Knowledge Fight - #501: November 7-8, 2020
Episode Date: November 11, 2020Today, Dan and Jordan track the "79 Days of Hell" on The Alex Jones Show. In this installment, Alex has decided the election has been stolen, but maybe not all hope is lost. Also, the gents get really... excited for the next step of Owen Shroyer's career.
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Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
I'm Dan.
I'm Jordan.
We're couple dudes.
Like sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
Jordan.
Dan.
Jordan.
I have a quick question for you.
Sure.
What's your bright spot today?
My bright spot today.
Now spoiler alert to everybody out there listening.
We just recorded our bright spots and realized that it was not recorded.
Had not started the recording yet.
The thing had not recorded.
It's crucial to record it.
I hit the button.
I hit the button.
You just start recording.
I'm not saying that I didn't.
I'm not saying that I disbelieve you.
Here are our bright spots with each other for a second time.
So if any of this sounds insincere.
It's a little bit weird to do it twice in a row.
There were some great riffs.
Totally.
You guys missed out on gold.
Now I feel like I can't bring any.
Oh, God.
No, it's tough to bring the same energy.
I know.
Anyway, my bright spot is world music.
Actually, on the second time, that is funnier.
It's not that funny.
I'm just worried like I told you earlier on the first time.
I'm worried that I'm becoming my parents because they used to have a lot of interest in a lot
of music from around the world.
Particularly this band, Yuthu Yindi, which is a lot of synth and also tribal sounds from
Oceania.
It was a running joke throughout our family.
I was on Spotify getting some work done for the episode.
I like to put on music in the background while I'm researching and reading up on stuff.
I always like to see what you got.
They know what I've listened to.
Let's see if you can hit a home run.
I don't trust nobody.
There was some music from Malawi that ended up coming up.
I really, really enjoyed it.
I'm worried this is going to set me off on a path of just getting into all sorts of stuff
from around the world.
Sure.
There's nothing ever.
Nothing.
No, no, no.
Orchestra Baobab is great.
You should try them out.
They're fantastic.
Right in this down.
Yeah.
There's all kinds of great African music.
I think it's a little bit cliche to reference them because they're probably, or maybe not.
Maybe no one has any idea about them except for in the weird circles that I live in.
That might be.
Oh, it's so cliche to reference orchestra Baobab.
You know the thing everyone knows about.
I mean, on one of our bonus episodes, we did talk about your love of really obscure music.
You can't tell who knows what.
I have no idea.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So this might be a new little bit of an auditory adventure for me.
I'm excited to embark on it and find out what the rest of the world has to offer in terms of sounds.
A lot of great music out there.
Awesome.
What about you?
What's your bright spot?
My bright spot, Dan, is Assassin's Creed Valhalla.
It's a fantastic game.
I enjoyed it.
I want to say that I already knew that the first time around.
You already knew that before I had even said it the first time.
Right.
Now it's the second time I'm totally not sure.
Twice is more not interested.
Not bored.
Just not surprised.
You even already know the story that my bright spot is.
So it's not even an interesting story.
But I also knew that because you texted me about it.
Exactly.
The first time I recorded it.
All of this is terrible for you.
All right.
You're bored by it.
My bright spot is a video game.
Is that what you wanted to hear, Dan?
No, I'm thrilled for you because it's been a long time coming.
You're very excited about this game and as you should be.
It's my favorite series.
And I originally ordered it.
I found out on the ninth that my copy wouldn't arise.
I ordered a physical copy like a moron.
Right.
And you're a man of a certain age.
It wouldn't arise.
Yes.
I have reached that time.
Your console age.
Cartridge age.
Cartridge age.
I still blow on the DVDs just in case.
Smart.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's very smart.
Yeah.
No.
And it wasn't going to show up until the 17th.
So on the ninth, I was like, fuck this.
It was seven o'clock.
It wasn't.
It was going to be available at 11.
So I scrambled and got the download copy as soon as I possibly could.
There you go.
And all troubles were averted.
Yeah.
It's perfect.
Yeah, you got to.
I mean, it's going to be another week for that thing to show up.
Can't do it.
Can't do it.
Yeah.
No, no, no.
People are going to say stuff like.
Spoilers.
Yeah.
And I'm like, no.
I need.
I must experience it fresh.
I must be part of the zeitgeist.
So I have been busy because, you know, the show and what have you.
And sort of other related projects.
Right.
And so I haven't had a lot of time to play it.
I did pre-order a digital copy myself.
And I did play a little bit like a genius.
I played a little bit the other night.
I've not gotten very far into it.
Yeah.
And I'm concerned.
Now here's why.
Okay.
I don't know a lot about Norse and Viking stuff.
Sure.
Whereas other iterations of the game were like sort of mythologies.
Right.
Cultural histories that I know a little bit more about.
Greece is your wheelhouse.
Sure.
Like right up your.
Even the one before it was Egypt.
Yeah.
A bit about Egypt.
Fantastic.
Egyptian history.
Yeah.
I know very little.
And I realized why it's those letters.
It's the letter.
The ruins.
No.
I just can't handle the weird combination of letters in the names and stuff.
It intimidates me.
And I don't know what to do with those V's and J's and Y's and G's everywhere.
It scares me.
I don't know what to do.
Come on.
It's fine.
It's hard.
It's elvish.
It scares me.
And I realized that subconscious bias has kept me away.
Because I'm excited to embark on a little bit of this.
Find out some stuff that I can then maybe read up on the real version.
Sure.
And then.
I think what's really funny about that is having played just a little bit further into
you into the game than you after the title card, which is, you know, like four hours,
five hours.
Not even come close to that.
I'm sure.
You go to England.
Spoilers.
All of your worries.
Spoilers.
It's funny to me that you're like, oh, I'm worried about the ruins.
And I'm like, dude, three hours from now, you won't even see a ruin.
You're fine.
Wow.
I'm a little disappointed.
No, it's going to be great.
It's awesome.
Um, but the other thing that actually kind of puts to bed my other worry about the game
having again played very little.
Yeah.
I'm worried it's too white, but not in like white people way.
Sure.
I mean snow.
It's very snow.
There's so much goddamn snow around.
It's visually monochromatic to a level that if it were the entire game, I would have a
problem with that.
I think I would have it.
It would be a difficulty because of the open world exploration aspect.
If you're just running around and everywhere is snow covered.
Yeah, it becomes a bummer.
No, even with Witcher three, it wasn't gloomy all the time.
Yeah.
It was gloomy most of the time.
And there were sort of variations to the gloom.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So you got them.
Well, I'm glad to know that some of these concerns that I have, whether it be letter
or snow, whether it's still a good game.
I trust the developers of those games enough to like not make a game.
That's all snow.
Yeah.
I figure it would be such an elementary kind of thing, but rogue was.
Did you ever play Assassin's Creed?
Yeah.
That one's mainly snow.
So you like skip that one for good.
Yeah.
I don't mind a little snow anyway.
You live in Illinois.
You don't mind a little snow.
I live through snow.
We've been here.
Wow.
Come on.
So, Jordan, today we're getting back into the present.
We're going to be talking about November 7th and 8th, 2020.
I'm Dan.
This is 2020.
We're entering that interesting period where we find out what Alex does during the 79
days of hell.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We experienced what happened when Alex left and Steve Pachanik tried to throw a wrench
in the gears.
Today we jump in and I guess we're just pretending none of this shit happened.
I was born in 1783.
My father was a highlander and so am I.
I had to kill him.
That could be only one.
I don't know exactly how we're doing it, but I guess we're just pretending that never
happened.
We're here on Saturday.
Alex is doing a broadcast on Saturday, the 7th, and then his show on Sunday, the 8th.
Yeah, we'll see.
We'll see what's going on.
He's a weird dude.
I like it.
Yeah, I like it.
But before we get down to business on that, let's take a moment to say thank you to some
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I would like to, first of all, encourage anybody to have a donor name that is an ominous warning.
Oh, yeah.
I enjoy that.
Which forest?
Exactly.
That's an issue.
And if you're out there listening and thinking, hey, I enjoy this show.
I'd like to support these gents, too.
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What else could people do?
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Some people could absolutely be filled with that generous spirit and want to give or donate
to someone, but then realize that they would have to wait a week to deal with that.
Oh, yeah.
You just can't wait a week because the generous spirit is so strong within you.
There's no way to get that money out now, Dan.
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I was worried it was going to end in Yeager's Hill or some nonsense.
OK.
Not that that's nonsense, but whatever you know what I'm saying.
Sure, I get you.
So, Jordan, before we begin, here's an out of context drop from today's show.
I mean, it's like when you watch Dancing with the Stars in the final episode or whatever,
because I'm not a big TV guy, but I do like watching good-looking women, you know, dance.
And, you know, when it's cool to watch the guys and all of it, it's really cool.
And it's cool to see celebrities dance.
I mean, it's fine.
OK.
You can't.
You don't need to justify why you watch a TV show.
This is a problem with being on the far right.
You can't just enjoy what you enjoy.
Yeah.
You have to fight for it.
Yeah.
Look, I got tricked because Sean Spicer was on and watched it.
And hey, some of the chicks were hot and whatever.
Actually, I don't even like the dancing at all.
The way that they get a pirouette and the the throws and the.
It seems unmanly for me to enjoy watching people dance.
Exactly.
Isn't that what he just said?
More or less.
That's exactly what he just said.
It's so sad.
I'm insecure about watching dance.
Enjoy what you enjoy.
Hey.
Anyway, here we go.
We're jumping in on the seventh Saturday, Alex's day off.
Sure.
He's in anyway, back from his trip to Phoenix, where he yelled into an adult-sized bullhorn.
And hey, man, if Biden's really president, which it looks like he is, Alex has bad news.
It is Saturday, November 7th, the year is 2020.
And if we accept the false claims of Joe Biden and his common Chinese deep state handlers
that he is the president with the fraud we've just witnessed, then you could really see
this as a good day to put on the Republic's tombstone.
Born July 4th, 1776, died November 7th, 2020.
That's what this is.
Alex has called it, Death of America, November 7th, 2020.
As a millionaire, I can tell you that the tragedy of the Biden administration will be
that they raise the marginal income tax on individuals making over $500,000 a year
to above 35 percent, Dan.
That is the end of the Republic.
What's that I hear?
I think that's the end of the Republic.
The church bells ringing for the funeral of America.
That's it.
It's going to go back up to 44 percent.
Can you imagine how angry Two Chains is going to be then?
So mad.
He's so mad.
In this next clip, we learn, look, this is the problem that I have.
He starts off the show talking about put this date on America's tombstone.
Sure.
Then he says things like this.
And we can talk all day about the failures of Trump and why this was able to happen.
We can talk about what Trump should have done better.
And we're going to do that so we don't make the mistakes next time.
What next time?
What the fuck next time?
According to Alex, there is no next time.
This isn't just a political party that you disagree with it now as control of the executive
branch of the government.
This is the fucking devil taking over.
Without Trump there to stop them, the story is supposed to be that there's nothing to
protect the Patriots from getting rounded up and the entire world being killed off with
a super bio weapon, a false flag ice age, or maybe nukes, depending on what Alex is feeling
that day.
Chicago's gone for sure.
It's downright insulting for Alex to have the nerve to act like a political commentator
right now when his candidate has been projected to lose.
He has this tantrum about the death of the Republic being on November 7th and immediately
gets into the mode you'd expect to see on regular outlets.
They're doing a post-mortem on the campaign.
Where were the flaws in the strategy?
Where's their room for improvements?
We can do better next time.
Let's talk midterms.
Normal people get to do that because they don't live in an artificial reality they use to
abuse their audiences where if their guy loses the election, pedophile demons will run the
street and God's fire-filled judgment will be upon us.
Alex doesn't get to war game but the midterms.
He lost that right when he made the terms of this election supernatural.
Yeah, I believe it was if Biden wins, they're going to switch to plan B and kill all of
us immediately.
They're not even going to give us the three years.
That wasn't even conditional on the election.
That was just something Alex said they decided to do.
Oh, yeah.
That's because Alex is too effective.
He was in a bad mood.
Yeah.
I got you.
Oh, the info war is too strong so they're going to just kill us off.
Instead of the fun ordered killing us off that they like to do because the devil loves
plans.
I don't even think that's it.
There's nothing to be shamed about and losing to the devil.
You're supposed to lose to the devil.
The only person who wins against the devil is Jesus, man.
Well, Johnny.
Oh, well, Johnny.
He rozened up that boat and played his fiddle hard.
I got you.
So we got two.
Yeah.
All right.
And Johnny was really a Christ metaphor.
And honestly, it was more of a single issue thing.
That wasn't a real, like he wasn't trying to change the whole world.
Right.
It was really just about fiddle play.
It was mainly fiddling, yes.
The devil accent with honor and fiddle content.
Well, if you count like the other ripoff songs of the devil went down to Georgia, then I
think some other people might have.
There's other versions.
There was at least one juggler who went down to Georgia.
Yeah.
Our friend Marty DeRosa informed me of the song like the devil went down to Detroit.
I think I believe that's the name of it.
It's like a rap version.
Sure.
And these guys have like a DJ contest with the devil.
I think they win.
Okay.
I don't know.
People may have fictitiously beat the devil, but I'm sort of saying it.
There's no shame in that.
You're not supposed to beat the devil.
Why are you beating yourself up over this?
I don't know if he's beating himself up.
That's fair.
I want to stress one of the compelling reasons not to respect Alex Jones.
He is an intellectual coward.
He can't stand to be wrong to such a ridiculous extent that he set up this election as a battle
between good and evil, which evil could not possibly win.
And even if they did, good secretly actually won because evil cheated in a way that's never
going to be proven.
Now that the supposedly evil side has won, Alex won't even stick to his own parameters
and act like the literal devil just beat his hero.
Alex doesn't even have the integrity to present for a minute that any of the stuff he was
screaming about and fake crying about on air means anything because it's time to move on
and learn the lessons of the last election and apply them to whatever white supremacist
he supports next time because they insist they're just a nationalist.
He's a child.
This more than many other moments is a very clear and unmistakable instance of retreat.
Get the fuck out of here with that learning lessons for next time shit.
You don't get to do that.
Nope.
Nope.
Other people get to do that.
I resent that.
Honestly, there are very few situations where I don't think now that many of these people
are private citizens, we should spit on them every single time they go outside.
Like there's no way Alex should not be spit on regularly.
There's no way that like fucking if Trump walks down fucking a street in Manhattan, he should
be spit on by thousands of people on a constant daily basis.
Yeah, I think that you could make an argument that spitting is a form of assault and maybe
I'm not into that.
Fair.
Yelling is better.
I'll go with you as far as yelling.
You'll go with me as far as yelling.
Tiny bullhorning.
All right.
Okay.
Tiny bullhorning.
Tiny bullhorning.
Anytime Alex leaves his house, people.
He should be surrounded with tiny bullhorners.
I think they are.
I think you're right.
Yes.
The spitting on people I think is a little bit gross.
No, it's definitely an age of covid.
Yeah.
You know, you don't want to sort of express support for that kind of behavior.
All right.
I'm away from him.
Yeah.
Yelling with a tiny bullhorn through your mask.
I like it.
That's perfectly safe.
Yeah.
I think I think that's good.
That's the middle ground.
What I'm saying is these people should be hounded to the ends of the earth.
Sure.
Yeah.
Bark it.
Bark it.
People through bullhorn.
Yeah.
I like it.
You know, everyone's getting censored.
Everyone's getting kicked off.
All the patriots are being taken off all social media platforms.
And you see the mass censorship now as we predicted almost total censorship.
No media that I saw carrying Giuliani's press conference.
Thank God there's right side broadcasting.
Thank God there's info wars picking it back up.
Thank God you're out there amplifying it.
But this is a serious war.
So yeah, man, everyone's getting taken down except for people like info wars and right
side broadcasting that will stand up and cover Rudy Giuliani's wonderful press conference.
Somebody's got to.
I would suspect the most media outlets if they didn't they didn't cover Rudy Giuliani's
press conference out of respect for him since that shit was super embarrassing.
Also it wasn't censored.
People were making fun of it all over the place.
This was of course the four seasons press conference as best as anyone can tell someone
in the campaign may have thought that they booked the four seasons hotel conference room
for the presser, but it actually set up an event in front of a small landscaping company
called Four Seasons Total Landscaping.
I have no idea what actually happened here if they intended it to be there or if someone
screwed up, but it was pretty hilarious.
Giuliani gave a rambling nonsense speech right at the moment when the networks called the
race for Biden.
Oh, it was a total mess.
Brutal.
Also during the event, one of Giuliani's guests was an alleged poll watcher named Daryl Brooks,
who turned out to also have been quote incarcerated in the 1990s on charges of sexual assault,
lewdness and endangering the welfare of a minor by exposing himself to two girls ages
seven and 11.
It's a false flag Democrat if I ever heard one.
Well, according to an article in the cut quote, Brooks denied the charges and said his arrest
was a police setup.
Oh, so there we go.
So this is so it's a double false flag, perhaps he was false flagged into becoming the false
flag.
That's what happened.
I don't know.
This guy is somebody who's identifiable.
It makes things a little bit more confusing for the claims that were being made at this
press conference.
Apparently it was being alleged that Brooks was a poll watcher in Philadelphia and you
know, like not being allowed in to check the check the roles and everything, but he lives
in New Jersey and it's not like he's a low profile New Jersey resident.
An article in Politico quoted read Gus Goria, the mayor of Trenton, New Jersey as describing
Brooks as quote New Jersey's perennial candidate because Brooks had run for many different
offices in New Jersey, including the Senate and House.
Wow.
The state of Pennsylvania requires poll watchers to be registered voters in the counties they
wish to pull watch.
So he couldn't have actually been in a position to actually make the claims that he was making.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
This whole thing was a disaster for Giuliani from the strange location to the almost
exactly bad timing to the poll watcher alleged who he had as a witness who couldn't possibly
be a poll watcher, but is actually a convicted child abuser.
If anything, I would expect Alex to want less coverage of this.
Everything is bad.
Every element of that press conference was bad.
Yeah.
I mean, but that's, that's a perfect example of how we are held hostage by their unreality.
That should be a criminal offense.
All the stuff that happened at that presser.
I know they're not illegal, but if you do that, you should be like, you can't be near
other people.
You're going to get hurt.
You're going to get someone hurt.
We need crews of people with tiny bullhorns on the ready to get so we, we, that's what
Arkham asylum is for.
People who accidentally schedule preps conference in front of the four seasons fucking, exactly.
That's Arkham.
It's not.
It's not a crime.
It's something that people need to be kept there.
You got the Joker killer croc.
Yeah.
Rudy Giuliani.
Why, why are you here?
I set up a weird press conference.
They would all be like, yeah, no, you're the only one.
We're not letting escape.
You're too gone for us.
Whenever the Riddler comes and lets everyone out, he leaves Rudy.
Yeah.
At least we get the place we're going to heist right.
Okay.
Batman, Batman doesn't beat us there because we got to the wrong place.
Okay.
They, uh, they're like, Oh, no, no, no, Rudy, you got to stay here to give a message to
to the bat for us conference side of Arkham asylum.
Yeah.
Yeah.
God.
What an asshole.
Yep.
Jesus.
So Alex gets to talk in about, uh, uh, the China.
Um, he has this interesting idea that, you know, isn't based in, in really anything,
but I got really lost in thought, uh, after listening to this clip because I think it's
really, uh, a really good example of why it's, it's really frustrating to take things
that Alex says at all seriously.
So instead of making China a capitalist country at the end of World War II, criminal elements
of the Rockefeller Combine, Dave Rockefeller wrote a book about this and wrote two articles
of New York Times.
I always go back to this because this is key.
This is the real world.
And sent George Herbert Walker Bush in there with James Baker and the rest of them to make
a deal with the communist Chinese after they'd spent 25 years enslaving and killing 80 million
other people and getting them to behave and if they'd follow every directive of one child
policies and horrible things that the Rockefellers told them to do, they said, yeah, kill about
80 million of your people and one child policy and we'll make you the global superpower of
economics, but you're not allowed to have a big military.
But of course, wink, wink their globalist.
They were building a big military the whole time and that's why you saw the pivot under
Obama was because China wasn't following its agreement to not be expansionist.
They were given all the rarest minerals and all the economic power and they were allowed
to economically expand, but America would economically close, but then would have military
dominance still.
That's how you divide power.
That's the rollerball allegory.
That's really how globalism works.
The original movie with James Kahn 1972 or whatever it is is dead on.
Yeah, of course.
It's always a movie.
It's always a fucking movie.
That's why it's so frustrating to listen to him.
It starts with that clip there.
It starts with him saying something really absurd, like that a decision was made by people
like the Rockefellers to have China not be capitalist at the end of World War II.
That kind of thing gets me kind of interested.
Well at least it would have earlier on doing the show.
It's a laughable and nonsensical claim.
You know that even without doing any research.
What does that even mean?
I would ask Alex to explain what mechanisms were used by the Rockefellers to keep China
from being a capitalist country.
If I were to do this because of doing this show, I know that Alex would just point to
John Birch Society talking points about how the US didn't do enough to help Shanghai shack
in the Chinese Civil War, which is the claim that's then exaggerated into the Rockefellers
installed Mao.
Sure.
Still, I like this absurd claim.
It's stupid, but probably sounds smart to his audience and I can kind of appreciate that.
That's kind of the sort of thing that I dig my teeth into.
Sure, sure, sure.
He claims that David Rockefeller wrote a book in two articles in The Times about this whole
China stuff and that's just not true.
The op-eds Rockefeller wrote don't look great with the hindsight of history on our side,
but they're nothing like Alex is claiming them to be.
He also wrote a book called Memoirs, which is an autobiography, but if that admission
is in there, it'd be really simple for Alex to produce it, which weirdly he never does.
And everything falls apart with the rambling about the imaginary deal where China gets
to have the economy and US gets to have the military, which incidentally is something
similar to like something Alex might be cribbing from a piece of dystopian sci-fi from the
time when he was a child.
Yep.
Seems to be a pattern.
Yeah.
It does seem like that is often the case.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The original movie Roller...
What's your favorite X file, Dan?
Logan.
Yeah.
The original movie Roller Ball was based on a short story called Roller Ball Murder
by William Neil Harrison, published in Esquire in September 1973.
It's a little bit different than what the movie ended up being as it's far more a statement
about the rising brutality in public's taste and entertainment.
There are also similarities to the movie version though.
Like it's a kind of clunky and not, not super great.
Oh, that's fair.
The short story itself.
That's fair.
There's a lot of mention of various women's shapeliness.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But I mean, James Kahn was great in the movie.
Sure.
I read something that James Kahn was talking about, like, he's like, man, love doing those
Roller Ball scenes, but then I had to go and act.
All right.
Yeah.
That was about his process for thief too, I think, loved those Roller Ball scenes.
In the short story, it's not so much like different countries do different things.
It's that within the United States, different corporations run six different concerns of
life, energy, transport, food, housing, services and luxury.
Each is a super powerful corporation and the main character Jonathan E plays for the Roller
Ball team run by energy company based in Houston.
The actual story is about a guy who's the best Roller Ball player in the world struggling
with his sense of self, finding himself unsatisfied while living a life filled with money, power,
sex and celebrity.
The brutality of the sport has been increasing with new rules being added to satisfy the public's
lust for violence.
Gradually things get more violent.
With rules added to penalize players who aren't trying hard enough by having their helmets
confiscated.
This all culminates in the All-Star game at the end of the season where there's a new
rule that's added where there's no time limit for the game, essentially making a gladiatorial
contest where pretty much everyone is guaranteed to die.
Jonathan wants something more out of his life, but he doesn't know what.
But as the All-Star game gets closer, his only request is that he be able to see his
estranged wife again.
She comes to him and they fuck for a few days and then they remember their shared love that
they had.
Jonathan had convinced himself that in the past she'd been taken from him by the evil
corporation, but he realizes that wasn't the case.
Quote, it would be nice, I think, once to imagine that she was taken away from me by
some malevolent force in this awful age, but I know the truth of that.
She went away simply because I wasn't enough back then, because those were the days when
I yearned for anything, when I was beginning to live to play the game.
For a few days she sits on my bed and I touch her skin like a blind man.
It's implied that they both realize they can't go back to their younger lives, even if there
is love between them, and Jonathan knows that he has to play the All-Star game, even if
it means almost certain death.
The story concludes, quote, before the game begins, I stand with my team as a corporation
him plays.
I'm brute speed today, I tell myself, trying to rev myself up, yet a dream in my thoughts
I'm a bit unconvinced.
A chorus of voices joins the band now as the music swells.
The game, the game, all glory to it, the music rings, and I can feel my lips move with the
words, singing.
William Harrison fleshed out the story into a screenplay that no longer really resembles
the point of this original work, there's some parts of it that are still carried over,
and it actually directly contradicts it at certain points.
The director of the movie has explained why they made the movie, telling the Guardian,
quote, I thought that violence for the entertainment of the masses was an obscene idea.
This is what I saw coming, and that's why I made the film.
The original in the movie are both commentaries on the idea of brutality as entertainment,
but in order to make the movie out of a ten page story, they needed to add a whole plot
about the corporations fearing that Jonathan was becoming too much of an individual in
the corporate world built on conformity.
Sure, Logan's run had just come out recently.
The game and the people's reaction to it, as well as the violence depicted in the movie
itself, and the people's reaction to that were the point of the movie Rollerball.
If it has any artistic merit, it's an attempt for a statement.
The dystopian sci-fi future backdrop is absolutely unnotable, and they only really exist as a
way of justifying why the game exists.
Alex doesn't know how to wrestle with or analyze works of art.
He refuses to understand subtext or deeper meaning, so it honestly makes perfect sense
that he'd think that all this dystopian fiction from his youth is secretly about the communist
conspiracy that no one will admit is right in front of their face.
Here's an example.
There is a phenomenon you could point to, which is that a lot of movies, particularly dystopian
action movies, seem to exist in a world ruled by rigid authoritarians who have molded society
into a state of uniformity.
You could point this out and provide a number of examples, and that's fair.
Alex might see this phenomenon and argue that this is because the globalists are using
predictive programming to tell the world about what they're going to do to them.
There's a cosmic contract law clause that states that these evil doers can't carry
out their evil deeds unless we all consent to them, so they put this stuff in movies
to get us to accept it.
That is the theory for why there's such a consistent feature like this in this genre.
I would argue that it's because the setting of a rigid uniform world is one where it's
incredibly easy to differentiate a hero character from the rest of the world.
Even an anti-hero or a flawed person can easily be cheered for when they're the only
person who has any modicum of individuality in a sea full of facelessness.
Putting your character and their story into that setting is kind of a genre-based shortcut
for plots where the tension is about individualism versus conformity.
Engaging with text and art with even just a baseline of critical ability allows you
to see authorial intent and understand the more complicated things that are being said
by artistic works, and it brings a richness to your life.
It's a critically important exercise, now more than ever, and honestly, it's one of
the things that I find most fascinating about Alex.
I do believe that most of the stuff he says is embellishment or lies or things he doesn't
actually believe or kind of believes, that his inability to grasp the point of literature
and movies is something so consistent in his career that I find it difficult to accept
that it's not a genuine feature of his brain.
So yeah, it's annoying to do this show because I end up thinking about Roller Ball.
Yeah, that'll happen.
And thinking about like, huh, there was an attempted statement that they were making
there and the sort of the corporations and shit in the movie and all that is really
just to make it so you're watching this movie and you're like, oh yeah, that's why that
exists.
Yeah.
That's why that brutal game exists that would never exist in our world.
The commentary is about people's taste for sport and entertainment becoming more and
more violent.
And the logical extension of that is a game where everyone's killing each other.
Sure.
Everyone's like, ah, that itself, yeah, could not exist in our reality.
So the commentary couldn't be made by plugging it into the present day because there'd be
too many things like, hey, why isn't everyone getting sued for this?
This would never fly.
So you plug it into this dystopian authoritarian world in the future.
And then you're like, oh yeah, it makes sense.
Yeah.
It makes it so much easier to cheer on your hero, Jonathan M, even if he's not a great
person.
I wonder what it would have been like if Alex, instead of being into hard sci-fi and watching
rollerball at that age, you instead watch like they shoot horses, don't they?
Watching everybody in that fucking exploitative, destructive dance contest, realizing that
the real dystopia is where we live now.
I just, I just, I don't know, I do wish that he was better at reading.
Yeah, that would be nice.
I wish a lot of people were better.
I wish almost everyone was better at reading.
It's a difficult skill.
It seems like it should be easy considering we talk to each other, but then you think
about it and you realize most people don't even talk to each other, honestly.
It's really hard to understand what people are saying because their brains don't speak
the words that their brains think.
Yeah.
One of the more interesting things that I feel like an alien right now, these human
beings, they act so strange.
So weird.
Yeah.
One of the more interesting things I found while I was looking at reading about rollerball
was that the writer, William Harrison, he was like, I want more violence in this movie,
but not because like he wants the movie to be super violent.
He wants to make the point that the violence is supposed to be repulsive.
So brutal that when you watch it, you go, you're
disgusted by it.
And then when people watched rollerball, they were like, man, rollerball is cool.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then the director of it was talking about how like most of the most of the European
audiences that we've, you know, talked to understand that.
Sure. Sure.
It's supposed to be that this is disgusting.
And most American audiences are like, we should start a rollerball league.
Like, frankly, what's CTE?
What's the difference between CTE and rollerball?
We might as well get rollerball while we're at it.
Anyways, Vince McMahon, get the XFL, the fuck out of here.
Get the RFL right in here.
Yeah. That's what I'm talking about.
So anyway, that derivative, that sort of off off side track about the rollerball
off to the way we get more complaints about China.
But we live under this and it's all been one sided.
It's not about Kumbaya and one world living together and all this great stuff.
Coming to China was allowed to buy up our debt, buy up Hollywood, buy up our whole
infrastructure. So I've been thinking about this for a while.
And I think that this is one of the newer formulations of like the Jews run all
the banks, you know, that kind of bigoted conspiracy theory.
I think that the Chinese own all our debt is a sort of a new one of those.
Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
It's one that a lot of people, if they don't do any research, kind of passively
accept because it sounds like something they've heard someone say before.
Sure. And it's like, oh, yeah.
Why wouldn't they?
They bought up all our debt.
It's such an intimidating thing where you're like, why would you buy debt?
I'll believe you. Yeah.
But it's just complete bullshit. Yeah.
According to MarketWatch, the U.S.
government itself owns 27 percent of the U.S.
debt with U.S. investors owning a further 32.5 percent.
The Federal Reserve owns 11.2 percent, which is just a slightly more complicated
form of the government owning it.
So all that added up is 70.9 percent of the U.S.
national debt that's owned essentially by U.S. interests.
Sure. Compared to that, the amount owned by China is not that much.
As of 2018, they held about 5.6 percent of our national debt
in the form of like treasury bonds.
But Japan also had 4.9 percent.
And I don't hear Alex yelling about the dreaded Japanese threat.
Oh, well, they make our Sony stuff.
These countries have bought these bonds because, generally speaking,
they're considered good investments since most world currencies tied to the dollar.
Also, in 2020, Japan overtook China as the largest foreign investor in our debt.
So the dynamic that Alex is describing is even more wrong.
But what you're getting wrong there is China owns 99 percent of Japan's debt.
So they secretly own all of the other 4.4 percent.
Yeah. Yeah.
So the people, they want to spread this fear.
And what it's based on is the idea that China owns our debt.
And what they can do is they can call in that debt, like you repay your debt
whenever they want.
Like a landlord who's giving you a slide.
Exactly. And this is just another anti-communist conspiracy
talking point that's based on more or less nothing.
Alex wants to create that image because it means that China rules us.
They can say the word and destroy our economy at any second.
Sure. They don't own enough of our debt to really matter that much in that in that term.
And also investing in our debt doesn't work like that.
No. Our national debt is a super complicated thing.
And it isn't the same as your personal debt that you might have
if you're like laid on a gas bill.
There are too many real world factors to make it sensible to discuss
as like a one factor thing, like bigger number debt equals worse or whatever.
But that's basically what Alex is doing.
And then adding on a layer of conspiracy China baiting for fun.
China didn't buy up all our debt.
They don't own Hollywood and they didn't buy all our infrastructure.
These are all just talking points.
Alex repeats over and over again until his audience accepts them as being fact.
When it's all just kind of warmed over bircher nonsense.
Yeah, it's it's very interesting to me that like one of the ways
that the conservative propagandists get normal people to believe their bullshit
is because they try and make it that micro level of like you have debt.
If someone calls in that debt, that'll fuck up your day.
Right. The same thing is true for the United States.
But what they don't realize is that when you get to the United States,
money's imaginary. If they called in our debt, what happens?
We print more and then inflation goes up and their money's worth less.
Right. You know, like there is a there is a serious
incentive for them not to do this.
Exactly. Yeah. Based on their own economy.
Yeah, it's all imaginary.
Yeah. America can print more money and that's fine.
Yeah. You're just inflation goes up and all other kinds of bullshit happens.
There's a hundred different after effects of that that. Yeah.
Yeah, there's it's all magic.
It's all magic. But even that being understood,
what Alex is saying is just dumb. Totally.
But it sounds compelling in the same way that you have debt.
And if somebody calls it in, it'll fuck your day up.
It's very simple to like get across.
So I want to ask you a question here, Jordan. Sure.
I think that you've done, you know, we've we've been we've been at this for a while.
Yes, you understand Alex pretty well.
In this next clip, Alex discusses what his greatest sadness is.
OK. Do you think that you could guess what his greatest sadness is?
The just unending swath of dead dogs in his wake.
I would assume that that guilt would weigh heavily upon.
I don't know if he feels that bad about it.
I mean, just an astonishing.
Most of the time when he talks about it,
it seems like those dogs almost wistful.
Yeah, according to him.
No, you're incorrect. OK.
Here's my greatest sadness.
The average person that's a leftist buys into the system,
they go and they get one degree and they can't get a job.
They get two degrees, they can't get a job.
They get three degrees, they can't get a job.
Or they get some little government or bureaucracy job and they tell them.
Once we overthrow America and create a socialist utopia,
you're all going to be in charge and have mansions.
And they believe this.
They're never going to.
Brought into the power structure.
They're absolute jokes.
And they're vicious and they're hateful.
So Alex's greatest sadness is overeducated liberals.
Yeah, leftists who can't find jobs.
Yeah.
So so the socialist utopia is a capitalist utopia
where we switch who lives in mansions.
Is that what he thinks is going on?
Yeah, probably.
He would assume so, right?
He doesn't understand socialism at all.
In this next clip, Alex is recognized that there are,
you know, some people showing up, maybe it's state capitals.
Sure. And being like false flaggers.
Yeah. No, I mean, they're they're they're they're they're the real
deal patriots.
Oh, I wouldn't admit that right now.
They're good patriots just going down there to say, hey, what's going on?
I wouldn't admit that preemptively votes, you know, and stuff.
Sure. And because of this, there's also a lot of people
who are showing up at the White House.
And Alex thinks that, you know, there's a few people now,
but soon there will be millions.
OK. It's so obvious.
By the weekend, they'll announce by the winter, they're going to pick a Saturday
so people aren't at work.
And so they can all use social media to say,
let's put a million people around the White House.
It won't be a million today.
It'll be 100,000 today.
Today.
Won't be a million today.
It'll be 100,000.
But by the time Trump isn't leaving in a week or two,
there'll be a million, two million, and they will tear those barricades up
and storm the White House.
That's been the plan.
The Democrats said that's their plan.
And hey, the globalists have never gotten in trouble for anything they've done.
So why wouldn't they do that because they're never held accountable?
I mean, if Trump like directly is like, I don't respect the results of an election,
you know, it is like I'm not leaving.
I wouldn't be surprised if tons of people are fine with that.
I don't know. I don't know how to quantify numbers, but I mean,
a million people showing up outside the White House doesn't seem impossible to me.
Oh, no, I think that's a pretty, you know, that might happen.
If a leader refuses to step down, I could see it at a certain point.
I think we can we could go real high.
We could go real high.
They're not good, not good, definitely not good.
There were tense standoffs outside the White House a couple of months ago over
the George Floyd protests and what have you.
I don't I don't know if people would storm the White House,
but people would be shaking fences.
You think we're going to get a moat around the White House soon?
I don't know. You want to go with a moat?
I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
You don't know. I think I think a moat's coming.
And I think it's I'm fine with that. Let him have the house.
Let him have the house. Let him live there.
Lock him in there.
Give him a moat. Put alligators on there.
I was just thinking about if they do a moat, I have the solution.
Tons of Jell-O.
A bunch of Jell-O powder in there. Oh, man.
Make a Jell-O moat. That's true.
That is true.
The the moat system may be outdated in terms of defensive effectiveness.
Back in the Middle East times, they didn't have Jell-O.
They didn't have Jell-O.
So anyway, there's a situation here where Alex is it's like I just
really can't stand this waffly back and forth nonsense of the fucking devil is
coming. Oh, hey, let's learn lessons for next time.
Hey, come on. Or this apparently, you know, hey, maybe, maybe,
maybe everything will be all right.
I'm going to air some clips and then I'm going to get refocused and come back,
go through the election fraud, go through other key points of who's behind the
machines, how there is a very narrow way out of this.
And then I'm going to explain that there is another path and that path actually
is more destructive and very horrible, but we'll actually hasten the destruction
of the global order and the destruction of the new world order and they have
stepped into it. Now, I have no desire to go down this path,
but I will go down it if they take us there.
And don't worry, you're going to go down that path too, because you're going to
take us there. And don't worry, you're going to go down that path too,
because there's no getting out of this now. Everyone is going to see world
government manifest. You're going to see everything I've told you come true.
Everything, everything. So that's violence. That's street violence.
That's a murder of your, your neighbors and war and stuff.
That's the other path, but there's a narrow path, which is Trump's seizing
power, basically. You could kind of get the sense that like, okay,
now the conversation has become, Trump has got to become king or else.
Like we're all fucking shooting. Yeah, totally.
And that's not encouraging. No, no. I would say, no, for sort of a baseline.
So you're like, yeah, this is just, this is where we're at. I don't,
I don't know if I enjoy that. No, I mean, right now I,
I enjoyed the election results coming in and Biden winning outright.
That's good stuff, but the amount of overconfidence and
gloating that's going on before Trump has entirely left the White House is
a little nerve wracking for me.
I don't like it when people who I've seen gloat before and have all of our
lives destroyed because of it, gloat again. I don't like it. I don't like seeing it.
Yeah. And I think because it's kind of untested territory,
we really don't know how much of the stuff that goes on between an election
and an inauguration is norms. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
It's going to, we're going to turn out to find, it's going to be a lot.
It's going to be a lot of norms. It's going to be a lot of norms that are no
longer on the, on Cheers.
So in this next clip, Alex has very few friends left in the media or,
I mean, not friends, just people who even just doesn't hate now. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
One of them, Lou Dobbs. Sure. He likes Lou Dobbs.
All right. First, I want to play a very important clip.
Sidney Powell and Lou Dobbs discusses hammer and scope card,
and this is very, very important. It's a good place to start.
So we're going to play this clip and we'll be right back.
So the long and short of this is that there's a conspiracy going around that
there's a super secret overpowered computer called hammer that can run a
program called scorecard, which was used to manipulate and change the results of
this election. This desperate and absurd conspiracy is being sold by people like
guests on Steve Bannon's show, Mike Flynn's attorney, Sidney Powell and Lou
Dobbs. These are high profile people in right wing spheres.
This just isn't like some fringe, completely online nonsense.
So I was wondering, where did this come from?
Luckily, I did not have to look too far. Will Summer over at the Daily Beast had
already put together a great piece about how all the claims about this
supercomputer and the program come from a single source.
And it's someone who I have a special bond with.
This all comes from Dennis Montgomery. God damn it.
God fucking damn it.
I was amazed.
How is Dennis Montgomery found a way to claw back into reality?
I was amazed to see his name come up again.
It would take far too long to get into this right now.
But back on March 2017, on the 25th episode of our podcast, we dedicated
two and a half hours to Dennis Montgomery and his various frauds.
So if anyone's interested in why you don't need to take anything that traces
back to him seriously, go ahead and check that episode out.
My God.
Also, Will's article on it is a really good breakdown, too.
I believe it.
This is how these dicks work.
Supposedly, respectable outlets on the right are so desperate for a big overarching
explanation for how they were screwed in the election that they're willing to
amplify and give credibility to claims being made by a career con man whose
lawyer is Larry fucking Clayman.
You can't do it.
How is it that even in this world, people don't just like, Oh, it's Larry
Clayman. Get the fuck out of here.
Like Larry Clayman.
Go.
Larry Clayman's coming for you eventually.
Like it doesn't matter what if you're on the hard right.
It doesn't matter sooner or later.
Larry Clayman, Larry Clayman is going to sue you.
Hey, suit Alex.
He sued everyone.
Roger Stone.
Don't listen to him now.
No, you don't even need to worry about the lawsuits.
Just look at him and look at the things he's done.
Look at the track record and be like, yeah, pass.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Don't care.
You could have the biggest scoop in the world and I'm going to take the hit.
If you're right this time.
Totally.
I'm going to just bite the bullet and say, I don't trust anything you say.
And if that bites me in the ass, I still did the right thing.
The idea that you might like see a James O'Keefe video pop up and just be like,
well, maybe he got it right this time.
No, no, no, that's bad.
That's bad thinking.
Yep.
Yep.
So in this next clip, Alex, like I said, he's kind of interested in these ideas
about two millions of people showing up at the White House.
Sure.
But also he doesn't like that the media is downplaying the number of people
that are coming to Owen Shroyer's rally in Austin.
He's very preoccupied and spends a lot of time talking about crowd sizes in Austin.
Oh, and get out of studio for a while.
Notice that there are thousands of people at rallies
at all 50 capitals around the United States.
I was down there just a few hours ago at the Texas Capitol.
The DPS estimated there are about 2000 people.
Thousands more are showing up right in front of the
south side of the Texas Capitol.
And again, I sent some photos to you guys.
It's actually on Savannah Hernandez's Twitter from a building above
that actually shows the big giant crowd.
Well, I'll just pull up on my phone.
But the local news.
You will notice is not showing.
Because the local news does not want you to know.
What is unfolding?
And what is happening?
And that's that's how they operate.
Yeah, in fact, let's not even show it if we're not going to show the above shots,
because I don't want to just look at my big fat ugly head up there
and, you know, talking about how there's thousands of people.
I don't want to show the overhead shot.
I'm going to go to rebroadcast.
I'll find it's not the crew.
I just have to have this.
I just have to have it or I can't do the show.
OK, and then I'm going to read to you the.
Breakdown from the president, a new statement that has come out.
And then I'm going to go through everything else that is here.
But right now, let's go ahead and play Ali Alexander at the Capitol.
And then I want to show the project Veritas.
There it is. Look at that.
And I'm not throwing a fit.
I just want people to see that.
I need to see this picture. Oh, my God.
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I'm not throwing a fit. Yeah.
I'm not throwing a fit.
He doesn't actually go to rebroadcast, though.
I mean, whoever he is, whatever intern he's hired,
was able to pull that up before the pot bubble over before it got too bad.
Yeah. All right.
But he does spend a lot more time than this,
even on just like the crowd size pictures.
And it's like, boy, this is exactly the same as after the 2016 election.
Sure is just just a like a sort of fun house mirror version of,
oh, we did the election.
We talked about fraud.
We talked about complaining about different claims about crowd sizes.
It's just that this guy lost this time.
Yeah, almost exactly the same.
Yeah. So almost beat for beat just with a different angle.
I just I just can't believe that they're going to accept this.
Like it's not going to every other year during an election season.
Alex is going to scream about how it's the devil.
And then every other year, he's going to be like, well, I know we lost,
but we got to path through this and it's never going to stop.
They will always be convinced that it's the devil.
They will always be convinced that it's fine, that the devil won this time.
Well, if it's so inferior, yeah, if things can keep going,
it does seem like that would be just how things will go.
That's just how it operates.
Yeah. And then just come up with fun, interesting stuff to say about
whatever headlines he didn't read the articles of and keep going.
How disappointing would how disappointed do you think God is
that they're like, we only fight against the devil in an election year.
Come on, man.
And we fight against the devil's assistant during the midterms.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.
The devil takes the midterms off.
Easy. You got to delegate responsibility sooner or later.
Otherwise you burn yourself out.
And if you're the devil, hey, you're at a high risk of burning.
Exactly. So Alex is preoccupied with these crowd pictures
and I could not find myself giving a shit.
And I ended up turning off this episode, this Saturday episode,
because it was so boring.
Yeah, it is so much just like over and over again, rambling, repetitious.
The election was stolen, but it also was really uninspired.
Like here's a little clip that just sort of sums up kind of how I feel it went.
They just stole this bigger Dallas right out in the open.
You know, you're about stealing something.
You're kind of like a cat burglar going in to get the jewels.
There was no cat burglar in going on here, ladies and gentlemen.
This was done out in the open.
There's a feeling of resignation almost to the fact that they stole it.
We've proven it.
Ha, what are you going to do?
And I don't understand that.
No, no, no.
I mean, I understand it if you don't actually believe any of it.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
I understand that.
That's a weird space to perform in, especially if you've made your last
entire year and a half a referendum on whether or not the Tree of Liberty
does need to be watered with the blood of tyrants from time to time.
And apparently, I guess not this year.
It's been abundantly clear what his position on that is.
You would think that you don't go back from that.
Yeah, so we have this situation where we're, you know, in this period
after the election, where it's the 79 days of hell and Biden is the president
elect and Alex, you know, Trump hasn't conceded and Alex doesn't know what he's,
you know, I find it to be like one of the most important points for us to be
like really tracking what are the moves?
What are the things he does?
Yeah.
And I found this Saturday to be just almost unlistenable.
It's just banging the gong over and over again.
Election was stolen, treading water.
But yeah, but treading water, boring.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so I needed to jump into Sunday and like get a sense of something.
And I really feel like Alex didn't do it for me at the beginning of the show.
I can tell you as bad as it is, we're going to come through this stronger
on the other side, no matter what happens to Trump.
Or not. The devil is killing us all.
I'd wish that we could bypass what's coming.
I wish we could have gone around this, wish you could have had an easy landing
and kept Trump and there's still 20 percent chance of doing that.
There's about 100 percent chance of doing that if Trump takes dramatic action.
So there's a 20 percent chance of him winning, I guess.
I guess the election and then 100 percent chance of everything going cool.
If Trump sees his power, right?
So that would be 100 percent chance.
Well, yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Twenty twenty, I'd give it a fifty fifty shot.
Well, no, no, no, because with the 100 percent chances of Alex getting what he
wants, yeah, yeah, so he was still wouldn't know, but he would get the
way he wants in the form of Trump staying in power.
And Trump, not Biden, not being in office, Trump to unilaterally declare
himself a dictator. That'd be great.
Yeah, I'd be stoked about that.
So when I only seventy nine more days of hell.
So when I do these shows, it requires a lot of thinking,
a lot of preparation, a lot of sitting around thing like,
what is he trying to say here?
You know, there's a lot of that.
And so I'm accustomed to stretches of intense mental exertion.
Sure. Alex, he is too.
I brainstormed so hard this morning.
From about six a.m. to about 12 noon when I got to the office.
That.
I got completely exhausted about an hour and a half ago and had to go
take a nap. OK, all right.
Thinking is hard. That's fair.
I told everybody to kill everybody.
But now I think that's a bad idea.
So what's my next move?
Power nap, power nap, seize power nap.
All right, I know what to talk about today.
You know, I think this is a new thread that I hope will go on throughout the
podcast is Alex reverting to dream space for his
to find the answers.
Yeah, Alex becoming sort of like the shaman of the right wing extremist
world. Yeah, he's going to hire a Daniel who's going to interpret his
dreams for him. And then we've got this all.
That's why he's still around. Yeah, absolutely.
Owen's not going to do shit.
But yeah. So Alex gives a little tells a little story about his family's
breakfast time this morning that I found kind of disturbing.
All right.
Well, this morning, I talked to my oldest daughter and my wife, the breakfast
on my three year old daughter, played toy cars and blocks on the floor.
And I prepared them both for what was happening.
Well, my wife and my oldest daughter finished my sentences before I
could even complete them and they looked at me and they said, we know you're
right. We're ready and we understand.
And it was a very good feeling, a feeling of strength.
Because they weren't repeating things that have been drilled into their head.
I'd never really put these things on them, but they'd been listening
and they'd been sharing the truth.
My oldest daughter, Cheryl, looked at me and she said, dad,
you're almost always right.
A little tear came out of her eye.
And that was meant so much to me when I gave him this speech at the breakfast
table at eight a.m. this morning.
And I laid out the future.
I told him we tried to stop what was coming.
I told him what was coming next and they understood.
You just imagine like sitting around with like some granola.
She Alex stands up and he's like, this breakfast I must tell you the future.
This is a dinner conversation for sure.
Totally. This is a family meeting.
These kids are too young for coffee.
You can't handle Alex Jones predicting the future without a little caffeine in you.
Right. Yeah, that's not fair.
You can let him get through the morning.
I'm not going to deal with the apocalypse in the morning.
Yeah, absolutely not.
I don't know why, but that mental image to me is like in the real world.
Disturbing, terrifying, hilarious.
So funny, so funny, man.
And the worst part is here's the worst part for me.
The kids don't know something that's fundamentally true
that would change everything about their outlook on life.
Their dad is Alex Jones.
No, they're going to be fine.
They're going to continue to be rich.
They're going to continue to be taken care of.
They're going to continue doing everything with no changes at all.
Well, none.
Yeah, I mean, I guess I would say they're going to be fine
in many material ways.
Well, they're not going to be fine without your dad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm saying. Yeah.
If you just sat him down and been like, listen, I am always lying.
We're going to be fine. Don't worry.
Why are you crying? There's no need to cry. We're rich as shit.
We don't actually.
Well, the tear in her eye and saying you're almost always right
doesn't sound like something that someone else says.
It sounds like Alex writing dialogue for imaginary characters,
but it doesn't seem like that.
Anyway, I would be more upset with him telling the story
about preparing his children and his wife for the coming
tribulation or whatever the fuck if he didn't have really good reason
to suspect that there is corruption.
Sure, in the election. Sure.
And one of the pieces of evidence he brings to the table is, I mean, fuck.
I'm I'm convinced.
You know, Google has a big article that's up on info wars dot com.
Google Analytics.
And they had a record search in the days before the election
and the days after the election that no one ever searches.
What is the penalty?
Was one of the searches.
And what is the consequences?
And what is the prison time?
And what is the jail time?
These are searches no one's ever done that they ever.
But now it was by the thousands per state.
In Pennsylvania, in Georgia, in Minnesota, in Wisconsin, in Michigan.
The search was for what is the consequences?
What is the penalty?
What is the prison time for election fraud?
Wow, because that's election officials in fraud, not voter fraud.
Who do you think might be?
There it is. Scroll up.
Google trend searches for election fraud punishment surge
in the key battleground states.
It's not just those. Mores come out.
That is people checking to see what's going to happen to them.
What a conclusion he's jumped. That is. That is a big jump.
So you're saying that people are googling the crime they're about to commit
or have committed in what kind of trouble am I in?
What? Why? Oh, my God.
Yeah, you don't think it might have something to do with maybe right wing
people constantly hoping retribution will come to their enemies and wishing
that there's some sort of punishment.
So they can discover that will be worse than death.
Silly friend.
This is a forensic fingerprint that proves that election officials
are trying to figure out what they got to look forward to
because they committed election fraud.
Yeah. What a what a good thinker.
That is really good thinking.
Yeah, I'm impressed by him constantly.
If that's the result of his brainstorming,
not need to work for six hours.
You should take a nap.
You should take a longer nap.
Because you'd probably have the exact same
analytical abilities.
So Alex says something in this next clip that I found really interesting.
And it's a good example of like how there's sort of a dark mirror
version of real world things that are oftentimes behind his rhetoric.
When I come back from break, I'm going to explain
what they're saying to the president inside the White House right now
and how they're trying to get him conceived.
But let me just say this right now.
If Trump concedes,
they're going to blame him for the COVID-19 deaths.
They're going to set up a truth and reconciliation
commission to demonize all of his supporters.
And they're going to make the lock down
and the shutdown of our economy ten times worse.
And now Biden's announced that.
So I find this kind of interesting.
I don't know if I disagree too much with Alex's assessment of things
that could happen if Trump concedes and Biden becomes president.
I just think that he's portraying these things in an intentionally false light.
First, he says that they'll blame Trump for the COVID-19 deaths.
And to the extent that anyone should be blamed,
it probably should be the executive officer of the country
who was in a position to make decisions that he failed to make.
Obviously, no one would say that it's all Trump's fault,
but the conversation about policy failures and new information
about what was known when and what was ignored,
but almost certainly paint Trump in a terrible light.
Especially if he's staked his entire rep reputation
on being a perfect chief executive officer.
Yeah, you could easily see someone like Alex experiencing
a harsh, sober look at Trump's virus response
as the globalists blaming him for all the death.
Sure. So that might actually be a fair assessment
just through a twisted mirror.
I mean, you don't get to take credit for the things
that they and then not take blame for things.
Well, apparently you do. Oh, OK, never mind.
I forgot about that.
The second thing Alex says is that there will be truth
and reconciliation committees to demonize Trump supporters.
This is obviously Alex's way of spinning the inevitable necessity
of trying to bring humans in this country back to a place
where we can even communicate with each other.
The fracturing of a shared reality is something that needs to be addressed.
And any attempt to do that is a threat to someone like Alex,
whose entire business relies on the perpetuation of that false reality.
Attempts by people who aren't in his fantasy world to humbly reach out
and reintegrate people who got sucked into the Trump cult or Q shit
is obviously going to be painted as communist indoctrination by Alex
and truth and reconciliation committees.
His business cannot afford for him to present it any other way.
But the attempts at reaching out and having like, OK, look.
That shit was really bad.
Yeah, but we need to we need to figure out a way to move forward.
That will be what this is if Trump concedes.
The third thing he says that there will be even harsher lockdowns.
Now, I'm not sure if that's actually the case
or how Alex would define any of those terms.
But I do think that if Biden were to get into office,
a more adult, reasonable approach to a public health crisis would be enacted.
And it would be easy for Alex to paint that as this harsh crackdown.
Yeah, all of the things that he's describing, if Trump concedes
are things that are based on kernels of things that could be real.
Right. It's just preemptively painting them
as these evil nefarious plans that the globalists have.
That is how he that's how he gives himself the credibility
of having like all these like good predictions. Sure.
Of the hell that will come upon us.
Sure. But it's not that hard in this case
because we already have been told at ad nauseam
what a reasonable response would be.
And we've already not seen it.
So then taking a reasonable response is already baked into their propaganda.
You know, like the fact that we didn't take a reasonable response
makes us super smart for killing 200,000 people.
And if they do take a reasonable response,
then it's because they're trying to hurt our economy.
And it's just, yeah, they've already they've already won that messaging.
Yeah. Yeah. So on this Sunday, I kind of, you know,
I felt I felt a little bit still untethered,
like there wasn't much going on. Yeah.
You know, he's just kind of saying that the election was stolen.
Sure. Hurray. Sure.
But then we heard this clip and, man,
Owen Shroyer, he had Steve Pachanik on
and they sort of dropped the ball. Yeah.
He's about to make up for it in a big way.
OK. Let's go ahead and lay it out right now.
Owen Shroyer started tomorrow.
He's going to launch a caravan that's going to leave at 5 p.m.
from a location we're going to announce.
It's going to drive to Houston and then along the Gulf of Mexico
border to Louisiana, Mississippi into Florida.
We're going to turn north into Georgia and we'll go up
through the Carolinas into Virginia, where I will meet it in D.C.
on Friday.
I want to make a bet on that.
And we're going to call for others to launch caravans.
I would like to bet on this a million dollars in the Midwest,
in the South and in the East Coast to D.C.
Truckers are already announcing big strikes.
They're going to have take over the D.C. this next weekend.
So don't worry, President Trump, the caliber is coming.
Now I'm fucking excited. Wow. Yes. Wow.
Now we are in business. Countdown to quit.
The new segment on Knowledge Fight.
Countdown to the caravan quitting.
Well, I mean, caravan is also an unfortunate term for them to use
because the right wing was all obsessed with the caravans coming from
South. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
Seems like those are bad caravans.
Seems like a weird term.
Make sure to chose in a different word. Yeah.
But Convoy is right there.
You guys are Southern dumb dumb.
C.W. McCall would let you use the song right there.
Hey there, Rubber Duck.
We got Owen Shroyer with some Smokies on his tail.
Caravan. Get the fuck out of here.
Turn it into a convoy.
Have a little excitement.
Pick on coming up to Trump and caravans are just plodding along
from destination to destination.
Convoys, they're escaping some shit.
Well, or they're running Moonshine or they're running. Yeah.
Yeah, you're right. It should be.
It should be a convoy. Yeah.
And they could.
This is why the hard right sucks at everything.
They couldn't even get convoy right.
It starts with the same letter.
And if Alex really wanted to put some money into this,
he could hire Kellyanne Conway to run the Kellyanne Conway Conway.
It could work.
I like it.
Alliteration should guide all choices.
Yes. So I got very, very, very, very, very, very excited about it.
Yes, I'm very excited.
I am so pumped to see like what a great punishment for Owen.
Wow. What a brilliant way to punish Owen.
Well, actually, I think it's it's too prompt.
I don't know if it's necessarily a punishment,
but it's like no one else could probably do this.
True. And Owen really came into
Info Wars by yelling at people on the street.
Like his only real value to the organization
isn't as somebody who can tell whether Steve's full of shit or not.
Not good. He can't conduct interviews credulously at all.
Bad at it.
So why not just send him on a fucking tour convoy
and have people yell at him and yell at other people?
It's it's play people to their strength.
Exactly. You did the pitch and it's shit.
You fucked up.
Now we're going to get back to basics.
We're going to focus on what you do well,
and then maybe you'll get your shot again.
Yeah, he got knocked down a peg.
Yeah, you wanted to play out of position.
Yep. You blew it.
You blew it. Now I get back.
Apprentice, go back to where you began.
Exactly. Absolutely.
So I'm excited. I'm so excited for that.
The potential for like hilarity
unreal is so high for this.
I want why is this is this documented?
Is there is somebody?
Somebody has to have a camera crew there, right?
Of course. Of course.
Oh, when Shroyer has his own show, the one room.
I want the raw footage of this road trip.
There's going to be.
There is a channel on Bandod video
right now for the caravan.
Is it live streaming?
No, no. Oh, shit. God damn it.
I want the raw on this.
I can edit something beautiful.
I can't tell you like I have not.
I've not been this excited for some dumb idea
because he can't stop this.
It's something that's supposed to happen
over the course of this week.
Oh, and Shroyer is already somewhere.
Yeah. Undisclosed location.
Now, this is happening.
This is not going to.
I want to bet money on whether or not this makes it.
Oh, I will bet you money right now.
OK, Alex does not make it to DC.
I'll take that bet.
You'll take that back.
Alex is flying. All right.
He's already bought the tickets.
I don't think I think he's going to cancel it.
I don't think he's going to make it.
What do you want to bet?
Let's bet 50 bucks. OK.
Let's bet 10 bucks.
50 bucks to a charity.
All right. Yeah, I'll take that.
Sounds good. Yeah. OK.
I'm going to win this bet.
I'm going to DC.
OK, all right.
Well, I'm going to feel real dumb.
I feel like the better bet is whether or not
Owen makes it.
Oh, that's a good question because he's actually got
a challenge in front of him shopping at all of these cities.
That's true of Alex.
Alex is just going to fly.
That's what I'm saying.
See, but what I'm saying is if Owen doesn't make it,
there's no way Alex can save face on that.
Right.
It would be tough, but it would also be it's debatable
whether or not the presentation would be better
if Owen doesn't make it. That's true.
That is true.
They would have to make up some stuff.
Oh, man.
They have to make up some story about him being stopped.
Listen, that's what I want.
That's what I want.
You listen to be good and you listen to me well.
All right. Now.
OK.
If there were any way for this to have been possible,
I would almost do anything to be on that bus.
Like to be a Hunter S. Thompson.
Totally.
Like, hey, look, I don't like you guys,
but I want to do some Gonzo journalism where I come on this
bus with Owen.
I'll stay out of your way.
I'm not going to fuck with anything.
Just to be able to record this for history.
No, that's what I'm saying.
If there's raw footage, this should be filmed all the time.
Yeah.
This should be a road trip documentary.
And we should have the final cut.
This should be the new cannonball run.
Totally.
Holy shit.
There it is.
Holy shit.
Writing it down.
Some now.
Jordan, Jordan, Jordan.
Cold open.
I have to fade in.
I have to.
I have to punch this up.
OK.
Owen is down there.
All right.
He's got to get to DC for all these stops.
Sure, sure, sure.
Also, Antifa is there and they have to get to DC.
So we're getting to wacky racist territory.
Yes.
I want John Cleese involved.
Of course.
Absolutely.
Rowan Atkinson can get involved.
We have Rat Race going on.
Yeah, we have Rat Race all over again.
Yeah.
We need to have an Antifa news organization.
And then there's got to be somebody who's dastardly
and a dog that laughs.
These are the things I know about the wacky races.
And one car that's like, they're drunk,
but we're not going to show them drinking
because they're driving.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They're characters who are drunks.
You know what's going on.
Yeah.
We're not showing this for legal reasons.
So anyway, you can tell.
I'm very excited about this.
Stoked about this.
This is an exciting new development.
Yeah.
This is the first time I've been really excited about something
if a horse is down in a while.
Although I do think that there is the potential for this
to go really bad, because I think a lot of the people who
might be drawn to that would be violent types.
Sure.
And certainly, I hope that's not the case.
And that's not what I'm excited for.
I'm excited for Rowan tripping over his own foot
all the way up the eastern seaboard.
Totally.
That's what I'm interested in.
Totally.
Imagine if Paul Revere had like a two-legged horse.
That's what we're dealing with here, man.
Yeah.
So Alex gets to talking to Ali Alexander.
He comes on.
And they're just trying to get Trump not to concede.
Sure.
It's so critical, Ali, to not get the president to concede,
because the cavalry's coming, and the evidence of fraud
is mounting massively.
Ali Alexander.
We know that the president is watching these broadcasts.
And so I want to say, Mr. President,
the Calvary is coming.
So you've got Calvary and Cavalry coming.
Man, Cavalry.
Cavalry.
You're the guys who like the Bible.
Figure it out.
Maybe that's the problem, though.
They like it.
They like it too much, yeah.
That's fair.
You know, we have seen Ali Alexander really coming
into his own as a real hardline zealot.
Yeah, yeah.
Real religious Christian zealot.
So maybe he is actually saying Calvary.
That could be.
That could be.
So Calvary is coming for you?
So we're going to put you up there.
So if the election is to be believed by the, you know,
all the sources that are the reality, right?
Yeah, and then Biden won.
Yes.
And even if that's the case, Trump should still be president.
I think that's great.
Even if he'd won the election, which he hasn't,
we have a right to not let him beat the president
because they claim Trump was this Russian agent with no proof.
With Joe Biden, my God, Ali Alexander,
we've got incredible evidence.
We've got damning evidence.
We've got him dead to rights.
So I mean, like, why even do the election then
based on what you're saying?
Pretty much.
Yeah.
You're saying that the person is disqualified.
So like, why wasn't your argument?
I mean, why wasn't there like a position of fuck this election?
We shouldn't even do it.
Sure.
Instead of let's do the election.
The Democrats are going to try and steal it and Trump
will win by a landslide.
Yeah.
I don't understand.
I mean, they tried to sell that with the only way
that it's a fair election as if Trump wins.
So why do the election?
Because if he doesn't win, it's an unfair election.
But at the same time, the argument with that wasn't,
let's just not do the election.
Yeah.
Now it's like, we shouldn't have done the election.
We shouldn't even have done it.
It doesn't matter if Biden wins.
It turns out we could lose.
I didn't expect that.
Yeah.
But I think that's another thing
that they're not able to comprehend how stupid it
makes them look, right?
OK, so you're saying that Trump had no, like,
it's all fake evidence and none of it's real.
They had no evidence for the Russia thing.
Right.
But we saw a lot of it.
Yeah.
And from varied sources all over the place, right?
So if that's manufactured, that's well manufactured.
Quite.
Currently, Trump is proving that Biden stole the election.
We have very little evidence.
Well, we have Rudy Giuliani at a landscaping place.
See, so they're even admitting that they're bad.
They're worse at faking evidence than the.
Shut the fuck up, Dennis Montgomery.
All right.
And hold your horses.
I'm sorry.
Hold your horses.
Google Google data.
Alex Alex showed the Google data.
That's true.
Come on.
That's true.
Get it together.
I would I would think that they could at least get one
person like a like a Michael Flynn or a Michael
Cohen to like flip for him just for a little Michael Flynn's
lawyers pumping out the Dennis Montgomery.
Yeah, but from the other side, you know, they got to get a
they got to entrap someone and have them like turn rogue
or whatever.
So I think what they really want, though, and I think
that's something we've been kind of aware of sure is for
Trump to seize power and is to be a Christian theocracy.
Yes.
And Ali is a little bit too open about that.
They're perverts and they're seeking to you and I have talked
about this invert, invert all of these holy orders that we
have the Christianity stabilize this this feral version of
what Rome had, you know, after it burned and all this
Christianity injected into Western civilization, a
stabilizing formula, Western civilization didn't work until
he had it.
Exactly.
So the basis of what we call Western civilization now is
Christianity, because prior Western civilization didn't
work.
Oh, so whenever you talk about like Western civilization
being what you're all about, you're actually just talking
about like, I don't know, a Christian religious state, a
theocracy.
Oh, OK, cool.
I'm glad.
I'm glad that we can have that in the clear now.
It is.
It is kind of see it is kind of obvious.
I mean, in the clear again.
Yeah, I mean, that's really their only option.
If they if they can't even really lie about the election
results, because nobody's buying it, except for everybody
that they like, then your only option is then just to out
and out be like, well, in order to save the Republic, we
have to become a Christian theocracy.
Yeah, I think that that's sort of the the underlying trend
that you see from people like Ali, obviously, and a little
bit on Info Wars.
But actually, the sense that I got from this Sunday episode
was very much not that interested in the election fraud
stuff anymore.
Like he kind of it's just like, we proved it.
And he has stuff like this that happened, but his focus seems
to be elsewhere.
Here's Biden two months ago saying we've got the most
people ever for election fraud.
And then Pelosi a week and a half ago saying I don't care
what happens with this thing coming up.
He'll be inaugurated after.
And they told us they do it with the ballots and they did
it because there was one thing criminals do they love to brag.
Only time they tell the truth is when they're telling you how
they're effing you over.
Here it is.
Secondly, we're in a situation where we have put together
and you guys did it for our administration, the President
Obama's administration before this.
We have put together, I think, the most extensive and
inclusive voter fraud organization in the history
of American politics.
But we are ready.
I feel very confident that Joe Biden will be elected
President on Tuesday, whatever the end count is, but on the
election that occurs on Tuesday, he will be elected on
January 20th.
He will be inaugurated President of the United States.
She's the one that goes to the salon that's going bankrupt,
doesn't wear a mask, it's caught not wearing a O but for the
TV, she wears it up there on the stage.
I find that that like sort of that second clip was useless.
I don't think that that was I didn't I didn't hear anything
in there that was even like suspicious.
No, I think I think he's just trying to pass off just
confidence as my knowledge for knowledge.
But I think that yeah, perhaps, but I think even he
recognized that was so weak that he had to complain about the
salon instead of anything that's in the clip.
That is weak tea.
Now the one of Biden sounds a little worse, and if you think
that he was just speaking and then accidentally said that
they put together a voter fraud organization, then you might
reach the conclusion that Alex is presenting.
However, that's not Biden misspeaking.
It's a clip taken from an interview on Pod Save America
from back in October.
In reality, if the person who found that clip had allowed it
to play in full, it would be painfully obvious that Biden
was talking about organizing to stop and avoid instances of
voter fraud.
But honestly, that's not the best word that he could have
used what he was referring to as more of the broad spectrum
of voter disenfranchisement.
Immediately after the clip stops, Biden goes on to discuss
the call in line that had been set up to connect people with
lawyers who can help if they have trouble voting or face
intimidation at the polls.
These are the sorts of specifics Alex has because it's about
appearances, not reality.
That clip sounds really bad, like Biden was accidentally
admitting to setting up a voter fraud organization.
But it only does if you only listen to that little snippet.
So, you know, you're creating this facade, this veneer,
like, ah, we proved it.
He admitted it in public.
Jesus.
But he's doing that to sort of not talk about it that much.
Right, right, right.
Because I don't think he wants to talk about it that much.
He wants to talk about this goddamn caravan.
Absolutely.
Because that's exciting.
That is exciting.
And then he also has an emergency message.
All right, I'm going to issue an emergency message to
President Trump coming up at the bottom of the hour.
So, we've got that message coming up.
And I think that that's really where he wants this.
He wants to put his focus.
Sure, sure, sure.
And we'll get to that in a minute.
Because his focus is never far from one person.
One person in this world haunts Alex like a...
Keith Olberman?
Like a we-etch.
Bill Maher.
He's an indeed disgusting pus bucket that they're
preparing to remove.
And then Kamala Harris will probably
bring Hillary Clinton in.
What a time to be alive.
Indeed.
What a time to be alive.
Still trying to fantasy book Hillary into this election.
I just don't.
I mean, if you want millions of people outside the White House,
try and trick everyone into getting Hillary Clinton
to become president now.
Wouldn't you just be vice president then?
And then Kamala Harris would then have to step down to...
Step down.
They would trade jobs.
You know, constitutional stuff.
Sure.
So this is where I've already...
I think based on our behavior so far,
you can already tell I'm super excited about this convoy.
Now, here's where I got real excited.
And then Owen Shroyer's coming in here live.
He's live, and he's strong, and he's
preparing to deploy on a four-day trip to DC
and lead a massive caravan where you can join it.
And if you decide to join it, it will send a message
to the globalists that they are in deep trouble.
Everybody always wanted to march on DC.
It's here.
When the chips are down, what are you going to do now?
Stay with us.
So I felt challenged by that.
When the chips are down, what are you going to do?
And I realized we're going to join that caravan.
No, we have to do an episode on Friday.
Of course we do.
If there ever was an emergency episode
necessary, we got to follow up on the caravan.
Yeah, the caravan is the only thing I care about now.
Yes, it's the only thing.
Because do you know what?
I think that's going to be fun.
Yeah, I think that's going to be fun for us.
Yeah, I even think it's going to be fun for Owen
and all the people in the caravan.
You'd forgotten.
It's a very good time.
Temporarily forgotten about Assassin's Creed
because this caravan is exciting.
This is a fun thing.
I want to now I kind of want to do a caravan.
Yeah, you almost like you can just envision in your head
like sad moments of Owen with funny music behind it.
It's great.
So it's not going to be a normal, regular thing.
No, but caravan necessitates.
We got to do an episode on Friday about the caravan.
We won't know if Alex has shown up in DC
by the time that episode comes out.
Our bet will have to be decided on Friday.
But there will be plenty of caravan nonsense to get into.
Yeah, me too.
God, it's just going to be a series of banana peels.
I can't imagine it being anything else.
So Alex teased that he has this emergency message coming up.
And here he throws to it.
OK, the video is at Bandod video.
It's at infowars.com.
Alex Jones's emergency message to President Trump
do not concede.
There's over a million people conservatively on our streams.
Over a million listed on radio stations.
That's 2 million people.
Conservatively.
I love you.
I appreciate you're amazing.
I appreciate those that brought you here.
If you decide to spread this video,
the president will wake up and say no.
If you don't, we're doomed.
Here is the report.
I bet if you spread it, it still isn't going to.
No, it'll be fine.
I don't know if Trump's going to see, like, ooh,
a lot of shares on that info wars video.
I better wake up, better snap out of it.
Oh, man, that info wars video has almost as many likes
as that dumb tweet I just posted five seconds ago.
I better change all of my things.
Yeah, this is where I got to go.
Yeah.
Now, I felt cheated by this because the emergency message
that he was teasing, I didn't realize
it was a prerecorded video.
He just did this so he can leave half an hour early.
He just, oh, that sucks.
He just leaves.
That sucks.
He just leaves?
Yeah.
But, you know, he has an emergency message to Trump,
so we better find out what it is.
Of course.
President Trump, you were about to be approached by Joe Biden
and his new COVID-19 commission.
They're going to tell you that, sir,
you're going to be blamed for the hundreds of thousands
of deaths unless you sign on to a new lockdown, contact
tracing, and even people being taken from their homes
and forced inoculations.
When you sign on to that, you will
be confirming that COVID-19 was your fault
and legitimizing the martial law takedown of this country
and the complete shutdown of our economy.
This will be the end of the republic,
and you, sir, will be known as Benedict Arnold, who
allowed it all to happen.
Trump, you are going to be approached by Biden's team.
Trump, they are behind you right now.
Trump, at midnight, you will be visited by 13 ghosts.
The fourth will give you an envelope.
It has the location.
Come on, man.
What are we doing?
All right.
So this is kind of what I think Alex wants to turn this into,
as opposed to worrying too much about, like, ah, voter fraud
or whatever, which feels just dead.
It feels deflated, even on Alex's show.
What he wants to talk about is, during this 79 days of hell,
Biden and his transition team are
going to have some ideas about better ways
to address the COVID-19 situation.
And so what the real conspiracy is,
is they're going to make like a fucking demand of Trump
that he get on board with their plan,
their globalist plan.
And if he doesn't, then they're going
to blame the deaths on him.
Sure.
But if he does, then they're going
to blame the damage to the economy
that their evil plans do.
They're going to blame that on Trump.
He has no win situation except to come out and say,
go fuck yourselves, globalists.
But then, even if they do that, they're
going to try and use the 25th Amendment
to take him out of office.
Sure.
It's really much more exciting than Rudy Giuliani's press
conference and the very, very boring voter fraud claims
that Dennis Montgomery is peddling.
You'd think that that press conference
should take an entire party down.
That's how sad that was.
I wanted to laugh at it because it's maybe, objectively,
the funniest thing I've ever heard.
Yeah, and it's confusingly funny.
Everything about it.
What I thought about it is everybody who is like,
oh, comedy is going to be good under the Trump
administration.
And I'm like, every single thing I've
seen of people trying to dunk on this
is not as funny and never will be as its mere existence.
Like, you're never going to win.
There's no point in trying comedy over Rudy Giuliani
standing next to a porn shop with a fucking pedophile
right next to him.
It just doesn't get better than that.
There's no joke that is better than that.
And it's a landscaping place also called for seasons.
The fucking he himself is an implied pedophile
after the 15-year-old girl thing.
Like, this whole thing is off the rails.
What joke do I have?
None.
None?
Yeah.
So Alex's message to Trump is largely
like, you got to talk more shit, man.
It's so essential for you now to not concede the election,
but to come out with your bully pulpit of the Oval Office
and lay out the Newsweek articles
and the New Scientist articles and all the documents
that Fauci and Gates under Obama's command
before you ever got into office in 2013, 14, and 15
were running the very exact COVID-19 weaponized virus test.
Trump, you got to use our talking points.
You got to get in the Oval Office and say, Infowars, shit.
That'll really help me out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Now, what's really funny is if you watch the video of this,
while Alex is talking, those articles flash up on screen.
And one of them is that article from The Scientist.
Oh, no.
And right under the headline is an editor's note
about how there are conspiracy theories connecting
this article to COVID-19 and the coronavirus,
and this is all unsubstantiated.
Of course.
So even as Alex is trying to show this evidence,
there's a, this doesn't work.
He's accidentally fact checking himself?
So they're going to try and remove Trump early is the thing.
That's what this emergency message is all about.
Sir, I want you and your advisors
to know what they're planning to do to drive you from office
before January 20th and how they're
planning to then blame you for COVID-19 that's
been their plan all along.
If they're able to trick you, then your legacy and all
your supporters will be irrevocably connected
to the COVID-19 deaths, and the American people
will be persecuted, and Americanism itself
will be demonized connected to the Wuhan virus, which
is a Chinese Communist bioweapon.
I would say that history is not going
to be super kind to Trump's fans, period,
about their response to do.
Probably not going to go well.
I don't think that's dependent on Trump leaving early
or staying until January or being
tricked by imaginary globalists.
I think we're just going to look back and be like, huh,
it's not weird how responding poorly
to a public health crisis seemed to be a policy plank.
Yeah, that doesn't seem like a good idea.
That's very strange.
My new policy is murder.
It's very weird.
The end.
So anyway, they're going to try and use that 25th Amendment
to get Trump out.
They will demand that you, who is still president,
elected under the Constitution, implement these plans.
If you do not immediately agree, they're
going to say that 260 plus 1,000, most of the deaths,
as you know from something else, are on your watch
and are on your head, and that you
are guilty of this under the 25th Amendment
and are not fit to be the president of the United States.
They want to further discredit you,
not just with this fraudulent election,
but to certify that fraudulent election
by having your own cabinet remove you
under the 25th Amendment because you
don't follow the recommendations and orders
of Joe Biden's new globalist COVID-19 task force.
I mean, what's the point?
I don't understand why.
I think what's funny about this is that he's, OK,
in his world, all right, we live in a,
this is what they would do, so we do it.
But they would do what our plans are
that we're doing right now, right?
So I think Alex is actually saying that, one,
he knows all of this stuff is true.
This is all Trump's fault.
And that the only way, the best way for us to go about this
is to use the 25th Amendment to remove him from office
to do all this stuff early.
Like, he's saying that the best plan
is doing all this stuff.
Exactly.
Wow.
He's telling us what he would do in our situation.
Right.
But that's not always still even the best thing to do.
It's not a good plan.
But it is funny every time he does this,
because he's like, here is what I would do.
And that's what they're trying to do already.
Yeah, I hear it more like, yeah, it's
going to look real bad if competent leadership comes in
and people are like, oh, this is what we've been missing.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's going to look real bad.
It's going to take a whole lot of the like, oh,
the deep state, all these weird, weird things
that have been going on over the past couple of years.
These weird excuses are all just going to look kind of dumb.
And I think Alex recognizes that.
And you know, you got to distract people.
Now, the way to do that is to create something fun
in that 79 days of hell.
They're going to try and get rid of Trump before Trump
has to leave anyway.
I mean, the thing that scares me is there's only two ways
for Trump to go.
And that is to step down early and have
Pence write the most broad pardon in the history
of the United States that somehow also supersedes
any and all state crimes that Trump has committed,
or not leave, because anything other than those two,
and he's going to jail.
So I think he knows that.
First of all, innocent.
He's not going to jail.
And it's until proven guilty.
First of all, sure, sure, sure, sure, second.
I don't I don't know.
I don't know if that's the case, but I could easily
see some kind of a brokered immunity.
I mean, I don't know.
There's no there's just nothing to say.
If he leaves office, he's going to lose all of his money.
Like it's going to be a bloodbath for him personally,
because he's bad at everything.
And I think what's going to save us
is he's too incompetent to do either of the only two things
that he can do.
It may be.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think my suspicion.
I think we'll see.
I'm not entirely sure.
That's my suspicion.
But Alex is presenting Trump with this position
where like if you're going to be approached by a man
in a trench coat, sure, and he is going to tell you
Biden's secret plan.
Sure.
And should you say no to this plan,
they will blame you for all deaths.
Right.
However, if you say yes to it, here is what you got to do.
Or here's what's going to happen.
If you follow the lockdown, they will put your name
on the coming depression in the United States
and blame you for all the previous deaths,
saying later you actually admitted
that you were the one behind it all.
Again, you don't sign on to it.
You've got to come out and expose Fauci, Bill Gates, Joe
Biden, and all of them in Oval Office addresses.
And that is the only path to stop them.
So this is the 20% he was talking about earlier, I think.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Is Trump giving Oval Office addresses
where he spouts info wars, conspiracies?
Yep.
All right.
I guess I think 20% is a embarrassingly high chance
to give that of success.
Sure.
I think as far as Alex goes, this is a great swing.
It's a great swing.
It's as good as he can do.
Trump has nothing left to lose.
And this would be great for Alex's business.
So why not see if Trump will do some shit for him now?
I think even Alex has to recognize that that's,
I think, a fruitless strategy.
Probably.
But I do think that this is better for Alex
than getting too hung up on the election stuff.
Sure, sure, sure, sure.
And also getting too hung up on fucking,
like even addressing Steve's nonsense.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like it's a better game to play that like,
oh, the COVID, it's really about.
Because then that kind of has a stage removed
from the strict electoral stuff and the parties.
You can still claim that there's something outside of politics
that this is about the globalists' evil plan.
You know, I think that that is good for him.
So I think that that's why he's focusing on this.
And this message to the president, supposedly,
is not about fight in Michigan, fight in Pennsylvania.
Get there to count the ballots.
Make sure all of it, you know, like,
get Steve Pachanic on the phone.
He said it's a sting operation or whatever.
You know, like, he's not doing that because, sure,
that should live in the background, but it's proven already.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's proven already.
We can move on.
We have to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We have to because there's more pressing information.
Exactly.
And that is that Biden's COVID response team
is really a Trojan horse to get Trump out
with the 25th Amendment or, you know,
that's pretty good on his part in terms of spin
and the way he's playing things.
Let Knight handle Steve Pachanic,
get Owen out of the studio for a while.
Let me try and fucking thread whatever needle
that I need to to try and keep us in business after next week.
Yeah, and I think that's about as good as you can get.
And it's a better strategy than I would have expected.
Giant publicity stunt out of this caravan.
Totally.
Yeah.
No, this is a far better plan than I ever
would have expected from them.
I don't even know if it's a plan.
I wonder if it's just kind of like, all right, what can we do?
All right, this could work.
Yeah.
I don't know if it's some grand machination
on their part or anything, but I think it fulfills
a number of the requirements that get around some
of the problems they have.
It's still not a good play because it's still
like, I mean, what happens when the 25th Amendment isn't invoked?
What happens when these votes are certified and Biden is,
they do need to have the transition teams take over?
I don't know.
What happens in January?
Like, these are only little band-aids you can put on this.
There's still a much larger problem
that isn't being addressed by it.
Right.
But in terms of being like Alex Jones,
where you've got to keep moving, the Shark of Lies,
Piranha of Truth, Shark of Lies, in terms of being that guy,
it's as good as you could do right now.
Yeah.
I agree.
I wouldn't be surprised if they half-assed their way
into an accidental, competent move.
I don't know if it's competent.
Competent, we're great.
We grate on a curve.
That's true.
We grate on a curve.
I would have expected him to be eating parts of his desk
by now.
That's the curve I'm dealing with.
Yeah.
I make my desk out of survival foods.
Exactly.
Why not?
Yeah.
This desk, it looks like it's made of glass.
It's actually sugar.
You need calories.
On my last episode, I fall into the desk from 20 feet above.
Giving Owen an elbow drop.
Yeah, exactly.
So on this next clip, Alex is talking.
I mean, like, is it?
It's just background dressing that Trump won the election
and it was stolen.
Sure.
President Trump, the mainstream media
has choreographed all of this.
They have fraudulently blamed you for COVID-19.
The American people do not believe it.
They know the truth.
They elect you overwhelmingly.
And so this new fifth coup of election fraud
is designed to take you out.
If you comply, if you, quote, take the olive branch
of the neocons and Mitt Romney and George W. Bush
and say, OK, I'll follow the recommendations
of President-elect Joe Biden to lock things down,
to wear the mask, to take inoculations,
and for contact tracers, they will then turn around later
and admit that you were repudiated
and the deaths were your fault and legitimize
the persecution of your supporters.
So basically, Alex is just being like, for our sake,
please seize power.
Yeah.
But also, the thing I find most interesting about that
is that Alex calls Biden president-elect.
Yeah, I know.
I feel like you would be more petty than that.
They all know.
I feel like you would be.
That's really weird.
They all know.
That's really strange.
I feel like.
You can do a second take.
I know he's a one-take guy.
Oh, no, there are cuts in here.
Oh, there are?
Oh, my god.
He mispronounced a word.
Fraudulent a couple of times, yeah.
Yeah, it's not great.
But even in this message that is, like I said,
there's some editing.
There's some effort that went into this.
And it's supposed to be like a message directly to Trump.
There's an elephant in the room that Alex can't even
ignore in this message.
And that is that Trump is not being a leader.
We are waiting for leadership.
We need the address from the Oval Office.
We need you to reconfirm in the face of Fox News
and the other sell-out traders that you are never
going to concede to fraud and sell out
the election system in this country.
We know you're our champion and we stand behind you.
So even that is kind of like a call out a little bit.
Man, I feel so like Joe Rogan and Alex,
like so many of these people are sitting here being like,
where's Q?
Where's Trump?
Where's all this stuff?
And it's like, guys, they weren't your friends.
They've been using you.
You're the fool here.
I know you can't admit it, but that's what you've got to get.
You just brought up Joe Rogan.
So I need to say two things real quick.
Someone sent me a message about Tim Dillon
on Joe Rogan's show.
And they pointed out to me that Tim Dillon is a sober person.
I don't know if recovery or whatever.
Or if he's just doesn't use it.
Or he's just straight edge or whatever.
So he doesn't drink or smoke.
When we were saying that he was high,
it was because he had kept saying he was high.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I realized that what he was probably saying
is he's high because he's around or something,
high on the excitement.
And I misspoke and I apologize about that.
I didn't mean to imply Tim was high when he wasn't.
I don't know anything about him.
No, neither do I.
And that's why I made that mistake.
Easy to make.
Second.
I'm glad he's an asshole without PEDs.
Second.
I think I had this fantasy that Rogan,
you know, he's like, I just rationalize
having Alex on my show.
Sure.
I just started thinking about how fun it would be
if he's like forced to have Alex's friends on the show.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
It's like, yeah, all right.
Okay, you want Alex on there?
You gotta bring a Pachennic on there.
Yeah, Steve Pachennic's gonna come fuck with you
for a little while.
Yeah, if you want to say that this guy's sources
and shit are backed up and we've got a fact checker
right there, let's bring Dr. Pachennic right next to you.
Yeah, next.
And see how that goes.
Next episode.
Yeah, let's fucking dance that dance, Joe.
You want to do this, do it.
Next time.
Vox Day is coming in.
And now, Nick Fuentes.
Florida Congress will be elected.
Laura Loomer is coming up on it.
I don't think it's outside the possibility
that Loomer has been on Rogan.
That doesn't.
I don't think she has.
I don't think so either.
Yeah, I just had that fantasy.
That seemed pretty fun.
That would be very fun.
Forcing Rogan to have Alex's friends on.
If you want to have Alex back again,
sit down with these ding dongs.
Wrestle with that bullshit.
John Rappaport coming on the Rogan experience.
Is that Batman appearing from the bushes?
So anyway, Alex brings up a headline in his address to Trump.
This is one of his current talking points.
And now, President Trump,
we have the head of the UK military,
their secretary of defense, their chairman,
of their joint chiefs, of their defense staff,
General Sir Nick Carter.
Coming out and saying this lockdown
could trigger World War III,
and there's an extreme danger of it,
and that another lockdown is not needed.
So this is a headline of an article
that Alex didn't read about an interview
with General Sir Nick Carter on Sky News,
where he discussed how the continuing COVID-19 situation
and some of the economic ramifications of it
around the world has the potential
to exacerbate regional conflicts that already exist.
Many people don't feel like regional conflicts
are too relevant to their lives,
but Carter was trying to point out that, quote,
rhythms of history showed that localized tensions
can easily ratchet up and drag nations to war.
What he was saying is that regional conflict
can often escalate when it's miscalculated and ignored.
He said, quote,
if you look back at the last century before both World Wars,
I think it was inarguable that there was escalation,
which led to the miscalculation,
which ultimately led to war at a scale
we hopefully never see again.
His comments weren't meant to imply
that dealing with COVID-19 could cause a third World War,
and he never said that measures that Alex would exaggerate
into calling lockdowns are unnecessary.
That's Alex's imagination about what an article
he hasn't read says based on his impression of the headline.
The interview is given to celebrate Rememberance Sunday,
a UK day of commemoration for the service persons
of their country who participated in the two World Wars.
Given this context, the general's comments
and the interview made a lot more sense,
but it's exactly this context
that Alex makes it his job to deprive his audience of.
It's bad enough when the intended audience
is some listener who might buy dumb pills,
but it's another thing when he's imagining
that he's conning the president with this bullshit.
Like, it makes total sense.
This is a Rememberance Sunday interview
about these World Wars and the concern
that regional conflicts can grow and gulf other people.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, you know,
World War One was a rich guy got killed
and then a bunch of cousins fought each other, you know?
So we have one last clip here, Jordan,
and this is such a metaphor.
This is a audio metaphor for Alex Jones's
dumb, dumb message to Trump.
Mike, down for this,
because I want you to experience this in its fullness.
We're still on air at mfullwars.com,
and we're going to be making major announcements
later this evening about massive caravans
from all corners of the United States
descending on Washington, D.C.
in the next few days, led by infowars.com
and more action we're about to take.
Mr. President, we don't just have your back.
Attention business owners body slam by overwhelming debt.
Just, just amazing.
Just, I can't even, I can't say enough about that.
This is, this is-
That should have been a commercial for four seasons
land case.
It would be amazing.
Oh, God, that would have been beautiful.
This is a video that Alex pre-recorded
so he could leave work early
so you could give a message of desperation to the president.
And it, first of all, ends with a plug
for infowars.com for a show.
Of course.
He's plugging that in his message
directly to the president.
Well, I mean, if Joe Arpaio's going to plug his book
in a message to me.
What a dick.
What a dick.
But that does imply like, okay,
the message to Trump part is kind of part of the performance.
Sure.
I think it's painfully obvious.
Yeah.
And then it's just hilarious that they mistimed it
and he got cut off by the break.
You know how long it is.
You do.
You do.
It's to the second.
Yes.
It is recorded already.
There's numbers on there.
You can see it.
Three zero,
colon zero one.
Yep.
Don't run it until 2850.
There's no reason that you need to be getting cut off
by the break.
It's not possible.
It's just not possible.
It's a recognition that this is performance art
for the audience.
And then second, it's also an admission that like,
it's not as important as commercials.
None of this actually means anything.
We don't really care about getting the whole message in.
It's kind of just the fact that we did it.
We like, and hey, Trump, get excited.
These Carol fans are coming.
Great thing to say.
We've got your back.
Are you having the overwhelming debt?
Just so good because it's in the statement
of we've got your back and then you literally disappear.
It's just perfect.
Yeah.
Imagine if you're Trump listening to that.
He's like, what else?
Not only do I have your, but what else?
It's an important message.
Pills.
I've got pills.
I got your back and I got pills.
So we come to the end of this and I got to say,
you know, rare need for a Friday episode,
but this caravan demands it.
I'm excited to follow the adventures of Owen Schreuer
across these United States.
I'm excited to see what kind of goofs happen.
I wish I was there desperately.
This caravan has breathed new life into me.
This is very exciting.
And I just, whoever they hire,
I know they've got somebody video.
I know they've got somebody with cameras.
You got to give us the raw footage.
You got to give, it should be 24 seven filming.
This should be a fucking David Attenborough documentary.
Like that's what we're dealing with here.
The bus or whatever they're using to go down there
should be like hardwired video audio at all times.
Werner Herzog is there.
Werner Herzog has to be there.
Yeah.
The potential for this just to be an amazing story
that might never get told is too high.
It's too high.
I know.
I know.
Oh, dude.
We'll do our best.
Yes, we got this.
And we'll see you then.
But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
We do have a website.
It's knowledgefight.com.
Yes, or also on Twitter.
We are on Twitter.
It's at knowledgefight.net.
Go to bed, Jordan.
Yep, we're also on Facebook.
We are Facebook.
We are just really viewed as it.
If you could please find a local charity or bail fund
in your area to help out people doing God's work.
Yep, we'll be back.
But until then, I'm Neo.
I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark.
I'm Darryl Rundis.
I think it's totally fine if you watch Dancing with the Stars.
Andy and Chanz will share on the air.
Thanks for holding.
Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller.
I'm a huge fan.
I love your work.
I love you.