Knowledge Fight - #745: Formulaic Objections Part 10

Episode Date: November 9, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan go through Day 2 of Alex's deposition in the Connecticut trial. In this installment, Alex continues to pretend to not really know Dan Bidondi, claims he has no idea what businesses he owns, and eventually resorts to doodling to self-soothe.

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I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up?

What's your bright spot, buddy? My bright spot today, Jordan, is, well, we're recording this on Tuesday, and that means that as we're recording, I don't have to be watching Alex's livestream that I am drawn to like a moth to a flame. Nice. No, but seriously, my bright spot is cereal again. I have mentioned that I've been getting into cereals, you know, I'm in a cereal phase. We've discussed cereals, yes. And so there have been some that have been a little bit off the wall. The Frosty cereal, the Wendy's Frosty cereal, for instance.

I'm sorry, what? Yeah, that was pretty good. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Not bad. That's amazing.

Yeah, there was a, I think, a Frosted Flakes strawberry milkshake flavor. Jesus Christ. Not good. Out of control. Yeah, they've lost their minds. Flavors are out of control. Yeah, and so I got one that it was a Tricks, but it's like, I guess sort of Jurassic Park themed or something, but it also has marshmallows. Okay.

So it's Tricks, but with marshmallows. That are also dinosaurs. Yeah. Yeah. Dinosaur footprints or something. Sure. Everybody is putting marshmallows in their cereal in a way that is inappropriate. Right.

I'm waiting for, like, I don't know, kicks to throw marshmallows in or smacks. You can't, can't, no. Put marshmallows in smacks. No, anybody puts some marshmallow in a smacks is going to get a smack from me. King of vitamin, but with marshmallows. It's just constant. It's offensive on some level. They just won't stop putting marshmallows in things.

Oh, we're going to walk through the granola aisle next week and there's going to be marshmallows and everything. Yeah, you're probably right. So, but I couldn't, I couldn't resist trying this and I had forgotten the Tricks sucks. It's not a good cereal. And even in that fruit sort of world, yeah, it's much better. Right. Also, I was thinking about it as I was eating it. I hate tricks.

Like just as a whole, I hate the idea of it. I mean, it's an abusive cereal. The whole marketing campaign is about excluding this one rabbit. I feel like you are accidentally proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that tricks are for kids. Right. Because you're, you're an adult man and you find them wrong. I find them morally. Yeah, I find them not good to eat.

I find them not good to think about. Um, yeah. So fuck them. Yeah. Tricks sucks. Tricks are, Tricks aren't even for kids. Yeah. Making that pronouncement now.

Honeycomb, but with marshmallows. Get the fuck out of here. No, no, absolutely not. Uh, so is your bright spot. Uh, my bright spot is, uh, I got to hang out and see my old friend, uh, Leah Berman last night. Oh. And we were talking and, uh, catching up. Catching up.

I was at an open mic, catching up, uh, old, old timey style. I found out two things. One, Kelly Clarkson has a TV show and two, Leah Berman was on it baby. I think I saw that on Twitter or something. Yeah. Maybe on Facebook. I saw like some stray post or something. I thought it was like, well, that's, I mean, I already knew Kelly Clarkson had a show.

I did not know that. But yeah, I saw that she and some other folks were on it. Fantastic. Pretty cool. Fucking Leno. Oh, he's 8,000 years old now. I mean, his hair used to be salt and pepper and now his face is white, you know, like the whole thing.

Sure. It's all taken care of. But isn't that really cool? Yeah. It's really cool. I was trying to think of a Kelly Clarkson song. Uh, uh, Leah was waiting for a moment like that. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Who did since you've been gone? That was Kelly Clarkson. Oh, okay. Yeah. I thought that was weird. Really? Oh man.

Here I am. Once again. I'm torn into pieces. Can't deny. Can't pretend. Just thought you were the one. Okay. Broken up deep inside, but you don't get to see the tears.

I cry. All right. And these hazel eyes. Okay. Yeah. That one. That was Kelly Clarkson. I've never, I've never intentionally listened to a Kelly Clarkson song.

I don't hook up. There was no Kelly Clarkson song. Sorry. When did this happen? When did, when did your nineties hip hop turn into 2000s? Regular. They were concurrent. I loved a lot of pop along with my hip hop stuff.

Sure. Um, fun fact about Kelly Clarkson. What's that for kids? Uh, yeah. I watched one episode of the first season of American Idol. I turned it on. Saw Kelly Clarkson. I'm like, that's the winner, baby.

I was right. That's nice. That's always nice. I think I, uh, I'm not sure. I watched one episode of another season. I think I might've called that one too. One of the later ones. Did Bo Bice win his season?

I don't remember watching it. But yeah, Kelly Clarkson was clearly the person who had like that thing, whatever, you know what it is. Yeah. That thing that like, uh, The star power, star quality. The star quality. Yes.

Yeah. Justin Guarini did not. Did not have it. And I saw it from Justin to Kelly. So did I. Yep. I think two or three times in the theater. Well, you were working at the theater.

Yeah. Yeah. I almost. Yeah. I watched. I watched it. I also smoked a lot of weed back in time. I worked at a theater and I smoked a lot of weed.

So we maybe laughed our asses off at that. Totally. Anyway, Jordan today, um, we will be singing the greatest hits of the nineties and 2000s. Of course. We're taking a break from Alex. I'm just going to acapella up. No, uh, today we're going to be finishing up, uh,

some Alex's deposition stuff. So we are back in the Connecticut deposition. So we're going to be talking about day two here. We might do a wrap up of day three and four. There is some stuff in there, but this is enough for an episode, quite frankly. Um, so, uh, last we left off, Alex was under oath. Yes.

And, uh, Yes. Having to wrestle with the fact that he sent Dan Badandi to, uh, Newtown and was pretending that, uh, I don't know if I was connected to that at all. Hey, when I saw his reporting, I thought it was terrible. Yeah. Um, but, uh, then he is complimenting the reporting on air.

Overall summary, he did not have a good first day. Like a red, like, you know, when you have a first day at a new job, you make some mistakes. People are training you, but that's part for the course. Right. So he's had his first day. He's really fucked it up. And now coming back for the second day to really buckle down and do his job. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. You know, like the first day he was off on a bad foot. Sure. Second day he's coming in as miss independent. Absolutely. Nailed it. Um, so before we get down to business on this, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks.

Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Carl Barks, the policy chunk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next.

Mr. And Mrs. Deaningins. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next.

Hey, right guy. I'm a freaking policy walk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next.

Bent the third foot. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And happy seven year anniversary to my wonky partner, Natalie from corn dog.

Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. You know what the seventh anniversary is? Oh, gift wise. Uh, is that the, uh, was that the plastic university? No, it's a copper or wool.

Traditionally. Okay. Did you know they also have a modern, uh, version of it? They've got updated on this. So this is like a thumb drive anniversary. It's close. It's a desk set.

That's weird. That is, that is strange. But that's coming off of last year's, uh, modern gift for the sixth anniversary. Yeah. Wood objects. Hmm. Just.

That's a general. Yeah. That should be one of the traditional ones. Yeah. Cause the fifth anniversary traditionally is wood. Okay. Okay. This is my problem.

Hmm. Who is deciding this? Well, the traditional ones I think have been like long time. Uh, like Ben Franklin, like a farmer's almanac. Is that what we're talking about? It wasn't Ben Franklin. It was Ben Franklin. Okay.

Um, and now, yeah, they have the modern one. The modern ones are kind of dumb. I think actually desk set is the fun. Like we may have lucked out seventh anniversary might be the best one in terms of being a bizarre gift. That's disappointing. I feel like it's, it should be weird tech stuff as it goes on. And if it's modern times, I think obviously your 20th

anniversary is like the dildo anniversary where you're like, we're going to experiment, you know, it's been 20 years. Weird anniversary. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's when it's time.

No, it's platinum. Fair enough. Unless you want to go traditional, then it's China. Oh, I was going to say that one was dildos. Gun to my head. I don't know what a desk set is. It's a set of desks. Multiple desks.

You're employees. It's a test set for your employees. We also have a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So Fra Paul supports a technocracy that keeps the human horror out of fish people's eyes. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk.

Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayor sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. So this takes place the next day. I was incorrect. They regroup for another, like, catch up for the deposition. I believe it was day three after Alex had gone on vacation. I got that mixed up.

I thought it was between day one and two. But these are actually back to back days. And I have a couple of out of context drops because I couldn't pick one. So here's the first one. I mean, you're a thoroughbred ambulance chaser. I'd call you a vampire. Okay.

Okay. Okay. All right. Who are you going to say to that? What a fun, what a fun weird resigned. Like, just to hear something like that back in you and be like, all right. All right.

Okay. I guess I'm a thoroughbred ambulance chaser vampire. I suppose that's who I am. And here's the other one. Have you read the WikiLeaks? No. Wow, he really ought to. Bro, have you read the WikiLeaks?

Oh, shit. You have not. Oh my God. Change my life, man. Dude, you got to read the WikiLeaks. Yeah. It's just, I mean, the structure of it, the characters. Benicio del Toro shows up and you're like, that guy's great.

All right. So we started off sort of catching up from something that happened the day before, which of course was the Bloomberg email. Sure. Alex had discussed this. He did not have it. They're bringing it today.

I thought maybe, but it turns out he didn't do anything even to try to find it. Nice. Mr. Jones, do you recall during your testimony yesterday, you repeatedly referenced an email that you claimed Mike Bloomberg had sent the day before the Sandy Hook shooting, telling people to get ready? I meant like one of the gun control groups he was finding,

yes. Can you recall that email though that you were talking about? I vaguely remember. I've never called talking about it. Okay. And did you do anything last night to locate that email? No, I didn't. Okay.

And you recall testifying yesterday and seeing videos of yourself claiming that you had records and emails showing that the Sandy Hook school was closed prior to the shooting. I said I'd seen articles and some, I believe some kind of analytics, but I can't remember the exact thing. In fact, I like to correct something. Hold on a second. I didn't ask you about that.

Your attorney, by the way, is going to have a chance to ask you any questions. Okay. If you need to correct anything, I'm sure you can talk to them about that. I'm asking you specifically about the records and emails you claimed that you had showing that Sandy Hook Elementary School was closed prior to the shooting.

Did you do anything to locate either those emails or those records that you referenced yesterday? No, I didn't. Okay. I didn't get home until about seven. I was exhausted. That's six central, right? Yes.

Okay. And that's where your team is in Texas, right? Yes. I was a little twist of the night. We could call them, right? No, they'd make it home by about six. Well, you had time to make a video yesterday about your deposition, didn't you?

I did, but after what? And so you had time to do that, but you didn't have time to go and look at these records and emails showing that the Sandy Hook School was closed. I shot a video in the parking lot at the hotel. That's right. And then you arranged for that to be spliced and broadcast on your website, right?

Objection. I don't think they call it splicing. Yeah. Okay. That's why this is just like a guy falling down like a hill and hitting every rock on the way down. Yep. Yep.

Excuse is like, oh, I was so tired. It was at seven. Is that six central? Yeah. I guess it is. That's where your team is, right? They could have looked it up. You know, they all went home.

You had time to shoot a video, didn't you? Yeah. I guess I did. And then they edited it together. All right. They don't call it splicing. I appreciated. I appreciate his commitment to not letting up.

Like not one second. Is it just going to be fine? Nope. Nope. You explain every moment of your day yesterday. And when you lied to me, I'm going to tell you what I saw. I was there. Yeah.

If you're Alex, you can't relent question one, you know, right here, you can't, you can't get on your back foot because then if you do the whole rest of the day is done. Yeah. Yeah. He's going up kicking his ass and then he knows I'm not going to have a good day. Yeah.

So Alex, he needed to splice that video together because he had two camera people with him. You had two camera men shooting that video you did yesterday. Yes. Who were they? Um, it was, uh, it was Rob do. And it was a race. Again, I had 12 brown six last night.

Why'd you bring Rob do with you? He's a consultant and, uh, he just goes on trips sometimes with us. Rob do was another one of your employees who, um, claimed that Sandy Hook was a hoax. Correct. Yes. Uh, and so you could ask Rob do about those emails and records showing that the school was closed.

Sure. Seems like it. Did you ask him? No. Okay. She didn't make any efforts at all to get those records and emails yesterday. Right.

I actually did a little bit myself and we were able to find some of the stuff you asked for, but not that particular thing. Are you claiming that you yourself personally did something to locate the emails and records showing that Sandy Hook school was closed? Yes. What did you personally do? Um, I sat there at dinner, uh, with Rob and I said, we've got to try to locate that.

We did some online poking around. Couldn't find it like the last time we tried. Okay. Yeah. That's, that's quite a bit of work. He did. I sat there at dinner and I told Rob, Rob, we got to get this done, buddy.

This has got to happen. All right. It's fascinating to see this kind of like the way he's articulating this, because he's didn't put any effort into finding it. Cause he knows that this doesn't exist. Yeah. Isn't a real thing. And so why waste your time with that?

He still has to pretend like, oh yeah, we put in some work to try to find. It's a real thing. Right. Totally. We just can't find it. It is, it is a bit like you, you know that his childhood was different because I remember if I was trying to lie about how I didn't do

something to like a second grade teacher, they saw me coming a mile away because I was seven years old. Right. And he is still seven years old and somehow he's just going to keep going. You know, like when I was trying to lie in second grade, eventually I'd be like, you know what, you got me. Yeah.

Well, I think a teacher has a little bit more limited time than someone who has all day in the deposition. That's definitely true. I'm going to let you spin those wheels. Yup. Cause you're going to end up saying something that contradicts yourself. You went from teacher to principal to psychiatrist.

So we know that Rob do long for the trip. Sure. Rob do's uncle also was in new town for that Wolfgang Howe big press conference. The Dan Badan D went to. Right. Alex is asked whether or not he actually spoke to Rob do's uncle and it's weird.

He seems to not know for sure. How can you not know? I don't know. I wanted to go back to the video that we looked at yesterday kind of towards the end of the day, the video that you titled retired FBI agent and investigate Sandy Hook mega massive cover up. You remember that? Yes.

All right. And that retired FBI agent was John do correct? Yes. You never spoken to the man, right? I may have talked to him on the phone before your testimonies. You don't know what I don't remember. Okay. And you don't have any idea what if anything he did to investigate

Sandy Hook other than showing up at that freedom of information commission hearing correct? Yes. And you've had no further conversations with Rob do about what his uncle may or may not have done related to Sandy Hook. I have had conversations with you have when were those conversations over the years. And again, last night, I was asking him about, Hey, we ought to try to

talk to him about what he said. And I kind of asked him more about what specifically he said. Just basically the same thing that he never seen government people so tight leapt and so non willing to talk about anything. This is what Rob do said to you last night that his own son said to him. Yes. Same thing I said before.

And how recently had Rob do spoken to his uncle about it? As of today. Okay. How recently did Rob do last speak to his uncle? He actually said he recently talked to him about Sandy Hook. No, he just said, Oh, yeah, I'll just talk to another day. He's doing great. Okay.

Did he indicate that my office had reached out to his uncle? No. Okay. So that that Rob do didn't share with you. No, he just said, how is your uncle? He's fine. Let's talk to him the other day. So if you're Alex, you got to be a little bit confused by that

because Maddie is saying that they reached out to Rob do his uncle and this wasn't communicated by Rob to Alex. Right. It could mean that the plaintiff's office had spoken to uncle do. Yeah. Or it could mean that uncle do is avoiding them and Alex should probably say, I don't know. I haven't talked to him in a while.

I don't have no information about this. Yeah. Either either prospect isn't really great. Sort of optically here. Right. Right. Especially when you add to it the like what we heard on our last episode about this.

Alex's dad dodging subpoenas. Yeah, of course. I don't have you. There seems to be a pattern of people just like, I don't want to talk to you. Absolutely. Not coming in. No.

I mean, of course I can't remember the last time I talked to Rob do his uncle because last night I said, Hey, guys, let's pretend he doesn't exist and get him out of the country. You can't talk to anybody. Why would I tell you that I'm committing witness tampering? Yeah. Rob do his uncle actually only speaks Klingon now. So I'm going to be able to listen.

We're the ones who are really hurt by him only speaking Klingon. Remember the last time we got together for a family dinner. Didn't understand a word of what he's saying. So you think you're mad. So a lot of the questions obviously towards the end of day one had to do with Dan Badandi, right? Because, you know, the Kraken is really central to a lot of this. Yeah, he was.

Yeah. And so this is explored a little bit more here. Like, well, let's get, let's get into some of the dynamics of how Badandi was doing what he did. And then the next month in July of 2015, you sent Mr. Badandi up there again to be with Mr. Halbig, right? I mean, I know, I know he went up there some. I don't remember when or how.

Okay. But I'm saying, you know that after that June hearing that we saw yesterday, you then sent him up to Connecticut again to report for Info Wars, correct? I don't remember. You can refresh my memory. So to clarify just really quick, the hearing month prior that is being referred to is the one where Rob Do's uncle was there and where Badandi

was yelling at people and Alex in day one of his testimony said, I saw that and fuck this. Right. You know, like I was offended by this. Totally, totally. No more. So this is a month after that. Gotcha.

Let me pull up exhibit number 38. You see this email from Rob Do to Dan Badandi sent July 8th, 2015. Yes, we read it. Okay. Okay. So you can tell from this email, can you not that Mr. Do was actually telling Dan Badandi? I'm sorry.

There is more. Yeah. Would you like to see the rest? After good luck do. Go ahead. I'm sorry. Yeah. I see it.

Thank you. Okay. So you see there Mr. Do telling Dan Badandi to live stream his coverage of the Halbyk hearing to the Alex Jones channel. I see it. Yeah. Yep. And of course, Mr. Badandi would not have any authority to live stream to

any of your YouTube channels. Unless he was reporting for infowars, right? Yes. I mean, I told you, I don't remember when and how I was following this Rob was running it. Right. Well, you're Rob's boss, are you? Yes.

And we just saw. I'm not putting any responsibility off on the Rob. I'm just telling you, I don't remember all this. Right. Right. But at least we can agree having seen this email that as of this time, Mr. Badandi was still working as a reporter for infowars. Right.

If you showed me this yesterday, I would have said that then. Yes, here it is. I now cannot deny this. I was going to say very clearly to me. So now we now I can answer that question because there is no way out for me. I do feel like I do feel like at dinner, we've clearly discussed a strategy of skipping from the like, I'll just deny something and then watch them play the video to Alex being like, I don't remember.

Are you going to play the video now? There are a couple points where he does that, but he does have the same like still Alex. There are a couple times where it's like he like Maddie is using very specific terms. And if you're Alex and you hear those terms and the way the question's being phrased, it's like, I'm just about to get hit with the video of me saying that.

I know it's coming. Absolutely. But he doesn't seem to see it coming sometimes. Nobody else sounds like him when you ask, when you do. So if you ask him, did you say something like crazy aliens are coming to kill everybody? And he's like, never heard of that. Well, then obviously you're going to play the clip of him saying crazy

aliens are coming to kill everybody. Yep. He just can't smell those traps sometimes. So Alex tries to play a little wiggle game here with Baddandi and the timing of firing him. It just does not work. Of course not. You authorized Baddandi to go up there on your behalf earlier.

I guess I did. And Rob do your news director did here. Right. All I know is that sometime I saw him yelling at people and I said, that's horrible. And I don't like that. I tell him, stop. And I don't want to use him anymore.

And that's just, that's what I remember. And that I remember though, that a few times I'm like, why is Baddandi back doing reporting? And they're like, well, he's doing better or whatever. That's my vague memory. And I'm being honest with you. And so that's what I remember. I just want to make sure I understand this.

Are you, you seem to be saying on the one hand you're speculating on the other hand, you know, you have a vague memory of it. I don't remember exactly when I finished my question. Okay. Yeah. Cause I think you're anticipating me and I appreciate it. I take it that your testimony is that although at some point you believe you instructed people who work for you.

That Dan Baddandi should no longer be used. You don't know when you did that. Is that fair? Yes. Okay. And you don't know why you did that. No, I do. I told you it's because of what he was doing.

That's what Rob said last night. I said, when did I say to get, stop using him? And he said, when he went to those events and he altered the people. That's what he remembers as well. I know you're going to talk to him. He can tell you about it, but that's, that's what the best I remember. Okay. Rob do at dinner.

He backed me up. He said exactly the same thing that I'm saying here. I do like, I do like all the documents and all the evidence has gone for Alex to just being like, Rob do agreed with me at dinner last night. Yeah. That's, do you need more proof? You know, um, in my culture, uh, dinner is sworn testimony. That does sound true in the Patriot community.

You cannot lie at dinner. You break bread with the man. You share salt. You cannot lie to him. How do you not know this? Well, case closed. So Alex seems to be trying to, I don't know if it's intentional or if he just doesn't understand the, the video that was streamed on Alex's channel.

Yes. Uh, was the second time. Which is after the video of Bdonde yelling at people. Alex seems to want to make it the first one. Right. Because it looks better. Yeah. It does.

It looks way better. It looks less guilty. Yes. Several years difference between the two does not look good. And so Maddie is trying to explain to him, this is the second one. Right. You didn't, I don't know if Alex is picking up on it. We have text messages that I'm going to show you shortly in 2016 in which your

wife is at that time telling Dan Bdonde that he should no longer represent himself as an enforced reporter in 2016. I know it went on for a while. Yeah. Well, it seems as though you had the footage from a month before this hearing in July in which Mr. Bdonde was a costing people. And a month later, he had permission to live stream a similar hearing over your YouTube channel.

So it probably wasn't after you saw that footage. Right. No. I don't think I remember getting upset that he still kept popping up in there. And then I remember Rob saying he's not officially working with us now. You know, he's just, he's, it was just basically feeling sorry for him. It's not good. I've already said that.

You gave Dan Bdonde access to live stream material to millions of people over your YouTube channel because you felt sorry for him. By this time, memory serves. Like, I'd like to correct something. Like I said, I thought Rob, you went to that event. That's how my memories all messed up on this. Well, maybe you shouldn't testify under oath if your memories all messed up. So Alex is trying to sort of change the subject by being like, I need to correct

something about that. I said about Rob being there. Totally. I understand. Which is a good tactic. I think if you're, if you're sitting there and you know, I think, I think that every lawyer kind of has different things. Sure.

And if I had said something and Maddie responded with, well, I'd be fine. Yeah, I'd run. I'd run. I'd run. All right. All right. Put the handcuffs on. Well, I do like the explanation of their business practice.

It's exactly like banks, you know, you know how when you fire a bank teller, they have to run the bank for a day before they can leave. It makes perfect sense. Cause you feel bad for the fire. Yeah, absolutely. A couple months later, a year later, they just get a couple hours to show up and be like, Hey, this bank is cool. Yeah, that's the way you do it.

Bye. That's what they do. Very weird. Yeah. So we get to talking a little bit about Alex's payment and how much money he made in certain years. And so the year 2015 comes up and here's Alex's monetary situation. Now in 2015, you yourself had another good year.

You drew 8.3 million in compensation from your company. Right? I need to see the document. Let's pull up exhibit 25. Looking at 2015, do you see your draw in 2015 was 8.3 million dollars? Yes. Thank you. And you took a salary on top of that of $97,000.

Right? Yes. All right. And then in addition to that, you received a distribution as a result of your interest in PLJR. Correct? I don't know. Okay.

We talked a little bit about PLJR yesterday. And I think your testimony yesterday was you weren't quite sure what it was. But let me ask you a few more questions about that. So there'll be some questions about this, but just sort of the brief version of it is Free Speech Systems is the parent company that Info Wars is actually. Right. Free Speech Systems is the name of the actual company, presumably. That's where you incorporate.

Yes. And so they sell supplements that are sold like from PQPR, which is owned by like Alex and his parents. Right. Then PLJR is another company on top of that that owns PQPR, and it's owned by Alex and his mom. Okay. And then there's AEJ Trust, which has like a large interest holding in PLJR.

Sure. Basically, all of it is just the sort of nesting doll thing, but all just businesses Alex and his family. Right. Right. So that's the dynamic, sort of the brief version of it. It is like the dumbest way of doing a Cayman Islands tax dodge or something, like, because it feels like you're doing this to hide who owns it.

But it took like five minutes to be like, Oh, well, you own this and you own this and the owners of the AEJ Trust, buddy. Yeah. It's your initials. Yeah. Yeah. You might as well have called it a thick neck Texan LLC. Oh, you know, we found out that we found all of Chow Chesky's money because it was

his initials on the goddamn account. I just imagine him going to like his account and being like, give me a Swiss bank account. Like those are, those are what you think they are. That's not how this works. So there's a put my money where the Nazi gold is. So Alex has an accountant named Lydia Hernandez and she is somebody who is kind of an all purpose player at Info Wars. She handled a lot of different things throughout quite a, quite a stretch of their, their business

time. An email from her comes up as it relates to PLJR and it's so weird how Alex seems very reluctant to praise her. You see this email from Lydia Hernandez to your father, Dr. Jones. You see that? Yes. She says, Dr. Jones, I printed out some of the reports and placed them on your desk in an envelope marked personal and confidential.

And you see that attached to this email is a spreadsheet titled 2015 to current distribution worksheet. You see that? Yes. All right. So Hernandez is your former free speech systems accountant, correct? Yes. Okay.

She also had a number of other jobs. She did some HR work, right? For you? Yes. She was kind of an all round troubleshooter, correct? Yes. One of the best you ever had. I mean, she was a nice lady.

Yeah. I mean, you've called her amazing, right? I don't remember that. Okay. What? You'd agree with it? She's a nice lady. What?

Is there some reason you don't want to acknowledge that at some point at least you thought that she was an amazing employee? I think she's a very nice lady. That's what you said. All right. She's a nice lady. I genuinely don't know why or how or what. I don't want to say that she's like really competent and good as an accountant in case

I need to throw her under a bus like that. Doesn't that seem like that's what he's doing? Yeah. I don't know exactly where these questions are going and I might have to say bad things about her. She may be, if you're asking me to confirm that I think she's amazing, that suggests to me that there's some sort of crime that I need to blame on her. Yeah.

Yeah. And since she's come up, this is going to be a great opportunity to bust the road. Yeah, totally. But I can walk it back if I just say she's a nice lady. She's a nice lady. I told you she was a nice lady earlier. Criminal as of the day is long, but a nice lady. Criminals can be nice.

Everybody knows that. Totally. Comments are nice. Yeah. Come on. So Alex doesn't know anything about any of these numbers and he resents the insinuation that he does. And we're going to go to the tab of this spreadsheet that says distribution.

And do you see here, Mr. Jones, on column A it lists 2015 and then in column C it shows dates of distributions paid out of PQPR. Do you see that? Yes. And those distributions went to two other entities, JLJR and PLJR, correct? I think so. I mean, are you familiar with this distribution scheme you have here where PQPR is making distributions of its proceeds to two corporate entities, one of which you control?

Objection as to form. I mean, I don't really follow all those accountants in the CPA do it, so. Okay. That seems just impossible to believe. Yeah. You know, like most business owners, he's not really interested in whether or not there's money here or there. That's somebody else's problem.

He texts Tim Fruge every day asking for sales numbers. Sure. Sure. But he's not really all that interested in the business. It's not about the money. He has no idea what these companies even are that are like if he, oh God, like if that were true, which it's not sure if it were true, he would be the perfect mark. Yeah.

I mean, just take him for everything totally. It would be so easy if you had no idea what all of this structure existed for. Holy shit. I mean, frankly, if this were true, then Lydia Hernandez should have taken several hundred million dollars for me. She would have. Yeah. Would not have been difficult.

Yeah. Nice lady though. I put it in LH trust. So you don't know. Yeah. I think that if Alex didn't actually understand any of this or didn't know any of this, right? And like this lawsuit was going on and his lawyers were meeting with him, it would be an emergency.

Totally. It would be like, Alex, do you understand that this is set up? And it wouldn't all be set up entirely to the exact perfect structure for him. Sure. To be sneaky. Yeah. But anyway, he's so confused. He doesn't know anything.

Never heard of it. I don't even know what numbers are. What are numbers? But as you look at this spreadsheet, you'll see that according to this, the distributions from PQPR, and that's the company that you claim sells the supplements on your website, right? That JLJR has two members, David and Carol, right? Those are your parents.

And PLJR has two members, Alex and Carol, that's you and your mom, right? And you have a 90%... Objection is deployment. The timing matters. Okay. Well, I'm talking about 2015 here, okay? And 2016 because that's reflected on this as well. So we're talking about 2015 and 2016.

And according to this spreadsheet, as a result of your 90% interest in PLJR, you received in 2015, 80% of the total of PQPR distributions of 3.4 million, right? Objection. All right. And so that's 3.4 million distribution on top of the 8.3 million that you drew down from Free Speech Systems, right? I'm not the accountant because some of it pays the other thing and back and forth. I'm sorry, what?

It's advertising and computing. Some of it pays the other thing. Okay. This has nothing to... This spreadsheet, you don't see anything on here about advertising, right? Objection. I don't understand all these numbers. Okay.

I don't know numbers. I'm baffled. I made like $12 million, but I don't know anything about anything. It was an accident. Honestly, I just... I don't know. I fucked around and accidentally made it over $10 million. But who among us hasn't tripped and fallen into several hundred pounds of money?

I mean, it's silly. It's silly. We've all been there. Yeah. Dark alley. You tripped. There's a bag filled with money. Yeah.

Nothing you can do. Happens to the best and worst. Oh, totally. In your mind, when you think of the common man, who do you think of? What comes to mind for you? I don't know. I just think it's on average, everybody makes about $10 million a year. I think Alex is the common man.

I think he represents the every man, right? It's fascinating that you say that because Alex thinks that too. I noticed in your video yesterday that you posted about this deposition that you told and what you later published on your website that you told your audience that you're a common man. Right? Yep. And you said that Connecticut is really a bedroom community for all the richest people

in New York. Right? Yeah. Billionaires and people like Larry Think and folks that have robbed the country for trillions. Yeah. But you're the common man. Right?

Yeah. I am common. Where did you fly into? From Texas. I forget the airport. It wasn't Kennedy or LaGuardia or Bradley. I don't remember. Did you fly commercial?

No. I flew in a private plane. Private plane? Okay. Because I also saw in your video that you put out yesterday that you were kind of saying you've never seen so many private planes in your life when you landed. Yep. Right?

But you were in one of them, weren't you? Yeah. I've told my listeners I've flown on small private planes before. Oh my God. And one of the reasons you're able to fly on small private planes is because you earned over 11 million dollars in 2015, right? A million cents, correct? No, that's not why.

That was used to buy my ex-wife out of the business. I told me you had to do that. That was for that. Oh, Mr. Jones, you just finished testifying that you have no idea what this number is. But now you want to tell me that this has to do with a payout to your wife, up check. There's nothing wrong with people making money. You're right. No, there isn't.

You're right. Oof. Oof. Oof. That's rough. Oh, man. Every time he's like, no, if I offer up this information, it will make more sense. Yeah, yeah.

This is exculpatory. Ah, I figured out. Oh. See, that is kind of one of the things that's really interesting if you watch these depositions. Yeah. You really do get a sense that one of Alex's just innate traits that he cannot stop himself from is trying to make explanations. Totally.

Totally. He's trying constantly to wiggle around and find the way that this works out in his best interest. Yeah. So previously, that money was, I don't know anything about this. Right. So he comes up with like, ah, wait, I had to buy my wife out of the business. That's why there's so much money.

Totally. And so he offers that up, not realizing this contradicts what he had said previously and it doesn't really help. It raises more questions than it answers, but he can't stop himself. We're going to see a grotesque example of that towards the end of this episode. But it's just his psychology. It is. It is like those shows or, you know, like the cop shows where there's the criminal mastermind

who's also a psychopath who can just get on the witness stand and he'll just charm and be so, you know, those things. Like, it is kind of funny because they never choose a really incompetent psychopath who lost a billion dollars. Well, we just saw it. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. I mean, we just saw Alex, like in the Connecticut case, he probably thought that's who he was.

That's what he thinks. Yeah. He's like, I can get my way out of it. I can call this a struggle session and then everything will be fine. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing. Cool.

It is amazing the insanity required. Yeah. So in the course of the trial itself, we learned that the Bitcoin donations that Alex got, the millions went straight to his own wallet. You know, it wasn't a business wallet. You know, granted, it's a save info wars type advertising. Naturally. Of course.

And of course, Alex says that all that money went to the Legal Defense Funds and who knows. Maybe it did. Maybe it didn't. Yeah. But asking some of these questions about other donations and such that go to the Legal Defense Fund. Alex is a little bit wishy-washy. A little cagey about that.

Yeah. A little bit. You know, you raised money from your audience for your own. What you claim is the defensive info wars. Right? Yes. Okay. And people can give to that.

Is there a specific link for that for the info wars legal defense? There's a website. There's a specific website. And when people give through that website, where does it go? It is it is it is put in an account and accounted for in as an account. It's a free speech systems account. It's accounted for as an account. Who set it up?

Say Lydia. I mean, throw her out of the box. Come on, man. Legal account. And again, then one goes to Ted and the other one went and that's that's put in the ledger is that. And then last time I checked, I think it's been spent on legal. When was the last time you checked?

I checked it last week. Okay. And your sworn testimony here is that every penny that was deposited into the account you've just described for me went to your lawyers. I went to Wendy's. I mean, I can't. I haven't done all the accounting myself, but that's that's my general belief and that's what the money's for.

And there's also a link on your website just for people to donate, right? Yes. Okay. And that money just goes right into the free speech systems general fund. Absolutely goes into the war fund. The war fund. Are you at war with somebody? I am with the globalist and all their crime crime syndicates.

Okay. Okay. All right. It's, uh, it sounds better on his show. It really does. It really does. There aren't, there aren't too many sarcastic. Okay.

Yeah. Good for you, boy. Yeah. The, the, the, just the notion of having a war chest or a war fund is silly outside of the context of his performances. Right. Right. Right.

Right. Right. In a, in a deposition, you're like, you understand that we're human beings in the world and not fictional. We're fighting a war situation with demons. It's just us. You and me. Real people.

I'm just trying to get answers. You hurt people. Shitty actions. Yep. Yep. You're a piece of shit. Yep. So the question comes up.

Alex is at war with these globalists. Naturally. Who are the globalists? Well, are the parents of these children? Oh, that's going to be a nasty question. The family members of Sandy Hook victims, globalists. Nasty. Are my clients globalists?

No, but most of Sandy Hook parents is assuming the ones you have are, you're using them and HBO and the New York Times, this whole globalist conglomerate to try to silence populist voices and dissent. And so they're just being used as pawns by you. So the Sandy Hook families that have decided to sue you are just pawns in a much larger battle. Is that what you're saying? I'm not going to speak for them.

In my view, they're being used by you and Senator Blumenthal and others as pawns. Okay. By me, their lawyer. I mean, you're a well-known ambulance chaser, Democrat, anti-free speech, anti-gun, tyrant. Okay. Right. So I'm a tyrant. And so I need to be stopped, right?

Well, I mean, people understand that America is going to stand firm against the bullying, the censorship, the D-list and the debanking and all of it, and we're never going to stop resisting. But you just referred to me, the family's lawyer, as a tyrant. That's right. You referred to me yesterday as filing fraudulent documents on purpose about financials. What I advise you is that the judge had found that. And it's ridiculous.

Okay. But all these documents... There's no question pending. Make sure I gave you that vote. Norm a couple of times is like, just stop it. Stop it. Shut the fuck up. There's no reason to be talking right now.

I swear, like listening to some of this, like if this is available to the jury, I think that a billion is lucky. I know. He's so lucky. It is kind of like... This is so bad. It is kind of like, I understand why we had to have a trial with a jury there and we did the whole thing.

Yeah. And it was very satisfying. But there is a part of me that's like, you could have just played the deposition for the jurors and they'd have been like, one billion, let's get out of here. But I think they may have had access to it in the chambers. Yeah, in the chamber room. But it's four days of depositions, you know, they didn't watch, obviously they didn't watch four days of deposition.

Yeah. But they also had the transcripts. True. True. I don't know. Like listening to this, it's really, it's bad. I will say. I mean, it's just, their pawns, you're a tyroly.

Oh, totally. Yeah. Yeah. I will say, if they skimmed it, they would have gotten more than enough. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I don't think anybody needs to...

Well, there's some masochists in our audience who have now decided they want to watch long form depositions, but other than me, I don't know if anybody needs to subject themselves to this. We got to play a game with these depositions where we just fast forward and then click play on a certain spot and just see what the next 10 seconds are. Some of it might, that might be fruitful. There are, I mean, look, there are long stretches where it's a lot of the same stuff that we've heard and talked about a bunch of time before.

There's a long stretch in this episode or this deposition about all the various anomalies, in quotes, and we've talked about that a hundred times. It's just basically him, Maddie, pointing out to Alex, this was wrong. Right. This was wrong. It is. If you just randomly dropped in, it could be that or it could be gold. Could be.

You never know. Could be. You know, I do think that in his mind, calling them ambulance chasers is a good thing because it draws the image of the lawyer who's got somebody with the head bandage and the arm and a sling that's actually fine. And I get that, but that's kind of the problem here. A lot of the times that ambulance chaser does have to be using somebody who doesn't really have that much of a problem.

You've never been like, ah, that ambulance chaser representing the families of victims of the children of one of the worst massacres in the history of the United States. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a little bit different. No, it's true.

If you say ambulance chaser there, it makes you look like a piece of shit. It's embedded in there in a way that Alex, I don't think, recognizes. But there's also like, it's just like shifting the accusation onto the lawyer is really just the way that Alex is trying to take. He's trying to deny it without denying it. Well, more or less. Yeah. And trying to take agency away from the parents while attacking them.

It's like, all of this sucks. All of this is fake. But oh, the poor parents, they're being misled by these lawyers, right, which makes no sense. No. Yeah. No. And it's shitty. Yep.

So the discussion of the child exploitation material that was in the emails that got sent to the plaintiff's attorneys by Alex's lawyers comes up and here's a little conversation about it that ends with probably an unfortunate moment for Alex. So I'm a tyrant. I'm one of the people that needs to be stopped because I represent the San Diego families in this plot against you, right? Well, I mean, your overall Democrat party plot against America. Okay.

Now, the first time you ever met me was yesterday, right? But I'm well aware of who you are. Well, I know you've talked about me in the past on your show. In fact, you put a million dollar bounty on me for having my head on a pike, right? No. I said, whoever sent the child porn, that's very clear. And whose photo did you pound when you were offering that bounty? Your photo was there and I just cut to a wide shot of that.

My photo was right in front of you. And then you waited until the camera got on my photo and then pounded my picture, right? Right? You know. Do we need to show you a video? Oh, no. If you want to play, go ahead. But you recall that you did that, right?

I talked about the fact that I was suspicious of an anti-Alex Jones Sandy Hook email sent with embedded child porn that we never opened. And the headlines in the news are Alex Jones since child porn to Sandy Hook families, which is not true. Somebody sent me an email that was anti-Alex Jones. We never opened it. You got it. We scanned it using the system for whatever little, little needle in the haystack.

You seem to know was there. And then ran headlines seem to know I had sent child porn to people. I mean, that right there is just unbelievably dirty and deceptive and not true. Mr. Jones, I just want to like clarify a few things here for you. The child pornography that your lawyers transmitted to my office was found by a third party vendor. Is this a question? Yeah. Well, no testimony.

Yeah. I don't know. I'll get to the question. There's just nobody bought. Nobody bought it. Mr. Jones, who is the first person to ever publicize in any way that your lawyers have sent materials containing child pornography to my office? Who is the first person to ever say anything?

I don't remember exactly who, but I know the media was calling us about it. Mr. Jones. Objection. Do you don't remember who the first person was to state publicly that this whole issue with child pornography and your company providing it to your lawyers and then sending it to us was you? Objection. That's a deceptive statement that our company provided.

It was an unopened email. It was an open email. I'm not disputing. Oh boy. Poor Alex. Oh boy. Doesn't realize that he did this to himself by trying to get out ahead of a story. I know.

Alex. He was drunk hanging out with Norm. This happened. And then he was like, oh, I got to get out of this. Boy. Got on air. Started screaming about it. There's no, there weren't headlines that were being put out by nefarious globalists.

Definitely not Chris himself. No. Which was what Alex was saying. The headlines you put out. Oh, you did it. Alex. Yes. You did this.

Man. That's one of those things that I really, I really just hate that. You know, for a number of billion reasons, I hate that happened. Not least of which just because it muddied so much. It's just like it doesn't do anyone any good. You know, it's just awful all, all around. Anytime, you know, you know, child exploitation materials around it's, it's bad. Um, but yeah, in terms of this, I do think that if Alex hadn't done what he did, then

this would have been handled quite differently. Like no one would have gotten sanctioned over this. There wouldn't have been any kind of like charges brought against the lawyers or Alex. It would be very easily understood that this was something that was sent to them. It wasn't opened. Alex made a much bigger deal out of this by trying to make a narrative out of it. I've been something to accuse these lawyers of setting him up. Right.

Every, every article, every headline that he had embedded his view of him saying these things. True. It's not like they, yeah, that's crazy. So Alex rambles quite a bit and then finally gets to just stating directly that he believes that the families are pawns in a plot against him smart. Getting back to my point about my questions about, um, the, what you see as a really kind of life and death struggle between you, uh, your audience that supports you and this movement

to this global movement that you've described, right? You consider the plaintiffs to be basically unwitting pawns in that attack against you. I mean, there's no doubt that the corporate media and the system is using the lawsuit to try to get rid of the First Amendment for the general public. They admit that. They had New York Times headlines saying, you know, time to get rid of the First Amendment and don't research things. So would you just answer my question?

Yeah. I think what you're justifying is that you consider my clients to be unwitting pawns in the plot against you. What I see it as is that misrepresentations when I've apologized, claims that I'm going after people when I wasn't. And I've just seen really a lot of sad people that lost their children using me to keep the story of their children in the news and gun control in the news. And so the, and, and then I see the accusations by you guys that I made all this money off

Sandy Hook when I know I didn't. Liberal media was exploding then. That's when it basically began was around 2012 and it sort of getting, and it grew. Everybody grew with it. And Barack Obama grew all the conservative media, just like Trump grew liberal media. I mean, this, I know that it's well known. It's like asking what the tide comes in, the tide goes out. You're saying I'm here and there, Sandy Hook, but it's just not true.

Okay. So getting back to my question, just see if you can answer this question. Do you consider my clients now to be unwitting pawns in this overarching conspiracy against you and the free world? Absolutely. Okay. Thank you. That's basically thousands of articles.

I mean, I mean, thank you. Thank you for your answer. Don't elaborate. Wow. Wow. Yep. Wrong answer. Oh boy.

Oh boy. Oh no. Yep. You just couldn't, couldn't not. Nope. Just couldn't not. Nope. In a, much like the well, in a, in a situation like this, if you give an answer and then

the lawyer says, thank you for your answer, you just really screwed yourself. If the lawyer thanks you for anything that isn't money, you're fucked. Yeah. You should be really worried. So the question comes up about whether or not Alex contacted any of the families and whether he ever was in touch with anybody, whether he ever had some sort of background report on anybody that nobody seems to know that doesn't come up. Okay.

Um, but, uh, this is, this is just a nice, uh, set up and spike. Have you ever, um, spoken with any of my clients? Nothing I remember. Have you ever spoken with, uh, any family members of any buddy who was killed at Sandy Hook? No, we've invited them on the show. You've never personally spoken to them. Nothing I know.

And nobody on your behalf as far as you know, has spoken to them. Not that I know. Okay. Um, have you ever sent letters to any family members of anybody who was killed at Sandy Hook? We responded back, uh, to Posner. You sent a letter to Mr. Posner. I believe when he emailed us, we emailed him back.

Okay. Putting, putting that aside, and by the way you did, I'm going to show you that when you say we, you're talking about Mr. Watson emailed them back, right? I believe so. That was in 2013. I believe so. Okay. Um, uh, but other than Mr. Posner, you've never sent a letter to any family members

of people who were killed at Sandy Hook. Nope. Okay. You sent a letter to Madeline Albright, didn't send any letters to 500,000 she killed in Iraq. It doesn't seem like you want to compare yourself to Madeline Albright. I'm not a hero like her. I'm the villain.

Okay. She's the hero. Um, I'm not a hero. Mr. Jones, I'll represent you that, um, this is a video that was produced to us by, uh, Re-Speech Systems, um, in 2018, go ahead and play, 89A is the clip. Go ahead and play that. That's the thing. I was talking about my lawyers in Texas, Connecticut, that both have strong anti-slap

provisions for attorneys fees and damages, and I'm like sitting there with my lawyers last week going, I know we've got slapped back and we've got to teach people lessons to stop falling fake suits, but man, I don't want to sue these families. You know, they sued me, but they've been manipulated. So we've been sending letters on the phone with the families, and that's why they got another crop of families to sue us, because we've been talking to them, and I'm saying really, show me the clip where I said that, no, it's not there. So I was, that was false when you told your audience that you had been setting letters

and getting on the phone with the families and talking to them, correct? No, I don't know the context of this. I'm sorry. What? What? I was talking to, I mean, I can't remember the times, but I wouldn't be saying that if it wasn't true. Well, you just testified completely opposite to what that was, so which is true.

I barely remembered the positive thing. I said there could have been more. I don't know. I don't remember this. Oh, man. That is maybe the best example of holding two contradictory ideas inside your head at the same time. Yeah.

And Alex is a master of doing that. I will give him that. It's, uh, when nothing is real, it is quite zen, you know, there is a certain, there's a certain place that I get, I get, I mean, look, it's fun to talk shit on your show. Of course. And being like, we've talked to these people and they're all dropping the suit. Fantastic. It's great.

Um, it just, you shouldn't, things are recorded, your shows, it's not going to not be there later. Yeah. Hmm. Man. Anyway. Um, we should really destroy every episode of something immediately after doing it. No evidence of anything ever.

So, uh, and there's a, uh, a discussion, pretty long discussion about Alex's video of his final statement on Sandy Hook. And a lot of the conversation surrounds the various anomalies, uh, that are incorrect. Right. So we're not going to play a ton of that, but here is one clip of the discussion about the Bloomberg email. And the reason I kept this in is just because it's so funny to hear Alex talk about his own ideas this way.

And I'll ask you to pause it intermittently. I just want to scribble. Okay, you heard yourself say number one on the day before the shooting and email was sent out by Bloomberg's anti-gun group, right? And you pull up on the screen as you're saying that in info wars article, correct? Yes. Okay. And that info wars headline is exposed how Bloomberg plant to seize upon gun tragedy,

right? Yes. And it's dated March 13th, 2013. Correct? Yes. Read by Aaron Dykes, right? Yes. He was a writer of yours.

I guess. Yes. Okay. Um, and you pulled up this article as evidence of the fact that Mr. Bloomberg's organization had in fact sent out an email the day before the shooting, as you had just said, correct? Well, I didn't pull it up. Someone put it on this video, but that's why you put it there. I would, I guess so.

I mean, nobody spontaneously decided to do that. That was preloaded. Right? No. A lot of times they just put stuff up on the show, but I don't know. Are you claiming that? Um, sorry. What?

Are you claiming that this was not published in the middle of your statement as evidence for your claim? I haven't seen three seconds of this clip. I don't know what I'm looking at here. All right. Go ahead and keep playing it. Saying prepare for a big event, but the biggest piece of it. So you said that Mayor Bloomberg had sent out an email the day before the shooting saying

prepare for a big event, right? Right. And we talked about that yesterday as being evidence to support your claim that Sandy Hook was a hoax because Mr. Bloomberg would have had four knowledge of the event coming, right? Or they were saying get ready to use a tragedy. Right. You said he jumped the gun, meaning that he released that email early, um, intending to send it after the fact, knowing that there was going to be a hoax, correct?

That's the tape you played earlier. And that's what you meant by it. You could imply that you'd agree with me that that's what you meant when you said blew me. You jumped the gun. You sent this email out early, knowing that there was going to be a hoax, right? Yes. Is that a yes, Mr. Jones?

Um, yes. Okay. Thank you. That's a possible interpretation of my thoughts. That was a roller coaster ride of one clip. That was insane. Yeah. I likes to scribble immediately.

That changed everything in my mind. I went from being a desk situation very much like you and I right now to being Alex as one of those children who had just had a traumatic event sitting there with the cops with a crayon scribbling down as the cops ask questions about what happened. That's what's going on here. Yeah. Or my mind even goes to like a kid at a desk, like one of those desks that has like the pocket under where you put all your supplies.

It's a little bit too small for Alex and he's sitting there not paying attention in class drawing that S. I could see that. That's always the S. Yeah. So yeah, this is another thing that comes up pretty repeatedly in terms of Alex's evasions and that is that, oh, someone put that email or that story up on like in editing or something in post.

Yeah. And oh, that's not the right thing. Totally. That's supposed to be there as evidence of the claims that I'm making, but somebody else put this together and it's not the right thing. You know what? I'm not mad at the crew. Right.

That's the story of this deposition. That ends up being an excuse for at least a couple of things. You could imply that is an amazing misdirect from a thing you were implying like, ah, I was applying it, but you could imply that I was implying it. You could imply that this is a claim that I made. You could. You could. Is that a yes?

It is impliable. Yes. What a dork. Anyway, Alex just like he's in deflection mode. He's just, hey, what about the media? They make mistakes, buddy. Fine. Mr. Jones, you know, I've heard you say several times this morning and yesterday that you

got things wrong, made mistakes, right? And I appreciate you saying that. Like the New York Times, so there were WNDs in Iraq, they knew and a lot of purpose and killed millions of people. I didn't kill anybody. I understand though, they're liberal, they're good, I'm the bad guy. Can I? I just, I really want to give you an opportunity here and you're not going to get any debate

from me that media makes mistakes all the time, including some that have grievous consequences. But do you acknowledge that what you claim are mistakes that you made regarding the worst school shooting in history, where you claimed that it was a hoax in order to, as part of a plot to disarm the public, that that had real consequences for the people who you claimed were part of that hoax? Adam Lambs is dead, I didn't kill their children. No, you didn't. That's a shit response.

Yeah. Do you recognize that the mistakes and things that you were engaged in surrounding this have consequences for people? I don't mind to kill the guy, I didn't kill anybody. He's dead. Yeah, it is. It is very much. It is very much.

You can, you can just like something, something I read Trump said the other day was if the candidates that I support win, then all of the glory should go to me. Right. If they lose, no one should blame me for anything. Of course. And it is so like that's just encapsulated in what Alex does. Yeah, but that makes sense. Yeah, no, it does make sense.

Yeah. Yeah. Totally. What is responsibility if it's not just claiming credit for things? It's credit. Yeah. So yeah, Alex is asked about this idea that the audience comes to him for truth. Interesting.

And this is weird. He has a weird response. There's a little bit of grandstanding. Okay. I just want to see if you understand that when you tell your audience that comes to you for the truth, because that's what you tell them you're giving them, right? Right. Unlike the Supreme Court nominee, I can say what a woman is.

Yes. You're. And that's what they expect from there are two genders. Oh my God. I don't want to play games with you here. I'm talking about my clients. I don't make sure media says there's not two genders. I mean, that's people.

You guys. Mr. Jones. My mistakes. What you're trying to do right now is distract from the question I'm asking you. And so I just want you to answer my question. Okay. I didn't think it was going to be hard for you to acknowledge that your audience comes to you for the truth.

Would you just agree with me on that? Yes. I'm going to make mistakes. And you make mistakes. Fine. Now you and I can disagree all day long about whether you made mistakes or whether you lied on purpose. All right.

But what about this? You agree with me that at a minimum, you were reckless in the statements you made about Sandy Hook. No, I believe, I believe there were real anomalies and I was and I was wrong. I said that you weren't you weren't reckless in the statements you made about Sandy Hook. No. Did you just film a video yesterday in which you said you were reckless? Do we have the clip?

You responded to exactly what I think is like the most important under like it just it's there and it's moved past. But Alex saying I wasn't paying attention. Amazing. Is dark. Astonishing. It's it's such a blip, you know, in terms of things that are said in this deposition. Yeah.

It's so important because it is just like Alex thinks he can absolve himself of this wrongdoing and the pain that he causes people because like I wasn't even paying attention. Yeah. Like no, that's not better. Yeah. It's like when he was in the green wall to interview and he said like he was drunk. I was drunk. Yeah.

I was just drunk when I was saying doesn't make this better. Listen, when I hit your son with the car, I was drunk and I wasn't paying attention. So leave me alone. Well, that's actually a really good sort of a way to look at it. It's like I ran over your kid, but I was drunk when I did it. So I'm not a bad person. I didn't mean to hit your kid. Exactly.

Now you did decide to drink and drive, which is something that maybe makes you a less of a good person. The decision point was earlier. So for Alex, if he's like, I wasn't paying attention when I made all this bullshit up and threw it around about these grieving parents, the act of saying the thing you're trying to absolve yourself is irrelevant. The decision to behave in that way and operate your news outlet like you're a drunk driver is the problem.

And that does make you a bad person. Right. When you made the decision to drive drunk, you said something and that was, I know that this is a possibility, maybe even a high possibility and I don't care. And if your kid dies, I know that could happen, but it's less valuable to me than just getting home without taking a cab. It's more expedient for me to drive drunk and for Alex, it's more expedient to make shit up because it's sensational and his audience enjoys it.

Did you not hear that I made $11 million? Of course I wasn't paying attention when I was lying about that. Right. Paying attention is crippling to the business. Yeah, exactly. So this next clip really got me thinking. I don't believe a good bit of this, but there's a interesting level of false introspection that's going on.

Okay. I mean, I've developed and learned a lot. 48. Okay. And so how old were you when Sandy Hook happened? I would be 38. Okay. Broadcasting to an audience of millions.

I mean, we saw the numbers, right? Injection. So if I don't want to believe anything, I'm allowed to believe it. And I'm allowed to have free speech to not, well, when as a gun owner, I'm being blamed for something, people then basically have a form of resistance to that to just then believe, no, it didn't happen because it's a terrible thing that happened when it's wrongfully being accused on all gun owners. People then start knowing that that's a fraud.

And so the mind then starts finding ways to, to absolutely then vilify the media and the groups that are saying and doing that. And that's what you were doing as well. Well, I mean, I've tried to analyze myself and I've gotten some, some, you know, therapy over it actually. And how, how could a therapist not tackle you? It's been helpful. Well, I think you should be commended for that, but I also want to say, I also want

though to ask you whether in that reflection, you've come to realize that the statements you made that were wrong and that you claim were mistakes hurt people. Objection. Just like the judge lying and saying that we gave you false documents and you lying in court is hurtful. Objection. But when you lie to liberal and loving and when you guys blow up countries, it's liberal and loving.

When you send pedophiles directly in story time, it's liberal and loving. It all has consequences, doesn't it? It all has consequences. What you guys have done that no one believes anything you say and what you say has consequences as well. It does. Okay. And you don't dispute that the families who you claimed were actors suffered as a result

of that. Do you? I'm going to object to that. And that's fine. That's your objection. You don't dispute it. Do you want me to talk? Yeah.

I think the level of pain they went through losing their children, being a father myself before children, having a four and a half year old daughter, I don't think going through that level of pain and horror, the worst thing that can happen in the world even comes in any comparison, things I did in my own mistakes and my own delusions. So I think it's really admirable of Maddie to not take the bait that Alex was throwing out there with all the liberal and loving bullshit so much, you know, because what he's doing is trying to derail the point of attention, which is threatening to him, which is you did cause this pain and hurt to these people.

And so when he's confronted with that, he says, like, oh, yeah, just like this. And if you just ignore that, you're like, yeah, fine. But you are just like that then, right? You're agreeing with that. Yeah. You're saying that you caused pain. You're trying to like muddy the waters by bringing in outside grievances that you have. Focusing just straight on what we're talking about.

Your answer is yes. Yeah, absolutely. You jerk. No, what you tried to do was agree with me and then throw keys off into the cornfield and be like, don't you want to chase those keys? Yeah. And it's, you know, obviously some of the keys that he throws are repulsive and, you know, they are things that, you know, you'd want to correct or be like, hey, hold on now.

But in a setting like this, it's, you know, it's key just to stay on point. And that that could be difficult to do with a distraction artist like Alex. No, absolutely. And it is such an endurance test, you know, like I genuinely, as I'm listening to this, you know, this one and the last one, it's like, I could not do this if the judgment was in doubt. Do you know what I'm saying? Like now that it's over and I know that he loses and all this stuff, then I could listen

to him in this deposition, tell me these things because I've got a big smile in the back of my mind. Sure. I've got a situation where you don't know yet, you know, you're going to, you've already won and all that stuff, but you don't know if it's going to go the way you really want it to yet. Like the idea that he can just say that shit to you and then not get consequences for it. It's worrying.

It's terrifying. Yeah. The endurance of not like, because again, that's what Alex does. He gives you as much emotion as he can to override your ability to think. Or trying to elicit that emotion in you to get you off track. Absolutely. And also I think that this clip offers a really good insight into Alex's mind and how these conspiracies work because if you look at it, it's basically exactly what we say pretty

regularly is what he's articulating. He sees an event that's threatening to his ideology and he knows that he has no actual argument about it and that the people on the other side of the issue have points that he cannot in any way rebut instead of recognizing that and working on strengthening his arguments or attempting to find a compromise solution, Alex takes a shortcut of saying that this threatening event didn't happen. When there's a mass shooting, all gun owners aren't blamed for it, but Alex feels like they are because to him discussion of gun regulation isn't a matter of making better

public policy. It's something that's being done to punish people who have guns. This is obviously inaccurate, but it serves as a launching pad for Alex to make the leap to where he wants to go, which is to say that the shooting itself is fake. So there's no reason to punish gun owners, which is not happening to begin with. If Alex had to counter the actual arguments people who propose gun regulation are making, he would fall flat. He showed all he has when he went on Piers Morgan's show, like it's just a bunch of

yelling and aggressive statements, but there's no actual substance there. This is all just intellectual cowardice. Alex can't stand up to the actual ideas in the arena like he likes to think he can, so he takes the shortcut of taking world events personally and then insisting they didn't happen. The event didn't happen because the globalists were really just trying to punish me to begin with so they faked this event in order to give them a justification to do it. You can easily see how this allows Alex to sidestep any actual policy discussions because

he's not equipped to have them. Also no therapist would allow this kind of justification to stand without further exploration. And absurd. It's just a case of clear projection and rationalization that you'd have to have a normal level therapist in order to accept and move past. That's outrageous. Yeah. No.

Oh man. I mean, I know that Alex has gone to some therapists just because of court order stuff with his divorce and custody stuff, but that was a while back. I can't imagine putting a poor therapist through this. This is the one time where there's just not enough money. Reboot of the Sopranos. There we go. Alex.

Alex is a therapist. Yeah. We don't have a gun to the therapist. I had to pull that off. We reboot Dr. Katz. Okay. All of the sessions. All Alex.

Oh no. No. No. Roger Stone. Ooh. All of the Info Wars personalities as Dr. Katz's patients. Yeah. And we could get Louis C.K. back because he's also a piece of shit.

They're all pieces of shit. See. I feel like I feel like we could be onto something. Hey, everyone out there listening. Don't steal this idea. Don't tell anybody. We will. Yeah.

So Maddie points out here something that's very important and that is that like if you believe that these people are actors and you know they've just pulled off this fake thing in order to take everyone's guns, you should expose them. Right. That would be the right thing to do. That's the way to do it. Right. If you if you have somebody who has faked their child's death as part of a political

agenda to disarm the American public, those people should be exposed for what they are right? Some of the some of the parents and I understand they're back and imagine they're paying got some sense and control and advocacy and now some of them have done quite well in that advocacy and so became you know, political operatives and that very early on and they're now in a political arena. And so that's what that's what's going to happen. I move to strike the colloquy.

Council's tone seems calculated to Mario Harris. I'm going to form objection. So why don't we wait until the end of the break and you can make your objection. So Alex is basically saying exactly what Matty would hope he'd say. Yeah, 100% because he's saying they have entered the political arena. Yep. Just kind of making the argument that they're fair game. Yeah.

And so this turns into a bit of chaos. And if I understand correctly, what are you saying is if you survive or experience a massive tragedy and tell people about it, then it is fine to abuse you. Well, yes, unless you tell people about it in a way that Alex likes. Yes. And then you're a monster. Yeah. If you are insulted at all.

Yeah. So yeah, chaos, man. I'm going to form objection. So why don't we wait until the end of the break and you can make your objection. It's a 1330 objection. I'm OK. You know that you are antagonizing the witness and that's my objection. That's what I want to know.

It's terrible on me. Can you you guys can all talk at the same time? They had it coming, didn't they? No, that's a terrible objection. It's a terrible thing for you. Why did I said it? How dare you say the parents had it coming? Didn't.

Well, you just said that. Didn't you harass them? Do you want to apologize to the parents for saying they had it coming? I think you know what I meant, Mr. Joe, you know, which is you just said they stepped in that they stepped in the public arena, you know, decent treatment, they stepped into the public arena. And so they got what they got, right? No, you put the word to my mouth.

Parker step into the public arena. He did. And I think he's a good man. And did he have an anti gun agenda? Many were used for an anti gun agenda. He's Robbie Parker ever said a word about guns? Objection, you know what? No, I'm sorry for any any pain that I, my others cause, Mr.

Parker. OK. Injection. Are we done here? The Web site. Are you objecting his answer now, Mario? I'm objecting to your tone. I should move to strike. Yeah, this is chaos. Mario, Mario. I don't like your tone, sir. Yeah, I get I get where he's going.

And I think a lot of the objections that are flying around not necessarily in this clip, but throughout some of this are like things that are being said as statements, right? You know, or at least appear to be saying being said as statements. Yeah, if I understand correctly, and I mean, obviously, I don't understand correctly, but if what I think if I understand is that these depositions, the transcripts that go to the jury, if the objection is sustained, then that section is cut out.

Yeah. Right. Yeah. So so it's possible that the transcripts from the jury, none of this section was in what they got. I would assume that most of it is. Yeah. Well, I mean, of course, I think. I don't think a lot of these objections are. I think a lot of them are just sort of like, maybe. Well, that's that's kind of what I'm saying is that a lot of people have asked

like, why is he still answering questions after objection? If there's no kind of thing? And it's because that's an after the fact, right? The judge would then, you know, everybody would determine that Alex would and there are a couple of instances where this happens. And well, I think we'll even hear one or two of them where Norm is like, I'm advising you not to answer that. Of course. And that's when Alex doesn't answer. Right.

Like that will that will happen. But yeah, these are just sort of objections that are like roll the dice. I do appreciate the attempt to to bring like, oh, the the lawyer's tone is a problem. I appreciate that. But dude, if I were if I were the lawyers on Alex's side, I totally would probably do the same thing. Oh, objective. I'm not.

I think Maddie's tone is great. It's fantastic. So the question of Rob Jacobson comes up a long time in for his employee who were testified in this case. He had a deposition about his time working there. And Don Salazar has said also under oath that Rob said, hey, shouldn't be covering Sandy Hook and all this stuff. Right. And so Alex has some pretty

shitty things to say about Rob Jacobson. But it is a lie to say that I made more than one percent of the money, even in the times I the whole shows I covered Sandy Hook. In fact, I got a lot of heat from friends and family and folks that worked at the office and people like Paul Watson, when we did cover it and and and and Watson threatened to quit. If we didn't stop covering it.

And just a few times we did. And when did he threaten to quit? I don't remember exactly. But I mean. And do you remember a conversation with Rob Jacobson, where he told you that you shouldn't be covering Sandy Hook? Like in the case of Rob, he is. I just want to know if you remember that conversation. I know he's claimed that.

And it's the opposite. He was the guy that believed Sandy Hook was he's lying about warning you against covering Sandy Hook. Man, just I just absolutely. OK, because you know that your your employee, Don Salazar, acknowledged that he had a conversation with Rob Jacobson, where Rob Jacobson told him that you should not be lying on Halbic. Of that, I know later he he but but but but throughout most of it,

he was the one bringing up saying he thought it was staged. And then I do remember a non saying later he thought that he also thought that David Knight was a alien reptile and had really serious breakdown. And I'm really sad for Rob. And the fact he's being exploited by you guys is disgusting. He is seriously mentally ill in my view. And you know that you know what happened to the deposition.

Very sad. All right. I mean, seriously, I really I just I don't want to come back for a third day if we can avoid it. But you're seeing that up now. I've answered all your questions. I think to suggest a five minute break for a man moment with my client, please, in the interest of maximizing the time today, just only five minutes. We're supposed to go to lunch now anyway. No lunch.

He said 12 30. It's about 11. So they end up getting cheese steaks. But I have not watched the Rob Jacobson deposition yet. I don't have that one. But hopefully we'll be able to cover that in the future. But Alex's lawyers got sanctioned because of their behavior in that deposition. It was ruled to be abusive and they were really, really shitty.

Alex's lawyers. Yes. Yes. They were abusive. Yes. And got sanctioned because of their behavior with Rob. And I think Alex is referring to that. But as a whole, objective eyes, look at that deposition is a real bad thing for Alex's case. Yeah, that sounds right. But Alex is viewing it as as we showed we showed.

Yeah, that's that's an amazing. That's amazing to look at it in a in a glass half full way like that. Makes sense. Yeah. So Alex is the real victim when you really think about it. I don't know if that's true. When you think about the whole Sandy Hook thing, Alex is the victim. Well, you got to look at it through Alex's eyes. All right, that's a good point.

And and and was my being wrong about things hurtful to people? Absolutely. It was not done consciously. And I apologize for that. And I have learned by becoming very, very famous. You know, how important it is when you do have power. And at the same time, I have suffered by being de-platformed, demonized, threatened, attacked for what I said about Sandy Hook.

And I have been punished a lot. And that's why I'm not even I mean, this whole fiasco of a trial and and and all the media stuff is is is is, you know, to me, not going to be cathartic for the families and certainly not to be from from me, but it'll make a nice HBO documentary for everybody. So that's just the way it is. Do you do you feel that you are a victim of

that you've been unfairly victimized as a result of the statements you've made about Sandy Hook? OK. Let's just say this, I wish that I knew what I know now. A long time ago, it's been very, very retrospective for me. And I mean, I've been honest to people say, like, don't tell them you were delusional. That's not like somebody saying, oh, the reason of insanity. I mean, I I really believed all that stuff that I was saying.

And I was wrong about that because so much other stuff has been proven and documented. And then and then you start thinking everything's a lie. And I've explained that. And that's the fact. Alex won't own his position of he views himself as like the woe is me person in this whole circumstance. I've been kicked off social media.

I've been marginalized and all these people lied to me that made me say these things. And the media tricked me with being wrong all the time. And so I thought everything was fake. And oh, look at me. Won't you think of the poor? Alex Jones is really just a shithead. Yeah. Yeah.

He was wrong on a lot of counts in there. But most especially it was cathartic. Turns out I think so. Yeah. I think it was quite cathartic in a lot of ways to see how he would think it wouldn't be. Yeah. Yeah. He's like, well, I lost. So nobody should be happy, right? Well, and his sort, he's required to have a position

that they're not really that upset about. Yeah, that's true. And so he would think that whatever catharseness they'd feel would be fake. Yeah, it's not real. Yeah. Or overblown. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, of course, he would think it wouldn't be that big a deal. I do like how he accidentally or or, you know,

he was like, people said, don't say you're delusional or something, which is like, clearly, this was a conversation that you had with your lawyers about how to lie to get out of this. Can I say, what if I said I was crazy? Do you think that would work? Complete temporary insanity. It went over a couple of years. So that's going to be tough. No.

Heat of the moment. Yeah. It's a crime of passion. No. So Megan Kelly came to interview Alex. Sure. And he presumably and he definitely claimed this on air a number of times that he had like the whole thing recorded. Oh, yeah. He was secretly got all of it. I remember when we covered that, he made that very clear.

Yeah, it turns out that never was true. Oh, and there's a funny reason. Oh, Mr. Jones, I want to show you a video that you published in June of 2017. And do you recall that this was around the time you did an interview with Megan Kelly? Yes. Yes. And you had a lot of complaints about how she

presented that interview when it broadcast, correct? Yes, you thought you it was unfair. To you. Would you? Yes, it was unfair. A lot of jump cuts. I told her I thought Sandy Hook happened. She goes, well, tell me about the anomalies. So then it could be, look, he's he's denying it again.

And I hope you can get that raw tape from her because, you know, she said, I'm not going to talk about Sandy Hook when I come and all this stuff. And of course, she was there all day long. And then for the main interview at night, it was all about Sandy Hook. Did the have you ever seen the raw footage from that interview? No. And I told one of my crew to tape it on iPhone. Of course, of course, they didn't

because somebody called their phone minutes into it and stopped the recording. That's the the what happened to that employee? They're no longer. It was it was my sister. She went along and then, of course, I love everybody. It's like that was just like the millions episode in my house. I feel like I'm a despicable me. He's like the minions.

Oh, boy. I just I just, you know, every time you think that there's going to be just a very simple explanation for something, a foible occurs. Alex lives a permanent farce. Yeah, you know, every time he enters a door, he goes out a different room, you know? Who screwed up their recording as my sister?

They're no longer. It was my sister. He was trying to throw someone out of the bus until he remembered it was his sister. Yeah, probably. Also, if his life is like the minions, then he is a villain, right? I believe he is. Minions work for villains. The minions work for villains.

They are canonically evil. Cool analogy. Yes. Anyway, remember, this came up a little bit on the day one. The notion that the Costco firm are the mafia. Right. Right. This comes back up. How are we going to do it?

And Norm is really wanting Alex to shut up. Yeah, that would be nice. And this is called Sandy Hook Vampires Exposed. You remember that? Yes. Did you title that video? I did. And by vampire, you're referring to people who you claim

get energy and goodwill as a result of being associated with the tragedy. Correct? Yes. And I suspect you put my law firm in that category. Well, you just me. I mean, yes. OK, so let's go ahead and now this was obviously before any lawsuit was filed. So you couldn't have been referring to us then, right? But I mean, I think that's a fair category for you now.

OK. You don't dispute that the families have a right to hire a lawyer if they choose. Correct? No. But I mean, I think I mean, you're a thoroughbred ambulance chaser. I'd call you a vampire. OK, so that's even separate from Sandy Hook just because I'm a lawyer. I mean, I think the Costco firm is known as about as, you know, I mean, like what has the mafia around here are OK.

So in addition to being ambulance chasers, we're the mafia. I was once told that by a member of the objection. Well, no, no, no, no, no, no objection is not cut off his answer. There's a confidentiality. We have a confidentiality agreement with your firm. I tried to discuss this with you. It was there. I'd like an opportunity to do so at the record for a moment. You have a confidentiality agreement with my firm as to the source of this comment.

I'd like to discuss it with you off the road. I'm not aware of any agreement. I am. It was with Josh. There was a context in which we met and agreed not to discuss things. That's where this is coming from. I'm not going to have Mr. Jones testify about an agreement he signed with your firm. I'm an officer of the court.

I'm telling you, this happened. I'd like an opportunity to speak with you for one minute. You want to retract your testimony? That you claim to have heard in some sort of setting that you're worried about when you can talk about? I'm going to answer any questions about what took place at the end. Yeah. All right. So Norm called you guys the mafia.

That is an issue. That may be. Yeah, that could be. Or conversely. Yeah. Yeah. The converse side of this is not not realistic. I don't think and Alex would know if he signed something. It was a confidentiality. You think that seems like a problem.

And like it. So he's saying that Josh Koskoff signed this. Right. Some some sort of weird confidentiality. Sure. Sure. And you would think that they would know about this. They're on the same tight knit team on this case. And yeah, this is all bullshit, but good on you. Norm jumping up to and this comes back up later.

Oh, of course. Norm being like, we want to strike all of this. We want to strike any mention of the mafia stuff. You know, I think I think Chris is doing a fantastic job here. But that one moment, I really feel like I want Bill to tag in and just sit there and chew on a gummy worm as Norm keeps me and like, no, I agreed with Josh. Yeah. Oh, really?

Let me call him. Yeah. Let's go ahead and do that right now. So one of the other things I think Chris is really good with is being serious about unserious things. Yes. Like the who is a vampire question. Right. So he wants to know if the judge is a vampire here. Mr. Jones, is the judge presiding over this case?

Do you also consider her a vampire? San Diego Vampire? Objection. I mean, I know that we didn't provide fraudulent financials. And I know we gave you guys everything you said. You have nothing. Do you consider the judge presiding over this case? The San Diego Vampire?

The same way you consider me a San Diego Vampire? No, I would put her in the vampire category. OK. Do you probably a demon wreck? I mean, yeah, what are we doing? What categories? The families who lost loved ones at Sandy Hook don't have a right to seek relief through a lawyer.

No, I think that the media and the media and the people that they're actually always hyping it up, claiming that I became successful off of it, which is not true. And while they're the ones becoming successful off of it, that they're the vampires. So if you did become successful off Sandy Hook, you'd consider yourself a vampire, right? And I know you're misrepresenting that I know the truth.

I know that it was a small part of what we did and that my opposition to Barack Obama during that period is what exploded the show. But if if a jury were to conclude that actually you did garner audience and revenue as a result of your lies about Sandy Hook, they could fairly conclude, according to your logic, that you yourself were a San Diego Vampire. Objection as to the form. What do you think?

We negligible revenue. We've not really been able to discover almost seen it like three hundred dollars off articles or something. No, I mean, that I can tell you that Sandy Hook was not a revenue generator for us. In fact, it was people, a lot of our listeners didn't like it at the time, was very controversial to question it. And I still did things like that.

Just like I did 9-11 and I've explained that to you. The audience members of yours who harassed my clients, they they liked what you said, didn't they? Objection as to the form. There have been claims that those are my listeners and much of that. Some of the people that I saw in the news that did go harass some people were not my listeners, even if the media said that. Ha ha, no true Scotsman.

I mean, no listener of mine would harass those families. It's been a while since I've heard a good four. It's been a while since I've heard a good no true Scotsman. And unfortunately, Alex is a San Diego Vampire. I wanted him to stop and be like, how did you do that? Because you made my words turn back on me. And I don't know. I don't know how to do that to people. Never since Bill made Owen Troyer admit that he's the mainstream media.

Yes, has a definition gone so awry. It is so funny. They just don't understand how words work. They do not. Oh, so Alex gets to talking here. Ask getting asked a question about Owen's video where he defamed Neil Heslin and relied on the zero hedge article. Right. Alex doesn't seem to understand what the issue is there. Now, I don't have to play the full video for you, Mr.

Jones. I may just ask you some questions about it and see what you recall of the broadcast where Mr. Shroyer claimed that contrary to what Neil Heslin said during his interview with Megan Kelly, it was not possible for him to have held his son after his son had been murdered. You recall that? Yes. OK. Did I fairly characterize what Owen said on that video? He was reading a zero hedge article.

So that's a fair characterization. OK, you think that that claim came from the zero hedge article? That's what I remember. He was reading a zero hedge article when he talked about it. And and. He could have been reading more in a specific sort of something about I dropped him off at school with a book bag, picked him up in a body bag. And then people said, well, he actually wasn't picked up in a body bag that day.

So technically, that was hyperbole, which I was like, yeah. There's nothing in Owen Shroyer's comments about a body bag at all. I asked you about another clip. I asked you about Mr. Shroyer's claim that it was not possible for Mr. Heslin to have held his son in his arms after his son was murdered. You recall him saying that? Objection.

In in the context of the body bag story. Yeah, well, let's just play it then. Let's just play you through. So Alex seems to be wanting to make the point like or the argument that it was exaggeration. Owen was accusing them of exaggeration. That's the issue. Of course. It wasn't technically a body bag.

That's the whole thing. Really just trying to clear up the record. I just got to make sure everybody knows this is all a big misunderstanding. That's very weird, because if that's Alex's understanding, it can't possibly be. No, no, no, no, no. It may be something that sounds like maybe this will make make us all sound less malicious. I'll call it the zero hedge article.

I won't say that it doesn't matter what he was reading because he said things that weren't true and weren't in the article. So. Yep. So they play some of this and then it comes up that shortly after this, this video that Owen made got taken off YouTube. Right. There was a strike on it. Right. And Alex is asked whether or not that freaked him out. And that's a specific language that maybe should be a sign.

If a lawyer says, did that freak you out? Do you think the lawyer says, oh, that freaked me out all the time? Generally, that's not going to be in his vernacular. No. Now, on July 20th of 2017, so a little over three weeks from Owen's broadcast there, you recall that YouTube removed that video? I believe we talked about this earlier. You refreshed my memory of it.

OK. And that freaked you out, right? Objections. No. OK. You were perfectly, you know, nonplussed by it. I don't remember. OK. But you know, you weren't freaked out. I might have been. I don't remember. OK. Well, why don't we pull up exhibit number one or seven? Oh, no.

I will represent to you, Mr. Jones, that this has been produced to us as a text message exchange between Rob Do and Nico Hosta. And that Nico, on July 20th, texts, Mr. Do AJ freaking out about the YouTube stream strike. What's your ETA to the office? You see that? Yeah. OK.

Does that refresh your memory about what your reaction was to this? No, I just know I told people not to talk about San Diego, so I'm sure I did say what the hell are you doing? Oh, you think you were upset about Owen publishing that video? I'm telling you, I don't remember, but I know I didn't want people covering. I told you that. So Mr. Jones. Do you know that you rebroadcast personally?

Owens broadcast that YouTube had struck. You couldn't have been that angry, right? Objection. I don't remember. I don't know what you're talking about now. Yeah, I can't know what you're talking about. This is yeah, there's really no answer for me here. I vividly remember so many Mr.

Magoo cartoons because of the the manner in which it was almost a Rube Goldberg that wasn't working, you know? Every he wandered through without being hit by anything. Yeah. What if he was dead and just got beaten by sticks for hours? Chris Maddie, I'd like to introduce you to my lovely wife, Huckoat Wreck. Yes, exactly. What in the hell is going on?

My only Mr. Magoo joke. Yeah, he's married to Huckoat Wreck. Well, they can't see very well. That's right. That's kind of the thing. So the Las Vegas shooting comes up now. Strap it in. Oh, boy. Alex has a conspiracy. Oh, God, no.

The Las Vegas shooting was the deadliest mass shooting in US history, correct? You know what it was? I'm not sure it was. You recall that 60 people were killed. I do. 411 wounded initially. I don't have the numbers for me.

Massive death. Right. Church for you. That's terrible, yes. And on that day, just as you done with Sandy Hook, you indicated that it was staged by the government, correct? Objection. Yes, that day before it happened,

I said right at the end of my show, I said they'll probably attack like a rock concert or something very soon. I said, I said, it's probably 10 o'clock at night or something. I did say before that day. You said before the shooting even happened, you told your audience that they'd likely attack a rock

concert or who would likely attack a rock concert. The globalists. OK. So you predicted it. I remember it was a Sunday show. And you guys, I guess you can find that if you want to wrap the other show. But your testimony is you predicted it would happen.

Yes. Sorry, you got to answer honestly. Yes. OK. And then because you had predicted it, you knew that it was actually staged by the American government, correct? Well, no criminal elements working with one

of the other Saudi factions in civil war. Criminal elements in the American government. Criminal elements in the American government. We're working with the Saudi Arabian factions, Saudi Arabians. In which department? I'm sorry? The American government.

Well, I mean, obviously, some elements of the CIA, there's different factions and. I'm sorry? Some of those organizations and then they had the. Organizations within the CIA. Yes. Which ones? There's a lot of different factions. Yeah, who?

Was a little different clandestine splinter groups. What are their names? A lot of those types of groups don't have names. They're clandestine splinter groups within the CIA. And although you don't know their names, you know that they were involved in staging the murder of 60 people at a concert in Las Vegas. Sixty of 60 Americans.

Yes, I mean, for what purpose did they do that? It was a way to embarrass Trump and do a test and to and to. And that's why Trump basically launched a covert U.S. invasion with Saudi allies on this. Sorry, what? And then took out the government and then put the new government in. He took out the Saudi government.

Took out the large faction that was involved. Yes. And he did that in response to, by the way, did and your source for this is what now? I mean, this was a lot of this came out in pieces of the news and also people involved. So I know that was involved. Well, that's that's media sources and things like that. No, who was the source for you on this?

I can't give up sources in the journalistic capacity. Jones, you're not a journalist. I do work journalist and I don't give up my sources. Well, OK, I guess we're going to have to move to compel you to disclose the source for this horrible crime committed by the United States government that you've described.

Well, pieces of information that I then came to that conclusion were this. OK, well, we'll move to compel that. There's there's not going to be an answer to this. I'm I'm going to be. I'm going to tell you, I was going to be disappointed. You're going to be disappointed. Shit. Yep. So what's going on here is that Alex is combining

the Las Vegas shooting and when MBS took power Saudi Arabia, when he held people at the Ritz-Carlton. And yeah, there was that purge in the in the government. So Alex has turned the Las Vegas shooting into a prelude to that. And then Trump orchestrated, I guess, a regime change in Saudi Arabia. So I mean, as somebody who has Alex's political set and his beliefs, he should be totally cool with that.

He should be totally fine with Trump secretly installing a different government share in a sovereign country. Yeah, he's he's into that kind of thing. Regime change and what have you. Yeah. And it's worked out really well for the like things that Alex values in a free society. Totally, totally. So it all was for the good. Yeah, I guess I I don't know if I can get over some of these groups

have no names. Yeah. That the delivery is solid. That is maybe the best way to answer that question. There's no other answer because you're either going to make up a name right or you're just going to say I don't know. But coming in with they have no names like fucking Batman. Why would they have names? You're a fool. You're a fool.

You are an idiot, sir. You are the fool. You make yourself sound dumb, asking for names. Trump installed a new Saudi regime because he was practicing to do the dog. I know that I've heard Alex say some of that stuff like on his show and what have you, but it's weird to hear it in deposition. It feels like he really thinks that's how it happened.

Mm hmm. That is a thing he believed. His tone has like more of a like, I think you're actually saying this. Yeah, yeah, then a lot of his other clients. He's on comfortable ground and he and I think he has the tone that he feels proud that he knows he knows this when other people don't. Yeah. Yeah. Poor guy. Yeah. So he the topic of Pizza Gate comes up.

Sure. And Alex discusses this a tiny bit and then is a little bit wishy-washy about whether or not that shooting actually even happened. Oh, okay. All right. You familiar with a gentleman named Edgar Madison Welch? No. Would it refresh your recollection if I told you that that's the gentleman who opened fire on a pizzeria in Washington, D.C.

If you said that was his name. Well, you covered that fairly extensively, didn't you? Yes. And you had broadcast over many shows, your claim that a restaurant called Comet Ping Pong in Washington, D.C. was actually being used by high level Democrats as a site for sexual trafficking of children, correct?

I covered the news covering it. I didn't was nowhere near creating that story. Okay. Did you ever assert to your audience that that was in fact true, that the Comet Ping Pong was in fact being used as a location for child sex trafficking? No, I did talk about some of the people there, like Tony Podesta and others that are well known for their their taste in things.

And how was the restaurant connected to that? They did fundraisers there. There was a lot of art and weird things, but there was also stories that weren't true about basements and all the rest of that stuff. And we picked up and covered some of those stories that were first on 4chan, 8chan and picked up by the mainstream news. We then debated and covered whether. Debated. That was true or not.

And wild. And that's what happened. Whether what was true? Whether or not that that place was being used for the child trafficking that is discussed in the WikiLeaks. And your testimony is that you never stated that it was, in fact, being used for that purpose. We we did reports on it and I know you did reports on it, but I'm just asking you, I'm just asking you what your what your testimony is.

Are you testifying today that you never asserted on your show that the Comet Ping Pong was a child sex trafficking location? I never said from my memory myself that that that was certainly happening. OK, wow. You said amazing. When you say you never said it was certainly happening. Did you ever say it was happening? Not to my memory. OK. But.

A gentleman named Edgar Madison Welch went and shot up that pizzeria. Correct. That's what we're told. And oh, you you you have doubts about that. I was to say shot up. I mean, he opened fire in the pizzeria. Do you agree with that? Was anybody shot? No, I know I'm shot. I think don't think he like shot into doors, a wall.

OK, so you agree that he shot into the restaurant? I think he went into the restaurant reportedly and open fire. Yes, that's what that's what I heard. OK. And you believe that to be true? I don't know. You don't. It's very bizarre. That's that's a that's a strange level of just knee jerk denial.

Yeah, that's that one's just complete. Like I just refuse to agree with you on principle. Yeah, yeah, it's defiance for its own sake. Yeah, I'm Alex Jones. I'm not just going to say this happened. OK, you're going to need to really fight me before I will just be like, yes. Yeah, I've walked into too many rakes today. Yeah, I've got to stand up a little.

So no, it didn't happen. Yeah, you know, it interests me. It interests me. What he said debates is because I do feel like the more I hear them continually talk about it, the more I think that they believe they were having debates not on the show, but they believe their show is in conversation with the rest of the mainstream media.

That's interesting. You know what I'm saying? I I wonder if you're overreading it. I don't know for sure. That is an interesting way to look at it from an outside perspective. Yeah, that that is an argument that he could make. Sure, it would be bad for him still. Not a good idea. No, if he viewed himself as being in debate with the mainstream media

or or or his perception of the mainstream media, then that's fine. But it doesn't excuse or absolve him of his his actions, even in the slightest. No. And it also is really surreal to have like his him saying that, like, I was reporting on things that 4chan and 8chan were saying that the mainstream media reported on. Yeah, you just were reporting on things. Unfortunately, yeah, you know, it's not like the New York Times

was using 4chan as a source. No, they tend to not do that. They try not to do that. Yeah, it's usually a good idea. But that is his perception of like the mainstream media, I guess. Yeah, yeah. So distorted. Yeah, it is a fascinating thing to me because he really does, you know, and normally it wouldn't make sense.

But I do think he thinks he's talking to the TV. He no, he thinks he's talking to him. Well, that's you know it. You are correct. Well, but here's the thing. I think that you have an interesting, like sort of textual analysis of this. I'm doing a historian's job. Yes, but I don't think that's how Alex is expressing it. I think he's really just trying to evade responsibility for the things he's saying

by pretending that they were just talking about, right? Right. Is this possible? Yeah. And I'm sure he's trying to think of more like, you know, we had climate debates where we had an expert who said this and then we said this. You know, it's kind of just the standard evasion. Right. Of like, we just listen to all sides. Right. No, I'm trying to get deeper inside their brains. Can you believe that people shit on us for having these conversations

that are so important? Joe Rogan talking to Matt Walsh. We just leave out the part where there's other ideas. Right. Yeah, those ideas are. They're mean. They're so tired. We lose debates. So we have debates without the other side. Yeah, that's the way we do it.

So a really interesting line of discussion comes up and that is whether or not Alex's audience should trust him and I agree with Alex here. I want to just see if you can answer this one question before we take a break. You want your audience to trust you, right? You know, I just get up there and say what I think. And I really actually don't try to get people to love me or hate me or any of that. I just do. Do you get him to trust you?

Objection. No, I'm not a question norm. Got in a creeper van trying to get people to trust me. I'm just I'm just out there firing all my guns at once and trying to explode into space. Wow. And so you don't care if your audience trusts you or not. Objection. No, I really don't.

I really just try to be truthful and just try to put some of what I do is having fun. Some of it's satire, some of it's news, some of it's punditry, some of it's anger and rage. I mean, it's just real. So so I guess then. Should your audience trust you or should they not trust you? Sorry. Objection. I think my audience should trust God. No, I don't think my audience should trust me.

I think my audience should research everything I say, because I'm trying to tell the truth, but I'm a little crazy. I think that his audience shouldn't trust him. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I mean, you're in simple. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, this introduces an interesting problem for Alex. It does. And so when you ask, you know, this is just a great question for the lawyer to be asking.

Right. Should your audience trust you? And if you say, yes, they should trust me, then you're telling them that these people are actors. And, you know, they should just take you at your word at this. You're misleading people. And but if you say no, then it becomes a thing. You were saying these people are actors. If they don't trust you, but you want them to look into this stuff, where does that lead us?

And so Alex just starts ranting and dodging because he realizes he's he's fucked. He's in a trap. Again, he got trapped by words. I'm saying in general, like Ron Reagan said, trust and verify. Right. So go go verify what I'm saying is what you mean. When you say, go, let's investigate. I was it consciously trying to say that, you know, somebody should go be mean to somebody. That wasn't even really directing people to a specific place.

I know that's all part of your your your narrative. Well, when you say, let's investigate Sandy Hook, you are telling them to invest. Well, there were people already investigating. I'm saying, you know, go, go to the council, ask for documents. That's your right. That's what transparency is all about. Some of those people ended up believing you that my clients were crisis actors and they wanted to unmask them for being involved.

I mean, there's been a lot of examples of stuff you guys have said about me in the news that I know is not true and it's meant to make people hate me. And if some crazy person shoots me, is it going to be the fault of you guys? And no, it's not going to be. That's that person and their actions. It's up to them. It's authoritarian system where your neighbor does something wrong. So you go to jail, too.

Or or oh, and again, the Democrats are all over here talking about mostly peaceful protests, go out and confront people if Trump wins, we're not going to accept it. And then when Republicans do it, it's the worst thing ever. But Democrats, that's the whole thing about it. What you don't get is everyone knows I've got problems. People tune in because they know it's a train wreck sometimes, but it's real. And they know I've got problems. And I get delusions just like they do, just like the left does.

None of us are perfect. Some of the people who listen to you, they have problems, too, right? Yeah, they're crazy, too. And they're not sanctimonious like the left. And they're crazy, too. Hey, what is a woman? And they're delusional, too. Right, Mr. John, a woman is a biological female of the mammal species.

I don't want to look at the camera. No, because because it's like, you guys can't even say what a woman is. And you're telling me that you're not crazy. You know, what's interesting about what you're doing right now is you're avoiding my questions instead. No, you guys act like. I ask a question, Mr. Jones answered the question.

Thank you, Mr. Palace. This all spiraled out of control because Alex realizes that no matter where you go with the question of trust, especially when he was saying trust, but verify and he's thinks no matter what angle he takes, he's fine. It leads down a road where the lawyer is going to have him pinned down on something he does not want to be involved in. So he starts throwing around the what is a woman thing, you know, because that is meant to elicit an emotional response in the person

that he's talking to. And generally he can get out of any of these tight situations with that shiny key and it just doesn't work. Yeah, I mean, he might as well have screamed free Charles Manson. Like it is like what? I told somebody to do something and then they did it. That's not my fault. Well, by some logic, I mean, it is it is so funny because he does suddenly

realize like, oh, if they trust me, I said that they weren't real. They were crisis actors and then they went and behaved that way. And if they didn't trust me, they went to investigate because I told them that they were crisis actors and I told people that we should look into this. And you said we have to trust but verify. How do you verify? Exactly. Screwed. Yep. So they take a break and turns out that Alex shot a little video during the break.

He can't stop himself. He needs to get some feeling back. You know, like he's got a he's having a bad time in there. So he has to record something where he gets to yell. Yeah. Charles, I understand that during the lunch break, you made another video to be broadcast over your website about your deposition.

Correct. No. Sorry, what? Did you make another video? No. OK. Did you give an interview to the press? Yes. And during that interview with the press, you stated that the plaintiffs had asked that your deposition be designated confidential. Correct. I just said I wasn't going to talk about the deposition.

OK. Just listen to the interview. And am I correct that you said that the plaintiffs had asked that your deposition be marked confidential? I just knew you guys had asked for depositions to be confidential. I've been told that before and I've talked about depositions much. I don't know why I mean now you want a public. I haven't designated your deposition confidential.

OK, well, we want a confidential, just like you did the other ones. Well, Mr. Jump, you can talk about that with your lawyer. Sure. Why do you want the deposition to be confidential? I know you guys want to take snippets out of it. Part of your carbon bombing campaign to bias any jury. And I'd like to, you know, to have this presented at trial.

Or if you're going to do like banks is done in Texas, I'm sure you will release it, select pieces of it. Well, why don't didn't Mr. Bankston publish your entire deposition to his website? But not what they put on YouTube. They put up edited versions. Well, Mr. Jones. Yesterday, you discussed your deposition to your audience, right?

I mean, I discussed the fact that you were like denying there's a new old order. OK. Mr. Jones, you've been claiming to your audience for years that this litigation is part of an effort to silence you, correct? Yes. OK. But when you have an opportunity to give testimony in the case to defend yourself, you want to keep that confidential, right? I mean, I think, I mean, I think the deposition is better if it was

capital trial and we can ask, you know, the judge about that. It's a side issue. Also, I think Alex was talking about us. Yeah, totally. 100 percent. That was us. Yeah. But we're the only ones. That's just us.

Oh, boy. So Alex quoted heavily from a piece about himself in Rolling Stone. For his bio. Right. And so this comes up as Maddie is reading Alex's bio. And there's something else in that Rolling Stone article that maybe Alex should not know about. Oh, and so you obviously read that Rolling Stone article. I did. Now that reminded. Yes.

All right. And so you're aware that that article also described a gentleman named Byron Williams, who was arrested following a gun battle with California police and was a avid listener of yours. Do you recall that? I don't remember that. So you don't remember that the article described Mr. Williams as a devotee of yours who was arrested when he was on his way to shoot up an organization called the Tides Foundation.

Can I read about that? Can I see it? Well, that's this is do you have that on your website? You probably wouldn't have featured a fan of yours going to shoot up the Tides Foundation, would you? Objection. I don't see that part. Yeah, no, no, it's not on your website. I'm saying can you can you show me the quotes, what you're talking about?

I don't have the article as an exhibit. No, I'm saying you don't remember that part of the article. I'm not I'm not shirking what you're saying. I'm just the Tides Foundation is not a big thing I was covering. What is more of a Glenn Beck thing? Actually, Alex is right. And that's such an amazing memory he has to be able to recall so easily that Glenn Beck was the one who is obsessed with the Tides Foundation.

He is bad at this. Alex isn't totally off the hook, though, because his conspiracy stuff feeds into Becks and Becks. Whole thing about the Tides Foundation traced back to it. Just being another Soros puppet master narrative. So it's all basically the same shit with slightly different labels. Byron Williams was also a reader of Info Wars. In his jailhouse confession, he said, quote, I'm actually mad at Fox.

I'm mad at them because they go on to something else. It's like they drop the issue and it lands on a shelf somewhere to collect dust. And that's what's happening to the truth. It's going out and collecting dust. I say you're not going to let these people get away with this stuff. You can't let them get away with it. So this was my action because of Fox's neglect. This isn't an insane perspective.

This is the logical endpoint of the narratives that people like Alex and Beck disseminate. This guy is expressing an understandable disappointment that these people who claim to have uncovered the truth and these grand conspiracies, they just move on to some other topic and they never actually do anything seems weird, doesn't it? Obviously, it's not rational to shoot up a foundation, but it makes total sense for someone who believes in someone like Alex or Beck

to get to the point where they've had enough with the inaction. Why isn't anybody doing anything? It's that tension state that Alex and Glenn Beck's propaganda is meant to keep people totally and some people will inevitably break under that that that amount of tension. Right. It's designed that it's a feature. You're essentially telling me that the only way to save the world is to do something and then the next day you're moving on to a different thing.

Yeah. How is that possible? Yeah. And it's like, well, yeah, he's I mean, the problem is he's making rational choices within a framework of insanity. Yes. You know, well, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Matty brings up Matthew Mills, the guy who Alex had on his show and then ended up harassing people at the Soto Family Memorial Run. And here's a clip of Alex failing to answer if he knew that Matthew Mills was

a listener of his show. I mean, I don't remember all the details. I remember having a guy on the God of the Super Bowl. Well, when you said, though, he's a listener of the transmission. He must have told us that. I'm guessing I want to speculate. That's what you meant, though, when you said it, that he was a listener. I don't remember this.

I remember vague amounts of it. So I have to see it. Well, shows, are you doodling while I'm asking you questions? I am. Would you like to see it? No, I don't want to see it. I'd like you to just pay attention to my questions. It's just I'm relaxing listening to you. OK, I get the feeling that you're not taking this very seriously if you're

doodling throughout the question. Objection contest. Yes, I am. I'm doing this just to relax. OK. It doesn't take much brain power to doodle. OK, well, I'd like you to focus more on applying a brain power to tell me what you meant when you said he is a listener of the transmission. Doesn't take much brain power to doodle. I mean, honestly, in my in my understanding,

I think it is him being he's better able to answer your questions. I think if he is doodling at the same time. Right. Like if he had his blanket. Yeah, absolutely. He's a child. He's a child. Yeah. 100 percent. And think about like some of this other stuff, too. I've been I don't really know how to articulate it exactly, but there's this trend that I see where it's so much stuff is about like

they say we're bad people or I didn't say to be mean to him. Yeah, the articulation and the way that Alex labels people as good people, bad people, harassing victims, families is being mean to them. You know, it's a very childish prism that he looks through. And I don't exactly know I don't know how to phrase it any better than that or give any more depth to it, but it's it's pretty consistent. This doodling is just just another amped up version of it. No, I really I really think if you had like a, you know, the the pediatrics

who who like have the stages of growth, you know, like zero to two, this is about right, the 98th percentile in scores from six to eight or something like that, you could you could slot Alex into the six to eight easy. I think I think an argument could be made. Yeah. So we get to a period where Alex is being made to read things. And how does it go? It's actually reads better than you would have expected. Oh, that's nice.

But this is going to be there's a little bit of like some stuff that's kind of amusing, and then this will lead into something that is pretty tough. Yeah. And I'll give a warning before we get to that. But just so you know, there was there's going to be an extended stretch where Alex is reading from the first responder EMT's report. Oh, man. And I normally probably wouldn't put it in. But I think that there is a value to it. And I'll explain that when we get closer to it.

All right. But for now, Alex is made to read a comment from his website, which he understandably does not want to. I imagine you see the comment left by Busta speaker 2.0. Yes. OK. Can you read that for me, please? You want me to read random comments on the internet now so it's in my voice for HBO? Well, it's not a random comment on the internet. It's a comment on your website.

But I mean, you could go to YouTube and find stuff like this right now. Do I read it? Do I need to read this? No, this works like I do like puppet stuff. I can the rules and objections is I can only object to the form of a question. I would say the document speaks for itself. Is it necessary that he read it aloud? I don't need any.

But I mean, this is somebody. Why do you want me to say bad things? Somebody in a random comment said that's not that's just dirty. Can you read it? Can you? But I'm not the witness, not in this website. Can you read it? Can you read it? Yeah. So Alex goes on to read it and listen to that.

This is amazing. OK. Sandy hoax to your anniversary. Commemorative postings. Mary Hoax, Miss Newtown residents. Number two, hope all your hoax perps are really enjoying your hoax must give houses. Remember, Alex Jones did not read this when they edited for HBO.

Number three, found Noah yet. Lenny trying using Kevin for your search to probably start the HBO show with this. Founding Noah yet. Lenny trying using Kevin for your search engine name. Hint, he's not at Halbix. Four, also hope all your aimless, roundy, round walkers have found your way home. And number five, brought Emily a new dress yet.

Robbie, get out of right this or say this. This is not me. Well, he has this idea that, you know, it was the same thing in the first day of deposition, so he wouldn't say people's names, presumably because he thought they would edit it or some reality that was covering for him not knowing anybody's names in this time. It does feel like he's like, they're going to make me say these things. And then this will be a sizzle reel, totally, which is bizarre.

It is it is indicative of how he would have, you know, like he's telling you, this is what I would do to you a hundred percent. Like it's insane. This is my business model. I mean, yeah, he's like, this is the way it's done. How do I know that? I do it. That's what he's that's what he's doing.

He's like, you don't understand the business. Right. Yeah. And I would deserve it because of the tiny clip of Robbie Parker that I showed over and over again. Yep. Yeah. That's probably part of his mental processing. Yep. So here's where we're going to get to the the difficult part.

If you have, you know, sensitivity about graphic depictions or imagery about the aftermath of the shooting. Yeah. Go ahead and skip forward. I don't know, maybe 20 minutes. All right. It's this is a long clip. OK. But there's a reason because something happens throughout it that I think is critical to keep track of and understand.

And that is that as Alex is reading this, pay attention because you can see him trying to come up with conspiracies as he's reading the EMTs report. It's fascinating, but also really the juxtaposition of Alex's voice reading this is really dark and grotesque. Yeah. And there's another added element of like, it's really difficult to escape from the awareness of like, this is what he lies about. Yeah. You know, like hearing these details and just recognizing that this is the man

who would take an event like this and lie about it is just really dark. So anyway, skip ahead if you need to. Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and go to the bathroom. OK, for this section. Fair enough. I want you to read. Beginning with this paragraph, I do not recall. This is page four of eight.

I do not recall if we regroup before proceeding. I do not recall we were before proceeding, but my next memory is entering room eight. And if you move the right kind of clockwise, I did not see anything getting some distance around the room or direction. I moved down an aisle along the southern chair of the room as it did so, observe the bodies of two adult females lying on the floor. There's a west side of the room. There was an open partially open door side of this corner of the room.

I initially thought this was a closet. So I approached or I was initially unable to comprehend what I was looking at. I started to disbelieve or recognize the face of a little boy on top of a pile. Little boy was face up. I was looking at a profile of the left side of his face, the top of his head to the west. I do not recall the position of the body. I then began to realize that there was other children around the little boy. It was actually a pile of dead children.

I was able to recall specific images, but I recall that many had horrific injuries. Other than the two dead adult females, there was no obvious signs of blood or tissue around the room. My first impressions with the children had been killed elsewhere and hit in the bathroom. The face of the little boy was the only specific image that I got in the room. I did not recall my actions. First room, I recall someone's blacked out. So exit the room and also that my handgun was holstered at the time.

Is that it? Oh, I should read it. Yes, sir. That sounds weird. No blood. Wow. So stepping out of room eight, I observed the rooms in the east were being evacuated. There were police officers in both directions. I decided that my services were best realized if I worked in EMS capacity.

Others worked to clear the building. I'm an active in the EMS Rescue Association. I've held a certificate in EMT for 32 years. You read this when this report came out in late 2013, correct? Objection? Objection. I think I even, yeah, that's pretty weird that there was no

agency blood because if I've done a lot of hunting, you know, deer and stuff were like mammals, the same thing, you know, similar, you know, a lot of things. That was the interesting part there at the top. Again, I'm not saying this report's even fraudulent, just with Dr. Whitehurst, one of the head guys, the FBI Crime Lab, saying that they knew people were just basically framing thousands of people. That's for more of the, you know,

a lot of the confidence is lost in government reports. That's why it's normal to question them. You're saying that you you read this at the time and questioned. I don't remember. I remember saying that. That you read this report of Gilperio at the time and it caused you to suspect that this was

further evidence of there being a hoax because he did not report the presence of blood. Can I read that again, please? No, I'm asking the question. I have to read again. I thought that was just interesting. Well, you just testified just now as you were reading this, that isn't that weird? And you said that you were surprised.

He said he was surprised. You're saying that in what you just read, Sergeant Kerrio said that he was surprised about what I have to look at it again. I can't remember everything I read. I can't see it again. He says I am unable to recall specific images, but I recall that many had horrific injuries. Correct.

Other than the two adult, the two dead adult females, there was no obvious signs of blood or tissue around the room. And my first impression was that the children had been killed elsewhere and hidden in the bathroom. So he says other than where the two adult females were, you didn't see blood in that area, correct? Do you know where the children were found? I think it's a good answer.

And that's where you'd expect. Are you suggesting here in reading this, are you still trying to maintain for some reason that you think this report is further evidence of suspicion because you think that Sergeant Kerrio didn't adequately describe the presence of blood? Is that what you're doing? No, he said he was surprised. And that's what a lot of people, I remember that I got discussed vaguely, that that that that a lot of people said, OK, but there were no said it.

I don't remember. He said he was surprised. I'm sorry, I'm surprised. Surprised at what? And I mean, if people have giant blood holes in them, whether they're killed there, there's blood all over the place. And maybe there is. I'm not all I'm saying is that's the kind of stuff people cherry pick.

And that's what gets in people's heads. I was being honest. Were you being honest when you read this that Sergeant Kerrio was an EMT and was working as an EMT in the building? When after you claim that there were no EMTs in the building, was that honest? Objection. I'm just I'm confused. I was going off earlier reports when people said I'm just saying that's very

interesting and he was surprised, Mr. Jones. You said in 2017 that no EMTs were allowed in the building, right? You agree with me that clearly there were objection, objection. He was surprised by the way the children look like they'd been placed there. Sergeant Kerrio was surprised if the children had been placed there. He said it looked like he'd bought some on the place from there. No, we said, Mr. Jones, that his first impression was that the children had been killed elsewhere.

That would be placed there. That would be placed there. They were killed elsewhere. They'd have to be placed there. This is this is not going anywhere. Objection. I'm just trying to think this is we're tired and we're. No, no, no, no, no, this this can stay. I'm not tired. I move to strike.

I mean, I'll just try to answer your question, especially in here. Alex is just constantly trying to find ways to rationalize his actions. Yeah. He's fine. He's finding something that he thinks looks like one of his quote unquote anomalies in here that he can use to be as the basis of like this is why it's reasonable for me to have

done the bullshit that I've done and I don't understand how somebody can like hear this description, much less be reading it. And that is where their brain is. No, I mean, it's terrifying. It sounded to me like when he heard when he read there was no blood, he was like, I wish I had known that. Right. That would have been really good for my back in the day. That would have fucking killed as a conspiracy about this stuff.

If only I had done any part of my job. Yeah, this is the this is the disgusting version of that. His brain never stops trying to find his angle. It's it's so clear. Like you can you can you can feel him thinking. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And not just that, but it is it is so much like he is revealing that he didn't read this. Yes.

You know, and by doing that, I mean, well, it involves reading. Yes, of course. But it is it is just like you shouldn't. You should have read this and it's a it's a revelation that he knows. Well, it's looking into the reality of something is bad for business. Sure. And like it's the same thing earlier that I wasn't paying attention. Right. I didn't care. I'm just I cared enough to talk shit.

I didn't care enough to read this. Why is anyone holding me responsible for talking shit? Right. So Alex has crafted this in his mind as this reason for suspicion and reason for why it's justified all of his actions. Look, there was no blood. Well, I mean, in the immortal words, it doesn't jive. Right. Yeah. Until you read a little bit further.

Oh, I want to turn page six. This is a Mr. Carrillo's report that we've just been reading. Why don't you start at the paragraph beginning my next recollection? My next memories. My next recollection. Oh, my next recollection is that when I returned to the school and went back to roommate, I believe the tenant Faganelli followed me and I returned to what I thought

was a closet that would later realize was a bathroom. I believe there was one or more gunshot holes in the door jam and blood splattered on the walls. I mean, I realized these children had actually been shot in the bathroom, not hidden there. I also recognized I had to check for possible survivors. It's prepared to check the room. I recall the tenant Faganelli's standing behind me, watching across some type of furniture, TFC kick was riding me with some software or somewhere from the room.

TFC. Carlo Guerrero 420 had entered the room and was diagnosed diagonally across from the room when I asked if anyone had access to a phone. Keep reading. Yes, please. I was about to see what was up. And I asked if anyone had access to a phone with a camera as I was about to disturb the crime scene.

I recall that TFC Guera took my phone. But there was a phone. But there was some confusion. And I did not wait. I later learned that TFC Guera took some photographs after I started moving bodies, my images of checking the children in the bathroom were not clear. I recall that the side of the pile of children was unimaginable. And some of the children had a riffing injuries.

I know that because I began to systematically check their life signs to remove the children. I remember calling into calling, I remember calling into the pile for the hope that a survivor would answer. And then I was watching and hoping to see movement. I pulled the children out of the pile on my one. And I did so place their bodies on the floor aside from the classroom. I started nearest the bathroom and placed the children in the row leading

towards the door. I had no specific memory how many children I removed. You see certain curio comment on the presence of blood spatter in that. Yes. The yeah. So you have you have Alex grasping its straws as he reads the beginning portion of this, trying to find things that he can present as anomalies, not realizing that a little bit later all like the things that he doesn't comprehend are perfectly explained and and and horrifying.

And he just will he'd rather make a cherry pick to the anomaly out of it because that's that's how he works. Well, if it if he had read it, he would have stopped when he saw when he got what he needed. Exactly. He would have stopped with it on Salazar and the chart that said that FBI says no one was killed. Yep. I got what I wanted. Get out. Yep. And it's dark. It's it's really fucking dark.

Yeah. That even in this setting, his brain can work that way. And that is just such a primary objective of his. And then I just I mean, I know it's awful and it's really hard to hear and hard to listen to, but there is a part of it that is that this is the this is in reality the event that Alex lies about. Yeah, this is the this.

This is the image of it is unthinkable. Like the EMT is saying totally. It's un it's unimaginable and and instead of instead of dealing with reality, Alex decided to lie and and exploit. Yeah, I the whole time he was reading that I couldn't stop thinking about Jesse Lewis and Scarlett's testimony whenever she was relating the story of him saving fucking lives, you know, him keeping people away from this story, you know, keeping them away from that.

Yeah. And it's just like to really hear him read it so blasé, so looking for something that exculpatory that that saves him, saves him. Yeah, you know, yeah. And it's just like it it really fucks me up. Yeah, it really fucks me up, you know, it's hard for it not to. It is it is like it's a setting records of cowardice. Totally. A reasonable person looks at that, listens to that and just goes a billion

dollars, you know, like fuck this guy. This guy needs to be stopped. Yeah, because he's not going to learn. It's not going to be. He's not going to learn. No, I mean, that's true. And I mean, I watched the sanctions hearing that they had or not sanctions, the punitive damages hearing that Norm and Maddie did earlier this week.

And Norm was almost making your argument. It's like a billion dollars isn't going to stop him. Yeah, a trillion dollars isn't going to stop. Yeah, he needs to be stopped. What amount of money like, but he was making that argument for like the fines should be lower. Yeah, exactly. Which is insane. No amount of money is going to stop this person from acting the way he does. So don't punish him as much brain.

You see this is what he does. Yeah, he can't stop himself. Yep, he cannot. He's reading this and he does not give a fuck. He's disconnected from the humanity and the reality of it. That's just he's disconnected from humanity and reality. Period. You know, it's hard not to see it that way. So we have a little bit of

content here left, a little bit of stuff to get through. But this is the end of the the grotesque portion. Yes. Yeah. And the deposition day wraps up with a little bit of an argument about whether or not they should keep going. So Maddie's questions and and then the Alex's lawyer and the guy who I believe is the lawyer for Genesis Communications Network. Right. Right.

They have an opportunity to ask Alex questions, but it's at the end of the day. And so like they need to regroup or decide to keep going. Sure. And Maddie doesn't want to break and come back another day unless there's a guarantee that Alex will appear for that. Yeah, of course. Absolutely. So this becomes a little bit of an issue. And Norm has a standing appointment somewhere at six that day. And so, of course, so it ends with that.

But before that, Maddie asks Alex, he shows pictures of the family members, the plaintiffs, and asks Alex if he knows who they are and then asks if he feels any responsibility for the pain that they've experienced because of his actions. Yeah. And Alex gets progressively more and more belligerent and hostile. Yeah. Well, yeah, because he's he would have to admit, you know, responsibility for something. Yeah. And so this begins with Alex just denying any responsibility for anything.

Do you accept any responsibility, Mr. Jones, for suffering you caused Erika Lafferty to experience in the aftermath of her mother's death? Objection. No, I don't. It's apples and oranges. I didn't I didn't kill her. I didn't kill any children.

And I really believe there were anomalies that later learned were not correct. And I corrected that and apologized at the time. And I am not the Sandy Hook man. Can you give us the next photo, please? What numbers? Do you recognize any of the people in this photograph, sir? No. Do you accept any responsibility for the suffering you caused?

Mark and Jackie Barden. As a result of the lies you told concerning Sandy Hook in the aftermath of their child's death. Objection. I did not kill her child and I don't I did not mean anything personally against them. Yeah, I thought it was like the WMD and Iraq thing or all the stuff we all the other lies we've seen. And so with respect to the lies that you told, you don't accept any responsibility for the suffering those lies may have caused. Objection. Jackie and Mark.

For a lot to be a lie, you have to know it's incorrect. And I didn't tell any of the things I was wrong about on purpose. Do you accept any responsibility for the suffering that your incorrect statements about the Sandy Hook shooting may have caused Jack and Mark and Barden, Jack, Jackie and Mark Barden in the aftermath of their son's death. Objection. If questioning public events and free speeches banned because it might hurt somebody's feelings, we're not in

America anymore, they can change the channel. They can they can come out and say I'm wrong. They have their free speech. Well, they don't have the ability to change the channel when people who are inspired by you threaten and harass them. You've not really proven that. Oh, boy. I I boy. Yeah, I just can't like, I don't know.

It's hard to it's hard to listen to this all and just think like how does Alex not think this is gone terribly? This is gone as badly as possible. Yeah, you, you, you, I. I that it is it is looking at it. How is it possible, you know, for this motherfucker to steamroll your life, you know, just out of just he can choose to steamroll your fucking life if it makes him money.

And then he'll say it was an accident and it shouldn't be a problem. Well, I mean, that is great until he has to pay a billion dollars. That's where we need to get him to pay that money. I just I feel I feel like optically, philosophically, even from Alex's own perspective, none of this plays well. No, it really is a is a terrible look of a petulant baby. Yeah, who refuses to really own up and be

at all an adult about about his own actions. So he gets a little hostile here towards the idea of taking responsibility. Naturally, do you recognize any of the folks in this photograph? No. Do you accept any personal responsibility for the suffering you caused? Matthew, Carly and Julian Soto as a result of statements you made concerning the Sandy Hook shooting, I've never said their names.

I didn't kill I didn't kill any member of their family. I never said their names. That's a no. That's a no. I mean, I refuse the false guilt you're trying to put on to me to destroy the first amendment. Wow. Oof. He he the one thing that he doesn't understand. And I I under and I it makes sense because if you've never experienced the

consequences for something and you always get what you want, why would you assume that your deflections and your attempts to get out of stuff make you look way worse? Right. Then if you just said yes or no, you know, it is you can you can tell like he's he's always gotten away with it. He can just wiggle out. He can get you emotional and then he gets rewarded for it.

So in what world would he think that it's a bad move? It always worked. Yeah, yeah, it does. And he can't recognize that in this circumstance, even from a crass cynical Alex's own personal motivations, perspective, even for him sticking to his guns or whatever. Yeah. Acknowledging the people's pain and saying I am I am sorry for my part in that.

It doesn't hurt him at all. No, and it only helps. No, I mean, very literally, if if in this deposition, he had actually expressed remorse and responsibility and taken something, maybe it would have been five hundred million dollars. I mean, who knows? But I mean, well, see, here's the thing, right? For him to do that, he would need to have a completely different mindset.

And having a completely different mindset might have made it five hundred million dollars. There you go. This soul act probably wouldn't make that big of a difference, right? But it'd be indicative of a whole different paradigm. Yeah. So we have one last clip here and it's he's shown a picture of Robbie Parker and he does recognize him. Well, yeah.

So that's a little bit of a twist. Do you recognize anybody depicted? What exhibit numbers is one? Do you recognize anybody depicted in this photograph, sir? Yes, Robbie Parker and his daughter. OK. Do you accept any personal responsibility for the suffering you cause Robbie Parker as a result of

the statements you made in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting? Objection. I did not personally mean him any harm, but I am sad for for his loss and his pain. And and I'm sorry of having to ask questions in this country hurt him. But again, I did not kill his daughter. And that's why I cannot accept the responsibility that you guys have created while you're out there giggling and laughing and celebrating in the hallway about all the attention you're getting.

And you come in here and talk all soft and sad and like you're manipulating people that have hearts and souls out there with your cold-blooded political apparatus. And so I will not buy into that fraud. Mr. Jones, do you agree that your statements in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook shooting caused Mr. Parker pain? No, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'll say it again. Do you agree that your conduct in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook

shooting caused Mr. Parker pain? And I couldn't touch. No, I didn't even create the story or pointed out first. I didn't cover it. So it's just a just a refusal of of anything that isn't even in line with things that he's said. He said earlier in this very episode that we're recording. I'm I'm sorry for any pain that was caused to Robby Parker.

He's a good man. You know, like this is this is just Alex recognizing the gravity of the moment that they're in at this point at the end of the line of questioning and him sort of feeling like he's got to be a defiant Colonel Travis type thing. Yeah. And it's it's misguided. It's disrespectful. It sucks. And that's Alex.

Yeah, I mean, I just. How how it's possible for, you know, so many people to have read in so many different outlets, you know, Alex finally apologized for what he did or anything like that, you know, it's like. There are the only thing that an apology is is taking responsibility for your actions and then working to correct them. That's the that's the foundation of what apology should be. And he fundamentally cannot do that.

Absolutely. It is not a possible thing for him to apologize. No, because I mean, all you need to really know about the penitence or lack thereof with him is when he reads EMT's account of being there, he's trying to find rationalizations for his own actions for his own lies that he told about Sandy Hook, what makes what about this helps me justify myself? Yeah, and that's that's that's him, man. Yeah, sucks. He sucks.

Yeah, it is. We don't we don't talk about him in the same way that we do serial killers. You know, well, because we don't know of any murders that he's done since childhood. Well, right, right. But I don't mean like in the in the context of like murdering somebody, but it is if you are reading a story about a serial killer there, they're not going to be like and then he was like, oh, serial killing is wrong. I got it now.

I'm really sorry about that. Everybody kind of gets the idea that if you're already on, if you're on body number five, rembourse is probably not for you. You know, and I genuinely feel like that's where we are with Alex. You know, it's like we're we're he didn't kill anybody. And obviously the well, yeah. But but it he's he's a serial killer. You know, I recognize what you mean.

There is there is not necessarily a point where he's going to suddenly realize that that, oh, no, the error of my ways. Yeah, yeah. And he is probably in too deep for any kind of moment of clarity like that. Yeah. Unless, of course, that is what he needs to do to try and make a redemption arc. Right. The only way he could be stay relevant.

Right. Pull a Glenn Beck, put on a sweater, talk to Samantha B. Put it down for a couple of years and then get right back at it. Right. Yep. Maybe if there is a other motivation, he could appear in some way to have had a had a moment. But I mean, even even in this same deposition episode that we're doing,

he's talking, he's lying about like breakthroughs. He's had in therapy and stuff. So like he knows he knows that he can he can maybe use that as some kind of a like I'm serious card or whatever. He's supposed to have it when you have a breakthrough in therapy. Everybody's like, whoa, this guy's changed. Instead, it appears that he was like, you're right. I am right about everything and I should never take responsibility for my actions.

Good call. Yeah. Thanks, therapist. So we come to the end of day two of Alex's depositions and we may do like another episode cleaning up day three and four. But like I said, they're pretty minor as a whole. And after how this I think we got the fireworks fireworks and more like yeah. It's too heavy.

Yeah. Yeah. And so yeah, we'll do that. And then probably Friday we'll check back in, see how the stream went. Maybe we'll see. I don't know who knows. I don't know at all. Nope.

But until then, Jordan, tell we'll be back. We have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge underscore fight. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo.

I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. Hey, dude, if you read the WikiLeaks. Nice. You got to read it, bro. You got to read it. And now here comes the sex robot. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.