Knowledge Fight - #722: Space Capitalism Is Still Capitalism

Episode Date: September 7, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan take a Wacky Wednesday breaky to experience Major Solomon Berg's return to Project Camelot.  Last time, he discussed his telepathic communication with a Bachelor Squatch, and this time he explains the fraught history of the planet Mars. Dreamy Creamy Fundraiser (Apiary) Dreamy Creamy Fundraiser (Transgender Law Center)

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creamy summer, of course, is going along. There have been some complaints that I don't do this enough. So dreamy, creamy. So get that in your ears. Sure. Enjoy it. All right. Okay. But yeah, what I want to say about this is that we are, you know, no more requests for buttons. Sure. There are buttons that are going out. Right. People are enjoying them and I appreciate the kind words. Yeah. And people, the compliments to the designers, obviously, of course, done great work. People are very thrilled about this. And I'm very excited that people are donating to the fundraiser for we are, we are so close right now to any donation could put us over the goal for apiary. The 20,000 no shit goal is almost there. It is so close. Oh boy. And then the cheating. If I do it, I feel

like it is. I mean, I've already given a lot to the use an alias that I mean, I've given a lot already, but it's like, I don't know if I should be the one who gets this over the top. That just feels wrong. Yeah, definitely. If you're the one who gets us over the top, that would feel very empty. Yeah. Yeah. Not as much fun. No. And the donations for the the other fundraiser for the transgender law center are coming along quite nicely. And I appreciate everybody who's supporting these trying to use me eating ice cream and making buttons to make a little bit of a difference in the world. And great. It's a good thing to do. Thank you all for joining in. What's your bright spot? My bright spot less inspirational. Finally did some laundry. You know, laundry has that, you

know, that roller coaster laundry where as it gets more and more filled, you're more likely to do it until you get to a certain point where it becomes less and less likely becomes intimidating. Yeah. And there's just so much piling up. And every time you look at it, you're like, I've got to do that, but you continue not doing that. I know that feeling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I reached the point of no return on that. And then finally did my laundry, you know, it was one of those like my last pair of underwear, right, was not underwear so much as holes that had little bindings near it. I get to that point that you're describing there at the end, quite a bit as somebody who is somewhat of a shot in sure, I reach the end of the laundry. Right. And I think maybe because I'm more

acquainted with the end of the laundry, I am much quicker to throw away those things that have holes in them because they get seen by me more frequently. Right. Right. Oh, that's a fair point. Yeah. I don't hide them in the back of the drawer. It is an interesting situation. You know, it is on the other hand, you know, having that final warning pair of underwear. That's the, that's the last sign before Cliff's edge, you know, Red Alert. Yeah, absolutely. That's I was almost comforting now to know that I've got shreds that I call underwear. Yeah, thanks. I mean, if you wait another day, it's all over. It's all over. Oh, yeah. Jordan. Yes, Dan. Today we have an episode to go over and it's going to be some fun. So we'll get to that. But before we do, let's take a little

moment to say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Alex Jones is the perfect Warhammer Space Marine. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you next. Dan Jordan is a Sasquatch hero. You got stars in his eyes. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Picked it up there at the end. I liked it. I liked it. This one. I'm sorry. This is a little bit late. Happy late birthday to Quincy, the thickest with two C's and silliest rabbit. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Happy birthday. Cube watermelon says hi to the home slices. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. And Amy Cramer

Summer. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Also, we got a couple of technocrats in the mix, Jordan. So first, Blast Heart Cheese. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. And Dan likes my stepmother's twang when she calls into Info Wars, though I wish you wouldn't. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow, actually. I'm just going to take a little break now. A little break for me. And then we're going to come back. And I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I got to be taken out of here. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on

and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. He might be. He's not, I'm sure. But we don't know because today is not going to be about Alex Jones. Here is an out of context drama show. I have another witness that said there were nine human AI, but he is an agent for the queen. And so he has maybe a vested interest in misleading me. Yeah, I wouldn't be a little skeptical about that. Yeah, I would be skeptical about that too.

Carrie, hi. We have someone who is a whistleblower for who is an agent of the queen. Great. Oh, I do love the way that you can just drop that so casually if you're Carrie just like, and he's an agent of the queen as though that's not an absurd thing to say. Yeah. Also, probably not true. So if you didn't recognize the voice at the end there, that is Solomon Berg, the friend of the Squatch. Oh, indeed. He made a return appearance on Project Camelot. And so much like when Alex sees Biden giving a speech in front of a red thing, he has got to do an emergency report. Of course. And for us, if there's Squatch Talk, we have to do this as an emergency episode for us. Welcome to Squatch Talk, new podcast. Now, unfortunately, I do want to, I want to say

something before we get into this. And that is that it's very obvious this guy is a listener of our show. Oh, is it super obvious now? Yeah. There will be a couple of points on this episode where it's painfully obvious. I was going to say it was, it was fairly certain if not 99% share before, but it seems like now we're in a different situation. I had a little bit of trepidation even about covering this now because it's so clear. Well, and for two reasons. One, I maybe don't want to blow up his spot. Of course, I don't know this person. So it's not like we're not running a two man game here. No, no, no, no, no. But I also don't want to incentivize fucking with Kerry. Yeah. And one of the things that in like kind of gets me around on I still think I want to

cover this is that I don't think this is a prank. Like this isn't mean spirited. It's not making fun of Kerry for believing that this guy telepathically belong like talk to the squad. No, no, no, that is true. There seems to be a project that he's working on. And maybe I'm being a little bit reading more into this than the needs be. Yeah. But there does seem to be a sense of interjecting like non neo-nazi. Okay, okay. So some of these into space spaces. So we're thinking that someone has finally taken me up on the offer to lie their way into people being good. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I like it. I'm willing to take that bet. I think it's interesting. I have no like involvement or anything with her outside of him just very clearly being a listener of our

show. And yeah, I think as long as it's not mean spirited, we're already in too deep. Yeah, yeah, that first one. We might as well. We have buttons about the squash. We cannot take it back. It is who we are now. We have inextricably tired ourselves to the squash. So yeah, this is a longer interview. Oh, I did. And not much about Squatch on this one. Okay. This is mostly about Mars. All right. And the history of Mars. The history of Mars. Well, he's an anthropologist. Well, you know what? That is a good point. Yeah, that is a good point. He'll get into his mission to Mars and all of the goings on. And we'll see what we feel as we go along. Here is the first clip just because I know you like to say hi.

Hi, everyone. I'm Carrie from Project Camelot and very happy to be here today. So I have major Solomon Berg with me. And this is going to be the second interview that I did with him. And basically we are doing a live interview here. And then I take it offline and I do edit any glitches such as the first one. And then we put it out. So they're doing a live. Sure. That's fun. Right. So she's doing it live. And then she's editing it and then putting it out not live. So just like any other show. Right. But but it was broadcast live. Sure. She streamed it on like rumble or wherever she streams. So like that is that is a like exciting element of this. All right. Anything can happen. It is live. Yes. There's not chaos. No. But one of the things that I kind

of considered when we were listening to the first one was that I feel like Carrie might like not believe this or yes or because it seemed like it might be too much to incorporate. There were ideas that were far more to the left of her political ideology. Sure. Sure. Sure. And I was I thought she'd be like I don't believe this but turns out all in. He's the real deal. All in. It's it's really great to have you on my show again. Thrilled to death to to really do this kind of an interview because as far as I'm concerned you know you're the real thing and I know we have some other people out there that have maybe skepticism so maybe we can kind of go down that road a little bit and you know get rid of a few of their their fears and skepticism and and see if

we can bring them round. But at any rate Major Berg is this we call these this series of the ambassador and that refers to the what a great name watch that he or yeti or you know there's other names for them of course that is in essence an extraterrestrial race of beings that are here on earth with us and and he can explain that. So I think that Carrie is in yeah she definitely is saying he's the real deal but there are some doubters and I think that if you look at the comments there are some people who are expressing like I don't know about this and I think it's because there is a mentality around all this stuff yeah that exists in Project Camelot and a lot of these paranormal or you know space conspiracy worlds sure that has to do with that defining

aliens by their race and stuff like that absolutely the the pre like it's determinative of your personality your tendencies right and bucking that is probably something that the audience doesn't really aren't ready for or maybe have a tough time hearing and thinking is real. Well I mean it is it is kind of that laying bare a certain element of racism which is a shortcut it is a you know as malicious as it is at the same time whenever you move it into this like oh elves and dwarves all have elfish and dwarfish characteristics that kind of thing then you realize that a lot of these people it's not malicious it's just like I can't meet everybody so guess what I'm deciding all elves are the same today that's what it is you know because I just I just I have nine friends I know

them by name and then everybody else is the same that's an awful benign uh version of racism that you're describing I'm no no no I the one with elves is that version you know what I'm saying that that type of situation well and I guess if you know if there is non-hatred that is kind of just pervading this this sort of mindset that does categorize then that is the kind of person that probably would be much easier to grasp than someone who yeah their opinions are backed by hate and so maybe maybe there's some potential there but I don't know it could take a bit to get the audience to accept this yeah you know I mean there is a certain part of me that when you said that they're more left of Kerry's political ideology I don't know if she has like an ideology that is rigid

right so much as something that he's like influenced by whatever whomever is talking to her and I mean you know but she she very much you know through her conversations about the things that she believes true true is almost always on the reactionary right true true and so I find it difficult to categorize her any other way yeah no no you're right and when I say that he's more left I mean just more like in terms of seemingly more about uh civil rights sure sure type stuff yes maybe maybe things that folks on the left are more generally trading all as equals at least yeah so um last we spoke sure Solomon Berg was in a bunker in Israel because Squatch had to get out of the US yeah now they have come back to the Pacific Northwest great yep they've they've returned

uh-huh major Berg can you explain maybe your new circumstances and also speak to the idea that some people question whether this is actually you're legitimate and this is real yes yes so um I have heard from some individuals also who expressed concerns and I wanted to address that and I wanted to explain that I am actually transmitting from a different location um then you previously last saw me at so I'm coming to you actually um from the northeast u.s. um I've come back home I've been permitted to come home with Squatch with the ambassador so he is currently um he's been given some land um that is supported and two acres monitor drones keeping safe um while he awaits transport off world oh wow that he was able to reach a ship operated by his own people

by the overmind and that ship is traveling through a spaceport quarter um it will be here within a matter of weeks and the ambassador will be leaving this planet farewell ambassador god damn it I love I love him being called the ambassador I could not love that more it's a good name it is fantastic yeah and if he needed to he could and if there if there was a revenge plot the ambassador also does revenge you know like if somebody kills the ambassador's daughter that's when you find out he's played by Liam Neeson the Squatch and then it's a perfect name yeah it's it's something that fits in a lot of great places to use that the DJ the Polish ambassador it's a good name it's just a good name throw it in and it has so many great connotations of like this is a person who's coming

yeah exactly what you do no no no but you embass liaison in some fashion when you go someplace people feel good for a while and then there's a war I think yeah and there's brand ambassadors that's a highfalutin title right yeah I mean that is the same thing who gives out shots at bars that's so fun so yeah Squatch is leaving that's certainly quite a development I think he said he's in the northeast I could have sworn he said he was in the Pacific Northwest yeah yeah he might have misspoke yeah who knows maybe Squatch is in the Pacific Northwest and he's in the northeast yeah maybe he was permitted to return home as was Squatch so I mean because Squatch is being monitored by drones so he doesn't need to be there well

and in the in the northeast you're not going to find the suitable no I mean it's just not going to Squatch is is you know Florida or right the Pacific Northwest is an upstate New York no that's not happening no that the Squatch doesn't turn around in the Hamptons and then it's like oh shit I went a little too far nope so yeah they're back better than ever I like a few weeks I like a few weeks as a time period that's great he explains that like some of these ships they could travel much faster but it would be a waste of fuel absolutely that is so fucking that is that is exactly what makes yeah he's talking about how like these these sort of space programs sure that they're conservative in nature not politically but actually no no yeah they want to conserve resources

safety first yeah yeah absolutely it's like that's a well that's a logistical concern that I I guess is absent from so many of these these stories yeah but you know you don't necessarily want to be like oh we're a type two civilization but we still gotta pinch pennies you know what I'm saying yeah that's a little bit that's a little bit disappointing you don't get to be a type two civilization by spending all your pennies either you're certainly not getting to type three you're right you're right nope you're not wrong so uh the skeptics uh have some questions and berg has some answers and I also would like you to briefly explain you know you have some skeptics out there explain you know your rank the military relationship to the military and how that all

works yes I'm a military scientist so I think there were some people who uh were um expressing skepticism about my presentation or my application that I didn't uh seem like a typical marine and that's because I'm not a typical marine I was attached to the marine corps and went through marine corps training um and was given the rank earned the rank of major through a series of promotions but most of the time that I've been part of the marine corps as an institution I have been engaged primarily in research and when I have been on sabbatical from the military I have been engaged in research I am make sense an anthropologist I have been trained in both physical and cultural and anthropology a little bit of linguistic anthropology that's not my my main focus by my

primary focus is cultural and physical with um uh archaeology experience also um and I really am just someone who figures out other cultures whether that is you know foreign to Americans or extraterrestrial um my expertise is people whether we're talking about humans or Draco or uh Squatch um I'm a I'm a people person um so my my sort of focus has always been the social dynamics of uh different uh life forms um and sort of the intersection of evolution biological evolution cultural there's a humanity to the topics that he's talking about absolutely there these are there's a there he's talking about cultures of uh complex groupings of aliens and that it's so much more interesting I know I mean we're not shit talking while he's talking I'm

interested to see like I realize that well it's it's fake but it's no of course it's a more interesting and rich uh world to discuss absolutely than the traditional like oh yes the uh raptors are fighting with the right the Beatles right or whatever and like I don't know I I don't understand why that wouldn't be infinitely more compelling I I'm with you I'm with you and the anthropologist as a sci-fi protagonist is so great it reminded me of uh out of the silent planet with C.S. Lewis whenever he had a linguist be the protagonist leaving the planet you know and it's like that gives you so many options of communication as being the point instead of like we can't talk so let's kill them you know like that kind of thing there aren't those confusing elements and and it's

appreciated for all of Lovecraft's failings which are many uh one of the thing that is really great about the way the stories work is the protagonist is almost always a frail weirdo yeah he's like interested in history or a bookish a bookish type yeah yeah so like that's the that that does lend itself also to that that perspective being how things are viewed yes and an anthropologist anthropological view of alien cultures is like there's so much depth to it it seems like the only rational way to view them honestly well I don't think that people who are into Carey's world are all that into I think they like weapons yeah I know it does it they're they're like I think they're just space second amendment there's no I think they're more like space dads who

suddenly stop can't stop reading about world war two I think that's what it like oh there's another documentary about Hitler or the Squatch I'm watching either one the same thing you know so um Carey brings up that he has left Israel and come back to the United States of course and then Berg drops a bomb on Carey uh-oh last time we spoke you were in Israel you had originally been in the U.S. uh under military um sort of housing and all of that sort of thing in the U.S. and then you had a reason because of if I understand it correctly and recall it correctly the treatment of Squatch was getting questionable in the U.S. you were concerned for his safety so you made a deal with the Israelis and because you have a Jewish background I'm not I don't

know if that's the only reason but they they allowed you into their country you you lived primarily underground uh with Squatch so now you're back in the U.S. and you're above ground so can you cover that ground we're all caught up everything I've just talked about in your own words and explain how did those different periods like first with the military second you know in America then with Israeli military and now you're in the U.S. how does that work so going back to our original issue um yeah Squatch was not in physical danger here but Squatch was in danger of being exploited for what I described as propagandistic purposes so Squatch who now he we're calling him the ambassador as you kind of named him um so good as I mentioned you before they have a title

system in their society so they use titles like the architect or the doctor or uh the timekeeper this Squatch has become known to his people as the ambassador I'm wondering if that's a reference what a great Maxwell keeper yeah yeah yeah what a great yes and right there I can't I how could you resist uh being like I named the Squatch that's gotta feel great yeah yeah that's pretty good yeah that's pretty good can't argue with that uh all of a sudden he's got an ambassador and Kerry's naming an episode the ambassador like that's just and damn like if you accept that all of this is real then Kerry's got to be feeling like well this Squatch knows that I came up with that name likes it and he's taking it on as its own absolutely that's that's pretty cool that's gotta

feel good Kerry has inadvertently become a member of the Squatch tribe in in some way she's affected Squatch culture yeah yeah so Berg had to get out of the United States for a very specific reason okay it was actually the air force that found him um and they weren't even looking for Squatch they were investigating the UFO sighting um a different UFO sighting they happened to find Squatch uh Squatch was held at a base in the north in the Pacific Northwest um but because of the U.S. government's relationship with the Draco um we know we knew we knew that there was going to be uh a struggle uh for Squatch's narrative um because Squatch has been hunted and pursued by the Draco and hunted and pursued by the Pleiadians and we wanted to remove Squatch from being in the

middle of that struggle um so we did that we went to Israel because several of us qualified for the right of return um so we were able to get citizenship relatively easily did the Squatch but that was always a formality and we were kept on a very short leash here at an underground base that was a former missile complex you know that base was leased to us by the Israeli government unfortunately we came to an end of that leased term and negotiations to renew the lease were successful so we had to so we got another renter man i'm sorry if you're not willing to pay an extra 200 a month then we've got another person he says it's not financial in nature the inability to resign the lease maybe Squatch broke something but like share share share share i love it it is a

really grounded explanation when we lost the lease yeah we lost that you know what it was here i'm going to tell you it's because it's bullshit okay it's bullshit right they had a pi with a decibel meter right outside of our fucking underground hut we went one db over 110 and now they're legally able to kick us out it's bullshit man that's what it is problem is Squatch likes to party Squatch loves to party yeah he's the ambassador so uh here is one of the points where i think that you really you get these aspects of what i i do think that this influence is positive in this space space can i just pause you there and ask you uh you know and i guess there are some things you can talk about maybe in in more detail in some and less so in this

situation when you say that the lease came to an end and you couldn't negotiate uh continuance so why couldn't you continue is it a question of money was it a question of politics was there actually something behind the scenes motivating the change it wasn't money um okay it it had to do with well Squatch didn't want to be dependent on any government and toward you know in between the time that we spoke Squatch actually became somewhat uncooperative with the Israelis and so that kind of transfer on to us um now is that because the Israelis are uh i'm not sure how you want to put this i think they're closely right carefully on anarchy is it that relationship or is it um you know it was that that like the underlying would made Squatch not cooperative uh

or was there demands made that that Squatch wouldn't agree to there are high ranking on anarchy in the Israeli government to be clear the Israelis themselves are not anymore related to the on anarchy than you or i are um but their ice cold certainly has ties to the on anarchy um in the same way that like there are some governments here with um closer ties to organized crime sure you got uh you got Kerry trying to say Israelis are related to the on anarchy right closely right which is a another group thing right and uh Berg is coming in no there are some on anarchy that happen to be exist within the Israeli government right but that has nothing to do with the people right right right that's that is an important distinction to be able to to bring

to this because i think that gets blurred so much in the conversation again with the the sort of simple and easy categorizing of people well i mean what i what is ultimately what you have to look at that but say is like listen because someone on anarchy and jews fucked a hundred years ago it doesn't mean that all of a sudden there's a race thing going on that's all it is it's some people fucked a while back that's it the end well to Kerry that that means that they're more on anarchy no it doesn't well yep so um Berg came back to the united states but part of his job now is doing this with Kerry we needed to get out from under the shadow of the on anarchy organization um you know the the on anarchy are not reliable and we knew that this relationship

wasn't gonna last we were selling the time fortunately um my handlers back here in the states were able to convince um my colonel that i should be allowed back um you know with supervision obviously i i don't have the same kind of freedom i once had um and you know part of the condition for my return is that i i need to be doing these sorts of interviews i need to be managing the public relations aspect of project black break it for a while because god ever supposed to be this public okay uh so that that sounds like on the one hand the americans want you to do interviews on the other hand they're not happy about the fact that you need to do interviews if they're going to be interviews they want to make sure it's me in control of the narrative i see not letting

anybody else nope get in on his game possibly ruin it with don't fuck about in my space watch nope no no no no no excuse me if somebody else comes on our show on this show with you Kerry and starts talking squash the american government will stop them yes that is how it works here man anybody claiming to be with black kraken he says do you know what happened i'm the ambassador's ambassador that's what's happening now i'm an honorary ambassador for the ambassador and i'm coming on your show kary do you want to eat nobody fucking about do you want to eventually get squatch on if you want if you want a dream of the squash coming on this show goes through me it goes through me um so yeah one of the things that kary uh runs into that is an issue is

don't your bosses hate me like right right right yeah yeah yeah and uh no maybe not that's interesting because um you know i'm often considered uh you know persona non grata by the american military now it depends what branch and you know i'm sure and uh of course simply because i ask different branches questions that other journalists don't and so uh did did you run up against that it kind of an issue no actually the the people who i deal with like my colonel they are familiar with your work and they are not mainstream military they are all i love it they're part of nice what you've called the secret space there are a lot of names the secret space program because they're actually multiple different space programs that are clandestine yeah ours doesn't dislike you oh my god

i enter your space and i carve out my space and at the same time i make sure that the walls are so thick no one can enter my space in your space that's fantastic that's fantastic inside my space is a boss yep and uh he likes you so now you're in my space and you like me and i yep we're done this is this is such clinical manipulation it is it is a stevy piece i don't know if it's manipulation as much as ingratiation i know yeah well yeah i mean whenever stevy piece does it it is malicious manipulation and i think this is just actually being a you know a nice conversational person and a very similar results yeah yeah just hopefully you won't use this uh in road with carrie to tell her that uh like events didn't happen or something i've been manipulating you for 20 years oh boy

that'd be funny if berg ripped off a mask and it was a stevy piece so uh carrie wants to know if he works for the real president of the united states which is of course his trump who works for jim carrie this under space force oni or air force i guess if there's a distinction now and is this by courtesy of are you able to say i mean i understand there's a whole you know thing going on here so is trump the fact that he's commander in chief and remains that uh since the election and the fact that biden is not are you doing your negotiations with a group that is uh under trump or uh this other what appears to be a sort of split in our military uh under biden well we keep ourselves pretty separate from any kind of partisan divisions

because our concerns really are not to do with earthly matters not terrestrial what do i give a shit distinctions like democratic and republican don't really make a lot of sense in space um that should be the simplest that trump space force is basically a joke you know there's no no i had a good laugh when that was announced you know everyone in the know kind of it was very meta i'll say that it was a meta moment for us because that already exists you know exactly it's a joke there's that yeah democrats and republicans don't make sense in space there's a poetry to it in the same way as there's no heroes for the squad yeah yeah no no this this dude can turn a phrase yeah no no doubt about it there's a couple a couple poetic little uh and the

the the this is an expression of something that takes care of a giant problem for you oh yeah in terms of having to talk about like petty earth politics yep like if you had to get bogged down in that with your uh story that you're spinning yep it it might uh be too much of a hassle but this just sidesteps the entire thing it's like you look from space who cares yeah absolutely no and it's it is it is such a uh thing that must throw carry for a little bit of a loop where because so many other people care so much well yeah and so many other people on her show are like happy to get into that you don't care about the midterm right you know that kind of thing and to just say what should be the most obvious thing in the world uh if you are in space who gives a fuck uh that seems

very that seems very simple and it has a like a bit of a anthropologist vibe to it too so you know it all fits yeah having a having a distance not just uh metaphorically but literally from the subject that you are ostensibly studying that is that's good storytelling now so uh he had to live underground with squash in israel and that was tough did they have a line painted between one half of the no they're good roommates oh okay actually no that's not true um they lived in like human places and then there was a big enclosure for this for like artificial nature for a squash well that's nice yeah and also i don't know how you're gonna rent that to somebody else quite frankly that's a good question it's a very specific building pretty niche uh anyway living

underground was tough it was especially hard on squash because squash is more accustomed to a natural setting um than we are um but squash did have an artificial habitat down there it's just the same drum for me i was a headache and poor sleep from all the artificial light so since i've been upstairs again um i've really enjoyed taking walks outside i was able to uh quit uh tobacco no longer spoke in those black and mild love it fuck yes black and mild what detail is that that is smoking black and mild black and mild of all the things well actually this is important because later in the interview he's very conspicuously rolling a joint and it couldn't be a cigarette but he said he stopped he stopped smoking tobacco so it's very

clearly a joint he's still buying black and milds okay he's just not smoking what's inside them it's not a block let's say uh it's a joint and he very clearly uh smokes during the interview towards the end that's fantastic yeah it was it's a little bit weird i was like why this should carry should be like what are you doing why isn't anybody else doing drugs on the show before that's that is that is that should not be as groundbreaking for a space show as it does seem to be somebody should have been doing something or at least paraphernalia all around this isn't getting dug with kerry fair um so yeah squatch is leaving and kerry and uh burg have different views on it okay now it seems kind of like a tragedy that squatch is is

planning to leave the planet uh so can you talk about how that's come about i could understand why you or other you know people enthusiastic about his presence here might consider that a tragedy um my feelings about it are bittersweet because you know he's a a deep close friend of mine um but i'm happy for him um you know he i mentioned to you before that he is very young uh for one of his people and he really you know hasn't had a lot of life experience and if he's going to live up to the title of the ambassador he needs to see more of the universe so i'm glad that he was able to find a group of his people who um have the resources to support his personal growth and development um as a humanoid being yeah so kerry sees uh squatch kind of as a thing

whereas you know burg has this i'm i'm friends with this guy kerry i'm happy for him being able to reunite with his people we're in a classic drew berrymore et situation this is this is of course a bittersweet goodbye the man needs to go the squatch needs to go home of course and the bonds we've made will never be forgotten right right you'll always be able to contact the ambassador think about it when i look up at the stars i can barely get a grasp on the over mind and then i know that tangentially squatch is there the ambassador is waiting for me the ambassador is always looking out for me yeah um and i think that this is this is one of the things that that gets into this difference in the uh mentalities sure there is the the robustness and richness of the

view of the culture there is the individuality that is allowed for alien beings yeah um and i i think that it's it's not that different in that he's just making up stuff about space right you know but it is very different in how you would uh approach these topics yeah well i mean pop culture has uh i mean you think about uh independence day or or movies of that ilk wherein it is not dealt with ethically at all as to whether or not we should be dissecting aliens and shit you know it is not put together for anybody that oh there we should absolutely not be doing this this is fucked up shit we should try you know anything else and so it is it is reasonable for most of her guests to constantly be like oh we studied these these aliens as though they were a thing to

be studied as opposed to something to be engaged with you know and some of it may just be a feeling of like it's payback because the grays sure sure i don't know so we're gonna get into the history of mars here in a moment okay we need to talk about mars we need to talk about the 11 months i spent there and what i discovered there um because i think your listeners deserve to know um you know what their tax dollars have been paying for um over there but i want to go back because mars's history is very important it's important understanding the colonial history of mars so that you can be clear on like why mars has the population it does today wow wow it is so much it is so much like you listen a history class is good for people in reality to know about history

but if people are just unwilling to engage with reality maybe we need to have made up history that allows them to understand colonialism the way the rest of us do like i mean maybe that's what you have to do you have to create like a completely like okay this isn't one to one this is not i'm not talking about what you think i'm talking about king leopold the pleiadium yeah exactly um all right see when you uh murder the aboriginal people and steal their land what do we call that bad all right thank you um yeah space makes it more interesting yeah so uh he started uh planning his first mission and getting into this whole thing back in 2010 and this is where i was like yeah this is too obvious yeah i was just started the beginning

so back in 2010 i was a younger man and i spent several months training and preparing for a space mission this was under the auspices of project black kraken um i was tasked with this mission by my colonel linus furlingetti he's sort of the headnannet black kraken oh god he's our boss nothing goes on there that he's not aware of um backpacks on assembly with this mission i trained with uh the person who would be my research assistant when i was there i'd mentioned him before daniel emrick jordan he was a research specialist so he carried out a lot of the research over to my fellow she had a lot of responsibility for the excavations we did there the archaeological research but i'm getting ahead of myself yeah i think that daniel jordan is pretty clear but also

yeah yeah it's it's two fairly common names yeah using alex's middle name as the middle that one's a little bit too much so that was where i was like all right yeah we're a hundred percent sure on this now now i really do kind of feel like he was disappointed in us that he was like you guys really weren't 100 percent certain on that one fine i'll fucking up the ante for you i'll i'll i'll hold your hand i'll spoon feed you that's what you need and there was a part of me like i said that thought about like well i don't know if i want to do another episode because it could be like blowing up his spot sure sure you wouldn't act like this if you didn't want yeah absolutely discussion or whatever yeah he didn't want us to realize that this is what he was doing

yeah um so he went into space in 2011 and man it was boring the trip there was so boring it's a long trip in january 2011 i boarded a transport rocket and was taken up into lower orbit to a station in geosynchronous orbit a small space station transfer hub and from there i took a that's no moon orbital shuttle to a small troop ship the black kraken troop ship now i spent four weeks on that troop ship traveling from earth to mars at high but sub relativistic speed we did not go interdimensional we did not use the ships ftl drive to get to mars that would have been a waste of energy um this was a fusion pulse driven spacecraft we were able to get to mars in about four weeks it was a boring trip this was not like the starship

enterprise i was in a smelly bunk room with a bunch of other marines and some eggheads and i read a lot of paperback novels and played poker um it was really uh one of the most trivial monday hearts of this whole affair see i think that this kind of thing is really good for the storytelling sure because you know this would be such an opportunity to add like weird uh just decoration to the story yeah and to have like here's an opportunity to take a swing and instead you you know you know you let it pass and get a ball sure or whatever that's that's good uh batting no i mean my metaphor yeah yeah you got it got a little away from you but yeah when you think about the the different type of uh improv that we get from so many of these guests it's always like

everything is exciting everything is that thing that instantaneous bit you want to hear that they always know yeah and there's a couple times where he's like i don't really know this is out that's outside of yeah what i would know that's not my job yeah yeah and so like yeah those those instincts to just like not do the thing it it's pretty it's pretty powerful in terms of making this seem more like it's an actual story yeah absolutely like i mean it is it is the way to look at the the journey the same as any fucking marine journey like from the you're loading out yeah if you're on a boat from uh hawaii to vietnam or whatever it is it's not an exciting journey to get there no imagine it's the same thing but for weeks you know that's what it would be

yeah you wouldn't even be able to look out the window and guess what what it was still even boring when he got there to mars of course it was because there's a lot of paperwork oh no got to mars i was exhausted i was tired i was cranky and i had to go for processing and sit through several hours of orientation videos about all the um environmental hazards on mars so you know dealing with bureaucracy after that trip was boring then you're taken to a lot you're given your pressure suit um you're given some other survival gear and you wait for a golf cart to come and take you to your assignment so i was taken to a base i stowed my things i was given another orientation just you know where the um toilet was located in the mess hall all the other facilities

and then they asked me if i was ready to see the dig site and i said that i was and i got back on the golf cart and we went over to the face and capital intersection the face of mars is a cavern and beneath that cavern is a shaft that leads deep down into another sub yeah so there's a dig site damn that's the face on mars so the the literal face on mars that we're going to assume now is actually a face yes a humanoid face yeah underneath it is a cavern and there's a shaft and another cavern right right right this is this is ripe for uh discoveries so yeah yeah so there's a shaft in two caverns i wasn't thinking about it that way i don't i don't think that's the intent i hope not

though it's gotta rethink this guy filthy um so he had to spelunk into the cave with his team and that's fun if daniel emmerich jordan wasn't enough this is where i was like all right this is overkill okay and i pretty much had to spelunk down there with uh my gear on my back with my team in order to get to what we called the steles so there were these pillars with glyphs which were being run through a computer matrix to decode them and they wanted archaeologists and anthropologists to be able to give them contextual cues um to aid the decryption process um so i was part of a team of dozens of specialists i mentioned daniel jordan was my research assistant

i had a bodyguard there who also had some anthropological training this was a young marine named theon of selene amazing girl lucky as hell my lives always lands on her feet oh my god okay all right yeah pretty on the nose that one that one is a little bit there yeah but aren't the cat aliens like archaeologists because they like digging in litter boxes isn't that like kind of their characterization in uh past episode was that i thought they were more characterized in that languid term of uh not really doing that much i don't i don't know i think they i think they might be archaeologists interesting but uh yeah the feline kintessa i know is something to be heard about yes i don't know i can't i can't recall anyway my cat now exists

in the uh this story you hear that selene what a what a weird thing that echoes whenever you make choices what a weird what a weird thing that you know a while back you're on a whim we're like ah let's do space and now here we are with selene or even let's take it back further um you know so years before that i decided that i was going to get a cat even though my true apartment didn't allow pets true and i had to had to sneak a cat in that it's true i'd not made that choice who knows where we'd be what a what a crazy journey life is yeah it's like that trip to mars boring as hell and it takes weeks at least yeah so kerry uh so here's what happens here uh berg has pictures of the glyphs or these drawings that he's made of the glyphs but you can't see them on

the screen right he hasn't been in a notebook why and so kerry thinks she sees those like images and she's like wait a second you owe me some pictures you do owe me some pictures you promised last time uh to send me some yeah so i wanted to um touch base on that um swatch does not want his photo released he is very concerned about facial recognition that's a perfect explanation why can't you provide a picture well squash won't allow it he's worried about facial recognition uh softwares it's it's you can't get around it god what are you gonna do that is the absolute sneaky picture of squash funniest possible explanation facial recognition software yeah so god that's so great well that's so great the facial recognition software could be

used to hunt down other squatches out there sure don't you remember other squatches are out there look i'm not saying i'm just saying that if we were on kashik i'm not too worried about people mistaking chubaca for the wrong person or facial recognition software picking chubaca out from the ground that's not our thing man well too much hair but some of the squatches aren't as hairy that's true you know that is true they do shave um yeah to fit in and do odd jobs naturally naturally they have to do odd jobs the young squash yes i recall but the yeah it's this is an explanation that you can uh accept sure like well yeah i guess there's no way around that i suppose second it's making it like oh that's my fault i i promise that before running it by squatch right right right of course

you know i'm sorry i got a little too excited yeah a reasonable a reasonable explanation again i just i i just think of harry and the henderson's having a fake facial recognition software subplot and it kind of it's it's exciting and also a really bad idea bring it back for a one-time special episode two harry two henderson's tech gets out of control you found these glyphs yeah and they reveal something that is earth shattering i mean literally earth shattering well that is in play earth history will never be the same okay so mars has been continuously inhabited for thousands of years so this is part of what i discovered when i was there because when we so first of all humans are not the only intelligent life present on mars currently

or in the distant past part of what i discovered in that subcavern so i'm i'm face to face with these these stelae with these glyphs and i'm thinking okay so this has to be the remains the ruins of an alien civilization but the remains the fossil remains that we found associated with these ruins were human so it was really a watershed moment us standing down there in this cold damp cavern realizing we were in north dakota there have been human beings on mars they've been humans have been on mars for so long okay so we're throwing out we're throwing out humans were on mars first came to earth no and then forgot about mars no we're not doing that one no no we're not adding that in there no we're saying that we independently evolved on mars simultaneously

no okay at some point okay see that's where we're at okay about 70 000 years ago naturally we'll get to this as he goes along i imagine so the history is what we're going to learn about human like ancestors of humans went to mars and that's where they right right i assume they got dropped off yeah yeah atlantis is involved but we'll get to this here in a little bit now now we're talking so there was a reason though that they were brought to mars it wasn't just for fun in games it wasn't uh you know you know i mean if we're concerned about wasting faster than like fuel just to get there then yeah there's no reason to to bring people if they're not useful no there was there was uh there was there was an issue that humans were needed to solve so do you remember

in the first interview we did i mentioned to you that in prehistory prior to about 70 000 years ago humanity was much more genetically diverse and that actually when geneticists and physical anthropologists look at humanity today there's a lot of missing genetic diversity humans are pretty much the same all over we're we don't diverge genetically that much from each other because we're all the descendants of a handful of survivors who were left over from an environmental cataclysm that decimated much of the human population about 70 000 years ago yeah but at that time the kingdom of atlantis was active on mars and began transporting now we're in different territory chromagnans and other contemporary humans who were dying off from earth to mars

as a labor class so actually oh the atlantis okay these working class cavemen that earth had been destroyed and there was no going back which was a lie and these primitive humans on mars were anatomically cognitively modern just modern as you and i had social complexity and ingenuity and creativity and religion they became the new working class of mars to replace the original worker cast there the troggs who we talked about before which are an insectoid species so as it turns out the issue was that the troggs weren't creative or adaptive gotcha okay for the worker class that was needed on mars right and so these humanoids chromagdan esk sure humanoids were brought in right by the atlantians so the aliens went to a foreign land tore people from their homes and then brought them

into a labor class system you might see some parallels i don't know yeah there's there's something there's some interesting dynamics at play throughout this for sure so when atlantis created this colony on mars they had a specific goal in mind and that was creating like a welcoming mat for the milky way okay so but atlantis was still originated on earth in this in this storyline here right it's not atlantis was originally mars and then it's unclear but i think that they yeah as far as our story goes uh today yeah it might as well originate on earth although the are alien hybrids who are in atlantis like maybe pleiadians or onanaki or something gotcha gotcha okay anyway they wanted to create a welcoming mat for the milky way and that was to be this mars base

so atlantis was a multi-species community right the atlantians were one of a number of colonies of the galactic federation and the galactic federation created a colony on mars that sort of became the milky ways welcome mat there was actually something called the andromeda stargate which was a huge stargate that used to be in orbit of the fifth planet of this solar system which no longer exists but this was a stargate that permitted ships to travel from the andromeda galaxy of milky way so mars was this advanced cosmopolitan world and all the member planets of the galactic federation sent their best to mars their their best representatives their artists their scholars their intellectuals their craftsmen their um finest warriors but the drakos although

they were members of the galactic federation hated what mars stood for and they took that opportunity to dump their unwanted so they sent mutants and criminals and outcasts and political exiles to mars but those um those drako and reptoids formed their own civilization there and were able to become part of the grander mars community they are not defined by being the outcast of the drako they can come into a place and integrate and become they're welcomed into this community and they can they can be productive members of the martian base that's how it works that is describing georgia this is uh great i mean like in terms of the underlying message of it absolutely it's because any other story about this would be like they come in and they're the ones who

destroy everything i mean the the implication whenever other guests on uh project camel let's say that is that that is because they are those things yes they send those gross mutants and all of those stuff because they are gross mutants not because they are to be anything exactly not because they're they're people who have been defined as such right that is because they are and again these kinds of things are immigrant refugee analogs in the sort of space talk and what have you and the the notion of uh embracing and welcoming in immigrants and recognizing the potential and ability for people to yeah to merge together and create prosperous societies is not something that you generally see in these stories no i mean no it is it is

like the it's like the potato famine it's it's like the british came in tried to fuck everybody up and then they had to go to america and everybody's like oh you guys and then there's fine and then here we are and we paint the river green we're good you should be a history teacher i'm fairly quick it doesn't take long so about 70 000 years ago the humans got brought in to be the worker class to replace the troggs right naturally then about 68 000 years ago a leader rose who was a bit of a demagogue in 68 000 bce or thereabouts which was known as the beginning of the chrysalix era so chrysalix was that individual that um human anarchy hybrid who ascended to the position of supreme technocrat on bars and chrysalix one of the things he had to do in order to cement

himself as leader and endear the troggs to the technocracy was he engaged in a lore struggle with the queen of the troggs now troggs are not very wise but they their brains the brains of the queens are like massive organic computers they process a lot of information they're very knowledgeable brain bugs and he had to have kind of a um a brain battle with the brain bug yeah okay all right so we we wrap battle our way into the future is what we're trying to describe i mean have you heard deltron 30 30 i have i have you have to eventually wrap battle your enemies regardless of uh what the original conflict may be yeah so chrysalix rose and uh needed to win over the troggs naturally to be in order to be seen as the ruler right and so he did brain battle with

the brain bugs gotta we'll get back to this this thread i was gonna say that needs to be that needs to be addressed way more because is this uh is this we're not actually going to get back to the brain battle but i need to know no we're not going to get back to that but we are going to get back to the saga of chrysalix okay well i mean yeah but first we have to introduce another fall of the chrysalix empire but we have to we have to introduce another character into the mix who exists in the present day uh who uh berg is friends with okay my understanding is as i recall and a randy kramer talked about i think battling the troggs yes so there are still troggs on mars and there are skirmishes but there are far fewer trogg hives than they're used to be uh just like

there are far fewer reptoids on mars than they're used to be uh and there are skirmishes with reptoids too and we're going to get into that change of location man i was on very close terms with the leader of a large number of those reptoids who i i mentioned to you in my communications his name is drus and we're going to talk about drus because he's informed okay could you say his name a little more clearly because it's not clear drus so i there's no um you know that i can only spell it phonetically because obviously if people don't use obviously english characters but i've been spelling it d r u u z so drus he's a warlord i presume he's still on mars i haven't spoken with him since i left but if if anyone's in charge there it would have to be him unless

you know someone has challenged him but he to a brain battle is him the leader of a ragtag army of motor enthusiasts lizards on mars okay who are sort of the warrior cast of a remnant of the reptoid civilization that has uh been forced into a nomadic lifestyle by colonialist human approach man he does uh compare this to mad max at some point and i think it's because it's a baby too too close to mad max it's a little bit sons of anaconda key yes in a way yeah yeah we have motorcycle enthusiast biker gang lizards by a guy named drus drus and the biker gang lizards is not a terrible country band i can see it um so yeah he's become his friends with drus he's friends with drus the warlord uh with the bike riding lizards right but we'll get back to this

yeah that's not important for right now we have to get back to the thread of chrysalis because we we need to nail down martian history sure if we're going to be able to understand the culture and the the picture that is painted right and so yeah the way it works right so chrysalix started getting this this power together uh and here's how he did that and what he did i told you about the ancient history of mars how the working class of homo sapiens from earth were transported there but mars was largely depopulated due to the wars that chrysalix started so chrysalix engineered resentment between the trogues and the raptoids in order to create violent conflict

and he then capitalized on fear of alien violence to unite humanoid when you take a primitive people and you teach them how to read and write and use machinery you organize them as a working class and that's what happens these cavemen on mars so the humans right on mars right have been organized into a working class right which causes some tension between the trogues reptilians naturally yeah and uh chrysalix as a demagogue spanned the flames yeah division and fear of alien violence right right right and all this which of course leads to devastating wars yeah i believe it was called the john chrysalix society on mars so there there is something that is at the root of all this tension yeah and mic down for this

because this will blow your mind okay there was a labor crisis on mars because the workers realized that they could bargain collectively for fire wages for better working conditions to sick pay childcare they realized their collective labor power and that created a political crisis that chrysalix promised to deal with so chrysalix became supreme technocrat on the basis of his promise to keep labor in check chrysalix is a union buster yeah i mean it does sound like chrysalix and howard schultz have a lot in common it is there's a labor issue because the cavemen who got brought to mars realized that collective bargaining is powerful right right right right no that is that is almost exactly instead of dealing with unions they chrysalix decided to

go to war yep yep that's just that's just the way it is man that is just it is it is so relatable and yet so dark so dark to think that regardless of what planet you're on it is impossible to get past capitalism well like you just can't fucking do it it's brutal how depressing that is yeah i mean wherever you are if it's on earth you got bucks yep you're up in space you got space but you got space bucks and at the end of the day it's all about the benjab space benny space benjamins yeah exactly space jamins so the onanaki space jamins is a very different nevermind so the the not the onanaki are very tall uh so carrie wants to know if chrysalix was very tall um can i ask a quick question about chrysalix um if i know the answer well yeah i mean obviously is chrysalix

chrysalix is atlantic and mixed with onanaki not one of the human people brought under he's not been elevated from the working class too okay i just needed to be sure on that one real quick the sense that i get from this is he was external to the the group that came from earth gotcha okay um and he rose to supreme technocrat by doing brain battle with the brain yeah absolutely um and he was pretty tall too and how tall was chrysalis chrysalix was like a tall human he was about six and a half feet tall um because he was mostly humanoid some as we discussed some onanaki are more reptilian than others and there are many groups today claiming to be onanaki and it's not always clear that um all of them actually are um it's very popular to claim you're onanaki it's sort of

like how a lot of white people like to claim they're part native america talk about their jewish blood um it's it's just a lot of people say in the galaxy to get credit okay um so all right yeah what are you gonna say to that kary what are you gonna say to that shit a lot of a lot of aliens lie about being onanaki to get street cred but it makes sense yeah no of course no why wouldn't they yeah no and of course and kary can't say shit to that because it's like if she acknowledges that at all it's all up in the air at this point now it's like wait a second are you saying that it's possible now and hear me out on this one some of my guests may have been claiming things that weren't true

maybe okay um all right so yeah but also like some of these aliens are claiming things that aren't true so maybe some of her guests are telling the truth but these aliens are lying to that's true there's just no way to know none yeah it's impossible we'll all go to the grave wondering mystery wondering over our heads what will our last words be so chrysalix needed to crush labor of course and so he started a war naturally there was a massive war that was basically precipitated by chrysalix um promising to do everything possible to stop the general strike and the alternative to a general strike was total war so there were massive numbers of young humans conscripted into the army of mars at that time and put in

units with um onanaki and pleydian and atlantic and controllers um and they were at first organized into militias that protected human settlements from indiscriminate violence between trugs and rectoids but then those militias became reorganized as a singular army that went to war on two fronts against both the trugs and the rectoids so most of the working class humans were conscripted and killed in that war and mars was very scarcely populated for a very long time until the 20th century so quite a jump yeah that is a big time jump so we're talking about 67 000 years give or take yeah somewhere around there there's a long stretch where the sparse population because of chrysalix is

unwillingness to negotiate with labor yeah i mean it does seem like uh that is the ultimate end point no matter no matter where you're going if you can't negotiate with labor we're again eventually going to die so we get to the 20th century yeah and then more things start to happen right on mars mcdonald's opens their first restaurant it's unclear if those corporations are allowed to operate on the mars base that is an interesting question but a certain rike decided to go to mars god damn rikes it's the third one we're getting up to the point where i come in but allow me to lecture for a little bit longer carry because you're pleased in what um happened right before world war two okay so oh she's in

rike established a colony on mars uh pre-world war two era germany traveled to mars in several large space verner von braun how are we gonna get there a large number of military and civilians and paramilitary like ss to the surface of mars and built a colony there now you've heard of operation paperclip right for braun and how nazi science fell into allied hands after world war two yeah there's a public face of of operation paperclip oh which people know about what's the secret about the public space program but what they don't realize what most of them don't realize is that say it um come on part of the transfer of access science to allied hands involved the deed to the mars colony yes yes so the deed the deed and it transferred to american ownership

us and uk joint ownership but in practice primarily american it transferred but a lot of the german civilians stayed so when you look at mars today you'll notice that there's a lot of german civilians present on mars and other you know european nationals but most of german you will notice that if you look at mars today just non-stop beer gardens just oh man it's just a nightmare it's just a nightmare in october everything is just oh i just want to drunk it's red it's red it's not supposed to be harvest colored god damn it uh so yeah the deed uh the space deed uh was part of project paperclip but honestly that makes so much sense why why i mean space deeds existing doesn't necessarily okay thank you thank you for that at least connecting

the base from being a nazi base that was taken over by the allied powers be good in project paperclip the secretive part of it is like that anchors it to reality in a way that's like that's solid and in and in one of the few actual conspiracy kind of uh at least names yeah along with uh i i mean crazy actions if we took in nazi rocket scientists yeah why wouldn't say why wouldn't why wouldn't we take a deed we'll take it we'll take a space deed what fucking we'll take anything is yeah i love the idea i because this is glossed over uh kerry should have followed up on this but are you telling me that hitler uh was like hey listen we got to send all these people up to mars we got to make sure we have some ss agents on there to keep them in line is that is that

kind of the thought process behind that that you're sending a colony of people to mars and you include fucking secret police also that's absurd also what happened to them like were they tried i mean oh that's a great question are the mars based a date were they a nerd oh my god is that where hitler is no no he actually he died in the bunker okay but i'm just saying that the boys from brazil or you know uh the boys from mars it's the same movie well there is actually a city brazil and mars oh that's scary i don't know so when berg got to mars yeah he you know he had this uh hr stuff and within his first day though he went he went and visited the bazaar uh the market visit the market which is basically there i got the sense that it was okay um but it's it's

not dissimilar to the cantina oh let's say i went to a bazaar outside the base where i lived and that bazaar is frequented by a number of extraterrestrial beings from different planets um i actually got into a fight there with a mercantile dog who is rather hard and um pushy inappropriate with a human adjuvant sex worker now sex work is legal on mars sex workers have unions they have legal rights oh um gotta move i don't think this work is how dog was aware of that um but i okay i have to stop you right there a mercantile what carry them from your fucking show right yeah don't act like it's crazy you're the one who said it i'm not crazy for saying mercantile dogs you're the one that said it not me not me man

don't don't try and be like all skeptical oh mercantile dogs that sounds a little unrealistic you shut up it is illustrative of how um a non-invested yeah people are in maintaining their own mythology yeah exactly um and i mean i understand i've forgotten a hundred things that we've talked about oh inside jokes very oh i mean yeah 100 no idea you know i'm sure there are references in this to things that we've said in the past that i have i don't even get we have done several i mean at least almost 2000 hours of this yeah that's that's too much to remember for anyone thinking about it too much it impedes my ability to make tomorrow's episode you know like makes this real yeah so um chrysalix yes um oh also this ends up resolving okay uh they get into a little

bit of a fight that could have caused an interstellar incident that would have been bad uh daniel jordan and uh and burr were able to create a distraction so the german woman could get away oh that's nice and then calmer heads prevail that is nice um but chrysalix his war had long standing uh implications and uh there's there's some troubles what was your absolute you know clear cut i mean i assume you had something of a clear cut mission that had a beginning and an end so what was it i was there as an archaeologist and paleo historical cultural interpreter my purpose was to understand the nature of the conflict of the chrysalix era okay the the labor crisis that precipitated a political crisis that led to civil war on mars

um an interspecies war that depopulated mars um i led to very sparse almost unenhappable conditions there um one of the things which are unusual for my result is more in the weapons that were used was the martian supply of water um became extremely scarce and that has a lot to do with the activities of drus and his water raiders oh that's the shit before i got to the bizarre on my first day after having seen the human remains in the cavern underneath the face on mars when i came back up from that cavern we were surrounded we were surrounded by motorized vehicles that were like ramshackle like um just slacks together give up the gasoline run away war horses war wagons um manned by lizards i don't know what else to call them i mean i i i got to know them

very well um in my time there i spent a lot of time with these these beings um i'm comfortable are these um now i'm i'm curious are you are you familiar with the raptors these were not raptors i am familiar with raptors these were not raptors these were no raptors these were no raptors these were lizards on bikes i i appreciate her being like listen lizards on bike absolutely but what kind were they raptors right what do we talk about here if they're friends of marx not not not i'm not worried about them riding motorcycles on mars and being water raiders yes yeah not at all worried about that no yeah so the water quest sure that they had is actually why they surrounded a burg because they wanted that water and um the

way they went about this exchange fascinating so why did they surround you you because they wanted our water they knew as an expedition operating outside the confines of a base we would have had to bring a water supply with us and we were vulnerable our still suits were broken so typically what drus their warlord does is he surrounds you he turns on sound equipment and blasts you with noise to get your attention um and to kind of terrorize you um it's fallout then he gets really theatrical and jumps around and he behaves in a very unerring way um and if you you realize what he's doing it's possible actually to get out of this situation without any physical injury um what drus wants is a display of respect and if you show respect by sharing water the most

that will happen is you'll basically encounter the marx and version of street theater so like you know when hippies would pretend to hold on houses should protest the vietnam war um this is sort of what drus does to protest human territorial encroachment fantastic if you do not share your water if you try to protect it well he will fight you so you have a biker gang uh of lizards that surrounded them and the leader is doing a dance and singing and acting weird yeah but he just wants you to sort of ceremonially and ritually share your water with him yeah um and this is something that only an anthropologist would really understand i mean switch the motorcycles with a bus and you've got ken keezy and the mary pranksters like there's very there's not much difference here well he did

say like if he's trying to levitate a bus exactly you know yeah i'm with it i i find i find this to be quite engaging this is uh this yes i i mean i i wonder i wonder about his his process here uh drus because if he's not giving you the heads up that there is a quick and dirty way to get out of this situation by just sharing water then it's either a test or he's fucking with people you know it could be a test because if it's a test then that's then it's like you have to be jib you have to be pure of generosity in your given in your sharing of the water in order to pass the test well i'm guessing i can't tell you that you either give us the water or you die well i'm guessing that it's a situation where this is something that's done in their culture so other groups that run into each

other will do this and then they share water and it's a sort of a way of intergroup bonding or something all right okay like the sort of like ritualistic gift giving sure sure sure sure um i would assume that it's like that yeah and that people who uh are like not of their you know lizard sure sure sure um would have a responsibility to know that or right and to not know that and to act in a way of not sharing your water would be a sign of disrespect exactly or something and i i don't i don't understand exactly how burg would know that without having studied these i mean he is an anthropologist what he's probably he's probably how much awareness does he have of these biker gang lizards he's friends with droos not yet this is this is how he becomes friends

that's fair that's fair yeah yeah this is his first day on mars that's true came up from the cavern and then droos had him surrounded what a dramatic first day after weeks of just sitting in the in the spaceship doing nothing but playing poker yeah yeah that's that's a crazy first day it is filling out paperwork and then droos drops by yeah yeah so if you don't share your water droos will fight you and i think kary's this is such a like a fascinating clip to me but if you do not share your water if you try to protect it well he will fight you so i will how will he fight with a gun with uh with his uh physical strength or well they have plasma weapons and lasers but they really prefer melee weapons of course kind of traditionalists in that way absolutely have a warrior cult

burg is in the middle of describing uh something that is an incredible insight into a cultural group that kary believes is real there's so much to learn from understanding like how these groups interact with each other sure sure sure what are we talking guns or knives exactly there's such a preoccupation with like fighting and how they do battle weapons weapons yeah i i think that preoccupation is um there's way more fun stuff yeah it's to the detriment of what could be interesting within this like storytelling space yeah i mean it honestly honestly did not occur to me to ask if there were weapons involved you've got a cultural situation where he dances and sings to get you to give him some of your water right and if you do so generously we're fine and if you

are a hoarder then you get attacked then you get space capoeira it didn't occur to me that weapons would even be involved you're on mars they poke your helmet and you explode or whatever giant lizard exactly why would you need why he's got claws and shit the teeth what are you talking about oh did they use plasma guns who cares right it's so far down the list of things that are interesting about this story that's absolutely because where did that originate from does this does this have its own cultural history is this like a schismogenesis kind of situation you know what you know why this is the preoccupation i think it's because that's a that's hard that's really hard to be the dungeon master who has created deep lore yeah for stuff yeah that's true it's it's when you're talking

about like actually describing cultures that have like a richness to them or like tradition and and you respect them respect the culture and the individuals that make up the culture that that is really really tough to do whereas talking about like they all have lasers right right that's pretty easy yeah and they do use a they do have that kind of metonymy about the weapon leading to a categorization of class as well you know like oh they're gun users and thus they're part of this stratosphere in the universe it's a tool versus a machine tool exactly yes 100% equipment that we couldn't even imagine right tool yeah right it's like a hierarchy yeah absolutely so drus becomes friends uh with him uh and we'll find out exactly how but uh kerry wants to know

one other thing okay do they wear clothes they do actually they're on motorcycles so one thing you should know about drus is at one point drus found a portable television a german made portable tv don't say this intercepted a lot don't do it um television signals from earth so he actually dresses in the style that you would stereotype don't don't do it they watched mad max they're chain mail and leather and kind of plays into those tropes intentionally um in order to really build a mystique around himself the way a good warlord should he's a very charismatic lizard that's a great that's a great button he's a very charismatic lizard yeah got you got to give it up to him you gotta give it up i got to know this warlord you gotta give it up to the martian pirates

but understood kind of appropriately as we're gonna learn a little bit more he is not so much a warlord as he might appear to be sure he's just the more the chieftain of his people externally there may be the vision of him as kind of a brute or or as a warlord but there's there's layers in order to protect his people's way of life he has to demonstrate a show of force to keep people away i get it so uh kerry has another question and this leads us to exactly how uh berg and druze became friends does he speak english he speaks english that he learned from washing earth television so yes he speaks english but he has some odd terms of phrase that are a little bit anachronistic like cowabunga dude he's the kind of guy who still says cowabunga

no no get the fuck out now you said he became a friend is this when you started a friendship with him under the circumstances when you were surrounded you did you did you go shader when i made the call to share the water rather than afford it druze considered that harmonially we we did have to fight there there was they actually had to attach a metal articulated artificial tail to me so that i could fight in this way against bruise um but it wasn't a fight to the death it was more of a ritual like a wrestling match sure um for entertainment because you control the kind of ease tension after the the tent stand off over the water um and you know druze druze was an interesting guy yeah so yeah they had to

have a ceremonial fight sure sure and that makes sense you know like they're sort of well yeah you have to enter the yeah yeah see there's a there's a sense that they had to do this as like this is the way this ends sure you know we don't just walk away from this successful exchange you have shown me respect i'll show you respect back but we must engage in the form of combat well that is the respect yeah you know that is respecting you enough to treat you as one of them you're in the ritual form of combat you get a fake tail you get a fake tail that means you're one of the people yeah that's how it works so then they become friends and uh berg ends up spending quite a bit of time sure with druze and his people how long does he keep the

tail for the entire time no i think it was just for the fight oh that sucks but i imagine it was a choice yeah well and i'm just making this up because he doesn't he doesn't say i need to know so um when he was there he was living you know with druze for part of the time and because of that you get this inside view of this group yeah that from the outside just looks like a post apocalyptic biker gang of lizards going right shaking people down for water from the outside it's too obvious right there's a rich inner history yeah you know druze druze was an interesting guy i mean we we ended up kind of embedded with druze's group we spent a lot of time in um the camp uh that druze's people lived in um you know interacted a lot with uh the reptoid children and um

you know the the mothers um you know you go into these camps was he doing dances with wolves you all and you realize like these aren't scary reptilian barbarians these are displaced people these are refugees they're like the Lakota Sioux you know who were oh my god he is they're eating the seven cavalry i mean that was the relationship they had with the um Kansas National Regiment so actually my unit of military scientists ended up in conflict with the Kansas National Regiment because we were embedded with druze's people we were riding shotgun with druze over the marching landscape we accompanied druze on several water raids wow okay i mean i i guess that's something i guess even on mars uh a cab is that what we're doing

there's such a such an interesting perspective there of you know you look at this from the external and on this show so typically all you would know about these people is that they're bike or lizard to steal water that's all you need to know right you know everything everybody in this group is the exact same yep whereas we now have a picture of them as displaced from the larger society of course uh going about their their lives trying to to find water and perpetuate their culture as a effect a side effect of this colonial history of mars right water that is being hoarded away from them right yeah and that is only sparse because of chrysalix exactly and his actions uh in the deep past when he couldn't collectively bargain with labor you got it

there's this complicated picture that like in the present day the effect of it is you have this kansas guard or whatever who are these you know military police types here yeah who view chrysalix and or i'm sorry drus and his gang as this uh you know like awful rag uh renegade right but they are really inside and and amongst themselves right groups of refugees they are they're people it it occurs to me that maybe so much of our our terrible relationship to the history of not just you know the world that we live in but also with this history is that if you recall school history whenever you were learning it that's what you learned you learned the surface shit you learned the date this happened you learned that this happened and it's in a blurb on the side of your

textbook you know that's what you learn and for most people that's not remembered as a positive experience like i didn't start really getting into history until i found out there's really interesting shit i just assumed that history was the school history you know it didn't occur to me i mean even back in school there would be jokes about like you have to memorize dates yeah and stuff for the test yeah yeah it's history devoid of context is is not history really no it's just saying words yeah and some of that is important for like touchstones and stuff it's it's tough i think i'm not a teacher so i don't know this fully but like i would imagine that depending on the grade it's because it's it's almost it's probably impossible to teach history oh absolutely with

context until a certain point absolutely until a certain grade yeah yeah i mean it is unfortunate yeah i think it's i think there's so much of that that is adults just carry that dislike over and i mean you know it's not like it they're they're interested in reading too many books outside of well weird john birch society books about hitler being not as bad as you might think and then the flip side of it too is that people don't want to recognize that they are in the history of the future or whatever you know like sure whatever you look at in the past right in history is just people who would be like you or i back then well you know how you think shit is interesting today they thought it was interesting back then think about that and we exist in the present day in a

context of these things that have rippled through of course the history into today which will be far better understood 20 years from now absolutely gift of context and hindsight naturally but it's it's tough to be aware of that in the moment and some people just shy away from it i just don't want to yeah it's understandable but this is a rich full history of i i mean i mean i'm sure there's even more than he found in these glyphs but uh so far i mean you have a far more compelling version of an oral history of his trip to space yeah than many of these other like i did battle with various beings yeah like all right with a certain with a certain terry pratchett element of like i'm i'm juxtaposing very very normal real world shit from time to time with fantastical elements

you know like i'm i am yes these are lizards on mars but they also watch teenage mutant ninja turtles and so they know kawabunga dude so yeah whatever yeah you know but yeah it's bringing the mundane to the uh the uh the extreme or whatever um and i mean don't don't get me wrong there is still a lot of this stuff that is derivative of other science fiction for sure well i mean hey but what are you gonna do that's all science fiction is derivative of all science fiction so we uh we move on from this into a conversation about earth's ai uh system okay uh we're gonna have to talk about earth's ai um that's actually one thing i wanted to discuss with you that isn't directly related to my time on mars but we we should cover this while we have the time here today

okay um there's something you should know about our ai kerry so as you know every space fairing planet develops an artificial intelligence a very powerful ai that's like a direct quote from captain mark richards but it's true absolutely and and most you know anthropologists such as myself we can see the point but something unusual happened on earth other planets designed their ai but our ai evolved spontaneously on the internet it started as a primitive neural parallel kind of network in the 1990s that gained a kind of um instinctual awareness and motility and then with the advent of virtual private networking it was able to form more solid um repetitive neural feedback loops and really develop true self-awareness and so the ai that has so much authority over

military and space decisions and operates the blackbird satellite weapons platforms um around earth and mars that ai really was co-opted by the military it wasn't created it was it's been co-opted and it chooses to cooperate with the military it could choose not to well that's that's scary okay that's alarming right i'm gonna pitch you on this i a better better third book reveal all right trilogy wise is chrysalix designed earth's ai that's your reveal to settle to like tie together the history of mars along with the current history of earth so you can see the parallels between what's going on simultaneously with the present i'm not too worried about it and you shouldn't actually be all that worried about it either

because as berg uh uh reveals later there are a series of suicide satellites that are required to be put above every planet just in case uh something goes bad just uh like if this ai were to decide to go rogue yeah there are suicide satellites that'll just blow up the earth right right all right not not good not a good uh but the galactic federation or whatever requires every planet they require 300 uh keys to be turned at the exact same time i would imagine that there's some sort of a uh process involved yeah no you probably just get drunk and accidentally hit your elbow on something oh shit earth's gone fuck so we have an ai that is i mean it's cooperating at the moment sure and such but you know the prospect of this is pretty scary

i think the the idea that an ai has become self aware and is in charge of so much and could decide one day ah i don't want to i don't want to play along it's uh it seems it seems like there could be devastating consequences of that uh you know what i'm gonna throw it out in another direction for well like the earth blowing up from the suicide satellite sure sure there there is that problem i trust the i trust an independently evolved ai more than i trust one designed i don't know who's designing that ai however i have a kinship with this ai in that we both evolved from nonsense and now use vpns to avoid getting discovered i i say it makes perfect i would suggest that a lot of the stuff on the internet is not what i would want the that's fair that is fair ai

that's in charge of all of the satellites and like weapon systems but it's also shit posting all day sure sure there is there is the duality of man yes there is that so we got this ai but kerry believes that there's another ai uh that has to do with the uh the chinese government oh my understanding is that there is um alien ai's that are also invading earth indeed so and and absolutely those groups is actually kind of predominantly affiliated with the ccp which is part of our our war with china now is that correct in your understanding or is that do you see it differently well my your we we might have somewhat different appraisals of politics um because i i tend to look at for example china and the united states of america is two sides of

the same coin um well yeah but what does that even mean you know i mean yes uh we're humans but what does that even mean you know what is that if i were an alien looking at earth what would i see i would see two or well several authoritarian large authoritarian states that imprison a significant number of their own population for minor offenses oh oh shit if i were an alien looking at earth that's what i would see i wouldn't okay but you would see them like different mob bosses right yes i wouldn't necessarily make the same distinctions that um someone from earth might make between like national identities that like these might not seem like real categories to me and so because i'm aware of that it's influenced how i think come on people like we're talking about

spaceship get out of your bubble you know why not why why don't you take the view from space if you're in space no no no no it doesn't matter where you're viewing from you are earth centric and the earth is the center of the universe and communism is dangerous absolutely so weird it's it's very weird and i think that this is such a logical perspective to like you hear from every astronaut that goes up like just a complete shift of perspective yeah when you see earth from above right and like if these people are actually going to space how could they not have that like change of paradigm right how could you not see earth from above and and realize how our brains categorize things in a certain way that isn't isn't accurate especially

if you go up to space and you're on mars and you find an archaeological site where you find this sure this humans have been on mars for 70 000 years yeah absolutely why would i give a shit about the ccp right are humans have been on mars for 70 000 years right yeah and also that perspective is missing one thing that they are missing even more obviously because of this is a human centric idea of how aliens view us aliens in their mind view earthlings as granular different you know like oh there's a difference between china and the united states they're a he deals with that a little bit no but i mean my my point is why do you why do they not think that aliens would be just as dismissive and racist racist towards all humans as they are

towards all pleiadians or all well anarchy you know what i'm saying he's explanation for that is something to the effect of like they they don't look at let's say china and the united states as like particularly all that different right um but there is like a kayfabe where they treat different countries differently in order to keep up appearances or something there are ambassadors yes the squash certainly yeah not a lot of squash going on here so i told you he was like rolling a joint and i don't know if like you just this is kind of where i decided like i don't i don't know if i'm as thrilled with this anymore but like i i think that the the story of mars history the colonialism the the collective bargaining and the labor dispute the leads to the war like

there's a lot of really good stuff in there and it it expresses a view that is helpful i think in terms of understanding the present day yeah there's there's lessons that you can learn and apply to politics indeed that's good but there's some stuff where i think that he was just fucking around well i i don't know if i i know you gotta have your fun but this might have been a little too much oh yeah i want to make sure i'm answering all your questions and all your viewers questions well that's going to be almost impossible given the time we have but let's let's move i guess that's a can of worms uh i just want to ask you though because we have uh well at least according to mark there were six he called it in wait i'm sorry hold on one second

yeah vinyl vinyl you know what i'm doing i told you not to call me right now uh vinyl vinyl i'm sorry sir yes i will call you back as soon as i'm i'm really sorry all right i'm really sorry this is going on i've been catching up on this i apologize sir i apologize i was out of line oh i'm sorry about that that was vinyl obviously um he knows i'm on camera with you and i told him to wait and he just he sometimes he just gets so anxious and you start to sit him down and be like

why oh oh relax chill okay so mark says there are six if i remember and we just move on just move on baiting ai no explanation yeah i i think that that that was a little bit a little much but also it's it should have been like where the interview ends yeah yeah absolutely like it it's not um even if you don't get it it's still like all right something's going on yeah yeah we gotta wrap this up no no that's jar even if you don't like take it as a sign of like you're fucking around right you'd still be like all right well you clearly have to go let's end this and do this another time right if you can convince me that you're not fucking with right right right exactly but it's not yeah that interview keeps going that has like super troopers meow energy going on the

whole time of just like i know you're saying this word over and over and over again and i know that i don't know why but i know that something's going on i i wonder if the instinct was to see how far it could be pushed to see how far like is there a point where i'll get hung up on or sure sure sure sure um and it's live so can't do much but uh i mean i will i will say this it's there is there is a moment there is a moment in doing that bit specifically where you have to decide to do the bit you've planned it you've thought about it ahead you know that the bid is there but you still have to have the courage to pull the trigger on that bit and you can't bail in the middle you cannot you can't bail for even a second the the issue that i have is that

i don't feel like the content of the story that he's telling is is disrespectful of kary sure it's pointing it's telling a different story about a lot of spaceship right that might be counter to her but he's paying you know lip service to mark richards and not doing anything that's like hey kary you're dumb he's fitting in the lord right yeah because that would kind of be uh i don't know tasteful well counterproductive at least and i think i think that this is as close as it kind of gets to like this is a prank kind of i and and i don't know like saying that his person's name was daniel emmerich jordan is a wink sure but it's just somebody's name within the story right it's a signifier of like our show this is a preemptive this is a preplanned bit yeah there

was a part of me that wished that that had not happened yeah i mean it is it does add an element of the fourth wall breaking that is uh you know unavoidable yeah if you're if you're talking about like one of those kids cartoons that has the elements for the adults to watch also they can't ever stop and be like and now here's a direct quote from fucking pulp fiction like you can't do that you know it has to be a wink yeah and it i get it it's funny you laughed your ass off i was great uh fantastic i i i get it i i just i don't know i i think sometimes you don't know the line until you cross it and uh for my tastes yeah meow tastes all right all right might have been just past um so you're the meow thing undercuts your your argument a little bit

yeah so uh berg is a skeptic by nature naturally that's one of the reasons why he is not threatened by and actually fully embraces uh some people in kerry's audience absolutely question away skeptical of him but there's something that he saw on mars that shook his skepticism oh i just want to say i appreciate skeptics i was a skeptic for a long time myself uh before i experienced the reveal um i'm still a skeptic in many ways there are well i never told you about drus's wives but one of the people that i spent a lot of time with on mars was drus's senior wife so drus is the military leader of the martian rectoids but in terms of domestic life and political life really it's the reptoid women who make all the important decisions and specifically

a cast of women called the water riches and the water riches all right are um descended from a sorceress who practiced the art of dousing and was able to divine the location of water and also possibly portals and so the water witches those two specifically are the ones who cast where water should be and send drus out with his army in search of water and i saw the water witches do things that i have no rational explanation for as a scientist and it shook me to some of the elements of my core foundation and i'm still trying to reconcile with that years later the water witches the water water uh witches what are that what's their words for it i would like to know that i would like to know i would like to have a a term that they use instead of

water witches right they can't use water witches yeah because that's not like a reference to some old fifties show yeah yeah yeah that's not drus right you know i mean if you if you only say that drus you don't you spell it phonetically you can't then be like but also they use the term water witches all the time it's dope unless it were something for it should be like i dream of genie or something something yeah because like if he's already established that they have this old like german tv right right right then it should be something like bewitched or right right right i mean it could even be like the mcbeth though that that kind of three witches situation yeah you might find the production of bewitch mcbeth somewhere who that's one of drus's water fight

things also water witches yeah i got very excited for the image of like a fully decked out classic witch uh going down a water slide it was having a great time do do you mean we've got a new theme park to open i just had an image in my head was very delightful have you been to three water witches just a witch having a great time uh so kerry wants to bring up the idea that a lot of the people who talked to her about these conspiracies sure it all goes back to a banking conspiracy goes back to the right to issue money it always goes back to money it does it's space bucks yeah and uh berg has an interesting view of this in your estimation because i have you know lots of uh whistleblowers whatever who talk about for example that the bottom line on earth has to do with the right to issue

meaning money in other words the controllers of the money which is in vassel switzerland and has been going back ages and ages um are still in control and that even if they switch up the money you know the the global reset or whatever we use digital instead of paper whatever it's still going to be in the their hands and that i'm talking about this is what i'm being told and that the onanaki for one thing are kind of blocking any real change on earth at this time in that area and they think that they are in control of that would you agree or disagree with that it it's hard for me to gauge the relevance of my field of expertise with respect to that statement okay i can say is that you know i can't divorce myself from my personal biases no one can

i'm skeptical of the whole enterprise of capitalism so alien capitalism is still capitalism not a bad point space capitalism is capitalism doesn't matter what you put in front of capitalism the capitalism part is the problem yeah yep yep tough to argue with that but also you see the this isn't really relevant to my field yeah and so there isn't like a claim of expertise on on space uh currency or whatever that is that is an impulse that i appreciate greatly because a lot of people a lot of the skeptical quote unquote people could look at that as like a oh way to dodge the question but that's no in reality that's totally fine if you're an anthropologist being interviewed about something yeah like in a like a normal media setting and they're like what about

the deep lore of the banking system yeah i don't know that's not really an appropriate question for my field of expertise yeah it's a legit i'm not i'm not here for that yeah so i don't know so something that kerry is really interested in is who's like the new chrysalix who is the like point person if you had to name one for mars chrysalix 2.0 and boy you'd never be able to guess this is it the first person multiple liaisons on mars he was he was the supreme technocrat which was the martian term for a pre-factor governor uh huh okay well let's use that analogy who's who's now that person that has the role of chrysalis on mars for example so um currently the figurehead who officially resides donald trump the highest office on mars which is still called

supreme technocrat because of tradition that is a clone of david bowie is there lie really i'm serious there is a gold channel transmission line that the elite use to upload their consciousness and reincarnate on mars okay so there are actually a number of high profile dead celebrities on mars who have been allowed to immigrate there using this gold channel transmission and a young version of david bowie who chose to go into politics rather than music i'm sorry what is one of these individuals okay and for earth so um this is accepted i guess it's surprising information sure it's yeah so for earth it's the ai yeah that's the uh the point person right right right but for for mars it's uh clone of david bowie

clone of david i i like it i would vote for a clone of david bowie if that were available now sure i think it would i think it would open up a lot of questions about whether clones can hold office also we'd have to be like oh my god they can clone humans yeah but and let me throw it out at the at you this direction uh if it's bowie all those questions go out the window i'm cool with it as long as it's bowie yeah if it's bowie then i'm cool uh absolutely so uh conversation comes up about venus mm because there's talk of venusians yeah carry has heard i have heard that uh women are from there um that yeah and then this happens and oh no is there any truth to the venusians you know thor and various visitors from i'm sorry thor is from

venus are you familiar at all with the venus setup yes actually venus so i'm not i are you aware of that during the space race um and and after the space race during the cold war um the soviet union was obsessed with venus like americans were obsessed with mars so there's actually like there's a german pre-world war two history to the colony on mars there's a soviet history to colonization on venus so venus is different from mars because you go there and you're dealing with you know a planet that was colonized by the other side of the iron curtain um so there's there's um you know it soviet colonialism if you want to call it that it's debatable whether you can call it colonialism but their their foreign policy was fundamentally different from the theory behind

us foreign policy i i actually disagree with the term soviet empire i think empire is a misnomer there were certainly problematic aspects of their foreign policy but on the whole it seemed like they actually had more respect for autonomy of former colonial nations than the united states and our kind of side of globalism has had considering how many democratic elections the united states has overthrown in other parts of the world when they elect someone that we don't like okay but that that gets into how kooten is operating but i'm sorry give me one second okay jesus lionel lionel all right lionel okay no i'm not done yet the work okay all right i will call you as soon as i'm done thank you thank you sir

okay you know i don't i understand you're under pressure here okay yeah can't do the same bit twice i do however like the thank you sir right at the end of it that i appreciate that brings home a certain level of like i'm respectful of your suit commanding officer well sure and it also has like a vibe of i'm sort of taking a risk by talking to you or not not so much a risk but i'm i'm inconveniencing myself in some ways to give you this information and and have this conversation sure but i yeah i i still i i think i didn't i wasn't i wasn't super into the bit the first time right not so into it the second time well you can't do a call back to the bit because the bit isn't openly a bit so all you're doing is redoing the bit twice but do you so do you see

what i'm saying it's a call back to people who would watch it who get it sure but even then it is it i mean yes it is a call back but the the original is a call back to our joke you know what i'm saying so it's it's like yeah you're just doing the same bit again yeah yeah and it's not because you're trying to do the same bit again it is via the medium that the same bit occurs the only way that i really kind of give this a pass is if this was a polite way for him to try to end the interview it does seem he's trying to get out of it and if that i i don't actually i didn't really get that sense necessarily i have no idea but if if it were just a way to like be like i have to leave sure or whatever then it kind of takes on a different it's not as much fucking around and more

of like having a robust way to yeah to try and make an exit but no i don't know i don't i don't love it you know the way he was scrambling to try and fit russia onto venus while at the same time making sense of colonial past for america and russia to me that is like i'm gonna need a break you know i mean i need to i need to cut something out because i'm i'm struggling hit that joint by now he's a little bit struggling on like okay where am i gonna fit the soviet colonialism and then he kind of got distracted by it i think yeah yeah i would say end the interview but there's also a like this is more in the territory of stuff that kerry is asking him as opposed to like this story that he's rallying right all right and uh the the joint so maybe there's a less less

there's a more slipperiness yeah yeah yeah i mean i you've you've got don't chase a good time i feel like it's what we're living on sure yeah um so uh the topic of child trafficking comes up because of course this is a big deal for kerry um and burg has an interesting perspective on this whole thing and we haven't even talked about the child trafficking issue that's very much stems back to the reptilian influence on planet earth and humans so you know that's a whole issue as well um you know i don't know if you want to touch any of that your closing remarks but why don't you make some closing remarks about sex work on mars there's no child trafficking on mars there that's an earth problem um mars has legal unionized adult sex workers uh there's no labor

trafficking of children uh that now in in the chrysalis era you had child labor you had child soldiers the carver of the stone pipe that i mentioned to you in our previous interview was probably around 14 or 15 um that was just life in ancient times but um president dave bowie has gone to extreme lengths to ensure that human trafficking operations are curtailed in orbit and intercepted by martian defense ships by security ships there is no child trafficking on mars anyone who has told you that has been fooled by a scion and kerry if your viewers are are listening and really want to know what will make a difference in the lives of children there is one piece of advice i can give anyone who really wants to make a dent in child trafficking

and that is affirm and accept lgbt children okay she doesn't quite understand the the statement that he's making no it takes it i mean it's very foreign yeah project camelot yeah that is i'm sorry what yeah um yeah so i mean that makes sense in terms of reality yeah yeah yeah i mean if you're trying to apply real world advice into this fantasy scenario right then yeah right no i mean it's it is fascinating because she you know he's he's right you have to take on a journey to understand why you know like if you want to show your work as to why affirming lgbtq uh children is going to uh put a dent in human

trafficking you it's it's a it's a while you know it's not that hard though it's not that hard but for kerry well it would take a long time and she would disagree a lot on the way yeah she'd get distracted by a number of things exactly but yeah in in the real world there are you know studies about the vulnerability of lgbtq youth who you know don't have supportive structures around them oftentimes uh higher incidences of running away uh unhoused yes at a young age uh these are all things that put people in a position where they are at higher risk it's very clear and this advice that he's giving is good yeah man it's great i'm not sure that kerry fully understands it though uh okay but how does that make a real dent in child trafficking

why because those children are especially vulnerable to child trafficking that's a fact i'm actually been a state's witness about child trafficking on multiple occasions okay i'm we'll take that at base value uh how is that difficult for you to take it face value run by predominantly from what i understand you know white men yeah they are they are run primarily by white men and and there's this thing called you know what is in essence an adrenochrome highway and you're you're kind of intimating that they're particular as to a kind of child and you know well so i only know about child trafficking as i've encountered it as someone who has had some interactions with social workers and therapists

and educators i don't know about any of this cabal stuff i mean i know about secret space programs well okay are they down there i don't know about like secret space there are child trafficking rings but i think the um i think there's a lot of misinformation about what that looks like fair point um and also you can see here the way that kerry is uh misunderstanding yeah she thinks that what he's saying is that the people who are doing the rings they like to eat they like to drink lgbtq blood right yes as opposed to it being their weak intolerance puts people in systems without or in situations without strong support networks yeah um and that makes them more susceptible yeah or in in a in a higher risk uh circumstance yeah by being artificially placed in a weak position

they are taken advantage of by strong position people yes um and i think that that's really interesting that that's how kerry processes it yeah it makes sense for her to process it that way because it made no sense for me to even think that that was a possible way to process it so of course she did yeah i never even i would not have occurred to me that whoa they mean it means they like a special kind of blood did not occur to me well but i think i think it's because in her conception it's not like this issue isn't something that exists by way like within the context of society right right it doesn't exist in the structures of uh rates of homelessness right so of uh child runaways right youth runaways these things aren't factors that go into human trafficking

for her for her it's just i don't know children are a commodity i mean yeah i think so like i prefer this flavor or whatever you know it's basically that yeah and it's it i don't know it it's bizarre well she doesn't i mean and i think that's the way that a lot of people view it is that they don't view their i mean our complicity in the uh uh entire structure of society they don't view it as something that we are participating in they view it as these super evil powerful men are doing it to us you know right they are trafficking children because that's whatever they want and it doesn't matter what situation they're in they can grab any child they're all powerful that kind of thing it doesn't occur to them that like by way of society functioning as it

does they're there you know that kind of thing yeah and it's an interesting perspective the carry does not quite understand not even close so we end things with a burg doubling down on this ending message that he wants to uh send but part of the reason that child trafficking persists because of ignorance and when people internalize um ignorant mythologies about um like like obviously epstein really happened but like just you know throwing around the accusation of pedophile and anyone they have a political disagreement with is childish and it's not going to lead to any kind of social progress or reform or great reveal i will double down on it and say it again if you are listening to this and you want to really make a difference in the lives of kids who are the most

vulnerable to child trafficking affirm and accept lgb and trans children okay um not sure why anyone wouldn't accept them but wow lady i don't know wow um all right all right thank you so much you know major um you know it is so much fun to talk to you and there's so many other questions and places we could go so i i sincerely hope you'll come back i want to let you go so you don't get in any more trouble than you already are yeah vinyl's gonna be pissed at me yeah well and i don't want him pissed at me so let's let's close this down so see like ending this with inviting him back and saying like i don't want you to get in more trouble which is accepting the reality of that phone call yep so there is

there is it doesn't seem like these things that he has brought into the conversation are dealbreakers right in terms of whatever potential i guess he has as a space insider sure to to the ongoing narratives of Project Camelot but which i think is interesting yeah um i don't know if we'll do a third episode my sense on it is i uh one i a great job this is this is well done i think the first one was great job this is a good job i mean i mean in so far as maintaining the core reality of what you're doing while at the same time being able to improvise somewhat still within that reality and still being able to play along with her reality on top of that over two hours yeah that's that's what i'm saying that's a great job on that yeah that is tough to do i think i think

that if just those phone calls weren't there i might have a like a solid marks all around sure because i think the perspectives that are provided by the allegorical story of the history of mars the messages that you get with like the the idea that the draco sent they're unwanted and they became productive members of the martian society yeah the stuff about not seeing uh like groups of aliens as uh like determined by their group right their personalities and their capabilities and their character right the stuff about druse and his group you know being the way you see them from inside versus outside sure the bringing uh and affirming trends and lgbtq in general existence and rights these things are very positive and them existing in this space is

extremely good yeah it is but i also don't know i don't have a ton of faith that it will make as much of a difference to carrie like i don't know if he'll be able to swing her over to accepting some of this uh more i mean hey thankfully if we're going to if we're going to say to people fucking don't clown on alex because he doesn't care about the 10 people who clown on alex it's the one person who comes over and starts watching your show fuck yeah man don't i fuck it carrie and her ilk are going to be fucked up there's no chance for that but if there's one out of every 10 people watching that goes shit that is a perspective yeah you know what i i think that there there is something to that um yeah it's hard it's hard though because

it's hard to accept that and and uh maintain the feeling that i have that is other people shouldn't do this right right right and i think one of the reasons is because outside of that phone call i don't feel like i said i don't feel like this is a prank right and i don't know if i would believe that most people could handle doing this in a non-malicious way yeah i i mean what we uh well i think part of the reason that we shouldn't do another episode on this is because you know the first one we had plausible deniability now i also was not confirmed i was not fully convinced myself yeah plausible deniability is no no that's what that's no no he had plausible deniability and we didn't know yeah for sure yeah there were signs but we didn't know i didn't catch

even some of the signs until after we put the episode out and people people told us signs yeah yeah that kind of stuff i'm not i'm not faking ignorance no no no so we we're we're back here and this is golden i think if we do it again we're doing the same bit again because all we can really analyze here because we don't really have to analyze too much of of his story i mean or no not analyze dissect it you know right like he doesn't have those those wide swaths of yada yada yada's where if you put that in there you're like what the fuck yeah and something fun about this is you know it like trying to jump into uh the reality where this person believes what they're saying sure and so that is kind of some of the fun of the space weirdo stuff right and it's too

obvious that he doesn't believe this stuff so it's not like even stuff you have to integrate you're looking at it as like oh this is the allegorical and metaphorical thing that that is being said right and that's fun enough right textual analysis essentially right exactly it is definitely that and to to the point of it's not a prank that is 100 percent uh correct and why i agree with you people shouldn't do this because unlike pranking uh somebody where they're they're taking on the trappings of their bullshit in order to embarrass them yeah this feels like a person who learned the language to speak to these people in sort of yeah you know and anthropologist in a way you know he isn't the butt of this no the ideas of sort of i don't think anybody's the

intolerance is the butt of it yeah i don't think if anything yeah he's trying to communicate through their world what we learn through our history there is there is a feeling of that yeah and i yeah i think that i think that the first episode was a revelation in terms of like this is bizarre this is completely out of sync totally and then yeah it would be suspicious if we didn't do an episode about him coming back of course yeah but in the future i don't think we'll cover every time he's on or anything but it's not for us it's for them sure i love the way he's doing we wish you well i hope i hope that um you know i don't thank you for sharing with us but i also hope you don't i'm guessing that this guy would listen to this so my message is no those are the only two he doesn't

listen i hope you don't have some sort of a malicious intent that you're waiting to reveal because that'll make me feel like shit man if you he'll turn us on top of fooling us on top of fooling carry if you've got the trifecta of fooling us god damn then i mean more respect to you chrysalix but i didn't got nothing for that i pray that's not the case yeah it's a good dude maybe probably let's say anyway we'll be back jordan uh but until then we have a website we do it's knowledge right dot com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter tat knowledge underscore fight yep uh we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dcx clark i'm wilford snibble snabble of the grubble pibble and now here comes the sex robots andy and chansas you're on

the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first name caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you