Knowledge Fight - #71: August 4, 2017

Episode Date: August 7, 2017

Today, Jordan is about to embark on a vacation overseas, but before he goes, Dan has to tell him all about what has been going on lately on The Alex Jones Show. He briefly touches on the nonsense Alex has been selling about Seth Rich, but most of the episode has to do with a deeply, deeply troubling interview Alex conducts on the Friday installment of his show, where he disseminates pro-Putin propaganda.

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and have a little chit-chat about Alex Jones. There is, however, a twist to that, correct?

One important twist. There's one big one. It's like our blues traveler, if you will. It's like a structural... It's like our... If you were going to dox us, it would be with our hook. We're our show to be a pretzel. This would be the thing in the middle. And that is that I know a lot about Alex Jones. Yep. I don't know anything about Alex Jones.

And there we find our dynamic. Absolutely. Today, we are celebrating a little bit because you're about to go on vacation. I'm about to leave. I'm about to go to Iceland and see the glaciers right before they disappear forever. Absolutely. So this week might be a little strange on the podcast. I might be trying to get some replacement Jordans to fill in here and there, but I don't know. We'll see what happens.

But for now, we're celebrating safe travels to you, sir. Wonderful. Give my best to the people of Helsinki. Oh, wrong country. Reykjavik. Yeah, Reykjavik is the one. Now, we also have in backup. Oh, we mentioned that we...

Did I say we're drinking Boone's farm? You said we're drinking Boone's farm. I don't think I did. I think I just said because we're celebrating and I was going to get to the fact that... Oh, you didn't. All right. We got Boone's. I've had too much Boone's already. I've had a couple of sips and I am drunk.

Yeah. Now, we have backup for drinks though. Indeed. And that, as you have told me, is built around Patriotism. What color is that box of perhaps blue ribbon? There is a red... There's a red stripe. There is.

There's... It's got a white background. And a blue ribbon. And a blue goddamn ribbon. That's for America. That's American America right there. And that's going to come into play. That's going to be very important.

Yeah. But... It's more Chicago America, but, you know... Look, Chicago's a great part of America. We love it. Absolutely. Speaking of things we love, I'd like to give a shout out to our new Donator.

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You'll become a policy wonk. I recommend it. It's a high status position in these here parts. So, Jordan. In these parts, yes. Before you go on vacation, I wanted to, you know, sit down with you, record this episode. Because I needed you...

I couldn't allow the idea of you going on vacation without being up to speed on what's been going on in 2017 with Alex Jones. Oh, absolutely. That way I can jump right back in. I'm sure nothing will happen in the next week that will be very important. No, the rate of our political system

and how everything's going, it's going to be pretty static. Yeah, it's going to calm down. It's really going to be... Yeah. So, we're going to be going over mostly August 4th. Okay. Friday, August 4th.

But in order to catch you up, I'm going to be just discussing the narratives that Alex Jones has been pitching on August 2nd and 3rd. Today is the 3rd. Friday is the 3rd, right? No, 4th. We're recording this on Friday. Holy shit.

It's Friday, August 4th? Do you need to get to a plane? I... Oh, no. That would be funny. You and your girlfriend both have the same date-based delusion. So, on the 2nd, which was Wednesday.

Yeah. Alex Jones, as I mentioned on the last episode, on the 1st, he was coming in with some new Seth Rich shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was coming in with another wrinkle in the Seth Rich case and then on the 2nd, he goes even harder. He goes even further. And that is because some audio was released of Seymour Hirsch.

Award-winning journalist Seymour Hirsch giving, talking about how the Russian stuff is all nonsense and he knows who has like concocted all of it and that he has been told by high-level sources that Seth Rich was the source for WikiLeaks. He was the guy. He was the guy who gave stuff to WikiLeaks. But he also says,

I don't know if that murder was related to it. So that... Could have just been a murder or whatever. You win some, you lose some. Crazy coincidence. It would be a crazy coincidence, right? So beyond that, in the Seymour Hirsch tape, he's talking about how Seth Rich had come into possession

of a bunch of these emails and what have you. And he was trying to get money from WikiLeaks in exchange for them. He was trying to sell them to WikiLeaks and he had indicated to people that he had given a locked Dropbox code. A digital Dropbox. Right, to some friends.

So even killing him wouldn't stop the dissemination of this information. That stuff would be very trackable. He also did hide stuff under a park bench. Indeed. In Central Park. Yep. Safest place.

Absolutely, like in the movies. Yeah. The problem with this narrative is, first of all, Seymour Hirsch, the last statement that he gave was that he talked to the gentlemen who... Oh God, this is such a twisted web. So there was that Republican fundraiser,

that donor, that big donor, who had hired Rod Wheeler, the private detective. Yes. And got the family to sign off on it. Seth Rich's family to sign off. But he paid for it and was directing it. And now Rod Wheeler is suing Fox News

for taking his words out of context and attributing quotes to him that he didn't say. Of course. So that big donor is also the one who apparently recorded Seymour Hirsch saying these things. I'm sure he doesn't have a vested interest in either direction.

This is pure. Very unbiased. This is just about getting the truth out. Yes. And then beyond that, Seymour Hirsch has said, the only comment that he's made about the entire situation is that all he's heard is rumors. And that the donor guy whose name always slips my mind.

I feel very bad about that. But he actually just... I think the quote was he heard two and two and put them together and made his own conclusion. Okay. Now did Seymour confirm that that was his voice and those were his recording? He does not make a comment about the actual tape.

Okay. It seems like it would be really important for him to make that comment. There are some deep... Well, I mean, if you do a voice comparison, apparently it's pretty similar. Okay. I don't know if I can scientifically say that.

Yeah. It's believable that it is him, but it is a real problem that he's making the statements that all I've heard is rumors and then on this tape he's saying something that... Yeah. It's coming off as not just rumors. Uh-huh.

But... It's explosive. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, the idea that Seymour Hirsch, somebody who does have a real track record in journalism as opposed to all the people that we deal with, the idea of him giving credence to this, the Seth Rich conspiracy is a huge deal.

So if he isn't commenting on whether or not it's his voice and the audio comparison says it's him, I think he's probably the guy who did it. Yeah. Yeah. Well... I mean, kill Seth Rich. That's what he did.

Yeah. Wait, what are you talking about? I'm talking about Seymour Hirsch killed Seth Rich. That's one theory. That's... Troubling, if true. Troubling, if true. The thing that you also have to take into account with this

is like Seymour Hirsch has won a couple of Pulitzer Prizes. Yeah. He is a historically respected journalist. He's a real journalist. But he's also a guy who has believed nonsense stories from anonymous sources repeatedly throughout his career. Okay. There is a lot of criticism of him that you can find

of people who are like, this is absurd. This is absolutely absurd. He is believing people just telling him shit. Yeah. Like, and he's even said that he has a different journalistic standard that he keeps himself to in his writing and in his speech. So if he gives a speech,

he doesn't have to hold himself to the standards that he has to hold to writing. So he said, quote, sometimes I change events, dates and places. I can't fudge what I write, but I can certainly fudge what I say. That doesn't sound great. Yeah.

I can't lie when I publish things, but I will lie all the time. If I'm talking or I can lie. Yeah. Yeah. And then there was also a really high profile thing. The fact that he didn't say forget the dates or, you know, maybe I miss, you know,

mistranslated them. He said fudge, which kind of suggests he's lying intentionally. Yeah. Yeah. So the other thing is that there was a pretty high high profile incident of him claiming that the Abu Ghraib prison that soldiers were raping little boys and that they

were being videotaped to terrorize people to terrorize detainees and the soundtrack of the screams would play and stuff like that. Wait, American soldiers were raping little boys. That was the that was the contention. Wow. And it turns out that when he was pressed on that he pretty much backed down to saying look some contractor might have

raped a young boy and someone might have taken a picture of it. I was like, well, there's a bit of a difference between these two stories. Yeah. I don't know what like that embellishment. I wouldn't put it beyond Blackwater. They've done all the all the atrocities you can do.

I'm not talking about what's true and what's not. I'm talking about what is made, what claims are made and then what explanations are given when asked about those claims. Yes. So those Seymour Hirsch does have a good track record with like the My Lie Massacre other things he's uncovered. He does also have a problematic history of embellishing

admitting he embellishes and believing anonymous sources that are probably lying to him or unreliable. Gotcha. That has happened a bunch. So I don't, I can't take Seymour Hirsch's word totally at face value from this anonymous anonymously sourced clip that is published on Cassandra Fairbanks' website.

That's where I know that. So it also has like a Providence problem, like where it's ending up coming from. Yeah. So Alex Jones is screaming about this for most of the day, but I don't want to listen to that because it's nonsense. So I have this clip instead for you and it's him sort of talking about,

he's still a little mad about John Oliver. Of course. And so he's in the middle of a plug and he, here's what he says. With just water and taste. Okay. And I want you to try it with milk and a few ice cubes and tell me if it doesn't taste delicious.

The issue is though a lot of folks are using it for weight loss because it's so filling. That's why some people now are actually whipping it up in a blender and then freezing and eating it like kind of like yogurt ice cream or something. I mean, in fact, we're going to do a whole I'm doing a taste test.

I think I'm going to go down the hiking bike trail with a whole setup and do a taste test of it. Absolutely. The hiking bike for a Pepsi challenge from some place like Wendy's. If you're getting a frosty, you're going to get it from some place like Wendy's maybe from Wendy's.

I'm going to get a big Mac from a place that's like McDonald's. I'm going to get a peanut butter parfait from a place that's like Wendy's as well. How dare you? It's from the brazer. It's from the Dairy Queen. I used to work there when I was 15. It was a miserable time.

So you have a lot of brand loyalty, but I did eat a lot of peanut butter parfaits to lose weight because they were so filling. They were so filling. Right. That's him skirting the line of saying this is a weight loss yeah. No,

no, it's not doing that. That's right on the line. It is. A lot of people are using it for weight loss because it tastes so bad. You never want to eat again. Right.

Right. But you isn't it fascinating how like he's still it's still just in his craw that John Oliver insinuated that one of his products tastes bad. Oh, this and used his own reaction as evidence. Yeah. He's furious about that. Yeah.

No, that's completely in character. I buy that. I would be shocked if he just moved on from that. Totally like this is this is an affront to him. This is an affront to his business and this is a reason that people might not buy ship, which is the only thing he cannot abide.

Yeah. And he's petty. Yeah. Yes. So that's you know most of the substance of the second is taken up with the the Seth Rich narrative and I want to be fully fucking clear about this info wars as an institution should I mean first of all they don't have any credibility to begin

with. None, but they should have lost their credibility vis-a-vis Seth Rich when they tried to pull that stunt where Jerome Corsi might get murdered this week. That's right. That's right. How quick we forget that they pretended that Jerome Corsi

was going to get murdered is Jerome Corsi still alive. He is. He was just on the other day. I mean now I don't know as we record is Jerome Corsi alive. This is Friday August 4th. If by Monday we don't know whether or not he's alive. I think we know what happened. You're doing another weekend.

I think we know what happened. This is bullshit. Seymour Hirsch killed him. I got got a lot of got to keep eyes on that Hirsch. I hear or the ghost of Seth Rich did it. I will buy both could have been a vindictive ghost. Absolutely. So we move on to August 3rd and it's a Seth Rich's bones that

are in that broth. Weight loss. So Alex surprisingly much to my surprise he actually drops the Seth Rich narrative just immediately. You know why because on the 3rd it came out that that info warrior got fired from the government. So that was the story where oh yeah that's right. The guy put out the whole global is that or other that fired

from the National Security Board Board Department and I see yeah because he had written a paper that had to do with how the globalists were trying to team up with the Islamists to overrun the country. Yeah and HR McMaster said oh no no you get out you get out because you are crazy. Yeah of course Alex Jones sees that as HR McMaster is a fucking globalist course and he's trying to keep our people

out and of course should as we all should but from everywhere but hold on. I don't want to get a peanut butter parfait from an info warrior talking about Wendy's place like it got you the thing that I think is super fascinating is if Alex himself believed that Seth Rich was murdered by the DNC as his narrative would lead you to believe he believes he wouldn't stop talking about it right he makes a big deal out of it for

a day so he can come back to it a week down the road two weeks down the road or whatever to become one of his new waystone right he just gets bored by it's like this would unravel everything why don't you keep going down that road you dumb dumb it's boring because well he also just knows there's nothing here yeah of course he knows that you know push too far you start to realize oh my god it's other Russian aligned propagandists who are putting out this information shit so the

thing that I think is really fascinating I think you're going to love this to I think everyone's gonna love this okay is that Alex's main complaint is that they're trying to encircle Trump they're trying to cut off all communication with him from people who aren't approved by HR McMaster General Kelly and who's the third one I don't know bad dog Mattis so you got these this triangle of generals and hey I'm with you I don't want generals all over the place no I'm not thrilled with that

I'm guessing they're gonna think everything is a nail and use the hammer that they're used to yeah that's I don't want a military coup no it turns out Alex doesn't either but we have very different views on it because he thinks the globalists are using these generals to get Trump out in a military coup whereas rational minds would look at it and say huh you know what he appointed all those generals yeah it's clearly doing this on purpose maybe they'll affect a coup for him or maybe

they will just maybe he's just frankly Trump is a moron they can just tell him what they want him to do and he'll do it you have an effective effective yeah it's effectively a military junta at this point if the if the cabinet is all people it's it's it's fucking Dr. Strangelove like that's what we're dealing with to some extent so Alex believes that and maybe it's true maybe it's not I don't know that Trump is becoming incredibly isolated from outside information

sources right kill the snake at the head and so he has he has this to say that I think is fascinating because it it be lies that something that he's based his entire position on Trump on is a complete lie and he knows it and then folks that Trump has brought in to the National Security Council and brought in the State Department are writing papers on this for the State Department I have it my stack and they're getting fired there's nobody in the State Department

for writing papers quoting globalist quoting Peter Sutherland Al Gore and of course George Soros in the BBC saying we're getting rid of the West we're getting rid of Europe we're getting rid of free market we're using Muslims to do it he is taking everything out of context these people are not saying that that's what they're doing it's in the BBC it's not but then beyond that I want you to keep like keep track of this Soros has been a globalist forever and Alex is mine oh yeah

he's been helping the Nazis this isn't a recent interview he did with the BBC and everything that Al Gore has been doing has been on record it's not it's not like last week he did something real globalist D or something like that like touch a glowing orb right right you didn't do any of those sorts of things so all this is stuff that's in the past that's important to remember as the rest of this clip goes on and that Alex is lying about what globalists say admitting the

plan and they don't want that being given out the government but they've already admitted it and Trump's a really smart guy when it comes to basic free market policy and trying to run the country but folks who have talked to the president recently when you talk to him reportedly those that have talked to him at length I mean hour long conversations he's basically winking he doesn't know about a lot of this and they're isolating more and more the one little pinhole he gets now

is Sean Hannity that he watches most nights no that's the pinhole and so thank God and that's why they're trying to fire him so beyond that being kind of alarming that his pinhole into the world is Sean Hannity yeah the it's it's a great that the only way he gets a window into the outside world is through Sean God damn Hannity but beyond that I think what's more important to point out is that he's talking about what this guy was writing in these reports about globalists and all

this shit yeah which is stuff deep in the past and Alex is saying that people who are talking to the president are saying that he's not aware of that stuff which flies right in the he's not a secret patriot that it flies right in the face of this clip from January 19th of this year I tell you it's an incredible time to be alive history is happening Trump's for real he's anti-New World Order he was let in on the whole communist globalist plan back in the 60s by the

congressional experts that had access to all the classified files and they went to mention I'm releasing here on air nobody else has I just want everybody to know that I think now is the time to even release that information so people understand exactly why Trump has been a patriot sleeper cell and I always said what if we had people that went along with the system like the leftist have done or actually sleeper cells the other way around and it turns out that that's exactly

what Donald Trump is but he doesn't know who Peter Sutherland is or what his plan dating back to that oh he's known about all of this since the 60s what the fuck is wrong with you what the fuck where is the what are you making up all of it and yeah it has to be all of it of course of fucking course oh he doesn't know about this stuff he needs this guy in the National Security Committee to write papers for him to keep him abreast of all these past globalist acts he's a sleeper

cell he's been doing it since the 60s he's been hip to all this we've got a patriot he's re sleeper selling though that's what he's doing cuz cuz Trump that's interesting cuz Trump may have early onset dementia he is re sleeper selling I think that's what's going on that would make him the perfect exactly deep cover guy he doesn't know he doesn't even know yeah until he's activated by the digital Dropbox so that as it relates to Trump being a secret anti globalist gentlemen

who's at the door I think it's a globalist it's a globalist it's a door yeah keep it locked end of this bit it's been too long I forgot how to do it you're busted Alex you're busted Alex so we go on a little bit on August 3rd and he wants to talk more specifically about McMaster and these these other generals the Kelly and Mad Dog so he's gonna he says this I don't want anybody named Mad Dog running the country doesn't sound great that's a bet look you can be a fighter pilot you

can be Maverick you can be Mad Dog you can be Iceman you shouldn't be running the fucking country at the same time he seems much more competent and sensible than a lot of the other people we got in the mix that's true still not good not great but anyway Alex has a different complaint about them than we do and he makes it here this is a lot bigger than you guys retiring with some Saudi deal or some five million dollar a year defense contract she can go play golf and live

in your big fancy house with your stupid trophy wife like the president the globalist want to kill the country and are you really gonna ally with a billion and a half Muslims and really sell us out to them because that's what's going on and and do you think you're ever gonna get away with that you think Trump is your problem Trump's only one wave in this one manifestation of the awakening you're never putting the genie back in the bottle you must join with us you must join

with the republic you must join with prosperity you must join with Christianity you must join with common sense you must join with the Renaissance you must join with your ancestors and be honorable which ones confederate one the old tradition the US military ones who killed all the Native American in charge of things that haven't shown their honorably brass and you also come from bad families in general you had to come from good families

because you got to trust the genetic type of a person oh now you're turning your back on your families on your bloodline now everything you are this new world order believing you're in this big multi-dimensional complex system of of of joining with oh my God grand chess board to project power into the future and to control Islam as your magic key to control Russia and China and all it's gonna do is bring us down it wants to destroy the West it wants to bring it down

it wants to enslave everything you do not join with Islam you do not join with cancer it eats your guts out and then it kills you like previous do you scare a moochie do you think he he knows what he's saying he just said that there needs to be a genetic test basically he just said that if you come from good genes yeah I don't think I've ever heard anything like that before except for the entirety of keeping black people away from any rights yeah I mean and he he always talks about

how like he's basically calling other people savages like that's what he's fucking doing to unbelievable without having to make much of a stretch from his literal text yeah you can say that he's a fucking white nationalist that's absolutely white nationalist no other explanation for that that's beyond a dog whistle oh yeah that's harsh oh yeah the that's David Duke level territory now he would hide behind saying like no these are coward families or something like that you sure

you your family fought for the Confederacy you dick weed yeah you fucking prick so I'm fucking but he just called for it's all he means only white people that's what he means mm-hmm explicitly yeah I'm used to I'm used to the dog whistle I handle the dog whistle but that I mean I can't handle that obviously in my history I'm not doing good dog whistles but this is fucking this is a step beyond right yeah this is unbelievable yeah whenever you get into like it I mean this

is profoundly eugenics II yeah but beyond that even I want to go back to the beginning of the clip where he's saying like you have to come with us you have to join with us you have to join with prosperity you have to join with Christianity yeah I can't think of any reason why that would be important but like what kind of rhetoric is that oh it's like you got a greater you know what that's a lot like it's a lot like fucking ISIS 100% yeah CNN and Alex Jones or ISIS

that's a new button that's our yeah we'll just piggyback who cares yeah let's just start throwing it will have a list and just start crossing things out as what is ISIS at any given point sure I got a dry raceboard yeah exactly done okay they're not ISIS and at this point ISIS isn't even as bad as ISIS now I'm less scared of them than I am of Alex way more afraid of white nationalists yeah I'm fucking believable so now if you want to take the sting off it a little

bit I want to play you the end of that clip again and then what happens immediately after it and I'm going to tell you this it's going to get boring a little bit towards the middle of this clip but it's worth it just to hang with it and I've not edited this at all okay this is exactly what happens at the end of that clip we just listened to where he screamed about good families and you have to come with God white nationalists yep yeah here's what happens immediately after

you do not join with cancer it eats your guts out and then it kills you sales now here's the facts Jack we have the global is trying to shut us down every front but despite that you have increased your funding and support of our operations and your prayers and you're spreading the links and articles on every platform you can nothing can stop you you are our social media team listeners we need you to take action and we need your financial support you are unpaid

social media team yeah actually you pay us yeah so now beyond that this this clip is going to go on for a while but I kept it in its entirety because I think it's fun every now and again to take a nice look at his literal like how he does this because John Oliver did a good job of covering a lot of the sales stuff yeah but what he didn't do is actually play like a full commercial and I want to point out a couple things because this is the beginning of August so that

means that the June sales just ended or the July sales just ended are you sure the Easter sales didn't just Easter sales have been in effect for a while they might as well of where are Halloween sales I want to be clear this is a point that I want to make everything is always on sale yeah and you'll see it demonstrated in this clip exactly we've ended the big free shipping specials all those products were about to sell out so we've ended those specials as I said we would today

but we're launching in the month of August the 1776 defend America specials brain for shipping normally 35 bucks is 55% off 1776 the great new tropic very popular survival shield x2 the good clean high quality deep earth source iodine it is 55% off that 1776 secret 12 the amazing medical bottom and organic be 12 on the synthetic garbage under the tongue highest quality secret 1255% off oil of oregano incredible high quality from the Mediterranean organic 1776 40% off

wait so does everything normally cost 3552 something like that but look here's the point I want to make first of all these are not that different than the sales they had before these are pretty much the same sales except he's made all the prices 1776 yeah another point I want to make is if you want to turn yourself into the patriotic branded dollar store I like that I like the idea of it be like everything so I kind of enjoy that on the 1776 Dollar Tree you remember you've been

there it's the it's the Dollar Tree of Liberty yeah the tree of Patriot blood yeah but I think I think this really should highlight a sense of desperation because I don't know what kind of markup they actually do but it can't be much more than like 200% or so I would disagree you think it's much higher than that I bet it's I bet they're regular well anytime you're talking about a business your your MSRP is usually 3.5 times okay and then your discount is a lie yeah so you

make 200% like it's two times so 1776 theoretically would still be a 200% of what he's paying roughly so he's still making like 100% profit yeah yeah it's that I have nothing to back this up I can't actually speak to this ever actually sells anything by to anybody at retail insane crazy unbelievable but it's you're you're an idiot what I'm more getting at is the idea that like his his shit is consistently on these big sales everything is pretty much consistently 50% off 60% off

55% off to get to 1776 7676 the sales pitch isn't done and do remember that free shipping ended at the end of July you got to keep that in mind by a true selenium 29% off 1776 introducing super blue mouthwash designed by my dad one of the top form letters in the country big huge concentrated bottle with colloidal silver and more it's 11% off at 1776 out of the gates that's now available the John Oliver challenge chocolate or strawberry caveman with the true way

protein 30% off at the right now 50% water makes it all silver products colloidal silver the electric toothbrush with silver in it the toothpaste super blue all of it 50% off info war store dot com or triple eight two five three three one three nine triple eight two five three three one three nine and we have ended the specials that we had these are the new specials the 1776 specials hell yeah and and and I see on there it says free

shipping so here's the problem he's had meetings and then that's okay because we have few crew here that's okay because that's your game free shipping I guess they continue free shipping and I didn't know about it we'll see how long that goes I've got it in that so I'm going to say as part of the 1776 special that runs for the month the free shipping only is going to go for till next Monday okay so I wonder if it will continue beyond that we'll keep you posted the marketing

team had to have high fives for like a week straight the moment one of those assholes was like well maybe we maybe we charge 1776 for everything you're imagining there's a marketing that's a good point that's a good point Rob do and fucking Alex Jones yeah snorting super male vitality crystals and just spitball and ideas I bet Buckley threw a little bit of Buckley's got the good stuff but through some darts at the wall Buckley you holding pulls out a little sack pulls out a little baggy

of Superman got a hoof it I got a few vials it's supposed to be sublingual but I like to snort it like poppers put it under your tongue or injected in between your toes now Jordan yes we have to move on to August 4th yes like I said those were the two narratives and they're all kind of bullshit there's no real need to dive too deep into it because from my perspective I think general Kelly is largely just trying to do damage control and for now eventually you'll switch from damage

control to doing damage conceivably but at the same time whatever Alex's narrative is is nonsense of course and then the stuff with the Seth Rich it is just a real desperate attempt to try and cover up and really reinforce this idea that it wasn't Russia that's all that game is and they're doing it very disgracefully and which which it's not Russia like everybody knows that it was like the family the the private investigator all were like this is unrelated this is just a

murder oh yeah I met the Russia that the hacking stuff oh the hacking stuff Alex I thought he was talking about no okay Alex needs Seth Rich to be the leaker because if not it exposes that the the Russians did his complaints about it not being the Russians fall apart and the leader in the clubhouse as far as explanations go is what everyone else is saying and that it is Russian intelligence yeah beyond that the fact that Julian Assange has been playing into the idea that it was

Seth Rich who was his source Assange has gone full Russian propaganda and the fact if this is to fall like I said on our last episode then Julian Assange is incredibly vulnerable he's very exposed well he should be in jail anyway yeah absolutely yeah but I mean he's exposed in terms of like the geopolitical game he's playing it's very clear he's on the side of Russia oh it undeniable yeah like and there's a quarter of the true hero is Chelsea Manning and Julian Assange can

go fuck himself and he'd be nothing without her and Snowden yeah but be that as it may Snowden didn't go through no no but I mean it's sort of oh the triangle of leakers but that kind of thing no I mean the the greater sphere of the import of leakers stuff like that yes what Snowden did and the ensuing conversation led to a lot of pro Julian Assange sentiment right not necessarily that they had anything to do with each other right but just that or he better a liquor

yeah benefited from Snowden's actions absolutely and he's a monster but not snowden so as I know snowden not a monster Snowden hero Chelsea Manning hero Assange can go right straight to hell yeah so on our last episode Jordan last week you may remember that I made some claims or some assertions or some speculations about Alex Jones having a pro Russia stance that might be more important to him than his pro Trump stance yes and though I met with I you know

responded with a lot of skepticism that your arguments are hard to argue against well I am I'm the sort of guy who gets really nervous and anxious whenever I make a claim that might sound stupid and so for the better part of the day I was feeling like shit after we recorded I took a little bit of an edible that didn't help nope no that just made you more anxious really second guess everything I was like am I a fucking dumb dumb yeah am I an idiot and thankfully listening

to Friday's show I came upon something that made me think that maybe I was more right than I know then even you had suspected yes all right and that is what we're going to be discussing for the rest of the episode okay the first dive into this first hour of the show is boring as shit it doesn't deserve to be discussed at all I don't even think I took any notes on it I was just like he's just yelling about stuff right I think it's as I recall it's more just McMaster is trying

to isolate Trump they're going to kill him I think there's some of that got to do that yeah if you're a globalist you got to get him dead they're isolating him in order to prepare the public for an assassination that makes sense and then he's also like I could be that they're insulating him to protect him from an assassination but they're globalist so they're probably not well at least he's second guessing himself too but that's a positive that's a positive step forward bro he

wouldn't if he had actual sources well I'm sure Donald Trump Jr. kind of gave him a little tech smash it's going like McMaster won't let me see my dad which is a very smart move if true yeah yeah McMaster McMaster is a genius not troubling if true no oh yeah well I mean unfortunate for us because if Donald Trump Jr. saw his dad we would get more wackadoo bullshit from every angle yeah general Kelly's trying to dad block me so the second hour starts up dad second the second

hour of August 4 starts up and this is what I hear and I parked up ears ears raised hackles up heart rate starts flooding a little bit and I start to realize we've got an issue oh boy Alexander Duke an advisor doesn't let him or put him on Johnny is coming up oh no no not good no not good oh boy wait we're doing we're Dugan's coming on yeah to infowars yeah Dugan has the balls to go on infowars he does during amidst the chances are Russian collusion situation and Alex has the

balls to have him on wow now that's fucked up I want to say that Alexander Dugan is an associate of Putin's he is an advisor of his we'll get into the last time we talked about him we didn't really get into a lot of the details of why it's really problematic yeah that he is on infowars period or that Alex Jones is platforming him and allowing him to speak his bullshit over American airwaves and granted Alex Jones doesn't have the fear of sponsors or anything like that so he can do

whatever he wants and good on you it's free speech yeah I don't not saying he shouldn't be allowed to do this but him choosing to is very very seriously a problem so the last time he was on well Dugan got here because of the free shipping yeah the last time Dugan was on I swept it under the rug because there was that whole after Trump got elected Dugan came out and said that Alex Jones is the greatest example of an American he is a great human because of him we don't hate America anymore

all this bullshit yeah all this blowing smoke up his ass but he said he wasn't so Alex believed it right and so the idea that Alex had him on his show made sense that is just sort of like you suck my dick come on my show exactly I'll give you a platform the idea that he's coming on again is what led me to think especially fucking now wouldn't you want to stay as far away from that as possible if you're Alex Jones if your argument is there's no possibility of Russian collusion

yeah there's no situation there at all why would you have one of Putin's advisors come on your show it's it's incredibly weird I don't know I don't know because that because just the fact that he's there suggests that you're involved with the Russians totally yeah big time there's no other like what what did he get an email like hey somebody's got to set the record straight yeah I am just going to say it is not true and then we'll leave it there I look it's it's baffling to me

and over the course of the rest of this episode I hope to lay out how much of a problem this is oh boy and in order to do so I don't know if I should just get into do you get up top or if we should let him talk and then get into it what do you think what do you think the best structure we we got to let him we got to let him say his piece okay we got to let him say his piece man all right so here's the first clip and Alex wants to talk about why do the globalists hate Russia Geo

political dot are you you've got the floor my friend let's go through who the globalist are what their aims are why they hate the United States and Russia so much and and is there any way to stop them before they trigger World War three hi Alex I'm really happy to to be broadcasted in United States that is not as real accent it is that's it that's his Russian accent that's bullshit so I want to say one thing the reason that he's really excited to be broadcast in the United States over Alex

Jones's show is because on the 11th of March in 2015 the United States Department of the Treasury added Dugan as well as his organization which is called the Eurasian Youth Union to its list of Russian citizens were sanctioned as a result of their involvement in the Ukrainian crisis wait we'll get into more details about exactly what his involvement was a little bit later wait is he still yeah so he's still under that sanction yeah so they just broke the law no because he's not paying him

to be there it's the Department of the Treasury I don't think you can like say yeah I don't think there's a law that says you can't have him over Skype right that's true it's not illegal but it is a sort of thing not great no other like media organization would ever ever going to well I'm not entirely sure but they certainly wouldn't allow him whole cloth just to say whatever he wants right there would be an like an interview because I know that he's done some interviews with like the

BBC and stuff like that where they they're not on the Department of Treasuries they're not in the United States yeah exactly but beyond that they also push back against his ideas yeah I was watching one interview where he's talking about how Russia has its own unique truth because that's not good because every truth is really relative and subjective there is reality music there's no capital T truth so Russia has its own truth and then they started to get into all like war seems

inevitable between Russia and the United States great and the interviewers like well it does seem that way from watching Russian media but I was just in the United States and I don't think it seems that way and Dugan's like well to us to me it seems that way it's like well yeah that might be calm down yeah you might be worried about your position in this whole thing right because you've done some fucked up stuff or you might want to war because that would we're going to get into

that there we go great Jesus spoiler alert part of his big philosophy is the destruction of the world but we're going to do that in a little bit that's very similar to Bannon's philosophy exactly exactly the same thing as Bannon's philosophy in fact it is 100% the same thing as Jesus Christ there's a shocking amount of overlap Jesus Christ yeah so let's let him get into it after his kissing ass of Alex for ignoring sanctions and having him on the broadcast here we go your

station and your channel in your heroic struggle is the unique unique possibility unique momentum to say the truth that nobody wants to hear and first of all I think that globalist need enemy but not the right enemy because the right enemy of globalist are they themselves because they are going to destroy humanity to exchange the humankind by artificial intelligence by kind of cyborgs and they try to to destroy all kind of links of the humanity with its instance

and that is in the distance that is the very very negative absolutely negative satanic plan and they need in order to keep attention elsewhere they need some enemy and they have designated Russia as enemy number one so that is word for it. Dugan did his research. Yeah. Dugan absolutely did his research. He's a really smart guy. He went with Robot Chimeris he even went with satanic. He's going there dealing with the wrong enemy. They're using Russia who have kicked out the

globalists as a fucking fall guy. Now I will say that some of that does match up with his beliefs but some of it is also gilding on to add to impress Alex. Yeah. And you know what he doesn't talk about any of the other much more problematic aspects of his beliefs because he is tricking Alex. Yeah. He is incredibly smart. Alexander Dugan is a philosopher and a social scientist and Alex is being played like a fucking cheap violin. This is so easy. It's insane. It's like it's

like he had a team of writers and he's reading off of a script like this is pathetic and Alex falls for this. Is Alex falling for it or is Alex just well no of course any time Alex gets flattered. He is willing to listen to anything. I'm hard pressed to say that Alex is falling for it as much as he is on board a hundred percent and let's hear this next clip where Alex talks about how great Vladimir Putin is. The globalists are absolutely insanely hateful of Russia and I've done an

analysis of Putin. He's been reforming. He's been cutting back the corruption. He's been arresting the oligarchs. Wow empowering programs for the family. He's been promoting Christianity. He's been promoting sovereignty and he's been exposing through national shows not against technology but how technology is being used to enslave people by the technocrats and has been opposing the wicked plan of Davos that is anti American anti Russian anti human and quite frankly now we

see more of this from Trump but this isn't like something he got from Putin or he got from me. This is the truth of what we face. I wanted to stop it there because he's about to say something that's really horrible about women and I wanted to give us a chance to sort of decompress on that part of the clip before we get to the part that's just ugly. So his analysis of Putin is magical. It's magical nonsensical thinking. It sounds very similar to his 2015 analysis of

Putin. It also sounds very similar to Russian TV's exactly like propaganda outlets. Yeah. Yeah. No he's he's bringing back the family glorious leader. Absolutely. And you know the way he's bringing back the family is that he's weakening laws about domestic violence. Hey a little bit of tyranny is a good thing. Right. Alex's world a little bit of tyranny gets shit done. Yeah. Absolutely. You know it never leads to a lot of tyranny that especially with dictators you

know how they're always proceed with restraint. Totally. You know how they're always one of the whole listen. Let's not go too far. Yeah. What we're going to do. We're going to get in. We're going to get out. We're going to save the world. I think like the U. N. has that checklist of are you living in a dictatorship. What the first thing is are they reasonable. Yeah. Are they restrained in their actions. Well that's a dictator right there. At least that's how Alex would look

at it based on his treatment of Obama for sure. Yeah that's true. So yeah that is just lionizing Putin like and he's saying that he's done a ton of research that has led him to this conclusion. It's that's nonsense. That's absolute nonsense. He's he's getting on his show and being a Russian propagandist. Yeah. That's true. He's putting on the hat so he can hang out with Alexander Dugan. They are fun hats to wear though. It is worn a Russian hat. Yeah it's very very

comfortable. Pretty good. Nice little babushka. Sure it's great. There's those ear flaps perfect for a cold Austin evening. In August. It's not a good hat to wear during a drought. So here we go. Here's where he's going to get to some nice misogyny. Talk about Vladimir Putin himself and why the globalist hate him. They're also obsessed with him. It's leaked that I mean Hillary's obsessed with him basically in love with him in the WikiLeaks. He was just beside herself. Megan

Kelly behind the scenes began it was shuttering with sexual pleasure basically whenever I'm serious when she talked about Putin. I mean why are they so obsessed with Putin. What the fuck. Megan Kelly. He's interviewing like let's let's Megan Kelly. Let's be clear Alexander Dugan for all of his problems and being an awful person and a out and out Russian hack. Probably doesn't think that Megan Kelly wants to fuck Putin. He is still a substantial individual and the idea that

Alex is like hey why does why does Megan Kelly get wet when she's his food like that's disgraceful. Yeah. Even for an interview with this guy. I'm like I'm not comfortable with that. Listen you're talking to one of the true monsters in this world but hey come on dial it back. He's at least give him the respect that a true monster deserves. He's created like philosophies that have created a lot of damage in the world. He's written multiple books. Yeah. Like don't fucking come at

that. Don't don't do that. At least have a like it's clear that Alex has not read his books done no research. It's clear he doesn't know what he stands for because if he did he would know that Alexander Dugan is very big into the destruction of the United States and not a good guy to have on your patriot based. Yes. Oh man. One of the most explicit things he's argued for in the course of his career has been the destruction of the United States or at least the destruction of our

hegemony. Well yes. And what he refers to as liberalism which really is just the freedom. Yeah. You know individuality. People not being murdered. He's deeply against the idea of what individuality brings. Yeah. Because individuality takes you outside of the collective. It takes you outside of normality and it makes you accept things like homosexuality or transgender folk. He's right up in that like culture war shit that a lot of the conservatives are now. Yeah. And

it's it's deeply troubling to see the overlaps. Nobody is more ideologically aligned than hateful hard right bigots in Russia and hateful hard right bigots here. Yeah. And hateful hard right bigots in ISIS and hateful hard right bigots in France and hateful hard right bigots in fucking Britain like all of these people don't realize that they're on the same side. Nope. Like the only thing that's protecting us is all of these idiots thinking that they're fighting

against each other because if they actually united which like like Brexit like Cambridge Analytica like all of those things they really did push all of these people together on the national stage. Yeah. And that is a very bad thing. Like it's it's like it's like the fucking it's like the old Batman and Superman card the Justice League cartoons like they have a little thing that comes up out of a swamp like these people are insane. So I agree. But also if you'll recall

that last clip ended with a question. Why does Megan Kelly get so hard. Yeah. And I'll give Dugan a bit of credit. What's his response. He does not engage with that part of the question. Good good. But here's his answer and it gets spiritual. So I think the Putin he plays the role of of supporter. We in Russian Christian orthodoxy have idea of a Greek concept of supporter in Greek catechon that some figure symbolical figure an icon that's a defender.

Yes. Defender defender exactly in Greek that that means exactly supporter but defender that is right the right word. You fucking idiot. Defender is the last obstacle of coming of Antichrist that not the dog that doesn't let Antichrist regime to be installed on the planetary level and Putin is obstacle for globalization for fulfillment of the wicked plans of globalists and by the way I agree with you and they say their technocracy their one world government that Putin's

in the way now Trump pops up and the only truth to American Russian collusion is I sense the same spirit of humanity not wanting to be enslaved and it's really the spirit of Christ all over the world is rising up against this Antichrist spirit. The does Alex. Exactly. Does Alex not realize that he just agreed that Putin is the last defense against the Antichrist. Yep. I think he does know just agreed. I think he does know that because that's what he's been saying for years. He's the

last but he's the only defense against the fucking Antichrist in 2015 he was saying essentially that Vladimir Putin was the only person who is standing against the New World Order against the globalists on the world stage before he supported Donald Trump at all. Yeah but he believes that the globalists are transitional to bringing in a one world government led by the Antichrist. Right. So if Putin is standing against them on the global stage of course he agrees with that premise that

Putin is what's going to save us from hell on earth and the ascent of the evil one. I just thought that we were talking more about we were talking more metaphorically about you would globalist you would fucking Antichrist but when he goes directly into Christian Orthodox beliefs from from the Greek Orthodox belief that he that Putin is the defender against the Antichrist. I did not expect for Alex to be like I'm going to throw out all the Christian shit I pretend to believe and

say that Putin fucking Putin is the only one keeping the 7th seal from being opened. Yeah. Fucking unbelievable. We might be getting a glimpse into what Alex Jones's actual version of Christianity is because we because words mean things to us. We assume like fools. Right. We assume when he says that he's a Christian it means what we understand Christianity to be and it may not be the case. No. It may be that there are some similarities. I don't think it's necessarily just even Greek

Orthodox because I've known some Greek Orthodox people in my day. You know my dad's a religious studies professor and knew some Orthodox preachers when I was a kid. I don't think that necessarily they believe all this wacky nonsense but be that as it may you're seeing like this shocking agreement between the two of them and some of that is that Alexander Dugan is a very gifted manipulator and he knows what sort of things to say to make Alex Jones be like I'm on board

but then at the same time we've documented this over and over again with Leo Zagami Lord Moncton and now Alexander Dugan anybody with an accent Alex kind of just was like you're a genius. Yeah. I love what you're saying. Right. Unfortunately in this case I do think Alexander Dugan is incredibly smart and therefore far more dangerous. Very much. Do you want to hear a fun fact about Alexander Dugan. Sure Alexander is a new segment on our show. Yeah. Alexander Dugan believes

that the entire Internet should be banned and here's a quote. I think that the Internet as such as a phenomenon is worth prohibiting because it gives nobody anything good. Beyond that in June 2012 Dugan said in a lecture that chemistry and physics are demonic sciences and that all Orthodox Russians need to unite around the president of Russian Federation in the last battle between good and evil following the example of Iran and North Korea. He added quote if we want to liberate

ourselves from the West it is needed that we liberate ourselves from textbooks on physics and chemistry. Oh well that makes sense. Totally totally tracks. Yeah. But even in there if we want to liberate ourselves from the West Alex has a boner for the West. He's saying that we should follow in the example of Iran and North Korea. Yeah. Well but that I will give it to Alex that he has never ever ever in his life read that I don't ever it not even once it takes a Google search. Yeah

exactly which is why I can guarantee that Alex has never read it. It takes more than one step. So now I want to that's just as to Google search which means he has to remember what it is he's looking for which is his next guest which he cannot do. Yeah. Then he has to click on one of many results which is just too many steps for him. Yeah. So I want to I want to say that I referenced earlier that Alexander Dugan is under sanctions by the Department of the Treasury because of

his activities in the Ukraine crisis. I want to touch on that for a second because I feel like we should be specific and let people know what he's been up to. In 2005 Alexander Dugan founded an organization called the Eurasian Youth Union which is not good. No I love it. I love it when people add in you know Eurasian youth like Hitler youth like all these youth programs are really good. It's not a school programs are important. It's not great when you have a political organization

that has a youth component. No it's very good whenever get them young children do not understand politics and they should not be indoctrinated but be that as it may on March 31st 2014. I think most charter schools would disagree with you on the March 31st 2014 Oleg Bahirov a member of the Eurasia Youth Union of Russia founded by Alexander Dugan was arrested. He had trained a group of about 200 people to seize parliament and another government building according to the Secret

Service of Ukraine. He was basically training paramilitary groups to go cause trouble in Ukraine. It is unclear how many of the attacks and bombings that direct result of that. It's impossible to tell the people who have been disrupted were like this cell that had 200 people that were going to seize the Ukrainian Parliament. Yeah. So it is not low scale stuff. Bad plan. It's not great but you know any more than 200 to get rid of the parliament. I don't know though if it's

in a it's in a crisis situation. There's there's ongoing strife all around these 200 people are well armed trained. You could do youth. You could do some damage. And so I mean you see this is not a benign figure. No these are shock troops. He's training shock troops and I'm not saying that Alexander Dugan is sitting around personally training them right. He's created this organization and he's responsible for that. How the stormtroopers from Star Wars showed up.

Right. I mean aside from being clones like there was that on fucking believe that that did get reckoned. Okay. Yeah. Glad glad I'm on the right the right side of history on that one. I guess so if you thought that like that was just sort of a flippant aside here is Alexander Dugan reiterating that Putin is going to stop the anti Christ. But this battle is not political that has nothing to do with short or superficial interest national interest and so on.

The battle is much deeper than that and put in place here the role of defender defender of Christian civilization of tradition society. The defender of human nature because it Wow. The globalists try now to to replay this nature bar there. They wait for war against common sense. Yes. Yes. Exactly. And what is important. I have got information that Russian oligarchs that they have a kind of supported financially Hillary. So that that was completely opposite to the thing

them globalists pretend. So this is also the probably based on the uranium bullshit. Of course. I because beyond that or did Hillary is insane beyond that. You can't really find a whole lot of concrete examples of people being specific about what were the Russians supporting Hillary. Yeah. I didn't pull the clip of it but Alex on the episode where he's talking about the Seth Ritchett. He plays an interview with Julian Assange where Julian Assange saying I've studied

both of these candidates and from my end all I can tell is that Hillary had contact with the Russians and financial dealings with them. The uranium one deal which was not with the Russians. That was with a Canadian based company that had Russian ownership got bought out by the Russians. Yeah. Those weren't our uranium rights. She didn't make the decision. It was the skiffius organization that had nine people in it. She had no involvement in that at all. We've been over this a

whole bunch of times and then Julian Assange the his only other piece of evidence is a pedestrian being on the board of Jewel Unlimited which we've also talked about. Yeah. That is not evidence of anything. Wow. It's crazy. So Julian Assange is pitching the same fucking Clinton Russia uranium deal Podesta Jewel Unlimited Narratives propaganda. That means something. Yeah. That doesn't mean nothing and the fact that Alexander Dugan is being very nonspecific about how

he heard that the oligarchs were supporting Hillary got to kind of believe it's something like that and it's it's insane to me how he's good. He's good. He's good. It's not because because he's throwing in that you can't that idea of getting rid of physics and chemistry and getting rid of the Internet. He doesn't mean that what he means is getting rid of it for people. Yeah. And he and his cabal get to keep it. Like that's what he's doing and he can lie straight through his

fucking teeth. A dumb dumb. You're on the Internet now. Exactly. Yeah. Fucking unreal. You couldn't you couldn't get your propaganda to the United States without the Internet. Yeah. Couldn't fucking mail pamphlets over here effectively. Not in this day and age. No one reads. I mean well during World War Two Japan did put bombs on little umbrella type parachutes and they made it all the way to Oregon. What this is true. Really. Yeah. This is a piece of history. There are some

there are some there were some on American soil deaths because of these Japanese bombs. Hold on. Did they launch them from the ground like they just tossed them with an umbrella because that's crazy. Well what they did you know those paper candles you know those that they put out to see. Yeah I've seen that in like the beach. Yeah. The beach. It wasn't quite that but it's close. Okay. Do you want to know another fun fact about Alexander Dugan. Sure. In an interview that he did with

the Anna news agency Alexander Dugan describing the alleged atrocities that were perpetrated against the Ukrainians called for them to be killed in the 18th minute of the interview he said referring to the Ukrainians the following quote kill kill kill. There should be no more talks as a professor. I think so. He's not a good professor. No and he ended up getting fired for saying that. Usually usually advocating genocide should get you fired especially when you're like I'm a professor.

Yeah. This is the job you can fire me from. Yeah. One out of five professors agree. Yeah. Murder all people somehow that didn't tarnish his credibility or his position in Russia itself. It would only it would only raise this is wild but only raise his fucking because like look at look at the pieces that we have in place already we have he started a youth organization based on Eurasianism which we'll get into in a little bit and this as an offshoot when the situation in

Ukraine started in 2014 they were shock troops for it and went around caused trouble and then when interviewed he advocated for the state going in and killing Ukrainians which is a war crime. That's a big war. He advocates for war crimes. Well it's but so is Trump. Yeah. Well that's the fuck. We're all going to die. Yeah. We're all fucking dead. We're living on borrowed time. Yeah. That's what's going on. This is un fucking real. Holy shit. You tell why I was aside myself.

Yeah. This isn't great. I don't like how this is going. No. So I feel like this is bad for all of humanity. Yeah. Not just America but be that as it may at least Alex Jones and Alexander Dugan have now finished the portion of the show where they're going to talk about how great Putin is. Yeah. So at least that has happened. But I remember seeing reports five ten years ago that you were kind of a spiritual advisor to Trump. I mean not to Trump to Putin that that that that he

read your books. They were interesting. I just want to try to get an idea for somebody that actually knows Putin but also lives in Russia about the real mindset of Putin because people say oh he's this former KGB guy or whatever but we know he was there during the reforms kicking a lot of the globalist oligarchs out getting your sovereignty back the proofs in the pudding separately. I read that he was baptized as a child. His family was part of the large Russian movement that was

crypto Christian that you know kept the faith and continued on and you judge a tree by fruits today. He's been a huge supporter of bringing orthodoxy back to Russia and bringing the birthrate back up and proving he wants life fighting against all the abortions fighting against the destruction of the family. That's what Putin's doing killing all the babies like I mean how true is that that you're a high level advisor to Putin. I know you want to brag about it and

specifically a spiritual advisor and can you give us a view into the mindset of Vladimir Putin and his worldview. First of all Vladimir Putin has his own worldview that is not so much ideological. It is the kind he represents more or less what Russian people think. I hope not. But also I lied. They're not nearly done talking about how great Putin is. Wow. That's I mean that's crazy that that's he's he's just doing Putin's pretty great. And he I love what we should what we

should do is put together a long clip of all the times Alex makes a mistake and then mock him the same way he tries to do Pelosi. Oh he was an advisor to Trump. I mean Putin like either he's an idiot the same way he thinks she is which means he can shut the fuck up about that. Right. Or that's the most Freudian slip there could ever be. I think it's more the latter. Yeah right. Absolutely. He's a duke and you've advised Trump. I mean Putin you've done all of these great things for

Trump's campaign. I mean Putin you have absolutely done all these great things for Trump's campaign but let's not admit that. Let's never deal with that shit. But like and then even at the end Dugan is like Putin doesn't actually believe anything. He just wants money. Well I what happens after that clip ends is he goes on to talk about how Putin is indicative of the soul of the Russian people right and that he doesn't have like this rigid ideology as much as he is a

representation of the people and he's pragmatic and that sort of thing. So that's what he's trying to get at. But again that's just want to become a dictator. He is going about it in a very practical way. That's just Alex Jones allowing this dude to spit fucking straight up Putin propaganda on his show. Yeah. He's turned his show over to Russia for an hour. That's there's no other way to put it. It's fucked up. What guys. I just don't know what to say.

I don't know what to say. Like of all the things I could have imagined uncovering that Alex is pure Russian propaganda is not what I was expecting. Like if we if like all the stuff you know like I talk about or in our opening it's like I don't know anything about Alex Jones. Yeah. And when we very started at all I knew about Alex was he was a lunatic who shouted. Then as we've gone through this the whole time it's like oh he's a lunatic who shouted who turned into a

white nationalist. Yeah. He was a bigot. Yeah. But that's always been there. That's always been. Well yeah exactly. But I didn't know about him. So I didn't know that that's what we were dealing with. But now the other eventually getting to he's a Russian shill. And then on the way learning that he has this weird religious thing going on. Yeah. That doesn't make sense. Right. And then getting to the Russian shit. And I'll tell you this I listened to Alex Jones a bit in

my younger years. Yeah. I didn't fucking realize any of this either. No. So as much as I say I know everything about Alex Jones. Right. A lot of this is still eye opening. Now we have to do another investigation of when did Alex become a Putin shill. I think we already are. You think so. Yeah. I because I think we've already got like no because when we started the June in June of 2015. Uh-huh. He wasn't saying pro. He wasn't pro. That crept in over the summer of 2015. Yeah. It came

in trickling a little bit. And then where we are now in September end of September beginning of October 2015. He's going whole hog. Which if we recall the Justice Department or the intelligence community said that in the summer of 2015 the Russians really ramped up their information campaign against influence campaign media and stuff. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah. It's funnily coincides with when Trump started his campaign. Yeah. It starts to become a picture where I look

we're dumbasses in Chicago. We don't know anything. But it starts to look a lot like there's something going on here and I have to believe someone's investigating this. I don't know who but I have to believe that we aren't the only people who put two two and two together. Yeah. Like because it's it doesn't seem. And then you put together with our you put that together with the pivot with Trump. When did the Russians start supporting Trump is maybe the best question for when Alex

starts. Well I think that they supported him before he even started running for president in his. Well I mean well he is a front for their yeah money. And there are instances that have been pointed out of it appears for example very rich Russian people with weird connections buying some of his property for inflated prices never moving into the house and then selling it for less. Yeah. That sort of thing seems to happen a bit. And it appears that they bailed him out of being

in debt for a while. Yeah. Or being bankrupt. Beyond that there are indications going back at least to like the 90s possibly even earlier of him having pro Russian or at least pro Russian business interests. Yeah. We have we have read the he took out an op-ed right. Yeah. Which was very pro Russia. Well not that I mean that's not the one where he was talking about how the the Central Park five should be hung. No that was a very different different op-ed. Yeah. So I want to read you

another quote from Alexander Dugan in between these these clips. Here's a quote from 20 2007. There are no more opponents of Putin's course. And if they are they're mentally ill and need to be sent off for clinical examination. Putin is everywhere. Putin is everything. Putin is absolute and Putin is indispensable. Boy I do not like that language. I don't at all. That's really bad. Yeah. Like there's never been a situation in the entirety of history where that was a good

thing to say about anybody. No. That is what you say right before genocide happens. Yeah. Like that's word for word what you say before genocide happens. Yeah. Here's another every fucking time. Here's another quote from him. All is dead with modernity. So it should end. We are going to end it. Oh well that's fine. Okay. That's Unabomber. Well he hates the idea that the world is becoming modern. I mean the Unabomber had some good points. Yeah. Everybody knows this. Yeah. If you

are the boring guy at a party you know this. So I Jordan I told you that where that clip was gonna go was that Dugan was going to explain that Putin is pragmatic and what have you and as it turns out I do have the rest of that. So well I mean if he if he's the only single person on the in the planet who knows what's going on and if you disagree with him you should be killed or you should at least be taken in for examination. Yeah. Well that ain't right. Then pragmatic is

the only way to describe him because it's the only way you're allowed to describe him. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's where this clip starts and then it ends with Alex Jones and him coming to a conclusion that should be troubling to everybody. He doesn't feel like himself a kind of cosmopolitan cosmopolitan. He represent our culture our people and he doesn't stop this feelings this emotion and our and our country. He is not ideological and national. He is rather realist and pragmatic

in his in his politics. He is very pragmatical very rational I would say rational man but he is Russian and that defines his inner and deep and that is exactly the same way Trump is. So it's a return to common sense a return to cultural nationalist with a Christian white. Yes. Yes. So yeah I mean that that's fun because at the end there we get them making it abundantly clear that they are comparing the two men as being very similar. Yep. And whenever they do like I do like his

reveal he is rational but he's Russian. Yeah. So let's let's calm it down there guys. But I think what he's trying to say that I know that's fun. Don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to shit on your your joke there. But what he's trying to say is he's rational but at the same time his priority is the fact that he's Russian. Yeah. And for Trump the priority is that he's American. I don't need to get back to nationalism. I don't how nationalism always works. Yeah. It works. Christ works

great. They're trying to kill us. Yeah. Well no they're trying to kill a lot of people not necessarily you or I right. I mean we'll not yet. Not yet. Well we'll probably be you know collateral damage because I want to get killed by the Russians so bad. How awesome would that be. You may have your chance. I want to be perfectly here. I'll spell it out a little bit down the line as this episode goes on. But Alexander Dugan is angling for a war between the United States and Russia seems

like it. I don't know why Alex Jones would have him on his show because that is part of his worldview. I I don't know how else to put it like Alex Jones the Supreme American Patriot. He comes from Americana royalty bloodline Confederate. Well in his version it's Americana royalty. He's having a guy on the show who's expressed opinion is destruction of the United States destruction of the West. You're saying United States. This is how this is how Alex can get through. No he can't he

wants. He wants Texas. Alex just wants Texas. You know what go to war with everybody fuck that. Alex can't even play that game because Alexander Dugan is very specifically said that the enemy is the West. Oh that's true. So Alex Jones can't even use his branding or like semantic games with that. He said that the West and liberalism which doesn't mean liberals now in this case because OK I'll just give you an umbrella version of Alexander Dugan's big book. His biggest

book is called the fourth political ideology. It's actually Harry Potter and the fourth political ideology. I apologize. It's Harry Potter and the fourth political theory and the argument that he lays out in that book is that there is liberalism communism and fascism that have been the warring ideologies of the world and liberalism is one that's a very reductive way of putting it but fine but over the course of recent history you have those three that are coming up against each

other and liberalism destroyed fascism in World War two and liberalism destroyed communism with the breaking up of the Soviet Union. Double down and then since then liberalism is become bored. I guess and is fighting with itself and that's why you end up with these positions where like oh political correctness run amok. Well historically you could make the argument because within in his in his term it's too much freedom within his terms of liberalism generally it's eaten away by

fascism within. So that is that is a fairly good assessment of certain like for a reductive assessment it's not terrible right. So he proposes a fourth political theory. I bet it's good for all of us right. He takes elements of traditionalism. He takes not elements of some some elements I believe of liberal. I don't I don't look. I haven't read the book in its entirety. I don't know how to break it all down but from all the reviews I could get of it. I've read a number of reviews and most of

it seems like there is just a lot of proto fascism right within his worldview right and he denies being a fascist and in the sense generally fascists tend to their thrilled to do that. Yeah they love it. It's one of the biggest parts of being a fascist. Yeah it's like it's the I'm not a racist but of ideologies. Yeah I can't be a fascist. I wrote a book about how fascism is one of the problems. I said it was bad right Alex Jones. He says that fascism is bad. I've read you

know that even though he says a little bit of tyrannous is good fascism is bad. I've read three reviews of like his worldview that all express he's against fascism but is a fascist. Some of you described him as an occult fascist. Oh which goes back into I figure exactly there we go which goes back into that that idea that Putin is going to stand against the Antichrist figured it out. Can Rasputin be killed. No too big of a dick too big of a dick. Guess what happens. Alex loves

big dicks goes away for a while. Alex loves way Rasputin disappears for a while. Alex is an important piece of this. Fine. That's actually why he loves the BBC interview because right. See there's a double but anyway Rasputin Castle is Dugan. It's possible he's got a beard problem. So he is actually called Putin's Rasputin just because I want to open a restaurant named Putin's Rasputin. He's called that because of his sort of mystic elements that he has within his worldview

and then the fact that he has a beard. So well I mean you start talking about and he's Russian the only defender against the Antichrist you're going to get some you're going to get some occult bullshit going on. Yeah and that there's there's even more within his his larger philosophy which we'll get to in a moment but here let's get to another clip. Well what you got to do is get the spear of destiny before you can defeat the Antichrist. Everybody knows that. Come on. That's that's

ghost. What are you crazy ghost for you even bring that up. Look up the movie Constantine starring our greatest living actor Keanu Reeves. I'll be honest. I like the movie. I love it. I saw it in theaters. I haven't since you know I haven't seen it since 2005 but I liked it then. I might have been high as shit. It's not as terrible as you might imagine. You know it is though this next clip. Putin is could be considered to be Russian Trump as well as Trump could be considered American

Putin not because they are accused of authoritarian rule or something like that. They're individually very different but they reflect what our people want. They're not out to get their country. They have a sense of roots to the nation to the culture. They're not soulless globalists who notice have never had children are totally about destroying anything independent anything family because there's a while Trump and Putin you're saying are not satanic. Wow. Absolutely.

So now Jordan I know you had a strong reaction to that. Trump is American Putin and Putin is Russian Trump. That is not a good thing to have on your theoretically Patriot based Alex Jones show. No. This is pure. You do. Why is he doing this now. That's insane that he's doing it now because he doesn't think it's weird. He thinks that the globalists did all this shit in Ukraine not realizing that the guy he has on his show legitimately was training a paramilitary

organization that went into an attacked Ukraine. Yeah. He doesn't realize that it's very clear that Russia did that. He thinks that it's the globalist. So all of his sort of all of his premonitions all of his ideas are like all this Russia stuff is bullshit because he believes the stories that come to him from official Russian state media. That's a very different thing. That's a bigger leap though to like I'm I'm sure that the GOP who are all on that you know there's there's

no Russian collusion tip. They're different. They're different. Right. They're in trouble. Yeah. But Alex is if you are if you are dealing with them even those guys can't possibly be okay with you saying Trump is an American Putin that can't be that can't be a thing that's OK. Well even for them Alex hates the Republican establishment as much as he hates the Democrats so like he doesn't give a shit. They know they can disapprove of him too. Right. But even if that's what you're saying

even his listeners can't know because a lot of those people a lot of those people are still you know the line bullshit the line that the Russian story is nothing is very different from saying Trump is the American fascist journalist murdering country invading billionaire bloodsucker to use Alex's terms but here's where Russia here's the thing that you're missing. He's been prepping his audience for this for at least a year and a half. That's true. And not like

this is the big reveal or anything like this. I think this is him showing his cards way too much to someone like me who's listening critically. Yeah. But I think that he's been preparing his audience by talking about how the globalists are going to snatch your kids out of the backyard and want to drink their blood and all this stuff. The only one defending but but he hasn't talked too much about that for a while now. Yeah. All that stuff has been sublimated to Trump with

the same goal though the same goal being that this is like let's co-opt Alexander Dugan's language. You know the he is the guy who's standing between the anti-Christ and you Alex Jones has taken that sort of idea on and applied it to Trump and now the audience is ready for it there to be two people standing between them and the anti-Christ and it's incredibly fucked up. That's it's deeply profoundly fucked up and I think I think it comes entirely down to the fact that Alex

Jones has been fucking he's lost his mind and he just believes out now propaganda. He's been in a propaganda hole for so long yelling about the globalists believing nonsense stories again it's because he has brain damage from these things that we've been uncovered from his own stories. Most likely he doesn't understand where truth and reality mixes into fantasy and lies and he's been lied to and he believes that lie narrative because he has too many people

around him who are aggressive. Look it comes down to I think also the fact that we talk about who the fuck is going on in this show. Who the fuck is actually going to spend time talking to this dickhole. He's a racist fuck you know all this stuff it's been demonstrated over and over again how much of a white identity bias he has. Yeah. So who is going on to this discredited alienated show that maybe has a million listeners maybe that's entirely possible but you want a million

bigots on your side. The people who are going on to that are well. That's a that's a good question. I don't. Yeah but the GOP does. I'm so low. They've got way more than a million bigots on there. I'm certainly happy with the about let's say you know way less than that policy walks that we have. I'm thrilled with it. Yeah. But be that as it may. Why is it that a silly comedy podcast about Alex Jones discovers a crazy Russian plot. And let's be clear. Let's be clear. Matters talking about this

shit. Let's be clear. We have not necessarily uncovered it. But we've we've seen very strong indications that Alex Jones is not not that he's a Russian agent again. I'm not Russian agent. He's a shell. He's on board with this stuff and is beholden to because he does not understand the difference between truth and reality and is propagating it. Yeah. He's spreading this. Yeah. And here's the thing. I get which I don't know if you know this or not. But during the run up to

1939 or 1937 there were a lot of op-eds in American newspapers supporting Hitler. Yeah. And a bunch of stuff like Hitler will calm down once the elections over. Of course. Yeah. The whole the whole thing. There are a lot of people normalizing and being like this will blow over. But be that as it may. I want to say this about media matters. I don't think that they're necessarily dumb or evil or anything like that. But they are an organization that relies on clicks. Yeah. And traffic

and attention. And we aren't because we are just doing this. We don't expect to make a living off this. It would be great. We would love it. We don't expect to do that. We're dumb asses. You're a comedian. I quit doing comedy. But like once a comedian always a comedian. It's in my bones. It's in your blood. But we're we're doing this because the reason you quit is because I drink your adrenochrome. Yeah. That's what happened. I have no more adrenaline in my blood. We

we're doing this because we've stumbled into something and we believe in it and I've bullied you into it because when I said we I mean I stumbled into this. And I'm just I'm just hanging out with you. I'm just here to make your make your beliefs palatable. I need someone to bounce it off. Yeah. But back to media matters. They are they are really into getting attention. So whenever this this came out this interview is on the fourth on the third Milo Unopolis was on and they gay bashed Glenn

Beck which we talked about last year. Yeah. And that they made an article about and that went viral. People were complaining about Milo and him talking about Glenn Beck's gay sweaters and stuff like that. This is so much more important. Yeah. Now I don't know. I don't go to media matters all the time. So I don't know what all their articles are. But in the past I have gone and looked at like what are they covering. Yeah. And I know that in the past they have covered not stories like

this necessarily but more substantial stories about Glenn Beck about Alex Jones and the you look at the shares on it. Not as high. So low. So it's just that most people don't care. It's hard to engage with these ideas. Yeah. And but this that's because well I would say that before before this for me there was a lot more complication to it. It was a lot more nuanced. Right. What do you mean. So so we're talking about Alex Jones is pro Russia situation in 2015. Right. If you are really

trying to parse that there are a lot of different elements that could come in. You know just like you and I have talked about you know I've I've consistently been skeptical of your of your kind of Gestalt theory on all of this. But let me be clear. So have I. Yeah. Well no I'm not skeptical of my own. I'm not I'm not judging you. Right. I'm not judging you. No that's just that's more for me than for you because I want people to realize like I'm not lying when I say I didn't come

into this with an agenda. No other than laughing at Alex Jones is dumbass. So but you were saying so. So before I would say that it is much easier to be skeptical because there are so many different parts coming into play. If he's just saying you know Putin's a strong man you can say well he's he's just an idiot who likes big dick. Sure. As you might imagine. Yeah. This is kind of unequivocal that he supports. He supports Russian Russian what expansion Russian. What like

what is the end goal. We'll get to that in a second. God damn it. So but let's be clear for about a year and a half. Alex Jones has been screaming about how Donald Trump is our only hope and blah blah blah. Yeah. And then on this the August 4 2017 episode he allows an associate of Putin who is a propagandist to come on to his show and say that Trump is the American Putin and Putin is the Russian Trump and Alex Jones agrees and then he doubles down on it. Yeah. So that means

that everything that he believes about Trump and has been saying in the past in some fashion he believes about Putin. Trump is the American Putin. Yeah. That's genuinely what Alex believes. So now I want to bring this. Yeah. I'm sorry. Do you actually have a thought because I want to I want to know I was I have a question. OK. Does Dugan ever kind of drop what it is he's going for is or is he just is he just going on here to kind of spread pro Putin propaganda.

He wants to talk about his book a little bit but then also there. Oh that's the other thing. Milo Unopolis was on because Alex Jones is selling his book on Info Wars. Great. So be it. So that's a part of Simon Schuster is gone. No they they dropped it. Yeah. No that's what I'm saying. Simon Schuster is gone. So Milo went to the only outlet that would still sell his book. Well that was secondary. He went to the the fucking Mercers. Oh that's true. And he plays this whole

game in the interview where it's like you know what I just had to rely on the support of the people. Yeah. Fuck you. Right now. We have a Easter sale on my book. It's 55 percent off. It's 1776. Yeah. You can get it at info wars dot com. But back to your question about Dugan. No most of it is he wants to talk about his book a little bit. He brings up his idea about the fourth political theory. It's boring. Alex can't engage with it. Of course. But the rest of it is all just pro Putin

stuff. Wow. And anti globalist stuff which is because of the nature of the you can doesn't believe in globalists. I think he actually does. You think he does base for real based on what I can tell from his writing. Yes. But I also think that it's a convenient excuse for his Eurasianism theory which we'll get to in a minute. But before we do I have a game show. Thank God. Thank God Dan. We have a second. The destruction of the Republic does need to be interrupted by this is the

first segment that has ever happened. I have prepared a segment. So at the end of that clip Alex Jones. I know it's like 15 minutes in the past now but at the end of that clip Alex Jones said that the globalists are satanic and you know this because they don't have any children. Sure. Now I have pulled up a list of some of his big globalists. Okay. And I'd like you to try and guess how many children they have. Okay. Bill Gates. How many children does Bill and

Melinda Gates have. I believe he has three children. You are correct. Three children. Excellent. One point for me. One point Jordan with one point not zero. Gotcha. Barack Obama Brock has two children. Two children. Lovely children. Two points for me. The Clintons. Clintons have one child. That's correct. Hey Zabignu Brazinski. Oh that one's going to be tougher. It's going to be tougher. Champion globalists Zabignu Brazinski. You know what I'm actually going to go

one up. I'm going to say four is three. Damn it. As a Mika is a son who was an ambassador to Sweden I believe in a foreign policy child. So they all of them sort of followed in the family business. The child was born of foreign policy. Yes. A foreign policy child. Jacob Rothschild. Jacob Rothschild too. The Baron of Rothschild. The fourth Baron is four children. Oh shit. Four children. That's more than Alex. No I think it's equivalent. No I think I think Alex that's

a tie. Yeah. David Rockefeller who just recently died. Rockefeller I'm going to go with 14. He has six. Oh I knew it was going to be big. I didn't know how big. Six children. Okay. That's not zero Alex. That's too many children. All of these globalists have tons of children. I mean I guess if you're a billionaire six is fine. George Soros three is five five kids five kids Soros you gotta stop fucking all these people. He's like you've noticed these globalists never have

kids all the other kids and some of them crazy numbers. Yeah Jesus. George Soros has five kids. David Rockefeller had six kids. That's those are big numbers. Yeah. That's little house on the prairie type. Yeah that's you. You have a fucking global operation and banking to concern yourself with not a farm. What are you doing. Soros does have a TV show called five is enough. I remember that one. So that's the end of the game show but Soros is enough. Alex Jones is

fucking stupid. He's just it's another example of him just making claims out of nowhere and bullshit that the audience will just be like oh yeah of course they don't have any children. They don't care about the future. All of them have fucking children. Yeah of course and if Alex wants to play this game we're like well the Clintons that wasn't actually Bill's kid. I will say I don't care about your bullshit narrative. It's still Hillary's kid. Yeah. So I don't give a

shit. Why don't you go fuck yourself. Hey so you know who is the father of Megan Kelly's kid. Probably Putin. It's definitely Putin got her all right. Does Kelly have a Putin does Kelly have a child. I didn't look into that. I don't think that she's an I don't think she has she's also not an arch globalist. She became a globalist though once she left Fox News. Right. But she's Nouveau globalist. She's not like the old school globalists like these people on this list.

Right. I mean you could make an argument that Barack Obama and the Clintons are just tools of the globalist. But the rest of them like Zabignu Brzezinski Alex Jones. He's talks about how he is the one of the people who set the agenda. George Soros runs the whole fucking thing. Of course David Rockefeller was the heart and soul of globalism and the Rothschild's family is what's all behind it. It's fucking nonsense. Wow. So stupid. This should just be a small

indication that everything he said is it says is made up. Yeah. He just comes up with stuff and knows no one's going to look into it. Well and that wasn't even something that he planned on making up like that was just a throw off. Yeah but it was a throw off reinforcing his idea that there's no globalist Satanists who don't give a shit about anything. No exactly. He's just riffing on that one like that one was just him throwing out a bunch of shit and then he's like

and they probably don't have kids who fucking cares. I don't know. I've never heard. I'm not. Yeah. I'm not paying attention. I've never spent hours on air complaining about George Soros's son which he literally has. I've never talked about Chelsea Clinton over and over and over and Soros is in college. I never spent a bunch of segments complaining about how Barack Obama's kids behave. Yeah. No of course not. He was in that shit man when they were talking about like

Malia dancing at Lollapalooza. God I he was on board with that. I hate all of these people so much. I hate all of them so fucking much. They're terrible. Let's get fucking believable. Let's get back to this though because look we look the problem is that we're not normal. That's true. We're weird. Regardless of your ideology. That is true. You were weird and Alexander and Alex want to talk about a couple people who are normal. But their goal is against

normality and people and Trump they are normal. They represent not ideological special ideological circles or special world vision. They represent the people and that's very important. They could be called populist. So hey Putin and Trump are normal. Yeah. There is normal people. Oh yeah. All these other people all Paul show all these other people are just aberrations to the normality Obama freak. Yeah. Total totally. Yeah. Him having the most average amount of children.

You know and that's all that's about all I know about him being normal. He's not normal. All of all world leaders are not normal. You would want to be a world leader. You're an insane person. You would expect that there's some overlap between at least like a powerful personality a powerful ideology that you have backing your principles. That's not normal. So I want to I want to take now this guy Alexander Dugan is saying fucking guy. He's saying that the two of them

are normal. And so now I think it's a good time as I need to talk about what is normal to him. Here we go. So I I've looked into this a little bit. Got a new game show. I have when you give me three options and I have to pick out which one is normal to him. No I'm just going to read some paragraphs from this article by a guy named Paul Ratner. It's written up on big think.com. There's a bunch of sources. I've looked into them. They check out. So I trust this in terms of I've read some

Russian sources on this to as Google translate stuff. I've gone and checked everything that he's saying matches up. But he writes it up very well. So I'm just going to read his article. Dugan contrasts. Okay. So I need to give a little bit of setup. One of the things he talks about a lot Alexander Dugan that is is the idea that for the last couple decades we've had a unipolar world where the United States is the only massive power in the world. Right. And what Dugan would

like to see is a multipolar world which makes some sense on a on some level. I don't disagree I suppose. I don't think that the United States needs to be the only supreme power in the world. I think that's egotistical. I think that's little tunnel vision. I think I would probably argue that there should be a an apolar world as opposed to a unipolar tripolar or whatever it is. I like the sound of that. I like the idea of an apolar world if that is possible. I'm not

entirely sure. Yeah. But be that as it may for us to become a type one civilization. It requires that. Well we're never going to get there. But be that as it may. Dugan likes to talk about a multipolar world where in Russia becomes a superpower that is able to check the United States superpower. That's why he's really big into what's going on in Syria because it is a situation where it's a proxy war. Well it's a situation where Assad was this guy and the United States came in like got to get

him out of here and they're a superpower and of course whatever they say goes but no Russia comes in and is like hold on you don't get to just say that. So the way Alexander Dugan would present that is I'm basing this on an interview we did with the BBC. Right. The way he would present that is because we have nukes and because we aren't to be trifled with we can step in and say no you aren't the big supreme leader in the world and it's not because we like Assad it's just on principle.

Like a. So here's a quote from the article. Dugan contrasts his theory of a multipolar world with what he and conspiracy theorists worldwide see as the movement towards creating a quote global world government led by disingenuous globalist elites who are out to deprive people of a sense of identity and to subjugate them into their corporate needs. In this world of a number of regional superpowers what role would Russia play. Dugan sees Russia to be the leading nation in the

Eurasian Union who would have guessed and is founded the international Eurasia movement to make that happen. What is Eurasia. Basically it's the territory of the former Soviet Union. Wow boy does he get really that's that's very subtle thing right there. Dugan Dugan thinks the Soviet Union just took over the boundaries of a historical union of people and ethnicities that were there for the Russian Empire. As Russia is a country of a unique culture and destiny it is its mission

to create a center of power that has elements of both Europe and Asia the two continents straddled by the expansive country. So part of his philosophy is this thing called Eurasianism and that is the idea that you're going to create the Eurasian Union. Alex Jones is really against those sorts of things. I mean he even pointed out multipolar is a global list organization. Like he's he used that sentence. Yeah that's dude. Does he buy his own bullshit. Alex. No this Alexander

Dugan fuck. I would say possibly possibly buy that dumb. That's dumb. That's not it's not that that's evil or or some kind of like it's just dumb. It's not lunacy. It's idioc. It's idiocy. Like how can you possibly believe. No it's not. It is. It's a fine. It's a fine layer of varnish over expansionism. Yeah. It is good. But that's what I'm saying about buying his own bullshit. No it's good. He knows exactly what he means but it's good PR to put it in this sort of

language in the same way. Right. But what he's saying is we want the Soviet Union back. Yes. Now what kind of what kind of bullshit moron would think that they would stop at the fucking Soviet Union back. That's that's un fucking believable. Right. There's no way that look say they get the Soviet Union back. I think we're good. Guess what happens. We're good. You know what else was part of the Soviet Union world. Do you remember that Poland used to like it's just

made up bullshit. Oh yeah. To try and take over as much as they fucking can. Oh yeah. Pretty much all of Europe would be absorbed by that. Possibly buy this nonsense. No but he doesn't buy it. Yeah. That's his public face. How I do not understand words. Words need to mean things. You're having such a difficult having a fucking stroke is having a difficult time is you're trying to accept face value from propagandists. I'm not. I'm just trying to say that I just I

just find it so I find it so fascinating that these people are such sociopaths. They're such psychopaths that they can lie like this. They can twist reality into something that is a mirror version of this world and they can pull it off like he's brilliant on this show and this is all it's not hard with Alex. Well yeah that's the world's greatest straight man there. That's very fair. That's very fair. He's well he's no Phil Hartman but he's he's like one of the

Smothers Brothers. I'm not sure which one he's not even Dave Foley. Come on. No I like the thing about like do you watch do you watch true crime at all. I've seen I've seen some stuff do you see these you see these monsters and you think how can a human being think like that. Well how can a human being do something like that. But these guys on a grand scale are pure insanity. Well I know that I've watched a lot of like cops and those sorts of shows and you know everyone whenever you're

caught red handed you always sort of come up with an excuse yeah and those are dumb people exactly Alexander Dukens are really smart person who knows he will be caught red handed eventually and it's created an entire worldview based around preemptively not having to make that excuse at the last second exactly. Well that's what he's doing but that's the difference between a human being and a psychopath like if you're if you're on car genius if you're on it's genius you

fight. Well I don't know if I would be in a normal person and a normal bad person and a psychopath is to some extent a layer of intelligence. Well I mean I yeah you're not wrong you're not wrong. I have another paragraph to read you. I mean a serial killer usually gets away with plenty so you have to be pretty smart to get away with that many murders. Yeah so Alex Jones likes to talk about America being the new Atlantis. We can recall a number of times in our

investigations and episodes where he's talked about that. Yeah that one's fun. He's that one he's not saying that Russia is great. He's also talked a lot about Atlantis in terms that don't match up with Plato and he cites Plato on that and here's a quote that has to do with Atlantis about Dugan from Alex or from this is from that article from Big Think about Dugan's philosophies. Dugan digs even deeper into his very controversial historical analysis claiming Eurasia's

current opponent is not just the United States but Atlantis is an axis of cooperation between Europe US and Canada that crosses the Atlantic Ocean. These maritime liberal nations value individuality and market forces. Eurasia on the other hand represents the conservative philosophy of landlocked Continentalism which according to Eurasians has among its values a hierarchical structure law and order traditionalism and religion. Thus we have

Atlantis versus Eurasia. In fact Dugan claims all history can be viewed as a battle between maritime and land based nations. That is very true. He's written a bunch of stuff about that how a lot of wars can just be traced back to water versus land people. It's wild. I mean the water benders and the earth benders have never really gotten along. Keep trying to get me to watch this. You're going to watch Avatar. That's what's going to happen. He's the last airbender there

are freewheeling people. I base a lot of my philosophy on Aang. This is very important to me. No I have no idea. Yeah that's crazy. Water people versus land people. It was was was was fucking Genghis Khan fighting against a lot of navies like fuck you. You that's that's insane. It's pretty dumb. Dan you've made me very angry today. Yeah here's I am trying. I'm trying to speak in complete sentences and I'm not doing a good job a little bit earlier. I made the claim that he wants

to end the world and here is here's a quote from his book that fourth political theory the end times and the eschatological meaning of politics will not realize themselves on their own. We will wait for the end in vain. The end will never come if we wait for it and it will never come if we do not it is the fourth political the end times won't come unless we do it so that it's easy. If the fourth political practice is not able to realize the end of times then it would be invalid

the end of days should come but it will not come by itself. That's not good but hey whatever that's that's whatever that's like a patent Oswald bet about George W. Bush wanting to become the last president. Yeah but this isn't a joke. This is a no it's not this is a real guy. This is a Russian philosopher who has the ear of Putin who's on Alex Jones's show who now has the ear of Alex Jones's listeners. Yeah who have been primed for at least a year to be sympathetic to his

views because the globalists and the globalist controlled media are just lying about all this shit bringing about the end times exactly what the Antichrist wants to do and what the Bannon kind of wants to do in terms of his cyclical view of their their New World Order is oh God these people are so fucking crazy. Well I mean I don't think that we've ever taken it out to a macro scale because we talk about all the all the time we bring up how Alex Jones accuses people of

doing what he's going to do. Yeah so if we take it to the nth degree right him talking about the New World Order and all that stuff maybe that is maybe that's their goal because clearly that's Dugan's goal. Dugan wants the New World Order and he's peddling this bullshit. Yeah he's peddling this bullshit philosophy of destroying the world when in reality what he's talking about is creating that very New World Order that he is claiming to fight against. But he wants to

do it through like a massive war. Yeah he wants to do it through massive death filled. I mean fucking Orwell nailed that. Yeah so here is the last bit. Eternal war is a very simple way to take over. Here's the last bit I'm going to read and this has to do with the idea that it is kind of confusing to think beyond trying to hurt Hillary Clinton why the Russians would meddle in the election and what exactly their goal is and in this article this gentleman lays out this Paul

Ratner lays out how Dugan's influence probably has some role to play in the actual campaign. To see what Dugan might advocate specifically we can look at his bestselling book The Foundation of Geopolitics from 1997 which had particular success among Russian military and according to foreign policy and Dugan's own words is assigned as a textbook at Russian military university. That's not good. The book outlines a vision for Russia in the 21st century that would

lead to Eurasia's formation. Is that Eurasian Union that he wants. That's not good. But also it means is the reunion of the Soviet Union but also includes specific strategies for defeating or neutralizing the United States. These include destabilizing and disinformation campaigns using Russian special forces and asymmetrical warfare splitting alliances between US and countries like Germany and France as well as fermenting division within the country itself specifically singling out

race relations on page 367 of the first edition of the book Dugan explains quote it is essentially important to introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity encouraging encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic social and racial conflicts actively supporting all dissident movements extremist racist and sectarian groups thus destabilizing internal political processes in the United States. It would also make sense simultaneously to

support isolationist tendencies in American politics got to give it to them. They're good. They did it. Yeah. They did it. Yeah. Give it to them. Yeah. Like they did a great job and Alex is fucking helping. So even though like even if it's not out now collusion these people are working for the Russians. Yeah. Like Trump Trump running on a purely racist campaign and isolationist works perfectly for the Russians. Yep. And that's from 1997. He had these ideas. I don't think it's possible

for us to figure out exactly when Alex became beholden to Russian propaganda. I know I said that it's the summer of 2015 but it's entirely possible. He had influences. Yeah. Beyond that or it's just possible that when Russian act like they became much more active in terms of their their behaviors they realized oh these goals that Alexander Dugan clearly set out in this book that is now a textbook for Russian military operations at the universities. Alex is already on board.

He is really into creating right racial strife. Yeah. He's really into all this stuff. Yeah. Like legitimately reading that my heart flutter because I'm just like this is so clear exactly what Alex is doing and it's exactly what happened. Yeah. Man that's fucking nuts. Yeah. Yeah. What are we going to do Dan. We're going to die. I know I know I've been talking about that but God damn it. It's hard not to believe that this is going to go. It's not going to go well. It's going to go real

fucked up real soon. It's going to get worse before it gets better. That's definitely a man. I love your optimism. So I mean look look look at all the details in there. Look at look at this stuff about like in 1997 Alexander Dugan is laying out a campaign for the creation of Eurasia that involves strategic splitting of strong alliances like with Germany like with France. They were seeing we're seeing that happen in front of our eyes. Yep. We saw an attempt for that to happen

with Le Pen in her candidacy a successful situation with Brexit. Absolutely. I mean UK isn't mentioned specifically in there but of course why not. Yeah. That was part of the Atlantean alliance or whatever. Yeah. The water people and now Germany's elections coming up and we're going to see that get even beyond that Trump has insulted Germany and been very degrading about their willingness to accept refugees and stuff like that. The EU has proven pretty strong in fighting against it

like the fact that they defeated the fact that they defeated Le Pen the fact that most of the EU is really you didn't defeat Le Pen. No I'm not saying that I'm saying I just want to be the French people. I want to be clear about that. Last people think that we're saying the globalists or something like that. Yeah. Fair. You have to think about how these things sound. Right. Fair. Fair. But they so far it seems that a lot of things have proved fairly resilient in this regard. Sure.

I think into international sort of institutions see much stronger than our own. Yeah. Let's say internally I think we have much more to worry about in terms of our norms and our values eroding. Well it turns out not enough stuff was written down. Turns out it's like the assumption on so many of these things before they were written down is just people will like America. Yeah. And it turns out there we were the founding that they were way off. Yeah. So I the Constitutional Congress

should have planned for America hating itself. Yeah. I want to I want to go back to this part of the quote to the direct quote from Dugan about encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic social and racial conflicts actively supporting all dissident movements extremist racist and sectarian groups thus destabilizing internal political processes in the United States. Yeah. I want to go back to that because I think it's really important for us to look at in the wake

of the election. There was a guy I can't remember his name who was in trying to lead a secessionist movement in California. Yes. You Alex it. Alex it. Yeah. He was working on that and then he moved to Russia. No. Yeah. That's not true. And then gave up on the collection. That is not true. It is. Tell me that's not true. It is 100 percent. Could you tell me one more time. That's not true. I wish I could. I just need to hear it one more time from you wish I could tell you

it once how not true that was absolutely true. So with the collects it thing. Yeah. That guy moving to Russia. Yeah. Collects it. Actually necessarily. It doesn't mean anything but it's weird. It's weird. It's coincidental weird to an insane degree. Yeah. But that was a massive failure. Yeah. If you are talking about some sort of Russian propaganda campaign to try and fund that that had no fertile soil so to speak. No but you know what but if you're a smart fisherman

you cast a wide net. Yeah of course you're going to you're going to not catch a ton of fish but you're going to catch the rest of them. Exactly. And that's I think what if we're if we're talking about that in terms of maybe that's an actualized plan that they pulled off. Yeah. Then what they've discovered is that our racists are bigots are religious fuckers. All of those people are far more easy to hoodwink than our sectarians if you will. So who are our sectarians

like the collect Alex Jones. No no no no no the the collects it because I would consider Alex Jones bordering on sectarian disagree. OK Alex Jones has Alex Jones does not have a religion so much as he is religious. He has a anti globalist religion. Yeah that's true. But he has more of a nonsense theology as opposed to an ideology or a traditional religion if you will. Fair enough. If you're at fourteenth dimensional beings you're not really a Christian. You're so unfair

wealth. Yeah. You're right. That was my fault. That was my fault. I kind of agree but at the same time I want to be clear that like this is a book that he wrote that became widely adopted and became a textbook for Russian military universities. I can't believe that advocates for paying and supporting disruptive entities within our internal body politics. Right. So if you wish you would if you go back to Le Pen and those she was very pro Russia. You know why Alex

Jones sells shirts for four bucks four ninety or five or whatever. It's a lost leader. So sometimes you know you're Russia and you support some movement that doesn't end up working out. Yeah. You got to you got to you got to spread it out and then eventually something will sprout. I think that there's something along those lines. It does it does seem like that. It does seem like they've thrown whatever it is they can at the wall and with our racists it's stuck. Yeah. I have some

good news though. What's your good news. Well is Rapaport dead. No. My good news is that we like to think of you know Trump Putin. This guy is with a lot of money. Yeah. They're really rich and we like to think that they're sort of snobby and you know we sort of think of them as elitists. Well I think of them as connected to the common man. Well you and Alexander Dugan and Alex Jones have something in common. There we go. I knew that we would have some leaders trying to change the

programming of humanity. God's system and play God. They are living in it and are part of it. And so that's why this artificial synthetic world government transhumanist movement has openly declared war on men and women. They're teaching in America in schools don't have men and women. It's hurtful to others. They are an open warfare saying humanity is ugly. So I want to do again. Dugan. Quick question. Do you guys have purple penguins. That's exactly why I kept the clip. Yeah.

Because it's like it's degrading. It's degrading for you to be speaking to someone of an arch propagandists. Right. Now I feel a little bit murky giving him like any sort of respect at all. But at the same time he's way smarter than Alex. And it that that is an example of the way Alex does these things in interviews where he says these lie narratives and when the other person doesn't push back against it he knows we're in good. Yeah. And we can just let it fly. I see. I see this as like

LeBron James playing against a college ball player like this is totally these guys are not in the same in the same stratosphere. Totally. Totally. So we got just a couple more clips to get through. This next one is paranoid. It's just pretty paranoid. Yeah. And also get your take on. What is it like to watch what they're doing to Trump because you're putting rightfully said there is a war against Trump by the deep state. It is going into high gear. They are publicly on TV saying

they're getting ready to killing which is meaning they're normalizing it so there's not riots. If they do kill Trump I mean the sky is the limit. Clearly they're planning a war with Russia. It is just beyond psychotic. Alex your guest for 20 years has been angling for a war with us. Yeah. Why are you talking about the deep state trying to create a war with Russia. You have a Russian on your show who has the ear of Putin or at least has for years. I don't know what the current

situation is but he's been trying to go off the golf on the weekend. He's been trying to start a war with us. It's not great. It's not great. It's crazy. I do like how he's saying that they're trying to normalize it for when they actually do assassinate when they jump. Yeah which is which is like dude you're trying to normalize when Putin reunites the Soviet Union like what are you doing here. And further Alex is trying to normalize also the idea that if they do and by the way I'm

putting they in quotes right if Trump does get impeached or assassinated then we jump. He's normalizing the idea that it's all out civil war at that point. Well he's he's normalizing the idea that we are currently in a civil war right but a hot civil war that will come once right our savior our Putin is taken down. I'm looking forward to Putin telling Trump to tear down the Mexican border wall. Oh that'd be great. That'd be fun. That'd be an ironic twist. If you're if you're right in the

history book that is where you do it. That'd be terrifying. I as a civilian that would be terrifying. All all of this is terrifying. Yeah it is. Being able to legitimately take some nice high ground would be not pleasant. No not good. It's weird. It's weird to listen to this episode in specific because you know like a lot of the terror that we deal with I can I can go home and I can kind of unwind and just process it. Yeah. This is legitimately terrifying to the point where it's deeply

troubling. Yeah. I don't I won't feel comfortable for days because of this. Yeah. Dan you've ruined my vacation. No you'll be fine. You'll be fine to see those fjords and be happy as shit. Yeah. Fjords are Norway. Whatever who cares. It's all globalist speaking like a globalist. So we have one more clip left and this one is just a little bit of it's it's interesting because we're done with Dugan now. Yeah. But so a couple days ago a couple days ago back on the third Mike

Cernovich came out. He released a video where he said that he is pivoting away from Trump. No longer on the Trump team. I'm going to just read a quote. So I'm glad I've been doing more guerrilla mindset stuff. The journalism stuff. I pivoted from a pro quote unquote journalism stuff. I pivoted from a pro Trump guy to a more journalistic guy and I'm going to keep making that pivot. So whenever people think of me as like a pro Trump guy I don't want people to think of me as a pro

Trump guy anymore. I want people to think of me as a mindset guy a journalist a commentator a social media personality a filmmaker an author but I got to I have to pivot so far away from anything pro Trump. I just got to keep going that way. So I've been pivoting. I've been pivoting a lot a little bit lately which I told you right. I've been pivoting and now the pivot is going to be even bigger because what do you get from being a pro Trump guy right. You shill for

Trump all day. So that's what he said and he just he got in a fight with Alex. That's what he said on the third. Yeah. As you recall. Don't tell me he's on the show as you recall. Don't tell me he's on the show. As you recall before this he was hosting the fourth hour once a week. He was a very frequent Alex Jones guest. Yeah. He came up with the CNN is Isis. Yeah. Whole campaign which Alex blew him on. Right. Just just got down on his knees. Totally. I'd like to further. I like to

reread this. So I've been pivoting. I've been pivoting a little bit which I told you right. I've been pivoting and now the pivot is going to be even bigger. What do you get from being a pro Trump guy. You got to shill for Trump all day. I'm pivoting away from anything pro Trump. No. Don't play the clip of him being on the show. This is from August 4th. Fuck me. The day after. Fucking Christ. I started but she's hosting the fourth hour is going to pop in with how right he was with his

white house sources on the purge that's now evident where Info Wars has been banned and much more and of course then Trump continues to be absolutely encircled by traders. It is crazy and McMaster is the ringleader and it was Cernovich that first identified that he's even trying to keep Don Jr. out of politics and defending his dad. Every defender of the president. You should. They're supposed to be a division between the two of them. That's called the that's

fucking. I don't want anyone to think of me as a pro Trump guy. I'm going to specifically reject any kind of branding about pro Trump or whatever. I'm going this way. Big big pivot big big pivot. So I've already made a bit of a pivot a little bit more now all the way over here. That's where I am. When the GOP elite in the deep state goes after Trump hard. Who's going to have his back. Do you gain anything by risking your reputation your career your business supporting Trump.

What's the upside. So everything in life has an upside and a downside. So you go risk it for Trump. You might lose it all. You have a big downside. Huge downside with Trump. What's the upside. First of all that quote and everything that Mike Cernovich is saying is I really just care about money. I was just doing this for money the whole time. I legitimately have no principles attached to what I'm doing. Secondly the next day he's hosting the fucking fourth hour on a clear propaganda

outlet for Donald Trump and he's doing it to talk about how right he was about the McMasters leak and that's what brings me to my main point. It's not about Trump. The Trump thing was a way to make money for Mike Cernovich. He just laid it out on his fucking periscope video that he put out where he pivots away from Trump. Alex Jones made it clear in 2015 when we had that clip that episode where fucking Joe Biggs went to a Trump rally and Alex Jones realized he could

make a lot of money on it. The reason that Mike Cernovich is still doing the fourth hour to talk about his McMasters leaks is because this globalist narrative is more important to them than any of the little pieces of it. Any of the any of the details. Doesn't matter about Trump. Doesn't matter about anything. It matters about book sales. No. The book sales are important. But the anti-Semitism that lies behind the globalist narrative is inescapable. I would say at this

point now it's it's metastasized into full on white nationalism. Like we're past anti-Semitism. They walk hand in hand. They do walk hand in hand but anti-Semitism is much more contained. Cernovich tweeted out a fucking picture of McMaster as a marionette and the person who had the strings of the marionette was Soros and then there was another marionette above that. There was another marionette above that that had Rothschilds. That's all just fucking this same nonsense

narrative. If you really dig into it, the Rothschilds do not have nearly as much money as everybody pretends they do and the whole story of their ascension to a global banking cartel that controls everything is complete nonsense. It's historical and in the same way that everyone's it's right up there with everyone's anti-central bank shit. It's like yeah, the central bank it's problematic as an idea but it didn't come around as just a way to be evil. Same thing with

the Rothschilds. They were very successful for a bit and now their money has been diffused quite a bit. They aren't nearly as rich as everyone thinks. It seems like the the greatest it comes down to anti-semitism. The greatest lesson nobody ever learned since uh since the death of Jesus Christ was uh don't hate the Jews. Comes back to bite you. Yeah. Three days later. Seems to have bitten us pretty bad. Well, I mean so many people hate the Jews for no good reason. I I I am firm in my

conviction based on all the research that I've done about Alex Jones's individual sources that he claims that prove the globalism stuff. They just don't say what he says they say. Yeah. The things that do match up with the things he says come from sources like the protocols of the elders of Zion and deeply anti-semitic frauds throughout history. So, I am of the which was started by Russian intelligence. Exactly. We're fucked. I'm of the we're fucked, Dan. Yeah, totally. I'm

of the mind that Alex Jones is knowing it or not beholden to a deeply anti-semitic worldview and a lot of these Johnny Come Lately's, the Cernovich's, the Jack Pasobius, the Cassandra Fairbanks, the Lawrence Southerns. These people are following right in the wake. The Gavin McGinnis's too. Yeah. They're all just going along the exact same ride and they are doing it maybe more effectively, maybe smarter than Alex because there's maybe more craven aspect of it. Maybe

more craven about it. I would say so more desperate. I mean if if Cernovich is just admitting it out and out that it wasn't good for book sales to be into Trump, then it seems like they are much less beholden to any kind of like he specifically says in that rant that the Trump mindset book didn't sell as well as the Moga mindset didn't sell as well as Guerrilla mindset. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like so you don't fucking have any. So fighting fighting for a toxic masculine

identity sells far better than fighting for Trump. Well because that's too much. That's putting a hat on a hat. Yeah. You're putting toxic masculinity on top of toxic masculinity and you don't need to do that. That's a comedy error. Hat on a hat. Don't do it. Don't do it. But like I don't know if I'm making my point fully. Like this thing with Cernovich is incredibly revealing. Like it exposes so much. It exposes a ton about Mike Cernovich and what's like really meaningful to

him. The fact that he does this and big, big pivot away from Trump. I reject all branding of me being pro Trump. And then a day later. Info wars doing the Info Wars fourth hour which is an out and out Trump propaganda operation. And Alex didn't like Alex didn't intervene in any way. Like Alex had to have seen him say I'm way anti Trump now. Not anti Trump but I'm I'm free of. I reject the branding. Yeah. Exactly. I'm willing. I'm willing to believe he didn't see that's that's fair. He might be

hungover. That is fair. There's a lot of possibilities in terms of the world of Alex still be Yeager bombed. Yeah. But then that was two years back. But it's a long hangover. Are we are we rejecting that out of course or are we still going with that. Quite honestly. I feel like our country might be in a 17 18 year hangover right now. Fair. I just I think that we never should have elected Reagan Dan. That's where it all began. Yeah. How are we feeling. We doing OK Dan. You know where I'm at.

Here's where I'm at. Where are you at. I got too much going on inside my head in terms of a lot of these angles and I'm very worried that I'm not laying it out in a way that makes sense. I'm deeply worried that it sounds like rampant conjecture and nonsense. Yeah. And which there is no shortage of on the Internet. Right. And like we're not trying to be Louise Mench. No. Yeah. And I'm deeply critical of myself in as much as even as I'm saying these things I'm like what are

you doing. And as soon as I post this I will regret posting it. Of course. But that's with everything we've ever done. Absolutely. Every time I used to get on stage like why am I doing every time every time I would do a podcast I'd be like who did I do this. Who the fuck wants exactly what am I what am I hurting people. That's that's deep in security that is just from bad parenting. Who knows. And that's how we got who knows. Let's not psychoanalyze everything at this

point. But like I am deeply deeply deeply concerned about two things. One is the big picture that we were talking about about the Dugan and Alex clear pro Putin position. That thing is incredibly troubling to me. Yeah. Because it does match up with what we saw in our last episode from two years in the past. And there's a decent chance that all of this has been Alex's position the whole time. And no one realized that he is not a Russian agent but is a Russian mouthpiece.

Yeah. More or less. Yeah. He is someone who is compromised maybe by flattery because very simple. You know what he lived in America for up till 2015. What would that be 20 years 19 years doing radio and everyone thinking he's crazy. Some Russian people come around to be like you're fucking awesome. You got it. You're so great. Then he starts to see Russian propaganda that sounds a lot like him. How would that not sway you. That's true. That's super villain backstory.

Yeah. That's yeah. So there's that. Yeah. There's that image that's in my head. The honeypot is just being told you're a good boy. Right. Right. And then beyond that. I mean the Sernovich shit. I'm so I mean who cares really but like I'm torn between that whole pivot is fake. That's all fake. Which is absolutely is that's a means. Absolutely is a media stunt. Yeah. But then the other Paul Joseph Watson saying that he eats paper. Maybe. Yeah. Maybe. But it's possible that he's

being sincere but then he still will be on info wars because he still believes in the globalist stuff and he thinks that he can exist on info wars and not be branded as pro Trump which I'm here to tell you you can't you cannot do that but at the same time like I if that is the case that's even more troubling to me because then I mean globalists aren't real and don't give me that. You know. It's an audio podcast but I just raised a raised a brow at you. There's the people's

eyebrow. I just I just don't know what to do with it. I don't know what to do. I I'm not ready. I'm not ready to deal with the idea of there being just an out and out anti globalist propaganda network wherein Alex Jones allows someone who's not pro Trump to be on it like that idea for me is fascinating. It's scary but it's fascinating. It'll be it'll be interesting to see who influences who here. So imagine Cernovich's pivot is real not because he doesn't support Trump anymore but just

because why would I align myself with Trump's clearly disintegrating brand. Right. Right. So if that is true then his argument to Alex is one again of craven opportunistic ness opportunistic. Dude you got to get out of here. Yeah exactly. Bro you got to get off the ship. Exactly. So so he and Alex have a conversation that boils down to Alex saying my audience is so pro Trump I can't pivot away. The fact Cernovich saying it's a smart move money wise in the long term. That's

fascinating. But I can't not you know like for me to sell books I have to be divorced from Trump. For you to sell shit you have to be on board with you. You know what though this pivot didn't come six months ago from Cernovich. So you know what I bet what I bet his book sales were great initially and then they're terrible now. So they dropped off because everybody hates Trump. Right. So I bet the argument that Alex could make about long term stuff that holds no water and I

would argue that. No that's that's what I'm saying Cernovich's argument is long term this is bad. Yeah. But Alex saying if I built up this operation. If I pivot now everything is over. Right. But so for Cernovich it's fine for him to pivot on a Alex has to take months to pivot. Cernovich came up with the CNN is ISIS shit. He is a wonder keen in terms of like ideas. This guy is an idea dude. Alex Jones Mike Cernovich Buckley with a little sack of male vitality and you know what they

get a seventh wife stolen by Alex. They get in a room together. They snort some lines that super male vitality. They can come up with a way for Alex to get out of this thing real quick. Yeah. Except they can't because Alex Jones for the last couple years has been beholden to Russian propaganda and as early as Friday has had representative of that on his show. It's it's it bums me out. I don't want this to be the truth. Does Cernovich have any kind of Russian propaganda like

sort of it has to be Cernovich has to be independent of that because he's way I think so. He's way later. No but I think he's beholden to stuff in the same way that Alex is but he's also just a shithead. Like he came to prominence during the Gamergate stuff which he can go fucking murder himself but he is that kind of fucking shoots himself in the head. He's that kind of guy. He's a contrarian right male identity kind of dude online. That's sort of been his scope and I haven't

studied him enough to know if he has any. I don't know if his narrative match up with Russia. Okay. In the same way that Alex he's a he's a joke who fucking ties himself to this idea of masculinity that God help us should go away as soon as possible. Agreed. Agreed. That's all he is. So at this point I'm going to wish you a happy vacation. I will I will try. I think I think at this point there's a lot more information that we want that we don't have. Yeah. And we'll find out

eventually but at this point it's deeply troubling but we'll see. We'll see what the other facts come in. Oh man if you want to know more wait until we find out more. Sure. Or you could follow us at at knowledge underscore fight. Right. On Twitter. Or you can go to our website knowledge fight.com and you know you can find our archive of episodes that have led us to this point. Yep. Which has been a wild harrowing eight month journey. Right. Filled with more red herrings than

the fucking thin man. Like what's going on. Absolutely. It's nonsense. Yeah. And then also filled with more revelations of the fuck is this guy talking about. Yeah. He's just just like the thin man. I want I want some kind of drawing room scene where every all of the players are put together around a table and we go like now it could be Alex Jones up till right now. I thought you were talking about the slender man. No. The thin man with Nick and Nora. You don't know this shit.

I only know about the slender man dude. Great movie. Great movie. So is this a lot. A lot more acceptance of punching wives back in the day. But great. Oh that's that's just you know that's yeah that's true. That's it's a very it's a very relevant movie apparently. It's very Russian. Yeah. Also you can check us out on iTunes. You can go to Facebook. Yeah. Facebook. You can check us out there. I was trying to say it faster so you would just let it go. Nope. Nope. Big shout out to

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want to be associated with me or just or this. Probably not. Yeah. You know what else no one wants to be associated with. Oh gonorrhea. This denture mouth piece of shit. Oh did Alex Jones's father make him his dentures. You know what that's fascinating. That's a good question. I would love to know the truth about that. Yeah. CIA dentist comes in. Hold on. Hold on. Let's hear this new narrative. Let's hear how great this bit is never going to work. John

Rappaport at one point was normal. Yes. But then he got a toothache. No. We're talking about oh shit. Oh shit. This is his backstory. We're getting into evil dentures territory. Yes. Okay. We're talking about Frankenstein dentures. He took them from a an info warrior 20 years ago. John Rappaport was a normal investigative journalist. Right. He was just hanging out trying to get to the bottom of scoops. Right. Then toothache. What am I going to do.

Well I happen to be in Texas. Happen to be in Austin. I hear great things about Dr. Jones. He's a great guy. He's a CIA dentist. No one of the top six dentists. And you know what this dentist. No time for love. Just got to get in there with the teeth. So he goes in. He goes in. Rappaport goes in. It's his teeth worked on. Turns out puts chimeras in his mouth. His chimeras talk to him in his mouth. Wait. His chimera his teeth are chimeras. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. CIA

dentist Dr. Jones puts in animal human chimeras inside the feelings inside his teeth. They start telling them all these things like HIV isn't real. Okay. They start whispering those things inside his mouth which I mean it's a resonant cavern. Right. It's going to get into your ear eventually. Sure. If you if you I'm following along. If you're tiny and inside a mouth and you speak towards the throat it's going to get to the ear. Yeah. It's going to get

to the ear. Oh of course. So these tiny chimeras inside the teeth start giving out. I'm loving this. You're running out of steam but I'm loving it. I've already. Anyway none of this is true. The idea that somebody turns the podcast off the moment we get into plugs makes me laugh so much more now. Yeah. Considering the fact that we have never ended the show in a anywhere near competent man or coherent. Yeah. But anyway that that all isn't true. What's

the point that you're trying to make Dan? This guy named John Rappaport with a T at the end. Can fuck himself. Andy and Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.