Knowledge Fight - #55: Megyn Kelly Interview Pt. 2

Episode Date: June 19, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the good and bad (mostly not great) points about Megyn Kelly's interview with Alex Jones.

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding Well, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes sit around drink novelty beverages and talk about Alex Jones Jesus you are rushing through this shit. Yeah, you might as well. Call me Call me Call me. Do you want to go with that? You want to go with a Russian investigation? I'm Russian my investigation into Alex Jones There you go And I don't know anything about Alex Jones

So we're back for part two of our coverage of the Megan Kelly interview We have done pre game and now this is post game interview and Boy, I'll tell you what she fucking nailed him to the wall. Really? Nope. Oh God damn it, Dan. You gave me hope for one second. Oh, I'll tell you that I'll give you a summation of what I think ahead of time. It's very predictable. Uh-huh Alex Jones does not need tapes Secretly made of these that it's I Don't want to call Megan Kelly shit because that's not fair and she has a Career behind her. She's a trained journalist and it's easy to armchair quarterback to say well could have done better

Right, but the reality is she got so close. Oh really? She got so close and also so far Yeah, there were a couple moments where isn't that always the way of it? Yeah, there are a couple moments that we're like, oh legitimately like push it push it push it. Yeah And then it was the subject wasn't pushed. It's clear that the intention of it was Sandy Hook, right? It's clear that a further intention of it is to make more explicit the connection between Alex Jones and Donald Trump Okay, those two things are very clear. I wouldn't say it's necessarily a hatchet job It's just it's not good. It's not right. It's not what she should have done Well, it was it was it an entertaining interview like did she accomplish that? Not for me

But I know a lot about Alex Jones, right, you know, so if for me it there were a couple moments where I was impressed Okay, Doug something up. That's good, but that we have covered. Okay. Well So but it's a couple of moments where I was like you might have listened to our show No, certainly not but it's like, oh, that's outside. That's outside the mainstream So because there's a couple things that have reached the zeitgeist the Turning frogs gay. Yeah, the everything that's been memed call and shift a cocksucker These things are or even Trump's call when he called into the right. These are in public consciousness There are a couple moments where she pulls out something like oh damn

Something's Islamophobia shit. No, I know we'll get to it. Okay. I have just segmented the entire report Okay, and let's just start it off. We'll go with where she began. So if you've listened to the pregame interview that was Six and a half hours long and if you've cut together the entire interview this time It will be five and a half hours long. Not a chance. Okay, this has way less to discuss Frankly, alright, I do have some suggestions of what I wish she would have done Certainly and I'm sure you'll have some of your own, but I think I think we can probably get this done in an hour We could bang this out. Yeah, I think so. So here we go first tonight our report on the incendiary radio host Alex Jones. I'm already out for years. Jones has been spreading conspiracy theories

Claiming for instance that elements of the US government allowed the 9-11 attacks to happen and that the horrific Sandy Hook massacre was a hoax Some thought we shouldn't broadcast this interview because his baseless allegations aren't just offensive. They're dangerous But here's the thing Alex Jones isn't going away Over the years his YouTube channel has racked up 1.3 billion views He has millions of listeners and the ear of our current president We begin our report with his reaction to the recent terrorist attack in Manchester, England So that's her introduction to the piece and I really don't like the tone of it

Because it sounds like she's asking for help. Yeah, there is a submissiveness not like not like as she's a weak woman But there is an implicit like you guys The president listens to him right and I just I just wrote down rationalization Sure, like that was the first thought I had listening to that intro is she Heard all of the criticism because I'm assuming that this was this was recorded after probably there was some blowback Well, I mean she even says people said we shouldn't yeah, exactly. So this whole thing is like We aired we did this interview you told us not to but here's why we're doing it for you Right, and I agree with the basic premise that like hey guys take him seriously

Right, but the angle is how that's in that's our premise the angle that I would come from is not The president listens to him he has millions of viewers because that empowers him right the angle that I would take is he is a out-and-out bigot he is a monster and He lies all the time which is that very reminiscent of the president who's here he has right, but if you make that line so So, you know if you make such a big deal out of that then it To dumb people it kind of reinforces Alex right in the same way the press credentials are an illusory thing We you can just get them. Uh-huh like that that's a stunt or whatever

So it it reinforces him in some people's eyes. I think it's the wrong way to go He has over a billion views. Yeah, this man is powerful. Mm-hmm. I have reached a powerful man He has Millions of listeners regardless of whether or not he does well The thing is in order to make the premise of her piece work She has to build him up to take him down of course and that is kind of foolish because if you have the introduction being like He has the ear of a strong president He has billions of listeners blah blah blah all this all you're doing is

Making your job harder. Yeah, if you say he has lots of people who listen to him But they're people who are being lied to right and you clearly Demarcate like most of his narratives have to do with bigotry Most of them have to do with white identity. Oh if you do that You can come at it from a more robust perspective Yeah, begin with and in a way that doesn't explicitly empower him, but she can't open that way you could I could do it Yes, but she can't I mean I mean on on NBC. She probably not. Yeah, probably not It would be and that would be like

That would be a fucking flamethrower across the bow. Yeah, it's like we're gonna light this shit on fire and get the fuck out But some what that's we kind of have to do. Yeah, well exactly. It's fucking Alex Jones He's an emotional guy and he does hit people on an emotional level because clearly It's not on a rational level. No and Megan tries to Play some of those games that emotional stuff as we'll see as it goes on and it's a completely Ineffective tactic Technic tactic, uh, so she's an ineffective tactic as she introduced they wanted to start with the Manchester situation she gets into that and

Here we go Alex Jones was nearly 5,000 miles away from Manchester England when a suicide bomber killed 22 people at a concert less than four weeks ago Despite the distance and with few facts known Jones did what he often does jumped mouth first into controversy. This is it bomb At pop stars rock concert bombing a bunch of liberal trendies You said it was a bunch of liberal trendies who were killed The same people who are promoting open borders

Bringing islamists in Yes In response to which many people looked at the victims many of them were 15 14 It was a little bit. I'm sorry. I didn't blow them up. I know but I did something bad though No that that you would suggest that that an eight that an eight year old Right. There was sapphie rose russo Eight years old that she was a liberal trendy

Because that's what you said about the victims is what has people know that's yeah No, no the the media misrepresenting and clipping that the way you did Right out the gate. Alex Heard about it the ages of the victims weren't even known But they were saying it was jihadi and I said how crazy is it that liberal trendies are now the victims And then I start going and looking of of course if there's kids being killed by mussels I'm not saying that that that it's their fault Reckless accusation you blame them equivocations and excuses is classic alex jones. So megan is giving a little bit too much

leeway to the audience absolutely to draw their own conclusions She needed to press much harder on the fact that he straight up just admitted there I made a video and I made these claims when I didn't have any of the information I didn't even know anything about the victims. Right. I didn't know any of the details She should have pressed incredibly hard on that That's bullshit on our episode about that. Yeah, he very clearly said that it was the parents fault Yep that their kids died. Yep. It was the parents who supported open borders who were the cause of their own children's death Now if you were to bring that up to him, he'd be like, yeah, that's proof that I didn't say this eight-year-old was a liberal trendy

I was talking about the parents. Yeah, I'm then I was talking about how it's the parents fault that their kids died Yeah, and let's just fucking deal with this for a second too before we get to it There is a lot of sandy hook stuff here and apparently I haven't seen it But I saw on twitter that it's being reported that alex jones put out a sandy hook video tonight Oh, no, he apparently and I I'm not a hundred percent sure on this I should up I should reload his channel and see if there is a video that he has put out But from what I understand he was going to put out a video pleading to yep. Yep. Here it is

alex jones father's day message to new town families. Oh, fuck Fucking christ and he apparently claims that the mainstream media lies about him and he wants to start a dialogue directly with them which is Fucking no, that's abuse that that in and of itself is abusive to these families. So absolutely he's It like if it wasn't about murdered children, that's great trolling But it is so it's not Uh, but yeah, he he's lying about what he said about manchester even in this interview

She's just allowing him to lie on television. Yeah and not pressing the issue that oh, oh you did you you just said that you didn't know What you were talking about Yeah, when you posted this video that people are going to listen to right and they people think is the truth and not only that But you just admitted you lied you constantly say that you are always proven correct. Yep 99 of the time you are always proven correct. Yep dumb dumb Anyway, here this is the after this she gets into a discussion of trump stuff They can just cart blanch go anywhere they want. He has spent nearly two decades on the fringe

Shouting his conspiracy theories into any microphone. He could get in front of bigotry Here he is on austin community television in 2001 tyranny is enveloping the globe I want to pause it for a second because the way she frames it the entire time is conspiracy theories Yeah, exactly and as we know from researching him for the last six months That's not at all really an accurate depiction of what he is or what he does Maybe it was at the beginning right, but it is not no it is absolutely not it and I don't I I know that you got it the limitations of news magazine shows are real and I understand You got to work within a network and you can't say something that could get you sued because you know you have standards

Unlike alex, right, uh, but it's it's so reductive to call him a conspiracy theorist when you don't follow up with Most of your conspiracies really dovetail into race and fucking masculinity. Yeah, is that you do you think that's interesting alex? Absolutely, and it she doesn't really get into that and that's kind of disappointing. Well, just like just like we I don't know If we talked about this on air, uh, but we definitely texted about it where it's like no news station No news station will directly come out and say You are espousing white nationalist beliefs. Yeah. Yeah, that's not going to happen And that's the only thing that should happen until it's way too late. Yeah, exactly

And then it'll be some rogue channel Even if they interviewed like richard spencer, they wouldn't be like You've you've declared yourself a white nationalist Well, w come out bell interviewed richard spencer and half of the stuff that I saw on twitter about it was Charles barkley giving a side-eye You know most of it was about like charles barkley being surprised by the things that richard spencer says jesus And look i'm not going to say that that is look that's another issue for another day Right. He and his company info wars have been steadily gaining followers for years

Producing radio shows and webcasts which reach millions a month But jones's influence hit new heights when he attracted a very famous fan Then presidential candidate donald trump. I just want to finish by saying your reputation is amazing In december 2015 mr. Trump appeared on jones's radio program offering praise and promises I will not let you down. You will be very very Impressed I hope and I think we'll be speaking a lot so, um, I think that there's a really Bad missed opportunity to go into like the investigation that we're doing into 2015

If she would have just listened to something from that time period and heard alex saying Donald trump is a con man. He's the front man for some consortiums on the east coast You could make this part of your interview really much more interesting Right because you're talking about how trump is, you know praising him and uh, they're super connected Could be like what's the deal with this right and there's no there's no pressing on it. Well, I mean think about the I mean, I hate I I truly believe this if you are Researching alex jones for megan kelly's interview. That'd be tough. You are Exactly

You are dipping in to get what you want and then you are getting the fuck out Like legitimately if they knew about us, they should have reached out. Yeah, because we have done it already We have the information they need right exactly which kind of sucks But it also this is me sucking my own dick a little bit. Well, you're you may I mean Again, I still you're the only person who listens to alex jones every day critically. Yeah. Well, I I mean It's insane. There's probably a lot of people who listen and just like yeah, get him alex right well but even then I would imagine that a lot of it is just Uh, when you're listening to it because this happens to tons of people who listen to the radio where it's like

You just phase in and out. Yeah, you know, you're listening during something. You're doing something. I'm taking notes. Yeah, exactly Yeah, so Yeah Anyway, you don't remember but again He deals with an emotional level and so you don't remember the dumb shit He says if you're a fan of his really easy to just the water goes under the bridge Yeah, exactly what you remember is he made me feel like I had a voice. He charged me up Yeah, now he was lying to charge you up right and you know a couple months later

You don't remember when his narrative was a complete bullshit lie exactly But the damage is done. He made you feel that way, right? You know the what is it the serotonin kicked into your brain the dopamine receptors The oxytocin came out like you just had an orgasm. That is a barrage of uh, different brain chemicals Yeah, anyway, she says more about trump separately Both men had supported the false statement that barack obama was not a natural born citizen Donald trump is surging and they've had more in common since I agree with trump on that. He greased with me

He's having articles. He's following alex on coal. He's following alex on guns. He's following alex on borders The 2016 campaign was good for info wars. Its youtube monthly views reached 83 million in november 2016 More than five times higher than the previous november and when mr. Trump won alex jones found himself with access to the seat of power Info wars got a temporary white house press pass for the first time And jones says mr. Trump called him after the election to thank him for his help You have said that it's surreal to say something on info wars and then hear it come out of the president united states mouth a couple days later I mean that has happened, but um Do you think he's watching?

I mean, I know trump watches and sees the clips and things We did find indications of that on july 22nd 2015 info wars put up this video Claiming it showed drug trafficking along the u.s. Mexico border Although we don't know what it actually shows. We actually witnessed A drug smuggling operation from mexico in So that is from an episode that might have gotten lost to the sands of time Yeah, we discussed this uh in our investigation back in 2015 joe biggs Went down to laredo and may or may not have caught a drug deal on tape and then lied about being chased by cartels

Yeah, uh, but that's that's the one that i'm impressed. She found in case you in case you In case you never hear what may be a lost episode. You may or may not you may or may not the point that I Lovingly made was that if they had caught a cartel, they would be fucking beheaded by now. Yeah. Yeah, they'd have their fingers Oh, it would be gone prints gone. Yeah. No, they're it's made up their debt Yeah, so uh, she makes a great point that we don't know what was on that tape exactly And I think we made that point as well, but I'm still impressed that she found that that is a good one Because that's not something that's necessarily one of the main attacks right and from 2015. That's I mean that's cool I appreciate it. It's not bad. So here we go. He's later. Mr. Trump gave this speech in iowa big story

It's all over the place now guys swimming across and big bags of stuff Structs swimming across The river This was info wars previewing the first presidential debate between donald trump and hillary clinton I think she's gonna show up And uh on drugs though. She's gonna be locked up and mr. Trump's take not long after we should take a drug test

Pride because I don't know what's going on with her Donald trump ally and frequent info wars guest roger stone underscored the connection between jones and the trump campaign in a tweet last spring It read msm elites don't see that alex jones and info wars reach millions of donald trump supporters And helped make the trump revolution All that's another good one because a lot of people aren't talking about the direct connection between Stone and jones, right? No, they are they are. I mean, yeah, the stones and jones sounds like a very good tv show No, but it's gonna be on the info wars network

God forbid ever happens I I disagree. I think people are aware that roger stone is on info wars all the time at people who know who roger stone is Right, uh, but then beyond that all of those things just again buttress his credibility or buttress his importance Right, you know, there is the the trump keeps repeating him roger stone an ally of trump has said that they were integral in the success of the quote trump revolution Right, and now there's a little piece of the interview that she plays that I I think might on first glance sound bad But I don't think it does Donald trump calls me secretary says donald trump like talk to mr. Jones you like to talk to him

Yes, boom while jones has boasted of his contact with the president on his radio show He downplayed it in his interview with us Claiming the mainstream media or msm has exaggerated their connection. Thanks. I think my influence on trump is way way lower Than what msm has said. Well, what kind of access do you have? He's just called sometimes and you know talked about politics or thanked me like that. That's it. Would you describe yourself as friends? No Friendly sure

And how many times has he called you? I don't want to get into all that so that sounds bad because obviously The number is very low. Yeah, but the uh people who are inclined to think jones is pretty cool Would see that as humility. They would see that as discretion. I don't want to talk about that. That's not important Well, I think my my initial reaction to that was he was saying I don't want to get into that Because the number is so large like that's the idea that I think that's possible That's the idea that I think he wants to get off is you think that's the perception he wants to leave people with Exactly, it's possible. I don't want to get into that because it happens You know it happens more than you would expect and more than you would be happy with

Well, I think that flies counter to the beginning of that where he says that the msm is exaggerating his influence on him Unless the point of that is to say that trump is his own man and I can't influence him But we talk all the time. Yeah, well, no, they possible they cut that clip Out of context Which is very much like when he was saying that stuff. He was also saying I talked to trump all the time It's like at this if you recall if you recall the stuff that we've we've listened to many times He's saying, you know, I have the ear of trump and then later on that turned into we don't talk But he's just doing the same americana with a mind mouth. Exactly

So I think and and again with this he's obfuscating so well of Is it a lot? Is it a little you don't know and I'm not going to make it clear. I'm slippery Exactly and and and I want to make clear there is like you can tell that it's edited as any late Night news magazine is but I I watched this through I don't think that there's anything that they play that is misrepresentative of alex jones' positions Right. There are cuts in the video, but that's that's how you make a salad. Yeah And she is not doing a terrible job of setting up those clips I would prefer less of an npr tone to her. Yeah, it's a little it's a little in that wheelhouse. Yeah

It's very much that cadence. It's that that kind of tone and the the volume of it Well, and whenever you Sort of allow him to he's gonna lie. Yeah, and thankfully a little bit later. There are a couple over to uh There's a couple of instances of her Pressing him on it a little bit and you do see him get flummoxed A little bit. Okay. Good. But those are the moments when you need to go in for the haymaker You need to knock him out. Yeah, and she just doesn't have that right hook She just doesn't have whatever punch is needed. Maybe it's a lack of information. Maybe maybe or maybe she did

Or no, maybe that well the the thing is oh, maybe she did and if we and it's not in there Like is it it's entirely possible that well what we've seen from alex of just Constant like desperation. Yeah, exactly and it's the end of the world Yeah, and what is like did she have that haymaker and they just didn't cut it in there It's possible. I mean it serves everyone's purpose in terms of making money for them to not demolish him Exactly, but to shame him emotionally in some way uh, but it doesn't serve anybody's purpose of Actually dealing with the problem of alex now

This is this is conspiracy territory for us But it I do like the idea that it is possible if there's some like complete destruction That she has on tape and alex was super scared that that was going to be in the piece And that's why whenever they were doing their live broadcast on info wars of the Champagne. Yep. Yep. They were drinking champagne Is your vision alex cheers and champagne glasses because that thing that would have destroyed me isn't in there Well, and you it wasn't it's not my Conspiracy theory so much as it is kind of building off what you said earlier

Which is that or not earlier today, but on earlier episodes Um, she may not know what it is she has that's true Like that could be one of the problems there is and and this is the big thing is that they don't live in that world No, like they don't understand. They're coming to it. She doesn't bring up globalists once. No. Well, see that's bananas Yeah, there's no if you're gonna call him noted conspiracy theorist The first thing you should say is for 20 years. He's been yelling about the globalists Which is either evidence that she works for the global

Or a complete unwillingness to unpack that myth right because I think it it does become maybe too difficult for news magazine television To get into like Dude, yeah, are you serious right? So it I mean it's possible But yeah, I I well and and again they wouldn't they're coming from an almost anthropological like already This has the it has the feel of a discovery channel show It has the feel of something look at the lunatic in the wild. It's almost too fair Yeah, and even when they get into they're about to get into sandy hook even that is almost too fair It's it's nice to him almost right which is weird because

Because he's a fucking monster. Yeah. So here now admittedly if somebody tried to cut down our stuff to 17 minutes They would have to go through What 200 hours? We're at a minute 27 So here's uh, here's the next clip What is it? Do you think about alex jones that president trump finds so amazing? That's a scary question Charlie sikes is a conservative writer and contributor to nbc news. He's been critical of president trump Obviously, there's a conspiratorial turn in the president's thinking in his imagination

And those darker impulses are fed into by alex jones jones speaks to his listeners for hours a day Six days a week his rants can be vulgar and hate filled like this one directed at a member of congress Schiff looks like the archetype archetypal And there's something about this fairy Hopping around bossing everybody around trying to intimidate people like me and you I want to tell congressman schiff and all the rest of them You want to sit here and say that i'm a

Russian you get in my face with that i'll beat your I'm as you son of a bitch So again, she plays that and doesn't ask him. Hey, how drunk were you? You're crazy drunk. That is how many ways are there to learn alex? Where's nonk? Hey, do you ever end up selling that car? Like there's so much just watch that fucking episode that you're taking this clip that everyone is seeing because media matters pushed it out Just go and watch that episode. There's so much more so much more. Yeah, that's a gold mine

Yeah, who gives it like that's the fun thing of that episode who gives a shit about that ram That episode is bananas. That's even the one that has the the skull covered in semen. Yeah the diamond encrusted skull How did Did did nobody actually watch that or do they think that it's not going to be palatable? I think that no one watched it I think that everyone just saw the clip that got posted around went viral and they don't think like What's the context of this? Yeah, what the fuck else was happening that and they just think oh, he's crazy He's yelling. It's like no he does crazy yell, but that's drunk. Yeah, he's fucking drunk

So that is fascinating that are we are we maybe the only people who have been like, oh that dude's shitface I've never heard anyone else talk about it now nor have I nor have I heard anybody else bring up the other fucked up stuff He says on that episode. Yeah, well, but the other the other thought about that though Is that there's no way to conclusively prove he was drunk right but you can suggest it Excuse me, Alex while you went on that expletive filled rant Uh, also they didn't play my favorite part, which is that he should fill his hand fill your hand. Yeah, uh, Were you shitfaced? Yeah, how much wild turkey did you drink noted podcast knowledge fight? Posted this picture noted. No, let that one go. Don't don't add that adjective

They posted a picture of you with a drink in your hand What do you say to that? That is that is crazy, but that would be easy for him to get away from his eyes of water I was tired right or whatever, but I just think like come on Know the context of the clip you're playing again. God. I would give anything for a where's knock. Yeah, where's knock So and then he just breaks down crying. I killed him. I killed dog with a brick. Yeah He was trying to beat me up right That's why I hate dogs. Well, I put him in a coma first, but then I was like, well, we might as well put him down

Yeah, then is a bitch of a mom soon. God imagine imagine I said I said bitch there because it's a dog because it's a dog Yeah, yeah, sorry go ahead. They bleeped it out. Yeah Now just like all of those little things of like How well, how is it that you have dealt with your violence as a child? Do you not see how that is carried on from maybe not physical violence, but it's the same type of uh aggressive emotional violence you're inflicting emotional violence on your audience and Unwitting bystanders like these anti-hook families Like everybody who was in comet ping pong when that guy came in with a gun. Yeah, and thankfully we'll get to it

making kelly does do a pretty decent job of Comment ping ponging well bringing all those things and making alex responsible for them But not really not just pressing it like getting deep into it Well, and not it's not really to his face. She does it in the npr boys. Oh, no, that's not fair. Yeah, so here's the next clip Uh, jones began developing his conspiracy theories as a teenager He grew up the oldest child of a dentist and a homemaker and went to high school in austin texas I read a lot of history books when I was a kid And I also had family that was educated

So I mean I just knew how things actually worked versus what the news was saying sometimes After a brief stint in community college jones found his calling at public access tv in austin He went into business for himself Founding info wars in 1999 Many doubted his prospects, but he's now worth millions. He got a public access tv show Paid for by his dad. No, just throw that. No. No. No. No. No the first the first radio gig. Yeah Yeah, his public access show he got on his own right right now So that's that's something that you should throw in there

It's just like and you know what I actually think that that's part of the overly fairness of it Yeah, no discussion of how his his dad bought him a radio show basically No discussion of how he started info wars because he got fired from a radio station, right? So like there's it's too fair. It's just like no he was enterprising So he started info wars. Well, and that's and that fits into his narrative though of like I am a self-made man. Yep. And so you put that in there and and there's a decent chance that megan Was told that by him of course because didn't she didn't do research into it She just bought it and didn't know like na na na na. Yeah, your cia dentist dad, but you're a radio show

We all know that what a great question that would be levy nuts Do you feel like your cia dentist dad is the only reason you're successful right now? Uh, no, it's mostly nonc So I'm back to the question. This is the nonc episode. I'm Alex Jones your host info wars makes most of its money by selling products Like male supplements. It has just come off of me and soon there'll be nothing left the main pitch man Jones himself I mean it costs 45 50 million dollars a year to run this how much money's being made Well, the money that's made is pretty much put back into things. That's a fucking missed opportunity. Yeah, that is so missed Like press press on it. Don't give me vague bullshit. Most of the money goes back. How how much? Yeah, how much are you making?

Would you say you're a profitable company? Yeah, you don't even need to you don't even need to do like Oh, give me a number just like do you do you feel like the company itself? Makes money. Do you thought do you feel like you're a financially successful business? Yeah, because then to say no Exactly hurts his pride to say yes. Oh really how much? Yeah, exactly I have a but I have a buddy who I used to uh, like he was a friend of mine back in Missouri And one of his big things was he whenever he'd meet people he'd be like how much money do you make? Just to get aggressive What a dick it shouldn't be that big of a deal, but it was somehow a dick move. Yeah

No, it is hilarious. Um, but it's the breaking of that social norm that nobody really knows Other than a class system. Yeah, like the reason that you don't talk about that is because nobody wants to admit that There's a class system in the country. Well, yeah, and I how I understood it I don't know this to be true from personal experience But everyone who grew up in st. Louis told me that uh, the sort of version of that The way you get around that is ask people what high school they went to right they grew up in st Louis and the high schools are so segregated, right? That if you say I went to x y or z you know a lot about them

You can peg them by class based on what high school they went to so that's sort of uh, a plight way America's the best country. We're pretty great. Yeah, uh, so at this point the interview skews into the controversial topics Jones uses that money to spread his message a message that has caused enormous pain What he has done is he has injected this sort of toxic paranoia Into the mainstream of conservative thought in a way that would have been inconceivable a couple of decades ago We're talking about somebody who traffics and some of the sickest most offensive types of theories At the top of that list is jones's outrageous statement that the slaughter of innocent children and teachers at sandy hook elementary school

One of the darkest chapters in american history Was a hoax that that kind of conservative rewriting of history drives me insane Like this psychs dude the idea the idea that there hasn't been a massive amount of toxic paranoia Built entirely around race boggles my mind like rewriting that history of like Oh, alex jones is the first guy to peddle these Toxic paranoia's idea like what are you fucking talking about? No, but you're right You're totally right

But he I think has a leg to stand on in terms of how much it's been amplified after waco After waco and ruby ridge. There was a insane amplification of it I mean, but but what are we talking like fucking go back to the goddamn 90s with super predators Go back to the 80s with the crack cocaine Epidemic go back to the 70s with all of this. This all comes back to race right, but that's not the story. They're telling Yeah, that's true. You're right, but again, they especially that fucking psychs pile of garbage Who can go fuck himself right off most fun already? I already I can read that dude's fucking backstory

And I fuck that guy so alex also before this interview was saying that they gave me villain lighting and what have you And I just like to point out that this guy has the exact same lighting. Okay. It's just well He's also a villain. It's just it just so happens that alex is way more jolly And there's a lot more shadows a lot more curves So Yeah, I have to give me villain lighting think it made me look like I had another chin No, but see and this is this is what I was worried about with this interview Yep, is that it is a it is an excuse to whitewash

Like look at how bad this guy is like megan kelly That whole that whole like he's a spouse that same birther idea Megan kelly when she was on fox news did not do everything possible to fight against the birther thing not at all A few years ago. She changed her tune on that But when the birther shit was going on and she was on fox news She was definitely feeding into that same bullshit I don't know for a fact that she ever supported it explicitly She didn't and you're not responsible

You're not responsible for everything that's done on the same tv network you're on no, but I also I mean, you're totally right. There's way more. She could have done to push back Well, and but the the thing is that it wasn't she was doing part of an institution that fed that Well, she was but the my point is that she was doing that same shit of People are saying Obama was not born here right like she was amplifying that narrative In the same way. She wasn't explicitly saying it to be fair. She just did exactly You know, she is still saying yeah, at least she says it was fake or it's false

But it's the same time in this report. She's saying people are saying it. Yeah, trump and alex jones in particular No, and and it's it's another excuse to pretend that this is New to pretend that this This lunatic is the one like I am absolved of all of my conservative propaganda Yeah, because this guy is more so yeah Like that's that's what I'm hearing so far with this interview and all of the all of the criticism is going to come out and be like You shouldn't give this guy a voice and the criticism should be you shouldn't have a voice Some what it should be taken away. I think that you should give him a voice in as much as like

Like we said on the pre interview thing the episode that we did Play that. Yeah play that uh screaming about muslims Play that anti-semitic caricature. He does right play that stuff But they won't do any of that right because again that's That's not the thing that they want to deal with play him rambling about I mean hey get this That thing about chimeras that was in the trailer isn't in the interview. Really? Yeah, that's not even in the interview Fuck you. So all of alex's like pre loaded work about chimeras and shit like trying to defend trying to explain it

Yeah worthless. Yeah, god damn it. But uh, that's just a teaser. Yeah. Yeah, which does mean that there is more stuff in there Of course that I want those tapes, right? I want those tapes nbc nbc has something that is Really really good on alex jordan You know what I just realized what we got to do a national treasure So you're saying we got a break into the white house. Yeah, okay, we got a break into mbc. I'm nicolas cage You're the other guy. What the fuck we need a hot chick. Can I be the hot chick? Megan kelly can be the hot chick. All right, we can go in. I don't like that characterization, but fine

She's diane kruger. Right. We go in we trick her. We somehow replace the footage with another But first I have to become president. I'm also seeing a 16 millimeter can is the footage. Oh, yeah I think that's what we have to do in order to get to the truth, right? There there's something there's something Otherwise alex if if all of it is just this alex wouldn't have been worried about that at all Of course not all that's and then seeing him celebrate is very much like We won. We beat him. Thank god. They edited it all And we can we can deal with all of it. Yeah, and I mean all tv shows edit stuff

That's not unreasonable But the points that they end up making in the angle of attack Of the piece and I don't mean a tack in terms of like it's an attack. I mean the angle is the angle they take your strategy In the same way that when I write a joke, I'm taking an angle on an idea Not not trying to fight it the the the approach they take is intrinsically flawed and speaks to either an unwillingness Or an inability to understand the psychology of how to counter propaganda and how to counter alex specifically Right, but they do get more into sandy hook Who would have guessed I buried my son

I held my son with a bullet hole through his head Neil Heslund's son jesse just six years old was murdered along with 19 of his classmates and six adults On december 14th 2012 in newtown, connecticut. I dropped him off in 904. That's when we dropped him off at school with his book bag Hours later I was Picking him up and a body bag alex jones repeatedly claimed that the shooting never happened Here he is on info wars in december 2014

But it took me about a year with sandy hook to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing was fake You said the whole thing is a giant hoax How do you deal with the total hoax? It took me about a year with sandy hook to come to grips with the fact that the whole thing was fake I did deep research and my gosh. It just pretty much didn't happen At at that point and I do think there's some cover-up and some manipulation that is pretty much what I believe But then I was also Going into devil's advocate, but then we know there's mass shootings and these things happen

So again, you're trying to have it always Right. No, I'm not if you wrongly went out there and said it was a hoax That's wrong. But what I already answered your question was you didn't listeners and and other people are covering this I didn't create that story alex the parents one after the other Devastated the dead bodies that the coroner autopsy and they blocked all that and they won't release any of it That's that's unprecedented. All of the parents even the reports to come out and and lie about their dead children I didn't say that what happened to the children. I will sit there on the air and look at every position and play devil's advocate

Was that devil's advocate? It the whole thing is a giant hoax The whole thing was fake Now there's a bit of a pause here, right? And this is when you lay the haymaker. Yeah, because alex is really scrambling Of course, you can see the calculations going on in his head, right? He's sitting there and he's like What do I what's my what's my spin on this? I already just said that that was basically what I believed But I'm trying to obfuscate and say that I played devil's advocate about stuff

And so the direct question you saying it's fake. Is that you playing devil's advocate now? Keep in mind you've already said in this interview that that's basically what I believed and you can see him like Fuck, how do I get out of this? How do I get out of this? And his response is is weak weak as fuck and I don't know. I'm not saying that megan kelly didn't Do something I think right now just the playing of that clip Which is what we didn't think she was going to do but she didn't play it for him

Oh, she didn't play it for him. No, that was just in the broadcast I still she read the quote to him right which is less impactful to him like having to see himself say those things Right, but still good It was it is still good It's not the same clip that we use because the one we use is a little bit more like really explicit Yeah, but it is the same sentiment Yeah, and it even is it took me a year to come to grips with it. Yeah, that one is that one is good So that the point is he's realizing i'm caught kind of in a trap here or caught in a lie

Yeah, like a just a direct lie and uh, you know, maybe maybe megan had a good rebuttal to this But his answer is just like you shouldn't let him do this on television Yes, because I remember in Even that day it'll go back from memory then saying but then some of it looks like it's real But then what do you do when they've got the kids going in circles and in out of the building with their hands up? I've watched the footage and it looks like a drill when you say Parents faked their children's death people get very angry. Well, let's oh, I know But they don't get angry about the half million dead iraq is from the sanctions or they don't get angry about all the illegals

No, no, it's not a dodge The media never covers all the evil wars. It's promoted all the big that doesn't excuse what you did and said about new town You know, here's the difference Here's the difference I looked at all the angles of new town and I made my statements long before the media Even picked up on it in our interview We asked jones numerous times what he now believes and he never completely disavowed his previous statements I tend to believe that children probably did die there

But then you look at all the other evidence on the other side. I could see how other people believe that nobody died there Of course, there is no evidence on the other side And that's fair, but you're doing that in voiceover. Exactly at the same time I do empathize with her because an interview with alex would be exhausting And there is pretty good indications there that she was trying to get to the point and he was just dancing around Yeah, so from exactly the thing is with that kind of an interview is how do you how do you force him into A corner. Well, she kind of did there, but she also let him get out of the corner exactly

Uh, it's it's very difficult And I think that the approach that she thought would work is appealing to human decency And which is insane as we've already discussed. That's not gonna be that's not gonna be a good approach Right. Well, and and that's that's again like he lives inside of a world that they can't conceive of He is a complete psychopath So he doesn't he doesn't he hangs out with mike syrnavin. Yeah He thinks he's cool. Yeah, he doesn't he doesn't care if you take a human decency track towards him He's just going to go back to and it's not like his response to it

isn't isn't her it's it's not terrible like this is a relatively small-scale event like Uh, just the just the um zandy hook. Yeah The response to that is well, there are half a million dead iraqis. Okay, right? So so his response is Like mathematically. I'm not that bad Like that's his response. Well compared to someone who denies the death of those half million iraqis, right? Or somebody who justifies the war in iraq on a lie, right?

But he's not even talking about the war in iraq. He was talking about sanctions I I I absolutely agree with you, but i'm just i'm just saying that his argument is mad But bullshit because in order to make an analog that works there You'd have to have a conspiracy theorist who number one denies the sanctions about iraq and number two Denies that the half million people who died are real then he could say i'm better than that guy That's true. He can't say like no one's accusing him of killing kids at sandy hook Right, so when he says that no one's mad about the half million dead iraqis people are people are mad about that People are not happy about that

You're you're pitching yourself in the wrong part of the equation. I yeah, I agree with you It's nonsense. I agree with you So I retract my earlier statement that it wasn't terrible It's because it was terrible. It's but it does it it does sound okay at first glance. Yeah So the next approach he sort of But it's it's that same moving the goalpost though. Yeah, it's the what about this. It's what he does. He's slippery Yeah, so uh the next approach he tries to get into uh for the piece is to discuss sort of like the consequences Uh and make real the consequences of sandy hook denial after president trump took office

The new town board of education wrote to him imploring the president to try to stop jones and other hoaxers like him Saying jones continues to spread hate and lies towards our town Almost four months later. According to the board chairman. The president has yet to respond The lies about sandy hook have had real world consequences Just this month a florida woman was sentenced to five months in prison for sending death threats to a sandy hook parent Her defense attorney says she was primarily motivated by info wars Other victims family members have been harassed or threatened too The families say that jones's words have caused lasting pain

And they fear the harassment will continue. You know, it's disrespectful to me Or in fact, I did lose my son and in the 26 other families lost somebody and I take that very personal You know, this piece is going to air on father's day. Correct What is your message to him? I think he's blessed to have have his children to spend the day with to speak to um I don't have that

And that's heartbreaking. Wow. That's very heartbreaking and decent, uh, like journalism. Yeah, but in terms of alex It's really easy to just deny that too. Yeah, and the people that who follow him and our sandy hook deniers That's not gonna make a dent in them because like he's an actor. Yeah, he's on the fake news This is fake news. He's an actor They're trying to they're trying to humanize this fake event that they pulled with a bunch of actors And why should I care about this guy lying on meghan kelly's show? Right, which is unfortunate because if you got that's just brutal Listen to because if you live in the real world, it is brutal It's fuck god dammit

How I mean, I guess if you want to call him an actor, but that's fucking That's saying that he's let's that's um like that's so cynical How can you listen to that and not feel anything? I don't know. I don't know like that's fucking heartbreaking. Yeah And uh, even the response, uh being not fuck you the response being you should be glad that you have your kids Right because I don't and uh It's very human. That's such an empathetic response too. It's like he's it's the response of someone who went through a trauma And then dealt with it. Yeah, uh and now unfortunately is on the other side of it

Yeah, uh, and unfortunately is on the other side of it He's it's good that he's on the other side of the trauma I mean unfortunate that it there has to be another side to begin with that's that's certainly true So but I I think uh, if we can take a step back and not to not dehumanize but take a little bit of the emotional Peace out of it. I think that the it's it's again It's a good approach and I see the perspective that she's trying to build She's built at the beginning this connection with donald trump. She's connected Uh, uh a bit of the like you reported on manchester and you had no information about it

There was that sort of bedrock and now she's gotten to sandy hook She's caught him a little bit in a you aren't really being clear about what you were reporting And she's connected that to trump himself. Yes, they sent trump a letter saying hey You have the power to help us out here. Yeah, and trump has done fuck all yeah He's done nothing or not even to make a statement not even responded. Um and and the consequences here will be the next through line And I think I think on one level it is a good approach Yeah, but only two rational viewers right rational viewers will see like oh shit These are the consequences right of his

His actions and his lies that he puts out that these families are being re victimized and re traumatized Over and over strangers. Yeah who publish their uh phone numbers and email addresses online. Yeah, they dox these fucking families Uh, and so she she uses that and she transitions uh into other conspiracies and other Instances of alex's nonsense the consequences of jones's actions are not limited to sandy hook pizza gate as it's called Is a rabbit hole that is horrifying to go down now in 2016 jones promoted a conspiracy theory known as pizza gate Info wars claimed a child sex ring was being run by democrats Out of a number of businesses and specifically pointed to a washington dc pizzeria You've got to go to info wars dot com and actually see the photos and videos inside these places

jones encouraged his listeners to investigate the case themselves And one did bringing a semi-automatic rifle to the shop and firing several rounds No one was hurt and the shooter was arrested the pizza shop owner wrote a letter asking jones to apologize Facing the possibility of a lawsuit. He did that we regret any negative impact our commentaries may have had on mr Alifanus comic ping pong or his employees So that's good. I mean that's good. She's not asking him about it though. She you know, there's no interview chunk about uh about it Right, which I don't know maybe there isn't she just she just reports that and then they never talked to him about it No, and that might be because he wouldn't answer questions

It might be because there's legal ramifications or something like that Right, there might be a thing where he doesn't want to get resued Whatever right so I mean because double jeopardy is only in criminal trials Not in civil trials. I kind of get I kind of get it and it is fair It's it's okay for the news piece to like you've established with sandy hook these consequences You're linking a direct consequence the guy showing up with a gun to alex, which is fair, right? That is what the gunman said And then he had him having to apologize, right?

Which if you are a if you're watching that Then you draw the correct conclusion. Yeah of This guy is doing a lot of damage. Yeah, he's not just a conspiracy theorist He's not just a liar when you get into the real world. This guy is a threat He's a real threat to real people. Well, he is in as much as You know unstable people who listen to him are right. That's the real threat. Yeah real threat is that he ruins people's lives Yeah, uh, so she takes that and that's good And she links it to another instance another apology came just this spring

Chobani yogurt sued jones after info wars fanned the lie That chobani employees committed a sexual assault in Idaho on behalf of info wars I regret that we mischaracterized chobani You misstated facts about chobani and its owner, which you could have found out if you just had a reporter You lie you lie phone call check out the facts. You never would lie or apologize Hold on. I want to pause it. Yeah, sorry. Uh, you're right. He was lying But what megan said there was really good. She's like You could have just had a reporter look into this and then you wouldn't have had to apologize

Yeah, you could have had anyone do journalistic work You would have found out that this isn't true right and then you would be fine. Why what why didn't you do that? Okay, so that's a good question. This is my statement on that We know that that was basically a pr event And and what happens is you've got a year of reporting on the reported sexual assault all of which has nothing to do with Chobani. Yeah, I know you're not gonna let me get it on. I'm gonna let you get it I just want to make sure the record straight because I don't want to smear the man You are the one who said that you were wrong about chobani. You said that

Well, that's because they chose to Go after me and so I simply Pointed out that we were reporting on other people's reports that were not entirely accurate and for that. We were sorry because it was true You don't sound very sorry um A psychopath the media said stuff about the settlement that wasn't true but You said things about chobani and its owner that were not true. Are you sorry? I'm gonna tell you again. There was the media really was upset that they said that there was a hoax

And so what they did you and so what they did are you sorry and so what they did So what the what the media did and we know it was the media And we have the pi's and the law firms and we're working on it right now Let's just say chobani was real happy to get out of that lawsuit But the lawsuit makes clear info wars was the only media outlet to report the lie That forced jones to apologize and with that apology Chobani considers the matter closed. This is such bullshit Uh nonsense from alex the idea that chobani is glad to be out of the lawsuit. Yeah, they started the lawsuit

Yeah, they got what they wanted out of it. They wanted an apology So in that way they are glad to be out of the lawsuit sure Yeah, because that means that they don't have to spend money on Lawyers and all of that shit or or not money just time energy All of that shit and just to break it down. I mean we went over it in the uh, April 25th episode of the show Where we dealt with the chobani lawsuit The issue is that there were lies that were being reported on like bright barton and world news world net daily, right? and

they were Really salacious scandalous stories about these child sexual assaults child on child right sexual assaults They weren't reporting what alex was reporting and what david knight was reporting That was straight up They these immigrant rapists are being imported by chobani, right? That's why alex got in trouble. Whatever bright hurt was recording a reporting Whatever all these other places were reporting was wrong. It was a lie. It was uh, scandalous salacious Uh, but it didn't say chobani

Forced these children into rape. Basically. It didn't say that hamdi ulacaya specifically did those things Yeah, that's why he was in their crosshairs because he fucking lied. Yeah, and Megan kelly would love for it to just be He didn't do the journalistic work. Yeah, they were gonna do the journalistic work. He's never done journalistic work That's not even in the conversation. Yeah, why that's that's a good point You could have sent a reporter. Listen, Megan. I've never sent a reporter goddamn anywhere. Megan. What's a reporter? Yeah Which actually weaves nicely into this next clip where Megan brings up the question

Do you think you're a journalist? Oh, which is a fair question to ask about the answer is 100 yes Do you think of yourself as a journalist? I have some journalists that work for me and I do journalistic work and I've broken a lot of big stories And I understand the you know the basics of it. I need to find the line of london thing in the info war studio There's no script Instead, it's a free willing spin through piles of articles Straight off the internet that he is 95% what we cover is looking at a news article And then you know discussing it. Well, you know if you just look at an article and discuss it

It's garbage in garbage out right if you haven't Assertained the veracity of that article and it's all bs and then you spend two hours talking about it Then you put out a bunch of misinformation. I'm just trying to figure out what the vetting process is Hillary was 15 points ahead Okay, and I mean we all we all get mainstream media has got a big problem. You just let that go Yeah, she just lets that she just let that go. Yeah That was it Well, we all get that hillary was 15 points ahead is a legitimate answer to the question she just had

Well, and alex's entire narrative is like Whenever someone attacks his credibility or whatever he's like the mainstream media is always wrong. Yeah, hillary's poll numbers And to allow him Unquestioned to just repeat that is such a bad follow-up to a great point that she made It was really good that garbage in garbage out such a good point. Perfect if you don't have any idea if this is a legit article Discussing it for two hours is nothing right and if your response to that is well, we all know hillary was 15 points ahead Is there after this clip? Is there like any follow-up question to that? No No, not at all. Well, not in the maybe in the unedited. That's possible. But then again in the unedited. He's like

I'm lying about everything I did it. You can't catch me. I'm the liar of the all liars um I mean, I think if I if I were to go into the heads of main Kelly and her producers I would guess that what they thought is that that looks so silly on its face That it's fine to leave in as a crazy answer Right, but what they don't recognize is there's at least 30 percent of the population that kind of do believe that Of course that the mainstream media was intentionally lying about this

Right as opposed to and not just that but that meg and kelly has betrayed them Yeah, so she's already off the books anyway. She's not realizing that that actually is kind of Uh, like a a good punch back right to some people Right, all right his mouth now Uh, we're coming to the end here. There's one more clip Uh, and we get a little guest appearance But number one ding dong oh and shroyer. Oh god damn it. How did they get him roped into this? He says something pretty bad, uh

And I mean if if I were making this piece I would say I would take that clip and run the fuck with it. Oh, yeah, because it's like, oh you you are a Propagandist, okay. He essentially just like lets out that we're a wing of the trump campaign Okay, uh, which I really think is a large piece of what this Profile is about but just without spelling it out without being like you guys are fucking shills Also in the unedited interview, megan kind of gives him an elbow and is like, how's rob do's wife? She's still uh, she's still sore You guys like the super male vitality now owin you're you're great

I really loved your racist muslim impression the other day. It's great journalism It's not sense. We all know hillary was 15 points ahead. Yeah The info wars staffers we met have free reign to cover Whatever they like with virtually no oversight like journalists. We spoke with some of jones's employees including owin shroyer How do you on a day-to-day basis figure out what you're gonna do? I Wake up. I look at the news I pray I rarely get directives from alex or my boss. Uh, they pretty much just leave it up to me

Is that what you consider yourself to be a journalist? You know, I I don't like calling it that I just I'm just a human I'm just a human that's looking for truth. So I'm trying to reach out and be what the people want When you say people Who do you mean the deplorables the flyover country the forgotten american We're going to get to work immediately for the american people with the election of donald trump alex jones has plans to expand info wars more studios more shows more employees More influence. I said the 91. I said the war has just begun

So this is a we just got a beach head And so that's just the start of the war for me And alex jones goes into battle with a powerful ally Just two weeks ago the trump pens campaign emailed this message to supporters Notice at the bottom It's a link to info wars So that's the end of the the piece and quite frankly that

Is the equivalent of a puff piece. That's the end of that piece. It's the end of it. That's the 17 minutes for real That is all implication That is all that is all like you guys choose We're we're giving you Like the the if you're rational you look at that and you see that last that last thing that she said is Oh, that means alex is dangerous the beginning that means alex is dangerous all of that stuff All of that stuff is built around the idea of giving you the impression of something And at no point in time making a goddamn point. Nope. That was it. Yep. That was the whole fucking thing

I'm even angrier than I thought I was going to be. Yeah, you know why because there's those glimmers There's those couple of moments. Yeah that are like alex is trapped. Oh, this is gonna be great and then They never they never drop the hammer which means that there's something in the tapes that is real Yeah, something there that they and it's like I beg you nbc and megan kelly, right give me the tapes Oh, let me watch the tapes. I will find what alex is afraid of right. I guarantee I can find it. I know his head Unfortunately Um, so I mean I am your savant nbc. This is as disappointing as we kind of expected it to be Uh, it's too bad that I'm gonna have to be up all night editing this

Yeah, I I I actually kind of expected it to go the other direction. What do you mean? I I I expected it to be something where people Uh Before the interview there's this like you shouldn't air this interview And they were clearly committed to airing it Which to me suggested that they thought that they had something where They would not only justify airing the interview, but then they would get praised afterward For doing such a great job taking down this propagandist and this is like you said for alex

That is a puff piece. You would think for you know, and And to them they think that's really damning like they think they did it Yeah, they think they did a good job on that they think that they're covering this in a way that no one else is And maybe that's true because a lot of people aren't covering him right and and the people who are Aren't doing a great job of it. I would agree with that again. Who gives a fuck about the shift shit? He was drunk and he was talking about the five ways to learn Yeah, like it's a way more interesting interview. Yeah, exactly There's all kinds of stuff that you could get into and not just that

But and that's that that's I think that's the thing That really pisses me off about that is because the real trick To getting alex into a corner Is talking about what he wants to talk about? Yeah, because he will fucking go on and he will damn himself totally if you just got into Like globalists if you well not just globalists just get into get him to muslims Like that first thing on the manchester bombing just go into not What you said about the victims, but what do you believe about who did it?

Yeah, do you think that's all of islam and he'd be like well Let me tell you about all of islam and he would go bananas on you and that's all you would need to show Like all the stuff that they did was like was the same thing that people on twitter are doing the same thing that media matters is doing Which is going like hey You need to talk about this and if you just let alex talk He is going to destroy himself as we sort of documented in part one of this. Yeah, exactly Alex's worst enemy is not you not what you think about sandy hook Not anything like that alex's worst enemy is himself if they'd shown an interview alex did with him

It would be perfect. Yeah, I think that that's why we kind of thought that it would be worse than it was too Or at least I did is because I know that he has very little self-control. Yeah when he's baited And it would be pretty easy to bait him Absolutely, I agree. I think you should bring up muslims I think you should bring up globalists and try and just be like if you ask him direct questions about his globalist ideology He wouldn't be able to answer it probably no he would just be like well There's a satanic force that's on it. Wait, hold on. Let me tell me about that. Right. What do you mean by that? Exactly? And then please tell me more he'd go off. Yeah, and you'd get to a point where you'd get to the end of the road

It would just be it would just be vapor there. There'd be nothing to stand on. It'd be like, oh You don't actually have a real concrete position here. Well, I mean you'd start screaming about like Rothschild's and Nonsense and then if you do your research, you can be like, well, I mean the Rothschild's that's I mean, what's not real It's not a real thing anymore. I don't want to give us any kind of credit That we don't necessarily deserve but how do you do that interview? You give him rope. You let him talk about his globalist ideology You let him talk about how he feels about muslims. You tell you let him talk You let him talk about masculinity. Yeah, and then all you do is instead of your voice over being like here's this you just

Point out it's not true. Sure. Like that's that's basically what we do. We we turn him into a joke We let him talk if you let him talk He's done. Yeah, that's and that's what we hope for. I mean, that's I and I again I think that's a big fear that he has is people will actually start listening Yeah, big and to some extent it's the same fear I have I'm kind of scared of like info warriors starting to listen to our show because I don't want to deal with it Right. I don't want to deal with them yelling at me about Bullshit that I can disprove but I don't want to take up the time right

And I'm sure he has the same fear but in reverse that like people will direct Questioning about these things that he's vaguely talked about for years and years Would be disastrous for him. Yeah I I just don't I'm I'm disappointed because of Opportunity lost. I think now Alex is never going to do this again I think you're absolutely right in that and you know what he might do it again Because because what he got was exactly what he wanted. Yeah, but I based on all of the last week's lead up

He was so scared like right. I don't think he'd put himself through that week again. That's possible And if he did I mean if he ever learns any lessons it would be All right, I'm going to be much more careful about what I say Yeah, or whatever because whatever fear was driving him to do that pre-emptive damage control He can't do that. He can't be careful about what he's going to say. It's true like she All all she did Was put him into the public public consciousness for a day. Mm-hmm, and that's it. Yeah, there's nothing there Yeah, and I mean the end result of this is Alex Jones has propaganda to play with now

I mean he can spin this pretty well easily and There are I mean the the fear that people had about I mean the complaints that people were making before That you're giving him a platform you absolutely are I think I think they're 100% justified now she makes a good she makes good points about the consequences of his rhetoric, but it's not That's not enough. That's not enough to necessarily make the dent that you need to make to justify this piece No, you you you have platformed him. You've made him mainstream and you've allowed him to lie on television Yep, and uh, that sucks and all you've done is make him sexier too Somewhat because look at the look at the powerful man. Look at this powerful man. He's connected to trump

He's got millions of listeners millions of dollars. He's super rich. He's self-made exactly all of this stuff is a lot of it builds into his own ethos exactly And uh, whereas we hoped that you you could be able to pierce the facade all it's done is reinforce it. Yep God fucking damn it. Yeah, what a bummer. That is such a pathetic excuse for now. I want megan kelly's career over Sure. Now we're on i'm on alex's side now now alex release the tape. Yeah, exactly release those tapes bad God those tapes would be the most damning thing. I have to be so This interview coming on the heels of us possibly losing an episode

Makes me wish I was dead. Yeah By one person who's not dead. Who's not dead? There's one guy This guy named jp. He's an old friend of mine jr Are you saying that rap apart still lives? I am andy and kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding So alex i'm a first-time caller i'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you