Knowledge Fight - #59: August 17-18, 2015

Episode Date: June 30, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about the seventh installment into his investigation into what happened to Alex Jones in 2015 to get him on board with the Trump campaign. On this episode, Alex Jones makes a huge mistake and welcomes David Duke onto his show for an interview. Their exchange makes very apparent that the two men have almost no difference in their philosophies, and that Alex's world-view is largely just classical antisemitism with different labels.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones and his effect on the world. Today, we are drinking a salted caramel mocha.

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Not after last week. So today, guys, this is a podcast where I know a ton about Alex Jones and Jordan, you do not know much. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. And therein, we find our dynamic. Today, we're going to be taking a little trip back to 2015. Oh, thank God. Present is so miserable.

Although, I should tell you that Alex Jones on today's show. This is a recording this on Thursday. On the 29th, Alex Jones did have a guest on his show who speculated that the globalists are kidnapping children and sending them to be slaves on a Mars colony. Okay. Well, one, that's the first good plan the globalists have ever had. It's not bad.

That's a solid plan. But there's robots terraforming it and then there's children terraforming it. Yeah. And I am pro both of those. Well, in terms of like the present and how violent it's getting in terms of Alex's rhetoric and his tone, this is very welcome.

Yeah. This kind of stuff is at least like, that's silly. Well, did you see the NRA video that they put out? Holy shit. Oh my God. I was like, I was sitting there going like, oh, you motherfuckers watch Alex Jones. I think Alex got a consulting credit on that thing.

Yeah, exactly. That was just, that was, hey, liberals are coming for you. Kill them. Well, they just keep calling them they too. Well, yeah. It's so scary. It's so scary. We're not Americans.

So also the other thing. Do we have guns? Not Americans. So now you might be thinking, is there a Mars colony that these children are going to? This guest seems legit. Right. Well, where would they keep it?

He's on Alex Jones' show. So obviously he's credible. Yeah. He has some supposed military history. So, you know, he knows things. Sure. Sure. Here's how I know he's invalid in the same conversation

where he's talking about this Mars colony. He also talks about how these pedophile globalists have to terrify the children to adrenalineize their blood. It's back to the Adrenochrome narrative. Wow. Yep. Wow. Such bullshit.

Why? I don't know. I don't know. It's because you have to get wackier and wackier or else you don't get attention. You know what I mean? Like they're at this point where it's like, fuck. I feel like the next, like their move, their,

they're doing Monster's Inc, basically. What they need to do, like the globalists, if they are terrifying the children. Right. Maybe they'd discover that they could get even more Adrenochrome out of them if they gave them love. If they made them laugh. Yeah.

But as we were discussing before the show started, it's very hard to make a comedy. It is very hard to make a good comedy. So, before we get to today's show in earnest, I'd like to give a shout out to our new Donator. Hey, what's up out there? Patrick, thanks for donating. I'm a policy wonk.

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Yeah, only six months from now, and we will have new headphones. Indeed. By the way, the chair I'm sitting on falling apart, as is yours. But that is, that is neither here nor there. It's time to jump in the time machine. Yes.

Nope. Nope. Negative one points to start the show, Dad. I forgot we're keeping score. Yeah, well, sometimes. Sometimes we are. That one gets a negative one. So, last time we were back in 2015,

we ended on August 16th, and Alex Jones had performed his pivot. Yes. He had heard Donald Trump say negative things about Hillary Clinton. All you need to hear. And he decided, I'm in. Maybe Trump is the guy we need.

Right. But as I speculated to you, two things. Yes. I made two bold predictions. The first was that this was not a full pivot. This was just a warming of sorts. And Alex was not on board with him yet. Okay.

Second prediction that I made was that Larry Nichols was right around the corner. Okay. And I will tell you this. On August 17th, Larry Nichols comes back. No, shit. You were that. You were that right around the corner, right?

I was that right around the corner. Damn it. So. Damn it, Dad. Larry Nichols, we're not going to listen to anything. You've gone too deep. You know too much. I'm not going to play any of Larry Nichols parts from the

August 17th show, but I will tell you that he provides evidence that the Clintons killed Vince Foster. We need to call and ask him about this. I want to hear in his own words. He provided a memo that apparently he got from like state troopers or something like that. It seems inconclusive. I don't know.

Also could be fake. Who would have guessed? Yeah. He also says Alex is like, how did you get that document? And he's like, I stole it. I committed a crime. And Alex is like, I'm admitting it on live broadcast.

And Alex is like, you're just covering up for your, your secret agent sources, right? And he's like, nah, I'll be honest. Things just show up in my mailbox. It's like, dude, and I don't do any research at all. You give away your fucking home address on Alex Jones' show. Who knows how many radio shows that you're on. Soliciting money for your medical bills,

which would be covered under Obamacare. But be that as it may Larry Nichols. Why not go for Medicare for all Larry Nichols? Join the winning. I mean, the losing team. We're all going to die. It's very bad times on this Thursday. Yep.

So the other thing he talks about is how he thinks that the stuff with Clinton's server, Hillary's private server emails. He thinks it's Obama setting her up. All right. That's not a narrative I've ever heard. Well, because that is the most intriguing narrative I have ever heard. Well, it's because Larry Nichols believes that Obama wants

to become the last president because when you're the last president, you become king. And if Obama becomes king, he will immediately turn the United States into an Islamic caliphate, right? At which point he is the leader of Islam worldwide now. And so he needs to get the Clintons out of the way. Right.

They're the only force powerful enough to take him down and stop his Islamification plan. Right. So he's got to make this server shit happen in order to set up Hillary, take her down. Then there's nothing stopping him from being king of the Muslims. Okay.

Here's my counter theory. All right. Counter theory to that. I agree with the premise Obama did set up Hillary Clinton. Why revenge on America? Hmm. Who has been treated worse than Obama? And now it's time.

Fair. Now Obama's thinking, you know what? I'm fucking out of here. Yeah, I'm done with you, fucks. Guess what? Welcome to Trump. Now you'll finally appreciate me. Don't you?

Don't you? Appalachia. Have a hot plate of Trump. Yeah, how about how good is Obamacare looking now? Fuckface. God, that's reasonable enough that I believe that now. I think that's true. I have declared it.

Obamacare Trump is Obama's revenge on us. It follows like human nature, but at the same time Obama's not nearly that petty. Well, did you did you read that? I mean, think about the Russian story, right? Maybe Obama could have revealed all the information that he already knew. Maybe he could have told us.

Maybe he could have done something. I feel like what happened? Nothing. I feel like that comes into legality though. I'm not entirely sure about all the dynamics. Be that as it may currently, I don't think anything any president does can now be punished by any force of law. It's Thunderdome.

Yeah, it's, it's all over. So be that as it may. My prediction was right. The fuck on that Larry Nichols was coming and he shows up on this episode. You're not saying that to brag. No, but I'm right all the time. Exactly.

But also I'm right about the other thing I suggested here's where Alex's head is at at the on August 17th, 2015, as it relates to Trump. Okay. My gut tells me not to completely trust Donald Trump, but also not to completely judge him and say that he's an operative completely. And now I've moved from 5050 on Trump to 6040 towards him.

What does that mean? Because what he's doing. Is hurting the establishment, the imaginary team in my head that I'm again, and I could see all the angles of how he ends up helping Hillary. In fact, we have a piece Paul Watson did last week from Four's nightly news. I never aired on the radio.

I want to play that with his perspective on how Trump's bad at the bottom of the hour, but then I'm going to go over why Trump may be good and I want to be clear. I'm not endorsing Donald Trump. Okay. All right. I'm simply just not going to be the ultimate cynic. Ultimate critic.

I'm going to wait until he sells people out and then not just myself, but tens of millions of others are going to make sure he's politically and financially punished. I'm going to hold you to that and Trump's not stupid. That's why I've looked at every angle and something big is going on here and it's beyond Trump. That's coming up. So Alex is right.

First off, John Lovitz is the ultimate critic. Yes. That's that's just the truth. Sure. And wait, is that all you had? No, I have a second off. Okay, that pause. Jesus.

That pause scared me. I took a sip. God damn it. You didn't even have to. I took a sip. You didn't have your hand on the cake bottle. I looked at my notes. I took a sip.

That was a pause. This is revenge. This is revenge. This is revenge for the replicants. Isn't it? I knew it. I knew it. You have three words.

I would know. I have five words. All right, go ahead. He's going to wait until he sells people out. Yeah, but what is that inevitable? How? Yeah, but how can you be sixty forty four Trump and still be like, yeah, he's going to sell everybody out.

I don't know. His numbers don't make any sense. He trusts Ted Cruz 95% at this point in history and then cucks him out like two months later. Yeah. So I mean, who knows? His numbers and his loyalties are meaningless. Yeah, it does kind of seem like he blows in whatever wind

he feels like. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And as as the course of this episode goes, our speculation that a lot of this was about Hillary is probably true, but I have found a new leader in the clubhouse. Okay. For theories of what's going on Obama. No.

Okay, Larry Nichols is not correct. So on this episode, one of the news stories he wants to cover is about how there's a sorority that made an ad. He's already done very. There's a sorority that made an ad. You have no idea how dumb. Why do we live in this world? So they got a little backlash.

And the reason is it's because it's an all white commercial. It's all white people in this sorority. Okay. And they got a little backlash. Is it all white people in a very, we love all white people kind of way, or is it just a sorority that's like, let me be clear. I didn't watch the video, but let's get Alex Jones's take on

it to white sorority video slam for being racially homogenous to just homogenous. Also, I want to give one little bit of a warning. There is a jump cut in the middle of this audio clip. It's the first time there ever will be one of those on this podcast. Do you mean it? Is it the last time as well?

No, maybe not. I'm not sure, but I did that because he talked about the video in two chunks and in between was a two minute commercial for Prostagard. So I cut out the commercial and just put the two pieces back to back. Yeah, but don't you just love the juxtaposition of young sorority girls taken to making a video and then.

Hey, old dudes, I do like that. Watch out for peeing. Sometimes it's hard. Well, Alex also was like, I take Prostagard every day. It's not like I need it, but you know, talking about why? Why are you taking all your pills? You're rotting your brain. Alex.

Oh, also, there was that report that came out about how Gwyneth Paltrow's Goop blog recommends all the same. It's officially my favorite thing, which is pretty wild. But then also I was reading through that trolled opposition. I was reading through the article that had all the comparison of her products, her like hippie, bougie products versus Alex Jones's info wars products and how they're all pretty much the same things.

And one thing that I didn't realize is the iodine, the amount that's in the pills that Alex sells is substantially over the recommended amount that you per day. Yeah. So if you take the iodine every day, you are way against doctors orders. Okay. I think it's like 700 micrograms more than what doctors

recommend as a ceiling for what's safe. So taking that much iodine could actually be dangerous. Yeah. Alex is doing that every day plus prostagard. Oof. Plus super female vitality. Sure. Sure.

What else does he God damn it. Selenium. It's a shell a jeet. I shield. I believe him when he says he's taking these things. Somewhat. Yeah. It's gross and weird.

It's pretty gross. But so is this clip. It's bad. I wonder if he can afford to be predominantly white fraternity 20% while they're totally black fraternities totally Hispanic fraternities Easter. So I mean, I'm going to do a piece where I'm going to go out to some of these black bars in East Austin.

I'm going to walk in with a camera. I'm not kidding. If I have the time, I'll do it or my reporters ought to. I'm not scared to do it. Oh, folks will laugh. I think it's funny. Uh, but I'm going to go into a totally black bar. There's a whole bunch of them in East Austin.

I'm going to walk in and go, why is this so black? They're going to say, excuse me. I'm going to say, oh man, it's a joke. I'm doing a piece of all Alex Jones. Watch. I'm I think I'm going to do it. And I'll be, oh, I'm just in here filming for a show. What do you think about this?

And I'll sit back and have a beer. The point is that it's not racist that if you grow up around a bunch of people and that's what you're used to. That's what you do. They got Japanese fraternities. There's not Chinese in them. They're Japanese. They got Chinese.

There's not Mexicans in them. Because it's the culture. It's what it is. It's that if you hate other people and then don't want to work with them, that's racist, but we're going to get to that. So that's where the, uh, that's where the jump cut is. And, uh, one of the things that Alex is doing is this really unfair thing where it's like, well, if you grow up in a

certain segregated culture, uh, it makes sense. So when you're an adult, you want to be segregated. Yeah, that's not, that's not a good argument for anything. It's not good, but it's also not applicable really to like sororities or fraternities and stuff like that, which are regulated by, you know, organizations, like Greek life organizations. And if you have a no black people fraternity, that's a

systematic problem that has nothing to do with, I gravitate towards other people of my race. No, that's, that's institutional. Well, and not only that, but it's, it's very much impossible to prove or disprove, uh, unless you go undercover. It's just like the, uh, something like that. No, I mean, just like the housing. So they'll have people who are working for regulatory

agencies. They'll have, uh, white people or white woman, black woman, both go try to rent the same apartment and they consistently find that black women are quoted a much higher rent. They're, they're, they're systematically discriminated against. So you can't prove that the sorority is doing this because of this video, but also, you know, it's not necessary. It's not necessarily that they're not doing it either.

You would have to send in, uh, an undercover college student to be like, Hey, I'd like to rush your fraternity or sorority and they'd be like skin color and then walk away. Yeah. And I mean, I don't know. I, I, I don't know how to unpack the idea that there are like all black fraternities and things like that because those do exist.

Yeah. And I don't really see that big of a problem with it somehow, but all white fraternities and sororities do seem like a problem to me. Why is that? I, well, uh, because you're a white guilt, haven't cock. Oh, that's it. No, I, I, here's, here's one of my big issues.

Actually, I just answered my own question in my head. Yeah. It's because race in our country, uh, has had a really exclusionary history. Yeah. And, uh, that was done by white people. Right. It wasn't done by these other disenfranchised groups.

So when we mirror the past, it is a problem. Right. And when they have groups that are inclusionary to themselves as a support system. Yeah. Generally, it seems like a, we have to unite to fight back against this because they, if we don't, then they're going to pick us off one by one.

Or less fight back and more support each other. Right. Yeah. Again, why am I, we don't, we are always speaking violent metaphors. Well, we are very frustrated. It's like we're not allowed in their space. So we create our own space.

Right. Right. That's a, that's a good analysis. Uh, I think that might be more white. Doesn't really offend me that much. Right. Well, I think, I think it, it is, I think you're right. Um, my thoughts on it are, uh, built around.

I think the way that Chicago is so segregated, like, I think one of the biggest issues is that if we're this segregated, then it is very much a, you're not, you're still treating people as the other. Yeah. Like that's one of the big things that they did that changed things for Alabama immediately following the civil war is once you have a generation of kids that are

fully segregated or not, not say fully integrated, they don't fear black people. It is very much an inclusionary thing. Everybody gets pissed off whenever you try and do it, but I think integration, even if it's forced integration, ultimately winds up being a much better situation for everyone. Well, in some ways that forced integration is a bad way

to put it. And it's almost like it's a very bad way to put it, but it's almost, what was, what let me, let me put a, let me shine that piece up. I think it better way to phrase it to be like immersion therapy for people who are afraid or just, just desegregation like what, what was the school system other than forced integration?

Right. You can call it desegregation, which is still an accurate moniker, but I think, you know, again, I'm always speaking violent metaphors now. It's a very frustrating time. It's Alex's fault. Forced integration. So Alex is not done talking about these sororities and this

video. What a shocker. And it takes a weird spin. So coming up to white sorority video slam for being racially homogeneous. Too white, too. The black people in it or you ever see a Hispanic group of people out of the park go up and say, why are you so racist?

Why are there 300 Hispanic people at this park barbecuing? Where are the black people? Where are the white people? Racist, racist, racist. Does it get more indicative of white privilege than that? Yeah. Why can't I join your family's barbecue? Yeah, whatever.

Yeah. Can you, can you think of any situation where ribs? All right. Oh, yeah. That's a good point. He always feels left out when there's a barbecue who doesn't love ribs. But yeah, that is the most glaring example of white privilege

because you can see that happening and then being like, dude, we're just trying to or maybe they're super inclusive. Well, this is a big argument that white supremacists make about the idea of diversity actually being code for like white genocide. Uh-huh. The idea that, you know, like there's these all white organizations that they need diversity, but you never say

that you need diversity in all black organizations and stuff like that. Which again, it's a, it's the difference between the oppressor and the oppressed. At least historically. Yeah. And currently. Yeah.

But yeah. And probably for the future as well. Doesn't look like, doesn't look like you're going to be wrong. Here we go. There's not a positive spin. Not really. No. What's racist is implying.

Yeah. Tell me what's racist. Black or being Hispanic is inherently bad. That's the only feminist group is complaining about this. Doesn't like it because it's a bunch of really good looking women. And as we know, modern feminists, for whatever reason, they have international studies out are three times fatter and

on beauty scales, much lower. And it turns out they want to dominate women and tell women what to do. And I'm not against lesbians or anything, but let's face it. Predominantly, a lot of hardcore feminists are lesbians who just want to pimp women. And hey, I'm more powered. You know, I mean, I'm being sarcastic, but I mean, I am impressed

by some of the dog ugly women. I see where and they got a chain on their wallet short haircut and they're dressing down their hot blonde girlfriend. You know, who's got her nails done just right. Looks like Marilyn Monroe. And I hear about the police reports where you got the lesbians beating up their girlfriends and their wives. I mean, you'll see like some giant, you know, fat woman with

tattoos everywhere. She's got a girlfriend. Looks like she's going to be the centerfold next week's playboy. And that's just how they roll and the women bow down and they follow their daddy. And I'm sorry. That's what this is really all about fake life.

Also, uh, yeah, that's what it's all about. That's what that whole thing is all about. These families are mad because it's a bunch of hot white gals. Oh, so that was some nuanced. You are so mad. You threw down your pen in the middle of that. I can't fucking breathe. Well, because I can't there's no way that see that's that's

the problem. Like anytime there's a there's like a fictional meeting between me and Alex Jones in my mind, Alex says something like that and I just begin to break down and scream not even not words not like you're you're a mean guy just like yelling directly into his face for an hour. Let me ask you the one uninterrupted screaming what that is fucking unbelievable.

It's going to get away with that fucking what it's going to get so much worse God fucking dammit. But like what is the hypothetical framework of this meeting you're going to have with Alex? You put in a show. What are you doing? No, no, no, what we would do there would be a summit.

Okay, and of course I would say the only person who could mediate between the two of us is the person who sabotaged Hillary's campaign. Larry Nichols Obama. You three you have a beer. Exactly. Alex might have six. Alex says it.

Alex just is like, Hey, man, I'm I'm really just a character. You know, I'm really just I'm just ramping it up to you know play off these these dumb dumps who buy this product. I'm just in it for the money. Right. I'm like, No, I totally understand that. But let me ask you a question. How do you feel about all white sororities?

And then you'd start talking. And these last bows are mad. They're predominantly lesbian. It's fucking everybody. These lesbians. It's me. The lesbians are so mad because they're ugly. I'm mad.

And I am the most beautiful man in the world. You're mad about something you didn't know existed for two years of the past. It's fucking insane. Yeah. So there was no consequences for saying that shit. Period. None.

Do you know your drink is espresso? Yeah. Okay. This might be an issue. This is my brain force. You've just destroyed us. Oh, no. Now I'm amped up all the time.

I didn't realize that you had that sensitivity to caffeine. I don't. I drink. She's got a vitality. I drink. She had a drink last time. I drink a pot of coffee every single day. Uh-oh.

This is going to be lunacy. Wow. All right. Let's let's let's try and get through this then. This next clip that we have from August 17th. Alex talks a little bit about Hillary Clinton and then I left this in mostly because what I brought up on the last episode the trend of very positive feelings towards Russia.

This next clip demonstrates some of them. Oh boy. And Alex has some pretty fucked up stuff, but you got to admit it's a great con game. It's a great confidence game by Hillary and all the rest of her types that they are the men now and they dress like men. They talk like men. They've taught men to be subservient back like little boys

and they get all the girls. Hillary gets all the girls for herself and she should be proud of that. I mean, you think these Mac daddy rapper guys got a bunch of girls in their videos. Hillary's got it for real rolling in the crib. She got the drugs, everything party time, baby. And Bill likes the girls too.

They we got Larry Nichols coming on. Tell us all about it former Clinton insider in the New York Times admits that's who Clinton worries about at night. We're talking about the fall of Hillary Clinton and Bill coming up. It looks like it might be happening, but speaking of the devil, let's go to this clip of Hillary talking about how Vladimir Putin is like the guy from House of Cards.

Now, Vladimir Putin's former KGB and a tough guy and reportedly was an assassin and but he rules by straight shooting and has an 87% approval rating. He does rule by straight shooting. That is a strong man publicly House of Cards guy is a manipulating crook who acts like a sweet non-threatening person. That's you, Hillary. So here she is saying Putin is House of Cards.

You talk about distorting reality here at ish. Wow. Wow. He's a straight shooter. Well, with a gun. He's he look straight shooter when he murders journalists. Very few of the journalists that have been shot were shot more than two or three times.

That's a fair point. Very straight shooter. Also, whenever you have strong arm leaders, don't cite their approval ratings. No, look, 87 is low. Who's the king of Saudi Arabia? I don't know. The crown prince just got forced out.

Yeah, 97% approval rating though. Yeah, I can't imagine why he got forced out. No protests. No, no, no, none. That's that's the sign of a happy people. But you see Alex not a constantly under threat of murder people. You see Alex is completely buying into Russian propaganda.

At this point, he must be watching a ton of like R T and Sputnik and shit like that. Like he has referenced how like R T and he said you watch Russian propaganda or the he doesn't call propaganda. He's like that would be hilarious. Have you seen R T this propaganda shit? This is good stuff. He's like you watch Russian state television and it's like

it's all Alex Jones is on there. Like yeah, there's a reason for that. Yeah, that's you should you should look at hard in a Russian mirror. Yeah. So when he's like, you know, I hate tyranny. I love freedom and everything like that. Then Putin's a strong leader.

He's got a great approval rating. He's a straight shooter. He's not manipulative. It's like Alex, Alex, Alex and his his whole but like they're dressing like that. Like it sounds like he's mad at Mary Tyler Moore or Murphy Brown. Like we've already established this is fine, dude.

Women in the workplace. Yeah, go fucking back in time. Whenever that makes sense, you know, you're all pissed off about. I'm pissed off about ladies who lunch. Yeah. So that what is it with pants suits? Unbecoming that it brings us to the end of August 17th.

That was most of because we're not going to like I said, we're not talking about Larry Nichols Rick. Also, Gerald Gerald Salenti comes on to talk about how the end is near for the economy also by gold. He says that the economy is definitely going to collapse by the end of the year. Oh boy. And so by gold or implied because of the last episode,

maybe Max coins. Maybe one of Alex Jones's guests own cryptocurrency. God, I wanted I want to get some of that now. So now we come to what we can we still get Max coin? I think it's still available. Yeah. Oh man. So Jordan.

Yeah. Now we're going to go to August 18th and that will take up the rest of our show. Oh, I don't that any time one episode in the investigation takes up the rest of our show. That means it's going to be really fucked up. It's something big happened. You remember a couple episodes back.

Alex Jones got a call from a literal white supremacist. Yes, I recall. I told him you need to have David Duke on your show. Oh fuck. He has David Duke on his show. He has David Duke on his show. Fuck you, Dan. For two hours.

Dan. Most of the show. You are going to make me listen to a former grand former who can prove. He actually has some negative things to say about the Klan. Okay. Weirdly. But yeah, it's damage control like like the administrative

services weren't great. No, it's more like I gave up being a grand dragon because the health plan was shit. It's more like I was one of the good ones and I got out. Right. Whatever. Yeah, I know. So David Duke is resoundingly a horrible, horrible human

being. I don't need to go into detail on it and I don't want to repeat a lot of what he says on my show because we have control over this show. Yeah. And I'm not. I've cut out most of the flaming bigotry that comes out of his mouth.

Right. But I've left in some stuff that is important for our investigation. Okay. Because this interview does not go how Alex Jones wants it to. Okay. That makes me feel better.

We've established in the past that Alex Jones is a terrible interviewer. Yes. He thinks that he's bringing David Duke onto the show and it's going to be a I got you. I'm going to ask him about abortion. I'm going to ask him how Planned Parenthood is genocide. I'm going to bring up all my narratives and he's not going

to have an answer and then David Duke is going to be humiliated on my show that goes very differently. This is an astronaut all over again. Isn't it? It's way worse except except instead of somebody who's gone into space and you've seen the pale blue dot that the world is instead it's somebody who rustles underneath rocks like a caterpillar poisoning not caterpillar millipede poisoning

whomever he touches. Yeah. Here's an appeal. Which one's the most poisonous either venomous chimera of them. See now we're getting into the good tech. So I I'm not going to like I said if you want to know more about David Duke look him up on your own. You can find some really fucking horrible things.

He said you can find him being very supportive of the Nazi Party in America. You can find any always couches it behind. I'm just trying to protect my own that sort of thing which is dicey but before we get into the interview here is what happens. Alex Jones didn't do his research and he doesn't know how much he agrees with David Duke.

Of course not. So all he knows is this guy used to be in the KKK and he pushes race politics. So like he he's like David Duke you're like a white version of these minority groups that I hate. You're like Laraza which he thinks is a some sort of gang but it's actually an advocacy group course he's like you're like Farrakhan but for white people that's sort of his premise

but he doesn't realize is that David Duke for all the horribleness of him. He is way smarter than Alex and believes basically the same thing course except he says Jews instead of globalists. Right and there's a reason for that Alex because the globalists are Jews. Alex's entire philosophy is built around this anti-Semitic buildup from like late 1800s on right from the time of the

protocols of the Elders of Zion coming out you get through to the creation of the Federal Reserve. Right. All this stuff is the foundational aspects of this massive Jewish conspiracy that they're controlling everything that we do the Zionists and what have you which is what globalism is right. The fear of globalists is that yeah.

So the so Alex comes out thinking he's going to prove he's not a racist yes and then it turns out he proves that he is a racist. No while at the same time believing that he's still proving he's not a racist. No I don't I don't think you have that quite right. What I think more happens is that Alex is caught off guard by having to agree with a lot of the stuff that David Duke

says and all he has to go back on is you're obsessed with Jews and not much else. So Alex gets cucked basically on his own show by a like an out and out white nationalist course and I think that this is demonstrative of a few things Alex Jones be like as weak as hell. He starts to see some of like oh this KKK ain't so bad and then also KKK is OK KKK and then also David Duke uses a number

of arguments that Alex Jones ends up eventually using. So in the same way that Alex Jones would take information from callers and integrate it into his theories. I can see at least three or four points in this interview that he where David David Duke says something and then within episodes that I've heard in the future of this Alex just mirrors it identically. But he says globalists.

Of course instead of Zionists or Jews so like I said I tried to cut out as much of just the out and out hatred as possible because we don't need to sit through that. Is that it. Is that all you have to do to rebrand and make and make out and out bigotry more acceptable is just change a word. Yeah apparently so Jordan without further ado let's dive into this interview with David Duke.

Here's how it starts. Thank you so much for joining us today and I hope we can have a good debate here. Well I hope so and if you give me a chance to talk that would be great and I look forward to a real discussion about some of the basic issues because I would like to get down to the bottom today about who the real elite is in this country and in the world that is truly as you say and it's absolutely

true. They're an enemy of all mankind and I think for them and you even said this as well in the first part of the show you said they want to in some ways go against European peoples because they want to control the West and the power of the West and I think that's why we're in these wars in the Middle East really wars for Israel and wars for the globalist powers but I'm not a I'm not a carbon copy or a

mirror image of Al Sharpton. The truth is that there is a racism that dominates America supremacism. There we go. Racism vicious hate and racism against the European American and as far as eugenics or as far as limiting births the real population explosion. Black people have a much higher birth rate than whites.

Mexicans have a much higher birth rate than even African Americans. European Americans have about a 1.6 birth rate which means we're losing a quarter of our people every generation. The population explosion in the world is an African explosion the United Nations just recently put out a statistic showing that in Africa by 2050 there'll be 1.3 billion Africans and that's almost entirely because of the massive birth rate.

So I don't believe that maybe because they're intentionally trying to medical technology limit the birth rates of African Americans or African Americans or whatever the truth is that the only people on the planet who are losing their numbers and of course it's only white nations know that are being massively invaded by immigration which the globalists and the Zionists have dominated in the United States Canada Australia every European nation today is under attack.

So there even in his opening statement he sounds very similar to Alex just not careful with his language. That's he's making the same points. The globalists are attacking all these European white nations with immigrants Dan that's I signed on to this podcast to listen to one Alex Jones. I did not sign on to listen to two Alex Jones is agree with each other.

Well but it's important. It's really important. I know it's brutal. I know that no one wants to listen to David Duke. But in terms of where we end up this is crucial. Okay. You are so bad. You're so bad.

No I'm mad. I'm mad. Okay. I had the control the West narrative that the West they always throw around the West though that means a goddamn fucking thing. Well the West and European Americans are the same. It's just what you mean is Europe and North

America and what you really mean is North America and what you really mean is the United States and then what you really really mean is fucking white people just say white people and people who are close enough to white visually past just pull just get rid of your bullshit. Right. Say the fucking West. Well no but that's that's the intellectual bigotry of a David

Duke you know he's he's less careful with his language than Alex in the sense that he is out in front about it that he thinks that it's the Jews and that's the Jews and that white people are being genocided. Yeah. He's he out being outburst Alex fears those sorts of things but is a little bit more couched in his language but you know David Duke is smarter in the sense that he wouldn't be

as dumb to say white because then then you can hide behind yeah you can hide behind the West right can't really hide behind white there's way more you got to be worried about more way more angles of attack like can't we I'm fine you know what David Duke continue being a racist but will every single thing that an immigrant anywhere has invented has patented has anything you no longer get to use now only get to use things made by white people now they just stole them all you

only get to use things made by white people that's that so that's that's our rule now that's the one law that if I was if I was any kind of king of any sort and I hope you guys all eventually elect me to be the autocratic dictator I think there will be voting I think eventually it will be me my one law is if you think that it's white people you only get to use white people things okay that's it I think it's a very reasonable rule we we prove everything that's everything

that's been invented by an immigrant that you use like pretty much all the stuff white people don't get to use anymore okay done sounds good yep so David Duke likes to pretend that he's real smart and has got a lot of sources for things but one of the first sources that he cites about his sort of Jewish supremacy over America and Info Wars article no it's even worse than that I'll let him play I'll play this clip and then I'll explain what the source is and how David Duke you

busted but who runs Hollywood it's not European American Christians my friend every one of the 10 largest Hollywood studios of movies and television are all Jewish control I can give you the names we have a graphic here of Jewish pundits like at the Los Angeles Times who is in the middle of Hollywood where he boasts that Jews totally run Hollywood and in the article he lists all the leaders of the Hollywood networks and he says he's insulted when people try to argue when even

Jews argue that Jews don't control Hollywood he's proud of it and he goes on to say I don't care people think we're running the Federal Reserve international banking Wall Street the media and government all I care is we keep on running them so that sounds pretty bad you know what happens in the middle of that clip they flash up on screen the graphic that he sent along and it's an article by Joel Stein no do you know Joel Stein I know satirist and humorous Joel Stein yeah

yeah yeah wow Jewish pundit yeah like oh boy if you're taking that a Joel Stein article as your proof that like the Jews admit it right they run everything right you got a problem that's not good that's like taking a Dave Barry column yeah that's an onion thing more or less yeah that's what you did yeah great great great David Duke your fucking hero but that should give you some sort of an indication about the level of thoroughness he does in terms of you know verifying his

sources figuring out making sure he knows exactly what he's talking about when he wants to make claims on a radio show listen to by millions of idiots and here's another thing I think when we're running low on food we should start eating poor Irish babies oh this but that's the track this proposal sounds modest it is a it's not a big deal yeah it's only one small group of people sure we've got plenty more in the west right and I want to how else do we increase white people's

birth rate than by eating white babies that's just a fact yeah absolutely it's good science I should say Joel Stein has a sort of problematic history he's written some things that are pretty fucked up but all in all at least especially at this point in his career he's a humorist he might make some bad points at some point times I remember I read this article that he's referencing and it's meant in jest yeah he clearly just picked like some quotes and was like this proves all my

points right he's a fucking idiot like that needs to be said yeah but so this next clip they get into another thing white people don't get to use humor I don't know I think I think I think the the west invented humor the British Jews with their right oh that's I don't know how I got racist all of a sudden what just happened to me it's like the violent language is rubbing off now I'm now I'm now I'm fucking David Duke left you can blame the espresso yeah so in this next clip I want

single payer health care and I don't want the Jews to have it what's wrong with me David Duke on the left I'm a progressive David Duke socialist yeah so they call me the Duke of socialism Jesus Christ fucking kill me so in the first clip of David Duke that we played you could hear that he agreed with Alex in terms of immigration stuff he agreed in terms of their being a globalist force that they were up against and in his next clip and he very slickly threw it in there as like a the

globalists and the Zionist he puts the globalists up there first as like a little candy and stick for Alex Jones to be like there's a I agree the globalist and then he says Zionism like agree the Zionist there's a large sense that I think David Duke is trying to get Alex to recognize that they agree on course but in this next clip is another indication of two things that they agree on the next question what do you think of Donald Trump well I don't know if I can trust him

because he's been involved with the Zionist and he's one of these guys in the Republican debate we got a controlled media we even Fox News is like a controlled opposition Orwell was so great about that and Orwell talked about the controlled opposition and in his great book he talks about the control opposition for some reason he named the controlled opposition Emmanuel Goldstein using two Jewish names and I think that the Jewish extremists can set up a controlled opposition and

if you saw the debate it was like a ambush and against Donald Trump and most because he was talking about the fact that European Americans are losing the right the people who built this great country who gave us the foundations of our bill of rights all the things to believe about are being replaced and and here's the problem I'm again I believe in having a kind nation toward all people supporting all people I for any sort of expectation and give an example the media so powerful

they can just make main monikers I have never ever been a white supremacist I believe in equal rights for all people I've always stated that position even back in my clan days I was a young man boy that's a tough that's a tough sentence even back in my clan days I was like hey listen white people we need to kill the Jews in the blacks but we need to kill him equally but you know what like all people should be treated equal with the fucking he he doesn't get to have a pass on in

my young wild clan days because he wasn't an entry level member of the clan no he was a he was a grand dragon which is already the dumbest thing that you should say that yeah we don't need to go into that because Alex takes care of that a little bit later but yeah I mean he doesn't he doesn't he can't play that game that's not fair and again we're getting back into Alex's thing of like I'm referencing movies I'm referencing other things he's referencing Orwell yeah and he's like well Orwell

hated the Dru the Jews what are you talking about yeah he was wise to make a Jewish name and then but but but even beyond that there's two very important pieces of Alex's at least his current framework and I think they're you know pieces that are intrinsic to him that they agree on distrust of the media that the media is full of shit yeah and that Trump can't really trust him because as David Duke would say he's been involved with Zionists or he's been involved with Clinton or he's

been with Alex's framework he's been involved with the global it's exactly the same thing right this is this is a meeting of the minds of two men who agree with each other but don't want to agree with each other because Alex if he admits he agrees with David Duke on just about anything he is now with David Duke right and if David Duke agrees with Alex he has to give up the pretense or he has to give up what makes him what made him famous which is being an anti-Semite you know

what I mean do you see because I kind of he can't agree with Alex because that's surrender well that's watering down his philosophy he can't go to Alex I think I hear a lot of him trying to bring Alex to him yeah that's that's what I see I don't see two men trying to disagree with each each other I see one man trying so hard to not be racist while being racist yeah and another man being like give in give in to the hate come on buddy your leads to anger the water's fine look look

at how famous I am and I hate the Jews you want to join oh no I've survived yeah it's it's wild like this is this is a damning portrait of Alex Jones is a human yeah he does try and defend himself a little bit later and he tries to put up some sort of a resistance to David Dukes you know what here's the thing I don't know if it's wrong to have David Duke on your show I don't know about that I don't want to I don't want to say I think it's everyone's right to choose what guests

you will have and will not have on your show I will say that it's wrong that Alex let David Duke say the things on his show that he did unchallenged yeah because the only real rebuke that he gets is ju ju ju it's all ju with you that sort of thing that's it and that there's no like real pressing back in terms of like what do you what does he say it oh god yeah I can't I just I just get bogged out I think and I think it is very much just like the the all white sorority versus the all

black sorority any time a white person says we referring to all white people yeah I'm immediately I'm immediately like oh you think we're all going to kill somebody that's that's a like if if yeah every time black people refer to every black person as we it's always a thing of solidarity anytime white white people refer to all of white people as we it's always a violent thing well it's always we're under attack and always we need to fight back and the reason that you and

I might be more a verse to that is that there's an implied lumping us in with and we want no part of it no so Alex like I said he tries to push back a little bit and one of the only things that he keeps doing is he keeps trying to get David Duke to say something about Hitler he keeps like he's like so all right he's all right now back on board he's like well back in with this next clip he just sort of like hey what do you think about that guy Hitler and accidentally says

some bad stuff himself so I want to get your views on that because you say you're not a white supremacist what is your view of Adolf Hitler because I have not even in mainline history books but the Nuremberg trials and a lot of German writings as well I mean the Nazis really were a weird death cult they really were into all sorts of weird ceremonial magic they really didn't think Hitler was God I mean I mean I really genuinely and I know there's two sides to World War

two but the West funded the rise of Hitler that's West signed a secret treaty that's been basically released by the British basic to back Hitler in a takeover of Europe that they had Edward the eighth ready to be the new king of Europe they double crossed but that doesn't mean Hitler's good it means see again the West England British intelligence along with some of the US was setting things up I mean take Prescott Bush they had not see agent in the US and they're playing for a coup

with Smedley Butler I mean there's all this other stuff going on agent in the United States at all I think this is I'm sorry but I believe that the information you have there is false and maybe it's planted by the people is this this information the truth is that there's no evidence at all that Western nations supported the rise of Hitler are any of the Gentile establishment in America that you have the cover of Tom magazine yeah that's that's a little wild oh boy I love that

Alex's main issue with Hitler is that they were a weird death cult well yeah sure and then and then again what's the who's the West now do Germans not apply to the are Germans not in the West they are now currently Italians yeah sure of course yeah it's fucked up but here's a team more fucked up in that clip first of all Alex is getting a little dicey with the there's two sides of World War two there's two sides there's two sides you know one side wanted to rule the world and the

other side was like stop well what Alex is to the two sides I think Alex is trying to bait David Duke into getting into how he doesn't believe in gas chambers and stuff like that yeah it's and also and that was the that was the thought I was a I was thinking he was about to say the truth is there were no Jews killed in the Holocaust David Duke is way too smart to do that yeah he's way too smart to get trapped like that yeah in the conversation and so Alex's games are not

going to work but here's the other thing as transparent as they are and it might this might just be because we have listened to so much of him and we have like a familiarity and David Duke is such a monster but there's a kind that you kind of pulling for Alex just because in comparison don't don't don't make me say that well don't make me say that in this conversation you're kind of hoping he's like Alex break through your conditioning I know break through your programming

about I know I'm rooting for Alex here because what you hope what you hope is going to happen is that Alex Jones is going to come face to face with David Duke who's saying the exact same shit that he says but about hating Jews Alex knows that hating Jews is dumb and based on bigotry right and so he will you hope you just hope that he will see this and be like oh no everything I think is wrong that oh my god I've been wrong this whole time have I been like him oh my god I wouldn't go I

wouldn't that's not my hope my hope for this interview is Alex gets mad that's all I really want I want Alex to genuinely get angry and be like you think you can hate the Jews for no reason like that kind of a thing I don't he's not going to change his he's he's already twenty years in spoiler alert no neither of us get our wish how can you not be angry because Alex is weak well I think a weak T Alex tries to get a little bit crafty and it doesn't really work I'll explain that

later Alex should not Alex should not try and rely on his craftiness so I gotta stick with his blood bread and butter which is screaming like a lunatic well he can't and I'll explain why in a minute okay but Alex is against this idea that Jews control everything but he is for the idea that globalists control everything naturally so he doesn't see a contradiction inherent there and I'll let him explain why in this next clip I'm simply here really trying to have

sophisticated thought I'm not saying David Duke isn't sophisticated I've just heard all this over and over again and I've also experienced at the hands of the anti Mason groups the anti Catholic groups the anti Jew groups where they give just God like superpowers to whoever they believe runs everything and so therefore I'm Jewish because I've been successful you stupid or I'm only successful because Jews tell me what to do and I'm on the hotline to Tel Aviv so yeah he's

an idiot he doesn't realize that he's using the exact same thing he's attacking to build up his globalist myth god damn it he's trapped he he should never have agreed to do this interview imagine okay here's a here's a thought experiment right we take a transcript of this interview right and we just transpose globalist and Jews oh man and then we transpose the names it's the same conversation isn't it no it wouldn't be because like I don't believe any of the things David Duke is

saying but and I think most of the facts he cites aren't facts but he has a lot more information than Alex okay he comes in with names he comes in with actual pieces of tidbits whereas Alex is mostly just yelling about well what do you think about this yeah so in this next clip did we do a good enough job of explaining that Alex is an idiot for attacking people who think Catholics were on the world are you kidding me Alex the fact that he said you ascribe superpowers to whomever

it is you think is the enemy is like Alex ah you just want to shake him by the shoulders and be like that's what you say about the globalist you stupid fucker I'll remind you that in 2017 he allowed someone pretty much unchallenged on his show to say that the globalists have a Mars colony that they're kidnapping children and taking them to God like powers yeah so Alex you dumb you're real dumb so I told you that Alex couldn't start yelling at him yes and there's a reason okay

they have clearly set up parameters for this conversation ahead of time Alex Jones has made a lot of concessions to David Duke to have him come on the show he said early in the interview I didn't have I don't have the clip of it but he says you agreed to come on the show if I'd be nice and it's very clear that David Duke made time limit things like I'll speak for five minutes then you speak for five minutes and the reason this is clear is because they bicker about it at least

twelve times throughout the interview David Duke makes petty comments about how like I need my time Alex is like I'm giving you your time like they end up fighting throughout the entire two hours mostly about time it's it's the Republican debates all over again I did not have time to get all of the clips because I'm telling you it's like ten to twelve isolated like look I'm letting you talk like that sort of thing children yeah and but here is here is an example of that them arguing

about the time and who who's talking and then Alex asks a question that he thinks is a gotcha question about abortion and Planned Parenthood and not he just doesn't realize that everything he's doing is what he does and is helping David Duke right like he looks at listen to the way that David Duke answers this question and realize that Alex is the worst he is the literal worst and then he didn't answer the question I want you to answer this I'll give you the floor for ten minutes David

but I want you to answer this question you keep acting like there's no connection to Planned Parenthood and white supremacy and exterminist operations that is going on so how do you square up that behind the scenes the Democratic Party are I mean a fellow Grand Dragon senator bird the left accepts and loves him they don't accept and love you there's something else going on here's what I'm getting at go ahead well I'm glad you're giving me ten minutes I hope you hold to that because you did

speak even over that that's okay and I'll be happy to go now I just spoke six and a half minutes go ahead I got you whatever my my clocks is different that's okay well there was a break three minutes three minutes whatever but the point is that and we can go into this I'll I'll go to the end of the program the next hour or two because you're right this I feel like the only way I can really get a clear exposition of all my positions but here's the issue about that I first off the

KKK was not the author of any sort of Planned Parenthood what I did and I was in the House represent by the way let me make something really clear to you so there's no misunderstanding not only have I spoken and and been completely opposed to abortion I also put my money where my mouth is and the House of Representatives I voted for the strongest anti-abortion law that's ever been passed by a legislative body in the United States of America so it's really clear what I stand for

good job he just forced himself into a situation where he had to compliment David Duke of course Alex is so bad at this why didn't he do any research I bet he didn't even know David Duke was in the House of Representatives I didn't know David Duke was in the House it's pretty fucked up David Duke was in the House of Representatives yeah people elected David Duke yeah and Grand Dragon uh-huh to the House of Representatives yeah at a certain point in America's history wow yeah I mean it

doesn't seem like too far of a long shot for the future quite it's almost it's almost like you have to go back as far as now to get another former KKK member inside the House of Representatives yeah maybe of or maybe noted racist and anti-Semite just Jeff Sessions who was in the Senate and is now leading our law enforcement wow Wikipedia lists David Duke's political affiliation as American Nazi Party before 1975 I don't know if that's true maybe that's not fair I don't know anyway ran for

president that didn't work out riveting riveting stuff here reading the Wikipedia article slowly it turns out that he won a special election for a seat in the Louis Louisiana House okay House of Representatives representing Louisiana in 1989 that's fucked up even though it was a special election still real fucked up yeah how long did he serve I can't serve how long did he fuck us I can't imagine it was long so like I said the two men bicker a whole bunch yeah about time stuff and this

clear this is that was so passive aggressive yeah it's crazy that was amazing and it goes on throughout the entire thing that was I want to make a supercut that was like I remember I worked at a God camp when I was 14 for about a month and that was every single dorm after like day four is just like you know it's no big deal you know you should you should stop leaving your sandals in the shower but that's no that's no problem like what those are those are 12 year olds very much you're acting

like 12 year old we'll wait for this next clip oh boy I mean what you even to doesn't really take care of the people to die and don't now I'm able to reproduce or whatever you need 2.1 our people meet you give me my 10 minutes please so David Duke is trying to talk about birth rates why would you even say 2.1 well David Duke's trying to talk about birth rates and to be fair Alex is interjecting trying to be helpful and David Duke's just like

fuck you give me my time you asshole I love that don't you dare interrupt me don't you dare interrupt me so here's the the next one where they're bickering more about time do we have really a fair playing field in this country when the same media that promotes the Jewish state of Israel is doing everything they can to destroy European Americans being majority and and really preserving our European American okay listen that's that's 10 minutes and I talked for seven

earlier coming up the next hour I can't skip any more of these breaks which I've been doing and so we're gonna have to go a couple minutes here couple minutes there take some phone calls do some stuff like that and I'm not criticizing you here but the little debate tactic of constantly implying I'm not letting you talk you've talked more than I have this hour unless you count the ads as my time and that's not my time those are ads on radio so you're you're being able to make your points you're not being censored you're not being stopped and so that's not a fair

debating tactic to keep implying you're getting cut off not trying to be negative here I'm trying to be nice more time in a Riley that's for sure sure exactly well there's always this criticism that I'm cutting people off the truth is I let guests talk more than other shows I might kind of rudely interject because I get excited and want to say something I'm not polished I don't want to be polished certainly not polished certainly not polished wow I love it I love it why do you say why do you say European American

well like I said it's because why go back to go back to Europe but if you say what is that what you want it's just PR spin yeah it's just it's just masking the white element of it European Americans yeah yeah white people yeah white right God why you know what it is you know why do you get to fucking quote Orwell and not get new speak right how do you not fucking get there's something to that main part mm-hmm the main part is making language mean fucking nothing yeah that's that's a part of it that was the trick that

Orwell was really talking about there is that once language has no fucking meaning you can say whatever you want true you can say whatever you want and people will believe you yep there's no there's no like like this just repeating on TV these GOP fucks who are just like oh it's gonna cover more people what are you fucking you can't say that God is my God is my role model yeah you can't say that you can't like how is it how is it that like and his media criticisms are so fucking stupid yeah when they're geared towards letting these people lie directly to our fucking faces and this show I mean Alex Jones a show is

largely about people being lied to so the whole thing business model is lying to an audience yeah that's that yeah so but then also the thing that I really dislike about that clip what I don't dislike is them being petty as fuck about time that's so much that's fun but the thing that is is awful is that David Duke one of the points that he's trying to make is that whites will no longer be a majority and that's really scary to him and there's an idea that white people are supposed to be the majority in our home country home country right yes our European Americans our home country well I mean sure I'm sure he would say the same

things about tons of countries in Europe he does even say about like Sweden various other countries that have Germanic stock alright so how about African Americans this is their home country it's everyone's home country yeah I mean native kind of our stated objective I mean natives you have a long road to hoe to get them to be a majority yeah I mean that the charm and the wonder of America really it should be that there never should be a majority yeah they're all it should be everyone is a minority and we're all cool with it that's kind of the big that's the big dream of the United States well that's a

nightmare to David Duke of course and what does he think why do you think like because it's a Jewish plot right but why are you so afraid of not being the majority anymore because I think he thinks that once we become the majority then everyone's gonna get payback for all the shit we've got that's the real fear the real fear of white nationalist is we're gonna get what's coming to us well I think that that's not true I think that's not we know but I think that's us projecting our minds into white nationalists I think that has to be the subconscious here I would argue that maybe it's not fear that motivates

primarily it's we need the majority so we can kick their ass in case we need to I think they might have a more proactive angry approach to it whereas we have a we did a lot of bad shit in the past kind of approach yeah but fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate and hate leads to dark no they are totally afraid yeah absolutely they're that it has to it has to be that like there has to be a subconscious awareness because why else would you insist endlessly that white people have never done anything wrong and that racism is purely a function of the Jews controlling well or no plot to do all of this shit David Duke would say

that white people have done wrong things in the past but the white people that have done wrong things are dead no no they were gentile collaborators with the Jewish power do you mean like globalist collaborators I would yeah I guess so it's the same fucking shit yeah it's absolutely the same thing but that's but there has to be that subconscious knowledge which is why they insist so endlessly that there isn't anything that we should be blamed for right that there is so that year of losing the majority has to be purely because they think violence is going to be visit upon them and that means that they think it's

revenge and that means that if it's revenge they are aware that there's shit to be revenge upon course they're aware there's shit to be revenge upon Alex talks all the time about how he doesn't want to be made to feel guilt by people expressing their life exactly you know like yeah I don't want to hear black people stand up for themselves making me feel guilty yeah I don't want gays being out in public make me feel guilty and weird that's just guilt because of an awareness of past wrongs right so this next clip Jordan I have a very conflicted feelings about this next clip and here's why I don't think that it's

ever necessarily wrong to be rude to David Duke but Alex Jones is pretty rude in this next clip and I think it's inappropriate now punch Richard Spencer punch David Duke everybody gets one I think it's wrong because of the host guest dynamic and you know even if it's David Duke he's still a guest on your show okay and he doesn't deserve this kind of rudeness based on how he's treated Alex in the interview alright now here is here is the game here I'm gonna listen to the level of rudeness and I will measure it against what I think would possibly be my level of rudeness to David do I think you know so I understand Dan that you

think this is rude within the host guest scenario alright now let's just put it into my situation alright here we go David Duke the PhD in history and former grand wizard or you fucking know and Cyclops I'm sorry I just I think that's so funny David Duke I'm gonna give you the floor here for the next four or five minutes we're gonna break come back into a whole bunch of questions other issues you want to cover where you think the world's going the economy but explain to me and I mean this seriously where did all this dragon goblin Cyclops stuff come from and were you a goblin Cyclops before you were a dragon no never was a goblin

never was a Cyclops I think that's a little rude what are you fucking talking about it's a little rude what are you fucking talking he's trying to mock him because of the names of KKK positions yeah do you know that was the point of the Superman radio serial in the 50s right but look I would I would mock him to his fucking face I I get I get that I believe though Dan you were the grand dragon of the KKK I was not tell me how were your scales did you have those surgically implanted or you're talking literal dragon yeah let me ask you a question is your belly the weak spot should I if I were to shoot an arrow

into because if we're going by a like and first of all let's start at the beginning what type of dragon would you consider yourself to be are we talking about a Lord of the Rings dragon a Tolkien dragon you're about you're about to learn about Firebrand are we talking about a Japanese dragon or a Chinese dragon are there wings there are we talking about a perhaps gargoyle situation David Duke grand dragon what type of dragon are you honestly I think that's less rude I think that's a little less rude than what Alex said I mean look I'm not here to stand up for David Duke or tell you that he deserves better

treatment than that no but it is kind of like if you have someone on your show that you've clearly made concessions for like he's clearly been like okay you get five minutes I get five minutes will set an arrangement that is clearly unpleasant to me as a broadcaster because I want you on my show that badly right it seems like the wrong kind of thing to do to you know be reductive and insulting about right something game because they've already talked about this a little bit I cut it out but right he talked about how like yeah I was in the KKK when I was younger and I realized that the organization I couldn't control

the actions of all the other members of it so I decided to go and do something that I could be in complete control of and he does renounce the idea that you know like lynchings and stuff like that which is great I'm glad he renounced good on you I would pull up my computer and I would be like David Duke I'm gonna show you something I want you to rate this on a scale of how often you jerk off to it and it would purely be black cock porn that's all I would show him for it the entire interview I'd be good and he'd be like he's got to walk away and it'd be like no no no we agreed to this beforehand you know what I

would do here would be my angle what was your angle I would pretend that he was a grand drag on and he was a rapper from the Rough Riders crew he was a much forgotten rapper from the Rough Riders crew I can't remember any drag on songs Duke that's too bad Mr. David Duke do you know if X go and give it to you X is gonna give it to you Mr. Duke first you stop and you drop and then if I if I'm correct you shut them down open up shop there we go oh no that's a rough that's a rough riders role so this next clip fuck David Duke I hope you guys we've been talking a lot a bit about the the various things that are clear

points of agreement between Alex Jones and David Duke and here comes another one that we both are gonna disagree with Americans always respected and loved Robert E. Lee today he's being called a traitor he wasn't a traitor he's a traitor than Thomas Jefferson was a traitor George Washington was a traitor and the attack on Southern heritage is nothing more than an attack on entire European heritage because now they're talking about taking down statues of Thomas Jefferson who gave us our rights they talk about taking George Washington's name off public schools they did that in New Orleans saying that he was unworthy

because he had slaves well half of the great heroes of the entire third world were slaveholders including an awful lot of Jewish heroes were slaveholders just read about Jewish history the hypocrisy is unbelievable in this country well that's certainly true let me interject this okay I'll interject but this hour we're going into discussion so there's some more bickering about time there in this hour we're going to discussion was there any previous discussion about that no in this hour go fuck yourself we're gonna talk I didn't take the clip of this but there's a really funny point when they're about to go

on calls and David Duke is like yeah we could take calls and then maybe each of us gets a minute to respond we put it on the timer and Alex is like I we're just gonna talk I don't I don't care yeah he's like you do he's like I don't want to fight about this like Alex is getting super flustered because like right there that fits perfectly into Alex's entire they're trying to ban the Confederate flag the Confederacy was actually not that bad the Civil War wasn't about slavery narratives right they match up perfectly on that too and Alex at this point is getting incredibly flustered by the fact that like shit this guy has more information

than me he sounds smarter than me he's well way more put together than me he is dancing circles around me making the same arguments as me but just saying that it's Jews and I don't really have a good argument to come back against that with right I do me personally Dan I do I could go against I would never debate David Duke though never never I would scream in his face yeah and show him cock porn that's what I would do I would talk about I would show him endless cuckold porn how this is this is something I'm becoming more and more convinced of the worst thing that the North did was go to war with the South if they had just let

them secede it would have been a failed state so fast yeah probably now the problem there is of course more people would have been in slavery for a much longer time so it's true I don't I don't know but this idea that Robert E. Lee was an American hero is so fucking stupid well it's the same thing that Trump's pulling with Andrew Jackson now but I was a great president and no one in the Civil War was an American hero there were no heroes in a war where the most Americans died mm-hmm that's not a hero situation no I would agree with that yeah I don't know that was a tragedy yeah that was that was the fucking Iliad

all over again there was no there's no good team I was yeah go back go back through the Iliad in your mind real quick Patroclus was pretty cool who you got huh I mean Ajax was cool there there's some good dudes among the the Greeks yeah but then fighting a war but then Hector was a pretty awesome dude too yeah he just happened to be on the side of Troy they were at the whim of the gods and forced to fight each other in a war that neither really wanted to be fighting but had to yeah in the same way that Alex thinks the globalists forced us into the Civil War quite frankly have we considered the possibility that there

are that the Greek Pantheon still controls us I what if the Greeks nailed it I've thought about it I've thought about it constantly I mean it would make sense well how nothing makes sense yeah exactly because there are warring factions of gods that are just using us for entertainment right that was that to me makes the most sense the gods are immortal what would you do if you were mortal lay low eventually eventually you'd get bored right there's only so much you can do that was the Greek Pantheon they were just fucking bored and they made they made people fight for their amusement like that's the only thing that makes sense

of the world we live in some kind of monotheistic situation where God knows everything and is everywhere and is controlling everything makes it seem like there's one dude who is just the biggest fucking dick yeah where if you're dealing with the gods it's just like they got nothing else to do and they're petty yeah you know they have human characteristics exactly um yeah I don't know I don't think we're gonna get to the bottom of that let's let's get to the bottom of this I am putting out a bounty okay for ten thousand dollars if you have any information I do not have any give us a picture it'll be as real as the picture

of cows with tits so this next clip Alex is trying to rebuff the idea that it's Jewish supremacy that is the problem with the world it's actually globalists and so he brings globalists have no race right so he brings up John P. Holdren the book Ecoscience that we discussed on a past episode he brings it up to lie about how it's about putting stuff in the water of course and he wants to ask David Duke are these Jews and those yeah those people were white yeah so here here's that it's it's fine David people can go to DavidDuke.com and see your videos and your talking points and you know things you talk about and I've heard

most of this from other people of your ilk I'm really trying to understand though your world view on things and where where you see things going before we go any further I have a book here written by Paul R. Erlich and H. Erlich John P. Holdren and I think those folks are Gentiles one of them's the White House Science are population resources environment they talk about putting fluoride in the water to reduce fertility of everybody and to reduce IQ and I guess you might think I'm a conspiracy theorist for talking about that I do because that's not what they talk about in the book we went over that in great

detail and it's fun I cut it out because it's way too long but David Duke's responses no those are Jews oh that was this response and Alex has nothing just just those were Jews yeah and Alex can't respond to that he should have looked up whether or not they were Jews that would have been a very simple response well David Duke is like the Erlich's those are Jewish people I don't know about John Holdren and so at that point the because Alex doesn't rebut it or have any information that's the fact that stands on the show how does Alex is losing every single point that is being like he keeps giving softball serves

yeah thinking he's spiking right it's insane he's he's doing a terrible job and letting basically a white supremacist anti-semite convert people who listen to Alex Jones to his cause even plugged his fucking website but he did it dismissively yeah but still but the dismissiveness was because you can see it in his face there's a lot of visual stuff in this he's defeated Alex Jones is like right you can see he's just like oh no he knows what's happening as it's happening yeah and because earlier in the in the episode David Duke said I'll stay I'll stay with you for an hour I'll stay Alex can't kick him off the air

without being like I don't I want out of this yeah so he's stuck yeah it's it's insane the only way the only way Alex wins is if he gets really really angry and kicks him off the show and he can't do that because he's just making the same arguments that Alex does but saying Jew yep so here's Alex's summation of the summation of the interview so far I love maybe the like the reason he is such a bad interviewer is because if you come on his show no no no no I gotta stop you I gotta stop you it's because he doesn't know anything that's what I'm saying if you come on a show you're prepared yeah if you're Alex Jones you're like I got this

fly by with a seat in my pants I don't need to do any research I'm teleprompter free exactly anything exactly I just yell and people love it yeah whereas David Duke is used to being attacked for everything he says and so while he's wrong and citing things like Joel Stein is a like a serious columnist right you know using that as a kind of like example of the kind of things he cites he still has information and he still has like I can defend myself against attacks yeah I'm ready anyway this next clip is really funny because Alex sums up how he feels about the interview so far and David Duke is right there he's on the phone but

Alex Jones uses an expression I use very frequently I'd give this interview a B right now and you know maybe I'm not doing the best job myself but I just don't want to get stuck on petty stuff I'm having I'm trying to have a real thought provoking discussion and debate with you let me ask you this question looking out into the future where do you see the world in 10 2030 years if these forces you say that are running things are successful versus the type of world that you as a leader would like to see because it's true that what they call anti-Semitism is on the rise worldwide so there's a real or fucking helping Alex well that's that

that's one thing that's really important first he says what is called anti-Semitism which is slightly dismissive but then second he knows that there is a rising tide of white supremacy and anti-Semitism that is growing in the world he can't feign ignorance in the same way that we found that clip where he talks about knowing that Trump is mob connected in 2015 now we have evidence in 2015 that he's keenly aware that there is a growth that's happening in bigot communities even though he insists that the racism is still directed towards white people well he would maybe say that I mean he does the globalists are influencing and

it's a false flag and the big rising tide of anti-Semitism is just to hide the fact that they're dividing us and conquering right and the anti-Semitism and bigotry is really just a like a response and white people foolishly falling for globalist tricks or something like that it's all stupid fucking but god damn it literally every single time someone asks me how something's going I give it a B that's literally my dismissive answer when I don't want to talk about stuff so Alex being like I give this interview I love me too my man I give it a B I would not give it a B I would rate this far lower Alex yeah this is Alex your

performance very much a D this is a gentleman's D yeah yeah yeah I wouldn't even give you a 30 70 grade they might get a non-complete yeah you didn't finish the assignment so in this next clip like I've been saying they are very similar in terms of their philosophies David Duke is going to say some stuff and really just imagine that he's saying globalist instead of Jews I think it makes things pretty clear that the real problem we have is not the ISIS threat we wouldn't even have the ISIS threat except the fact that organized Jews were the appointment for the propaganda and the direct organizations and the control of

the critical political process that literally opened our borders how much does that sound like Alex like especially that last part yep that's literally stuff that he would say yeah the globalists have opened our borders they've left us open to attack ISIS isn't really a problem it's the globalist have done this to us right it's literally the same shit he says it's nuts I don't man David Duke really hates Jews a lot how do you hate what like I love it I love that line Jews stick together and it's like yeah because of you yeah they have been under attack for all the time yeah history is shown they might

need to help each other so but the other thing I want to make clear is that David Duke tries to also play this game where he's like not all Jews are bad but all just been propagandized and all Jewish organizations are Jewish supremacist organizations all the banks are run by Jewish supremacists all of the every I mean essentially it comes down to every liberal leaning organization of course has Jewish supremacy at its core which is what Alex would say about globalists all liberal organizations are basically just globalist I didn't know the it's so I I try my best to avoid these people very hard right because of

perhaps the response that you guys have seen yeah you're fluctuating between extreme anger and just staring at me I'm not doing great no you're not giving me I give you a beat all right you get one point again for that yes all right you're back to zero oh man I just how how can you think that I don't know I can't I've never ever experienced or even like read any kind of Jewish Jewish supremacist things except in the imagination of these fucking assholes well I think he has to has he denied the Holocaust because it seems like he's Alex or David do David Duke seems like he's on that he's in the intellectual Holocaust denial

tip like there were no gas chambers not six million were killed and why don't we talk about all the other people who were killed that sort of thing that's sort of his camp right I mean still Holocaust denial but it's not like it didn't happen yeah like what it like what like 18 million Russians yeah something along those lines yeah Hitler was bad but why do we got to talk about the Jews all the time no proof of those gas chambers none on fucking believable yeah how do you become such a monster I think that you grow up in a very bad environment join the KKK when you're 18 he said he joined really young joining the clan if

if you're in a situation where joining the clan is a possibility a viable option that means you're not in a great place to begin with that's true so that sort of environment breeds a certain type of mindset and then I would say that although David Duke is high functioning he's still not really all that smart no and in the same way that Alex doesn't understand the things he reads thinks that John Holdren's textbook is advocating for putting stuff in the water right David Duke has probably read a bunch of histories and thought that there was something nefarious in it when there wasn't so I think that that's probably a

combination of those things that's such a terrifying argument that that product of your environment situation yeah like that is such a terrifying thing because that that forces you to look at yourself and think what would I do there but the grace of God right why would that would that could that be me so much as it like and I I I think I have a better case for saying that I would be against it because I already grew up in a cult right so I've got a I've got very much I already got out of that one but it's it's entirely possible that that could be fucking any one of us except for a black person because they're not

gonna become a grand dragon in the KKK no but you can make the order to you they could end up in some sort of like militant black nationalist group yeah there are there are certainly those groups out there of course I don't know and I would rather join them sure I think that it's a complicated equation because I don't think anything is strictly nature nurture yeah I don't I don't think so I don't think you can just be born David Duke you can be born with the potential to be David Duke yeah the surroundings that could lead to a David Duke yeah but then you got a you got to do a lot of that work on your

own yeah you have to be a certain kind of stupid yeah a certain kind of like crafty stupid yeah as opposed to any kind of actual intelligence it is a base cunning you know would be fascinating to me because I would never do this and I'm not going to join the KKK yep you got it no I no matter how much people donated to the show I would never do this so don't even suggest it okay but David Duke has his own radio show and I bet if we listen to it as much as we listen to Alex we would find that it is as a 10 year old he was trapped under a house inhaling termite fumes I guarantee if he's as loose with his

language on his radio show as he would reveal some sort of thing from his past that makes everything make sense yeah I think that there's probably something like that he has some sort of brain damage to frankly when Alex gets taken down we're just going to go on like not David Duke I couldn't listen to him for more than I already have yeah I was going to say now that I think about it I am this close to quitting the show in the middle of this we've only got a little bit left to go and then we'll never have to deal with him ever okay alright but yeah look I mean his name is fucking David Alex brings that up

not get that Alex brings that up and his responses I can't I didn't choose what my name was my parents name me I'll change it that is an option you fucking piece of garbage you fucking pile of shit David Duke so you yeah but I'm still lost and thought about what we would do if Alex gets taken down I mean there's no watch cuckold porn okay there's still years of his show we can go through so we're at no loss for this we just take a hard pivot to reviewing porn I give it a B yeah I give it a B for but holes yeah so in this next clip Alex Jones who says something that I very strongly disagree with well we're not stand as clear I'm

against the Talitarianism fascism communism socialism political correct is a clear and present tyranny and 50 times the threat to liberty of some of the more modern white based fascist movements in this country no and it's taking over and it is bizarre how flamingly corrupt it is you will not say boy and girl you will do as we say I mean this is like being in a super Jim Jones cult or something so this clip isn't done but I want to butt in here because Alex is very wrong white based fascist organizations are an incredibly serious threat right now and if he wants to make the argument that by far the number one perpetrator of

terrorism yep and if you want to make the argument that PC stuff is a problem and like you're saying about 1984 the idea of making language meaningless there's an interesting argument to be had there but Alex's examples that he brings up are always lies and this one is that same lie about you can't say boy or girl you have to say purple penguins yeah this is that story out of Nebraska right where it's just a there was a organization that suggested to teachers that if you're going to be arbitrarily calling groups of children don't gender the terms you use right because you never know you could offend somebody and doesn't say he tries

to present it like they're outlawing boys and girls yeah that's not the truth of it at all so he's basing his letting white fascist groups off the hook because how much scarier PC culture is on lies about this ascent of PC culture right it's fucking stupid and very dangerous and it just gets crazier and more victory alec and more dumb down and more arrogant and you can see as the left finally reaches their goals that they are revealing that they do want a great tyranny in this country huh but I see the people that obsess over who runs things only obsessing over that never about taking our country and our world back

David Dukes our guest and you know that's the I'm sitting here talking to him and it's just surreal because he's a smart guy and he's sitting there agreeing where we can agree on things and disagreeing on others but it's kind of it's kind of giving me a headache and you know why it's giving him a headache he's he's fucked yeah he yeah he can see it he's giving he's getting a headache because he's like oh god damn it oh no I've been I've been defeated by somebody with more base cunning than I have yeah and I that was I think that right there is something that I at the very least haven't heard up until this point

in this context what do you mean that that idea of people are talking about who owns things or who runs things as opposed to taking our country back yeah which to me is that especially at this time that we're covering this that to me is like the moment Trump starts saying we're gonna take the country back yeah that is the where they dovetail together that could be it could be because I mean that definitely seems like it would be a strong motivator I so you brought up political correctness I didn't Alex did I mean in the context of Orwell and whether or not there's an interesting argument to be

made there and I would actually go in a different direction okay I think one of the big things that political correctness does is try and accurately define what a word means like because of that additional connotation to so many words like tranny mm-hmm like what your what your base definition of tranny is is if you're a good person or or if you're a cars transmission or yeah or yeah yeah or if you're just like you know unaware person who's using the word without malice like like I did right right to you it just means this person right but if you are one of the many people who have really really hurt

transgender people you use the word tranny and to you yes it means transgender person right but what it means is victim in human somebody who I am going to yeah and human yeah so when you're defining so when you talk about political correctness you're really just adding the connotation to the word and adding that into the definition I agree with that I don't disagree with that at all yeah but I think the I was the way I was approaching it is more the idea of what the other side would say and like they're the present the premise of the other side I can see that then there is a when I say there's a discussion to be had I

more mean that like that's something I'd entertain oh yeah yeah as far as the communication as far as a yeah yeah I get you if there were someone trying to make that argument we could have that conversation right I wouldn't agree with them but I'm not going to be like fuck you you're an idiot right anything like that I wouldn't even say that to most people I strongly do if I were talking I wouldn't say that to his face until I would I'd record it secretly played on this podcast and then we can laugh about how much of an idiot he was in person I'd be very polite I would I I don't know I don't know if I have if I genuinely

have the balls to do what I say I would do probably not like in like in Alex's I don't know man I'm very angry yeah but you'd need to be worked up into a frenzy probably do you not know how easy that is I've noticed there is such a there's such a low bar too frenzy and then also a low bar to get away from friends three grams of coffee and a little bit of Duke and it's it's over so this next clip I got to start taking brain force you got to mellow you out in this next clip David Duke very literally makes an argument that Alex will use in the future and it is just another complete mirroring of the two

men European Americans and European Canadians and European Europeans white people are literally being genocide the real threat there's no threat to the yellow people the Chinese people there's 1.3 billion of them this could be 1.3 billion Africans it's more than Europeans in the world while Europe and America and white countries are being declined and I'm telling you there it's not supremacism it's not racism and hatred to defend yourself from predators and it as you said earlier in the show if a tribe is being attacked by another tribe and that tribe wants to you know kidnap all the women rape all the women

kill the kids take over with them into slavery whatever that that tribe has the moral right to defend themselves and that's what I'm talking about here our people are facing real genocide we're facing loss of our own countries and most Americans most Americans watching this broadcast right now I'm absolutely sure you're going to have to figure out whether you agree or not I don't you know that this the country of our forefathers is being totally rotted out you know that we're losing our heritage our values our traditions you go into the stores you go into the communities of our society you don't

even look like you belong anymore you go in with spares of hatred against you I would posit that maybe you get stares of hatred because you're a very famous bigot yeah maybe maybe publicly people look at you with hatred because of the things you said and embodied but all that is just that's fucking Alex right there that is word for word what Alex has said the argument about even Alex hasn't even couched it behind European Americans he's just said white people the argument about tribes and like if a neighboring tribe is coming in you got to kill him that sort of stuff he's made that argument very literally and then

all this stuff about the this country is not like our forefathers country yeah it's not our heritage he Alex uses terms like birthright and providence and stuff like that in it it's just synonymous it's they're making the same points the same vision the same arguments with the only caveat between them being what do we call the bad guys yeah it's it's so it's so amazing to me this idea that they want to own America's values like that's that's what I see so often with all of these people it's always it's not our values the America's values which is such a like regard and that's that's the thing to

me that is the that is America regardless of our history which has been nightmarish it's too often yeah the values were there from the beginning that that value even if it was not applied at the beginning which it most certainly was not a chance but that I that value of all men are created equal mm-hmm that's America's value and our rights are intrinsic they aren't given by the government exactly we all deserve dignity and life liberty in the pursuit of happiness though all those things are really great ideals that is that's yeah that's the value yeah and that's why so many people have that's

why America has been for so long that kind of beacon of like I'm going to go to America because I've been oppressed here yeah because I think America is where I finally I'm gonna get a fair shake it's because of that value yeah now the heritage our heritage is fuck over everybody mm-hmm that might be true but the idea that they get to control our values or at least they get to fucking talk about they seem to have ownership of that space as they say in the business world yeah it's it's really fucked up and I mean by this point Alex his headache is probably getting worse mm-hmm you can see him just being flustered and being

like I do I do recognize those words as things I'm going to say in the near future yeah it's it's insane I love what you're talking about I hate the way you say it but I love I love what you're saying I will probably disavow that I agree with anything you say I will say right David Duke he's a bigot even though I'm going to say word for word and that is word for word now you need to put the mic down for this one because at this point Alex asks David Duke straight up would the world be a better place no without Jews no do not play this clip it's it's it's unique you need to you need to get down we've already said that

let me ask another question that goes from phone calls here look humans have acted the same in every society are you saying all these problems wouldn't be here if Jews never existed I think I think absolutely these problems wouldn't be here except for the fact not because they existed but because we let them take over but they didn't do it openly they didn't say look we're Jews and we're going to control your society they did it by deceit and even an intelligent man if he somebody slips poison in his food he can be killed and that's exactly what they did with us that's terrible that is just terrible it's absurd that Alex is

letting him say these things on the show so I mean you can pick the mic back up now sorry oh boy silent treatment I'm trying yeah that's trying real hard that's pretty crazy I'm trying real hard here I mean to be fair he's not advocating for killing all Jews or anything like that but he is saying that our problems would not exist that's the narrative if they all Jews are deceitful and tricksters and their their merchants well they're they're that they're that whole money lenders yeah exactly in implied inside that statement that he's making there is a sense of inevitability that they will try and lie to us to take over yeah and

so even though he's saying I'm not saying that the world would be better place if Jews weren't around I'm saying that inevitably they're gonna get sneaky and so yeah obviously they shouldn't be around yeah and that's really really really bad and the fact that Alex is white people are just shining beacons of totally never lied never and no deceitful white person has ever lied and colluded with a foreign power to take over yikes they're taking over our country news breaking probably as we record this podcast yeah so the thing is like Alex like I said earlier I'm not sure if it's wrong to have David Duke

on your show I don't know it is very wrong to allow him to say stuff like that and not challenge it and not be competent in your rebuttal and Alex is not he is absolutely not he allows out David to get away with saying these things and if you want any kind of estimation of how bad Alex is losing listen to this they end up taking calls this is the first caller that calls in David Duke is defending himself a little bit and then they take the first call and yeah let's see I don't say I've never said we should go out and start killing black people or anything like that like nation events as when I said

so that's just not really okay I think so listen it's a simplification I'm saying I'm saying Lewis fair con says a lot of the same stuff you say well he says some things I agree and I agree with any black person that wants to preserve their own heritage I will come on overdrive I'm willing to spend whatever time we have a lot more to discuss so let's let's do it I'm ready to go well we got to go to these calls and I've got meetings and I got to run this place and nightly news so I want you to go I want you to go real bad single call let me let me take some calls yeah let's go to Deutschland David Duke let's

talk to Eric from Germany via Skype you're on the air with David Duke go ahead hi well it's a really interesting conversation and dialogue between these two it's been fascinating in the past year population 330 million took on about a hundred thousand illegal immigrants from America this year said that Germany population of 80 million can take on 400,000 people from North Africa and the Middle East I'm wondering what Dr. Duke thinks about this and I'm also would love to hear his opinion about Vladimir Putin and lastly Alex I love you man I listen to you every day I ran about being anti-political correctness

I hate political correctness but the past hour and a half you've been super politically correct and so I just wanted to say that read well look I appreciate Alex Jones having having me on and and I really do and it was it took a courageous act on his part the power balance has entirely flipped yep his own callers are turning on him in favor of David Duke because he hasn't out and out said white supremacist things well Alex can't defend like he can't stand up in this argument because it's abundantly clear that the only line of demarcation between them is that David Duke is willing to say what he means

and Alex isn't right Alex Alex still has to imply it Alex is too caught up in dog whistly language that this caller is interpreting as PC right and I don't know maybe it is maybe it's not but I think that is their definition of PC now possibly for real they are well you can see it with with fucking Trump the real supporters are out and out I want you to say white people are better yeah well I mean part of Trump's whole campaign was yelling about they won't say radical Islamic terror yeah say the words yeah say the words right and you know that's not stop being politically correct and saying things like terrorists or you

know people who we've murdered their families it's not great and you can see in that clip like I said the power balance is flipped and the caller the way he presents things first of all that becomes Alex Jones is like it's a straight mirror of his narrative yeah that all of these invading immigrants are taking places in our in our civilizations they shouldn't have so the caller is mirroring and ahead of Alex's narrative a little bit and David is so magnanimous yeah he's so like listen I am so grateful to Alex yeah I am so happy that Alex would do that that's his way of fucking him out yeah which is very much

like I'm glad Alex let me come on a show and beat him like a bitch yeah I've completely destroyed you on your own show yeah there's a nice little pat on the back yeah exactly you're a good boy yeah so at this point I don't have any more clips of what happens because it's a mess but Alex tries a different approach because he has failed so right I give him a B he has a Jewish employee oh no so he brings him out god damn it if this Jewish employee is like I like what David Duke is saying I'm gonna be real mad no but I think Alex thinks that like David Duke is literally afraid of Jews because he brings him out to make

some points about Jekyll Island and about the Federal Reserve Bank and stuff like that the big point that he tries to make is that like not all the people who met at Jekyll Island were Jews people who ran all the big six banks weren't necessarily all Jews and it's not a successful line of argument that you can see that Alex is like I can't win this I'm going to bring in hired help yeah and so he tries to get and he brings in yet another unprepared person who actually does a better job at least saying facts than Alex does but he still ends up looking like a fool because you can't you can't spar with

David Duke and come out looking good it's not it doesn't work he brings you down to whatever level he's in and if you already agree in principle with the things he's saying you can't win at all and you don't want to win no so how is it so that's one of the things that I I think about when we talk about like Jakari Jackson or this guy like how do you not get that he's a massive bigot like is it just like is it a gig is it just like is it like a pterodactyl and in fucking the Flintstones or like it's a living like what it what is that I think a part of it might be pretty strong contracts I think you might sign a two-year contract or

that that's very difficult to get out of I think also people I notice a trend of very young people Owen Shroyer is like and it was in his early 20s when he started right Leanne McAdoo can't be much older than that when she started Rob do actually Rob do looks much younger than he is he was in his 30s David Knight's just an idiot Jakari Jackson was under 30 I think that people think that there's an opportunity to be had here and we're doing journalism so they sign a contract get in realize fuck this is completely ruined my chances yeah there's no way I could get a job anywhere else yeah and maybe they just

assimilate a little bit you know how whenever you're at a job that you're doing and there's a lot of negative things about it you just kind of acclimate to it and you're like man look like the bird right living right eventually you start to like blind yourself to all the shit that you don't like right or just just filter it out or you go native I think some people start to I mean Alex is for all his problems which are many he is pretty are infinite he is funny sometimes and I bet off air there's moments when he's pretty nice and if you're a young journalist a young aspiring journalist it probably

would feel pretty good to have his approval maybe yeah there are I mean you can my theory is that you can't you can't turn a media operation you can't create something like that without having some sort of charismatic pull with people right and I'm sure Alex knows how to manipulate people pretty decently well immediately following the crash in 2007 as we all know is very tough for young people to find jobs sure and I mean you're fresh out of college you got a lot of college loans to pay you see this info wars gig you don't really know too much about it and you're like hey man I gotta get work this is open well because

of course it's open but you're also I mean we're we both are discounting the fact that a lot of people do believe what Alex says and don't think that it's bigoted because he pays lip service to we all bleed red blood right that sort of stuff not taking into account how his actions are very different and how he covers things are very different like if there was criticism of an all black sorority he never would have said the sort of stuff that he said right he wouldn't care that wouldn't be on his radar he's talking about it because it's defending white people yeah that's perfectly encapsulation of how his

coverage works yeah but if you're already on board with the info war you might not see that you might just be like oh yeah it's another story about liberals run amok maybe you can trick yourself maybe so Alex loses I mean like how plenty of people trick themselves into believing that the merchant of as Venice isn't filled with anti-semitism sure sure or the Bible I've never read the Bible part parts of it are pretty bad that would be a great book purple I give it a beat I give it a beat so like I said Alex takes a big L in terms of this interview yeah it's not good and it

doesn't get better but I started listening to the episode on August 19th okay just the next day and he has a little bit of a post game where he tries to save a little bit of face and here is Alex describing what happened on the 18th about David Duke now that's some of the news coming up on a dive into Hillary Clinton first but getting back to David Duke who was on the show for two hours or a little more than two hours well you don't count the breaks less than two hours yesterday and I wanted to have a debate slash serious discussion you can't and Duke said he would come on if I was civil and polite nice and he goes on

all the other mainstream shows alternative shows do you mean politically correct you know I want to get him on to illustrate that what he's saying is less incendiary than what Metia LoRaza and racist black groups are saying but that doesn't mean I endorse what he's saying either it kind of does it doesn't in some way I mean even just that sentence that what you're saying is less incendiary than these other groups that's a white supremacist thought it absolutely white people are are not as racist and even our racists aren't as bad as their racist and the fact that he's including like I said LoRaza in there who that are actively an

advocacy group for Hispanic population yeah they are not a hate group they are not a racist group at all they provide legal services and advocacy for a disenfranchised population yeah and the fact that Alex lumps them in with the likes of David Duke is also a very white supremacist thing you betcha so anyway and of course leftist publications are now saying I'm buddies with David Duke today we knew that would be said we expect them to lie like that what I what I came away was this and I wouldn't do it because it's disingenuous what I came away with was I'm terrible at interviewing I'm bad at making points

okay so he says that no oh but I almost did it during the breaks out there when he wasn't on air he looked like a different person and it really was creeping me out nice this little angel eyes sweetie face Alex I just want to help everybody and be nice and why are you cutting me short I want to be friendly you're courageous to have me on Alex but don't cut me short and I'm not going to answer any of your questions or I'm going to spin them say they're in the break pedophile very well he's a pretty scary guy actually I mean I'll hand that to him he's an intimidating looking fellow especially when he wasn't playing Mr.

Cootsie and then I was talking to some business people that are pretty high power here in Austin I'm not going to get into it last night and they were like oh yeah David Dukes in business in Austin Texas and blah blah blah I had no idea how successful this guy is I mean there's a lot more than meets the eye with the eye what David did oh really there why isn't the what does meet the eye is bad enough what meets the eye is real bad yeah and what doesn't meet the eye is he has business interests in Austin yeah seems very irrelevant nobody's like and even at the end of there that indicates like a very unprepared Alex Jones went

into that interview yeah if he didn't realize that David Duke was very successful what does he know that he knows he was a member of the KKK and wizards are funny right well that's about it that's true and because Alex has a large audience of very dumb people he allowed David Duke to be on and lose an argument with him which only makes and his listeners got mad at him for not agreeing with David Duke right if you were taking the temperature like of that interview it's you know you know what wrestlers do they come out and they take a take a survey of the audience no so there's a trick that wrestlers do they'd

come out and they like back in the NWO days there's something to do like Scott Hall would come out and be like how many people here I love the NWO and then you could get a sense of what kind of crowd you were in front of if there are people who were like cheering for the bad guys and that sort of thing if you take a poll basically or take a survey from that episode the only answer that you can really draw is pretty much I don't have the other clips of it but the other callers were fairly similar yeah like they were mostly you two agree about everything yeah why and it's like I hate to see people in the alternative

patriot movement who agree with about everything and disagree about a little bit not getting along right so if you take that as the survey the audience likes David Duke more than they like Alex absolutely which is real bad Jesus but David Duke probably doesn't talk about Chimera's a bunch so Alex keeps his position I don't know now that's that's a powerful man white supremacist and Chimera hater done yeah make him president so why I insisted that we go over this even though I knew it was gonna be bad and you were gonna have a terrible time and I'm sorry that's fine the reason is I mean I hate you I think

that I don't know I don't know how to put this exactly at the beginning of the 17th Alex is still on the I don't really trust Trump right even though he is now attacking the Clintons and that's great he still is literally saying I don't endorse him okay and he's probably going to backstab us all he's still there he has this interview where he gets cucked out on his own show by David Duke and he's forced to I'm telling you don't watch it because it's really long and David Duke says even worse things than we played here but if you do watch it you can watch it on mute and you can watch Alex Jones's face he's having a miserable

time because he's face-to-face with the reality of his beliefs and whether he realizes that or not he internalized something David Duke was one of the first people that came out and really supported Trump I think that there is a subconscious thing that happens possibly that once David Duke starts advocating for Trump and using a lot of the same arguments that he makes on Alex's show in the that we listen to in this episode to support his belief in Trump something resonates with Alex yeah do you not think it's more likely that it's the fact that his listeners seemed very into David Duke maybe that forces Alex to

move further to the right it's possible but if I were Alex which by the way I do mean right in saying that when you get further right you're a white supremacist yes yeah that's how that works really far right is very white the farther right you go you're a white supremacist the more right the more white now no here's why if I were Alex I would rationalize the callers away by saying oh those were just David Duke's fans hmm they knew he was going to be on my show they jammed my lines or something like that it's pretty simple to rationalize that but not if you're but I mean I know he couldn't rationalize it if he were

explaining it to us mm-hmm you know that kind of a thing but I genuinely just in the same way that his sources are callers yeah I think he is pushed by callers true I think whenever a caller comes in well he has to because they're the people who are buying the goddamn pills right but not just that he's a big dumb idiot true like whenever a caller read yeah whatever a caller says you've been very politically correct to Alex yeah Alex I love you but you've been very correct Alex has to push further against that because you just accused Alex of something he hates more than anything else so now he has to prove to be a man

that he's not politically correct right but I think that the way that he can get through that and gets around that is the next day on the 19th him saying behind the scenes David Duke was being a fucking weirdo and he's creepy and he scares me right so he can be like he was being manipulative and I was creeped out I know I'm not I'm not saying I'm saying that masculinity back from that see you're again talking about what he's talking about on his show right I'm talking about Alex the the guy who's running his show right but I still think that he could feel that like I think he could feel the oh I got it back I got it back by making fun

of Duke the next day okay I think so but I'm not sure I do understand what you're saying yeah and you may be right I don't know that hurts you to say didn't it no get myself a point all right you win one zero one nothing so far I was in the hole I don't know man it's really fucked up and when we started this investigation I certainly did not expect that we would run into a fucking two hour interview with David Duke it was not what I was expecting to have to discuss but I really wanted to do this and get it out this week yeah because this has been impeding my investigation it really has needed me to yell at you about David Duke

no you can finish it's just I knew that this was a hurdle we were going to have to get over yeah and it was stopping me from being able to enjoy whatever happens next yeah and it's so fucked up it's so fucked up that anybody with any insight in Alex's position listening to David Duke say the exact same things that he believes but say Jews instead of globalists would have a crisis or would expect that and have a good argument to rebut the things right and Alex seems to be far closer to the prior than the latter but he's not really doing either because he doesn't give up on the globalist narrative we fucking know that

and he didn't defend himself well right I have a question that I'm I'm interested in because David Duke has been on TV shows yeah he's been interviewed plenty of times we know he said he was been on O'Reilly yeah right and even if you are pushing back against him like what what is better is it is it a don't feed the trolls approach where it's like just don't have him on your fucking show I think so because you're not gonna win no like even if you go line by line you fucking idiot this is why you're dumb yeah here is our sources this is every single thing that not only debunks but condemns and destroys all of your

arguments and on top of that you're personally a bad person and I mean that in the sense that you are evil you are immoral you are damaging and hurting other human beings wouldn't help exactly no there's no there's no win there well I mean look at the look at this example from this episode when all you're really doing is giving his thoughts a platform yeah totally which means I think I've genuinely changed my response to the Megan Kelly Alex Jones situation where before we were doing that in our preview episode I was kind of on the side of like well maybe it is a good idea to kind of shed some light on

this monster and let everybody in the world know look at this idiot this is the avatar of the alt right this bumbling chimera believing monster is the real is the real face behind all of these people that we are afraid of because they're violent but look at them they're stupid they're they're fucking pathetic they're jolly yeah they're they're just they're just petulant children that we should just fucking ignore but now you disagree with now I disagree there's no there's no way well I mean if we want we looked at the Megan Kelly interview and that was a shit show yeah but look I agree with you I think that not giving a

platform is the best thing to do probably because you like I was reading an article about this and it made a really good point and it's essentially a situation where respectable people and people with ethics journalistic ethics are not prepared to deal with people like this now because they don't have rules right and they don't abide by any rules right so when Megan Kelly comes and it talks to Alex Jones for example she didn't expect that he would turn it into a whole narrative of his own she didn't expect that he would bluff that he taped the whole thing and start lying about it you know it like Alex Jones didn't care

about the interview itself I mean I think he like we've speculated there's something on that tape he was worried about yeah but he didn't care about the interview as much as he cared about the fact that the interview was done allowed him to create a giant narrative arc and Megan Kelly was making a story Alex Jones was making a story right Alex Jones was making hay out of that right and I think he got way more out of it of course Megan Kelly got ten minutes that were pathetic yeah nobody nobody wanted to see no seventeen minutes or whatever rather watch America's funniest own videos absolutely whereas Alex got weeks

upon weeks of programming that weeks upon weeks of quote unquote proof that mainstream media exactly yeah yeah Alex definitely won that one yeah Alex defeated Megan in the way that David Duke defeated Alex now the same same exact way but the issue with this is like I think that they probably have comparable audiences David Duke and Alex Jones I think they have the same fucking audience there's probably a very interesting very circular Venn diagram of that but it so it yeah jacari Jackson is the only one outside of the Venn diagram yeah so I don't know I don't know if it is a thing we're denying him a platform is really

a relevant concern but I think that the more the better thing that I would say about it the more accurate thing at least is if you let him on your show you stand a chance of losing to him and then you've lost to David Duke on your show yeah it seems unwise because I know that I could I think I could conceivably make better points than David Duke yeah I think I could I would never debate him I would never talk to him the in the same reason that I would never have a serious debate with Alex Jones because they're both slippery they're both due to lie a bunch and if someone if you're in a debate with someone and you have a bunch

of facts and you have your arguments and they throw out some historical fact that's really obscure and probably a lie that you just haven't looked into and make a huge deal out of it you might end up appearing to lose a debate that you just they just lied right like well I mean look at the way our media covers Trump well but like they're unprepared yeah for somebody who doesn't live even within doesn't give us the slightest bounds of society well they can't deal with a president who they intrude like they've been trained to respect the office and they can't deal with somebody who couldn't give less of a shit about

the office doesn't respect his own office couldn't give less of a shit about you doesn't care about the truth doesn't fucking care they don't get that so to them they think okay our job is to cover the president when in reality if you're dealing with somebody like that your only real job is to box them in and force them to abide by your rules and that they can't understand right and I think that there's a chance that you know David Duke wasn't forceful about it but I think that's what he did a little bit on this episode right if any any aware and decently smart observer would see that and see Alex Jones essentially having to

admit that his beliefs have roots and anti-semitism and it means what we've said all along right so here's my here's my thought okay let's better be a closing let's let's war games this better be a fucking closing war let's war games this alright god damn it here is here is my plan if I am if I'm in control of the media here's what we do all of the shit that Trump is doing like we're not allowing cameras into the the press briefing and all that shit yeah stop covering Trump period no no tweets no nothing you only talk to the Senate and the House of Representatives about the health care bill that's an option

that's all you do how long before Trump explodes he has to have attention it'd be pretty quick it would be so quick yeah and he would and that would be that's your only move that's your only that's your only plan of attack against people who cannot help who cannot be held within those bounds your only plan of attack is to take away the one thing that they care about and that is attention for Trump it's just that so what about Alex how do you take away what Alex wants oh you castrated that's or you get rid of that dick or you just constantly tweet at him that him and Gwyneth Paltrow agree about supplements

yeah maybe that maybe that would work hey Alex you know what you're selling you're selling you're selling you're selling goop yeah you're selling like yeah weird some moon dust yeah Alex you're a trendy right you're a oh yeah he is a trendy oh my god you're a bougie liberal elite fucking trendy asshole but just with a different name in the same way that you are a white supremacist exactly yeah so anyway if you want to find our show you can check us out at knowledge fight dot com on Twitter we're at knowledge underscore fight and you find us on itunes or on Facebook we're on Facebook under

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yeah so that's dead but you know what what there's one thing that is not dead what is not dead let me ask you a question yeah if hold on before we do this bit wait wait are you saying we were setting up a bit totally okay I I this wasn't completely natural today I listened to Jason Manzukas's episode of WTF Mark Merritt okay I don't listen to that show regularly right you just pop in and out yeah I haven't listened a long time I didn't realize that the end of WTF Mark Merritt screams boomer lives no shit I didn't know that all right all right now we got to figure something else out the reference that I was going

on with the Rappaport still lives is to a pro skater slash rapper Kareem Campbell he had a song called it was like he did a couple rap songs he was on Tony Hawk's pro skater and is a K to the A to the R to the WEM Kareem still lives okay so there was a reference to that I just realized there's a podcasting reference that I bet a lot of people think is what we're doing and that is not what we're doing wow and I got so scared when I heard that earlier it was like oh no people probably think we're ripping off Marin all right well do you know what our Rappaport is dead exactly that's what we have to do now hashtag Rappaport is dead

Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding so Alex I'm a person caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you