Knowledge Fight - #692: Alex Jones' Punch Out

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in and see how things went when Alex sat down for a very drug-filled head-to-head with Mike Tyson, who Alex declares the biggest philosopher in 2022.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. That's Alex Jones a few years ago. Alex Jones. Is that how it would sound? No, I don't know. I'm pretty sure you would dance it. So what's up?

Uh, what, uh, how did we, Dan? Jordan. Jordan. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today, Jordan, is exactly what we've been talking about. Absolutely. Mine too. We're the same bright spots. It's brutal. This is the least, the most anti-climactic bright spot ever. So like a week and a half ago or so, I decided to give Fire Emblem Three Houses a try. I'd never played a tactical type game like that. The style of the game is different than any of the things I've messed around with in the past. And it, I took like it to like a moth to the flame. It's very fun. It's super engaging the way that the game is structured and then the characters and the story

is a lot of fun as well. And I, man, it's great. There's a Dynasty Warriors version of it coming out later this month. I'm so excited about that. And then you, uh, saw me playing it when you came over to record 10 minutes. I saw you playing it for 10 minutes and I was like, well, I'm going to need to have this game forever because it, it scratched that itch. Oh man. Final Fantasy Tactics was I, and I was, I was telling you that it's been going on for 20 years and that's not a joke. A few months ago, whenever I talked about it on the show, I was like, shit, I haven't played that for a while. When you talked about it on the show, I didn't even, I didn't put two and two together, but my response to that was I've never played a game like that. I don't know what to, I don't

even know how to imagine what playing it is like. And now you do. I do. Now you do. It's a lot of fun. And now you're going to see yourself here in 25 years being like, I think I'll boot that up one more time. You would fire emblem is like 100% legal CD image that I found is going to be very useful to play this game right now. Yeah, but you were, you were, you were jonesing for some Final Fantasy Tactics. Man, this is so much that it's so good. It's so good. It's, it's a quite a well done game in my experience so far. And I swear to God, I am going to get the right tea party. I'm going to get a perfect score on one of those tea parties. For those who have not played the game, I can't do it. One of the things that you have to do or can do, can do is invite

people to tea parties. Yes. And you have three speech bubbles and you have to choose topics for conversation that you think they might enjoy their personality. You're trying to please a fake person. It's hard. It's not easy. It's easier to please a real person than it is. Please people. Probably. But yeah, it's a lot of fun. I'm glad we have a joint bright spot. I think it's maybe one of the first times. It's been a long time. I think we've had same bright spots, but at different times, you know, like when I said Taskmaster was right later on, you know, that kind of thing, but this is a simultaneous unequivocal bright spot. We're in deep. Yep. Oh yeah. Jordan, today we have an episode to do. It's a Wednesday, so we're off the beaten path a little bit. Oh yeah.

And part of that is I feel like the Uvaldi shooting coverage kind of came full circle. And we got to where we inevitably knew we were going. Yep. And the January 6th commission coverage has hit a dead end in as much as Alex is still out of studio. Not interested in being there for it. He's had Owen fill in. I think Harrison filled in the other day. And Harrison was like, uh, the capital has not yet fallen. Unfortunately. I don't know anybody who would dare suggest that we celebrated the events of January 6th. Yeah. Good guy to run cover for you. Yeah. Yeah. And so we are left a bit in a lurch of what to go over. I dipped into the past a little bit and I need a little more time to get the next past episode together. So that that'll

be forthcoming. Jim Baker sucks. Yeah. Nothing really new in Project Camelot World. And we just went back there not too long ago. True. So I had to find something to do. And thankfully, something popped up and we'll get into it here in a moment. But first, let's say hello to some new walks. Nice tease. So, uh, Jordan, actually, this is interesting. Today we have four technocrats. Jesus Christ. Yeah. So we, uh, I, it's going to play all four of them. I'm going to say hello to them all and I'm going to play that drop. Um, but yeah, it's just, it's coincidence to just go through in the order that things come in and, uh, hey, here we are. So, uh, first, uh, AEJ Holdings, dreamy, creamy debt collector. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. Yep. I'm getting married to a Yeti by driving my van into his heart. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. Stephen universe. And Alex Jones. Alex Jones is archivist P Andrew not Torres. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. I'm just going to take a little break. You know, a little break for me. And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over, but I'm the devil. I gotta be taken out of here. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe

today should be my last broadcast. I mean, maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. He's not. He's never better. Nope. Even when he's gone, he's not better. Yeah, that's true. But thank you all. So Jordan, I don't, I don't, I don't know how to tell you this, but this is going to be a little bit of a off the beaten path episode that might not be like the best thing ever. Okay. It might not be, it's not as fun as, you know, space and sure COVID vampires

but here's an out of context drop from what we're going to get into. Okay. Describe for me just in visual however you can. What the toad did to you? What did the toad do to you? Oh my God. Is this reset wars? No. What? Oh no. Explain to me in detail what the toad did to you. What did the toad do? Did he, what is the wet sprocket? What did the toad do? Do you have any conception of what this could possibly be about? What could a toad do that? I mean, okay. The first X-Men movie, there was a mutant called toad shot his tongue out. No, no, no, no, no. He's interviewing Ray Park that I thought that might have been the case. No. Oh shit. Okay. Um, well, I mean, there's,

there's the toad. Mr. Toad's wild ride. Is that what he's talking about? The Mr. Toad drove me drunk into a tree. Is that what's going on here? No, there's not a wind in the willows recap. All right. All right. Um, uh, boy, I'm all out. I'm all out. I've got nothing but what the sprocket at this point. This is about being a high on toad venom. Okay. All right. Now we're having a good time. So today we're going to be looking at Alex talking to Mike Tyson. You know, you know, after the last three episodes ended with such a narrative closure, yep, almost, you know, like it's almost like a novel, you know, you see the struggle, you see the hero's journey, he decides to take the call. Yes, exactly. It's, it's such a hero's journey

kind of way. Well, a villain's journey. Well, yeah, absolutely. And then, and then to have it just kind of end, you know, you're in that same lurch when you finish a good book, you know, and you're just kind of like, I don't know what to do. Pick up like a magazine. So you pick up a magazine and you talk to Mike Tyson. Yep. So it's really weird, Jordan. Alex was a guest on Mike Tyson's podcast, which is called Hot Boxing. No. This was a few months back. I believe back in April was when he, it was when he went on one of his many vacations and yet mysteriously the episode has not appeared to have been released. Interesting. You could go to the podcast website. There's a long list of episodes with guests like Alex's mortal enemy, Pierce Morgan, ear bite victim,

Evander Holyfield. Of course. Well, they got to bury the hatchet. Absolutely. And the baddest bitch, Trina. Okay. Yeah. Slip and slide gold, take it to the house. That's true. Trick Daddy. I watched a little bit of her interview and it comes out that Trick Daddy gave her the nickname, the baddest bitch. Good for her. He also, the last, last time I saw Trick Daddy was the people pointed out that the guy who was making the documentary about the proud boys. He is a very famous rap video director. Also, no shit. Yeah. And so in the take it to the house video, he makes a cameo because Trick Daddy is talking about how he wants one of his videos. That's crazy. Yeah. That's amazing. So Trick Daddy, he's in the zeitgeist. There's not enough people.

That's the problem. Every time I think there's plenty of people in the world, I find out that there's just popping up everywhere. Trick blood kids. Loves kids. He's all about the community. I've heard that. Anyway, there's even some like more controversial guests that Tyson has had on, like anti vex guru Robert Kennedy Jr. He was on fairly recently and the self appointed ambassador to North Korea, Dennis Rodman. Oh, well, I mean, you know, somebody's got to go. The worm. So on June 1st, Paul Joseph Watson wrote an article for his blog about how the powers that be in big tech had put pressure on Mike Tyson and got him to not release the episode. And this sounds about right. As we all know, Mike Tyson is notoriously a pushover and someone who caves to even the slightest

amount of pressure. Totally. No one would ever describe him as a fighter. I mean, you know, we're in the middle of his very last, you know, comeback story, you know, Tyson's got one more fight in him. He's one day away from retirement. His best friend comes out to like, you know, manage him in the corner. I mean, this movie ends with him dying, obviously, but that's in podcast form. Well, we're going to actually talk a whole lot about him dying. Okay. Well, see, it's a good movie. He is not. He doesn't have any feelings on it on the question. It's very bizarre. Okay. So I've seen a lot of these podcasts where bigger celebrities have Alex on like Rogan or Logan Paul and they're complete shit shows. Alex invariably gets completely wasted, pretends he

has some really deep insights to offer, never says anything of substance, and then sometimes takes his shirt off. It's been reported by Alex that he and Tyson took mushrooms and smoked weed before and during the podcast. So I've concocted a little theory of my own about why this episode hasn't come out. I really think it's probably really bad, not like dangerous and offensive bad, but like embarrassing and low quality type of bad. Leaving all the other qualities of the man aside, Mike Tyson can handle his drugs. He's pretty much high as hell all the time now. And I would not be surprised if the way Alex acted between his being fucked up to his very transparent and over the top star fuckery made it feel like maybe they didn't want to put this episode out to

the public. Yeah, probably that might be a guess. Oh man. I don't know. I would do mushrooms with Mike Tyson and put it out no matter what anybody said. I would not do either of those things. I wouldn't do mushrooms with Mike Tyson and I wouldn't put it out. Yeah, you're right. I wouldn't do either of those things either. I'm not going to pretend that I've watched a full episode of Tyson's podcast, but I scanned through a few of them and they're really different than the short clips that Alex has released of his time with Mike. Yeah. One thing is that the guests are generally big stars themselves. And while they express admiration for Tyson and his career, they aren't tripping all over themselves around him the way Alex kind of does. Yeah. Alex is so over the top and it

comes off as him being very insecure and out of place. I think if you even just watch the short clips of it that come out, they're so different than like Mike Tyson talking to Pierce Morgan. Right. Right. Right. Because Pierce Morgan is ostensibly considering himself to be Mike Tyson's equal in this conversation. And they're having a respectful conversation about their careers. Sure. And like Mike Tyson's asking him questions about journalism and stuff. And like, yeah, it's an opportunity for like an actual conversation to happen, albeit between Pierce Morgan and Mike Tyson. A bizarre collection. I mean, just fine. Yeah. Yeah. The other thing is that a number of these guests don't try to do drug for drug with Mike. For

instance, Pierce Morgan wasn't taking shrooms when he went on. From everything we've heard about Alex's interview, he tried to keep up to like show he was cool, which is really stupid. Wow. That's what high school kids do when they're hanging out with their older siblings friends. And it tends to go wrong. I mean, that's the he's a freshman in college. What are you doing? What are you doing? You're going to get yourself killed. Yeah. Mike Tyson is like does the toad. He has to. He's got so much head trauma. There's so much shit going on. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know exactly why Tyson hasn't put out this episode of the podcast, but I'm sure he and his producers have their reasons. Maybe it'll come out sometime down the line and like this whole

pretending Alex is being censored thing is just a really useful marketing strategy. I accept that that's entirely possible. Like one way to build up anticipation for the release of something is to tell people they can't see that thing right to exploit our desire to have things we're denied access to. Zach, release the Snyder cut of this podcast. Yeah. I think that's a possibility. I think it's more likely that Alex is just fucked up and it's embarrassing. Whatever the case, earlier this month, Alex released a half hour video on band dot video, which is titled exclusive all caps. Oh, watch the censored Mike Tyson, Alex Jones podcast in full. Based on that title, you would expect that this means that Alex recorded the interview himself and he was releasing his side

of it. But that's not what this video is because almost everything it in four is involves click bait. Right. This video is an interview that Alex shot with Tyson after they did Tyson's podcast. It also includes some snippets of behind the scenes stuff from Tyson's podcast, which actually kind of implies that Alex does have more video than just this, this little snippet. Yeah. I based some of my hunches about Alex's behavior being embarrassing in a mess based on these based on these clips of him being very shortly and embarrassing mess. Yeah. Anyway, today I want to take a little breaky from the horrors of the present day and because Alex seems to not want to come back to work. We're going to check in and see how this interview with Iron Mike Tyson.

Let's do it. Get dynamite. Wait. So this is done. It's done not right after. It's not like they just finished the shrooms and then like five minutes later, they're like, okay, now we'll do your interview. I think it's pretty briefly afterwards. No shit. Yeah. Okay. And it actually kind of makes me think that if they did shrooms, it wasn't much. Yeah. Like I know that shrooms aren't going to make you freak out necessarily. Sure. But I don't really see that much like fucked up in this going on from Alex. Gotcha. Like I think he's holding it together fairly well. Okay. So maybe he's on the come down. Yeah, he could be. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's really fucked up on the clips that they have of Mike's show. Okay. Which leads me to believe, yeah, maybe there was

a longer gap between them. Yeah. Or Alex is faking all that shit. Right. When he's acting all fucked up because he thinks it makes it more interesting. Right. One of the two. It could be he was smoking oregano kind of situation. Or it could be he went and had a shower. A long fucking shower. Yeah. Yeah. And took some of this pick me up. Yes. Yeah. Whatever. Took a took a couple of those fun fun snorts. I know that sometimes cocaine can level you out. One way or the other. So here's where we begin. And actually where we begin is Alex doing a little bit of an introduction to the video. He's sitting there looking at the camera at Info Ward Studios. Okay. And here's what he's got to say. A month and a half ago,

I got a very exciting phone call. It was from Mike Tyson. I mean, I grew up watching those incredible matches. And then I saw his evolution into somebody who really is very intelligent and thought provoking. I've learned a lot from Mike Tyson. I'm a big fan. So I traveled out to California, did his podcast, also got a short interview myself. It was incredible. He said, man, this is one of the best interviews ever. I got told not to have you on, but I've overridden it and it's going to air a little month and a half past. I talked to Mike last week on FaceTime. He said, Hey, we're pushing forward. It's going to air. And then a day later, I got a call from his assistant Troy, who's a great guy as well. And he said, Listen, we pushed hard,

we fought hard, but we don't own the show. We have a contract and they're not going to air it. I then reached out to some other contacts and they confirmed that YouTube put pressure on them, not to air later. Absolutely incredible. So this is next level censorship in America. There's a conspiracy. Sure. As always. Sure. Some, some big YouTube exec was like, what's that on Mike Tyson's podcast? Not a chance. Not on YouTube. We'll allow Robert, uh, Kennedy Jr. to come on and spread anti vex bullshit. But Alex Jones is no, no, no. But I mean, if, if any of that is to be believed, it's just indicative of how toxic Alex's brand is that he is less amenable to advertisers than the king of anti vaccination.

Yeah. I mean, it's just more people, more lay people know who Alex Jones is, where the king is not a candidate. Yeah, exactly. Alex is not a candidate. He's not a Kennedy. So I don't know. One of the things that I think I would really like to press Alex on is specifically what has Mike Tyson taught you? I would like to know that. Give me specifics about the lots of things I really want to know. Yeah. Maybe some things about perseverance. I was willing to let that one slide. It hit my ears uncomfortably, but then I was like, you know what? You probably could learn some things from Mike Tyson. I feel like maybe I'm being a little bit discounting there, but maybe, but I'm curious what they are. That is a good

question. I'm sure Mike Tyson has a lot of life lessons. Right. But yeah, I think Alex is for the shit. Don't actually, I bet Mike Tyson was like, listen, check your bag. Don't take a carry on. They think you think it's going to be smart. Just check your bag. So here is the Alex setting this up. And I hope that his team can really stand up against what's happening because this is really, really dangerous for all Americans. Basic free speech. Look, it's one thing of Alex Jones is banned off YouTube, but it's another thing to say that Mike Tyson can't interview me. The interview was powerful. It was loving. It was really incredible. And we also took mushrooms live on air. So it's wild. Here is my interview with Tyson with excerpts of the censored interview. You'll only

find it right here at band.video. So here it is. I hope you enjoy. I think, I think actually from the context that we'll get of a clip from Tyson's interview, I think that maybe they took like a small amount of mushrooms before the show. Okay. And then Mike Tyson has a brand of edibles that he refers to as like shroomies. Okay. But they're weed gummies. Yeah. And I think that Alex might have thought that that was a cruise that he took on air when it was actually just a, a edible. I really don't think you're allowed to take shrooms on air. I don't know what the laws are now. I've lost track, man. That's a good point. That is a good point. So I don't have a whole lot to go off of, but I would guess from all the available context that this was not a powerful interview.

As we'll see in the interview that Alex released between him and Mike, the two of them have approximately zero chemistry and most of the topics they cover are ridiculous. Also, I don't think it's actually censorship at all. If what Alex is saying is accurate, then what happened is that a company decided that releasing this episode would have a negative impact on advertising, so they didn't put it out. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing, but it's not what Alex wants to make it out to be. Mike and his team decided that the easiest way to make this thing work was to sell Mike's celebrity to a bigger company who would then own the podcast and Mike and his team would be paid by that company. The money that comes in is from advertising,

which is handled entirely by the company that owns the podcast. And if they understand that having a friendly interview with Alex, where the host does hallucinogens with him while the Sandy Hook trial was set to be taking place because they recorded this in April, you might end up getting some pushback from your advertisers. Well, that's a maybe. And these companies that own podcasts don't just sell ads podcast by podcast. They have a ton of shows that sponsors buy bulk ad time on. Yeah. This is one of the reasons that Spotify was so keen to get Rogan on an exclusive deal and pay him so much. Having him there exclusively on their platform was theoretically going to provide a great boost to what they could charge for ads. If Tyson has Alex on and they do drugs

and pal around talking shit, while simultaneously the grieving parents of murdered children are facing Alex in court, you can easily see how some companies would not want their ads to be on that show. Mike's podcast is owned by a company called Malka Media. And without being rude to the other shows on that network, I don't think that advertisers are banging down the door specifically to buy their ad time. It's very reasonable to assume that Tyson is a large part of their ability to sell ad packages for this podcast network. So if someone pulled out of his show, they probably wouldn't stick around for the other shows on the network. People decide what their priorities are in life and their careers and then their choices reflect that. In this case, Tyson's team sacrificed

creative control and ownership of their own podcast in order to have someone else figure out how to make money off their show. You can call that censorship if you want, but it's really just the downside of the arrangement Tyson has chosen because it's preferable for him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, remember when podcasts were a new exciting medium and then they were like, what if we turned it into the old one? Right. But worse. Right. It's one of the reasons why we have been insistent very much to never even like open emails from people offering us ads. Yeah. It's like, no, that's not something we're interested at all because that does open the door for like, if you're on a network, all networks are run differently. So some obviously

have more of this and some have less of this, but you open up the possibility that they can say like, we own your content because they generally do. That's part of why they buy you. Yeah. Yeah. And they, you know, you make a bit of money on these ads, but also ultimately at the end of the day, if they say no, then you can't just put something out yourself. They own your show. It's going to be funny whenever like everything collapses and all these big podcast networks can't afford all their fun studios and all that stuff. And we're going to be like looking at people from the same exact place. I mean, like, yeah, worked out for us. Well, yeah. And we'll never reach the heights of some of these. Sure. Sure. But we'll also, you know, I mean, if the

bottom falls out of podcasting and everyone has to record in their home, that's what we've been doing all along. Exactly. So we are prepared. Yeah. You'll pretty much never, this is a prediction I have, you'll pretty much never see Alex popping up on a show that has to worry about advertisers, except for shows that rely on according negative attention in order to stay relevant. Yeah. Those types of shows will have Alex on because their advertising model is different. They have outrage bait that gets them attention and feeds some sort of a cycle where people talking negatively and then people fight and that gives them more attention in higher ratings. Alex is perfect as a guest for something like that. Yeah. But other places that have different advertising

models that rely on people not being like pissed off at them, right? Generally, you'll never, ever see him there. Yeah. It's hard to, it's hard to justify that, you know, because if you're one of the, if you're one of the, like the red scare or whatever, one of the, those podcasts, you know, it's like, fuck it. The people who advertise with us are already playing with fire. Like, they're already choosing to be on the edge of decorum. So just a tiny step over that is not that big a deal. I don't know if folks like Sam Tripoli, you know, like the tinfoil hat that Alex has been on. I don't know if he has ads. I would assume he does probably, but yeah, it's the same, same sort of thing. It's like for a penny and for a pound. Yeah. You're already on that edge. So

fuck it, you know, but if you're, if you're a show that's like, yeah, Target doesn't want Alex on their fucking work, you know, like, yeah, okay, I get it. Yeah. Me on these has a problem with Alex. Yeah. So anyway, the interview starts here and you'll notice a sound effect. Okay. This was not added in post. We're rolling. What's he doing? Well, here we are. This is a family show. Ladies and gentlemen, Mike Tyson, the Maverick, the legend, the American success story. Thank you very much, sir. It was great to see you on your show. I think we all want to believe that we're good judges of character, but that can't be true for

everyone. No, I don't know Mike personally. So it's hard to say, but he did work with Don King, and he thinks that Alex is cool. So my money is on his radar not being great. Well, I'm pretty sure Dennis Rodman said that he was a good judge, a good judge of character there too. So I imagine that North Korea is pretty stoked about that. Yeah. Also to Mike's question of whether or not Alex is hiding something. Yes, he's hiding a lot. Absolutely. If you want a better sense of what sort of trash he puts out, you should try to watch his show a little bit for having him on the show so he can lie to you and give you the impression that he's a good guy. I mean, that's the game. It is. It is funny. Is he hiding something? No, he's broadcasting it in public for everyone to

see. He's hiding something from you in person. Exactly. Because like that's the image of the person that he wants to be. And he knows that most of these folks like Mike Tyson doesn't have fucking time to listen to Info Wars and be like, Oh, I bet this guy's a good guy. No, absolutely not. He's just not going to go to Info Wars. No. And most people would get so goddamn bored listening to his show, especially if you have things to do. If I had anything else to do, I would never be able to make it through an episode of his show. Right. Also, you notice that Mike lights up a joint immediately. Immediately. And you get the sense that Alex is really wanting him to pass it. Yeah. And it's not happening. Oh, Mike. Yeah.

I'll tell you what lesson I didn't learn from Mike Tyson. All right. Bogart and a joint. It's Puff Puff Pass, baby. Absolutely. So this clip is just a little ironic. I thought I was coming to talk to a tip down from the KKK. By the way, I told him that I had some of my fat ham. You know what? There's no love in the house. I'm the opposite of KKK. So here we are, Mike. I tell you, you are just seem like you're in your prime right now. What is fucking happening? I think Mike seems like he's in good shape, but also like it's just funny for him to have a coughing fit from the joint.

It looks like you're in the best shape of your life, buddy. Listen, there's just a juxtaposition there. When you were knocking fools out and under a minute, that was great. But listen to you now. Look at those. Look at the lungs on you. You pulled on that joint for an hour, man. That's amazing. Yeah. So, I mean, the joint obviously, and that, you know, whatever possible mushrooms they've taken, it leads to some pretty heady conversation. It's pretty deep stuff. Everybody I know talks about Mike Tyson, his energy. He's so positive. He's so happy. But then you say amazing things. I mean, it's true. I mean,

in our Hour Plus podcast, you did with where I was on with you. It was amazing. Thank you very much. I'm going to ask some of those same questions here. Before I ever got to it, are there aliens you were already bringing up? We are the aliens. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I think I just think I'll teach you the time and the more we dig, the deeper we become and the more we find, you know, the more we dig, the more we dig, the more we find out about ourselves. We find out maybe, maybe life started in Turkey. 9,000 years ago, other than Africa, we found the city. I'm sorry, what? What just happened? So, how does that debate with Africa be in the civilization?

I agree. I mean, if we look how much the media lost to us, imagine how much history lost. Yeah, history is our lives that we agreed to be true. Yeah. Wow. Oh my God. So, one thing I want to point out is like when he's saying the deeper we dig, the more we learn about ourselves, I think he's talking literally about archaeology. I'm fairly certain, yes. He's saying that we found, yeah, he said, oh, we found a city in Turkey. He's literally saying that if you dig deep into the earth, you're going to find old shit. I think it's not metaphorical. It is not metaphorical. But also life definitely predates 7,000 BCE. But even so, when? Mike has some information wrong here. So, this is about a city that was

discovered underground beneath Darin Kuyu in Turkey, which was actually, it was rediscovered in the 1960s. Sure. It's part of a complex of underground tunnels under the Cappadocia region of present day Turkey, which are theorized to be part of like a refuge plan where people could hide out from invading armies. Gotcha. These tunnels and cities are not 9,000 years old. They're actually closer to 2,000 years old. In 2020, another complex was found under the city of Midyat. And it's believed that this was a place where persecuted Christians were able to hide in the second and third centuries CE. Sure. This is about as good as this interview is going to get. Just complete nonsense being thrown around the dips into the supernatural and paranormal.

And because Alex is so desperate for celebrities to like him, he just agrees to anything Tyson says. I agree. Yeah. Wow. The media lies to us. So, how much does history lie? I don't know if there's ever been a series of words that has made me just go like, oh, goodbye. But I mean, like, it's actually an interesting thought in as much as like history absolutely does lie. Sure. And every historian knows that the study of history does include the understanding of biases in at least as it relates to like sources that you can have. And that's one of that's one of the reasons why it's a fairly complicated field of study. And you want to have context, right? You want to have multiple angles on events and things like that. And so, yeah, I mean, in as much a,

it's a, it's the way Alex is discussing it is trite, but it's actually, you know, there's some truth. No, and Alex doesn't want to get into the, he just wants to say that the things that you're taught aren't true, right? In order to denigrate and degrade the idea of an objective reality. There you go. I'm sorry. That's why I don't want to listen. Yeah. It's, it's, he himself has an agenda of decision. Yeah. I mean, there's no way that you can credibly read anything about history and be like, yep, I bet that guy nailed it 100%. No, it's just not true. But I think every, everybody who's serious about studying history would give you a qualified version of history is full of lies or whatever. People don't even agree on

what's happening in the present, let alone stuff that happened several thousand years ago. Almost feels like several thousand years ago might be easier, right? At least it can't happen anymore. Right. It's already done. Yes, exactly. So we get to some philosophical talk here. This is heavy. So in, in, in, in your years on earth, what do you think the ultimate secret is? I mean, I guess you kind of said at the start of our talk, I wrote a few notes while you were speaking earlier, but that being born is dying, but being, but dying is being born. Giving someone life. Because once you die, once you're born, the process begins. We can't stop from dying and it's so beautiful because as, as time goes on and the process

of dying goes on, there's so many beautiful moments and then dying becomes, you know, it's not even that important anymore. Like you're sitting with Mike Tyson and sharing his tobacco with him. Thank you sir. That is a magic moment. Great tobacco, magic tobacco. That was Alex's way of trying to finally, finally give me, let me take a hit. God damn it. I can't just watch you smoke it in front of me. And honestly, I can't have this conversation unless I'm getting higher. Absolutely not. Seriously. This is ridiculous. This is awful. I don't understand. This is, this is an annoying conversation at a house party. And yet it's happening between Alex Jones and Mike fucking Tyson. Why am I, why would I leave parties?

I went to college. Yeah, that's true. I went to college many times and actually I've been sort of in Alex's position here, which is somebody is saying this kind of stuff. It's like, all right, whatever, but they have the weed. So it's like, well, all right. Yeah, whatever. I agree with you put up with bizarre esoteric triteness. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. Like when, uh, like when your weed dealer would, would come over and then just sit and then be like, are you going to pass it? And you're like, no, I just bought this from you. Yeah, but come on, man. Yeah. What do you mean? So Alex and, and Mike kind of don't see eye to eye on where this,

this should go. I think Mike wants to ground this conversation and some kind of like reality. Okay. Whereas, uh, at least in the personal. Sure. Alex wants to think globally. Okay. Thanks, sir. So tell me, you married? I am. Tell me, what's your family? What did they worry? You worry about your kids? That's all of it. Yeah. If I have worries about them, yeah. What's your view on what's currently happening with the Russia situation? What? These dudes have no chemistry. I, I just can't imagine like fucking Edward R. Murrow getting fucking blasted high with some, with Edward fucking Ginsburg right before they did an interview. And then

he's like, all right, what's your feelings on, uh, uh, Vietnam? Also noted geopolitical scholar, Mike Tyson, the person you want to ask about, what do you think about what's going on with Russia? That's a terrible comparison because Ginsburg might have an interesting thought. I wasn't comparing him to Ginsburg as much as just who it would be a super productive to ask that question to. Probably not Mike Tyson, guy who was known, uh, for fighting, uh, they went to prison for rape. And then now is kind of a drug weirdo. He had a TV series, Cartoon Network. And also was in the hangover. That's true. Yeah. So he's had a big career.

Yep. So that qualifies him to talk about Russia. It's the, I wonder what stoned out of his mind. Mike Tyson thinks about Russia, but don't you think that the, like if these guys had any kind of chemistry, the conversation that Mike brings up is actually an interesting one. What are your feelings about like the world that we live in, uh, and your family, you know, there's, there's something there and Alex could follow up on that. And then I bet Mike would offer something else. Like if his feelings on the matter about his family, that's kind of a human conversation. Instead there's a lull and then Alex asked him about Russia. Less of a give and take and more of just a fucking take. I will give you this answer.

Yeah. And then now I want to know what you think about Putin. Excuse me. Why wouldn't you just say, ah, it's impersonable. Yeah. Um, so yeah, like, like he's thinking like, Oh, we got to get to business. Yes. Well, it might be a matter of like him only having a very short time, uh, but Mike will put up with this. Sure. I have other things I need to do. Fair. Um, like record voiceover for the cartoon or something. Um, so Alex actually does want to know about Russia. Okay. And so here's, Mike has a weird take on this. All right. How does Mike Tyson, you know, we saw Dennis Robin almost in the Korean war that's been over 60 years. It kind of has ended. Thanks to him. Could you go over there? Maybe a burger, a pretzel, we put in Zelensky and

you know, um, I'm going to look at it like this. People are not going to like this. Um, if sometimes I see a hawk and he grabs a, if it's not a pigeon, but it's one that says like a Robin grabs a bird and I can stop him from killing that bird. But once I stopped him from killing that bird, then he dies. His baby died. So who am I saving? How am I right? So that's how I tell my kids who used the wrong, but how you write, you saved that bird right now. Now he's going to die. His baby's going to die. Something's going to die. I think that's the real knowledge is thinking multi-steps ahead. That is the real knowledge on one level. No, because that's what we're born to do. This, this is all born to happen. Everything that's happened right now

is ordained by God. Anything we do, we're interfering. We're the only problem people. Everything else is perfect. Yes, stuff. We're like fungus and stuff. Wow. Ah, so if I understand correctly, okay. If we don't allow Putin to reconstitute the entire USSR, right, then he'll, his kids will not be able to eat anymore. Sure. Okay. Yeah. If you, if you deny someone imperial ambitions, right? It's the equivalent of a bird not feeding. Right. Right. Right. Right. That is, that is a, what do you want from Mike Tyson? Right. You know, like fine, but why are we doing this? But I also think that the philosophy that he's actually espousing is a, is a horrifying way to live. It's a complete abdication of responsibility to do anything.

100%. And it's also internally convoluted and inconsistent because if he's saying it's humans who get in the way and everything is perfect and you just don't need to interfere, shouldn't that also be true of Putin? Why is he acting in some way? Isn't his action out of sync with this natural, wonderful ebb and flow that he's discussing? You know, now that you put it that way, maybe. What are the limits? Who has moral agency? I don't know. I feel like at a certain point, this is, this is a conversation between a guy who I think if I sat down and talked to, I could probably get to agree to what I say. And I don't know who you're referring to, because I think you could probably do with both. No, I don't. Well, I mean, maybe with

Alex. Depends on the topic. Depending on, yeah. Well, I mean, depending on what level of fury. But, but then Alex is just going to agree to whatever Mike Tyson says. So Mike Tyson is a very seemingly easily swayable person at this point in time. Maybe. I'm not sure. I don't know enough to say, but yeah, it's possible. Yeah. I think that from the other episodes, the clips that I've watched, I don't have a really good sense of this, but I think it would be possible for you to sit down with Mike Tyson and have a bizarre, but okay conversation. Yeah, I believe that. I think you'd have, I think almost anybody would have more chemistry with him than Alex. Yeah, that would definitely be true. Like everybody else that I've seen on the show,

I watched a bit of the Eminem one, a bit of Pierce Morgan, a bit of Trina, of course. There's some other ones I watched a bit of. And yeah, they're just people who are like, they're actually going back and forth. There's a little bit of interplay between them. It, it just Alex's. What a weird situation. Also, thank you so much Dennis Rodman for ending the Korean War. I can't believe that Dennis Rodman ended the Korean War because he did not first off and two, because why would he or how could he or what he hung out with Kim Jong-un? I mean, honestly, it's kind of in Dennis Rodman's worst personal interest to end the Korean War because then he won't get to hang out with his rich buddy anymore.

Also, here's the other thing. If Alex were to accept Tyson's philosophy and worldview, he should not be fighting the globalists because if he does, well, they're clearly the bigger hawk. They won't be able to feed their children. It's everything is as it should be. He doesn't need to kill that big hawk. Absolutely. The strong murder the weak in order to feed their kids. It's the circle of life and that's why you have to let millions upon millions of Ukrainians die. Honestly, I do kind of think that that is in line with like some of the stuff that Tyson espouses. Oh yeah. Like he does believe that there is like a natural hierarchy and that it is correct, which is bizarre, but we'll get to that a little bit down the line. He's been hitting the head a lot.

Here is after this, it goes to a clip from Mike's podcast that Alex recorded. So he's saying it's a little shroomy. Yeah, he's got a bag, but I think I can actually explain this here after this clip, I think. So what happened there is he has ear shaped edibles and like, yeah, I got you. So he didn't quite bury the hatchet all the way with or maybe only field gets a cut or something better. So Alex is grabbing. He already got a couple man. Alex is grabbing the bag from him and insisting on biting it like to be like, Oh, this will be a good commercial for you or whatever. It's sad, but I think maybe the ear looks a little bit like a mushroom or something like that.

That seems to be like maybe what he's getting at. Or maybe they tried to put some of the hallucinatory chemicals in there. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe it's got a little bit or something along those lines. Yeah, I don't know. It's a little shroomy. Maybe that's what he's saying. I don't know. But it is just a weed edible. Yeah. It is a little bit like, you know, I watched him getting Doug with high, you know, Doug Benson did that show at Largo, and he would have very famous people all get high together on stage. And then they just, you know, be high. Yeah. And the fun of that is the natural tension of like, is somebody going to get too high? Right. You know, who's going to get too high?

And somebody does, but everybody else just kind of freaks out. I do not enjoy that natural tension. No, no, no, no. This, this is that tension is gone. Everybody's gone. Well, but everybody's too hot. But that is the clip from the podcast that hasn't been air. Exactly. Right. They're too hot. If that's indicative of anything, it's like, this doesn't put this out. This isn't put this out. This is just not a product you would want to like. Yeah. Like, all right, maybe we can have Alex on another time if he controls himself or something. But like, yeah, this is just, this is, this, there is a difference between like Alex being fun and weird on Rogan's show, maybe, and him being kind of embarrassing with Mike Tyson. Right. Tyson doesn't

know him like Rogan does. No. And it, it comes off sad. Yeah. I wouldn't put a lot of hallucinogens in front of a person with absolutely zero impulse control, but that's just me. Well, to each his own. So we get back to Alex's interview. Okay. Seeing you in the last decade or so in interviews and everything I've really grown to love what you're doing and I've learned so much from you. I mean, you say a lot of stuff because I know a lot of philosophy, a lot of history that's original and true. What? I mean, you're definitely not plagiarizing folks. You're coming up with like the essence or it seems like you're really plugged into the zeitgeist. So just like you were plugged into the zeitgeist fighting. Now it seems like you're plugged in intellectually and spiritually

to the zeitgeist. I just followed the spirit of fighting and the spirit of fighting puts you in so many different arenas. It's the spirit because that's what fighting is. It's our spirit. It's nothing physical. Nothing physical. It's the spirit what keeps us alive that keeps us fighting. So to something click or what you just boom you're in the zone. It's what I'm born to do. It has to be. So what do you think you're, you're, what is your current fight with me and my behavior? Okay. All right. So I think the one thing that Mike said so far that constitutes like a philosophical thought is that idea that life is in essence gradual death. Sure. That's not even close to original. That's something like Arthur Schopenhauer said and that

dude died in 1860. The entire school of like existential nihilists would probably agree with Mike too. It's, it's not unique at all. Yeah. It goes nothing groundbreaking here. It's just two stone dudes talking shit about stuff they don't really understand, but they've surrounded themselves with people who are too afraid to tell them that like, this is high school level stuff guys. Yeah, that's not good. This is not deep. No. And it's kind of telling that you think it's deep. It tells me how deep you tend to go. Yeah. I, I mean, I, okay, just cause you hit people a while back doesn't mean you get to grow old into a guru. And I feel like a lot of people who hit people a while back feel like they get to grow into a guru

and you don't, you just don't. So that like stolen valor of somebody wearing a black belt who'd never earned it is the same as that valor of pretending to be a guru, philosopher, philosopher without ever actually learning anything. Sure. Sure. I mean, I think I, I'm trying to think of other people who fit the mold you're talking about. I guess they're like Eddie Bravo, Jean-Claude Van Damme. Wow. I mean, he was quite, quite deep. The muscles from Brussels had a lot of ideas. Steven Siegel. Siegel? That's his name. What? I listened to it on the dollop. It's Segal. Nope. He changed it, made it sound like that cause he didn't like sounding like he was a Jew. Yep. Oh boy. Cause he is. He's Jewish.

All right. Yeah. Look, he sucks in the movies. He sucks. All right. Yeah. Anyway, Alex brings up hallucinogens and this is where we first encounter the toad. Whoa. What about hallucinogens? We see big corporations now in studies admitting that mushrooms and other things are actually helping people wait better than synthetic drugs. You, it seems like have, have, if anybody's a test case for being more empowered and made better, I would say it's Mike Tyson. I don't put words in your mouth, but as far as DMT, as far as mushrooms, as far as the toad, how, how do those fit in? Like, how would you describe those three things? I would be a junkie right now. I probably would cause some dreadful disease right now. And this is just, it just woke me up and

raised me to my highest potential. Trying to reach that. But so it connected you to your real heart self. Yes, absolutely. The toad saved Mike's life. All right. I kind of want to do that toad now. Well, I mean, it wasn't that specific toad. No, it's the same thing as like, you know, from old TV shows and cartoons or people that lick toads. That's the same thing. Same thing. It's just that. Yep. Yep. Yep. He licked a toad and it saved his life. Yeah. Apparently this is caught on a little bit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is this like, uh, how ayahuasca was a huge thing like 10 years ago and everybody's like, are you going to try ayahuasca? That kind of thing. Yeah. And there's some preliminary research going on in terms of it having advantageous psychological benefits.

Right. There are, there are some indications that in the same way that there are indications that like psilocybin can be very helpful for therapeutic purposes. Absolutely. No. There's a chance. Amazing for MDMA is supposed to be amazing for PTSD and stuff. Yeah. There are, there are applications that are being explored in terms of the toad. Sure. But did he keep it? And like, I would, if I, if a toad had got me high, I would feel grateful and I would take it back with me and it would be my emotional support toad. So it would help me there too. He didn't stumble upon a toad one day. It's not what happened. Are you sure? Did it talk? In the cartoon maybe. Okay. So Mike compares the toad to like ayahuasca. Sure. And the comparison is shocking. Yeah.

What's, how would you describe mushrooms versus toad versus DMT? Mushroom, ayahuasca, all that other stuff. That's a part, that's a party medicine. You take the toad and it's a little long. Take the toad, you go sweep the car right away and he's telling you shit. Right away. There's no hesitation. You don't gotta wait 30 minutes. Boom right away. Yeah. Close your mind. I'm, I'm scared. I haven't done it, but I don't know. It is scary, but by doing that, you, you gain so much courage. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. Ayahuasca is a party drug. That's a party drug. Everybody's taking ayahuasca. Scream for hours. Oh, come on. Everybody says that, but it's a party drug. You got to lick toad if you want to do the real

shit, buddy. Well, actually I'm glad you've brought this up because you don't actually lick the toad. That's the old way of doing it. But you could. They have found a way to free base toad. Okay, I'll free base the toad. Wait, did they kill the toad? I don't think so. Okay, good. What did you, I would be honored if you tell us, because I've seen you talk about this few times. You haven't really said, said, smooth straight to God, but describe for me just as visual or however you can. What the toad did to you or what it was, what's it's like? You sit down. He takes this fine. At first, he busted off the, he busted from the toad. He puts it on the mirror. It gets hard. He makes fine sand. He puts it in this crack looking pipe. You smoke it, hold your breath,

and when you let it go, your soul goes here, your body goes there, and you go on a journey. And what did you say? More toads. All your demons. Okay, so it could have been more toads. Toad demons. All right. Okay, this is, you know, I remember a time when Alex would mock the idea of people who sit around to talk about drugs. Yeah, he would make fun of somebody who just sat around and talked about free basin toads all the time. Toad pus. Toad pus. Gotta take that toad pus. You make it into a fine sand and then you free base it like a crack. Good Lord. That's, that's fun. Yeah, so he describes what it's like and I understand what he's saying and the effect of it being positive or possibly freeing for him. Sure. But exactly what he's describing could lead someone to a mental

breakdown and like jumping out a window. It was like, it was like there were a thousand knives in between each one of my fingers, you know, right in that soft spot. See, not really, because that is really difficult to interpret in a positive way. True. What he's talking about is a psychological effect that he had that I think you could interpret positively, but also it's very easy to imagine someone experiencing the exact same thing and it breaking. Okay. So I don't know if I would be so quick to describe this as like. Let's find out. And what did you say? All your demons, you experience everything that you be afraid, you're afraid to tell somebody because you know they will have opinion about you and not be your friend no more. If you have to

feel that everybody knows all your troubles, all your dirt and you're just naked. You know, just living your life, not allowing. It's just, I can't articulate it. My trans snow, you're doing it perfectly. So it's transcending. Yeah, it's just letting you know this is who you are. Deal with this. You have that feeling. You don't see anybody, but you have that feeling that all the dirt or your dogs that you would never want anybody to know about you is open. You have that feeling of freedom like that. And it's really, you call completion almost like just beyond satisfaction. No, because I did around 60 times every time. Different domain. Yeah. It's not going, Hey,

it's not like, Hey, I'm ready for this joke. I did it so many times. I can handle it. No, it takes you somewhere else. Oh, you're like, fuck. Okay. So yeah, he's done toad 60 times. That's a lot of times to do toad. It's a lot of toad. That's a lot of toad. Um, so yeah, the experience of feeling like everybody knows all of the things you're ashamed of, right? There is a way that you could look at that as like, wow, what's the big deal? I can, I can withstand any of this. You know, there is a liberating feeling that you possibly could come to, or it could be the most intolerable feeling you've ever had in your life. Yeah, it would be the scariest idea that everybody knows everything about you. Um, and I, yeah, I, I, I don't know.

I don't know. I think people respond differently. Here's what I would say to you about that exact feeling and who it is freeing to and who it is not freeing to. It is freeing to celebrities who everybody already knows everything about them and make up bullshit all the time and they have to deal with it anytime and anywhere they want to do anything. I would even bet that some celebrities would not be good. Oh, that's probably true. I think it really comes down to like the way your mind experiences things. Yeah, like, and I don't even know if that would be it comes down to the way your mind experiences toad. Yeah, because I don't know if that would be a universal experience for people to have. Yeah. Is it standardized toad? Um, yeah, who knows? I mean, what's the,

what's the main? Is there a USDA rating on the terms on it as milligrams? Like, what are we talking about here? Yeah, it's, it's strange too. But I also think there's a like, there's a level that would be different between different people of like, what are the things you don't want to tell people? Sure. Sure. Because some people it's kind of like trivial stuff. And for some people it's like, well, I killed somebody. Right. Well, for Alex, it would be like, well, I didn't kill somebody. Right. Yeah. And everything I'm saying is a lie and has been for almost three decades. Yeah. But like there, there are differences. And then there's also differences in terms of self-awareness. Like you might not have access to things that you

should feel guilty about in some cases. And some people have too much access to things and feel guilty about things that they don't need to feel all that worried about. And I think they would be difficult in the toad scape to, to parse. Well, I mean, based on what Mike Tyson is describing, I think toad would absolutely kill Alex Jones, brain dead and in an instant. If it works the way that he says it does. Yes. Yeah. He would suddenly be flooded with an unconscionable amount of sin in one moment. So many fake criminals come up to him in his head. Yeah. That's, I think that would be as close to the total perspective vortex from Adam's toad. Ah, you're good. You're good. So look, you asked if it's standardized. I am. I'm interested. And here's, here's where Mike gets

his toad. Okay. How do you know it's the real toad though? Huh? How do you know it's real toad? It works. It works. Yeah. Because obviously we're talking about, so it reminds me to watch this and explain the shaman is he's pretty much like the guru, the teacher of the toads and the messages what the toad is from and the whole history of the toad. That's amazing. Well, who knows? Yeah, that's amazing. Is it amazing that a shaman who does nothing but give people toad knows about toads? He's got a toad shaman. He's a toad shaman. Where does the toad shaman from? The mushroom kingdom. Come on. Not a good one that time. Look, you can't win them all. But yeah, I think I would guess. Yeah. Toad shaman might be a

sketchy dude. No. No. Some sketchy dude in LA who calls himself a toad shaman instead of the toad dealer. Well, he wears different clothes than you would expect a dealer to. He wears flowing outfits. Yeah, nobody's on the corner. Yeah. Hey, you want some toad? Someone said that to me. I'm just so confused. I mean, maybe. Oh, God, I'm so out of touch with stuff that I didn't even realize this was like coming back as like a big hallucinogen. Yeah. Until I was listening to this, I'm like, wow, we got to look into this. I looked it up and you know, there are articles in the paper about like, you know, it's it's recently become a lot more prevalent. But it just seems so silly to me because it's it is the same thing as licking toads.

It's exactly the same thing as licking toads like you saw in cartoons when you were young. Yeah. Like maybe one of your dumb friends licked a non hallucinogenic toad. Like this is gross and I drank a lot of pee and shit. Yeah, this is funny. Just licking toads. I mean, yeah, you just that's that's tourism. You just don't want to actually lick the toad and get all the pee on there on top of your hallucinogen. That's weak tea. I don't you got to you take the good with the bad as Mike Tyson himself would say right because that toad isn't going to be able to feed its family. Right. It's like going to Laos and going to McDonald's. Yes, exactly. Come on. Bullshit toad. Lick the coward. Lick the toad. So we have another clip now from Mike's podcast that Alex recorded. Okay.

This is some deep stuff, stuff about geopolitics. I despise that they can't do nothing about it. We're the bullies. Russian, I'm glad they know damn bullies. They were worried about poison, poison and miscarriage. Why, why, why, why, why, why did he didn't do anything when Trump was in power? Like Trump was in power. Trump was threatening. Biden told Putin on the doorhead in the Bay to set him up and Putin took the bay. Yeah, under Trump. Let me do that. I didn't even know that. Yes, remember, we had the big boys on the campus. Sometimes news ones say that we're picking on people and people are

picking on us and they got, no, we're the big boys. If somebody's picking on us because we talk and we carry big, big, big fucking guns. Why do you think Nancy Booth is so much like this? I want to go on a dinner. I hope she's hot. I'm gonna have oral sex for the neck. I'm gonna lick that asshole. This guy hates you. You hate her, man. I've heard you spaz out. I'm gonna lick Nancy Booth. I'm dreaming of licking her butt. She's already been shitting on me for a long time. Family show host, Alex Jones, talk about giving Nancy Pelosi anal ingus. Come on.

That's when business picked up, though. You could tell like there was a change in the vibe. Everybody was starting to have fun with Alex. I want to eat Nancy Pelosi's ass. Rim jobs are where we're at. Come on, buddy. But I also kind of think it feels like they're laughing at him. It's not like this is a funny guy. Look at this idiot. Look at this village idiot. Oh, look, that ear really got to him. Man. Also, that cohost who's asking the questions, he didn't know that Biden told Putin to go into Ukraine because that didn't happen. No, no, no. He didn't do that. No, no. It is, of course, news. Yeah, I would have been a very weird thing for a president to have done and then to put into the news. Yep. But what are you going

to do? Well, you got to rely on Alex to come in and do some drugs and tell you all about it. If I didn't get my politics information from somebody who just took a weed gummy ear, then where am I going to get it from? Yeah, some about a toad shaman. Yeah. Yeah. What's next, huh? So the Pelosi talk continues. You can't trust anybody. No. She's next to my mother. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, Nancy Pelosi is just a, doesn't even know what planet she's on. She's just a front person. It's like a crypt keeper. So I mean, she's like a label on something. Remember the crypt, the kind of crypt. The next episode will be really scary. I'm going to be in trouble like no more.

No, you're not. What have we said that in truth? Pelosi is my mother and I lick her ass. Oh, wow. I appreciate your time. Let's talk about one of our mutual friends, Joe Rogan. Oh God, this is annoying. Wow. Yeah. You know, the thought occurs to me that Alex and Nancy have more in common than Alex or Nancy have with the rest of the world. Yeah, that may be true. You know, it may be true. People with a hundred million dollars are really only relatable to people with a hundred million dollars. Let's see. There's a detachment, certainly, from for both of them. Oh yeah. Creature comforts are available, like tap water. Think they're doing the right thing, but ultimately often are making problems worse.

Yeah. And borderline sociopathic whenever faced with an actual problem. Anilingus. Both of them love it. So yeah, that I mean, again, if this is indicative of what the conversation was like on the podcast itself, I'm putting that baby on that's not coming out. It does not fit with Tyson's other show that is right next to what was the song of the south in the Disney vault that's right next to it. Yep. So they get to talking about Joe Rogan. Sure. Because of course they're mutual buddies. Alex is talking to a celebrity. So Rogan's got to come up. Absolutely. That's my credibility. That's my cred. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I appreciate your time. Let's talk about one of our mutual

friends, Joe Rogan. Yes. What do you make of all the attempts to cancel him? I think it's only made any bigger. What do you think about that? I just think, wow, I just think some people are so I'm not gonna say blasphemous, but you're so indignified. They feel as if I don't want to hear that. How dare him say that when it's not even directed towards you. People want to fight other battles that don't even concern. No, you know, I don't know if that's the root of the world, but everybody wants to fight. That's what this country is all about. We have to fight something. If we can't fight something, we fight ourselves, we kill ourselves with drugs. And that's just the state of our country. It's been born on that physical altercation. Yeah. And so they see Joe

getting big. So they decided to make him a villain. Yeah. And listen, this country must have invented jealousy. Yeah. This country. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That does sound like somebody who thinks history started 9000 years ago. Isn't envy one of the deadly sins? Never heard of it before. Don't covet thy neighbor's wife. Where's that from? Is that Thomas Paine's? Oh, poor Tom's. From the Federalist papers. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I don't know. I don't find this that interesting. Nope. Thankfully, things start to pick up a little bit in the next clip. Why is America the most successful, but also the best, but also the most evil? It seems like a paradox. Like it's all going on. Because to me, America's so successful was because of the yin and yang, the balance. If this was a

perfect world, we lived in a perfect world with all the fool and all the money that we could even handle. We would, we would peel off in groups. We'd kill each other, rape each other, and then we would stop mating and then we'll all die out. That's what a perfect world would do. You imagine that having everything in the world would wind up dying, but in the world would struggle is life and they flourish. They're happy. Listen, this is why I never wanted to believe this, but my study in life and what my, what would you learn that the pecking order that God made is perfect. People need to be at the bottom and see that they can rise to the top and they need the top can fall at the bottom. Yes. There's a lot. There's a lot going on there. So in a

perfect society, we would all die. Right. I don't understand necessarily what basis there is for this. Well, I mean, I think maybe, and I'm going to be real generous here. Maybe he's saying that the only way for society to be perfect is for there to be no society. No. Do you know if everybody's dead than society's perfect? No, not at all. He's saying that if we had all of our material needs handled and taken care of, we would turn into roving communities of fighting people who would kill each other and then everyone would die because we would stop reproducing or something. Yeah, I was trying to, I was trying to avoid. Why would we stop reproducing even if we were in like gangs that were killing each other? I have no idea. People at war still fuck. No. No, they don't.

We'd all be too sad from having too many of our needs met, Dan. I mean, look, I don't really know what to take away from that other than like clearly there seems to be a belief that pain is what makes life possible. I suppose if I'm really grasping here, he's like poverty is essential for in order for the world to continue to exist. Well, and as we know from early American history, life is suffering. That's one of the four noble truths of the Ten Amendments. That is true. Yeah. So that's where that came from. I think that that's bizarre. Also, the idea that God ordained some kind of a hierarchy or the pecking order or whatever is really dumb, because it's changed a lot over time. Like at what point in time is the natural pecking order achieved?

Is it under a monarchy system? Is it under a feudal system? Is it whatever we've got going on now? Is it communism? What's who's to say which is the system that God ordained? I'm going to throw this out at you. Maybe what he's really saying is that things are going pretty good for me right now. I get the feeling that there's a little bit of that. Yeah. Maybe I would be more interested in fighting for other people if my needs weren't met right now. Well, and also I think that there's a really troubling end result of his thought process here, which is this notion that everything is as it should be and you shouldn't fight things and all that. I get there's a little bit of a spiritual detachment from stuff that can be positive, but legitimately what he is advocating

for would have led to civil rights never happening. There is an abdication of any responsibility to further the amount of people who are enjoying. Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. Based upon what he is saying, I'll go the opposite direction. He said that a perfect society where everybody's needs are met, we'd all wind up dying. I would say a society built around his ideas, one with rampant income inequality, with a ruling class repaciously treating the world. It would actually lead to everybody killing each other and dying. I'm just throwing that out there based on last year and then the year before. But you shouldn't fight. No. Especially not fight for things that don't directly affect you. Why does everyone care about that? Why is everybody fighting

about other people? Why does everybody care about Joe Rogan being a rampant transphobe? You're not trans. Why would you care? You shouldn't care. It's not your problem. People just want to fight. That's all it is. You just want to fight. You don't care about anybody. I mean this is a bordering on nihilistic worldview that I find objectionable. But I also don't know if these are deeply held beliefs that he has or if they're just high. That's kind of what I was thinking when I said easily swayable. I kind of feel like right now with a conversation going the other way he'd be like well obviously everybody should be taken care of and trans rights are really important. I don't know. I don't know if that's necessarily true. But here is a deeply held belief.

Okay. So you seem like really empowered and happy. I don't know anything about empowered but I'm just I'm enjoying this life and looking forward to death as well. Well you talk about looking forward to death. Mike we don't want you to leave this plane anytime soon. But I have nothing to do with what you want. I'm what people want. I understand. I'm saying you're right. So you say you're looking forward to death. Oh absolutely yes. Yes. For what I believe death is death is death is death is what I believe that's when I really begin to live. I think that there is a positive thing about making peace with the reality of death and maybe contextualizing it as part of the life process. I don't really feel like that's what Mike's doing. Nope. He seems to be talking about death as like

oh god I can't wait. Yeah now they do seem to be having a lot in common in regards to like that. You know this all this whole thing is a test and this is all bullshit and everything is created as a trial and then when you die you get the good shit. The difference is that Alex thinks you go to space and you fly around. That's true. And Mike thinks you hang out with a toad. I mean it's pretty cool toad and if you lick it even when you're dead you get high so that's worth it right. But then you lick it and you think you're alive for a minute as opposed to thinking you're dead. That would make you want to kill yourself. Oh god. Anyway Mike doesn't actually want to die. That's the distinction that we need to make. But you're not but you're not going to check out

any time soon. I'm not personal but I don't I don't clean the life. You know if I want to go somewhere I'm a go somewhere I'm not going to have any guns and somebody's going to try to rob me they have to just kill me I'm not going to do all that please take my money out on all that crap. It's just this is how I live my life. Free. I like to believe it's free but it's not as attempt to be free. That's man I gotta tell you Mike Tyson like the biggest philosopher in the world right now in your twenty twenty two what other philosophers or thinkers do you admire. I'll call you I'm just really awesome. Oh yeah and even though people just think this is stupid Nietzsche is really awesome for me my psychic he's awesome you know.

All right. All right. So did he say that him and his psychic think Nietzsche is you got it. All right. That makes a lot more sense to this whole giving someone life is giving someone death bullshit. Also look this is what he's what Tyson's describing there is like a really likely situation like a mugger is out looking for someone to rob and he chooses Mike Tyson the gigantic man with a face tattoo who's considered one of the best punchers in boxing history. I mean obviously you burgle into his house when he's gone what kind of idiot would rob him. If I were Mike I would live my life free from the fear of that happening as well. Would not trouble me too much. Yeah it would be interesting to have zero physical like threat

ever. I mean maybe you have some from a weapon or a sniper or whatever but the odds of that are pretty low. Also I don't want to be a dick here but the idea that you may not be free but are trying to be free that's nowhere near a new philosophical idea. And I think that's kind of the problem with the information space that this interview lives in. It's not grounded in any kind of education on the subjects that are being thrown around like this is there's like freshman level philosophy class ideas that are being treated as mind blowing. They literally just threw out young and Nietzsche the thing every freshman fucking class has. And especially freshman edge lord types. Yeah totally. Debate me. So we're coming to the end of this interview

and I would say that if the other episode is anything like this I would not want to put it out myself. It's just not worth the hassle and the quality of content makes this show look like an amateur operation. We are in amateur operation and I would still be uncomfortable airing this as an episode of our show. I would not do it. No. For Alex the calculus is different though. He puts out nothing but loads of trash and there's no real downside for him. The quality of content isn't important in the info war as evidenced by the unbelievable volume of unwatchable videos on Bandod video. For Alex the quality is irrelevant. He was able to record a thing with a celebrity. He knows that thing is going to draw in a lot of attention so that thing needs to be put out

regardless of how little there is going on in it and how just dumb some of this is. I mean yeah it doesn't he doesn't want people to listen to it. This is wants people to talk about it. Exactly. He wants people he wants people on Twitter to clown on him for being such a drunk dumb dumb. He wants people to be outraged or whatever. He doesn't actually care if anybody listens to the podcast. What's important is that people keep talking about it. That's it. So we have a couple clips left and one of them is Mike having an interesting take on covid. I doubt that. You're right. The lockdowns are over. The covid stuff. I never knew it was. Well you know the whole the whole covid 19 lockdowns mask. What do you think of it. I don't know. I don't know it's politically

correct for me to say because people have died from it. You said whatever you want on this show. I know it's a vital disease where people die but me myself personally I've been around thousands of people. I've been the same boss. I've been the center and this year all this year a couple of times. I've been the same boss twice this year. I've been I've been around a bunch of people hugging and kissing eating with people. We don't have masks and I'm okay. And I'm not saying I believe in covid because it's killed some people. Oh me too. I got it. Yeah. I believe but if I don't have covid now I don't think I can ever catch covid. I was so congested and saved so many people and loving and hugging so many people and I'm saying but I don't have but you're the uber

bench and that's why you never got sick. That's why I just want to say no no so why do you think you never got it. Everybody else did. I don't know but this is what I also know too. A person that has a disease can die from it psychologically faster than he could physically. I really know that. Yeah. Oh yeah they know that. They know that. I certainly hope that you know Mike didn't have a case of like an asymptomatic case or maybe a mild case that he didn't know. Do you mean he almost certainly statistically probably had that. Also he doesn't say whether or not he's vaccinated. He might have gotten vaccinated and I could have taken his risk significantly down. I would not. Based on what he has said so far I highly doubt that he would want somebody to

vaccinate him. I think the fact that he had Robert Kennedy Jr. on doesn't. Yeah you're right. I doubt he's like hey Robert I've been triple vexed and I'm fine. I'm literally Mike fucking Tyson. What do you have to say. I think you're probably right. But yeah the notion that if I haven't gotten it I'm not going to get it is stupid. And then second I don't know if I trustfully that he never got it. Yeah I don't. I mean I haven't been sick. I've been very careful. I wear masks all the time. I avoided areas especially indoors for you know this period. I don't know for sure that I haven't gotten totally because I could have had a case that I didn't identify. There's there's is entirely possible. If you did I did like neither of us

have tested positive. That does not mean that we tested when we may have had an asymptomatic case. So I mean I think that the odds for Tyson are significantly higher because we've been really safe. Based on the description of his behavior. Yeah. Whoo. Wow. You know that is that is kind of a I don't know. I suppose a child like way of trying to view the world is kind of what I'm seeing right now is just this idea of like well whatever happens happens and if it's not happening to me it'll never happen. And all of this like I don't have any concern. And while I understand that not having concern can look like freedom what it really more is is narcissism. That might be another thing these two have in common. That could be. So you have one last clip

here Jordan and Mike down for this because I think this is actually going to get it's going to veer into your wheelhouse here. And I don't know. I think I think you might have some things to learn from Mike. I couldn't even believe some people could even what is that project themselves and get themselves sick by worrying it so much. Yeah that happens. They themselves believe that they have COVID and they actually get it. Worry themselves. Yes. That's that's what most of the guy named Confucius was Buddha. Buddha was trying to suffer and he then that's why he became Buddha because he couldn't handle why people were suffering. And he said there's no such thing as suffering. So he decided that it's self-suffering. More than suffering. The suffering doesn't exist.

Wow. Wow indeed. Wow indeed. That is that is a wow moment for somebody to say that. Yeah. Wow. Specifically. I was blown. I was blown away that you brought up the four noble truths earlier. Yeah. I was like oh just you wait. Oh my god. Wow. So Jordan you're somebody who has a passing interest in Buddhism. Sure. I have three statements that Mike Tyson made in that last clip but I would like for you to evaluate on the Buddha scale. On the merits. Yes. Okay. The first one is he became Buddha because he couldn't handle that people were suffering. How true do you assess this statement to be. Well I would say not at all true. But I mean Siddhartha wasn't like stoked but he was a super rich dude. Like how really concerned can you possibly be if your solution

after being super rich is to go sit under a fucking tree. Mm-hmm. You see what I'm saying. But motivation wasn't entirely like he couldn't handle that people were suffering. No it was more like what the fuck's going on here. So here's the second one. Okay. He said there's no such thing as suffering. God did not create suffering. Oh well let's start with God. Uh huh. Nope. Let's start with suffering. What's the first noble truth. The first noble truth. What's that truth again. Life is suffering. So the thing that he said that the Buddha was like there's no suffering. God didn't create it. Quite the opposite. A little bit opposite. Yeah. Literally the opposite. So then the third one is it's self suffering that we suffer from. Yeah.

Well there's a there's a way you could kind of make that work because suffering is what your desires are. If you if you wanted to say that detachment is equal to self suffering. Right. In that regard. Yeah. Then it's a stretch. Sure. But you can kind of get there that like yeah yeah it's it's as close to accurate as you're going to get but the notion that there's no such thing as suffering is real fun. No that one's bananas. Also the idea that he's mixing it up with Confucius is fun. And yeah I mean the that's that's kind of that makes sense though. It does seem like his knowledge of philosophy is just a jumble of stuff that pops out when it is in this branch. He likes young and he's not he's not into the eastern schools as much.

Sure. But to throw that out. That's that's powerful stuff. It definitely deserves a wow. You know what. You know what. Let me throw this out at you. Yeah. How much does history lie to us Dan. Does Mike know something that we don't know. Yeah the toad told him that Buddha actually said there's no such thing as suffering. The toad was actually Amitabha toad. You say its name as you lick it in order to. Yeah. Yeah. That's how it goes. Yeah. I think I think you might be on to something. So we come to the end of this sort of wacky Wednesday. It was wacky. There was there was some some interesting wacky esque. Yeah. I think the thing that I really was impressed with the most is like how little vibe there was between them.

That was I've seen him like with Rogan and and Eddie Bravo like there's at least an electric chemistry between them. They could make something like kind of fun to watch. Sure. Sure. And well like when he was on that like flagrant to podcast and he got fucking wasted. Right. Those dudes were going along with him. Right. Like they were taking his energy and coasting with it. Sure. Whereas like this is just two dudes who like are like not incompatible but they just they're not like they're not vibing at all. No it's question answer question answer with a pause like there's no give back there's no like you know any moment where he goes yeah yeah and here's what and then you go back and he goes back and Tyson says something completely bizarre and Alex is like yeah

totally. That sounds right. Totally. Actually they've proven that. Yep. And then he goes on to the next question. Yeah. Because he doesn't want to follow up with his bullshit because then he's going to get into a disagreement with him. I'm telling you about Klaus Schwab. Exactly. Like okay. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, Jordan will be back. Maybe Alex will be back in studio at some point. We can figure out what he wants to say about January 6. We'll see. But until then we have a website. We do. It's knowledgeright.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge of the core fight and I go to bed Jordan. Yep. We'll be back. But until then I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I hope you all have a wonderful and dreamy and creamy summer.

And now here comes the sex robot. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.