Knowledge Fight - #741: December 2, 2015

Episode Date: October 28, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan deal with Alex's absence from the studio by going back and finally covering something they had forgotten they never covered: the time that Donald Trump came on Infowars. Citations

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. Workable dudes. Sit around, worship at the altar of Celine and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Jordan.

I have a quick question for you, sir. What's up? What is your bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan, is I went to get a haircut since our last episode. Looks great. Thank you. It really does. That is not the bright spot.

My bright spot. It's not bad. Looking at it. Yeah. My bright spot. I did a pretty good job. Yeah. But after I had gotten the haircut, you know, they got to clean up the hair that's on the

ground. Right. And so I see this guy. Sure. And he's sweeping. And then he pulls out one of those caddies, the duster. Sure. The dustbin.

Yeah. That's on a little stick. Yeah. You know what I'm talking about. I understand what you're talking about. Just look at this. This is amazing. I saw that and I thought to myself, I would love one of those.

But you can't have one. Those are only for businesses. I can't tell you how many times I've thought that exact same thing. Yeah. Totally. Those are the loudest houses. You can't have it. Yeah.

I think of that all the time. Yeah. And so for a moment I was like, yeah, that'd be great. But then I realized like, no, you can't. You can buy one. Yeah. So I ordered one. Thanks.

It's on the way. I like it. Because I remember back when I used to work at a movie theater and, you know, like it was always so much easier to clean the floors at the movie theater than it is at home. And I realized the reason why is it is so awful to bend down with the dustpan. It's awful. Or it's a real hassle to like sweep up a pile and then get out the vacuum and vacuum that up.

But you have that dustpan on a stick. On the swivel thing? Yeah. Yeah. That's the stuff. Yeah. The universal law that those can only be at businesses. I do appreciate the idea that I have never once considered one of that.

I have been bending down like an idiot with one of those triangle ass. Yeah. What am I doing? Yeah. We have simple machines all over the place. I have a computer. Why am I using a dustpan? Yeah.

And saying. We both, you know, have that. I think that probably a lot of people listening will recognize that they had that exact same thought, but these are only allowed in businesses. Yeah. But yeah, I think I'm not well off enough to get a robot. One of those, whatever those are called, the beep boop. The beep boop things.

Yeah. Cleaning robot, not in the cards, but dustpan on a stick. We can do that. Yeah. That's doable. So what about you? What's your bright spot? The British game show only connect.

So it's like a trivia show, right? Okay. But you have to know an absurd amount of trivia. But what's interesting about the game is that it's about finding the connections between things. So they'll give you like a clue and then they'll give you another clue and they'll have to figure out what connects all four of these things. So that impulse that so many people have towards making up connections, you know, our brains

are wired to find connections, even if they aren't there. It can be used for good to find out weird, strange things. Like they might play four songs and you'd be like, oh, in Greek, these all start with an I. Like it's that kind of level of. Yoda. Yeah. How specific you have to be to combine those things.

And it'd just be like three pop songs. And the only an insane person would be like, well, obviously you translate the title to Greek. And then if you do that, you can see that all four of these are the same thing. Sounds like a fun show. It's really interesting. I enjoy it. Yeah.

Something to fill that whole of contraption master. Yeah. That's that. I've watched all of that. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. It's great.

It's a great fun. So Jordan, today we got an episode to go over. We got some business to take care of. But first I have a question for you. What does Alex Jones have in common with Audrey Hepburn in 1953? I'm going to go with permanent vacation. He's on a Roman holiday. Damn it.

Oh, wait. Is he in Rome? I don't know. That'd be fun. He's on a holiday though. So close it up. Well, I was either going to say that or breakfast at Tiffany's. So he was probably having breakfast somewhere.

Yeah. But yeah, he's on vacation much like Jim Jarmusch in 1980. But I already used that one. Yeah. In privately. Yeah. Or Chevy Chase 1980s somewhere around there. Family vacation.

Got it. Well, I assume he's taking his family. Maybe. Yeah. That's actually a good point. Are lawyers part of your family? He could just be. He's in hiding.

I think that there's something infinitely frustrating about Alex not being on air. But I actually think it's the best thing for him. And I don't big, big picture and for the world. I think it's exactly what needs to happen. Yeah, it's great. He clearly could not stop himself from further defaming people involved in the Sandy Hook lawsuit.

Saying that maybe Sandy Hook was fake. He could not stop himself from doing that. Couldn't do it at all. Yep. He clearly has a lot of business he needs to take care of with his lawyers vis-a-vis the cases that have already happened, the illusions about the appeal, the bankruptcy process. All of this stuff clearly requires a ton of attention.

A lot of business. And he's only going to make things worse for himself if he's on air. So I mean, he doesn't have a deep bench. There's not a lot of people that can fill in. You can clearly see the drop-off in viewership on band.video if you see the episodes where Owen's hosting as opposed to Alex. Oh, boy.

Yeah. It's unfortunate. There are some knocks that are going to come. Yeah. But, you know, it is what needs to happen, probably. See, this is when you need a big name signing. You know, this is like when Alex needs to go out and get, you know, like he can't get a star,

but get somebody on the rise that has some of that oomph, you know, some of that juge, because Owen's not going to do it. And then there's actually, I think, probably where you regret not paying Roger Stone during the down time. That's a good point. You know what I mean? That's a good point. He's gone on to, like, Frank's speech.

And I think, last I heard, I believe he's streaming on Nick Fuentes' platform. Oh, damn. Yeah. And so Stone is the devil. But Stone could be the type of person that you maybe get to fill in here. Right.

Maybe he has enough cachet. Right. But yeah, I think Alex didn't do enough maintenance of their relationship. He's gone off to other places as his primary. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's what I'm pitching you.

Here's what we'll do. Okay. If I'm Alex, I'm throwing, I'm throwing it to the four wins. And I'm saying I will open the pocketbook for a Stone Pachanic two-man show. Every day, three hours. Stone and Steve getting it done. I would actually, I mean, look,

this couldn't take the place of the Alex show. I like your idea though, too. Of course not. Absolutely not. I think that a good show would be Norm and Barnes, but only if they actively and openly hate each other as much as they apparently do. That would be good.

Like if it was just the two of them yelling at each other. Yeah. Yeah. I think that could be fun. Like one of those sports argument shows, but it's just the two of them and it's about their personal lives. Like they're just their grievances towards each other.

Yeah. Or Norm Pattis' comedy workshop. I think it'd be fun. I'm just talking about jokes he's working on. I think that actually could be fun. He's been tweeting a lot about Kanye lately. Oh my God. And I can't, I can barely fight the urge to write like,

oh, I should have got woke insurance. Something like that. Just tweet at him. But I can't engage. But it's the perfect time where woke insurance would be. It is the moment where woke insurance would have come in handy. How's he not doing a callback? Had Norm sold Kanye woke insurance, Norm would own parlor.

That's how big of a claim he's got right there. So, um, yeah, we're in a situation where Alex is still out of studio. So we have to find things to do. Excellent. And I found something and we'll get down to business on that before that though. Let's say hello to some new wonks.

Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Melissa. Okay. Thank you so much. You're on our policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next.

Think team. Think. Uh, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next. Think team.

Think. Uh, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next. Uh, the foundation to repair Alex Jones's daughter's broken dreams.

Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. For just 30 cents a day, you can send someone to a water park. I was going to say, I feel like there's just, uh, an image of me pond with no one fishing at any moment now. This, uh, next person gave me a phonetic spelling, but it doesn't

help. Uh, let me ask you this. How do you pronounce? Uh, C H K A C H K A. Uh, see, it doesn't help phonetically. What is the phonetic? I do appreciate. Chka.

Yeah. That could be. Anyway, happy anniversary. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And Samuel Fisher, pleasant surprise time bomb.

Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Joe from Oregon. Thanks, Jordan. And I are fucking amazing.

And I accept this well-earned compliment. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Brilliant. Someone, someone, Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

Daddy shark. Bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. You sneaky snake.

Yes. Thank you very much. For some reason, me to compliment myself. Did they force us to accept a compliment? I feel like that is one of the ultimate third rails of our show. It's conflicting. Yes. But thank you all the same.

Yes. So Jordan, it's come to my attention that though we talked a lot about Alex's path towards Trump, certainly we did a number of episodes about it through the 2015 stretch. We never actually covered Trump's interview on Alex's show. I believe it wasn't the rationale at the time like it really wasn't that interesting. It wasn't as interesting to the path of supporting Trump. Right. The thesis.

Yes. That was that. And then at that time on our show, you had this standing policy of never listening to Trump's voice. And so there was also a part of it that that was like, I don't know. I don't want to make Jordan listen to this. It's going to be a lot. Yeah.

And so that was something that was never covered. Well, we're there. Now 740 episodes in maybe, you know, as Alex is on vacation, it might be time to look back. I think it's great. Take a peek at this. Now we'll say I turned off this episode at a certain point. That's fair. And that is because there's a bit of bullshit.

There's the Trump interview. There's some other bullshit. And then Alex is like, I'm going to interview Lord Moncton. And I said, click. No, thank you. No, thank you. I'm not really all that interested in that weirdo. Yeah.

I mean, it's just going to be like, oh, climate change isn't real. Look at me. I'm weird. Yeah. On the day today that the UN has put out a report being like, remember when we said 2030, it's now tomorrow 30 faster. I don't want to hear somebody deny climate change. You know how we said 2030?

Yeah. That was actually military time. Yeah. That's what we were talking about. 830 tonight. So yeah, Lord Moncton can go and go parachute back into a UN conference for a publicity stunt. Get the fuck out of here.

But we are going to take a little bit of time to look at this episode. So one of the things that's really fun is that at the beginning of the episode, Alex will not say who the guest is. Okay. He's got a big guest. All right. And he really prepared for this. And I don't normally spend three hours writing questions like I did last night.

And I knew last week this interview was supposedly happening today, but as it neared and as we talked to his people and as all of it got set up, got pretty exciting. But I'm going to let the Drudge Report tell folks in about 15 minutes who's coming on the show. Another thing is Skype testing on the road is always a hassle. So that's going on right now as we speak with them. So I'd rather be in there monkeying around with that to make sure it all happens because the bigger the interview, the more gremlin snafus tend to get in the way.

But that's not something I particularly worried about here today. But this will be an important interview, not just for this broadcast of Liberty Movement, but the questions that will be asked are going to be very, very important and will definitely have an effect on a lot of things happening on the planet. Gremlin snafus. You don't want any gremlin snafus? No, certainly not. That's so much worse than a regular snafu.

Yeah, you do want gremlins to snafus. That's slightly funnier. You want the gremlins to commit snafus. Yes, absolutely. You want their situation that was normal to be all fucked up. Yeah, they need to become like spiders. So he's not saying who the interview is, but it's big. We know.

Yeah. And Alex does, obviously. He spent so much time preparing boy three hours preparing. What could you? What? What could you possibly think of in terms of questions for Donald Trump in an hour that you wouldn't have in three hours? You know what I'm saying?

The end result is not three hours of preparation. No, no. Not any preparation. No. But here's where things get a little bit shady pretty quick as it turns out all or at least almost all of the headlines that Alex covers in the lead-up to before the interview happens are about how great Trump is. Of course they are.

Of course they are. Here is one of them. Okay. Trump was right. Video describes how Jersey City Muslims held pre-planned 9-11 rooftop celebrations. I remember this at the time, so I actually had the crew go dig around. We found a Washington Post about it first. Trump tweeted it last weekend.

So Trump was not vindicated on this, but we'll get to that a little bit later. But yeah, that's one of the big news items of the day. Sure. This is being presented without the context of Trump will be on later. This is just the news. Oh my God. This happens to be in the news. That is almost like a winking Easter egg type thing while at the same time being so

sycophantic that it hurts my heart. And it's not the only headline Trump-wise. Uh-oh. Donald Trump dares to say that Turkey looks like they're on the side of ISIS. Well, it's been proven. Okay. Well, here's another headline. All right.

Turkey's working with ISIS and Trump is proving it. Trump is right about it. It's been proven and Trump is right. Yeah. In case you were wondering, Trump is right about everything. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah.

So we got a show, quite a setup. Yeah. You know, we've got Trump is going to be coming on, although this isn't going to be. He's a big guest. Sure. But the ditty door, metaphorically speaking, is a, uh, on watch is what we're saying right here. Yeah.

And, uh, David Knight going to be hosting the fourth hour, any better belief that he's going to be talking about this interview on the fourth hour. Absolutely. We got to tease the fourth hour that we'll be talking about the interview that we're about to do. That's too crazy. David Knight will be hosting in the fourth hour today and I will assure you he will be talking about the guests we have joining us in about 17 minutes from now.

That will be the fourth hour. We'll be re-airing parts of the interview, uh, and, uh, obviously covering news coverage of the interview, uh, that is coming up. And at the start of the next segment, I will tell you, well, I will direct you to drugreport.com here in the next six, seven minutes with a link that will take you to the audio and video feed, um, where you can obviously see and hear that interview and share that link with friends and family. So they can tune in and hear what's talked about because it's not just going to be a

big interview because this person's basically the biggest interview you can get in the world right now. It's because this individual will be on this show and so it's like a chemistry set. You add those two ingredients together. It's called explosive and the individual coming on knows full well. Why this is being done. So we're doing this to be explosive, cool. But also this is preemptively offensively naval gaze.

Yeah. This is like, we haven't done the interview yet, right? But holy shit, will we be covering the people responding to the interview that we're about to do? Yeah. You know, I mean, I feel like what we're listening to would, if it weren't Trump be so full of shit, you know, like fine, I get it. Stop your window.

Pull the windows down. Tell everybody to turn it to info words. Get on it right there. Alex has certainly done that in lesser context before. But because this is Trump, I think what it is is so very clear how these two know how to game the media for their own. I mean, it's just so obvious to the point and I mean, it's obvious. It's obvious in crest, but I mean, to the point where Alex has already got the headlines

written that they're going to write, you know, like this is one of those few moments where Trump and Alex both were like, we're going to do this. And then you write the headlines before they're they're dropped. They're going to be what you think they're going to be. Yeah. There's a media savviness to it that they're clearly indicating awareness. Yeah. Yeah.

I I'm fascinated by the way that Alex seems to be reassuring the audience that they will cover the coverage of their own. It's yeah. It's we. Yeah. No shit. Yeah. We're not going to cut away.

That's why you're doing this. But also, shouldn't we be more interested in the interview itself as opposed to David Knight covering the backlash to the interview? I think I think it would be a situation where if if that was the interview happening on 9 11, David Knight would still cover the interview and not. Well, it seems like they have equal measure, equal weight to interview itself and how people are going to respond to the interview. Yeah.

And prior to the interview happening, that's a strange way to be entering things. Yeah. Yeah. It is so clear, though, that they're like, no one cares what we say. This is not about we're going to say something of any value. What's real is you're on this show and by doing that, we know what's going to happen. People are going to respond and it's going to be explosive. Exactly.

Yeah. So Trump's ahead in the polls and also all these headlines, like I said, all just Trump headlines. Well, there's the headline at drugsreport.com and you're a TV viewer ready to listen to the drugsreport.com 60 days to Iowa. Trump dominates in every major poll, despite the fact that we're seeing push polls and headlines saying Trump's lead drops. We just keep hearing that for the last few months.

This is a clear attempt to drive down his poll numbers. And that's why he keeps surging in the polls. This is maybe sketchy when you know that Trump is about to come on the show and you're not disclosing that while you cover this as news. Yeah. Yeah. That seems like a full disclosure kind of thing you need to the, I don't know, I find this to be a little weird.

If we were talking about a real news show, if they were to do this, it would be disgraceful. Well, they might not have to mention like, Hey, also this person's coming up, but you think that the interview would be advertised so everyone tuning in would know that the person was going to be on the show. Because otherwise this feels like apropos of nothing. Here's all these great Trump headlines. But that's, that's what's so clear about it, though, is again, they know that nothing about what they say is going to have, what do we have to say?

We don't have words that make sense to each other. We're just going to go at each other. And then what's important, though, is that people are going to say stuff about it. There is a little bit less bad than you think, probably interesting. Well, I think that we have a 2022 understanding of Trump and his communication, and it is really bizarre to like see this in 2015. Like he has communicated a bit more coherently. Interesting.

Yeah. Yeah. He was a little bit all over the place still. There's a speediness to his like, and some disconnected thoughts and what have you. But like compared to what you see these rallies now, like it's a little, it's quite different. You know, being president does take its toll on everybody. Yeah. Yeah.

It manifests in different ways. Yeah. So the news has broken of Alex's interview. He's given the exclusive to the Drudge Report because of course, of course. Now, if you go to drudgerport.com right up in the left hand side right there corner, Trump set for Alex Jones radio developing and Donald Trump is scheduled to be on with us. We're connecting here in about five minutes at Trump Tower in New York City to be joining us live on air and drudgerport.com in the upper left hand corner has that link.

So yeah, the the news of the interview is as important as the interview. Yeah. It's it's a it's a very strange dynamic. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but that's that's one of those things where I I you if it's so obvious what they want, I feel like the entire media structure has to be like, no, no. You know, everybody has to agree that this is this is just we're not going to be treated

like this, you know, like, because if they're going to exploit you so obviously they're going to say it on air before you do the thing that they're going to make you do. Right. Then fucking you are you're the loser. You're the mark. But to me, that is such a difficult line because like I know what you're saying, but at the same time, how do you not bring up that someone who is running for president was on fucking info wars?

You know, like, how do you not cover that? It's the same thing. Like for us, where like Marjorie Taylor Greene was on with Alex and like they were joking around about how she should run for president. Yeah. And it's like, oh, this is stupid. And it's obviously like a ploy for attention and what have you. But how do you not talk about the very violently rhetorical member of

Congress is on info wars right now with some the the marginal regularity on info wars? Yeah, that is relevant. But yeah, it's it's the how do you talk about this stuff without playing into the game of giving them the attention that they so clearly are desperately seeking desperately seeking. And I'm not sure exactly what you do, but you can do that. Yeah, I don't think that coverage of Alex having Trump on necessarily achieved that.

No, no, let's let's say that as far as the past is concerned, no one's getting off light, you know, like, let's not worry too much about exact apportion. And let's just say that everything that happened over the past, say, 10 years, we all need to fix some shit. Some get off lighter than others. But yeah, yeah, so Alex introduces Trump and boy, it's a bit ass kissy. But if you pay attention, feels a little bit like the way that Alex can talk about Trump is like, it's really about me.

Yeah, this is about myself, of course. Donald Trump is our guest, ladies and gentlemen, for the next 30 minutes or so. And obviously he is a maverick. He's an original. He tells it like it is. Doesn't read off a teleprompter. Neither do I. He's self made.

This whole media operation that reaches 20 million people a week worldwide. Conservatively self made. That's why I'm so excited. And he joins us from Trump Tower in New York City. He is the leading 2016 Republican presidential contender. Donald Trump again joins us and I've got so many questions. But but first off, Donald, thank you for joining us. Thank you, Alex.

Great. Great to be with you. Great. Yeah. Great. Great. It's great stuff. Yeah, there's the way in to talk about Trump's achievements is like they're also similar to the achievements of me. There's only one way to say this guy's great. I'm great. And this is why I'm excited to talk to him because he reminds me of me.

He's like an old me. I doesn't talk to teleprompters. Neither do I. He's self made. Not really. And so am I. Not really. Again, not really.

Yes, we both pretend to be self made and we both talk a lot of shit. We're both malignant narcissists. It's fun. Yeah. So we get into this interview by talking about the ways in which Trump was vindicated and of course we talked about the celebrations of 9 11. Sure. And this comes up and it's just all load of shit.

So I knew it happened and I held my line and people wanted me to apologize and we can't do that. People like you and I can't do that so easily. Now we can do it. If we're wrong, Alex, you apologize. I apologize if I was wrong, but they were celebrating and they were celebrating the fall of the World Trade Center. I think that's disgraceful.

It is. And that same week you were reporting on that fact, we had two different international football games, soccer games with the Turkish fans and others during the moment of silence for the dead people in Paris chanting Allah Akbar and booing. So did that not happen too? Well, that happened and everybody saw it. That was a week ago and the players were out on the field and they couldn't

believe it. They were embarrassed. They didn't know what to do. The coach and the managers, they all apologized, but it happened. Look, we have to deal with reality. And you know, it all started because I said, we need surveillance. We need proper surveillance. We have people that truly are evil and they're coming from some place and you

know, sort of where they're coming from, at least the vicinity. And I said, we need proper surveillance, whether it's a must or any place else. We have to be surveilled and we have to see what's coming at us. Trump was not vindicated in his claims and people booing at a soccer game or saying Allah Akbar has nothing to do with the claims that he made. So leave that aside. That's basically an inexplicable, inexplicable and if you want to say like during a moment of silence, people shouldn't yell anything and that's fine,

but you're making it a little bit targeted here. A little bit. So what happened was the Trump said something completely inaccurate and then instead of admitting that he was wrong, he pretended he'd made a completely different claim altogether. He'd initially said, quote, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down and I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as the building was coming down.

Thousands of people were cheering. So something's going on. We've got to find out what it is. A Washington Post article from around 9 11 does mention unverified claims of small amounts of people allegedly celebrating on a rooftop. But there's no video evidence of this ever happening. Reporters have estimated that it was maybe six to 12 teenagers, quote, but even that is doubtful.

So that could be what he's talking about. He said he saw a video anyway at this point when Alex is interviewing him, the goalposts have completely moved. And now Trump is declaring that he was correct because someone found video of Palestinians celebrating in the occupied West Bank. This is not what Trump had claimed and what people were saying he was making up. This is the state of things at this point. And Trump is not at all vindicated.

Also, Alex should be really against Trump's idea of surveilling mosques. That seems wildly against Alex's principles about freedom of religion and the Fourth Amendment, but I guess he doesn't really care about those things too much when the group being targeted to someone other than himself. And you have Trump essentially arguing for increased surveillance in a way that Alex would decry as tyranny in any other context. And instead of giving any pushback, he's just right along with Trump in it. And that's not not he should have stayed up four hours preparing his questions

and maybe stealing his resolve to be able to push back in this this setting. You know, it's like whenever I hear Trump speak, I feel like what I'm what I'm experiencing is like a test for a time. Like here's what happened. OK, a time traveler went back in time and saw Trump talk and they was like, well, there's no reason to worry about this asshole. This guy's clearly not going to cause problems. He's just a moron that everybody will be able to see through such clear bullshit.

Everyone can see through clear bullshit. It's transparent, right? But then he goes back to the future and it turns out Trump did everything that he did, so they let it stay as a training exercise for all future time traveling interventions. So they're like, listen, here's what you think. You think this guy can't hurt you? They can.

That's why we try travel. Fuck these time travelers, man. What are they doing? I don't know. I didn't start the agency, man. They need to go back in time and fix it. Right, stop this training exercise. Well, I mean, you think, but then they'd have to make another training exercise.

That's the problem with fucking around with time. I know. So what do you think Trump thinks the number one problem is? Oh, my God, I mean, it's got to be in immigration or borders or something like that. It's kind of related to that. Yeah, but it's essentially that non white people, Muslims want to blow up cities. There you go. You know, you look at what's going on. You have a president that doesn't even want to talk about, you know,

the radical Muslim stuff. He doesn't want to mention the word. He doesn't want to say it. But you look at what's happening where we have a president that's over there celebrating global warming and trying to get everybody excited about global warming. Like that's our number one problem. He considers that to be our number one problem. And our number one problem is what's going on where they want to blow up our

cities and they want to blow up our country. That's our number one problem. And then our number two problem is crippled America, your number one New York town's the seller and talk about that in a few minutes. Wait, his book is our number two problem. What just happened? What the fuck just happened there? Well, I've brought this up before and that is that like this

appearance on Alex's show has to also be understood through the prism of Trump was on a book sale, a campaign at this time. Right. And so this is also a promotional stop for him to push his book. Sure. And so Alex does do his job at a certain right number of times where he brings up the book in order to try and sell it. Right.

But I'm standing on a sidewalk and a segue just slammed into me and knocked me to the ground and then I'm in the middle of the street. That's what just happened there. I pride myself on segues. I sometimes do some pretty good work. And I've given you many a compliment, but not all of them land. There are some that are, you know, true. No one's perfect.

But you said the number two problem was unfortunate. The phrasing of that. There is that. Yeah. I don't think I would be thrilled if the alleged plans of Muslims to blow up our country is the number one problem. And the number two problem is your book. Your book is shit.

That's the number two problem. Trump. Yeah. So yeah, Trump, he wrote another book, too, though. Oh, I'm sure he did with so many books. Yeah, yeah. He's got a pen. And this one, this should also infuriate Alex.

Well, I was right about that. I was right in saying in a book that I wrote, you covered it really nicely. I appreciate it. But I wrote a very political book years ago in the year 2000, the America we deserve. And I said to that book that we better be careful with this guy named Osama bin Laden. I mean, I really study this stuff. I really find it very interesting. And even though I'm a businessman, I find it, I've always been involved in politics.

I said, we better be careful with Osama bin Laden. There's a guy named Osama bin Laden. Nobody really knew who he was, but he was nasty. He was saying really nasty things about our country and what he wants to do to it. And I wrote in the book 2000, two years before the World Trade Center came down. I talked about Osama bin Laden. You better take him out. Two years.

He's going to crawl under a rock. You better take him out. And now people are seeing that, saying, you know, Trump predicted Osama bin Laden, which actually is true. And then two years later, a year and a half later, he knocked down the World Trade Center. And I talked about terrorism and that. That was before terrorism as we know it today. I said, we better be careful.

That's going to happen. It's going to be a big thing. It certainly is a big thing. So naturally, this is all bullshit. Bin Laden was a well-known quantity by the time Trump put out this book in January 2000, mostly because he was an international terrorist leader and he'd bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. Why is it that everyone just pretends that he hadn't already bombed the same place? Trump's claim that he was a little known figure is absurd.

It is insane. Also, fact check reviewed Trump's book and he didn't say any of this shit in it. This is the only mention he makes of bin Laden in the entire book. Quote, instead of one looming crisis hanging over us, we face a bewildering series of smaller crises, flash points, standoffs and hotspots. We're not playing the chess game to end all chess games anymore. We're playing tournament chess, one master against many rivals. One day, we're all assuming that Iraq is under control.

The UN inspectors have done their work. Everything's fine. Not to worry. The next day, the bombings begin. One day, we're told that a shadowy figure with no fixed address named Osama bin Laden is public enemy number one and the US jet fighters lay waste to his camp in Afghanistan. He escapes back under some rock in a few news cycles. Later, it's onto a new enemy and a new crisis.

That was his mention of some, but it's maybe lying about the context in this interview. I don't I don't understand fundamentally how a human being could listen to someone as insane as Trump say, if people had listened to me, we would have stopped 9 11 and not go, oh, that guy's insane. Ah, how I don't get it. I just don't understand any way that you could listen to that man say that he could have stopped 9 11. If everybody just listened to him and think, oh, that's not an insane person that needs

to go away for a long time. Well, spoiler alert, Ted Nugent is on later and maybe did he predict 9 11? No, but maybe he implies that he could have stopped the Holocaust. There we go. There we go. There is. OK, you know, all right. Yeah, these guys are all man. So there's another problem here beyond Trump just being full of shit about his book. Alex should strongly disagree with Trump's prediction.

Alex doesn't think that bin Laden was the mastermind of 9 11. And if anything, Trump making this kind of prediction should be evidence that he was in on the attempt to set up bin Laden as the villain after the globalists did 9 11. Of course, none of this is addressed. And Trump's ridiculous claim that nobody really knew who bin Laden was in 2000 goes unchallenged because Alex isn't in the business of actually gauging with anything that Trump says and how it's clearly contradictory to his pretend worldview. I mean, the the amount of time that I have spent like not understanding why we

don't continuously talk about how bin Laden hit the World Trade Center twice. Like this that is the ultimate return to the scene of the crime situation. Do you know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't get more. The guy bombed it once and it was like, oh, not enough. Like, you know, it's it doesn't get more than that. And yet people are still like 9 11. Only time any terrorism has ever happened.

Right. You know, well, like what are we doing here? Sure, sure. And I think it's important as part of the contextualizing of of the story. And it also undercuts a lot of this. Like, how could how could anybody have possibly even talked about bin Laden? No way. Yeah. Right. But but the the reality is, though, too, what it is exploiting is that it is fair enough to say that prior to 9 11 Osama bin Laden wasn't necessarily a

name that was on everybody's tongue. Sure. It wasn't somebody who was a household name that everybody was talking about. Yeah. But it's like that's the exploit exploiting of that to claim that no one knew who he was or he was like an obscure figure is just ridiculous. Right. But yeah, that's that's a it's a fun game. Yep. So Alex brings up that Trump knows Putin. Sure. This is good news to now in 2022. Sure.

Yeah. It's not really well explored, but there is something that that does it is probably a large part of the interview that I didn't cut as many clips of. Uh-huh. And that is that Trump wants to take the fucking oil from the Middle East and failing that he wants to bomb the oil fields. So people that he doesn't like can't make money off it. So that that is touched on. That's real politics. You know, but it was just two years ago, Alex.

That's the only problem. Donald Trump joins us live. Can you speak to as president what your relationship would be with foreign leaders and what you know about Vladimir Putin? Because all I know is why are we starting a fight with Russia when they're not doing anything to us. Right. Well, number one, and just to finish on the other way, I say hit the up, but we should keep the oil.

In other words, we should keep. We'll get ExxonMobil. They'll go in. We'll get other of our oil companies. We'll get some of the great oil companies. We bid it out. We should keep the oil. You know, in the old days to the victor belong to spoils, right?

We don't have that. We go in. We fight a war and we leave. We get nothing except we get death and we get deficit. That's all we get. I think I get along great with people. I mean, I will probably get along well with him. And if I don't, somebody else will.

And who knows, you know, he's a difficult, he's tough and he's smart. I was on the show 60 minutes with him recently, not together. I mean, we, they did him and they profiled me at the same show, which was that we were stable mates, right? But I think I'd get along very well with him. I think it's too fine. Yeah. He's a tough cookie, but, uh, I'll probably get along with him or someone else will.

Yeah. Yeah. Man. I mean, I think that's a non-answer answer. Um, it seems more important that Trump, you know, really was at that time obsessed with the idea of pillage. Yeah. Yeah.

Ponder of other countries riches. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's a real, that's a real like, oh, you're a small boy. You're a very small boy. If you think that Viking times are the pinnacle of civilization. Well, too, like the, the premise of, uh, the Iraq war, uh, ostensibly is that, like, you know, you had this tyrant who was in power.

Yeah. And so we're helping, uh, overthrow this tyrant in order to bring, uh, a democratic state into existence and remove a threat to regional neighbors and the world's stability as a whole. Terciarily. The, that mission is not served by stealing all of their resources. Right. That seems like, uh, something else.

Uh, it seems counter to the stated, uh, idea. Yeah. I mean, he might as well be like, what I'd like to do is turn the region into glass and then, uh, we will all have somewhere to ice skate. It would really serve the people, um, who were, uh, trying to free from this dictatorship if, uh, we took their oil. Yeah. It is, it is very much like you understand that the, the, what are you going to do?

Turn Iraq into a, the 51st state? You're like, that's what we're going to do. Well, you're belying and, and revealing your real lack of concern for the actual people, of course, uh, of the region. Yeah. And that's a little too obvious. There's no after for this plan. There's only they're all dead.

Mm hmm. Yeah. So Alex has some, um, interesting points here. One is that he believes that Trump is a manifestation of this war that's going on behind the scenes, which is the counter counter coup that Steve Pachennik had been talking about at this time, right, which is very reminiscent of Proto Q. Uh, QAnon ideas that were going around, uh, even before the, uh, creation of that, uh, whole thing.

Yeah. Um, whatever it was. And so Alex expresses this, uh, that Trump is like, you know, these people behind the scenes, the good people in government have brought him in to do this, uh, mission. Um, but there's another preoccupation. So Trump is preoccupied with stealing oil and Alex is preoccupied with, please reassure me that you're not fucking around.

Right. Right. Right. Please just tell me that you're not going to Ross Perot this thing. Yeah. Uh, and, uh, there's, you know, a little bit of dodging of questions. And I've talked to not just high level folks that have been in government that are on your team, but separately in government currently that say there's

an internal war going on and that you're a manifestation of that. I don't want to get these things inside baseball with you, but I already know the inside baseball. I know now from top people that you actually are for real and you understand you're in danger and you understand what you're doing is epic. It's George Washington level and you understand that office. I want to tell you right now, can you speak about the war for the soul of this country that's happening right now and really tell people what's

happening and commit to people that you won't Ross Perot under death threats and step down when you're in the lead, uh, two months from the election. Okay. So let me just tell you, Alex, as you know, I'm leading in every poll nationally in every poll state. I'm leading in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, the SEC, Texas. I'm leading in Texas, which I love. I love Texas.

You know, we were there. Mark Cuban called up. He said, do you want to use the arena user? We filled it up in three or four days. 20,000 people in Mobile, Alabama. We had 35,000 people. We had 20,000 in Oklahoma. I'm so into this and I'm not into far.

You know, I could do other things that I would enjoy doing to be honest with you doing a dangerous mission. We understand that it's not an easy thing, but the key is make America great again. We can make America great again. But if you have to suffer through four more or eight more years of what's gone on in the past and what's going on, we're being eaten away. It's just eating away at our country.

And we can make, in my opinion, we can make America greater than ever before. But we have to get going. It has to happen. We have to get going. And, you know, when you look at the vision, I said, Iraq, you agreed with me on Iraq, I said, hit the oil. I said a lot of things that turned out to be true, 100% true. And I'm giving credit.

I'm giving credit by some people. Some people refuse to acknowledge it. You know, they refuse to say, no, you've been, you've been, you've been absolutely on target. So when I'm asking you, is the crossroads we're at right now, though, because you've talked about it, are we at a crossroads to decide whether this country is done or whether we go to the next level? Well, I think this, I think that it's sadly, I think that if we don't get it

right this time, I think this is going to be the most important election our country's ever had. I mean, you have to say George Washington was right there. You know, the couple of pretty important elections, right? But the first election for George Washington, like it was pretty much not even a, it was an election for a vice president, but not really for the president. No, everybody was like, everybody practically forced him to be president.

He at many times he was like, I don't know if I'm actually a president guy. Unless you're arguing that like the John Adams being his vice president was the most important. That was not the most important election. But leaving that aside, I don't think the question's answered. You know, like, are you going to Ross Perot it? Haven't decided yet. I look, I love these rallies.

These are a lot of fun. I've enjoyed this. I could do other things. Certainly the ideas that I'm saying, I believe are important. There's no reassurance that Alex is looking for here. It would be, it would, I would be interested to know if there was a moment where you could talk to Trump and like go back time travel wise. One more time.

If there's a moment where you could talk to Trump in like early 2016 and just be like, listen. If you keep campaigning for president, you can do all the rallies all the time. Everyone will give you all the adoration that you want, right? But if you become president, you're going to be stuck inside that room. Oh, it's going to be so bad. You're going to hate that room, man.

You don't get adoration from there. People are going to be even more critical of the things you do. Real mad. Yeah. The people around you are going to think you're a child. If you keep doing rallies, you could talk shit. You're the greatest. You know what could stop you from talking shit?

Oh, you're the best. Ah, yeah. Yeah. Cause that's what he wanted. Yep. That's what he's always wanted. Yeah. I don't know how you would do that necessarily.

Mm hmm. Uh, like perpetual campaign, but I mean, that's basically what he's doing now and he tried as president. He was doing rallies a year into president. He was like, listen, I am not good at this job thing. Sure. I like it when people scream my name. Sure.

If only there was some sort of a middle ground we could have reached where you could have all pretended that he wanted to attend. Did he want, we could have put him in a nice little re recreation of the White House? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Um, but yeah, Alex didn't get the reassurance that he was looking for on the pro question. And so he tries to do it again.

The man in the arena, his new book, we're going to talk about the moment is exposing the fact this company being sabotaged by design. Specifically, I don't want to bring up detractors. And it's a question I had early on that I did more research and after Roger, you really do want to save this country where your children and grandchildren live, but let's expand on this. There are certain pundits out there saying you played golf with Bill Clinton and so you, you know, you've, you had to do business in New York.

So you said nice things about Hillary. I get keeping your enemies closer when you're not doing politics. I get it. I understand. I think that's what you did. But, but tell us specifically, and I, and I don't think this now I've seen it. I know you're for real. You wouldn't be saying the things you're doing.

They're scared of you. The whole system's coming on against you. But promise us that you're not going to drop out at the key moment, keeping all the other Republicans out of view and then Hillary racist to the head or, or Jeb Bush does, because as you know, folks, you're claiming you're a Clinton operative. You know, I've never heard that. I, I, I heard it actually a few months ago, but I've hit her harder than

anybody times 10. If you look at the, I was a businessman. Yeah. I've only been a politician for five months. I hate to use the term because, you know, it's all, your statement. Oh my God. So that wasn't quite a reassurance either, right? But Alex is really desperately just trying to be like, just please.

Like this is one of the stumbling box for the audience. The audience, when I say that some detractors have said this, I'm saying that this is one of the criticisms that I can't, uh, just hand away in the audience. So I need you to do this in order to get them over that hurdle. Yeah. I mean, the irony is like, listen, Alex, here's what happens. Okay. When you're a billionaire, if I want something, then I go to a politician

and I pay them to give it to me. I mean, you said that in the debates. Exactly. So it's like, yeah, of course, of course, I'm, I'm, I am an oligarch. I'm an above politics. I just want to kill all of you. Like that's, that's insane. Yeah.

And I mean, Trump says as much, I mean, not the killing all of you. Yeah. But the like, I did business. I got to do the business in order to like, I have to fuck with these people. Why didn't all of us just go, well, then the system should stop. Yeah. It's not this, this, yeah, but great point and something that Alex should maybe push back on based on his worldview, but instead, this is

just an acceptable answer. One of the magazines recently called me a world-class business man. The truth is I did. I built an unbelievable company, a tremendous assets, tremendous, not only that iconic assets, very little debt, tremendous cash flow. It's a great company. And by the way, people now see how good when I did the filing. Everyone said, oh, he'll never file.

I'll never file. It's almost a hundred pages long and it's an unbelievable company. So I built it, which by the way, the reason I say that, that's the kind of thinking our country needs. But I got along great with Clinton. I got along great with Harry Reid. I get along great with everybody because when I needed them, I didn't want to have argument.

I didn't want to have somebody say, well, Clinton doesn't want it to happen. You're not a loser. You don't get in mindless fights. You move forward with your agenda, but now you see America in trouble and you're hanging. That's all sideline now. Donald Trump's not working for Donald Trump. He wants to work for America.

Yeah. As a businessman, you couldn't have even functioned if you don't get along. No, I know. Yeah. For example, in New York City, it's 95% Democrat. I mean, if I didn't get along with the Democrats, I wouldn't have one. Well, I'll tell you, I mean, you did want the vice president position. It's come out decades ago behind the scenes.

And I know you're a Republican. What about libertarianism? What's your view of libertarianism? And then I want to ask you, who's your favorite president and who do you think you're running mate might be? Folks think it's Ted Cruz. So, oh my God, Alex is like, all right, you're kind of answering this question. Let me go ahead and finish it off for you.

I'm going to go ahead and answer this question for you. Now also, I stayed up for three hours and one of the questions that I came up with is who's your favorite president? Who's your favorite president and the most obvious question, who are you considering as a running man? Yeah, I also wrote down sandwiches, favorite kind. Yay or nay. Yeah, between two pieces of bread or outside the bread.

Sure. Do you put the meat on the outside and the bread on the inside? Trump, tell me more about you. Hot dog, sandwich or not. That would be a more substantive debate than most of the ones that Trump had. That's a good question. That's a good question. It's chili soup.

What's the cold soup called? Buoyabase? Gaspacho. Gaspacho, disgusting. So we get no answer on the question of the running mate, but we do get some rambling around and then we learned about the favorite president. Keep your, you probably maybe respond with a yell to this. So I would, I would ask you to not because Alex's response to the answer

of who is your favorite president is shocking. Okay. As far as running mate is too soon to say, I actually respect a couple of people that are on the stage. Some of them have absolutely no respect for their, I mean, I think they're not very good at all at what they do. You look at what's going on, but I have respect for a number of people that are on the stage with me.

I have respect for a lot of people that are throughout this country. Paul, you know, political people. I'll pick somebody I think that can really be a great vice president or ultimately has to be a great president because that's, you know, 90% of that function is, you know, if something bad happens, they got to be a good president. You have to view it from that standpoint. And my favorite president in the more or less modern era would be Ronald Reagan. I've always liked him.

And by the way, he was a Democrat. A lot of people don't know you are some of a liberal Democrat. Alex, as you know, and he became a somewhat conservative. I wouldn't say the most conservative, but if somewhat conservative. But he wanted to make America great. And he really did. He wanted to make, he had actually, let's make America great. That was his and mine is make America great again.

So there's a little bit of a difference. Alex thinks the Reagan's a secret communist. I was going to say, what? This is not like mine to mine to Alex, Alex. That is, I have heard Alex talk about so many presidents and not once has he been like, you know, Reagan was the best president. I understand that, uh, certainly he's probably grown in appreciation for Reagan in the last bit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's not in line with Alex's sort of regular, consistent yeah, ideology. Yeah, yeah. If you view Reagan as being the, the terminator two of ending the new deal, then, uh, I suppose you would grow in appreciation for him as the new deal continues to disappear. You know, like Reagan's only gaining in popularity as we all discover that

he's dismantled the entire country from the top down, which is proud. It's, it's a great answer for Trump, I guess. I mean, it's sort of, it was a great answer for Obama and it was a great answer for what Bush and it was a great answer. Everybody kept saying, but it's in line with what you'd expect from Trump. So it's fine. Yeah. But for Alex, who that's not okay.

No, no, no, no, no. Nope. Nope. Who's your favorite president? Um, Eisenhower. No, you can't be, you can't. What's no, well, I like that speech. No, but I mean, he's also the guy at the center of all that.

Nevermind. Fine. Uh, he's also a secret communist. Yeah. I guess again. Yes. All of them are Alex. You're not supposed to like any president.

You're not supposed to. You're above the left, right. Paradise. Yep. So Alex, it turns out the path to Trump is complicated. Uh, as we discovered, there were a lot of clear influences. Um, a lot of Steve Pachanic influence, a lot of Roger Stone influence. Um, but there was one that we didn't account for.

And that is Alex's 13 year old son, Rex, my son, my son, you know, finally showed me on being a bigger supporter of yours. And I liked you, love Americana, your pure Americana, and I'm still, you know, was research, but, but my personal son's really smart as well. Research. He watches all the debates and he just really loves you. He is on cloud nine that you're here. Rex Jones.

And it was his question, uh, you know, which president was your favorite? Uh, but, but all time, all time, who's your favorite? Well, all time. I'd say Ronald Reagan, uh, shorter term, I would say, well, you, you know, you look at Lincoln, you look at Washington, you have to go with, they would, they have the classics, right? Alex, you know, you think in terms of the great classics, you have to go with the Lincolns and the Washington's.

I agree with a man's man. George Washington was a badass. You know, that's what they say. I mean, that's what they say. He said they never told a lie. Let's hope that's true. Okay. But George Washington was pretty good, but we had some luck.

We had some great presidents. And we have some. What are you talking about? Name five, but, uh, we will hopefully be right at the top of that list. We're going to make the country so strong. You gotta go with the classics, Jordan. What a fucking book report that was never finished. Right.

You know, my favorites, uh, you got to go with, uh, Bride and prejudice. That's a classic book. When you look at presidents, you look at Lincoln in Washington, someone coached him. They're the classics. I accidentally say Jefferson Davis. Yeah, something like that.

Yeah. What are you talking about? Oh, it's that inspires absolutely no confidence in somebody having opinions about right or depth to their, uh, their feelings about government is totally like, you don't know anything about American history whatsoever beyond the lore that you make up in your own brain. I think Alex was probably hoping you would say Andrew Jackson. Yeah.

That would be the one that makes the most sense on account of their identical, uh, but Alex was begging him not to say Woodrow Wilson. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, the one that made black people hide in the White House. That one is that what? No, no, no, can't do that one. Oh, no, I'm sorry.

The classics go with the classics. So they, um, take a little moment here, um, to say thank you to a very special person. Sure. A few more minutes with us, uh, and he brought up, you know, somebody that he wanted to thank on there, that I want to thank on there. He came in here a month ago. He's been on all these big shows, just an incredible guy.

I was aware of who he was, a patriot, fighting communism all over the world. Tell us Mr. Trump about Mr. Stone who helped get this interview set up. Well, Raj is a good guy and he is a patriot and believes strongly in that strong nation. A lot of the things that, uh, that I believe in and he, you know, I see him all over television, people like Raj.

He's a tough cookie. I will tell you that, but people like him, but he's been so loyal and so wonderful and he is the one. He really wanted me to do this interview and I'm doing it. And, uh, so, uh, we appreciate it. Roger. Well, I knew who he was, but then I did raw research on him. This guy literally fought communist all the world, ran big elections against

the Soviet Union, uh, in Latin America and Africa and Asia. I mean, wait, what? And I know he's been friends with you for a long time and advising you. So again, my respect level went up even more knowing that you're talking to real political operatives, not, not fake pundits that are on TV. And that brings me to mainstream media. A lot of people are cookies for Trump. Yeah.

Cookies. Yep. Yep. Um, yeah. So yeah, Roger. Hmm. I'm, I'm, I'm disappointed in all of us, uh, on a regular basis because it appears that the only thing we really want, really want and will reward in

our politicians is the ability to say nothing for a long time. Sure. Like we love it when you can say zero, you got to go with the hours, hours of absolute nothing. You said to be fair, zero. I cut out a fair amount of him saying we should bomb oil. See, there we go. Then that's what we talk about.

We talk about bombing oil fields. We don't talk about, he didn't say any words. Well, he was talking about the classics and banking or Roger. Sure. Giving it up for Roger. This is a big zero. He's done some stuff. He's done some other stuff.

I ran elections apparently. Yeah. Sure. Fine. I believe that he was more a, um, advisor for dictators. That's really more what he was the one that he helped with the, yeah. So the here was where the interview ends and, uh, um, there's some, there's some dynamics here.

The first is that this clip will include the only thing that people remember of this interview, which is, uh, Trump saying your reputation is amazing. Sure. I will be talking a bunch in the future, which never happened again, at least publicly. Yeah. Um, but there's also, before we get to that, Trump says essentially something along the lines of like, if I don't win, I don't care.

Like this whole making America great thing is, is wonderful and all that. Right. If I don't win, I'm just going to watch TV. I don't give a shit. Fuck all of you. I'm not going to make America great unless it involves me winning. That really sounds like somebody who has got civic, uh, you know, you know what I would say?

Statesman. Yeah. Statesman. What about crippled America? It's a number one. You got a big rally tonight. Everywhere you go, your crowds just get bigger. I mean, obviously you're probably going to get the Republican nomination now.

Wow. And you're ready for the dirty tricks. If, uh, one minute left, Donald Trump, what do you have to say about your book and what's coming up? Well, first of all, before the book, you mentioned one thing I've never heard that, but I am in this to win it. I am not in this to say, oh, gee, I've done a really good job. A reporter called up, a very powerful reporter said, how does it feel?

How does it feel? I said, it only feels because they said what we've done has never been done before politically. And I've been in the polls for five months since it came out. I'm number one. I said, it's only good if we win. If I, if I don't win, I've wasted a lot of time. That's the way I've been.

He said, no, no, you haven't, you haven't. I said, believe me, if I don't win, because we can't do anything to make our country great, if I don't win, I'll be watching television someplace. It'll be forget it. So I wrote a book called crippled America. It's doing a fantastic business. I don't know if you can see that thing right up here, but it's doing great business. I hope your audience goes out and buys it as Christmas gifts and everything else.

And I just want to finish by saying your reputation is amazing. I will not let you down. You will be very, very impressed, I hope. And I think we'll be speaking a lot, but you'll be, you'll be looking at me in a year and a year or two years. Let's give me a little bit of a time to run things. But a year into office, you'll be saying, wow, I remember that interview. He said he was going to do it and he did a great job.

You'll be very proud of our country. Well, I'm impressed. I mean, you're saying you're fully committed. You know, there's no future and we don't take this country back. Donald Trump, I hope you can help uncrippled America. Thank you so much, sir. You will be attacked for coming on. We know you know that.

Thank you. Yeah. So there's, it's, it's the tone of this is a little strange. Yeah. Definitely a unwillingness to engage with any kind of attempts to make America better, unless it involves me winning this presidency. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which I think is shallow.

I mean, that is like, I feel like any moral system, let's say, I don't know, a big one, let's call it Christianity. If a billionaire were to say, if I'm not the ruler of this country, there's nothing I can do. Well, there's nothing anybody can do really. Then I feel like maybe you don't believe in that religion at all. Sure. And also, I would like to juxtapose this with someone like Bernie Sanders.

Let's imagine him with his ideas, we don't talk about campaigning and then being like, if I don't win, nothing. No, I refuse to believe. I'm at the point now where my denial is that Bernie Sanders ever existed. I refuse to believe fair enough that there was so obviously someone who is right about everything that we shit all over or well, the powerful shit all over the the comparison I just want to make is there is still a desire to work to make things better as best he can in whatever capacity he can,

regardless of winning. And you have someone like Trump like, I'll just watch TV. I don't give a shit. Yeah, I mean, it seems like it should have been that that should be a problem. The here's here's what. OK, 2016, Bernie loses fine. He's he's he pushed him to the left. We all we wanted it.

You know, but what you're going to do? Right. Right. And then Trump wins and then we see all the stuff that happens. Right. And then Bernie's like, well, finally, these these idiots are ready. Right. And then we still the powerful people still fuck them over. That was the one point where any reasonable person could be justified in being like, fuck all of you, fuck all of you. I'm right about everything.

They're all taking me down. You're dumb. Fuck all of you. I'm going home reasonable. He's still at work. Yeah, it's tough to resist the impulse to give into that nihilism or whatever. But it is important to. And you can see the Trump has no willingness to or interest in even

trying if he can't be the king. Yep. Now, the other thing is you can see as Alex is going out, one of the primary concerns that he has is this like, you're not going to quit. You're not a Clinton shill. OK. Right. You know, like really try that seems to be the primary mission of this interview is just to convince the audience that he's not going to quit six months down the road or whatever. Stick around. Yeah, he's not going to bow out and give the election to Hillary, which is the

conspiracy conspiracy is that they're choosing Trump to be the least likeable candidate so that the second least likeable candidate will finally win. Well, like a Judas Goat. Yeah, exactly. As he has said. So we have some other things that are going to be happening on this episode. And here's one of them. Joe Biggs. Boo. As you know, I've wanted to go around with these reported Jihad radicalization camps. A lot of them found about the State Department and other agencies.

And we have in full wars. Investigates of Eric and Califate. They're going to be gone for the next week, plus in Texas, in New York, in Michigan and in North Carolina and many other states. This is only round one of this. The training centers, the military training areas, the Finstoff areas, where this is going on, what the locals think. Joe Biggs is going to be on the first 30 minutes with. David Knight of the fourth hour.

Then we will reair in the fourth hour, the last 25 minutes or so. The Donald Trump interview. David Knight will be on showing and quarterbacking and traffic copping that hour. So this is fun because Joe Biggs is currently facing seditious conspiracy charges for his actions on January 6th, where he was part of the Proud Boy leadership that planned to invade the Capitol to stop the certification of the 2020 election. Also, this is a little bit before he got into his PizzaGate bullshit. Yeah. Also, noting is worth noting is that this trip that Biggs went on is

something that we actually have some insight into thanks to information relayed by Josh Owens in his piece in the New York Times. He worked for Info Wars and was along for this very trip that's going to be discussed. Here's how he described it to the Times, quote, in December, 2015, the day before Jones interviewed Donald Trump, still a candidate at the time on his radio show, I made my way to upstate New York on assignment, along with a reporter and second cameraman. We were sent to visit Muslim majority communities throughout the United States

to investigate what Jones instructed us to call the American Caliphate. After the California Geiger counter debacle, that was when they were sent out to get evidence that there was radiation and what have you, and it didn't work out. That was very funny. We had meetings with Jones before trips in order to ascertain exactly what he wanted. If we, quote, hit some home runs, he said, we would get significant bonuses. They tried to make contact with folks in a community called Islamberg, but were turned away because of concerns for security from Josh's article,

quote, because of the conspiracy theories about the place, Islamberg was a constant target of right wing extremists. That April, a Tennessee man was arrested and later convicted of plotting to raise a militia to burn Islamberg's mosque to the ground. Only days before we arrived, the FBI had issued an alert to law enforcement to be on the lookout for a man named John Ritzheimer, a leader of an anti-Muslim movement in Arizona who posted a video threatening violence against Muslims less than two weeks earlier.

So the phone call we received later that night from a law enforcement agent shouldn't have come as a surprise. The officer who contacted us said he simply wanted to verify who we were after receiving a concerned call from somebody in Islamberg. We told Jones about it, and he chose to believe the call was a failed threat, an attempt to intimidate us into silence. To him, this verified that we were onto something. He even went so far as to include Michael Bloomberg, the former mayor of New York

City in the purported conspiracy, claiming he wanted to abolish the Second Amendment and that somehow intimidating us would achieve that. Jones told us to file a story that accused the police of harassment, lending credence to the theory that this community contained dangerous potential terrorists. I knew this wasn't the case. According to the information we had, we all did. Days before we spoke to the sheriff and the mayor of Deposit New York, nearby municipality.

They both told us the people in Islamberg were kind, generous neighbors who welcomed the surrounding community into their homes, even celebrating holidays together. The information did not meet our expectations, so we made it up, preying on the vulnerable and feeding the prejudices and fears of Jones's audience. We ignored certain facts, fabricated others and took situations out of context to fit our narrative. So that's going on right now. Joe Biggs is filing the first report from this clear, fraudulent coverage that was meant intentionally to stoke agitate

against Muslim communities. Yep. And you can hear even in Alex's coverage of this video that Biggs is going to be airing that is American Caliphate, the framing that came from Alex himself. And it was like, this is what you're going out to create justification for coverage. Right. All right. And it's pretty sad.

It's pretty sad. Yeah. And it's the same day that Trump is on the show. Yeah. That's what a Don Salazar calls research. Coincidence. Yeah. That was an interesting coincidence doesn't jive with me. Sure. Yeah. So this is just a weird thing that happens.

Alex gets up in his head talking about his childhood violence and possibly murders. What? I love this species. I'm a fan of humanity. Man, I know about our accomplishments and I'm sick. All these piles of crap get in our way and I want you out of our way. I don't like you. I never liked bullies when I was a little kid.

I don't like them now. And I lost no exaggeration. I was thinking about the other day. It was probably over a hundred fights. I was 10, 11, 12 years old. I lost with guys that were three, four years older. But let me tell you at a certain point by the time I was about 12 or 13, it didn't matter.

They were three years older. I kept pounding their faces in and jumping on them and ramming their head in the ground until they realized how old the cops would show up. Some might have blood coming out their ears and they'd say, my God, how'd you just beat up this 16, 17 year old who weighs 230 pounds and you weigh 160 pounds? What's going on with you kid? And I said, listen, they attacked me and I stood up for myself.

Sometimes those bullies, when I had their head knocking it in the pavement, would ask the question. And by the way, these aren't Ben Carson stories. They're a lot worse than I tell you. Everybody knows it. Everybody's got a sixth sense. I tell those bullies, I said, do you want to hurt me? Don't you get it?

I don't want to hurt you. I want you to get off me and I want you next time to leave me alone and to leave other people alone. It's like, I don't want to plagiarize it, but I actually said that to people. Like in the Enders game when he kills the kid or beats the kid up and they said, watch him attack me because I didn't want him to come back in yet. I want him to leave me alone. What the fuck?

This is unsettling. What the fuck just happened there? Yeah. Did we just turn into a weird trauma situation? What is going on? Yeah, this is very, very bizarre. That was wild. Yeah.

So yeah, I guess that's a rationalization for why you're slamming someone's head into the concrete because at that point, it's not self-defense anymore. You're really. So let me try and let me see if I understand this story. Let me see if I understand this story correctly. Alex has this person's head slamming it into the ground. And they're asking a question apparently. Yeah, apparently they're like, hey, wait a second.

Hey, hold up. Why are you doing this? Yeah. And then Alex standing over them, holding their head in his hand says, I want you to get off me. Yeah. Gotcha. I don't want you.

Well, no, it's I don't want you to come back. I want to kill you so you can't bully me again. Right, right, right. Which I and I understand. But that was a that was a metaphor in a fictional book. Apparently it's literal and not a Ben Carson story for Alex. And it's also made up story still. Yeah, but he gets emotional.

It seems to be on the verge of tears. No, OK, man, unsettling. Yeah, not good. You don't make me feel good. No, that's a big thing about Alex. He does not make me feel good ever. No, because like, OK, I know the genre that this story belongs to. And that is the standing up to bullies story.

This is a bad version of a standing up to bully story because standing up to bullies generally is like they're threatening violence against you and then maybe you punch the bully and they're like, OK, OK, OK, I'm not going to pick on you anymore. The point is the violence as a whole stops. Right. All of the violence. Right. Or even like a great version of the story would be a bully is picking on you and you say, I'm not going to take this anymore

and you stand up to them. And then it's just words that are able to diffuse the situation. Perfect. A bad version of it is I'm slamming their head into the concrete in trying to make it so they can't hurt me anymore. Right. That is fucked up. Right. So what happened was this guy was like, oh, your shoes are stupid and I hate bullies. So I beat his head into the ground repeatedly.

Yeah. And then I think this this illustrates a real lack of understanding of like who a bully is. Sure. There's that appropriate self-defense. Yep. Yep. Losing your shit. I mean, let's just say emotional control in any way whatsoever. So yeah, no, you can't. Yeah, you can't. So this show sucks.

We have these things that are going on in it. We have Alex losing his mind talking about murder. We have the Trump interview. Right. We have Joe Biggs agitating against Muslims. Right. And then that was Joe Biggs from an undisclosed location. He's going to be live in the fourth hour today. They're going to six different Jihadi training camps. In fact, if you see that fence right here, what one last night,

that's where that was shot. This is obviously not very safe to do is we're not announcing where he's at until he's left or where he's going next. We obviously had Donald Trump on dropping bombshells in the last hour. And now saving the best until last we have the Motor City madman with Stranglehold King himself. Ted Nugent, Johnny, the next 20 plus minutes to talk about the state of this country, the state of this world.

Ted Nugent, I've got to say that I love to see you as the vice presidential running mate with Donald Trump. There's a lot of bad stuff happening, but I can feel the energy, the real awakening of America, liberty rising. I've been very negative in the past and correctly if I'm wrong, but are you not feeling the tectonic explosive volcanic energy, the rebirth of America beginning to happen? Or am I wrong, Ted Nugent?

Well, as your number one, the truth is so glaring right now, the self-evident truth, the common sense, the logic that you share with everybody on your program and with your voice. I salute you for that. But you know, here it is December 2015 and the whole world sucks. All right. OK, great. OK. Ted, Ted, you are so rich and you live in the middle of nowhere and you just go hunting and that.

What? Why are you bitching? Well, because I do like that. Like, everything is, you know, I can feel the time change. And, you know, do you feel this? Do you feel this, Ted? Everything sucks. Yeah. I like that. I don't like hearing Ted, but yeah.

It is weird that the president of the United States, the future president of the United States was on this show. At the same time, Alex had people making up fake stories about jihadi training camps, right? You know, like putting, putting just average citizens at risk, quite frankly. Like that's that is insane. Yeah, that is. I don't know how to process that. Nugent on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

What do we do? Yeah. Dan, how this isn't real. Yeah, I know this is real. It has a lot of the similar shades to the Rogan was on 9 11. Yeah, you know, like it is the like, oh, that same day that Alex interviewed Trump, he had Ted Nugent on and suggested he should be VP. Yep. And was airing the beginning of his segments where he sent his employees out to lie about Muslim communities. Totally. Totally.

Yep. Yeah. And that's I mean, it's just it's when you when we talk about the past of what we've talked about, this is fake, right? We're we're asleep. There's something going on. We're going to wake up in a better situation where it's like, no, no, no. Of course, this wouldn't happen. It's not possible.

It's absurd. I mean, you're shaking. I'm shaking. So, you know, we have this episode where Trump is on and clearly Alex spent the time before Trump came on covering the news, which is just pro Trump had, right, right, right. So you kind of think like we're all in on this Trump guy, right? Ted, Ted, not all the way in.

No, he likes another Ted. Oh, I mean, Obama has been caught trying to set up a caliphate. It's true. What he does want to overthrow this country. And I just wonder, what is our establishment thinking? I mean, I know they're not perfect, but they really want to put bags on our women's heads. Well, you know, I hear hope coming from Ted Cruz and hope coming from Donald Trump and occasionally here to hope from Marco Rubio and Charlie Fiorino. Think there's some great people.

I don't think the other the other Michael, the Archangel quite yet. I think Ted Cruz would make the best present we may have ever had. I'm not a wow anyone, but I'm I'm in surprisingly intelligent. Yes. And he's constitutional. He's not a Ted Cruz guy. He's a U.S. constitutional servant. Man, they don't like Ted Cruz anymore. Wow. Yeah, that got that changed.

The winds can change so quick. Tucker embarrassed him about January 6th, and now he is no establishment. No good persona non grata. He is frighteningly intelligent, though. Boy, what does it take to scare these people with intelligence? Not much, I don't think. Yeah, it can't be that much. Just I think you have to be on their side of the aisle.

Right. First, sure. OK. That's a prerequisite. And then what? Long division? Sure. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah, you could do long division. Five, five numbers or more than you've got it. This clip might not be all that meaningful, but Alex has some words about the Democrats, and I thought this was bizarre, especially considering on our last episode, we looked at 2003 episode where Alex was scolding someone for saying damn.

Yeah, you know, I don't even I can't even think of any Democrats that really look like Americans nowadays. I'm absolutely appalled that anybody would look like that's it. That's it. I mean, the Democrat leadership and their constituents now more and more literally hate America and have a death score to settle and want to mount our head on the wall like a trophy when this country and our forebears gave these spoiled ass bitches everything they got. Whoa, weird. Yeah, very out of left field.

Yeah. But yeah, I guess it's fine now. Yeah, I mean, it doesn't have the ring of wet ass pussy, but I think you could still make a pretty good song out of it. Twelve years later, this show is no longer required viewing for home schoolers apparently. No, no, no. Because it's totally fine to just let foul language fly.

I guess they found out they went back through their demographics and they're like zero homeschoolers. Wow. Why have we been doing the Muppet Baby's version of this? Hey, Alex, let it fly. Yeah, man. So we have one last clip, honestly, because as Ted Nugent talked more, I lost my interest in what was going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And even though David Knight is going to be sheriffing the Joe Biggs conversation and a re-airing of the Trump interview. Of course, you got it. I felt like maybe I'm going to give that a pass. Yeah. So this is where I lost all patience whatsoever for this. I would love to see you run for president, but I think it's a little late. This cycle.

Who do you think a Ted Cruz or a Donald Trump should have for vice president? And if they ask you to run for vice president or maybe the head of the Interior Department, that'd be perfect for you. Would you be part of the government if folks wanted to get you involved? Because I know a lot of Americans that want to see you involved in the Department of Interior, so they're not harassing hunters and homesteaders and others. Well, thank you for that endorsement. I appreciate that.

As you probably witnessed on my Facebook with tens of millions, we hover between 10 and 34 million Facebookers. And as we get way up there in the millions, it's in the 90 percentile that are asking me to run for president. That's an indicator that things are really, really bad because the author of Wango Tango probably shouldn't be considered per the presidency. But here's what I was driving back from Dallas two weeks ago, big old billboard at somebody's ranch saying Ted, new, different president saw one

in Arkansas six months ago, buddy. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. Also, I would say that in terms of like songs that are disqualifying, uh, Ted from running for office, Wango Tango is low on that list. Yeah, there's a number of other ones about wanting to fuck children that I think maybe, uh, are much more of a problem. Yeah.

Well, I mean, that's one of the things that I think keeps Ted out of, uh, maybe consideration for public office, the way he'd be eviscerated by anybody he was running against. Hmm. I don't know, man. I don't know anymore. Yeah. I don't know.

Herschel Walker is going to be a senator. Who fucking knows? None of it matters. They're all insane. Everything's over. Climate change is here today. Everyone's going down. It's all done, man.

I'm basing this on a 2015 mentality. Exactly. There we go. That's how I save my comments. Um, yeah, there's more that goes on in the department of the interior, though, that, uh, then just, uh, hey, get off Hunter. I really don't think that they have any clue what the department of the interior

does other than be like, I think that's what the name is on the license. Right. It's about the inside. Hmm. It's about your soul. It's about the grounds, the department of the interior of your heart. Right. Right.

Right. Um, so yeah, this, uh, I mean, look, I think that there is a world, uh, in an argument to be made that this, uh, interview really isn't as consequential as a lot of people build it up to be. Right. Right. There is, um, definitely the fact that it happened is of note. Uh, the stuff that goes on in it isn't, uh, like it's not necessarily things.

Trump didn't say other places. Right. He said, bomb the oil fields in other contexts. He talked shit about all kinds of stuff in other contexts. It's not like, uh, revelatory on that level. But from our perspective, looking at Alex Jones, certainly it's very clear what his agenda is, uh, in the interview, it's very clear that he's trying to make sure that Trump is actually doing this and actually going to run because it

would be kind of dopish for him to, uh, like throw his weight behind this person and then, uh, them back out and Hillary ends up winning. Yeah. I mean, like, you know, there, but I guess that's kind of like what he ended up doing with Ron Paul over and over again. I didn't really, I wasn't really too like, uh, uh, aware during the whole Ross Perot run, obviously, cause I was very young. Um, but like looking back, the idea of being a Ross Perot supporter and then

he drops out of the race and you're like, shit, I was a Ross Perot supporter. And then he just suddenly reappears and he's like, I'm back in it, baby. That is, that's the most disqualifying thing. I can think of, right? Just suddenly somebody popping up again. I feel bad for Ross Perot in some ways, uh, in as much as like, I think anybody who tries to think about Ross Perot can just think about the impression. Can't do anything about it.

Yeah. Can't do it. It's somebody who's like entire legacy or memory and most of the public eye is an impression of him. Yeah. There's, there's, there is the, the church lady and then there's Ross Perot. And those are the two things that Dana Carvey has ruined forever. How dare you?

What about turtles? Turtle turtles will be fine. Turtles that live longer than Dana Carvey and they'll be gone long after Dana Carvey's gone. Or I mean, yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so, uh, we come to the end of this and, uh, we have now covered Trump's

appearance on it. Check that off the list. Done. Um, and yeah, we'll see how long this vacation goes. Uh, but, uh, we have, uh, probably some stuff for next week, uh, in the hopper. So like, uh, one way or another will be fine. But, uh, if he doesn't come back soon, holy shit, are we going to do a Harrison Smith podcast?

Oh, no, absolutely not. Maybe. No, we're going to stay in the past. Never coming back to this present. What if we try and find out what Harrison Smith was up to in 2003? What if we try and find out? When he was in middle school or something. Elementary, probably.

I think we should try and find out what David Knight was up to in 1982. Okay. That seems like a more interesting question for me. Was David Knight some young hotshot somewhere? That's kind of what I want to, did David Knight bring the heat when he was a younger man? I doubt it. I mean, he won a contest to work at Info Wars.

So I don't think so. It wasn't a heat-breaking contest, that's for sure. I think he was just a curmudgeonly young libertarian. That's my guess. Oh, that's, that's going to be disappointing. Well, we'll never know. No, that's true. Anyway, we'll be back, Jordan, but until then we have a website.

We do. It's KnowledgeFight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's add knowledge underscore fight. Yep. We'll be back.

But until then, I'm Nio. I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. I have a sublet in my mind going cheap. You have your own bathroom. I'm lying. You don't have your own bathroom. Share a bathroom, but you have your own bedroom out. There's no door, though.

It's just those beaded doorway. Sure, sure. Well, that's not too bad. Stylistic choice. That's not too bad. Anyway. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. So, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.