Knowledge Fight - #714: Trial Recap, Part 1

Episode Date: August 11, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan begin a breakdown of some of the Alex-related aspects of the Sandy Hook trial.  In this installment, they go over Alex's testimony, and review his on-air response to the announcement of the compensatory damages judgment.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello, Alex. I'm Mr. Tim Cullen. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. I love you. Everybody. Welcome back. Knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed. We are Dan Jordan. Jordan quick question for you. So what's your right spot today? My bright spot today is sneaky. Uh oh. What am I doing? I don't

know. What am I doing? Morning show. We are good morning. That is what this has become. Yeah. A delightful week of celebration. I don't know. Celebration celebration celebration. It's sneaking. It's yeah. You can't celebrate a sneak. Can we have the interview with reliable sources? Brian Stelter on Sunday. Monday. We have the world exclusive interview with the lawyers. Wild Bankston and Bill Ogden. So funny that we do. Then Becca Lewis on Tuesday. But in order for sneak week to really be sneaky, there has to be a day where nothing happens. There has to be a day where nothing ever surprises you. You expect shows the whole week. Absolutely. No, we sneaked. We snuck and we didn't have something on Wednesday. And do you know what else? When

people think we zagged. That's when we're going to Zog baby. See, I know that that is a quote from news radio, but I worry because Zog means Zionist occupied government. Okay, well, yes. That joke from Jimmy James has been ruined. Yes, there is a different issue. Yeah, that's true. So I have to put a embargo on that. Yes. Yeah. But so Thursday, here we are today. We're beginning a two parter about the trial time and getting up to speed on a lot of that stuff. Right. And then Friday, we cap off sneak week with an appearance on the majority report. Oh my God, what do we do with Sam Cedar? We're so silly. Yeah, long time coming. I think maybe, I don't know. I've been looking forward to that. I am a big, I have been a big fan of Sam and his work. And so,

yeah, I'm looking forward to I'm really excited about it as well. Absolutely. What a week. I'm going to sing Sceptipus to Sam the entire time. You've already told me that you're going to have a tough time not doing home movies. Impressions. I'm even going to go into Lucy, daughter of the devil. I'm going to be like, holy shit, do you remember when you played the vampire guy and you were like, I forgot everything you know about vampire? How you remember that? Yeah, it's going to be great. See, a fruit is going to like me. I have thoughts about like various interviews he's done with academics, authors, debates he's done with libertarians, times he's fucked with Steven Crowder. You just have voice acting. I have Brendan Small. And yeah, that's

it. Yeah, there we go. So it's your bright spot. My bright spot is I put it up. I finished it. I compiled all of the annoying tweets that I made and I got rid of all the insults and all of the personal texts and all of the anything that isn't at the trial because I wanted to share a disorienting experience with people. There's going to be way better books written about it that make more sense and that will be enjoyable to read. But you won't get the real experience of being there, which was disorienting and unenjoyable. I think a lot of people are going to resent the lack of insults. I think people are going to want those insults. Yeah, well, that's the problem. You've cultivated this thing. Here's the problem through the live tweeting

where people are like, no, I know, I know, I don't like it. Here's the problem. The final draft, 50,000 words, Dan. I don't know if you recall what I said, the initial amount of total words I had written over this time period. No, 70,000. Yeah. So yeah, 20,000 cut out. I know how to take care of things. 20,000 insults. It's quite a ratio. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's done. You can go to my website, the quiet part loud. It's the front page. Did you include that whole thing where everyone was saying grape job to bond? No, I did not. Again, no personal tags. I didn't even mention that grape job Barnes and existed. All that it is is you can go to my website and you can download it as PTF. PDF. Don't pay anything for it. Don't give anybody anything for it. Don't

buddy or just read it. Well, what fun. Yeah. For everyone who is wondering where, where are those? Where are those tweets? I'm so sensitive. I'm so sensitive. He made fun of me for writing a good Twitter book. You had a good, you had a good tenure at your new job because you referred to it. I say I got a gig one time and it is death for me. It is when I before any way to describe it. Yes, for a short period of time. Yes, I get it because it also kind of sounds like someone was paying you to do it, which is hilarious. It does and it is and it's sad. So Jordan today, like I said, we're starting to part one of the trial coverage and sort of the surrounding aura indeed in some sense. I think the surrounding stuff will be a little bit more in the next

episode. Gotcha. But today, what we're going to be doing is going over the testimony that Alex gave at the trial, which I didn't expect we were going to cover because I thought all that stuff was like, you can't make copies of this, but then it's on law and crime. Yeah, I guess they just put it out there. So, so yeah, I mean, it's ours now. Yeah. Nothing like you can do about it. Well, hundreds of thousands of people are watching those videos. I'm going to go ahead and take some of that audio. So we're going to cover Alex's the the direct questioning from Ray Nall. Sure. And then the cross examination and then we're going to get into the aftermath of the compensatory damages. Sure. And that's where we're going to

leave off. Okay. Alex's response to the compensatory damages waiting for the next day when he will end up in the punitive phase. Gotcha. Okay. So that is that is what part one will cover. And then part two will pick up and right sprawl from there. So this one is is far from home. And then the next one is end game. I forgot how these movies are titled. I haven't seen any of them. Okay. So yes, good call. Yeah. 100% perfectly accurate. Marvel metaphor. So before we do that though, Jordan, let's get back to something we haven't done in a while. Say hello to some new walks. So first, objection non responsive. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Aftonomia podcast. You inspired

me to fact check my local bircherite weirdo in podcast form. Thank you. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Hearing the old technocrat drop makes me feel three years younger. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Justin and Tony, you're going Zimbabwe. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. I forgot that one. How much have we forgotten? I thought it was baby. You're going Zimbabwe. I think it was that, but I still like it. That was good. Thank you very much. Next. It may be easier to just say it's pronounced Makayla. My mom was a creative speller. Thank you so much. You're now a policy

walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Makayla and angering Alex by being tall at the mall. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Finally, Jordan, we have a technocrat in the mix and to make that other person feel three years younger, I'm going to use the old draw. All right. But my husband knows the term is policy walk, but still calls it Polly Wonk. He's going to be so happy. He's now a technocrat. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone Sotomayne sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate

black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes. Thank you very much. So now Jordan, we begin with Alex being sworn in and I do think that this isn't going to be a complete play by play of everything that happens because there's a lot of stuff that I think honestly anyone who listens to our show would be like, this is boring. This is, uh, you know, that was a lot of the experience of us being in the room for especially his first day of just being like, are you doing an ad read right now? Really? We might include that. Well, baby. Um, but Alex is sworn in and he's trying, he tries to take a piece of paper up to the stand with him, which causes a little problem. Mr. Reynolds, do you have a witness? I do. The defense would call Alex E. Jones. All

right. Mr. Jones, come stand in front of me, please. Raise your right hand. Do solemnly swear or affirm under penalty of perjury that the testimony you are about to give shall be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Thank you. Come have a seat. Um, in the witness chair, there is water and glasses. You have pretty good volume. I don't think you'll need to lean into the microphone. I see that you have a document with you. I don't know if you were here when I explained to a prior witness who brought documents with them that you can't look at any document for any reason while you're testifying and go on unless one of the lawyers or myself instruct you to do so. So I'm going to ask you to actually just give it back to Mr. Reynolds until he may

think you need it. Okay. Okay. Okay. One of the things that's fun about that is that, you know, Alex is so invested in this like we're teleprompter free, you know, and then he's trying to bring handwritten notes to the stand. So you remember his talking points. I mean, the fact that they were handwritten to like, come on, really? Yeah. I mean, on some level, I get it. I get the impulse. I would rather have talking points. Sure. Sure. No, that's fair. Instead of just being a drift at sea and having to answer whatever question is asked of me. Fair. But yeah, you can't, you don't get to do that. Yeah. I mean, we were, this wasn't day one of the trial. No. You know, like we have already experienced. I believe this is day five. Yeah. We've already experienced. It was

Tuesday. No, this would have been day seven. Day six. Yes. Day six of the trial proper. Yeah. Because if you don't count, if you don't count your selection. Yeah. Day six. So, but like we had seen for a week, everyone come unprepared and then they had a weekend. Yeah. Because what we have not discussed is up till this point. You already had Owen Troyer. You already had Daria. You already had Becca. You already had Will's zip. Yeah. Mr. Crouch. Yeah. And so you'd already had like a real contrast in the infowars people and the witnesses that were being called by the plaintiffs in terms of their ability to answer basic questions. Sure. Yeah. And so Alex comes up. Oh, I also didn't include the part where he was scolded for chewing gum and then tried to show

his mouth. Oh my God. There were some things that were just kind of like, what are we doing? We have some things to talk about. Let's not get bogged down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to be here a while. So Rinal comes in with his first question. And one of the things that I think becomes abundantly clear really fast is that Alex does not appreciate the notion of not just being able to ramble. Right. Yes. He was not a fan. It's one of the things that he has. It's the most sacred to him and he does not respond well to being told. You have to answer questions. Alex, would you please introduce yourself to the ladies and gentlemen of the jury? Hi, I'm Alex Jones. How are you feeling today, Alex? I actually feel good because I got a chance to for the first time

say what's really going on instead of the corporate media and high powered law firms manipulating what I actually did. I want to start by kind of letting the jury know a little bit about your views and where you grew up so that you get to know your members. Is that okay? Okay. And you know, before we do that, I just do want to say this. I'm ready because I said it many times. I apologize to both. Sustained. So Mr. Jones, one of the instructions I just gave you is that this is not a conversation. Question and answer. So she got the monologue without me. I got it. And so you have to only answer questions that are asked of you. So you can see here that in the first question Alex has asked, he's already off track. He's trying to monologue and control the entirety

of the conversation because he was why wouldn't he think he should be able to? I find it hard to imagine that Rinal has had any success ever trying to keep Alex on point, like off the stand. Yeah. So why should this be any different? Right. At the end, Alex says that it's not fair that he doesn't get to talk, but she got to monologue. This is in reference to Scarlett Lewis's testimony from just prior to him taking the stand. And there's a reason why she got to monologue, as Alex put it. It's because Rinal knew damn well that he wasn't going to object and interrupt her. For as much of a shithead as he seems to be, I don't think Rinal is so detached from his humanity as to deprive Ms. Lewis of her chance to speak her peace to Alex after all this time and him

dodging the moment of having to look her in the face and hear her words. Yeah. To be told, Lewis probably was a bit off subject at a few points in her testimony. And if Rinal had objected, there's a really good chance that the judge would have no choice but to refocus the question asked, but he didn't do that. And that's what Alex is mad about. You're not mad that she got to monologue and you don't. It's that your lawyer didn't stop it. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. I mean, it does seem like what is really causing Alex Eyre is that his lawyer did not badger Scarlett Lewis with questions or interrupt her answers of questions that the plaintiff's attorney said. Right. Right. You understand why we're here. Yeah. I mean, I think that it would have taken

a really cold, cold lawyer, man. Yeah. Yeah. Objection non responsive to her talking about her, her son dying. Yeah. Yeah. That would have been a dark day. Yeah. So Alex does want to stress as he was trying to with this sidebar that he was going down that he apologized and he's sorry and all this. So he attempts an apology here. Mr. Jones, have you been wanting to apologize to the plaintiffs in this case for a long time? Yes. And what would you like to say? That I never intentionally tried to hurt you. I never even said your name until this case obtained a court. I didn't even really know who you were until a couple years ago and all this started up. The internet had a lot of questions. I had questions and over that six, seven year

period before I got sued or six year period, it's clear you can see the whole progression of us the few times we covered it to try to actually find out what happened. And that's really been my big frustration is that the people have said that I'm personally trying to hurt them or coming after them when I question every big event. And a lot of times it turns out that we've not been told the truth. And a perfect example is today where they play a 30 or a one minute clip and I had just done that this morning. And I knew that I said I believe that Scarlett Lewis is real and she's a really nice person and she's really a sweet person. And then I went through and talked about her ex-husband too. And then I said I believe they're being fed and manipulated and this is

a perfect thing. Jesus Christ. Oh my God. Alex just wants to power through. Oh my God. So the clip he's talking about is something we went over on our 7-Eleven episode. Episode 7-Eleven. It wasn't an episode about 7-Eleven. It wasn't in 7-Eleven either. That is the clip of Alex talking about how Hesslin appeared slow. Right. And all this. He's trying to argue that this is a you know they selectively edited everything. Right. Right. Right. Whatever. Yeah. His argument was essentially you didn't play the whole clip. See what happened is the first thing I said was I'm sorry and then I said that he was slow and that I think he's on the spectrum. So this is not an apology. That is Alex attempting to defend himself by saying that he didn't mean to hurt anyone and

he didn't actually even say things that would hurt them to begin with because you know people just take things he says out of context and attack him. This is pathetic but this is Alex's understanding of an apology. It's not about recognizing and respecting the pain that other people experience due to your actions. It's about pretending that you care they were hurt and that it was someone else's fault. It's cowardly but it's to be expected. Yeah. I mean if you follow his words he's essentially saying basically you're not smart enough to understand why what I did was actually okay. Here are my excuses that you just don't understand. Like you're mad at me but really it's your fault. Right. I didn't hurt you. It's the media lying about the things that I said. I don't

even know who you are. I never said your name. Yeah. Like. Yeah. A very respectful thing to say in your defamation trial is honestly I didn't even know who you were. It doesn't matter to me who my hurt. Right. It's almost like he's ambison in the street fighter movie. It's a little bit like wow. You are a real villain here. The day that I came to your village is the most important day of your life. Yeah. For me it was Tuesday. Nothing. Yeah. It's like Jesus man. That's how you're going to go with it. It's not good. Not great. So Reynaugh wants to humanize Alex obviously and so a part of this is walking through some of his earlier life and I didn't cut clips from all of it but there's some stuff that just seemed like wow this doesn't match up at all. Right. Alex

usually talks. Yeah. We were in there. Yeah. So here's the first of that. Can you let us know where where are you from in Texas originally? I was born in Dallas then I grew up in a suburb of Dallas called Rockwell. And how old were you when you moved to Austin? Sixteen. And can you tell the members of the jury why your family relocated to Austin? My dad sold his dental practice and there was too much crime in Dallas and Austin was a safer city. There's too much crime in Dallas. Oh boy. You lived in Rockwall. Too much crime in Dallas. Wealthy suburb. Apparently if you watch Alex's documentary you know it's one of the richest suburbs in the country and everybody's rolling around and rolls Royce's and doing you don't understand what his problem

is. His problem is there is too much wage theft going on. So you know there was a lot of crime going on in that neighborhood. Service employees were paid too little. Yes. That's what his main issue was is that the people he was around were not paying their employees well. You know what I respect that. I wish it was. Yeah. I think that he knew better than to do the I grew up in a town where Satanists are trying to recruit me to worshiping the devil because they knew that through psychic powers the devil gave them I would be important to God's mission in the future and I uncovered a drug ring within the Rockwall Police Department and they threatened to murder me if I didn't leave town. I think that maybe he knew that the jury wouldn't take kindly to that

or maybe you would paint him in a bad light because it's clearly ridiculous. Yeah. It would be a little bit like the jury's punitive damages at that point would have to come back with like and he has to wear a straight jacket forever. You know like that if you say that on the stand punitive damages stop being money. I think Alex is pretty lucky that this is not one of those performative judge situations. Section eight. Yeah. So Alex talks about some of his early influences and this was one of the points where I almost had to leave the courtroom. How old were you when you first felt that you wanted to be on the air that you wanted to work in the air? When I was about 17 I really like listening to talk radio and I grew up with

my dad on road trips listening like Larry Keane when he was still on radio and I really like Larry Keane on radio and then also on CNN and I also liked Howard Stern thought he was funny and I really wanted to be a talk show host. You liked CNN? You like the Clinton news network? Please. This is a strategic answer on Alex's part because he doesn't want to say to the jury that he was brought up listening to and admiring extreme far-right demagogues and Christian identity radio preachers. He doesn't want to say to the jury that he was a devoted fan of the British Israelite preacher David J. Smith or how he was a regular listener to the Holocaust denying preacher Tex Mars whose church Alex has said repeatedly that he attends. Yeah. He doesn't

want to even tell the version of the story that he relayed in his documentary Alex's War because even that would sound bad to a jury. Larry King and Howard Stern are largely mainstream touchstones and they do the sort of shows that Alex wants the jury to think he does. It's total bullshit but it's also very clear why he's presenting his inspiration to get into media this way so the jury doesn't get an accurate sense of what his career has actually been about. Also kind of makes Alex Lee Moyer's editing choices look even more embarrassing. The use of swelling music over Alex telling the tale of how he discovered people bringing the fight to the New World Order on public access and how that was the moment he realized he wanted to get into this field seems particularly

dumb now. Just imagine the same music that she played over Alex saying I really like Larry King's radio show and wanted to host a chat program like is not not quite so doesn't have the same flair. It is maybe you got played or maybe you want it to be played. It is so very funny to me the idea of having made a documentary and then only days later hear your subject almost completely disavow every single thing in that documentary. Yeah under oath. I'm also like I don't know I'm getting reset wars vibes in terms of like I think there was a lot of ramping up to it and it seems like no one cared. No one cares at all about that fucking documentary. I don't know. I mean that I feel almost like I'm dumb for doing as much work in advance. I mean because I kind of I kind of thought

it would be a little bit more widely discussed and maybe viewed and then it then it was at a preemptive for the premark. I mean they had some big names premarketing it. You know like they interview with Greenwald. It feels like that should move the needle somewhat. Right. And there were ostensibly million followers. There were a lot of preorders online. Yeah. Take however you want. I guess. I don't know. Anyway Alex's early show that he did beginning of his career apparently quite different. Yes. Than the current way different. And what was the format of your early shows on Austin Public Access TV. It wasn't as conspiratorial or political. There was some of that because there was other people doing those shows and I already knew about that information

but it was just all over the map. It was just really calling shows and different topics. Did variety shows like Card Pumpkins on TV on Halloween and you know have a guy come in with his pet monkey and it dances around. Just fun stuff because also like Johnny Carson growing up. Okay. That's complete bullshit. Maybe Alex did do a bit of goofing off on his show but it was also straight up conspiracy content. He and his early public access co-host Jeff Davis made a documentary together titled Are You Practicing Communism. If that gives you some sense of the vibe he was working with back then. It's really hard to get your hands on the shows from back then but the ones I've seen are complete bullshit and conspiracy laden nonsense and it's super easy to find accounts

from people who worked at the station with him back then. Right. He was a raving conspiracy lunatic even back then. He was an asshole and no one liked working with him. That's why that's a big part of why his career took the trajectory. Right. It would be it would have been more fun if that was like a PSA where it's like that. Like are you practicing your piano lessons? You know like are you practicing your communism? Are you working on your communism? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Practice makes perfect. Are you going to communist in Carnegie Hall is the question that you should be asking yourself. Yeah. Yeah. I tried to watch that documentary. Well it's not a documentary. It's like them sitting at a table complaining about communism. It's between two ferns.

Sort of. But there's a table. Sure. Sure. And no ferns. Right. Yeah. It just was like I can't. I'm not going to do this. There was there was no flair. Nothing. No flair. Nothing. Anti-communism. Terrible. But look man. Alex. Alex loved Larry King. Of course. Tell us in those you told us already about Larry King and about Howard Stern. Who would you say influenced you artistically in the format and how you did your show then and became the man you are today? I mean really I listen to Larry King a lot because my dad listened to him on the radio a lot when I was filming from the time I was like six seven I remember listening to Larry King and then I'd watch him a lot of nights at home in junior high and high school. So I would say

more to anybody Larry King. If Alex's dad listened to Larry King it was yelling at him. It was like listening to Larry King and being this fucking communist. You know what honestly I would almost believe that and here's why the the Alex's need to interrupt over the TV sad to have come from somewhere. I think it's entirely possible that he did watch his dad just interrupt Larry King screaming at the TV all the time. It's an interesting theory. I think that that could just be a style he developed totally totally. I understand low attention span highly knee jerk reactive but yeah there you know you do what you see sometimes. I'm just saying that I'm aging and now I'm recognizing my my father's actions in my own

and this is entirely about me. I have no idea what we're talking about. I can't relate to that at all as someone whose dad locked himself in a room and worked all the time. Alex touches on his first documentary and this is a real fun claim. Did you also start making in order to support info wars? Did you also start making documentaries? I did start making documentaries in 1997. I made my first documentary America Destroyed by Design about the great reset. Oh yeah that right. And the different UN documents that were in it and then I made more than 25 more films after that. See this is like so indicative of Alex's shit. Like this pretending that his first documentary was about the great reset something that didn't become a hot topic

in conspiracy circles until 2021. Yeah basically yeah like this is so this is what he's about. He's about retconning. He takes these things that he yelled about in the past and then applies modern labels and contexts to them in order to make it look like Alex Jones was always right. Yeah yeah it's just such bullshit. Like you weren't yelling about the great reset. You were yelling about like a gender 21 and yeah and the road in Texas or the road through what was it? What was it? Oh yeah yeah yeah. Highway thing. Yeah the North Transatlantic North American Highway. Corridor yeah yeah yeah something like that. You were yelling about national parks having a sign up in them. Yeah get off it. It was it is like we talked about it with uh with Mark and Bill just

a little bit but it is like you can't really have a jury of Alex's peers out of anybody that's that doesn't like who how can you say oh you're you can't lie under oath to that? Like you and I both know that that's a complete lie you know but who's gonna say it? I don't know if that's a substantive lie to the case. Totally totally. So maybe it's kind of fine for the proceedings of this that. Right but you're under oath. I know I know all that stuff. I know I know it's legally all that it is but there is a certain part of me that's like you have to be able to know that Alex is lying even about that you know. Sure sure yeah I agree with that. Yeah I think that this runs into the issue of the separate realities because you know there's a part of Alex that probably believes.

Absolutely. That I was talking about the Great Reset. I was talking about the Great Reset. When I was three years old I had a dream about the Great Reset. The Lord spoke it to me you know. Like how does narcissism work and its effects on whether or not you think you're being truthful. Yeah yeah you know like and that's something that would be difficult to unpack but I would say that oath or no oath you're a fool if you think Alex is ever going to like actually give you truthful answers and direct answers. Yes. So we get back to talking about the time of Sandy Hook on Alex's show. Right. And what was his show like. What was the environment at Info Wars. I believe I recall. Can you tell us what the sort of different segments are that would appear on a

given day at Info Wars circuit 2012. There was my four hour radio show that in 2012 was just a webcam on me for people that wanted to watch it online and then it was just it was me at a desk with a camera in 2012 and then I mean that was it basically. The primary goal of Alex's answer here is to downplay his own relevance and the size of his operation in 2012. He wants the jury to think that though he's a big famous boy now back then he was really just mom and pop talk show. Unfortunately he's lying. He didn't just have a webcam on a desk at that point. He had two studios each with multiple camera angles available at any point. He also had more than just his show being broadcast daily since the Info Wars Nightly News was in existence at that point.

The Nightly News started in 2011 and it contained a bunch of content that's relevant to this very lawsuit like instances of Rob Do covering Sandy Hook. Alex knows all this but the goal is to create the perception that he really wasn't that big back then so it couldn't have been him that was so influential in getting the Sandy Hook conspiracies rolling and causing the harm that was done to Neil and Scarlett. It's a fraud and one of the telltale signs is him pretending a show he produced all the way to 2017 doesn't exist. It's nonsense. Never heard of it before. What's this? I've never heard of it before. I was thinking about this. I can't think of any testimony real or fictional I have ever seen that may be more chucked filled with absolute non-truths.

And it is like you were saying. That's because in this world I don't think we're ever dealing with a truth or a lie. That doesn't exist. We're dealing with both and neither simultaneously. Yeah. What's convenient and useful to me is the truth. Is the truth and I believe it under a lie detector. Yeah. And I think that it's bizarre because the you know narcissism for Alex works in this way of like all right when I need to inflate my self right in 2012 I had the biggest show in the world. I had a hundred million radio stations of every world leader on the planet listens to my show. Ron Paul loved me and he was the rightful president or something. I owned the Tea Party. One of those things. I ran the Tea Party. He did run the Tea Party. He did explicitly

say that. And then the narcissism here is that he needs to not be very big because it's important for him to not have the grand title of the thing that is negative. Right. Right. Right. What is that hallmark thing of psychopaths is that the manipulating based on what they people think want to hear in any situation. Is that one of those things like that. Yeah. That sounds right. So with this next clip is where Alex gets to talking about the how talk show hosts are judged. This is bizarre. At the time 2012. How did you all source the or how did you source the stories that you wanted to cover during that segment of your talk radio 95 percent of what we were covering was mainstream news going look they're saying this do you believe it or what do you make of this.

I mean it's that kind of thing is that we would simply do what talk radio does. That's what talk radio does. That's what Larry King did is stack of news articles talk about what's going on what people are saying as callers. What do you think of that. Do you buy that. What do you think is going to happen next. Are there really WNB's in Iraq. Are they lying about it. And then the talk show helps make their predictions about what they think. And then the talk radio listeners basically keep note and see who's the most accurate. And it becomes a big game to see who has made the best predictions and things like that. And so that kind of lends itself to to the very nature of a soapbox is people speculating. That's that's the nature of people

going to a park and standing up at Speaker's Corner in London for six hundred years and giving their opinion. That's what free speech is. OK. That is one of the most absurd descriptions of like five different things I've ever heard. I mean it got into like town criers. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He thinks that like his audience is sitting there with a pen and a pad. Absolutely. On his prediction. They have they have it's like it's like they're they have baseball scorecards. They're like oh OK. Alex hit a single on this one. Draw one line. Holy shit. Rush Limbaugh hits one out of the park. I mean look from the time that we've been doing this show and the predictions that we've seen from him if anyone was doing this and talk show hosts were

judged by this yeah he would be out of business. He would be an outlier. Yeah. On the other side. On the far side. Yes. He would be an outlier. That's true. Suck. He's fortunate that no one is keeping a pen and if that is true. God damn. The world would have to have been destroyed multiple times over by now. Yeah. In order for his predictions to have any decent track record. Absolutely. Cities in America would be constantly getting nuked. Right. The globalists would be starving everyone and we would all be dead of plague of locusts. Right. Years ago. Right. And this is how Alex always kind of gets into your head is like that is so insane that you almost forget he said that free speech is really just a dude standing on a box in the corner in London

screaming for 600 years. But back then your town crier that you listen to you judge by their predictions. Yes. But but then you judge their predictions by how long they stayed in the stocks. I think that might actually be a better situation for us. Man. If you have enough bad predictions you go in the stocks for a week. Yeah. I think that that is you're right. That is one of the tools of Alex's absurdity. Yeah. There's constant heightening. There's so many layers of absurdity. Yeah. So you're like wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. I can't deal with part a part B is parts these hilarious part D. What are you talking about. What is happening. So in a conversation about sources Alex says this. Now most of the time though I say I want this person.

I want that person. And I'm more in control of the guest that I have. But in the past we let more things driven by the Internet and by a force hand and a hand that in every case I've had problems has been a curse. I'm not thanking everybody that's on there. But that's I tell my producers do not touch it when it's on there because it's just it's the case of death and it causes nothing but problems. It's bullshit that Alex is saying there's a moratorium on this kind of sourcing like from things on 4chan. But if you want to take this seriously at all then what Alex needs to do is take a like a real hard look in the mirror. Take an inventory of the things that he said based on

4chan posts and retract all of it. He needs to go back and look at the like Soros Antifa contracts. You need to go back and find all of these things and really wrestle with like okay if you now know this to be a completely unreliable source you need to figure out what parts of your mythology what parts of your worldview are solely informed by that and work to get those out. Make sure that people don't still believe them because otherwise you're still using 4chan as a source essentially. And he doesn't do that because those those things that are based on 4chan nonsense are too important to him. Right right right yeah no if you find out a single cop used to be a drug dealer for 10 years every single case that that cop worked on needs to be

reevaluated and thrown out or whatever. So it's the same thing. It's the same fundamental principle. Yeah and it's it's hard work. It is very hard work. The reason Alex isn't going to do it. And you know you don't like what the result is going to be. It's not going to be good for him. No because then you have to find another way to try and prove that Soros has Antifa contracts to burn down cities which is a real big part of your whole bullshit opposition to the Black Lives Matter protests while you're pretending at least one of the ways that you pretended it wasn't based on right flagrant racism. Right. But hey don't don't go ahead and do that because it's too it's too complicated. It would take a while. Daria didn't even like finding the things that she was asked about

for two years. Well Wikipedia. Yeah well she did like finding that. So Alex doesn't like the news anymore. It's not surprising. And more and more I don't really follow the news model of covering the news in the past. I did but we still do it a lot. But now I mainly just talk about philosophy in the big picture and then have some guests on and the show's gotten more Christian Christian but as things progress while things happening in the world I'm moving more towards doing a self-help life experience than the political show. I've been trying to segue out of this just because I think we have to change individuals. Kind of like Scarlett was saying earlier more than we're going to change the world. We can't change ourselves than we're ever going to change

the world. And I've made a lot of mistakes and I've learned a lot in that process and I've also learned how the corporate media is able to completely manipulate a story once you're caught in it and then manipulate other people. And if anything I want to teach people about how that process works because they say I'm the mastermind that figured out how to manipulate people and I did have the understanding of it coming and now I've seen it from the inside the way the stuff goes on and I again I think only getting the individual awake and aware and not under its control is the way to beat it and you can't just cover a bunch of news and get somebody to understand that. You can't be told about the matrix you got to see it.

He's on the stand. Yep. This is rambly. I mean look on the one hand I guess he's just saying what you kind of could tell if you watch his show and that is that he's kind of pivoting into something that is less grounded in reality. Televangelily. Yeah. Yeah. Stuff like you don't have to pretend you have proof for as opposed to pretending you have proof for things. You can lie about the Bible all day and people really don't care. Sure. I think that getting into philosophy in the big picture is a generous way to say yelling about the devil. There's one way. But yeah I think this is true. Alex has given up the pretense of being about news and documents and all this because it never was real to begin with. Exactly. I think what's

interesting about that is that this is something that I noticed throughout Alex's testimony is that Alex was clearly the best coached because I really don't even know if Daria or Owen were given instructions on what questions Reynal was going to ask. Right. Right. But Reynal was clearly giving Alex prompts for these answers that they had talked about because they don't look as terrible as the real ones do. Right. Yeah. And then Alex just can't not be Alex. Yep. So he gives his he gives his prepared remarks and then you can see him kind of scramble and then start rambling off and on all of a sudden he's like and so that's why the Democrats are in. You're like no no no no you were doing so good. Yeah. But that's like what Alex wants. It's what he wants to get out on the

stand. He's just got to do it. Yeah. He's just got to do it. Can't stop himself. So part of the reason that he can't stop himself is because he's just overprepared. How many hours a day are you on the air. I'm on the air about four hours a day. And since when have you been on the air about four hours a day. I've been on the air four hours a day since about 1997 98. And in order to prepare for those four hours that you're going to be on the air every day. Well let me ask you this how many days a week. I'm on the air six days a week. So in order to prepare for four hours a day six days a week how many hours per day do you spend on prep for your show. I spend about two hours at night and about two hours in the morning. And then I do some research in the afternoon. This is a far cry from

the 16 hours a day. You're studying the globalists really did seem like he was over playing his hand and now it seems like he's down playing it. Huh. Yeah. It seems like on air. It's I do literally nothing but read globalist white papers and documents. Right. All of their dirty laundry that are filthy filthy dossiers not even dirty. I'm dreaming reading these documents. Exactly. Yeah. I do about two hours of the morning. Maybe two hours a night. It's busy. Yeah. But also I think that this is a lie. I know that this is too. I really don't even know like I really don't even know what this is. He also being used for because here's why I can explain this. I was well go for like him saying what he says on his show would be laughable. The jury would never believe that.

It would be something like. Yeah. Right. Sure. What are you doing for 16 hours. Right. Right. Right. Right. That's right. You're high. That's fair. But the two to four hours is believable. Right. That is a believable amount of preparation. You do four hours of a show. You do an eight hour work day. Call it a day. It's kind of what you would expect for somebody who's doing a job. Sure. More or less. Right. And it's you don't want him to look like I just shoot from the hip entirely. Sure. Because then there's an approach that is it's structurally irresponsible to to like what ended up happening. Right. But at the same time you don't want to make it look like he does nothing but do this show because first of all it's unbelievable. Right. Second of all if so then

you should have vetted Wolfgang Halbig. You would think if you had the time hours a day. You had the time. You got the time. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I meant more for like the defense's case because part of what they're arguing is clearly Alex spends so much time on air. You know what he's been like five minutes telling these people you know all of this stuff that kind of thing. There's one tenth of one percent. Right. Right. Right. But it could also be that look he works so hard these things are going to fall through the cracks. You know he says 95 percent of my time is I'm not doing anything like this. That kind of thing. But either way the problem is he's already been found guilty of doing the thing. Sure. So he can't really reduce the damages. Can it. Or is it just

like see he's a down home country guy. I think that's a large part of you think that means more like humanizing him. Yeah. That kind of thing. OK. And the mom and pop aspect of it. Sure. Because it's just a small propaganda outlet. That's true. That's true. He just puts his pillow. Nightly news at this point is you know a limited amount of employees that he has. And yeah the perception is is kind of making it more normal. Right. As opposed to the absurdity that is. Right. And that that continues even into this next clip which actually just made me really really sad. When did you start bringing on other hosts to have their own programs. Let me start the nightly news in like 2000 2000 15. I don't have the exact case.

Alex knows damn well that the nightly news started in 2011. But that would make his operation look much more professional if he were to be aware of that. So it's pretty important that it started well after the period of Sandy Hook. Even worse is that Alex has completely forgotten about his original companion show the Info Warrior featuring Jason Burmese. That show was on in like 2009 and really Burmese did so much for Info Wars in those early days in that era. This omission is insulting. In fact in court I poked you and said you forgot about Burmese. You sure did. Really sad for it. Again though it's definitely not in Alex's best interest to present the image that he was producing other shows on Info Wars at this point in his career.

Like I said this is a mom and pop propaganda outlet. Absolutely. And it can't possibly have been the big boogie man that led to so much pain. No he wasn't the CEO of what maybe what Owen would have to eventually describe as a mainstream media TV studio. No no no no and I mean it goes all directions that you know we're we're a small thing don't know other shows. I put in an honest nine to five day at work. But then of course there was actually another question about like the working on Edmund stuff. Sure. And he's like yeah I do extra hours. Right. So of course he does extra hours on that. He doesn't get nine to five but still you know folksy and also you know the money. Let's talk a little bit about where you get your funding. When's the last time you had a

a corporate sponsor for Info Wars. Be a big one. Yeah. I had some corporate sponsors when I was against George George Herbert George W. Bush and the war. Sorry what. We lost a lot. We ran to war but we still had some big ones. We had like car companies clothing lines everything we were making a lot of money to expand the operation going back to about 2005 up to when Obama got in and then being anti-war was not allowed anymore for whatever reason. I wasn't anti-Obama was anti-war. So I continue with being anti-war and we lost all our sponsors. I guess Alex is just forgetting about his decades long business relationship

with Midas Resources and his couple of attempts to branch out into selling his audience to a multi-level marketing scam. That one was fun. How he took a bunch of money from Mike Lindell and my pillow pretty recently. Sure. And his affiliate links with my Patriots supply. Wow. Sure. These are respectable sponsors like a car company but it's pretty important to pretend that Alex had no institutional support around the time of Sandy Hook. Yeah. It was nothing. It was just him in the wilderness. See this is why he's lost so much for having his principles. This is why you have to tell people you took one and you go with Diamond Gusset. Sure. And you say we took one sponsor and they couldn't even get anybody's jeans right. Diamond Gusset jeans and then we

were done self-funded from there on out. I think it would be really difficult to pretend that Diamond Gusset decided not to sponsor Alex's show because he was against Obama. Yeah. That one might be tough. That one might be tough. Anti NAFTA commercial. I do like his bullshit on this one. I was too anti-war. Right. Like a thing that people would believe him. Yeah. Where to hide your guns. Oh we don't want to be involved. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Whoa. Sure. Anyway. Alex decides that you know maybe a good idea would be to try and red pill the jury. Yeah. He did do that. And so this is one of a couple of instances of that. Well take that clip earlier there. They are at the beginning of the clip. I say I believe Carl Lewis is real. I believe

her son died. I'm very very sorry. And they cut that off the front and then they cut me saying I'm sorry off the end and they brought a real clip but it's synthetic to try to see what I hope you get to see the real clip and then you'll figure out everything else that's been going on. You'll see all the bullshit man. Yeah. Yeah. It is. That was a moment where I was like holy shit. This is this is can't this can't be allowed to stay. There were so many times where it was like he was trying to argue that like listen you and I both know what this is really about to the jury like he's saying to the jury like hey listen I know you know that all this glitz in court is nonsense. Watch the clips in there. Absolutely. You'll see that I'm right to convince

them like listen you're going to be one of us at the end of this trial. He believed that. Yeah. It's crazy. This is a tough way to become an info warrior trial by fire in the crucible. You have accidentally enlisted. Oh boy. Yep. So another moment that I found particularly distasteful is when he started talking about his products. Do you sell vitamins. Yes. Are your vitamins FDA certified. No they're not. Why not. 1996 law the FDA has no over any nutraceuticals not the ones that hold foods not the ones that G and C and not ours and ours are private labeled top brands that are sold whole foods G and C. We haven't made by the top lab recognize in the United States all we use put our label on it so we know it's triple tested the highest quality

and that's what people love it because it is the best out there and I'll give it to Whole Foods and I'll give it to G and C and others. There's all sorts of crap you can buy a gas station out there. That's not what ours is when we buy our PQQ and then CoQ 10 from the Japanese under oath I'd like to tell you that the fourth of July special is still going. I am so mad that I wasn't allowed to laugh the moment he was like we buy our PQQ from the Japanese like Holy's like everybody in the courtroom is going to blow what the Japanese everyone. Everyone knows that the Japanese do not sell their PQQ to anybody. What are you talking about. What is happening right now. Yeah. The way you said it the way you delivered it to like

Holy shit I'm going to blow their minds. Yeah. God damn what a what an insane person. Yeah. Yeah that that really threw me for a loop. Wild. Yeah. And you know that he had to have given Reynald that question to prompt him to sell. Well no I don't think so. I don't think so. Maybe in Alex's head. Okay. I would imagine that Reynald believed that the setup of the question was to facilitate the say like exploring Alex's revenue sources in as much as he sells vitamins and people look down on him because of it but they're actually good. Oh I bet that that is the thrust of the question in the attorney's mind. Right. Not that Alex is going to talk about getting PQQ for the Japanese. Right. See this is where I feel like trying to apply the rules of normal logic to

what's going on is because it's clear that Reynald thinks something is true and Alex thinks something is true. And despite the fact that they're supposed to be on the same team it is not the same thing. I think that's probably a fair assessment but then again we're kind of you know objection speculation. We're on the outside. We're on the outside. I get it. I get it sustained. Yeah. So here Alex lies. Let's discuss for example email. How much email does info wars routinely get? I mean I know when we looked to comply with the discovery which we applied with it was over 10 million that they had a search that was still in the inbox unopened. So it's 10 million unopened and a few hundred thousand opened. So Alex has said that he complied with discovery which is going

to be a problem later. Oh yeah. I know immediately later because he says something else. How many employees would info wars have to have in your view if you were to actually read every message every email every tip that sent in. It would take 10 15 20 people we go bankrupt which we are now. Going back to I want to ask you a question. There's a attendance been thrown around during this trial of the truth or community or truth people. What does that that really depends on you Mr. Brinkson. Whether you think I need to hear them now or later. All right. We're going to just just sit back for a second. We're going to take a break.

So Mark has stood up and said that we need to make a contemporaneous motion. Yeah. It is because Alex cannot say that he or his company are bankrupt in this part of the trial that they're in at this at this stage. That's a claim that he could make in the portion about net worth which is separated from the compensatory damages phase of the proceedings. But it would also probably be inappropriate at that point since it's not true. This is why Mark asked to make these these motions. Alex has now said that he's bankrupt and that he complied with discovery in front of the jury which are both deeply inappropriate things for him to do. Can't do it. He raises this concern Mark does and that leads to Judge

Gamble dismissing the jury and then saying this. I remember today watching part of Hesselman's testimony when I was coming here and him talking about bankruptcy. So I thought that was totally fine. I mean he gets to what he gets to do. Mr. Jones stop making just stop. Okay. Just stop. Yep. He is confused flummoxed. Oh yeah. And then this is the last clip from day one. And I think that this was something that was pretty cathartic for a lot of folks. Mr. Jones you may not say to this jury that you comply with discovery. That is not true. You may not say it again. You may not tell this jury that you are bankrupt. That is also not true. You may have filed for bankruptcy. I don't know that but I've heard

that. It doesn't put that doesn't make a person or a company bankrupt. You're already under oath to tell the truth. You've already violated that oath twice today. Just those two examples. It seems absurd to instruct you again that you must tell the truth while you testify. Yet here I am. You must tell the truth while you testify. This is not your show. You need to slow down and not take what you see as opportunities to further the message you're wanting to further. And instead only answer the specific and exact question you have been asked. No asides. The comments about discovery. The comments about the larynx or whatever it was. The comments about bankruptcy. None of those were responsive

to questions. They were just you abusing my tolerance and making asides to the jury improperly and in at least two cases untruthfully. Do you understand what I have said? Yes or no? Do you understand what I have said? Yes I believe what I said is true. Yes you believe everything you say is true but it isn't. Your beliefs do not make something true. That is that is what we're doing here. Just because you claim to think something is true does not make it true. It does not protect you. It is not allowed. You are under oath. That means things must actually be true when you say them. Don't talk. You understand what I have said. I do understand. You don't talk there is so intense. Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah I mean the the I believe what I said was true and the response

to that is at the crux of why debate with someone like Alex is pointless. Yep. There is a complete disconnect from any objectivity. Any any belief in a reality that exists outside of what you want to be true. Right. And that is hard in a courtroom setting. Yeah I mean you know we've we've said before like any communication begins with the definition of terms kind of thing but that cannot be possible if somebody is speaking bird while you're trying to speak English. You can't be like oh okay cheap cheap means no it's just not going to happen. Yeah you can't do it and so I can I could talk to birds man. I mean it is it is satisfying to hear somebody have to be like listen objective reality is real. I don't know how to like she's flabbergasted by the idea that that

needs to be introduced into court. I have to introduce to you bedrock concepts. Yeah of object permanence. What is that is this a desk. Tell me what is and is not for you so we can continue. Don't speak. Exactly. I think that and I was I was subject to this as well. The notion of Alex being under oath in those first like the first deposition that came out. Yeah you know there's a lot of people who are excited about like the idea that Alex is finally going to not be able to lie lie right and and I myself was intrigued by the possibility maybe and I think through watching them and engaging with the trial as it proceeded I was not expecting the same things that a lot of people might have out of this trial right and I feel for the judge for

sure yeah having to having to preside over this is a impossible task and the notion that I think a lot of people are entering this with or the perception is that this trial it doesn't exist in the context of the case that preceded it right you know like you see her being kind of annoyed and it's because Alex has pulled this shit over and over and over and over again and and you know I think in one interview that I did I can't remember who was with it but I made a point that like she looks like she's pissed off but she's being so patient oh sir the context of this is missing yeah if you only watch the trial yeah and if you only watch the trial I could understand coming away from it with the perception that like she's not giving Alex an inch oh yeah

whatever but there's a reason and that's that's unfortunate that you know there's not a previously on yeah before the trial and it is such a thing where she is doing such a great job because she is giving so much preferential treatment to the defense like you know and let me try and explain that better so it sounds like you right right right so if Alex was a normal person the fourth time you tell them they can't lie on the stand there has to be some consequence that's when you bring out the stocks exactly do you know what I'm saying but a normal person would never let it get that far so we don't even know how to deal with this because you if you do that that's what he wants he wants you to say oh I I have to go to jail for lying they're locking

me up for telling the truth right you know that's what he's going for or like hey Alex why don't you put that bumper sticker on your mouth for real absolutely so there's just talk so there's just this constant push and pull between her being like I have to treat you like a screaming whiny baby and at the same time I have to treat this like we're in an actual courtroom yeah you have to be treated like a screaming whiny baby because that's what your behavior is exactly and at the same time you have to be treated like an adult because you're facing adult consequences for your adult actions and yeah it's a it's a it's a difficult position to be in yeah I mean I'm not I'm not jealous of that there's a lot that she wouldn't have ever allowed the plaintiffs to get away

with legally simply because she's like your adult I have to hold you to a standard that I'm not holding these fourth graders to and that she did give them that preferential treatment is both like starkly unfair and yet at the same time the only way to have this trial well to be to be totally fair the it's I don't know if you it's appropriate to call it preferential treatment but gave a lot of patience a lot of wide berth sure like all right I'm not going to hold you in contempt right for clearly lying under oath for doing the thing that we hold people in contempt for right yeah right there was a lot of a generous approach to to punishing Alex right and he still couldn't operate within that space couldn't do it so we go to the second day now because the this is you know where

the that took the break for the day it was about five o'clock right and so Alex returns under oath and there's still the direct questioning Ray Nall is still giving him questions and unfortunately the law and crime video of this is missing the first 10 minutes or so and so the beginning of this is establishing that Alex kind of like had less connection with those weirdos than maybe he actually did right right right this is the part where he's trying to say that he really didn't know Steve or Wolfgang or especially not the Kraken Steve under the bus pretty hard real quick I would not be happy if I was Steve reached out for comment Steve which is on the subject which is funny because in the first week of the trial Steve Pachennik was one of the names that Ray Nall

brought up to Becca being like whenever he was on his array of do you think this person's a racist do you think this person's a racist do you think that Stevie P's name come up as as like a defendable name along with Stefan Malinu like it was absurd is Stefan Malinu racist yes yeah yeah he said so real loud it's Steve Pachennik a racist I don't know he's definitely he's definitely his weird feelings about Jewish people hates them so um yeah the the beginning portion of this is really trying to downplay the connections and Alex's associations with the major players and some of them I think are kind of like yeah you could you could actually get away with this like I don't think that him and James Tracy had that much sure connection sure I can see that and

I think Alex should be hanging his hat far more on the fact that Paul Joseph Watson's interview with James Tracy the initial one was like a little bit adversarial yeah maybe not as much as a like an actual responsible journalist would share Paul did push back on the idea that there were actors right right yeah in the same way the court grades on a curve for the fifth graders Paul has proven himself to be in seventh grade yeah strong yeah so um Steve does come up uh here and uh Alex has an interesting perception on what he did during that time you interviewed Steve Pachennik about the the story why did you pick him did you reach out to him did he reach out to you how did that I reviewed the video but it was a few weeks ago I mean I I believe he was on other

subjects and I believe it came up or and then I believe I if you're talking I think I argued with him about it being totally staged and then I found it hard to believe this isn't really accurate Alex didn't argue with Steve but it also wouldn't it would be a mischaracterization to say that he gave Steve a full backing right in his claims right Alex was interested in the theories and was like oh we got a top expert saying it's fake but he didn't really commit to it in that interview and Steve was on for something else he was pretending to be Alex's on the scene reporter in the demilitarized zone because Alex was trying to drama panic about how North Korea was going to start a nuclear war god I remember that he said he was in Korea mm-hmm he said he was inside

hanging out with soldiers from both sides country of Korea yep yep so from Florida he claimed that I have no evidence he might have eggs no I think that there is a really decent chance that he was on a vacation to South Korea because I have seen some pictures that he posted of him in various like all right sort of touristy places well done well done I'll give you that one that's possible and then he just pretended he was at the DMC all right we're not doing we're I'm not doing DMC but I'll give him vacation yeah I think that's possible okay so in this course of questioning I think that Alex the goal that he had was to present this image that like his life was really in trouble around the time that Sandy Hook happened poor me yeah yeah can you tell us what led you to

have Wolfgang Halvig on in 2014 he was on a lot of shows and he had a group of bullet points and my producer set him up on the show so I had him on at the time what if anything else was going on in your life my uh my family was falling apart um I was under force staying so weird like attempt to paint a picture of like if you're if you weren't getting divorced you wouldn't have booked Wolfgang Halvig on your show yeah that's weird this this got weird mm-hmm yeah this whole section where he's his whole woe is me thing was I mean I know that they wanted it to come off as though he was like a person who was also suffering but it really just came off more like are you

gonna do this here yeah it it was strange yeah um and he also tries to blame Steve more which I if I were Steve I would not appreciate and I would probably attack Alex because you're a crazy old man and you got nothing to lose why not yeah we've had a video received in evidence of you stating your belief at that time that no one died at Sandy Hook that the whole thing was fake do you understand as you sit here today how crazy that is I have said before that there have been so many lies and so many things in the past and I was under a lot of pressure and I truly when I said those statements when I say something I mean it was totally staged at that point and I was basing that off of

really Steve Puchenik who is a that's been a very prestigious person do you understand now that it was absolutely irresponsible if you do it was especially since I met the parents and I would say it's 100 real as I saw the radio yesterday and as I said here your state it's 100 real and the media still ran with lies that I was saying it wasn't real on there yesterday it's incredible they won't let me take it back they just want to keep me in the position of being with Sandy Hook man my son got confronted yesterday projection speculation is what the media wants Mr. Jones is just being on the show staying whoa is me Alex is the real victim here although I think Steve needs to get on YouTube and cut a video about Alex something throwing him under

the bus yeah yeah he wants to be the the one the media claims is the sandy hook man yeah come on yeah come on Steve wow start a public battle that would be great for both of them yeah but mostly for me but then who's David Knight gonna side with oh boy I feel like it's all old dudes against Alex okay old dudes against Alex's young guards shirts versus I would like to see David Knight and Steve Pajanic reach Daytona over some kind of a like that would be nice that's a desire to spill the tea on Alex for a lot a final team up of grumpy old men three also kind of by the way what is this the first time that Daytona and spill the tea have been used in the same sense I don't know I don't know the

French had a lot of things to say correct what accurate no that's going off the rails fray this is a this is a testimony worthy of this trial so I Alex says something about his realization that sandy hook was real in this next clip and I found this deeply troubling at the end or at the middle of 2015 in July 2015 you stopped info where stopped covering sandy hook yes why did you stop because how big was saying that I was involved in sandy hook because I wouldn't have him on and I started finding out that some of the things that the anomalies they had put forward weren't true and I just ended my divorce and just kind of was got my head cleaned up and

stopped drinking for a while and realized that it probably did happen and I was probably you know I mean it was a good chance I was wrong so I started basically trying to walk it back long before I got sued because I wasn't sure that I was right anymore not everything's a everything's staged so this is disturbing because there does seem to be a pattern of Alex discussing his drinking as it relates to his actions involving sandy hook we've seen it in an interview and now under oath and honestly it's indicative of a very serious substance abuse problem drunk or sober Alex is an asshole and deserves the consequences of his actions but I want to draw sharp focus to the difference in how Alex talks about the issue depending on his

surroundings here in court Alex is discussing his realization that sandy hook actually happened about some time in 2015 there's absolutely no prompt for him to bring up that he had stopped drinking for a while as an explanation for his supposed period of clarity but he does which leads me to believe that it means something to him I don't think that it's true but I do believe that he probably was going through a lot and stopped drinking for a while around the end of 2015 this is all being said in service of humanizing Alex and minimizing the things that he did he was going through a lot and was drinking a ton but once he got sober he realized that he was wrong and changed his behaviors except in reality he didn't he was still doing his show wasted years

past this point and he didn't change his behavior in any meaningful way he still just ran with bullshit stories from bullshit sources and defame people regularly but he wants the perception to be that this was just a bad pocket in his life when all these negative influences led him to drink and his judgment was weakened he doesn't want the jury to know that he got right back to the heavy drinking and bullshitting with Steve Pacanek basically the next week because that kind of cheapens whatever fake display of penitence he's trying to put on here but the other time Alex discussed his drinking in relation to sandy hook was a lot different in the Glenn Greenwald Q&A Alex was joking about how he defamed grieving parents and caused immeasurable pain in their

lives by saying that he didn't know what he was doing and drank a bottle of vodka that day yep it wasn't a person expressing this as a negative thing it was Alex trying to appear cool because he wanted to impress the cool kids like Greenwald who can give him access to a new audience I find this dynamic deeply upsetting and the only conclusion I can come to is that Alex was drinking on air a lot during this stretch and that he probably has a way bigger problem than even I think and I have been chastised for begging people in his life to get him help a bunch in the past that's true anyway a lot of this falls on deaf ears to me in a courtroom setting like I would take him more seriously if he took the tone that he did in the Q&A while on the stand but that's

not going to happen because there's no cool kids to impress there yeah yeah but if he was on on the stand he's like I don't drink a bottle of vodka you know like I would be like all right this is interesting being an asshole that's consistent how do you say that in the in a courtroom how do you do that because to me what you just said is nah come on it wasn't that bad whenever I hit him I was drunk driving right like I don't know how you say that in a courtroom and in a situation that is ostensibly you also saying that you believe it's 100 percent real but you were only drunk driving because you're in an ugly divorce exactly but but even then you're saying that really is ex-wife's fault you're saying that you said that when you were drunk and now you're saying that

it's 100 real are you drunk or are you sober and does it matter I mean if that's why you're if that's your reasoning here then it doesn't matter you know whenever when they reported he said it was 100 true there's a part of me that's like well was he drunk because that doesn't mean yeah right then what it means the same amount either way right I mean it's just a it's just a way for him to contextualize his actions by looking at his past self as the drunk self exactly and that's not me that's a different no that's that can be definitely true for people who get help sure like I'm not saying that you know who you are when you're in your addiction is necessarily who you have to be for the rest of your life for sure recovery is possible and all that right

but Alex has not done any of that stuff and so him trying to pretend like this past self is somebody that I own up to being and it but it is not characteristic of me is a it's a false perception it's an abuse of people's understanding of of substance abuse problems yes he mushrooms with Mike Tyson on his fucking show a month ago yeah or whatever no I mean part of it listen you do have to own up to consequences for your behavior regardless of whether you are an addict or not that's part of recovery you know that's part of what it is yeah and he's not even owning up to his behavior in a fucking courtroom right yeah because all this is in genuine and just an attempt to feel less bad about himself absolutely this is this whole situation is not about the

parents for him it is entirely about him trying to feel good about him yeah and trying to make a rationalizations for things yep so the crack in comes up Dan Badandi Alex definitely does not want to be associated with him which makes sense yeah during that time there was a reporter working or there's a gentleman who at least we've had yeah you shouldn't have said reporter remember at some point for info wars named Dan Badandi are you familiar with that yes can you tell us who he is he was a part-time reporter weren't supposed to say that was a really nice guy but we were we were we were being more comedy based part of the show then and so Rob's like this guy is like a Howard Stern character and so we hired him to do some funny stuff that he wanted to do serious

stuff oh man he's like your whack pack um so the comedy that Dan Badandi was doing was things like going to that FOIA hearing with Wolfgang Halbig hilarious hilarious or like when he interrupted the Boston bombing the the the press conference that the police were giving while the Zarnab brothers were still on the loose and unidentified right but at least he didn't at least he didn't say that he was specifically harassing people he said he was being a hilarious jokester right I mean look this is such bullshit yeah um for every reason oh man so many reasons and Alex saying that like he didn't approve of this stuff like go back and listen to those Boston bombing episodes where he's like over the moon and just like it's celebrating Dan

Badandi interrupting this press conference and yelling info wars calm yep and like yeah you you approved of all of it you're making a joke of serious things that's what you were doing with him and you just don't want to own up to the pain it caused yeah so this whole defense has largely circled around the idea that you have to watch the full clips so at this point Reynall puts on a very long video oh yeah of Alex's now the things that are a problem here some of them we're going to get into but also the video includes Alex repeating yep the claims yep that Wolfgang Halbig correct said so this is supposed to be his big apology yep at the same time he's like why did the school have no traffic online yeah it's like okay yeah you know all this isn't true yeah

yeah it was wild for them to insist on playing the full clip the full clip of which was more damning than the shorter clip yeah I would argue so outside of the um the just the repetition of Wolfgang's points and the conspiracies around Sandy Hook which I don't think helped their case nope there were some other things that I thought would be interesting to point out here's the first one so let's look at these stories here I've been here a Zoom cartoon based of course on my original term uh dinosaur media you've got ISIS working with MSM CNN you've got NBC they're down here in the water hole getting their money and here comes Stefan Molina here comes Paul Watson here comes uh Cernovich here comes the info wars here comes drudge here comes black bar yeah it's uh back

then Malinu was completely fine to uh put him in there Stefan I am a white nationalist Stefan Malinu Paul Joseph Watson you know you had uh you had a real different uh climate in the time that Alex made this video so different yeah all those players are so different well I mean they didn't have to snub Malinu because he spoke a little bit too openly shouldn't have spoken like a if I were Malinu I'd be pissed I know like all of you assholes all of you guys are open white nationalists now why don't I get to be coming back did you ever see that video of Owen Benjamin after the intellectual dark web started not liking him huh there's a video of him drinking beer and complaining about all the like intellectual dark web people who don't like him anymore

because he got kicked off twitter right and it's just the same thing like I understand that like yes you should be pissed off right your friends who don't like you anymore because you spoke too openly about the things that you all believe you all believe the same shit absolutely you just said some slurs yeah and all of a sudden you're too toxic yeah to be a part of I feel like Stefan Malinu should definitely feel that way like the content that he was putting out when everybody was buddy buddy with him is just as offensive as the stuff that he puts out later yeah a little bit clearer yeah later I think I think the way that I would describe the feeling that they must have is like they're all over the line like these are all people who are Wiley Coyote who have already

jumped off the edge of the cliff and if you say the slur that's like you telling everybody else oh look we're floating and then you fall and they're like good thing we're not floating we're so we're just standing on solid ground I honestly was never running with that guy to begin yeah I've never even seen look at how far down he is that's so it's crazy how far down he is yeah yeah so Alex discusses in this clip that they're playing in court this coverage of him that is actually pretty good um you there's some one person who's done a great job this is an excellent article from zero hedge alice jones and pours NBC and not to air interview with lyre mega kelly this article better than anyone i've seen i want to post on info words.com

exactly how i feel what's actually happened is from my bankcoin.com originally it's from zero point now is who posted it this this article i need to get this person to write for info words they absolutely give my stand the journalists they actually reported on what i said they showed my quotes going back over years saying i don't know what happened but it's got more holes out of the swiss cheese and you know uh i believe kids die but it used to be investigated and there's definitely a cover up zero point now is the person who wrote the article that owen was relying on when he defamed uh haslund yeah so owen is zero point now's puppet yeah yeah well i mean literally zero point now i bank coined according to under oath owen under oath yeah his puppet

he's his puppet um yeah so it was just interesting to see this uh pop up here because this is also in a very close time frame with when owen made that video because alex is talking about how he doesn't want the mega kelly interview to air right so it's after he's shot it but before it airs it's in that pocket and then owen shoots that video pretty much closely after the mega kelly interview airs as a response to it so what you have here is alex wanting to hire the person who wrote the article that owen relied on to create defamatory content yeah yeah fun yeah yeah it is it is amazing to me that one the defense only used the plaintiff's evidence which is usually a bad sign uh and two that uh in so doing they have made the plaintiff's case really really well

i would think so yeah so rinnell comes back and he wants to have alex say that sandy hook is real and not a conspiracy he wants that so bad so here's the first attempt here we go as you sit here today what are your beliefs around the sandy hook school oh i certainly studied it now and i should have a better job studying it that's an apology right there was an initial cover-up of what happened in mind of you because i'm sorry wait are you questioning sandy hook on the stand they're going to uvaulty those children really died and they had a cover-up there it's admitted there's now state investigations of the cover-up texas rangers are on it and the governor said

it's an outrageous cover-up uh and it's incompetence is what it was and i thought it was incompetent what happened in florida a few years ago and well i mean sustained what's the question yeah so alia rambles gets caught off into talking about uvaulty yep there's a because he he latches on to the idea of a cover-up yep and he feels the need to defend this cover-up idea so he jumps to uvaulty gets a gets an objection so now here's the second attempt let's go for it again my question was as you sit here today what is your your position your view on what happened the murders at sandy hook elementary school in 2012 a young man on psychotropic drugs and the inserts on those say can make you do

mass shootings mass murders as he says it on the insert i think we're coming really close to himself here i'm re-objecting it for you so okay staying so alex now says uh his pharmaceuticals talking point and feels the need to defend the pharmaceuticals talking point um and so he goes down that road hits another objection yeah and so at this point reynaul just gives up yeah he's quit he said i'm gonna move on and then alex of his own volition decides to try a third time yep and he whiffs it again here we go i'll move on you're asking what i i think sandy hook happened and i think it's a terrible event and i think we need to protect our children from mentally ill psychopaths and we and i think there was a cover-up because they had warnings the

fb i knew about it they knew he was planning to attack the school that's been in the even the new york times and i think once that when you object again i don't understand well right now there's actually no question you're just talking all right and this is not a question and it's not a show it's a question answer to the question asked of you so that objection is sustained and we need another question yeah so alex had three tries there to say something yep very simple so simple and could not help himself couldn't do it creating conspiracy yarns um so we have one last question from reynaul i just hope in my entire life that i never hear mark say something with the amount of smile in his voice yeah i don't ever want to hear that that's a bad sound getting close to

contempt that's a bad sound that makes me feel like some danger is around the corner yeah and it should because it was so like i said reynaul has one last question yes uh that we're going to look at and uh it's a doozy when you look back on your 20 plus years in the media what are you most proud of i'm most proud of 9 11 early on exposing that the wmd's worn in iraq and it was a fraud and it was a lie close and i'm very very proud of being the first to expose jeff rieppstein and his child trafficking ranks we're on record to be the first to expose that decade before anybody else by name and even exposing the island and the rest of it from our sources so alex definitely wasn't the first to report on wmd's in iraq and the questionable

intelligence surrounding the story even though he was correct to be skeptical of that story his skepticism was childish and it was just a knee-jerk response it wasn't based on anything other than his own whim so i guess he can brag that he got that one right but he can't really take any credit for doing any work on the subject or even covering it competently as we've seen his iraq war coverage in 2003 is embarrassing stuff from the insistence that the bath party were being reinstalled to rule the country while debathification was taking place to his unsupported weeks-long assertion that sedams kids weren't killed and were in belarus with their father they still are to his really shitty coverage of david kelly's suicide the larger picture that you

get uh from that time is of a person who's not really worth accepting as a source it's not worth it yeah he wasn't the only person saying that wmd intelligence was sketchy and the other people who were expressing that opinion didn't overwhelm that accurate opinion with an avalanche of embarrassing bullshit as for epstein i really want to challenge this because i don't believe this at all i've listened to alex from a lot of periods of his career and i've never heard him bring up epstein except after larger media covered the story i don't believe at all that alex was covering epstein let alone covering him by name 10 years before the mainstream i believe that alex has convinced himself of his own bullshit like we talked about earlier from as far back as i can

find alex basically believes the satanic panic type stuff was real things like the mc martin school case were actually real and he based a lot of that off that insane shit that ted gundersen apparently had told him i do accept that alex has talked about his fantasies of satanic groups kidnapping and abusing children for a long time and i think what he's done is retroactively connect epstein to that coverage so he can claim use on the story all along like how his first documentary was about the great reset right right i'm open to anyone providing me with evidence that alex was talking about epstein by name about his island and the sex crimes 10 years before everyone else and if they do i will reevaluate my position but i've looked and i can find no evidence that

this claim that alex is making is true at all i've even looked through the alex jones prediction section on his website where he posts all the videos of him ostensibly being right about all these things way back in the past i can't find any video of him being way ahead of the curve on epstein and thus this answer alex is giving feels accurate he's asked to say what he's most proud of in his career and what he comes up with is one story that half the country got right and the other is something that is almost certainly not true there's nothing in his career to be proud of he's spouted meaningless bullshit for two decades and i'll definitely applaud him for dragging it out that long but beyond that his career has meant nothing but other people's pain and

profiting from it yeah yeah if that was if that was me i wouldn't i would have said nothing i would have been like you know what i'd really want to answer this question we've launched so many media stars like reset wars oh no that's not good uh what else do we got um i've made a lot of money jacar ejection published a children's book i think that was pretty cool that was after uh ever wars uh oh anyway cross examination starts oh boy this is fun and fireworks happens a little bit down the road yeah but first mark's initial strategy in the beginning of this is to impeach alex as a credible witness and so to do that he sets a couple traps where i talk to you about the details of the history of this case i want to know you taking this job seriously you're approaching

it in good faith absolutely okay the truth is you and your company want the world to believe that this judge is reading this court proceeding to make sure that a script a literal script is being followed that's what you want the world to believe right okay aren't i barred from talking about this i'm asking you the question mr jones the way court works is you answer a question until there's an objection let me ask you a question again mr jones make sure you understand it very clearly you and your company want the world to believe that this judge is reading this court proceeding

so that a script and i mean a literal script is being followed that's what you want the world to believe that's what infowars when i believe when you're given a court order that you cannot say you're innocent that that's not america and the court order is right there on the table i've been told i can't stand innocent so you need to answer the question that is asked i asked you this question yes or no that's what you want the world to believe no i believe the jury's real and i believe that i that i believe that i'm innocent till proven guilty and i believe a jury should decide my guilt your honor at this time we'd like to offer a clip from infowars on friday for the purposes of impeachment in which those exact words were said whoops whoops so that happens

and uh then it immediately leads into another trap one of the things you've been talking about a lot recently on your show uh even within the past couple months is your allegation that government officials are aiding in pedophilia child trafficking and the grooming of children right well do you mean like what cheffrey upstate did with the cleanse sure if that's a yes is that a yes uh yes okay and on thursday you and infowars started connecting those allegations to our judge didn't you no in fact mr jones you're telling the world not to believe what happens in this courtroom because the judge worked with child protective services who you say is involved with pedophilia and child trafficking correct not all of it but it's the texas youth commission

got caught doing it and a lot there's been a lot of that here i'm not asking you that mr jones i'm asking you you're telling the world not to believe what's happened in this trial because this judge is involved with cps who is working with child traffickers in pedophilia correct no that's not what i'm saying okay your honor at this time we would like to show a clip from mr jones show on thursday where those words are said oops and there's of course a third rate why wouldn't there tell you this jury you're taking this trial seriously but you're telling the world that someone inside travis county government rate the jury summons and picked these jurors specifically who don't know what planet they are on correct that's what you're

telling the world i'm saying that that that that could potentially be a danger if they don't know what's going on because potentially that's what you're saying potentially you didn't go on your show me say those words is what you're gonna tell me i can you show me i would be happy to please do this is a impeachment we would like to now offer a video for mr drone show on friday saying those words this reminds me so much of the the deposition where it's like okay how have you we're on try number three how do you not realize that when he says did you say those words he's going to play the clip right but you know answering yes is a chaotic option that is true that is true but you can't be you have to answer be like you have

to answer yes it's a show like you have to answer with yes and then something you can't say no because he's just going to go that is a let's go to the clip that is an option yeah but no matter what what you end up with is like okay we have demonstrated that alex is an untrustworthy person sure is this is all bullshit it's not a witness that you should take seriously right right no you see that no winning position no that's true no no no so mark tries to bring up the um the video that rain all played and the whole thing about how hey um you just repeated all the claims uh about the school not it being real and you realize that if you do that then you are once again denying sandy hook yeah and i think with this is a this is about two minutes and it is a really good

encapsulation of why it is useless to try to get alex to recognize points that he doesn't want to recognize yep do you remember them talking about the fbi crime stats saying no one killed in sandy hook that you read in that 2017 that was the headline just what headline your headline that means that but that's what it said now it didn't mr johns you admit that now the fbi did not have a i mean i admit we later learned that in the full report they don't report those in that state they do i think everywhere else mr johns we've heard a lot of testimony about the fbi crime stat and how that got wrong we heard that from mr salazar were you in the report room for that i think i was a different part of it okay so you probably heard mr salazar how he messed that up

right i mean i think we admit we messed that up right but you were still saying it in 2017 at a time where you want this jury to believe you were saying it really happened you in 2017 were saying the fbi says nobody died i said it on the video i thought i'd have one five times yeah just like meghan kelly said in your interview you want to have it always don't you mr johns no i think sandy hook happened yeah but if sandy hook happened then that means there's not an fbi crime stat we had nobody died it means that there was website traffic it means that nobody ate their food inside the school all these things you're saying are false right i'd have to review all over again you two minutes ago we saw a video of you saying no ent's entered the building do you

remember that you remember saying that i mean i never see the timelines what you're speaking about i'm asking you if when we broke from your break when your attorney put up the video that you really wanted this jury to see how fair you were being about sandy hook you said no paramedics entered the building right in a certain time frame what do you mean by that i'd have to see the time frame you're talking about what do you mean time frame you said they never entered the building never entered it that's what you said well you said that for years i think you're taking out a contract right because they had to keep them out of the building because otherwise you'd have to pay up all the ent's because they'd get in the building and they'd see there's no bodies

that's what you told your audience you've told them not many times i don't remember what you're talking about see this is the next stage of the you have to watch the full clip never gonna win because they watched the full clip and now uh it had some stuff that alex probably didn't realize or forgotten was in it didn't want that um and so now these are questions that are coming up we have watched the full clip oh it's out of context i need to see the timeline yeah or whatever there's always going to be an excuse for why there isn't complete information in front of you uh that that is exculpatory in some way for alex and it's bullshit yeah it's fascinating to me to listen to this and to realize like this is also confirmation bias they watched the clip and saw what they wanted

to see and then we're like well obviously this is a great clip it didn't even occur to them that the other stuff inside the clip could also be used to question alex well i think i think maybe they approach it from maybe a perspective that i had when we were going over the sandy hook uh immediate aftermath um and that is that i had a singular focus on trying to figure out like the actual literal claim of actors sure and so when i was going over the time frame in 2012 into 2013 there was a uh like alex isn't quite there yet or whatever you know yeah we did have that conversation and um through the case and understanding a little bit more about uh what was going on and and and all that like my perspective has changed in terms of like oh yeah you said it was a false

flag like immediately yeah basically yeah and had different uh incarnations of what his theories were and stuff but i when i was approaching it with like the most generous possible approach and reading of things i might have heard him say something like why didn't the paramedics arrive or whatever and not be like okay this is him denying sandy hook and i think that probably when looking at the clip there was like he didn't say actors anymore right right right and i think that that that might be just part of how they are oblivious of what is being said to them i i i also feel like you just brought up a really really good point in in the way that you view that is like when we talk about denying sandy hook or alex denying sandy hook i think a lot of people are

talking about him saying this didn't happen right what it is is a an amorphous blob all of what he has to say is denying that sandy hook didn't happen in a sense like okay so he's saying i 100 percent believe it's real but i question the official narrative that is just part of the amorphous blob of denying sandy hook so when he says that what he's really doing is signaling that he's still denying sandy hook on whatever level he can cling to so there will not be an a resolution where he says it's 100 it's 100 real if he also says but i don't question the but i question the official story right you know what i'm saying you can't say it's 100 real and then rattle off all of uh wolfgang how big's reasons why he believes exactly yeah yeah and if you if

you're even saying that there are things to question then you're saying that you were right to question them and you are saying that there are questions which there weren't about sandy hook i actually have to take issue with that okay because i think that first of all what alex was was doing wasn't questioning and so you're falling into the framing there totally um but fair enough because i think that it is okay to question things you know like if like what is a journalist doing other than asking the who what where why when how i meant when he was in court that day when he said but i still i question the official narrative in court i mean that outside of that you know like well question the official narrative is okay until you get an answer and he had answers well i mean

yes that is that is what i'm saying in 2022 if he's saying right i had i had questions if he still says i have questions about the official narrative in 2022 exactly but i think that was a no no that was in december those last year yeah 2021 my bad my bad you know i'm so unspecific that's my problem so mark uh the big big moment uh in the cross examination of course is the revelation of these text messages beautiful moment we all loved it um but i think a lot of the coverage surrounding this is missing the point of these text messages obviously there is the juicy idea of what could be in there of course i think a lot of people are setting themselves up for real disappointment like this is heraldo found everything in that safe this isn't based on any

kind of like inside information that i have or anything so like don't don't take this as like me being like i know x y or z sure sure sure but i see stories about like the notion that trump's raid was about alex's texts or sure january sixth is going to be blown wide open and i think that there is a there is a uh uh desire to expand things and like take the what ifs and and create give more credence to them yeah and i think people are falling into that whether it's through headline writing or tweets and i would advise caution just to like hey we'll see what happens we'll see what's there sure but let's not write a story in advance right i mean you get that though you hear we have this uh how can we not say it

tranche of text messages and and you your main your mind immediately goes to like oh what could be yeah and and you can't not you can't not think to yourself it is entirely possible because we live in the weird world we live in that alex roger trump and mike pompeo might have had a group text where they're like let's overthrow the country on the sixth like you can't not think in your brain like that kind of ridiculous thing is possible the world has gone cuckoo right but then you also have to remember no that is not how it works and these are alex's text messages this is not a big player in the game you know yeah and there may be pieces of information that are relevant to things and we'll know when we know exactly but for now don't get ahead of yourself because if you do

you end up cooking yourself or backing yourself into a position where you're like you've basically created a storyline and if reality doesn't live up to that it's disappointing yeah and i think that i think that uh we we've learned anything in the past couple of attempts at impeachment yeah we maybe should be a little careful about setting expectations in a reasonable place but the reason that i i i where i started with this sure i think that the media is absolutely missing the concrete reality of the text messages use in this case right and why they came up in the cross-examination in the way that they did and so mark begins to get into this and this is really where the paul text is most important do you remember were you here from mr schroeder's testimony

yes okay you remember what owens said the company has learned from its mistakes about sanctor you heard that oh i did hear him say that you agree with that yeah we've certainly learned from our mistakes got a lot better okay mr johns i'd like to show you what's been marked as plain as said at 130 you've got it upside down i forgot that moment this text message is between you and paul isn't it and they mentioned sandy hook don't they yeah plan to smooth 130 into evidence so the lead into this question is about owens testimony that they had learned from sandy hook and their behavior had become better um and so that's why it's important uh how this is revealed right mr watson has sent you a screenshot from info wars dot com correct

it appears to be yeah and it has an article here right yeah and it says stage video shows hospital using dummies in er for coronavirus footage that says i believe so let's go to the first message from mr watson um read along with me mr johns he says yeah this is a sorry see what's there no problem take your time yeah this may not think it's a problem and it's a real one

just give me a second it's a problem for me all right go ahead mr watson says this is a video of a medical student training to innovate makes us look ridiculous suggesting this means covid is fake sandy hook all over again are we that correctly yes here's the next message what'd you tell mr watson i get it mr johns it's true that this article is right now live on info wars dot com i control that right i've never seen this text message i guess you guys got paul's my phone didn't save him um so that's a sad uh response because

alex has already said that this is his phone and these are texts between him and paul yep um and so the the notion here is uh the setup of the question is you learn from sandy hook you agree with that that's what owen said yes here is a text during covid that paul was telling you this is sandy hook all over again with you doing this bullshit about fake uh patients in hospitals to pretend that there's covid patients in the hospitals yep and you said i get it yep i understand that this is sandy hook all over again and the article is still live today as we are in this courtroom oh yeah this is a damning uh picture that is basically no you have not learned from sandy hook no not only have you not learned from it when reminded this is sandy hook all over again

when you're in the middle of a lawsuit about this sort of behavior as it relates to sandy hook you say i understand i get it right and i don't care right and not just that it is not a message from like you know your son or or or just some stranger it's not a random email it's a message from your literal head editor for your most of your career mm-hmm yeah you should pay attention right yeah and the person who like throughout the course of this case has had maybe the only moments of like someone having clarity right you know like in his deposition there's a reason that paul's not getting right right absolutely because there is documented evidence of him back then saying cut this out yeah this is bullshit no he's he's literally the guy who is like he's the

person if you had listened to him you wouldn't be in this situation if we were in a movie that's different from the one that this trial turned into uh which was astonishing but paul would be the guy who gets roped back in for one last job but in this movie paul's like no this is a terrible one last job i'm not going to do this one last job you guys go do the one last job and then he's watching them all die like that's what's happening he's he's um like he sucks obviously but in the the lowest of low bars he has cleared it um in terms of like he has not stolen one hundred million dollars from a bank congratulations you are not being prosecuted for stealing one hundred dollar million dollars from a bank it's it's wild that you have this situation where

paul is if you'd listen to him you wouldn't be getting sued you wouldn't be in the situation crazy and then you have this text from fairly recently of if you just you should listen to him and you should not have had this text exchange because it illustrates how little you give a shit and that doesn't play well no no no i love that the here's the movie because this is the perry mason moment the perry mason moment well the perry mason moment's coming up right right right but mark dramatically revealing we have all your texts right the parody is whenever he goes you're reading it upside down that's where we that's the encapsulation to me of this like moment in testimony is that combination of like high drama like i have revealed fucking tom cruz's

text messages to you right now and then the fucking hilarity of like it's upside down alex so anyway alex tries to spin this and he's trying really hard to figure out like what what the fuck can i do here i've never seen this text message he can choke i guess you guys got paul's my phone didn't save him so that's fine your phone didn't save the sex here we go i told you guys i gave it to the i gave it to the lawyers and said they drained the phone they'd find that stuff i don't have my phone it's the lawyers they're supposed to find this that's what that's your testimony is no i searched it as well i mean so you guys have all this stuff that you say me to give me anything mr jones you know how an iphone works right you've had an iphone sex message even for several years

yeah what does it mean if the messages are blue whose messages are those whose phone is this taken from i don't know this one's taken from i mean i just i turned the phone over and said take the stuff off can i have you look in the very bottom below the very bottom left corner is that your phone number yes so you did get my text messages and then said you didn't nice correct so this is the beginning of the perry mason moment and this is like this is what all of the you know john oliver show and like all the clip shows they run this moment and i understand why because it is i mean it's made for tv i mean it's literally made for tv it's evocative like bill said in our interviews like the biggest legal moment it is yeah i mean it doesn't get bigger

does it um and i i understand that but i because of the way our show works and and stuff i'm so much more interested in the reasoning and the context towards so you have that paul reveal um and then the reveal of the text messages and the nature of them comes and so that's that's here let's all enjoy that okay so you did get my text messages and then said you didn't a nice trick yes mr johnson indeed you didn't give this text message to me you don't you don't know where this came from do you know where i got this no mr johnson did you know that 12 days ago 12 days ago your attorneys messed up and sent me an entire digital copy of your entire cell phone with every text message you've sent for the past two years and when informed

did not take any steps to identify it as privileged or protected in any way and as of two days ago it fell free and clear into my possession and that is how i know you lied to me when you said you didn't have to text messages about saying you did you know that i see i told you the truth this is your perry mason moment i gave them my phone and mr johnson need to answer the question no i i don't know what's happened but i mean i told you i gave him the phone over and you said you said in your deposition you searched your phone you said you pulled down the text did the search function for sandy hook that's what you said mr johnson correct and i had several several different phones with this number but i did yeah well of course i mean that's why you got it no mr johnson

that's not why i have my lawyer said it to you but i'm hiding it okay mr johnson that's uh mr johnson oh i love it yeah where yeah uh yeah i mean like all of these attempts to wiggle out of this i just feel like have backfired for him and made it worse do you know what the craziest thing the craziest moment because whenever i went back through all of the stuff that i i have written yeah there were so many moments that i really that you do just lose because it's absolute non-stop insanity but the craziest one was on tuesday uh day two or day one of the trial proper you know the day after jury selection the opening statement yeah yeah in the middle of one of the breaks alex is talking to the hbo uh documentarian on stream and at one point he does say they don't

have my texts mm how crazy is that how fucking wild is that that was the wildest thing like going back to irony i was like that can't be real and i checked and i it's it's crazy well again we have to make the point that could have been talking about other texts no no no that your tweets may or may not depict reality they absolutely do not so yeah yeah who knows if that conversation even happened or you imagined it fair enough fair enough so alex has now said that he searched his phones course and didn't find these things right and so mark has to inform him uh that uh hey buddy you may have just committed perjury that's not good mr dunce in discovery you were asked do you have to send you hook text messages on your phone and you said no correct

you said that under oath is you guys didn't you i mean i was mistaken i was mistaken but you you got the messages right there you know what perjury is right i just want to make sure you know before we go any further you know what it is yes i do i mean i'm not a tech guy i told you i gave in my testimony the phone to the lawyers before whatever and and so you've got my phone but we didn't give it to you no mr johns one more time please remember if you need to assert that the minute you can't i need to know that you can't do that but you testified under oath previously that you personally searched your phone for the phrase sandy boat and there were no messages you said that under oath yes and you said no i did not lie who whoops ouch when you say something

that is then later found out to be not true right under oath and you knew that it was not true right because it was you who said you did it and you didn't yep what is that called not good yeah and turns out also applies to his emails uh oh i mean i i quit opening email and using it before sandy good okay so you have in other words if somebody was to tell me oh i have emails from mr jones that he wrote about this case in the past couple of years that person will be lying you're telling the truth somebody else has got my info words email because i haven't been using it at all in the beginning yes it's not qualified mr johns you know in this case you were asked to produce your emails any emails you had about sandy you know you were asked to do that right yeah

you said he didn't have it i told my it people go you've got all that stuff no mr johns i'm saying in deposition under oath sworn to god you said you don't have any emails for sandy hook because you don't use email right i mean i i think i had i mean i haven't been using info words email and it's gotta be a decade for or longer in my memory we're with info wars dot com email no no it's not what i'm saying he keeps trying to bring it back to info wars emails as opposed to another email thing and what mark is doing is very clearly trying to establish like you lied again because i have an email uh well um but like the the attempt to wiggle out of it is just the constantly bringing up info wars emails and it's just not it's not gonna help earlier in the

trial uh reynald try had been talking to daria as the corporate representative that he objected to and then talked to her as the corporate representative um he had said like alex doesn't have an email address right and she's like oh when he did he'd get a hundred million thousand emails a day so he got rid of it as though that would be later the excuse for when now happens yeah how did it go not well not not the best so we go back to the text messages now we've already illustrated uh that um paul had texted with alex and told him this is sandy hook all over again uh i i get it uh is the response and now there's some other texts here from tim fruget who's the business manager right of info wars and so here's how this goes this has been

marked as plans exhibit 132 do you see that yes those are text messages of tim fruget the operations manager of info wars right yes and we requested information about your revenues in this case you remember that yes didn't give us this did you there's a lot of stuff i mean yeah you didn't even look through your text messages mr johnby hit it right correct no okay i gave it to the lawyers that's why you have it i mean this is ridiculous yes can we um no yes i'm sorry can we move to admit minus 132 at this time any objection minus 132 is admitted before we put that up mr jumps i just want to make sure you understand something about these emails you understand that when your attorney sent me your whole fund

he didn't mean to do you understand objection your honor that's what a measure this is not discovery well i i do think it's important that since we're discussing this that the jury understands discovery is a process that occurs and concludes well before trial um um what the lawyers say is of evidence so we don't know whether it was on accident or on purpose yeah we do we don't we don't have evidence about that but what we do know is that it wasn't properly turned over when it should have been there's no question mr johnson yeah okay so there

is a fair um objection there yes because you're asserting that he did this accidentally true you can't prove that can't do that um i mean kind of but what you have is texts about finances that are like here's the numbers for this day um and then uh alex just didn't turn those over right that's bad that's real bad it does appear that i do think i do think there's an argument to be made that you can say that he didn't mean to do it because the reynald did email back like please disregard yeah which isn't legally but it doesn't mean anything but mark hasn't introduced that that's true sorry so he can't he can't do that now without without right without doing all that then reynald would object to privilege yeah it would be a mess the court is unaware of

that email response right um so one of the things that's uh critical about the revelation of these texts is that they illustrate financial information that was demanded and ordered from alex right that was not turned over but more for my purposes yeah they also reveal that alex is full of shit mr fruge fruge how do i say his name mr johnson fruge all right so mr fruge you would agree with me but pretty much every day he sends you an update on how much the store is sold and sometimes he lets you know how much profit you make right yes okay and in this message he says 110 gross sales and food equates to almost 70k pure profit that's what he told you that's what that says that's that's not what it does so i have a question about it so okay so look this makes total sense yeah why like alex

has said that there's a 20 to 40 profit margin on the food and like you just let that go and you're like oh yeah okay i guess that makes sense he's not paying anything for the food it's not like he buys it from my patriot supply and then sends it to people yeah he's not a resale no he's essentially getting a cut of what the the business that they do yeah there is no overhead no it is all pure profit yep um so that also illustrates that the thing that alex testified to earlier which is that the 20 to 40 profit margin is a load of shit yeah he makes 100 he has no risk uh no exposure on the food maybe things are different with the private labeling maybe with his supplements and stuff sure he has to buy a bunch and then resell it possible but yeah for the food that's not the case

at all i mean they even did like drop shipping from the my patriot supply facilities god so 70 k so only 110 units is 70 000 in pure profit right i think that's crazy i think that that probably is an unreliable statistic to like universalize because oh no i wouldn't i wouldn't have a different sized uh buckets and and things that they sell so like it's not a uniform commission i imagine sure sure sure uh but yeah even even considering a percentage of the total but still is pretty sweet not a bad gig pretty sweet money all you have to do is say stuff and then they give you money um all you have to do is convince everyone that they won't get food tomorrow and they need to buy food buckets you're gonna die anyways buy these two buckets yeah so here is marx

dismount and then i think we saw your revenues from 20 so we saw a few months of 2015 on the game of that document right do you remember that document do you you relied on and testified about plan this exhibit 30k i mean i saw it yes okay not a couple of months from 2015 on it but not a whole lot of sales on that right probably so correct so we're mainly just talking about 2016-2018 right you remember that 165 million you remember testifying yes okay and i know you testified about your profit margins but i think we've seen that now that you were saying that that's gross so that maybe doesn't we have to calculate what your profit is right okay let me start i needed yes or no yes thank you after seeing all of that all of those millions of millions

hundreds of millions are you aware that your attorney has already this this is what you should pay for the damages that your company admits under oath through your corporate representative cost were you aware that a dollar are you aware yes i know we were do you agree with it do i agree with it a dollar is that we done i'll pay for you are we done what is the newer times do for a lot about wmds i don't think there's any point in asking you any more questions okay slamming the door yep i don't think there's any reason to ask you any more questions what a great way to just call it yeah oh so good um so yeah uh you know this again a little theatrical in as much as you pull out a dollar and be like this is it is this what we're

doing come on give the man his moments no i i'm fine with it in this context but uh but yeah alex can't answer that question absolutely not um and then reynaul as one question on redirect yeah um this is very funny is so funny whoo you trusted your lawyers to produce the relevant documents yes you cooperated with us in every way yes you trusted us to do a good job and turn over will we need to turn over yes when we're supposed to turn it over yes no further questions yep and this is the end that is that is one situation where alex did not realize that his lawyer was no longer working for him his lawyer was working for reynaul yeah cover your ass yeah baby alex should have said no to all of those questions

yeah so this uh testimony took uh place over the course of tuesday and wednesday yes tuesday afternoon wednesday morning then there's closing statements and then um we get the revelation on thursday that alex is hit with the compensatory damages of 4.1 million and uh as this news breaks it is past the point that alex is on air uh and so owen is hosting the war room at this point complaining about i don't know the chinese sure probably that sounds right um and so here's him discussing that the the judgment has come in a lot of people are tuned in right now because the news is broke about the first verdict in the sandy hook case and they got a four million dollar judgment never had a trial by jury judge just decided guilt and now they got a four million

dollar verdict which is i mean the they were shooting for 150 million you know because they got a line their pockets i guess uh whoever's getting that money i don't know where that money goes cherry how that would uh absolve any emotional distress but uh okay so there might be a statement from alex jones soon he might go live he might pop in i don't know it's it's it's we're on a titanic right now playing the violin okay and well it's good news i've got all the news to cover and that's what's so sad about it is uh nobody else is gonna cover this news it's only info wars is gonna cover it and now we won't even be able to cover it so just stay tuned there will be a statement from alex shortly can't cover the news too busy playing violins that is such a funny whiny way of just

oh look now i can't even cover the news see now that now who's the victim look what the sandy hook parents have done they may be unable to cover the news isn't that what he's saying isn't it kind of what he's trying to say you know like look at what these people have done to me and who knows where that money is going what an asshole really trying to make suspicious the idea sure of a lawsuit and so he's right alex does pop in later sure so that's one thing allin's right about he's got he's he's winning in the talk show prediction race yeah second thing he's right about alex was filming a statement before he came on and so here is that we're going to go to that uh right away the democratic party the entire corporate media lined up against info wars and the american people's

free speech the judge more than 20 times in the last week and a half in austin texas told the jury while i was there in the courtroom and it was on national tv that alex jones is guilty the lawyers for the plaintiffs asked for between 150 million and three billion dollars when the jury came in this evening with 4.2 million dollars i admitted i was wrong i admitted i made a mistake i admitted that i followed disinformation but not on purpose i apologized the families and the jury understood that what i did to those families was wrong but i didn't do it on purpose i didn't lie about wmds and i racked millions of people on purpose i questioned a public event because i saw anomalies and others saw anomalies and the jury understood that and awarded 4.2 million

dollars now that's more money than my company and i personally have but we are going to work on trying to make restitution there oh what a great guy wow so i think the three billion number is meant to make the judgment look even smaller sure i was trying to figure out where that came from and i think it's the sales figures um that mark showed from the text messages um that fruget was sending over okay during c pack uh they were like it was like what 800 000 a day a day yeah and so this extrapolated out to like 300 million in a year over 20 years over 10 years sandy hook sure i think that that's what alex like they i don't even remember if mark made any statement of three billion right but it's like okay you made 300 million dollars a year 10 years since you've

made in theory three billion dollars yeah since then i think that's where alex may be taking that number from but i never heard that as like what he should be penalized yeah i really really really really wish that the way that that amount of money was reported was based on why it was chosen yeah like i understand that the 24 percent of americans is 75 million americans so the idea is one dollar for each american right there's a symbolism yeah but it kept going back to like oh they want money oh they want money or it was about how huge the sum was if they'd really just like listen the sandy hook uh families believe that they that because of alex alex owes them one dollar for person that believes that they're a liar you know mm that makes sense to me and it

also makes it feel like the judgment isn't that high because if you'd said that they owe 10 dollars per person i wouldn't think that that's a huge judgment and that's 1.5 billion dollars true so there's that and uh the other the other aspect of it too is like you know you don't start a negotiation low oh of course no absolutely not you know it it's it's a number that you don't necessarily expect you're going to get sure and then the misunderstanding of the symbolism i agree with you that could have been the symbolism was what was really important about the money and not the money yeah and that's what was so frustrating yeah yeah and so alex's statement goes on now here's the next phase of this when the judge realized that when i was on the stand

i woke that jury up and laid out the facts she ruled today of course he did the punitive damage phase that starts tomorrow i cannot testify and my lawyer cannot put on evidence so she already found me guilty and told the jury i was guilty and now she's saying we can't defend ourselves in the punitive damages phase i trust in god i trust in the truth coming out so this just isn't true uh reynaul gave a defense in the punitive phase of the trial just as west did for the plaintiffs the defense wasn't able to call any witnesses because the purpose of that phase of the trial was to determine net worth of both alex and free speech systems and after repeatedly failing to provide ordered documents and repeatedly

sending in incompetent corporate representatives the judge sanctioned alex's defense by disallowing him from being able to participate in the net worth discussion at this point essentially this is not a silencing or an instance of alex being jammed up it's just another case of him not doing the bare minimum he was required to do in the discovery phase of the case and now it's too late for him to pretend he wants to be involved plus alex violated the rules on multiple occasions the prior day including lying to the jury by saying he was bankrupt so on that count alone he should not be able to be a witness in this part of the case he lied on under oath nothing that he said can really be accepted as credible so his evidentiary value is zero unless he were to have

produced the documents backing up what he says which brings us to the next problem one of the primary things that was brought up as it relates to his text being disclosed was the messages from Tim Fruget which discussed detailed breakdowns of sales numbers these numbers did not match the revenue numbers that alex has claimed and even more importantly the existence of these texts which were not turned over in discovery reveal an attempt to hide information relevant to the determination of net worth and the company's value there are three major reasons that alex is not being allowed to be a part of this phase of the trial and it has nothing to do with the democratic party or conspiracy against him it's the simple consequences of his stupid actions you can probably

get the basic tone of this announcement already it's alex taking this four million dollar judgment quite in stride because it's much lower than he was probably fearing his tone is essentially no different than when he's gotten other bad news in the past where he's using it as an opportunity to fundraise off of it more or less trying to get the audience to flip the bill for him so he can remain insulated from the consequences of his actions it's pathetic but it's what you'd expect because he's always been able to do this before whether it's his dad paying for the medical bills that kid he almost killed or his dad buying advertising on his show so a radio station would air him early on or the audience donating to his suspiciously timed money bombs or this

suspiciously timed eight million dollar bitcoin donation alex has always had people to bail him out of the trouble of his stupid actions and he probably thinks based on this four million dollar figure this is just going to be another in that series yeah and there's very little reason for him not to think that uh yeah i mean if if if it were me in alex's shoes i would have received that judgment as a massive victory um but that's only because if it's me and alex's shoes i much like alex have forgotten that there are more trials coming i have completely forgotten that that means more judgments are coming as well true so i am i'm overjoyed i'm announcing my victory over the democratic party it's it's a thrill because of the midterms it could have been worse

yeah it could have been worse yes um yeah so yeah uh the plaintiff's lawyers though they were not happy about this they don't like that alex won at the end of the day i don't have all these millions of dollars they claim i have so i'm at peace but this is still a major victory for truth and the plaintiff's lawyers got upset in the courtroom and according to multiple witnesses were screaming and yelling at my lawyers joe and andino when they were in the hall they thought they would get hundreds of millions of dollars we don't have they thought they would shut us down but that jury understood the truth and resisted the propaganda this uh does not at all match my experience with the plaintiff's lawyers i mean i don't know i don't know who these two sources alex

has but i think uh they're lieutenant kernels probably it is it is this exact video that it should be played further in in in the other trials just because this was after the judgment yeah if you think that damages are going to make him stop and he can still be in business that is not how this works he's in there and he is doing his shit or he's out there is no getting him to moderate yeah but i i think that's difficult to i mean i think you and i can say that sure saying that in a legal setting i think is well presupposes that you know 100 the future which you can't do in a court room i assume right but it also presupposes that like it is appropriate to be like i want to bankrupt him as a punishment and i don't know if that is necessarily i mean healthy it's it is but

it's not like i mean i feel like this is so important it is not that but it is when you're bankrupted well i understand bankrupt i mean i mean this way if the points of the trial if the point of the damages is to punish someone to get them to stop their behavior right and this is what they do after that judgment then it's not about money at that point it has to be how do we make this behavior stop so i don't care if the judgment is ten gajillion dollars or it's literally just a guy going like hey listen you gotta turn the lights off that's that's just what's gotta happen it's not about the money kind of thing you know what i'm saying i just think it's difficult to translate that from what i think you're saying that makes total sense in this conversation right

to a courtroom i think that's a challenge impossible um and it's also incredibly difficult because you know when you have something like this happens it's just an opportunity for alex to you know trick his audience into being like i give me more money now listen we're in bankruptcy right now listen we're maxed out listen asshole the crew employed we are fighting hard for your first amendment your second amendment your tenth amendment your sovereignty not your fourth you want to keep us in the fight we have a plan to stay on air through this bankruptcy we have a real organization plan but if you don't fund us if you don't buy products at infowarstore.com we will shut down it's your decision just like that jury had a decision right now on whether info wars is

going to stay on the air we are so broke that i'm not even worried about that four point two million dollars i'm worried about our bankruptcy to emergency stabilize info wars and we have a plan but to do that we need support so get a t-shirt get a book get a film or get some of my supplements that under oath have been proven to be great wild just wild shit i mean what do you expect it's exactly what you'd expect yep now what i didn't expect was that is for this announcement that alex makes to go the direction it does because when there's a direction to go from there yes oh god he starts talking about neil and scarlet no what no no no no no no no mic mic down mic down my god get them all at infowarstore.com and keep us on the air that is so critical because they use these

families as pawns the families come over and shook my hand and hugged me and really woke up the fact that they'd been manipulated and their own lawyers went like they were dogs get over here and stop talking to him on video i was wrong sandy hook happened i admit it happened i'm proud to admit it happened because when i'm wrong i admitted i don't make mistakes on purpose we're tomorrow's news today we're 95 accurate but these people tried to misrepresent what i said to these families they showed them edited videos they showed the jury edited videos and it backfired in their face big time yeah so he's creating this perception that like neil and scarlet are info warriors now yeah yeah they woke up to the fact that their lawyers were manipulating them into doing this case yeah

i realized that my comments about the previous clips had come too soon and i would like to reiterate them about that clip but like twice as much yeah yeah it's bad yeah that's fucked up yeah it's bad and it's even this is that no it can't get worse it does oh god i told and my lawyer told that jury i said listen we want to pay for their psychological stuff we want to take care of problems we didn't cause all of it but we want to step up and prove that and do that and scarlet lewis has a beautiful organization called choose love that isn't about gun control isn't about liberal conservative it's about teaching children love and compassion so they're not hateful so they're not satanic so don't kill people and i have invited scarlet lewis on my show

we're going to email organization if i see her tomorrow during the punitive phase i'm going to shake her hand and give her my number and i am going to gladly have her on my show next week and i'm going to raise money for her organization on top of the big judgment because she's a real lady she lost her child and i'm not going to elect these people misrepresent what i said and did anymore and claim that i'm the sandy hook man this is a beautiful time it's a great time and the trial lawyers the ambulance chasers lost america and the first amendment one and the poor parents that went through so much neil hezzelin and scarlet lewis they have won as well so this is a big victory an answer to prayer thank you so much to viewers and listeners

where continue on as long as you support us but we're so close to being shut down so please support us so we can have scarlet lewis and neil hezzelin on i'm going to take them out to dinner their lawyers are going to try to stop them i mean i literally yesterday saw them neil tried to follow me out he shook my hand he goes hey buddy i want to talk to you i said yes sir please come out their lawyer said get over here to him i'll never talk to them like a dog i'll see you tomorrow on the friday show so it's strange to hear alex say that he and his lawyer said they wanted to pay neil and scarlet's medical expenses and such because i was in the courtroom during reynell's opening statement where he asked the jury to return a

judgment of one dollar in damages i do recall he asked the jury he held a dollar up it was very dramatic was uh he was referencing yes it was it was a callback yes you're not closing statement in the cross examination of alex yeah alex is such a disgusting liar and this is just an attempt on his part to exploit his audience's obvious lack of awareness of what's actually happening in the trial scarlet wanted to hug alex and realize she was being used by the lawyers he told the jury wanted to pay their expenses all this is complete shit and more importantly alex knows fully well that he's just lying to his audience so they keep giving him money and then also like the scarlet has a great organization his corporate representative daria under oath testified that she suspects

that it's a front yep also uh this is alex's attempt to portray himself as the good guy which is all based in bullshit further he's putting neil and scarlet into a trap where he's casting them as characters in his personal image rehabilitation as far as the audience is concerned they either get to play along and act how alex is setting them up to which they aren't going to do or they'll be seen suspiciously by the audience all over again why aren't they speaking out in support of alex after they realize that they were being used by the lawyers to attack the first amendment maybe the evil lawyers won't let them or maybe they're they just said that to alex to pacify him during the trial and they actually are in league with the deep state democrat lawyers after all come to

think of it that would mean that they would have to put on a pretty good performance to trick alex of all people what if these people are actors after all maybe that's not the direction it would necessarily go but alex is forcing neil and scarlet to exist in terms of his bullshit show into the future because creating these fictitious pictures of them is helpful in terms of making alex feel better about himself what he really should be doing is leaving them the fuck alone which they've wanted all along but alex is kind of like a child who's broken something and then is trying to clean it up but he doesn't know how to clean so in the process he ends up breaking more stuff you just want them to stop trying to help because they're not helping and they're just

making things worse but they're a dumb kid and they don't get that he's kind of like that kid except he broke that original thing on purpose he claims that he didn't and then he's breaking other stuff to distract from the mess he initially made it's like a sociopathic version of that kid who broke something yeah he's a fucking asshole yeah that's that's so fucked that's but that's another part of the amorphous blob of denying sandy hook that's it now i get it i say sandy hook is 100 real because i've changed the goalpost to now the lawyers are manipulating these people that is just the same thing it's all one right big thing it's not that he denied sandy hook happened it's that sandy hook is part of whatever it is he wants you understand that that is exactly

the model yes you have you have you have to play the full clip absolutely play the full clip oh i need a timeline you have a timeline there's gonna be another excuse and even like think about it in terms of world events like you have this lead up to the 2016 election it's like we need need to get trump in because if you have a democrat in oh it's so bad trump gets in oh no there's enemies within the deep state is that's why everything sucks right yeah it's it's always something else the conspiracy in the narrative has to shift because that is where the money is right that is where the ability to keep his audience interested is right without that like oh we we won or oh i was actually wrong let's move on right doesn't play there isn't an angle he's just a coward well

yeah that too yeah so he does have the balls to show up on the info on the war room oh boy hard-hitting interview with oh enjoy it's got it's time it's time he had an adversarial conversation with the press um he might have an adversarial conversation with oan once the paychecks stop clearing but uh that would be a good time to start for now it's friendly so alex has recorded this um announcement and statement and he comes on with oan and a lot of it is kind of rehashing some of the same stuff um but he has some other things that he says that i think are really shitty well i might be going down with the channing but i get the first exclusive interview with alex jones play that violin baby person on

earth right now no not very good news about covid being made in a lab no not because he covered jeff repstein while everyone else was covering it up no not because he told you about the globalist corporate world government with carbon taxes but no because they think they've destroyed him now and the lies get to permeate on twitter but alex you're not allowed on there to defend yourself that's right and here we are the jury came in on the big verdict tens of millions spent by the democratic party law firms and the jury came in at 4.2 million when they asked for 150 million two days ago three billion yesterday i don't have two million dollars in the bank or anywhere seems like a bland version of triumph for him you know like he's there's a victory to it but it's

also right also they they didn't spend tens of millions on that no case um so i guess but you need to think that because then you win they're down 10 million i'm down four million sure but they're down so much right trying to get me right and uh yeah that's that's the perception that alex wants and i don't i don't think that has any bearing on reality yeah alex can't be like listen the law firm that there specifically went through uh the lead plaintiff's attorney said that he only eats what he kills so obviously they spent yeah yeah yeah so it's a low verdict according to alex on war room the good news is it's a very low verdict for what they're asking for the bad news is we don't have the money to pay for we can get a bond and appeal it we're gonna move forward that's why

explain to listeners you want to see the war room or you want to see alex shows or you want to see herons and smith or you want to see uh just everybody that's on band out there everybody else if you want to see what we're doing here we need your support at infowarstore.com and i was going to testify tomorrow which under texas law imputant damages you're supposed to have the person under attack testify the judge ruled after the ruling today when they got that low ruling sounds like a lot for the average person it is a lot but for what they were asking for it's small that i cannot speak tomorrow and my lawyer cannot put on evidence because we're defaulted so she gets more and more desperate as she rigged this whole thing oh so it's rigged but no matter what the

judgment was he would not be allowed to participate there's no bearing on any of that i mean you just can't commit perjury one day and then still come back the next day particularly about financial stuff but but even so like the the sanctions uh in terms of the you know the default judgment like he a big part of it is not cooperating with this stuff there was a time to provide that evidence and he very much didn't and was given multiple opportunities to clear that up and fix that he didn't you don't just get to like swoop in and be like aha yeah now i will reveal uh every yeah you don't it's not others works yeah it is it's it's that example of uh you're never going to win you know like with alex yeah he lives in a reality where he always wins yeah so you're never

going to get him to be like oh you're right i i i fucked up you know in a way that means anything it's too threatening exactly so he just switches into a different world and if he's guilty in this world he's going to switch into a different one yeah it's crazy yeah the mcu but it's a bullshit yeah so uh obviously this is all just trying to get money and alex thought he'd be making more money honestly and he's a little disappointed but i'll tell you i don't say this mainly the crew we're in bankruptcy right now and i thought in bankruptcy we could bring in the money we needed right now we're not so it's a pyrrhic victory if you don't fund infowarstore.com order a book order a film get bodies ultimate turmeric formula get uh vitamineral fusion get all the great products and info wars

you've invested so much in us we've invested in you we're in this together over the last 28 years on air now is the critical juncture in the fight now is the last few minutes of the basketball game or the football game where everybody is is is in a tie in a dead heat now is the big boy pants time now is the time to decide where you're at you've got my commitment i'll never back down i'll never surrender i'll never go away but i could give out please support us at infowarstore.com it is once again big boy pants time it's a big boy pants time i regret to inform you it is big boy pants time i wish it was burger boy pants time nick weigert yeah sure oh boy that meme someone made i struggled with that a little bit because it's a little unfair it's a little unfair but then also

think about it like you know you're the nick in the the the doeboys comparison sure of our picture of us on right reliable sources right right you're married nicks married okay i am mitch uh i have a cat mitch has cats okay squinty eyes both of us have squinty eyes i grew up in boston for a while he's from quincy i did not know there there were this many similarities there are more than i'm comfortable with it i didn't realize i did not even did none of this even occurred to me do you like hot salad i've never i honestly i have no doeboys references whatsoever i didn't know whenever people whenever that mean thing came out i was like i really don't know who nick and mitch are i was like wait is that i i love doeboys and i would honestly uh if they want me to come on i'm hey

you're available but um yeah the only thing that that you know obviously there's some nuances here and there but i do not think that cakes are pies ah i was like i don't have i haven't shaved in a while that was my reaction to that picture i'm sorry uh cupcakes i believe cupcakes are pies that's that is not a pie no until the day i die that is not a pie no um so yeah that that threw me for one anyway um big boy pants time big boy pants um so in this interview that alex is doing on the war room he frames um the why people are mad about him about sandy hook in a particular way let's correct the record on a couple things here alex the media today says alex jones concede sandy hook happened i believe you did that six years ago we barely covered sandy hook less than one tenth of

one percent of our time but when hillary ran against trump she dredged up things they could question and there was some anomalies but it turned out it probably i mean i believe it did happen so the whole thing about why people are mad about sandy hook is just because a hillary needed to attack trump about something and alex was easy you may remember this as the entire framing device of how sandy hook is covered in alex's war the shitty documentary made by alex lee moyer um and i think that uh you see uh how patently absurd this is and how uh easily tricked uh she was as a filmmaker yeah i mean that is that's that's a moment where you either got to go i'm going to be 100 percent complicit in this savor brawn or you have to go i might be shitty at my job whoops yep so

let's not uh dwell too much on this because we already did that episode and uh i was blocked and then unblocked by their twitter let's not worry about it without doing anything i didn't respond to them at all i have no idea what happened yeah anyway um there's something really terrible about the way alex proceeds uh to the end of this episode in that special report announcement thing he did you know there's a characterization of scarlet neal and it's unfair yeah it's inappropriate but what alex does now is worse i am very thankful to god very thankful listeners and i want to invite scarlet lewis who doesn't have a gun control group she has a group about children learning love and empathy and helping children that are beat up and helping uh people

that are being bullied so they don't become this i totally support her grip choose love she came over shook my hand gave me a hug repeatedly and i told her regardless of this ruling i won her on air so tomorrow i'm barred from speaking at the trial but i'm going to go with a letter i'm going to write tonight and i'm going to hand it to her and anneal hasland who are very sweet people i i didn't question them on purpose i i didn't try to hurt them once i met them i saw god these are totally real people i i was i was brought into stuff that was we's good to question things but you never even said their name i i said hezland's name one time covering the meg and kelly interview but that was it but but but still i do believe that they had some pains

this is harassment like that alex is planning out on air this isn't yeah yeah yes yeah yeah this is i'm gonna go act like dan but dandy their lawyers don't want me to talk to them so i'm gonna write a letter and slip it to them so i can invade their space i'm going to go to their house when their lawyers aren't there and i'm going to slide this letter underneath their doorstep you know like a sane person who's not harassing people would do right wow so anyway scarlet jesus christ in particular alex seems to be wanting to paint as his new best friend this is just awful tuesday i did the morning show for an hour you came in and took over and i said i believe she's a real person i believe he's real i believe they're manipulating him

and i'm sorry it was a ten minute rant they cut it down to a minute with me saying it didn't happen that's why the video was so blurry you couldn't understand it was all blurry it was you couldn't even see me really it was this audio oh my god and i got on stand i said scarlet go to the fourth segment go to 40 go to 33 after in my show today on stand i said watch it i said you're real i said your son's real whoever gave that to use a liar she got up and left came back an hour later crying and was like oh and she came you're right i i you know so so we broke through that they're being handled and manipulated this was so is that the lawyers then giving them edited video we're she said on stand i was given it by my supporters so the point is they gave her a minute edited video

imagine the sickos i'm on everything i believe you're real i believe your son died i'm so sorry i want to work with you and i believe that your ex-husband son died and he's a great guy i think they manipulated him i think he's kind of simple not dumb smart but very trusting he's like a i know he's a rodeo guy he's a he's a cowboy which are not dumb they're just really trusting nice people i have family like that so she apparently went and watched the full video that alex was referring her to she wept and then told alex that she gets it and she's being used by these lawyers this is fucked up i genuinely genuinely think she should sue for defamation like i mean i don't know what else to say about that that is defaming you might i would i would

take that as defaming a character i really would yeah i really would take the idea of you claiming that she a person who i i fucking don't deserve to be anywhere near her she's so strong and powerful and amazing to claim that she is your friend alex jones is so fucked up yeah so fucked up i i i i think that one of the uh you know central things about what makes this so like the experience so painful is that you're being like as the parents of this child who was killed you're being deprived of your ability to experience your life on your own terms someone else is creating a caricature of you and it's deeply painful and alex is doing it again yeah so here's here's what happened alex created a diorama and then dropped it around them and trapped it in there for years for years and

they finally fucking got out of it so alex is just building a different diorama that he's trying to trap them with yep and here's our last clip uh for our episode for today and um i don't know this is like i have no i i have no words for this this is so unacceptable i mean they are they are desperate and then a later break hezzan said hey buddy i appreciate you thanks for admitting my sundown i said yes sir i tried to reach out and and his lawyer went get over here here's the clip right here talk to him like that's one of the clips talk to him like a dog so we're reaching out to them we're going to cadetica we're meeting with them we're supporting what they did we're not going to be kept away from these families and we're not going to be caught in the cia new

world order propaganda operations not sandy hook what's the media control oh and great job and we're gonna stop school shootings too with the second amendment that's right god bless you um so obviously when he says we're going to connecticut that's about his other trial yeah the laffordy case yeah um i think that saying we won't be kept from these families is something that is so wrong um there is obviously the way he's trying to portray it is like me and the families are on the same side and these evil lawyers are trying to keep us apart because of the power that we could have together in this unity and love and all this which is nonsense um but the the real world the place where the real world intersects with this bullshit is exactly the same kind of harassing

behaviors encouraging those from the audience because you know let's say that scarlet or neil or some of these other families don't behave in the way that you would expect based on alex's rhetoric well you should go talk to them why aren't they and if you're not allowed to well these lawyers are keeping them from you you gotta no it's it's it lends itself towards encouraging harassment and i i you know beyond anything that you know we talk about in terms of the lawsuit um this response is i mean i agree with you as someone who has no legal background at all i think this should be caused for another action yeah honestly absolutely um i don't i think this should be caused for god uh creating a mountain so big he couldn't move it writing leave them the fuck alone

on it and then dropping it on alex's head yeah i think you just i mean look i don't want to use the kids terms but you got to take the L on this one alex i gotta just walk away because just leave them alone yes just leave them alone i don't know what kind of bullshit game he's doing to try and save face or create the enemy is these lawyers and not the families and now i'm best friends with them but like that this is exploitative i mean it's abusive it's disgusting and it's the kind of behavior that lends itself towards his audience um not behaving in ways that you'd want i just i believe exactly that what he did was what he did i believe it wholeheartedly you knew it was gonna happen that's exactly how it was gonna go it wasn't going to be a hey listen i'm sorry we're

never gonna talk about sandy hook again it wasn't even it wouldn't even have been just a quick one like hey listen judgment turns out it was better than we hoped for frankly i was fucking up let's not talk about sandy hook ever again now honestly honestly i'm putting the words on the board they're boating now i am going to actually instead that's a great idea but instead what i'm gonna do what you're gonna do i am going to go for the challenge mode oh of life and i'm going to try and pill the family that is for experienced players only i've been doing this 28 years all right i guess if you want to go with the challenging mode i don't know yeah i haven't played dark souls in a long time but it's pretty hard yeah i found this deeply upsetting and offensive

yeah and that is why this is where we break for this episode because i don't know i i don't know how else to like really put a button and stress like that is what alex did after the compensatory damages were right after and it sucks he'll never learn any lessons nope he's a piece of shit yep we'll be back indeed we will tomorrow with another episode part two wrapping this baby up and also tomorrow you can find us on the majority report that's true um so that will be noon central one p.m. eastern yes yeah i don't yeah i can't do time math yes i can i don't know why i said i couldn't anyway uh what are you dr who i'm tired man i'm tired um so uh we're back but tell them we have website we do it's knowledge fight dot com and we're on twitter we are on twitter is that knowledge

underscore fight we'll be back jordan but until then uh uh i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark uh dreamy creamy summer is happening man eat some ice cream and now here comes the sex robot andy in chansas you're on the air thanks for holding so alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you