Knowledge Fight - #470: ShadowGate

Episode Date: August 17, 2020

Today, Dan and Jordan take a look at the new documentary created by Infowars reporter Millie Weaver, which was released shortly after her arrest on Friday. In this installment, the gents try to decide whether this is in fact the whistleblowing event of the century, or a shoddy disaster that proves nothing.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I sit around drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex. Joe. Oh, indeed we are. Dan Jordan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today? Well, Jordan today. Actually, my bright spot comes in the form of a riddle. No, just not 30 white horses on a red hill. No, it comes in the form of something segment that we had in the past of my old apartment, but sort of fallen by the wayside is a plant watching. Yes. I'm changing the name to plant watching. Well, now that they're moving in real time, yes, you do need to pay attention

to it. Absolutely. I have not given an update on plants in a while. I've planted all sorts of things in my apartment, a new apartment. I've got a number of peppers and I've failed on quinoa really badly. Trying trying ground to on quinoa right now. Seeds germinating. Yeah, he's going well. He's gone great, but the bright spot Jordan is my cucumbers that I'm growing have begun to flower and it's one of the most exciting things. I know it. I I can't I can't say enough like how wild it was to come in here and look and see like there's a yellow burst of flower coming out of this thing that I made from a seed. Yeah, very exciting. I'm really pumped to to see the the fruits. Yeah, it's a little trippy

in a way. Yeah, yeah. Here we are in the middle of the apartment in Chicago. I just got a little pot of dirt that I put a seed in. Now it's got a weird yellow flower growing off it. Yeah, it's nuts. Yeah, for two dudes who are probably never going to have children. No, this is about as close as we're going to get. I'm going to have great. I told you I'm going to have to pollinate them. Yeah, so like it's going to essentially be me. You're going to fuck a flower cucumber husbandry something or other. Yeah, it's it's it's wild. I spent a long time the other night watching videos about cucumber. Yeah, I'm like, OK, all right, can't fuck this up now. I've got one on the hook. And so I think I have a pretty good

head on my shoulders about what needs to be done to make sure I get some cucumbers out of that, make some pickles. Great. Everything's going to be fantastic. My green thumb is back after the utter failure that we've not fully talked about. We don't need to walk. We don't need to worry about like Keenwall crop. Look, you all died. What did you expect? 100 percent? You're at like 80 percent of everything that you've planted has worked. Some of the stuff that's working isn't working as well as I'd like. Like there's a couple of flowers that I've planted that are not going great. But a lot of it has to do with things having differential sun needs. So I'm trying to accommodate that now with some actual lights as opposed

to relying mostly on sunlight. You're still an amateur grower. True. It's not like you've been doing this for 20 years. No, but I'm seeing some positive signs and I'm really excited about it. So look forward to me talking a bunch more about that. I will. How about you, Jordan? My bright spot is my answer. My aunt's memorial was yesterday, right? And I woke up and had like a really terrible feeling in my gut. Well, because you had a memorial to go to because I couldn't remember what time the memorial was. Oh, no. And I realized that I had transposed the numbers with a different appointment that I had. So it was I thought it's not at 3 a.m. It's at noon, not 11. So that's not too bad. No, it's not too bad, but that's better than

the reverse. It was a three and a half hour drive to get there. It's better than thinking it was later than it actually is. You know what I mean? Right, right, right, right. Because then you show up late and miss it. It was later than it actually was. Oh, I think you said it wrong. Did I say I thought it was at 12 and it was at 11. Maybe I woke up late. Maybe I heard you see how easy it is to transpose times. Yeah, yeah. It's very difficult. You have just made a case in point of that. And I think you also accidentally highlighted a thing that is true for both of us and that is we are sleepy. Not good. We are recording this for for different reasons. I'm very little sleep. You because of your aunt's memorial

and me because of what we're going to talk about. Yeah. So yeah, so I wound up getting there a half hour late. My dad managed to get them to push it back so it could be there for the whole thing. So it was like a comedy show. Yeah, because I would never forget a whole got a hold. Not a chance. So that was that was really, you know, you know, it's a bright spot to get to my it's memorial, but sure. You know, it's it's it's a bright spot. Yeah. What are you going to do? Hey, I mean like better sweet. I don't even know if that needs to be better. I mean, well, I mean, I mean, it is a memorial, but you being late. I don't think needs to be a better part of that is not bad. Well, it all worked

out. I know that I speak for the audience. When I say our hearts are with you in the trying time that you've been through in the last couple weeks as rough and I hope that as soon as we get done with this, you are able to take a nap. I would love to go to bed. I would love to go to bed. It's in your Twitter handle. Yeah, that's it. Oh, shit. That's where it came from. That's why you're sleepy is why Jordan today. We had an interesting episode. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I don't know how to put this. It's not an episode of Alex Jones's show, but okay, we will get to the specifics on that here in a second. But before we do, we take a little moment to say thank you to some folks who have made this possible

and a really, you know, everyone who sport the show and I should say people who have supported the show and have had to, you know, erase their donations and people who have sent me messages who say, you know, I want to, but I can't. Of course, I consider all of you in the same group and I consider this group of wonks. So we're going to give a shout out to a microcosm of that that allowed me to power through to get this episode done today where under other circumstances, I might have thrown my headphones across the room and said fuck this bullshit is unsustainable. This is a this is a spirit bomb situation. Sure. The love of all came to you. It's as power. I think in my sleep deprived state,

that is what I would like to express. Yeah, I like it. So first, Mark S. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Mark. Thank you, Mark. Next, Elliot S. Probably not related. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Like you Elliot. Thank you. Next, Antique Christ. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Antique Christ. I think that means more than 20 years old. All right. 25 depends on here. We're talking about music. I'm talking about an armoire oldies. Next, Sean F. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Sean. Next, Timothy fake fake fake. Thank you so much. You're now a policy

wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you, Tim. Next, fast blitz. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And Jackie. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thanks, Jackie. It's not Jackie though. Unfortunately, she is awesome. And then finally, I'd like to give a shout out to a couple of people who donated on an elevated level. We appreciate that very much. So Mike C. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat and Rebecca E. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, Mike. That's fantastic. Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt buggy on this Watson. All right. Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that

money off that heroin. Why are you pimp so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so much, Mike. And thank you so much, Rebecca. Yes. Thank you very much to the both of you. If you're out there thinking, Hey, I enjoy the show. I'd like to support these gents. Dude, you can do that by going to our website and eligibility.com. Clicking the button says support the show. Or you could take that generosity, put it on a pillow and take a nap over at a local charity in your area. That one, I feel like is a bit of a cop out. Well, to be fair, it's about the energy either of us has left for extraneous issues right now. So before we get to the actual episode, Jordan, we had to take a little look inside the old

mail bag. Yeah. So I mentioned in the last episode that we got a bit of a soda machine and there was not a note or a name along with it. And I found out once again, great audience, a lot of people not taking credit falsely for gift. I do appreciate that, but I got a message from Bex or it could be Bix. I'm not entirely sure B-E-X. I've known somebody who spelled their name that way. Yeah, that it was pronounced like an I. Yeah, I think it might be a British thing. I'm not entirely sure. But either way, Bex, Bix are just an amazing care package came right after with all sorts of like there was some black current syrup. Sure. And some Calibri drinks. Calibri drinks. They're like some sort of a

fizzy thing. And then on the top of each of them, there's like a syrup that you can add. I think it might be to taste and it changes the flavor of the. Okay. I don't know what it is. It's crazy. Is it good? I don't know. I haven't tried it yet. I haven't had time to. All right. And it's like one of those yogurt things that you pour nuts into, but it's a drink and it's syrup. I think so. Yes. I haven't studied it. Okay. There were some other items, an elderflower lemonade conspiracy theory board game. Yes. Just just an amazing care package. A lot of really cool thoughtful things. Totally. And then for you, for me, I got the best gift. I saw that. I saw that and I opened the package. I thought Jordan might cry. It's very close. Yeah, it's very close right

now. Yeah. Beck sent me specifically an artwork book from Steven Universe with all the original artwork and drawings and character prototypes and and cool interviews with everybody. It's an incredible gift. Yeah, from back. It's so cool. It's incredible. Just imagining you curling up next to the non-existent fireplace in your apartment. I'm just going to later on to actually there is a fireplace in my apartment. It doesn't work though, right? No. I mean it might work. Yeah, it's never going to work. Sure. Sure. I feel like I feel like that's the way it is for any fireplaces. Any of us run across like on my work. I'll never know. No. No. And then one of the things Zip that's inside this bag is I got a nice selection of bravado hot sauces. Okay, from Jacob.

Uh-huh. Very wall. What is he doing? Okay. We said some disparaging things about him recently. I don't think he would send me hot sauce. I doubt it. He might, but it would be a prank. He'd be trolling me with hot sauce. A little butterfly would come out. So the bravado is a nice sauce company. One of them was a Carolina Reaper Black Garlic situation. That's interesting. Yeah. There is a ghost chili blueberry, I believe. It's pretty good. That's kind of when the mood strikes, he kind of saw ghost chili blueberry. Yeah, that's a complex flavor. The balance is pretty nice though with the sweet of the berry and the heat. And then the third one is much more challenging. It's a very umami kind of like a miso.

I don't know what the pepper is, but it's pretty hot and also very, very umami. Oh, okay. It's good. Yeah. But again, those two are like particular moves. Yeah. They're great, but you need to have it on the right thing. Yeah. Whereas the Carolina Reaper Black Garlic is not just real good across the board. Thank you so much, Jake. Try that. Yeah. Now that you're a heat guy. Yeah. Although people didn't even people don't even know about that. We talked about how it happened. We just didn't get to hear it happen. Well, so Jordan now. Yes, sir. The episode. How are we doing? Well, you're gonna make it through. Probably not. The big news over this weekend was that Millie Weaver, a.k.a. Rainbow Snatch was arrested at her home in Ohio. She got snatched if you will by a rainbow

by a rainbow. That was a policeman. Yes, along with her husband, Gavin Wintz. The self shot video of her rest started making the rounds on Friday and immediately people started to have some reasonable skeptical responses and immediately I took that as the bat signal. Yeah. Yeah. You got to do that. I you know something like this happens. I'm like, well, okay, I better get a solid footing on what's going on. Oh, God, it's the worst. She was arrested by commissioner Gordon. It's the worst kind of thing for me because it's like, well, it's sort of a double edge sword. It's the best and the worst in terms of like, okay, I'm fucking bored of what Alex has been doing. At least this is nice. There's a curveball on the other hand. It's fucking Millie

Weaver and it's nonsensical. And so it's like, I don't know. Anyway, for one thing, this is Millie who works at info wars. So it's best not to take anything that she does at face value. You know, there's a lot of skepticism, like I said, floating around. Yeah, there is a verification that's required for claims that are being made by people like her. So when I saw the video of her rest, I delayed making any judgments. The tape itself is full of things you could point to in order to build a case that the whole thing seems staged. For one, there's only appears to be one officer there to arrest her, which seems suspicious. Additionally, the officer allows Millie to continue recording or streaming as he conducts the arrest, which at no point involves handcuffs.

Now that's a regular thing that they do, right? The officer allows Millie to go back in the house unaccompanied to get some shoes, which seems like something a cop taking a person into custody wouldn't do. Seeing as it's possible that the suspect could have a weapon in the house, they could take people in the house hostage or they could flee out the back of the house. It's tactically a weird thing to see on the tape and it naturally causes a bit of doubt to creep into viewers minds. A couple of important things to keep in mind, though, are that Millie and her husband are white and this is Diamond, Ohio, which is an unincorporated community in northeastern Ohio. There's a population there of 2700.

There's a possibility that the policing there is closer to Andy Griffith than current day normal cities. So some of the discrepancies in the actual video didn't really actually raise that many red flags for me as they might have to some. It seems like a lot of it seems weird and it is weird, but it's probably not proof of anything being staged or fake. Plus the arrest yet. Plus the the rest itself is pretty boring. And if it were faked, you'd think they'd be able to amp up the drama a little bit. That would be fun. Maybe get her tackled. Oh, the thing that I found the most suspicious about this and now since then there is mainly we well certainly and there's been confirmation that she actually was arrested. We don't know a whole lot of the

details because we're recording this on Sunday and apparently at the last I heard she's supposed to go before a judge on Monday. So we'll know more at that point. But for now it's a little bit of a question mark. But the thing that I found the most suspicious was that on the day of her arrest, August 14, through an associates YouTube channel, she released her expose a documentary called Shadowgate. Millie purports this to be the most dangerous biggest whistleblowing event of all time. And it seems almost too perfect that she would get arrested and then they would release the documentary. It's so perfect in its optics and serves as a kind of conspiracy media blitz that money could never buy. It gives the film the

appearance of authenticity and creates a whirlwind of buzz totally looking at this rationally. There are a couple of general possibilities that seem to be in front of us. The first is that the globalists or whoever had Millie arrested because they were worried about the documentary that she was making. This seems dumb from their standpoint because she's been talking about this documentary for a while and any globalist worth their salt would know that arresting a person makes an expose a documentary. It only gives them more legitimacy and you know the gullible audience as they pray on will eat that up. Yeah. I reject this as an explanation unless all the evidence is provided that would support this conclusion. Yeah. Considering that we do have a recent day example of what

would happen in Edward Snowden. If the globalists wanted to do Millie like they do Edward Snowden for releasing all this information, we would be in a very different situation. Certainly. I think I believe that info wars is actually a shit on a number of whistleblower types who have gotten a lot harsher. I don't know. I don't know. Yeah. The second possibility is that Millie was arrested because of this documentary, but it's because something she did in the course of the creation of it that was illegal. There could be an issue like she stole documents or something and that could be the case. Although I see no evidence that that's the case. When more information is available, we can reassess this as a possibility. The third possibility is this arrest has nothing

to do with the documentary, but it's being used to promote the film all the same. I have no reason definitively to believe that this is the case, but it seems like the most likely explanation. And here are the reasons that I feel that way. Okay. One, the documentary was done fully edited with voiceover and credits completed prior to the arrest. It was waiting to be released, which could have been done at any time. Two, Millie does not seem all that surprised in the arrest when the officer is there. She's not happy about the situation, but the way she behaves in the video does not match who we've been led to believe that she is. She's Rainbow Snatch. She's the reporter who would go confront Antifa face to face. It doesn't seem like she would also be

the person to passively accept being subject to what she thinks is an unlawful arrest for reporting on the powerful elite. If anything in her documentary is to believe, then she has to know that the second she gets in that car, she's going to prison for a long time because this is a setup. Yeah, we'll get to why she would have to know that towards the end of this. Overall, though, her affect and behavior does not strike me as the way an info wars reporter would respond to an unexpected arrest. They believe to be about their reporting kind of seems like if it were if it were me kind of seems like going through the motions. If I were going to stage the arrest as as an info as an info wars reporter, I think what I would go for is a as an indignant

kind of resignment, you know, like officer cuff me and you put out both your fists right next to each other and you like take me to jail. No passive. I think that I think the way you would go is like passive noncompliance. Okay, like make them drag you to yeah or something like that. That's not bad. That would be the the sort of adult myself to the door right of your car on the inside. Yeah, exactly. God damn it. I loomered myself. She also did have a loomer shirt while she was getting arrested idiot. No, I don't think that there's any chance that it was staged as a whole sure or even largely. I just think that there's a decent chance that she knew that there was a warrant out for her arrest or something or she got a phone call

any. Any of these things are possible, but I don't have any reason to know that like I don't have any evidence of that. I'm just saying it's weird. The documentary was completely ready to go. It got posted online almost immediately afterwards. Yeah, she doesn't seem surprised. There's someone else there to take care of her kid. Yeah, I don't know. It's just like okay. This I mean if it's like everything just happened organically and she was surprised with this it worked out about as perfectly as it could. It does. It does seem like that that's a really good time to release the documentary. And then the third thing here. The third element that I have is that on Saturday the 15th heavy reported on the arrest and confirmed with representatives

from the Portage County Jail that Millie and Gavin were in custody and that they were being held on felony charges of robbery tampering with evidence obstructing justice and domestic violence based on these four charges being what they were arrested for and the fact that in order for a warrant to be issued it was approved by a grand jury. I have a strong suspicion that this arrest was about something entirely different from the documentary. It's nothing to do with it. I don't believe. Yeah. The domestic violence charge in there is particularly interesting because it makes no sense that this narrative you know that it's something about the documentary. We need more information on this to reach an informed decision but as it stands now knowing what I know about

Millie's character and the fact that she works her fucking info wars she doesn't get the benefit of the doubt that she's an intrepid reporter getting arrested for standing up to the man. I'm going to go with the big no on that one. So basically my feeling on this is follows. It looks like the arrest itself was real but I so I see no reason to conclude that it was related to the documentary. However, it is super super clear that there is an attempt being made to use the arrest as a promotional tool to hype this documentary. Totally. The messaging is very ubiquitous that this arrest was retribution for making this expose a documentary. So that leaves me with the question is this documentary actually dangerous at all and would anybody arrest someone

for making it knowing that it would only validate everything the filmmaker was saying. Oh we're going to talk about the documentary aren't we. We know that Alex constantly says that the only reason he's not been arrested yet is because the globalists know that if they did it would only prove him right. That can't be a standard that only applies to Alex himself right. I mean obviously the police would know that arresting really would prove her right which would make Alex talk about it as though he were himself arrested. Undoubtedly exactly. I decided to watch this Shadowgate film for myself to see what was up and it was easy enough to find on YouTube. Very easy. Yeah and that actually brings up another serious problem. How can she fight? How is it on YouTube exactly

banned from YouTube? Well I mean it was another account but that you do your response does highlight another problem. In the past few months in particular Alex has been embarking on a crusade insisting that everything that's speaking the truth gets banned from YouTube. All the doctors who are telling the truth about COVID-19 have their videos removed. People like David Ike who say that there is no virus of their videos removed. Alex has invested a lot of his energy into promoting the idea that censorship is so out of control and in the process what he's done is he's actually accidentally made the inverse argument. If it's true that there's an out of control censorship campaign going on at YouTube against anything that's true you've inadvertently said that

anything that doesn't get removed is apparently not dangerous or not true. Yeah this is a problem because Millie's video is still up on YouTube as is the channel that posted it which is run by one of the two main sources that she used to make the film. If the globalists went so far as to arrest Millie for this documentary doesn't it stand to reason that they would be able to block it from being posted? No I can't do it. Isn't it entirely against their interest to attempt to silence Millie by arresting her and then doing literally nothing to silence the actual thing they were trying to stop from being reported? That does seem a little odd. It's a bit convoluted which is the problem with treating negative consequences as an indication of virtue. Sometimes you don't get the negative

response you're hoping or expecting to get and that accidentally kind of looks like an indication of a lack of virtue when you've normalized the pattern of thinking where consequences equals being right. Yeah so I watched this stupid documentary and let me say right off the bat that it is very stupid and no one would arrest anyone for making it. I'm not sure I mentioned this Jordan but it's exceedingly stupid. Yeah I believe you. It doesn't prove anything. I was not worried about that. There are two talking heads in this film and neither of them produce any solid evidence of anything. Every single salacious thing that's in the film is just them saying that they know something then not proving it then that's accepted as solid truth. Is one of those guys

guy with telescope from Kerry Cassidy's? This guy might have a telescope. He's not the same guy. He's not the same guy. I can tell you for sure that he does have a motorcycle. So this isn't good work. It becomes even worse work when you start to ask yourself who are these people or whether or not they should be viewed as experts. Now Jordan I'm sorry about this but we're about to go over Millie Weaver's new documentary shadow game and we're going to discuss some of the fundamental problems of it and in the process we're going to get into a bit of why. I don't believe that anyone would arrest anyone for making such an impressively stupid documentary. All right. This thing sucks. It's really bad and like I said

without the spiritual energy that comes to me from our wonderful supporters at about three o'clock in the morning last night I probably would have been like I hate everything. I would have thrown my cucumbers out the window and just like now nothing beautiful can live this. Okay. Maybe Shadowgate is like the ring you know where after a week you're going to jump off your balcony. I don't think so. Okay. I think I went through the the the the swamp sure ironically because there's a lot of swamp. Of course there's swamp. I was trying to think of you know the only thing I think of was like from the phantom toll booth. I went through the doldrums. Oh okay or whatever and I kept moving and that's what allowed me to get through it. I had some dark times in the last

48 hours of trying to get this to be like an episode because there's just like you listen to like 30 seconds of this this stuff and it's like there's so many things to look into it. None of this is real. Yeah half an hour into the documentary and looking into things you get burnt out. Yeah just be like of course. I know you're lying. I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say that's that's the doldrums that I had to keep my legs moving or else I would have fallen into the pit. Right. You don't need to prove that she's full of shit but in order for this to work you have to prove she's full of shit. Yeah. That's very frustrating and I'll be honest. I think that there are at least a couple of points where I punted not because I couldn't have gotten into

the things that were being said but because like this is an hour and twenty two minute documentary get the fuck and quite frankly it could have been just about everything I could have said prove it or something. Yeah. Yeah. That would get very annoying. Give me a reason that you think these things. Yeah. And at a certain point we have to do a show too. Right. So it's like that wouldn't serve anyone's interests. Try to find the things that lay out the argument that's being made in the film and then glaring points of things she says. Oh no. So here we go. We're going to start off where Billy Weaver start and again I told you Jordan I'm sorry you're going to have a really tough time with this. OK. Please try not to scream about everything because I know it would almost

all be justified. Anyway here's the beginning. What if I were to tell you that a small group of government contractors were hired by government officials to frame the Trump campaign. Set him up for the Russia collusion investigation provided witnesses for the impeachment hearings and provided administrative support services to the Department of Justice during the Mueller investigation. And what if it just so happened that this same group of contractors are behind the fake news in mainstream media influence operations on social media and the civil unrest nationwide pushing the defund the police movement. The Obamagate scandal only stretches the surface. So in this introduction Milly lays out the things that she intends to demonstrate in this film.

Either that or she's actually just curious what you'd say if she told you those things. I would be. I think I would say something along the lines of like. Sure. And then leave. Hey I got to go. Have you considered. I'm smoke bomb. So keep track of these things because they're the rubric by which we are forced to judge this film because it's what she's set out. One a small group of government contractors were hired by people in the government to frame the Trump campaign. OK. Two the Russian investigation was a setup carried out by these same contractors. Three these same contractors provided witnesses for the impeachment hearings. Four these same contractors provided administrative service for the Department of Justice during

the Mueller investigation. They made they were working the phone bank you know making calls on Hillary's behalf. That's kind of administrative. Sure. Yeah. These say five these same contractors are creating fake news and mainstream media and six the current civil unrest on the defund the police movement are the products of the social media influence campaigns carried out by these same contractors. These are the most effective contractors amazing history of the United States. They should get a full time job. No totally. Absolutely. You don't want to have on contract. Give them benefits at least. This is a whole lot for a milli to try and prove in an hour and 20 minutes and I wish Rambo snatched the best with that though because I'm from the future. I already

know that she doesn't prove jet. Damn it. Yeah. That's unfortunate spoilers. I think a lot of the stuff that she said to could fall under the normal category of investigation. You know like oh they hired investigators to investigate him or to set him or as we're going to learn here maybe there are like IT infrastructure companies that have some overlap. Sure. Dun dun. Sure. So anyway. Millie gets into this year and she's talking. She's talking shadow gate my man. We're just never going to get rid of gate. That's just going to happen forever. It's going to be the thing. Yeah. I wish we could. It's such a bummer be a political litmus test. That should be a political political seriously call something gate. You need to take a class or something a

class about getting rid of gate. We'll call ourselves. We'll call ourselves the no gate party. The no bill gates isn't allowed and also nobody can use Watergate based the no gates foundation and then we'll get some funding from right wing billionaires like it. I misunderstand what we're all about. No idea what we're doing. So anyway it's shadow gate my friend. Sure bad news bad news shadow. Okay. Both parties are equally guilty of covering up what should turn out to be an even bigger scandal. Shadow gate the tactical and operational role the shadow government played behind the scenes carrying out the coup against President Trump. We're going to be looking behind the puppets at who the real me puppet you master street. The material presented in this documentary

should concern people of all political affiliations. This is about real players people whose names never come up but should career politicians are definitely part of the Beltway swamp even aspects of the deep state but they are not the shadow government. The shadow government consists of government contractors defense intelligence security and so on. Our government mostly consists of front facing desk jockeys that are compartmentalized in cubicles grateful to work for the fact that most of the real work is outsourced to contractors a.k.a. the military industrial complex. That way what the public sees through FOIA requests investigations congressional hearings or otherwise is as clean as a whistle all the work is contractors in clandestine networks.

This is such a bunch of nonsense. Why would you put in a FOIA request if it wasn't shady shit. Well look right off the bat. This is such bullshit but it's an important way for Millie to start off the film because it essentially provides cover for why she can't prove any of the things she's about to say it's impossible to prove that any of this ever happens or did happen because it was a secret group of contractors who did that to the government keep their hands clean. This is critical for Millie because it's dumb but it sounds just sensible enough for anyone who's passively watching this documentary to accept and it'll be enough to quiet that part of their brain that's asking hey why isn't there any proof should be able to prove this. I mean if you here's what I would say

if you were a journalist yeah you would put in a FOIA request anyway. Oh I did search the FOIA archive yeah never once has anyone named Millie Weaver or Millicent Weaver which is her full name. No one by those names have filed a FOIA request. There are no FOIA requests on file where the organization name is info or sure. So I don't know maybe they're not familiar with the system. I like a preemptive justification for not doing your job. I couldn't even if I wanted to so why would I. Right. If you aren't a gullible idiot and you even take two minutes to look into how Freedom of Information Act works you'll learn the contractors are subject to FOIA requests just like regular government employees. A contractor sounds like a vague scary thing but in reality

all it is is a company or individual who does work for a government entity on a contract basis. If you're a construction company and the government needs a building erected you can bid for a contract and if you're selected congratulations you're now a government contractor. Did they bid to do they bid to frame Trump. Yep. The lowest bid there is a there is a blind. Well I mean I think it was a single bid situation but we'll get to all this later. FOIA requests can be made about recipients of government contracts as well as government grants but there are some exceptions to the information that can be released. These are exceptions that include and involve protecting individual privacy information that would be illegal to release

and very often trade secrets because these are companies that are doing contract at work. You know there's there's those business things. Yeah. Also there's an entire exemption related to government withholding any information about quote geographical information on wells which I think is probably good. Yeah. If you go to FOIA online dot gov you'll be able to find all sorts of information about various government contractors often even digital copies of contracts and agreements. Sorting through all that stuff is really time intensive and hard though so it's easier for Millie to just make up that contractors aren't covered by FOIA rules and use that as a bullshit excuse for why she can't substantiate any of the nonsense she's going to say. That's

frustrating. Also you might notice the Millie is phrasing things in ways that don't actually mean anything. Yeah. How does she expect to quantify that most of the work in government is done by contractors. It's about 60 percent. That's something that's explicitly unfalsifiable because it's something that can't be measured. Expect more of that. Expect a ton of stuff that's just like. Yeah. I mean when you get caught with numbers then you get into trouble. True. I guess so just give a vague like most. Yeah. Some. Also there's a couple of points in like the course of this documentary that I smelled real distrust in her own expert. You could tell there's almost like I don't know if I want to double down on what you're saying even though I'm going to put you

in my documentary. Very weird. I don't. I don't know. Anyway there's a couple of whistleblowers two experts sure that are the backbone of this whole thing. Okay. Man oh man both of them real weird. Dynamite. Real weird. Dynamite. Two whistleblowers Tori and Patrick Berge who both worked extensively within the shadow government as contractors have come forward with revelations that may be part of the biggest whistleblowing event to date. It's not. You might think that what she's saying is Tori and Patrick Berge like they're a married couple. Yeah that's what it sounds like. They're not. Patrick Berge is one guy and Tori is another person alias but it's very easy to find out who she is. I don't know why they're using some sort of a weird like single that she has a

fucking radio show online. She has like a she has an interview show where she like interviewed Roger Stone. It's not like she's some kind of a she's not. She's not in no light with a vocal modifier. No she's on camera in like in this documentary. It's very dope. All right. Anyway I had I waited a while. I didn't want to get into both of them immediately. Right. So Patrick is the first to start discussing his his situation credentials as well. Sure. Yeah. So we're going to get into him first and then we'll meet. We'll meet Tori a little bit later. So here's a here's Patrick talking about his involvement in the shadow net and how he implies in this clip that the the old coronavirus and COVID-19. It's all an internet simulated activity. Sure. You understand enough

about someone and you can hack their shadow. Right. You can use you can use their fears. You can use their anxieties sound anything like pandemics that you recognize here. Oh yeah. Definitely. So you can use those things to help reflexively control or influence a target an individual whoever it is right or a group of people or an entire election entire country. So this is the main talking head of the documentary you might say. I mean it's debatable. It's kind of like a co-headliner situation as a fellow by the name of Patrick Birdie. He's randomly and baselessly suggesting that COVID-19 is a mass IOP that I guess is being run all over the world. It includes also killing a lot of people. He never defends this implication that he's making because he doesn't

have to milly just allows him to say the pandemic isn't real with no follow up or push back at all because she is great. I'm a big fan of interviews where it's just like does that sound familiar. Moving on. Hey pandemics fake. Is this your car? Is this it? For years now Birdie has been getting out there and trying to tell people about how in his time as a military or government contractor he worked with the Department of Defense to create a form of social media psychological warfare called IIA or internet. I'm sorry interactive internet activities. This was apparently in 2008 and for some context Facebook didn't introduce the like button until February 2009. So that was when social media was at that stage right in 2017. Birdie released a

memoir quote victim of the swamp how the deep state destroyed the 40 year old private. He's a victim. I got it. I got it. The title is a reference to how Birdie had enlisted in the armed service at age 39 back in 2005. Good for him. I guess an article in the Tampa Bay Times covers his story but it's not so much a human interest. Isn't this interesting type of story as you might think the headline is quote bound for boot camp. He's booted from his job. Now that's a headline right there. Apparently Birdie had been employed as a computer network administrator for the Florida Heart and Vascular Associates Cardiology Clinic. Birdie claims that he was fired for quote putting country before company but the story doesn't seem so cut

and dry. His boss Dr. Klein themself an Air Force veteran quote said Birdie stopped showing up for work shortly after he told Klein on October 3rd of his plan to join the military. He declined to comment further on Birdie's employment status or history fair as part of the 1994 uniformed services employment and Reemployment Rights Act. You cannot discriminate against an employee for enlisting and you're required to rehire returning enlisted persons after their active duty is over so that would have been a problem. However according to this Times article quote in an October 18th letter Klein sent to Birdie the doctor allowed him for his desire to serve his country and he and said he intended to comply with federal labor laws but Klein also said that Birdie had been

quote repeatedly insubordinate that he had rung up a $340 charge and unauthorized charges on the company's phone and was unresponsive to reports of computer problems at the clinic. Do you mean his job? That's what it sounds like. Okay. It kind of seems like there is some documentation here that maybe his boss an Air Force veteran wasn't retaliating against Birdie for enlisting as much as he was dealing with a shitty employee who coincidentally was also deciding to enlist Air Force and Army have had a rivalry forever. This dude is sabotaging army because he's worried that this 39 year old private is going to become the star quarterback. He's got a cannon for an arm. Absolutely. So this was a strange decision on Birdie's part.

This was 2005 which was not the beginning of the Iraq war. You can kind of understand people getting swept up in the post 9 11 militaristic patriotism that was everywhere and maybe enlisting at that point like at the beginning of 2002. I guess even in 2003 when the Iraq invasion was beginning the thought process of feeling like you had a duty to country to do your part kind of makes some sense. I disagree with sure but you can understand where someone's coming from and the massive propaganda campaign around it. You know. Yeah. This was 2005. Yeah. How's he doing late 2005 no less Saddam Hussein was captured on December 13th 2003 and the public support for the war had decreased quite a bit by late 2005. So the idea that someone felt so compelled to

enlist as a 39 year old civilian with a stable job a wife and two young daughters just doesn't make sense to me based on an appeal to patriotism. It's pretty difficult to rationalize what objective for the country is being served by the continuation of that war. But I guess if that's the sort of person that you want to present himself as country over everything and also I really didn't like my wife and kids. So that's I mean country first hating my wife and kids. You didn't like that cardiology clinic that much. So I wanted to understand this stuff as best as I could. So I watched another interview that Berge did on a show called crowdsource the truth. Some of the other folks who are treated like serious people on that show include Laura Loomer Larry Nichols

and another of Alex's favorite fake whistleblowers Dennis Montgomery. That show is very bad and very boring. That sounds great. I listened to the interview with Berge though and he did actually say that nine eleven inspired his enlistment which is wild considering the time in between. The host of that show Jason Goodman tries to play up Berge's enlistment and he says this which actually made me laugh quite a bit. So it's an interesting circumstance Patrick because obviously at 40 you've got a lot more life experience. You've got a much more mature brain and thought process. And as you're saying your physical training your physical capabilities at 40 might not match that of an 18 or 20 year old getting enlisted. But you've got much more

sophisticated thought process and experience which is valuable to the army. But at the same time as someone gets in there at the age of 18 there's a psychological indoctrination that goes on in the military that's necessary to cause someone to take orders and have that be there sort of mental instinct rather than thinking for themselves is this right is this something that should be done. Would you say that's fair to say. Well my ex-wives would probably disagree with you on some of that. But yeah that's a safe. That's a safe. That's a good. I hear you on that. Sure. Ah yes such a free thinker. I can't. Such a mature mind who decided to join the military at the age of 40 when they had a job and multiple children to care for and the country

was engaged in an illegal war that no one really had any excuse to think wasn't based on lies by 2005. Yeah. What a pillar of rationality and good judgment. I want to bring back water balloons that you fill with urine for this guy. I don't know if those ever went away. I think we just grew up. I think kids might still so also that joke there at the end hit my ears weird. Birdie saying that some of his ex-wives wouldn't say that he has a sophisticated thought process and what a great joke that is. See it's funny because his ex-wives seem right. Yes I also heard that right ex-wives. Yeah that's kind of what I was thinking. Generally I have very little interest in the people we talk about private life but I can't not tell you this. Okay on the

Amazon page for his book in the about the author section. Get the fuck out. This is how his bio ends quote he was divorced in 2010 following several years of deployments overseas and his personal struggle with combat related PTSD. He acknowledges things in his life got a little crazy after the divorce from his first wife was married briefly to his Russian wife Zana. Okay. Shortly after that and remains separated from his third wife from Thailand. Now going on two years. Okay. He now has a dog exclamation point. All right. That's a better joke than the whole my how about my ex-wives. This will ultimately end up raising a few questions for me about Berge's timeline

and also makes me really sad. I do wonder how things quote got a little crazy though and how that squares with his alleged simultaneous employment in top secret projects. But who knows it's up in the air. Interestingly just before deciding to enlist Patrick Berge had tried to enter the world of politics. In the 2004 election he ran for the office of Pasco County Supervisor of Elections in Florida. An article about his campaign from the Tampa Bay Times comes off very strange. Berge seemed mad that his opponent the sitting election supervisor Kurt Browning was getting free press by doing his job and appearing at public meetings about the upcoming elections that air on C-SPAN. Sure. Berge saw Browning's appearances to discuss elections

as a form of campaigning and was trying to demand equal time on those platforms for his campaign. That's a swing. I like it. It's a weird angle. But it seems also downright quixotic when you consider that from the jump he was running a doomed campaign from this Times article quote one of Berge's first acts upon getting into the race was the political equivalent of shooting oneself in the foot. He decided to run without any party affiliation. Berge didn't want anyone even considering that the would-be election supervisor might favor one party over the other. He wanted to seize the moral high ground because he intended to slam Browning for his very public switch to the Republican Party in 2002. In the eyes of many political observers Berge's decision

was both commendable and politically suicidal. He effectively shut the door on any hope for organized support though he obviously had a political identity and now is almost universally pictured wearing bikers for Trump vests. Berge went out of his way to self-defeating extremes in order to appear hyper neutral because he felt that was a potent propaganda tool that he could use against his opponent. I assume he spent a lot of time and money building up a grass for its organization because he can't rely on the party machine. So in order to win he would need a really good campaign manager. From the article I read his campaign all the money for it came from loans from himself and a check from family members. Okay, how much? Three grand. That's not enough to win.

Nope. Berge's campaign did not catch on and was almost entirely based around trying to erode trust in things like the voting machines that the county used and the incumbent supervisor Kurt Browning. From this article which is overly fair to Berge it does not appear that he has any good reason to suggest that he would be a good person for the job of election supervisor. The campaign seems entirely about vague undefined distrust in the opposition. The election was held on November 2nd 2004 and Berge ended up with 17.25 percent of the vote which is honestly That's really good. That's really good. That's surprisingly good. Yeah, particularly for someone we talk about on this show. Yeah, that's great. Usually the folks we cover who run for office

don't even make it to voting. 0.03 percent is a good, that's you. Unfortunately, this wasn't the end of the election for Berge. On June 9th 2005 the Florida Elections Commission filed a default final order requiring Berge to pay an assessed fine from his campaign that he had neglected to pay. According to findings of fact in the order quote the respondents campaign treasurer's report was not filed with the filing officer on the designated due date. On April 18th 2005 he was sent to notice that he needed to pay $202.50 or appeal the decision within 20 days and he did neither. The commission gave him 30 days to pay his fine. A little while after this he decided to join the military but who knows if that's connected to any of this at all. I think it would

be very funny if you joined the military to avoid a $200 fine. Screw you, suckers. I mean he does clearly expend a lot of effort to not pay this fine. By December 1st 2006 I can find evidence that he had not paid this fine. Apparently by this point he and the commission had discussed the matter and agreed to a settlement where Berge agreed to pay a fine of $125 and pay his own attorney fees. You kind of get the sense from reading this that the commission had a position of like okay fine whatever whatever. I don't know if they want to expend that much time and effort on $200. Right. I'm just saying he might that it seems like the attorney's fees would be more than $200. He might have been pro bono or he might have been pro sec. Okay. Okay. Anytime I enter

one of these investigations I try my best to keep an open mind particularly about the people and subjects I don't know much about going in. So my tone might be a little bit much now but as I started this I was trying to be incredibly fair but this right here is the point where I started to get the sense that Berge was an asshole. Oh he's an asshole. This is about where I was like and granted I will say it's still pretty early in the documentary but I came in with the with the open mind. Sure. Sure. So he wrote this book which is all about how the deep state destroyed this noble 40 year old private. I'm not going to read this book mostly because it's not available in PDF form and there's no way I'm ordering a paperback. I'm sure it's a gripping tale about how the

deep state forced him to pay a fine for not filling his treasurer's report out but I'm going to pass. The hinge of what Patrick Berge alleges is going on in the world is the term interactive internet activities. This is a term that can definitely go a number of directions depending on how you interpret it. According to Berge and his documentary the way you're supposed to understand these words is that there are activities in the world which are prompted by things that the DOD interacts with on the internet. So like it's just like a thing. Okay. That is to say through meddling with the internet and social media the government is able to prompt civilians into engaging in the activities they desire them to engage in. So there's elaborate hyper specific data mining

that they do and then everything that happens in the world is due to their influence campaigns. They're interacting with internet activity. I mean we have Cambridge Analytica so we know that that is true. We'll get to them later. Yeah. The term interact interactive internet activities is one that is used in Department of Defense documents. One of them a member random for secretaries of military departments from June 8th 2007 is presented by Berge on his website as wave solidifying his claims. I trace down this memo and it's interesting to see the context it's used here. Quote this policy defines interactive internet activities as the use of a system accessible via the internet which allows for two way communications e.g. email blogs,

chat rooms and internet bulletin boards in a timely if not real time basis as opposed to a system in which information flows only one way. In essence the term interactive internet activities where activities which are activities which have a potential for interaction online as opposed to things like interviews on a cable news show where there's one way communication. So they're just describing communication between two people. They're describing a conversation right being taken online being done by people from the Department of Defense. Yes. Yes. Gotcha. That's one of the large things that this seems to be about like the rise of how people are communicating differently online you know and how many new media organizations are not quote established news

organizations. This memo recognizes that quote some individuals and websites not affiliated with established news organizations have become recognized news sources for large audiences giving them stature equivalent to an established news organization. Only public affairs organizations may engage with such designated individuals and websites. I don't see anything too strange about that so far. No that's that hey we've got our own PR people to respond to emails in real time. Done. The other thing that this seems to be about is recruitment quote military departments interactive Internet activities will be for the purpose of addressing manpower issues within or organizing training and equipping their departments. This makes sense that they would

lay out policies for best practices about using the new form of mass communication in terms of enlistment. None of this. You go online you play some video games on Twitch and people call you a war criminal. You know good Internet activities. Yeah. This was imaginable back in 2008 2007. So there's one section here that I thought was really strange and it's about intellectual property quote messages and materials protected by law such as graphics video and illustrations used in any Internet interactive Internet activity will comply with relevant intellectual property laws policies and guidance. So based on what Patrick is saying and will go on to say I'm supposed to believe that this IIA program involves an insidious plans like overthrow the

government and ferment riots and create a fake pandemic. They also specifically will not risk violating copyrights which seems a little bit weird and kind of hard to accept. There are laws above the law. There are things that are immutable. You can play around in the gray area but you fuck around with copyright and you're in trouble. You're in trouble. I've had my Internet shut off for torrenting. I read some commentaries on this memo including one published on army dot mill back in September 2009. Then they do point out that this view of public relations work under the DOD has the potential to blur the line between public relations and scyops. Beyond that it seems like the DOD might be in this sense taking on a responsibility that's traditionally been associated

with the State Department in terms of engaging in public diplomacy. There are these concerns but there are also pretty strong caveats that are important to keep in mind when we look at the claims in this film as we go along particularly about like this document is one of the only things that he has to go on. The first caveat is this is not applicable to the United States. The scope of the policy clearly says that it's for quote selected foreign entities. The second is that they specifically say that quote, internet active internet activities within the scope of this policy will be accurate and true in fact and intent. Your trust in that may vary but if you're pointing to this document is proof

of something you also need to accept that they specifically say in the document they cannot lie or mislead. There are other places where you can lie and mislead. This one happens to be one where you are not supposed to. There's also a section about like attribution. I have to attribute that you know at the beginning of an email or correspondence that you're a little representative of the DOD and there's one section that is about non attribution and there are some communications that are able to be non attributed but specifically this is only as authorized by the secretary of state or in a named operation in the war on terror. My feeling about that is well just and the war on terror. No, no, no, no, no, can't do it. I don't got to fight the war on terror

forever. I don't believe that those caveats are able to encompass what Patrick Berge is going to present or what he discusses. Kind of doubtful. It appears to me that this is a document that's about public affairs personnel within the DOD putting onto paper best practices about engaging in internet related activities that involve countering terrorist organization propaganda overseas. I'm not saying that it's a great thing. I'm not saying that I'm in favor of it. I am in favor of ending our wars but it's important to recognize how different this is from what is being presented. When they talk about IIA, one of the only things that they have to fall back on is this document and everything will become central to interactive internet activities. IIA. Yeah,

to be clear, I like none of the people that we are dealing with, including the DOD. No, like everybody, everybody in this documentary, I assume can probably go fuck themselves. You bet. Okay. So we get to Millie. She's talking about this technology. So here's the layout. IIA is this interactive internet activity and it's the method basically by which the man, the globalists, are tricking everybody into rioting and protesting for things that aren't important to straight white men. So that's that. Then you've got Patrick Berge. He was a contractor allegedly for a company called Dynology which was run by the son of James Jones, Obama's former, what was it, national security advisor, I believe? I can't remember who it was, homeland security.

Yeah, it was national security advisor. His son runs this company called Dynology and they have government contracts. And so at Dynology, Patrick Berge asserts that he had a hand in creating a platform called ShadowNet and then also one called iSpy, but it's PSY. Oh, that's very funny. Yeah. Is it funny? No, it's not. So he has created these things back in the past and now he has not worked there. He's not working there. He doesn't have this technology. There's no, they don't provide any proof that it's like a thing, but he suspects based on the things that he sees in the world. No, no, no. That's not good. Sound like anything familiar to you, Dan? He sees the unfolding of the George Floyd situation and he's like, huh, this looks like ShadowNet.

And so it's taken as if it's ShadowNet. Here's one thing that I will say because I always try and find some positive to say about these people. Shadowgate is a better title than ShadowNetgate. Yeah, yeah, I'll give you that. I'll give him that. Also, I was a little amused reading over some of Patrick Berge's writings and so I'll give him some credit for giving me a chuckle. But so we get to talking about this, this ShadowNet here in this next part. This technology was so successful, they couldn't resist the temptation to not use it commercially and have the power to affect outcomes of elections at home. The commercial and black market value of such a technology is incalculable. This is the Mobile Mega ShatterNet Mobile.

So they show him at his motorcycle. Is it like the Oscar Mayer Hot? I wish. It's a motorcycle with a sidecar that has much wires in it. I have no idea what he's doing. Okay, yeah, love it. So essentially what's being suggested by this documentary is that this guy, Patrick Berge, invented some sort of technology or program or algorithm or something which can take all sorts of micro targeted information about people and then make them do things. If the discussion here is about the creepy ability of social media advertisers to target people with messaging, sure, that's a worthwhile conversation. But it becomes an issue when it's all just this vague nonsense flying around. I wanted some more information than this documentary is providing,

so I checked out Berge's website titled Victim of the Swamp, very consistent in his branding. He had a post on there that was meant to lay out the relevant issues in his story, and apparently, according to him, here's our goes. He was working for a company called Dynology, which is apparently working on a social media psychological warfare weapon under a government contract. However, somehow when the contract lapped, Dynology retained the intellectual property rights to the tech they developed. So now they were going to start marketing the psych warfare weapon to the highest bidder with the name ShadowNet. So we're in a serious like mission impossible scenario where a private corporation certainly feels that is probably

not how it would work. I have some feelings of well the contract with our government is over, so let's sell it to the most the Shah of Iran from the eighties. I will say that it felt a lot like my eyes were rolling uncontrollably. It's pretty hard to find information about ShadowNet that doesn't come directly from Patrick Berge. So it's a bit of a shrug from me. He posted screenshots from Dynology's website or what's supposed to be Dynology's website. There's no link to this. So I just have to kind of take his word for it that it's a real screenshot. Sure. But even if I allow that the screenshot is far from damning. It appears that the service that Dynology was selling under the name ShadowNet was a service that allowed people in the Department of Defense

to safely use the Internet from secure computers. From the screenshot, quote, many DoD elements lack the proper tools to safely engage via the Internet as the NipperNet, the non-classified Internet protocol router network that typically blocks access to social networking sites, chat sites, and other sites deemed high risk from an information assurance perspective. Dynology's customized security solution, ShadowNet, protects organizational assets and resources while working online. Our solution leverages virtualization technology from leading providers like VMware and Citrix to safely separate internal corporate networks from the dangers of the Internet, providing a safe sandbox from which you can conduct your

Internet activity. All right. So it's just like Chinese firewall kind of idea. The platform seems to like it allows for potential breaches that could happen to be contained. Quote, if a desktop is compromised, potential damage will be isolated away from your internal assets and contained. It also allows them to obscure their real IP address, given that would probably be bad for the DoD network's IP address. You want to know where they are at all times? This is based on what Patrick Berge is presenting as proof of something nefarious. And all I see is a perfectly normal sounding network security system with a name that's like catnip to conspiracy theories. Yeah. We got to deal with people in bad names. We got to do Agenda 21. We got to deal

with these bad names, guys. Yeah. The other technology that Dynology sells that Berge brings up here is called iSpy PSY. This is a platform that allows clients to record and track their online interactions. It appears that this is related to recording things that an individual does. You know, like if I'm online, then it records all the interactions that I have and puts them into a searchable database. Okay. But from the information provided, it doesn't seem like it's the kind of thing where you could record this and extend it outside the interactions of your online self. You would essentially, based on what you're telling me and what he's telling me, he is saying that every computer in everywhere is infected with this thing, more or less,

creating a shadow net that is functionally useless internet. Yeah. So look, it's essentially what it looks like to me. And from everything I can tell, this is a platform where you can create perhaps a fake persona and you can interact with something online and then it will record your interactions for the sake of continuity. Sure. So if someone else takes over like some sort of. Oh no, this is happening to me. Like some sort of surveillance that's going on of let's say a dangerous group that has an internet presence. Sure. You're able to use shadow net to secure the DoD computers from any possible hat. Right. Right. And iSpy allows you to record all of the interactions. So in case I don't know, let's say

you get sick, someone else can take over and see what has been done in terms of in terms of communications, which I mean it's creepy. It's creepy technology, but at the same time, I don't see how it rises above the level of like something that makes sense from a law enforcement perspective. Yeah. That doesn't necessarily prove the evil shadow net claims that are being made. It kind of based on what you're describing is just an automatic version of screenshots. You know, like if you just took a screenshot of every interaction you had, put it in an email to somebody, that would be basically the same thing. But I don't know what it looks like or a functionally how it goes because all there is is like this screenshot of the description of it

from Dynology's alleged website. Sure. And that's the description that they have. It sounds like that's what it is. Okay. Because it does talk about the continuity of projects. Right. And that it makes total sense from that standpoint. But I don't know. Anyway, it's about what they're not saying. Dan, I think we can fall back on that pretty, pretty solidly. Yeah. Once again. So I think you might be starting to get a sense of why this is incredibly frustrating. Yeah, as a documentary for me. I'm telling you, you're in water balloons are the way to go. I'm coming around to your way of thinking. So here's Millie. She keeps going low to nonsense. One of the first indications that I think that you might not have much of a sense of what Edward

Snowden talked about, but seems to like to say things about. Sure. The NSA data system collects everything through what's called the upstream, where everything is stored for 72 hours, then dumped. However, and also salmon are there to win this stream of data. They could privatize it. Imagine what you could do with that. No, it alleges that she worked for John Brennan at the Analysis Corporation and Global Strategies Group. So Tori claims that she worked for John Brennan as a project of like mirroring data that they captured upstream or something. Sure. And just to be clear, the NSA doesn't bulk collect literally everything with their upstream monitoring, which is definitely what Millie is trying to suggest. That's a gross mischaracterization

of the definitely shady and unnerving behaviors of our intelligence community. I have serious questions about data collection and privacy issues. And obviously there are issues with trust in the intelligence community. But that does not mean you can just say whatever you want about this stuff. The NSA absolutely was not forthcoming about their data collection in the past. But that in and of itself does not mean that whatever unverified thing you decide to believe about what they do must be accurate. Yeah, you can't play that game. I don't trust them. I don't trust Facebook. I don't trust Google. I don't trust any of these motherfuckers, but you also, but I'm not going to be like, and that's how I know they're stealing everyone's data and calling it the

because you don't trust a thing or an entity doesn't mean you should trust everything that's said about them. Doesn't that seem odd? Yeah. Yeah. Upstream gathering of data is done by catching data as it goes past. You know, that sort of idea of like a bear and salmon. Right. Hence the name. Yeah. According to a 2011 review by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, quote, NSA acquires more than 250 million internet communications each year pursuant to Section 702. But the vast majority of these communications are obtained from internet service providers and are not at issue here. Indeed, NSA's upstream collection constitutes only approximately 9% of the total internet communications being acquired by NSA under 702. Millie wants to present the

image that what's being collected by this upstream project is actually literally everything. Every call you make, every text, every website you visit, it's all logged in the NSA database on the reality of what she's talking about is much smaller in scope. There are definitely legitimate issues surrounding the NSA and upstream surveillance. The people who are actually fighting this are the ACLU who sued the NSA over the issue, which you'd never know from listening to info wars where the ACLU is an evil Soros anti free speech pro tyranny group. So I assume she's going to talk to somebody from the ACLU, right? Nope. Talks to two people. She talks to two people. The whole documentary. That's a bad documentary and Tory. That's a bad situation. You're not wrong.

So the main privacy concern that comes up with upstream data collection of internet stuff relates to the possibility of roping in unrelated persons. This was because downstream collected data was specifically just communications that were either to or from a non US person who is under surveillance and they, you know, they'd get it from the internet service provider. Totally. Whereas upstream collections involve communications that were to from or about a specifically specified person. That last category is super hard to pull off ethically because you have a targeted email address, let's say, and then you collect a message where that address is in the body of the email. If you do that, you could have inadvertently

spied on a message from and to persons who aren't involved in that surveillance at all, which is bad. Yeah. As such, the NSA announced in April, 2017 that quote after considerable evaluation of the program and available technology, NSA has decided that its section 702 foreign intelligence surveillance activities will no longer include any upstream internet communications that are solely about a foreign intelligence target. Instead, this surveillance will now be limited to only those communications that are directly to or from an intelligence, a foreign intelligence target. Sure. Of course, because you don't need any evidence to prove that a group like the NSA is lying, this information means nothing to someone like Millie because you could

just be like, haha, no. Well, yeah, I mean, unfortunately, NSA, you earned that. You earned the fuck off real hard. I won't lie that I understand where the instinct comes to be oppositional defiant and knee jerk about it, but I don't accept it as a conclusion. No, I think it's absolutely an evil organization, but there is you need to do more. Yeah. So Millie would just be like, no. However, in the real world, upstream collections did not collect everything that happened online and the NSA stopped using it in ways that could inadvertently collect the communications of people not under foreign surveillance in 2017. Anyway, your second expert is this person named Tori. She's going to claim that she worked for John Brennan and he had her

copy of the internet or something. It's a mess. I don't believe anything this person says. So okay. All right. Does she not take that next step and realize, were they to collect everything, they would need the infrastructure of thousands of people to even start trying to sort through it? AI, baby. You got me. I don't know if it's because you're tired, but that look on your face was terrified. You had a look of like, oh no. You know, it is also, I mean, I joke it around, but it is one of the unfortunate things that's the sort of deus ex machina about these arguments, right? And you could just appeal to some sort of

magical ability that the global secretly have like their life extension technology. Okay, fine. Then if we're doing that whole thing, who's programming the algorithm and what biases? Oh God, I hate it. I hate them. I hate them so much already. And we haven't heard Tori speak. Nope, but we're about to. Okay, she's going to talk about some work that John Brennan had her do with some hard drives back in 2000. She claims to be the actual person who moved the electronic files at Stanley Inc. And CGI in 2008, which publicly was falsely alleged to be a hack. What can you tell us about the CGI Stanley passport incident? See, Brennan has a certain MO, okay? When he wants

to get something, he pretends there's a hack. So I was asked when I was stateside, hey, would you go by that office and pull all this data from the State Department? Leave the cannoli. Of course I will. I put it on two rugged drives. They were like the orange tips really big, you know, drives and they put it on there and then later, it's like, oh, they were hacked. I'm thinking, I didn't hack anything. I was told to do it. So I just kind of watched what was happening. One person actually what committed suicide or something. And the other two were found like, but there was no hack. And that that's a going thing. You know that, right? Wow. Wow. So I'm sorry it was I'm going to need more than take the

cannoli. I'm going to need more than the the wow on that one. I'm going to need you to follow up with another like question. That'd be nice. That's not really style. No, that's fair. That's fair. So you might be starting to notice a trend with this shit. Millie is having to be really careful with her reporting saying that Toren claims these things. And that's because there's literally no way to confirm anything this person's saying. And that's smart for Millie. If you're going to do a documentary where your experts are real weirdos who can't prove anything they're saying and they might be saying legally dicey things, the best way to handle it is to just say they say this. Yeah, the government is run by Bigfoot claims Tory. Yeah, fuck off.

Here's one big problem with this story just from the jump. Millie says that Tory claims to be the person who is behind his hack at Stanley and CGI back in 2008. This has to do with some incidents in the lead up to the 2008 election where all the candidates passport information was accessed by unauthorized people. The breaches were traced to three individual incidents to involving Stanley incorporated subcontractors, and one who was a contractor for the Analysis Corporation, which are different entities. The problem is the CGI part. CGI had nothing to do with these data breaches, but they are associated with Stanley incorporated. They bought Stanley incorporated in 2010, which is two years after these data breaches happened.

CGI has nothing to do with this story unless you're somebody who's trying to recreate a conspiracy and got kind of sloppy with details and dates. Kind of what I think is going on here. Quid pro quo, my buddy. So they hire, they do the hack with the other company, but two years later, so as not to make it look suspicious, they then purchase the other company making those people rich. See, quid pro quo. Done. Makes sense. Done. Yep. I have no idea what Tory is talking about with people who allegedly breached the files, turning up dead or whatever, but this is entirely to set up a Seth Rich conspiracy later. I think one of them committed suicide. I'm not going to worry about you. You've been warned pretty sure there's a Seth Rich

conspiracy coming. There's a couple of people who got killed. I'm pretty sure they were found somewhere. I'm not sure. Do I have any names? No. So this is the John Brennan MO. Don't 2008 Tory went in. She they made it look like it was a hack where people look came in and except it wasn't really even a hack. It was people who were contractors just access the information. It seems we're going to get into it later. It seems very easy for people to do. Yeah, it's kind of an honor system. Yeah, it's almost kind of an accident. Really? It was not an accident. Wow. But it might not have been nefarious. Yeah. Okay. So she goes in there, right? She takes information off course, but then somebody else has to come in and put

information in or something. This is what's known in the business is the super switch. If it wasn't a hack, I'm presuming that means you took the information off of their servers. Big presumption. So that information was then missing. Correct. What would be the point of that? What were they trying to hide? Well, if I removed it, that means someone else was there to replace it. Right? Big presumption again. Factual actual information. And then someone goes behind. That's like super switch. I thought an ACON song was starting based on that sound effect. Do not give me that sting. Do not give me that sting after what she said. She said it's the super switch. Now, you got to come with something hot. You can't just say super switch and

then go boom. Right. No, can't do it. Nope. Wrong. Lose. So this this clip, like it might have been I mean, at this point, we're not like that deep into the documentary, but this might be about where I lost my mind. And I wanted to yell at the people who were involved in this. Okay. Because it's just like, you're so bad at this, I could do a better conspiracy documentary than you. So what is the relationship between global strategies group, analysis corporation and Canadian global information? They all do the same thing. They're the jacks of all trade, except for the fact that global strategies group was actually a hub for all information in and out. None of this is prune anyway. But there's a simpler answer to this question.

What was that? The whole question? What's the relationship between these analysis corporations is a wholly owned subsidiary of global strategies group? Oh, that's a good answer. The answer to the question is what's the relationship between them is that one owns the other. You don't have to play games and be like, Oh, they all do the same thing. There's actual material, concrete connections between two of these companies that you listed. You would have to do research at all to know that. Not much. I found that pretty easily. Also, Millie thinks that CGI Incorporated stands for Canadian global information, which it actually doesn't. It's a French name, which is concierre on question and informatique,

which loosely translates to management and IT consultants. Since growing into a giant company, they just go by CGI now. This is a problem with Millie's surface level bullshit. She thinks that CGI stands for Canadian global information because all she did was look at the first line of their Wikipedia page, which describes them as a Canadian global information company. Oh my God. The next paragraph literally would have explained their name and how when it was translated to English, it became consultants to government and industries in order to preserve the acronym. I don't know what the connection is if there is any between CGI and global strategies group. I do know, however, that just saying that these companies all have a lot of divisions in

them isn't strong enough of an argument. And the fact that Tori didn't correct Millie on thinking that that's what CGI stands for makes me think that maybe she doesn't know much about the company either. And that's pretty trouble. I want to throw a urine balloon so bad. I'm noticing that that's going to be a that's going to be a I'm trying not to yell, Dan. So I'm imagining instead of the the screams I'm seeing in my mind's eye, Millie Weaver and a giant explosion of urine all over her face. Sure. I wish I didn't say it like that. But we you know, we all need visualization exercises sometimes. So one of the other the two main villains, I guess, if you're going to say that about this documentary, are James Jones, Obama's National Security Advisor, sure, who

apparently I don't know if he actually runs dynology or it's his son. It's his son is listed in all the stuff that I was finding. But it's possible that the father was also involved. I don't know. Sure. So Patrick Berge apparently worked for dynology, which is involved with James Jones, of course. The other villain is John Brennan, former director of the CIA, who was the CEO for a short time, a couple years of the Analysis Corporation, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of Global Strategies Group, right and subcontracting group and one of the people who did work for it was one of the people who accessed the passports. Sure. And so that is how Tori is going to say that she was that person and worked for John Brennan or something kind of. It's convoluted.

Are we are we getting? Are we getting signed up here or is is is somebody behind this? Maybe somebody who maybe has been all over the world for the past 40 years. So we can get your baby. He's not involved in this as far as I can tell. His alias is Tori. Oh, it's not stupid. No, this this person left a paper trail. All right. Anyway, here's some talk about John Brennan that's not true. John Brennan working within his network of contracting companies, such as Stanley, Canadian Global Information and the Analysis Corporation helped then Senator Barack Obama get elected using Internet influence operations. March 5, 2013, Brennan gets confirmed as CIA director, dodging controversy over his involvement in the CIA enhanced interrogation

scandal. This makes no sense. For one, Millie is saying Canadian Global Information again, which is not a real company. Second, there's literally nothing about the sentence and allegation that she just made that's proven. Tori claims that she was working for John Brennan through the Analysis Corporation when she went and took those passports, which was then covered up as a hack. But Millie hasn't proven this and absolutely zero evidence to suggest that this wasn't just people accessing the data has been provided. It's just the hearsay of one person. John Brennan was the CEO of the Analysis Corporation from 2005 to 2008, at which point he left in order to accept a nomination from Obama to be the deputy national security advisor.

I don't know if there's any connection between the Analysis Corporation and Stanley, Incorporated and none has been provided, outside of the fact that in 2008 both had contractors who breached State Department files to view the candidate's passport data. That apparently isn't very hard for people with access to do, though. The thing that's stopping people from doing it is knowing that if you do, it triggers a response and you will get in trouble. In a New York Times article about the 2008 data breaches, State Department spokesperson Sean McCormick discusses how Hillary Clinton's file had been breached the previous summer. It was in the context of a training exercise where new employees were asked to pull up someone's file. Quote,

usually in these training circumstances, people are encouraged to enter a family member's name just for training purposes. The person chose Senator Clinton's name. It was immediately recognized, they were immediately admonished, and it didn't happen again. Pat Kennedy, the Undersecretary of State for Management, said that the department had automatic controls that flag when the files of well-known or public figures were accessed. In the case of Mr. Obama and Mr. McCain, the flag went up when these files were opened. It's apparently super easy for this information to be accessed by people who we trust to work in these data environments, so it's not too surprising the contractors from two different firms were able to access them.

It really just means that there were multiple people who didn't believe it when someone told them, if you click on that, it will set off an alarm. As the kids say, they fucked around and found out. That is such a fucking sitcom plot. It is. I'm like, it's your first day, and you're like, haha, it's a joke. I'm going to be the funny guy in the office. I'll just type in nailery claim. Klaxons all around. Exactly. Lockdown. John Brennan is connected to the analysis corporation, but not Stanley. Stanley is involved in the data breach story, but CGI didn't buy them until two years later. There's no reason for Millie to claim that this data breach, which he hasn't proven that Brennan had anything to do with, was the quid pro quo, which got Obama elected and

there was IIAs. And then the payoff was to make him CIA director five years later. Yeah, it's the long game, Dan. There's a long game. There's a few details that Millie is leaving out. The first is that Brennan specifically withdrew his name from consideration for the position of CIA director in Obama's first term because he knew that he was unlikely to be confirmed for the exact reason that Millie brings up that he had supported Bush's enhanced interrogations. Knowing that, he accepted the position of assistant to the president on Homeland Security, which doesn't require Senate confirmation. Also, Millie is conveniently ignoring that John Brennan was a public supporter of an advisor to then Senator Barack Obama prior to the passport

breach. According to an article in the record from 2009, Brennan quote became involved with Obama's campaign in 2007. Brennan was already on a short list of names to be nominated for positions like CIA director or security advisor long before that data breach. And there's nothing that Millie is saying here. It can actually be proven or seems to mean anything. Yeah, so I wrote a shit. That's awesome. Thanks, Billy. Yeah. So anyway, she gets to talk more about Snowden a little bit. And I know that you're somebody who's, you know, has a lot of familiarity with that story. And let's see if this passes your smell test. Snowden created a data bridge from the NSA database into private servers controlled by private intelligence and cybersecurity contractors,

aka the analysis corporation, global strategies group, and Canadian global information. The joining of streams is duplicating the information in the upstream. That's, that's crazy to think that another company is copying all emails, text, phone calls, messages, emojis, Instagrams, tweets, anything you can imagine that's being uploaded. That has to go into like the 72 hour holding is suddenly being pushed offshore. That sounds kind of illegal because it is June 5, 2013. Edward Snowden goes public with the NSA program Prism, revealing the NSA collects internet traffic of all US citizens from major internet and telecom companies through the FISA 702 program. Snowden's actions kicked off on the federal level,

justification for spying on US citizens, including the Senate and Congress in the name of preventing US citizens with classified or top secret clearances from being able to repeat Snowden's actions. This opened the door for the creation of clear force, dun dun, clear force, clear force, clear force. Get to that later. All right, real quick. Edward Snowden didn't create twin streams of data, no, at least a trove of documents which reveal the level of spying that we were previously unaware of. In the information presented in this film, I'm not confident that Millie knows what Edward Snowden actually did. I have, I think she has no idea. Yeah, it's very confusing. She did. It sounds like she didn't even watch Citizen 4, which is not long. No, it's a good documentary.

She might have watched him on Rogan, but not paid attention. Yeah. Secondly, Canadian global information still isn't a thing. Third, there's no evidence that what Tori is describing is happening. If she's just talking about the upstream collections, that's a very small percentage of data that's collected by the NSA. And since 2017, it's a method that only applies to communications to or from persons under foreign surveillance. What she's describing sounds really scary, though, probably impossibly complicated to implement in any way, but very scary. Yeah. If it sounds illegal, Dan, literally everything that's being done, everything online is collected in the 72-hour hold and then it's doubled and sold to everybody. Yes. Fourth problem,

Snowden's revelations about Prism has nothing to do with upstream collections, which has been what we've been talking about this whole time. Well, that is kind of important. The data that's collected through Prism is requested from actual internet service providers, which is in contrast to how upstream collection works. You would know the difference if you looked into it, but you wouldn't know the difference if all you did was watch this stupid documentary. Yeah. I think when I read the book and watched the documentary and went through all of this stuff, I really thought that Snowden was going to send all this data to a non-existent company and to find out that it was confirmed by Millie Weaver that he sent all of our private information. That's the problem is that like

Analysis Corporation is a real company. Yes. That's the problem with a lot of this stuff, is that like, yeah, there is the enough tent poles of reality that if you're not careful, you could easily get yourself tricked into thinking like, uh-oh, this is real. Yeah. Then you're like, what's Canadian global information? Fifth problem. I don't know. Snowden is where the idea of screening employees started, which is what ClearForce is. I know that when I was rejected for a job at Eddie Bauer back when I was 20, it was because I failed the multiple choice test that they made me take that's supposed to identify if you're likely to steal. That was back in 2004. I got a little note in the mail that said that I didn't live the Eddie Bauer lifestyle.

All right. That's enough to cause a revolution. It hurt. I want that. That should be the front page of every news paper. My buddy, Swearingen, at the time, worked at Eddie Bauer and he'd walk me about how I didn't live the Eddie Bauer lifestyle. Swearingen was living the Eddie Bauer style. I feel like you should have, that should have been the other way around. I think we were roommates at the time to very different lifestyles of the house, which actually to be fair, quite different. Yeah, I would stole a lot of stuff. Presumably, according to a multiple choice test, I had the propensity fair. I would assume that if getting a job selling overpriced genes employed some of these techniques to screen employees, companies that are involved with hiring people

who get access to very sensitive data might have some checks in place. I love the idea that we are all the way in a year that begins with the two right and Snowden happens and then the government was like shit screening people. Oh, damn. How did we not know that? Yeah, we've been around for a while. Yeah. So we'll get into this a little bit more. They talk about Clear Force a bit later. It's just sort of another vague name that's thrown around like Shadownet. Yeah, Clear Force. What are we doing? I don't know. What are we doing name and shit? I don't know. Call it thing one and thing two and then we'll number them until we're done. So this was one of the more troubling and difficult things to look into that

gets brought up in this documentary. Millie's talking about technology, which is the company that's run by James Jones, apparently, or his son. Yeah. And they have contracts with the government. And one of the contracts that Millie has singled in on is a contract about a thing called the Congressional Knowledge System, which is essentially, as I understand it from the things that I was able to find is a platform that people can have to gather publicly available data on representatives. Sure. So it will have like meetings that they went to because everybody's schedule is publicly available. And then you can cross reference that with like who was at which meeting. Yeah, I assume that it has like really strong potential for like lobbying and for networking

uses essentially from where everything I can tell all of the stuff that would be on it or would, you know, you'd find through this platform is stuff that you could find if you wanted to take forever to find it. Yeah, or they've created an algorithm that gathers this information from the places that it is. Oh, that's great. And has it in a searchable database. I understand that's the sense that I get from looking at it. Okay, so that's the the thing that dynology had he had a number of contracts for. Now Millie has found a website that lists government contracts us spending.gov. And she's found something in there that is suspicious. And I will admit that when I started to look into it, I didn't think that she was making something up because it is very

fucking suspicious. Okay. And it became an issue where I was like, Oh, what's going on here? And then I wasted hours. Good. But I didn't waste them because I did figure out what's going on. Okay, good. If we look on us spending.gov, we see dynology was awarded contracts for the congressional knowledge management system. However, one contract stands out where dynology was awarded a contract by the Department of Defense that includes a mention of the congressional knowledge management system. A closer look shows that the award description is for CKMS hosting labor admin core data. The primary place of performance is Germany. And the North American industry classification description is data processing, hosting and related services. Even one section stating

manufacturing outside the United States use outside the United States. Let it seek in that these official documents suggest the congressional knowledge management system outsourced to a private contractor is hosted, managed and stored in servers in Germany. This is very disturbing. I don't know if it is, but I don't think it's very disturbing. I'm not I'm not entirely sure what it implies. But there's something really strange about this transaction. I did trace it down and weirdly, Millie isn't apparently making stuff up. Okay, there is an award that ended up totaling $169,112 of a potential $253,300 that appears to be for some kind of data processing, hosting and related services taken on by dynology that has Germany listed as its primary place of performance.

There's other scurry things about this award too that just don't quite make sense on its face. Wait, so the global spying operation costs 160 grand? Yeah, that's a problem. We'll get into it. Okay, trust me. This seems really fishy. But when you're lazy and you jump to assumptions, you end up doing things like Millie. But when you spend a couple of hours going over this and looking for like details, I can explain this to you pretty clearly. But it does look fucked up because like, why is there this one contract that's in Germany? Sure, sure. And this is the other part that I really had a difficulty with. The first installment of it was paid in February 2008, the amount of $76,526. Then in January 16,

2009, an additional $84,178 was paid out. But on April 28, 2009, that exact same amount was returned to the US government. Then in January 2010, $92,586 was paid to dynology for this award. Then that's it. It seems like an indication that in 2009, dynology failed to fulfill their end of the contract and weren't paid. It's really hard to say what exactly it was that they didn't provide, but it couldn't possibly be something as essential as the congressional calendar as, which is what they are saying. They're saying that this congressional knowledge service is. Gotcha. Because that would mean that Congress had no calendar for a year, and then they decided to pay the same vendor in 2010 that screwed it up in 2009.

I think that's a great way to, you know, I want the government run like a business. Something is up here, and I didn't know exactly what it was, and I'm confident that Millie doesn't either. This page on usaspending.gov does not say what this contract was for. It's only described as quote, CMKS hosting labor slash admin slash core data. You can jump to a conclusion with this if you want and report that dynology was hosting all this US Congress calendar data on the server in Germany, but I don't think that the award proves that. And like I said, I'm not sure if it's a scandal if it were true even. All right. Here's my pitch spying on Hitler who didn't die. Could be. Yeah. Here's my attempt to clear this up. Sure. Although I respect your the guess.

That's about 160 grand worth, right? Sure. Yeah. I suspect that Millie made a hasty assumption in guessing what CMKS stands for. She says that this contract has a mention of the congressional knowledge service, and that is only the description line CMKS hosting labor slash admin slash core data. That's what she's referring to. Okay. She's interpreting it as being the congressional knowledge system, which is supposed to be that calendar. But in other contracts they have that involve the congressional knowledge service, it's never abbreviated. This is the only contract. I went through a bunch of them where it's abbreviated, because I don't think that's what CMKS stands for. I think it stands for customer master keys, which are something that are used

in cloud computing. The contracts that Dynology has been awarded are mostly through the Department of Defense, but the office that's doing the awarding is different. And the one that's in the German contract and is for CMKS is the office that's titled 0409AQHQ. This is the only contract they've been awarded through this office. And if you search for more information about it, the office itself, you'll find a bunch of contracts for a US regional office in Bavaria. These contracts as Dynology has been awarded are in the field of IT and network. So it makes total sense that they possibly were contracted by a US station in Bavaria to help with a cloud computing issue related to customer master keys. And Millie saw the abbreviation CMKS and assumed

that it must be related to the congressional knowledge system, because three of the letters are the same. Even if that's the case, she completely fucks it up. She calls it the congressional knowledge management system, which would be CKMS, not CMKS. Well, we all make mistakes. Pope, but he's nerf it, Dan. Dynology did have a trademark on CKMS, or congressional knowledge management system, which they filed in March 2009. You'll notice that the contract for the German CMKS started prior to this in February 2008, which is weird. The trademark that Dynology has also since expired. It doesn't appear to have been active at least since 2015. From everything I can tell, there's no reason to conclude that this contract that was performed

in Germany has any connection to the other contracts that Dynology fulfilled, or has anything to do with the congressional knowledge system. And I think that Millie just assumed that based on similarity of acronym. And that's fucking sloppy. That what you just explained right there is the nail in the coffin for when, if you made it this far into the documentary, you should just turn it off. But you would never know this if you didn't look for it. Of course not. If you didn't look through all these fucking contracts. Of course not. It took forever. I know. It was annoying. I believe it. And I didn't want to do it after she screwed up the Canadian global information. That's what I was thinking. Yeah. Is why would, well, how did we get here? But the fact that you

put more work, more work to finding out that acronym than she did on the entire fucking documentary. Well, here's the thing that we know what I was saying at the beginning, like the good and bad part of it. I really did feel excited looking at that. Of course, because it was like, huh, what's going on here? This is interesting. Yeah. Millie had pointed me at something that doesn't immediately make sense. Right. And that is why is there this one contract for Germany that's related to the congressional, you know, knowledge system. Sure. You know, you go through all the like, the prefixes of the things look at dates on contracts and they're like, oh, wait a second, probably get the acronym wrong. Yeah. CMKS is something that

exists as an abbreviation in cloud computing. Yeah. There's no reason to suspect that there's as anything to do with it. You're just making up that it's related. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I also like there are American military bases all around the world. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if one of them needed IT support. Yeah. Yeah. In Germany. Yeah. And it wouldn't be all that uncommon for a bunch of different IT companies to perhaps provide fulfillment of those contracts. Totally. So them just having this one that was in Germany makes sense. Maybe they did it and didn't do a great job with it, which is why they aren't in that field as much. And there's only one contract for that. I don't know. There's a hundred possibilities that are completely non nefarious

and aren't weird at all, but they're all excluded. And she just jumps to the conclusion that, aha, dynology has all of the congressional, they have all of Congress's information and they keep it on the secret right thing in Germany. I just I'm just not going to buy a hundred and sixty grand doing it. I'm just yeah. You can't spy on the Congress for only a hundred and sixty grand for three years. Yeah. You need it. You need a threat to risk risk alone. Even thirty million dollars even if you accept that every misinterpretation that she's making is true. Yes. This contract ended its payout. The last payout was in 2010. Yeah. So I don't know what the relation this has to the present day. But also if you're spying on the government for a year and then they're

like you did a bad job and you have to give back eighty thousand dollars. That's a that's a red flag egg on the face. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good. So now at this point what we have is two streams that are going sort of simultaneously. Yeah. You have the Berge side of things. Sure. Which is dynology and James Jones. Right. And so they have Congress by the short and Curly's. Sure. With this Nichols. And also they have the entire world because they do these IIA operations that basically can make everyone do whatever they want and they do it on the cheap. So that's what you need. So they got that covered. Yeah. Then you have Tori and she worked for John Brennan through whatever and she apparently through him knows that he has access to every computer. Sure. So he could do

everything through the computers. Dynology's got control of all the Congress. Yeah. Bada bing bada boom. Yeah. In based on what you're telling me in reality I feel like these are completely parallel streams that do not ever intersect whatsoever. I think they're supposed to be working together. I don't know. Okay. Anyway, not all this is meaningless. None of this is proven. They need to do a better job. If what they're talking about like let's pretend it is real. Yeah. There is this nefarious plan. Sure. They are doing a disservice by making this terrible documentary that doesn't prove anything. Yeah. Yeah. They're really fucking us over. Yeah. Maybe Jesus. No. No. Come on. Anyway. False flag documentary. Brennan got the computers. Uh-huh.

Dynology has everything else. Sure. The Senate's computer network compromised by John Brennan's CIA and the Congressional Knowledge Management System. It's just a regular CIA. Managed and stored overseas by General Jones's company. The ability for these contractors to eavesdrop on both the House and the Senate is staggering. Da-dan. Prove anything. Yeah. Anyway, Berge comes back now. Sure. We have to talk about Berge a little more. Uh-huh. He claims that he named this technology iSci because PSI, like psychology, psi ops, aha. Wait, so it's PSPi. I, like iPhone. Uh-huh. PSY. PSY. Yeah. Do you mean iSci? It would be, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, he named it because he loves confusing. And then through this clip,

we end up with one of the like really, really big misunderstandings that fuels where a lot of this is coming from. Sure. And it's a pretty simple explanation for why they're wrong. What did you name it iSci for? I like the iPhone PSI for psychological warfare. Okay. You have the component where you need to be able to collect all this information. Real quick. They absolutely do call it iSci. Okay. At other points. I know that I heard the call it that. Okay, gotcha. I really mad that they said iSci because- In this one circumstance. And they might be interchangeable. I know I heard iSci. Okay. Anyway, I, you're all right. And then you need to be able to collaborate this information with a team of an unspecified

amount of analysts and or other legal people that will be looking at stuff. They collaborate information. And you need to be able to provide the leadership of a tactical operation. You need to be able to provide them what's called the cops, a common operational picture. Right? So this provides people at the top, common operational picture of all the different assets. Assets can be journalists. It could be an entire news organization. It could be a podcast. It could be just an individual YouTube influencer. It could be anybody like that. And you would either build them from scratch or contract them out. Just bring them online. According to Berge, the 2012 changes to the Smith-Mont Modernization Act of 2012

opened the floodgates for domestic IIA, social media influence operations. So here's where things kind of fall apart. And Patrick Berge begins to sound even more like a sovereign citizen type who's constructed a fantasy world where only he really knows the truth. But then again, he did say the podcasts are possibly IIA operations. So why would anyone take my word for it? Yeah, right. All the, uh, all the parts of this stuff that intersect with reality are in places that involve public diplomacy efforts in foreign countries, which some could call propaganda or even psyops. The 2007 policy guideline on IIA stuff was about engaging foreign entities, for example. Some of this is undoubtedly insidious and awful,

but some of it's probably not as malevolent as you might imagine, like countering terrorist propaganda. I mean, yeah, the other way of, you know, that's also just advertising. Public relations. Yeah, exactly. I feel like having the conversation about whether or not public relations messaging is a good or a bad thing is nearly impossible when the definitions are so vague. So I'm not even going to try it. The only reason that these people like Berge and Millie can argue that this has anything to do with America, and thus they can claim that all attacks on Trump and all social unrest is actually an almost comically sized conspiracy against them is because they believe that before he left office, Obama made it legal for the United States

government to spread propaganda domestically when Congress passed the Smith-Mont Modernization Act of 2012 as Millie references at the end of that clip. This is literally all the result of one instance of bad reporting by the late Michael Hastings of BuzzFeed. From an article in Foreign Policy, quote, the Smith-Mont Act never had anything to do with regulating the Pentagon, a fact that was misunderstood in media reports in the run up to the passage of the new Smith-Mont reforms in January. One example included a report in the late BuzzFeed reporter Michael Hastings who suggested that the Smith-Mont Modernization Act would open the door to Pentagon propaganda of US audiences. In fact, as amended in 1987, the act only covers portions of the State Department

engaged in public diplomacy abroad. But the news circulated regardless, much to the displeasure of Representative Mac Thornbury, Republican of Texas, a sponsor of the Smith-Mont Modernization Act of 2012. Quote, to me it's fascinating as a case study and how one blogger was pretty sloppy, not understanding the issue, and then it got picked up by Politico's playbook, and you had one level of sloppiness on top of another. Thornbury told The Cable last May, and once something sensational gets out there, it spreads like wildfire. Yeah, that is fascinating. The Smith-Mont Modernization Act only applies to the Broadcasting Board of Governors, which contains things like Voice of America. They produce news items and

programs that are available for foreign audiences, which they claim are fair and objective, but I think most people would suspect are a bit on the pro-America angle of things. The Modernization Act was prompted by two considerations. The first was that previously the products of the Broadcasting Board of Governors was not supposed to be available in the United States, but that was when there was radio and TV, where the primary means. So with the Internet becoming what it was, it's probably going to be increasingly impossible to guarantee that these products aren't available within the United States. You can get radio stations from across the world. Yeah, I mean, you would have to create your own Chinese firewall around America just for this

one purpose. Logistically, it would be really, really hard to guarantee that. The larger consideration, however, was providing programming that would serve diaspora communities in the United States. For instance, there's a large Somali American community in St. Paul, and prior to the act, they weren't able to listen to Voice of America Somalia, which may have been their main source of news before coming to the United States. Meanwhile, they would have access to other news sources from Somalia that might not be great. Well, so that's one of the big considerations. The important thing to take away from this is that the Smith-Mont Modernization Act did not legalize using propaganda on American citizens the way that people like Berge like to pretend.

They act like, after that point, the Pentagon and CIA were taking over every newsroom in the country when, in reality, the act had nothing to do with anything except a very specific section of the government, and it applied to programming that was already being created, which is now available in the United States upon request. The act is very clear on page five saying, quote, no funds authorized to be appropriated to the Department of State or the Broadcasting Board of Governors shall be used to influence public opinion in the United States. It's a very standard talking point that people on the extreme right wing and the conspiracy world deploy in an attempt to invalidate all media they disagree with, but it just isn't real. Obama did not legalize propaganda

in the United States. The act just made it so people in the United States could watch Voice of America if they wanted to. If they want to complain about Voice of America, that's fine. They have the right to do that. It's just a completely different conversation. So I don't quite understand if you're telling me that Obama legalized propaganda in the United States and thus took over newsrooms and the like, including podcasts such as ours. That is what they're saying. Right. Then why is it that they often reference those news organizations when they want to use them to prove their point? Smoke bomb. Yeah, literally. You're just saying literally everything is propaganda,

dude, because the fucking DoD can't control everything. But yes, they can. You just said they could sometimes. That's what you're saying. That's what Snowden allowed them to do. Shut the fuck up. All right. But there's a good article that supports what I like. That's not the DoD. All right. Okay, so here's okay. It's magic piggyback on this though. Magic. This is where you piggyback. This is actually good for your conspiracy theory documentary, right? Don't call it mine. I'm not talking about yours. I take offense. I mean, I mean, I mean in a larger sense. The the collective my all right is okay. So that means that if they're controlling newsrooms and I sometimes use them to agree with myself and I sometimes use them to disagree with other

people, then the government is planting information for both sides all the time, creating this great divide in the United States. It's all there, right? That's what you say. I mean, sure. I'm having a difficult time processing. We are both a little. Can I have a little punch drunk here? I mean, there's a little bit of that to it, and then there's also a like I'm so frustrated by this documentary. Yeah, and talking about it. Now I realize there's a there's a bit more to talk about and that makes me angry. This product to make sure we're not done yet. How is it? We're not done yet. Honestly, I couldn't pay attention to the conspiracy that you were spinning because I'm like I'm gonna be up

all night literally. I will this episode. Here's what we'll do. I'll just say it's gonna be four hours. I'll just stay quiet the rest of the night. No, no, I insist you don't. So Millie gets into talking with Patrick Berge here. She's interviewing him and she wants to know if iPhones you know if they were creating these smartphone technologies where they created in order for the military to run IIA operations on us. And this is where I started to detect a trend in Mr. Berge. Do you think that some of these smart devices were created in order to gain access to the public by the military industrial complex? I know that the iPhone really was released within this if not the same month of the IIA policy letter. I know for a fact and you can easily look it up that the

Smith-Mont act modernization act was modified to allow for the influence dissemination of propaganda to Americans which had previously been restricted or prevented by the Smith-Mont act in the late 40s when it was put in place when they modernized that they took away those protections allowing it to adapt for social media. And then within a few months or just a very short period of time they came out with the Obama phone. Get the fuck out. Yeah, get the fuck out. That was where I was like. Get the fuck out. No, no, you leave. You leave. You go. I'm not smoke bombing. This time you go. Yeah, I insist you smoke bomb yourself. You leave. Yeah, you need a nice solid piece of evidence that this Patrick Berge guy might be a little bit nuts. I present to you that sentence. He's

suggesting the iPhone is nefarious because it was released sometime close to when this IIA memo came out. Sure. And because the Tea Party got really upset about quote unquote Obama phones fairly shortly after the Smith-Mont Modernization Act, they're somehow related. This is not well ordered thinking. This is a person essentially making random connections between dots so he can tell the story that he wants to. You do not get to just point to two things that happened around the same time and then smugly claim that you've made your point that they're connected. Sure, the memo and the release of the first iPhone both happened in June 2007. But if we go ahead and play that game, I could say like just for an example. Sure that the car attack on the Glasgow International

Airport that happened that same month was in retaliation for the previous day's release of the movie Rata to eat. That sounds right. I could do it. That sounds right. I'm going to be honest. Glasgow hated that movie. If they weren't connected, why did they happen close to the same time? I think I can't see any reason why you or how you could disprove that. The Smith-Mont connection is even more bizarre. Those two things are absolutely not connected. If Obama had given everyone radios with dials that were broken and only picked up Voice of America, then maybe you could make an argument here. But as it stands, this is one of the most like first subtly racist ways this conspiracy theory is starting to manifest. And it's a pretty stark example of

Berge's thinking not being based in reality. I was wondering when we were going to get to racism. I knew it was coming. It had to. There was no way that we weren't going to get any racism. It had to. And we landed there. And then now it's like, okay, floodgates are open. Oh, no. He also suggested that the contiguous release of the Obama phone with an unlimited data plan played a significant role in fostering the Ferguson riots using IAA. So here's another instance of patently racist narrative building enabled by outrageous dot connecting and living in a world devoid of standards of evidence. The unrest in Ferguson took place in August 2014. And if you're asking me what prompted them, I would say that it was the inaction by the police against Officer Darren Wilson after

he shot and killed Michael Brown. The community was unhappy about the shooting and how it was being handled. And this didn't come out of nowhere. There's a pattern of racist policing in the city that you can learn more about if you care at all. If you don't, you can take that video of a woman talking about Obama phones from late 2012 and notice that she's black as are a lot of the protesters in Ferguson. So the stories must be connected. Oh boy. People who are interested in doing a good job don't accept things like this as being anything other than an indication of someone not being a person they can rely on for solid information. His response could go a long way toward explaining a pattern of stonewalling that Patrick Berge feels like he's received from all the elites who were

afraid of him because they use his technology to control people. This whole thing of him, like what I'm trying to get at is Millie responding humoringly or acceptingly. I don't think is a common thing that Patrick Berge receives. I think that there's a pattern in his life of people quote unquote stonewalling him. They're scared of his information terrified when in reality they're responding appropriately. Yeah. On his website, he posted a quote elevator version of his story that reads like an angry nonsensical telling of a weirdo trying to get attention. Here are some of the passages that I think are a little bit illuminating. If it's an elevator pitch, there should only be one passage. Dan, the fact that you said passages suggest to me this is either

a long elevator or I want to leave fucking along God. I'm not going to read all of it. No, I know, but that there exists more than one. Oh my God, so much. Yeah, quote. Think of the shadow net as a social media fake news project management tool that the Washington Post has known about since at least 2017 when I first worked with Wappos Craig Timberg and a few others. They killed my story after about a month of going back and forth. Berge says that they killed his story, but I would guess that they tried to report on it looked into some of the things he was claiming and realized they were talking to a conspiracy theorist weirdo. The documentary we're talking about only exists because people like Millie don't do that kind of work before they accept information and decide

that it's worth reporting on. Yeah, quote. The Senate Judiciary Committee were the only ones that actually spoke to me. They had two investigators interview me in a private room for about 45 minutes, but I never heard from them again. If that's even true, and the investigators did interview Berge, you can easily see how this exchange might have been experienced differently from their perspective and from his. The only reason it lasted 45 minutes was they were having a great time. They're laughing. That is exactly what happened, quote. I believe the House and Senate members have submitted multiple memorandums of records sworn and signed under penalty of the False Claims Act and ignored were shadow net customers. I'm open to any other fact-based

argument, but thus far I haven't heard it. I've literally spoken to Matt Gates and Lindsay Graham, both of whom promised me at the time they would help them crickets. You can see how inaction on anyone's part can easily become proof that they themselves are in on the conspiracy, which is a dangerous feature of unchecked delusional paranoia. The problem is that when you engage with the world on these terms, you're essentially creating a system where no matter what feedback you get, your conclusion is proven correct. If you go tell Matt Gates about this stuff and he takes it seriously, you can work with that. If he ignores you, then he's probably secretly in on the conspiracy against you. If he speaks out against you about how this information

doesn't check out, then he's definitely in on the conspiracy. This is a big feature to look out for when you're engaging with conspiracy shit. If it's constructed in ways where no matter what happens, the conspiracy theorist is correct, that should be a red flag. This is like how Alex will warn about an imminent attack by Antifa on multiple police stations across the country, knowing that when nothing happens, he can claim his coverage stopped the attack. Do not trust people who act that way. Yeah, that's usually bad. This last passage is particularly dramatic and it's a little bit longer, but I think it's worth it. Okay. Patrick Berge sees Dan Bongino's show on TV, and he likes some of the anti-Hillary coverage that he's seeing, but he thinks that Dan doesn't have

the full story. Oh boy. Quote, not knowing who to trust, I felt a strong almost calling, if you will, that I needed to meet Dan Bongino, look him in the eye and see if he would help me or turn me away. Some people have suggested I did this as a gotcha moment or wanted to embarrass Dan or set him up, but nothing could have been further from the truth. I was hoping he would help, but I didn't know if he was a good guy or a bad guy, and I didn't trust Sarah, and that's a person who he had reached out to who was apparently, I think she might have been working for Judge Jeanine Piro. He got snubbed by Piro, too. He was not happy about that. I wasn't questioning Bongino's honor. I was counting on him having it, so I reached out to a Patreon supporter hoping to find a way

to get a $450 VIP ticket to see Dan Bongino, who was the keynote speaker at an event in Naples, Florida. I still owe a hundred bucks to the commission. Obviously, this was a very long shot, but to my absolute surprise and amazement, a Patreon supporter, Susan, who had been very helpful in getting me to DC to file my QTAM, which is a lawsuit file, purchased a ticket for both of us, along with airline tickets to join me exclamation point. I picked Susan up at the Tampa Airport Thursday morning, and we drove straight to the event. Well, there was a slight detour to the Everglades when I missed the Naples exit on 75 South, but that's another story for itself on another day. This elevator, here's it. Okay. I am no longer interested in whatever floor I'm

going to. I'm no longer. I'm hitting the emergency button. I'm opening the doors by hand. It's a bit exhausting. Crawling through the tiniest hole that I can get to. I need to get out of this elevator as soon as possible. Yeah. We got there and registered with the event. As we walked around, we met some pretty interesting people that had showed up and paid a lot of money to get their picture with Dan Bongino. But Susan and I were there for another reason. I needed to look Dan in the eye and see for myself if he had honor and integrity of who's just another member of the DC swamp and then get a picture. A few days later, Dan blocked me on Twitter. The metaphorical equivalent of hitting the emergency button on the elevator.

So at least I have an answer to the honor question zero. Susan described what she saw when I first told Dan who I was as fear. She felt Dan was afraid of something when he saw me and I felt the same thing. Having followed Dan for a couple years now, I felt he would have respected someone meeting him face to face as social media can't be trusted. And I felt like he would respect someone with the guts to ask him directly. Little did I know he was a snowflake. Being that Dan Dan's actions were completely opposite of what he preaches on his daily show, I can only assume he's being paid off or simply in fear of losing his Fox News contract. Again, I'm open to

any other fact based suggestion. You really don't think he is, but I haven't heard any reasonable argument so far to convince me otherwise. Here's what I got for you buddy. Here's the most reasonable argument I can give to you. Okay, you're a dick. There is a fact based argument. People want to get away. That is a fact based argument. You're freaking people out. I call incontrovertible. So yeah, I think I think you might be right and he might be less open to reasonable arguments than he might think. So this dude's telling of his own story is just littered with interactions like that. From the external perspective sound totally normal. Just like people being freaked out by this guy who's probably

intensely telling them about a conspiracy theory that he insists they have to take on. I would guarantee he's a close talker too. I've never met him, but everything I've been able to gather from this documentary, his writing and the interviews I've seen lead me to suspect that I would probably act exactly the same way as people like Dan Don Geno or Matt Gates. And I am not a shadow net customer. That's true. That is I barely tweet. Yeah. Yeah, that is true. I mean, you had you had a tweet a while back. Can't remember the last time. So yeah, I think that like he's used to this and he's getting a like a sympathetic ear from Millie and that's bad. Now it's time to go hog wild. Yeah. And so

racism comes out. Anyway, Black Lives Matter is run from Ukraine. Why do you think they were targeting them for collection purposes though? When he says them, this is still an extension of the conversation about Obama phone and the black community just just black people in general. Yes, we're calling them them. Yes, gotcha. The think of what you could do, right? Think of how easily you could start a riot in Cleveland if you had the data. Oh, my goodness. So you could gather that information and know how to psychologically target them to get them upset. Oh, I've got an idea. You know, do you think that they were pushing information to them like tailoring their viewpoint on social media? I would. And when I like I said,

so now I don't like you even more. Originally, in 2014, I recognized Black Lives Matter movement during the Michael Brown riots is being influenced by IIA. A colleague of mine in South Korea did a trace route on it. Trace routed the source of the what I believe to have been IIA to Ukraine. That's funny, right? No. Because Ukraine just always keeps popping up. So a couple of things to point out about that clip. Hmm. Well, first is that Patrick Berge is being asked if black communities were being targeted by these IIA programs through things like Obama phones and his responses that I would that's a very suspicious response on his part.

The second thing here, Jordan, yes, is that I need way, way more details about this supposed tracking of his alleged is alleged South Korean coworker did. Sure. So Berge saw the events unfolding in Ferguson and around the country prompted by what happened in Ferguson, and he decided that it looked like it must be IIA. Then an unnamed colleague did a quote trace route on something that Berge thought was IIA and tracked that to Ukraine. What does that mean? What is the thing he traced? There's no details on any of this. It could be anything. I searched his website for Ferguson any information. I couldn't find any specifics. I've absolutely no idea what he's talking about because Millie just sucks as an interviewer. She doesn't ask any follow-up

questions on this. And I saw I strongly, strongly suspected on some level. She knows this whole thing falls apart under scrutiny. Yeah. So she knows not to don't don't don't ask questions. Yeah, not to push. So here. Okay. So what you're telling me is that the government, the DOD, running these psyops, right, to get communities to riot whenever they want to, right? Yeah, I guess that's a fair assessment of some of the activities. Yeah. Okay. Now that seems like a hat on a hat for me because one way to get communities to riot I've found is to start a country based on enslaving an entire race of people. Then when that slavery is over, create different ways to continue enslaving those people. And those last forever. And then

just start straight up murdering them over and over and over again. That is something. I mean, leaving aside the sort of grander picture that you're talking about, the inciting events of these things are just dismissed entirely by the analysis that's being provided by Millie and Berge, which I think is weird. I think it's weird and just not just not maybe a cop murdering somebody. Well, I mean, hey, I don't know. Okay. Anyway, I'm going to skip this next clip because I don't really give a shit, but it's just basically Patrick Berge talking about how the dirty dossier was created by people who are all connected to this. Put it in a digital box to bring it all back to the shadow net created the dirty dossier rights and John McCain was a big shadow net

customer. That's why he was killed all this. We're going to get to a really shocking revelation a little bit. But first, we need to talk a little bit about Tory. It turns out that well, let's just say that this isn't the first rodeo that she's had with Millie. Okay. And I know that because I'm not an idiot. I know Millie's work. But if you didn't, this this next clip wouldn't come off weird at all. But it's very weird. The Obama aid package in Ukraine, which corresponds with Joe Biden's billion dollar loan guarantee scandal is the same aid package where Seidel got a field office in Kiev to provide election training and election management for the Ukrainian Election Commission. Seidel is one of the most notorious outsourced companies

for elections with regular electronic voting machine problems who also tabulate our election results in cloud services in Europe, aka servers outside the United States. A whistleblower leaked to me in 2019 internal documents from Seidel that appeared to show meddling in the Kentucky election. So I don't particularly care about the dock connecting nonsense about this company because nothing that she's saying proves anything. And I don't want to get lost in the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That clip brings up something a bit more important and very suspicious, though. Millie says that you had a source on her story about her belief that the Kentucky election in 2019 was stolen, but she doesn't name the source. If you go and consult the Info Wars articles

that Millie released about this subject, it all traces back to one source, a Kentucky journalist named Tori spelled T O R E, which is how this woman in this is gotcha. This is the same person who is the second interview subject in this documentary. So it seems very suspicious that the subject of the Kentucky election is coming up. It's being raised, but that Millie isn't saying that the person who was her primary source on that story happens to be the person who's the primary source on this story, probably because that would be fucking suspicious as shit. Yeah. So the fake name is the real name. I mean, that's her alias. She goes by that online. Yeah. Yeah. I think her show is called like Tori says or something. All right. That whole story about

the Kentucky election, it was based on Tori making an allegation that though she lives in North Dakota and is a Republican, she and her husband, who is not a citizen, were on the voter rolls as registered Democrats in Kentucky. She insisted that this was proof that the Democrats were filling the voter rolls with fake votes to steal the election and Millie reported on this story incessantly. Unfortunately, ProPublica looked into this and found that, quote, their Kentucky registration forms show that both checked the box for Democrat when they registered to vote in Fayette County in 2008. Her husband, who Lindemann, that's her real last name, claims is not a citizen, also signed the form in 2008, which requires signers to attest that they

are US citizens. Lying on the form carries a penalty of fines or jail time of up to 12 months. The couple records show have never removed themselves from the rolls or changed their registration status until November 8th of this year, which is when she began tweeting. No. No. Her story didn't stand up to even basic journalistic scrutiny, which is why it's widely reported on Info Wars by Millie Weaver, who doesn't do that difficult stuff like looking into things before reporting on them. As it turns out, this person Tori is a woman named Terpsacor Lindemann, and she seems to be someone who might be a little bit out there. Terpsacor is a great name. I like it. Yeah, I like it too. In 2018, she found herself

under investigation by the North Dakota Attorney General, quote, after a consumer protection division received a media inquiry about claims made by a mere S Lindemann, that's her hyphenated last name, sure in fund raising solicitations for a holiday concert, supposedly to benefit charities in Menot, the city she lives in in North Dakota. Man, you get down to the bottom and you find a grift. Yep, you find a grifter. They're always there. There were some concerns because she was presenting herself and her business, which is called a magic city Christmas, as a charitable organization, but it wasn't registered as such with the Secretary of State, which is required to solicit charitable donations. According to the Attorney General's

investigation, quote, as the investigation proceeded, investigators learned that Mara S Lindemann, who had represented her affiliation to with both the Bank of North Dakota and the city of Menot in her solicitations. Without permission or even after being advised that the Bank of North Dakota could not be a sponsor, Mara S Lindemann used the bank's logo in her website, solicitations magiccitychristmas.com. She also used the coin of the city of Menot in her website and Facebook page, even after the city had repeatedly asked her to remove it. Mara S Lindemann ignored the city's attempts to contact her and as a result on October 27th, 2017, the city of Menot was forced to issue a press release, disclaiming any involvement with

Mara S Lindemann or a magic city Christmas. Even after the supposed benefit concert was then canceled, Mara S Lindemann continued to sell items, now claiming the proceeds were intended for homeless shelters. From what I can tell from the press release from the Attorney General, it appears that Tory was self-dealing a little bit here. Quote, the investigation already has determined that Mara S Lindemann has engaged in prohibited and questionable expenditures of donated funds received for a magic city Christmas event. Bank records confirm that donations were deposited in an October 2017 account and some donations later were used for purchases of fast food and QVC purchases. There is also evidence to suggest that when

her personal bank account funds were depleted, Mara S Lindemann made personal expenditures from the donated funds account. Shady stuff. See, now this is the type of person that would believe it only takes 160 grand to take down the Congress. You know? Yeah. So just after all this stuff in 2018, Tory decided to run for mayor of Menot. Why wouldn't you? You've already got the coin. And she used the make Menot great again as her campaign slogan. Of course she did. According to the Menot Daily News coverage of the election results, she did not make it to the ballot. I'm not sure if her being on the not being on the ballot is related to this or not, but a fellow Menot resident created a change.org petition titled quote prohibit Tory Mara S Lindemann

from running for mayor in Menot, North Dakota. I think that's a great idea from the petition quote. A petition is being started because it's felt that this individual is a concern for the well-being of our city and the people that reside within it. Yes, 100% due to harassment using multiple pages, parentheses via social media platforms, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn to name a few libel lying about city officials and claiming several credentials that have been proven to be false, including that of stolen valor. Well, a number of concerned citizens would like this shut down before any more damage can possibly be done. The petition goes on to say quote several of us concerned citizens have contacted them, meaning Tory, on their social media campaign,

educating them on such things as tax laws and how they work only to be personally attacked in such a manner that said that said citizens were accused of being pedophiles. Sounds pretty familiar. Yeah, I've heard something like that. Hey, Dan, sounds familiar, doesn't it? When I try to find some indications about like where this person came from prior to this weird charity thing and running for mayor, find myself a little perplexed. For instance, in 2011, her name appears in the University of Kentucky's brochure for their showcase of undergraduate scholars. At the time, she was an undergraduate in biology and she gave an oral presentation on quote microgravity as a method of therapy for acute spinal cord injury to decrease secondary damage. Alright, that sounds like

bullshit. I don't think it is. Oh, okay, cool. I think it's actually like legitimate undergraduate research. Wow. What threw me for a loop, though, was her medium page. She has a medium blog. Alright. She had a blog and she's posted sporadically since 2014. And it's really actually remarkable the shift you can see just from this glimpse. Okay. Her first essay was titled quote USA Language Confidential, a nation built by immigrants. This is a thoughtful essay about her life early on as a first generation Greek American and the insight that gave into how challenging it can be when you don't speak English well enough to enjoy many of the same things that native speakers do like full health care privacy. She's pretty blunt about her sport for immigrants and her

distaste for nationalist sentiment saying quote, United States of America was built by immigrants. This is a country with no official language. Keep that in mind next time you think of blurting out this is America and then in parentheses with a redneck accent. This post from 2014 doesn't have any indication of the parentheses just my advice. Sure, you can still edit it. It's medium. Sure. This post from 2014 doesn't have any indication of involvement in any of the clandestine spooky things that she claims, although she should have been deeply involved in all that by this point. She told Millie that John Brennan had her stage the passport hack back in 2008. But also in this same medium post, she says quote, is it's 2008 and I'm looking for work. She's talking about

Yeah, I got it. I got it. I got it. Quote, it's 2008 and I'm looking for work to help me work my way through medical school. I apply for a remote interpreter position. So much of this doesn't make sense. In 2008, she's supposed to have been in medical school, but also working for John Brennan to make fake passport hacks. Also, she was a biology undergraduate in 2011 at the University of Kentucky, but also in med school at 2008. Maybe she meant pre-med in 2008 and just called it med school. So I'm going to go ahead and ignore that as a problem for the time line. But I have some very serious doubts about the Brennan stuff based on this. Scrub your page, man. Scrub your page. It would have been wise. That's all you

got to do. Her next two posts on medium are about the same topic, language interpreters and their importance in the medical field. She makes some decent points about the difficulties that are involved in medical interpreting. You know, it's very specific types of language. And she even uses sensitive, appropriate language like referring to people served by interpreters as quote, limited English proficient persons. By August 2016, the entire tone shifts. Previously, the extent of the politics on their inner writing had to do with issues like language interpreters and their feelings about Greece's financial situation, speaking as someone of Greek heritage. Sure, sure, sure. On August 1, 2016, she posted an entry titled quote,

There are only two options you have to choose. This is a completely different writing style that comes off like an unhinged rant against Hillary Clinton, whereas the previous posts were fairly thoughtful and decently well written. This entry is littered with accusations of things like Webster Hubble secretly being Chelsea Clinton's father, bunch of other Larry Nichols ass stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's clearly putting out a very strongly pro Trump message here, but there are a few things that are curious in their absence. In the blog post, there's no insinuation or even suggestion of inside knowledge about the players and the whole thing. The name John Brennan doesn't even come up, which seems weird. Another thing that's interesting about

this post is that her use of language completely changes. While I read this passage about the issue of the wall, please remember that previously her blog had been, you know, a bunch of posts about protecting immigrant communities who built this country. And she went out of her way to use terminology like lesser English proficient, describe people who speak a different primary language. Sure. Now, in August, quote, considering that it is really difficult to hide a poppy plantation to make heroin in the United States, we can only assume that it is smuggled in from Canada and Mexico. Building a wall will disallow such a drug to come in so easily. Also, it will help regulate immigration, both legal and illegal win win. I don't see why everyone has a problem

with defining borders and ensuring we know who's coming into our country. You have a fence around your house and outline your land. You have a door at your house to control who comes in. Why is it so wrong to want it the same for the country? Is it a ploy by Trump's opponent to pander to the Latino or shall I say Taco Bowl community? Yes, Taco Bowl is how the Democrat, the DNC refers to Latinos, second class citizens in their eyes that deserve no respect. Trump said Mexico will pay for the wall. They will. They owe us money. So instead of cashing in, they will build the wall. It's that simple. Okay. So did so either she got a YouTube and went down the algorithm and lost her mind or she all of her scams started failing. So she was like I'm clever enough to

right wing grift. I don't know. Yeah. No, no, that's I'm not. I'm not asking you. I'm saying that these are the possibility fair though. You know this post that really shows a shift from the previous post sure is in August 2016 and like the charity thing is a twenty eighteen twenty Oh, okay. It's later. Yeah. Okay. So this is this is sort of a prelogue to some of that. So I don't know, but I can't tell you what happened or why any of this is going on. Yeah, just that there's this trail and make of it what you will. Yeah, wild. This post is totally very different from her early writing, which I find very suspicious. It's also devoid of some of the thoughtfulness with which she previously approached the issue of medical interpreters.

Her analysis is now flat, completely nonsensical and following very dumb talking points like the idea that a border wall will stop Poppy from flooding in from Mexico and Canada. That's the trick. It's nonsense. No, that's the trick. That's what you do. You build a wall. There's also a rise in cruelty towards vulnerable groups that didn't appear before. Her previous posts contained empathy towards immigrants who face unique challenges in their lives here. Now she's ranting about stuff like this, quote, there should be no capital no discussion on this. Why not shut our borders down completely kick out all the illegal aliens keyword illegal, meaning not legal, meaning under law, meaning breaking the law. How hard

is the word illegal for someone to understand? Ooh, even though she probably thinks she's making a meaningful distinction by calling undocumented immigrants illegal, this really highlights what seems to be a complete change in her perspective. It's ugly. It's mean. And it would basically require an immigrant Gestapo just to put into place, which I guess she would be fine with. I don't know. Okay, so what don't people? Okay, Dan, Dan, Dan, Dan wrote this August 4th, 2016, August 1st, August 1st. And then in 2017, she scammed people out of money with an illegal charity according to the what don't people understand about the word illegal, yeah. In the lead up to the election, she was spinning all sorts of conspiracy

yarns about Trump. In one post, she says, quote, your vote counts. Remember, we're voting against dead people, legal immigrants, illegal immigrants and fictional people. By this point, it seems like she's fully descended into that frame. Yeah. On November 7th, 2017, she posted an entry titled quote, Maga movement a year later. In this installment, she veers into religious ideology about Trump. Quote, last year today, Franklin Graham asked people from around the globe to get together and pray for our president. I firmly believe that he was elected because people prayed. I don't care if you think prayers don't work. And then in all caps, yeah, but they did. This post is so then you do care. I guess the caps are weird. Yeah, this post is incredibly

convoluted and attempts to portray some kind of empathy towards others as being what making America great is all about. It's possible for an individual to think that I guess, but largely there's a disconnect between that mentality and Trump's policy decisions. Also in this post, I think Tory is advocating for businesses to pay higher taxes. Quote, businesses big or small must listen to their communities. They must take a position in putting their communities first. You can't ride a crest of the Maga movement without the boogie board, which is your contribution. Seems like higher taxes would be the most effective way to distribute those boogie boards, but I'm guessing that's probably not what you're saying. I don't think she was saying that, Dan.

No, but I maybe we should have higher taxes. What's missing from all of this previous writing is any indication of her alleged past working in secret intelligence contracting around the time when she's supposed to have been in college at the University of Kentucky. She spends all this time complaining and ranting about the Democrats and their meddling and trying to derail Trump. But there's no mention of John Brennan and not even the suggestion that she has firsthand experience with the very deep state forces that she's ranting about on her blog. If I had to guess, I would say that's probably because that stuff wasn't part of her narrative yet. This medium page contains what essentially appeared to be the writings of two different people,

but neither of them claim the backstory that Tory now claims. The first person you see is an educated person who cares passionately about immigrants receiving appropriate linguistic assistance. The second is a raving conspiracy lunatic. There's probably a cautionary tail in here, but for our purposes, the change is less important than the fact that her own writing seems to directly contradict and definitely does not support her current claims. Millie did literally none of the work that is involved in looking into her sources before repeating their claims, both about the Kentucky election and now about this bullshit, because Millie doesn't care about her work. She's very bad at this stuff. She's a liar by trade, and she's even trying to obscure the fact

that Tory, her expert witness here, was also the person that she based her story about the Kentucky elections on because she knows that that's bad. She knows that that wouldn't fly. That's very bad. Yeah. People are like, come on, man. Wow. Yeah. Wow. Yep. So Tory is a complicated sort of view that I get looking at the things that you're able to find about her. It's tough because you're sort of emotionally, your instinct is to think she's got fucked up by this information stream. Yeah. The algorithm gets people. Something happened, and it sent her down a terrible path, and that's certainly a possibility. We've seen people radicalize like that in the past. Sure. It's not outside the realm of possibility,

but I also think that that is probably a desire on our parts to have like an empathic reasonable explanation for what happened. Maybe there isn't an easy explanation. I have no idea, but that medium blog is upsetting. I'm just so mad at her right now, not for all of the lying that she's doing in the documentary, but that she in the same way Millie doesn't have the impetus or will or is just too lazy to do the barest minimum of journalism. She is too lazy to do the barest minimum of scrubbing your internet history before you start to become the source of a conspiracy theory documentary. That's basic. That's basic stuff. If you're going to create a mythology for yourself, do it. You know

yeah. Yeah, I don't. I don't know. I know that these go back into the past. They don't just start in twenty nineteen or twenty twenty or whatever. Yeah. Oh god. I hate it. It's it's it's weird. It's weird sloppy. It makes me a hundred percent not believe any of the stuff that she says about. I mean, I didn't believe it to begin with. No, of course not. I mean, if you're talking about like in 2008, you were in med school and you were trying to work as a language interpreter, which you were passionate about, right? Find it hard to believe that at the exact same time, like you are at the University of Kentucky. And then at the same time, you're supposedly working for a secret government contractor and infiltrating the Secretary of State

or in Virginia. Yeah, makes no sense. Also, I don't know like I saw that change.org petition that was making a claim of stolen valor and I don't know. I have no idea if she claims that she's been in the military and she very well may have. There's a there's a website where people can post their times that they were in the service and then try and find and connect with people that they served with. Oh yeah. Yeah. She has a page on there, but I don't know how much of that information is self generated. Sure. So I don't know, right? But I did use that to cross reference that the time that she was at the University of Kentucky, which is on her military meetup page. So that exists on there. Man, she is really not going to like how thorough and in-depth your

destruction of every part of her life is, but I also feel bad. I mean, but I don't fuck her. Certainly. Yeah. I feel bad if the like genesis of this is like sincerely what you suspect and it is somebody who got sucked down this radicalization pipeline. But how much of that is misplaced empathy for someone who is now according to the North Dakota Attorney General, actively scamming charity, right? Right. And being the centerpiece of bullshit propaganda infowars documentaries. So my empathy runs thin very fast. Yeah. But I don't know. It's tough because and I think maybe some of the empathy is based on like me thinking that she made some valid points in those early blog posts. Sure. Sure. Sure. And even some stuff that like, you know, you don't consider all that

much. It's not stuff that's talked about very widely. The needs that like people who are not proficient in English have in specialized situations. And it is probably a conversation that's relevant. People should, you know, I don't know exactly how much attention should be made. Yeah, but it's something relevant. Yeah. I mean, it's hard. It's it's it's always hard. I think regardless of any situation to see somebody with very clear potential to self emulate. Yeah. Like if I would have a lot more empathy for Millie if I looked into her and I found in the past that she had been like a champion in crusader or like labor rights. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. You have that beginning and like what happened? How did we get here? You know? Yeah. Yeah. And there but for the

grace of God go I because I empathize with the earlier version of her, which means that it's possible for me to turn into the later version of her. I suppose I wonder. I wonder if it is that sort of like kind of selfishly based. It might be. It could be. I don't know. It really could be. Anyway, I think we're analyzing this too much because she isn't. She didn't even scrub the media bay. Arrace the media bay. Jesus. So you get to talk in here. This is just like a patently false claim about Robert Storch, who is the he is the inspector general of the NSA. Millie makes a false claim about him and then Mike down for this because Tory says something that Millie should have fucking edited out that of the documentary.

Obama nominates Robert Storch, who is working as deputy IG of the DOJ under Horowitz at the same time. I'm Rob Storch and I'm honored to serve as the inspector general at the National Security Agency during the transition period from the Obama administration into the Trump administration. Storch appears to never have actually been confirmed by the Trump administration. How did this guy get confirmed? Not one person asked. Hey, have you ever worked for four? I mean, a couple months before they even had the hearing to see if he's going to be confirmed or not. Nobody asked him. Hey, did you buy any chance to get an offer from the president of Ukraine to work for them? It was all over the media, but not one person asked. You know who else helped

them set it up? Bill Taylor and George Kent, those two clowns also testified against the president. One of them has supersonic hearing across the room. So that's odd. That is odd. It's odd, damn. You should edit that out. I will tell you this right now. That's an odd thing. She's talking about that overheard phone call. Yeah. But the way she's describing it and the delivery makes it sound like she actually is saying that he has supersonic hearing. Yes. And I would have cut that out. Yeah, that would be smart. Also, what the fuck does Millie mean when she says quote Storch appears to have never been confirmed by the Trump administration? What does appears mean there? He appears to never have been confirmed. This is a concrete fact. You can look up as a

writer. Uh huh. Appears to never have been confirmed. Uh huh. Not a good, not a good. That's weasley language. Yeah, that's not good. Was the guy confirmed or not? Well, he appears to not have been confirmed. To whom? Me? Okay. Storch was the deputy inspector general at the DOJ beginning in March 2015. At the end of his term, Obama nominated him to become the inspector general of the NSA. And guess what? In June 2017, Donald Trump renominated Robert Storch to be the inspector general of the NSA. Sure, sure. He didn't have to do that. He could have nominated somebody else, but Trump renominated the dude. If you go to NSA.gov, it's super easy to find a press release dated December 22nd, 2017 that begins quote Admiral Michael S. Rogers, director of the National

Security Agency is pleased to announce the Senate confirmation of the president's nomination of Robert P. Storch as the inspector general for the National Security Agency. So what does Millie mean when she says it appears that he was never confirmed is from what I can tell it very much appears that he was confirmed and the Trump renominated him for the post appears to me that Millie is just talking shit to create a narrative here. It means nothing. That is what it would appear like to you because you googled it. However, where I not to Google it, it appears that he has not been concerned because I don't see it. Dan up here, right? So there you go. You brought up Cambridge Analytica earlier. Yeah, and it's interesting because Cambridge Analytica is really

where this thing hits the NOS really Cambridge Analytica comes up and this is where just like all right. Okay, so do they not know anything about Cambridge Analytica to the point where Cambridge Analytica used what bullshit they're saying the other team is using to get Trump elected? Ah, you're going to love this. Oh, God, damn it. I hate them. They were supposed to sway him because they were supposed to give up the goods to match the Russia hack. Why would they be running an IA operation that would be helping Trump win? Because that doesn't make sense when we know that General Jones is a Democrat and many of these people don't like Trump. So what gives? Well, because then we just make it look like Russia was running the Cambridge Analytica program too.

So here, if you're keeping track, this is what the narrative is now. Cambridge Analytica, God, you know who was running Cambridge Analytica. We know we know their names right right. We know where they live right right, but they got attached to the Trump campaign to attack Trump. See see Jordan a surreptitiously use nefarious means to get Trump elected in order to later later. They're able to blame the Russians for their nefarious activity, which would achieve the goal of making Trump not president, which you would only be because of their assistance. See it makes total sense. Dan Dan the urine balloon dream is not doing it right now dead. I am not doing well. This is a long walk. Oh man. A bit much. Wow. Yeah. So Jesus Cambridge Analytica, but also what's

weird about this is that they are fully accepting the Cambridge Analytica did all this shady shit to get Trump elected. So they're not really. So the shady shit isn't the problem. It's that they're not doing the shady shit the way. Well, I mean, obviously the shady shit isn't the problem. The other guy was like, yeah, that's what I would do. The shady shit is accepted and it's clearly the reason that Trump won according to this, even this documentary, but it was the globalists or whoever they attached the the Cambridge Analytica to Trump so that they could cheat to help Trump win. Sure. And then the cheating could later be blamed on Russians and then Trump would be impeached and then Pence will be president or something. I don't know who gets brilliant. This hurts the

brain. No, that's a very smart plan that has zero holes in it that would work 100% of the time. Now Jordan, here's where things get wild. This is where things get wild. Yes. So Cambridge Analytica was used to frame Trump in this in this universe. Yes. Now, that has some implications that are difficult to get around. Mike down for this. Cambridge Analytica was used to create the appearance that Russia conducted influence operations to help Trump win the 2016 election. Stone, Manafort, Davis, McCain, Jones, all of these people have been doing this for to my knowledge, a decade of my personal fact witness knowledge. They've been doing this for a decade prior to Trump even running for office. I met with Roger Stone at his table at a speaking

engagement that he did in Clearwater, Florida. And I asked Roger Stone at that time, are you, you know, did you work with, do you know Jim Jones? Did you work with Dynology? And he acknowledged his relationship and yeah, sure. I did ask, I asked him, fly it out. I said, did you use the shadow net? Did you know about it? He's like, no. Stone, leaving the Trump campaign early on, suggests candidate Trump didn't want his campaign tied to Stone's influence operations. What the fuck is happening? So apparently Roger Stone, not a hero now or something. If I know anything about the pattern that I've seen from Patrick Berge, I would suspect that when he said he met with Roger,

that means he paid for he paid for a meet and greet ticket or something. But an autograph and in the process asked him about shadow net and Roger said, what he harangued him probably for as long as he could. Meanwhile, Millie works with Roger. Is she trying to pretend that he hasn't worked at info wars for years? Like like what kind of conversation is this about? Like Roger Stone is somebody who is known to have worked with shadow net and Dynology and is associated with this stuff for 10 years and I a activities. Does that not raise the question of what he was doing at info wars? Shouldn't that be the next question? The next place that you take your if you're like this is unacceptable. We have reached Stone for

comment by which I mean I walked down the hallway and asked him what he and he refused to be a part of this documentary probably because it's too good. Yeah, he agreed to be on that PBS frontline but wouldn't return Patrick Berge's calls really odd. Yeah, so what's going on is in this sector of info wars world. Roger isn't the same as in other ones in this one. He's more of a character where we're yeah. Yeah, we're dealing with Marvel Universe kind of shit. Yeah, we're in different. Yeah, we're in different time in this section. Roger is either a bad guy. Maybe probably not though. He's probably a good guy, but he didn't know that he was being set up by these globalists were using II a right to attach people like Roger and Paul Manafort to Trump's campaign,

which would then later be used to impeach Trump or something. Anyway, Manafort. He's going to look at you angrily for a while now. I deserve it. I apologize to you at the beginning of this episode. No, I know, but now it's real bad. So Manafort. Yeah, he's an asset side group through Paul Manafort submitted a proposal to Trump campaign. Now Trump's campaign rejected the proposal. I love that man, right? That's why I keep voting for him. Because even when he's given the opportunity to do that, he rejected it. The Trump campaign must have known the Dems would try to use anything against them. Trump must have sensed that the offer for influence operations was a honey trap to set him up. Well, do you think that the reason they attached Manafort

to Trump's campaign, because that was kind of later, right? Attached him on to there. Do you think it's because they were trying to frame up Trump? Yes, because they failed with their IAA is him. Yeah, I definitely would say that Manafort was an asset. Whether or not he fully understood what his role was, you know, might they might have lied to him about what is true, what their true intentions were. Oh, great. So now it looks like all the criminals that Trump surrounded himself weren't actually the people he chose and like they were people embedded in his campaign secretly by some vague and shadowy group. They did it. They made Manafort his campaign manager. Trump is perfect. I tell you, all of these giant fuck ups are machinations of the evil globalists

who we weirdly aren't calling globalists in this documentary. Also, between the election and Trump's inauguration in early January 2017, both Michael Flynn and Steve Bannon reportedly met with General Ahmad al-Asiri, a Saudi intelligence chief, and Joel Zamal, the head of Cy Group, as reported in The Daily Beast, which is the group that he's saying turned down Trump turned down. Yeah, another article in The Daily Beast about the Mueller investigation includes this quote, Cy Group employees told The Daily Beast that they have been interviewed by the FBI, which asked about two Republicans other than Gates, who had made overtures from Trump world to Cy Group in 2016, both represented themselves as members of Trump's inner circle. I don't know,

but it kind of sounds like there's more connections than just Paul Manafort being installed in the campaign in order to frame Trump. It seems kind of like a bunch of people associated with Trump were interested in Cy Group. I don't know if reality is exactly except this film is talking about his straight bullshit. You know, Dan, yesterday at the memorial service, I told you before the show, the pastor who is doing the service gave a real long awful for the wages of sin is death kind of Bible reading. No, it's not. It's the whole thing. And so I've been thinking about the Bible and my relation to it for a while since then. And listening to this documentary, I was thinking if Millie were there, I don't think Jesus would have said he who is without

sin may cast the first stone. I think he would have been like, at this time, you will get him next time. We're going to do the turn the other cheek thing next time. But this time you present an interesting thought experiment. I would say that as tough as it is for you listening to this please please pity me. I have no pity. I watched this multiple times. Look, you made me do this. That's a fair you were allowed to say yes or no. Look, there's bad people on both sides of this table. All right, that's fair. I won't cast dispersions or stones. So Millie has an interesting question for Tory here. And that is, all right, if these operations, the IAA operations were supposed to ensnare Trump, why didn't they just run ones to get Hillary elected? And this is a dumb

dumb answer. Explain this to me. So why wouldn't they just focus their efforts on running IAA operations to get Hillary in office? Good question. Oh, they did. Are you kidding? They deployed everything from censoring shadow banning to dismissals to full blown mockingbirds. I mean, that's where we saw the real face of the press. So I don't understand why these psychological operators would be deploying intense psychological operations for conflicting goals, like goals that aren't like complimentary to each other at all. And one of them they don't want to achieve apparently you are. You are telling me with a straight face. She's got a straight face. Does she not? Is she smiling? Is this documentary like a joke that if you only listen to auditorily,

you'll be you won't get it because they're too deadpan? I think so. I think someone's laughing because someone's as the British say, taking the piss. All right, explain to me why you would have government agencies. The same government agencies contractors working simultaneously against each other. Well, it's the same people working against themselves for unclear goals. So I don't know, dude, look, it's really difficult to understand why anyone would ever operate this way outside of a comic book. Yeah, but Patrick Berge comes in to clear it up a little bit. Oh, thank you. I need some clarification here. He seems to think that the goal is to get Pence elected, basically. What would be the point of like, making Hillary out of the equation to then get Trump in to then

want to just impeach him? Good question, because he wasn't their choice. These people hate Trump. He's a jackass. So we're talking about at the time, you know, that would just make Pence in charge. Well, which Pence? You think John McCain would have rather had Pence in charge? I think Lindsey Graham would rather have Pence. Lindsey Graham was so frustrated with Trump, Trump, he took his phone and smashed it on YouTube, because Trump gave out his phone number. Trump drove that man crazy. What a totally irrational response to be mad at someone who gives out your cell phone on television. Yeah, that dude's nuts. That dude's crazy. Yeah. I would say that based on the level of control and nefarious dealing that they're describing these people

of being capable of, the simple solution would have been to run Pence and perform IIA operations in order to support him winning the presidency. Or if you don't want Pence, run Kasich, run anybody, like you can't have it both ways. You can't. Oh, yes, you can. You can't have these people capable of these magical otherworldly control. And then also like the easy fix to the salute, like all of these problems have been like, oh, they should have chosen somebody else, but they couldn't because Trump was so much more powerful than the IIA thinks. Oh, was he? Yeah. Okay. Okay. Why did they need to embed Cambridge Analytica? Here's what this documentary accidentally proves. Trump is so bad at everything he does that in order to at the very least make him appear

competent. Yeah. You have to go to these lengths. Yes. Yes. That is true. That is what it proves. Trump is so bad. These people are killing their own brains trying to make him a good guy. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So now we get to the beginning of some weird claims on Tory's part. Don't say three hours in that we get to the beginning. Well, I'm gonna hit you. There's a series of weird claims that she makes. And one of them is that she was in possession of parts of the DNC server that got her. Sure, of course. They went as hard as they could. Stone the same thing. They went with nothing. Like, look, Mueller called him in, right? For these emails and talking about WikiLeaks. When I had her actual portions of the DNC, like even Mueller knew I had it. Okay. That's quite a

claim. That's that. That's quite a claim. I'm going to need something on that, which is not provided. I mean, you could even just take a picture of a random search. Sure. Why not? That would be better than just saying it. Take a picture of a fucking cloud outside. Take a picture. Take up it. You can take it. You can fake this. They're so lazy. I don't. I don't care for this. I'm going to need more. I want to. I want to hire a class of criminal, Dan. Yeah. So, uh, Bergey seems mad. This is also just in his sort of pattern here. Why did Mueller never call me back when I went to him and told him about all this information? I know why.

In 15 minutes. Every one of these people are so corrupt. It's not even funny. I have a hunch as to why people would not call you back. I wouldn't. There is sometimes, you know, this goes beyond a cigar is just a cigar. This goes beyond that to just fundamental. Like I have a foot like we're in situations. We're dealing with object permanence. That's what we're dealing with here. Not even the acknowledgement of what an object is. Here's the way I hear this stuff about Bergey is complaints about how people interact with him. He seems to think that he has the goods on everything and all this and no one takes him seriously because he talks to them and they're

like, Oh, there's no credibility to this at all. I don't need to look into this for a minute. And they're like, Oh, no, that doesn't check out. This is like me being like insisting that I have the best three point shot in the world. And as a 36 year old person, I keep going to talk to basketball teams in the NBA and none of them will sign me. And it's a conspiracy because they don't want me to take over the three point game. Yeah, absolutely. They know that my beard and my like like I'm old. Hey, it wouldn't be good. It wouldn't be marketable. It's against the narrative for them. Right. They don't want me coming in there and wrecking shop from downtown. And so every time I call it like, dude, I called the fucking Utah Jazz. Yeah, they wouldn't have

me. Yeah, I called the ages and a problem. Vince Carter played until he's dead. Exactly. It sounds that way to me. It's like, okay, I get I get you because of sort of a twisting in your thinking believe that that's accurate. Yes, but as an external observer, I'm seeing no evidence that you do in fact have a 100 percent. Yeah, downtown jump shot. Yeah, that's maybe that is your perception could be and maybe these teams aren't interested in signing you for very valid reasons like you don't know how to dribble man. Have you heard what some of these people say? And you think that they're not there do inside for you? Oh, my God. I can't breathe, Dan. This is very hard. So Millie gets back to talking about the the the

passport hack. And I got some problems from CGI's involvement in the passport fiasco in 2008 to CGI involved in the Mueller investigation. We see how contractors have the ability to both perform and clean up their own dirty work. We already discussed this, but in case you forgot, CGI was not involved in the passport issue back in 2008. That was Stanley Incorporated, which was acquired by CGI two years later. Millie is trying to make a big deal out of their fingerprints being in two places, but at least one of those places she's misreporting. I have no idea what specific claims are being made about CGI's intersection with the Mueller investigation. But considering that they're an insanely diversified company that brings in an

annual revenue of over $10 billion, I bet it's not outside the realm of possibility that they provided some kind of it or systems consulting or something. There's some subsidiary, unless Millie can be more specific about what they did and why it's suspicious. I'm not going on a wild goose chase. At this point, I should probably say I'm not going on another wild goose chase because my dude chased a lot of geese in the last 48 hours. I'm sick of geese. So Tori, we've already heard her say that she had a piece of the DNC server. And here she gets into talking about how that came to be. And this is where we dovetail into Seth Rich. I think it's about time people understand what happened. And I've made it no secret that I know what happened. So Seth Rich worked for the

DNC. He was asked, just like I, he was asked, hey, why don't you go image the DNC server right there since you're there for us? And he uploaded it where he was told. So he uploaded it where he was supposed to. There were a lot of me's that saw these meeting group of friends that I have where we sit and talk string theory and predictive analytics. Sure. So we find this and it's like, whoa, treasure trove copied. And we fractioned it. So that way we can download it because it was so massive. It's a server. That's what happened. So she was watching the upload of it and mirrored it and downloaded fractioned parts of the DNC server. I don't believe any of this. All I see is in my head is the image of like some hefty older guy behind a big desk,

eating a hoagie for lunch. And he just looks over and he's like, hey, why don't you go download some of that DNC stuff? Yeah. All right. Okay, I'll see you guys later. Now, across the country, Tori hanging out talking string theory with her friends. Man, you heard about string theory. It's like there's a bunch of strings. I got a theory about strings. They don't exist. Only ropes. Oh, rope theory. There's absolutely zero evidence provided of her claims and everything I've been able to tell about Tori so far. She's not someone I'm going to accept an extravagant claim from without proof. Also, if I understand the timeline on this, the DNC hack happened on like June 2016. So we can put this on Tori's timeline as being

after her writings about linguistic needs for immigrants and just prior to her trying to rip off people with the fake charity Christmas concert. What I'm saying is I need proof and I don't see it. Yeah. That's such a thing that people like her say to sound super smart. Like, oh, we're around discussing string theory. Like they're the fucking Algonquin round table. Right. Calm down, Dorothy Park. Shut up. Shut up. What do you know about string? Get the fuck out of here. That'd be a good follow-up question. Yeah. Tell me literally one thing about string theory. Well, string theory had nothing to do with Seth Rich. Okay. Well, that's one thing. I can tell you that. That's one thing. So here's her feelings about that case. And so when he saw that they had retroactively

changed things. Seth Rich, that is. Yeah. Stories and the rumors going in, seeing the Bernie Sanders elections were being stolen. The DNC was all about Hillary, not about real elections. I mean, yeah, he came in contact with a guy named Sean Lucas. But we did make contact with somebody from the Democratic National Committee's office, and they've been served. Democracy has prevailed today. So they decided, oh, yeah, maybe we can get it out to someone else. And it was not to Julian Assange Direct. Okay. And both of those guys are dead. In a bizarre twist of events on August 2, less than one month after serving the subpoena, Lucas was reported dead. Dun dun. Seth Rich was killed on July 11, 2016. That same month,

the video went viral of a guy named Sean Lucas serving the DNC with papers regarding a lawsuit. Lucas had nothing to do with the actual lawsuit. He was just a process server whose job was to deliver papers. Yeah, he's either you serve. Yeah, Sean worked for one source process incorporated, which is a paper serving company in DC. The video may have been celebrated by anti Clinton folks as a shot across the bow, but the dude in the video wasn't involved in the actual suit as much as they might have wanted to pretend. Yeah. On August 2, Lucas passed away and the conspiracy crowd got cooking. This was naturally yet another Clinton murder case closed. In November, the chief medical examiner in Washington DC confirmed that Lucas's death had been an accident and

had been the result of him mixing drugs, including fentanyl and psycho benzoprene, which is a muscle relax. Yeah, Tori is telling an intriguing tale, but it's kind of short on evidence. I'm going to need some of that. Any of that if I'm going to entertain this shit when you say kind of fair enough. Yeah, but I mean, it's it's a fun spy novel. If it wasn't real people's lives that she's not a fun spy novel, Dan. It's a really boring, annoying spy novel that I hate. You're not wrong about that. Yeah. And there's also trends that just that are just impossible to ignore. Like we're seeing Patrick Bergey talk about how when I saw the protests in Ferguson, I knew this was IIA stuff and then I knew it. Traced Black Lives Matter to Ukraine or something. Sure.

And here we have another accusation that he has about IIA operations. What you've seen with the recent riots surrounding George Floyd's death. From your perspective, does that look like an IIA operation? Absolutely. Nothing feels natural about what's going on. More stuff is fake and fabricated right now in the news than what's actually real. That's so weird. Another social protest event is happening, seeking to address issues that primarily affect non-white people. And Patrick Bergey just cannot understand how any of this is happening organically. It just doesn't make sense. It's got to be an elaborate plan to trick these people into protesting, he says. You notice that this kind of thinking doesn't get directed at certain other

types of gatherings. The Unite the Right rally isn't being called IIA. The giant gun weirdo event that rally in Virginia from earlier this year isn't IIA. That dumbass straight pride parade isn't IIA. The social gatherings and movements that feed into these people's ideologies are seen as authentic because it makes sense to them that people would be motivated to protest around something like that. For issues that don't touch their lives personally, things get a little too abstract. And this is the only way that some people like Patrick Bergey can contextualize those things. It's so silly. You're so stupid for thinking that a cop murdering a black man in cold blood on video as people watch. And he said, I'm dying and they did nothing. Why would anybody

protest that? I don't know. Probably IIA. Yeah. But on the other hand, if somebody might intimate that gun control is a good idea, obviously you protest with guns. Obviously you storm the state house. Yeah, with guns. Yeah, with guns. So Millie realizes, you know, hey, this stuff, this IIA, it's like the fucking around, you know, it's kind of like the that movie Wag the Dog. Oh, God. So she mentions Wag the Dog, of course. And then Tori says something that disturbed me deeply. It's like the movie Wag the Dog, quite literally. Oh, you know, movies tell a lot of stories. And it's almost as if they're making fun of us. They made fun of Alex Jones when he used to. Oh, I was going to say, you used past tense. I mean, I guess that's just the term he was using.

But if you actually look what he was pointing out in a lot of instances was IIA operations. So all these like, yeah, first of all, still make fun of Alex Jones will continue to for the foreseeable future. Oh, yeah. And Millie, please step back and analyze the things that Alex has called false flags and see if they those hold up to more critical analysis, things like the Boston bombing or Sandy Hook. Go ahead and really chew on on that stuff. Now, I think what's more important is how terrifying it is the idea that that Tori thinks that movies are making fun of her. Yeah, I know that Alex thinks that there's all this like pre addictive programming and movies are communicating things. I don't know why but the framing of it is they're making fun of us

is like a little sadder to me. It's a bummer. It's a little narcissistic to me, but it's also it's also like it makes me feel sad. Yeah. Anyway, so the like all these false flag things that Alex has talked about are really just this IIA stuff. Although 9 11 was a false flag according to Alex and those six years before the IA memo. So I don't know. Anyway, who cares? None of that's important. All these false flags are really just IIA. Alex just didn't know the term for it. I was going to say, but especially while you were talking about Alex's like I think I was like Alex's false flags don't hold up to your documentary. Nope. Nope. But that's all IIA stuff. Sure. And hey, you know, it's hacking reality. Now, as this clip goes on, you'll see the reason that

Millie, if she thought that she was being arrested and believed the stuff that's in this documentary, she should never get in that car if she had the opportunity to flee out the back of the house. Oh, she's dead. Well, not dead, but she's screwed. But he didn't know the term IIA. So it would be easier for people to understand someone's hacking your reality. Because now in this day and age of computing, that makes more sense to people. They understand it. Oh, hack my reality. You mean change the way I see things. And that is exactly what an IIA is. It's just that it's software turning out, Oh, you need to do this to get this outcome, kind of like using that shadow net in the DC courts and saying, Oh, prosecutor, you want him to go to jail and you want a guilty verdict?

We're going to have to pull it out. And then when a pool of jury people come, all of them are potential to give you a guilty verdict. So then you pick from all the people that will give you a guilty verdict. So there's no chance that you'll win. And even Matt Whitaker said that on my on my show, he said the judges are corrupt. That's a major problem for the justice system. If people are able to use that technology in jury selection, to be able to predict who's going to, you know, throw their vote a certain way. Is anyone stopping them? That's a major problem right? It is. And Roger Stone with this commutation will solve it because this is where it all comes to the surface. Oh, boy. So there's a convoluted narrative about

Roger Stone that I'm not sure if he's I don't care. Look, the issue is this is this is unhinged. Yeah, no, that's insane. That's just insane. They're using this technology in order to pick jury pools that will guarantee whatever outcome to it. So basically all the underpinnings of every piece of our society are just under control, right? I mean, she can't possibly hope to go and get a trial for whatever these charges are guilty. She's guilty. They're going to stack the jury totally from the pool even. Yeah, before we even get there. Yeah, they're all yeah. It's predetermined outcomes to every league. So every legal decision, every quarter thing is up for grabs and probably fucking fake to begin with. Nothing's real. Everything is all

just bad. It's all this magic shadow net. I feel like she's making fun of me. Wagon the dog. So here, Tory says something that's just absolutely not true about Trump. If people knew just how bad it is, think about how many things he's changing and how much money they're taking. I mean, think of all the money they're going to lose in contracting. He's stopped the clearances. Remember, once you're out, now we pull your clearance. He did that, remember? So now all the future generals or all the future intelligence community persons don't get to use their clearance if you're out. It's finished. That's absolutely not true. Yeah, that's what Trump did was a politically motivated attack and threat against political opponents.

There you go. In August 2018, Trump revoked security clearance for John Brennan and indicated that he was considering action on the clearance status of various people who have been critical of his administration. It's very clear this was retaliatory in action in nature. Now, Tory is taking this story and exaggerating it to being a case where Trump said that once you leave your post, you lose your security clearance, which is complete fiction. If it's not, I would welcome her to provide evidence that Trump did this, but I'm not going to hold my breath. One of the issues here is a misunderstanding of what security clearance even is. If you have top secret clearance, that doesn't just mean that you're able to access whatever top secret

material you want. You would still need to be employed in a job where access to that material is required. Having security client clearance is essentially the equivalent of being screened to be eligible to gain access to certain levels of classified material. It's pre approval TSA, more or less. Yeah. To actually access said material, you need a reason and authorization. People like Millie and Tory seem to operate in this world where having top secret clearance is like James Bond having a license to kill. John Brennan can be years removed from being in any position in the government, but because he has top secret clearance, they imagine he still has access to all this confidential shit, which may not be the case. Do you know what? Do you know

what this is? This reminds me exactly of the movie Red with Bruce Willis. Did you ever, I don't know if anybody ever saw, but at one point in the movie, they break into Langley or whatever because that's not hard. And then they get down into the super secret basement where there's a vault with a I hear the first marriage in it. I don't know, but it's just this old dude who's called the record keeper. Oh, sure. And you can walk in there and there's the records of everything that's ever been done and you can just walk in. This movie sounds bad. Yeah, it is bad, but in a way it's great. Tony, I don't even want to deal with it. Okay. Yeah, I'll not watch it. Yeah. Do you continue not watching it? Thank you. Yeah, I appreciate your approval. Am I not

watching it? So we're coming towards the end here. So Millie is trying to synthesize some of this stuff. And so she's established basically that these contracting groups, primarily Dynology and I guess the advice. I'm not even worried about names anymore. The John Brennan one and the Jones one is just right. Yeah. And then the Canadian global information, which isn't a real thing. They have all of this. They've made this shadow net that they're able to do all everything with based on misunderstandings of upstream data collection that she's taking from imaginations of two weirdos. Right. And now we're going to get into pivoting that into robots. The future is going to involve robot policing that's informed by all of this shadow net technology.

So we're in going to be honest. I miss when the road was the biggest problem. I do miss the road being our big bad guy. Yeah. Yeah. So Millie has found a report from Interpol. This is the biggest and boldest move towards the ultimate surveillance state ever made and it's near completion. Micromanaging this technology on a global scale would require integrating it with artificial intelligence. Imagine artificial intelligence autonomously operating the shadow net and clear force. Interpol's I'm imagining publication artificial intelligence and robotics for law enforcement reveals we are already there. Quote, although films such as minority report and Robocop may not present the most attractive depiction of the future of advanced technologies in law

understanding how these technologies can be applied by law enforcement agencies for the safety and security of our global community is of critical importance. So I found this report that Millie is talking about. And maybe it was because I was tired and serious slap happy and punch drunk. But I laughed out loud when I saw that the quote that she's reading is literally from the first paragraph of the forward of. Oh my God. I'm assuming that she read that sentence and was like fuck. Yeah, they just named some movies. My work here is done. Cluck out. Yeah. That is amazing. Funny to me. Oh my God. So this report had to do with the fundamental truth that the writers and collaborators were recognizing and that is that as technology

evolves, so do the criminal uses of technology. Consider hacking or the black markets that are on the dark web. These things are naturally going to exist as people who want to commit crimes are able to leverage technological advances. If that's true, which I think it is law enforcement has a couple of options. The first is to be actively engaged with technologies as they evolve and adapt strategies to fit with changing times. The second is to just seed the ground to the criminal use of various emerging technologies. Seems kind of dumb. The report includes a lot of considering. There's also participating in those very evil evil actions. That's sort of like a one B. Yeah. Yeah. The report includes a lot of considerations that will end up coming up as a

result of technological advancement. For instance, if we're to assume that robots are going to be used for patrols and surveillance capabilities, then quote as this occurs, it will be necessary to address privacy concerns associated with these technologies, including issues such as when and where it's permissible to use sensors. One of the main sections of this report covers how central ethics questions are in the conversation about the use of robotics and AI in law enforcement. So yeah, there are some really messy issues ahead in terms of technological advancement and the society that we've built, particularly in terms of the way that some of the existing structures end up being modernized. It's hard and automation is another area where these questions become super

tough. But for people like Millie to point at this inner pole report and read one sentence out of it while pretending that the report itself doesn't raise these serious ethical concerns, that's cheap. It's lazy and it's dishonest. She is not pretending. You would have to have read the thing to then pretend that it did not mean I mean she's misrepresenting that she's read it. Exactly. They're pretty clear in this report about this being challenging terrain quote law enforcement also has the unique advantage to be discussing these issues before the use of AI and robotics becomes a common feature in law enforcement. If this opportunity is ignored and AI and robotics are used in law enforcement without fairness, accountability, transparency and explainability,

then the law enforcement community risks losing the confidence of the communities and citizens that it's mandated to protect. Shut up. I understand you're laughing. I understand you're laughing, but all right. I saw a line of cops mashing their batons on their riot shields, walking and then beating protesters. Right. I think we're there. I understand what you're saying. But and in the real world, I'm probably closer to your perspective than, you know, than not. Yeah. But in terms of what we're looking at with what Millie is reporting and what this document says, you can scoff and be like, I don't trust that at all. But I find that to be affirming the negative as opposed to

looking at what's actually being said. Sure. Millie saying, yeah, I'm not saying you're wrong to do that. I just clunkily pushed back on it and I felt the need to explain myself. You're doing great. Very tired. Yeah, me too. We're on our 10 of this documentary. Hey, it's been a while since we did a documentary. It's been a while. Usually we plan ahead. This kind of fell in our laps because we got arrested and I realized like, okay, we have to talk about that to talk about it. And I don't want to talk about the arrest for a whole episode. So we got to talk about what is being pretended to be behind it. Exactly. As soon as I started watching it, I was like, okay, I either have to actually cover most of this or I have to just say in one sentence, it's dumb.

There is no middle ground there. No, I might have chosen the wrong approach. We'll see. Anyway, Millie has found a dynology patent that she's going to misrepresent as being part of all of this stuff. Short from a major PR rollout, there is an international push for autonomous law enforcement to remove the human factor. Several features of the Interpol program indicate that they are using an iteration of shadow net and clear force technology. This March 2017 United States patent issued to Jim Jones, the third and clear force spells it out quote systems and methods for electronically monitoring to determine potential risk. This patent that Millie has pulled up is being represented dishonestly. You can tell with that

creepy voiceover that she wants to highlight the word humans, but that's actually the one word she's deceiving the audience about. So what she's done is she's taken the word employees and replaced it with humans in that weird voice. Sure, that makes sense. Yeah. If you read the actual patent, it does seem creepy, but it's essentially a platform that employers can use to monitor their employees on network actions, which will also update with any alerts from legal public databases like arrest reports for things that might make you suspicious of your employees. I'm opposed to this, but there's a lot of labor management relations stuff that I'm opposed to. And these matters are wholly unrelated to the conspiracy that Millie is trying to spend totally. I welcome

Millie to champion workers rights, but I strongly doubt we'll be hearing that anytime soon. So let's just move along. Yeah. Also, this patent from 2017 is just an updating of their existing patent from 2015 titled quote system and method for detecting an employee related risk. Great. So she even did a sloppy job on that. Yeah, great. Good work. Now we get to where she's kind of wrapping things up and making unjustified conclusions. And I'm just whoo whoo nearly. Given that leftist organizations managed by momentum, which is behind the defund the police movement. And given that momentum has been connected to IIA operations, the case can be made that Jones and Co are running the defund the police influence operation simply because they

are in a position to benefit by offering an alternative solution that is already in line with the Green New Deal agenda. Robot cops. This is completely baseless. And that's why she's saying an argument can be made. Jones is running the defund the police stuff because he's going to replace everybody with robots. I am now going to throw a balloon filled with fire at her. I don't know if that would work. I think the balloon material would have trouble. You'd have trouble with that. I understand. I'm thinking of plants. I understand they make as much sense as anything that she said. Oh, I definitely think that dynology has a patent for that. And I found that you're good. If you are thinking that momentum is a name that's coming out of

nowhere and the defund the police stuff, you're right. It's disconnected. It's just being thrown in. I don't know. Great. Anyway, here is how the documentary ends, which is just incredibly unsatisfying. It makes very little sense. And she just decides to, you know, throw in the UN and throw in the sunrise. What are you? What are you lazy? You got to throw the UN. Of course. Furthermore, this technology is behind the push for police abolition defunding law enforcement and replacing it with smart justice. Given we have seen IIA shadow net technology implemented by the socialist Democrats and sunrise movement who are using it to push for police abolition. This political movement is deeply connected to the UN who is partnered with Interpol to corral

us into the artificial intelligence and robotics for law enforcement direction. That's the end of the documentary. That's it. Yep. That's the end. Yep. Did she run out of tape? I guess she thought the point was made. That's not that's the point that she did it. I mean, I go back to like looking at the questions from the what if I were to tell you at the beginning, I was going to say, did that close off the thesis statement that we were working towards? If I were her, I would be so embarrassed that I put something out that said Canadian global intelligence. Like is what CGI stands for? I would take it. I would be so like, no. Like there have been a couple of times that I have made slight errors on the podcast that I

realize like after I have put out the episode. You have texted me at like four in the morning. Yes, I have fucked up. I fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or even just like little tiny considerations where like things are factually accurate, but like maybe I said a name and I shouldn't said the name. Sure. So I'll not be able to sleep until I get out of bed, bleep the name and repost the episode because it's important. And when you make a fuck up, it's so like like just basic and pointless like CGI stands for Canadian global information. And you repeatedly say it. That alone is like, please, and all the other myriad problems and just like really substantive misrepresentations, factual inaccuracies. This thing is trash. The like convoluted and

contradictory backstories of both of the people that she has as experts, the contra contradictions and conflicts of interests that exist with Tory as her unnamed source. Yeah. Like not bringing up that she was the source in the Kentucky thing, which she but she does bring up the Kentucky thing. That's dicey. It's like unethical as hell. There is just there is nothing worthwhile about this documentary. And I would further suggest that there's nothing in this documentary that could ever merit arrest. I don't think I see. I mean, until lying is well. Decency. Taste. There are crimes against taste for sure. Yeah. But here's the thing I think about is like, okay, so you know, the most generous interpretation, I guess someone would have is that in the process

of making this dangerous ass documentary, she stole documents and that's what the burglary was, right? And then all the other charges are trumped up or something. That's the idea. There is nothing in this documentary that is stolen. And the only information that could be even like really generously interpreted that way is stuff that comes from Bergy and Tory. And neither of them got arrested. And they very easily could have been their known people. So I I reject the possibility that there's any connection to her arrest. And what I'm going to do, I did this on purpose. I wanted to on for our Monday episode completely focus on the actual documentary itself. Yeah, because I knew that doing more would just be unwieldy. Even this is

kind of unwieldy. It's 100% unwieldy. So I haven't even watched Alex's coverage of this. Yeah, as we're recording this, I don't know what he's saying. Yeah, but I'm sure it's bullshit. Here's Wednesday, we will go over Alex's coverage of it, which will be a little bit easier to do, especially because by that point, we'll get theoretically she'll be out of prison by then or jail holding cell. And so we'll be able to better better do that. So apologies if people were expecting like Alex's response to the arrest. I don't know what it is. I don't care. I've watched this documentary too many times. It's taken up too much of my time. How dare Millie Weaver make Alex look like a good documentarian?

Well, I would say, I mean, and this isn't, I don't want to sound sexist because I make the same complaints about like John Bowne and Greg Reese. Like it's just terrible voiceover. Like it's very hard to listen to her as Alex is really good at voiceover. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. He knows how to sell these things in the context of the documentary. So yeah, it's not that her voice is terrible. No, it's that the well the writing is garbage and the delivery is bad to delivery is bad. Yeah. The other thing too is that I think Alex is a little more. No, he's not more careful with his subject matters. Absolutely not more interview is one of his right, but he doesn't say that. Yeah, that's true when he made like end game,

but I'm thinking of like interview subjects because in end game, we still talk to like big Jim Tucker who like worked for the fucking spotlight. Yeah, yeah, bad. That's not good. And then you got like Daniel Estolin, who's nuts. I mean, yeah, so I mean like it's still talking to crazy people and trying to present them as credible experts. So it suffers from the same problems, but I think the production values are much better on Alex. I think Rob Jacobson back when he was around was probably a really good editor. Yeah, I think and I think that probably his touch helped the values of that a lot. And Gavin Wintz Millie's husband edited this and I don't I don't think it was very well done. Yeah, so I mean from a

content standpoint, I guess I would say boo out of 10 as an entertaining documentary, I would say zero out of 10. Yeah. Yeah. As a thing that made me laugh a couple times, one out of 10. Yeah. Yeah, I would give it a couple laughs. They were yeah. Yeah. But I got a couple giggles. This sucks. I'm sorry, Jordan. I apologize to you at the beginning of this, but it was required that we do it. Yeah, I'm sorry to you again, but we made it through and now you can go home and take a nap. I know I'm dead. I'm gonna go home and die. Yeah. And now I will be up all night. Get this episode out for the people, but it is our duty. Yep. Oh boy. Anyway, Jordan, we'll be back. But will we maybe not? Is this the one that doesn't

stay tuned Wednesday to see if we will survive the night? If we do. Yeah, as I quote Alex Jones, Lord willing, we'll be back. Yeah, but we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. Twitter. We are on Twitter. Is that knowledge on this for a fight? And I go to bed, Jordan. We are Facebook. If you'd like to show guys just really feel and if you can, please find a local charity or bail fund, especially if you're in Chicago right now to help the people doing God's work. Yes, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX. Clark. I'm the Daryl Rundis. I have supersonic hearing and it's kind of weird. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first-time

color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.