Knowledge Fight - #738: Taking a Powder With Chowder

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan go slightly off the beaten path to explore a recent appearance Alex made on Louder With Crowder, primarily to see how Alex spins his giant defamation judgment in a different venue than his home field.  Unfortunately, that involves Steven Crowder.

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I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around and worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today buddy? My bright spot today Jordan is we have reached the end of sneak weekend. Ah yes. It's been long. Yeah. Yeah. I am thrilled that you know we had an opportunity to sit down and talk to Mark and Liz and you know I think I there's an argument that could be made that we could have put that all out on Monday or something.

Sure. But I just feel like things are coming so fast that we just got to you know keep moving. You know the the trial the end of it the verdict. Yeah. If we drag that out too long we're going to end up still responding to it a month from now. Yeah. Generally speaking I feel like most of our decisions over the past six years could have been argument that they were not the right one and yet here we are so let's write it out. It's debatable that we shouldn't be doing this. I say let it ride. That's where I'm at. Yeah. So I'm glad that sneak weekend was received well by the folks. Appreciate all the very positive comments.

And then overall I mean like I just I have I have some other fun stuff that's going on that I can't really talk about right now. I've seen a couple of great tweets mostly memes with animals in them. Sure. You know those. I can't remember any of them specifically but I remember hey that was fun. Yeah this is an info whereas you're not going to talk about a meme for the next five hours. It doesn't prove anything. No.

Just that it was a cute animal. It was cute. Yeah. So I guess it's kind of vague but that's my bright spot. It's sort of a combination. A gestalt as Alex might say. You know I was I was coming in here thinking very similarly as to what my bright spot was that kind of just a bit of an achievement like an accomplishment but at the same time.

Yeah it's just like we did it you know. Yeah. And now we get to keep doing stuff. Indeed. What I thought would be fun or something would be nice is to take a little bit of a trip off the beaten path. Good call. And instead of doing some of the things that we tend to do like wacky Wednesday stuff or going to the past. I thought what we would do is talk about Alex Jones appearing as a guest on Stephen Crowder show.

Oh. Louder with Crowder. Oh my God. So that is we're going to be covering today. Oh boy. Just after he got hit with that billion is right after it is. So he knows that there's a billion on his head. This is damage control time.

Right. And one of the reasons that I chose to do this was we you know you see how Alex responds on his show and it's pretty do regular. It's it's going to be the same thing over and over again. Yeah. It's going to be very repetitive. We've heard him say that he didn't do anything on purpose and it was a bad. Maybe there will be some slight variation some interesting blow ups and what have you. But I wanted to see what it looks like when he's on a different platform trying to preach to a different audience.

Are we going to get a life's very fragile. He might be drunk. There's no apples. So we'll get down to business on this Jordan. But first let's say hello to somebody who wants. Oh that's a great idea. So first Mike best. Thank you so much.

You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next the ghost of Ennio Maraconi who's tired of hearing Alex use ecstasy of gold from the good the bad and the ugly coming out of ad breaks. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Boogie was a ghost. Halloween season. That's very specific ghost. Next Wilford Snipple Snabel of the Brooklyn Gribble Pibbles Esquire. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

As a lawyer. Yeah. Next I am not a Russian agent. Svetlana. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Thank you. And Eva not Eva. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much Eva. I'm still not convinced I pronounced it right. Well.

Also we got a technocrat in the mix Jordan. So thank you so much to Hexacult. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. I'm just going to take a little break now. A little break for me.

And then we're going to come back. And I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I've got to be taken out of here. I've been on this. Fuck you. Fuck you. I've got plenty of words for you.

But at the end of the day. Fuck you in your new world order. And fuck the horse you rode in on. And all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month. Maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk you out of here tomorrow.

And you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. Please. Damn.

So I never really wanted to cover Steven Crowder. And we won't generally. But Alex was on his show to whine about the Connecticut verdict. So I felt like it was important for us to see how Alex was dealing with that whole situation when he's in a new environment. Infor's broadcasts are primarily for the initiated. Whereas something like going on Crowder is hopefully roping in new people for him.

Right. Of course it would be better if he could go on Rogan. But that doesn't seem like it's happening. So Crowder is going to have to do for now. I've not sat down to watch a full episode of Crowder before his dumb show Louder with Crowder. Yeah. I don't even know about that name.

I think that's a dumb name. I have heard Louder with Crowder. We've said the name Steven Crowder. I still have no idea who he is and I refuse to find out. It infuriates me every time somebody says Louder with Crowder. But I mean, is it like he's just he yells more than other people? Because I don't think that's true. I don't know.

I don't like it. They just picked a word that rhymes with Crowder. They could have picked Chowder with Crowder and he could have eaten stuff. It would have been the same idea. Yeah. He doesn't wear like more flamboyant outfits, like colorful, loud suits.

I don't know. I don't. I think yeah. I think it's a bad name. I think what you do is you go way too far with it. You know, you go rowdy or with crowdier. You go an extra step that makes everybody really uncomfortable. That's the way you do it.

No, because I was thinking like if I had a show where I like did favors for people, I could say please and with reason. Please and with reason, yes. That would be okay. I'm mad that I got there. But if we call this show that it wouldn't make sense. Or if I tried to overthrow a government, I could be treason with reason. Sure.

If I had a show, again, that name wouldn't work. If I had a travel show, it could be Rome's with Holmes. Definitely. Yeah. Or a book show, Tomes with Holmes. Oh, that's a good one. I think I should have that show. Yeah.

See, these work. Yes. He's makes sense because they would be about the thing that they are. It's good when a rhyme fits. Right. It's silly when it's forced. And I don't understand what louder with Crowder means. He should have to be regularly a decibel level above other shows.

You were substantially louder than him. I demand it. Yeah. So there's one thing that immediately jumped out to me watching this show. And that was that the show is very dumb. Like it's transparently dumb. Arguments are based on false points and the humor is painful. The thing you have to realize when you watch this is that it's kind of

supposed to be dumb. The audience of the show is as Steven Crowder has tweeted about before, it's at least half of the audience is under 16. So this show is aimed at children. And I haven't been able to confirm that figure in any way, but he said it and I have no reason to doubt it. He has the analytics. Can you do that?

I guess you can. I feel like this is as bad as smoking, like pushing right wing bullshit to children is as bad as advertising for smoking to be fair. Half of the audience is between 17 and 18. I don't know. Great. There might be some adults in there.

Okay. One of the reasons I've avoided doing too much about Crowder up till this point is that he has a lot of his content behind paywalls. For instance, the last time Alex was on for his weird performatively masculine cigar club session, the first part of it was public, but then the rest of it that you'd actually want to watch is not. We may be coming to a point where I stop over respecting these ding-dongs intellectual property, but I don't think I'm quite there yet.

Steven Crowder is repugnant. He's a horrible person and his career has been a shameful series of horrible embarrassments that he's been able to parlay into having a very successful YouTube talk show that appeals to kids with sophomoric racist jokes and sophomoric anti-LGBTQ jokes. I don't want to do too deep a dive on his trajectory, but here's a summation of his career path. Okay.

He tried to be a stand-up comedian, but he sucked at it, so he went to a right-wing agitator grift, catching the attention of Fox News when he got punched in the face by a union protester who he was harassing. Great. This rose his stature and he began making his own content, most notably a segment called Change My Mind, where he would show up at a college campus and sit at a table waiting for college students on their way to class to join him for a spirited debate.

That's that guy? He's the meme of the guy with the shit? Yeah, that was his show. Oh my God. Fuck that guy. Yeah. The college student was of course unprepared and probably late for class and Steve could edit the videos however he wanted, so the series was a big hit.

It kind of falls into the same vein as Mark Dice's Man on the Street segments where his father's drunk people on the boardwalk and then tries to make a political point out of it. As his profile has grown, Steven has made a habit out of being a pile of shit, doing half-cooked segments based on deeply racist and anti-LGBTQ talking points that are easily debunkable and not persuasive at all. Well, they're not persuasive at all to adults, I should say. They all might be very convincing to a child who are naturally his target audience.

See, but that's the problem there. We understand that's the problem with this. Because we know about it because of the smoking thing. It's illegal to smoke. It's illegal to advertise for children. We got to figure this shit out. In essence, his show is about taking extreme right-wing views and dangerous right-wing ideologues and laundering them so they can be enjoyed and accepted by high schoolers.

Basically, I think he's one of the worst folks in this space, but also I don't know what our show can really add to that conversation. If YouTube cared at all about the safety of the children and teens who use the platform, he would have been kicked off long ago. That's really, I think, probably the solution here if they want to do something about it. He can't really do that much damage if he's just limited to being on Glenn Beck's Blaze Network or his own thing, like fine. Limit his reach quite a bit.

Make it more difficult for kids to find it. It's so weird. That's like having a Hannah Montana show where they take the Montana part really literally and she's a white nationalist. She's got a compound. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hannah Montana.

Yeah. And here, kids, first I'm going to transfer into pop star and then we're going to find out exactly how the great replacement theory really works, kids, with this happy song. Yeah. I mean, like he's had Stefan Malanou on. Oh, okay. Well, then there we go. To give you some idea of like the people he's laundering, you know, he's Alex on at

least multiple times. I don't have a full guest list for him, but you don't really need one at a certain point. Right. Yeah. Noted hilarious white nationalist, Stefan Malanou. Yeah. Anyway, in the aftermath of the Connecticut verdict, Alex went on to discuss the situation with Steven and here we are to give you some sense of the scene.

Steven is sitting in his studio at a desk with two louder with Crowder mugs on it. He sells mugs and he has this thing called the mug club. So this is a very important piece of the tableau. Oh my God. He's also wearing one of his own shirts because you always got to be pushing that merch man. Always be selling. Don't wear your own shirts and he's wearing an over the shoulder holster.

So you know that he loves guns. I'm sorry. What? Yeah. He's wearing a holster like he's going to like he's a police chief. You got to wear in the world is Carmen San Diego. You got to know that he's strapped and ready in case a duel breaks out during the show. Listen up gum shoes.

Also, there's another gun on the desk. So it's it's pretty. What a fucking moron. Pretty ridiculous. Those are not loaded. What's pathetic? It might be projecting a little bit too much strength and bravado for me to take that at all seriously.

Yeah. Indiana Jones. I don't want to get into the show, but this whole episode is more or less about rationalizing Alex's verdict and complaining about it. And it's titled exclusive interview with Alex Jones. This means war exclamation point. So to get a sense of the temperature, I wanted to start at the beginning and see the tone we're working with.

Although you will find out that I did not end up sticking to that. Yeah. Good call. I skipped ahead to Alex showed up at a certain point. I was like, this show is so dumb. Listen, if you say failed comedian, I'm not interested and that's why I don't listen to you. So here's where we start off.

And I think that this is some load of shit to start. Hey, if I sound windy, that's because I've been running around here. We've been testing, making sure that everything works. We have Alex Jones on the show today. And I would appreciate it. Look, I know that many of you have different opinions. Let me just give you a little bit of a rundown here. I was not an Alex Jones fan for a very long time.

I made it known. I had criticized him here on this show. I was criticized for all the criticism of him. But we're at a point right now. And we'll be talking about this today. We'll be showing you a montage of the end zone dance from not only the elites in Hollywood, not only the elites in media, but the elites in government, government officials actually championing this silencing real quick.

This is like a clip of Jimmy Kimmel making a joke and the government officials are Jen Socky tweeted something. She's not even the press secretary anymore. Alex made a big target out of her for a while. I would not be surprised if she received quite a bit of harassment due to Alex's actions. That probably wouldn't be legally actionable since she's a public figure. Right. You know, all of that.

But yeah, they're making a bit of a mountain out of it. Less professional, maybe a little bit more personal of speech. And that is absolutely what it is. Regardless of where you line up, there's an inflection point right now in this country. And the reason that we're having Alex Jones on, and we've had him on, is because I hate seeing people being bullied. This couldn't be further from the truth. Stephen loves a good bit of bullying.

And he actually leads bullying campaigns sometimes, like he did in the case of Carlos Mazza. Also, Alex isn't being bullied. He's the bully. And Stephen is trying to launder that reality to his audience of children, so they think that Alex is the victim here. And I think that's shameful. Also, Stephen is saying that he has criticisms of Alex. And I think he's a coward.

List your criticisms. Yeah. What are they? Yeah, to his face. Try that. Yeah, see if you get an answer on any of them. See how the rest of the things that you like about him, see how long those survive after you give him one small criticism.

Well, I think that Alex would probably dodge and stuff, because he needs someone like Stephen now. He has like five plus million subscribers on YouTube. Really? Yeah, so like Alex needs that kind of a platform, because he's not going to get it from Rogan. Right, right, right. And there aren't a whole lot of other options that Alex has

like who's going to be a giant platform for me to go on. Am I going to have to go start talking to Twitch streamers? Jesus, yeah. Hasan, have me on. Man, he's going to have to. That's where he's going to be. So like, I think that he could get away with voicing some of these criticisms to Alex, whatever they might be.

But he wouldn't get any response that's meaningful or any resolution of these. Of course. Or even recognition of these criticisms. No, they'd be a dodge. I think that it would be far more meaningful for him to express what his misgivings are and what his criticisms are of Alex to the audience in a neutral environment

where they could take those criticisms in and then decide like, huh, is that something I'm actually really concerned about too? Well, one of my criticisms, maybe it's he lies all the time. That could be an issue. Um, well, huh. If one of your if one of your criticisms prior to an interview is my interview subject

is an inveterate and almost pathological liar, perhaps you will take those answers that he gives in the interview with a different grain of salt as opposed to if you didn't tell them that at all. Right. Right. And I was, I was thinking one of his, uh, like sort of criticisms of Alex might be

that he barely thinks that Muslims are human. That's an issue. But I think that Steven's audience wouldn't have as much of a problem with that. No, they'd be stoked. So, um, you know, he tries to frame the interview in a particular way. And, uh, obviously, uh, it's that, you know,

Alex didn't, you know, he didn't do that much wrong. You know, when you have someone like Alex Jones who, if you've watched his career and I do consider him a friend now, I will say this on a personal level, he's been around, uh, from what I know of him, he's a good man, a flawed man. He's talked about it here on air. To me, it's refreshing when he's on air.

Uh, he was on air on Ash Wednesday and said, you know, maybe I drank a little too much and, uh, you know, I have it. He'll tell you about his flaws. But for a man who speaks publicly for hours, hours on end, and then, uh, misspeaks or gets something wrong, and then apologizes, and then is punished anyway.

And then the government jumps in. People, I guess, former press secretary, but current members of the government and entities who are backed by the government, be it banks, be it big tech organizations, deciding to put you in stocks in the town square. The message is really loud. With crowd.

And I hope that you're hearing it. If you make a mistake, not only is there a double standard, which we'll talk about, if you have a belief that other people find to be offensive, and of course it's a sliding scale, we know that we've gone further and further down the trail here, look behind you, there's a slippery slope. Shut up!

And you apologize. Shut the fuck up! They only get worse. What do I mean, they? The left. I mean, the left. Why is it left or right? They've made it left or right.

This is tough. This is fucking horrendous. What just happened? People watch this shit? Yeah, I guess so. Oh my God, what is wrong with me? Why is it, why am I the weirdo here? I don't know.

That is horrendous. Yeah, it's pretty bad. But what he is doing here is a clear attempt to set the parameters of the conversation. It's just being taken as gospel that Alex misspoke or got some things wrong. He apologized and he's being punished anyway. That's what all the episode will be in response to.

And because of that, it's going to be meaningless. If the basis and the foundation that you're building your house on is sand, you're not going to have a good house. Yeah. It's not going to be a house that I'm even going to inspect. I mean. Because it's going to be, it's going to collapse. Also, this stuff is already a little over dramatic.

Yeah. A little melodramatic on, on Crowder's part. Yeah. That put you in the stocks. I, I mean. If they just, if you disagree with them. Here's the problem. Okay.

I feel like the stocks would have been a more effective response to Alex than what is happening right now. If we had actually been like at the very beginning, like, hey, you've, you done fucked up, you misspoke. And maybe that's what happened. Maybe you misspoke, but guess what? You fucked up. So you go in the stocks for a week and then everybody

with tomatoes and shit, and then we'll see if it's a misspeaking, if you do it again. Can I, can I request that the tomatoes be soaked in booze? Yes, you may. Yes, you may. That's, that's just a consideration. That's a consideration for all of our stocks clients. So again, more, more setting the table.

Sure. I don't care if you agree with Alex Jones or not. It doesn't matter. And by the way, this is so clear. It's so obvious that that's a big reason that the court said, you cannot argue that this is political persecution. Do you understand that was, this trial was predicated on that? He wasn't even allowed to argue that because he didn't provide

additional finances. I'm not saying mistakes weren't made across the board, but I hope that all of you understand. So look, Stephen made a bit of a mistake there. He says, quote, I'm not saying that mistakes weren't made across the board, which tells me very clearly that he understands that actions Alex and his lawyers made during the discovery process led to the default.

I'm against consequences as, as a principle. Right. Yeah. Stephen's just trying to hand wave that away and encourage this adolescent audience from giving any validity to people who would tell them that the default was very much earned. He's basically doing PR work for, for Alex. Yeah.

And it's, it's ridiculous. Yeah. If you have the awareness that mistakes were made on both sides, hey, let's talk about what those mistakes were that Alex made. Yeah. Because it's going to be a mountain of them. It's going to be enough to very clearly justify a default judgment.

Yeah. I mean, it is, you know, we talked about it with Liz just a little bit, but, but that idea of like when Alex is in the courtroom, not allowed to do Alex shit. People aren't convinced by Alex shit. You know, like it's because of the priming, you know, like Crowder is priming people. If you just talk to Alex cold.

Totally. Fuck you. You need to lose a billion dollars. Just a basic conversation. Like what the fuck is this guy talking about? What are you doing? Why are you bringing up Hillary? Leave me alone.

Yeah. Or even like these people are so young or watching Stephen, they might be like, who's Hillary? What is happening? So, uh, Steve has some interesting thoughts about the idea of debanking. You are at a point in this country where you are paying taxes to fund the theft of food from the mouths of your kids.

All under the guise of first amendment only protects the government stopping you from saying something. That's all it does. It prevents the government from stopping you. Okay. By that same token, shouldn't JP Morgan, shouldn't JP Chase, whatever their abbreviation is, these things are all these giant conglomerates.

If they're backed by our tax dollars, they're guaranteed if they've received hundreds of billions of dollars and if you adjust for inflation the last few months, hundreds of trisillion dollars in taxpayer dollars, are they allowed to deny you your fundamental constitutional rights? What point do we separate private business from government? I don't even know what the point is here. And I think the only way that this argument actually works is

if Stephen is advocating nationalizing the facts. I mean, what are you doing? Yeah. I mean, I know that he's not because that's some straight-up Lenin shit. Obviously. Yeah. You fucking moron.

I don't know if the banking industry taking government money means that they're bound by all the rules that government entities are. But if we were to nationalize the banks, then you'd have a good argument here that they should have to follow the same guidelines of the government. Yeah. I mean, does he not?

Like he doesn't get that at all. Like zero awareness of what he's actually advocating for is he's such a piece of shit he's gone through to the other side. He's like, see, the problem with cancel culture is we need to nationalize the banking system. Is that what he's trying to say? I think that if you take this thought a little bit further, you also start to understand how dumb like his version of it is,

which is like, I guess it's that if they take tax dollars, then they're bound by those rules. What about people who are on social security? Do they have to follow all the government's guidelines? What do you do? Or what about farmers who take subsidies? Do you want everybody who takes any kind of thing from the government to now be beholden to all the same rules?

Because then, I mean, we get into a really weird place. Right, right. I think what we're seeing is what happens to people when they're allowed to speak by themselves with no disagreement and they aren't capable of disagreeing with themselves. Do you know what I mean? Like when I have a thought that's that dumb, another part of my brain will be like, don't say that out loud.

And then I'll be like, why shouldn't I say that out loud? And it'll have a really good point. And I'll be like, good call. And then you say it out loud. Yeah, well, obviously, but I do it with a funny voice. It'd be fine. But he doesn't have that. He doesn't have it.

And he just talks by himself. So nobody's like, stop it. That's dumb. Well, the first thing that happens when you're in that kind of a predicament is you start to wear shoulder holsters for no reason. Oh, my God. And then the second thing that happens is, yeah.

I really still can't believe that. I understand that you're describing something that has to be real, but I'm seeing it as a cartoon. Oh, it is cartoonish. OK. Good. So he has two co-hosts. I don't know their names.

I don't remember them because I don't care. And they have a little bit of a rap. You know, they sit down and they really work out some of the issues. They talk about the big issues. You are setting me up for disaster. Well, I don't know if you know this, but the Parkland trial has been going on.

Oh, my God, no. So, all right. By the way, they're doing the Parkland shooting. They reached a verdict that they're going to announce. Isn't it just guilty and fry them? I mean, I thought this was a pretty closed. Let me know when we have the broadcast of Vegas. Yeah.

I know the guy's dead. So, but, you know, maybe some facts about what happened. Maybe about Sutherland Springs, fifth deadliest in American history. OK. So I guess they just want the death penalty, which is, I mean, they're pretty anti-government as a whole. I guess they want death penalty.

And I guess they also don't want due process because they just want you to be found guilty and then death penalty. Has anybody ever stopped to think about what these people would do if they could write the Constitution again? It would be a mess. Like, can you imagine? What do they think government does is the first question that I have to have?

Nothing but kill you. And everything. And also, I want them to be able to kill me. But as long as I'm the only person who can decide, why is that always the underpinning of fascism? And also no taxes. Exactly. So with the government to not exist and also to kill people

I don't like. Yeah. One of the things that I think is really funny too is that Steven realizes mid-sentence that the Las Vegas shooter is dead. And for what it's worth, the perpetrator of the Sutherland Springs shooting is also dead. Yeah.

There's plenty of information available about both of these events. If Steven would like to take the time to read, I would explain things to him. If he brought up specific points, I would be happy to get into it. But he just says the names of these shootings and then pretends there's a cover-up.

So I got nothing. I mean. It's a useless show. Okay. Teleporter? Give it to me. And I just tackle people whenever they say dumb shit. Like I become that.

I don't have, I'm not a superhero. I don't solve problems. I will just show up immediately after Steven Crowder says something insane like that, tackle him and then teleport away. And I feel like that's a worthy noble cause. Well, I mean, you'll get arrested for assault, but that trial,

I teleport away. That trial would be really interesting because I teleport. Well, even if you didn't, right, the prosecution would have to deal with the fact that you teleported. Yeah, that would be an issue.

They would have to discuss the mechanism of you teleporting away. And I'd be like, ah, that doesn't exist. Teleport away. Reasonable doubt. So they are apparently doing some shows, some live shows. And there's a plug for one.

And this is where I kind of lost my interest in this show as a whole. Yeah. Tell me, tell me if you think this feels a little bit racist. Here we go. And then not Baltimore, December 3rd, because we couldn't find a venue in DC. Sorry.

You have to go to the shithole that is Baltimore. But hey, at least it's not Haiti. DC. Yeah. Or DC. No, Baltimore is worse than DC. Is it? It's DC without any of the charms.

Well, I mean the people. Sure. And you can go to, uh, Yikes. It doesn't feel good. What do you think these three dudes associate with Haiti, Baltimore and DC? What do you think is there?

Like when they open their minds, I to see the things that they associate with Baltimore, DC and Haiti. Mm hmm. Yeah. It's a little and when he says it's the people. Yeah. I mean, a little much.

Come on. Quiet, quiet part. That's the quiet part. Uh, I wrote the book on it, but hey, it's just, I mean, they're jokes. They're joking. They're going on a comedy tour. Oh my God.

So Alex shows up and, uh, um, he's, he's a pro. Mr. Jones. Oh, okay. I see that. I see that smirk. What were you saying? Was that a dirty joke? No, I said I'm really jealous of that shirt.

I'm going to rip it off. Make my own copy. Well, come on now. Well, then now, now, then I want the coolest shirt. That is the coolest shirt I've seen yet. Absolutely. Uh, but no, but what you're talking about is absolutely true. And I'd love to give everybody the inside baseball.

What really happened with the case, how it's a precedent center and where it's going because. Alex, hold on a second. Alex, cause I want to give you the floor. Okay. Alex is trying to steamroll him. Yeah. Which is great.

Yeah. And then the second thing that's awesome is right when he comes out the gate, Alex flatters Stephen with like, that's a great shirt, but then also establishes himself as an alpha by saying, I'm going to steal your shirt. Yep. Dominance. Dominance move.

And then tries to steamroll him and Stephen has to be like, hold on now. Hold on. I think, I think I'm supposed to be a host here. It is, it is interesting the way he both tries to acknowledge that he's not going to win the steamroll comp competition. And at the same time, trying to establish dominance on his own show by saying, I'm going to let you steamroll me, Alex.

Right. Haha. Yeah. Well done. Stephen is steamrolling competition against the bullhorn trainer. Yeah. That is Alex Jones.

Yeah. Bullhorn expert. So Stephen, the reason that he wants to pretend to be a host in some ways is because he knows who Alex is. He knows how he communicates. And he also knows that without guidance, Alex is going to say just whatever the fuck he wants. And it's not going to be a useful interview for him.

And he's going to do the thing that he's trying to tell people right now that he is apologized for. He's going to defame the senior there. You don't know if he is or not. There's a danger. Yeah. I mean, it's very close to being an inevitability. You want to have some guide rails.

Right. Right. And that's kind of what Stephen's trying to do. And so I want to lead this right now because I think this is pivotal. And we've done several multi-hour long shows. But for some reason this gets lost. And I want you to correct me if I have this wrong. So in 2017, as an example, because the narrative is Sandy Hook,

you tormented the parents. You called them out by name and you continually harassed them. From what I understand, and I have some quotes here in front of me, and I want you to tell me if I'm misquoting you, you admitted you were wrong and you apologized. And I think that's key because I still want to go after you anyway. So 2017, you talked about an epiphany you had on Father's Day. You said, forgive me, on Father's Day,

I want to reach out to the parents of the slain children at the horrible tragedy in Newtown, Connecticut, and give you my sincere condolences. You said that, right? Yes. Okay, you also said, I'd also like to reach out to any of the parents who lost a child at Newtown to invite them to contact me to open a dialogue because I think it's really essential we do that

instead of letting the mainstream media misrepresent things and really try and drive this nation apart. You said that, right? Before they sued me. Yes, before they sued you. And then in 2019, and in deposition, you said, and I myself have almost like a form of psychosis in the past where I basically thought everything was staged,

even though I've now learned a lot of times things aren't staged. And I'm not saying this to embarrass you, Alex. I'm saying it because you were clear and that you had a change of heart or you believed that you were wrong or you believed you made a mistake, which I think is admirable. And I think the fact that they want to browbeat you after that is what is so scary. Stephen sure does seem to be ignoring the fact that in Alex's video that was titled his final statement on Sandy Hook,

he literally said quote, if children were lost in Sandy Hook, my heart goes out to each and every one of those parents and the people who say their parents that I see on the news. The only problem is I've seen a lot of soap operas and I've seen actors before and I know when I'm watching a movie and when I'm watching something real. That was in late 2016.

Alex only said the things that Stephen's reading because of the Megan Kelly interview that was about to come out. Alex knew was going to come out around Father's Day and Neil Heslin was going to be interviewed in it so he was trying to get ahead of any controversy. He was also still repeating the basic conspiracy theories about the shooting at this point, just holding back some things that he thought could be legally actionable.

Stephen's also ignoring that after this point, Owen Schreuer did his video about how Neil Heslin couldn't have held his son after the shooting and Alex reported on that, which in many ways really does undo any goodwill that he might want to pretend he has from his feigned apology. Stephen's also ignoring that in October 2017, Alex said, quote, it's as phony as a $3 bill

with CNN doing fake newscasts and blue screens. Stephen's also ignoring that Alex has said that he thinks Sandy Hook probably was fake at least twice on air while the trials have been ongoing, including once in the last two weeks. This is all good and fun to create these strawman versions of what Alex actually did and the reason he's facing consequences, but it's not real.

Stephen knows it's not real, but Alex's existence is pretty helpful for his brand, so we pretend this and the people who are watching Stephen's show probably don't have any interest in debunking this nonsense that he's feeding them. Yeah, if you're going to bring up the deposition and you're going to quote Alex from the deposition, that deposition convinces me that Alex is guilty of all the things.

Well, he's not quoting the deposition. He's quoting like an article about it probably because that psychosis thing was something that a lot of media outlets used as a pull out from the deposition. He's not actually aware of anything that was discussed in these depositions. All right, that makes sense. Right, because again, I think I could never prove this, but I think that there's a vested interest in being willfully ignorant

among a lot of people like Stephen. Yeah. Because if he had to cope with, or, if he had to accept publicly that he was aware of the depositions and the things that were in it, he would then be responsible for rationalizing and justifying those things. Yeah. And he couldn't do that.

No. He would have to be like, whoa, Alex, you fucked up real bad. You're a piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it is fascinating because these fucking pieces of shit who are trying to avoid defending Alex, or avoid, you know, wading into having to defend Alex's actual behavior. If they were on the jury, they'd be like, yeah, this guy's got to fucking go.

You know, like without the ability to avoid acknowledging what is actually happening, without the ability to deny it, when you are forced to look it directly into the eye every day for five fucking weeks. Yeah, I know what he did. And I think that's one of the reasons why I think Bobby Barnes is such a asshole. Yeah. He knows. He knows.

He was in one of the depositions at least. He's there. He was their lawyer. He knows all this shit. He's still pretending, oh, I don't understand why any of this is happening. It's all just kangaroos and railroad tracks or whatever the fuck. There is no deniability from Barnes whatsoever, because honestly, Barnes was probably looking at that billion-dollar judgment and going,

man, I wish I had been a competent enough lawyer for them to hire me so I could have sued Alex Jones for a fucking billion dollars. Or even because he was going to lose. Or even I wish that I could be a competent enough lawyer to have stayed Alex's lawyer to the point where I lose a billion-dollar verdict, because then I could get so much attention. Yeah. I'd be all over the place, lying about everything.

You'd be a star, Bobby Barnes. Anyway, Alex is allowed to tell his version of events. And what do you know? It's all bullshit. Here's what really happened. Yes. Here's what really happened. I could give you the latest information where they're going with it.

It's going to affect everybody. And they've, thank you, sir. Okay. Sandy Hook happens. It's a huge political event. Obama has him in the White House. It's going on. I think maybe somebody helped the kid kill these kids.

The whole story is bizarre. And then about a year after it, all these professors and people that sound incredible come out and school safety experts and say that they thought it was just completely staged and things like Operation Northwoods that talked about staging attacks on school kids that didn't exist as a pretext for war with Cuba and Russia. So I said, yeah, a lot of stuff's been staged. Maybe this is. So I did four or five programs from like 2000 and I guess 13, 14, questioning maybe that

it was staged. This is a lot of shit. Alex is saying that he thought it might be fake on the day of the shooting on his show. James Tracy, the professor that he's talking about was first on Info Wars on January 18th, 2013. A year later, not years later. Wolfgang Halbig didn't show up until later. That is fair.

And he's the school safety officer that Alex is referencing. But Alex is completely ignoring Steve Pacenek. Steve was coming on Alex's show saying no one died at the school on March, within March, 2013. Yeah. And he was pretending to be a reporter on the scene in the DMZ. Right. Alex's timeline is all screwed up because he's just conveying his well rehearsed self-defense

version of events. Stephen is a shitty interviewer and he has no interest in calling Alex out. So this timeline will stand and be presented to his giant impressionable audience as gospel. And it's just not true. If he had any interest in pursuing the truth, he would have familiarized himself with these things and pointed out the many points at which Alex's story diverges from reality. I mean, I would have stopped him right there and been like, wait, stop. Who helped him?

Who helped him kill all those kids? Did you just say right now that you still think someone helped him? No, no, no, no, no, no. I think he was saying that at the time immediately, that was what his suspicion was. Okay. Yeah. I think he was saying in like December, 2012, that's where his mind is. All right.

Because that's not what he said. That's how I read what he was saying. I mean, the problem was he started by saying, I'll give you the latest news. No, no, no, no. He said, I will tell you what happened and get to the latest things and what's going on, what they're planning. All right. I feel like he just did it again, but I could have, I could have poor sentence structure

or he could. Yeah. It's a little bit up in the air. I have listened to this and I'm pretty confident that this is all like an encapsulation of the past. Gotcha. Okay. But yeah, look, it was all Hillary, man.

Hillary and the Democrats start running this, this false news campaign during 2016 campaign that I'm Trump's brain. They look, look at this flamboyant, wild guy. He's a populist. He's got a lot of people supporting Trump. Let's make him a liability. Let's take the worst up. He set out a context and run tens of millions of TV ads against Trump using Alex Jones saying

he's Trump's brain. And one thing, one thing just to make really clear is just again for the YouTube gods, you understand how this is, Alex, you were, I'm saying it didn't happen again. No, no, but they'll say that you went, you were saying because you saw this and there were other people, there were other professors, there were other conspiracy theorists, some turned out to not be credible and then you didn't have them on your show anymore. You did say maybe this is staged.

And just again, to be clear, you afterwards said, no, it was not staged. I was wrong. There's a load of shit. And honestly, I think if they needed to find the worst stuff, Alex has said this is definitely up there, but they could have come up with a much broader campaign for Hillary to use. Throw in some of his dehumanizing racism is violent misogyny and homophobia, his incitement of violence towards Muslims. Alex has got a deep bench of horrible things Hillary could have attacked if that was the

game that she was trying to play. Also, Stephen knows damn well that Alex didn't think that maybe the shooting was staged. Alex literally said multiple times that the shooting was totally fake with actors. Stephen is softening that reality so it's easier for his audience to give Alex a pass and rationalize his actions. He's selling his audience on Alex. It's a concerted effort and it's done by obscuring reality. I just don't understand it because it's just a bad idea.

I feel like the right move here, if you're a piece of shit like Crowder or one of these other guys, is to fucking stab Alex in the back and then carve up his audience. I don't understand why you're even trying this bullshit. What are you doing? You don't have any loyalty to him. He doesn't have any loyalty to you. I think that Stephen probably thinks that there's a way that this can raise his own profile, maybe get some of Alex's audience to him.

But it's a fool's errand because Alex's audience, they're not going, anybody who is susceptible to maybe being interested in Crowder who listens to Alex already listens to Crowder. The rest of the folks are old-timers who live in Shacks in Montana and listen on short waves. They're not going to like your dumb childish comedy show. So stupid. Yeah, but I don't know. I just meant as like an ecosystem, not necessarily just Crowder, but like the whole shebang,

like Shapiro and back and all of them. If Crowder were smart, what he would maybe try to do is insinuate himself even more with this and get involved with like the infrastructure part of band.video and that kind of thing and try and use it as a like a reinforcing misinformation sort of YouTube. Because as it stands now, there's a shallow depth of anything interesting on there. There's plenty of content. That's true. There's info wars stuff and there's a load of bullshit.

Stephen is like, I don't think it's in his best interest necessarily to be hooked with Glenn Beck with the blaze stuff, but maybe there's some good money there. But in terms of like, if you want some of Alex's audience and that stuff and he wants to create like more of a space, that would be the thing you'd do. Maybe. And then try and rope in some of the other weirdos. Sure. But actually, hold on.

I just don't think that's very forward-looking. I think that's saying that we're going to be in a similar place in three years that we are right now. And I don't think that's even close to possible. Well, I guess I maybe don't agree with myself either because I was talking about like Gavin McGinnis. He has like his sensor dot TV or whatever. Right.

Right. And there's not a lot going on there. Maybe. Never mind. I was going to say he could go and like try and help build up cozy. Nick Fuentes is a service, but Nick Fuentes doesn't want. No, absolutely not. No.

Fuentes probably thinks Crowder sucks. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. I don't know. Why are we always trying to give them assistance? It can't help it. So yeah, I think this is all stupid.

But Alex just is like out and outlier. But it's important to understand this timeline. Yeah. So, so for over a year and a half from 2015 into 2016, we've checked the record. I never talked about it one time and I told the crew this is a tar baby. It's a setup. I don't want to ever. Wow.

Still doing it. We started seeing that some of the folks that were claiming it was staged had gone even crazier and we're now dysregulating and showing that indeed they had put out things that were wrong. So I was not the Sandy Hook guy. It didn't put me on the map. I barely ever covered it, but Hillary blows it up, makes it a cause celeb for Democrats. They use it to bring back all the gun control and now attacks on free speech and to attack Trump.

And so then Trump wins. They go even crazier and they start attacking me. So if this is all an elaborate plot Hillary launched to attack Trump and then Trump won, it seems like it really wouldn't do anything to continue attacking Alex. The goal would have been to use Alex's toxicity to sway the electorate away from Trump and once Trump is won, that's about it in terms of voters. It just doesn't make sense unless you're just desperate to defend yourself using bullshit fantasy world nonsense.

Yeah. Also, Alex didn't stop talking about Sandy Hook during those timeframes that he had his staff go look things up. No shit. Consider this clip from August 26th, 2015 squarely in the window. He's claiming he never brought it up. Oh yeah. In my opinion, something really stinks about this entire situation.

I don't, I can't even really think of a mass shooting quote unquote or a high profile shooting like this that didn't seem like there was something more going on. Well, there's been some of them that we caught red handed being staged. Sir hand, sir hand with RFK, the situation a few years ago with the Aurora shooting. I mean, those were staged. We caught them. We know exactly what they did. It's unbelievable.

And then you look at Sandy Hook. It just isn't real. I don't know what specifically happened, but the official story is a fairy tale. I mean, Jack of the Beanstalk isn't real. Santa Claus isn't real. And that is a giant theater operation complete with blue screens. And now even Rob do's uncle, who's a Navy SEAL retired FBI works for a big company. We have a reporter up there and it's like, that's Rob do's uncle.

And he's like, yeah, it doesn't add up. Something's going on. I've never seen anything like this. There's no paperwork. They're covering something up. I can't talk. Gotta get out of here. So I mean, that's how Twilight Zone.

This has got is a reporter that was up there was Dan Badandi, by the way. Ooh. So yeah, go fuck yourself, Alex. Yeah. Add to that that Alex didn't stop talking to the people who promoted the crisis actors shit. Steve Pachennick was a guest until he and Alex got into a fight about Steve pushing QAnon shit during the aftermath of the 2020 election.

Alex is a liar and these are easily demonstrable lies. If Steven cared at all to protect his audience from a fraud, he has a responsibility to them. And he's completely neglecting that, which is shameful. And here's, here's what I actually think about when you're talking about like, you know, why not just carve up Alex's audience? I think that for someone like Steven, there's probably an interest in preserving Alex if you can share that is because he is worse than you.

Yeah, that's fair. Presumably he's worse than you if only because like you're still on YouTube. Sure. Right. So as long as Alex is there, a lot of people will think there's a bigger issue than Steven Crowder. You know, in the same way that you hear people even Tucker say like, my great replacement theory isn't crazy.

It's not Alex Jones shit. Yeah. Alex can exist as that. I'm not him example. Right. But if you were to go away entirely, then they kind of, they want to try and repair their broken shield. Yeah.

Yeah. I think that's probably a way to look at it. So Alex is, you know, he's corrected himself a lot. He hasn't, but Steve's going to let him say it. Okay. So I issued dozens of corrections, dozens of apologies. You just mentioned one of them there. And then they sue me in 2018.

And then they do all this discovery. We give them all the emails, all the text messages, everything. There's no evidence. We made money on Sandy Hook. There's no evidence. I premeditated Lee got it wrong on purpose. And so both Democrat connected judges. One of them is Posey Republican, but she's like George W. Bush.

They default me saying I Oh, we lost Alex for a second out. Yay. This is clearly the globalist. He's told I'm guilty. The jury's told I'm guilty. I'm not allowed in a five week trial in Connecticut to defend myself. The judge actually says you can't say you're innocent.

You can't say you're bankrupt. Yeah. That's just shit. Yeah. But, but there is no pushback. There's no discussion of what these things are. There's no reason to. Yeah.

So Crowder wants to know like real seriously, did you use these people's names? Did you ever call the parents out by name on air and say that they were their children, like call them out by name on air? Only Robbie Parker. Okay. And after. And I did not say that, that, that he staged it or it was fake. I said, people think this clip was like 30 million views on YouTube or more.

Right. It was a viral clip. People say this guy looks fake. And so I said, yeah, it does look like acting to me, but he's under stress. Whatever. That's not true. Um, and, uh, uh, Hesslin's name was said on info wars, uh, posner. Um, and also intentional infliction of emotional distress doesn't require you

say people's names. These people are constantly screaming about how some people should die because they changed their pronouns. And yet somehow they're going to try and pretend that pronouns cannot refer to people. Right. Right. You have to say their name like a magic spell.

You have to sew it in to your fucking piece of paper with silver thread, Dan. Obviously. Otherwise it's not defamation. Right. And when you say like the families, uh, if you're one of the members of one of the families, you can't consider yourself part of that group. No, you have to be referred to because that's how words work. You can't do it.

No, damn. So, uh, Alex tries to explain and Stephen really wants him to explain this because it's kind of an important point that he fully complied with discovery. Well, I do have a question that's important here because people will say, well, the reason you weren't allowed to defend yourself is it was a default judgment. And they say because you didn't provide the evidence, right? That was requested in discovery.

Give me very specifics. Not just all. You did provide and hand over a lot of evidence. What did you hand over? Because they did have financials. They did have, uh, certainly in the Texas trial, they did have access to financials. They did have access to certain traffic metrics.

When I was watching the trial, they would say, well, actually, uh, they didn't hand over, for example, the Alexa reporting as opposed to the Google analytics reporting. What kind of evidence when you were asked to hand over? Just give me some examples of what you did hand over. Did you hand over financial documents? Is it related to the company? Yes.

Did you hand over documents? Is it related to, you know, like, uh, different traffic and, and, and revenue streams to some degree or another? To an extreme degree, the most ever given over in a civil defamation trial, many lawyers estimate, Stephen, let me be a hundred percent clear. So what are they saying you didn't provide is my point because this is something a lot of people accurate information. Unfortunately on the right, Alex, this is important.

I'm just saying this because people will try and take this out of people on the right. We'll say, well, then you should comply during discovery. What? Pardon me. What in the fuck are they claiming you didn't provide so that you were not allowed to defend yourself? All right.

Let me answer that question. I don't want to get into people saying, oh, this is just for Alex Jones in Texas. They claimed that because we did so much discovery and they would have each person that they were deposing give them more discovery. So they'd say, ah, out of the 200,000 emails you gave us in Texas, um, in one of the discovery batches you gave us, there was one extra email that wasn't in this batch, little weird gotcha games.

And then in Connecticut, the judge kept saying, give me the Google analytics. Well, we hardly ever even used Google analytics, hardly ever even looked at it. So we explained to the judge, ma'am, it's a search box for the back end of Google and a lot of it you have to pay for. We've barely ever used it, but we searched for Google analytics and found one writer and one other person in the group that had looked at Google analytics

and said, oh, look, how much traffic we're getting a few times. So we gave them what we had in our system about Google analytics, um, take Alexa, same thing. They said, give us the Alexa. Well, Steven, I want you to give me the Google. And then I say, and then you say, okay, what do you want me to search in Google? No, sir, give me the Google.

Give me the Google. Um, also some of those, uh, instances of Google analytics. We're like, look how much traffic we're getting from this Sandy Hook. It was fake article. So maybe Alex shouldn't use that as an example. If Steven really wanted to be prepared to ask this question and respond appropriately to Alex's answer, he should have read the order for the default judgment. It spells everything out.

There were requests for production that Alex never even responded to. There were requests to produce people for depositions that were ignored. Alex repeatedly sent completely unprepared people to depositions as core, uh, corporate representatives. And that's just the surface. Alex did turn over big batches of documents, but he had a habit of doing that just before hearings about his failure to turn over documents so he could avoid consequences while overwhelming the plaintiffs with

tons of unrelated shit. Even these tronches weren't satisfactory to what he was obligated to turn over though, and it didn't really help him. Yeah. In the judgment, they even discuss how they tried to resolve the problem through fines and sanctions, but it was clear that it had no effect on Alex's abuse of the discovery process. He has too much money to be impacted by whatever fines the court could impose.

So it was a dead end. Steven doesn't care about the reality here or the truth. He's just asking questions to allow Alex to give his boilerplate rehearsed answer and make it look like Steven was asking tough questions. This is a charade that is meant to exonerate Alex in the eyes of Steven's audience. Yeah, it is not an interview. It's so hard because the real, the truth of it is like that. All of him being like, I'm not allowed to say I'm innocent.

I'm not allowed to say I'm all this stuff. And it's like, that's your fault. And the reason that you weren't allowed to say it is because if you did sooner or later, you would have to go to jail. We're being nice to you by keeping you. This is, this is like you going bowling with rails. That's the point here is cause you are going to be a gutter ball and then go to jail. We're saving your life, man.

Right. And if you had practiced bowling in this metaphor, you wouldn't need those rails. Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't know if this fully works, but it's close enough. So Steven has lost control of the show. Of course.

Alex has completely taken over. Yeah, that sounds right. And now the Secretary of State of Texas is talking about, we may have to go after Alex Jones because he caused threats on election officials. They have no statements. They don't have me saying be violent. I didn't even probably ever even talk about the Texas election. Other than saying, I don't think Beto, you know, was as close as he said he was to Ted Cruz.

So this is the absolute next level garbage and propaganda. In fact, overhead shot. I want to show people this. Texas Secretary of State Alex Jones unleashed hell on our election people. That's the hill. Here's another one. Republican Texas election chief blast nuts peddling 2020 conspiracy theory zooms in on Alex Jones.

So just like they're suing everybody, Alex is just doing his show. Yeah, I'm waiting for him to do an ad pivot. Yeah. When is he going to do it? He's calling for overhead. Is he going to do it? This is ridiculous. That is insane.

Yeah. Yeah. Steven's lost a tire control. This is just the Alex Jones show. This is absolutely of a worse right now. That is so funny. Also, we've got these coins. We got these fucking coins by these coins.

Some of these. Some of these coins. No longer a fundraiser. So Alex believes that this is overkill. And then Steven has some harsh words for the so-called brave conservatives. This is all overkill. It's just the left having a temper tantrum. They want to scare everybody else and get a bunch of other lawyers to file lawsuits to

come after all the conservatives and all the nationalists and all the patriots. And I really appreciate you letting me get that out there because it's so frustrating to be kind of only have my show that has a big audience, but it's compartmentalized because of censorship. It's very hard to actually get the truth out there. No, it's not just censorship, Alex. So people understand. It's not just censorship.

It's cowardice. You and I have had conversations, obviously, off air, where, you know, I would say, I wouldn't say call to do that, but I've said, I don't agree with this. I don't like that. Remember, I told you, I remember early on the show saying, I don't like that you sometimes stir up infighting with conservatives. And I remember you saying, you know what, I used to do that more. And I've decided the left is a more important enemy.

We've had very strong disagreements. I felt compelled to have you on because some of the biggest figures in our movement, who, by the way, agreed with all of some of your quote, unquote, conspiracy theories that I thought were incorrect. They didn't have you on. It is censorship. And it's cowardice. Let me translate what Steven's saying there about the infighting among conservatives.

Alex, I work for Glenn Beck. Stop being mean to Glenn Beck. Also, Steven, you have to understand a lot of those other conservative outlets are really busy running damage control for Tucker's Kanye West interview at the moment. A lot of them just don't have the juice to throw Alex into the mix and try and deal with that. We can't be both protecting against the rampant anti-Semitism in our party and protecting against Alex is both right anti-Semitism and more.

It is weird that Alex hasn't been on Rogan though. Like I wonder if Joe watched some of the trial and realized that Alex lied to his face about what he said about Sandy Hook. That would be fun. If like Joe started to get the picture that Alex is using him and see what develops from there. I'm not optimistic that's going to happen. Yeah.

If Joe watched the trial, it would be really hard to come away from it thinking that Alex did not lie to your fucking face. Yeah, but you still got to realize he's a fun guy. Oh man. He's really funny. Do you know what this reminds me of? This reminds me so much of walking into a Dunkin' Donuts in like fucking around whatever and there's two old guys sitting in that way right inside the door so you can see him through the

window and they're arguing about a parking ticket and he's like, man, I didn't park there. I'm telling you and you know the guy's lying. I'm walking in there trying to buy coffee for two seconds and I want to turn around and be like, dude, just pay the parking ticket. You're a fucking liar. Obviously you did the thing. And the other guy's like, yeah, you're totally right, man. They shouldn't be able to do that.

One of those guys is Rogan. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Just making sure. No, I think I'm talking about Crowder and Alex right now. Okay. Yeah.

Who's Rogan? Is he the donut? Rogan would be a delicious donut. So we got a question for Alex. Although he'd be a little bit stringy. Yeah, probably. Yeah. And full of raw meat.

So Alex, you know, we got to find out if he's scared. Let me ask you, Alex, really point blank. I know you talk about appeals. How scared are you right now? I am way more scared about the direction the country is going in that they admit this is a formula for everybody. I mean, while the right wing laughs, some of them says, oh, it's just Alex Jones. They're on every channel saying we're coming after everybody now with this model.

And they've even got the Republican Secretary of State in Texas saying we want to come after Republicans that question election fraud. Give me a break. So you have the rhinos, the neocons, the rabid left allied together against the populist uprising of nationalist Americans who are peacefully trying to take our country back. So I'm way more concerned about nuclear war. I'm way more concerned about financial collapse. I mean, here's a good point, Stephen.

Quite frankly, the way inflation is going, the way it accelerates towards why are our Republicans in Bobway in 10 years? There's such inflation. A billion dollars will be like a thousand dollars. Yeah. I mean, at the current rate we're at here. So like, no, I'm not scared. I am disgusted and I really feel proud of myself because I've told the truth about this.

I've said when I was wrong, they have created this whole synthetic identity for me, the straw man. And then they sat there and had to lie to a jury and suppress the truth and tell them I was guilty and rigged this kangaroo court. So I myself can hold my head tall, but I am in general very concerned for my children for the country in the future because of the rabid acceleration into total and complete corruption. Wow. That's quite an answer to are you scared?

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm going to go with yes. I feel like from some of the numbers that I was seeing, the inflation is starting to turn around. And I don't know if we're going to end up in a Weimar Germany situation. Right.

We're not going to go Zimbabwe, baby. Right. Right. I mean, if I've read everything correctly, I feel like there's a difference between like radical out of control inflation and all of these businesses being like, ooh, they're talking about inflation. We can charge an extra two bucks. Yeah.

Some of this is a little bit hard to disaggregate from each other. Some of these forces. Yeah. But yeah, I don't, I don't think that's the path we're heading on. And also I think that nuclear war was supposed to have already started by now based on Alex's projection. Oh, we've been dead for a while. Yeah.

So I guess he should probably be more concerned about his own personal matters. They seem pretty severe. Yeah. That billion in 10 years is still going to be an albatross over your neck, buddy. So one of the co-hosts asks Alex a very important question and that is, what's up with the appeal? How is that going to work? Right. And you'll notice over the course of the maybe next three clips that Alex can't answer specifics.

Yeah. So you said earlier that this is going to be overturned. Why do you think that it will be overturned? Not that you just have kind of this faith in that that's going to happen, but what are you guys arguing if you can reveal that to us on how it's going to be overturned? Well, that's an excellent question. I have talked to dozens of very well-known constitutional lawyers. I can tell you Norm Pattons is a very well-known successful lawyer around the country.

To whom? To current and former judges in Connecticut and in New York, a federal and state that say, this is the most insane craziness they've ever seen. All right. A lawyer who lost this case for you is talking to other people allegedly and reporting to you secondhand that this shit is crazy. Sounds true. And this is how you're going to win the appeal.

Yeah. Okay. So there's no grounds given for what the appeal with the argument is, why they merit an appeal other than, come on. Yeah. Come on. That's an issue. Yeah.

If your appeal is based on, that's just too big. That's legit seems to believe that if you can just pay for the appeal, you will magically win. Oh, either America's gone and completely done or in Texas and in Connecticut. If I have the money for the appeals, that's why they want to bankrupt us right now, because they are so scared that if there's any justice left at the Texas or the Connecticut Supreme Court or the US Supreme Court, they've got to overturn this because the deep state, the ambulance chaser brigade are openly saying they're coming after everyone with this.

So are you saying that you think the people in the appeals court will, will see the gravity of it? Is that, is that what you're saying? Why you believe it'll be overturned? I don't know the fixes in that high. Oh, I see. So Soros control all the district attorneys in America and all the judges and everything, but he can't penetrate the appeals court.

I think also the US Supreme Court is entirely blackmailed by, by Chinese spies and what have you, but oh, no, no, the appeals court, the fix isn't in that high. The one that's insanely done everything I hoped they would do is also definitely run by the Chinese billionaires. Yeah. This is fun. I mean, it's just Alex trying to be like, yeah, you should still give me money. Uh, cause I'm going to find a way to launder it during the appeals process.

Yeah. I mean, the problem is, the problem is for Alex is that in, in, in a very real way, this is an apolitical case for the law, the, for lawyers and judges and everything because they all have a vested interest in this being at least the bottom, you know, like all of them would prefer to have firm guardrails. So we don't have to go through like another, this judge has waited three years to default judgment because we just have never seen this shit before. So it helps if we have a baseline here of like, guess what, here's a person who's done

this shit before. Here's what we've done before. And now we don't have to do this again. You know, it'd be nice. Yeah. I mean, it is fitting that, you know, this is Alex's sort of path in as much as like Trump taught us so much about how much of the government is not codified and how much of it is based on just like, we all agree.

This is how humans. It's a good, it's a good idea to do this. Right. Yeah. We all think this is a smart move. These norms that we've thought have protected us and kept things in line just aren't really real. Right.

And yeah, Alex is kind of revealing some of the similar stuff with the, like the legal system. Yeah. You could just not do stuff. I'm so unfortunate that it's like, uh, oh man, we've accidentally created a system geared towards giving narcissistic psychopaths a lot of money and power. If they have the nerve and the shamelessness and the shamelessness, they can do whatever the fuck they want.

Yeah. You know, so Alex continues to ramble about his non-answer about how this appeal is going to work. And then he forgets what question he's answering. But I know that when, okay, they've got their pound of flesh, they've demonized me. They brought back up Sandy Hook. They made a bunch of money for their charities. They got $73 million from Remington.

Yeah. Those bad people made a bunch of money for their charities. And now nobody knows who Adam Lange is to kill the kids. They only know Alex Jones. And so I'm sorry. It was a question. Stephen, I apologize. No, no.

I think, I think you answered the question. I think Gerald really wants to know why do you believe it will be overturned? Do you think it's because they wanted to make an example of you? And then when it comes down to the actual constitutional law, it won't hold water. Is that why? Absolutely. I mean, I think that, well, they have to, or the country's over. I mean, you have to understand when I say can you record, when I say show trial, I

mean, this has never before been done a default when you just don't even show up. We gave them everything. It's fun. The way that Stephen's interview style seems to be like Alex is just rambling. I'll try and answer this question for him. And see if he can just say yes to my suggested answer and Alex does and then starts rambling some more. It is, it is fun that if you're Stephen Crowder, you know, you started the show by being like,

you weren't even allowed to make your defense. And then at the end of the show, you have to be like, Oh, no, that, that makes sense. Yeah. You shouldn't, you shouldn't have been able to, your defense is terrible. There isn't one. Yeah. And you're just not going to be able to answer yes or no question to save your life. You're literally fucking literally to save your life.

Your fucking defense is Hillary. Yeah. Go away. So Alex starts rambling about money and gets into his divorce for some reason. This is weird. They said he made $61 million last year. Our gross was $61 million. I paid myself $200,000 last year.

It's all in the bankruptcy court. They know it. They know it's true. Was there a year that I paid myself $12 million? Absolutely. The year of the divorce with my ex-wife six years ago. Thank God it was the Trump era for the first time ever. We had all this extra money right when she divorces me.

It goes through the process and the court made me pay her close to $10 million to quote buy her out of the company because I've been married to her for 13 years. So the one year God came through, the one year that I, because usually I make about a million, $2 million a year, but honest with my audience, and after all the bills and stuff and legal crap, it's gone. Of course. Okay. But I don't do it for money.

So wait, hold on. I got to pause that for a second. Yeah. He had a 500%, 400% pay increase that you're magically, but he, okay. That makes sense. So weird. Yeah. Yeah.

The one year I made $12 million, God came through magically, the money came in to then buy my ex-wife out of the company. So again, they think, so it's a matter of $1 trillion judgment. I want to say something here that's important because I see you have, and we all struggle with this, right? Where you're saying, because I know that people think that sounds like a lot of money and it's sad that you even have to say, no, you don't do this just for the money, but you absolutely deserve to earn a living if you have millions of people who are listening in

the amount of work that you put into it. I understand it. This is what I do here as well. Conservatives are the only ones, surprisingly, the people who support free enterprise where we feel like, because our audience is largely working class, you want to say, look, look, don't get mad at me because I make this money because it's huge difference between one year making $12 million and a several hundred million dollar judgment. You know who makes $12 million every single year, Colbert Fallon.

No one cares. So I can explain that dynamic a little better than Steven. He and Alex do this song and dance because they know that they're fucking over their audience. They have to rationalize the money they make because it's an insane amount and they earn it by exploiting their audience's fear and anger and monetizing that while putting vulnerable people in harm's way and they do no work and they sell garbage. Yeah.

Absolute garbage. Steven did no preparation for this interview. He has no idea the subject that he's even covering. There is no work that goes into this other than riffing dumb jokes. They know that they don't do shit and whether it's conscious or not, that's another question about whether or not that's why they have to rationalize this, but they have to pretend not to care about money or else they run the risk of being way too obvious about how they sell things.

And then before you know it, they're just a racist QVC. Fallon and Colbert make money, but I'm not sure how much, but they don't get on their show every night and try to rationalize it because they actually put on a show. They're entertainers doing a job, not just complaining about how they're so persecuted. And this has nothing to do with political alignment. Do you think Jeff Foxworthy or Larry the Cable Guy or Ron White has to rationalize that they make millions of dollars? They don't because their talent makes it obvious why they make that much money.

For con men like Alex and Steven, it's different. And that's why they do have to do this like, oh, hey, look, it's $100 million that I make, but it's no big deal. That's actually nothing. Yeah. Yeah. No, their thieves have to justify why thievery is okay. Yeah.

Well, they're thieving doing like sort of legal thieves, legal thieves. Yeah. I mean, I understand that you have to explain why you have to rationalize or else it gets confusing and suspicious. Right. I think the thing that has stuck with me maybe most, well, no, there are a few things that really stuck with me during the Texas trial. But one of them that I will never forget is when Owen was on the stand and he was being

questioned about NPR and he was like, you know, they're a nonprofit, right? And Owen just said, but they still get paid, don't they? Like they don't understand the idea of not doing something for money. Right. You know, like, sure, I understand we're a nonprofit, but this, this is what actual not money is, is when you're just there doing your job and you're surviving, you know? And not to, not to jump too far from what you're saying, but like Owen and Alex and other people in depositions have been very clear about, like, we don't do any, we don't

really do any preparation because if they admitted that they did work, it would show malice. It would really make us look hard. They don't do shit. Yep. Anyway, Alex wants to go to the documents and this is about how hard he works. And this is the most important point I'm going to make here. I got a few documents.

I can show them to the really important that tie this all together. This is a major project for six years, two years before they sued me and then now the last four with literally hundreds of articles a week, sometimes thousands, every major news channel from HBO to PBS to Fox even attacking me over Sandy Hook and building it up into this giant controversy when I was not the Sandy Hook man to set the precedent with the Alex Jones precedent to shut everybody else down. Now let's talk about this being the biggest defamation judgment in US history by an order of at least 10 magnitude.

If I can have an overhead shot here, damn, I wish the survivors of Epstein received nine hundred and sixty five million exactly. Good point on Twitter, Eliza read a tweet from Eliza. He just read a tweet from Eliza. Yep. Overhead shot for this tweet. Wow. Yep.

Man. Twitter sucks. Sure. Yep. Also. Hey, Epstein's victim should be compensated. Yep. But that doesn't have anything to do with you.

You also should pay out that billion dollars. Yeah. I mean, I agree. We're good. We both agree. This is not a zero laid out, but I agree. He also has money that should go elsewhere. Both of you have money when you should have zero money.

Good call. Eliza. Yeah. I like that, Eliza. Good work. So they end the episode with a Q&A session and it's actually only three questions formally. They take questions for people in Steven Crider's Mug Club. Sure.

And here's the first one. Okay. Yeah. Mug Club viewer Jerry has a question for you, Alex. What do you feel was an appropriate penalty for what you said? Nothing. It's better that 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man be prosecuted. Here's why Alex is the worst.

Saying nothing is so dumb. He should have said you pay for my meals for life. Do a Socrates something. Come on, man. Elevate this. Yeah. Bring it on. What the fuck is wrong with you?

It's a rare opportunity that you could actually pull a Socrates. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You are going to die and you will not be remembered unless you pull something great, man. You got to do it. They got rid of my due process. The judge found me guilty.

They lied about it all. They hyped up what I said. They exaggerated it. I never said people to their houses. It's a lie. They're setting a precedent to steal your rights, not just your rights to listen to what you want to listen to and make your own decisions. They're literally setting this up to come after the general public, an FBI agent that

I never saw, never covered, never said his name till he sued me. He admitted on the stand was given $90 million because some people on the Internet thought it didn't happen. I should be. No. Let me off the hook. I do. I do appreciate the more I think about it.

The more I appreciate the 10 guilty men should be free instead of one is like, that's not a defense in a trial. You can't be like, Oh, listen, your honor, I did it. But can we know everyone did what they did? It's a good idea to let me go free. Otherwise you might put that man in jail. No, no, no, no, no, he's saying that he's the innocent man who shouldn't be persecuted. Not one of the guilty people who goes free.

I feel like the implication there. He didn't intend the right way. Maybe he's thinking he's the innocent man, but in this situation, he really comes off sounding like he's the one of the 10 guilty. He is guilty. But also he should do a Socrates. Yeah. Anyway, there's a problem with the Crowder identifies and that is that, Hey, this is

a lawsuit for defamation. There is that we're against it. Yeah. But then there's some other lawsuits that you filed. Well, sure. Alex did. Yeah. But other ones like the Covington Catholic, sure.

And we do support these. Right. Shit. I need to talk about this. And also it's important when you'll get a lot of people on the left saying, Oh, the right has a double standard because what about Nick Sandman and CNN? What about Kyle Rittenhouse? They said his name.

The president of the United States had an advertisement, had an ad that went out that associated Kyle Rittenhouse specifically with white supremacy. They said Nick Sandman was mocking somebody. This poor Native American, Nathan Phillips, as I prefer my Native Americans to be called Nathan Phillips. They said, Yeah, he was mocking Nathan Phillips and he was, he was stirring up the crowd. They did call out these people by name and these people had to hire security and these people had to go into hiding.

There is a difference. You did not do that. And they did it repeatedly. They did it all day and all night, not to mention what preceded Kyle Rittenhouse was the media drumming up actual hatred and violence and they never showed any evidence. I should have people to harass people or anything. Of course, it was always what somebody else did. So Alex is absolutely lying about there being no proof that he sent people to Newtown and

that led to harassment. Yeah, complete, complete horseshit. Absolutely. Also, I guess if Steven wants to be such a stickler about saying people's names, which isn't necessary to prove intentional infliction of emotional distress, then he should support Alex paying Robbie Parker $120 million because Alex did say his name repeatedly and repeatedly mocked a video of him about to give his memorial to his daughter. Or is there a double standard?

I mean, are you if Crowder is going to put those as his benchmarks for when a case is acceptable? Uh huh. Well, we've reached those benchmarks. Sure. So the end pay up that hundred million, twenty million. Yeah. I mean, if you want to say for some, if that's your argument that it's like, you have to

say the name. Well, we've reached that benchmark. Right. So the benchmark is somebody has to go into hiding. They went into hiding. Yeah. So guess what? We're done here.

I strongly disagree with the point that Crowder is making. He's wrong. Yes. But based on his own like perception, he should be like, all right, Alex, you don't own 900 million. You owe 120 million. Yeah. Like, and if that was his perspective, I would think that would be hilarious.

It would be very funny to me. Alex, unfortunately, there's no way for me to be intellectually consistent and not say. I literally spiritually, physically in this world, if I have any intellectual curiosity, I can. But I have to say that you owe 120 million dollars to Robbie Parker. I have to. Yeah.

So here's the next question of this Q&A. OK. My club, your Taylor Kohler wants to know if people only knew one true thing about you, Alex, among all these lies, what would it be? That was going to be my last question. Who? I mean, look, I'm a real person. I've got a lot of information sometimes I'm a little bit obnoxious because I'm trying

to get through it all like here today and I really appreciate Steven and the crew being so gracious. So I can have a place to tell the truth and I appreciate your courage because you do get attacked for having me on. And just this is our rights being taken. This is a Hollywood production. I'm not saying Sandy Hook didn't happen. I'm saying the production of what I supposedly did and how big it became and, you know, this

huge event. I'm not the Sandy Hook guy. I'm the guy that wrote the number one bestselling book in the world. The set in the war for the world. That's why the globalists hate me is because I'm exposing their corporate worldwide tyranny. I'm exposing groups like PayPal that are back, by the way, saying if we don't like what you say, we're going to find you $2,500. I'm opposing their authoritarianism.

I'm a populist. I'm a champion of the people and folks can actually hear the real Alex Jones at infowars.com, infowars.com, Ford slash show or band.video. Go see the real live show. Go see the archives. Go see the guest. Go find out what I'm actually saying instead of little bitty twisted edited excerpts that the corporate media puts out and understand the globalists see infowars as the flag they

want to capture. They are more obsessed with it than anything else out there right now because when the globalists tune in, they get scared because I know what I'm talking about when it comes to the mechanics of the new world order. So it's interesting how Alex's one true thing contains multiple lies. Yeah, that's pretty amazing. It's very weird about that. I guess if you boil that down, his one true thing about himself that you need to know

is that he's amazing and he's so strong and right and smart that everything bad that happens to him is just the globalists attacking him with fake stories because he's so strong and right and smart. It's cool. Yeah. That's a good thing to end on for Alex. What's the country thing? I am the best.

I mean, yeah, what else is there to say? He's going out saying like, I'm the best writer in the world. I'm the best talker in the world. I'm the most powerful man in the world because the most powerful people are coming after me. Right. Like, Jesus, man. The devil doesn't come up by the way in this interview. That's so weird because he seems really central to the plot line.

Yeah. Also, Alex's book has fallen to 322 on the Amazon charts. So close. It's weird how they don't stay at number one just because you keep saying it and it wasn't ever at number one. No, there is that. That's a problem too. So actually, there's another question and that's a Steven has a question.

No question. And we're going to go to my club and take some more chats. What's the next step? What are you doing here next, Alex? It's a game plan. Well, that's a really great question. My biggest enemy is myself. I am absolutely exhausted.

I'm burnout. I drink too much. I haven't smoked in 14 years under the stress. I took up smoking again, going out and watching comedy and hanging out with Joe Rogan. There's a lot of cigarettes smoking going on. Yeah, I don't think that's a cigarette smoke. No, I've done a little bit of the marijuana smoke, too, but I'll smoke a lot of it. But yeah, I smoke pot like once a month or something.

Usually I'm in a comedy club or go see a movie. Every time I hang out with Joe, we smoke some pot. But sometimes I guess twice a week. But I haven't got with Joe that much lately. I've been too busy. But there's some days we've gone out like twice a week and get stoned. But a little bit of fun stuff there. But long story short, he's just doing it to test the potency because Soros has

weaponized marijuana. Soros is weaponized marijuana. Alex is smoking sometimes two times a week just for fun to hang out with his buddy. Seems like he's maybe not too worried about that. Maybe that's not a real thing. It's real odd how it's so important. And then it's here and you just forget about it. It's the most important fight in the world.

We have to fight against the globalist potency of drugs in there. I get high all the time. I really don't think smoking cigarettes is going to be good for him. That's not good. Yeah, I wouldn't do it. Maybe that's what the Torn Larynx Act was. He was outside burning one. Yeah, could be.

So Steven does want a question, though, about what's next. Yeah, I mean, when he said long story short, I wanted to throw up. Because that was a short story that's been very long. So what's next? Steven basically just has to pull teeth to get that out of him. There's some days we've gone out like twice a week and get stoned. But a little bit of fun stuff there. But long story short, I asked your game plan, Alex, ask your hobbies.

Anyways, well, I mean, it's a little of a name drop to all the trendy liberals that think they're trendy and cool and love the police state and hate free speech. I'm the real rebel. Info Wars is the vanguard. So is Steven Crowder. We are the rebels. We are the outlaws. We are 1776.

We are the counterculture, not them. And they can't stand that. And so that's what all people know. We are the counterculture. Steven Crowder is a counterculture. The listeners and viewers of these shows that support independent media are the future of not just America, but the world that people can find out what all the stinks about at infowars.com.

So it sounds to me like what you're saying. Your next step is, and Alex, you know, I have a lot of love for you, but sometimes it is tough to get you to answer a question. I think you're saying, you need to get some rest is what you're saying, right? Your game plan is some rest, recoup and come back. Now, I'm more, listen, I'm more ADHD when I'm totally exhausted. So I've done a lot of interviews and I was up till one o'clock in the morning and I apologize.

My brain's gone right now. So yes, I realized this is what's coming next. I realized they want to take me out of the game. And I realized that I'm never going to quit now because they want to silence me because this is a battle of wills. I know it's the right thing to do. But I also understand that if I take myself out of the game by being fried or burned out, they win.

So I am going to, in the next few months, do something I never do. I'm going to take off a week a month starting at the end of this month, November and December. I may take off two weeks in December. I want my listeners to understand why I've got to do it because I've got a rest. I've got to stop drinking. I've got to stop smoking. I got to go to church to recharge my batteries.

I've got to take, you know, my daughter camping. I've got to, you know, go camping and shoot it with my son and my other daughters. And so if you're asking what's happening, I'm going to recharge my batteries, get back to family, get back to God and come back in 20, 23 harder than ever. I find this is bullshit. I mean, I think he probably will take a week off in November and December for Thanksgiving and Christmas. Yeah, like it's not going to stick.

Also, like we're supposed to be right on the cusp of nuclear war. Yeah, I know. Don't like your self-care is somehow kind of mesh focus. Yeah, just do your job. Tell me what the tell me what's really in your world. You know who doesn't freak out like this? Other people who do daily shows. Yeah, like this is him.

Yeah, this is just be healthier. Stop acting like this and just grow up. That's the other thing, too. Like, I don't know. Maybe I'm not cool and I've never really been that cool. Fair, but I find it pathetic to hear like 40 year olds talking about counterculture. Yeah, I know. Totally.

I don't know what it is, but like as I've gotten older, the interest in whether or not something is culture, counterculture or any of that stuff. Yeah, it kind of becomes something that maybe has a little bit of like an artistic interest to me, something that's like a subversive piece of music or art. Maybe right, but like, I don't know. A lot of the aesthetic trappings and a lot of that stuff, I think is a little bit for the youth and you can't be a rebel and have 100 million. First off, that's that's not how that works.

Fugazi wasn't cool and also had a hundred million dollars. They were playing in the basement of a of a dilapidated church. They were not doing. They weren't doing Green Day stadiums. Green Day cannot be a rebel and fucking do Madison Square Garden. That's not how that works. You kind of lose the ability to have credibility as counterculture. If you have to sign like a 40 page contract to do a show, you're not a rebel.

That's not how that works. When you have a CNN level studio that you're broadcasting from. Yeah, it's kind of tough to to make that argument. A condemned building comedy show is a rebellious comedy show. Beyond our culture off. Yeah, it's a space where counterculturalism can really thrive. Yeah, absolutely. It might still be an incredibly mainstream show in a base.

Totally. That is very possible for that to happen. But you're not going to see something that's wildly subversive at like the laugh factory or I know it's it's soft at Zaini's. Yes, I don't want to poke. Listen, hey, man, I was a countercultural icon when I MCed Zaini's. Right. Yeah, I get I get what Alex is saying. And again, maybe I'm a square, but I I cared a lot more about that when I was 19. I mean, I mean, that whole idea of like a sell it out or anything along those lines.

Who cares? Who cares? I mean, Barry Gordy isn't around anymore. You're going to sell out or whatever, you know, but it is disgusting to think that if you and I right now were at any point in time, like, listen, man, as we sit here in our fucking hoodies and tennis shoes, like we're the true rebels and not going outside, you know, the rebels who are fucking hermits. No, that's not how it works. No, no. I sit in a fairly comfortable apartment having overdue to do the dishes

surrounded by buttons, and I am neither culture nor counterculture. We don't even have room. There's adults. Yeah. Yeah, that's just how it works. Basically, instead of like forcing yourself to get rest or whatever the fuck you're talking about, grow up, grow up. Anyway, Steven touches on an interesting question and that is why aren't you on Rogan? But you know what? You just mentioned something.

Hey, when's Rogan going to have you on a show? Why aren't you? Yeah, you know, I don't mean to Joe. Joe told me I was last time I was on a show was two years ago, and it was one of the biggest shows you ever did with who was on. I haven't heard that before. A great comedian, really funny. Yeah, Tim Dillon and Joe's like, yeah, we have you on a couple of months, a couple of months, a couple of months.

And then, you know, it's pretty obvious what's going on. Just a little too much heat for Joe to have me on, which is fine. He had courage about the vaccines. He's had courage about censorship. He's been criticized in the power structure, but he's not as hardcore as Steven Crowder. And I'll just say it, but at least the overall defense free speech. And I just I just don't think Joe can, you know, handle it.

Yeah. What is it going to take for Joe to just be like, I'm done with this? What is it going to take? I'm done to take. I'm done with your fucking maligning me for not promoting you. He's a piece of shit. Whenever you don't give him enough attention, he winds and tells you you're a piece of shit. Fuck off. Yeah. And granted, this isn't sneaky snake. I'm going to gut him like a pig. Let's talk about his kids.

It's not quite that. But this is still kind of insulting. And it's on a different show. It's on a different show. Yeah. And he's saying essentially, hey, listen, Joe's got some courage, but that man's a coward at heart compared to you. Exactly. You're the real deal to the guy who's in a fucking sit outside of college meme. I see you wearing that shoulder holster. And I think there's a man.

Oh, man, I think that the Maltese Falcon is around the corner. So Alex isn't worried, though, like about Rogan not having him on. It's totally cool. We were out at dinner about a month ago last time I hung out with him. And it's just pet peeve not to bring it up. And I just said, man, it really helped me with this upcoming court case because the whole media is against me. If I could get on there and explain things.

And he just said, Alex, you got, you know, there's too much, too much craziness going on. Let's just get through this. We'll talk about it later. So I'm not really worried about it. Obviously, I'm the big interview he'd want. He even said, listen, you're like nuclear weapons. You know, it's it's a big deal to have you on. But I'm not worried about it. It's really a question for Joe, because I know I'm just asking

because, you know, you tell me how you're hanging out with him. And not only if not him, you know, he has a bunch of friends who could have you on here, but he has a whole podcast network. You know, I don't get it. Tim Dillon could have you on Dick. What is me? I'd love to grow it eventually with other people and be able to, you know, throw more support behind folks. But on the courage scale, on the courage scale, Stephen Crowder is a 10, Alex Jones is a 10, and Joe Rogan's an eight.

And I'll take an eight all day over our enemies that are at a zero, of course. And so I'm nothing but thankful to Joe for all the heat he's taken having me on. Right. And no, you're more than that. You're also insulting and you know what? That's how I want to give out the inside baseball numbers work. But I'm just going to leave it at this. I'll tell you all fair if you want, but it's private. The very same people trying to silence me.

I'm not going to get into it on there, but there's been some real harassment of Joe and stuff that's going on. Oh, I know. Yeah, I know that's happened with him. And you know, and you know, I'm on that, you know, I'm on that list as well. So I know we all deal with it. And oh, man, Joe's getting threatened about having Alex on. And guess what? So Stephen, but Stephen doesn't care because he's that. He's a 10. He's a 10.

What a bunch of losers. Yep. Yep. It's tough to it's tough to watch a show like this and not really feel sad. Yeah. This is sad. It's not good either. Like I would understand if something had like like an ethos that I disagreed with, shed a lot of points that I didn't agree with. Right.

But like if Stephen Crowder was like he had a spark of real funny in him. Yeah. Or if there was like an interesting angle and delivery on stuff. If his co-hosts were worth a damn as sidekicks. Yep. Like I would, I would say like I disagree with this. I think it sucks, but they're doing a show. This just is bad from all angles. Really bad. Yeah, man. That is it's just so sad.

It's so sad. All of you are are adult men talking about how great you are to children. That's better than Rogan. That is gross. I'm so much more of a big strong boy than Rogan. I have all the courage in the world. So at the end here, this is the last clip we've got because they got to go to Mug Club, which is the like behind the paywall segment.

And Alex is like, you know, who's a rebel, a guy with a Mug Club and a paywall and a cigar club. What a rebel. The true rebels. Right. And Alex is talking at the end about how he has to go to do his own show. So he wasn't going to be on that for very long. So I don't really care about what's behind the paywall. Right. But before they leave, Alex tries to troll the media in covering him. This is really sad. OK.

If you want to do this information war, it absolutely is flooding you with funding. You're one of the only professional people doing top flight comedy and analysis. I mean, I mean, it's better than the production on like these late shows that have giant budgets, 20 times your budget. People should flood you with support and more importantly, word of mouth because I know that's the real currency we all want is to override the censors and to win the info wars. Absolutely. Everybody should support Steven Crowder,

who's got the five hundred pound testicles. Well, Joe's only got Joe's only got Joe's only got four hundred pound ones. Well, I admire I admire Joe's balls. OK. Well, Steven, yours are bigger, bigger and even more juicy. Well, gosh, you did say you've been drinking too much. And part of that has to do with the fact that I have the under under the cabinet microwave I've learned my lesson. All right. Hey, I made a game.

I made a game joke so it goes viral. It's funny. Yeah. And you said you have to recharge your batteries. Alex Jones is a robotic homosexual. All right. Look, Alex Jones talks about Steven Crowder's juicy ball. Oh, gosh, yeah. When do I get my nine hundred million for what? This is this is funny to them.

But here when Alex has to tell his his balls joke and then say it's funny, that's a bad sign. That's not good. No, I didn't know it was a joke. My getter done back when I did stand up was it's funny. Yeah. After every joke, I would say it's laugh now. Todd Da. Yeah, this is when you it's I think things are less effective when you say like, hey, I'm doing this so the media will report on it. That's fun and sad. But also the thing that makes it funny is that both of them are huge homophobes.

Both of them are like violently. Yeah, is that is that what's funny is that they can dip into the into their they may they they make a joke of talking about Steven's balls because it is gay to them and they hate gay people. Right. Right. But I mean, they know that I we've just spent too much time with. I don't know. I don't know what people who aren't funny really find funny. You know, it's funny to them because they're engaging in a form of homophobia. Right. And to them, that's true from the target or being hurt by homophobia.

So it is quite funny to them. Right. To them, it's a transgressive concept. And so the idea of someone saying that would blow their fucking minds into laughter. I get that, but I don't get it. I don't get it. They're the real rebels. Oh, man, I think that this would have been just a ways, maybe quite a ways below like Andrew Dice Clay in the 80s, you know, like, you know, in terms of being something that's like rebellious.

I mean, I'm an I'm an elitist comedy, you know, but I'm a comedian, you know, like, that's what you're supposed to be. But I can still I can still laugh at at things that are are sophomoric, but you just have to be good. You have to be there has to be cleverness. There has to be direction. There has to be an intent or thought behind it or, you know, something along those lines, I get what you're saying. But I think that from a construction standpoint, the joke is the media reports

on this interview as Alex likes Stephen's juicy balls. Right. That's the that's the the the amusing image is the news running that headline. Right. But the real joke is that the news isn't going to cover this at all. Yeah, this interview at all. I mean, you guys are the joke. Right. It's it's imagining the ways in which you are tricking the media into a troll headline that isn't doesn't come to pass. It is. It is very funny to listen to these guys.

Imagine how they are outsmarting the media. Yeah, that's very funny. Well, it's all it's all in their their game. Yeah. Being the best. Yeah. So this sucked. I mean, I don't I don't want to listen to any more. Stephen Crowder never again. This is brutal.

But one of the things that I found very interesting was that there is probably not that much difference between how he presents himself here and on his show in terms of this stuff. I think part of that is because he clearly felt the ability to steamroll. Stephen. Yeah, that wasn't even throws to two clips. That was not hard. Yeah. So I think there is a sense that like, all right, I'm just going to do my show on his show.

Yeah, he can't handle me. No, he's got no chance. I'll just be able to do that. I'll call him a 10 or Rogan's an eight and I'll compliment his balls. Yeah, it'll be fine. Yeah, it is. It is like like kicking a choir boy and then patting him on the head being like you did such a great job getting kicked.

You know, that's that was bad. Yeah, but there really isn't a ton of like message discrepancy. It is just kind of like I've been wronged. I didn't get a trial, blah, blah, blah. They're coming for you. Yeah. Explain to me how a man can insist that he is both apologized and taken responsibility for his behavior and yet still be like,

well, the family should get nothing. I that's question for Alex and the Mug Club did not ask that. So we don't know the answer. That's right. The Mug Club does not do a lot of follow ups. That's what I've heard. No, that's what I've heard. Neither does Stephen.

And that's another reason why he can have message discipline and stay with the same thing. He says on Info Wars is because Steven's not going to ask him. I fucking barely even talk. It's in no way a hostile environment. Yeah, I would say that Rogan is a more confrontational interviewer than than. Yeah, yeah.

Just because he'd be like, maybe say something funnier about that. Yeah. Yeah. The Steven did the same thing that Greenwald did, which is like tried to offer answers to questions. He was asking Alex like this would be a good answer if you want to just take this. Yeah, yeah, it is.

He was massaging Alex's shoulders while he's doing it. Just say that he was participating in being interviewed while interviewing. Yeah, just sad because he thought it would be a better interview. I imagine probably. Yeah. Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan. But until then, we have a website. Indeed, we do.

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And then I get so mad, but I'm not on Twitter. He's back. He's not. Anyway, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm Wilford Snibble Snabel of the Gribble Pibble. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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