Knowledge Fight - #742: Formulaic Objections Part 9

Episode Date: October 31, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan begin their coverage of Alex's depositions in the Connecticut case.  In this installment, Alex makes some wild accusations, seems to forget almost everything, and gets caught in a bit of a trap about Dan Bidondi.

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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around, feed from the bottom. Where's about the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Jordan. Jordan.

Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today, Jordan, is I was doing laundry and I walked past an apartment on the way to the laundry room and I got that smell of weed. Ah, yes. Yeah. I immediately said yum, yum, yum. The indoor weed smell.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't smoke weed anymore. Absolutely not doors. But I have in my day and there is still a fondness that I have for the smell of weed when I hear, when I feel, when I hear or feel or smell. Yes. Yeah.

When I hear the smell of weed in the air, it wafts a little bit heavier. When I hear the feeling of the smell. And it made me think of those days back when I was living in apartments. And like, you just come up with these like, all right, here's how I'm going to get away with smoking weed secret. Totally. Because it's illegal and the neighbor is going to call the police on me. Yep.

And then you'd have those like toilet paper tubes with fabric softener sheets. Yep. Yep. You just blow the weed through and like, I'm totally cool, man. That is. It just smells like laundry in here. That was the worst idea anybody's ever had. Yep.

Yeah. Yeah. That's good. You know, that's weird. You know, I have all the times that I've smoked indoors, cigarettes indoors, you know, like the stink of that gets inside the walls. Yeah. That kind of thing.

Yeah. And the stink with weed smoke, I do remember fun. It still gets inside the walls, but it's like a weird fun house version of inside the wall. The flip side of that though, is if you spill bong water on a rug. That's an issue. Yeah. That's got to, that's a problem needs to be solved with fire.

That's right. That's right. Just kind of wistful for those, those old days. I don't recognize that. What about you? What's your bright spot? My bright spot, Deion, is that the world series. They're playing it.

Yes, they are happening. I understand the Phillies are playing. Yeah. It's the Phillies versus the Astros. The Stroze. Yeah. Yeah. The Astros.

Yeah. Astros, cheaters, liars. That's what I hear. Been in the world series and all that stuff. Playoffs. Boo. Sure. Boo.

The one recently, right? Yeah. Oh, they've won, what, two out of the past six years? Oh, geez. Maybe three. More than I thought. Yeah. They won a lot.

Good for them. No, not good for them. Cheaters, liars. Cheaters and liars, man. Okay. But very exciting still baseball. Yeah, it's great. My favorite player is on the Phillies.

No, Kyle Schwarber. Schwarber noted Cubs hero from the 2016 world series. Sure. But you talk about show he Otani all the time. Well, yes, but show he Otani is like a God can't be your hero. You know, like your hero is a killing needs to be a human. You know, yeah, exactly. It can't be.

It can't be Zeus. Nobody's like, Oh, Zeus is the great. Mortality is required for idolizing. Indeed. And Schwarber is my favorite kind of baseball player. It's the kind of guy that only exists in baseball. You know, somebody's baseball player. No, no, no.

Somebody who's very big, mostly uncoordinated, but hits balls far. It is that kind of guy. It can't run very fast. Those people who are like the D8. Yeah, absolutely. But God damn it. If he's a big dude who hits balls far. Right.

I'm thinking of like a big, big poppy or tease. That is a little bit different. Yeah. Big poppy was a good hitter. He was a big dude, but he was also a good hitter. Yeah. I'm talking more about your Adam Dunn type. So guy who's like six foot five.

He swings a beautiful bat and he's going to miss it. 99% of the time when it hits a hit. Oh, it's gone, baby. Sort of like one of those people who's like not a great boxer. But if they hit you, if they hit you, you're dead. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. He's got one punch and if it connects, you're in the stratosphere, but otherwise you've won.

Yeah. It's that kind of thing. That is a fun sort of athlete because it is like the tension is, is like always high. Yeah. This could be over in a second. Absolutely. It's a baseball has those guys, you know,

like another subset of that guy is the big fat guy who can throw hard. Right. You know, he's left-handed pitcher. He's huge. Can't run for shit. But God damn it. He throws 95.

What are you going to do? Put him on the mound. Magic arm. Yeah. Put him on the mound. I have an affinity for the Phillies for no reason. Actually, it's my old roommate. It was a big ace from Philly.

Ah, yes. And you talk about it quite a bit. Right. Right. And yeah, I had some good times watching Sixers games with him and Philly Phillies games. Watching sports with Philly's fan is a lot of fun as long as they're winning.

Yes. Yes. They're more of a sad when they lose than angry. Oh, that's good. So that made the living situation a little bit more palatable. Yeah. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. As we know, Alex has been on a permanent Roman holiday vacation.

Indeed. For a bit. And so at this point, as we come into the week, we still don't know what to do. Thankfully, we have depositions. Yay. So I had kind of thought maybe we would wait a little bit longer to do this, but hey, the occasion is here.

The space needs to be filled and people enjoy it to hell. Inexplicably. So in the Connecticut case, Alex had four days of depositions. So we have that to cover. And that is impossible to do in the context of one episode. So today we'll be talking about day one of Alex's deposition in the Connecticut case. I should say just to give some clarity for this, this is the

deposition that he did after faking a illness to not go to Connecticut to sit for the deposition. Right. Dr. Marbles gave him that weird diagnosis. And then it turned out he had to sign this blockage. Well, you know, he had a little stuffy nose. I think if I were, I think if I were. I think if I were devising a hell for Alex, it would be like

waking up on Monday and being told you're going to do four days of depositions and then waking up the next Monday and being told you're going to do for forever and ever and ever, you know, like never ending. Let me be straight about something. Yeah. These are not for straight days of deposition disappointing. I wanted to never read because I believe in the second day of

deposition, they talk about how they had to reschedule because Alex wanted to go to Hawaii with his wife. Okay. And he's wearing a shirt from a luxury resort. I mean, listen, I can't, I can't let go from making a murderer interrogation to this shit. You know, like that's not okay. Another thing I should point out is that there, there's a couple

of things that will become abundantly clear as we go through this. And one is that Alex hasn't learned anything from any of these deposition experiences he's had. That sounds right. He's still evading and answering questions in ways that are like, well, maybe that made sense in the first deposition. Right.

Right. You have since been asked this question and told the answer. Right. So you can't really say I don't know. The time has passed. It's a little silly. Yeah. And then the other thing is that Alex hates Chris Maddie.

It's very clear. I don't think that it would be fair to say that he liked Mark, but he very seriously hates Chris Maddie. I'm not sure why they clearly say that they have not met before. I'm not sure. But Alex is fucking mad at him. Yeah. I could see that.

I could see that. I think Mark has something that Alex begrudgingly is like, ah, in another world, you know, that Perry Mason moment thing, you know, like in another world, I could see me and you being friends, that kind of thing. Sort of like Owen's game recognized game. Yes. Yes.

Absolutely. Yeah. It could be. It's more that I had to guess. I would guess that it's that Chris Maddie is much more of what appears to be a normal lawyer. Right. Than Mark.

Right. Mark has a kind of roguish vibe to him. Yeah. Whereas Maddie is a suit tie lawyer. Right. And maybe Alex really hates that because he's sitting next to Norm. Like, here's how I put it.

Okay. So Maddie and Mark, both lawyers now. All right. We go into a Mad Max scenario. Mark might still be a lawyer in that scenario. I think Maddie is not going to be a lawyer. Who knows? He's in the front of the truck, you know.

And I accidentally touched on another dynamic here and that is that Norm is there. Yeah. That's unfortunate. Boy, there are a couple of points where Norm seems to just want to have fun. And it's great. It's inappropriate.

Good work. Anyway, we will get down to business on this in just a moment. But first, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, I made a dreamy creamy in my pants. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, listening to Knowledge Fight has accidentally trained my dog's peanut pumpkin and pickle to growl and bark whenever Alex starts yelling. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. That is actually why we started the podcast. It'll help for future break-ins. If Alex breaks into your place. When the judgements come down and Alex resorts to crime. Yes, absolutely. Next, he puts his hands in his pockets, wears sunglasses and is cool.

Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. That famously, of course, is my description of Orange Cassidy's character, pro wrestler, Orange Cassidy. Gotcha. That was the extent to which I understood him when I went on Marty

and Sarah love wrestling. Gotcha. I was wondering whether that was going to, yeah. And we got some technocrats in the mix too, Jordan. So first, partner patches CPA. Thank you so much. You are now technocrat. Partner patches.

I'm dependent on your son. All right. To put a family through. Oh boy. Oh boy. Next, Mrs. Jones is a tennis partner. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat and Russell from Kansas.

Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomight sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. So Jordan, the beginning of this deposition is, of course, some of the formalities and such and their bits cut out.

And that's like his, his address and these kinds of things. Discussing how he sold his house. Right. And what have you. And so we're not going to deal with any of that just because there isn't anything really to discuss. Yeah. He has a house.

Yeah. Um, the first clip we're going to have here is, uh, I thought, I found this to be a little bit of a non sequitur, but it also sets a bit of a tone. Um, and that is that like almost every question is probably going to be a trap. Alex. Right.

Right. Just know that ahead of time. Gotcha. Do you have a photographic memory? Uh, no, I used to have a good memory. Not anymore. Have you ever told anybody that you have a photographic memory? Uh, I've, and in the past I did, uh, have a very, very good memory.

If I try to commit something to it, I could remember it really well, but, uh, it has been like that for about 10 years or so. My question though is whether you've ever told anybody that you have a photographic memory. I think I've been hyperbole described myself as having it, but I wouldn't say it was a hundred percent. You did that when you appeared on the Joe Rogan experience podcast. You told him and his millions of audience members that you had

a photographic memory. Correct. I don't remember that particularly. Okay. So you don't have a photographic memory of that? I don't. All right. Damn.

All right. Okay. That's why that's all right. I'm, I'm already kind of, I get where he's coming from. Hey, Chris Betty. All right. I'm a shit talker too. If, if a lawyer came to me with every time I talk shit,

I'd be like, all right. Well, come on, man. Minute one. First of all, there's the dunk of you don't have a photographic memory of that. Yeah. Yeah. Solid.

It's got to not feel great. Yeah. And then secondarily, what you have is a attempt to be like, ah, you have a really good memory. You said this thing because it helps deflect from the copious amount of times. Alex is going to say, oh, I don't remember that. Yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. And it sets the stage. Well, because we're going to hear that a lot. What number of deposition is this total about all day? No, no. All right. I mean, like where, where within the, the zone of depositions are we?

This isn't his first deposition. No. This isn't his last deposition. Well, I think it's his first deposition in the Connecticut case. Okay. All right. Gotcha. Because he was saying that he and Maddie haven't met before.

Right. Right. So I think it's the first in terms of that, but he's, it's definitely after the Texas one. Sure. Sure. I mean, it's after the one that I was at, right in Texas. Gotcha.

I mean, he's opposed at least a couple of times in the Texas one. All right. So he should be fairly good at this by now. You'd think that stage. If he was someone who liked to learn. Right. If he was committed to lifelong learning. Right.

He would do much better. Ooh. So it turns out that Alex did not come alone to Connecticut. There are people in tow, but he doesn't know who they are. I understand that you arrived at our building today with somebody who was operating a digital camera device. Is that right? Um, you made a phone.

Well, where did you arrive at our building with somebody who's filming you? Yes. I'm with the phone. Yes. Who's that? Um, that's just one of the crew members. What's his name?

Um, he's a new guy. I forget his name. It's a Reese something. Ouch. He wanted to call him. He traveled with you from Texas. Yes. For the purpose of filming you.

Just documenting and being, you know, just documenting in case anything happened. Yeah. Okay. Um, and do you intend to publish the footage that he shoots on one of your broadcasts after this deposition? I don't know. Okay.

Probably not. But you want to be prepared to do that? Yes. Okay. Uh, and part of the reason you want to be prepared to do that is because you've been raising money from your audience. Um, and you advise them that you need their funds to help finance your litigation, correct?

Yes. So you got to think that's not a compliment that, uh, uh, this person that I've flown up to Connecticut with, I don't know their names. Yeah. I barely know who they are. It's a tampoos. Fuck that guy.

It's not like he, they flew in completely different parts of the plane. Right. It's not, yeah. I don't think this is true. Yeah. I'm going to guess that Alex is being just, uh, evasive for the sake of it.

Right. Um, like it's not like it's some kind of a like, uh, uh, like, a damning secret who this person is. I, I suppose. I don't think it is. What could it be? It's not like his cameraman is David Duke or something. Boy.

But it's, it's, it's, it's a weird thing to be evasive about. Yeah. Who is this person who you have as your camera person? Uh, Ethan Hunt. And they were wearing a mask. He's on a super secret mission. Okay. Uh, he's got to stop, uh, something else going completely unrelated,

but because Alex is his contact through the knowing, the hating, the globalists, right? He's posing as Alex a completely unrelated thing. That could be just a coincidence. Um, I think that maybe it's a sign that, uh, anybody who has a seniority at info wars can't take any time off because they need them back at the, uh, the mother ship, as Alex says, that's fair. Um, or I don't know.

It's just weird. Or it just doesn't remember Buckley's name anymore. No, Buckley's not going to do something like this anymore. I don't think. Um, so this, I believe is a very important early exchange that it goes on. You do tax people, don't you? Yes. Okay.

I mean, you know that we have certain text messages that you've sent, correct? Yeah. I mean, we turned them all over to you guys and you said we didn't need to fall to this because you don't want us to be able to put on evidence in front of a jury. Mr. Jones, when do you think was the first text message you produced to us?

Uh, and Chris, you his side of the aisle in the V. I mean, counsel. Well, you said we. So who did you mean by we, Mr. Jones? Well, I mean, I know. Just answer my question. Who did you mean by we? I'm confused.

Can you go back? Yeah. You said we gave you everything. Who's we? I instructed in, in, in these cases to just turn over whatever it is people said, turn over, you know, it's been a fiasco. Hundreds of thousands of emails, documents, all sorts of crap. People searching my phone all the time.

And it's just, there's, and it's, it's, and then it's the contentions. I remember was like stuff from years ago because text messages don't update. People wanting stuff that doesn't exist when I'm not a big tech guy. And I'm so I don't, uh, I don't understand how all that stuff works. Uh, and I don't know why some people's text messages stay different, different services. They're different, uh, used to, they would disappear in a couple weeks. Now they go back.

You're usually a while. So you're asking me and it's really a technology issue. It's the same things happen. For sure. For sure. Why does one person have text messages on their phone, but you don't have them. And I don't, I don't understand. Anybody that has cell phones knows that they're different ones at different

things and there's different things going on. And I don't understand it all. But, but, but as in the case with the emails, we should have just for cost of money been getting rid of them, but we had them going back 15 years, million, tens of millions of you guys were able to get those. So if anything, we have, uh, really no policy at all on data retention. It's just, it's just retained unless you know, so things like text messages sometimes don't get saved.

No, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Mr. Jones. You have any knowledge of whether any text message of yours has ever been produced by you or free speech systems to us? Do you have any knowledge of that? I believe they have. You believe that they have. Wait, do you have any knowledge of that?

I don't have any documents in front of me. Right. I didn't ask you with any documents in front of you. I don't have any knowledge. Okay. You don't have any knowledge of that. So I think this is really critical because a key here is kind of putting aside Alex's bullshit talking points, namely that he complied fully with discovery and that he was defaulted unfairly by just keeping on target.

Maddie is able to get Alex to concede that he has absolutely no idea what text messages were actually turned over to the plaintiff's lawyers. Alex's pronouncements about how much he cooperated are matters of certainty when he's rambling on his show or when he's grandstanding at a disgraceful press conference outside the courtroom, but when he's actually forced to answer yes or no if he has any idea what he actually did for discovery, he doesn't know anything. This is Alex's answer because it's less of a problem than him saying that he intentionally withheld things, which seems like a far more likely situation to me at this point. Yeah. So yeah, it's good because, you know, you have that dodge of we turned over everything.

Sure. What do you know about what you turned up? Well, I believe I said this like you don't know anything. Right. You're just making broad pronouncements about shit. If you if you did not intentionally withhold things, then your explanation for why they don't have text messages is not the power of magic can compel phones to do any number of different things. And I think a responsible party would be able to say I looked over my stuff and on X, Y or Z date, I informed my lawyers of this. I turned it over to them on this day because then you could start the ball rolling and be like,

and where did the breakdown happen? Did your lawyers not turn over stuff to us that you turned over to them? Right. There's too many open questions in the I believe all this stuff happened. And I think that's kind of intentional. I think I think quite simply one of the easiest ways to believe anything somebody says about their text messages is if there's a text message saying I texted you all of my text messages of some sort, or I have given you all of this information that would be sent via text. Some people's phones don't keep that stuff. The stuff where they text you about the text.

Yeah. Yeah. T-Mobile has a policy of the race of those texts. That's a good policy. I like that. So now we get to what is maybe the the classic beginning of a deposition question, which is what did you do to prepare for that? Oh God. What did you do to prepare for your deposition today?

I mean, really, not much. I don't eat or drink and sleep. Sandy looked like you guys there. Do you know what I eat, sleep and drink, sir? You don't. I mean, you don't care about Marilyn Albright killing half million kids. You think you want to just fill in ice me because I'm a conservative. And I know what it's all political.

And I and Danny took up a 10 years ago and I literally, you know, remember some of the big contentions, people questioning and covering it. And then you're saying, how do I prepare? I have no idea what you're going to ask me in here. Well, you have an idea because you've been deposed three times in Texas, don't you? I mean, that's totally, if you can describe, Bankston is deposing somebody. I guess. Whatever. I mean, it's just bizarre.

All of this. Whatever, right? Mr. Jones. I mean, whatever. Section to form mischaracterizes a testimony. He tough. All right, we're off to a good start. I do wonder what Alex is like.

It's pointless argumentativeness that he's engaging in. But I wonder if there's an expectation or a hope that he'll say this. And then the lawyer will be like, you know what? Fucking right. Let's go get Madeleine Albright. She just died not too long ago, but let's fucking sue her first and then take care of you. I mean, yeah. What is, or like, is it, is he hoping somebody like, you know what?

You're right. Madeleine Albright is a bigger problem. And therefore this litigation is over. Right. But like, what's the best case scenario for bringing up Madeleine Albright in this conversation? Is it, is it more like he's like, Hey, you know what? We're not talking about Madeleine Albright right now. We're talking about you.

And then he can be like, haha, I see that it's all political. Yeah, it's not about Madeleine Albright with you. That's it. You know, I think what it is, is that Alex's mind works so much just on the basis of deflection. Yeah. Everything just comes down to like, every question is answered with a, this thing is this other thing. And, you know, I just, I don't think he can stop himself.

I think it's just ingrained behavior and how he gets out of hard questions in his day to day life. Yeah. And it kind of works when there's no follow up questions and when you're monologuing. Yeah. Because it doesn't really work in a deposition. No, I mean, you know, it does, it reminds me of like, you know, not to bring up the, it's not about the divorce, but in the divorce trial where the lawyer is arguing like on

the show, he's one thing and then off the show, he's another. But the more we hear him in depositions where he has to not be on the show or in court when he has to not be on the show, he's on the show, man. Yeah. I don't know if he's ever not on. Well, I think that there's another thing going on here. And that is that by this point, Alex has had these Texas depositions. The videos of them have been released on, on YouTube.

Right. And so there's a part of it that he may think like, I'm kind of performing here. That's fair. You know, I, and I don't know. I don't know how the extent to which that would change his behavior. That's true. It's possible that dynamics there. Yeah.

We really will have to like straight up Truman show him in order to observe him in his natural habit. We have to get rid of all the confounding variables. 100%. We have to put him in an ant farm of some sort. Yeah. In order to study his behavior. Yeah.

So like I said, this was the makeup deposition for the one that Alex canceled on. And this comes up a little. And you feel well today? I feel pretty good. Your head is clear. I mean, I had a sinus infection and stuff, but I'm almost over it. I heard about that. Yeah.

Is that sinus blockage clear up? Well, it was, it was very real. I went to the other three depositions to leave me. I knew I was going to have to come up here about sick last week, but I thought it could have been something else. I had a bunch of tests done and then figured out it was a really bad sinus infection. But I think the day after you found out it was a sinus blockage. You said to your audience that you feel like a new person, right?

Yeah. Cause I got on steroids and, and then I was on the blockage. If you watch the show, you know, that's what I talked about. So you feel good today? I mean, I'm still, I get really bad allergies and it's, and I'm, but I'm on clearing in a D and feel pretty good. We should a little bit jittery, but I'm all right. Yeah.

It's very strange because he's trying to pretend that he's still recovering from this, whatever. I guess. He presents him with the, you said you were a new person the next day. We're fully over it. Sure. Well, you know, I got allergies shifting it a little bit. It's a, it's a very bizarre need to justify his pretending that he wasn't over whatever

he bailed. Yeah. Prior for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I would want to, I mean, at that point I would be like, Alex, how can I ask you a question that you'll answer?

Maybe you should, you write up a question that you can answer and I'll kind of see what the vibe on it is. We're going to go through hours of content here and that question is not answered. How can I ask you a question you'll answer? Okay. But there's also an element to this that I think that I don't understand why Alex doesn't just say like fucking ask your questions. You know, like there's, he stands to lose very little by just being all business.

Yeah. He's already in the soup up to his thorax. Yeah. And, you know, he's not going to bail himself out. There's not going to be like some escape hatch he's going to find by saying just the right evasive thing. Right. Right.

Right. It would just serve everyone's purposes better if you're just like, all right, let's do this. Right. Right. And even if you have to be kind of a blunt dick in order to do that, it's your images is already shot. Yeah. Yeah.

Just be an asshole. We're, we're all kind of watching Alex in the bottom of an hourglass as it fills with sand and he's like struggling to get out and he thinks he's going to get out. And as we all watch, we're like, that's, the sand's just going to cover your neck, man. You're gone. You're done for. No. You might as well relax and join infinity like Toy Story three.

So the question comes up of whether or not Alex will appear in court. And I got to say, I kind of agree with him on, on this one in that he says, if I don't have to, I don't, I don't want to be there. That's a really good point. And then, you know, it just rambles the testimony that you give in this case could be presented to a jury. Do you understand that? Yes.

And that jury is going to be sitting in Waterbury, Connecticut. Do you understand that? Yes. All right. And the trial in this matter is currently scheduled for September. Do you know that? Yes. Do you plan to appear for that trial?

I mean, I need to be, I will. Okay. Well, you're a defendant in the case. Right. Well, I mean, I believe it's rigged. And so, I mean, you guys are going to rig your deal. It's like your, You think the jury's rigged?

Injection. He's not finished with this. Injection. I mean, since when is somebody guilty and then a jury decides how guilty? And, and, and then even in Texas, they're pushing where we came and like defend ourselves. So, I mean, if you guys think that's America and you guys have got all these big ideas and stuff and, you know, just, just, just to me, I've had family with cancer and people die and really bad stuff in my life.

So this is nothing. This is just a bunch of politicians and lawyers that want to make money and become famous off of dead kids while claiming I'm the one that got famous off of Sandy Hook when it's completely opposite. All Sandy Hook's done is hurt me from the first time I questioned it. Move to strike is not responsive. Jones, do you plan to appear to testify in front of the jury in September? If, if, if I need to be there, I will be there.

Yes. You prefer not to be there. Um, Jackson, of course, I would prefer not to be there. All right. That, that's a, that's a great honest answer. That's the most honest answer. I mean, even, yeah, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if you fully accepted responsibility for what's happened or not.

Like there's no way you would want to be there. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a monster. I'm a bad person now. Actually. Yes. Alex's presentation should be, yes, I do want to be there.

I want to prove my innocence. Exactly. I want to stand up to these, uh, the, how I'm being wronged in the public. Absolutely. You know, but, uh, on a very human level, of course, I don't want to be there. I mean, even then, even if you're fighting your good name, you know, like on a human level, I don't want to be in a situation where I have to fight for my good name. You know, like I would prefer, I would like to be on a beach somewhere.

That's a, that's a reasonable response. All things being equal, I don't want to be there. Exactly. The situation is what it is. Alex should want to. Absolutely. Um, stand up and prove that he can, uh, look the firing squad in the face. Now that I have no choice, but to be there, then yes, I want to be there.

But of course the case is a setup. Naturally. Except it's not. And so, uh, Maddie decides to, uh, explain to Alex a little bit of why the default happened. And this turns. Ugly. Yeah, I don't know if that was a wise choice. Well, it's good to get it out there.

Fair. Uh, and make sure that Alex understands these things. Can you? No, but there are a couple points in this deposition where I got like really deeply uncomfortable. And this was one of them. I was like, already we are off the rails. Mr. Jones, um, you understand that, uh, you were defaulted by the court here, uh, for among other things, presenting fabricated financial information from your company.

Do you understand that? That's not true though. Okay. But do you understand that's what the court found? Uh, yes. Okay. Do you understand that you were defaulted for refusing to present, to produce to the plaintiff's analytics information about your website performance?

Do you understand that? And that's not true. Do you understand that that's why one of the reasons you were defaulted? I understand that, that, that, that the judge made what I believe to be a fraudulent ruling. Okay. And, um, and that's Judge Bellis, right? Yeah. Judge Bellis is best friends with one of your main partners here, that one.

Yeah. Oh, how'd you find that out? Oh, we're, we know a lot. Oh, you do. Who, which partner? We'll just go ahead. Mr. Jones, which partner is Judge Bellis? When it hits, when it hits the news, which partner of mine is Judge Barbara Bellis best

friends with? I forget. Oh, okay. Mr. Jones, do you, um, can we, can we go to the hall for one moment? No, we may not. We're going to keep going. This, this snide commentary on Mr. Jones remarks, they may not, I'm not looking to pick a fight with you.

Okay. Well, I asked Mr. Jones whether he could support his claim just now that he made, uh, casting an aspersion on the presiding judge and he said that he could not remember all of a sudden. And I said, oh, I said, oh, all right. Well, we're going to go ahead and continue Mr. Jones. So you're, you don't remember, right? Even though you just made an assertion of bias against the presiding judge claiming that she's best friends with a partner in my office.

Well, it's, it's, it's my journalistic privilege, uh, from sources to, to not reveal that. Okay. I didn't, I didn't ask you your source was I asked who the partner was. Well, we're not going to, we're not going to remember that. Um, we're not ready to release that information at this time. Okay. You're a journalist. I do wear journalistic hats also.

I'm a pundit. Oh boy. Oh my God. Yeah. Oh boy. That's, that's kind of fun. Um, because I don't think Alex was expecting that response at all. Nope.

He's used to throwing out these accusations and not like, oh, what do you mean by that? Uh, shit. Oh, oh, I don't want to name a name because then I'm going to end up in a situation where I'm basically accusing, uh, the judge and, uh, one of these lawyers of being in a collusion of sorts. Yeah. Yeah. Um, and that might be a problem.

Alex believes like, does he inherently like almost instinctively just hit the mute button whenever, whenever he's talking and he says something, does he accidentally press his finger on the table just to be like, well, clearly they can't speak. What? I would imagine. I mean, it's, it's, it's outrageous. This, uh, this response. Yeah.

What? Yeah. And Norm's real, real weird there with the, the way you said, oh, it's so good. To what degree is Norm a lawyer? I feel like this is insane that we are all pretending Norm has any understanding of what's going on at any point. I think he does. And I think that there probably is actually a, uh, an objection to be made there.

You know, I think under normal circumstances, uh, maybe snide comments are actually a tone problem. Sure. In this setting, uh, unfortunately you're deposing Alex fucking John. I mean, I would, uh, he's being a, um, a real asshole. There's no, the problem I have is just if I'm a good lawyer, the only thing I keep thinking is I need to make sure Alex says as little as possible. Well, we'll get to that later.

And I need to interrupt him at objection, your honor. My defendant is a piece of shit. Like I would throw that out there. Like fucking watermelons on his face, anything to keep him from talking. Well, Norm does basically tell Alex to shut up. Okay. Well, that's smart. So, but it takes a while to get there.

Well, and it might only be because Alex is about to say something that implicates him. All right. Well, see minus then Norm maybe in self-protection mode, more than Alex protection. Fair enough. Um, but, uh, yeah, that was chaotic. I felt uncomfortable during that, but I'd like the way that Maddie approached that of the, Oh, you're a journalist. There's a nice way of like, we're not landing this plane yet.

You think that you've, you've found this great place where you can stake your, your claim and it's going to be safe for you to say like, I'm not going to give up my source. Yeah. Oh, whoops. It's not a source. Yeah. Oh, I am a journal. Oh, you're a journalist.

Yeah. What about how your, uh, corporate representatives have consistently testified that you are not a journalist in order to avoid the responsibilities that come with it? I wear that hat. Yep. Yep. Sometimes I'm a pundit. So we know that Alex got a loan from his dad to start, uh, his business.

Sure. What we didn't know is some other things that his dad did to help him start his business. Oh no. As it turns out in the early days of Alex's career, he had, uh, his businesses info wars.com, uh, L, LLC, sure. Um, and, uh, prison planet LLC, right under a holding company called Magnolia partners. Uh, and here is a little bit of a discussion of what that was. Okay.

Are the founder and owner of info wars health LLC. Correct. Yes. Info wars LLC. Yes. Prison planet TV LLC. All right. Now those, um, companies were previously held by Magnolia limited partnership.

Correct. Uh, all of them. All of them Chris, including FSS. No, I'm sorry. Just enforce health LLC and force LLC and prison planet TV LLC. I am not a really expert on these and I get these confused. That's why we had the court, the corporate rep come steady at all. And so they would get it exact right.

And so that I would, I would stand on what her testimony was. I'm asking you what your understanding is, is the owner of these companies, whether they were ever held by Magnolia limited partnership. Magnolia limited partnership was a dental company management bank account used to pay employees by my dad. And when I was about 21 or so, it had like $10,000. And he said, Hey, this is good business credit. And you can get yourself starting to sell things online and he's or sell things.

And he said, you can have, you can have this bank account in this company. And that's, that's what that Magnolia limited partnership was. Right. And then you use that as a holding company for the three companies I just mentioned. Correct. I really can't tell it to say because I don't know. I mean, I know, I mean, it's on record. I mean, that's.

So when you think about getting a loan, that's one thing. Right. And that's very helpful. Getting a corporate bank account that has good credit and money and such is an entirely different thing. Like the opportunities that are open to Alex because of his dad bequeathing him this corporate bank account is very, that is a huge privilege that he had a huge step up. Yeah.

As opposed to someone else trying to do the sort of thing that he was doing. A small business loan without collateral is either a loan shark or you're going away with no money. You know, yeah. Yeah. The ability to possibly get items on credit that you would then resell the ability for him to make his films that he would then resell a lower interest rate beyond what can be considered is.

Yeah. The impact of these things are huge. Yeah. And Alex refusing to recognize the ways in which he had shortcuts. Sure. In his early career and how those allowed him to create what he was able to create. I think is a little bit shitty and the awareness of the deepening of that that comes from this just makes his life and his illusions about himself all the sadder.

Yeah. Yeah. The thing about it is I still can't believe the things that so many people have done for me to get. For me to go to college there was a serious number of people who had to step up and do a lot of things to help me out. Even though I absolutely wasted their work destroyed their ambitions for me and sent them you know crying into the bathroom.

I will never not recognize what they've done for me and how that's got here you know like the idea of me you know I would never be like oh I came from nothing and I'm a self made man. But it's yeah it's absurd. I mean like this podcast I guess we built entirely sure we could say yeah but it would be ridiculous to imagine that like that on your side and things that things that I'm lucky enough that my parents have been able to help with totally over the course of my life.

Absolutely. Didn't facilitate and allow us to ever be in the position one hundred where we were even struggling to right build this at the beginning. Yeah. Yeah. Not taking that into account I think is really a way to self mythologize in a way that I think is unhealthy. But there is it also goes both ways you know you're there is a certain part of that that's

also kind of very helpful you know when you are selling your blood you can also say if it weren't for my parents I wouldn't be here now would I be selling my blood exactly so it works both ways. So the issue of Google Analytics comes up and Alex has some interesting answers to whether or not he uses Google Analytics and that is that in under a minute he seems to both use them and not have yeah. Are you familiar with Google Analytics I'm familiar with yes Google Analytics is a program that allows you to track traffic and other activity on your websites correct yes and

that's that data is something that you've consulted throughout your career to learn about your website's performance correct. No you've never. Looked at Google Analytics data during the course of your career I have you and for what purposes to generally see how popular these the site is okay isn't that exactly what you just said no to well I didn't look to see how well the site was doing I look to see how popular the site was amongst people it's very completely different things all right so if I'm not gonna allow it the site so the site is doing well I'd be like oh is there a hundred

thousand people that's a different thing if you want to check if the site's doing well you got to check its blood pressure exactly how many people are smiling very very bizarre yeah so Alex I think realizes that he's in shaky territory here and so as more questions are there about these statistics and watching them he launches into his standard patented rant love it about how you need to bring me the Google sure it makes no sense bring me Google bring it to them I mean it was obviously important to you to know what your website's performance was right Jackson I'm not a traditional corporate media outlet that free package is what they're gonna do and what they're gonna say and then and then and then

tailors it to whatever the corporate bosses say I'd fly by the seat of my pants when it comes to the finances and and analyzing stuff and I've tried to explain this to you guys Google analytics is an interface into Google so when you say it's just the back end regular Google searches the front end so be like if you asked me what you guys did give us the Google analytics it's like saying give me the Google you go in there and it's just like rocket science and the guys Chris Andrews and Tim Friget went to a few meetings with like searchings of an optimization people and stuff I remember because they wanted to be more professional and they wanted to try to figure out ways to like bring in outside advertising and things and so they poked around in there and I would just like

because it's just like I mean it's literally rocket science and that's the truth I did look at Alexis some just to say hey wow look you know we're popular this or that or to see how stories we got linked to we're we're getting on traffic I mean I did so it was very that very simple to see it was it was a kind of a public site that was more geared towards understanding things Google analytics it's like saying give me the phone book forgive me the Library of Congress like well give me the Library of Congress you're like well what do you want the Library of Congress and is that what the emails give us all these emails and we have millions of emails like here they are Mr. Joseph I can I can tell that your focus to some extent on the material that either has

or hasn't been turned over all I'm asking you right now is whether or not you made efforts to understand how your website was performing yes okay okay that's all we needed wow instead of that whole two-minute rant you could have just said yes yeah yep yep my partner has taught elementary school before and that that feeling of like Alex putting I understand that you're on you have some feelings about some things exactly that is not what we're talking about it is so much that I just need a yes or no question answer to this question because it's very simple I know Larissa has caused problems in the past but right now we're talking about you I love the idea to that like uh it going into Google analytics is like rocket science oh man it's kind of ridiculous yeah that

is a question that I have is that I feel like it's very clear from the trial and from these depositions that we've watched that it has been explained to Alex how bad it is for them to know all the Google analytics data right well it has to have been yes I believe so because it's uh especially around the time of uh and I mean it's the primest example the nobody the FBI says no one was killed at Sandy Hook article that Alex put out right the intense spike that came huge from the publication of that article the then the interview with Wolfgang Halbig the next day right like those trends that you see in that Google analytics for Alex to be aware of that and for his dad to have testified that they try to replicate things that worked well of course these things uh don't work

to Alex's uh best interest right so yeah I would assume that somebody um maybe made him aware of the uh optics of that being incredibly bad right right right that's the question that I have is if that was explained to him then there has to have been a there has to have been meetings or something there had to have been a group of them together maybe kind of talking right and I would like to know what else was explained as the line I would imagine maybe a lawyer maybe a norm yeah conversation sure I don't know though I mean like we are speculating well we can never know but that's what I that's what I'd like to you know if I had my druthers of if I could be on the wall in these you know that kind of thing the things like that the uh the evasive evasiveness

and the ambiguity that's so clear about the Google analytics right um and it strikes me the same way as the like uh wishy washyness and refusal to say anything specific about like Dan Baddandi right right right you know that these things should the facts of them as they are be established and you have to accept them you know that looks terrible right you know looking at what Dan Baddandi did uh knowing that you told him to do that and that you probably paid him to do that totally you you know that any right thinking person is going to look at that and be like you paid this man to harass the people in Sandy Hook well yeah so I'm gonna say I did right you you know you can't accept that conclusion and so everything has to be done to um sort of wiggle around it right and

there there were several of those things that came that were very clear as we go through like because they're the company line you know if you see Daria Brittany and Owen and everybody say the same thing then it's kind of clear that it's been disseminated through the group this is our line you know there were a bunch of things though where it's like this could have been the line or they could have just had no idea that this line of questioning was going to show up so I would be interested to know what it was that they were prepared for in that way sure I would be interesting and another thing I think would be interesting is that you can tell if you listen to these uh that there are things that are like a great bulk of things that the answers just I don't

know yeah yeah and then there are other things where there's a rant yes and that is notable to me yeah I don't know what exactly it means but yeah it does give the appearance of that yeah so uh the question comes up of hey buddy uh do you know any shows that do what you do uh oh the especially shows of your size yeah and Alex does come up with Glenn Beck sure at the time they were similar size yeah yeah but the the follow-up of did any show that you can name talk about sandy hook like you did Alex has trouble with that uh-oh at least as of 2012 um I mean there was nobody else in in the American media landscape that was doing what you were doing fair to say she has to form no that's not true okay there who else had an audience of

your size in 2012 that was covering things the way you covered them she has to form Glenn Beck okay um anybody else there were hundreds of popular shows that had substantive audiences anybody anybody else among those shows that had substantive audiences claim that sandy hook was a hoax that you know of um there there were I don't think it was a show as big as mine saying that but but it was definitely a lot of the a lot of people that had radio shows things can you name me one person who had a radio show who claimed that sandy hook was a hoax as you sit here today other than you uh I don't have a computer in front of me but there were I mean there were there were people that questioned it definitely it was a big controversy

and people that covered the controversy garrison keeler was all over it yeah I was gonna say what else do you got there was a there was a radio host in lake wobe gone who was really on the cutting edge of this stuff listen listen I know I know it sounds weird but there was a Detroit Tigers broadcast that was strangely enough all about sandy hook for a while uh this is going to uh really uh be shocking but fresh air was largely about sandy hook being a hoax for about six months that'll happen that'll happen fresh air is a little bit weird like that you know they have seasons all things considered do they consider all things uh I think they do it's in the name if they did consider all things that they would have considered this so I think it's a tautology

logically I think we can conclude that they also spent the same amount of time on it as I did yeah so there's a discussion about the second amendment of course because always um and uh there's uh the expectation that you talk about the importance of the second amendment defensively that's what alex is bringing up right defensive sure uh and maddie gives a couple of points of like yeah but eventually you're gonna need to fight this oppressive government right the idea is eventually you're gonna need to use those guns in an offensive manner right you know there's going to be that the gun is for shooting and alex eventually has to give it to be like yeah all right we're gonna have to fight you and that's weird as part of this resistance to the the global new world order

you'd agree with me that your view is that an armed populist populist may be necessary to fight them off correct yes if if we get invaded during an economic collapse by united nations forces and they're confiscating our guns and putting us in their uh in the in the camps um then people do have a right to duty to protect themselves and their family and that's what the second amendment is enshrined for it's also the first amendment is enshrined what able to speak up so we don't ever have to use the second amendment on on a wide scale because there's nothing that these globalists won't do right to achieve global domination right there's not much they won't do i mean one of the things that you've accused them of doing is manufacturing the covid crisis

as a way to depopulate correct 100 it was uh cooked up by a consortium of globalist hundred per cent derdazik bill gates and of course fouchy and and developed at the north carolina chapel hill facility then moved to 2015 to woe hind uh when we have all the documents where they had to develop all the documents covered now into an aerosolized uh weapon okay of course of course uh yes yeah naturally naturally yes i love that response to him saying these things because they it's just it rolls off my back like water on a duck you know the the i've got all the documents the the response of you've got all the documents like it's so funny because you just expect like the uh could you produce them yeah the answers of course of course i'll do it i'll give it to

you tomorrow yeah yeah yeah right uh right along when i give you that bloomberg email um so yeah that's fun i i do appreciate the idea i'd never i did it not occurred to me before that the first amendment was there to keep the second amendment from being used well see that makes sense well the second amendment is unfortunate you know you you need it but it is a method of last resort there's a certain logic to it there is you know like listen it's okay to talk right but when the talking's done you got to do the shooting first amendment's talking second amendment shooting well here is the reality the pen is miter than the sword right but the gun more powerful than the lot more powerful than the sword and the pen put it together yeah um so yeah or a yeah tongue

sword pen yeah i got the tongue and the pen mixed up but it's all speech it's there you know what i'm talking about it's there all right i got the documents second amendment so you can see there too something that i believe is a thread of questioning that goes on through this and that is that the globalists will do anything they will do anything and so maddy does line up a list of like these things that alex has called false flags you know oklahoma city columbine uh all this and i think part of it is to make it like why would it be any more extreme for them to do sandy hook yeah in your mind right yeah they would do anything it's not really that outside your ideas yeah at all um it's almost a weird sense of like normalizing it within his ideology right

because i think he would be adverse to be like well i wouldn't say that they do this or something sure like no this is right on par with everything that you say right right right it's priming him to be more receptive to just being like yeah well and defending his own world view sure you know i think i think that there's a piece of that whether it's intentional or not interesting um but yeah he goes through a number of these shootings and terrorist false flags that alex has covered and uh one of them stuck out to me then in 2011 you claimed that the shooting of congresswoman gabby giffords which took the lives of six people and 13 others was a staged operation correct he was mentally ill and i believe may have been under mind control well

what you said was it was a staged operation correct in context i think i remember saying that yeah um and and who is it that you said was under mind control of the individual that did the shooting do you remember his name i don't remember um he was an audience member of yours was he not um i don't know that yeah so there's uh there's a couple things here first is that um you know alex has these grandiose ideas about like oh this was a mind control person you don't even remember their fucking name yeah you don't care about this at all you just have like a little bit of a uh detail that you remember like oh that's what that's what uh we can say about this right if you actually thought this person was like a mind control subject who tried to kill gabby

giffords and killed a bunch of other people i think it would be maybe a more important data point you know in the cosmology of your ideas i'm gonna throw this up if you could prove to me that somebody had been mind controlled into attempting to assassinate a political figure that would be the only thing i'm interested in moving forward we got to figure out this mind control shit because i can't trust what anyone is saying to me anymore imagine imagine if alex dedicated himself to proving anything as opposed to just deciding everything is proven yeah yeah if you could prove mind control i am on your team because fuck if i know what i believe is true anymore everybody's mind controlled if mind control is possible yeah well i mean then

you get into the whole like well if a simulation is possible then i think you're fine you know what mind control is off the table then i'm fine i don't care so this gabby giffords shooting is part of a line of like you know columbine all of these shootings um and the intention behind this is to demonstrate to alex that there is a pattern that is very clear and that is the day of these things you say they're fake right that is what you do your audience expects it right it is just how this works right um and so we get to the aurora shooting and uh alex tries to play dumb on that one and then in july 2012 we had the aurora movie theater shooting correct you know that and there on that very day on the day of the shooting you again said there's a hundred percent chance that

it was a false flag correct i believe that was a few days later when it was in the local newspaper that he told people in the jail the guards that he was under mind control are you denying that on the day of the shooting itself you said there was a hundred percent chance it was a false flag i may have said that okay you know you said that don't you i know i don't know that i said that i don't have it from me okay why don't we show um exhibit 102a that's gotta be a nightmare yeah i i just don't i'm trying to play fast and loose here and when i hear well let's play this clip it's like wow all right now i'm gonna watch myself say the thing i was trying to be a little bit uh cagey about the the idea of being in a deposition and saying i believe

something happened to the lawyer who you know knows the answer to every question he's not asking questions for information man see alex is he's operating just asking questions he's operating on the assumption of like all right this lawyer knows the answer to 99 of the questions and they only want me to answer that one percent because that'll really screw me over so if i just pretend to not know anything that's how i'm gonna get around it i don't know maybe that's the thing thought process but it's it's a little bit so they play the clip of alex saying that uh and this is awesome this is a great attempt on alex's part to weasel away okay you see that dated there july 20th 2012 did you see that where is that at the beginning of the video

where it said info was live yes that was the day of the shooting you know that um i i i thank you for refreshing my memory okay um you said all right 100 chance false flag right yeah i think that's a play on words chance what you see it was eloquent word play i don't know if the quiver of arrows can be more empty if alex has resulted residing to himself to word games yeah like ah what if i play with language at you lawyer you see it was a pun that's not gonna work man oh boy it's great though that's that's fantastic you do see like one of the things that i really enjoy about these depositions is that like that's unnecessary yeah alex grasping at straws for no reason no reason at all no no it is it is all too

often like the kids say the darkest things whatever you're like why why would you say that you child well it's so easy for alex just admit that he said that because there's a video of it yep and then if i ask the tv and then if i ask why say i don't know or that was my belief at the time totally or whatever you don't need to say like a word game no that's bananas you're not going to get out of this also i think it's reasonable if you didn't remember that you said that on the day you say a bunch of bullshit every day you don't care what you say of course you don't remember you said it on that day but when he says did you say it on the day just be like yeah probably that's about right yeah if you asked me i totally did yeah yeah so we get to sandy hook and of course the pattern

has been established through this line of questions that the day of these tragedies you deny them right that's what you do your audience knows so the game um and then alex there's something kind of shocked me was the question comes up whether or not he watched his show from that day to prepare for any of these cases and i would have thought you probably watched i mean at least a little bit no maybe on two time speed nope mr jones after having um claimed your audience of millions um that each of the events we just went through uh were staged by the government um you went on the air on december 14th 2012 to discuss a shooting that had happened that morning in connecticut correct yes i'm the morning of december 14th 2012

adam lands a shot his way into sandioc elementary school do you know that yes he killed 20 children and six adults correct yes and you were at your studio in texas that day right i believe so and your show aired at its regular time 11 a.m central yes and you started talking about sandy hook didn't you i believe so and you knew exactly what you were gonna say too no i remember i think i was we were recovering what the news was up to and what people were saying the callers were calling in well no caller that called in told you that sandy hook was staged did they i haven't reviewed that show you produced it to us did you know that i told him to give you

everything we had and you didn't think that you might want to review your broadcast from the day the shooting jack again i really try to not think about sandy hook because i get bombarded with it so i'm no i'm not been reviewing much of this stuff there was a there was a pause there in that uh and that is kind of like him realizing well that does look bad that i didn't i didn't review this this kind of i'm gonna have to explain this and i would like to translate what he's saying yeah that like i don't like to think about sandy hook or whatever that's him saying i don't want to face what i did yeah that's what that is entirely i'm too much of a coward to own up to the fact

that i behaved this way and it caused this much pain to people yeah i mean well the part of that was it literally never occurred to me to do so that is not something i want to do i have built up psychological roadblocks exactly that won't allow me to even come close to reckoning with my own thought never occurred to me it is verboten yeah so the it's pretty important to understand and recognize especially in hindsight that alex when he got on air that day had no information right um when he's saying this is looks like a false flag this looks fake he had nothing other than himself same thing that we were looking at he was looking at and he had no more information than us we did not call it a false flag and he has these quote unquote anomalies

that he can look at and say like no and he can say use that to justify his suspicions and all this but none of that was anywhere in his mind immediately no there were no of these anomalies and so that comes up and this is weird i mean i could go back over some of the anomalies i'm sure you'll you'll bring them up i'm asking you on that day it was the reports from multiple shooters the man in the woods and the camo um some of the responses and things about the first responders and we'd seen other events that we had questions about uh and and so we were you know obviously looking to see if it was a staged event and you had none of that information available to you when you went on the air did you um again i need to go back to the timetable

of that but if i'm sitting there saying this could be staged i mean a lot of stuff staged of course it could be staged and and you then titled the video that you published that day Connecticut school massacre looks like false flag witnesses say you remember that i don't remember that but that's a you know you title you title your own videos right sometimes actually that's your practice correct it is i i generally like to try to title some of the videos right it's your practice to do it injection didn't do it yesterday didn't do it sunday no i don't do it all the time it's not my yes i do a title videos one i get a chance to yeah nico acosta was your longtime producer correct he was a radio booker yes well he was your longtime producer of your show was he not

yes but that isn't different and he and he testified in this case you wear that yep okay i mean i knew he testified i don't know what he testified to now not a single witness that you spoke to first of all you didn't speak to any witnesses that day who witnessed the shooting correct i was watching it on television and hearing what the witnesses were saying you were watching witnesses on television speak i was watching when people were saying on television and not a single witness said that it was a false flag did that um i i don't know that you just said earlier you think a witness when you you're saying you were saw you saw news reports you're cutting them off you saw news reports that day as you're watching as you were

broadcasting i think we're playing part of the news reports on air live as you were broadcasting and you think and and one of those news reports included what an interview of a witness i will go back and i will review that that first day i didn't know i mean i'm i agree i questioned it right away do you think that a witness on the air told you that the massacre looked like a false flag no i'm telling you that here's the thing i haven't reviewed the broadcast a while i shouldn't comment on it okay so you have no idea whether any witness to the shooting ever said that it looked like a false flag correct i can't speak to something that i've not reviewed okay well you you lived it didn't you it's 10 years ago all right so yeah this line

of questioning is a like just a disastrous uh falling off a cliff for alex yeah the uh the title of that uh video uh sandy hook shooting looks like a false flag witnesses say is such a disaster because the the question uh the follow-up obviously is what witnesses what are you talking about this is all nonsense right um and you can't answer that because you don't have an answer to that yeah it is it is interesting to look at somebody to like watch in real time as somebody finally sees themselves from the outside you know like because he inside he's like okay you know what i did some bad things but i'm not guilty you know and then whenever he sees himself through that lens of like oh i really can't explain that i really can't i look the most guilty anyone's

ever looked are you trying to tell me you turned on cnn and a witness to the shooting said uh looks fake well now that you say it like that because that's what your headlines all right okay so okay or did you have uh conversations with witnesses uh who told you that all fair what's going on here none of this it is it is like you woke up really really sleepy you weren't paying attention and your friends had put you inside a dolphin costume and you went to the liquor store and you were like oh i'm gonna go get some get some gum or something and everybody's like you are wearing a dolphin costume and you're like ah i'm fine so biggie so this next clip is a little bit longer i'm gonna say mic down for this even though it's about four minutes oh boy and the reason is because this is

pretty intense okay um the question is about uh the robbie parker press conference which as we know alex basically just played the first two seconds of uh and the question has to do with whether or not he ever even watched the full uh conference um so a very simple yes or no question you have just described is going to lead to a four minute clip that i need to put my mic down for well because it it takes a turn that sounds right yeah oh boy now that day after the sandy hook tragedy um a father of one of the children spoke to the press outside his church did you know that yes did you watch that live i watched it i don't remember if i watched it live

when did you watch it i know i've watched the robbie parker videos every time i'm talking about the statement that mr parker gave the day after the shooting i i've i've i've watched it many times and i watched it near the back at that time i don't remember 10 years later how i watched it or exactly when i watched it did you watch the whole thing um i mean i i've watched what is the whole thing again did you watch his entire statement to the press that evening i remember watching the whole press conference okay let's play um and and you think you did it around the time um that he gave it although you can't say exactly when i mean really yeah i mean i know the statement i know what you're talking about i don't remember when i exactly i watched it 10 years ago what um

what was his child's name who was murdered at sandy hook i don't remember can you name a single person who was murdered at sandy hook um back at the time we've said some of the names but i've most of the people that sued me i never said their names so i mean like i said i'm not in fact i'm not going to say their names now because they'll edit it or something mr jones do you know the name of a single person who was killed at sandy hook yes i know some of their names okay go ahead and tell me which names you not you know you'll edit it or something i'm not giving you what you want oh yes you are oh you want to make them objection objection make me you say their name well they did yeah no i i want to see whether you're lying or not when you say you know them

no oposner okay can you give me another one i'm done can you give me another one i didn't kill those children can you even though people in the public come up here and say i killed them and i'm not going to say their names so you can edit it together act like i did something to them there's a there's a court record of what you say here so other than no oposner can you name a single person who was murdered at sandy hook just yes and i'm done doing parlor tricks okay who you're gonna answer the question so there's no reason to instruct him in that way if you can leave me from the court so you can maybe have a brief moment no we may not you're gonna we just took a break can you name a single person who was murdered at sandy hook other than

no oposner objection as to form yes if i need to go into my mind and dredge it up i probably can but i'm not gonna sit here and say their names for you so you can have something for your hbo movie mr jones this is a lawsuit brought by people whose children and loved ones were killed and i didn't kill them nobody said they know they well know who murdered their children okay but the general public comes up to me and says mr jones mr jones the question before you is whether you're capable of stating the name of any other person who was murdered at sandy hook um i mean i could probably dredge up some of the names but i'm done i'm done doing it no you're not done doing it so the answer is no you can't do it sure i can't do it all right who that is heavy

yeah yeah it makes me think that as as bad as it was i do think that when alex was on the stand uh both mark and chris had to have maintained a large amount of restraint because they clearly know where to press the button to make alex dance you know like if they wanted to make alex really explode they had the buttons i think i think probably yeah um yeah i think they chose to make sure that he only exploded as much as he did well yeah you don't want to derail things too much right right right um i believe um and uh matty does point this out and and touch on this that alex only knows no aposiners name because he used a picture of him uh when they had the the shooting in pakistan um that uh uh lenny uh his father uh gave him a a strike a copyright strike

for yeah and so that name is somebody that alex has actually uh had much more engagement with right because of the uh harassing of mr posner uh over the picture of his son yep and so the question of what are any of these people's names i don't think alex does know any of them and it's an interesting dodge to be like they're just gonna edit this together in some kind of a way like what kind of way are you worried about people editing you saying someone's name yeah about like that's absurd it's clearly uh evading having to recognize publicly that you don't care enough about this at all uh to even know the names of the people who were murdered that you have uh maligned yeah the only people quote editing this or putting it out even a little bit are us and

it sounds way worse when you say that yeah than if you said no yeah we both would have been like well yeah of course he doesn't know any of those i mean i would still think that's worth comment oh absolutely was honest about it no fuck this guy for sure and i don't think i i mean i would probably play like a four minute clip too if he had uh you know honored the the memories of totally we would have the people you know yeah and and and recognize that he did understand the scope of the impact yeah that's something that i do want people to because it's it's hard to really like grasp this but if alex had done that you would have cut that clip and we would have both been like can you believe this like it would not have been something like this doesn't fit

within our narrative we both that yeah hell yeah put that in there well and it would be very interesting to have this demonstration of alex having some reckoning of his own actions totally would imply that there was time spent thinking about it time spent understanding um that wasn't public and i think that that's just as noteworthy as what just happened here totally and uh that is ugly what happened here yeah gross there's another way to go yeah so alex said um that um robby parker was acting in the press conference sure um and unfortunately seems like he still kind of thinks that what he was doing looked like acting oh my god oh god because that's the type of person that she is

not because of any parenting that my wife and i could have done but because those are the gifts that were given to her by her heavenly father can you pause it did you watch that at the time i believe i've seen this yes was mr parker acting when he uh referred to his daughter emily as being somebody who would have been the first to console victims is he acting when he said that no i said later i believe the shooting happened was he acting when he said that technologically does he believe that now or at the time no i don't believe he was acting but at the time you thought he was acting when he described his daughter's personality as being one

who would console victims is that right yes i mean okay it it it looks in the classic area of acting it doesn't come but i understand sometimes sorry what you agree different ways classic area about these things but i mean it it it it he looks like it sounds like academy award winning style acting and uh that's what everybody a lot of folks also thought that but i understand there's a lot of complex ways people deal with things as i learned more over the years i believe that he did lose his daughter and i'm sorry for that and i did not kill his daughter the mainstream media lied so much that people lost faith in the system so now the public doesn't believe anything because so many times it's not true and people come to my show because

i do question everything and i've also made mistakes in the process mr jones um the um that looked to you like academy award-winning acting didn't it i understand what i'm telling you is is that it comes off as when objection is to form it i'm saying right now you just described it as it looks like academy award-winning acting to you right there's a finer minute right now yes just a second ago yes we're sitting here you said that that looks like academy award-winning acting to you doesn't it yes okay gross and i think i think you are totally right about the button and i think that one of the buttons is making alex watch the stuff that he lied about yeah you know like it's so easy for him to look at that two

seconds of robbie parker appearing to laugh or whatever yeah and run with that yeah but what he has a very serious aversion to is having in his face this press conference that is like this is what you are calling acting you know like this if you are saying that you watched the whole thing this is what you're lying about yeah not just that little snippet you're lying about all of this yeah um and i think that that alex on a human level recognizes is monstrous yeah yeah yeah it doesn't like being a monster it is it is a little bit like picture of dorian gray kind of shit right there like he just cannot bring himself to look at what he actually is yeah so fascinating mm-hmm because it yeah because he knows he knows what he is he can't not know

yeah but to be confronted with it it's somehow different it's fascinating yeah it really is it's like what happens to a human brain you know you you want to study is that is this like a cte he should donate his brain to science after he dies couldn't hurt this couldn't it couldn't hurt we could learn something well or at least we could throw his brain around like a football no that would work another option yeah um could just be booze anyway there's that there's that there is something uh a dynamic that's at play here that i think is really uh also a button for alex and that is questioning his um integrity and questioning his bravery right um he is of which he has none on both counts he is willing to admit that he thought that this looked like acting

you know but for some reason he is really refusing to say that he called robbie parker an actor which he absolutely did yeah he did and so maddy is pushing on that and then this gets fucking ugly when you claimed robbie parker was a crisis actor what you were claiming was that he was fabricating and lying about the existence of his daughter correct well i said no no no how could he be an actor lying about the death of his daughter and still be telling the truth about her mr jones we look at all of these events and some have been staged some haven't been and everybody questions things more than ever now and i've explained to you that the internet said they thought oh he was an actor it was fake i looked at him and said yeah it looks like he's acting uh and

then and then and then i went back and forth whether it happened or not uh and long before i got sued i said no i think it happened mr jones so that's that's that's that's on record mr jones mr jones yeah why can't you just answer my question i mean you that's a bigger question um you like to tell your audience that you're the tip of the spear right that's what you say you're you're a precision guided munition right objection that's what you refer to yourself as right i may have done that before yeah and and yet you aren't even willing to sit here under oath and acknowledge what you said i'm sure about robbie being an actor but here's an example no no no and then acknowledging that what you were saying was that mr parker was fabricating the

existence of his own daughter here's an example here's what i'm saying no no no no isn't that what you said i'm saying hbo is running this production isn't that i'm saying this is a production this this is acting this is for hbo and your career you're the ones that live off of san jude kids there's a lot of acting going on around here everybody's going to come out that hbo is directing all this you don't think we don't know all that stuff his dad lied about being in vietnam in combat you guys are all fake i know i know you're trying to his dad's a false flag senator blooming tall all you people mr jones i know you're trying to distract no i'm not it's from from your own conduct which is what we're going to know that his dad never went to vietnam

about it stolen glory mr jones is that wrong mr jones okay so wrong that i know about hbo mr jones do you want to do you want to i mean we can stay here a third day and you can go on your ranch like you're i'm sure i'm sure your pet judge will do whatever you want oh you're here mr jones you're really great um and so i'm going to move to strike for lack of a question yeah it's a mess yeah i would move to strike that for just general good person reasons yeah i mean alex is always waiting to have a little bit of an outburst because he is a flair for the dramatic sure but at the same time this is coming out of a question that he can't face yeah and that is why can't you admit to the things that you said yeah um you know you're supposed to be this person

who is principles and and all this and yet you lack the spine to even just sit here and own up to the mistakes that you've made yep if this is a mistake and you just got something wrong you had some bad sources or whatever why why can't you just admit you said he was an actor and what that entails what that implies yep you have to dodge this with like oh the internet thought it looked like acting and i said hey maybe it looked like acting yeah isn't what you said you're softening your own backstory in order to make it more palatable to yourself you can't admit it to yourself yep you coward yeah like you're a big dog and you're just a tiny yapping puppy yeah you coward yeah yeah it's weak it's weak it's very weak it's weak how is it that you i don't understand how you

can have that much bravado whenever it is that lacking the tip of the spear is uh uh uh al dente noodle yeah that's that's not sharp no so one of the things that alex one of his claims uh in relation to robbie parker was that uh prior to him giving his press conference someone had given him a card of what to say right and like the media or government was telling him what to say sure or hbo well now sure uh and alex has to deal with the fact that that's based on nothing right and that was maybe out of thin air a little bit yeah do you see the headline there father of sandy hook victim asks read the card seconds before tear jerking press conference yes okay um when we just watched the video you didn't hear mr parker say read the card did you

it's very low audio i couldn't tell what he said you didn't hear him say read the card did you objection um can you play it again for me no because you just watched it you didn't hear him say read the card did you objection no it sounded more like we can start yeah and sure that you um there's a statement attributed to you at the bottom where it says uh in the second sentence after you offer your condolences to mr parker uh it appears that members of the media or government have given him a card and are telling him what to say that's what you said right in part objection um that's what you said right it appears that members of the media or government have given him a card correct i mean i guess i picked up on some of that there yeah i definitely remember

this but thanks for showing it to me sure you're welcome wow did you see anybody in the video that we watched give mr parker a card no i must have been conflating it but something got it wrong um did you see anybody tell him what to say um i wasn't looking for that when you play it can you play it again no i'm just asking when you i don't watch the beginning twice did you see anybody tell him what to say talking to some people but some people are even over talking to him but i don't well who were they were they members of the media or the government um i really don't get your point do you understand the question i'm asking you

you you put out a statement five days after the shooting that said members of the media or the government given him a card and are telling him what to say and i just asked you after having watched that video whether you saw anybody tell him what to say objection can we just probably telling in context i mean i thought i was watching that video to see what he said and i told you what i thought he said and it's different than what i was saying there so i think i think there's that having watched the video did you see anybody tell him what to say i wasn't looking for that i just i don't know i don't know all right yeah it's all based on nothing yeah yeah it does really seem like alex does not get the point no like he just genuinely doesn't

yeah it's it's it's almost impossible to tell if he doesn't get the point or if he's just so aware of like how important it is for him not to get the point right man it just feels like he really doesn't get the point kind of feels that way too but it feels like it might be naive yeah it could be it is just a bit like he i i don't know i i really don't think he can tell the difference between whether or not the things he says are true or not true yeah it might not matter to him here's another thing that they that clip made me think of that would be an interesting exercise yeah take things that alex has constructed conspiracies out of in the past show him the same source material and then ask him what his conspiracy was about it yeah if he could recreate

it from memory that's a good one because i bet he'd come up with a different conspiracy that's the shit that's our game show i bet he would like find some other detail right and be like oh that must be what i was suspicious about because he probably there's probably no consistency right right because it doesn't mean anything let's let's take it the opposite direction get rid of alex entirely but let's grab some of the things that he said and convince three random strangers to guess the conspiracy theory for money at the end of the round whoever has the most money wins that's not a terrible idea yeah another interesting idea would be take three things that alex uh made a conspiracy out of and then a fourth thing and see if he could pick out which one wasn't

suspicious that's a good one that's a good one but then again the fourth thing that wasn't suspicious to him he might find suspicious also make up a make up a similar conspiracy theory and see if he can tell the difference between them whether or not there's what detail is different between your version and the made up version yeah basically what we're doing is trying to find ways to apply the scientific method yes exactly alex it turns out none of this is repeatable can you do anything repeatable no the answer is no so one thing that i found pretty disgusting um was that uh they you know they play the clip of robby parker for alex and if you pay careful attention here you can here alex laugh um all right go ahead and keep playing

he seems to not really appreciate the gravity of uh the situation and the context of stuff to the point where he uh still thinks it's funny the way that robby parker walks up to the mic yeah that's i i it's unfathomable to me i i mean he's he's really moved into the uncanny valley for me of like human behaviors like everything he does so very similarly represents what a human would do but then there's something like this where you're like there's something missing man there's something missing something's something's not there i don't know what it is but you're unlike all the other humans that i know you know yeah i don't know if it's something that's missing or something that's trained yeah something that's been sort of ingrained in him over time uh so

not so much missing but something added yeah maybe even but yeah there is i mean obviously we wouldn't be a 700 plus episodes about somebody who wasn't like you are you are not like other people you're a unique person if you have commanded 750 episodes of our show i will i will give you that you are uniquely fucked up yep yep yep yep yep so uh maddy points out to alex that he lies every day right and this is not taken well why not it seems like his job yeah i know have some pride in your job well there's a difference between consciously lying and making mistakes you lie every day oh really yeah so a lot of you guys have lied when you follow that course in fact one of the times you lied mr jones objection um was when you claim to an audience of millions that i had planted child

pornography in materials that you sent us correct that's not what i said oh okay that would have been a lie though right objection what's a lie would you do jones that would have been a lie you're not gonna let me talk no you're gonna answer my question objection it would have been a lie for you to say for sure you might have uh you're you're that you're that kind of person maybe have you ever met me before today i know you're a slimy ambulance chaser that owns the courts i know your partner bragged us that you're the mafia and you're on the state who my partner am i allowed to talk about my objection my i'll tell you do you want i need to speak to you um and i'm not gonna talk about what i need to speak to you did say it walk the record no we're gonna keep going no no we're not there's

a question of privilege that is pertinent i'm sorry what now i would like to speak to you for one moment please i'm not asking to speak to mr jones but we're not we're gonna keep going um mr jones you um i'm gonna ask you this one more time before we call the court okay i'm gonna ask you to stop abusing people in this room okay stop using me and said that we filed fraudulent financial documents we didn't do that mr jones you did and the court found that you did objection so i'm gonna ask you black people weren't humans doesn't mean it's not true oh boy i'm gonna ask you mr jones supreme court said blacks weren't humans and it was a lie mr jones i'm gonna ask you black people are humans to stop abusing people in this room okay i'm not abusing anybody okay you're

gonna stop addressing attorney blumenthal do you understand that he's not asking you questions so you're gonna stop doing that can we agree yes all right okay yeah things that's a mess yeah um so yeah the mafia they're the mafia and they run the state right on the courts right that was a barrage yeah in a short period of time i really thought about this because it's so bizarre this like uh this do you you you said that you're the mafia yeah or whatever the only reason that norm would respond the way he did is if he's involved in this claim somehow do you mean norm told alex i feel like that's the one of the only conclusions you can come to because he's saying this touches on privilege yep and so it has to do with something that involves confidential uh discussions that he

had with alex yeah and so i don't i don't know what to make of it exactly but it's fucked up this is so fucked up i will i will tell you this and i i swear to you uh i could be wrong but this is one of those moments where i feel like i can penetrate the veil so to speak okay uh norm was trying to explain information from a conversation that he had with the other lawyers and alex could not understand it so norm said well basically what they're saying is he's like the mafia and they're gonna and alex took that to mean oh you're saying that he said he's the mafia that's interesting i swear to you this is in my brain i can feel it happening let me go let me jump off your uh scenario okay to suggest another possible scenario all right same setup basically but norm is trying

to explain away to alex why they're gonna lose this case without saying because we're 100% because we're hoes because we're screwed and we've done this all wrong yeah you got terrible advice from barns you got terrible advice from me i am a great lawyer but we're up against the mafia alex i can see that that could be an explanation i don't know whatever it is it's something weird and norm who's like clearly jumping up to be like shut this down shut this down it does have the feel of shit talk that left the wrong area you know uh oh so we jump now to uh the boston bombing because that happens a little bit after the sandy hook shooting right and uh what do you know alex called that the fake the day of also in april of 2013 just four months after the tragedy

at sandy hook um the boston marathon bombing happened correct yes and you went on the air that night right yes uh and you claimed that the boston marathon bombing was staged right i said it it it looked like another false flag domain staged event right yes there's a lot of anomalies a lot of really bizarre stuff that happened and you knew that on the very day it happened right we we uh we talked to we had some of our crew had been a family member that was there you had a what one of the crew was a family member that was there who was that i have to go look it up but what was we we actually made some calls on that and uh looked at some things and saw some of the anomalies rob do's brother or brother-in-law

was there uh running yeah and then they created a conspiracy out of how he didn't want to talk to them but yep yep so that's what happened yeah he said uh i don't want to be on this show about leave me the fuck alone yep yep uh this is may i mean we're now making up what exactly he said but i would imagine it was this is insulting yeah yeah yeah yeah uh but alex has forgot that it was rob do and and you know what's interesting it made me realize you know rob do's uncle was the fbi agent who was in new town rob do's brother-in-law is at the boston boston rob do's family members are all over the these stories it does feel like he's got a cartoonishly large family like like he's a he's nurse joy in the pokemon series like they're all exactly like him though

they're just oh my cousin uh yeah either that or it is a conspiracy and rob do's family is controlling everything from behind the scenes it really could be yeah it could be that they have been on a long game to ruin alex's life this whole time yeah yep so alex needs to justify calling the bombing fake and so he does that by uh pointing to a news article about how like disrupted terror plots uh a lot of them have fbi informants i didn't jive let's go over first before i get into the bombing itself let's get in and again there's maybe a five percent chance out of a hundred that this could be real muslim terrorists or i i guess there could be some domestic group

freaked out that would go stage this to be clear i gotta look pretty handsome but some say it's real be clear i've never seen santa claus some say it's real never seen a unicorn some say it's real now i don't think it exists but it may same thing with domestic terror groups i mean i'm going to read the cops and the people that saw the feds plant the bombs uncle i'm sitting you saw them stage fast and furious folks they staged aurora they stage standing hooked the evidence they're just overwhelming and that's why i'm so desperate and freaked out uh this is not fun you know getting up here telling you this i i somebody's got to tell you the truth somebody's got to stand against these people

somebody's gonna do it and and that's why your audience comes to you for the truth right they come from people that are gonna challenge the system and the and that they believe basically aren't on the establishment payroll people you know that deny there's a new world order i mean and the truth that you gave them on the day of the boston marathon bombing was that the bombing itself was staged correct i mean it it it it looked that's what you told there's even a new york times headline i'm not even at ninety six percent of terror plots were run by the fbi with islamic terror i mean it almost hey by the way can you tonight also get me that article that shows that the new york times ran that 95 percent according to the fbi i'm sorry that

according to new york times 95 percent of terrorist acts are actually committed by the fbi can you terror plots terror plots can you find that article sure no no no write that down so but going back to the boston marathon bombing the truth that they came to you for on the day of the bombing was your claim that it was staged correct um that's what you said right as soon as it happened it's what people do at any a big event is everybody sort of looking at it and the different reports that were coming out the things that were happening and we knew that so many of the islamic terror plots had actually been provocateur and and staged by the fbi that this was probably another one of those and that's what she told him right yep okay the assumption that it's an islamic terror plot

is weird yeah because i don't think that was even necessarily uh something that was being discussed as certain but of course if you listen to the clip that alex uh had at the beginning of this you know he's saying that domestic terror doesn't even really doesn't exist yeah so that wasn't a possibility that rolls that out yeah um yeah i i think that it's it's a fun defense right to point to i mean he does have the there are articles that have discussed the dynamic of there's the fourth x five and uh those people i mean the fbi's done that in the past yeah sure because they have too much money yeah right and um there have been investigations into um the fbi uh being a little over zealous in trying to encourage uh people to carry through uh with the attacks to

the point where they could be arrested yeah yeah we gotta justify spending all of this time yeah yeah but it still doesn't really help alex's argument as much as he thinks it does right um and uh but you know it doesn't stop him from just still thinking that uh the sarnav brothers were patsies yeah i said it i said it could be real and you well wait a minute we just saw you said there's a five no what you said was there's a five percent chance that it could be muslim or home grown terrorism right that's what you said we just saw it yes okay um which means you're telling your audience there's a 95 chance that it's staged by the government right and and then you go on and you tell them even though i said there's that five percent chance you know i've never seen the easter

bunny and you say so i've never really seen domestic terrorism right that's what you say almost all of it is is either totally staged provocateur okay and that's my opinion i'm allowed to say and you said that the two bombers the sarnav brothers were definitely patsies right oh yeah okay and and that's true even though one of them murdered an mit police officer correct we're told that okay and it's true even so you still believe that one admitted that he was involved in the bombing now that that's what they claimed later okay they're both but they're both conveniently killed but in any event i mean you just sorry what let me break you know that um uh our joe carson i have um is not yet dad you know that i don't want him got killed shot or whatever okay because i mean

he just testified under oath that both of them were conveniently killed oh under oath i'm allowed to make mistakes i gotta remember that okay um but that's kind of the all right we can make mistakes baby here's what happened here alex his narrative at the time because when joe har was found uh he had a wound to his throat and it uh they it's like oh he's never going to be able to talk again it's perfect right you know that was the narrative at the time they killed the one and silenced the other um and so alex is just kind of forgotten basically that joe har's still alive and so he's just turned it into they're both dead in his mind because he doesn't give a fuck about any of this stuff it's not real to him he didn't care at the beginning he doesn't care now certainly and he still

thinks they're patsies yeah so the night of the bombing was a big night for info wars according to chris maddy and everybody except for alex he's confused about it the boston marathon bombing was actually a very big night for info wars correct rejection i don't i don't remember um it mr. jones you remember what happened to the boston marathon bombing do you not you remember why that was a big night for info wars fresh my memory who's dan badandi uh he's uh he lives around here uh he's a uh um a professional wrestler and uh talk show host

and a former employee of yours he did work for us for about six months yeah uh and then you he was a contract reporter for you for years thereafter correct some and then and yeah and then he kept saying that he worked the less when he wasn't but but i've i've tried to be friendly and nice to him he's kind of a fan reporter oh what a good guy alex is so dan badandi did invade a press conference on the night of the boston bombing but there's a reason that alex is confused about maddy asking him about that he's probably forgotten about that one since badandi did a way more offensive disruption at the press conference on april 18th which uh info wars glee gleefully broadcast live here's a clip of alex's excitement just before that press conference

started being fully aware that badandi was going to yell promotional shit for alex at the expense of a terrorized city we will provide you with accurate information as it becomes available i look forward to that thank you and you'll say it on here and there it is you saw miss napolitana right there we will provide you sir don't get your sources anywhere else we will provide you with said information the press conference is coming up in 20 minutes that's all i can say alex seems very excited about this press conference and we will be giving you uh live coverage on that he's so excited he's breaking into an jacari and david knight are hosting uh to be like oh get ready badandi's there he's gonna do because he had already disrupted the first press conference

there's already a precedent for this and he's gonna do he's gonna go he's gonna push it even further so but look man alex didn't remember that because he gets so much press you know he it's no big deal for him on the night of the boston marathon bombing the reason that it was such a big night for info wars was because mr badandi asked a question at a nationalized televised event nationally televised president well that was that night okay i thought it was days later you remember what i'm talking about now i remember it wasn't that day i mean i can't answer your questions mr i don't know i believe me so but but you know what i'm talking about that was a big deal there's a hundred articles about me today i can't remember any other stuff i mean you want me to remember

something happened like you know with the press conference i mean i understand for you guys like being in the media once is a big deal or whatever this is like um christ in terms of lunch can we break it one and if so um may i have just one moment to get a lunch order from mr jones we can break before one and if you want to get his lunch order now i'm ready time is of the essence and i want to get somebody to order may i may i step out with him for just five seconds sure they get some steak i think um so yeah time is of the essence so look uh i understand that you gotta have the food delivered so you can you can time it right can't get it all good yeah no i understand so they come back from getting the food order and look it's not a big deal that dan badandi interrupted

this press conference alex gets press all the time man do you recall that mr badandi um asked a question at a nationally televised press conference held by governor deval patrick yes i do and that was a big deal for info wars right we have a lot of big deals but yeah that was it was definitely interesting i mean this was 2013 so this was nine years ago right and am i correct that for info wars to get that kind of national exposure at that time was a big deal no if you want to know technically going on with george norio coast to coast am he saw as a big audience for back then it was at least 20 million that's real people listening uh and this is this is your audience back then no no no no going on other people's big shows talk radio even though the media ignores it you were a

guest on somebody else's show and that was a big deal for you yeah i mean i would say him yelling that out at that press conference uh i mean it was interesting it was uh you know we were like oh you know you know a good job uh but basically no i mean i answer question that's not that big a deal so here are a couple of clips from the 18th oh yeah of alex uh not that big a deal not a big a deal not that big a deal go to boston right now if you're listening yes if you get out of your basement get away from your computer and go to boston and start getting in the face of people and starting to ask people questions yeah by the way intro wars is getting double the traffic it's ever gotten we broke the record a few days ago now it's doubled in right now his smoke is coming out

of it of the servers and fire oh man doubled the traffic it you've ever gotten not that big a deal and at this point you've been on george norio show before you double the track traffic of ever because not that big a deal no certainly not we're more interested in the truth than we are about position by the way dan you getting info wars dot com out on every network i said double the traffic that was earlier the report it's like 50 times the traffic we're getting a million visitors every couple minutes right now are you serious not that big it's a hundred thousand k new people every 60 seconds oh my god wow now there's like the it guys of every this is probably like the number one website in the world just during this window wow it is it is it is 100 000 k new joining who's

already on it this isn't hits these are visitors every minute wow we're watching the new world order burn down yeah so maddy doesn't play those clips for him but it was a big deal yeah it's a big deal yeah this is delusional for him to be like wow you know he go on coast to coast that's real people he was so excited about the idea of his name of info wars being broadcast on a platform that wasn't in that niche weirdo world yeah it is it is very much like i mean this is this is kind of the way that colonel travis would want it to go you know like he got drunk and celebrated every tiny victory along the way and now he's about to be over come by the entirety of a fucking nation thank god so we know that info wars the quickest path to

getting hired there is to yell at liberals at a rally or something yeah publicly get it on youtube yeah 100 000 views minimum minimum but back in the day it was contests you gotta win a contest and it turns out that badandi won a contest and he was hired by you after submitting materials part of a contest that you were incorrect i believe so and the idea was you know to your audience submit us you know your uh some tape and we're going to choose somebody to hire correct yes and you ended up hiring dan badandi and another gentleman jacari jackson as a result of that yes right dan badandi moved down to texas from rhod island correct yes and he started working for you down there as a full-time employee correct yes um and then at some point in early

2013 or thereabouts he left to come back up to rhod island correct yes because he had left his wife at the time and his child up here right i didn't i don't know that you don't know that i mean i didn't know that was reasonable no i i let him go is the reason he left oh you fired well i just yeah that's our actual reporter because he was he was uh he was not going out and doing the stories we told him to do and and it was developing into kind of like a howard stern deal where he was he was a joke and i thought it was kind of lovable but then it would kind of get you know not a good man i'm gonna be mean to dan dan so i think you know overall a nice guy uh it's just an i i wasn't looking for a howard stern type character um and that's what it was turning into so you fired

about it yeah i said he no longer was actually on the on the payroll working there yeah um but despite the fact that he was um somebody you fired um and how would you describe the reason you fired him because he just he wasn't doing the stories that you told him to do and it was his overall demeanor he was he was he was going i told him we were sending one reporter to the each other 21 conference in a town outside austin i forget which one and he i said don't go to it he went to it so is that why you got rid of him yes was there any other reason he just wasn't taking direction okay it had nothing to do with his personality that is funny wow um so yeah he was getting into a whack pack kind of thing and so alex said to get rid of him pretty quick

you know he was uh he was around he did the boston bombing stuff and then kind of you know you know he wasn't really working there anymore you barely had a connection with him i don't really even know his name man if banjino listens to this this is the first time he's going to find out what alex really feels about him because didn't we mean badondi or badondi yeah yeah badondi i guess they're both dans and their last names are similar it's not my fault yeah i'm going to blame i'm going to blame the two of them for it sure if they weren't bad i wouldn't need to know either name great um but it is he he seems he loves alex in his in his deposition he was like alex and i are great friends alex is so nice to me i like working with alex well we haven't

we haven't heard the badondi deposition yet so i thought i i thought we played one clip in the in the trial in the trial they thought it was in the austin trial yeah uh no always in the connecticut trial yeah the well the deposition is from the connecticut trial right right we've not experienced that yet so we may learn more about what badondi's feelings are okay on these subjects interesting but um yeah so this is alex's first framing of the firing of badondi sure and of course it's gonna erode from here as information piles up but it's a nice first effort it's an opening uh gambit it is yeah it could be worse sure yeah so throughout this there's a couple points where norm tries to go off the record really fast because he wants to make like a joke or

a little story um and some of them aren't worth uh mentioning and some i think were actually caught and were off the record sure um but this was recorded and it's fucking nuts yeah so joe har sarnav took norm's niece to prom junior prom there's no there's five guys there's five guys on this planet this is absurd yeah what the fuck just happened what did i just hear what okay all right every any any it's a small world story is now gone for me i mean it means nothing it makes some sense though i mean they're both in the northeast the end

so alex believes that the traffic spike that he saw right um had nothing to do completely unrelated with the bombing completely unrelated your monthly users went from 5.5 million in march to 11.6 million in april correct yes i mean it is true that people tune in to my show when there's big events we've had way more listeners because they know you're gonna say they were no right you're in the russia invasion well one of the reasons why they went on your website in april is because you got damped on to yelling about info wars at a press conference right i don't think that sent most of the traffic i'm sure it sent some all right but he's getting traffic and having been being successful bad no it's not bad oh so i mean we just heard him

say that the traffic was 50 times what it ever was yeah the like immediately after dan badandi interrupted the press conference so i think it can go fuck himself with that nonsense so uh the question becomes badandi went to sandy hook a couple times in 2014 and in 2015 alex you sent him yeah and alex tries to be slippery and how it's unsuccessful okay you sent mr badandi to sandy hook in 2014 correct i mean i mean i definitely was uh he was going there and i think i was uh do you not understand my question objection i'm asking you did you send him yes or no in 2014 have so no what would he just started saying to me just now was he was going there so i'm gonna ask you my question again yes yes i sent him there you sent him there or he was

already going there and i said fine go there no no well he was doing his own stuff so mr jones he wasn't going up to sandy hook in 2014 on his for his own purposes objection objection you you sent him to sandy hook in 2014 did you not i don't remember fair enough but in texas you testified that the last thing he covered for info wars was the boston bombing that's what you testified to i might have gotten that wrong um i mean mr jones you didn't get that wrong you lied about that didn't you know i didn't and the reason you lied about it is because you knew that he covered sandy hook for you and you knew that was a problem for you correct no i just told you that did that madonna did some more work for us mr jones when you testified in march 2019 you didn't know what i know now

uh oh that's not good no that's not good you never want to hear that especially not from a lawyer no no so alex asks uh what do you know i got right what do you know now i know mr jones that you sent him to sandy hook in 2014 and that you sent him there in 2050 are you gonna tell about it there's no see are you gonna deny it no there's no secret that we had him on about it all right um not only that you had him on but that you sent him up there and he was working for you correct here's here's why is it so hard for you to answer because around that time i started saying that i didn't want him to do stuff for forest periods i'm trying to remember the times objection he's being cut off mr jones you sent him to cover trump row he's in 2016 objection you deny it i believe we didn't pay

him i don't know i don't know i don't know i don't think this is what i was getting at about the paying because as soon as you were sued you instructed your staff to go and figure out when was the last time you paid the dandy did you not objection because you were the people were asking how long you worked there and i had to figure that out you know that's what i mean i love how you guys want that's your question pending right now alex shut up alex stop talking yeah for good whatever you say shut up if the only if the only experience that you have with the american legal system is through this show how could you not think that every law situation isn't like who who ordered the code read like this is a this is insane this is insane you send him to

sandy hook didn't you i can't tell you you did didn't you i i thought uh yes i signed up to sandy like what are we doing here people like me you have to make a hard decision it is it is such like hey listen i don't remember i'm in the media all the time these are some things below me like what are we doing man yeah this is insane yeah yeah it is oh so alex i think a fair assumption would be that he asked about the payroll with bedondi because he wanted to know what the paper trail was of course obviously we know this not according to alex though how how could it be anything else he just doesn't understand a ton of stuff too fair when did you last talk to mr bedondi years and years ago

like how many years uh i mean i don't remember it's been years three years four years i don't know did you call him after your deposition in texas i don't believe so no why you didn't speak to mr you didn't speak to mr bedondi on the telephone after you were deposed in texas in the presence of a lawyer i do not believe so no you did not call mr bedondi to apologize for the way that you mischaracterized your relationship with him when you testified in texas i do not remember doing that if i did offer to have him down to texas for dinner i don't remember that you don't remember who that lawyer was that was with you no i don't did you put the lawyer on to talk to mr bedondi

i have no memory is he right next to you and and you and the lawyer told mr bedondi that he shouldn't talk about sandy hook right i remember that i mean i've been on a restaurant not drinking or something and i remember something i remember with a lawyer or bedondi you don't remember after your deposition mr bedondi stating um publicly that um he had seen reports of your deposition in the press and that what you'd said about him wasn't true i do not remember that ooh okay i think if you're alex um and you're getting these questions and they're fairly specific like an invitation to dinner and stuff like that kind of got to assume that this is coming from bedondi or or uh if you want to get wildly paranoid sure they have your phone call recorded they were

spying on you or something five eyes was watching alex you remember that time you tried to tamper with our witnesses do you remember that buddy uh do you remember how in the presence of a lawyer do you remember how this isn't some weird fantasy where you can go meet him in uh in the middle of a parking garage and witness tamper we have your text message we have we have everything well one i to be fair to be fair when i made the call i was wearing a trench coat what if what if instead of deep throat being there he just fucking emailed it grabbed like yeah exactly like what are we talking through it from his car thick neck yep so there's some conversation about um financial stuff and so like alex's compensation like he makes millions of dollars right and this is

illustrated through documents that involve his draws from the company his income from young jevity right um and then some stuff about pqpr the company that uh you know uh it uh it had supplements and then it sells alex's sure it's yeah yeah the lie company right alex tries to pretend that he doesn't know that he owns never heard of pqpr in my life yeah of course in 2013 did you have any other sources of income other than the draw you took from the company and young jevity not that i can remember of any substantive amount in 2013 you formed pqpr correct yeah i'd have to have you talk to the corporate about all that stuff i think my dad formed it what is pqpr it is a company uh that buys

and manages and runs supplement products everything from bottom and d to wait is a company buys them for sale on your website yes and other places uh and what's your ownership share in pqpr i don't know that i don't have it in front of me i think maybe none good pitch good try throw it out there maybe it'll work um i know my dad has some other other companies but i'm not involved in those so i mean like i said i can't really answer these questions properly because i'm not a corporate god i don't understand all the numbers and things well wouldn't you know if you held uh a 90 percent ownership interest in pljr which itself held an 80 percent ownership oh my god you guys have that i mean i guess we gave

you don't know that i don't know if you put it on the screen for me it's unfathomable that someone would be oblivious of this like it's just it's you it it strains credulity to imagine now it's a classic negotiating tactic all right how much do you think i own i'm gonna throw zero to start now what are you gonna come back with 100 all right how about 30 percent alex wasn't lying maybe in as much as saying like he doesn't have a ownership sure sure sure all right okay okay it's just these other shell companies that he owns that own them cool great so um the sandy hook what is it's like he's gonna be oh no my dad owns that and let me tell you something he's a real shrewd businessman i can't get a dime out of that guy he is running me wild so uh the sandy hook investigation was

released at a certain point and you know obviously it had some answers to the alleged anomalies that alex was so concerned about something some of those some of those inform some of that information is available maybe so the question becomes when did you really uh did you read that yeah if so when did you read that and alex is obfuscating here for no reason at the end of 2013 um you are aware that the connecticut state's attorney issued his report concerning his investigation into the sandy hook tragedy what year was that 2013 jamboree state's attorney um i remember that yes there was a report that was released in november of 2013 do you remember that yes and then there were supplemental reports that were released in december of 2013 correct yes and did you read both reports

i remember looking over them you do how'd you how'd you obtain them i don't this all gets foggy because later they were for a while they weren't released for a while then they were i mean i don't remember i remember some big big big part of the hubbub was a lot of stuff wasn't being released the public wanted it and they weren't releasing it do you know i just asked you a question of how did you obtain them so in response to that question you've already testified that you reviewed both reports that were issued in 2013 and now i'm asking you how did you obtain them i i don't remember how i obtained them i don't remember when i reviewed them i remember i well you would have reviewed them right then right i mean right you would have reviewed them right when they were came out i don't

remember okay but that's something that obviously you would have done given your claim that it was a hoax objection yeah i don't like i said i don't remember the specifics i read a lot of stuff yeah but i read a lot of stuff there was only one shooting in in 2012 that claim the lives of 26 people and that you would call the hoax so wouldn't you have wanted to see the report of the state's attorney's office when it was issued to investigate your claims i mean i i did look at the reports i don't remember when or exactly how okay but wouldn't it have been your practice when an official report like that came out on an event that you had claimed was a hoax to read it as soon as you could we we we definitely try to do stuff like that i'm asking about you wow don't you personally i'm

just being honest i don't remember when i read it okay so this is so easy for alex and he could have gotten out of this but yes i read it i don't care i don't trust official investigations yeah that's the point yeah i've never believed any of these things why would i yeah yeah it's my standing policy that the media is full of liars the government is full of liars and the people who are doing this investigation are covering shit up yeah so i have a stated like primary position a default position of distrust and so why yeah i read it as casual reading it's a fiction novel it's a dean coontz novel for me to read at the beach i don't believe this shit it is it is weird because it is so quick it's like listen the reason we are here right now is because i don't believe anything the

government says are you asking me if i believed anything the government said yeah it's it's uh it alex seems to be trying to evade the question as if the answer i don't believe the investigation is threatening to him and it's not no that's your that's your game it looks worse for him to be um sort of yeah because then it looks like oh so you did know because you read the investigation and now you're not telling me about it because you don't want me to know that you did know yeah yeah so the subject of wolfgang how big uh begins to come up and um alex has asked about his credentials and of course we have to conclude that pretty much all of it uh just came from wolfgang gang saying i i i got all these credentials it was a suspiciously long list of credentials for one

man to have said that he has yeah yeah and one of them is that he had a long tenure with the state trooper uh organization yeah and alex eventually learned this was not the case oh no but he can't really answer how he learned no he can't that's a bad idea i'm sorry you stated there that mr halby had a long career as a state police officer correct i later learned that was not completely true okay how did you learn that wasn't true i just remember people want to hate this halby guy two years later wasn't the state police that long and uh who told you that just um um i don't remember everybody but like paul watson paul watson because we weren't all like in meetings like agreeing on what we thought was going on watson was a few of the people that called me

that i remember i don't remember him but i was with some others saying hey uh and then when jim fetcher really got into it i didn't know he was into it to later uh jim fetcher um you know has to make sure as well that's what i'm saying is that i this one i began to think you know saying he could when he may have actually need to happen and then when people would bring it up then i would play devil's abbey and cover both sides of it but you know second see how this if i can also see that and just you're sort of trying to not talk about it mr jones mood to strike my question was my question was who told you that mr halby had not had a long career as a state police officer i don't remember i know that paul watson thank you i have no idea

yeah i just i probably knew from the jump just come on of course you did look at the man yeah read his credentials you you you're either that stupid or you're not choose so alex can't really argue his way out of saying that robby parker was an actor right um but there's there's something that he keeps saying and there's clips of him saying this that multiple people were actors and alex really has a difficult time explaining why he said that say we've clearly got people who are actors coming up and playing the parts of different people right okay so you got multiple actors you're telling your audience right you with me i just told you that going back to this this point in time i can't remember everything i was

discussing or what was going on okay mr jones you just saw yourself say words into the camera yes the words that you said were we've got we've got actors playing the parts of different people right that's what you said right okay who are the actors that's what folks were talking about with the corner because it looked like the same person was in multiple roles okay so here you're referring to uh the corner an actor playing him right or or or some or someone in multiple roles yes that's what people were saying okay that's what you were saying no the internet was saying there wasn't much of videos and i was talking about the internet you didn't just say the internet said this you said we've clearly got actors playing multiple roles that's what you said right

okay so and now what you're telling us is that you were referring to the corner and that an actor was playing that role and then another role right that's what that's what we were talking about okay and who else that's all i remember okay so now you got robbie mr parker is an actor playing playing mr parker right that's what you said i mean people yes we were questioning whether it was acting you weren't questioning mr jones you said we've clearly got it those were your words right i told you that's okay so you got robbie and now you got an actor playing the corner right that's what they've been saying yes that's what you said i don't know why you're continuing to do you see anybody else on that screen okay i don't understand what you're saying okay i can't

understand what you're saying all right now we're in now we're in crazy territory i emotionally can't understand what you're saying because it is too threatening to me yeah um so yeah you know one of the things that i find interesting is how alex has to distance himself like from definitive claims in any way and it's it's right in line with what i've kind of had as a thesis for a long time and that is that the enemy of any of these people is specificity yeah you don't want to be nailed down to anything so it's like is that what you said that's what the internet said yep uh no you just said that yeah um and the the one of the problems with specificity is that as you pursue it these theories start to really sound dumb because the implications of these people

being actors are clear like it's clearly not something that's well thought through by the people who promoted these theories right um and this is explored by uh matty in this next clip about how like how would this make sense right right now let's imagine that robby parker is an actor if that then what else must be true yeah he's he's doing us on project camelot like let's tease this out and see how far these space aliens really go huh and essentially you know you get to a point where alex has to admit that basically everyone has to be in on it yeah in order for this to make any sense it's important to understand how this conspiracy plays out in your life okay and so i'm asking you okay i'm not asking about operation northwood that's how it is okay i'm that's

how they drop out of the house with real parents and stage the kids desk blow up the airplane how they're doing all thank you well let's just talk to you just tell me about you okay what you think all right and what you were claiming so your your quote your claim your your claim your claim in response to my question that there's a fictitious person named robby parker with an actor playing him you'd agree with me that by going in front of the camera to millions and millions of people there will be somebody who would know hey i know that guy that's not robby parker right jack just answered that question do you think that is that a reasonable expectation no okay and um

if somebody were to recognize it's a look at the village if somebody were to recognize the person playing robbie parker isn't in fact robbie parker that would blow the whole hoax right objection objection you know what the temkin village is the answer my question not others of the temkin village okay by the temkin village you mean everybody who was in the immediate community would have been in on it well they set that up right during world war two that's no no no no no that's what you mean that everybody in the community is in not everybody but in a close knit okay which would mean it's certainly all the parents of children who were killed would have to be part of that conspiracy right or maybe it didn't even happen but i'm asking you right

when you're talking about actors when you're talking about actors well mr jones i don't speculate you said clearly you said it's clearly did you tell your audience in that clip right now hey i'm just speculating here could be totally off i did say that in some of the shows did you say that in the clip i just showed you there's clips out of larger things i gave you mr jones did you say in the clip i just showed you i could be speculating here no you didn't right you said they're clearly actors and what you're describing for me is a conspiracy in which where there is a mass shooting that everybody involved in the mass shooting has to be in on the hoax right forward to work injection injection this okay oh i didn't think at the end i would say yes

that seemed that seemed a little bit surprising oh that's that's pretty satisfying because there is a recognition that he has that yeah this only makes sense if like it's sprawling as hell yeah this conspiracy has got to be grand yeah yeah yeah and uh that kind of reveals how silly it is i appreciate i appreciate meddy's moment of just like uh no it's not a wait no it's not all speculative you suddenly like that was that was a pistols at dawn moment like fuck you for saying that get outside we're throwing hands how dare you there are yeah there are a couple moments like that what what the fuck are you talking no you shut the fuck up yeah i mean he's only human you know you can only exactly can only let so much no there's only so much that one man can take so um alex one of the

things that's really important for him in terms of framing his behavior around sandy hook is he needs people to not be aware of how aware he was of wolfgang how big's right right right right because if he is aware of them uh then platforming wolfgang helping him fundraise it kind of uh becomes problematic yeah it's an issue um and so in this setting alex tries to really limit his awareness so you knew that how big was going up there right yes and you knew that badani was going up there right yes and you had mr how big on the show just a few days after that board of education meeting to discuss what had happened correct okay am i right i don't really remember but all right well did you were you aware that um mr how big when he had visited new town

had um uh engaged in a confrontation at the new town firehouse i know there were some confrontations um i don't remember exactly who was okay do you remember that he had a confrontation with police at the united way charity i remember there was some type of argument or something okay uh at the united way charity i vaguely remember seeing bad camera where people killing each other okay um let's play uh exhibit 56 the part of me mr jones this has been produced to us so 56d sir yes 56 is the um may 13th 2014 interview uh and 56d is a clip of that interview with mr how big what do you think really happened at sandy hook people consider 16 questions at sandy

hook justice dot com and then we just salute your your will to go up there and have eight police cars blocking the united way and okay okay so you recall that prior to having mr how big on on that day you became aware that he had had a confrontation at least in your uh telling with eight police cars at the united way this just reminded me okay this just reminded me oh a lot of stuff oh you know what you guys are actually helping me out today how about that i didn't remember that yeah so before this uh interview that you did with him you were aware of him uh harassing people at the united way you have an interesting way of trying to frame it as a heroic quest that the police were stopping him from but uh yeah be that as it may uh you knew about it yeah so go fuck yourself

yeah now um there are a number of things that i'm just not including in here and that is that matty walks alex through a bunch of the alleged anomalies that share how big had about uh sandy hook right and then there's the explanation of like you knew this wasn't true right right here are the things you lied about yeah and we've heard this in other depositions so i'm not gonna include much of it except for places where it is a little bit interesting um such as this the discussion of the uh bloomberg email that doesn't exist oh man this email it has become a new thing now it's a new thing now it's not so much about the bloom bloomberg email isn't the bloomberg email it's now maybe like a gun group that bloomberg gives money yeah yeah yeah

did something all right that email that you're referencing um um you've never been able to produce it right i'm unable to find it never was years and years later like five years after plus that i got sued but you're you're uh why didn't you why didn't you show the email to your audience as further proof i do remember all of the shows but it was an activist one of those one of the ones he funds saying get ready we need to be ready for the mat mass shooting you showed you show the email the next mass shooting you show the email um i was it was yes it was it was a report i think they sent out it was it was like a

not just an email it was like a story explain that to me a little bit more i'm going vaguely from memory but it was it was one of those anti-gun control groups in a communication saying get ready for mass shooting right i'm trying to understand the difference between email and report you said you think it might be what did you do what did you show your audience is really what i mean a communication from one of the anti one of the anti-gun groups all right do you remember which which group no i don't you were asked about that email in uh your texas depositions right i believe so yes did you acknowledge in your texas deposition that you were wrong that he had not

that the email you were referencing actually had not been sent out the day before if you refresh my memory can i you said yeah but you've got it all right there refresh my memory what they showed me well i mean you testified in in texas just a few months ago in december i don't i don't remember even talking about this all right i mean i let me tell you when i walk out of here damn i remember this either well i hope you do because i'm gonna ask you about some of this tomorrow so uh i i mean just it's it's unfathomable that he has no memory i just i i mean at a certain point if i'm if i'm chris here i'm just like hey everybody stop turn the cameras off all the lawyers leave alex it's just you and

me i promise you i will not say a word about what we talk about once they're gone okay stop gas lighting me you and i both know right you and i both know i'll pretend that i have no idea if you just allow me to remember reality it's even better if alex says i don't know what you're talking about yeah it is a little bit maddening it is um especially this uh when it's combined with the moving of the goalpost yeah you know like it's not a bloomberg email from the day before now it's a group that put out a report or something at some point you know it's so vague as to be meaningless now whereas it was like a smoking gun for him totally no i it is it is like you have assaulted my reality for so long i need this from you right now just tell me you fucking know

just tell me you know and that i live in real reality and that you're a fucking liar i don't know what you're about so um we talked about this a little bit earlier but uh the overwhelming sense that i get from alex uh as i listen to more of these depositions and and think about it is he really seems to have an emotional shutoff where he refuses to accept things about his past behavior right and so like when you're asking about like did you review that show no i didn't i'm probably part of the reason is because you don't want to have a fresh memory of it right right all right and it's just it just stinks of cowardice yeah but what i'm telling you is is that is that i'm mentally i don't think anybody could like sit there and dwell on this all the time and

be even half sane okay do i wish i never would have talked about standing up absolutely i make mistakes yes but man like like my brain recoils from it because it's all i hear constantly well but mr thousands of articles a month all the demonization all the attacks great i don't feel like a victim i'm just telling you that i have a coping strategy of i do not do not dwell on this or i i mean it it's just you know this is this is okay so i'm just being completely honest with you that that i i just basically put this out of my mind and i'm trying my best to answer these questions for you okay and because i want i just i just want you guys to have your anti-free speech show trial and and get it over with get your stuff do your deal whatever okay just move on to whatever

the next thing mr joey but here's the deal listen here no i i think i think that's enough um that's not really responsive the question i asked you but i do just want to say i want to see this you know because there have been several times throughout this deposition where you've suggested that um that i or i guess lawyers um are on some sort of anti first amendment campaign and you and i mean you you look at me with that face but you the democrats aren't going to have a free speech everywhere do you realize cancel culture all of it mr films do you realize that the people who have brought this suit against you are families who lost children and relatives at sandy hook do you understand that yes okay and i understand it's being used by the democratic party in the media

that want to not just get the second amendment but the first amendment as well the new york times had a headline like last week saying basically get rid of the first amendment and don't ask questions i mean it's ridiculous to deny that there's a major anti-free speech movement in america and that i'm not being used and my mistakes aren't being used to demonize everybody i've been de-platformed over sandy hook then it was used by everybody else's free speech they admit alex jones was the test case and then now this is being used to to to to go after the first amendment as well and so they may think you can compartmentalize this with new york times versus sullivan and that you guys will keep that stuff for corporate press but it's not going to

work like that and you know the the the way all this is going is is is is extremely dangerous for everybody me i mean at the end of the day i understand that i've just been turning like a character and that and that's where that is i'm just telling you that i'm really trying to answer your questions truthfully i'm going to object to that is non responsive but i've heard what you said and so maybe we don't need to have speeches like that anymore that aren't responsive okay that i ask okay okay so there's um obviously a woe is me yes to this which is pretty tired um i would say i think it's also like really disrespectful and shameful the way that this is he's processing all of this but i do kind of think that based on the way he's describing this it is a coping

mechanism for him yeah like he doesn't want to deal with the fact that you know he took an out of context deceptively edited clip from when robbie parker was coming on to stage and he terrorized him yeah he doesn't want to recognize that the rest of that speech was a heartfelt thing a moment of grace honestly and and um i i wouldn't want to do to recognize that if i were him either i get it i understand that but you like the alternative here is just pathetic at a certain point you you have to um and you can see it just so clearly believe it's a gang star song we all must make face our moment of truth ah that does sound true yeah well i don't think we all must but a lot of people will hey look you're the one who's arguing with guru some people right

uh no in the way that he's when miss when matty is is really trying to like okay fine you one i'm proud of him matty for not sinking his teeth in whenever alex was like i'm tired i just want this all to go away like oh oh do you oh oh oh a decade long stamp yeah oh you oh you just want to put an end to it you know like proud of him for that you know but that moment where he's getting back you understand what we're doing here i understand you think the first amendment the second amendment all of that stuff but you know that it's about the families alex cannot let that sit for a second immediate instantly and then put the new york times and they're using the families and they're all it has to be instant because if he is allowed to sit with that thought for a second

he's fucked yeah he's fucked yeah the recognition of that pierces his arguments yeah too too strongly yeah so he can't it can't not even a breath in between yeah and also listening to this and this next clip also i mean it is definitely a sense that i get that uh lawyers should uh i mean maybe it's never really needed to happen before but now they need an objection that is just shut up yeah objection stop this yeah cut it out asshole knock it off because alex just has a tendency to launch it to meaningless speeches i mean it's just ridiculous you can pause it there who are you uh mocking there i'm just uh you have to understand that with these events all american gun owners being blamed for tragic events a blame if somebody runs over somebody with a car

all car owners and then so people get tired of being accused of things they haven't been involved in so then they become subconscious and then they start rejecting everything they're being told by the establishment media and the brain figures out ways to say it's not true this is too horrible to imagine children like that being executed and that's and i've talked about this before so real quick we'll get back to this meandering speech but the way that alex is describing this this is not questioning things no this is this is somebody who believes that a group that he identifies as being a part of is being blamed for things that they're not and then deciding that in order to not have to face that scrutiny that he imagines and not have to defend this group i will make things up

about events that i find threatening to do that group it's bizarre it's it's not it seems like if alex can articulate this then he should be able to take the next step and recognize that what he has done throughout his career that fits this mold is uh just bullshit yeah it's i think it's not questioning things it's not standing up to the establishment no in any way no no uh what's what it is uh i think and i it's it's something that we is is really under examined but i feel like what happened to the conservative right whenever everybody was like hey maybe racism and homophobia and all that stuff is bad right don't say that in public right they created a different language out of our language right you know they created this whole okay well we know what that at water

comment right we know what we mean when we say this right but the problem is let me say states right right we're really saying the n word exactly when i say questioning things i don't mean question things that's not my language right so we find ourselves in a situation where these two languages are complete odds with each other because alex's language is built entirely around lying about what the words mean yeah there may there may be uh we might need a linguist i mean kind of honestly peers through this you would need to understand all of the ways that they lie or that they tell each other the truth and lie to us i think you know i think that might be why um our like our understanding of alex is slightly different than a lot of other folks the immersion in the

language yeah of his bullshit yeah anyway here get ready for a bunch of that language great and the media ran with it but i'm i'm happy they did because it's really true that i didn't consciously get up there and try to misrepresent for a lot of people i've gotten somewhat better over the years because most of what i say is accurate and true and i've gotten better as the shows you've gotten so much more successful i've gotten older it's taught me how to do things better but i do not be well i know some of the psychosis and and i don't have a psychosis i said it's almost like a form of that and it's happening everywhere where people don't believe anything anymore from the corporate media or the government anything because they've been lied to so much

and it's really the system's fault that people have lost total competence or confidence in it and and it's a real crisis and i learned right around this time when i started pulling away from things like sandy hook and other events where they thought everything was a crisis actor and i was bow bridges uh and that i'm bill hicks and crazy people come into my office and you know saying i was covering up a shooting in texas and that i was there and i was this person and i just started thinking you know just because the media lies some of the time against things wrong and the government does doesn't mean every time it is and i saw the craziness from both ends the establishment wanting to censor want to stop anybody questioning you got everybody over here believing nothing they

say finding reasons not to believe it it's just it's like staring into the abyss you become the abyss and so i've been i've been honest about you know what what went on here and then as soon as i began to say i don't want those people on show you got the emails and stuff and i don't want people i don't want any more of that that those people said that i was on the government payroll and i was covering up sandy hook and and then they had a debate of mr johnson i have to stop you i'm just telling the truth here no you didn't even answer my question so i asked the questions the question i asked you uh i asked you don't you're gonna get everybody talking at the same time okay we're gonna play that and i'm gonna ask you the exact same question okay and i just want to answer my

question okay okay so one of alex's obvious strategies is just keep talking and hope people forget where this started right the question was who were you mocking in that clip right and and everything he was saying had nothing to do with that it was just talking and it's things that he is you know it's these rote speeches that he's given repeatedly it's these meaningless platitudes and you know it's it's really really effective because i think that generally speaking when you're not dealing with a lawyer who it doesn't care about your bullshit right um you're going to be able to keep talking until someone latches on to one of the things that you're saying and boom you're off the topic yep that you don't want to talk about yep alex doesn't want to recognize that

he was mocking uh this person yeah and uh all right it's not gonna work in this room but maybe maybe everywhere else i believe that every lawyer in america should listen to this uh not to learn anything but because they should all feel jealous of chris not because he got a billion dollar judgment which is fucking great i'm sure a lot of lawyers i bet would wish they had had a billion dollar judgment under their belt the only thing better is being norm and losing yeah exactly no what they should all be jealous of is the moment that chris got to bop bop bop bop alex fucking jones it is nice to bop bop bop bop bop bop so the subject of adan salazar's article the fbi says no one was killed in sandy hook right comes up and alex apparently learned that that article was bullshit

in a very interesting way um i don't believe the story at all okay uh but uh after alex tells this nonsensical story he throws a don under a bus hell yeah right now i'm just asking you okay about any conversation you recall having with mr salazar about this particular article sometime a few years ago before lawyers brought it up to me it was pointed out to me by somebody at a coffee shop came over and said you're a fucking piece of shit their laptop look at this they don't they the state police get the statistics the fbi doesn't do it you're gonna and then i remember going and saying something to adan about it and i remember like uh i remember that that was the first time i heard about it okay so and then and then the second

time i'll get to the second time i just want to situate in time this conversation that you had in the coffee shop i don't remember but somebody got my face about it okay um and then you obviously from there had a conversation with adan about it and you think that was before this lawsuit was filed uh was it yeah i think it was like right around before the time because it all got brought up when trump won right before trump won was when my sandy hook stuff got brought by the media nationally and so it was all back then and then somebody yelled at me uh some man and then i remember saying something to adan saying see i told you this is bullshit because we've argued about it i don't respect adan like adan he's a lot of big reporting all this stuff and it's just he kind of

has this thing about sandy hook and and i and i just remember telling him no more see see no more see no more this person yelled at me at a coffee shop no more adan wow yeah but adan wouldn't listen he just love talking about sandy hook so much i got a pitch for the next trials okay alex has to testify in a soundproof glass booth all right so we can see him there all right he's got two buttons red button green button yes no all right and if we need a more complicated answer there is a flap that will open when necessary that would be interesting i also think that um you know as i think more and more about this you know alex has this like pretend thing where it's like if only i could have gotten a trial sure like fuck you imagine if there was a court case and they got

to call people like adan uh all the damp adandy all these people to the stand alex would be he'd lose harder than a default it would be it would be worse yeah for him yeah this illusion of like if only i've gotten a trial like you're lucky you didn't get a trial i mean what they should do all that dirty laundry in a court setting like terrible idea terrible idea if it was a criminal trial the crimes would be just oh man man whoa whoa boy so the um wolf gang and alex's conspiracies continue um to be discussed and alex just can't answer any of the questions about the this bullshit that they've been saying wolf came w albert's our guest former state police officer the morpher dustins department and then over the last decades created one of the biggest most successful school

safety training groups and he just has gone and investigated this is probably his three dollar bill and they've been but man wolf can you drop the bombshell of your scores of points your 16 questions if you've got a school of 100 kids and then nobody can find them and you've got parents laughing on them they walk over some cameras not just one but a bunch of parents doing this and then photos of kids that are still alive they said died i mean they think we're so dumb that it's it's it's really hidden in plain view so i'm gonna ask you specifically about this claim you made that if you had a school of 100 you have a school of 100 kids and nobody can find the kids what are you talking about i don't remember the context of this years ago when you say you have

a not just one but a bunch of parents who are fake crying who are you talking about i don't remember it must have been some other videos or i wouldn't have said that when you say you have a photo of a bunch of kids who are still alive that they say died what photo are you talking about i don't remember which one that is aren't you talking about the super bowl photo that mr how big sent you that might be it maybe oh my god alex has already been deposed in texas and had a long conversation about that photo and uh how dumb it is so i mean the yaskier is very strange as if he doesn't like if you remembered that he should be like i can't like i don't know i don't remember he shouldn't say like i might be it well but all this is just like i don't know i don't know what

i was talking about i have no idea i must have based it on something because i wouldn't just make it up i mean that's a that's a problem that's a that's a problem of thought that's not a good thought process well again you don't want to recognize that you just make shit up yeah and um you know when you're faced with evidence of that you making shit up uh yeah i must have based it on something because because the the macguffin the the illusion of that there is something there yeah um is is powerful you know what this might be the ultimate test case for that that phenomenon of you know if you're confronted by somebody who thinks something differently than you your natural defensiveness makes you defend a position that maybe if you weren't locked in that

headspace you could slowly kind of tease your way out you know that kind of thing you know uh the more forceful you're you're disagreed with the more likely you are to disagree back with force you know what like of all the people who have studied that what would it take for alex you know to what would it take to nothing i mean like is there is it possible no you know like there's no possible way no i don't think from another person i think it would just take external circumstances yeah you need to find a position where it'd be more profitable for him to recognize things that's probably and that's that is fun that's but that's so fucked up that's like treating him like a fucking shark or a force of nature or something like i wouldn't i wouldn't say he's a

force of nature uh not force of nature but like something something that is is outside of any kind of control a shitty shark though yeah shitty an asshole shark shitty shark ba ba ba the shark the shark who doesn't even eat half of his she's like i like to throw it away yeah so they have data that shows that there was a giant spike in traffic on the day that a don's article and wolf gang was on right and that that corresponded with a big spike in revenue um and alex says something here that maybe he shouldn't have because it reveals a potential uh failure to turn over data oh man those crimes are tough to remember which ones are which this one's bad and it's so bad that uh norm tells him to shut up yeah that sounds right you you saw with me and you'd agree with me

that during a three-day period you published false report that the fbi had said nobody died at sandy hook you had a spike in traffic to your website correct yes and i could show you times when we covered sandy hook and we had less viewers it doesn't i don't know why they're you've got this here of them sending this back and forth out of their friends and i and i guess a don might have been a don's story he's like oh look my story did well but that's not me directing that i wasn't aware of it okay and i could show you a business manager tim fruget sending these uh this data about the performance of the website and i think that's ourselves i think and i don't know i forgot to ask about this that's fine but that's them

i guess wanting to know how the site's doing but i'm trying to do it pretty well but i'm gonna show what i can show you is because they've done an analysis is who's done these guys upwards of 80 of the time when we cover sandy hook we have a couple less money in the shopping cart no and traffic does not go up so you know that document it so that's something you can produce to us right oh yeah yeah okay great well why don't you tonight when you take a break i guess we're not to produce anything tonight well we'll take it norm if you have some sort of analysis documented showing that 80 percent of hang on let me finish hang on let me finish showing that 80 percent of the time that mr jones covered sandy hook he either had i don't know what he said flat

revenue or if there's some sort of document that shows a corresponding relationship between when you cover sandy hook is traffic that should have been produced storage storage storage for traffic and profit okay well i'll tell you what i have a little bit of that too mr jones and you cherry pick so as i'm saying is if i remember correctly that's where i'm saying is 2020 almost 80 percent of the time that's what i'm talking about is is it's in the lower end of the shopping cart so on average what data did you use did you do this analysis yourself that's a yes or no of the lawyers and analytics people trying to figure out did you do the analysis that you're discussing right now yourself no okay thank you they came

to me they said this is really this really mr jones i'm not i'm advising you not to waive any attorney claim okay well just you'll you'll see okay good norm had to object to just alex talking oh man yeah there's a lot of problems with uh the idea that this exists first of all yeah that's not good tons of data that wasn't turned over that was required to be turned over there is an internal uh definition within infors of the times that alex talked about sandy hook not good which would be interesting to compare to what they turned over seems like they didn't turn over everything yeah so this is this is deeply deeply problematic for alex if he's not just making shit up which he probably is just making shit up yeah i was gonna say that is nice for

that is a good like backdoor for all of alex's lawyers committing crimes is they could just be like ah he's lying about it and what are you gonna say yeah it's tough to yeah you're probably right he is probably lying about it fair point yeah so they end up looking at an article uh i believe it's the article the fbi article and alex sees a banner on it no for dna force alex does not have ideas does he does alex did you have ideas this late in the game alex gets it in his head that he can argue that the reason there was a giant spike in sales and traffic oh no is because dna force was back on sale are you are you telling me that alex is going to try and win this case in this deposition right here right now you bet he is so mr jones we just pulled up and i'm sorry this is

we just pulled back up exhibit 17 and what you can see is exactly what you described earlier that when you published this article you were running a 33 off sale on dna force plus which you're saying was recently back in stock right yes we okay and and you're advertising it on an article that was getting a spike in traffic that week to your website correct it was advertised on every page well you don't know that no no it's my we have you know you don't you can't say sitting here today under oath that that advertisement ran on every page of your website on that particular day is that your testimony yeah they loads into a computer and it places them on there whatever the new that is so we have a possible explanation that alex has found yeah for why there was a giant

spike in uh in sales because uh dna force was back on now this does not account for the gigantic spike in traffic that wouldn't necessarily correlate well let's calm it down there so there is some confusion but you know there's also an argument to be made that um you had a sale that you were advertising on uh article that was going viral that was a lie about sandy hook yeah so maybe that doesn't actually help but alex is so excited he's so thrilled that he's found a way to argue that that was a static banner and whatever we put there is everywhere that's the number one banner and as soon as dna force comes back in we always put it up because it's the best seller and if there are more people visiting your website and seeing that ad you're selling more of it right

yes but we absolutely but we didn't oh yeah yeah that makes sense we didn't premeditatedly have a don write that article because dna force plus was back i'm sitting there going why is that such traffic why because that's couldn't be anything viral articles don't by themselves sell style i go i've been a product came back in and i'm like boom dna force plus right there and i'm gonna be able to show you you go through the other times those those big spikes and it's going to be because a product that's been sold out there's five or six that are popular has come back in i know what sell stuff and it's the product they're buying right well and it's also your pitch right i mean you're you're your own best no we have it on auto ship okay so they want it and

so you have the first day the auto ship hits and that's why it's so big and then the people that want to get it and that's how it works okay um do you know how long this ad had been running by by september 2014 i'm not a good class system i mean i'm guessing because we see spikes on i don't want you to guess do you know in general mr jones mr jones we gotta try i'm just being completely honest with you all right he got so excited to be like i'm being completely honest with you because he found a way that he thinks is explanatory a way to get around this um very clear piece of evidence they've all had it they've all had one moment at least in every deposition that we've seen i dary i remember had a big one uh i can't remember exactly about what but i remember

all the sudden like because she's been there's the there's the ray of sunshine that comes through the window totally she'd been getting her ass kicked for hours and then all of a sudden she gripped on something and she was like i've got this you know and it's like how can you possibly be there why are you like up for sport what is happening why are you game to like see what you absolutely work on what are you doing just shut it down man like oh this one i can win what are you doing we're not in a win or lose situation situation it's not gonna happen that's not how this works it's gonna be a disaster for you you're an idiot so alex famously in his uh when one of the clips of him saying that sandy hook was totally fake with actors he claims that he

did deep research um and so chris matty now tries to figure out what was that research exactly but it took me about a year was saying that the kind of grips was the fact that the whole thing was fake i mean even i couldn't believe it i knew they jumped on it used the crisis typed it up but then i did deep research and my gosh it just pretty much didn't happen that's what you said at the end of 2014 right yep just a repeat of the other stuff all things together i do want to ask you about the deep research that you did i've admitted some of that was wrong but no but the the deep research that you did please don't deep research what did you do looking at the videos going over the information later i learned that some of those anomalies weren't weren't accurate enough said

that here looking at what videos all we've done here today was going over these things and i've admitted where i was wrong and i've told you that so you have to repeat over and over again if you want no no but you haven't shared with me i the the deep research that you personally going over you got to let me finish okay um we're almost at a break so let's just get through this this part here okay um you said that you did deep research all right um now i want to understand as comprehensively as you can tell me what that deep research included because that's what you told your audience you had done and that that research had led you to the conclusion that the whole thing was fake so what research did you do watching videos reading the transcripts interviewing people

in their views on it and uh you have to understand at the time it just come out this is all record like this thing for you that the government shipped tens of thousands of guns purposely into Mexico to get a high death count to be able to ban guns here operation fast furious that's why Eric Holder had to resign and just that whole background of other things coming out then it just looked to me like it probably was staged and and and i and i think that uh i think i was wrong about that i think i convinced myself of that uh pretty soon after this that has nothing to do with uh this there's no research i guess maybe he could pretend like i looked deeply into fast and furious but like that doesn't have to do with sandy hook unless you make it about it yeah that's you that's

the connection that you're making i watched videos what videos i don't know i watch i read transcripts what transcripts right i don't know right i mean anything that's that's a situation where you really have to like dig even deeper when you just use the word like okay before we get into deep research oh no no no what do you what is the word research mean to you like a regular research before we get into deep what's a regular research hear me out on this yeah ask ask me the question like i'm alex okay uh what deep research did you do i dug deep within my mind i took ayahuasca and i meditated and i spoke to the plant that makes more sense than anything else you've said so far why not why not just yeah no go far yeah i consulted my spirit guru yeah this is this is a problem

because they're in this situation where they feel like they're on a battlefield you know where they can go battle and maybe they can win or lose but reality is you either have you can either go like non-stop wall of just like i'm not answering i'm not answering i'm not answering or completely fictional commitment to not knowing anything right and asking alex the question like what deep research did you do you already know the answer obviously it's gonna be uh empty words yeah and it means i didn't do anything yeah exactly so so for alex it it makes they think that there's like a way out there's like some sort of way out and there's no way out the only way to play this game is not playing it for you yeah well you should have done stuff differently a decade ago

and every year since but also if you're in this position you should just cooperate and answer questions with yes or no and get through it yep because this is not helping i mean and the thing is they they they keep thinking like oh no the problem is they don't have enough context exactly yeah and it's like no if you said yes no to every question there are questions you would not have had to answer true tons many yeah you'd look less bad because you're making yourself look bad because yeah the reason you're here is because the things you did that made you make you look bad yeah like you think you're going to pill these lawyers it's not gonna happen amazing so um we get back to how big uh and and basically this is going chronologically throughout you know the the

events that had happened before sandy hook sandy hook alex's coverage of it as it goes through and so um at at this point how big is on and um he has uh revealed to alex that his wife does not believe him right right that was a fun one um and so uh alex has asked about this you did know having watched it that bluffing's own wife found him not credible on these claims correct i believe reminds me of it's watching that clip did that cause you to question whether mr halbig's own wife i think it started to yeah okay it started to um um but having heard that um mr halbig's own wife found him not credible you still

promoted mr halbig's website to your audience right i mean i think i learned about that right there on the show i was just being nice to him and were you just being nice to him when you sent mr bedondi up to connecticut just two months later to report on his activities i mean people wanted to know and i want to see those things you know i wanted to invite to see what's going on all right amazing so in june of 2015 now just two months later you send mr bedondi up to connecticut correct i don't remember the last time we had a whole debate about to certainly i don't i don't remember you know now we're talking about june of 2015 the last time we were debating this we were talking about 2014 i i've explained what happened that i didn't want to be mean to bedondi i think

was a bad person didn't think it was a bad person and i was saying we need to you know we need to by then certainly i was telling rob do and people that i did not want to sit there and have bedondi out to reporting for us good okay so for by june of 2015 you had said to rob do and others i do not want bedondi reporting for us that's your testimony yes i think it popped back up then i don't remember let's go to this week i just asked you whether i just asked you whether it was your sworn testimony it's not i said the best of my recollection okay well that's what we're here to figure out okay so your recollection is that by june of 2015 you had told rob do that you did not want damn bedondi reporting for you any longer yes i'd probably told him before that and i'm sure you'll

show me when he popped back up or if you did or i can't remember and and you didn't have that conversation with damn bedondi yourself at that time did you or did you know i know i told rob you told rob in prior to june of 2015 that you did not want bedondi reporting for you right yes okay well this is a trap um but uh it is interesting alex is like i was just being nice just being nice to these people hey what are you gonna do when all else fails fall back on politeness as you listen i'm a texas boy you just got to be nice if there's ever been a case for it's cruel to be kind this is it hey listen do you know what my uh here's my big failing with this whole sandy hook too nice too nice to people right too nice to the wrong people now you get burned

man it is it is weird listening to these these the these depositions uh after all of them really start coming in it's just like they don't want to be held responsible for anything they say nope and i'm not talking about anything they said about sandy hook i'm talking about if they were like hey listen i'm gonna go i think i just had a coke and you'd be like did you have a coke and they'd be like well i don't know for sure if i had a coke right it's like no just be responsible for one thing you say yeah i did a little mini am a on our facebook group and someone asked me if i ever made the lasagna i said i was gonna make did you no comment no you did not yeah what are you talking about no one said i had to make a lasagna like what are you doing yeah just it's weird yeah it's

insane very weird just one thing so alex is now staked position yeah that uh he was telling uh folks no more badandi he's staked a position that is unstakeable for alex well now uh we get to what will be the rest of the deposition uh which is discussing uh dan badandi and his trip to newtown in uh the 2015 right now this is pretty expertly done i would say i think that matty does a great job of well i mean he's already trapped alex with the putting a date on when he said stop it with badandi yeah yeah so now he plays alex some video of badandi and it's the video of him harassing the police chief right and yelling at him um and he gets he gets alex to uh you know talk about how bad this is you're aware that mr badandi did go up to connecticut in june of 2015

to report for you right no i'm not i don't remember all this um let's pull up exhibit uh 100 a please let's pause it right there you recognize the gentleman in the blue on blue striped shirt that's damadandi okay do you know who he's trailing and trying to ask questions no all right um um go ahead and keep that it was a truth radio show in the lower right hand corner yeah you see it has truth radio show dot com in the lower right hand corner yes and you see it as info wars dot com in the lower left hand corner yes all right um and you're aware that mr badandi sent this footage to info wars right i believe he published it

i don't remember exactly but he was doing his own thing then but still put info wars up and i behind the scenes and stop putting info wars on mr jones you published this video are you aware of that no okay so it's not true where do we publish it we'll get to it but it's not true that you didn't that he was doing his own thing and he wasn't up there for you objection you guys obsessed over this point i'm not the guy that damadandi is work for us i'm just denied i'm just denied a moment ago i don't remember exactly i believed it ended around them i knew i was telling them to stop having to do it like that so you could have been wrong about that i've told you this is all blur all right let's keep going yeah so it's this is

going to cascade as alex's illusions about uh what he did with badandi and their relationship become transparently alive yeah um and it's fun to watch i will be honest it's uh you know there's this stuff that's really heavy uh with like him refusing to say any names because he doesn't know any of the names of the children or right people who were killed um the outbursts and accusations like that's not really that makes me feel a little uncomfortable sure sure this delightful end it's uh real nice to watch alex try and wiggle his way around like i i didn't do this it does feel like he's so filled with skewers at this point chris might as well be an acupuncturist and now we're about to close the iron maiden door on his face yeah yeah so badandi's there and he's

being followed by a cameraman who uses some dirty language oh boy and the person who's operating the camera who is that i don't know okay is it your testimony that that person was was working as a contract uh camera man for you right no you sure about that i don't know i don't know that person okay let's keep going did you hear the the gentleman operating the camera refer to this person in front of him as a crooked corrupt piece of shit mf yes okay that's obviously not appropriate is it yeah that's right not good not good yeah probably shouldn't say that to this public official it's a piece of shit yeah yeah that's usually not a good one to go with yeah i would i know it's not in the handbook

so alex is being shown this video right so inappropriate right that he has no alternative but to say like yeah dan but dandy had gone rogue yeah sure sure sure he was using that info wars logo but he wasn't really never even he wasn't allowed to hey this is bad behavior we talked about this afterwards hr got on top of it my dad was right there he was not hr at that time i don't think but yeah he tries he's just trying to pretend like we had no relationship you know the information try to come up you want that right you people want to jail do you see that woman with the blonde here in the sunglasses do you have any idea who that all right let's play 66 b actually before we go you see the woman in the sunglasses

they're now the same one we saw before yes you said you didn't know who she was okay that's the that's pat lodra who was the first select man of new town at the time of the shooting okay okay does that matter to you i mean jamming down he was in this for his truth radio show putting info wars on it i was telling rob dude around this time before that i didn't want but dandy doing our stuff because i didn't like the way he was doing stuff that he did a little bit of that and also that's why i fired him then and then he just kept doing stuff as an auxiliary person i don't think he got i just i have to double get clear answers on all this and and so that's what's so you have asked people about it uh jones this footage actually let's let's keep going

go to hundred b i remember seeing this footage and saying you know tell badot he don't put in fours on the stuff sure sure you aired it correct myself yeah i don't remember that okay i really don't you agree having seen their conduct in there um that it's highly inappropriate everything we just saw correct well i mean our government lied about wmds and drag me story times highly are highly wrong i'm not this you know i know i'm like the villain and you guys are the heroes and everything but i mean i don't remember all the details of this i'm answering your questions honestly no you didn't just answer my question i just asked you whether the footage we just saw is entirely inappropriate objection i mean i that's i mean that's not i mean people can make

their own opinion out of that first amendment i'm asking you your opinion objection i mean i don't like how they were acting right but that's the cracking right i mean that isn't that what you expect out of the ambit on the objection no not stuff like that asking questions though okay well let's keep going with a hundred b yeah so i mean it's you know the do you have the deflection you know like oh i've been the master right it can't answer a straight question secondarily you have this video that alex is being shown that there is legitimately no way to defend no you know the nothing and alex can't spin this no there is just like uh if you're a cameraman calling people fucking pieces of shit no kid you have badondi yelling you're going to prison yep it's it's

this is not like anything you could stand behind and so it's tough it's disgraceful it's a tough position to be in and so alex can only be like yep i i didn't air this you did alex alex right now you are wearing an i-heart badondi tank top do you not understand what we are doing right here they had a bunch in the warehouse no you what do you mean you had a bunch in the laundry day that one says it you signed it you signed that shirt it raises the value i just signed all of them by back in the day um so um you know you've got uh these people who are making uh crime accusations right to people in new town sure that's an issue and so alex has posed the question of whether or not the first amendment protects you if you make uh false crime accusations

did you see mr badondi there accuse uh the chief of the new town police of perjury that's his first moment right okay and you but you saw him he accused the chief of police of a crime correct um yes and and you have no idea what the basis for that accusation was correct i'm dead um i mean i don't know the particular uh reason okay is it is it somebody's first amendment right mr jones to falsely accuse somebody of a crime all the democrats said let me ask you deflection is it your view that the first amendment uh protects somebody from falsely accusing somebody of a crime if that's his if that's his opinion um i don't know the context of it so i really can't comment on it after another context i'll give you my opinion

okay but you know that if if i were to accuse you of a crime mr jones and i have no reasonable basis for doing that uh that's not protected speech is it you claim you claim that because the judge says we gave you fraudulent financials it's true because she's the judge you know i i judge jury and execution i have a heart that's not america you know it seems mr jones that you're trying to um evade a very clear question i've asked you about uh the first amendment can you falsely accuse people of crimes with no basis now let me ask you a question dan is there any sort of law that says it is against the law to falsely accuse someone of a crime first amendment baby oh okay never mind so alex believes that you can do that to public figures

what if you lie see somebody committing a crime that's not protected by the first amendment is it it's different to say if you were mistaken or that person's a public figure i understand you guys want to brought it to get rid of the first amendment but it's not work america's already away what is the part of the public figure was he objection objection when he put himself out there after the shooting at press conferences he became a public figure and that gave you the right to lie about him you think i didn't worry about it all right um mr jones have you ever sued anybody for defamation i will now i don't okay so that kind of really seals the all the evidence you need that the i

don't remember i or i don't know answers aren't sincere yeah if you ever sued somebody i don't know um but yeah it was the that path of questions was devastating for alex he's saying that it's in your first amendment right to be able to make false accusations against public figures and then is robbie parker a public figure well robbie parker gave a press conference after the shooting and therefore became a public figure so you are then able to falsely accuse him of things yep well i didn't say that oops oh boy yep oh boy not good alex that was that was fun to see alex kind of it is it is always fun whenever like there's there's more than one step you know like to this this is a compound series of questions that all have a different circuitous route

to really pin him into this into this hole right here right and he doesn't understand when somebody's walking around him with in a circle tying tying a rope he doesn't get that he's like ah they're walking away from me so if i just hang on to this rope i'll never get caught yeah he he does uh does not seem to it's it's partially like it feels like obliviousness yeah partially feels like he doesn't care yeah um i don't know i i would i would say this if i was going to hunt alex jones all right not even a thought would be given to walking out into the forest with a gun not even a thought i would just lay traps everywhere and put pizza on things and i guarantee he would be caught what sooner or later yeah yeah yeah so discussing this footage the damped on the head from new town

i mean it's just uh alex can't deny it's a it's offensive stuff do you know whether info wars streamed this on any of its channels i don't believe so because i know when i saw this i remember saying fucking tell him to stop saying info wars i never say anything friendly about him again or hopefully he was going to change the subject because i knew he was going to be at the r and c then i didn't say oh damn we'll see you i'll be friendly i don't think damn's a bad person i just saw this stuff and i definitely got pissed off and said you know you need to tell him stop that don't put info wars on there i don't remember all the time frames or when remember there was a process of me you just said you just saw this footage right you just

testified on her oath yes it was sent in a second you just testified on her oath that you saw this footage and you use an expletive to whoever you were talking to say tell him to stop saying he's associated with info wars yes is that your sworn testimony i remember around this time i remember telling people that guy and then they believe what time was this i don't remember well then how the heck can you testify under oath just now let me get my question out how the heck can you testify under oath that you know it was around this time when you don't even know when this was i remember this was sent in and i said this that i don't like this and i remember and it took a while to get him where they stopped having him on you're the boss mr joan aren't you there's a lot going on

yeah you dared this footage did you not objection i don't remember that well if you looked at this footage when it came in and you saw how inappropriate it was and how much you didn't like it you certainly wouldn't air it would you if i did please show me the point is that's not the font we use if you agree with for our bug that's not the font it's a font gotcha you don't have that thing on them mr jones mr jones if you had seen this footage when it came in and you were so appalled by it you certainly wouldn't air it right ejection ejection if i did i was in a different state of mind and have an amnesia see no idea whether you did there you go uh there you go i don't i mean i please tell me okay and you don't uh have a recollection as you sit here today of telling anyone

tell dan badandi not to he doesn't work for us anymore he's not to use in for worse i remember telling rob do that yeah but you don't know when no i remember it happened very convenient yeah um so yeah i mean you can kind of already see like what needs to happen for the uh you know the stick to fall in the box yeah um so before we get to that um there's a string of questions that maddy asks basically about all of the things that dan badandi did in this video are these things inappropriate sure sure sure sure um so let's go ahead and enjoy that let's do a lightning round isn't this the reason mr jones that you lied when you testified in texas that mr badandi was not working for you when he went to sandy hook objection objection i didn't lie

if i get things wrong it's just a flood of stuff okay and i still don't know i don't remember well mr jones you'd agree with me that that was mr badandi harassing the chief of police on a public street in connecticut correct i don't agree with the way he did it but it's he's a public figure and this is what you sent him to do correct no okay um was it appropriate for one of your reporters to yell that somebody is a criminal on a city street objection objection no it's not appropriate for the now vice president people part of things now was it appropriate for you i think he said no it's not appropriate right he said more but you said no it's not appropriate for i'm asking you whether it was important i don't hear about anybody else the court reporter did i'm asking you

that the court reporter didn't hear his answer i'm asked for him to repeat it please repeat your answer mr jones why don't we do this first repeat the question i didn't get the whole question all right so i'm gonna ask you again was it appropriate for an info wars reporter to yell that somebody is a criminal on a city street yes or no objection if it's their free speech yes all right was it appropriate for an info wars reporter to what i recall the answer no no no no that's not that's not and repeat was that he didn't think it was appropriate for current vice president he did do something about okay great i'm happy thank you for telling me good work you got him so let me ask you this man pay that man 30 grand was it appropriate for an info

wars reporter to accuse someone of perjury on a public street objection he wasn't acting an info wars reporter in my in my in my view they okay answer my question i don't like them doing that but it's his first amendment would it have been appropriate for an info wars reporter to yell at somebody that they're trying to get an interview with have fun in jail criminal objection is that appropriate no i don't think it's good was it appropriate to say you're going to jail criminal was that appropriate no i don't think it's good was it appropriate to say you're going to jail for fraud objection objection that was his objection he's allowed to say that and you must have really not liked when they said info wars dot com the number one alternative news source

in the world that that's who they were working for you must have really not liked that i don't i don't remember probably probably didn't well i mean he probably did actually enjoy it because free pub yep yep he definitely enjoyed it yeah he loved it so it would be really unfortunate if there were a clip oh it would be so bad of like alex saying that he sent badandi to no there's no way that would be a clip because he told rob do to get that fucker off of that show right that's what he said to rob do he didn't enjoy it well that's what he said afterwards apparently right or maybe but now your uncle john do navy seal retired fbi agent works for successful security company i had missed this episode of the nightly news back on june 4th and then again

last week when you did an update and then i heard you talking about it yesterday i knew that we'd sent our reporter dam badandi there for days to cover the city council hearings about it see how you said that you had missed the report mr. do had done about this on june 4th yes and that you knew you had sent your reporter dam badandi up there and i went out saw it later i didn't like what happened so you sent mr badandi up there for the june uh hearing correct sounds like i did that's what i told you i don't remember the exact time i but i think then when i saw the footage i know that footage i didn't like and i said we we had the first time it sounded like to you like maybe you did send him up there was when i just played yourself yeah thanks for a

fresh moment before that you had told me under oath that you think you stopped sending it you think you never sent sandy hook right you keep saying under oath i don't remember you you showed it to me it's there i know at some point i told people don't cover this and i said don't have badandi on i mean i definitely changed that sample at least it wasn't before this right i don't remember so look there's this interesting dichotomy and that is um you can speak definitively about things once they're uh inspeutable yeah you know like once you show a video of like i sent dam badandi up there to do this now you can start talking you can say oh yeah okay i did that but then tell that point anything could be possible i don't remember i don't know i mean

it is it is a little bit like alex should stop at some point and be like listen we can play this game all day i'm gonna lie to you you're gonna know that i'm lying but i'm gonna keep doing it yeah just play your proof first and then i won't have to lie for 20 minutes we can get out of here boom boom boom get him i get it out you know it wouldn't go boom boom of course not absolutely not so we'll be funny though we have one more clip here and uh it's uh about this uh video of uh rob do's uncle um and uh yeah this this looks bad for alex uh oh all right go ahead keep playing that lines they'd say for themselves mystery sandy hook victim dies again in pakistan photo of child killed sandy hook shows up in pakistan school shooting multiple rallies yeah i mean

ladies and gentlemen we are on something big here let's go ahead and go part of this clip with your uncle um this is john due uh our news director's uncle that we just suddenly see at the sandy hook hearing with our reporter here's dan badani and what do you think uh you witness the whole hearing now would you hear what i'm saying to him no no but the plane here today what did you think the whole thing very strange very strange situation yes yeah so we expect to come out of this you think they're gonna try to cover this up or is this gonna be one of them i really don't know i've never seen anything like this yeah and again i wish so that's dan badani right on the day of footage that we just watched correct that's right we're in the same shirt right

so he put they put that out i don't know what that is i just want to make sure um that that's the same day right i'm guessing it is and the person he was interviewing was rob dues uncle yeah yes all right now you claimed that rob dues uncle former fbi agent uh was investigating sandy hook right he said he was looking into it yes well no i'm saying what you claimed you said that an fbi agent was investigating sandy hook right i said former fbi agent was looking into it let's play it oh boy i'm glad that donnie was there a great job i wish he would have gone on yeah you just hear he said that donnie did a great job i've seen the other thing they put out on his show all right well oh boy that fell apart a little bit for alex oh boy so um the uh

deposition is at this point basically reached uh it's its end point where where we break for the day yep and we come back at at another point for another round of questions with alex we'll see if you find that bloomberg email we'll uh i don't think so see if he uh gets any of the things that he promised he would uh he would uh produce uh see if he figures out when he fired bedondi you know what's great about these now especially now okay is during these depositions in the past i've been like man i hope these guys lose a lot of money but now in the future i get to be like dude that answer cost you one billion dollars you fucking idiot that dumb answer was part whatever part it was it was a part of a billion yep yeah let's itemize your shitty answers for

how much they cost you that'd be fascinating yeah it would be it would be so um i mean there's been a lot in here there's a lot of kind of new information a lot of uh retreading of uh some of the stuff that we've seen before some outbursts of course uh just a just a wild um bit of uh interview yeah um i will say i have watched the other days of course and um the second day um i mean it's not disappointing if you're if you're thinking it's gonna slow down it's not it does feel like it's chaos it does feel like after listening to a day after being in a day of depositions of this you have a night to sleep on it you go out you go have dinner with norm and a shitty conversation about whatever uh sarnav brother is dating his niece now

well tamerlan's dead yeah well uh but why don't you think okay here's what i could do better there's no room for improvement honestly he nailed it 10 out of 10 perfect job just how could i make this smoother or less painful less painful don't you don't you dislike pain no because he has that uh miracle juice uh whiskey that's good and that keeps him happy um and um yeah i had a couple of uh out of context drops that i wanted to play but and i forgot to at the beginning so here they are they may annoy you in the future okay i like dan so there's one okay um and then here's the other one dan it's really funny in ways yeah there we go there we go unfortunately no one named geordian came up so no never gonna happen never gonna happen all the

compliments that dan bought him but yeah he's unfortunate that um yeah i do have to take compliments that were meant for bedon that is what's funny about that is how alex was talking shit about bedon d in the deposition removing all of the compliments that bedon d received only to then bestow them upon you by accident yeah fantastic so um we'll be back uh i believe on our next episode we'll uh take on day two indeed um but uh until then we have a website we do it's knowledge right dot com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fights yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i i already did condo yeah i did sublet time share time share time share in the brain uh oh i don't know come to the seminar

we'll see we'll see if we can sell you on this vacation home that you have to share with people re-bottle it tequila if you stick through it again that is true it's not a scam and now here comes the sex robot andy and chanzas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you