Knowledge Fight - #678: July 29-30, 2003

Episode Date: May 9, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan take a little breaky to see how things were going in the past. In this installment, Alex interviews two people with fun names, and depression sets in when Alex mentions how old he is. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George. Knowledge fight. Need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello Alex. I'm a Christian scholar. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. We are Dan Jordan Jordan. Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today Jordan is I recently had

to get something delivered by go puff. Okay. I've never used them before. I've never heard of what you're saying. It's like a delivery thing. They have a warehouse and they have like all kinds of like Sudafed or you know meds if you need them. Oh that's great. Things you could get at a convenience store but maybe you know it's an hour that you can't get them where you don't want to go. Fantastic. Also have booze and some grocery items. I don't know. I'm not this isn't a plug. No, no, no. I'm not. I'm not worried. I understand the concept setting this up because otherwise this will make no sense why this is a bright spot. Okay. So I needed to get this and I was looking over what they had in stock and

available and I saw something and I was like, well, this is the coolest thing I've ever seen. And so I ordered Bum, Bum, Bum, Bum. Monster, Monster Mash cereal. Monster Mash cereal. Boo berry. Yes. Frankenberry. Count Chocula, the mummy with the thing and then the werewolf. Oh shit. It's all of the monster cereals. They have finally got together and they're jamming as a band. It's got the history. 71. Count Chocula and Frankenberry. 72. Boo berry. 74. His name is fruit, fruit, fruit, fruit, fruit. Yup. All right. Then yummy mommy obviously. And then of course in 2021, the monsters reunite to mash. So we have three things that I think are important to bring up about this. The first is what month is

it? This is a Halloween kind of thing. It is early May. Yeah. This is definitely not in season. Well, and you might notice also it's 50 years. It's the 50th anniversary of the monsters getting together. Yes. And you notice you read over this 1971. Yes, sir. This is from last Halloween. It is the last Halloween. Quite a quite shelved cereal, which is of the older variety. Yeah, that's great. So I ate it and I found something really like telling about this and that is like one of these things is not like the others. Okay. And it does not belong in there. I'm going to go with fruit, broot. No. Count Chocula. Oh, all the rest of them are fruit based cereals. You can't just have fruit based cereal. Yes,

you can. The chocolate element in there. I challenge you to eat this cereal. I don't mean that. That sounds disgusting. I wouldn't want chocolate. I love a chocolate covered strawberry or something. Sure. It does not work in the cereal form. So Count Chocula. Go fuck. Go solo. You don't need to be in the band. Vampires don't really team up with people either. No, they're pretty solo, solo hunters, independent creatures, the vampires, except for Renfields as we've learned. Renfields. Well, yeah, but Renfields are disposable. True. True. So what's your right spot? My right spot is Dan. You know, you know that I love the Tennis's true love the Rafa's right. My favorite player. Obviously like that guy who is really

into being anti-vax in Australia. No, I don't. I don't like Djokovic. And what's cool is that over the past three days, a 19 year old kid did something that hasn't been done for like 20 years. What's that? He beat Rafa, Djokovic, and then Zverev back to back to back. He beats Zverev. I mean, that one wasn't exciting. That's not even a name. I know. Exactly. You talk about tennis a lot. I don't even know that name. Yeah, he sucks. Okay. I mean, he's in the top ten, but he sucks. Compared to your boy. No, I mean, he's just soft. He's weak. He's callow. He's soft. Wow. But this 19 year old kid, Spanish kid from Spain, right, looked up to Rafa's entire life. Rafa won a major when this kid was two years old. Right. Right. All right. So he beats him.

Now Rafa's injured. He's coming off a bad injury. He's got a terrible foot injury because he's Rafa, and that's just how he does things. So then he comes back and he plays Djokovic the next day. Three sets, three and a half hours, man. This was some of the best tennis anybody's ever played. This kid's 19 years old. And you know what I was thinking, Dan? What's that? My entire adult life, I've had a Spanish Adonis to look up to. And Rafa's going to retire soon. Wow. But guess what? The chain remains unbroken, my friend. As God closes the door, he opens the window. That's another Spanish Adonis window. Yeah. Well, congratulations. I'm glad you have that to look forward to for the next 20 years. The potential of this guy. It will be. It's amazing. Well, the kid's amazing.

That's great. Yeah. I will note that for my bright spot, I had a prop and you did. You did. Well, I mean, I could have hit you with a tennis ball, but I don't think you would have hit me with a racket next time. You were the racket. Yeah. I assumed you wanted a guitar. No. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over and I think that maybe one of the more notable things that's come out in info wars world in the past. Since we've had an episode is the little bit audio of Paul Joseph Watson being a real racist. I've heard that he might be a racist. And you know what? I don't care. And it's not because I don't care. It's because this is only him saying the things that we've already known. He's been expressing pretty much his entire career

and through info wars. So we're not going to cover that at all. And actually it has led me to descend to the past. Smart move. I need a break from Alex's present day bullshit. Break from the present day period. Yeah. So we're going back to 2003 and we're going to be talking about July 29th and 30th back in 2003. All right. Very interesting stretch of time. I think we find some wacky characters and some silly nonsense. But before we get to that, though, Jordan, let's take a little moment. Say hello to some new walks. So first congratulations, Joe and Michaela on your dreamy, creamy wedding. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Congratulations to thank you. Next Nikki in California. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Eric.

I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you so much. Next cabal killer girl. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Fuck the beer in your horses you rode in on. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Next Brian Stelter from the future. Send back to stop Alex before it's too late. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. I'd watch that movie. Thank you. I think it would be pretty good. I think it would be pretty good. And it would be predictive program. It would be very predictive. Next one dreamy, creamy summer. Thank you so much. You're now a

policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And finally at Duncan for SC on Twitter as fellow Daniel Duncan is running for the house in South Carolina. All right. I don't know enough to endorse political candidates. We don't endorse political but I looked at his Ballopedia page and it seems like he has some good answers to the question seems like he has some so if you're in South Carolina check him out and see if he's a candidate you'd be interested in. Thank you so much. Daniel Duncan. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. So Jordan we start off. Yes. July 29th 2003. That's Wednesday to be. It might be. I don't know. I'm not sure on the calendar. But here's where we start off. We have the founder of Global

Research Magazine. He is a political science and history professor. Michael Chosadoski joining us from Canada in the next hour. Now a couple of days ago he wrote detailed breakdown of the lies and the fraud and we don't know what lie is the big lie or what the truth is. We just know we're being lied to concerning the Saddam sons the two brothers Tweedledum and still think you're being lied to still. Well I believe we're living with their father in Belarus. I believe the Russian and Iranian newspapers before I believe the Pentagon. I'm sorry. That's just the crack record at least on the issues that are embarrassing the certain elements of the globalist camp I do. OK. Well maybe that's a bad policy. Yeah. So this is a fascinating guest to see pop up here in the

past because it's the first time that he's been on but it's not fascinating for the reasons that it might first appear. The reason it's interesting to see Michael Chosadoski is because he's not someone who's still a regular on Alex's show but should be. For a while Chosadoski made frequent appearances with Alex because in many ways he's an ideal guest. Beginning in 2001 Chosadoski founded the Center for Research on Globalization and from that point on has been responsible for one of the websites that disseminates a gigantic portion of the anti-globalization conspiracy content that's on the Internet. Global research research.ca. We'll get more into him when he shows up on the show but for now suffice it to say when I heard that this is the first time that him and Alex

and Chosadoski's passes their paths crossed my ears perked up. Of course I was kind of underwhelmed eventually but it's well it's this is the case in all info wars origin stories kind of but it's notable as hell. Yes this is a big like I guess maybe it's not a big deal but it's consequential in terms of like the paths that these two would end up going. You know like with global research.ca being like a gigantic conspiracy clearing house and then Alex being from 2003 onward becoming such a luminary of the conspiracy media. The overlap of their influences is yeah it's huge. It's historical. Yeah I wouldn't go that way. Maybe only for us. Yeah so look these these Saddam's kids yes they were shown with facial reconstruction that was done because they were

obviously because they were yes quite mutilated in the course of the U.S. actions in killing them and so in order to make them look more convincing right to people right which I mean we can debate whether or not that was a great idea for for the people to do right they were given some you know reconstructive surgery and Alex believes that they look like folks from a bad wax museum. Well that's probably true though but Alex is an expert on these matters. Oh I did not know that. Here they are it looks like something at the low end wax museum because my parents would drag me all over the country what and on on on road trip vacations like national lampoons and you'd be in a big city and go to the wax museum and be pretty nice but you know the little town

that had the old wax museum and the wax figures didn't look very good and you know maybe the nose was falling off of one that's what these look like the bad wax museums I've been to it so Alex is a noted scholar in the realm of relative quality of wax museums apparently he just tell me that a lot of his childhood was spent driving around to different towns tasting their wax museums well to see metaphorically metaphorically tasting metaphorically tasting yes of course uh yeah I think so I mean look when I was younger I went we did a lot of road trip vacations as well sure you drive to California to see our family every summer of course and we lived in

Missouri so is Missouri to California and long drive very long oh yeah and we'd camp every night so we take make a meal out of the right and totally you know you'd go like one year you'd maybe take a straight shot through the middle right and then that's boring to do again you can't do it so you take different paths you go different way yeah we stopped at some bullshit stuff like wall drug there's a cavern somewhere everywhere every time you drive somewhere west sooner or later there's going to be sign this like caverns and you just go to yeah the world's largest pecan that's where you go yeah you have to yeah it's america um but yeah I don't I my experience looking back on it is definitely not like hey uh I know all about wax museum or anything there's

maybe it's just the case that like Alex's parents were like deeply into wax museums yeah that does sound like a a detail that should be shared if it is true if because what there's no way look we've we've been on road trips yeah we're from the midwest you road trip out here the idea of going to like any of those stopover things where world's largest but and then being like okay well now we're going east so we got to find and compare the world's largest but over there to the one from the wet no I think you see them I think a more likely thing is that Alex went to one wax museum when he was a kid and now he's exaggerating that to create an area of specialization probably but god I also want him to be an expert on wax music yeah me too yeah we're really over

thinking we are a little bit so we get to in this next clip Alex is kind of introducing his main narrative that's going to take over this episode but he's also really all over the place they have learned that if something is hidden in plain view now and they just say it's normal that the general public doesn't have a moral base or compass and will accept it as good and wholesome we have now entered Orwellian double-think world just now people can't even engage in critical thinking on average and so they announced that we're going to have a betting system similar to the Chicago mercantile exchange run by the Pentagon and controlled and founded and the architects are constructed by DARPUB the folks of the all sing I pyramid total

information awareness network that won't watch you and your family run by the convicted felon admiral boindexter involved in you know all the trafficking of goodies into the country and out of the country while the goodies that MTV promote just a nice fellow what there's I was thinking about this this morning there's no way to even try to describe this properly it's so horrible he's just rambling all over the place there's a betting market of some sort and I can't finish this fucking sentence yeah so I'll just clarify what he's talking about thank you this is Alex reporting that the government is setting up a literal casino style betting pool where these elites and defense contractors can gamble on coming wars and countries collapsing that sounds

great what he's describing is called PAM or the policy analysis market for intelligence and guess what he's actually not far off from reality naturally there's some important caveats to make and one of the first and I think the most important is well expressed in a paper by Robert Looney in the journal strategic insight quote because DARPA is mandated to take on risky projects failures have occurred sometimes the projects they embark on are a little bit wacky and this policy analysis market is one such example sure to be clear this project was abandoned around the time of this episode of alex's show and it never actually existed but the thinking behind it isn't actually as macabre and as evil as it might initially sound the basis for this idea was that

for years futures markets have been used as a predictor of societal unrest and other sorts of geopolitical issues again from this strategic insights article quote the use of petroleum futures contract prices is an example of the manner in which traders gaged the likely outcome of events such as the u.s naval response to iraq's invasion of kuwait in 1990 in a like manner the movement of petroleum futures prices in late march 2003 after the recent iraq war began reflected the implications traders drew concerning the outcome of the conflict falling rapidly in the first few days of the conflict but rising again after it became apparent the iraqi regime would not fall in a matter of days the goal of this policy analysis market wasn't so much about

allowing elites to gamble on geopolitical conflict because in a roundabout way they already can and do it was about giving the u.s intelligence agencies market-based ways to trade on different potential events which it was theorized might provide signals that could be interpreted like is already done with sudden movements in commodity futures markets right so they were trying to create i guess capitalism based virtual reality system whereby they can predict using the data of who's buying and selling what whether or not they're going to go to war well sort of but not not exactly like a not like whether or not they're going to go to war sure like trying to predict potential coming trouble destabilization in in areas right but it also like there's there's also

very important elements like it wasn't supposed to be about anyone getting rich and it wouldn't have been a vehicle for that they had a cap on a hundred dollars for bets and only 1000 expert traders were even participated in this uh invited to participate initially now i'm i'm saying that the underlying idea here makes some sense from just like a conceptual standpoint but please do not take that to be me saying this was a good idea no it obviously something that could go wrong in about a thousand different ways and even leaving that aside it seems like it's in very poor taste the world already has a earned bad image of organizations like the cia they don't need to add the already bad optics that they have uh to like they're gambling on whether or not a

particular government will fall that they might be involved in destabilizing right right it's a disaster yeah yeah like going back they were like oh man we lost a ton of money on Haiti they got free shit right it yeah there's there's so many things that just look shitty about that even though the system didn't appear to have the ability to be rigged in some particular way just just like you were saying the optics would be a disaster it would be a complete mess and i suspect that that's part of the reason why it never moved forward yeah yeah now alex is not recognizing or maybe he doesn't even know or whatever uh that that's not moving forward this is this is pretty much dead in the water by this point in late july i mean what's great about it though is that it does

have that kind of evil global policy that you're looking for if you are fighting against the global you bet you know like that's so great that's such a super villain ass plot it's well it it's not but it looks like well i mean it looks like it's callous as hell it is it is i think what makes it super villain-esque to me is more that there are like a million better ways to do the thing that you're trying to achieve by setting this evil thing up you know like i understand that the goal you have right there you would hope that there would be a way for like people who have expert opinions to have some sort of conglomerated uh like intelligence that they put together right doesn't involve putting a hundred bucks on somebody's death but the reason that that seems to be

like a worthwhile thing is because then there is incentive for them not to just make random guesses understand completely like i get the thought process there but again the goal you're attempting to achieve can be achieved without doing those the evil thing sure sure and this is where we dovetail back into that idea about darpa having like these risky weird ideas that sometimes are like that's that's terrible we can't do science right when you're saying that there's like a better way to do this that's probably taken as granted yeah no that's their idea this is a possibility what about this maybe this would work yeah so anyway it didn't work and it didn't happen um but uh alex gets to defining the new world order in this next clip you'll notice that satan is missing

what is what is the new world order taking notes well it is a ancient society a university of confidence men of king rats of con artists and they take all the skills of the carnival barker the strategy of an alexander the great or julius caesar the victorialic mass mind control of an adolf hitler the ruthless cunning of a joseph stalin you stop taking notes and bloodthirsty nature of a pole hot yeah i stopped in this con mixed with the advertisement pitch men and madison avenue psychiatrist and psychologist rolled into a computerized system of of testing probabilities overlaid with university sociologist and anthropologist integrated and tested by mass focus groups

and that's the new world order a criminal society owning the dominant media conditioning you selling a change in the society a shift to the destruction of the family the annihilation of the second amendment the termination of private property and sovereignty and borders and it's their own stated goals no satan no no it also seems pretty different than like how you describe things i mean that's not even that's not even like world economic forum stuff that's just like a bunch of like the world economic forum could conceivably be mixed up in there but certainly you know that's class Schwab's name's not coming up no no no and it's an ancient university of con artists hell yeah but in what world is this a new world

order it's just the order yeah yeah there's no there's nothing new about it i think there's some similarities to how he describes things in the present day but there's like foundational differences yeah as he's telling it in 2003 though that makes total sense kind of like if he wants to pitch this he's an extreme rewing ideologue so he's railing against this new world order he's imagined to attack and help explain social progress to his audience it's not that society decided that living by rigid christian doctrine is not fair to people who aren't christian it's it's not that society realized that members of minority groups deserved equal rights these things are just the new world order tricking people they're lying to you they're con artists yes

it is wise to choose as your main enemy the thing you embody the most because you're the most familiar with it you know like oh this ancient university of con artists i know how they think you know i i know how they because because i went to an ancient university of artists well because he's a con artist okay yeah it's really critical that alex be able to present uh people having different politics to him in this kind of fashion as they're being tricked because the audience needs to be reassured that they're right it's really hard to make a coherent argument for a lot of alex's political positions so his audience probably couldn't handle that kind of lifting and instead of requiring to do uh them to do that you can create an overpowered bogeyman who's

manipulating everyone who disagrees with them into having the positions that they have you don't even need to come up with a reason to think they're wrong because the truth of your position is self-evident there's just some evil cabal of king rats from an ancient university trick them into thinking that it's great it's a it's a cheat why would i argue with you if you're coming to me having been tricked by these people now obviously one downside of that is when i do argue with you i have to then remember that i have a position as well instead of just ignoring yours and if i were to do that oh boy i would remember that i do not have a very good position at all well your position is counter to that of the king rat uh uh truth university con artist truth and that's no good

great so alex like i said most of this episode is him talking about this policy analysis market that uh doesn't doesn't exist but he has a lot of fears about it and one of them is that terrorists could bet on their own terrorist acts that's that's fucking pete rose so you just give up no i don't care anymore i'm going to the golf course and when you do that they win folks they have come out and they have announced betting private betting on what type of terrorist attacks gonna take place and and of course a bunch of people pointed out that this is quote insane this is crazy how could you be doing this they're going ahead with it no they're not because terrorists will blow stuff up and then make money off the put options off betting on it beforehand you're the first person to

think about let's say you were gonna control with your mobile trucks that you've had for 30 years a couple of jets into the world trade centers uh and let's just say you had the power to order nor add to stand down and shut down and as a smokescreen you could say it was a drill that morning of uh flying hijacked jet airliners into buildings so you could tell everybody it was just a drill stand down for an hour and a half as the transponders had been turned off normally would have scrambled fleets of f-16s and let's just say you knew this was going to happen a week before why you could put put options you of course you put record put options on american and united so there's a couple problems with what alex is suggesting here the first is that terrorists would

not have access to this betting market that a DARPA had proposed i don't understand why wouldn't terrorists be able to go into the DARPA market that would be a very bizarre notion to allow some kind of terrorist insider trade a list come on get in here come on the second problem is that alex is seemingly suggesting that one hundred dollar bets in a very limited betting pool be lucrative enough to be a motive for someone within our government to carry out 9 11 record put options well that's actually about something else and we'll get to that in a second all right but alex's idea just seems incredibly stupid and his next thought almost entirely illustrates why there's already a ton of futures markets that you can make much larger put or call options on so if you

actually were acting with some kind of foreknowledge of a coming terrorist attack you could do exactly the thing alex is already ranting about you would do it in the regular stock market where people would give you lots of money afterwards also just as a reminder alex believes is a matter of definitive fact that the planes at 9 11 were remote controlled at this point which i'm sure he would not defend nowadays if pressed on it although i'd be interested in having rogan ask him about it yeah yeah that would be fun so about that like record put options he's talking about a conspiracy about insider trading regarding united and american airlines prior to 9 11 and so there were actually some trading patterns in united and american stock that seemed suspicious in the days prior to the attack

and alex has decided just to report that this was people who knew that 9 11 was coming and they were trying to profit off that foreknowledge one major question had to do with irregular purchases on september 6th and 10th the 9 11 commission investigated the actual trades that were made which constituted an unusually high load of put options and found that this was the result of quote a single us-based institutional investor with no conceivable ties to al-qaeda purchasing 95 percent of the united puts on uh september 6th as part of a trading strategy that also included buying 115 000 shares of american on september 10th highly suspicious trading on its face yet further investigation has revealed that the trading had no connection to 9 11 right right right so that

kind of explains that stuff right right additionally a us-based options trading newsletter had recommended people trade on american in a letter that they sent to subscribers on september 9th which added to the irregularity of trade volume on september 10th as with almost everything alex uses as proof of his conspiracy theories he has the appearance of something suspicious and that's about it he never takes the time to consider alternative explanations and when information comes out that calls his conclusions into question he ignores it and he pretends that he's been right all along when in fact he's just been making shit up yeah if someone did have foreknowledge of a coming terrorist attack there are financial mechanisms that already exist that

they could try to exploit to profit from that knowledge however they're likely going to leave some kind of a trail and that could be a problem later well now analyzed now you would say that you would say that but we do have very obvious recent evidence that suggests as long as you're a senator you can do that shit all day in public and everybody will know it's you and you'll walk away scot-free with more millions than you had yesterday there are some issues well i mean that whole pandemic thing made it a little bit too obvious i i i do i do agree that there are are some real problems there that need to be ironed out and i'm not going to go so far as to say hey you'd get you definitely get caught and in trouble if you know these things nope but i do

think that if you were a terrorist if you were a terrorist i don't think you'd get away with it and the notion that you could do that kind of insider trading stuff within this proposed policy analysis market is just nonsense the the problem mainly i have with the argument is that it would be almost impossible to make it easier to inside trade anywhere other than the current stock market that we have right now why would the military make something that would be easier to cheat on than the thing that they have made so available to cheat on it's it's in some ways if you're looking to profit off insider information that you may have it's a redundancy to create something like this absurd uh also just because it's fun the day before this episode two democratic senators

ron wyden and byron dorgan held a press conference leading opposition against the creation of this policy analysis market right this ultimately led to the project being abandoned so it's important to recognize that alex only knows about this story because democrats and congress spoke out against it and the driving force for it not coming into existence was opposition that started in left-wing political circles right so the devil didn't want it to exist right so maybe alex should be supporting so alex should be supporting it oh man oh it's crazy almost like his politics are incoherent it doesn't think it does it's almost like they don't even matter right so alex it just believes that with the 9 11 uh united and american insider trading that he

believes happened yeah uh that's proof that uh like really reinforces his conspiracy about this new proposal and i guarantee you they said look we it came out the news we did insider trading top government people did cia did on united american why not just institutionalizing do it right in front of them they'll buy anything so this is how alex builds fantasy stories out of his bad information base he's decided that he's proven the people in the cia did insider trading on american in united before 9 11 though he hasn't proven that at all he has a couple of suspicious facts that he can point to which he's decided on an explanation for with no evidence as it turns out his explanation was wrong but he's used that incorrect explanation to create a background for this new conspiracy

about the policy analysis market because these folks got away with insider trading on 9 11 which they didn't they decided to institutionalize that insider trading through this market which they weren't doing this is an important dynamic in alex's conspiracies oftentimes the things he's saying are built on multiple levels of non-existent foundation i think this is an underappreciated style of how alex is often wrong he's like three levels deep into being wrong and that's just acceptable on his show because the things he make up makes up they appeal to the audience's emotional needs yeah he reminds me of uh what douglas adam said about uh um what's the name of the corporation i can't remember but it is that their superficial design flaws uh make you so

angry that they cover over their fundamental design flaws so you forget you're so mad about all the things that they're shitty at you forget why you're you should be mad at how deeply shitty it is you know it's it's almost like a smoke screen like he's wrong in so many superficial ways you you're like oh well i've got that so you don't even dig deeper to find out how he's wrong in like 16 different ways yeah and i think in some ways that kind of uh describes a lot of the the sort of public perception of alex's show like there's a lot of like very surface level things that are obviously infuriating yeah and that takes up a lot of the criticism all of your space yeah uh as opposed to recognizing that there is a internal uh just foundational problem with the things that

he reports and expresses it basically how he does his show yeah that is sometimes missed exactly um so alex has a clip that he describes from hardball i don't think this happened and of course gary hart has already said at the cfr that cleveland dollison denver so i guess go place your bets in the next year they're gonna get hit by the way he he he said new york was gonna get hit he started laughing on hardball three months before 911 he said tall tall buildings oh tall you know and first matt he started lying and rudman hit heart in the arm with his elbow and it was a moment of sharing in a sick fashion right out in front of you i tell you it's so sick i can't find the actual video of this claimed hardball appearance but i do know that after 911 hart did make appearances

with chris mathews discussing a paper he released in january 2001 called the roadmap for national security it was a product of a committee that he co-chaired with warren rudman and the conclusion that they came to was that we weren't prepared at all for the possibility of an attack within the united states they were clearly wrong hart was very public about his concerns prior to 911 so i don't exclude the possibility that he went on hardball and discussed this but i don't believe at all alex's interpretation of this yeah i would be interested in seeing that i'd be crazy it'd be like if somebody at the cdc was like ah we're not ready for a pandemic be nuts be nuts or something all of them what every single one of them since uh since before we were born yeah yeah that's

probably proof that they were gonna just cause a pandemic it's always their fault yep so alex says uh so earlier we heard him talking about the new world order and the devil wasn't involved but now get this he's back in the devil might be involved because i know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely and i know jesus christ said that the governments of the world are held under the sway of the dark wine and his children so that still could come off as kind of metaphorical sure it's pretty close it's interesting though it you know it's an example of him hinting that he's fighting the literal devil yeah also alex didn't give a citation for this in the bible so i'm gonna have to assume that he's referring to luke chapter four where

jesus is tempted in the wilderness verses five through seven say quote and the devil taking him into a high mountain showed to him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time and the devil said unto him all this power will i give thee and the glory of them for that is delivered unto me and to whomsoever i will give it if thou therefore it will worship me all shall be thine that's all good and well but this is a naive and shallow interpretation of that passage to conclude that the devil actually has control of all these kingdoms you have to remember the characters at play here and that the number one trait ascribed to the devil is that he's a liar oh that's right according to john chapter eight verse 44 quote when he lies he speaks his native

language for he is a liar and the father of lies that would be what he would do by believing that the devil controls all these governments alex is buying into the devil's lie that he was using to try to tempt jesus into worshiping him alex is entirely missing the point of this verse and that misinterpretation seems to actually be kind of a central cornerstone of his worldview because outside of that stuff jesus seems pretty okay with governments well i mean frankly in in alex's mind i feel like alex if he were in jesus's situation would be like oh sweet i'll take it i'd then devil the devil would be like aha i i didn't actually have it and he's like you told me you had it are you telling me that you lied to me what the devil that's not

something you do but we had a thing man i signed everything in blood and shit you did that and there's an ironic twist god damn it typically the devil is a straight up uh wait wait wait are you telling me that when i got everything i wished for perhaps i should have been more careful about what it was that it was i was with of all the rules of the universe the globalists have to tell you what they're doing in advance yep and the devil has to operate in good faith obviously obviously these are just the truth these are just the way you view the world man i really think it's weird to take the devil at first value every time especially considering every single thing the devil does in any context of biblical stories or anything even

extra biblical stories yeah involves a lie yeah it's all lies i mean you know that's what's funnier about that is that that reminds me more of the fucking chaos magician who was like well you know that the devil is in control over all the earth and all that stuff and you're like wait oh shit alex is a chaos magician probably not fuck he's he's definitely weird now so alex goes to some calls and he gets some bad news from a caller about this uh DARPA project policy analysis market john and england go ahead you're on the air hi there alex guess what they've already cancelled it bbc news is reporting that the pentagon have already cancelled this ridiculous game that means it'll be doubled in funding with our one month guaranteed as they're following past uh parameters

and patterns this is a bit embarrassing that's the way to do it as on the one hand this caller is telling alex at the thing that he's been yelling about for like an hour doesn't exist anymore so none of that really meant anything but on the other hand it's even worse because the way alex tries to salvage some kind of meaning out of his show is to predict that the program will be back with doubled funding within a month he guarantees it this didn't happen and it goes down in history is just one of the million examples of predictions that alex has gotten wrong while pretending that his predictions are based off a pattern uh that his imaginary enemies engage in and he's right 95 of the fucking time alex that thing you said was gonna happen it's not even close to happening

that means it's gonna double happen i guarantee it yeah cool good work so i'll another thing alex is wrong about yeah he continues to be wrong about dr david kelly the weapons inspector who uh took his own life recently now is it gonna take 21 years for them to figure out go back and exume david kelly's body and maybe find out he didn't slash his wrist or well within within eight hours of finding him they said it's official it's a suicide no foul play we're not investigating and the guy's sending emails around saying i'm gonna get my good name back i can't wait to get back to iraq and i mean they obviously killed kelly talks about dark actors i mean the dark actors arounding people mistreating him threatening him well i want to say it on the record i would

never commit suicide and i have been threatened by dark actors and and and and if they're gonna kill me they're gonna have to say they killed me or some car jacker did it's not gonna be alex jones committed suicide alex do you think anyone who cuts their wrist would ever lie face down because i can't see that lightly well it's obvious what they grabbed him shot him up with a hypo full of barbetowitz threw the pills out slit his wrist laid him out there waited till he was dead and left yeah well quite simply it stinks and it stinks like just about everything else going on right now uh hey what type of extremists are you so alex has created a full on story uh based on nothing which is fun yeah uh disrespectful a little bit yeah also alex has

been threatened by dark actors dark actors who vincent price what are you talking about absolutely the house on haunted hell who's who's threatening you alex i will come for you bullshit so alex brings in uh michael chasadovsky and uh they get to talking about uh the policy analysis market i wonder if vincent price could pronounce michael chasadovsky i think it would be tough i think it's tough for alex too because he says chasadovsky uh but i think that there's a v in there oh i think it's chasadovsky but i mean it's close anyway now here's they have to say about pam and they're gonna bet on what us city's gonna get hit by north korea and then they get the money and we do get hit why do you think they announced this are they totally delusional and now on nero or

caligula like power trips up there uh professor well i i think they've announced it because they want to have people invest in this venture in other words people you know people on on the main street u s a who say wow i'm going to put my savings into this what obviously people who are investing in what to have no inside knowledge of when and where these political assassinations and and war plans are going to occur uh will of course lose their lifetime savings that is the agenda but they have to they have to make a public announcement so that they can start having people investing that's such a bizarre uh interpretation of this like first of all i mean it never ends up happening but it never was designed to be something for like public betting because that would ruin the

intelligence value of the whole point of it yeah you'd again have just random ass guesses yeah that just yeah we're taking like long bets like oh this is a long shot but maybe i'll get big yeah it's uh that's dumb they clearly don't know what they're talking about i mean and and also that's not mince words if this guy was saying something alex didn't like you would do a very disrespectful impression of him oh yeah oh yeah oh yeah i mean god the idea that he he's like okay well the first thing i see here is that obviously normal people are going to bet their life savings on whether or not say seapochetic murders another aldo morrow you're gonna lose the farm and then they've got nothing it's gonna be like it's like though it's like this is about ruining the middle

class don't you understand what it's like if uh when archdute furdan and got assassinated it did everybody everybody went broke like immediately the markets crashed yeah they were like well that was we we'd bet all our money on him living yeah they everyone was very bullish on the ottoman empire exactly they were like ha they're gonna stick around forever nope uh yeah so i think that's a little silly and it sets the tone of like maybe you guys aren't really discussing things in in reality yeah and turns out uh joss adofsky also thinks that uh david kelly was murdered i think of course the the the issue of david kelly's so-called suicide which uh is yet to be established uh points to uh a much broader issue it it it it's it

it may well also be a political assassination and uh and uh it's clear that david kelly uh had information which uh if made public uh in a in a british parliamentary committee could of course lead to the to the downfall of of tony blare's government yeah so strong insinuations he was murdered to silence him from taking tony blare yeah all right whatever makes sense um this next clip i don't really think that it's you know super hard hitting but i think it illustrates uh a point that i want to drive home okay do you see my concern with how they are overtly lying now and doing corrupt things and not caring that shows and and you're a professor you know of history and political science that shows kind of the delusional thing we've seen with

stalin and and hitler or caligula i mean do you expect bush to marry uh his horse or something in the near future i mean have we reached that type of roman emperor insanity because i'm seeing a lot of signs of that well you know i i for one don't believe that bush is the ultimate power behind this uh this project oh yeah he's obviously a puppet yeah he is a puppet so there's a couple important points here yeah the first is that no matter what's happening at any point in time and no matter what happened prior alex will always believe that the globalists are becoming so much more open in their treachery there's so much more evil than they were before it didn't used to be like this just yesterday they were less evil than they are today i just everything

crystallized for me last night i was up for 67 000 hours straight yeah this is to create the appearance of immediacy in the audience taking advantage of their recency bias this is the same reason that in the present day alex calls everything that happens the globalists main attack on one level it's to keep people excited and engaged but it also serves another purpose and that's to distract people from the things you've recently been wrong about the other thing i think is illustrated by this clip is how easily alex goes off message he's trying to play that game of like the globalists are really wilding out this time he and he forgets that he's not supposed to think the bush is actually in charge in a tyrant so he's such painting him as caligula

then chastadosky has to come in and remind him that they're supposed to be an evil cabal in charge of things right there isn't like an actual public facing tyrant buddy stick to the script let's go he just forgets his own mythology at times when it starts feeling good to to paint things in a certain way i mean it's more exciting to start talking about bush as a caligula that's a great day totally that's a great day you'd be like hey bush fuck to a horse today now what's going on bringing up marrying a horse is always good for always fun yeah yeah so i think i think those are important things to recognize about alex that no matter what period of time you're in the globalists are really doing it this time yeah oh they're coming for us everything the game has holy shit the

worm has turned i remember when i was a kid the globalists they were at least polite about how he yeah you know but now they're just flaunting it in our faces before they would hide it but now no oh man you never used to see people spit on the sidewalk now you see it all the time cigarette butts oh it's a nightmare yeah so chasadoski uh in this next clip kind of reveals something that i think is a way into understanding uh what his his shit is all about they're saying that they want to go ahead and invade north korea it's obvious professor they're trying to escalate north korea into making a first move just like they have the 10 part plan to get the japanese to attack us 10 parts well absolutely and there again i think uh the the whole question of north korea what was

behind this whether it was because there was a whole there was a there was an agreement which was signed between uh between the two governments uh and in fact uh it's not north korea which is really uh a threat to to world security or to security in the korean peninsula in the united that's really where you see some of the tendencies of chasadoski his website paints itself as an anti globalization research outlet but the larger reality is that they're just kind of anti us it's all good and well to have robust criticisms of the us and our foreign policy past and present but it's another thing to make wide-ranging and exaggerated claims about the united states while giving a pass to other countries that are doing fairly similar things or you know worse yeah

for instance global research was a major player in spreading russian-based propaganda both uh in the sphere of pushing pro Assad narratives regarding russia's involvement in syria and in terms of the flow of every conspiracy involving hillary in the 2016 election of course they do basically the same kind of thing alex does which is to say that they take outlandish stuff and then give it a slick presentation that allows it to be more easily disseminated to unsuspecting viewers they give the appearance of credibility and research to conspiracy bullshit to give you some kind of idea of the content they're putting out a 2020 state department investigation found quote global research published or republished seven authors attributed by facebook to be false online personas

created by the main directorate of the general staff of the armed forces of the russian federation popularly known as the gru all right so that's kind of sloppy nonsense that's going on there that's set they put published seven authors who didn't exist a total of over 180 articles by these fake people that were just russian intelligence assets using fake names wow that's a win that's a win staying on the russia tip chasadovsky recently was making the rounds blaming the united states for russia invading ukraine because that's kind of his constant drumbeat right beyond that global research had some really incredibly shitty content over the years recently in 2020 they published an article titled china's corona virus a shocking update did the virus originate in the

united states this article was tweeted out by the spokesperson for the chinese foreign ministry and though it's not based on any actual true information it became part of a large pr campaign and conspiracy theory against the united states of course now there is a little bit of a caveat that should be given and that is that in the larger picture of global research's website they also do cover a lot of stories that relate to countries that are often ignored by what you might call the mainstream media but there's a lot of other independent outlets that do that too and don't also traffic and rank information misinformation right right right when the content of a website is so shoddily produced and has such a clear slant even if they do have coverage of issues relating

to things like you know latin american countries that are often you know neglected it's pretty hard to trust that the reporting that you're getting is worth it and you should probably look somewhere that's what i would say but i do think it's worth like bringing up they're like yeah you know there are some things they might they might raise some issues sure that like are worth knowing about but you'd get better information about those issues elsewhere right yeah yeah overall chasodowski and global research are conspiracy peddlers that are in the business of presenting an anti-us and anti-western perspective as a anti-globalization message right that's the sort of sleight of hand that's being engaged in here and if i had to guess why chasodowski isn't on inforrs anymore

this is why like he and alex appeared to be on the same page and have heavy overlap but they're actually polar opposites like he's a strongly opposed to the west right right as alex fetishizes the west he is not stoked about americana nor does he feel that american lore is a good acceptable history probably not yeah probably not yeah i think that's a fundamental difference between them and maybe it took years for them to figure that out right because he's he's a pretty he's a fixture in a number of like later years of alex's show he's a regular guest sooner or later they got to the point where alex was like man i love america and he's like you know america's evil right and he's like get off my fucking show shit yeah um so the two of them uh start talking a little bit

about uh conspiracies about saddam's kids sure and uh the circumstances surrounding that and uh here's where we're at professor chasodosky you know you talk about why do they need helicopters and tanks and hundreds of troops well because the troops aren't bad the helicopter pilots aren't bad they're told saddam's sons are in there they've got to do that to kill and disfigure whatever patsy is inside so they can then send in the intelligence agency to come out dress up the burnt corpse and say oh look it's the brothers regardless of it is or isn't so we know that's why they did this whereas they could have just sent in a delta force team to wipe these guys out and shoot them and then bring them out this is all good fun but alex is just making stuff up out of

his imagination to try to justify his incorrect conclusion that the killing of saddam's son was uh sons was faked right this is one of those telltale arguments the people who aren't acting with uh goodwill will make he's saying that they only sent in helicopters and tanks so they would be able to disfigure these bodies enough to be able to claim that they were saddam's sons leaving aside that subsequent texts uh tests of dental records and past surgeries confirmed that they were saddam's sons and alex is totally wrong that's his theory that he's running with now let's imagine a scenario where some troops just went in to try to capture or kill them and they ended up in a bad situation let's imagine that maybe a couple of soldiers were killed and

that saddam's kids got away in that situation you could easily come up with how that would be covered in alex's show you'd have the option of saying that the military should have sent in tanks and helicopters and that they didn't because they secretly wanted saddam's kids to get away right they're all in it together they're in Belarus that's the way there are other options about alex could go with it but the point is that with this narrative he has you coming and going there isn't an option that he can't turn into some kind of a conspiracy so you kind of just have to ignore his point it's not really that weird that they sent in tanks and helicopters and alex doesn't even actually think that he just knows that pretending that he thinks it's weird works to

strengthen the conspiracy that he has that the kids aren't really dead so he goes with that yeah it's convenience yeah yeah it is uh it's always great to listen to uh and then bang your head against a wall when people are making bad faith arguments that they don't even believe true true but that's our job yeah it is our job that's true that's why i have a replacement walls for you over there i have screamed a few down that's true you're uh you have like a psionic yes screams like a banshee i am i am essentially banshee for mortal combat so you want the last clip here from the uh 29th okay and it's chasadosky talking about his relationship with headlines a little different than alex's but maybe there's some similarities i think it it's it's the it's the

media which is actually misleading people because the headlines are misleading the headlines are lies and if you want to know the truth you have to read between the lines between the headlines you have to go to official documents you have to go on the internet and essentially there's a campaign of this information which is uh which is using the news chain uh to mislead people and they know they know that we are against the new world order let me give you an example of something i even got sucked into briefly big headline the feds want to tag all animals and tax them and track them under homeland security well i saw ridge say that and i saw ridge push that a year ago i know they have a plan to do that but then the feds come out and announce it uh but really it's a plan

to counter foreign beef and other foods uh to help our markets so they take a real story overlay it with a false one to use our energies to actually defeat something good uh it's very sophisticated well absolutely so i agree with chasadosky sort of uh and that you do have to read past headlines but i don't think that he's in the right place to be giving that advice like in four words is headline central i do take issue whether he probably means by reading between the lines because for alex that just means making things up which i don't think is a good part of news consumption also that story alex is telling is completely bizarre let me track his line of thought and then explain what i think is probably going on here okay okay thank you so alex says

the tom ridge and homeland security we're gonna tag uh tax and trace all livestock all of them and that he saw a big headline about it huge now in reality this was a campaign that would support domestic beef production but these globalists knew that alex and his community were so against the new world order that if they reported it in headlines about how it was about taxing and tracing all the livestock alex and his friends would be against it and they'd lead a charge to oppose the plan which is what the globalist wanted to begin with they wanted this good thing to be defeated right as opposed to just not proposing it right or something what i if i understand correctly alex is not realizing that what he's saying is that we are so fucking predictable

they know that if they put a headline on something we won't read the article and we'll just get mad immediately yep and he's telling on himself a little bit he's saying that like oh man they're so sophisticated as opposed to like oh we're simple dumb dumb they're so sophisticated that they trick us with shiny things in front of our faces they can hold up these jangly keys and we'll be like oh are those stars it's not fair it's oh how can we fight back so here's what i pretty sure actually happened okay in the executive order that bush signed forming the department of homeland security one of the responsibilities of the office was to quote coordinate efforts to protect united states livestock agriculture and systems for the

provision of water and food for human use and consumption from terrorist attacks because alex only reads sensational ass right wing conspiracy blogs i'm sure he saw a headline that reported that is the homeland security department announcing that they're going to tag tax and trace all livestock so that was the conclusion that he came to without looking any deeper into the subject alex repeated this narrative to his audience and tried to rally opposition to the protection of our livestock and agricultural systems from the threat of disruption then at some point alex must have realized that he was wrong so in order to save face and not have to admit that he's wrong and he's an idiot he pretended that the initial

headline he read was actually a globalist plot to trick him you know they knew that he was opposed to the new world order so they planned to that headline so he would oppose a good thing and further the globalists master plan right right right there's something so on brand about this like alex can admit that he's wrong about something but only when the reason he's wrong is that because there was a conspiracy against him to make him wrong i know but he doesn't realize that this makes him even more of a bumbling dope in the story it does and instead of him just well if you're paying attention well yeah i mean instead of him just to have it being somebody who reacted too quickly and who had a and who just threw something out there without

thinking about a knee jerk idiot instead he's not only a knee jerk idiot but he's implied that his pattern of behavior is so complete and predictable and and one dimensional right that it can be taken advantage of with zero effort on their part whatsoever instead of him making a mistake this is him being exploited because the only thing he does is make mistakes yep so um the the show does go on and chostowski is on for the rest of the show they take some calls and but things kind of get derailed by a caller who's like talking about how hey we always talk about what the united states is doing overseas and we know that's bad but why don't you give it up for the people who are trying to change things here and he keeps sort of hinting i think he's

talking about like militia right wing terrorist type folks i think that's what he's talking about yeah because he's being really insinuating and alex is really weird about it as opposed to getting mad at him i think alex can tell that's what he's signaling to yeah yeah i would have clips of it because it's very bizarre but it goes on for fucking ever and it never really materializes into anything you got to care about what the people here are doing okay see you got to care about okay see okay man see it might not be far off from that yeah but it's really bizarre and it goes on quite a while so we jump to the 30th and alex had chostowski on the 29th and he's got another exciting guest also with a name uh that's fun on this episode coming up in the next hour

we've got the founder and the head of the recall governor davis movement that was so successful in getting the 1.6 plus million signatures and the government was only able to throw out 300 thousand of those almost double the number that they needed to get the recall started were completed that is the signatures and so now it moves into the rest of the process and the candidates are prepared to square off and to find out who the new governor is going to be whether it's going to be a democrat or a neocon like arnold sports and anger or will it be one of the more conservative members of their legislature we'll find out from the folks that started it all in the next hour and this is important even if you don't live in california

because california is a globalist test state a model state for all the horrible systems they want to make mainstream in this country it's the system and that's why everybody hates more than new york more than boston more than florida even more than texas or mexico or colorada which are also model states for the new world order what states aren't programs are putting in so the guy's name is howard collogan howard collogan spoiler alert all right so yeah we got the guy who started a group that was gathering signatures to get great davis recalled he had some great bizarre guests on these these two days i'm very excited so the first thing that jumps out to me in this clip is that alex just described every place he doesn't like basically is where the globalists are testing

their system out and where he lives sure but he has some problems with austin of course like it's these states he doesn't like like california new york but his list is a little weird since it also includes boston which isn't a state well also texas which as you pointed out is where he lives and isn't a democrat area but he would have rather have said massachusetts and austin instead of texas and boston true they rhyme so that might have slipped him up that does happen it seems to me that what alex is driving at is that every state including boston is a globalist testing ground yeah basically yeah in the present day alex has moved that largely to other countries typically china is the place where globalists are testing things because they have a more repressive government and they aren't

russia so alex can use the image of their government to scare his audience into thinking that's what the globalists have planned for them right periodically whenever something catches on and you know right wing media circles he'll add other countries to the list of places that are globalist testing grounds for instance when the trucker convoys were going on in canada canada turned out to be like the biggest place where globalists are testing things out it's the number one testing ground and that's why they were there yep and when there were a lot of stories about covid protests in australia it just so happened that that was actually where the globalists did their trial runs of tyranny they have got a lot of trials going on so simultaneously yeah

everywhere in fact it's almost impossible to imagine how they organize everything maybe the earth is just they use a sauna uh i don't know what that is but i've seen commercials on youtube videos so this is just another feature of alex's presentation that's meant to sound deep and meaningful but it's actually just him talking shit that said in 2003 he's saying that these globalists are trying things out in states and also boston so i want to take a moment to point out that this is exactly what alex believes should be happening according to his version of federalism the states are basically laboratories where policies can be tested to see if they work that's a huge part of the thrust behind states rights the idea that if a state wants to experiment

with a particular policy the people can vote to do that more easily than they could if it were something that was being done on a federal level and if there's something that goes really wrong with the policy it's confined to that state it doesn't involve everybody in the country the results could then be evaluated in other states to be able to decide if they wanted to try it out too yeah if i were to pretend that alex's enemies were real and he's talking about something other than just left-leaning policies like welfare and anti-discrimination laws his point is still self-defeating according to his own philosophy these states should be testing out policies so people can see if they work like for example how colorado legalized weed and then in the past six years they've

brought in more than 1.6 billion additional dollars in tax revenue millions of which have gone to affordable housing dealing with the opioid crisis and improving schools both from a construction and from a program standpoint so test that seems to have worked seems to yeah alex believes that the states should be the place where political experiments happen except when those experiments are things that he doesn't like right and then it's the globalists who are doing a testing ground for tyranny and it is a good place to test things but if they are say if like another state is testing something that you don't want then you should orchestrate a decades-long campaign to overthrow the supreme court take it over and then insist upon controlling things everywhere that you

don't have control over much like uh making tax revenues from weed uh that seems to have worked yeah it does seem to have worked it does seem to so alex has a story that he missed uh yesterday and uh i'll tell you he doesn't get in depth on it but he's pretty gross i didn't even talk about this yesterday i should have but i got uh diverted off into other important issues public gay high school to open a new york city so now it's uh about where they remake your sexual orientation that's what the schools are about it's about black studies and homosexual studies and new world order studies it's not about reading writing and arithmetic it's about balkanizing america this is being done by design imagine starting a school and calling it the

heterosexual school i didn't know school was about sex much less uh what the homosexuals are up to so wow oh boy that's weird that is very weird so this is about harvey milk high school which was announced in 2002 as an alternative school that would cater to lgbtq students in new york city who are having difficulties in their public school settings due to things like bullying i think it's kind of natural to have some initial reaction to something like this and think that maybe this isn't the right solution to the problem like if bullying is the problem then stopping the bullying seems like the thing to do as opposed to creating a new public school for the students to go to but that's not as easy as we would like it to be stopping bullying is

hard yes so what if we did the point the thing where we just moved you out of the situation sure i mean i i think that it's a complicated conversation sure i don't yeah i don't know but according to the american educational research association as many as one in three lgbtq high school students ends up dropping out while the national average is a eight percent dropout rate and quote lgbtq students report that their main reason for dropping out of high school is constant bullying and harassment from other students right so this does seem like a possible solution to this problem how in god's name could they do this school is not about sex that's why whenever we have all male schools and all female schools that is okay but if there are different orientations

that maybe don't apply in those situations that's evil well actually you know what i don't know if i've ever heard alex talk about whether or not uh all male or all female schools are okay i think you'd be totally fine with it if they're private schools right but i don't know what you would think if it was public and i don't know if you would actually make a distinction between the two when he's ranting about something that's a good point but i do think that it would be a different conversation between the two and that's really the only reason why this has any relevant conversation around it at all because it's a public school right right all right um you know i mean at a certain point maybe we have to stop listening to what conservatives are saying about schools whenever

they're like see they're teaching stuff that's not reading writing an arithmetic and really understand that i think they're actually angry at the reading the writing in the arithmetic yeah i think so in the history yeah but i don't like it also i looked into it they don't have uh new world order studies no harvey milk so i also i so like i said i looked into this and it seems like the people who go there and work at harvey milk are enthusiastic about how important the school is and how it's a really positive learning environment according to the new york public schools information on their website they only had 59 enrolled students this past year and in the data going back to 2016 the highest of any year is 74 it seems like if this is a special location where people who would be having a terrible

time in high school can learn in peace i don't know really what the harm is none it's not like they have any different curriculum than any other high school and they're subject to the same reviews as any other school would by the board of regents and would have you also an important point here is that the school is not exclusively lgbtq anybody can attempt of course it's not it's not restricted make a restricted school so just from a very basic standpoint again alex shouldn't have a problem with this because it's the new york state board of education deciding to do this experimental program to see how it works and it seems like it's worked all right yeah since it's still open great there have been other attempts to create high schools that are generally geared

towards lgbtq students but they've not had as much success there was one planned here in Chicago back in 2008 but that fell through before it got off the ground pride school atlanta opened in 2016 but it closed in 2018 due to dropping enrollments but that one is interesting and a little bit different because it was a private school right so that had um you know sort of a different dynamic altogether right right right but yeah those those uh fell through whereas the harvey muck school has has endured you know that is such a great like point of view into the real id uh the real ideology behind there is it's not listen if you didn't want your every argument every conservatives ever made is like i don't want my kids learning with uh lgbtq students

i don't want them in that situation learning things that they couldn't okay fine so let's make a school for lgbtq students and then your kids won't have to deal with it uh no i want that school fucking closed too right i want it all taken from them in a hypothetical sense i agree with you that that is very revealing although i do think that it would be wise to caution away from even engaging with the thought initially of like let's put them in quotes all somewhere else because then you end up with segregated schools and i'm not talking of course you and i know that you and i both know what we're talking about i'm just clarifying that in case uh it sounds like that is a bridge worth no no no i'm i'm i'm i'm using this as an example i understand it's my job to be

over clarified sometimes of course but it is it is the case if you think that it's about them not wanting to learn about lgbtq issues with your students no no it's that they exist yeah yeah yeah you don't want them there and you don't want them there or here or yeah it's a mess they're you got so anyway alex is really really excited about this collogan coming on sure howard collogan collogan we do have howard collogan coming on collogan is the founder i think he's actually right he's actually right okay we call davis campaign so we'll find out the inner workings uh what the democrats are trying to do to derail this uh how they have uh one of their top agents michael savage uh one of the top beatnik agents uh in there who say he may run as an independent which will

then ensure that a liberal democrat or liberal republican gets elected yeah so michael savage is one of the democrat top operatives it's so funny how we jump back and forth between this time period because every single time i'm always like michael savage is a top democrat oh wait no i remember now i remember where we are in the storyline i'm caught up you know he's not a legend of the patriot community it has been for years no he's like i it's a long-haired beatnik who's trying to shill for neocons it's like i miss the second season of better call sol or something he's shifting alliances yeah exactly he's basically a socialist now so alex touches back on this policy market the policy analysis market story and uh man this is the day after it is that somebody

has already told him to his face on a show not happening right but it's still happening okay this morning we scan the newswires for several hours uh my wife did uh one of my other employees did i did i i scanned the newswire several hours last night and about half the news articles in forbs and for and the new york times are positive about the giant currency slash war death speculation gambling house insider trading house that's already been set up at the pentagon years ago but they were gonna make it public and claim it was legal so they've had a taunting going on behind the scenes and about half the articles are positive they they say it's needed i was watching seeing in last night and they talk about how this would keep us safe and maybe it's needed and fox

was joking about it but said you know maybe it's a bad idea but it it was just to keep us safe uh yeah secret passwords where anyone can bet on where the next terror attack will be in the billions of dollars and you have the government run a speculation market which which should be illegal in and of themselves are bad enough and upset markets and ruin people and are much more dangerous than any los vegas casino almost everything alex is saying about this story is completely wrong the factual stuff is just in riffing details to make this more interesting as a conspiracy and things like secret passwords just had to do with like people who were investing would have accounts with pass well yeah they would have password protected so scary yeah this is a

dead story because the market that was proposed didn't actually happen these two democratic senators pushed back on it and the project was abandoned because that's the case alex needs to kind of shift the tone of his coverage and that's why the story is now that this betting market has existed for a while secretly and still does exist but they're just trying to make it public the public in unveiling of the program failed but the program still totally exists in secret and alex could definitely prove it he has the documents and it's in the white papers you know it honestly it's basically just your office march madness pool but blown up you know and then literally literally blown up yeah this is a pretty savvy move on alex's part because if he didn't do this his narrative

would actually be tied to reality the program would be done for and that's that nothing else to really see here man the government actually worked the way he claims he wants it to this is a conspiracy dead end so if you want to get mileage out of this which you've already spent a day trying to work up you have to change the story you have to change the game yeah and what's important is not that you theoretically quote unquote won you were against this policy now this policy is shelved that has nothing you're not going to go and be like hey we did it you and reinforcing that you and your listeners did something is way worse than telling them that you are doing something and that you are continuing to do something and that nothing you ever do will end in a victory

but we're always going to keep going you know yeah yeah so alex uh you know there's sometimes cute moments on his show i think this might be a little bit cute okay thanks a lot mike appreciate it bud mike just uh walked into the studio and gave me uh some coffee yes i i hadn't had my coffee today i'm trying to break myself of it and uh i'm addicted to it it is a drug i am phasing myself off of it but i had a big fat headache so i uh mike was coming into the studio and i saw i called him on the cell phone about 10 minutes ago and said will you get me a coffee and mike walked right in as i was going on the air and handed me this coffee this this drug of course it's about 20 times less strong than riddling that we give a 15 month old babies in

this country but it's still bad stuff and i really shouldn't do it just drink your fucking coffee by the way there's a move to tax and perhaps even ban coffee okay just drink your fucking it doesn't everything doesn't have to be everything i'm pretty sure they also already taxed off and no one was talking about banning coffee also 15 month olds are definitely not prescribed riddle i don't know what would howl according to the fda it hasn't been approved for people under six though in some extreme cases it can be prescribed to people uh over the age of three but that's going to be pretty rare also it's really funny to see alex making a big deal about how dangerous of a drug coffee is and how he needs to quit considering his rampant alcohol abuse

and a parent problem with stimulants yeah in recent days yeah listen he's trying to cut back okay on the stimulants yeah so this next clip i i think it's sort of tracking a an under wait wait hold on sure am i am i wrong in thinking that one of his products is coffee yeah he sells the wake up america blend the chiapas farmers yeah am i wrong in thinking that one of his products has a shit ton of caffeine in it oh he has a bunch of weird like pseudo stimulants sure the ones that he's like hey take half of this it'll fuck you up that's what i'm trying to i'm like brain force again we're bouncing back before between timelines so it's like oh i'm trying to get off coffee but in my head i'm like wait aren't you about to do an ad for

coffee yeah i'm not sure if he's selling coffee at this point yet but i think it was before the sub yeah i think so i think this is before he gets all of his line of bullshit and then he's like oh boy caffeine and other associated the like are great yeah yeah it's weird oh well uh also alex does not limit himself to coffee that's so that's fair uh alex take some calls and um this this is sort of a part of a path that we've been going down and that is you know it started very exciting because we met someone named dan from illinois sure uh it turns out he calls in all the fucking time yeah that's a little bit different and i've fallen more and more out of love with him yeah that's not surprising dan from illinois a real piece of shit dan from illinois sucks all right

let's go to dan in illinois and scott greg michael and others dan you're on the air welcome welcome how are you doing alex fantastic just to add to what you were saying a minute ago it's a massive redefinition of acceptable behavior yeah we're gonna have the homosexual high schools well are we gonna have heterosexual high schools a school that's about sexual orientation i mean even if you're a liberal and and and and you know we're all for what the homosexuals are doing still you don't have a wait what that is about someone's sexual orientation much less a destructive lifestyle i mean folks this is this is basically pedophilia being legalized and i've got a stack of articles on it today that sounds fairly close to his modern shit i mean does does he think that they're

teaching yes okay yeah that's what i thought yeah and i couldn't i couldn't believe for a real second that somebody would do that but it's true he doesn't think that they're teaching like no no he thinks that it's uh no teaching gay stuff yep yep yep over over over the pants a little gross fuck you dan from illinois fuck you dan from illinois so so alex is going to bring in uh howard collugian and i gotta say i was looking into him and from everything i can tell he seems like he's just your kind of run-of-the-mill shady lawyer who was also involved in recalling a governor and then he also had a failed senate run yeah he's the chair of the recall gray davis committee though it should be noted that another member of that committee was notorious pollster frank

luntz who alex is currently obsessed with suggesting is in a relationship with kevin mccarthy yeah they live together weird also dipping around in collugian's history i found an interesting tidbit in 2004 apparently he was heading a campaign to block theaters from playing michael moore's movie fahrenheit 9 11 there's a very impassioned op-ed that i found calling out collugian and supporting michael moore from that article quote collugian's arm twisting organization move america forward has called moore's film a recruiting video for al-qaeda in other words more is a terrorist it should be more than obvious by now that uh what far right wingers like collugian and ashcroft want done to those they consider terrorists or for that matter those who disagree

with bush the writer of that op-ed alex's longtime writer and one-time webmaster curt nimo writing on his own blog yep what no another fun fact nimo has bylines on global research dot ca from 2004 all the way up to the present day what no yeah nimo's a weird thread what is happening with nimo yeah so a year after this interview curt nimo wrote an article lombasting uh uh collugian as a free speech unreal what is happening i don't know so anyway collugian comes in and they have like a real fun jocular time oh good i can't think of anything better in our republic than recalling an open border promoting gun grabbing uh energy speculating creature like governor davis the problem is are we going to get a neocon like sports and agar or are we going to

get some other democrat winning or will a michael savage throw it by running as an independent let's go ahead and go to uh howard collugian good to have you on the show sir thank you very much ox it's good to be with you today you bet tell us a little bit about yourself the zenith of this how you started it what what the process has been like and where we're going and how you see this breaking down well quickly about me i'm an attorney but don't hold it against me i thought it's really cute that the two of them are getting along pretty well you know having this fake laugh because they would absolutely fucking hate each other if they knew what the other one stood for oh yeah case in point collugian is super in favor of the war in iraq in 2005 he was so into

in the enduring war that he began an organization called moving america forward along with sal russo a political communications and strategy guy who was also a key member of the recall gray davis committee right the new group was meant to quote report the good news on operation iraqi freedom you're not hearing from the old line news media oh man this led to an embarrassing fuck up where collugian posted a picture of a quiet street and claimed that it was bagged at you know trying to make the argument that the war was super effective and things were going great yeah it also turned out that this was a street in istanbul collugian in a classic right wing move would go on to blame a staffer for the fuck up i can't believe it yeah so many god damn people i mean staffers who is

who is releasing so we already touched on his opposition to free speech vis-a-vis michael more and also we should say that collugian tried to co-op the tea party by starting a bus tour called the tea party express which tried to get doomed candidates elected and it raised a bunch of money that got funneled to organizations run by collugian and his longtime collaborator russo yeah that's the way to steal mm-hmm yeah the face man for the tea party express was a radio host named mark williams or at least it was until he had some controversy about a racist letter that he posted on his website actually that's not totally accurate he didn't end up stepping down from the tea party express the national tea party federation said that the tea party express needed

to fire williams for the clearly racist letter and they refused to so the national organization expelled them from the formal wow yeah wow when did they let him back in i'm not sure if they did so the letter was written from the perspective of freed enslaved persons nope towards abraham lincoln nope nope no no no no no no no no excuse me sir excuse me i'm gonna read you a little bit of it oh god no quote mr lincoln you are the greatest racist ever we had a great gig okay three squares room and board all of our decisions made by massa in the house we coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to the whole emancipation thing freedom means having to work for real think for ourselves and take consequences along with the

rewards that's just far too much to ask of us colored people and we demand that it's stop yeah holy shit insane that is bonkers yep that's bad stuff and this is the dude that calugian was willing to go to bat for so that's great also in response to the proposed ground zero mosque this guy william said that it would be quote for the worship of the terrorists monkey god which apparently also wasn't enough for him to get in trouble with the tea party express yeah anyway the point is that calugian loves the iraq war hates free speech and was an active part of trying to grift on the tea party in a way that really served to worsen the parts of the community that were an embarrassment in the eyes of the larger population right which probably hurt a

number of their candidates at the polls like alex should really fucking hate this dude right i mean long term though that was the right move well sure yeah i mean i mean you got to give it to him there it's sort of an accidental victory i suppose uh but yeah but alex i mean he stands for a lot of things that alex in theory should be very much against all he knows about him is that he's against gray davis yeah and so it's like yeah fuck yeah i'm into this yeah it is it is so much like that there are so many false equivalencies that we can make between america and russia and all that shit right there but the one thing that is always true is that there are weirdo right wing assholes who are going to be like listen our government is not hurting anybody

i promise you everything's great no no are they paying me no that's the weirdest part of this i'm doing it for free well not totally for free well yeah i'm conning others yeah but not them who should be paying me to con for you so so alex gets to espousing some ideas about gray davis and electoral politics in california and this is really incoherent now governor davis just had his lariken keist folks calling for revolution and breaking up the us he's had his minions on tv basically energizing the illegal aliens to to go steal this election now if that were true at all how would it be possible for gray davis to be one of only four governors in the history of the united states to face a recall election if he had all these illegal votes rigging elections why did he

rig it so he would be one of only two governors in us history to actually be recalled it seems like a really dumb use of power that alex is pretending that he wields but that's just because alex's position isn't sincere it's just xenophobia and racism i think i think it's because you just don't understand four-dimensional chess problem okay you gotta lose to win you're right everybody knows this about chess you're right i'm saying the collusion and his friends were bad decision makers in terms of the tea party but it turns out in the long run it's a whole different thing you're right you're not no so collugian uh man he's got some some fucking weird ideas about america surprise this is only the second time in the last hundred years this is uh happened that's

correct the first time was in north dakota and so that really doesn't count you know what i hate man i hate all these democrat coastal elites looking down on flyover country oh man i can't stand how these california liberals are out here pretending that they're the only ones that matter and things that happen in smaller states don't count thank god we have these upstanding right wing patriots standing up and caring about what happens in middle america they're talking for the real americans yeah man for the people that uh don't have a voice yeah they would never say that no no no they wouldn't just discount massive amounts of geography based solely upon their own bigotries and uh lack of care that would be silly coastal elite yeah north dakota

doesn't count i mean there aren't and it's not like there are any coastal elites in the republican party you would have to go from what be on like say one of those schools on the east coast like uh harvard or yale or something like that or one of those schools on the west coast like stanford or you know we don't have a lot of republicans from those schools right none yeah um yeah i don't know i find that kind of dumb just tasteful um so alex also is a little bit dumb every governor since the 60s including ronald reagan and jerry brown and george dupe majin and pete wilson every governor has had a recall effort begun against him not once has it ever gotten to the point of actually making the ballot because never before have we had a governor this bad taking us to the

brink of bank hey i tell you it's getting pretty close in arizona with conservatives going after mccain yes well that could be but uh i'm not familiar enough with that you know what i hate i hate all these democrat liberal socialists who have no idea what the constitution actually says i can't stand these dumb dumb left wingers out here spouting nonsense about what they think the country is about thank god we have these patriots like alex who like live and breathe our country's founding documents their policy walks on a sincere note according to the constitution you cannot recall people elected to federal positions it would be impossible for the people of arizona to recall mccain without first getting an amendment passed that would completely overhaul election

rules on a national level alex has no idea what he's talking about and just throwing out whatever bullshit he wants to make the show interesting even if it violates the fucking constitution they're pretty close though yeah okay listen i know you think that just because there are more steps than he assumes means that he's wrong but he you can still be pretty close to more it's not it's not more steps the the the distance there's one more step you have to get a national constitutional amendment passed the distance between those steps you could not make pretty big step they're pretty big steps that's true that is true yeah we're gonna recall this senator all right all right we gotta get mccain okay so let's get him let's get him out of there let's do a recall no we can't do

that because of the constitution remember that yeah well how do we change that you want to change the constitution i thought we would love to the constitution now you change whatever you need to you can like i just i don't i don't even know what to say nope he loves the constitution loves america so this recall is going down right and so the way it's structured is that there is one election that's going to happen yes there's gonna be two things on the ballot one is should gray day of us be recalled right and then the second thing is if so which of these people should replace him right so if the first measure passes then the second question will come into play right if it doesn't then gray davis stays in office right that's the way this uh it goes gotcha and so they're

talking a little bit about who uh kalugian backs in the race it might surprise you who do you favor to win uh the uh state rep uh isa who has a more conservative record or an arnold sorts an agor kind of a neocon i mean who are you leaning towards uh the congressman's name is isa isa and he is from the sand eagle area as am i and he had the vision to see the need for the recall and he provided the leadership to get it finished the volunteer effort was significant but it was not able on its own to finish up the job well he's now being attacked and obviously he's a lot better than arnie and the rest of these guys yes then i would be supporting congressman isa however i don't think arnold schwarz nigger is going to run wow bad prediction yep also derelisa

didn't run no uh also uh we know from matt drudge that isis was named after derelisa as a joke yep that uh the globalists are playing or something it's weird how they do that so uh derelisa actually didn't run in this recall election because of suspicions and accusations that were made about his early organization of the recall campaign that he's that we're talking about right now talking about yeah that there were insinuations that he funded early efforts to get the recall going for himself to be able to run sure that uh was a little bit of hot water yeah and so he withdrew from the race yeah of course because that definitely wasn't the case as collugian here himself is saying of course the volunteer effort would have no effect if it weren't for this guy's oh wait no that

does sound the opposite yeah so his his uh his prediction collugians is that isa is gonna run and schwarz nigger is not wrong on two counts now we get to the idea about savage michael savage of the savage he's gonna independent throw a wrench in the race we'll see what collugian thinks okay what about a uh a mr wiener or wiener uh running wouldn't he basically i mean what would happen if wouldn't wouldn't mr savage the alias wouldn't he pull the more conservatives to vote for him but not win and then you end up getting one of the liberals uh winning i don't think so i'm not concerned about our force nigger i don't think he's gonna run uh and i i don't know this other person you're mentioning mr michael savage you've never heard of michael savage oh michael

savage oh he's not gonna run that's that's kind of silly i like how he can be almost patronizing and wrong and patronizing and right in the same clip yeah that's nice and also just have a clear like i i i do enjoy it when guests clearly don't know anything about the narratives alex is trying to build nope and accidentally completely deflate you're silly yeah that's silly that's always my favorite thing that you're pushing as like a legitimate possibility that you need to be worried about because it's a globalist plan right uh that's silly it is it is always fun whenever people are like unaware of their responsibility their role everybody is always aware like all the good alex guests are like yes absolutely and here's what i have to you know

yes and all the way but every time somebody is like no we're having a genuine genuine conversation here uh obviously michael savage isn't going to run that's silly only a fool would believe that what kind of show would have something like that all the person who would be suggesting such a thing as someone trying to trick an audience yeah i mean you would have to have some sort of nefarious purpose behind that sort of suggestion yeah yeah um so the this interview ends with good tidings of a coming recall election sure and then alex goes into the third hour and he has a guest named bill bow shears billy shears his name is bill bow shears 20 years ago today alex had a bill let me introduce to you the one and only bill bow shears okay i

didn't write that in advance so i didn't have the other lyrics but i understand i do think he goes by billy shears okay and i do think it's probably a beetles reference oh um but he is a guy who has a radio show uh and alex is a guest on it sometimes and so i think this is a little quick pro quo sure because it's a guy who i don't know just a boring just to do to get to show up shoot the shit for a little while with alex on his show and then go back to his own hometown leader league radio show well no because he broadcasts out of a hundred watt blow torch or whatever that alex always calls these radio stations blow torches which i like all right um but uh they're interview meaningless just talk about how great they are and how they break all the

stories in the world it doesn't get better than our form of media yeah and so they end up taking some calls and they get this one call that i think is fascinating and i would play all of it but it there's it's very it's pretty long and there's also parts of it that kind of veer around and it's it's circuit circuitous um but the beginning of this call is essentially this guy saying like hey alex i wanted to i want to bring this up to you um i think that if you actually engaged with some of the material that's being put out by left-leaning folks and a lot of socialist organizations they're actually complaining about a lot of the same stuff you are right and alex's response is basically like yeah yeah they bring up good points but then they try to get you

into world government and then the guy's like well no that's not actually true and so they go to break and they come back and alex actually goes back to this guy all right and i just don't think alex can handle this kind of um a conversation yeah he just has nowhere to go with it yeah what i'm talking about is that some of the very outrages that you're talking about have been exposed by leftist and socialist publications that i read and i think they do expose it but then they give you bad solutions they don't do anything about it well what they're what they're talking about what i'm saying though is that i think it's very dangerous because these neocombs have dressed up their schemes for destroying the constitution the bill of rights plunging us into wars for empire under

the name of anti-communism this has been the decades long propaganda okay let me stop you let me stop you that's absolutely true and then here's the twist that proves what bellen and ire saying ron paul read from dozens of their own books and publications the top neocons are macavelian first and foremost and they were formed out of trotsky's fourth international now that's a fact the founders let me finish the founders are trotsky so you've got real hardcore communists saying they're anti communists calling for big government and see you can't understand that you can't compute that the enemies all around us that they're big government people whether you call them right wing or left wing they want to control the entire paradigm go ahead john well i think you're projecting uh

people like living crystal might have been on the left at one time maybe as uh either uh plants by the cia or opportunists who then saw that take their origins could be traded on to become anti-communist but this does not mean that uh they're they're not profoundly no they call for they call for a social welfare they call for control they call for big government they still so you're confused you're spinning your wheels john thanks for the call the people in the book thanks for the call john i really appreciate it uh bill any other comments of that done once so ever you did a fine job i've done it earlier but you're ready yet thank you billy shears she's christ yeah that's that is that is really telling yeah the caller actually has uh exactly

alex's number yeah and that is the point that he's making is that urban crystal did uh involve himself in some trotskyite uh thought before ending up beginning the uh neo conservative sure uh ideology or going down that path and he calls this out and says like this does not characterize the entirety of the this this this whole philosophy that you are you're painting in this life right that's not defining of the neocons just because this one that this one detail you can extrapolate out right and alex can't handle it so he hangs up on him yeah and insinuates that you just can't see past the paradigm that i can see i mean i i heard the big moment happen whenever he was like uh you realize that they're dressing this all up in the guys of anti-communism

and alex cut him off immediately because all i heard was him being like uh yeah that's what the birch shears have been trying to do is that no you're you're right that's what we're doing but i'm not going to say that's what we're doing no no no because that's what the neocons are doing it's what the neocons are doing and i'm against them totally click yep bye so we get another call and that's actual this is actually far more important and apparently you're upsetting people to my info wars dot com sticker was actually ripped off of my car here in college station and uh so i guess that's a good thing that uh you're apparently pissing people off well well let's just do me in favor let's be careful language a lot of kids listening but you're

telling me that somebody ripped your sticker off as a family yeah i had my info wars dot com sticker uh that i gotten when i lived in austin um and then uh and now here in college station and apparently i guess somebody went and looked up the site or knew what you were about and you know how security is is going to base one of its main capitals kind of its new school of americas for the american kgb there with all the gullible neocons so that's probably why that happened yeah probably that is that is almost certainly why that yeah absolutely this color calls in and his info wars sticker was torn off his car is probably homeland security i wouldn't have considered homeland security because that wasn't on my mind but now that you've said it it's so

obvious that that is almost a parody of alex's mentality yeah man that is so absurd somebody calling in with the pettiest of nonsense meaningless vandalism let's say to be very generous and it's a fucking conspiracy that involves a department of the federal government yep yep you got it yeah no the other day somebody stole my bike and the reason is obviously because pam was shut down 20 years ago that was the whole idea behind it you know so they had to get my bike stolen yeah it's brutal what uh just amazing way to think so this next clip jordan yeah really depressing what's that about it well i just had a birthday yeah and you am having a birthday right yeah and so age is maybe on our minds that's true um i don't know

how to break this to you uh now that's basically what i do is cover news and information here and try to defend the republic against enemies foreign and domestic and i'm 29 years old and i've been in this fight for 19 years on the air for over eight is that uh does that answer your basic question i believe it though are you familiar with the organization liberty lobby yeah i think that they've done great work uh with alternative news and uh i am familiar with them yes oh because i was under an impression that perhaps you were a spinoff for them or such well i think we're all spinoffs uh the bill of rights and constitution in 1776 god damn it's so wild to just have a reminder that alex is 20 not do you ever do you ever like every time you go back

and you look at like if they if they ever show you like a 1950s high school yearbook and you start looking through it and you're like these people are 45 right there's no way people looked this old at this age right or you watch uh saved by the bell yeah yeah you guys are you guys are 50 years old easily no no yeah yeah that him the the words i'm 29 coming out of that mouse in absurd no unacceptable i mean it's like bobcat goldthwaite would talk about how like when he first started out he was young and no one ever was like look at this yeah yeah nobody was like oh we got the the hot new thing right no no he's bobcat gold or larry david looked old sure he was young sure but alex is like he just has this vibe of that no you're old he's 45 at this clip no he's 29

he's on the edge of death always yeah i think a big part of it is that like he sounds weary a little bit and then the other thing too is that he's saying these things that are so antiquated that you just think like this guy's got to be a grandpa yeah well and he's he is doing a limba voice true he's still doing a limba voice at this time so he's 29 and he's actively trying to sound older yeah that's definitely true yeah that sucks but what sucks more is that alex is aware of the liberty lobby and that he's into them that's because neo-nazian white nationalist willis kardo started the liberty lobby as an effort to sway public opinion against jews this is an actual quote from a letter that kardo wrote quote hitler's defeat was the defeat of europe and of america

how could we have been so blind the blame it seems must be laid at the door of the international jews it was their propaganda lies and demands which blinded the west to what germany was doing if satan himself with all of his superhuman genius and diabolical ingenuity at his command had tried to create a permanent disintegration and force for the destruction of the nations he could have done no better than to invent the jews i could not believe that paul joseph watson said that kardo's political activism included starting the youth for wallace organization to support the presidential run of segregationist george wallace this group eventually became the national youth alliance which would end up splintering into different organizations one of which

being the national alliance led by william luther pierce who is a straight-up neo-nazi and the author of the turner diaries which is considered more or less the essential text of the modern militia white supremacist community pierce's mentor while in the national youth alliance coincidentally was the fascist founding member of the john birch society revelo p oliver so this is all fun but this is the inner uh intellectual tradition that alex celebrates and he comes from it's a clusterfuck of white supremacists and nazis with a group named desperate to mask their true character with the appearance of patriotism right and it's important to remember that sometimes when there's some goofy dumb bullshit that alex is coming into and when we have in the present day

these reminders that uh people like paul's his employees harbor these same sorts of feelings and express them sometimes in moments of looseness i mean it's it makes total sense because the people where all of their information comes from the people who are the forefathers of them in this i guess if you want to call it information war they were white supremacists and nazis yep no they are well some of whom are dead well that's fair to the to the to the deceased they were yes true yeah so anyway i have one more clip here i just want to get that bad taste out of your mouth with alex trying to plug one of his films in perhaps the worst possible way love it it's documented it's what's going on and the average person who's been in denial

who gets you know this information trickled out to them by the mainstream media has been conditioned and has never seen the big picture this will show them the big picture and they'll already be aware of a lot of what's in the videos and so when the pieces are all put together well a lot of people cry a lot start laughing insanely uh some people go and puke i mean literally you've heard the listeners talk about this effect it has on people especially government bureaucrats former special forces people folks that know the data in it is accurate people who've been in the government who've been given part of the brainwashing that's in the film and then go how did i miss it it freaks them out what a sales pitch wow i can't wait to get that now that i know that

what now that i know what i have to government employees when they watch it if you watch this film you might throw up or it might drive you mad it might drive you insane you'll begin laughing uncontrollably walking the streets at midnight no one knows what will happen when you see this video and if you do not show someone else with it seven days you will die nine eleven wrote to tyranny is the original ring the original ringu i i i understand really tried to hype up your product but uh i get it it might be a little much listen if you listen to knowledge fight you know what happens to you when you listen to it you will shit your pants you will lose control of your bowels non-stop uncontrollable diarrhea

and people still listen to the show can't believe it well it's because they put the pieces together well i think it's because we don't advertise it i i mean look spiritually speaking i think i've watched some of alex's films and they do make me want to throw they that is true that is true literally speaking seems a little seems a little silly literally i did find myself laughing a lot and going insane true true but that's because it took us nine hours straight that's fair drink it quite a bit well there was that so we we come to the end of this 2003 adventure indeed and i think it was a a little bit of a reprieve from the present day but you still see shades of stuff there now with the branding of this lgbtq friendly school in new york something

adjacent to pedophilia you see that like being echoed in the present day yep you see alex being really down with a outlet run by nazis you see that in the present day yeah i definitely plenty of those yeah there are these these reverberations of very similar things in the present day it's kind of a bummer well i mean when you when you think of it in in terms of like these are gigantic reactions to things like what we're experiencing right now is the culmination of the gigantic reaction to abortion in 1970s you know like this is all a moment it's just a huge wave and you can't just stand in front of it not one person can like get in the way and so we're going to see what happens whenever the wave goes the other direction now like what they are doing

to us is going to have massive massive results that are going to take time you know yeah you you don't know what they're going to be yeah it's um scary sure it's big yeah it's big well we'll we'll see how that plays out as it plays out indeed we'll check back in with alex on our next episode and see maybe if he's disowned paul i never worked here never i never even i've what was paul private contractor i guess he's distant sims hell from us for years now you know what this is on him he gets to he gets to go down to his own ship we'll see or maybe it'll be like it's a deep fake maybe or maybe you'll be hosting the fourth hour well that would be status quo so uh we'll be back jordan but until then uh we have a website we do it's knowledge fight.com

yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight and i go to bed jordan yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i hope you all have a uh dreamy creamy summer and now here comes the sex robots andy and chan's us you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you