Knowledge Fight - #636: April 27, 2009

Episode Date: January 14, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan dip into the past to look at the ways that Alex's response to the beginning of the 2009 H1N1 outbreak closely mirrored his response to the beginning of Covid. Also, Alex goes on Coast to Coast, and tries to call the White House. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm Mr. Tim Cullen. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back knowledge. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship the author of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. We are Dan. Dan Jordan. Quick question. Forgot your name for a second. That's fine. 2022. Who are you? What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today is I put a new cover art on the show. This is a

image that was sent to us a while back by a guy named Jack K. Not Jack K. The actress. No. Jack K. Yes. Yeah. Set this design. I just I really liked it. And I've been thinking about freshening things up and you know it was our anniversary for the show and brand new world. I thought like it's the timing is perfect. And I figured out what I'd been doing wrong in terms of why our like really old cover art was showing up in like Apple podcast. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's been appearing. I'd size that the image wrong. It turns out. And apparently it was outside of the range of what iTunes. Except so I figured like fuck it. Let's one fell swoop clean. So thanks to Jack that image is really great. And I appreciate that people are really enjoying it. And I love

looking at it as well. Yeah. So many things to find in there. It's really great. Yep. Yep. Some people are very confused by the pink. That's that's a deep cut. It's true. Yeah. We will not explain it. Never. So yeah. What about what about you. My bright spot Dan is I saw the Eternals. OK. I heard that was bad. Garbage. OK. Absolute garbage. Yeah. Really really terrible. But there's one moment in the film where part of the reason is bad is it is incomprehensible. And what's comprehensible incredibly stupid about their backstory. Sure. But they're eternal. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So apparently one of the deviants slowly they're supposed to be this race of monster bad and the Eternals fight them and blah blah blah. You know the whole deal. Right. So one of

them gained sentience. Right. And slowly starts to think and feel and has thoughts after absorbing one of these dudes. All right. So they find out that the God that created them both has really just been like playing ants and pushing them and making them fight this whole time. OK. Right. So the guy that gained sentience is like hey fuck this noise. Let's team up and go after the real guy. We're just pawns in his dumb game. We're the people who are victims here. Both of us you and me. Right. Was that Camille. No no no. OK. Camille was one of the Eternals. OK. So then they brutally murder this guy who had just gained sentience and was 100 percent correct about everything. And also the Eternals more. Yeah. Yeah. No. Every part of this movie is bad because

the only good guy in this movie was murdered immediately by the ostensible by the ostensible good guys. And what it made. But what made it my bright spot though is that in a way I think it was an unintended microcosm of the Marvel machine. You know like the one bright spot that said listen we can break through of this goddamn orthodox storytelling method. This is all made up. We're just fighting for no reason. We got to change the murder. And it's like yeah man you nailed it. I'm glad that you dug deep and found some some meaning in that movie. I did. I did. I've not seen it. So when I say I heard it's bad I'm just basing it off. Don't ever see it. Random tweets. Real bad skimmed past real bad. So Jordan today we have a episode to go over. We're

going to go back into the past not to 2003 but we're going to take a separate journey. OK. Today because I was thinking about it and like I don't want to fucking talk more about the same stupid conspiracy like the covid conspiracies and I don't want to talk about like James O'Keeffe Project Veritas put out a video. I don't care. I don't want to shit. I don't want to hear about it. Yeah. Rand Paul got into a little fight with Fauci again. I don't care. Was he debating me. Then fuck off. Alex is probably going to have a fit. I don't care. So I just was like I had the present day. I got to let it let it simmer for a little bit. You're never going to do better than Monday. The who's the most important person in the world. We can't follow it up. Never. We can't

follow it up. No. No. So I needed to go back to the past on a little bit of an excursion based on some some things that I've stumbled across online. I want to explore some ideas that I had about them. But before we get down to business on all of that let's take a little moment to say thank you and hello to some new walks. So first Candy and Anzis. Thank you so much. You're now Policy Walk. I'm a Policy Walk. Thanks Candy. Thank you. Next I am now the Scout Walk. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Walk. I'm a Policy Walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Kean the Trisexual Ant-Being. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Walk. I'm a Policy Walk. Thanks Kean. Thank you. Next the Common Florida Burb Guy. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy

Walk. I'm a Policy Walk. Thank you very much. And Joshua Kimball who wonders if he ever crossed paths with Dan in the movie theaters of Columbia, Missouri in the mid and late 2000s. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Walk. I'm a Policy Walk. Thank you very much. I would say there's a decent chance I guess. Yeah. Anyway Jordan so look here's the other downside of this episode. I we're recording this on Thursday. Yes indeed. And we just got news that Stewart Rhodes got arrested. Oh yeah. Yeah. That one was kind of big. And boy I'd love to talk about that. Yeah. Instead we're going back to July 23rd 1860. The first time we talked about a Civil War. The first time Stewart Rhodes got arrested. Yeah exactly. I think that Alex's response to this will

be very illuminating, very interesting. And I can't wait to talk about that on Monday. Yeah. And it frustrates me that there's no way for us to do that for this episode. I'm broadcasting from Paraguay for no reason. So I was going back through some of the archives and such of Alex's shows and other things on Info Wars. And one of the things I noticed was there's a bit of a pattern as it relates to how public health crises are covered. And so I noticed a number of things surrounding in particular the end of April in 2009 which is when the H1N1 swine flu pandemic was really getting going and the first cases were identified. Yes. I remember that. And I started to recognize there are some things that would be well worth our time to look at as it relates to

Alex's behavior in the present day and draw some connections. Almost like maybe there's a template. Almost. So I want to start off with a little bit of a comment and that is that I mean in no way to minimize the impact of the 2009 H1N1 outbreak in this episode. I'm not minimizing or belittling it. It was a serious public health event and a lot of people got sick and died. But I think it's very clear from history that it wasn't as severe an event as what we're living through in the present. The point of this episode that I put together today is to look at some of Alex's coverage from the early days of H1N1 or the swine flu outbreak to highlight the ways that his rhetoric was almost identical to the ways he behaved in the early days of the COVID pandemic at the beginning of 2020.

Alex's tone has changed a bit since that point. But it's my contention that he's only had to change his rhetoric because he fucked up. Over the course of this, I'm going to argue that Alex has a method of responding to things like novel outbreaks that has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of the situation, but is actually motivated by the utility that this method has in terms of building and pushing predetermined narratives. These central narratives are the virus is man-made, it's a bio weapon, it was deployed in order to put in martial law, it was deployed in order to make people get vaccines and that the vaccines will be mandated and they're secretly meant to hurt you. In addition to these narratives, I contend that Alex also uses some hallmark techniques in order

to reinforce his narratives and uses set strategies in order to get his message out. Through examining a few broadcasts from 2009, I believe that all this is pretty clearly borne out and I hope that looking at this will be helpful in terms of understanding how meaningless Alex's stories about the present pandemic really are. Earlier I said Alex's narratives about COVID are so convoluted and like all over the map right now because he fucked up and what I mean by that is this. In the past, Alex was able to maximize his outcomes by following basically the same script that he used at the beginning of the COVID outbreak. In these instances, whether it was the avian flu in 2005, Ebola in 2014, or H1N1 in 2009, the public health response was competent and we got lucky,

so the diseases didn't end up causing the sort of social disruption that we've seen in the last few years. That's the sweet spot for someone like Alex to work in. There's a legitimate public health concern that he can spread bullshit about, but the adults working on the actual problems are still able to get their work done to avert any real long-running troubles. Alex gets to fear monger, make a ton of unfounded claims, and then when things die down he can move on to another subject altogether. In fact, because things are being competently handled, he doesn't even really have to make a story like H1N1 the number one story in his rotation every day over and over again. Alex would have had every expectation based on every single time he's done this in the past

that COVID would go the same way, but it didn't and he's stuck. I believe that had things gone poorly in the past in other instances, he would see a similar deterioration of Alex trying to stay, keep his grip on the narrative as things just spiral out of control. I mean, obviously the most important, not most important, but definitely not coincidental thing is that the president that he wanted was in the White House at the time that he did not get what he wanted in a way that made it look like he got what he wanted. Is this irony? It is not irony so much as a self-fulfilling failure prophecy. Is it more a set irony? It could be.

So we're going to start here looking at an episode of Jason Burmes's show, The Info Warrior. Interesting. Jason Burmes back in the fold now. He was, of course, one of the guys who made loose change. Yes. Him and Alex, I guess, became best friends and forever. I honestly think if you look back at some of the earlier times in Info Wars history, like around these 2008, 2009, this stretch of time, Alex owes a lot to Jason Burmes in terms of, first of all, loose change. Second, he was the guy who would fill in for Alex when Alex had no other employees. He was the person who Alex had as another show when there were no other shows on the Info Wars network. Right. So Jason Burmes has the show, The Info Warrior. That's Evening. It's an evening show.

And on this April 27, 2009 episode, Alex is filling in because Jason is running late. And so Alex gets into a little bit of news about the H1N1. So I would ask the Genesis network folks up there, if you get on the line and somebody's not from Mexico or doesn't have family in Mexico or not from San Antonio or other areas where there are outbreaks of this, we would ask folks to call in later, just in the next hour after we get some of these calls from Mexico or areas affected by this new designer virus is exactly what it looks like. So we have a presentation already, like this is days after the first cases are identified in the United States, pretty shortly after the news had broken of the first cases in Mexico. And already this is a

predetermined to be a designed virus that was manufactured. They did this. They put that they cooked this shit up. Yeah. It's formula. It was a reaction. It really was like he didn't even think about it. It was just, it was just like, oh, he doesn't even know how to speak of viruses that aren't designed. Like the idea of, oh, the designer virus, the flu, you know, like, I think a lot of times you could look at any wild born virus or, or, or, you know, disease and you could find something suspicious about it, you know, like you could probably find something that's weird about most diseases that. Well, I mean, viruses are weird in the first place. They're alive, but they're not alive. What does that even fucking mean? You guys are driving me crazy. Sure. But

you could find something to cast suspicion on. And in this case, it's that there are elements of swine, avian and human, uh, flu, right? That make up this, uh, this new novel, uh, condition, but that's not that surprising, especially not now. Well, experts, you know, scientists and researchers who weighed in on it, even at the time, you know, they talk about recombining that happens when, one, like let's say one pig is infected with multiple viruses. The, the, they will trade genetic information and you can end up with, uh, you know, the genetic information of various different flues combining into one. And so that's, that's basically as much as he has for this was designed because there's these, these hallmarks of three different types of flu. It's a, it's a weak argument,

but that's, you know, that's stamped in the, uh, in the narrative immediately instant. And once you know that it's designed, we got to ask yourself some other questions who designed it also is swine flu, a biological weapon, excellent article that is up on prismplanet.com that Bermas is going to be going over. Another one is swine flu, a biological weapon. Again, the printer friendly version of that. Yeah. You just got to stop over printing here, man. I mean, it's he actually, he's reading two headlines, but it's the same article. Has he considered the overhead that comes along with the amount of toner he uses? It's got to be huge. I mean, it's crazy. Yeah. When I was making the buttons that I sent out, it was every time you bought ink, you were like,

what? It was an expense. It was ridiculous. Yes. There's no way that this is okay. No. And he's doing this every day. What are the stacks about? Empty paper. Yeah. And some of them are even like color printed and unreal. You are throwing money away. So it's probably not surprising, but this headline that Alex is reading, uh, suggesting that swine flu could be a biological weapon was written by Paul Joseph Watson. Paul is hip by this point 2009 and seems to be aware that he should probably cover his ass. So this article starts like this. Quote, there are some factors that suggest the swine flu killing people in Mexico may be a biological weapon, but obviously no such conclusion can be drawn at this time. Oh, man. Well done, Paul. Wow.

The lead of Paul's story is that there's no conclusive answer, but wouldn't it be fun to spend the next 12 or so paragraphs heavily insinuating that you don't have a conclusive answer, but you think that the swine flu probably is a biological weapon? That sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah. So the article that Paul has written largely relies on an alleged source who spoke to former regular info wars guest Wayne Madsen. Wayne is one of Alex's old best buddies and he was the guy who broke that story about Hillary Clinton's personal chef being found dead with a note attached to him that said, call Larry Nichols. So you know that this dude is credible as hell. He's the good shit. Yeah. He stopped talking to Alex a little bit after Alex went all in for Trump since Wayne

was a conspiracy lunatic, but probably sense that that was bad for his brand. Wayne source apparently told him that he was, quote, convinced that the current outbreak of a new strain of swine flu in Mexico and some parts of the United States is the result of an introduction of a human engineered pathogen that could result in a widespread global pandemic with potentially catastrophic consequences for domestic and international travel and commerce. Paul plays with the knife's edge, stressing that it's too early to say anything with certainty, but also ends the article with this paragraph, quote, fears that a mass pandemic was being readied as a biological attack have rumbled on in the conspiracy community ever since 9 11.

Investigators point to the highly unusual number of deaths of top microbiologists to suggest that people with knowledge of the program are being eliminated. That's funny. That's a fun since 9 11 conspiracy minded people have said that about every virus since fucking before they threw dead bodies into castles. They were like, Oh, those guys are man made that virus. Well, and I mean, I think, you know, you see, you see historical like, I think that 1918 was prior to 9 11. Yes, absolutely. Yes. That's it. It's a sooner one. There were some people who had theories about that one. I may have gone back a little bit further. Yeah. So I also would like to ask Paul, like what investigators are pointing to this kind of stuff exactly? Like it seems like

it's you. It seems like it's you, Paul. Well, some investigators have said seems like some bullshit. It's being used to freak readers out and make them have fears about this mass pandemic being launched as a biological attack, just like info wars does all the time. It seems like this this end that's justifying whatever insinuations you're making throughout the article is just like, Well, we do this a lot. Yeah, I mean, this is kind of our thing. Don't you understand it's normal for us? What are you going to say info wars don't do you? That's wrong. That's wrong. It's important to understand that a large part of what Alex has been doing over the course of the current pandemic is part of a larger pattern. And seeing the same stuff play out in other periods

in his career can be really helpful in illustrating the exact ways he's full of shit. The reality is he's doing these exact same things that we saw at the beginning of the pandemic here in the past. And he would have been doing exactly the same thing that he's doing now. Then if it weren't for some good luck and better public health response that led to these outbreaks not getting as bad as things have gotten today. Yeah. And we see it like a really concrete example here. Also, it's up to 149 confirmed dead in Mexico. But the numbers we were getting was over 200 Saturday. So they're clearly suppressing those numbers even according to the BBC. It may be difficult to remember this now. But when COVID was just emerging, Alex wasn't a huge denialist about it. He was a

sensationalist. And one of his main narratives in the beginning was that China was suppressing the numbers of dead by gigantic magnitudes. I think it's probably fair to say that there wasn't total transparency with China's reporting. But that has no bearing on how irresponsible and dishonest the kind of reporting Alex did was. This is from March 24, 2020. This coronavirus situation and all these top biological weapons experts and top scientists scanning the virus and saying it's been made. We've got to get ahead of this. And if you notice the virus numbers, maybe we can punch those back up for a moment while we're waiting for the president. The official World Health Organization says 28,000 confirmed while I walked in here a few minutes ago was 24,000.

But the internal Chinese numbers that leaked and were actually published in China by the People's Daily said 24,000 dead yesterday. So what we think they're doing is they're just putting the number of dead as the number of infected. This is part of Alex's early sensationalism, which he employs because it's profitable. And generally, there isn't any real consequence to any of it because public health protocols are handled responsibly. At this point, Alex, at every reason to assume that the 2019 coronavirus would be like all the other health scares he'd sensationalized in the past. And this was the model that he has used to maximize his profits used by having exactly the same way. Right. And within that clip, you already see

multiple elements of this exact same script. The it was made in a lab built by built by the bad guys. And also they are covering up exactly how there's a grander scale of the deaths that they're lying to us about. Yep. All consistent. And the only difference, the only thing that's different is that the person he wanted to be running the country was running the country at cross purposes with the organization that was supposed to be the adults trying to stop all this stuff from happening. It's crazy how that works. It's almost like there's a very simple direct lesson to be learned. I don't think we'll ever do it. Probably not. Nope. So Alex also in the in the present day, one of the things that he would do,

I guess you just do this all the time. Actually, this isn't really a connection between these two instances of public health things. It's kind of a consistent pattern and that is misuse sources. And so he has a CNN interview that he's going to bring up and it's an interview with this retired general on array, which is I know this name because Alex will reference him a lot. But it's fun because at this point in 2009, Alex has no idea who he is. It's really fun to watch him try and pronounce the name up on prisonplanet.com. There's another headline of a CNN clip. In fact, guys, let's get that video clip ready because I want to play that clip coming up once Burmese is here and on the show. Retired Army General Russell.

I believe he pronounced that H O E N O R E with a French squiggly on the end of it. How do you pronounce that? H O N O R E with this? CNN did swine flu come out of a lab? Retired Army General Russell Honora on CNN. How did this start in Mexico? Where did it emanate from? We've been able to find that out in all previous pandemics. The question now is to get the heart of how this started. Did it start from a occasion of viruses coming together or did it come out of a lab? All those questions have to be answered. Most doctors, medical doctors and virologists we've talked to in their own record say this had to be weaponized and engineered. We'll tell you why when we get back. Oh boy. So you can see here the next very clear parallel between

Alex's swine flu coverage and how things began with COVID. He's focusing attention on building up the narrative that the flu came out of lab and was built by bad guys. Right. Gotta get it out there. The reason he does this is pretty simple, but there's actually two prongs to it. The first is that if it came from nature, there's no real bad guy. We're all just trying to deal with this wild born disease that threatens us all and it's not really all that exciting. If it came from a lab, then there's intrigue and the ability to paint these meddling scientists as either outright villains or people who probably meant well, but we're tampering with forces outside of what God wants man to tamper with, which led to a smiting. There are more movies about mad scientists than

there are of like the crops aren't as good this year. What have we got? Yeah. The second reason is because reporting all of these potential outbreak stories is having their roots in a lab. It helps bolster anti-vax narratives in as much as they undermine general trust in science. There's an added element to this too, which is that it's always reported as vaccine research gone wrong that led to this lab accident or the release of this alleged bio weapon, which has the effect of associating vaccine development with disaster in the audience's mind. This interview that retired General Honore did with CNN was between him and Don Lemon. Here's the exchange that Alex is basing this insinuation on. Lemon has pointed out that

informing people is an important part of a national strategy to a public health response, and Honore says, quote, informing people so people can make informed decisions. That will help us, that will help stop the spread of the disease. But you know, the key question we've got to ask is, we think it came from Mexico. That's the conventional wisdom of most folks. The next question is, how did it start in Mexico? Where did it emanate from? We've been able to find out that in all previous pandemics. The question is to get at the heart of how did this start? Did it start from the occasion of viruses coming together, or was it, did it come out of a lab? I mean, all these questions have to be answered. I know it seems like I'm possibly splitting

hairs, but I sincerely believe there's a relevant difference between someone saying that it's important to understand where the virus came from and the way Alex was reporting on these comments. The differences that interviews like these with General Honore are open-ended in terms of laying questions that are on the table, whereas Alex's coverage is designed to lead the listener to a pre-determined conclusion. The goal is to cover this as a lab-related outbreak, and Alex uses Honore's comment to further that goal. You can see that, by the way, that Alex has tailored the headline as to only include the part where it's suggesting that the virus came from lab, and of course, the part at the end where he's saying that all experts are saying it's weaponized.

Yeah, that part was really a problem. Yeah, it's a little overt. That one got a little out of hand. He was like, we don't know exactly, and then they turned that into this is a bio-weapon. That's a little bit far. I do think, though, like he's saying that all the experts and scientists that we've talked to have said that. I think that's actually a possibly a true statement if you specifically only talk to crazies. We talked to three people with rabies, and they all agreed that everyone has rabies. I have a good authority from all the people that I've talked to that everyone has rabies, because they all do. All of the scientists we've spoke to have said,

and I think that speaks for itself. Yeah, and so, of course, we have this established. This is from a lab, and now we got to build from there. Yeah, well, this is just a clip of the retired general on CNN pointing out that this could be made in a lab, and when you get all these different viruses mixed together, where you get the pig flu, the swine flu, this bird flu, and human flu, all mixed together, classically, historically, that is engineered in the lab. And then you always have it coming from the east, and there's two different flu seasons, and it always comes from the east. The new strains always. This originated in Mexico City, and they've known about it since March 18th, at least, and we're busy covering it up. And the reason they're so scared is because

it's killing healthy, you know, virile 18 to 30-year-old men and women, mainly, and the death tolls now upwards of 149. I have the latest there, and that's probably a whitewash number. So, this is a really dishonest way to leap off of on a race CNN interview. There's no reason to believe that just because the 2009 H1N1 virus had elements of swine, avian, and human flu's in it, that means that it had to be made in a lab. Scientists, too, studied the virus widely reject this conclusion for a number of reasons. The first is that it's entirely possible for this kind of recombination to happen in nature. Pigs or people can be infected with multiple flu simultaneously, and then they can recombine in ways where they trade genetic information.

According to the CDC, quote, each of the gene segments within the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus had been found in pigs for more than 10 years prior to the beginning of the 2009 H1N1 influenza outbreak. Pigs have long been considered a possible mixing vessel for influenza viruses that originate within pigs, birds, and humans. In addition, a 2009 nature study showed that reassortment between influenza viruses found in North American and Eurasian pigs had already occurred at least once naturally in the five years prior to the identification of the 2009 H1N1 flu. So, there's precedent. Yeah, see, now this is one of those times where I feel like scientists need somebody like me right next to them to explain it, right? Because they're like,

oh, see, these pigs can, and then all the viruses, and then they recombine, and that's how we can see that stuff. And I could just be there and be like, man, pigs let viruses fuck inside them. Who knows? And then we'd be fine. Everybody would understand that better than they recombine. It's more relatable. Yeah, I guess that is an approach. So there's no need for a lab to be involved to explain the complex nature of the virus. But Alex is obscuring that to further push his predetermined conclusion that the virus had to have come from a lab, just as he's done consistently since the beginning of COVID. He's jumped all over the place trying to find these weird explanations for why it had to be made in a lab that have also been

fallen flat and he's kind of forgotten about. Right. As for the idea that flus come from the east, that's actually kind of been born out by research, but it's not a universal thing. A study by the University of Chicago noted that between 2000 and 2010, 87% of the quote most successful globally spreading strains of H3N2 originated in east, south, and southeast Asia. N3N2, of course, being the most common disease-causing strain. This is a high number, but it also does tell us another little fact, and that is that it's not unheard of for flus to pop up in other locations. There's a good 13% there. And this is also only of the most successful globally spreading strains. So it doesn't have to have come from the east. It could easily have popped up in

Mexico. And again, that is not some sort of, it comes from the east because east is a relative concept and it comes from an environment and an ecosphere. And we'd call that the east just because that's where it is in our heads, but it could be anywhere. Sure. And there's some non-consensus, let's say. There's competing theories about exactly why that phenomenon is the case. Right. Whether it has to do with something about population patterns or it has to do with the climate, it's not entirely clear. But it's not the Chinese people themselves doing it. But I don't think Alex is saying that to be fair. No, I know, but it gets weirdly close to that sometimes. I think he is in the present. Yeah, well, there's that. So Alex is fairly right that

2009 H1N1 did affect younger people more severely, with people over 65 being less vulnerable. However, what he's saying about there being a cover-up of anything is just not founded in any way. And here we see another common feature of how Alex reports on public health matters in the immediate. It's important to cast suspicion on all other sources of information. So no matter what the reality of the situation is, you lead with accusing them of a cover-up. By this point, the CDC was already posting updates about what information had been learned up till that point. The Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy were sounding the alarm. State governments were posting guidance for people to avert panic and help them guide themselves through any possible health problems.

Sure. CNN had even reported on cases that have been confirmed in California. I don't know what cover-up Alex is talking about because there wasn't one. But the suggestion that there was is crucial to undermining trust in public health experts, which then helps Alex present himself as the actual expert to his audience. Around every corner in the present pandemic, there have been accusations of cover-ups because it's an easy thing to do and you never have to back it up. Nope. You see it, you know. And if the thing about it that makes it so good is no matter what they're telling you, because yes, you see all this stuff, you can always claim they're covering up something. Right. You know, oh, sure. It's in the news that there are cases in LA, but they're covering up

that there are cases everywhere. And you know, it's magical about that too. What? Is if you just have a vague notion that there's a cover-up, your mind gets to imagine whatever you want. Whatever it is you want. Yes. And if months later, something comes out that wasn't in the reporting by any innocuous reason for any reason. That was part of the fucking cover-up buddy. You know it. And I secretly knew that all the whole time. Even though that I said they were covering up 10 million different other things, the one that I didn't say that did happen to be the case is the one that I meant. Yeah. Yeah. So Jordan, at this point, presenting you with this information, how do you feel about what Alex wants the audience to think about this virus? I feel like he wants

to let them know that the government is murdering them as they speak and that if they're not terrified and giving him money, it's all over. Well, there's a cover-up. Well, sure. You wanted specifics. I mean, I'm just sort of bouncing back. There's a cover-up. This was clearly made in a lab. Who's covering up? It's manufactured for a reason. It was a bio weapon, most likely. Came from outside the United States. And they're reporting fraudulently low death numbers. They're lying about everything. Which kind of implies that more people are dying. So you'd think kind of that you're supposed to be scared of this virus. I would be terrified. I feel like that's the tone. But then we get to this point. The death toll is now upwards of 149.

I have the latest there and that's probably a whitewash number. But still, this is a bunch of hype because the regular flu strains every year kill millions of people worldwide, a conservatively hundreds of thousands and over 15,000 year in the U.S., even more in Mexico. But when we see all this massive media hype, we have to question if this is an important element of the presentation to zoom in on real close. That's infuriating. Alex doesn't want his audience to actually be super afraid of the H1N1 flu. In the same way, he doesn't actually want the audience to be afraid of COVID now, nor did he at the beginning. Right. He wants to build up a sense of fear, foster distrust in mainline sources,

and then transmute that fear that he's established into being fear of something else that he wants them to be afraid of. Possibly something that profits him or pushes his extremist agenda. Generally. And you can see that here clearly. You should be afraid because these people are clearly building a virus in a lab that's a bio weapon. It's killing people at a rate the globalists are covering up, but also it's all hype because normal flu has killed people, a bunch of people every year. That's really kind of an insane thing if you stop and think about it. It's jarring. What he's implying and then the just like, but hey, don't worry about it. It's not as bad as a real flu. The first part of this would lead you to think that you should be very afraid of the

fact that the villains are creating a bio weapon and for some reason they're covering up how many people have died from it, which heavily implies that the virus is something to be deeply concerned about. But then the second part deflates that and sends the message that this is no more scary than any flu every year. That's crazy. This is confusing if you don't pay attention because it's inherently nonsensical. If it's all hype and no different than every flu, why does this coverage exist? If the numbers are no different than they are every year, why would the globalists put out decreased death numbers? What sense does that make? If it's the same as every year, why would the globalists need to cover up the flu's existence for a few months as Alex is implying?

Alex wouldn't have gone through all the effort of laying that track if it weren't for the purposes of shifting the fear narrative down the road towards what he actually wants to push us towards. Right. Which is, I mean, insane. I'd be like, okay, so you're telling me that the flu is not manmade and is just a natural disaster part of the natural order of things. I assume you probably would rather not talk about that. Well, I'm sure you wouldn't do that. Mike might get confused. That's fair. But like, okay, I'm scared of a tsunami tearing the entire east coast apart. Like, that's horrific. But what is tsunami but rain? Right. But my comparison there is though, like, yes, that's terrifying, but nobody's directing that. It is even more of a crisis that

needs to be reacted to. If just one dude dropped a bomb that gave a tsunami on the coast of Georgia, that's not as bad as the fucking God level strike of the entire east coast. But that's a guy doing it. We got to react to that real quick. Right. You know, like that's an emergency. Right. As who knows what he's up to. Yeah, exactly. You can't be saying like, Hey, don't worry about it. The government created a bio weapon and killed a bunch of people in Mexico, but that's no big deal. It's not as bad as a flu. Like, no, no, we got to deal with that now. We do. But Alex wants to deal with it in the way that he wants to deal with it. And I think you can already kind of get a sense based on I don't know everything we've gone through the way that this is going to go. This

is going to be shifted into fears of lockdown, fears of vaccinations being forced on you. Right. Exactly. Yeah. You build up the fear the way he has so far and then deflate the fear of the actual condition and use that fear that you've built to build your own gingerbread house of fear that looks like a FEMA camp. This is really, really scary. Now calm down. This is not what you should be afraid of. You should be more afraid of this. But don't calm down. Keep that crazy angry move this way. Get over here. So Jason Bermas comes in. He shows up time and he's got some thoughts. You know, I checked my emails last night. Apparently Baxter is going to be the one in charge of immunizing for this. Yeah, that's right. Go ahead and tell folks. Well, I mean,

if you don't know who Baxter is only two months ago in mid February, actually it was late February that Bloomberg reported on it. They sent out to 14 separate countries this batch of anti bird flu vaccine that contained two different strains of bird flu and then a third strain of flu. And this is just incredible to me that we would allow Baxter to be the people in charge of inoculating and quote unquote immunizing the populace. This just isn't true. According to a write up from WebMD in 2009, 46% of the vaccines manufactured for the United States were made by Novartis. 26% were from Sanofi Pasteur, 19% from CSL, 6% from Medimmune and 3% from GlaxoSmithKline. And none of these are Baxter's secret name. Oh, Baxter talked a big game, but

they ended up getting beaten out by other suppliers that came to the market. That being said, in October 2009, after Baxter had won part of a contract to supply H1N1 vaccines to the United Kingdom, it came out that they had been forced to pay back millions to state governments for overcharging them for products in the past and committing Medicare frauds. Well, I mean, hey now, who among us has not tried to commit some sort of Medicare fraud on a large scale? Additionally, Baxter did have a mix up at a lab that they run in Austria. It's being a little exaggerated by Burma's, but that did actually happen where live avian flu had contaminated some experimental samples that they'd sent to a couple other labs. It was a bad

mix up and could have had some seriously bad consequences, but ultimately just ended up killing a few ferrets, which is still sad, right? But investigations into it found no hard like no, we only kill play no foul play or a ferret play. Yeah, there wasn't fair. There was a little fair there's a specific goal that's being pursued by coverage like this that Burma's is doing as well. The point of this is to establish the groundwork that there's something suspicious about the plans to develop a vaccine for this new flu virus. There must be a reason that the globalists are having all of our vaccines made by this one specific company that recently bungled a shipment of experimental samples. They must want to have these vaccines that they put into us contaminated

to introducing these sorts of narratives is the first step of the essential pivot that needs to happen where the fear that's being built about the virus is transformed into fear about the vaccines. That's you. It's it's pretty remarkable how this is almost just muscle memory for them. Yeah. Second nature and to be able to to build up and move. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the thing about like ways to combat bullshit is that they have to constantly evolve. And the thing about bullshit is that it stayed exactly the same for my entire fucking life. And it just comes up in different spots like whack-a-mole, you know. Yeah. And I think actually we're going to get to a pretty a pretty salient example of that. Don't do this.

So here's another piece that gets brought up that I think you'll see heavy overlap with the present. This swine flu that's now all over the media. I mean, people are hyped up. I didn't see where I was because I wasn't in the city, but you can bet within the next week if this stays in the news that people will be wearing the masks. They will be wearing bandanas around their face. I mean, this is a big. Well, there was already in the Associated Press this morning that the federal government came out and said, yeah, people need to go ahead and start wearing masks and affected areas inside the United States. So either the government is viciously hyping this to get people to take more vaccines and to take the quote antivirals.

You know, like flu's been mentioned. Yeah. Tamiflu mentioned. No, that's what it's record stock prices right now tied into Rumsfeld and the Bushes and even the president current president Barack Obama is profiting from that. So you can see here this almost identical language to the president masks are just fear hysteria and it's all in service of trying to force vaccines on you. For what it's worth, Alex never got to the second option after Burma's interrupted him. So I have no idea what it was going to be when he's brought up Tamiflu. Yeah, no idea. So that said, Tamiflu is not a publicly traded entity. It's a product that's produced by Gilead Sciences. The reality too is that Alex is wrong. Gilead was not seeing record stock prices in April 2009. Their peak was on

August 4th, 2008, coming in at about $28.50 a share. The day this episode is recorded, their shares, they hit a high of $24.11. Their numbers would start going up eventually, but it wouldn't be until late 2011. And a large part of that was likely due to enthusiasm, surrounding some acquisitions that they'd made buying up a ton of pharma companies like CV Therapeutics and CGI. Shockingly, there is some truth to the claim that Obama had a very small interest in Gilead. In May 2009, CNN reviewed his financial investments and found that predominantly his investments were in US Treasury bonds and like accounts for his children. Sure. You know, but he also did have money in an index fund called Vanguard. That fund has holdings

in a bunch of other companies. And Gilead is number 10 on their list of most held things. So in a very indirect way, you can claim that Obama profits from Gilead, but what Alex is claiming is a bit of a stretch. If Alex just wants to go all the way and say the public officials can't own stock, I'll join him in that. But otherwise, this is all just blustery nonsense. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm for the no public officials owning stock. I feel like that's safer. That seems just too obvious. Too obvious. I think in an ideal world, everybody should be able to invest in whatever they want, but we don't live there. We don't live even close to there. But what you see here is another standard feature of Alex's public health coverage.

There needs to be an insistence that Alex's political enemies are painted as corrupt with their motives chalked up to their financial stake in these find these pharmaceutical companies. We saw this exact same song and dance play out in the COVID pandemic and there are a few slight differences though. Trump was in office, so it wasn't going to fly to start tossing around ideas about his finances. So Alex went the safer route and just insisted Bill Gates had the patent on not only the vaccine, but also the virus itself. While he might have had some interest in pharmaceutical companies, or he does through the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, Gates doesn't himself have a patent on the vaccine. In fact, last May, he came out as in favor of dropping the patent protection

on the vaccines in order to allow greater access for them in developing countries, although probably too late on that. Maybe it could have come to that conclusion a little earlier. Alex would later add Fauci to the list of owners of the patent who were making money off the vaccine, but to be fair to him, like he didn't know who Fauci was at the beginning for a while, so he couldn't accuse him of that. I think what is ridiculous about this now, especially on its face, after having lived through all of this, we can put this type of conspiracy to bed. There's only one way to evilly profit off of pharmaceuticals, and that's just plainly taking insulin and charging $1,000 for it. We see the grift. The grift is there. It's tough. It's just wide open. It's tough

to conceive of who's doing something more. Yeah. We see the grift. The evil grift is in our faces and on our bills. No, but the real problem is that Obama has some money in this index fund that holds some gilead. But then again, Obama was in favor of health, and Michelle was really into diet stuff. She made it a deal. I should tell you that this Vanguard index fund also holds a lot of stock in McDonald's. Ooh, those bastards. So this doesn't make sense. No, that doesn't make sense. Anyway, the point here is that all leaders who advise caution or public health measures, they're only doing so because they want to create fear hysteria in order to corral you into getting this vaccine because then they profit from it. This story plays out over and over again because

it's a myth cycle. It's not actually analysis of the news. Yeah. This is basically Alex's version of Joseph Campbell. Yeah, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense, because what you would do is you would want to get the population to all have some sort of version of diabetes. So if you wanted to invest in a pharmaceutical company and then create a conspiracy that would make you a ton of money, then you would do that, and then you would try and flood the market of the United States with some sort of high sugar content, something, and then what you really want to do is get kids to really be into it. So you'd have cartoon characters and all of these people, they would advertise it for you, and then they would push that out there,

and then so many people would get, and it would just become part of their daily lives. I'm sorry. I think you could even take a step back and look at it from the perspective of like, if the financial motivations really were guiding some of this stuff, there'd be no reason to actually vaccinate people. Once the company's got these contracts to produce the vaccinations, that's good enough. You've got the money. You've made the money. Yeah, go away. What are you going to worry about the next one? Everybody be dead by then. Yeah, it's, it's, uh, there's just a lot of, a lot of balls that need to be juggled here. So speaking of balls that need to be juggled, Alex has a lot of irons in the fire and I'm mixing metaphors and there's a reason for that.

You know, I was kind of piling up my stack of news before you came in because I'm going to be on coast to coast AM for several hours tonight. Oh, wow. Yeah. And I got up at six 45 this morning. I wish I'd, I wish I'd have slept in, uh, had four and a half hours today when we went into overdrive. So I'm going to get out of here. But one of the biggest stories, um, that I'm going to look for while we play this clip, I had it here and then I can't find it. It was up on info wars.com back in early March. Kurt Nemo wrote a story when it came out in, uh, government documents that the, that the government had predicted a, a, a deadly pandemic flew to kill 30 million people in 2009 in 1996. Whoa. So we're talking, uh, 15 years ago,

that's smoking right there. Uh, they, they, uh, we're already planning this operation lockstep. They're planning a man. So that clip is amazing because in it, you see two of the major elements that Alex needs to make this whole pageant to success. The first is to have a platform that's larger than his and presumably more mainstream that'll allow him to come on and present himself as an expert to the suggestible audience. In the present day, that's Joe Rogan's job, but in 2009, Rogan wasn't a gigantically popular podcaster. So he wasn't useful for Alex in that way. George Norrie will do in a pinch. We'll get to that in a minute, but first I want to get into that second aspect, the almost too perfect document that Alex has found.

In order for this whole charade to go off right and for Alex to be able to control where the audience directs their fear, there needs to be some kind of document that could be used to illustrate that the globalist have been planning this all along, which means that Alex is right. And that means you got to listen to him in our current performance of this play. There have been actually a ton of documents that have fit this role with Alex and his menagerie of weirdos cherry picking things to suit their purposes and prove definitely that this pandemic is a false flag. There is a tranche of made up. There is a raft of tranches. I would say that based on my experience, the lockstep document is the one that Alex seems to present as the most concrete and

most persuasive. So I'm going to give it that title for the present day pandemic. Yeah. And here in 2009, we happened to have another too perfect document. I'll tell you that tracking this one down was really hard because Alex gives almost no details on it other than it was on his website, possibly in March and apparently written by Curt Nimmo. If you try to search keywords like 30 million dead prediction 2009 1996 something, you don't come up with anything. But thanks to the wayback machine, I was able to go through all of the headlines published on Inforwards in March 2009. And I hit pay dirt. This Curt Nimmo article is headline quote US Air Force study proposed 2009 influenza pandemic in 1996. The underlying document is a thought experiment from the Air

University titled Air Force 2025 that's described as quote, a study to identify the concepts, capabilities and technologies the United States will require to remain the dominant air and space force in the first quarter of the 21st century. This document is literally the exact same thing as the lockstep document. And Alex is using the exact same intentional misunderstanding in order to present it as some kind of a nefarious plan. This was an exercise to brainstorm what the Air Force would need to do to continue effectively into the future. And in order to carry out that exercise, the research participants created six different alternative future scenarios to explore possible challenges in. They use three variables, American worldview, tech,

and the world power grid. Each of these had two values possible. American worldview could either be global or domestic, tech could either be constrained or exponential and the power grid could be concentrated or dispersed. So for instance, if you want to explore a world where the American worldview is global, tech is constrained and the power grid is dispersed, you'd be looking at their scenario titled gullivers travails. There are five other scenarios, but for our purposes, we don't need to go through all of them in minute detail. Sure. Each of the scenarios includes a section titled plausible history, which is an in exercise description of how the world got to the point it is and their imagined version of 2025. These are imagined,

made up things. And if you want to go, you can you can cherry pick whatever you want out of it. For instance, in this gullivers travails scenario, China broke up into 15 new territories in 2006. And apparently this year, 2022, it's just titled Africa Wars. Oh, no, no idea what that means. We're fucked. Yeah. So look, the scenario Curt Nimmo has decided to focus on is one called digital cacophony. This is one where the global it has a global American worldview, exponential tech and a dispersed power grid. In this scenarios plausible history, there's an influence of the kills 30 million people in 2009. But there's other things in here that should be red flags for anybody thinking this is reflective of planning. For instance, in this plausible

history, we're supposed to have reached a state of abundant food due to genetics in 2002. Oh, also the UN dissolved in 2010. Oh, that was nice of them. It's also going to be tough because in 2015, at least 48 countries have weapons of mass destruction. Also in 2020, we by that point, we have a ton of space settlements. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. So that goes along with the why didn't we go with that one? Yeah, the flu part is is part and parcel of all this. If you read the report, the flu outbreak is included in this scenario as a reminder that though this is a possible future that's dominated by technological advancement, quote, technology could not solve some old problems. Sort of poetic. All right. So I figured out how to defeat Alex's game here. All right.

No one can think about the future ever. Never engage at once. Don't you dare. No thought experiments. Don't think about abstractions. Absolutely not at all. But don't take historical things and then put them in a possible future. That's just you saying that the future is going to happen. Do you have a calendar? Burn it. Yes. Every calendar that has more months than the day that you're on, burn it. If anybody asks you what you're going to do tomorrow, punch them. Fuck them. Yeah. So Nemo's article is really interesting, too, because he's trying to use this document to build a conspiracy about the Baxter flu lab mix up that had happened previously. Interesting quote. Is it merely a coincidence? The Pentagon would propose in 1996, a deadly

flu pandemic for 2009 when live H5N1 avian flu viruses are discovered in vaccines produced by Baxter International plants in Austria. He goes on to cite Paul Joseph Watson, quote, the fact that Baxter mixed its deadly H5N1 virus with a mix of H3N2 seasonal flu viruses is the smoking gun, writes Paul Joseph Watson. The H5N1 virus on its own has killed hundreds of people, but it's less airborne and more restricted in the ease with which it can spread. However, when combined with seasonal flu viruses, which as everyone knows are super airborne and easily spread, the effect is a potent super airborne, super deadly biological weapon of the sort proposed in Air Force 2025. That's a lot of supers. Yeah. Very suspiciously, those last words,

quote, of the sort proposed in Air Force 2025. Those aren't part of the quote from Paul. That was Nemo adding a little editorial and completely fabricating the idea that this document proposes a biological weapon. Sure. Nonsense. Yeah, why not? In the scenario, they say that no one ever figured out if it was a naturally occurring flu or it was a bioengineered, but that makes sense in the scenario's parameters. It's a world with boundless dispersed technology and power, where one of the main hallmarks of the challenges that they have is that there's an increasing number of states and non state actors that have weapons of mass destruction. Leaving the genesis of this flu outbreak ambiguous creates flavor in the picture that they're painting for the

scenario exercise. Sure. Anyway, Kurt Nemo sucks, and even he had no clue that this would be able to be repurposed when that whole Baxter narrative didn't really go anywhere. And so now Alex is digging back, taking this and saying that, oh no, it proves this one. And that's the same article that Paul Joseph Watson opened with some are saying. Like he was very circumspect about not being like, this is true. I mean, these are different articles, but they're both Paul. Right. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Paul's kind of a shithead too. He's a little bit of an asshole. Yeah. As is the exact same situation with the present day use of the Rockefeller lockstep document, this is a useful tool for people in the Air Force educational program to

explore what challenges the military may face if certain variables of social organization go different ways. This isn't no way predictive of anything, or I guess it's as predictive of this 2009 flu as it is of the UN dissolving in 2010. It's not an accident that Alex's coverage of both the H1N1 flu outbreak and the present pandemic include a completely misrepresented document that he uses to prove foreknowledge on the part of his enemies. It's because he's a liar with a pattern and he needs props. He's the carrot top of liars. I mean, it's at the point now where you're like, do they have a flow chart somewhere? You know, like for a pandemic, they've got, oh, break out the flow chart that has start here and then just keep going down the cascade

I don't think they could possibly be that organized. No. But I think it's just, you know, like these are the elements. It's just a way to do it. We got a pull from. Yeah, it's just a way to do it. So now let's loop back to this coast to coast thing. I'm not going to make us sit here and listen to it all bit by bit, but I could not help myself. So I created a supercut of some of the high points of the episode. All right. Alex is on with giant theorist and regular Jim Baker guest Steve Quayle, who would like to introduce the sex robot. Sure. And he's one of the other, you know, shitty info or Steve's. Yeah. So here this is like six and a half minutes long or so. Oh boy. But this is the only way I could boil down the experience of listening to this whole

episode. All right. While in our continuing special report on the swine flu scare up next, Steven Quayle joins us along with Alex Jones right here on coast to coast. We can paint a picture that is so far removed from conspiracy to be in your face just by public documents. For instance, in 1996, Air Force put out a document claiming that by 2009, 30 million people would be dead from influenza. How did they know that? Yes, and that interesting. We just heard from Steve and Alex, who believes that this was concocted in a laboratory and released on us your take. Well, my problem is I'm sitting here with about 150 plus documents and reports, including the one we broke just a month and a half ago at info wars.com about that Air Force perspective saying that they

thought there would be a massive flu outbreak back in 1996 in 2009. So I just have information overload here, but I want people to listen to me very, very carefully because this is so important. This is clearly a designer virus. This is clearly been manmade. Even CNN had a retired top general on the day involved in researching bio weapons saying we need to look at this being made in a laboratory. And I predicted a month ago and just like I predicted 9 11, because I just understand these people and I don't just throw predictions out here, predictions out there. I'm not bragging. I can't sleep. All I do is study this. I said they've got a bunch of cards in their hands. The globalist above our government,

the Illuminati, the new world order, the social engineers, and they need a crisis or they won't get their world government through which they're openly announcing new bank of the world we pay our carbon taxes to. They've got to make us love them as their saviors. And I said out of a stage nuke out of attacking Iran out of attacking Pakistan out of all these things they can do. I believe the next card they're going to play is at least a massive bird flu scare. And so that's where we and I talked to Steve last Monday and he on record said that too. So a lot of people are thinking a lot. Take a breath on records like that happen. The media jumps on it. This is a hot news story that we've been talking about for three or four

years. Easy. All of us and they're just now starting to pick up. They don't know how to handle it because they haven't investigated what you and Steven have investigated for years. You guys are so far ahead of the curve. Can everybody that's listening to this broadcast worldwide even imagine the fact of the period that's going to be exhibited throughout the nations of the world when they find out that this was a genetically altered biological weapon that was intentionally released. Now those are my words. Is there anybody honest enough to say those things? And I'm not talking about you and Alex but a scientist. Look don't just Alex and I always tell people go and look at the research that we spend blurry eyed hours in the the midnight or

early morning to research this stuff. They either know this is super bad and are covering it up. They either released it and know it's super bad and are covering it up and are using this as a martial law takeover smoke screen or they know it's not really bad and they're just hyping it because governments everywhere including Mexico on the verge of collapse needs this as a unifier and most sociologists looking at this and many Mexicans I'm speaking to in Mexico believe the government is hyping it and using it and may have even released it to stop revolution to get people's minds off of all the government corruption. This is world depopulation. That's why why now. I mean wasn't wasn't there an episode in 24 where the president shook the hands of

somebody and got gook all over him and then you know he came down with a disease. I mean all of this is just too bizarre. Well I said this was maybe a lab but something very serious went wrong. Reuters reported yesterday that Janet Napolitano the head of Homeland Security said that well this flu may not be a pandemic it may go away in a few weeks but then another deadly one is coming soon and she smiled. Ah psychic is she. I believe that we are in a total war mode right now both in the natural and supernatural realm. I believe the four horsemen the apocalypse to use a prophetic symbolism and imagery couldn't be more exact. I believe that you're seeing the complete plan being implemented by the powers that are to ultimately wipe out mankind. I said on this program

that SARS would not be in a pandemic that the avian flu would not be a pandemic qualifying it every time every time by saying unless they concocted it in a laboratory. Yeah George I want to agree with you I'm on record. I mean on my Alex Jones channel on YouTube there's a video up there I did three years ago saying the bird flu is hype but it's hype to train everybody to be fearful and to go under this martial law control grid. You know it's interesting George because no one who speaks a prophetic word at the time it's given is ever received at the time it's given and only people look back at and say gee that guy knew what was going on. Well all I know is Mexico is on the edge of collapse and now this can push it over again. All right so who benefits if Mexico collapses.

The globalists if the deaths are mainly centered in Mexico City there are studies showing that the toxic waste and the heavy metals can weaken people and that that may be why we're seeing some of these deaths there but if the evidence continues to confirm that they're dying in these nice little clean towns on the Pacific and on the Gulf of Mexico and on the Caribbean and we're getting these reports if that is happening then this is raised specific tailored for people of Asian descent. For those that don't know over the very straight about 20,000 years ago Asians came across the bloodline you know they have the Mongolian spots on their backs when they're babies. The people who are quote Mexican are really predominantly Asian with a mixture of

Spanish bloodlines and so this is a... Yes that's a big hot moment. I guess the shrouding of this year the swine flu I was wondering if anything anything to do with possibly the disclosure of extraterrestrial and possibly a connection with how they would I guess throw them out there without creating panic that maybe they have a... I would say in this case that has nothing to do with this one. Oh congrats. That's great. That's really nice. Yeah so I mean George Norris an active participant in this culture. Yeah yeah yeah. He's uh he sucks but like you see a couple things like the nonsense aside a couple of other added elements are the knee jerk insinuation. This is a race specific bio weapon. Oh always. You saw that exactly at the

beginning of the COVID stuff. It's a very standard feature of Alex's coverage and also the other thing too is the notion that this is meant to stop a revolution that's happening in Mexico stop this awakening against the the globalist tyranny. That's exactly what he was saying about in China. There were people who were rising up against the the CCP and yep so they had uh and it's gotta be god. Crush political dissent in Hong Kong. That's so fucking sad. It makes me so sad. I think you would be very sad mostly anytime you listen to coast to coast. Yeah that's true that's true. Sometimes it's fun but most of the time it's not. I'm I'm here's what I'm saying okay we don't need we don't need laws restricting speech. We need a bureau of enforcement of predictions

all right. Oh that'd be nice. So if you go on the radio and say some shit that's fine. You can say whatever you want on the radio but up somewhere it goes on the board and there's a date and if you if it's like contact tracing for bullshit like you have to follow up on each prediction and then you have to come out and admit you learned something. So if you were if you're alex on this shit in 2010 or whatever somebody comes into your office they go guess what it turns out you're full of shit. You have to go on tv and apologize and say I learned my lesson and if you refuse to that you lose your prediction. There you go. That's what I'm saying. I'm saying it just needs to be regulated. We need regulated bullshit. We don't need outlawed bullshit. Sure. Yeah so a larger picture though.

I mean I support your your bill that you're proposing. I'm running for Congress but like we should all be so lucky as alex to have friends throughout the like all these points in our careers with wide audiences great that are willing to engage with our bullshit. Come on. And like you see the the narratives that he's pushing on the show with Jason and he's just shined them up a tiny bit made them a little bit harder to track down exactly what he's talking about and he's disseminating them to george's audience and george is a very willing active participant in it in the same way that rogan is yep through negligence or actually being interested in yeah spreading the alex's narratives and it's alex couldn't exist without that yeah I wouldn't

be able to attract people to his bullshit it's the dumb dumb who's willing to say oh that's interesting say more about that or huh you know well that's all you have to do that's what they need honestly they never say say more about that no no they never get to I just mean like like I'm interested in your topic keeps keep spewing bullshit you've interested me yeah you're fascinating lie to me exactly yes that's what I mean so um alex left bermus because he had to take a nap or whatever in order to get ready to go on coast to coast and so now we've gone to coast to coast and we're gonna jump back in on saturday may 2nd alex put out an emergency show all right our long special an emergency most important thing he's ever done about the swine

flu let me just read to the bullet points I've written here then I'll go through the news that backs it all up a huge mind control exercise a literal war on freedom and liberty worldwide is taking place and you can just google UN says swine flu outbreak good for globalism or globalists say flu outbreak good for world government and you will see them in the news little bit ragging that this is helping them set up a world government they need a crisis to offer their solution exactly there we go exactly the same as as how we we deal with this in the in the present so alex is a particular villain at this point and it's the director of homeland security uh janet napolitano they love it they're also admitting themselves as janet napolitano

said last sunday now six seven days ago that oh this flu will probably fade out but another big pandemic will come will happen it's a foregone conclusion so let's not forget about that and they're saying that this flu will probably mutate right around the fall when flu season begins we better all go roll up our sleeves and get the shot they're going to have right on time they're talking about the federal government paying for 600 million doses for the 300 million americans do you know how much profit that is when they're talking about the drug company that's chosen to make the vaccine get as much as 20 per shot what's uh what's 20 times 600 million so you can see here a direct mirror of much of alex's rhetoric from covid times

and the current day it was bill gates saying that there would be future diseases that alex deemed to be suspicious but in the past it was janet napolitano and of course it's a fewer based exercise in order to get everyone to take vaccines possibly just motivated by getting 20 per shot for large batches wow yeah 12 billion dollars dan has a lot of money it is especially to uh trillion dollar companies sure yeah certainly worth destroying the world definitely worthy of killing millions of people for yep absolutely so uh look dude this is this is staged man understand the reason this is a danger is this is a beta test as the economy continues to collapse we can and i already predicted this months ago their model for control will be

staged bio attacks so you had a staged bio attack in order to retain control as the economy collapses this is great so consistent love it love it and and he just keeps hitting the exact same points this is clearly a designer virus we got to watch this this is serious because they may move on us right now with martial law and these globalists are eugenicists who've done all this chemical biological radiological testing on us in the past we need to take what they're saying serious but we believe it's a hoax well it's now becoming more and more clear thank god it is a hoax but that's just the lesser of two evils because we know that it's a hoax for them beta testing their federalization their takeover and coming martial law what could be in the fall of the

winter of this year into early next year and they even admit their beta testing that so so you got clearly a designer virus he's right he's hammering that home and now we have the prediction that by the end of the year early into 2010 we got martial law yeah i know this happened none of this happened no the bureau of enforcement needs to show up yeah i mean the reality is that the way the the h191 outbreak played out yeah in 2009 is ideal almost for everybody right you know except for unfortunately with people who got sick the way that it weakened and became sort of a flu right and not something that was necessarily more dangerous than than normal flu that's great for the population and it's great

for alex because people can forget about all this bullshit that he did but it's gonna be tough to forget about it now now it's gonna be a harder with 2019 or i'm sorry you know 2020 2021 and now into 2022 the presentation of the performance that he's done surrounding covid has gone so far off the rails that it's gonna be impossible there's no going back no but he could go back from this that's an easy dismount the argument that i'm making is that that is what he i believe hoped i believe that he thought he was doing another one of these yep until he wasn't yep and by that point it was too late it was too late yeah yeah yep you know it's almost like if you are actively searching for bad governance and then you win and then something that needs good governance

happens yeah it turns out like i think there's an underappreciated element for alex that like his conspiracies legitimately rely on decent governance yeah yeah be a safeguard against the things yeah if what he wants to happen happens he's fucked so he needs people to ignore him and give him money which is a tough tightrope to walk because sooner or later people are going to pay attention to you if you get enough money and here we are so uh napolitano jennon napolitano bad saying bad things that's not hard they said last sunday in uh napolitano homeland security heads briefing she said to everybody out there she said there is no need to shut down the border or shut down flights or anything because it's already spread everywhere and there's no way to

stop it anyways and besides and newer worse lives coming anyways very cryptic this is an absolutely inaccurate description of jennon napolitano's comments that were made in the press conference that sounds about right speaking of efforts at the border she said quote we have implemented passive surveillance protocols to screen individuals who may arrive at our borders all persons entering the united states from a location of human infection of swine flu will be processed through all appropriate cbp protocols right now these are passive that means they're looking for people who and asking about are you sick have you been sick and the like and if so then they can be referred over for further examination the part from that press conference

that touches on the possibility of new strains popping up is not napolitano but it's a comment made by the acting director of the cdc dr richard beser beser says quote we analyze that strain and are continuing to do further analysis of that strain and we expect to see the emergence of new flu strains that's something that we are continually watching for to ensure that we're ready should a strain emerge that's not that there's not immunity and protection in the community for it this strain is not unlike other new strains that have emerged it's an assortment it's got genetic components from a number of sources including human swine and avian sources and that's something that you see with new strains not that i mean it's so it's so crazy that because i feel

like this is a fundamental thing that hasn't really been communicated to people to the level that i think a lot of people just assume other people understand it but i mean viruses reproduce you know and they don't clone it's not exactly the same you like i want people to go on tv and be like okay you know how when you have kids right they don't look exactly like you right and then if you have like a billion kids eventually over a long enough period of time they're gonna look completely different from you this is like that but because viruses do it all in like a day they do a billion of those in a day it happens faster do you understand now it's just like us but it's a different thing well i think even that isn't a good enough expert no you're probably right you're

really right honestly uh yeah i think i think that um you know the idea that you would have a and then once it transmits it's still a yeah yeah i think i think that could be better articulated right i yeah and i think that's kind of what basser's point it's it's what he's trying to say yeah and the the notion that there are combinations of things from different sources isn't something that is right as surprising or weird as it may seem right none of the comments that alex describes to napolitano are accurate in the least but that doesn't really matter this isn't about reporting news or depicting reality this is about characterizing alex's enemy in a particular way they want the virus to spread because doing so allows them to force

vaccines on people and put in martial law so naturally napolitano isn't closing the border intentionally to make the virus spread more the enemy wants the public to be in horrible fear so of course napolitano ominously predicted new and worse strains of the flu which alex interprets essentially as a threat just as he did with early bill gates interviews in the present day now one thing i should note that the looking at this this content there's a tremendous overlap in terms of tactics and narrative elements that alex is using there's a glaring difference uh in terms of the stuff that i reviewed for this episode i'm not saying he doesn't mention him anywhere but all the stuff i had looked at he doesn't bring up bill gates at all weird that

isn't bill gates in the council of 12 in 2009 i think he was probably middle manager yeah he was probably still middle management but yeah he was still very involved with world public health you know you get really involved when you got several billion dollars hanging around yeah i think that alex was able to direct his attentions at the government figures that he didn't like yeah and so bill gates maybe wasn't nearly as much of an evil figure he had obama he had napolitano you don't have to worry about adding in extra billionaires right because you've got the government this the most evil one you've ever had before it's got an obama there right and it makes more sense the idea that obama would be able to put in martial law enforcement vaccines whereas the leap from

bill gates being able to do that is a little bit tough yeah it meant that he's been able to pull that off he's bridged that gap in the present day not smoothly but he's done it yeah it helps that they've already created a massive mythology around trump divorcing him from the reality of who the person is to the point where you can say both he's the most powerful man on the earth and he can't do anything about anything oh no he was tricked by cushioner simultaneously the unstoppable can't do anything yeah so here's some of the exact same sort of rhetoric that we see in the present because the public didn't buy in the phony boogie man you know terrorists in a cave anymore it's the reason to lock down the cities this is something we're all guilty and the government

gets to get involved in our lives and tell us what to do and tell us what to put in our bodies that they're going to come forcibly inoculate us inoculate us and put us in prison if we don't go along with what they say quarantine us lock our cities down they're already beta testing with hotels and airports and and and and some people's homes in texas and california people are on quarantine with police out front keeping them on house arrest i actually tricked you that is a clip from 2020 yeah yeah it's not actually but it could have been god damn it no that's what 2009 but it could have been god damn it it would it's wait is it it's 2009 oh okay yeah yeah but it's it's almost indistinguishable from a lot of the stuff that you're saying no truly

truly absolutely one to one yes brutal and there's a reason it's it's it's very clear money so um look there are people who are fear mongering sure cnn crazy but there's other people who aren't who now here's this article not fear mongering sign points to milder swine flu outbreak than once feared well don't tell cnn that yeah don't tell cnn because they got this one article this article it's from fox news that alex says isn't fear mongering but if you actually look at the article the quotes that are in it are from the very people alex is claiming are hyping this up and fear mongering for instance dr nancy cox a flu chief at the cdc said quote we do not see the markers for virulence that were seen in the 1918 virus obama is cited in that article is suggesting

that the flu may have run its course like ordinary flues alex wants to have his cake and eat it too and he achieves this by crafting intricate stories based solely on headlines this fox article is saying that the signs are pointing to a milder flu than once feared which is counter to what the establishment is saying but because he ignores the body of the article alex doesn't have to then explain the fact that the article is based on comments from the people within the very establishment that alex is insisting or trying to fear monger and bring in marshal law also if you look at the coverage of comments made by dr cox around this time you find articles and npr it was titled uh flu gene suggest virus not as deadly as 1918 and guess what you can even find an article from cnn

using the exact same quote sure there is a story that alex wants to tell and it has no relationship to the reality in front of him which is why headlines are his most important tool they're often flashy and vaguely written either due to length constraints or a desire to drive clicks to websites and thus they're really easy to misconstrue which is about 75 percent of alex's journalistic toolkit yep and you see that in the present you see that in the past yeah you do i mean you do have to give it up for those uh solid 18th century newspapers in britain and the like where the headlines are the entire thing and you're like well this is an unruly headline but on the other hand yeah there is that or is like uh around the world on 80 days as like this chapter titles

yeah yeah yeah the whole fucking chapter in which past part two yeah yeah yeah oh boy absolutely this is the novel of a chapter title um yeah so look we're we i think i've made about a lot of the points that i wanted to make or i hope to demonstrate with this you see you see these exact same tricks a formula more or less play out that alex used at the beginning of the coverage of the covid pandemic yeah that you see here uh with the 2009 h1n1 um and now uh there's a little bit more to talk about but also this special that he did ends up going off the rails a little bit that is and so there's something nice to enjoy here at the end almost like dessert so if i understand this correctly even in 2009 an emergency special report that is an hour long

spends about 20 minutes on the topic well i mean the topic is still more or less uh like consistent throughout it's about but he has an idea for something that actually is a lot of fun all right okay let me go through the other news i'm gonna give out the what we're gonna call the white house on air i hadn't mentioned that we're gonna i'm gonna call the white house myself on air coming up in a few minutes and then we're gonna open up this let me go over the martial law what they're selling what they're pushing why this is so important and and folks if you're watching this in a month on youtube when it's gotten you know 200 000 views or whatever you call the white house too because they're planning to run this in the fall of the winter they're even saying

it this is a great training for us well for to have north common the military take over and lock the cities down and have forced inoculations for your safety uh when the next deadly flu hits this winter so you need to call obama and go look jack we know what you're doing we know you're using this as the economy implodes as an excuse to put troops on the streets and bring in martial law didn't biden call everyone jack i believe he did yeah listen up jack you know i mean i think what what i do appreciate that is i would speak to the president of the united states that way sure that would be a delight well i mean you know listen up jack look obama did sort of curate the image of like i sit down with word leaders and have a beer sure yeah i think i think if anybody

would be like i'm gonna i'm gonna allow people to call me jack or buddy or a friend or whatever you're like i think it would be obama uh i think nixon would take a swing at you i think nixon depends on how drunk he was sure jfk you can get away with it oh totally but you'd already have sex with him by then also isn't his name jack his name is jack well you know it's what we called him sure american royalty anyway uh there's there there are some other things that are parallels to before we get to the the actual phone call sure and and and they admit reuters ap that we're this country's under u n control they're directing their response to the cdc in the states in north com and you can go read where it says forced inoculations that you have no rights you can

go read all this for yourself we've had this link all week long up at info wars dot com and prison planet dot com and let me give you the name of it it's world health organization checklist for influenza pandemic preparedness planning and then it lists all the international laws and treaties now this is real the united nations really exist here it is right here hate that tell glenn back this but here it is it exists this was a document that the who put together in 2005 because of the avian flu outbreak this is not a list of demands the world health organization is making of everybody it's just a helpful guide to establishing best practices to be able to be ready to respond in the possible event of a new flu strain emerging where health officials need to

respond quickly to uncertain circumstances it doesn't list any treaties or whatever alex is saying that's all just made up but we see here another direct parallel to the present day it's important for alex to present the takeover plan that's being facilitated by the outbreak as being run by the international globalist bodies that he imagines he's fighting against in this framework the folks like obama and napolitano are bad but they're really just under the sway of these folks like the who who are actually running things we've seen that time and time again in terms of covet where any form of international cooperation or collaboration is presented as the world health organization ruling over american sovereignty that's a meaningless argument for alex to make

but it's a very good way for him to fear monger to his audience that's been trained for years to be super afraid of the inevitable day when the un and the international bodies would take over the united states he was doing that in 2009 he's doing that prior and he's still doing it yep yep another uh maybe he needs another uh uh visit from that uh the predictions board just a one-trick pony yeah i mean there's a lot of side tricks yeah yeah but it's just so it's so disappointing that it still works you know you you dream if you spend enough time reading human history you dream of that slow growth you know that like lesson upon lesson we grow and we change brick by brick everything you know what you fuck up but you fuck up in a new way yeah and if you

fucked up you'll learn your lesson from that and you can do spirit it and it turns out you can just do the same as shit for 30 years and be a millionaire mm-hmm well as long as uh you have friends like George Norrie and Joe Rogan it's good to have it it's good to have rich friends yeah and uh no shame no no those are the two things you need gall and rich friends maybe stimulants uh never go wrong with stimulants yeah so anyway here's some more parallels to the present think about it it's perfect governments everywhere on the verge of falling they're falling all over eastern europe they're falling all over the planet because of the world implosion as they set up the new bank of the world the new carbon taxes how do they lock down cities how do they set up a police state

how do they ban public gatherings how do they ban protesting how do they grandstand as saviors they hype up a designer flu and it's no doubt a designer flu they did that's on scientists who weren't part of their cabal looked at it they would at least go yeah this is totally new and novel by the way it looks like it's an engineer this is scary so they can create fear and then say oh it's mutating in the fall you need to take the vaccine boy something special they got free in that vaccine maybe it's like the syphilis for the black man remember that's the government that does this type of stuff thousands of times see all of this is the exact same thing i'm sounding like a broken record at this point yeah so uh alex is going to build up to uh taking call uh go out to taking

calls taking calls yeah making making the call to obama yeah look jack let's go ahead and call the white house here is the number we're going to call it in a moment call the white house 202456 1111 be polite these are just puppets these are just actors this is uh you know uh the the real government is run out of the rand corporation and the council and fine relations trilateral commission these big think tanks brag they set all the real policies the military dictatorship that works for them is based uh not in virginia not in dc but uh at north com so remember you're just calling like a group of shakespearian actors you're just calling a theater troupe so don't be rude to these actors you know they work hard man they're tired you know they go home

obama smokes a cigarette you know maybe hits adobe or something you know he's a really good actor he presents the uh script don't be rude let him know hey we know your actors and the people will back you up if you just won't stage terror attacks or you know when your bosses stage terror attacks that's a good deal that's a good deal and and and and tell your bosses we know they're hyping this to sell the public on force inoculations and roundups and lockdowns and we know obama yeah but also be polite i mean that's great that i love the offer i love the way they're going about it i think it's good advice for these giving certainly it's how you want to communicate with people if you want to reach like an understanding this and like you know you could really see

yourself working together with somebody when they approach you like that listen i know everything that you're about to tell me is a lie and you're just an actor because you're a fucking actor there's no way for us to communicate in any real way obviously unless you agree with my presentation that is a part of your act also sight unseen i will not tell you what you need to agree with yep you have to just yes i am you gotta go with whatever it is that i'm saying and then i will believe you yeah oh great so alex tries to call we're calling the puppets so let's go ahead and call obama i'm gonna go ahead and talk to him right now let's go ahead and call the white house call the local theater go into the bathroom right now 2024561111 i'm gonna call the local actors

we're sorry your call cannot be completely dialed this is the craziest thing we called that before the show and it worked i told you they're constantly they got like five or six numbers and they're changing them day to day and they're like they're constantly changing the number what are you talking about of course they mistyled but no alex can't even he asks if they mistyled and then has to walk it back to be like no it's a conspiracy it's gotta be they've changed the number routinely couldn't couldn't just let him try one more time before you go with the conspiracy well no he's got to float the conspiracy and then and then we try and you try okay the number is good one week then it's not good the next week then it's good

another week what world do you live in the white house comment line the office is now closed your comment is very important to the president so please call again between the hours of 9 a.m and 5 p.m now real quick so he gets this answering message before we continue further i want to point something out really clearly yeah he's going to pretend to leave a message but there is no like answering machine no there's a beep of the phone hanging on right they didn't leave a message no there's no voicemail there isn't a voicemail there's no leave a message but he's pretending that there is he's really going to try and sell me on them it's amazing that message literally said call back tomorrow yes keep the end eastern standard time monday through friday our direct

telephone number is 202-456-1111 again 202-456-1111 thank you hi this is alex jones i'm a syndicated radio broadcaster and produce some of the most viral videos on the web the most popular you guys are hip down there is the latest version of presidential actors is this what you think leaving a message sound like i just call the white house and let the person answering the phone say you should give this to the higher level speech writers and people actually writing the scripts and plays for the actors that the american people are aware that obama and george bush and all of them are just puppets total new order puppets and that the folks at info wars dot com are not closed on saturday night like you are because

this is the real world this is not a shakespearian thespian uh a troop of actors we are info warriors in the info war exposing the new world order this is also like even if he was leaving a message this is useful that's insane yeah it's most basically a plug there's nobody there he's leaving a fake message that's a plug for how great he look we're not off so usually are zero people saturday night you're doing an emergency show you usually are not there if i this isn't live right what the show yeah yeah i think it is oh you think it is live okay i was gonna say because you could edit it out the part where you left a message to a not voicemail i think that alex is really into the authenticity of sure like you know just let him see it all right right all right but i mean that

here's the thing okay nobody told him nobody they don't take a message nobody didn't give him like a signal of like what's great too is that he called beforehand before the show and presumably heard the they didn't realize they don't have a answer because it's saturday though right well yes it is saturday evening so they wouldn't have answered either no um but that doesn't stop him from continuing but it's the voice that he's he's leaving up he's using the i'm leaving a message voice that's the thing that's so crazy yep you realize that's the crazy part well i mean there's a lot of crazy parts we know you're not really even bad guys you're actors you're hired guns uh to get up there and read off teleprompters we understand that but we're just saying to you as the puppets

since you actually talked to the bosses uh bernackie you and uh paulson and kashkari and geithner and others who are just mid-level minions themselves to the rockefellers and rothschilds and others that we're not your slaves we're not your property this is our declaration of independence you know my john handcock i'm alex jones like bring me a pin i want to sign my name big bring bring me a sharpie here as we somal cast on the radio and tv that i want the white house to know we are not putting up with this tyranny anymore i'm not your slave you don't own me and you could stage all the bird flu swine flu crap you want so you can get involved in our lives and poses our saviors and our bosses and shut down public assembly we know

mexico is collapsing from your new world order narco terrorism that the you know you guys bring the drugs in together we know that they've staged this flu situation as a way to unify the people and get folks more worried about surviving than than uh being slaves but but just know this we're not cowards we're standing up to you we're speaking out against you we're aware of your activities so you want our comments it's this we know you as actors are aware that real human beings real people who aren't buying into the puppets of the left right are beginning to wake up to what you're doing and we're not looking at the puppet obama or the puppet mccain or the puppet bush or the puppet barber boxer we're looking past the puppets right now to the elite that actually

control things and uh ron paul's got bills to audit the criminal fed private federal reserve that claims it's above all laws on leer news hour and no police no judge no branch of government can even look at it that's asinine we're exposing that and we're gonna audit the fed we're gonna abolish the fed and just like made off founder of the nasdaq's a criminal one of your bosses all of you are gonna end up going to prison after you've been tried by a jury or peers unless you turn states evidence against the new world order today so again from info wars dot com from the front lines of the info war from the front lines of true liberty this is my emancipation proclamation against you i am not a sucker i am not a slave your neuro linguistic

programming and brainwashing doesn't work on me and i'll say it again like they say in v for vendetta ladies and gentlemen ideas are eternal ideas going forever and you can't stop the signal you can't stop the truth so you should join humanity you should stop selling out to these degenerate old potbellied european rothschilds and rocker fellers it's disgusting so join humanity white house did you look stop being actors join humanity stop being puppets again i'm alex jones from austin texas i hope you've listened to me wow all right well you can leave a long message if you'd like go ahead and call up there ladies and gentlemen i mean oh no no no no no no no that's great that's awesome oh my god what uh what a what a showman i see if i was at the white house and i saw this

the next day i'd be like well we got to have a voicemail i mean we got to keep that we got to keep these or actually i'd be like well that's exactly why we don't know i agree and if we did it would not allow you to leave a five minute message i guess they i think alex probably had run out of things to cover and was just like well i had planned this chunk and i got to do it i got to do something yeah oh it's kind of like if you're a stand up and like a bit's not working sure you got to finish it yeah yeah you do your time yeah yeah you power through yep so this is really dumb but if you think about it this is also an analog to the present day these days alex pretends that every important person in the world listens to his show so he could just do full on

wrestling promos calling out people like bill gates and the audience gets to feel that vicarious excitement of pretending that alex is talking directly to and telling truth to power he's standing up to the tyrants and you're part of it in 2009 alex couldn't really pretend that anyone in power cared all that much about what he was doing so this is how that same kind of vicarious thrill for the audience was conveyed alex is pretending to leave a message on the white house comment line where he just drones on and on and declares his independence which is supposed to be like a thrill for the listeners it's pretending to take a risk which is clearly illustrated by alex pretending to sign something with his john hamcock this is meant to evoke the idea that the signers of the declaration

of independence were taking a serious risk by putting their names on paper since if their cause was unsuccessful they would be immediately killed for treason this is the same kind of risk alex wants to pretend he's taking by faking leaving a voicemail for the white house i will say that it's kind of hard to tell which version of this is the sketch that he's doing is sadder like the version in the present or in the past but i think it's probably the past because it requires the prop of the fake comment line message i don't know any any human being i don't know any human being who has gone straight from poetic irony to poetic irony unscathed i mean the man literally left a voicemail to nowhere a perfect microcosm of his life and career it really is i mean it's

essentially talking into a void he's talking to no one yeah and assuming that somebody's there listening to him and not just assuming nobody is somebody but that is the most powerful people in the world i think that alex knows full well that no one's listening right he wants the audience to believe that he is sure talking to those powerful again a man walking from one poetic irony to the next just like not even bothering to look the abyss doesn't even bother to look at him anymore the abyss shans a little bad the abyss is like man this fucking guy i don't even the abyss is over christ oh god i'm gonna get a beer the abyss is like this dude again jeez this motherfucker so alex says we have one last clip and again it's another parallel to the present we want to have

this video go viral so people know this was all a mass hoax we hope there's still a small chance that it may turn out deadly but it's certainly engineered by them it's certainly designer we do this this video to go extremely viral check out all the facts check out all the evidence check out all the information that we went over re upping some of that fear a little bit and then trying to use it to promote uh you know you got to share all this information yeah you got to make this go mega viral in order to protect everyone from the thing that i'm making you afraid of yeah sales class is called that the after sale you know after you've closed the second yeah exactly then you got to push yeah so i i i understand that maybe this is retreading some territory a

little bit in as much as i think that we've we've hinted at and talked a little bit about yeah how some of this dynamic works but i i felt that it was worthwhile to look a little more closely at some of this um this formulaic nature of the way that alex presents his coverage especially in the early stages of um the pandemics or public health things this should be dammit now one of the things that i think is a limitation of this is obviously you know later on down the road alex will transition this into the swine flu vaccine is dangerous there are horrible side effects that are coming from the swine flu vaccine but it's almost impossible to create a parallel to how he ended up having to weave things with covet yeah to any other period in his career because he'd

never been stuck that far out on a limb before he never was forced to do whatever he's doing now as it relates to to swine flu or to ebola um and i mean i guess i'm thankful for that because that means less pandemics got out of hand yeah but it is a limitation in terms of my being able to trace like ah this is the step that happens when you're right forced to right not move on right i mean the the awful part about alex is that his type of uh uh bullshit i guess can only flower in a stable environment one that doesn't fluctuate so far off course that it gives in to any of his extreme bullshit right and if he is allowed to flourish in a stable environment his presence will be an unstabilizing aspect of it which will then lead to where we are now a stable

environment allows alex to exist allows him to grow to the point where the unstable environment takes over and then the cycle begins again and 20 years from now there's gonna be another fucking asshole alex jones he's gonna do the same shit for 30 years well maybe we'll have learned our lesson by then and and and we'll write better headlines maybe longer headlines much longer that's the key that is maybe that's the key to information traveling yeah in a responsible way my contribution to the information warfare is insisting that editors write longer and better headlines long headlines that make very clear what you're about to say that cannot be misconstrued absurdly redundant too like to the point where where even after they've explained their point

they're like but seriously we're saying this specifically not other things this is not a hidden thing and then like in parentheses cough cough alex brah seriously jack so we'll be back on monday with uh look at how alex is dealing with his old buddy steward roads getting arrested indeed we will and uh i bet it will not be great no i'm sure he's going to take it well i mean think about it like i've been reflecting on this since that news broke a little bit earlier and uh you know of the people who are most instrumental in uh the rise of the oath keepers yeah i don't think you can name somebody more doesn't get much bigger than alex intricately intimately entwined than alex like he's been around since before

they were an actual organization him and steward roads uh his steward's been a guest on alex's show since like the founding of the oath keepers yep i don't i don't even announce the founding of the oath keepers i believe so yeah i'm fairly sure fundraising yeah it was it was germinated through info wars yeah so i can't imagine alex taking this very lightly uh but we'll see but until then we have a website uh we do have a website it's knowledge fight dot com we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's addin all jumpers go fight and i go to bed jordan yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i'm darryl rundess and now here comes the sex robots andy and chanzas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love

your work i love you