Knowledge Fight - #685: Formulaic Objections Part 7

Episode Date: May 25, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan return to their acclaimed series of deposition-related episodes, as they break down two depositions featuring a person brought in to be Infowars' corporate representative. Deposition videos

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge I love you knowledge fight I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you I love you everybody welcome back knowledge fight I'm damn we're gonna do it's like sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Joe oh indeed we are Dan Jordan damn quick question for you so what's your bright spot today buddy my bright spot Jordan we talked about this a little bit off pot Oh but I have not mentioned it on the show and I haven't given you an update on it no it's so about maybe a couple of weeks ago I was having a frozen pizza okay and I was putting a crushed red pepper on right I was thinking to myself

this is good right it could be better yeah I was like I wonder if other crushed peppers exist like I wonder if you can get a shaker of habanero flakes for instance and so I googled it and I found them and they're great it really is a solution to the problem yeah that red pepper flakes have which is like this is good but not quite enough right you can you can plus it you can turn it you can turn anything into flakes right and I got the I got these also the Trinidad scorpion flakes oh that's dangerous I've not opened these up yet to try but I don't want you to while I'm here I feel like it burned my eyes I don't know if I could eat those dry I would go probably good but it wouldn't be a handful and just chop on it like yeah like sesame seeds I

definitely will break into this a little bit later I mean maybe not today but maybe not tomorrow but someday and soon yeah you're gonna regret it so by you what's your right spot my bright spot is a Friday is gonna be the first episode of this thing that I'm doing oh I was gonna call it a show but it's not on Fridays at 6 p.m. to 8 p.m. you have a thing I am going to watch the magicians an episode of the magicians with a friend on twitch and I hope people join us and then we're gonna talk about mental illness you know you can't play the show on twitch I know yeah I know you're gonna run into a number of terms of service that you may be unaware of just don't think it's gonna be a problem and here's my plan figure it out as I go along okay this is from the production

company that brought you watch me play Final Fantasy 7 for no reason I predict you'll be banned in a month way sooner yeah but anyways I'm excited to do it it'll be fun I think we're gonna be back to social distancing soon so this will be a great way to meet people like we're not going in the right direction heard some bad news about Chicago yeah yeah so Jordan speaking of bad news for Chicago yeah baby the boys are back in town okay we're sitting here at the in the same studio together once again though though the city as bad news covid wise we had good news and that we were clear we're back in studio together and it's good news indeed and the boys are back in town yes the deposition boys so by popular demand today we have another formulaic objections

episode all right we should make it what we're like we're like the sheen brothers we're this is depo men ah come on like repo men right yeah like Charlie sheen and me leo estimates their brothers right Charlie sheen Charlie sheen you said sheen I just don't talk right no you said the wrong name I said the wrong name all right all right Charlie she had that's where I was confused all right all right yeah so in one of the least predictable terms of events outside of our show being successful yes is that one of our most popular things that we do is we talk about depositions in the world of alex jones right and today we have a couple of depositions to go over they have to do with info wars and free speech systems having a another chance at having a

corporate representative come test finally gonna get it so these are two depositions that they're they're hired a gun two depositions two shots for the corporate representative one of them is in the sandy hook case and one is in the marcel fontaine gotcha and so yeah I mean I look I don't want to give it away but over over to yeah I mean yeah it's of course it's going to be over to but come on yeah this is this is a nuts because now because we're not over to we're over five at least right right over three if you just talk about the stuff that has to do with this phase of the trial right because that just has daria in that right well actually I mean who knows you've spanned it out to the Connecticut cases too and you're probably yeah who nelly yeah

I don't even want to know so we'll get down to bins on this but first Jordan let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks oh that's a great idea so first I have a cat and then in parentheses Reginald bubbles cousin uh cousins who has asthma we should start a club thank you so much you're now policy won't I'm a policy won't thank you very much thank you next robert from bloomfield who was tricked into that Gillette commercial that one time thank you so much you're now a policy won't I'm a policy won't thank you very much next in Canada it's pronounced a little drakey thank you so much you're now a policy won't I'm a policy won't thank you very much talk about jimmy brooks yeah that's good next pinch my nipple and call me a policy won't

pinch thank you so much you're now policy won't I'm a policy won't thank you very much it was the delivery sure yeah yeah obviously I that was the pinch had like asterisk yeah yeah I felt it I figured that was the tone you delivered it well I could feel you pulling as you pinched it was it was heartfelt part of the inspiration was that the person who sent that name prefaced it by saying I'm embarrassed to be saying this using this name so I had to you know give it a little put a little English absolutely yeah yeah next the other angry sweaty fat guy thank you so much you're now a policy won't I'm a policy won't thank you very much and finally we got a technocrat in the mix Jordan so adventures in hell world podcast is doing this so we can hear Dan say he's not after

Alex says I'll be better tomorrow thank you so much you're now a technocrat I'm a policy won't I have risen above my enemies I might quit tomorrow actually I'm just gonna take a little breaky now a little breaky for me and then we're going to come back and I'm gonna start the show over but I'm the devil I gotta be taken off the air up you know this fuck you fuck you I got plenty of words for you but at the end of the day fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit maybe today should be my last broadcast I mean maybe I'll just be gone a month maybe five years maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again that's really what I want to do I never

want to come back here again I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air I'll be better tomorrow aha jokes on you there is no Alex to be better tomorrow or not one good turn deserves another podcast so um Jordan we will we will delve into these deposition waters but I would like to tease you with an out of context drop here there were people who supervised specific departments yes these people supervised quite a few people didn't they I don't know who they supervised that's troubling that's troubling that is troubling that's troubling I don't know who they supervised well that should that that's part of the things you should know that that is upsetting

then in what way are they supervisors yeah there's a number of things that when I was listening to these and watching these there's there's little things that I'm learning about the experience of being in a room with a lawyer and there's certain things that you don't really want to hear one of them is that's troubling yeah that's not good no that's not going to go well in the future it means the conversation that you're having is off the rails yeah yeah yeah and the second second thing that I noticed is like if somebody a lawyer is asking you a question and then they say thank you after your answer not good take it back take it back no no whatever it is that you just said I take it back yeah that means they got what they wanted yeah no no I'll take that

well I'll take that question again please yeah I never knew to be afraid of that but no no thank you's only want to hear hey from lawyers yeah gotcha so on February 14th and 15th the newly appointed corporate representative for free speech system sat for depositions in the sandy hook case and the Marcel Fontaine case respectively having made embarrassing fumbles with Rob do and Daria Carpova and having been sanctioned for how ill-prepared they'd been to fulfill their job the company had contracted somebody from the outside of the team to take on the job that person was Brittany Paz a lawyer who's worked with Norm Pattis in the past she had a nearly impossible task in front of her getting up to speed on the topics that she was expected to be able to discuss

but at the end of the day she did accept the job that was impossible right and was paid $30,000 for it and became responsible for being a competent corporate representative sure that's what she took on her plate she could have not done that given the impossible nature of the job right right right and since she's a professional she brought in like a a J store caught out of what a false flag is oh oh yes yeah that would have been funny jumped up the level that would have been she got a pacer case for for a false flag no no she I think would look down upon the printing out of wikipedia articles and similar behavior okay so after that disaster that was Daria's deposition the judge in the sandy hook case had dealt with just about enough bullshit

she gave free speech systems one last chance to provide a corporate representative and laid out some very specific guidelines about what this person was expected to do to prepare so there would could be no confusion uh when they sat down in this deposition chair what you are expected right and like the judge was laying out these are the minimum right requirements right this really was an act of generosity on the part of the court this is the judge from that hearing quote I think where I'm struggling is actually I actually believe we're most likely to end up in a situation where I'm going to be telling the jury we gave the defendants all these opportunities to answer these questions and you may decide from the answers they gave or did not give

that had they answered those answers would hurt their case or some language to that effect I just don't know that we're there today on these issues after one shameful corporate rep deposition on damages and so you know I would really like to have one corporate deposition where the witness actually prepares I feel I feel this is exactly where bill was where we could have just been right there being like body body no no no no no no you can lower this limbo bar to the ground man they are digging below it well but it's I think I think it's a good thing it's I don't think that the court is being like well uh you know maybe we'll give them a chance and they'll comply this time it's more like all right you're probably gonna fuck this up let's be super clear about what you

need to do give you one last chance right if you can't comply then I understand I understand we're just at the stage where you can no longer take these events as individual events and they must be taken in totality and if you've already failed at 16 different attempts to do different things fuck off you know but what you're gonna do so after that point uh in this uh in this hearing the judge goes on to delineate what preparing for these topics actually means and we're gonna periodically refer back to this as we go through miss paz uh deposition and I assume that's because she nails it every time yeah she's correct okay so the first deposition covers the sandy hook case and is being conducted by mark bankston naturally these are long videos and a lot of the information

in them delves into areas that we've been over before so I'm gonna try to trim a bit out and primarily focus on what we can learn from these documents it's important to remember how much alex winds on his show but not being allowed a chance to defend himself because this exists as definitive evidence that he's full of shit he had already sent daria to testify as a corporate rep and she showed up with printed out wikipedia articles having no idea about the subject she was supposed to discuss and she ended up kind of supporting sandy hook conspiracy theories under oath yes out of an abundance of grace the court is giving him another chance to actually participate and this is what we get so hurrah well done everybody so we start here we're gonna start

with the deposition from the 14th February 14th covering the sandy hook cases um and uh the first thing we're gonna establish here at the beginning is uh how long did you have to prepare for this and it's it's an eye was given the call on the way here it might as well be to some extent when were you selected to act as free speech systems corporate representative um i think that i was officially hired uh the last week in feb uh i'm sorry excuse me the last week in january first week in february so january 31st february first ish that week it's it's been about two weeks when you say officially and let me back up you understand there was a designation filed designating you as the corporate representative and i think that was last week maybe

wednesday are you aware of that i don't know when it was filed i don't file it as far as an official selection that was done well before that i don't i wouldn't say well before that but it was done before that if it was filed last week right so a few weeks before that at least not a few weeks i've only been the corporate rep for two weeks i think as of today it's been two weeks okay if i two weeks okay yeah that makes sense because you said january 31st february i think that was a monday january 31st so that probably was the day when everything got finalized so this is going to be a bit important uh not because of the difference in dates between her official and unofficial selection but because of how much material she was expected to be confersant about

and the window of time that she had from her selection to the date of this deposition in the hearing after daria's deposition the judge asked alex's counsel quote do you know who will be designated or if there will be more than one person designated to respond to these topics the response was quote i will have the answer for that by the end of today and i'm relatively certain it will be more than one person that would have been a good idea and for whatever reason alex and free speech systems decided not to designate more than one person they chose to leave this one person britney paas to be responsible for answering to all the questions in both of these cases which honestly isn't fair i don't have a ton of pity for miss paas but it

would also be dishonest to not recognize that her inability to do her job in these depositions was part of an intentional choice that alex made if there's tens of thousands of pages of material to become familiar with having one person do that is an active sabotage especially when the opportunity was readily available to split the workload up between multiple representatives sending one person with two weeks prep time is not an act of cooperation that's that's no good i am going to pay you thirty thousand dollars to try and get away with the bare minimum of what you can do well no because the judge has clearly said what the bare minimum is right and right bare minimum would take a lot of work well i'm hoping for it but at the very least i hired a

lawyer this time so people will think i tried sure i i think it's more like here's thirty thousand dollars get like enough to say something it does feel like that and just sit there well you have the worst time of your life it really does feel like they gave her thirty grand to kind of like sell it you know it's like do what you can it's not going to be pleasant it's not going to be enjoyable you're going to be sitting in this room and you're going to feel like an asshole how much work is it four thirty grand though like really feel it i don't know i don't think i would do it i'm not sitting in a deposition for a hundred grand considering that these were two i mean unless i'm stealing a hundred grand in which game well yeah these were two all day like

super uncomfortable sessions so i i don't know maybe maybe i just have a higher price on being miserable for eight hours straight or maybe i just have the fresh memory of being in that room with daria yeah yeah i bet the second deposition for her was way worse than the first one well we'll see yeah so um here is uh them talking about this sort of dynamic about like you can't really do everything right like you can't look at all it's possible it's impossible yeah yeah to prepare for this deposition did you review every document produced in this litigation every single document no i didn't review every single document i don't think it's possible to review every single document well i certainly would agree that it's not possible for one person to do it within the

time period of this deposition right it would take multiple people to do that um i think for the purposes of the this deposition if you'd like to go through the universe of documents that i did review i'm happy to do that that's not what i'm asking you okay i'm what i'm asking you is if someone wanted or if a company wanted to prepare itself for this deposition by reviewing every document produced in this litigation one person in two weeks could not do that one person in two weeks could not do that no okay and the company did not undertake steps to make sure that multiple people reviewed all of those documents correct i was the only person that was retained to do that okay so already kind of have this like being uh against the judge's wishes yeah because the

goal was to have a corporate representative who could speak on all of the matters that were relevant all of the the uh discovery material that was was handed over and so she can't right she feels it's impossible to right unless you had multiple people right and alex and info wars chose not to have multiple people so they chose not to follow you nailed it uh yeah so you already have basically like this is going to be fucked i then why can't we all just say okay then like all right cool we're done well wouldn't that be nice well because there's so much weirdness that i know but i mean think about the the just experience of him being like well there you only here here's what here's how it works the judge gave you a job this was on that you didn't do it the end well here's here's

here's a couple reasons why i'm glad that's not the case yes one uh there's a lot of weird stuff sure two uh we wouldn't have an episode to do understand just shut down deposition like that i understand we benefit three it would deprive a lot of our listeners of the joy of these deposition episodes understood for second day deposition what ends up happening i can't even begin to explain to you how bizarre i knew it the subject matter gets and how revealing it is in an accidental way that doesn't seem right it it does not seem like the oh this is the direction this is right right right i understand just from a qui bono perspective i feel like people are gonna assume that we're behind all of this because there's no other explanation yeah i i can i can see where they

would be where that would be coming from unfortunately or fortunately it is coincidence yes so uh there's a expectation that uh you know she look over all of these materials in preparation and it turns out that she couldn't find a certain video and it's weird because daria did one of the things you're asked to do is to prepare for all the videos that are mentioned in playing those petitions correct uh yes so i did try to locate all of the videos that are mentioned in the petition okay were you able to do that not all of them okay i don't think some of them are available just due to the deplatforming so i don't know that we have a couple of them it's interesting because i got all of them one of them that i know that i couldn't find was the video

specifically relating to the addresses um and the map of um the honor the location of the honor company that was one of the ones i couldn't find were you aware that the last corporate representative daria carpova she was shown that video she was shown the video or you she showed her the video i didn't show it to her i don't know in terms of preparation you don't know what miss carpova did to prepare i read her deposition okay well let me make sure i get an answer to the question do you think that means you know what she did to prepare i don't think she did very much to prepare to be honest i don't think she did either but i do think brad reeve showed her some videos do you want do you know about that i don't

know what brad reeve showed her no shots fired uh well i don't think that she did much i agree fair enough we're all in agreement here this is a good start miss paiz you're starting to win me over right out of the gate i mean it's talking shit on the pass cover it's great to experience a moment of shared reality with somebody on that side it has the appearance of like a little bit of frankness yeah you know that's uh that's pretty pretty unexpected and rare yeah yeah it's nice it doesn't last i didn't think so so in this next clip there's uh there's a bit of a conversation about what efforts were made to retain evidence potential evidence in this case and it's it's it's quite a elongated attempt at getting getting some answers longer than it should

be huh yeah and so here here is an answer to a question that was particularly this is not good can you tell me can you at least tell me everything free speech systems did to preserve evidence if you can't tell me when they did it can you tell me what they did sure um to my knowledge i think that there were efforts undertaken to uh produce all of the emails that were given there there were certain search term parameters that were given uh to the company to search the emails uh there were certain parameters done to try to access the videos such that we could access the videos there and i i believe i testified earlier that there was a there was a third party company that was helping with that although i'm not sure what the name is i think attorney block could probably

get that information for you um i think that as far as social media goes i think that the testimony previously has been that um that information can prob that can be accessed through twitter um are you do you also want to know about the the finances of the company and the documents related to the finances or are we just now in the universe of emails articles and and videos let's let's deal with that first answer first because what i hear you talking about is there were efforts to make to search for the emails yes and efforts made to access the videos yes right and these sound to me like things that were done to attempt to locate documents for production in the lawsuit right all right what i didn't hear is about any efforts to preserve

documents before that happened in other words you understand if i'm going to go search for documents to produce them it's important that i preserve those documents before that happens you understand what i'm saying well i do understand what you're saying and i don't think that there's been any deletion of any of that information so i mean once they were required to be produced and we did the search through the databases um i don't have any reason to believe any of that information was deleted so this is a really bad look right out of the gate you have this section at the beginning of the deposition where mark is trying to get information about efforts that were made by free speech systems to preserve evidence and the answers don't seem to really

pertain to the questions being asked here is what the judge said specifically about the responsibility that the corporate representative would have regarding matters involving preservation of evidence quote if she shows up again or i'm sure we'll get a new one new corporate representative because that's the way this works and that person says i don't know then they will have disregarded the orders i'm making today your client will have violated the orders that i'm making today i don't want i don't know i'm guessing i think maybe or i infer to be a part of the answer at all so if the answer is we destroy everything as fast as we can then i want them to come out and say that and if their answer is we don't care where it comes from so we don't ever

create a record they don't need to say that in that way alex's lawyer responded with just one word understood already miss paz has stepped in it and it's shown that the direct orders of the judge are not being followed whether through negligence and like unawareness on her part or as a result of alex's hostility to the process either way this is the first of the subjects they were given clear instructions on specifically what not to do and they decided to do that exact thing right right right so she didn't say like oh well immediately after a hard drive contains materials that we have decided could hurt us we pour a bunch of acid on it we've burned down all of our servers we've got holes in the ground where we've buried things that you'll never need to know about she

didn't say any of that she just said i think we did all right she didn't and she didn't really talk about any specific things that were done to preserve the evidence right to like we we searched our inboxes right right right she couldn't i mean yeah but you don't want to just say they didn't that's a real bummer yeah i don't know what the stakes are for her right just say that if that's the case i mean she's gonna walk away with this fine yeah yeah yeah she's just be straight up she doesn't work for the company come on fuck it yeah what's the worst that can happen you lose your association with norm patis oh my god i don't have that norm gig anymore oh all those racist open mics i won't be able to do yeah that is that's brutal yeah you're right i've been there so

there's a lot of back and forth and questioning throughout about who she talked to from the company and such and a lot of people she didn't try to get in touch with maybe a poor decision on her part because she was supposed to why would i need to talk to alex well she did talk to alex and that might have been a problem because she seems to have believed him i'm telling you this guy might be right about sanny one person that i found her answer to be very bizarre about is curt nimo he was a like senior writer like a managerial editor during some of the relevant periods for the case um and whether or not she tried to contact him is a super bizarre thread that goes throughout both depositions what here's what she says on the the first uh deposition so

curt nimo you understand he's telling who he is well i know who he was because he's no longer employed by the company but i think that in a relevant time period i believe 20 maybe 18 and prior he was the head writer at info wars did you talk to him i was not able to locate him he's not a current employee but i did make efforts to try to find out his current information but we were not able to talk to him what do you mean you tried to find out this and make efforts i just i wasn't able to reach out to him he was deposed in rafferty everybody has this information okay but i tried to reach out to him wait hold on let's make sure i understand this because i thought you just said that you couldn't find his information i think what i said was i tried to reach out to him

okay because i we're gonna maybe need to stop at a break and go look at what was said on the court reporter here because i thought what you were saying is you were unable to locate his contact information i don't know that i was unable to locate it i think that we tried to how did you reach out to him by phone okay so if i go talk to curtain immo he's gonna have a phone record of an info wars number or your number calling him i don't know how do you not know if your testimony is truthful today that would be the case right i didn't i wasn't able to get in contact with i'm not i'm asked that's not what i'm asking you i'm asking did you call him i called a lot of people i think i didn't speak to him though no okay your testimony is that either you or

somebody at info wars called him for this deposition i know we tried to i know we tried to get his contact information i asked melinda for his contact information she didn't have it um i don't know whether i called him and left a voicemail and he didn't pick up i know i haven't talked to him so i'm not honestly sure good work okay so i just want to make sure when you say you're not honestly sure not you are sure you haven't talked to him i am sure i haven't talked to him what you're not sure of is if you've tried to talk to him i know i asked for his contact information but i'm not sure if i actually called okay so this is weird what is happening it's splitting hairs in a really really strange way considering that she

just like straight up says that she didn't contact a number of people it seems right you just throw curt nimo on that pile um but so i'm going to jump ahead actually to the uh second day's deposition and see uh how this curt nimo discussion goes on that day and see if see if you see any uh uh dissimilarity he's off the grid man i don't know where he is i can't remember if you spoke with nimo or not i did not speak to mr nimo okay any particular reason um i don't i don't know that i had his information readily available and i don't know that i had the time to talk to him i spoke to a lot of people did you ask for it for mr nimo's uh phone number yes i did ask melinda for it i don't know that she was able to find it so now there's a i don't i don't think i even got his

number it's very weird how how is i i really feel like i've learned so much about deposition through all of this and just the concept of just like they don't even get the idea of answering a question that you can then answer with a follow-up question and still be right you know like i i think i called him and then they go well if i check his phone records did you call him they they're like i i i i mean maybe maybe i call he could have been called in the future i don't know also i think like i don't want to assume what someone would or would not remember but you know you've only been involved in this for two weeks two weeks it's not a very long time to try to remember what efforts have been and have not been made and where things stand how many people could

you possibly have called right and kurt nimo is somebody who's like a particularly relevant member of the info wars team head writer that he was there yeah so like it seems to me like it wouldn't be that confusing what happened and that's why i'm confused by these answers that seem a little bit different over the two depositions well i mean i think we can assume that what's important is when she initially answered the question she said i know who kurt nimo was so we can assume that she's murdered kurt nimo it's i think it's nimo he's not a captain he doesn't pilot the nautilus all right fine um so uh this next clip uh paiz has a bit of an answer that is troubling about alex's phones she directly contradicts alex's own testimony that's not good about alex's own that's not good

no don't do that do you believe mr jones has produced all of his text messages relating to sandy hook that he had in his possession after the anticipation of litigation and here's the problem with that is that i don't know what he has on his phone because i don't know what he what if anything would have been on the phone at that time period and the reason only reason why i say that is i know that he's got new phones so he doesn't have access to anything that's on prior phones when he saw the wires he's got burners he wouldn't have anything that's for prior phones um i'm sure that if he well actually i don't want to say that because i'm not sure but in any event like i said i don't know when he would have gotten a new phone such that he would have access to those messages you

read mr jones's november 2019 deposition i read the march 2019 deposition i don't think i got to the november one okay because see mr jones testified something totally opposite which you just said which is that he got new phones but they have the same sim card and off a cloud storage and he doesn't lose text messages okay any reason to dispute that no okay oops oops i guess i made that thing up i guess i made that excuse up i mean a minute ago and the reason is because uh the context of this is surrounding mark having a text message that alex should have on his phone that involves sandy hook yeah and was not produced because elizabeth williamson from the new york times had reached out to mark that she had a text exchange with alex that included the word sandy hook and it

was not produced in discovery right this leads to suspicion that all the texts were not necessarily turned over right and so that's kind of the area where she's trying to wiggle around well i mean she literally avoided saying what she was about to say was i'm sure if he could have returned over all of his text messages he would have and then she stopped herself and said well i'm not sure he would well it would be generous to assume that uh uh it's only inability that's stopping him i mean she said it true doesn't get more obvious than that yeah i think he would probably lie to you if he could that's my that's my honest opinion well i mean if i weren't in this position i would or if i was at like a high stakes gambling table i would bet every time on alex like

100 everything so another big chunk a big thing of uh what this deposition gets into in the early stages is um what awareness did the company have of the plaintiffs right um and i just enjoyed this can you summarize for me what the company knows about neil hustling could you be more specific no no this happens this happens a number of times there are a number of instances where she asks her to be more specific and both mark and bill are like no i will not be more specific can you explain to me what the company knows about suspiciously everything i don't know why i just got here two weeks ago and i find out they know everything about this guy that's fucked up right we have their dna on file we've cloned them next question

could you be more specific so um uh has appears to be unaware of what the company knows uh in specific about uh neil hustling the company may have produced documents or my attorneys may have produced documents i don't know that's what okay you don't know what the company may have or may not have produced about neil hustling before or after the litigation both so before the litigation i don't think that the company had many much or if at all in information about neil hustling okay what about after um after i am aware that there was some information about um some legal issues that he may or may not have had in connecticut um you mean after the lawsuit was filed somebody went and found out about that i i believe so okay prior to this lawsuit in terms of its sandy

hook coverage has a company ever done any research on neil hustling i don't believe so so here we come to strike two in terms of this deposition ignoring the direct instructions given by the judge from the hearing quote the company's knowledge of the plaintiffs clearly the representative who was sent did not even try to determine what the company knew since she had no knowledge of documents that were provided by the company she was there representing and the discovery of in these cases so i consider it to be the minimum efforts or the corporate representative to review every document produced by the company in this litigation prior to their deposition when daria did her deposition she had no awareness of documents that free speech systems had produced relating to their

knowledge of the plaintiffs and so as part of alex getting another chance to provide a corporate rep they were going to be required to review all the documents that involved this subject as is painfully obvious from this exchange miss pos did not do that this is clear specifically as it relates to mr hustling because just as one example we have from prior depositions the company produced an email that david night sent to himself with the subject line quote connecticut carry releases the troubled past of neil hesslin from before the lawsuit there was also that email that david night sent himself with the subject line quote neil hesslin father of sandy hook victim faces criminal charges which he sent to himself one night at three in the morning before the lawsuits we already

have a concrete demonstration that two of the judge's specific demands have not been respected and we are not very far into this thing no it is just uh clear and yeah i don't know it's it's it i mean here's the thing that bums me out right if i'm a lawyer and i'm hired by alex jones and i have been even slightly aware of what's going on the first thing i would have done is read none of the documents and read all of the previous depositions to figure out where it is i should avoid lying in tandem do you know what i mean sure like that you know there's so many lies going on you got to know what lies you're trying to back up you might want to um read daria's for cautionary tales totally figure some stuff out of it and then but you can discount a lot of the like actual

factual stuff oh just make sure you're sort of in sync with what alex said kind of and then learn from the mistakes of the people who came before you and bring bring everything with you i'm talking all the other doc depositions and so if they ask me a question like uh do you mean like in this thing i'd be like hold on let's take the next half hour while i find this you know like that's how you do it sure sure grind it to grind it to grind them down horrible halt so another issue is whether or not the company had um uh knowledge about scarlet lewis another of the plaintiffs of course and so there was an email that was wolfgang how big harassing uh miss lewis right um and it was part of it had to do with like why if you were so worried did you stop to get coffee

you know like that that yeah that kind of thing yeah and so uh mark brings up the coffee and this is this is sort of uh miss pos trying to respond i don't i don't get the sense that she really knows what is being referred to here okay do you know about the car about scarlet lewis and the coffee do you understand what i mean when i talk about scarlet lewis and the coffee um i believe that i read somewhere that there was something um about miss lewis or someone connected to miss lewis going to get coffee for some people that were on scene of the shooting that day all right so that's some knowledge that somebody gave the company about miss lewis right or at least that it thinks that it has about miss lewis right um i think that that was in the news cycle around that time

so who's news cycle of that information was maybe it could be the email where wolfgang hobig was harassing miss lewis could it maybe do that like i said i don't know that anybody had ever read that email did you check did i check about that specific email yeah okay that's not good wow yeah i mean it's pretty easy to confuse um harassing emails with the news cycle yeah you know yeah you know we've been through this with uh with daria and with oh my god we've been through this so many times it's true it's true and each time you look at it and you see uh what it amounts to a pair of sharks murdering what's left over of chum right this time it's supposed to be a lawyer true it's supposed to be somebody on equal footing well she's not there as

illegal uh she's not there to practice law very very clearly for illegal purposes well true but i mean at least argumentative wise you would think you sure and i do think that because of that she does and i mean she holds her position a little bit better in a number of instances than someone like daria rob do would right right right um but yeah it's it i think it's very different for that reason that she has a familiarity with the law right and then second because she's not part of info wars right she is an outside agent who's being like i'm a hired gun here and i i don't know why you wouldn't just be like i don't know so honest yeah so absurdly honest like still think it still feels like she's trying to make stuff up in order to explain away things why in a way that

serves no one's purpose nobody's happy because of this it's not helping him it's not helping you and it's not helping us no and there's like they talk a bit about what she's being compensated and it is a flat rate according to her yeah there's not like she worked extra time than she expected and she's not billing for extra hours sure there's no implication that there's some kind of a bonus that that could be achieved right right right no it's a gig it seems very bizarre to me that she's acting this way god i mean just scorched earth it's so honest that it would astonish people that's the only way that you would do it there is literally no reason why is she would not get as familiar as she can with these subjects and then everything that she didn't just be like i don't

know i have no idea i was not able to i mean legit just be like straight in the eyes the this whole deck is stacked against you and me we're all fucked here let's do what we can do and then let's get out of here and i i mean mark and bill both at various points express that something of the i i empathize with the position that you're in right this is not something that anybody could do right right but i'm sick of this shit so is it yeah sorry you're here today they have a big uh energy of me on the phone with someone from xfinity you know like yeah i'm not mad at you it's not you it could be a scarecrow sitting where you are sorry but i'm coming for that fucking scarecrow okay so sorry that you are talking to me right now because i hate your

company you didn't personally hurt me i don't i don't even know you but guess what your company sucks and i have to i have to let you know about it gotta really tear you apart yeah yep so there is a bit of that yeah um so more discussion comes up about scarlet lewis and this is really i found this fascinating um there's a uh wanting to get on the record whether or not the company believes these plaintiffs to be gun control advocates right because that's a lot of the justification that alice has for treating them the way he did right all right because they're gun control activists there in the public eye or whatever his argument is yes of course they've entered the political realm of course yes um and so miss lewis has a charity and this exchange is truly bizarre

do does the company contend miss lewis as a gun regulation advocate i think miss lewis operates a non-profit organization i believe i did read some material in the disclosure in the discovery materials that she operates a non-profit uh for school safety so have anything to do with guns i guess that depends on what guns what school safety means and you don't know do you you don't know what the jessie lewis choose love movement does or advocates do you um i don't know what she says it advocates for but i know that there are different interpretations as to what school safety means okay i just want to put this really clear because you seem to you seem to be trying to insinuate that there is a potential interpretation

of miss lewis's charity that it is gun regulation related in some way is that accurate i don't know but what i'm saying is she operates a non-profit that non-profit has a goal in a stated directive and however anyone wants to interpret that is a matter of opinion but she operates a non-profit charity i get that so we have a setup here where miss paas is trying to like paint this like well it's opinion you know whatever you're welcome to make up your own ideas a school safety thing that what is that about other than gun gun there's literally no way to find out what a charity spends its money on and is trying to do they have they have some regulations about that reporting oh um but you don't even have to go that far because in his next clip miss paas learns

in real time what this charity is about and then has to pivot oh my god what is wrong with watch watch the move that happens here okay i mean personally am i sitting here today saying that she's a gun control advocate no but what i'm saying is i think that the hosts and writers at info award in their opinion could interpret that as being gun control advocacy do they individually as individual writers and individual hosts i can't testify as to what they think all right let's just testify then to what the company thinks sure is she a gun control advocate does does the company contend that and all before you enter that sure you understand i'm going to trial i need to discover what the company is or is not going to argue about these plaintiffs what knowledge it has what its

contentions are yeah i think it's fair don't you think that if the company is going to contend scarlet louis as a gun advocate i get to know that right i think it is a reasonable um interpretation of the nonprofit that she could be a gun control advocate and if a host or a writer wanted to argue that from that angle i think it's a reasonable interpretation of that activity of the activity of her charity yes teaching emotional intelligence to children in schools if that's what it does okay so first of all let's start here you have no idea what miss garland louis's charity does right i have not done any independent research on her charity okay so in terms of asking what the company contends miss scarlet louis does with her charity in terms of what its advocacy is company has no information

right i know what she says it it does okay what does the company know that miss louis says it does what she says it does is advocate for um advocate for safe space for children to express themselves emotionally okay how could that be gun control advocacy like i said it depends on the opinion of the person and you were the one who said it could be so tell me tell me how how how can school safety be construed as gun control advocacy teaching children emotional things how does that if that's in fact what it does i don't know you're the one who just told me that you said that what i told you that is what she says her company does i don't know whether that is an actual statement of fact there might be something surreptitious she might not be telling the truth about what her charity

i don't know i haven't done anything right okay okay got you got you now i get it i'm sorry i was i was having a trouble because i was thinking that the company's knowledge about what miss louis does you were taking miss louis at her word but because the company can't verify that and has done nothing to verify that you can't say that's right got you all right amazing weird thing to agree to at the end the way that's presented yeah because you can't confirm this and you've done nothing to try you've decided to be suspicious yes yep you got it that's our company baby i think that clip does a really good job of illustrating this kind of amateurish improv that miss paas is having to engage in order to make it through the deposition she has no idea what miss louis's charity is about

but she thinks it has to do with school safety in a way that you could imply that it's secretly about gun control it's something that people could have different opinions on depending on your interpretation and then after going a ways down that road she learns that it's actually a charity about fostering emotional intelligence in young students and she was forced to stick with that premise that she's already established and now she's left with an unfortunate uh an uncomfortable decision she could either admit that she had no idea what she was talking about and was making up assessments that she made earlier or she has to stick to her guns it implied that this charity that's about teaching the core values of like kindness and forgiveness is secretly a gun control

front that miss louis is being dishonest about right you can hear mark kind of laughing periodically in this and it's because of things like this it feels like even at this point he's pretty sure this deposition isn't going to be productive and likely he's going to lead to more sanctions i mean on the other hand i feel like i could really have fucking nailed this one it just been like listen okay you teach kids emotional intelligence they grow up to be emotionally intelligent people why are they buying guns if everybody's emotionally intelligent nobody's buying guns do you get it man i think that would be hard in a situation where you have follow-up questions right if you're alex being a demagogue yeah exactly that would be awesome that would be

a perfect explanation all day all day man i could rattle those off what are you trying to create a perfect world where no one's a threat to each other then why would i buy guns that's insane what's the second amendment for if nobody's trying to kill each other this is the long con gun grab absolutely the ultimate gun grab yeah the not need for guns so in this next loop they shift over to lennard posner and on behalf of the company uh miss pos expresses that they believe that he was doing anti first amendment there we go how does the company today feel about the fact that it was disclosing this kind of information about a sandy hook parent to the public to millions of people how does it feel about that i think that mr posner is an activist in many ways i think that

his his company is engaged in political speech and i think his company is a public company that could be commented on publicly what politics is what do you mean politically what's the ideology of mr of honor sure the company's position is that he's engaged in anti first amendment activity thank you that's one of the instances where like if i heard that thank you i'd be like oh i just said something that's useful the company's position is that he's engaged in anti first amendment activity and you said thank you i don't think that's good no i think that's probably is going to look bad yeah there i mean yeah part of my goal if i was doing this would be to played or quoted the least in the trial you know like i want to be my name should be mentioned

the fewest number of times that's my goal yeah your goal is to make it so like all right maybe we'll go back to the daria deposition that might have been more useful yeah yeah yeah let's bring daria back in here that's what that would be my goal yeah yeah yeah so there was a news report that info wars covered and had to do with the shooting in pakistan and there were children who were killed and there was a memorial that included a picture of mr posner's son and some other victims of of shootings along with pictures of the victims of this shooting and this was reported by info wars as this kid has died again mysteriously of course it was and so there's a conversation about whether or not alex would have known that covering that that way

would have been offensive right in the past you think the answer would be a very resounding yes of course obviously maybe not the emails that we were referring to earlier on about mr posner communicating his displeasure with the coverage were not responded to by mr jones they were responded to by other people i don't know what mr jones knew or didn't know about mr posner's communication of displeasure at this point in time because you didn't read his deposition right where you're talking right but assuming that i will also say that this is not altogether uncommon where you source another article and publish the article i don't know that necessarily this is an adoption by mr jones of what the content of the article is now you okay well

actually i was about to say well you know it is because you watched the video but you didn't watch the video no no no this video let me i'm sorry yes i didn't watch this video okay because mr jones says in this video that either the pakistan thing is fake or the sandy hook thing's fake one of these has to be fake do you know he said that i don't know i didn't watch that video okay well all right so and here we have yet another instance of a very clear and direct refusal of alex's team to follow the judge's instructions in preparing for the deposition from the judge at that hearing quote they should watch every video in the weeks leading up to the deposition they should identify for themselves for the company every statement they believe in those videos has a source and they

should make efforts to determine what that source was and they should be able to intelligently answer intelligently as to the sources and efforts they have taken to determine those sources on a very basic level this is just a failure and miss pos didn't watch the video they're talking about and you can see how this makes her unable to answer questions about its content let alone further questions about its sourcing yeah just where there's nowhere to go yeah that list of uh that list of things from the judge is now taking on more of like a i want a pony and i want world peace and i want yeah that's none of that shit's happening well but but you're talking about it as like impossible asks like world peace and and a pony right getting anybody from info wars to tell

the truth well but that's because of who you're asking right you know right it's like the request isn't some kind of a like uh the idealistic sure impossible to deliver in any other case this is the sort of requirement that would be right would be reasonable yeah yeah but i mean at this point you're you're asking the wind for information man the info info wars is a force of nature towards this court i understand that but but framing it as like the request is for world peace implies that like you or i or anybody else who's in this position being sued would be unable to find a way to comply with the court whereas in reality it's just like it's not it's like requiring a chocolate bar yeah from someone who staunchly refuses to admit the chocolate exists

he's never had you're not going to get that there's no such thing as chocolate you're not going to get that candy bar what are you talking about there's no chocolate right so it's it's a very very attainable request that the court is making of alex but at this point it just feels like it's impossible because they are making it impossible they are they are non-compliance force of nature so um there is uh the whole thing about um you know uh Leonard Posner's son's image traces back to and has to do with the copyright strikes right that he was filing on these conspiracy videos in order to get them strikes on uh youtube get them taken down and he thinks he's in a an advocate for the end of the first amendment or whatever right so in one of these videos uh alex

has a copyright uh claim uh and so this this is uh something that is asked uh of miss pos what's going on here it says he showed a copyright claim document on camera do you know what that refers to um i think it probably refers to mr posner's attempts to get videos removed are you do you know that or is that just kind of something you're thinking might be true right now i think that that's what's true but have have you done anything to figure that out no so that document and actually can you go ahead and flip the page again for me no on the first page yeah now we're going no now we're going to the one that says nine two four so it's keep going it'd be the next page do you see the baits number nine two four yes okay and on this page on segment four it also talks about

showed copyright claim document on camera yes okay if this is the complaint or some sort of complaint from mr posner you haven't done anything to locate it or figure out what it is no but what this means to me is that during the segment he showed the actual document on his document camera on his document on his desk camera right exactly he did oh and that's just like the thank you yeah exactly yep yes yes correct and that's because this is another infringement of the judge's direct orders from the hearing quote they need to be able to speak about everything alex jones said in any of those videos about every piece of paper he holds up every piece of paper he shows on that desk camera so specifically things that were shown on the desk

camera right right right huh so clearly this requirement has not been satisfied ironically i was listening to this and i was thinking i think i would be one of the few people in the world who could actually do a decent job as the corporate yeah totally for it totally yeah yeah they should have paid you way more than 30 grand and you had a crush ironically i think i could answer most of the questions the fucking heel turned moment of mark sitting at a deposition desk at you walking in as the corporate representative you should have a fucking world championship belt on that's be like uh mcman and austin hugging the ring at wrestle mania yes oh the end of an era yeah i know that's uh i don't know why she's not lying about the things that would make her look

like it's a reasonable lie you know like did you look into this listen it was on my list of things to look into but there were a million things to look into you know it and i know it it wasn't possible for me to look into this instead she's just like nope didn't give a fuck about this one next yeah functionally i'm not sure there's that much difference no no but it is different so one of the things that i think is uh fascinating and will plague everyone who has any familiarity with this case until the day they die is the fact that there was that ridiculously in-depth gigantic background check of lennard posner yep in the documents that were handed over by uh alex and his his company yep and no one seems to know we have another person to ask what the fuck man yep can you

summarize any other information the company has about mr posner has as we sit here today um i have seen a background check that was produced in the production okay tell me about that where did that come from you know interestingly enough i cannot determine where that came from that's less interesting than you might think true true all right mark yep it is less interesting everyone has no idea where it came from this came from it's uh suspicious in the uniformity of no one knowing anything about this this is not a mystery yeah no it is you can just jordan it is an unsolved mystery it's not yep when you understood that that background report exists what did you do to find out where it came from so i have spoken to mr jones i've spoken to mr do i've tried to go

through the production material and the emails to find out if it was if it was produced in an email i don't see it connected to an email um mr jones is not aware of where it came from mr do is not aware where it came from i can speculate but i don't want to do that because i don't honestly know where it came from i do know it it is amongst the materials in the production but i can't testify as to when it when or how it came to be there well somebody put it in there right i don't know how it came to be there well i know that i know you don't know but somebody put it in there right had to have gotten there somehow yeah exactly i don't want this conversation that happens in like the front office of a medical room did just be like well you know these things happen

what are you gonna do you leave scissors inside you know you win some you lose scissors scissors have to get into a body somehow this is a massive background check yeah it's i mean there is an answer to the question and it's very frustrating that it's entirely possible that no one does know it's within our grasp though it is it is it is a knowable thing it seems like it should be um yeah i mean i guess one of the ways that it could be figured out i don't know how i don't know if this is even possible or if you'd need like a court order or something but like obviously the background check would have had to have been run by somebody yeah you might have some record of who did it yeah by that yeah maybe i don't know but yeah as at this point it's absurd

no answer it is absurd you can't have a background check like that and then just have 15 depositions where everybody's like no no idea never heard of it yeah what yeah so another thing that's bizarre is this clip now you understand there's a protective order in this case yes and i haven't seen a signed protective order acknowledgement from you have you done that i've not been prior to one but i'm happy to do it okay but in other words before being exposed to my client's confidential information you didn't sign a protective order no i haven't signed anything okay that's really fucked up that's not good no that's not good no there's a protective order in the case for a good reason and you're supposed to have signed entry into that protective order before you're given access to anything yeah

i had to sign one before me and mark could talk about anything yeah that had to do with anything with this case right um and i did sign one and that's why i couldn't talk about or didn't want to even risk any possible questions coming up or any conversation that might come up right like we didn't talk about me going to be at the deposition for a couple months afterwards no like there was no public conversation of any of this stuff because i was signed on to this protective order what you should have considered was just not signing it it seems like such a massive uh failure of seems really important yeah yeah you could have just not done it apparently i mean i'm there are no rules i mean i think that this is a good rule and i'm happy to be bound by it even if other people aren't

but like i feel like the fact that it exists and they have this person who has made it all the way to the sitting in the deposition without having signed um this it's it's troubling and maybe should be a problem in a in a case where uh the honor system is not one that can be relied upon i would say is the least yeah yeah yeah so this clip is just weird i don't really know how to set it up uh just weird do you see a video on here that starts with professor claims yes okay and then i see you've taken some notes over to the side right yes that like i said this is just my basic bullet point clip of what that video is about and then i have more in depth notes later on okay and so one of the notes that you've taken on that

video um first can you tell me the date on that video uh 110 2013 okay and then you have some notes in there about owen shroyer yeah can you tell me what that means um it might have been owen was either in that video or did the interview um or something to that effect or maybe had was the source for the information or something no i don't think it would have been the source it would have been the person who was doing the video okay but um i could be mistaken on that can i check my more in-depth notes yeah on that video it's let's see yeah so for that video i have the reporter as owen shroyer okay and his source was james tracy and his his website okay various other sources i have i'm a little concerned about that

answer okay because owen shroyer didn't start working it in fours till 2016 did you know that uh i did so you know it might might be a typo on my part yeah okay she mixed up paul josef watson right right right which is i'm looking down at these uh notes you've written and uh it it appears that this is a dick butt it appears that you have drawn dick butt uh is this owen shroyer that you're talking about um owen shroyer did not get hired as dick butt until a couple years after that yeah that is a troubling um wild but it shows at least an illustration that all right some of the information that you may have that you are providing is inaccurate yep completely you're just off script this is out of control there's never going to be any clarity nobody's just going to come out and be

honest well i i don't think that this is a moment of dishonesty no this is this is like even if you are telling the truth right or trying as hard as you can there is reason at least to believe that there are instances of you have just got it wrong completely wrong so blah here we go anyway um in this next clip we talk about our old friend someone we haven't heard uh much about uh in a while lian macadoo this claim that they bold it was the house and got rid of it that's not only uh that's not a claim that was just made in that video um i'm sure that it was made in other videos so i've watched other videos that have contained this particular claim of the house being bulldozed okay would you like to talk about that yeah where does that come from this house being bulldozed

sure um you mean where did alex jones get the belief that the house was bulldozed right i believe that there were property records that had indicated that the house was bulldozed have you seen those i have not seen the documents no have you tried to locate them no i don't think they were amongst the documents that the company has all right do you understand the story that was that this okay so this video covers a story by lian macadoo do you understand that story sure okay you know who lian macadoo is yes okay she's somebody whose work is featured in this video yes okay you talked to her no i didn't so this is uh about adam lands house just for context right and we have now come upon another admission of failure to follow basic instructions miss paz is admitting that she is

aware that the claim that they're discussing relies on reporting done by lian macadoo but that she didn't try to contact lian from the judge's directions quote they need to search for every person quoted in each video and by that i mean they need to search every single thing info wars or free speech systems or alex jones has in their possession on paper in email on a text on any other communication system or in the mind of any employee or former employee or guest of the show anything and everything while paz uh was a little bit wishy washy but whether or not she called or tried to call curt nimo here it's pretty direct that she didn't even try to contact lian and thus she didn't make the simplest effort uh an attempt at trying to figure out what the reporting

relied on which was then used as the basis for alex to report on what he did and it's impossible to untangle the sourcing because you didn't try amazing just just that moment of pure comedy you know just that so did you try and reach out to her nope just a the bright cheery tone of voice that came with a nope didn't even try fuck that noise that might be also a part of her growing annoyance yeah yeah i think absolutely there's a dynamic that as this goes on both of them get a bit more annoyed right right because there's no way for this to go well no she doesn't have enough information to do a good job nope she doesn't have any information she's working as a sort of you know part-time employee or temporary employee for someone who has a vested

interest in not doing a good job absolutely yeah so it's oh man it's chaotic brutal and dumb so here's another violation of the judge's orders oh wait actually do you know do you know what employees were involved in creating that video um unless it's on that list that we've previously marked do you want to yeah let's take out that list yeah take out that let's tell me if it is so this is Exhibit 6 October 26 2017 no that's not one of the dates that's on here so in other words you won't be able to tell me what employees were involved in creating this video no these dates go from 2013 through 2015 correct so once again from the judge quote they need to be prepared to identify and describe the role of every employee involved with every video

so yeah we whiffed on that one too yeah and like i'm just including some examples that are pretty transparent and obvious of the like times that the judge's direct instructions yeah what weren't followed there are so many more of them that it would just get repetitive yeah yeah and it's not cherry picking really either that it's not like there are a hundred examples of her being prepared and like i can't talk about this and then i just chose the one that was no good it's just this is just a rank inability to do the thing that you're there to do in sort of opposition to the direct orders that the judge gave right established why this was happening in the first place right right right yeah it's a bummer yeah they set up a pitching machine to the judge's balls that might

as well be what we're talking about here yeah but it does allow for you know those opportunities for things to be said that could be oh yeah pretty troubling like you know it's a company's position that Leonard Pozner was opposed to the First Amendment gotta say it um or i mean in past depositions things like Daria saying on behalf of the company that Wolfgang how big sounds like a committed sounds like he knows what he's up to who's just trying to get to the bottom of the story who loves what he does or saying that Dan Badandi's a good reporter why what's wrong with saying Dan Badandi's a great reporter yeah so there are those things yeah and i think that this next clip is actually another of those um and it's miss pause trying to uh argue that

when Owen got on air and said the things that he did that were uh defamatory towards Mr. Heslin yeah that he wasn't relying on Jim Fetzer who was the underlying information source of the the claims he was relying on zero hedge right because they published the article right that mr. Fetzer's information was in and then uh this is crystallized i would say that the reliability of mr. Shroyer is not on mr. Fetzer it's on the reporting of zero hedge you understand what i'm saying so i do no i get it would have in publishing the article would have vetted the claim would they that's so in how do you know that because info wars entire premise is you're it's commenting like i said it's a it's a it's a it's like a citizen blogger commentator pundit whatever

okay so we're not doing independent independent analysis or independent journalism or i'm not investigating these things we're not investigative reporters so we're pulling other articles from the internet those people are writing their articles we've seen those those sources have been reliable in the past and we are relying on those people to vet their own sources if they don't vet their own sources that's that's on them that's not info wars is hands clean for anything they put on the show that they didn't themselves right is what you're saying that's the position okay that's i don't know how that's gonna play i like i like the little pause after he repeated back to her what she just said to him in a way that she finally understood what she just said and she

went yep that's the company's position they say i guess that is a probably troubling level of refusal to take responsibility for anything it probably won't look that great we could do whatever we want as long as we didn't write it that's just such a that's such a classic well it sounds bad when you say it well sure if you put it like that it sounds like we're a bunch of morons well when you take off all my bells and whistles man so get into some of the specific claims of like wolfgang halbig's stuff that was reported re-reported by alex right and one of those is that there was no traffic to the the website the sandy hook schooled website right and therefore it must have been closed of course and now the reason that this is where we're you know we're

jumping to here and and i think the reason that this is thematic is that this is potentially something that isn't them being a pundit right this is something that conceivably could be presented as investigative journalism is it or is it not well first question that we see is why does the sandy hook elementary school website have zero traffic for four years you see that yes all right you know where that comes from yes i believe that the top the source for that particular contention was the wayback machine how did the wayback machine write it so you're first of all are you saying info wars went and figured this out went to the wayback machine and came up with this theory on its own oh you mean where is this source the original source for this

belief i'm not sure but i know that we have amongst our documents a printout from the wayback machine so at the very least if it wasn't originated here it was checked into because we have the wayback machine right i believe he even put that on if it wasn't in this video it might have been another video he did like a screenshot like a desk cam to the wayback machine desk cam of this way back and stuff where does that come from where do you get that you mean where did he get the idea to go there i don't know i don't think he didn't go there i'm sorry he didn't go there well that picture i know where that picture is from okay okay so i'm trying to figure out if you know where that picture is from all i can testify is to the document that i saw from the wayback machine okay that's a

chapter in jim fetters book did you know that i did not know that he wrote a book called nobody died at sandy hook you know that i know you wrote a book yes yeah and the whole wayback machine thing that is totally false not real okay comes from jim fetts or you didn't know that i didn't know that i didn't go to the wayback machine myself to check well yeah i mean you wouldn't know how would you even go there i mean what would you look up i don't know i didn't go to check it out myself all i saw was the document from the wayback machine that's all i saw that there was something from the wayback machine which is shown in the video they show a picture of it yes and he did nothing to follow up to figure out where that came from i aside from looking at the document that was produced

as the source no okay and so you didn't ask anybody about this claim about the wayback machine i asked alex jones and alex jones's contention is that he saw it on the wayback machine so this is an instance where there's some sort of gray area like is this something that you're claiming is original reporting right although you already said that you don't do that right you're not doing any journalism if you're just doing just commentary and what have you yeah is that this no it's of course not it's from jim fetters book but she doesn't realize that what a mess no idea about the sourcing of stuff no it's from the wayback machine i like the way that we discussed the wayback machine in that clip as as though it was something that like it's a is held somewhere it's a it's a robotic

oracle it does feel like they're like well we can sort we consulted the wayback machine and it has given us many sacrifice three tamagotchi and it told us the we have given it a gift of acid wash genes and now we are no no no it's got to be something robotic oh because it's a wayback machine sorry i apologize i apologize yeah that's why it's like tamagotchi's they're like robot animals sure sure i get it i get it now come on you've you've correctly sacrificed an animal and a machine at the same time i get it you win you win scatter gory since that's yes you know i like to argue about scatter gory i do so um this this was kind of like odd so it's not actually original reporting right but maybe there's some other things that were done by someone named adan

salazar that might qualify uh-oh as original reporting this isn't good no i wouldn't do that an fbi crime stat which says no murders acquired in newtown in 2012 yes that's a piece of info war's independent research right nobody else researched that yeah so that was i did speak to our staff on this particular claim so um this is a source that was actually sourced from the fbi doc of website a screenshot of which was put on to an attached to the article it was written by adan salazar i think he deposed he was deposed in connection with this article um not here just wanted to make sure you understand not yeah it might you're right it was in kinetic it um and so essentially uh what happened with the article and um it was not reported from another source

okay so it was original reporting on right in the context of mr salazar you're getting it because it was not found from another source it was he went to fbi.gov and he saw this and then the problem with the number it does say zero for newtown for 2012 but the problem for the does it or does it say that for newtown police department if you let me finish um then what it says is the fbi.gov stats is per town not per department so per town newtown says zero but if you scroll to the very bottom like at the end of the list of towns there's an asterisk that says the state police do not report to the fbi so that is the source of the confusion so to speak or the error for that particular stat but it does say if you scroll down to newtown it does say zero

but he didn't scroll all the way down the page so close and honestly i don't know the answer as to why the state police don't report to the fbi that's the real problem individually reports to the fbi their statistics okay just to make sure that you're not putting things on the record that are evident sure they absolutely 100 do report to the fbi there's actually a 500 page report that that chart is generated from has departments from every department in connecticut has for the connecticut state police list the 27 children murdered at sanny oak has an asterisk saying these are the 27 i just want to make sure you understand okay at the bottom of that article not the article but at the bottom of the fbi.gov all that's really in there is the asterisk it does not include

state police statistics that's all it says right so you would he would have had to go and research the reason why that the estate police do did not report for that particular those particular numbers and things like that or he would need to pull up the document referred to on that chart the ucr you know what the ucr is right but what i'm saying is he didn't scroll all the way to the bottom no but up at the top of the document okay where it says that these figures all here come from the ucr okay he never went and got the ucr okay all he did was look at the chart saw the big fat zero and then reported it and we talked about how this didn't come from anybody else this was independent research done by info wars on sandy hook right right that was a report that he

did not get from someplace else apparently as far as i know it was something that somebody had seen he might have gotten a tip yeah so salazar might have gotten a tip oh boy um so yeah this is uh this is a homegrown reporting and you can hear just like the very basic laziness and sloppiness and desire to reach the decided outcome you know like willingness to just like i will not take this a step further and figure out what we're reporting i will just i have the optics that i need i'm going this is good enough it's just it's just lazy shitty work let let it never be said that the the oh man jordan's career really ended because he didn't scroll all the way to the bottom well adan salazar's career did not about that's true adan salazar's career did not end it's yeah but

seriously scroll all the way to the bottom yeah read read the thing that you're claiming proves a conspiracy i mean how do you not know everything that happens period from that one clip you know like i i think i think that she even said it she even said it he looked at it he saw the big fat zero and it was done yeah she said every part of their editorial strategy everything that they do right there they got what they wanted they quit and that's what happened well and i think that one thing that i don't maybe we don't take enough time to recognize sometimes is like trying to role play or imagine in your head what you would do if you actually believe the things they pretend they do right like so if you're adan salazar and you actually believe that there's a global cabal

of satanic weirdos who are you know controlling everything and they're trying to kill everybody off and they stage this shooting in order to get people's guns and you found this piece of evidence that is there were no right the murders there right you would dig deeper right i think actually the opposite is true you would want to know every single thing about these stats you would want to understand it because this would be something that you could use that helps prove your case you're way off because i know that makes sense to you here's what makes sense if i get into that headspace what makes sense to me is i better get a screenshot of this quick because they're going to take this down sure get a screenshot of it quick and then continue to learn no no no i got

my screenshot right i think the difference that we have is that you're looking at this through a more realistic opportunistic yeah what these these scammy conspiracists are all about and i'm looking at it from a what if they were sincere yeah if it was sincere absolutely also the other thing you learned from this is don't try to bring up pieces of evidence that were misused about sandy hook to mark because he knows what they're talking about i don't know why it is that they feel like mark and bill are coming into this with a very laissez faire attitude as opposed to we've literally spent yeah how many years doing this i've memorized these fucking documents at this goddamn point i think that maybe you're so used to talking to people like alex or is like i don't know i don't

know anything this is i just said this shit like you just to see everybody doesn't know yeah that's probably true and it is not the case oh i'm in a different i'm in a different animal and aren't i who boy so don salazar i think might be a total creep i'm getting the vibe from things that you learn about this guy that uh he might be a like number one uh top tier grade a weirdo oh inside info wars oh boy we don't know even he even inside info wars yeah oh boy we don't know so much about him generally because he doesn't come on the show or anything he's not a front of camera person but like pretty consistently through these depositions and through things here it's like he was one of the people who was like really interested in sandy hook conspiracies yeah he seems to be like right

there with some of the more fucked up things right connected to some of the more fucked up guests right right right he also followed us on twitter for a while sure he realized we knew he followed him it was a bad idea on twitter it was a bad idea followed us um but anyway he was really into doing the sandy hook stuff right and that comes up here these are very out of character articles that we do so out of character so there were a couple here that adan did that i and as i said earlier adan was more into this than most of the other people involved in in info wars um and so he did a couple of independent pieces that really were out of out of the realm of what is usually done by the company so like for example he did that batman article i don't know if you read that

right so um he got a tip from somebody on social media and he's like and saw that he's like oh okay wow that looks pretty cool and he he did this dive into you know the three batman movies and then what that area was called in the comics and then he wrote that article so that was independent reporting on his part it's out it's really not the usual uh piece that the company would do when when adan got tipped off that the appearance of the name sandy hook on the dark night map could suggest predictive programming that suggests foreknowledge of the sandy hook attack being staged by globalist illuminati types he thought that was cool does he think it's cool is that a question no did he did he did think that was cool are you asking me whether he

that's the word you used i'm just trying to confirm it was a cool i mean it was pretty cool i mean that's unfortunate she does explain like hey barling it's interesting i mean what do you want me to say it was it was tubular i i don't know i mean it was dope it was boss yeah yeah yeah the kids are saying it's based yeah so you got it on salazar just fingerprints everywhere with sandy hook nonsense yeah he did that uh the batman story he's got to but he did more he did even more why wouldn't he he did a similar article about a slasher thriller thing uh sandy hook too um which he just found to be interesting just because of the name commonality but um as far as the other things sourced in there i don't know that he thought that was cool but the name commonality i think

he thought was cool let's take a detour over to the slasher film sure sandy hook laundry party masker yes okay you and you've read documents about that uh i believe we're at the article and i spoke to adan about he's got emails they sent to people about it right he did tell me he reached out to the producer of that video have you seen those those emails those have been in deposition before yeah i don't know if i've read the specific emails yeah but i don't remember i know they exist though i'm just i'm just trying to remember if you remember adan saying to that person who ran that horror slash a movie blog we know this is ridiculous but we're gonna run it anyway do you remember him saying that to him i don't dispute i don't remember in all honesty but he could have very

well said said that okay and all it is is just an interesting commonality between the names that's all way to wipe that off i actually know mr salazar wrote an email to the guy who ran that blog basically accusing him of foreign knowledge of the sandy hook attack didn't he oh i don't know i didn't read any email like that so you don't remember that you didn't read an email back from the guy at the horror blog telling me don't ever contact me again you bunch of weirdos um no i didn't read any email like that when i spoke to adan adan's position was that he received a response back from the producer that he had received a lot of communication about the name of the video following sandy hook and that he wanted to be left alone and he thought it was ridiculous

okay that's a that's a pretty diplomatic way to present what clearly was yeah different sort of exchange that don had with uh with them yeah it does seem like he could have said uh he told me to fuck off yeah that would have been quicker i said some weird shit to him and he told me to kick rocks he was understandably furious at me because i was a little scared which also understandable now so um there was an interview that alex did a video that uh conveniently much like uh it's very convenient that miss pos hasn't seen these emails i hasn't said it's so weird yeah she also has not seen a video that is particularly troubling there's a part on that show where there's a guest on the show an independent media solidarity member who says linnie your day is coming my friend it

is coming and mr jones replies they made a major mistake involving us and then the person says go after them alex crushed them and then alex says i'm not somebody to mess with okay i did you've never seen that right i've never seen that no all right that's a big sign by the same token well we've already talked you've already told me there's no editorial discussion so i don't know exactly how to ask this but were there any kind of discussions in the family about saying that stuff to a sandy hook parent the stuff i just quoted what do you mean in the family i mean inside the i'm sorry let me rephrase that question were there any discussions inside the company about saying that kind of stuff to a sandy hook parent no okay hmm that's um i mean it's bad stuff to say

certainly i mean you know it's one of the interesting things whenever you like hear alex's words repeated it's like well it sounds bad when you say it like that no it sounds worse when alex says it yeah yeah he's screaming it you don't even you don't even know how bad it sounds that sounds bad if you say it in a cold dispassionate way is like oh i can't imagine somebody saying that imagine being on the full force back of an attack like that a lot of times though when you read somebody's words out of like their delivery yes absolutely it sounds bad no no no this is very generous yeah um yeah so one of the things that becomes a little bit of a problem is that there's an internal numbering and labeling system that info wars uses or that miss pos has for her videos

that doesn't quite match the one that mark has and part of this is an issue that has to do with past lawyers sure have given discovery and no one knows what's what and where it's all very disorganized it would be so much better for them if they just kept all their shit in a big bucket it really would they would make more sense for them they could just put it all in a big bucket and then they'd at least know where it was you'd know where it was it'd be very disorganized but that's why you would pay multiple people to be bucket stewards exactly hang on to the bucket the groom of the bucket keep an eye on the bucket um so yeah they can't even really like be confident that they're talking about the same no no at a certain point yeah great uh that one has a video

that's april 16th 2013 entitled shadow government strikes again you see that yes all right you watch that video just give me one second okay so again this is another thing where it's the videos that we have there's a different date so the date that's in this in the petition is april 16 2013 i have i have uh one dated for one 2013 that was an interview with dr pacenek it might it might be the same video or it might be a different video i i i really don't want answers if it might i don't like i said i don't your your your internal our internal system is saving them in different ways and you're mentioning them and they're also not full videos you know so like you

might shadow government strikes again maybe the title of a clip but it's not the entire broadcast and so the way we're saving it is not the same i get that but i we don't know do we i know i mean but if you have the whole show or it's if it's in the production i mean we've produced it do do is it the same do we know i don't know if it's the same because your date is not the same date that i have right so and it also might not be the same date because this is a clip third base being cut from the original show maybe maybe right you don't even know that do you miss pause do i know what you're referencing here no no do you don't even know whether this is a full clip or a full episode you don't know that well this i don't know and the reason is because that's

not how we mean tie in our videos like how you're referencing them here is not how we save them okay i mean so at the end of the day we don't know if you've watched this video right i don't know i can tell you about the video i watched at this and that was posted around uploaded around this time period and if it's the same video no because we really need to make sure on the fifth time i'm trying to take this deposition that we're actually talking about what we need to talk about so i don't want you to guess about what video might be this video and let's talk about that i don't want to write so i mean so we don't the easiest is we don't know if you watch this video i don't know if it's the same video that's that you're referencing no mark i'm feeling like you're getting frustrated

yes i mean this is hours in too we're at this point and yeah i mean how do you deal with the fact that you're now sitting with somebody and you can't even agree that like we're talking about the same thing honestly i don't even know what i don't know right now but i don't know it it's impossible to like exist in a law like legal context because you might be talking about different videos oh that's right i was talking about that one episode of swamp thing yeah yeah completely different my bad my bad no no let's get back to the deposition do you remember the episode of alex's show where he locked someone in a dumpster i'm sorry i'm thinking of a different show oh man do you remember that episode of alex's show whatever screech got into all that trouble oh boy different

show oh so um in this next clip uh we we learned some more people that um miss pos didn't even try to contact okay i had asked you earlier if you had talked to jacari jackson i know you said no right did you try to talk to jacari jackson no okay um darin mcbrain that's another person you didn't talk to right right did you try to talk to darin no okay mr jones very recently and we actually this was in a court hearing we played this talked about his archivist do you know who i'm talking about mr jones it was a clip we played in it seems like we should know and we actually played it in mr jones's deposition too i believe um that mr jones says i have an archivist on staff he does incredible work he should be paid about a hundred thousand dollars a year instead he's only paid

twenty thousand dollars a year which is a terrible shame but i don't understand it because mr jones the one who pays him but he says the guy is like a bloodhound and can find anything do you know who who he's talking about i'm sorry i don't know who he's talking about all right i don't know do you know if an archivist existed info i don't have any reason to believe that but i mean he may be referring to a third party company but i don't i've not been able to find anyone at info wars that has such a job yes even even pause thinks that's silly that should have that that is a good that should have led to a moment where just everybody started laughing and then it kind of died down and then everybody started laughing again because it was suddenly funny all over again

come on of course he doesn't have a fucking archivist or maybe he does he does but what am i going to say he's a secret archivist if you if you think he does have an archivist and if he does have an archivist do you think he's going to tell me about that person i didn't even talk to darren mcbreen he seems willing he's available jacari jackson may not want to talk to me and agree he seems to have not wanted to be associated with info wars moved on with his left but darren mcbreen's i think made he's right still around there i don't know maybe i don't know if he works there but he's a jayson might still be yeah i don't know yeah his son worked there yeah kellen mcbreen it's a family business lying to both of their names come up with in like emails and

stuff that has to do with the sandy hook case seems like someone you talk to you or try but now i mean there's a whole family there so one of the lowlights of the daria deposition was of course her idea that possibly spreading conspiracies about the children not dying it's about a positive world it's about hope it's about bringing hope to the children um and so that comes up here and i i think that you really you well got your finger on the pulse of this deposition that mark is getting a little bit annoyed at this point i think this was the deposition yeah that's miss carpova's deposition and what i want to ask you about is you have a note written down there and it says alex said these kids didn't die because he has a big heart and that was the company's testimony

from miss carpova correct that is miss carpova's testimony and that's the company's testimony right well she was a representative at the time of the company so yes does the company still stand by that testimony or does the company think maybe it should change that testimony um i think what i said earlier was that a vast majority of mr jones's uh opinions as as broadcast were that i don't know if kids died i'm not sure i don't know enough to inform that opinion but this may be a false flag operation maybe the government was involved that kind of thing um that's not what i don't know what she's referencing here um i think what she's saying and what the context of that is is that if he said kids didn't die this is the reason why he said it that's what i took that to mean and he did say

that right he did say kids didn't die i can reference i don't know about multiple times but i do know of at least one time that he said kids didn't die but on the whole more times than not he said he didn't know whether kids died that's i mean good for him right he said i know right that's our floor who you know what i mean like is that let me ask you this question is it the company's position that it's non-defamatory statements cancel out it's the company's position is that that is an opinion not the court's position so that's a good thing oh is it the company's position that two negatives equal a positive is uh if the company is policy a mitch head bird joke exactly what are you talking about yikes okay listen so he said it once he said it once so big deal but most of the time we

didn't say it he said it once but he also said the opposite twice yes see that's twice as good yeah so we're going to sue you so you're dead yeah that's a little snippy on mark's part all of it but i think if you watch this entire thing you learned it it's merited mark earned it absolutely so we have one last clip from this deposition and i just think that this is a really good illustration of how little uh awareness there is of some of the players and some of the things that are important in the info war sphere you know what gcn is i'm sorry gcn you know what that is yes okay and so can you tell ladies and gentlemen of jury what gcn is what do they do um you know i don't want to misstate it so i'm not i'd rather so no i don't i'm not that educated

on it to to verbalize it that way are you able to verbalize it at all like do you have any even rough idea what gcn is i just don't want to mistake what it is because i'm not a hundred percent sure i mean like you i i want to i want to know what your understanding is even if it's wrong do you understand that like what would you understand gcn to be not what is i just like i said i'm not sure so i'd rather i don't know do you know what it has to do with what's this associated with is associated with videos um i thought it was associated with it but i could be wrong but which is why i didn't want to say in the first place because i'm not a hundred percent sure it meaning the management of technology inside of infowars right okay that's definitely not

right right which is why that's okay do you know ted anderson is no okay ted anderson runs gcn gcn is a syndicate like gcn is where all of infowars radio is well maybe not all of it but a very large substantial component of infowars radio is through gcn do you know that no okay okay genesis and ted anderson are co-defendants in laffordy okay did you know that i'm not sure ooh that's deeply troubling oh boy um partially because also understanding the existence of gcn is probably necessary uh given that one of the subjects that she's supposed to be able to talk about is the distribution and reach of alex's content yeah and um i mean just anybody who has a cursory understanding of alex's career and the way the show works we have to know

ted anderson is yeah genesis like it's just um yeah i mean it's a damning portrait at that point it's just like just tell me what the three letters stand for just do it just i dare you i fucking dare you tell me what gcn stands for yeah i i just i i don't know i don't know i mean like it would be like saying that you have uh an awareness of alex's content and not knowing what bohemian grove is or something yeah it's like i doubt i doubt you do i just it's i doubt you know anything it is amazing to me that these things exist these depositions or yeah just all of this wait till the next one and then it can continue if you think that you can only fuck up so bad so many times but there's just no bottom no whenever people just decide that you don't

have to have one like if they've got enough money if you've got enough time if you've got enough everything there's no bottom yeah and if you're immune to shame yeah amazing yep it's incredible if almost all of polite society has already decided they hate you yeah you don't have any public opinion yeah exactly yeah you're free yeah so most of the rest of this deposition is about what you'd expect when there's a source for some piece of information it's said to be from wolfgang halbig and most of the time there's no real there's no new information to provide there's a bunch of claims that pads didn't try to look into and people she didn't try to contact and it gets a bit repetitive at a certain point but you can get the flavor of it you know from

what we've gone over and you can definitely feel mark's patients gradually disappear but even with limited patients mark is a bit of a teddy bear compared to the energy that bill comes in with the next day when britney is once again set to sit for a deposition this time in the marcel fontaine case uh-oh this is not a subjective judgment on my part bill is abundantly clear about how little patience he has almost immediately i hate you were you surprised when you got a call from mr paddus to be the corporate representative in this case i wouldn't say i was surprised i knew he had been working on the mr jones case for a couple of years so i wouldn't say i was surprised when you say working on he's been litigating it i believe he litigates the connecticut cases

correct so when he said hey i need you to go to texas did that surprise you not really you ever given a deposition priority yesterday no you ever served as a corporate representative no ever gone to a you know have you ever gone through a civil jury trial have i gone through a jury trial no okay so your background is in criminal law correct for the most part yes so when a civil lawyer calls you and says i'd like for you to be the corporate representative in these civil matters things you've never done before you weren't at all surprised well norm's not only a civil lawyer but no i wasn't very surprised i didn't say norm was only a civil lawyer you said when a civil lawyer calls you so he's not just a civil lawyer true or false norm's

a civil lawyer he practices civil and criminal well there we go so the answer to my question would be yes and i don't need all the extra you understand that right because i sat through yesterday and unfortunately mr bankston is far more patient than i'm going to be okay i'm i'm just putting it out there but i ask a question answer the one that's on the table you're a lawyer you know what to do right or do you know is there is there an actual question there yes do you know what to do when someone asks you a question in your position okay yep there's a bit more of an adversarial situation answer this as simply as you can what is your fucking name yeah just say it at me and don't say other shit what's your name what's your

fucking deal what's your fucking deal what is wrong with you people yeah i think that you know we have noted a difference in style between yes bill and mark it has come to our attention but it's not really as obvious as when you see that them depose the same person yeah yeah it's a it does does live up to this it is a bit confrontational at points yeah yeah they they've definitely chosen to go good cop bad cop instead of the other way around it might just be natural yeah also like he pointed out bill was sitting through most of the previous day oh he was there so he's already got a good sense of what's going on oh yeah so we're going to go through this deposition but there might not be as much relevant material to get through since

at a certain point you begin to notice that a lot of the corporate representative testimony for enforcers is really a game of trying to look like effort is being put forth but there's not a lot of new information that's being provided no and we were kind of spoiled by having rob do's confused uselessness and daria's psychopathy and the previous depositions whereas in contrast pass just seems like a person who's doing a job yeah you know yeah she's overhead because that's the job she's her job is to be in over her yeah and another reason why i don't feel like there's nearly as much meat to go over in this is that with kit daniel's deposition they essentially lost that case yeah kid started crying yeah and apologized for all this stuff and said that he was responsible

and info wars are responsible and alex told him to write these headlines right right so like in terms of a lot of the you know trying to tease out details of stuff that really stands as a as a pretty damning document right right right whatever like i don't know or i you know that that the corporate representative could do is kind of meaningless yes so but they really pause knows the job that she's being asked to do is bullshit and that if alex was taking this seriously at all he would not have sent just one person to handle all of this but she's also a lawyer and she's being paid so she can bring a veneer of professionalism to not answer in questions that it's not quite as entertaining as reps of the past yeah but that being said this falls apart a couple hours in good

and holy shit how is it possible i mean it is it is possible i i know in her world it does make sense and you wouldn't be surprised oh norm padd has called me up to give a thing i've never done before in a place i don't know about law i don't understand areas i'm not an expert i've never heard of not surprising at all that's norm to a t baby yeah he's a chaotic lawyer that does seem you know it's like to bill that would seem so surprising but she's a friend of norm paddus hey uh have you ever heard of a no-nonsense lawyer pad is the opposite all nonsense he's the opposite all nonsense i'm gonna throw a pie in the courtroom so we started off here with bill um trying to check in on whether or not uh miss pos feels like she's prepared she's doing a great job sure

do you feel sitting here right now that you're adequately prepared to discuss the topics that were in the deposition notice yes did you think walking into yesterday that you were prepared yes didn't ask as much as you could be asked if you were prepared fully prepared like i said as much as i could be yes i don't think there's anybody else who could have testified any better as to those topics okay did i ask that no did i ask you if you thought there was anyone else that could be better prepared no okay why'd you say it because it's true right but i like hot dogs is true but i'm not going to blurt it out randomly in a dead position it wasn't random it wasn't which is why i'm asking you why you said it and i just told you because it's true no

because it's relevant to your question okay oh boy this is not going well no no no we're in the teacher's office you're in trouble but i think that bill has identified by being in the deposition with mark a pattern of adding extra information in two things that aren't relevant and i think the goal here is to curb that behavior a little bit try to push back on it to make it very clear from the beginning that like i'm not going to yeah hey listen let's nip this in the bud right real quick wasting time how many we've been doing this for years we've given a lot of latitude to everybody how about you and me just cut the bullshit and let's get this done right and you have clearly chosen to not do that many of the things that you seem to be saying are equivalent to i like hot

dogs and let's move forward yeah so we get to talking about whether or not there's guidelines in place for the vetting of information and here is what miss pos has to say what did you do to prepare to discuss the company's policies regarding the factual vetting of information that info wars disseminates sure so i've spoken to um as we testified to yesterday i've spoken to a number of other people um in connection with the policies and procedures so i spoke to melinda i spoke to uh daria i spoke to rob do i spoke to um alex jones um a bunch of other people and generally speaking as far as the vetting procedures for sourcing and articles the company's position is that it does not engage in journalism so it requires the vetting be done

by the sources that it's citing so this is the setup here right there is no policy right we don't have any obligation to fact check things because that's the source's job exactly because we're not journalism despite yesterday having told you that we did journalism well there i mean no because they don't except for when adan does right all of these weird things right completely weird i guess it's kind of uh you know it's a toss up unfortunately she's said here that they don't do journalism and then we bring in an exhibit oh the front page of exhibit one can you read who that's two it says info wars staff okay and the subject line can you read it for me it says new editorial policy for all reporters journalists and writers i swear so after reporters what was that word you

said it says journalists and you told us that you have seen this prior to today correct this particular email exhibit one well exhibit one is two things so i want to know what part of it you are asking about yeah okay did you see the first page before today no don't you think you probably should have sure especially if you spoke to the person that wrote it who implemented the policies correct i did speak to kit jones so yes daniel's correct mr daniel's he withheld this information about sending this out a specific policy that was implemented post the filing of these lawsuits i don't know that he withheld it but you didn't know about it right i didn't see this no okay you wish you would have sure that's tough um you know you never like to run into a brick wall

like that yeah yeah we're not journalists well here is kit daniel's the managing editor of the site managerial role supervisory person sending out an email with new policies for reporters journalists yep yep uh yeah i think that that's kind of it paints things in a certain light after all of the damning material and all of the hilarious material i think the one thing that sticks with me so much is just that moment when owen was like well tip of the cap to you that just seems so appropriate in so many moments that nobody ever said like she should have just been like well you got me yeah or or just moving on i guess i'm a puppet i guess i'm a puppet all right okay to two owens credit the ability to just be like i'll take the l on this one yeah i take the l i think it's the

younger generation yeah yeah it's okay to take an l you don't have to take nothing but w's owen's got that broy confidence he's played baseball before i bet that's you know you lose more than you would so other than that email are there are there any other policies i bet there's not other than that policy there are there any other policies info wars has in place to vet information to vet information no okay so from the inception of info wars to february of 2000 actually i don't know what the date is on that june june 2018 there were no policies for whether or not anybody needed to vet the veracity of information that was disseminated by info wars the veracity no i do believe based on my

conversations with people that there was a i don't want to say policy but there was an understanding that there would be multiple sources used for articles um that you wouldn't rely solely on one source uh but i don't think that that's checking the veracity so there's not policies in place prior to this and this leads to a conversation about like okay so you know but like if people do do this can they get fired can anybody get fired bill veracity we don't know the meaning of the word well the i mean sure and you know like if if you do spread all this bad information you can get fired right and she says i'm sorry what she says yes i'm sorry what comes up that no one has ever been i was gonna say yeah why would you say yes so confidently and then

something comes up that blew my mind okay and also made me realize that there were policies before this because there's a fucking handbook what yes what when i've spoken to mr jones and melinda who does hr um there are they couldn't name for me specific instances where people had been fired but it is a possibility and it is listed in the handbook as up to termination so it is a possibility what about prior to june 2018 this handbook was not made in june 2018 okay when was it made it says effective date 10 12 2012 okay so that was when this was last updated i got you so it's your position that that employee handbook was updated in june of 2018 no i don't believe that this policy was ever incorporated into this into this employee handbook

was that employee handbook made specifically for info works i don't know it says free speech systems on it when i asked melinda about the handbook because i did ask to see it uh she said it was there it predated her tenure there so she doesn't know who created it or when it was updated or if anybody's read it but it had existed before that you did ask melinda though when i did talk to melinda about the handbook yes okay and when she said she didn't know surely you and asked mr jones i don't think mr jones would have known he did he didn't write this he's been at the company the longest company but he wouldn't have written this so he would know when that was initially implemented i don't know if he knows that right because she didn't

ask him i didn't ask him about the handbook no i asked melinda there was a i can't remember the name of the woman that was there before her but um okay let's let's break this down you asked someone about the handbook and they said i don't know that was before i started here right regarding when it was produced correct yes and who produced it she didn't know who why it was produced initially i don't know why it would have why it's produced but right so yeah this person says i don't know i don't know i don't know and that's where you stop your investigation the person who probably would have known didn't work there anymore and i didn't know how to reach her you used the word probably but you don't know because you didn't ask anybody that was there when it was implemented

i couldn't that person whoever would have been there is no longer there you don't think the owner of the company knows when he invoked an employee handbook no i don't why because i don't think he would have had anything to do with us well i mean i think her instincts are probably i know i really think that her answer is essentially bill you and i both know that if i asked alice this question he's gonna say i have no idea you know that i know that let's just skip over the part where i ask him questions and he pretends to know what he's talking about right i i agree with you in terms of like with the conclusion would be the same i think her guess that alex would have no idea is correct but it's still relevant to point out that you didn't ask no you got to ask in accordance

with the rules and such right here because where you live in the real world but i mean at the same time and it's what your task to do to prepare for this deposition totally and at the same time there is a part of her a part of me that understands where she's coming from where it's just like why yeah what's the point really i don't know anything look deep in my eyes and ask me why i should ask alex any question and expect an honest response you've asked him more questions than anyone in the world yeah alex may know stuff but he functionally knows nothing because he's not going to tell you anything yeah he knows things it's a you're fishing in a dry well if i told you what alex told me do you think that would have any bearing on reality probably not yeah now i want

to be very clear about something i want to get my hands on a copy of this manual i absolutely feel like it's probably something that i could get a digital version of all i want a physical copy absolutely i don't know if anybody out there has any ability to get me a copy of the employee hand book but i have you know i have mementos and like i have a collection of info wars type stuff that needs to be it has to be in the collection now that i know that an employee handbook exists yeah i mean it's probably just boilerplate bullshit oh totally i'm sure it'll be fun to go back in fantasy book when people should have been fired oh see that'll be the fun part of having the hand book is being able to go through it and be like oh 2014 you should have been fucking gone yeah

yeah so if anybody knows how to get their hands on one of those i will compensate i actually it might be illegal to buy that from somebody i have no idea what anyway i would like it we'll see what happens so um speaking of law issues um bill asks at this point if there's been any malfeasance any things that she doesn't approve of right she's seen right on the part of accountants or lawyers and here's what we got on the lawyer front okay what about any lawyers uh do i have concerns about whether lawyers in the case have breached duty to the company only with regard to anything you came across while preparing for the last two deposition anything regarding you mean the finance or statements or or anything in the entire universe

of the case anything that you came across in preparation for your depositions i did have concerns on behalf of the company regarding the company's prior representation yes what about it the company's prior lawyers okay what about them i think that there are issues that there have been even though the company has produced material to its attorneys has not been produced appropriately and has resulted in many if not all of the sanctions would that be in the texas cases or the connecticut so we've got we've got some problems with some past attorneys and they are maybe responsible for everything that's gone back here i'm just gonna say i went back and i looked through all their work it's garbage they're terrible they were

probably lying about everything honestly info wars did everything correctly they just didn't produce the documents you guys asked for it's really the lawyer's fault honestly it seems unlikely it's all their fault it's entirely that every lawyer that info wars hired just so happened to be scamming them including the lawyer that your friends with exactly who is still working on the case and the lawyer bob barnes who was on alex's show a couple days ago right talking about how monkeypox is the right next rara a pandemic plague yeah i think it's that guy's fault yeah he and alex all right whatever anyway here are some indications of who she's talking about in terms of these lawyers any lawyers in specifics um i think that there are specific issues regarding

mr randaza but although he doesn't have an appearance in this file and brad reeves and perhaps the i can't remember his name before him there were there's a six there's a bunch and i agree with you okay so brad reeves mr randaza um i'll just go mr enok i'm not sure about mr enok i think he's he's done a pretty decent job um t wade jeffreys i'm sorry i don't know much about him i don't have an opinion about him brunette michael brunette i don't have an opinion about him either yeah bob barns barns there was a moment of recognition there oh barns

uh so barns is uh on the bad list miss paz not a fan of bobby barns it's the tone of voice that you said it barns barns yeah yeah yeah so uh what problems do you have with barns i can't say any in specific but it does uh it does reach the level where they are apparently talking about suing these past lawyers of course i went over this a little bit with mr schroeder and his deposition and i'll ask you the same thing based on the information that you just testified to uh is the company has the company decided one way or another on um legal malpractice as a potential asset we have not decided on made any final decisions on legal malpractice yet as to whether to file or who to file against we've not made

any final decisions on that okay is it being has it been discussed or is it going to be discussed it's being discussed i would ask the should that discussion happen in that go forward that the plaintiffs in this case as a potential creditor uh just be made aware because that would be a potential asset to the company sure so that's interesting you know it's not like a definitive statement that we are suing these people right right right um but the conversations are happening well yeah um and again it's important that you don't have that decision uh especially not in the deposition when you're like oh yeah we're suing him i just want to remind you you're not going to get to keep any of that money barns is going down i mean we're not suing everybody i don't

know who we're suing we're suing maybe we'll change our minds we'll see what happens after you guys have left us alone for a year so we have this next clip and this is maybe the only adorable moment uh on this episode because uh the attorney for alex's side miss blot she is up to this point been sort of a bit of a non-factor maybe a little bit of an arguing i was honestly i was honestly going to ask you why doesn't she have an attorney in there with her because i feel like there are plenty of questions she could have just been like i don't need to answer these there that does come up occasionally um and also she's made some objections that you're not supposed to make in the context of a deposition and bill has had to uh say like you can object to

form you know the follow the text guidelines or whatever um but she's not played played a major role until this point when her phone rings was the company at all aware did mr randaza inform the company at any moment it's okay i'm stupid can we got the record a minute i'm okay i do you need to take that no i need to are we off the record no okay i'm older than you guys i don't know how to make it quit ringing through my phone so let me just turn it off okay and i sincerely apologize just hold the power hold the button down no the power button the sleep button no no my son just bought this for me

interesting question so i'm sorry sorry i apologize for my language it's a great moment i don't know if i could take it it's a great little moment i just i just can't i just can't believe all of this is happening in the same thing yeah you know it's like this is all fun if it happens if this happens in one case you're like whoa what a great moment i'm gonna remember that forever this is a every day this is just kind of like a humanizing like oh shucks slice of life i do like she wants to go off the record i don't want the record to know that i don't know how to use my phone the the thing that

i think is remarkable is that i believe i'm not 100 sure on this but i believe that that means that siri has to be on the record like cited in the transcript yes correct yep the core transcript of alex's that's an interesting question representative deposition includes a robot and then everybody jumps into helper oh my god she activates siri and she's scared and starts my god it just it just doesn't oh yeah so we get back to the question and answer portion of this and um there are things that have been turned over in discovery that are mysterious uh the giant background report obviously one very mysterious everybody would like to know where it came from and nobody does uh-huh now in the case of this marcel fontaine case where the whole

thing is essentially that kit daniels uh misidentified the parkland shooter as uh marcel and uh he got the picture off fourchan basically right info wars produced a fourchan post oh god in the course of discovery no and no one seems to understand why what at the bottom right hand corner you see that it's marked defendants 0006 yes which would mean that it was produced by the defendants correct yes okay you would why would the defendants produce this to us i don't know how it came to be in our possession so i don't know there's a false flag you know anything about this the history of this document no this isn't wasn't produced by us in the sense that this is a post that we made so no who made this post that we're looking at it looks like a post

by um somebody posting on a chat room so to speak okay how was it found i don't know when was it found i don't know how it came to be in our possession so i don't know when you got this document did it confuse you a little bit that as to why it was in the possession of defendants no okay do you is this this doc is this uh is defendants 0006 uh is that the post that was used for mr daniels off of fourchan i don't know okay did you take any steps to figure out what this was i didn't talk to mr daniels about this particular document okay i'm gonna represent to you that this is a post from fourchan okay and if it is a post from fourchan and mr daniels pulled the image from fourchan wouldn't that be something you want to talk about with him

he i don't think it's accurate to say he pulled the image only from fourchan i think his response was he saw the image on fourchan as well as other social media sources so i don't know that this was the post that he saw necessarily where did mr where did mr daniels pull the post that he used in his article as his representation in the production was and his similar comment to me was he saw it on social media first i think he said twitter i think that's what it says in the production in the responses and he also saw it on fourchan i don't know whether this was the particular document he saw on fourchan but when i spoke to him he said he had seen it not first on fourchan but on a social media site such as i believe twitter okay so we're not really you know what i got out of

all that is we're not a hundred percent sure why this exists in info where's his files correct that's right and we didn't really take any steps to figure out what it is why when how it came about anything right i didn't ask him about this now you didn't ask anyone no that's weird that is weird yeah i mean considering that you know the whole thing is that this image was going around fourchan it's a troll thing and then they reported on it the fact that in their files somehow they got turned over is this post sure that seems like pretty clear a to b stuff hey listen no he said he saw it on twitter first he saw it on twitter he didn't see it on fourchan first but also he wasn't trolling around fourchan honestly don't understand how that's better i mean like a lot of stuff on

twitter is completely anonymous and you know unverifiable nonsense so like i don't know what they're trying to defend by saying it was on twitter not fourchan yeah there's less child pornography i guess i mean sure but i i don't know if that's relevant to the matter at hand nope i mean it is still just like in terms of pulling information and it's it's it's anonymous in its origins right i don't know it's very weird no functionally there's no difference he just got the image from the internet but i find socially the difference between fourchan and twitter is pretty significant that is true there's a connotation yeah i do think though that there's a um a real shadiness to the idea that this wouldn't be something very important to figure out

why that's there or where this came from well it seems like for for corporate deposition that seems like central almost i don't understand how your first move isn't understand what it is that they're gonna ask me about true even if like whether you're acting from a place of good intention or not or not yeah yeah i mean and it's zero zero six it's not like you're in in evidence 1144 it's number six just go through the top 100 they're probably gonna ask you about the top 100 right i don't know maybe that's maybe that's a faulty uh assumption i know but like but yeah i mean if it but if it's a case that uh surrounds a post on fourchan that you reported on in a post on fourchan is one of the things that was turned over in discovery yeah that is metaphorically

and spiritually in the top 100 yeah for sure yeah yeah yeah yeah so anyway this is this is the clip where everything i think falls apart really falls apart yeah okay this is where the disaster this is where the gummy worms stop and the the real world begins you bet so they're talking about financial stuff and information about alex's net worth of the company right and a document comes up uh-huh a balance uh sheet that's not good and it turns out that the plaintiffs don't have this document oh no and that leads to oh no oh my god this leads to a real problem no what's the base label what's the base number on the unexhibit 14 this doesn't have a base label okay um this was produced to me and it just this was at my request that i asked melinda to produce this to me wouldn't

she give it to you friday okay and did you did you go over it with any one after you got it i went over it with i don't think i spoke to melinda about it i might have spoken a bob about it just to ask him to explain it to me but other than that no real quick bob is not bob barnes no no it's bob roe who's a financial consultant then we'll get it we'll discuss here in a minute gotcha he spoke with bob about it on friday friday okay how long did i talk an hour or so okay that was on the phone or no i saw him in person he was at he was at the office okay so you were at the office during all this yes i was at the office Wednesday Thursday friday and saturday

yeah why did you ask for that document because i believe it was relative and um to the topics that i was to testify about today okay did you were you under were you under the belief that that document had been produced in this litigation i don't know whether this has been produced these are the numbers for 2020 i don't know if it's been produced already miss blot you don't have that i know we don't because the numbers were this is a revised one that she and i was giving friday and i believe the revisions took place can i ask you a question sure why didn't it come with the other 333 i got last night because i was concentrating on those for the fontane and i ran out of time okay why wasn't it

why didn't you hand it to me this morning or during the first break the second break even the third break this is actually and i'm not asking you miss posa that's fine i understand you have college you can give yourself a second i didn't do it all right okay that's my answer okay do you believe that the information in exhibit 14 that i just stickered is information plaintiffs are entitled to yes i do okay so i think bill's understandably pretty pissed here because there is relevant information that was not produced to them yeah um that's against the law well it's certainly against decorum there is an amending of like the balance sheet for 2020 right apparently is done has been done now which is well now is a good time for sure just now is the right time

and so this information is like why didn't you give this yeah that's a really important piece of information why would you why i didn't have time how what the lawyer i didn't have time what i was too busy getting all this other stuff together what are you talking about apparently also don't have answers you didn't give a shit right so they go to break um and they come back and immediately miss blot needs to clarify some amend yeah she's gonna need to amend some yeah i think so uh mr augdon i need to clarify my response to a question you posed with respect to the um financial document that miss pause has um this document was provided on friday this immediately past friday and in my continuous review of the answers or the discover responses by

prior counsel in this case i did not see where any profit and loss or balance sheet had been produced in response to the interrogatory that used the term financial statement and so i reached out and learned that no in fact it had not been produced by prior counsel because they did not consider it a financial statement odd is contrary to my professional opinion because of that i did get the document so that i can supplement that discovery okay i just want to put on the record for myself and on behalf of my clients that that document has been sitting in the corporate representatives bag next to her all day without producing it to us they've just been sitting there this is a good time for pause to have a fourth wall break where she turns to the camera and she's

like oh we're suing our lawyers and then she goes back and we get back into the show and also a snickers commercial yeah absolutely yeah yeah hungry why wait yeah so bill is sick of the bullshit at this point yeah you kind of tell and uh miss blot decides hey i'm gonna fucking throw someone under the bus do it mic down for this because at the end you will hear mark leave and there's something very uh there's there's something kind of sitcom ish there's a quality to it i want to make something clear um when we started this depot then topics were very clear that that net worth was one of those topics and that document this witness testified was she she asked for it to be prepared to discuss that topic and it's been sitting in her bag i wouldn't have a problem if i'd

have gotten it this morning or during any of our breaks but the fact that at the very end after i don't know four or five hours of questioning i asked the witness we get to that topic and then all of a sudden it comes out of the out of the bag and now it's saying that it's been baits labeled and it's on the way and you know i'm you can obviously probably see how it looks from my seat um i'm not accusing you one way or the other but i'm just looking at you know the aggregate of what's happened in this case with all lawyers and every lawyer has come in and told me they're not that person they are transparent they're going to get on it and every single time they're replaced the new one comes in it says the same thing who did you talk to that had a different professional

opinion than you on the production of that document so that i know who to name in my motion okay bradley reese it's not it's not so much sitcom-ish i realize as it is just kind of like that seems like a like out of the play yeah or something it's it's this uh this i mean he might as well have a fucking uh bowler on with a little press thing and he's like i gotta run to the phone real quick extra extra we got news out of the deposition well you've got this lawyer who's like obviously justifiably in like full of indignation yeah you know like in disappointment uh you know

who who is it that withheld this information because of a different idea she sells out brad the former lawyer the dad and then mark immediately like i gotta go call the court yeah of course gets up and leaves of course to go call the court and this is off the rails amazing that is that is so the that is that is the a few good men moment that alex believes will happen and how it would really go who ordered the cold red oh it's bradley bradley fucking did that shit bradley reeves go ahead call the court i'll give you his number i'll give you where he wants to go bradley ordered the cold red so uh the after this uh they get into some discussion of the financial workings of alex's uh empire right let's say right workings is a word

whoa some of this information is nuts yeah so here's the here's the basic situation right so alex has free speech systems okay they have a relationship with another company that through that company they sell products right so this other company pq pr right sells products through free speech systems right um and also they haven't been paying pq r a pq pr for years right and now because of that owe them like 50 something million dollars oh man there's nothing we can do we're broke sorry now it just so happens that we own pq pr well who owns pq pr pq pr is owned 20 by dr and mrs jones and 80 by plj r alc

david jones what was his wife's name 20 by david jones and who and and his wife i i'm sorry her name is escaping me right now and mrs jones carol i think right oh yes that sounds right carol jones okay you could have said any name plj r plj r owns 80 of pq pr okay and who owns plj r r plj r is owned 10 by carol jones so mrs jones alex's mother i'm sorry what and 90 by the ae j trust 2018 ae j alex emmerich jones yeah yeah yeah yeah see alex has a trust set up oh my god that owns most of well it owns everything it owns everything the parents don't yes of the company that owns the company right his company owes 50 million dollars right right so there's nothing we can do this is not there's nothing we can do we just owe them so much money

frankly we're we're shocked we're not already bankrupt honestly it's amazing that we have any money to run things period this is so dumb i mean it would be more fun as a like a shell company game if it weren't so fucking obvious well yeah yeah i mean it's somehow not obvious to people who listen to his show no that's fair uh yeah it's it's pretty pretty shockingly transparent once you are asked under oath who owns these i mean that's that's ridiculous yeah so this is just a fucking circle man because you ask yourself okay what's going on with that trust yeah and here's what's going on with that trust oh boy the who is the trustee for this trust the trustee you know i i'm not sure who the trustee is i know who the beneficiaries are

who are the beneficiaries so the beneficiaries are of the corpus of the trust are his children so they're in the trust are you know whatever money is in there uh and alex is a remainder man and then the income going into the trust uh huh say it is paid to say it alex what an elaborate uh way to set this up in order to try and duck i mean it could not be more of like a shady shit is going on to get a paycheck than that i i've never worked for any business that was like listen we're gonna have to go through three different shell companies to give you a paycheck yeah and let me tell you something direct debit ain't happening you might get paid in kugra absolutely this is stolen money that you are going to in an eight

we are bartering your salary these days yeah Jesus turns out that alex himself because of this Byzantine arrangement actually owns a great deal of pq pr sure the company that sells the product right to free speech systems which he owns right oh my god this is this it's just ridiculous the income the income is paid to mr jones but with the caveat which is what i was trying to say before that there is a um another entity aej holdings that owns alex's interest in in pl in pq pr so total alex's interest is like 72 percent say that again al aej holdings llc what's up mr do you know alex jones's middle name i don't i'm so sorry do you know what it is so that

if you divide it amongst his parents and their percentages he owns 72 percent interest so he sold his interest in that to aej holdings and there's a 25.9 or 29 25.9 million dollar note on that okay where's that come from woody me where does it come from where's 29 million dollar note come from or i guess 29.9 where's the 30 million dollar note come from so i thought i had seen the note it's the it represents the value of mr jones's interest in pq pr such that it such as it were because it's about 72 percent and then the money that is paid principal and interest off of that note is paid to alex jones so like alex has a situation

where like presumably you know he could you look at it and be like wow he's 50 million dollars in debt to this sure sure this company but he's 50 million dollars in debt to himself and his parents right no i think it feels like this is the this is like a dumb person's idea of how smart people hide money do you know what i mean yeah you know it's like because he's it's still like in a movie in his head he's like ah see i actually he's kaiser so saying people before anybody even tries to get to his money because he knew somebody was going to because he called these companies absolutely what is he fucking doing it's yeah amazing um how am i gonna hide this money i know i'll put my initials on it i am not a financial crime expert uh-huh certainly and i don't know if i have enough

information from these depositions to definitively prove anything right but i would say the odds are if anybody were to like audit some of this stuff yeah i think you might i think it wouldn't be too hard to uncover something that's my sense of it it feels like something shady is going on here yeah yep very much so yes i mean how many companies do you need in a circle jerk before you're like i think i might be the one who's doing something wrong here well yeah and it's mysterious how like you know you have a situation where there's this this company that for a long time you've been buying your product through presumably and you've never paid them not once you get sued and you're going to

we're so we're so we're so in debt we can't afford anything back that that that company that weirdly you owed 50 million dollars there wasn't anything securing the loan and they weren't like you know trying to collect on you or anything and you start paying it back when you're getting sued and you're probably going to lose a whole bunch and your company might go bankrupt um and uh then it turns out that you and your parents own that company so weird it's just what is so weird so weird so weird it is it is like i i would expect him and it probably would have wound up being smarter to have buried millions of dollars in his property i think he might have tried with a lot of that gold that's true we do know that he had golden silver buried might have buried she claimed that

his ex-wife got the gold and the silver and the divorce yeah well i mean i honestly she got my doubloons if i'm mark and bill i am saying that we also need to dig up his property for at least 20 feet down it's gonna add a shovel to the sanctuary absolutely i prove that you don't have gold on your property sure i might be wise now so in this next clip bill's gonna mention that guy bob row and uh we haven't heard a number of the clips that he's been involved in because a lot of that involves details and questions that are pretty hard to cut clips for uh and to present so here's the bottom line based on miss pos's testimony there's this guy named bob row who was the person who alex told her to get financial information from uh about the company he was

working with alex and free speech systems in a consultant type role a financial consultant guy but prior to that he had been working for pq pr the company that's basically owned by alex's family which free speech system owes 50 million dollars or whatever right so this guy and alex are the primary sources of information as it relates to finances for pause in this deposition which bill touches on here and i think it's i mean it's weird just for the benefit of the jury you would agree that the spider web of trusts and secured beneficiaries for different subsidiaries or holding companies is just a way for free speech systems to protect its money from people that file lawsuits against them no i don't agree okay why'd they set it up this way i don't know

why it was set up this way definitely don't agree that that's that that it was set up to to protect the assets of mr jones i don't know why it was set up i don't think it was in relationship to this lawsuit as i testified earlier the trust and that that structure of the companies was in motion prior to the lawsuit and you got that from robert roe mr roe mr jones that's correct okay so the individual who worked for one company switched over worked for another and secured debt to one another with the sole proprietor being a 72 percent beneficiary three parent holding companies down you trusted him and you trusted mr jones the sole proprietor of a company that is the subject of a number of defamation lawsuits involving parents who lost children

in a school shooting who he for years then went on to say that it didn't happen or it did but the but there was a government conspiracy and all of this other stuff that those are the two people you trusted correct those are the people with the information so yes you think it's odd that they picked somebody for this topic that has zero financial background i can't answer that i don't know i wouldn't answer that either yeah that would be a wise one not to answer yeah i mean when when you lay all the details out there it does look a little bit suspicious what would surprise her not much it doesn't appear like she's unflappable yeah what a surprise you why did norm just said show up in texas and you're like fuck yeah 30 grand's great

would it surprise you to learn that the person that you are here as a corporate representative for believes that his enemies are demons uh no that sounds about right yeah so um the question comes up and i think this is a pretty relevant question that bills got and that is basically okay so if we look at these balance sheets here how the fuck does the any bills get paid like what's going on here based on this balance sheet how is mr jones covering his bills every month excuse me how is free speech systems covering their bills every month so there are so there's income that the that free speech makes off of the relationship with pqpr via the sales pqpr also pays money to free speech for advertising

on the website that includes the banners and such so that's um and so essentially the way that the business makes money is is those two primary ways okay uh let's look at the balance sheet that was provided it's exhibit 15 i believe okay that one yeah um so the balance sheet is for all of 2020 correct you understand that that's what it says okay and can you tell me where the income is that info wars makes from pqpr for advertising so i don't know if this is not a specific line item i know that there are there are line items yes there's not a real answer nope i think uh she goes on to speculate

that maybe one of the redacted columns like there's one redacted column sure maybe this is that's probably it um that makes sense yeah so uh i guess the organization exists in such a way that alex makes money by taking a cut of the things that are sold through his business by pqpr and then pqpr advertising on his show or on his website buying the banner ads and the the buying so he gets advertising money from himself and his parents yep this is so circular yep it's um well i mean it's only it's just designed specifically to do the one thing that it's doing poorly right now you know yes that's what it's doing and it's doing such a bad job of it that when she went to ask for more information to clarify things it only made it more obvious

how what they were trying to do is yeah yeah i think i think some of this stuff it might be fairly easy to hide a little bit better i would hope so put a trust in like one of your weirdo friends name totally get it give pechenica trust man if this if all rich people hide their money this shittily then it's clearly that they just can afford to own the entire legal system because i i feel like if this is how it works i could spend a weekend and every and bezos would be bankrupt tomorrow well but here's the thing you know like it's fucked up but but quite honestly i think that setting things up like this there's nothing illegal about it right it's just so just recognizing that like oh you have this bizarre maze of entities that you and your parents own

right that are meant to make transactions more complicated than they need to be yes that isn't bad or wrong right you'd still need to prove some kind of malfeasance on top of it sure and i think that that is where the confidence comes from right and i don't know if any specific malfeasance has been demonstrated but i don't know i don't know if it would be too difficult given the you know the the the obvious sort of nature of the interconnectedness of these entities really seems like it's not surprising that she was asked though she had no prior financial experience i'm saying i don't know of any evidence of a crime but if there is a crime i don't think it would be hard to figure out boy so we'll keep our eyes on that i know who's holding the murder weapon and who has motive

and who did the crime so we'll see if we can figure it out sure so at this point another document comes up that hasn't been given to the plaintiffs for years and i just wrote this is a mess schedule c that she reviewed not the complete tax return that's what the document is the schedule see of the alex's taxes okay is not a finalized schedule c and has not been filed with the internal revenue service but the witness relied on it for her testimony right now i don't understand where the miscommunication is on my end i don't know why she's testifying that she really has the same numbers i don't know what any question is now how do you know have you seen it yeah okay why hasn't it been produced why are we not producing it right now this very second yeah i'm do you want to

continue with the deposition wow i what i'm i'm literally giving you you know a lifeline here to try and just fix it if you haven't handed over if not we can cure it now but if that's if your response is file your motion or would you like to continue then i will well here is my explanation it's an explanation it's not an excuse since the day i got on this case i have been working around the clock to get the production verify the documents you have been provided with are full and complete documents as an example i realized when i saw the profit and loss in the balance sheet that it had not been produced because of differences in opinions on the definition

of financial statement right surprising that bradreeb said something that you think is false because i guess the implication is bradreebs is a liar or has a propensity for lying and i certainly didn't find that from oh boy oh boy yeah so mark is called brad and i love that and that is that is the perfect time that is the perfect time he's known he's had that in his back pocket for a while now maybe an hour and he waited for just the right moment for him to just be like oh brad we bradreeb says you're full of shit by the way well but i think it's i think that's probably because it would not have come up

in the course of the deposition itself and right last she broached that subject again exactly what she did and now it's great yeah this is a mess that is this is a total mess that straight up fucking matlock ass down home country lawyer shit this is not an excuse this is an explanation right all right i take responsibility for what i do but this is a real cock up now but it's everybody else's fault yeah so they need to uh shelve discussion financial stuff because they are they're in a situation where this is not going this is not going to be productive no no we're going into a very non productive territory yeah is what i'm feeling so then there's a whole other drama that happens because miss pos brings out her notepad oh no and under texas

rules texas law if you're using a notepad to consult with when you're in a deposition it becomes evidence yes so she brought up a notepad that maybe she didn't want his evidence right and maybe some of it included notes on privileged information oh my god with her lawyer and it turns out in texas that does not you're not your privilege is not protected if it's something that is in a notepad that is used to consult during a deposition and so they have a big argument about this let's back up let's back up does it now surprise you that norm paddus asked you to work in a state that you've never worked in before does that surprise you finally um yeah it's uh it the they do not they do not see eye on the notepad that is for sure i believe that that is for

i bet you're regretting norma so we have two clips left and they i think are just kind of like a good coda a little wrap up yeah the first one is just a demonstration of how um narcissistic alex is sure this was a conversation i had with mr jones about using four chan for material from which to draw and mr jones is he he he is you could see after that i talked a lot about pizza gate um and operatives on four chan and it's mr jones's opinions that four chan is that people purposefully sometimes post information on there for the purpose of misleading um and he used pizza gate as an example but his position was he what didn't realize that at the time but after pizza gate mr jones realized four chan was

was not reliable well not that it wasn't reliable but that i think he thinks that people are people associated with certain entities are posting things on there to try to like a breadcrumb to get him to pick up on bait uh so i think that that was the sum and substance of that part of our conversation what entities the democratic party in the government um any other people that he he thinks are trying to spread misinformation okay yeah so alex believes that the globalists are trying to trick him with posts on four chan in order to get him to cover stuff yep yep she just said that oh my god she said that out loud in a deposition for the world to hear i mean it's amazing it's an interesting thing to imagine

that he thinks um excuse me because it's it's outrageously detached from reality it is the uh uh stated position uh of free speech systems that everyone is out to get us no all the time including the government you're not being fair everyone everyone you're not being fair yeah it's info wars as a company's stated position that alex jones believes that's fair that the globalists are trying to plant stories on anonymous message boards in order to trick him you're right apologies i'm the weird one right so we've been we've been through a lot here we've heard uh a fair amount of bad stuff it's been a journey yeah it's been a journey so here here is a self review uh from miss pos oh about about her performance in these two days of deposition she is giving us a review

of her performance she we're getting a kit daniel's pos moment okay here we go with with how this depot is gone how do you think you did i think i did pretty good she did pretty good wow some people who didn't agree wow yeah so they filed a motion obviously yeah obviously after and on april first uh the order came down from the court and in addition to the other past um uh corporate representative uh testimonies that were just a disaster here is what the court said about this one in particular okay quote on february 14th and 15th 2022 defendants presented britney pos as the designee in both the sandy hook and fontaine cases a review of the deposition transcript shows that defendants flagrantly disobeyed the court's order in preparing miss pos as a result she

was unable to give adequate testimony on any of the topics plaintiffs have now faced five non-appearances at corporate depositions on the issues at the heart of their claims despite every remedial action taken by the uh the court including the severe sanction of default and over 200 000 in cumulative attorneys fees yeah so that was the discreet that i don't think they thought she did pretty good yeah yeah no i mean i think uh you know one for five is the mendoza line so oh for five i'm telling you you're still getting pushed back down yeah that's in baseball too yeah that's in baseball that's not good one for five in corporate depositions not the mendoza line no no no no no so uh as a result of this obviously some things happened and so i'm gonna read to you here just

from the court uh filing of the findings uh in in response to this right in addition to uh you know obviously in the context of all the other corporate representative testimonies she got a two oh no how'd you get to two so court uh quote the court finds that defendants have intentionally thwarted the legitimate discovery process in these cases the egregiousness and repetitiveness of defendants obstruction exhibits a disregard for and disrespect of the integrity of this court and our judicial system plaintiff's discovery effects uh necessary to properly present their claims for damages has been irreparably prejudiced in virtually all respects absent severe action from this court defendants will ultimately profit from their sabotage of the discovery process

the court therefore orders that one pursuant to rule 215 b1 the court disallows any further discovery by defendants any obligation of the plaintiffs to respond to any pending discovery is terminated so they don't have to respond to any requests love it documents or any uh depositions any yeah yeah yeah we all thought summary judgment was adequate whoa we've never seen this but now we're literally in a place where it's like shut up shut up to pursuant to rule 215 b2 the court orders that defendants shall pay all of the expenses of discovery and taxable court costs in these lawsuits plaintiffs shall submit evidence setting forth any court costs expenses or attorney's fees relating to discovery or discovery motions accepting those amounts which are already awarded in any

prior order of the court defendants may object to the amount within seven days after plaintiff's filing right so that was a lot of money yeah that's a lot of money three pursuant to rule 215 b3 the court orders that designated facts shall be taken to be established for the purposes of the action specifically the jury will be instructed that any factual dispute relating to the following topics shall be taken as established in favor of the plaintiffs sourcing and research for the videos described in plaintiff's petitions individuals involved in the production of the videos described in plaintiff's petitions internal editorial discussions regarding info wars coverage of the sandy hook elementary school shooting the company's knowledge of the plaintiffs the audience reach of

the videos described in plaintiff's petitions the documents produced by the company in response to plaintiff's discovery requests efforts made by the company to preserve potential evidence and the company's business structure in relationship with other parties right that's everything pretty much everything that the corporate representative testimony was right designed to get like the deposition was meant to right give them an opportunity to testify on behalf of the company to explain these things provide evidence um yeah because of their complete failure i mean we mentioned some of this a little bit before in past episode some of these sanctions that they've been hit with but like because of their because of this what we just went over they are now not able to make any

claims that contradict the plaintiffs i mean about all of these issues it really does it's it's i i mean the summary judgment is fucked you know like that's crazy i can't believe that would ever happen but this is essentially saying the plaintiffs are right in everything that they say and the defense has abrogated their ability to defend themselves yeah i mean and so just believe what the plaintiffs tell you well it's it's that you had every opportunity to raise objection to stuff and provide evidence you are not going to be able to grandstand on this bullshit in court when you've refused to cooperate with the process yeah if you if your intention is to like say oh yes sources for these videos let's say just for example totally you you completely

stonewall and play these games throughout the entire discovery process and then you end up uh in in court for the damages lawsuit and you're like oh i've got this source well the source is actually actually it's not from their objection your honor right i mean like you you don't want uh like alex being able to do whatever sort of game he might be wanting to play i mean i think i think it's obviously i agree with you i think it's an extreme yeah kind of thing but like i don't know i mean it's necessary what you do it's necessary a couple years ago probably you know because we never would have because you just don't think that somebody would take it this far so you didn't do it a couple of years ago and then you didn't do it last year because you're like there's

no way they can take it this far and now here we are damn fuck you i mean this is a this is a court yeah saying fuck you somewhat i think there is some value in giving people um the opportunities to really make the case against themselves sure um and i think that that has been done quite well uh in in the course of this i mean like in terms of you know these things that they're not allowed to let's say uh dispute yeah in court yeah the it would be like you'd say hey i don't know if that's right yeah if this hadn't all happened yeah you know and the people who disagree with that like people who you know follow alex and think he got screwed by the court yeah they're not going to believe anything anyway nope there i think it's due diligence to like walk through the process of

not cooperating sure and all this to get to the point where the punishment fits the behavior right right right i'm just and i i'm i'm headed back to the news radio references a lot lately but this is just like that judge saying you have exhaustively proven that this is a box full of junk congratulations and it's like i feel like that's where we are if just like yes you have exhaustively proven that you have no idea what we're doing here congratulations and then they're gonna say tubal cane and it's all over look forward to alex uh calling uh goober as a witness he might is this your skull is this your skull nope so we come to the end of this and i think this was a uh right yeah yeah i i think um for the sake of the chaos and stuff that second deposition oh

beautiful there may be some stuff people would enjoy watching in that yeah and in our links to stuff i'll link to the uh the youtube page of the that has all the depositions on it and stuff i believe that that should be public uh by the time this comes out yeah the first one is there the first uh the sandy hooked deposition for miss pause right is there and i believe the night the other one will be by the time this comes out um but yeah uh i hope you all enjoyed we promised a longer episode you got it sure did uh we'll be back jordan indeed we will yeah no kidding but until then we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge fight comm yep uh we'll be back oh we are all twitter we are i said i'm exhausted you're exhausted you've done

three times as much work as i have and that's zero uh hold on what wait am i no it's at knowledge underscore fight that go to bed jordan yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark and now here comes the sex robots andy and chanzos you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you