Knowledge Fight - #752: Ye Took A Dip In The Pool

Episode Date: November 30, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan embark on a Wacky Wednesday, where they discuss breaking news about Ye, Milo, and Nick Fuentes appearing on Tim Pool's show, which did not go great. Plus, they discuss an episode of Nick's show, America First.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. Need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian color. I'm a huge fan and love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight.com. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed. We are Dan. Jordan. Jordan. Quick question. Whoa. You were over eager for that second Dan. I thought you were quick on the first day out. I didn't even

get Jordan. I heard you say Jordan. I thought you were going so fast. Wow. Okay. All right. You know what? Start the whole thing over. Hey, Jordan. What's up? What's your right spot today, buddy? Why don't you go first? Well done. You know what? I'm going to say it. I was trying to think of a bright spot that wasn't self aggrandizing along the way, but I'm going to do it. My bright spot because it happened. I was a guest on the God pod. If you recall. Yeah, you talked to God. They reached out earlier today and they were like, Oh, everybody said really, really nice things about it. And I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I am going to accept a compliment. I think that was nice. It made me feel good today. The Archangel Michael reached out and said, that's what I'm

saying. Great guest choice. You were really nice to me and I was above begrudgingly said that you had a good appearance because let's face it. You know, I can't have a good or bad episode on our show because you can enjoy or not enjoy the episode, but my job is to just be me. That's true. So I can't be like more or less me. Sure. There is just a baseline level that is just loud and unchanging. That's just what it is. You know, so it's nice to be singled out. Dan, it's nice to be special. I feel like the bell of the ball. Well, it's great. Congratulations. Thank you very much. I'm happy for you. You don't sound happy for me. I was trying to think of another angel. Exactly. That's where we're at. Sandelfon. Okay. I don't know. Sandelfon. No, I was thinking of like

Azazel. Azazel is a demon. My friend. Yeah, but still they can appreciate your appearance on the show. No, I think they might like it more. Maybe. Yeah. Well, that's great. Yeah. What's your bright spot, buddy? My bright spot, I guess, is I was at the store and I saw that they sold single slices of pie. Actually, it's a dual slice. It's two slices. It's two slices of a pie. Now, was your bright spot that you just saw you could do that? No, it's your bright spot that you followed through. I followed through. Oh, and I ate that. Oh, you ate all of it? But here's what's great. I think a whole pie is too much. That's far too much. Right. That's a reasonable thing. I'm not gonna make a pie. I am too busy and lazy to make a pie. I'm not gonna do it. So pie isn't part of my life

that much. Right. And so it was just kind of nice. It was a chocolate cream pie. Also, there was a cheesecake. Sure. Whipped cheesecake. Whipped cheesecake pie? Yeah, basically. I mean, cheesecake is a pie. Don't do this. Listen, I don't understand the nomenclature of pastries. Cheesecake is a pie. Boston cream pie is a cake. Let's move forward. I've had this argument too many times in my life and I don't have patience for it. I didn't even know that there was an argument. I'm fine with it. There is an argument. It's like a hot dog sandwich thing. I don't need any part of that argument either. So anyway, it's just nice to have a little pie in your life. You know, yeah, it's better than those like microwavable pies. You see it like a

7-eleven or something. Yeah. Well, yeah. So I would hope so. Oh, much better. Yeah. Anyway, bright spot. Just weak bright spot on my part. We have weak bright spots. This is not so Jordan today. We have an episode to go over. It's a little bit off the beaten path. Okay. And we'll get down to business on that. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Alex Jones can eat my ass. You are now a policy wonk. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, a little Dabby for me. Wait, why are we at the Capitol? Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Secretary of Defense, Steve

Potanick. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Drew's the warmongering motorhead from Mars. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, I'm Jed. And I'm half man, half bear, half pig and 89% wank. The math checks out. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, nothing happened on September 16, 1999. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, I love my nugget more than anything in the universe. And I guess my stinky hog boy too. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very

much. I feel like those last two had to have been connected. Nothing happened on September 16, 1999. And then I love my hog boy. I feel like we know. I'm guessing that that was like a birthday. I'm hoping. I mean, I feel like it was the birth of a hog boy. I feel like that's what we're discovering. Okay. So I'm looking up what happened on September 16, 1999. Okay. On, on this day.com. Dolly the sheep. 14.8 inches of rainfall hit Myrtle Beach from Hurricane Floyd. So that's one thing. All right. The Netherlands started their first season ever of the Big Brother show. Big Brother. Okay. All right. I've never seen Dutch Big Brother. Have you seen American Big Brother? Yes. I think they they cook Big Brother longer in the Netherlands. Oh,

that could be slow cooked. Yeah, I don't like that show. I don't care for it. Find it voyeuristic and weird. Yeah, it's very weird. So Jordan. Yes, Dan, for a long time, I've been of the mind that there is a type of right wing figure that I feel drawn to cover and a type that I don't want to use my limited amount of time focusing on some of the folks in that second category are there because I feel like other people are competently covering them and there may be little more that I could add to the conversation if we did engage. For example, I think that Dave Rubin is a subject that I don't really want to cover because he gets some good mockery from Sam Cedar and Timba on toast made an incredible in depth takedown of his rhetorical techniques and the show itself,

which you can find on YouTube. Covering his actual show would likely just involve me repeating critiques that are already well articulated and man, who cares if you're not adding anything to the space pocket? Yeah, I know. I know what I can and can't do. I don't think there's more to add there. Yeah, others are in that category because I feel like their primary game involves comedy. Joe Rogan generally falls into this category and I could probably cover any episode of his show for our podcast, but it would end up drifting into territory where we would just be over analyzing idiots making edgy offensive jokes. These are the sort of figures that I might cover, but it's kind of a case by case situation. Yeah, I think the concern for us is eventually we just

wind up doing punch up, you know, we're like, oh, that's I get where you're trying to go with that. Here's where that joke would be better. And then it's like, what are we doing? Even if you're trying to be offensive, the joke doesn't work because of blank. Exactly. And then it's like, what show are we doing? Right? Yeah. And then there are figures that I don't cover because they're basically troll attention chasers without any real merit past that point. Stephen Crowder is one of these folks. Tim Poole is also someone who I would include in that category. And I've had a number of people suggest that we cover pool in the past and I've never wanted to because he sucks really hard. And I don't even feel like taking him seriously is worth the time. I feel like he's

you know, I clout chaser is a bit of a overused term. I don't know. He has a billboard though, you know, he's got a billboard on the way to Midway. I saw a billboard for this. I'm not saying he's not relevant. I mean, no, no, no, here's what he is. He's nothing until he changes his name to cooler with pooler. That's just I mean, nothing to me until that happens. Tool time, pool time, a new home improvement. That's where you reboot home improvement to tool time with pool time. Punch up. There we go. That's what it's just never not going to happen. So I believe that the time has come for me to change how I approach these things a little bit. I'm not going to abandon focusing on Alex. Don't get that impression in your head, but I feel a

calling to branch out a little bit more as some trends appear to be growing in our country and other people who are Alex adjacent could probably use a bit more of the focused attention that we use to bring a larger understanding of what they're all about and how they misinform audiences for similar purposes that info wars does. Oh, yeah. And so today we're going to be embarking on a little bit of that. Oh, no, it better not be Tim pool. Is it Tim pool? Well, here's the thing. Oh, God, damn it. I had a goal in mind. I had an intention. Sure. And then we're recording this on Tuesday. And so last night, something happened on Tim pool show. Oh, no, that required a little bit really of attention. Okay. And it sort of dovetails in a little bit

with some of the thoughts that I already had kicking around my head. Are you aware of what I'm talking about? No, absolutely not. Okay. Here. That's that's great. Okay. I genuinely don't wait, wait, wait. Are we back to the beginning? Am I finally completely unaware of what's about to happen? You didn't you didn't hear about his show? No, okay, I don't give a shit about Tim pool. What part of cooler with polar didn't you understand? I ignore anything having to do with this bullshit. All right. Here's the introduction of the episode. I hope you had a good Thanksgiving. You were with your families or loved ones or at least relaxed. Oh, my God, is this going to be Kanye? There's a particularly big news story that's resulted in a continued news cycle,

which is now going on for over a week, which is in many ways unheard of. But right now, because Donald Trump went to dinner with yay and Nick Fuentes, among others, there it is, he is now being denounced by Mike Pence, several Republican senators. And for whatever reason, this story, for many reasons, I suppose people have made this story has persisted till today. And we are able to actually sit down with several of the individuals involved in that story, notably yay Nick Fuentes and Malianopoulos, of course, who made the dinner happen. It's my understanding. Before I met Milo. Okay, my bad, my bad. There you go. It's pretty cute that Tim is pretending to not understand why it's a completely fucked up thing for the former president and

candidate to be president again is having a meeting with these kinds of fucked up figures. I guess he's been away from the spotlight for long enough to people to forget what an embarrassing loser Milo is. But here he is. I wonder how he feels about his book's title now that his brand is that he's a former homosexual, probably not thrilled about that choice. Leaving that nonsense aside, even when he was a trolling gay, maga scam guy, Milo was a Catholic fascist. He said as much in an interview with Nick Fuentes years back, and his views haven't gotten better over time. Nick Fuentes is in the most generous description, a literal white identity extremist who has a history of Holocaust denial and spreading anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. He attended the Unite the

Right rally in 2017 when he was just 18, marching side by side with Nazis, chanting blood and soil and Jews won't replace us. Yeah. And then we've seen what's happened with yay lately. He's having a very intense public meltdown and he's fallen in with Fuentes and Milo, which I guess is forming the brain trust for his 2024 presidential campaign slash publicity stunt. There may be a mental health component to this, but ultimately I'm not in the business of infantilizing yay and he's entered a space where manic episode or not he what he's doing is going to get people killed. Yay is one of the biggest rappers of the past couple decades and as a gigantic fan base. When he does something like endorse Nick Fuentes or Milo and publicly associate with them and take them along to meet

with Trump, that sends a message to his fans. It's really depressing to imagine the number of people who would never have heard of Nick lest for this association and that's a real impact. Yeah. You know what I was wondering about? What's that? I was wondering about whether or not this actually makes sense for Fuentes and Milo because I think everybody on the surface level is like that makes total sense. Them famous person, obviously, but I mean, it just doesn't make sense. They're all white nationalists. The only people who like yay now are conservatives and it's not like yay was already selling shit tons of albums to conservatives and all of his fans were there. I kind of think this blows back badly on Fuentes and Milo more than it does on how can you

be a white nationalist if you're literally writing Kanye's coattails? Well, I think that there is an element of this that you think about it as we go along. Sure. As we go along, consider this thought that you're having because I think that there are tactical aims and things that are a little bit deeper below the surface and maybe two or three stages removed from the immediate. Sure. No, and it makes sense. I mean, believe me, I'm not defending any of them. They can all go fuck themselves at this point. Who gives a fucking shit about what I don't think anybody assumed that you were fuck them all. You know, I don't give a shit, but I'm just I'm just saying I don't think that I kind of have a hard time believing that there are yay fans who are looking

at yay's current behavior like he made them fans when he was good at music, right? And now he's bad at music and they're looking at his current behavior thinking I want to emulate this. He's doing a bad job at the thing. So only conservatives are liking yay now and conservatives hate black people. So I don't think it's going to help new neck. I think they might be fucked on this one. I think your assessment of celebrity is a little bit off. I could be way wrong on that on account of I don't understand it, even the slightest. I think that his fans have not all abandoned him in the way that you're imagined just because you don't like his music anymore. And maybe a lot of people think that it's slipped off a little bit. But I don't think that, you know, there is the

exodus of all of his fans in the way that you're imagining. Okay. Second, I think even if there is a evolution of the fan base, let's say there is still a massive celebrity here. Right. And that's something that needs to be factored in. There is a star quality. And beyond that, there is a piece of it that is just people won't not pay attention to this because of a super famous person. Now that's true. So I've said this many times and I'm going to say it again. Nick is a little bit of a scam type character, but he's not like the other people that we cover. He is an ideologue. He is a gifted speaker. He's an attractive young man. And he studied debate in high school, which is developed in him the ability to sound convincing to people who aren't listening to him critically,

even if what he's saying is complete bullshit. He understands the optical value of appearance over substance. By the time someone can realize he's wrong about something, he's already on to the next point. And that's pretty typical. Yeah, he's a high school debate person who got stuck in high school and now he's a white nationalist. Nick is involved in a political project and he's using yay to push that further. That project involves many important goals like the removal of immigrants from the country, the hardening of our borders and a requirement that people in government be Christian. Milo on his own is a complete embarrassment and loser who's relegated to Christian QVC type appearances on his own. He's meaningless, but he's not on his own.

He's apparently still a decent networker and through him, the combination of yay and Nick is now connected to Marjorie Taylor Green for whom Milo was recently an aide, apparently. And who knows what other connections Milo does or doesn't have. He's the sort of shithead who no one wanted to associate with publicly after, you know, that old Rogan thing and him talking about sure how to feel he was pretty great. Right. But that doesn't mean that he doesn't have connections behind the scenes. Like all manner of weird fringe creeps might have still stayed in contact with him. He might have a pretty relevant. I mean, let's not forget that he's only a few years removed from receiving Mercer money. Yes. So it's not like it's not like they would be like, oh,

you're burned forever as opposed to being like, oh, lay low for a few years and then we'll catch you back up. And who knows if there's still a connection with Bannon and totally. Yeah, it's all there. Yeah. This trio is interesting as a group because they all have things that the others need. Yay is famous as shit. And he's a lightning rod for attention, but has no real experience in the political spaces. Milo has that experience and connections, but he's become a bit of a laughing stock that nobody is really going to take seriously. Nick is savvy and media ready, but no one really wants to associate with him because his public image is that he's a Nazi who is at the United Right rally on January 6th, but people can't ignore him if he's attached to someone

like yay. And the thing they all have in common is Christian fascist ideology. Yeah, it does seem that way. Milo and Nick have been specific about their desire for Catholic fascism, but I think yay has yet to make his preferences fully known, but he's been very clear about basically a theocratic system. Yeah, but I mean, fucking who cares what he has to say. I'm blown away by it. You know, like, no, I care about all the evil shit he has to say that's causing damage. Sure. But I don't give a shit what he thinks might work. Why the fuck would I care what he thinks a good government would be? All I care about is he's an anti-Semitic piece of shit now, and we got to stop him for that shit. You know, I guess I don't think I was saying we're going to discuss his policy prescriptions.

That's a series. I don't know what you're pushing back on. I'm just saying, okay, then that's the other thing that they have in common, though, that you bring up is that they have pretty fucked up and front views about hating Jewish people. Yep. So it's a little insincere for Tim Poole to pretend that it's weird that this meeting was in the news. The former president and a candidate for the next election was meeting with the trio of Christian fascist ideologues who have a rich history of anti-Semitism. For whatever reason, this was in the this has stayed in the news. It's a it's a ridiculous thing to have happen. So weird to see everybody talking about a totally innocuous meeting between a former musical genius, incredibly weird loser fascist white dude,

and his incredibly weird loser fascist white dude friend, and the former incredibly weird white dude fascist president. That's a weird thing. It's understandable. Yeah. Anyway, Tim has all three of those you talk about. Of course. I can't believe you didn't hear about this. Why would I give a shit? All right. All right. So it's not just yet. This is a very big story. A lot of people have questions about, you know, what were Trump's intentions, why were certain people invited, and Trump, of course, has issued statements. So a lot of people want to know where he stands. And more importantly, what happened there and why. And there's also the questions about what ye 24 means. And I'll keep that a little bit vague so that they can answer to that. I mean,

speak more to that. Of course, questions to get into a lot of different issues. However, head over to Tim cast dot com and become a member. We're going to have a members only uncensored show, which will probably get a bit more in depth on a lot of other issues. Dick. I'll just leave it that Tim cast dot com become a member, support our work, and we'll talk about more there. I might be reading a little bit into things, but it's my sense that Tim is trying to get people to go sign up for the website to get the bonus members only video with the implication that this was where there was going to be a conversation about the juice stuff. Sure. That was where that was going to happen. Yeah. If you listen to this episode,

you get the sense that Tim had a structure in mind of how this was going to go, where they would talk about the Trump dinner, and he would pat himself on the back for being a great journalist and getting these primary sources in there. Then they'd get to the anti-Semitism stuff later in a way that he could maximize his benefit from. People like Tim Poole know business and you don't want to give away the main event on free TV to use wrestling lingo. Yeah. You're trying to move the pay-per-view bias. Obviously. You don't want to have the big feud, the big heel get beat up by the face on raw. It's interesting. It's interesting how that works considering like you never saw HBO do like nine episodes of Game of Thrones and then like season finale.

You got to pay extra for it, bro. You know, like that's an interesting model that somehow works. Well, I mean, that is still just like subscription base. That's a fair point. So like you're already paying for all of that. Fine. I guess a cable TV finale or whatever. Yeah. Sure. That makes more sense. You're not paying for any of this. Fair point. You still got to get a ticket to the movie of the X-Files. The movie of the X-Files is true. There's a Simpsons many, many years later. I don't know. Yeah. Unfortunately, yay almost immediately starts rambling tangential thoughts and gets into his feelings about Jews really early in the interview and Nick and Milo fully have his back. Yeah, of course.

Tim Flounder is a little bit and then spoiler alert. Yay storms out. After which point, I can't believe you didn't hear about this. Why would I have heard about this? It's a lot of people were talking about it last night because you stormed out. I'm officially off of Twitter. I'm off of all social medias. I'm out. I'm in the wilderness now. Fair enough. So after that happens, Tim and his crew of co hosts sit around and talk about how well Tim handled himself and how he hates people who subscribe to identity politics because I guess that's how Tim decided to avoid saying anti-Semitism. Wow. This is the long and short of what happens, but we'll go through a little bit more of this because it's really interesting to see how these

dynamics play out in action, like in front of you. Yeah. And I think that, I mean, look, faint praise, perhaps, but I think Nick comes off great because he doesn't say shit. Basically, he avoids getting involved too much. Milo is eager to say things. Of course. Milo's been on the back bench for way too long. Milo's getting his first taste of coverage again. Of course he's going crazy. From my sense of it, I don't think that Nick likes Tim Poole much, just as a whole obvious fucking reasons. He's listen. He's also certainly in other contexts, not welcome on the show. Obviously. Yeah. Like, what are we talking about? This is such a weird. I don't think Tim or I don't think Tim or Nick is unaware that each other is aware of that. Yeah.

I mean, they would have to dynamic is very obvious. It does. It does have the feeling of like, if the Ayatollah and a conservative, like a prosperity gospel pastor got together, they'd be like, listen, I don't agree with you and I want you to die. But actually, everything we want the world to be is pretty much identical. So we got a lot to talk about. Apparently not. Because this goes about 20 minutes. Fair enough. Anyway, he has some co-hosts, Tim does. Sure. And this blew my mind. Luke's here. Total sausage fest tonight. Welcome. My name is Ukradowski of WeAreChanged.org. Today, I'm wearing my Epstein, didn't Epstein himself T-shirt. Great start on the best political shirts dot com. And I think

we should be using that word a little bit more, just like, you know, this YouTube channel didn't Epstein itself. And if this YouTube channel is Epstein, we will be streaming on Twitter. So yeah, I started the T-shirt company after YouTube demonetized me. So the best political shirts dot com because you guys buy it. That's why I'm here. Thank you so much for having me. Why didn't you say that YouTube Epstein, Tim? So this is fun because there is this preemptive thing of like, oh, this is so dangerous. YouTube is going to take this down as it's going on or whatever. So that's, that's fun. They always do this. But this is nuts. Maybe I haven't paid Tim enough attention, but I had no idea that Luke Radowski was one of his co-hosts. It's pretty

hilarious for Tim to try and take some kind of a centrist neutral position when Luke is a co-host. Luke Radowski is an old time Alex Jones associate and a big time 9 11 guy from way back. We are change was a group that was formed for 9 11 conspiracy shit and to push Ron Paul's candidacy, which is, you know, pretty centrist stuff. Yeah, I know that some somewhat left leaning people were suckered into supporting Ron Paul because of his opposition to war and support for weed. But people who are starting organizations to promote him weren't that naive about how extremely far to the right his actual politics were. Yeah, I find that to be a level of naivety that I'm not willing to accept. Yeah, and he isn't some kind of a bit player in the history of conspiracy

bullshit either. Like he's prominently featured in the 2009 documentary New World Order alongside Alex Jones and his drunk Bilderberg obsessed Holocaust denying friend Jim Tucker. Honestly, this is a bad look for pool with his whole game of trying to play like he's in the center and he's a really critical thinking type media figure, like palling around with 9 11 conspiracy theorist Alex Jones castoffs, maybe a bad look. Is that what he's supposed to be trying to do? That's his brand. Well, I don't know if that's wild. I think maybe people who like him view in that way. Okay, but I don't think I don't think anybody who would look at this with a critical eye would come away with that. I think I think here is my quick and dirty. Well, you might,

I'm sorry. I don't mean to interrupt you, but you remember how like Dave Rubin was like, I am leaving the left. I'm the last kind of kind of liberal. That kind of branding is really powerful. I think for people who want to push right wing ideas, try and avoid any kind of the like, I don't know, negative associations that come along with that. I think Tim is kind of in a similar milieu. That's wild because I've never seen anybody be like, Hey, Tim pool without also being a shit, shit head, you know, like it's one, one to one. Yeah. Not one ever regular ass, not shit head person has ever been like, Tim pools got some good ideas. You don't hang out in bad enough circles here. Probably right. Anyway, I'm sorry. I interrupted you already forgotten.

All right, let's do it. If it was important, I would have remembered it or I would be a different person. So this next clip shocked me. They're talking a little bit about how this trio came together. And that's an interesting question. Now I'm now I'm in. Yeah, I actually kind of wanted to listen to it. We'll see. And I think that this is one of the reasons why like when I was listening to it, I was like, well, can't not talk about this talk about that. I just want to start off by how did this dinner come to happen? And what happened? I was talking to Trump for about a month. We had scheduled the dinner in October, and then he announced for president and he he pushed the dinner back to November.

And I've been pulling together a campaign. And after I put up the the DEF CON tweet, a bunch of people that have been canceled, like Alex Jones, I started getting contact with other people that were now on the, you know, the inside of the matrix. And Alex Jones producer said that Milo wanted to contact me. And here we are. That's interesting because I think that reveals a few things. Oh my God. The first is that Milo is still in contact with Alex's producer and on good enough terms that he can send messages through them. Yeah, this could be Daria, I suppose, but it could also be one of the other figures around in fours like Rob do or the IT guy, Michael Zimmerman, who has a bunch of connections to really extreme fringe figures. So that could be

sort of a natural person. He would call the producer. Right. I just, I don't see it being Daria. If Daria is on email to email basis with Kanye, I just don't even know what the world is anymore. You know, yeah, like I just don't. Yeah, I don't know. But I don't know who it is. But that's a pretty interesting thing. Do has some beats. I think honestly, that's my issue with too much of this. Rob do isn't a band. I mean, I, the problem I have with Kanye and Milo and Nick Fuentes, aside from all their views is just like, what the fuck do you talk about when you're not being anti-Semitic? You know, like what? Kanye can't be like, listen, I know you think that you want to go with 110, but if you go with one of five beats per minute, it's going to give you a little extra

idiosyncrasy that's going to bring out some special juice, you know, that's not going to happen. Yeah. And Nick could talk about Chicago. Oh, that's fair. So there's that. I don't know. So whoever it was at info wars, they saw the tweet where Ye said that he was going to go death con three on the Jews and they knew that this was exactly what they had been waiting for a huge celebrity ruining their public image in a way that it would be, you know, they'd be relegated to hanging out with dipshits like Milo and Nick. This is the like all signs go. No, this is the dream scenario. They made their move and Milo got connected to Ye by one of Alex's producers. Wild. This reveals another interesting thing. And that is that Alex's

producer has been in touch with Ye and Ye hasn't come on the show yet. That has to be a choice. This tends to point towards my theory that Alex actually doesn't want to have Ye on because of the possibility of exactly how this Tim Poole interview went. Say what you like about this interview. No one comes out looking good. Milo, Nick and Ye already look like shit, so it's a push for them. But Tim really looks like a complete craven dick for engaging in this interview for attention and being so ineffectual. I got to say, though, he's not so ineffectual once they storm out because at that point he's trying to self soothe and yeah, of course. Now he's pretty. I'm a big boy now. He makes some pretty strong stances once they're gone. What a

fucking coward. Yeah. So we got an info wars connection like immediately. That's bananas. The info wars is central to this team coming together. I I'm really, really annoyed. You know, like it hits me in waves every couple of months or so. It's like, man, we started a show about some asshole who wasn't that important. Yeah. And now debatable. Now here we are like this is stupid. Now here we are all this weird bullshit. We're recording this just hours after Stewart Rhodes got found guilty of suspicious conspiracy. Joe Biggs is also on trial for that. Why not have all of our opening season characters go to jail in season five? Well, we need to, you know, I think it's yeah. I mean, it's not lost on me. Yeah, it's fucked up. It's

hard not to be. Yeah. So anyway, that's how Milo and yay came together. Right. And then so that's how you guys got in contact. Yeah, originally and and then I've suggested that we bring in Nicholas as an enormous extra brain firepower that he is most extraordinary, brilliant political commentator of his generation. And he's just about as badly as anybody. So I thought he deserved to be in the room too. And yeah, that's pretty much how we got together. Yeah, one of the greatest political commentators of his generation. Sure. Yeah, I think this I just I think he doesn't know what he's doing. I think Nick is really wrong on this one. I think he's lept in too fast. He is going to become one of Kanye's losers. You know, like he's just another one of Kanye's losers. I think

that there is a possibility for that. But I also think that there's I think that there's a possibility that Nick can engage in this kind of stuff and engage fairly unscathed because I think that he is smart enough to let Milo get embarrassed. That could be that could be that could be the wise move and he may have it. I'm just saying that the more likely scenario is the young kid gets in over his head and gets eaten alive by the by the game. That's the story we've heard. Sure. But I mean, look at look at Nick's career. I mean, he went up against Turning Point USA and only grew through it. And they're certainly diminished in their he thinks he's invincible. Well, I mean, you could say there's some hubris, but I also think that, you know,

times when you would have thought like, oh, this isn't going to go well. No, I don't predict any. Yeah, it's it's there's there's a possibility for coming out the other end better for it. Possibly. Even if everything is a disaster. Yeah. So Tim really wants to talk about the going to dinner thing. That's really what he's interested in. Yay is not. So this is how you get in contact the three of you. How is it that's Nick ends up invited to this dinner? And what happened? Well, he he was rolling with me. I was impressed with Nick and I was like, just come to the dinner. And we had an interesting story or no pick us up from the airport. And there was a lot of back and forth. There's another gentleman named Jamar Montgomery

that was with us. It's a he's an engineer Boeing and his I'm telling him just that we should raise everyone's volume. Okay, cool. And we sat there and it was like when Trump came in, we were, I said, do you want to sit alone? He's like, no, bring your friends in. So a big thing is like Trump had no idea who Nick Fuentes was. And but this whole I just I just got to go right to the heart of this anti-Semite claim that's happening. This is something if you read the definition, it it says you can't claim that there's multiple people inside of banks or in media. Oh, boy, that are all Jewish or you're anti-Semitic start there. And that's the truth. Like, it's the truth. What are we talking about? And what library? What do you mean? You mean

I'm saying like, I've been labeled anti-Semite. Okay. So you might notice that yeah, he isn't a big fan of finishing thoughts. Yeah, it's cute that he's trying to play a game where he has some definition he's decided to use for anti Semitism so he can pretend it's absurd for him to be labeled as such a thing. That's dumb. And I don't really want to take the time to humor that shit. But this clip is important because I think you can see Tim's uselessness here. He's trying to ask a question about the dinner and very much doesn't want the anti Semitism talk to come this early. It's too volatile a topic and that's gonna if that's gonna come at all, it needs to be eased into a little bit. Yay, on the other hand, is all too eager to talk about his feelings about Jewish people

at any time when someone puts a mic in front of him and because Tim can't control the conversation at all, this is where we are. In fairness to Tim, there's no way to control this conversation. Yay isn't interested in playing Tim Poole's games because he's super famous and he doesn't give a shit about Tim's crypto extremist audience. Yay is already past that. He's already extreme. He's hanging out with Nick and Milo. And if anything, they were doing Tim a favor by showing up. I know that Poole shows big and all, but it's not yay level. There's no way to control this conversation because yay doesn't give a shit. And even if he kind of gave a shit, he has two bigot friends there to embolden him and egg him on. So honestly, if I were Tim, I never would have done a show like

this. It's great for getting attention, but the consequences are really bad. Even leaving aside how bad it is for the public discourse to have this guest lineup on the show, it's really bad for Tim. He comes off looking like a really limp noodle and because they left with yay, Nick and Milo kind of have achieved something of an elevated status over Tim. Because get this, without Milo, there's no way yay was showing up on Poole's show. From the perspective of Milo and presumably Nick and yay too, Tim fucked this up. He fucked up an opportunity for himself. And when yay gets into this anti-Semitism defense of himself, all Tim can really muster is what library as if his goal was to challenge the source of yay's definition. It's ridiculous. And it's a rebuttal that isn't

designed to go anywhere. It's designed to just like it's performative pushback more than it is actual engagement with anything that's being said. And that's kind of the game. Yeah, I haven't seen an entourage this toxic since Elvis. So we all know that means yay is going to die on the toilet of an impacted battle. I thought you were going to say Britney Spears with her group of stewardesses They were taking advantage of Britney. I'm talking about her song. Oh, her song music video. I don't know if I've ever seen the music video, Dan. I believe she's on a plane at some point. What? Is that Air Force One? I think they were trying to trap people for an improv show. Oh, that's terrible. Call back. So I gotta be honest with y'all. There's a boop sound in this next

clip. And that's because I thought that this video would be taken down. Like I thought Tim would take it down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I was recording it live. And I was also downloading some files, I believe like some Alex Jones episodes. And so my computer made a beep noise. Eventually you got a boot when it's like a, you know, file, right? So you'll hear that as a warning, there's a boop. What you're going to do? Anyway, yeah, he's going on his thing. And in general, America has been left ignorant and history has been changed. So when we start questioning things, that question, the indoctrination, then you immediately get, you know, you said debanked or what did you say happened to you or demonetized, deplatformed. Yeah, demonized,

demonetized. And what's so beautiful about this time is everyone got to see what's really been happening. And now we can really understand, we can see that Ronnie Manuel was right next to Obama and then Jared Kushner was right next to Trump. We're getting right into it, I guess, right? I was hoping to go for the news first before we got into all of this stuff. I think the issue is, one way to put it, is you're expounding upon a localization issue that you've witnessed, right? Let me clarify. There are a handful of people that you see are Jewish in a certain place, and then you associate Judaism with the power, whereas I view that as not relevant to it. Like, yeah, you're substantially more powerful than I am, but I don't view what you're doing as an issue

of black people. Yeah, but have you ever heard the term the black vote? So it's okay to put us in one net, but it's not okay for me to put them in one net. Yeah, but I mean, that's the basis of the hypocrisy that people have been thinking about and knowing about and realizing for decades we were all wondering how this damn worm to break. Everybody in the country was wondering what is the root of this hypocrisy? Why can people talk about white people a certain way? Why can't they talk about back group a certain way? And the most the wretched and wicked and oppressive prevailing orthodoxy of cancel culture, well, it turned out that the one thing that was going to break the dam was the biggest star in the world, and it took the biggest star in the world

to do it. Shut up. And now the dam is broken. So we see here that Tim does not have the tools that are needed to make any argument in this arena. In many ways, he is the Tim the tool less man. This pool is empty. Yes. So Tim really wants to call Yeh's anti-Semitic ideas anything but anti-Semitic. So he's trying to go with quote localization issue. Rahm Emanuel is Jewish and worked for Obama and Jared Kushner is Jewish and he worked for Trump. That isn't a localization issue. That's grasping at anti-Semitic straws. That's what you're doing. Yeah. How does this theory even work if you're going to take it seriously? No one wanted Jared to have any official role and he wouldn't have if he wasn't Trump's son-in-law. That wasn't a Jewish issue.

It was a nepotism hire. And what about the fact that Rahm was Obama's chief of staff from the time of his election until October 2010 when he ran for Chicago mayor? He was only in that position for like a year and a half and then was replaced by Bill Daly relative of former Chicago mayor Richard Daly who isn't Jewish. But then oh no, Daly was replaced by Jack Lew who is Jewish and was the chief of staff for about a year and then he was replaced by Dennis Montague who is a Irish Catholic. This isn't a localization issue. That's a euphemism that Poole is using so he doesn't have to call this what it is. This is a person who has an anti-Semitic conclusion that he's justifying by pointing at various Jewish people and then pretending a point is being made. This shit is

paper thin and Poole can't even handle that. And because he's tried to frame this as a localization issue he's walked into a trap that he can't get out of. Yay is able to respond back to him that people talk about the black vote which actually doesn't even relate to what Tim was saying but Tim's point is so weak that I don't think he even has the energy to think it's worth standing on it. Now if Tim had pushed back on the right thing and called this shit what it was then this Judo move that Yay and Milo are pulling wouldn't work. It would be transparent how much of an evasion it is but Tim can't do that because that would place him in a really hostile situation. First thing he would land in a super confrontational argument against Yay, Milo and Nick Fuentes which

is a bad match up for Tim. I know he has Luke Radowski there but that's not really gonna help. It's still three on two. Nope. And Milo and Nick are great talkers. Secondly and even more difficultly Tim needs to win that argument or else he would be airing a live stream where he gets out argued by anti-Semites. Yeah. He would lose that battle of ideas and that is a real risk so the reality is that Tim wants nothing more than to not really push back on this issue and definitely not call it what it is because I don't think he wants the consequences that come along with that. I mean it's hard press to say ladies and gentlemen after talking with Kanye, Milo, Yiannopoulos and Nick Fuentes I have to agree all Jews are bad. Well that's not gonna go good.

Well that's not gonna go good. You may not have to admit that but if you get if you get your ass kicked in an argument on your own show where the stakes are all Jews are bad then yes you are saying that. I mean but I think I think that Tim is aware that that is a conversation that these three may want to have and I think that's why he's dancing around calling something anti-Semitic instead of being a localization issue or whatever. It's somebody who doesn't want to have the conversation while pretending he does. Yeah it's funny in some ways just because so many of these people are from a distance like watching yay pull his bullshit going like pumping their fists but when you're in a situation where you have to have a professional conversation with yay

he doesn't give a shit. You're the loser here. Yeah I mean it's a question of you can watch him say anti-Semitic things on other shows and be like that's what I want on my show right but but I want him to say it and then walk away from it back away like so many other people do. You know you're we're so used to seeing people step over the line and then go on to show the next day and be like well I didn't mean to step over the line you know like well fuck off you did you know. Tim wants there to be some sense of like on my show we'll get the like what I was actually trying to say is blank. Exactly. Yeah but he did mean what he said. Exactly he's not going to and he has two worse people with him. Yeah it is it is like

so transparent how much these people want to exploit the the anti-Semitism but don't want to engage with it you know they want it to be there they want the fans of anti-Semitism to be their fans but they don't ever want to actually deal with the anti-Semitism one way or the other and so when you have Kanye on you're thinking okay here's what I get I get all of his power and I get him doing the thing that we all know he's going to do where he says listen people misunderstood people didn't you know that whole thing and it's not going to happen he's going to come out and say I hate the Jews well you're not going to not get that. Maybe not in as many words but I think I think that what Tim would have liked is the attention and gigantic amount of people

putting their eyes on him because of the getting this interview and the controversialness of it. You want him to say tiger blood and all that shit. You have like your show and the show is talking about the dinner and talking about some news items and then you have the the Jewish conversation that they have about Kanye's anti-Semitic comments and you do this localization issue stuff and that's how you try to push back against it you don't agree with him right but you don't get too into the weeds right you don't make kind of like condemning statements about it so you can be like I push back on this right it's not my job to condemn everybody right you know like you want to do that you want it's basically having your cake and eating it too and it's just

I don't know it why would you think that's gonna work I mean because by putting the localization thing in there he's trying to create boundaries for the conversation you know like okay yeah he doesn't give a shit of course not what part of yay's life do you think cares about your boundaries right Nick was at the United Right rally when he was 18 you think he gives a shit about you he's a 12 year old Nazi what do you want yeah he started his own like streaming thing he's he doesn't give a shit about you none of them care and as long as they're associated with yay they don't have to care they just don't if if Nick Fuentes or Milo were on pool show by themselves they would suck up to pool so much not not really actually Milo was recently on by himself oh yeah

and he he was a little bit he gave some pushback to Milo or to Nick or back to Tim pool on some stuff they're all the same white guy yeah he was not as obsequious as you might imagine interesting but my perceptions are wrong what's more but Milo's a guy who's you know got a pretty high sense of himself that's you know that's that's not nobody would ever accuse him of humility yeah no matter what period of his career but look what Milo was saying there that's all meaningless stuff but it puts Tim in a really bad box it's one that Tim does not want to be in and the reason that it's really bad for him is that he thinks it's a great box for him when you're talking about identity stuff identity politics yeah yeah this is where i live this is my bread and butter i push

back on this all the time yeah and and and now the dam is broken so let me let me tell you my issue i i don't like identitarianism you guys are familiar with what that is well they started it and they've been busy on us when i would break it when i was asking you about running for a president you you admitted me they said well you know you'll be good for the black vote and i said is that because i'm black no not just because of that so is that are you doing the same thing i didn't say that was the only reason i said it was because you're personable to the common person and you probably would do well with the black vote absolutely just because i'm black is a lot of black people don't like me of course i think i think race plays a role in a lot of things

absolutely what what are we doing here this is just one of tim's big buzzwords he hates identitarianism which i as far as i can tell from listening to him is just a smarter sounding word than if you were to complain about identity politics that would make you sound like a reddit user from 2016 and that is not what tim is the problem is that tim isn't consistent about this thinking about things in terms of identity and yay essentially destroys that whole attempt at an argument tim is trying to reframe yay's anti-semitism as an instance of identitarianism and then runs right into a brick wall of yay bringing up that he'd said that yay would do well with the black vote yeah yeah yeah you i mean that it's hard not to say uh that what just happened was

his kanya was like uh or he was like i hate identitarianism and then kanya was like yeah you did the thing and he was like no i didn't the race plays an issue yeah yeah yeah no you did the thing just say it it's important to also understand that when tim says identitarian he's not talking about the actual thing identitarianism because that is a thing tim and most of his friends actually are pretty solidly identitarian in terms of the actual political philosophy that word describes their nationalists they're highly concerned about ideas like the great replacement they hate globalism and they're into traditionalism it's pretty clear that this is right in line with the show based on all their video titles and guests by the way i clearly don't know enough about tim

pool's crew at his show but looking through their guest list i found that one of his producers guested on an episode producers slash co-hosts quite frankly uh and uh do like she's one of the people who steps in when yay leaves to fill in one of the chairs sure one of the people who takes over in his clearly part of the show is a woman named hannah claire brimlow who is the daughter of peter brimlow the founder of v dare the outlet that's known for uh promoting white nationalists and anti-semitic writers it's so weird she's one of his co-hosts i mean it's what a team it's just it's like not identitarian at all man it's it's like i i just wish it wasn't so easy to see through them because when it it's so easy and it makes you feel bad about the rest of the

people who don't see through it you know because it's it's like when you if you're doing the like uh fucking simple addition worksheet you know where you're like nine plus three and you see somebody struggling with you know like five plus seven because i get it you know you think it's going to be 14 i do all the time and you're like oh you're so close man and it makes you feel bad and this makes me feel bad it makes me feel bad to know that these people are are allowed that's the next clip's gonna make you feel bad too great um so this is a bit like a you know a little bit longer clip about three minutes because i wanted to retain it in its context um this is just talking just talking just talking just smart people talking all over the place no it's

mostly one person oh it's mostly just yeah yeah i think i think that i did a construct of race has really been forced upon us as just something for us to be woke about and just constantly talk about and use it as these like walls couldn't you say the same thing about Judaism well let's look at the facts of what i'm saying though if you say in this neighborhood where they gerrymandered there's this amount of time so hey i wasn't doing that i was just gerrymandering the lawyers and the hollywood executives and the people at the bank that debanked me and then froze my accounts you know it's like we want to jump into protecting the idea that we can't put a net around something right but that's been my job as a producer to take uh you know a roy air sample

and put a jane's round drum and put it within a two two minute three minute song that's the way i actually think and that's the way i talk and now this morning i found out that they were trying to put me in prison because what they did was uh i moved 140 million dollars into uh jp morgan and i said i want to talk to jamie diamond like look at me i'm just going a naive you know multi billionaire like man maybe jamie diamond will let me in on some deal flow wrong and i'm just like banging why are you laughing he just i want to reference jamie and i start complaining online and then they debank me for complaining and so i'm i'm about to get debanked they're like you need to go to trumps the bank a xo whatever you got to go and i'm like i've been trying to buy

my own bank for the longest and then we figured out how to get my own bank it's like 50 million 75 million so i'm about to buy my own bank but then as they're about to take the money out here comes adidas with a 270 75 million dollar bill for marketing funds that they agreed upon because i said to them hey i'm the marketing give me the marketing fund which proves by the response they got when they you know stole the designs and said we're gonna not call them yeezies anymore so this is what i was already fighting adidas for so i'm fighting gap get out of gap fighting adidas and then i deal with this little bit of noise from you know zionism from the fashion world where they use this plant named gabby who's obviously like some kind of cia agent knows nothing

about fashion this is a certain thing when someone can't dress you know that they're not like a fashion person they're just there as like the society like the control that they try to use with celebrities which has now been broken right because you know where it broke and not i'm okay i want to get on like lebron in a second but i'm going to come back to this and just talk about this morning where uh you know i'm not going to mention her name because she's a nice lady but someone at coan rex resnick tells me and i've tell my all of my finance people never use the term a lot but they said okay you're gonna have to pay a lot of taxes and that made me feel like they're just like waiting like we finally got them we finally can put them in jail and i was like

can i still run for president in jail i found i could so i was like okay that's that's fine then but if you were if you were jen free epstein they wouldn't touch your bank account they would allow you to break the rules regulations just like jp morgan and chasted just like dutch bank did so there is an issue to bring up with that but when it comes to the race i think this is an important discussion to have because i think i have to i have to complete this thought you guys got okay go ahead oh yeah well played lucrodowski the great great interjection i don't know what was the completion of that thought i don't know yeah so look that was tangential as hell and it only really makes sense if you squint and even then the conclusion i come to is that yeah is kind of a

bigot and he's confused i want to like at the beginning of the thing i don't think he understands what gerrymandering is no no i know that was minutes ago but uh yeah yeah no i wrote i wrote that down he doesn't quite get that one no no um the the other thing too is that he's saying that they're trying to put him in jail yeah and apparently the rationale for that is he found out he owes a lot of taxes yeah and that's they're trying to put him in jail is it just you owe a lot of taxes yeah yeah i don't know look this is all over the place and like this kind of a rambling thing going on this long tells you that tim has lost control he is not in control of this he is given up essentially on in any way trying to be a host on this show yeah lucradowski is the

one who has to try and jump in and he brings up fucking epstein for some reason i mean and then gets shut down by yay saying i need to finish my thought and then he's like oh i'm sorry yeah so yeah so great yeah man this is this is tough this is tough to listen to because it does feel like what needs to happen is the sole querians need to kidnap kanye and take him to a fucking ayahuasca retreat together and then they'll be fine like it it feels fucking insane i understand that like he's surrounded by the worst people in the middle of i mean clearly an inability to think just i mean just that's that's not a question i'm not saying that it makes him anti-semitic by any stretch but there is a clear inability to think there's a there's a there's clear processing

tangential thought yeah organizational stuff that's being expressed it's it's it's pretty clear the way that a jumps to c to l to right back to b you know it's a no and there's been tons of talk about you know the the mental illness and how people are trying to to handle oh it seems like he's having a manic episode obviously we don't know for sure we don't know his doctor or whatever right and then at the same time you know obviously i'm bipolar i've had plenty of manic episodes where i've never claimed that lawyers were at fault for me going to jail because they were jewish right like that's never happened i understand that those two things are not connected to each other they they can happen at the same time and not like one be the cause of the other

right but at the same time in this regard this is somebody who is if you're tim like listening to this you should not be like oh this is a this is an interview i should be engaging no i'd be like we need to stop this yes we need to stop this or this is not acceptable at very least you'd have well i mean you'd have a responsibility to try and end the interview i think quite frankly um but if not at least try to bring some structure to like what's going on because this is just rambling i mean yeah here's here's what i'll say here's what i will say about this um as a bipolar person if this is me in tim pool's place we're done with the interview i'm taking kanya and we're just gonna go we're just gonna go sit

and i know it feels like that's a problem the problem is that it's live no i understand that but it's like it's gotta stop it's gotta stop he's gotta go it's and i understand it feels trite to be like oh we need to go sit i mean literally i need to go be in a room with him where there's no interruptions or impulses or any control fight off nick with a broom like it does need to be that situation because this is unacceptable the way that people are using him is fucked yeah um but the rambling does go on of course next year i was supposed to make 500 million dollars in royalties and like no one needs this amount of money but when i would work on homeless shelters and ideas i'd have a contractor we won't say what race um and

but you know they'd be tearing down the contracts it's all about you know position it's not about the amount of money that you have and you know to come in here i feel like it's a setup to be like defending i'm not gonna go through another like i'm literally gonna walk the f off the show if i'm sitting up here having a you know talk about you can't say that it was jewish people that did it when every sensible person knows that i mean john steward knows what happened to me and they took it too far it was like american history x like my head was on the side of the curve and the exact people that i called out kicked my head we found out that my trainer was a mk ultra uh canadian uh intelligence he worked in the defense research and uh development uh in the canadian military

essentially working on psyopsis the canadian military this is harley pastor neck oh good thanks lucredowski throwing in uh support not only here's where i'm gonna jump in to double down that your trainer is an mk ultra guy right was that was that what he needed to intervene here for apparently so yeah okay so this has been legitimately like five minutes straight of yay rambling about entirely like almost entirely uninterrupted about a wide selection of topics with only the thinnest connective tissue existing between them and now he's getting defensive about the whole thing about how he's anti-semitic when he was the one who brought it up to begin with tim would have loved to save that for the part of the show that's behind a paywall or at very

least the end of the show but uh yay did not let that happen harley pastor neck is a personal trainer for celebrities but one of his previous gigs was working with the canadian department of national defense one of the things uh there that he did was running studies on drugs and how they affected various aspects of soldiers performance like things that could keep people up for a long period of time that weren't stimulants etc there's no indication that he's mk ultra but he's jewish so that explains yay's preoccupation with him yay posted a couple of alleged screenshots of messages pastor neck sent him where pastor neck was threatening to quote have you institutionalized again where they medicate the crap out of you and you go back to zombie land forever i have no idea

if these are real texts and honestly if this guy's some big time hollywood celebrity handler there's no way he would make a threat like that in texts if the evil cabal was that sloppy they'd be getting busted all over the place it would fall apart so fast anyway larger point tim is doing nothing here he has not been able to come up with any decent rebuttals to this shit and the things that he does say end up getting him in traps and now he's just let yay monologue for what feels like a lifetime and that's not even good enough yay still managed to somehow feel like he's being put on trial for rambling about a topic that he brought up himself if i were pool i just wouldn't have done this interview listen listen all i'm gonna say is i don't want to get caught up in one of

these things where we talk about how i'm an anti-semitre you brought it up i want to constantly make jokes and implications that all jews are bad well and i don't want you to push back i want you to laugh at my funny i hate jew jokes like these two white nationalists do right over here look at him he's got a dumb face he's laughing right fucking now but they aren't really jokes they're accusations and lucredosky was uh doubling down on one of them yeah i know i know it's fucking crazy i i feel like it's generous to say that these are implications and right right all right that's uh that's a little bit no it's supposed to be it's it is one of those far right things where everybody laughs when you say the thing that you mean you know like you say like oh and i hate jews

and everybody laughs but they all know that you do you mean it you do mean that nick is a little bit better about this right whenever he's on his own right but making things uh oh i'm joking i'm joking but you mean it that's why you that's why you're laughing speaking of nick you know he doesn't come up all that much smart uh but here's here's where tim pool decides to bring him into it right before the show obviously i'm getting a bunch of messages from people people are hitting me up and they're like you shouldn't host them they're anti-semitic they're right supremacists they're racist i do find the idea i do find it funny or weird whatever that you know nick they call you a white supremacist you're here working with or for you know one of the most powerful black men one of the wealthiest

and most famous but uh a lot of people were saying on the right specifically don't platform them i that's how you're gonna bring up nick people say that you're a white nationalist but you're a white nationalist but uh kanya is here how do you feel about that you're this is this is ridiculous that's that's your that's your response to like oh people make these accusations about you nick but you couldn't possibly be because you hang out with this yeah this is a black guy that's an observation that's like hey nick right you're a white nationalist there's a black man next to you see and then you move on it's not even like a statement it's a defense and a deflection of totally 100 percent 100 percent this is sanitizing and making nick palatable yep by pretending to

rebut the arguments that people make against everybody everybody speaks ill of white nationalists you know but here we have one sitting next to a black man no one's dead see see white nationalists people do so uh yay gets back to the things he really wants to talk about of course and i said well i want to i want to understand what they're thinking and why they're thinking it they're part of they're involved in what may be the biggest news story of the past week and we have an opportunity to sit down and talk because the red media controls both sides it just said it as simple as possible jerry kushner was next to try ron emmanuel was next to obama but since 1940 go ahead i was gonna say isn't that an issue of these individuals really wonder what yay was about to say things have been

happening since the 40s since 1940 i'm sorry what excuse me excuse me we're talking about the we're talking about the jews and they were you were about to say 1944 i'd need to finish that thought i really got to imagine that tim is glad that he didn't finish that yeah man tim whatever that was probably wasn't good that should have there should have been a fucking tackler on the edge just being like hey listen eventually you're gonna be needed mm-hmm so uh yay threatens to leave again uh whenever he did storm out i really don't think anyone should have been surprised even in the room like he's brought it up twice that he's brought it up twice right because of things that the topics that he himself has decided to complain about right and the non-existent push

back and reframing actually that tim is trying to do to make his beliefs uh acceptable and palatable to the audience oh okay so but yeah he's gonna leave and because the red media controls both sides it just said it as simple as possible jerry kushner was next to trial ron immanuel was next to obama but since 1940 go ahead i was gonna say isn't that an issue of these individuals like you're you're extra i'm not having i'm going to get i'm going to order with the last of my money that's available in a different account i'm gonna order a pj before i sit and have thanks for telling us another lex freeman set up conversation when when i'm literally trying they're trying to put me in jail for my opinion but i'm not i'm not going to have that opinion i don't care about people the

people those are bots that are trying to tell you we realize look at pence he's so trump out you know i'm saying it's like i would have never uh wanted to do anything that hurt trump i'm on i'm on trump side trump said things that hurt me he lied about me but i mean he's known for lying and when people used to tell me that you know he's a liar it's like you know i went into the trenches for trump that's another conversation there was no one in my position that wore that hat and all of my surroundings the trenches lost to me it was like def by a thousand questions i know i'm jumping to another thing but what i'm saying is i know you got a rep for your your your people online but it's like you got a person in real life that i i'm not with

it bro i lost the i i lost the money for the freedom of speech and that's what makes me the only american that we know that really deserves to run the country because everyone else your boy disantis trump whoever they they they raise an apetite dish over on the democrat side is is going to play the game look here's what i was trying to get to i i you went right into the anti-semite thing i think it's something that should be talked about but if you if you start bringing this up you're gonna ask my opinion on it i'm gonna disagree with you i didn't ask your opinion on it you jumped into it but i but i don't care about your opinion i like your opinion on how we win an election but i don't care about anybody's opinion bro i lost they tried to put me in jail

they blocked two two billion dollars i had like but i told ferrican i said look oh is it anti-semite sematic for me say his name out like i i told the minister yeah the minister like i told obama met with him too all he was yeah i mean the jewish people allowed uh obama to meet with the minister you know so yikes that's uh yeah i don't know i i i can't imagine tim is sitting here thinking like that there's a productive way that this is going to make it to minute 30 yeah you know i hear when ye is already saying i don't care about your opinion right i'm gonna say my anti-jew stuff right i don't give a shit um you kind of get just got to be like wow this is yeah it is almost like storming out's an ideal uh oh totally turn of events yeah yeah yeah

no i mean i frankly we're we're an azimov storm out at this point i i feel like if you bring it up twice you've got to right you know and khanyei's still a showman you know so he's not going to not storm out it's not as uh flamboyant a storm out as you might hope sure but uh it is a leaving nonetheless fairly abruptly um man i think if i'm tim pool all that's going on in my head right now is great job tim pool you're so good at this people are gonna pay so much attention to me i'm a big boy um i i do think that there is an interesting dynamic where tim feels like he's disagreeing with ye in a meaningful way and that is not happening no um i understand that he's thinks that he's disagreeing with ye by saying this is a localization issue sure or something like that

but in reality that's not challenging the point of what khanyei believes right it's just putting another hat on it that maybe looks better to tim pool's audience right so they can accept the content of what ye is saying just in a different way right look at it a little bit differently well i mean these are all far right people who live under this guise of i say whatever i want because the censors have you know like i i will be uncensored and so if you if you turn me off or whatever i'll keep saying whatever i want but they don't understand what it actually means to not give a fuck about what anybody says like they all live on this pretend we put on this cape of like oh the mainstream media hates us and they still pretend that they don't have a complete

and utter obligation to say whatever it is that their audience wants you know like you guys just say whatever your audience wants the same way that you think other people are containing your speech or whatever khanyei really does not give a fuck he is going to say whatever the fuck he wants and it really doesn't matter to him that's that's what they don't understand they don't understand a person who truly does not care and somebody who truly doesn't care and is enabled by at least two people in the room right who have a very strong interest in right not giving a fuck right right yeah because the things he's saying because he doesn't give a fuck really advance their world yeah yeah yeah it's like if the king of rohan we're hanging out with saruman

and worm tongue that's just how it goes man that's how it is so here is where it all falls apart there's a bit of a ramble of course that leads into it and then i guess yay just decides i've had enough the contract for the next four years if i hadn't done anything would have been five hundred million dollars a year for four years what i was fighting for was the ip so my children could uh you know uh i'm sorry just sometimes i think about seven thoughts at one time because anything i see i come up with like seven answers to it and just choose what it is but but the thing is when i said my children the reason why my my brain kind of blocked because it's like god is saying you know your children are going to be okay the you know baby mama's got money right god is using me he's

breaking me down removing all of the you know richest person all of this so i can serve him and the more and more those things are taken away from me the more i can be empty and be a vessel and be able to be used and right now it's like you're not going to take if we can't you're not going to take my pain away right the jewish people say it's the holocaust this happened and you can't say anything about it we can't take their pain away no one's going to denounce the fact that they tried to lock me up that's what it because every time i'm just holding stride and it's like i didn't i thought i was more malcom x but i find out i'm more mlk because as i'm getting hosed down every day by the press and financially i'm just standing there and when when i found out

that they tried to put me in jail it was like a dog was biting my arm and i almost shed a tear almost but i still walked in stride through it yeah i think i think they've been extremely unfair to you i think it was they though we can't tell you they is can't press i'm not using the i don't use the word as the as the way i see you guys use i'm talking about it is them though isn't it i mean consider it in 2018 what do you mean it's not it what do i mean like uh uh okay so how about you leaving are you afraid of the press he's on i'll say it right now um you got i i you guys want to bring that stuff up and i think we're not gonna have a conversation like i have to discuss you think ye's gonna come in here and say here's my pain here's my suffering i'm gonna say

i hear you and then he's gonna say and it was jewish people and i'm gonna be like okay but don't you consider it's like i'm not gonna do this i refuse make sure he's cool all right go for it luke and i love a conversation so uh i can't say i'm surprised what what what what what what do i even do rather than ask him please elaborate on this are you referring to individuals are you quite literally blaming an entire group of people for the fact that powerful individuals are causing you harm i i don't think that he did do that i don't think the typical even did he's giving himself the credit for having like provided a little bit of pushback in the con yet can't handle this yeah or whatever but that's not the case at all yeah he made himself mad and then left because

tim just didn't play along basically i mean he didn't even push back really i would say that if you put the camera on him and didn't have tim or anyone else there then eventually if he were talking for 20 minutes he would have stood up and left anyways right regardless of what anyone was talking about he would start talking and get to a hundred different topics eventually complain about some jewish people and then be like i'm not in a position where i need to defend myself to myself and i'm out of here yeah i mean honestly what is i mean i mean what's fun about it is that they clearly are not recognizing that they are so meaningless and empty compared to like they just i mean i think that if tim wants the credit for what he's giving himself credit for he should

have given far more concrete pushback to the very ridiculous things that were being said he would have maybe tried to get some clarity on some of the rambling points that went nowhere and didn't get finished like there there's a completely different set of behaviors that you would have expected if he was going to be like i can't be expected to just let yay show up and say these things and expect that i'm not going to you know like no you didn't do that right that's uh that's fiction uh that you're painting now that he has left the room right and great congratulations for that but you didn't right this is not a frost nixon type uh moment i mean no matter what he did though what's unacceptable is that kanye was on period well i mean we can talk about that but i

where i'll meet you for sure is that it's unacceptable that kanye mylo and sure nick who were there together sure i'm just i just i think i think that there's a certain world where if it's just yay you could potentially provide pushback um you know you'd probably end up leaving anyway just like this um but when you have the three of them there there's no win like you're either going to end up in this situation or worst case scenario they respond and you can't handle the three on one that's going on right of the mylo nick and yay and you just end up looking like an idiot uh getting uh dunked on by anti-subbites yeah yeah because you're one of them and you're the you're the one with your hands tied behind your back you're the one who can't say i know i agree

with you you know whether or not that's the case i'm not entirely sure sure but like you are definitely in a position that they are not in i i would say the problem i have is i don't one there's no reason to have yay on even by himself because what are you going to if what are you going to push back on if the thought is going to be completely different two seconds later what are you going to convince him of that won't then be different two seconds later right what thought is he going to follow you all the way through to the conclusion with it's just identity politics you're no it's not even that you're just having them on there as a freaking freak it's a freak show you're pretending that it's not it's uh in a i mean it's the same thing that uh you can expect

a lot of these folks on the right to be doing which is trying to uh chase whatever attention they can get by proximity to 100 a giant celebrity put kanye on a dunk tank it would have been a better show because what this is is unlistenable garbage it's pretty bad and it's a freaking freak show so you might as well embrace it well because that's what you're doing if i may be so uh bold yeah i did listen to after he left oh and the show is better when he was because at least there's stakes and there's something that's there's a tension to right right at least it's like is something gonna break what's gonna happen here whereas afterwards it's just him sitting there with uh the daughter of the guy who made uh v dare luke radowski and some other lady talking

about how great a job tim did and how he's a big boy yeah yeah yeah it's nice it's him sitting going from sitting with five anti semites to just two and that's really nice well to be fit yeah i mean i don't others i don't know who the third uh or the other lady is yeah who is in there i know there's a v dare daughter sure luke radowski and then there's another woman but i don't know who she is luke radowski earlier saying it is them though isn't it as if he didn't understand exactly who the them that was nick oh that was nick oh okay yeah all right um so i thought that was his voice no no sorry uh i've seen a lot of response to uh this be things like how does yay think he can run for president if he can't stand a little pushback in the interview and i

think that that misses some important points the first is that to people inclined to like yay and respond to the message that he's putting out leaving this interview doesn't actually signal weakness it comes off as kind of strong honestly he doesn't need to be there no he's the only person who doesn't need to be there the second thing is that if you just watch the minute prior to the storming out it kind of does appear like tim is giving some pushback to yay but i don't think that's necessarily a fair way to characterize the rest of the interview if anything yay on entered this interview having just said a bunch of comically anti-semitic stuff proceeded to say anti-semitic nonsense and tim did his best to sanitize it so the audience could see it as something

other than anti-semitism it was a localization issue or an instance of identitarianism but it wasn't the thing that it obviously was this wasn't an episode of tim giving pushback to yay's ideas and yay not being able to handle it it was a case of tim failing in an effort to whitewash the things yay was saying whether or not that was his conscious intent that's exactly what tim achieved or failed to achieve and no shade on tim for failing on that effort yay clearly had no interest in participating in a sanitization of his shit yeah that's like tim wasn't going to be able to pull that off the problem as i see it is that this happened in the first place as you said basically the way it went down and all that is pretty much what you'd expect considering the

players involved it's flashy and kind of funny to see a show go off the rails but it wasn't even good uh like in that world like people like storming off shows yeah way better uh instances of that have happened i mean but fucking somehow somehow for the first time in history galagher has outshone condo come on galagher our ip unfortunately there are some things here that can't be ignored the fact is that trump has announced that he's running in 2024 the fact is that yay has claimed that he's running in 2024 in the middle of a series of public appearances where he seems to be becoming increasingly comfortable uh in his place as a public anti-semite amidst that he's attached himself to nick fuentes and milo yinopoulos who are only going to push

him further down that road to serve their own purposes and trump had dinner with yay who brought his crew along i don't think that dinner is something that should be ignored but i think that the least meaningful way to cover it is to have a freewheeling interview with yay milo and nick like tim pool decided he was gonna do if you're trying to get to the bottom of what happened do some reporting on it maybe try to find a source in the staff at marilago who was there and maybe could tell you an unbiased outsider opinion nick and milo are not reliable sources particularly about things that have to do with themselves and i think tim knew full well what he was getting with yay as we've said a number of times about people like rogan booking guests

is an editorial decision in and of itself when you're inviting on people like this and you're not fully prepared to have a very confrontational interview you're having them on to promote them think about this one of the only things that tim even said about fuentes was defending him from accusations of being a white supremacist because he's working with yay there was no acknowledgement that within the like the last month nick is called for the expulsion of jews from the country and that wasn't a like what he was doing was like a how could you be racist if you have a black friend level defensive nick like it's ridiculous yeah that is a choice and it's tim showing deference to these creeps because his goal never was to provide meaningful pushback

to the toxic ideas that they're responsible for for spreading we do have to acknowledge that that this is happening whether we like it or not it very well may end up being the case that yay doesn't actually make it to running for president and even if he does it seems like you'd have to run as a third party candidate so he may not even have to appear in debates so the idea of him not being able to stand up to a debate might even be fucking irrelevant but even if he doesn't make it to primary season there is a reason to take this seriously many of them are matters for experts in other fields to discuss but from my standpoint many of these roads lead back to nick fuentes being involved in this will give him a higher profile campaign experience and bring

him into even closer contact with whatever political figures end up supporting yay in the same way that vanity candidates use campaigns to sell books nick can use this to network and raise his stature within other right wing spaces this isn't a campaign that's destined or even intended to succeed this is a design of pure accelerationism where a gigantic star that the media can't ignore is used to bullhorn the talking points of people who are easy to ignore the goal isn't to win it isn't even to help a conservative or republican win it's to take over the right wing anyone paying attention saw how easy it was to get the entirety of the GOP power structure to fall in line with trump and they have to have realized that that wasn't like an

isolated event that wasn't going to happen again if someone were able to command a similar amount of cult of personality and promise these GOP leaders the things they want they will become yay republicans overnight yeah it's uh it was dramatic how quickly that happened never ever underestimate the craveness of politicians the goal is primarily to move the party the GOP to further into the extreme right wing and as such i think it's now time that we need to step up to the plate and take on some of this stuff i'm shied away from covering some folks like this for various reasons that i mentioned at the top of the episode but i'm going to reconsider that in terms of broadening our wacky wednesday crew to include some of these other characters

and one of the highest priorities i believe is nick fuentes it's very easy just to call nick a racist and an anti-semite and that's all good and well and i don't think i would disagree but from my taste i want a fuller picture so today what we're gonna do is we're gonna jump in and cover an episode of nick's show america first from just before he made his big splash into the nazi adjacent big leagues on august 11th 2017 this is just before he would attend the unite the right rally after which he dropped out of college and really committed himself to streaming racist shit from his parents basement right so at this point he's on uh or his show is being aired on the right side broadcasting network um and uh you know he's a 18 year old boy uh that is a real

shithead but even in this nascent state you can hear uh basically very much uh the underpinnings of the ideas that i believe he's uh still carrying out and uh some of it i think applies to his behavior visa v gay so i'm sorry jordan yeah great i'm excited i'm stoked i can tell the sincerity nothing i wanted more than to listen to an 18 year old white nationalist tell me things yep great here he announces that he's going to charlotte's film okay first order of business i will be at unite the right finally i made the accommodations i made it happen folks i did i know a lot of people kept asking me over the weekend and this week they were saying nick are you gonna be at unite the ride i hope i'll see you at unite the ride are you coming down to charlotte'sville i will be there

i will be there to rally the troops rally with the people so he is uh he's going and we all know how that went yeah it went great it did everybody was united uh not just the right but uh the whole world uh is like hands across america is great so um nick has some interesting thoughts actually about this rally itself okay and that he is suspicious of it because it is a honeypot meant to trap conservatives basically yeah i knew it i am a little bit worried as much as i am excited to go and meet people of like mind people that know what's going on people that are not dumb and are in the matrix and on the blue pill people that we can talk about how we're gonna fix the country fix the demographics as excited as i am for all of that i'm nervous and this was a little

bit of a shower thought today you're going to have all the top guys the top brass all the tin pot soldiers if you will that are going to be there all the main guys from the white nationalist alt right fringe right i don't know what you'd want to call it but this new faction that's emerging obviously there's a lot of fact the same old section that sort of goes with the territory white nationalist about unite the right that you have all different groups going together i sort of thought it's kind of like in that movie in glorious bastards which i watched it i liked it for a long time and then i hit the red pill and now i hate it and i really hate it for obvious reasons but in glorious bastards the end of the movie they get all the nazis in one place and then

they blow them all up and they shoot them all and they kill them all and i'm thinking you know that's sort of like pornography basically for the social justice warrior for the communist for you know people of color whatever i'm sorry thinking is that not exactly what we're doing with unite the right is let's put every important person in our movement in one place and everyone sees us as a threat to civilization i mean isn't that isn't that kind of worrisome i don't know i mean i hope i'm not concerning people i'm still going to go you know you can't live your life in fear but you think of it that kessler enox spencer james also baked the last i mean like everyone's going to be there sam hide lauren southern people from rebel media are gonna be there and uh i don't know is that

a great idea i don't know who who thought it'd be a great idea like hey let's all go to lee park everyone thinks we're nazis and bigots and let's just go in the middle of an open field all the important people look i understand the importance of rallying the troops building the morale uniting the right that's why i'm going but i am a little worried about that part of it i that you might get some some nut job some travis bickle larper down there with some bad intentions and some bad ideas what is a nut job it's uh it's interesting um his his perception and that is is like well i mean what better i identify with the nazis in that book well i mean he doesn't like it for obvious reasons yeah exactly it could be so i think it's very very very obvious that you think that we are getting

all the nazis together too yeah and you're one of them right and i mean he's talking about this new faction that's coming together and he's like the white nationalist like you you recognize that this is the you know part a large part of this group yeah that uh that you are uniting yeah it's not it's not like we call you that you are that yeah yeah you get it you even you get it it's it's interesting his his like oh then maybe some nut job will but but like i mean you don't understand the movie if you think it's just some nut job there was a war and hitler was there so hooray that was kind of the point yeah i mean if your argument is that this is a lot like that i think you're saying a lot too much i think you might be arguing the wrong point perhaps so um

their portrayed as dangerous uh these um no they are dangerous remember the unite the right rally that happened literally immediately following this i do i do and that's why it's a little ironic we're portrayed in the media as the dangerous ones the violent ones we're the only people in the world that can't advocate for our own interests without it being dangerous like you go to a black lives matter rally and you're not in danger of getting killed by white people you may be in danger of getting killed by yes you are white supremacist or clansmen if you go to a palestinian rally there's no danger of you getting killed if you go to a pro zionist by white there's no danger of you getting killed by white revokes your permits deletes your event page on

facebook denies you service in air bnb in uber that doesn't happen only happens with white people right only when we say we don't want to be exterminated we're the only ones getting denied service revoked events canceled on facebook and threat of being murdered by people and that's just fine that's just acceptable right not anymore folks yeah i mean uh the rally that he's promoting going to heather hayer was murdered uh at that rally hit by a car driven by a white identity extremist yep additionally uh deandre harris was brutally beaten by four rally attendees who went to prison uh for it and um i mean we could we could litigate all of the violence and you know people who have died at at various rallies but i don't think tim would or i don't think nick would

like that yeah i don't think that would uh be be a good use of his time and that's why you know he's just yeah nonsense this is this is really uncomfortable just because he's 18 you know like this is the type of shit that an 18 year old would fucking say to be edgy or some dumb shit like that and then people would intervene adults would exist but instead he's surrounded by adults who are like fuck yeah dude go on be more white supremacists money to do it exactly let's give you a million dollars also yeah it's uh yeah it uh it's unfortunate in some ways even for him um yeah because i i i think that a lot of people when they're 17 80 19 even into your 20s if you are held to that for the rest of your life yeah it's not necessarily fair

yeah but the the state that we are in this is the same person yep he is not like maybe he's refined some things maybe he would speak about things a little bit more savilly sure uh than he then he did in 2017 but like primarily it's not like oh oh i'm embarrassed to look back on myself because i wore um right right right right too many good i helped me what i'm items of flair clothing styles i don't know i mean i said wash jeans i yeah i was trying to think of something but nine in pop culture but like pet rocks i don't know what you need for me i'm here for you so um one of the things that nick does on his shows he goes over the news of the day uh and apparently the big news uh around this time is that google memo uh james demore uh had written that oh i remember that

yeah yeah but uh how maybe women biologically aren't meant to be in these fields hey what are you gonna do right so that's the big news people have big opinions and nick has a has a take on this and then of course we're talking about this google thing you know i i didn't talk about this a whole lot because it was very basic it was a very basic subject it was a very basic topic to talk about it was all your usual suspects your usual free speech warriors google fired someone for saying a contrary opinion oh that's against free speech you know as much as i like a lot of the personalities on like the alt light the new right you know that faction it's just boring it's so bland to me because there's so many bigger things going on you know like i was saying about the unite the right

when when our people when white people are being killed and discriminated against and we're under the threat of violence for advocating our interest and you know you have people that are in front of maps and things complaining about social media and all that you know you just got to think of your priorities yeah he's a high-minded bigot you understand yeah he's like this is this is just sort of small potatoes you got to look at the bigger picture come on be racist but be ambitious about it right right i find it interesting that baked within uh these white people is a kind of ironic understanding of what it takes for you to be the oppressed party right so they know what it is that oppression is right and they know that it's not happening to them

probably on some level you know so it's it is a little bit like i'm just but taking what behavior has been done and i'm pretending that it's happening to me right thereby whatever it is that i'm justifying is justified to do to me right like they don't understand that concept but you i mean that's i mean it's pretty simple you can't say well they don't understand it you can't come out and say my political objective is to make sure that my race is always in a position where we can assert authority in all situations sure you know like that is not really a good uh you're not gonna get a lot of people coming along and being like hey sounds interesting right right right uh whereas if you present it this way it kind it's it's uh

euphemistic in the same way that like a localization issue sure way you know way that tim can talk about anti-semitism without like actually being upfront about what this is right it's the same thing with nick he's he's a salesman right you know right right i'm just i'm just saying that if they understand the consequences of their own actions then they have justified the consequences that's all i'm saying so um one of the things that you uh need to understand about nick uh in terms of his prescriptive ideas about uh policy and about like the way society should be ordered is that he is not necessarily uh somebody who is in the same camp as like alex uh who like believes in the constitution sure sure sure because why would you they don't right um no one does

nick nick thinks that a lot of things that um maybe are held sacred by uh the liberalist society sure three societies he's going mass maybe they're fucking stupid he's going mask up for so long we're told by the right wing that we should be libertarians right that as long as there's no censorship as long as there's no discrimination as long as there's like a free market and there's free speech and there's a free and open society that's good enough right the conservatives say we should have a free press and we should have free enterprise and free speech and free assembly and free everything do and for a long time i was on that bandwagon i was on that train but you look at every instance of this for example the free enterprise you have all kinds of conservatives that are saying well you

know google fired this guy for speaking out against you know speaking out about obvious biological truths about men and women but google's a private company they can do what they want and there's nothing we can do about it right google's a private company and so they're free to do it we may not agree with it but that's their right and god bless the free market and i thought to myself that is true in every institution where we have these dummies on the right these dummy conservatives that all they advocate for is free openness open freedom whatever libertine libertarians and we always get screwed every time with everything free enterprise doesn't really involve whether or not google should have fired james demore i understand that nick wants a

dictatorship but that isn't really a coherent no that one's not really there also demores memo is shit and even the national labor board found after an investigation that his firing was completely legal and appropriate he argues that there are innate biological traits that make women less employed in the tech field and at google and this had an effect of creating a hostile work environment for folks and it wasn't protected like this isn't i don't i don't know but you get this this revelation through discussing this story that like no fuck there should be the government should be controlling the economy they should step in and be like no fuck this but even in hiring and firing decisions about government should have a choice all of this stuff yes if fuentes was

dictator then he would tell corporations who they can hire and fire you can't you can't that's a good system you can't fire people for creating a hostile work environment for a certain group of a staff that's no no you do get to do that if you're a white man yeah i've got a rule i've got a new rule that i think works perfectly okay okay you cannot talk to me about chromosomes unless you know what all of them do so if you're gonna tell me there's a biological difference that you can pinpoint between an x and a y that's fine you also have to tell me about the other 24 every single fucking one of them and if you don't know shit about the other 24 then shut the fuck up about the two you do know about well about that well this one here is a librarian see that's what i'm saying this one

works in construction totally what i'm saying if that's your bullshit then you better know them all this one is an artist absolutely secretly has a trust fuck how dare they all do the professional ones do yeah i don't know what the chromosomes do exactly so shut the fuck what are their jobs uh there's like the there's the the ones that are like oh how much hair do you have i remember that one so in addition to like not being into this free enterprise stuff right uh he is also not into free speech he does not think it matters free speech yet all the college kids in berkeley marching for free speech in the 60s once they got in control of academia no free speech for white people free enterprise there's no discrimination allowed by the market because it's costly to a

business we should open up the free markets you can only discriminate against white people in the marketplace now freedom of the press we can talk about anything in the press as long as we get a free press we can have information and everything it's an information revolution with the internet only people that are discriminated against white people once they take control of the institutions and who controls the institutions folks take a look take a look at who controls them right the globalists and i just think it's so funny that you have so many people young people in particular at baffles me that are still championing this hedonistic ridiculous libertarian cause that only hurts our interests yeah so uh one thing that is important to point out is that

every time that nick says globalists he's smiling and doing like a little bit of a wink to the audience he knows we all know right it's debatable whether or not uh or at least how consistently alex is using that euphemistically for jewish people right but with nick it is not it's pretty transparent that he's winking yeah you know what i'm talking about yeah hey you know why i don't like uninglorious bastards yeah yeah okay so if i was a fascist dictator all right i'm not giving a shit about hiring a firing people whatever ba ba ba ba ba not my job all right it seems like it would be tough to micromanage the only thing i'm doing is i'm going to create a what i'm going to call it a do it to you camp right so everything else the government can do whatever they want but

this is my baby all right and that's every time somebody's like all right ba ba ba you know like fuentes then he goes to the do it to you camp and then all the things that he wants get done to him and then we figure it out you know then we'll see how he turns out on the other side of the maybe fascism is bad camp yeah i don't know if i fully support uh either you becoming a dictator or this plan well in particular but the second one really you undercuts the first one sure so the the uh it's it's interesting to me the way that these assertions are just made and like there's no evidence or anything presented for like you can only have free speech for white people yeah you can only hurt for white people with free speech yeah you got only business you can be discriminatory

against the white people yeah i think it just seems like a whiner yeah well i mean it's that it's that debate club like yeah repeats the certain keywords that you need who can happen white people well ba ba ba and white people and people who disagree don't really matter they're not your audience exactly people who under like agree with this already are the people you are hoping you suck in and exactly and generally speaking if it's right side broadcasting network it's a pretty good chance that that's who's going to be watching yeah so uh nick has an interesting metaphor here about uh i guess the races this is dumb the wacky races nope oh nope no all right think of it like this think of it i've made the analogy on the show before it's like a soccer game okay and one team

let's call it uh the color team the black team okay well you've already started just for the sake of example black team is there playing soccer they wear black jerseys they don't play by the rules they pick the ball up with their hands and they throw it in the net and they only pass to each other and they they run into the middle of the field they pick up the ball and then they throw it in the net and then they take it out and they throw it in the net and they take it out and then they throw it in the net and they're winning they're just running up the scoreboard one two you know you don't see high scores in soccer because it's a ridiculous sport but you're seeing 100 105 200 because they're just picking it up and throwing it in the net they're not playing by the rules

they're not playing ethically they're not playing fairly they're not playing by the rules they pick it up they throw it in the net and let's just say hypothetically the other team the white team they're wearing white jerseys they're just getting mad about it they're just sitting on the sidelines with their hands on their hips saying hey that's not fair that's not playing by the rules black team you can't pick it up with your hands and throw it in the net that's not by the rules look at our rulebook it goes against article one section whatever of the rulebook and you're not playing by the rules and we're not going to let this happen and they sit there with their hands on their hips and black teams just keep throwing it in the net and they're running up to scoreboard

and white team saying hey i don't like that so much except here's the difference in the real world it doesn't matter how you get the points it just matters that you get the points and the loser dies the loser is exterminated once they get to a point where the black team gets a huge lead black team just kills white team and that's basically the world we're living in i don't have to spell out the analogy but that's basically it which is you have people on white team that are saying let's do whatever it takes to win and then everyone else on the white team is saying no that's not fair we have to play by the rules we will not play until everyone plays by the rules and you understand what happens white team may have the rulebook white team may have played

ethically they were so fair they were so moral they were so virtuous they talked about the universal brotherhood of soccer players and how it's all just about it's not about we are losing it's about playing the game but then they all get killed in the parking lot once everyone decides to go home and that's the world we live in that's the world we live in can i let me try a soccer metaphor okay it's like let's take one team for the sake of argument the white team all right now on this soccer pitch uh let's say the white team has several hundred players like Marcello Balboa exactly Tony Miola but i mean like Alexi Lovers littering the field like from start to they've got five people in goal right and then the black team has about 10 people all right and then the

white team steals the black team's parents balls takes those away from them and then their grandparents balls and takes those away from them so they've got all these millions of balls and they're just fire them at the goal but then the black team scores one goal and so the white team goes fucking ape shit and elect trump to be president well it's interesting that neither of your metaphors really makes sense in terms of soccer um yeah i i would like to ask nick some follow-up questions the first would be what are the points in this metaphor like what does that stand for i believe literally writes i believe he's literally talking about rights those are the points that's weird yeah i mean i don't know i don't know what he means just win or lose so it's hard to

it's hard to really respond to his metaphor because they don't understand what the goals are i don't know what scoring means um i don't i don't know who the refs are are the refs because i mean like you know if they were there i would guess that they're just giving yellow and red cards to the white team yeah i mean they must like nick because he speaks too much truth he gets a yellow card i suppose and i guess that means like getting kicked off twitter maybe maybe that's what the refs are maybe the refs are like jack see i think he loses the metaphor at the end when he's like i think and then everyone dies in the parking lot yeah exactly that's the part where it's like maybe your sticks are not about the game so much as you just want to kill everyone that you

don't like no because he's saying that they are going to be the subject of the killing right right but he's only saying that because he wants them to be the opposite of that right because there's in his metaphor there's only two teams right and one of them is getting murdered in the parking lot one of the members on the white team who's saying we shouldn't play by the rules no we should murder them at the parking lot basically basically yes not good not a good metaphor no no doesn't work so anyway i mentioned that nick doesn't like free speech an ironic yeah but the moral of the story the teachable moment is the free speech idea the free speech spook is an instrument it's not the ends in itself we use free speech as an argument as a tool to further our own interests we use free

speech to get these guys to play by their own rules to hold themselves to the same standards but we're not after free speech in itself we're not after total and absolute freedom in itself of course not because every time that we do get this total and absolute freedom we get certain groups of people that use it and through unfair advantages and strategies they climb to the top and use it to their own advantage we're talking about the globalists here and so that's why we have to play for our own team finally and that's what it comes down to with this google thing it teaches us that the argument is liberty but not for liberty for the sake of itself not in itself not as an ends in itself but to further our own interests this is a great moment to understand

nick a little bit better don't for a second trust that something he's saying necessarily has to be sincere because there's a very good chance that something he's pursuing is actually just a red herring and is part of something else entirely namely advancing his white identity agenda what nick is doing is echoing the ideology of his forefathers particularly george lincoln rockwell the founder of the american nazi party rockwell would go to college campuses and cause a scene and gain free press coverage under the banner of free speech but the goal was really spreading his nazi ideas the free speech part isn't important to them at all on the basis of it being a principle they would gladly crush the speech rights of people they didn't like were they in charge but

they know that they can cry free speech in order to mask what their rallies and ideologies are actually about this trend is really consistent on the right wing i think about how all the anti lockdown protests that happened over the last few years were really more or less just radicalization points for anti-vaxxers to spread their ideology the far right has an internal awareness that their ideas are things that most people hate so they need to trojan horse them to people presenting your ideas as they actually exist is a sure path to rejection so you use universally approved concepts like free speech as a mask that your actual ideology hides behind yeah and nick is pretty open about yeah no i mean it's fun it's it is like an it's like a teen listening to all of the

adults lie and going well i get what you're saying see i'm telling you what you're saying that's what you're saying why aren't you saying it like that's it's very simple honestly it's like he's not coming up with ideas well no not necessarily at this stage i would not say that he's necessary but he is demonstrating a pretty keen awareness of these underlying tactics that people use to push people further right yeah and he's articulating them in a way that is germane to and consistent with his behavior sense yeah um so that i think is worth understanding no i mean it is it's fucked up in a way because it's very clear that he sees through the bullshit it's just that he's mad about it like he's like why are we lying all the time can't we just tell

people that we want to kill the ones we don't like yeah can't we can't we just exert power with power yeah no there's a stop it with this charade of free speech except he's not saying that he is saying we use these tools yeah because we need to in order to get to the point where we can kill the people we don't like in the parking lot exactly so no i mean that's that's the annoying part he's he's clearly understands the strategy yeah so he gets talking a little bit about women in the workplace and what have you got some bad opinions on there what's the other 24 chromosomes conservative women even and you try and tell them this like hey you know sweetheart i know you feel really passionate about this because you want to get the attention of some chad college

republican in the frat party but if you really want to save the country if you want to fulfill your moral obligation to your country and people you should be getting married and having 10 or 15 children and you will be by the way in no that is no small order either you will be the backbone of the country of the revolution as a good mother but they all want to fight you on this everyone wants to fight you on this and say that's sexist that's misogynistic you can't say that that's just not realistic that's not with the times and everything's going so well right it's totally fine if people choose to be homemakers but the option to pursue whatever work they want is pretty critical to a free world like it's it's sexist or misogynist to say that women have to

do that yeah that's the point that people make but anyway not not for nothing a major element of nazi propaganda involved women reproducing more white babies and how that was the cornerstone of building the third right yeah they gave an award called the cross of honor of the german mother to women who had four or more children yeah that's what nick is harkening to with this message and it's pretty clear he goes he goes on to talk a bit more about this later too just like really strongly about his feelings about like you need to have seven children then they will you then that's seven children who will also give birth to seven children that are all conservative yeah right all right um it's a little uh i mean first of all it is harkening back to that yeah

ideology that's a great replacement but second it's also dumb i mean because how many people do we know who have conservative parents who are quite liberal it's you know there's no guarantee that just because you even if you have a tightly controlled family system right that doesn't make it like any more likely that your children are going to end up having your exact same ideology right no and that's why it would be nice if everybody understood that when you try and implement the things that these are right people right wing people think will happen then we get crazy weird unintended consequences that nobody understood or expected to happen like for instance uh but i don't know say the covid response being letter fucking rip from

half of our goddamn country there's a lot of things that are unintended because they have terrible ideas yeah so nick uh believes that racism is all around him against white people yeah i i think he would believe that yeah and he decides that he's gonna bring up a really prime example of this let's hear it and for everyone that doubts me on this for people like my mom who doubt me on this who think i'm some sort of racist bigot because i want my people to stay alive mom step in here you turn the show off you think go around him you think libertine from being racist are fine and libertine is a word look that up if you're not sure you think that's all fine and well we just need to have an open press do me a favor right now if you're

watching the show on youtube click on the top right open a new tab in this window open a new tab go into google and i want you to google for me american inventors if you don't believe me if you think i'm peddling if you think i'm peddling fiction as brock obama says if you think i'm making this up if you think i'm some white supremacist some conspiracy to the point i will demonstrate to you first hand click open the new tab and google american inventors tell me who comes up tell me who will come up in that google search when you google american inventors tell me um does benjamin franklin come up no does uh i think nicola tesla might come up he might not i haven't checked in a while but what do what do just about every single one of the results

that come up in google have in common gee weird was it their miraculous was it their miraculous influential inventions no that's not quite it they have uh they have george washington carver before they have thomas edison so you know that can't be it gee what could it be who are they deliberately excluding from that search result who are they deliberately revising history to exclude so just one thing uh tesla was born in croatia i was going to say tesla is not an american yeah he lived in the us and all but i think he wouldn't necessarily be counted as an american inventor maybe especially not in fuentes's eyes well well yeah for other reasons yeah exactly maybe you would put him in that category it's possible uh it's debatable whether or not you'd say he's an american

inventor but the thing that nick is concerned with is that he's white anyway uh nick is going to google inventors and let's see he's gonna do it let's see what happens for us yeah so let's enjoy a little game of racism why does everybody try and fucking heraldo that's safe man it's a terrible idea it's not gonna go well oh i think that nick is probably better at presentation than oan is that's fair and so here's where he gets and who do we have george washington carver he's the first result when you think of american inventors you think of george washington carver right we eat peanuts howard latimer one of my favorites growing up definitely here on my geerit morgan oh ah yes uh geerit morgan i can't remember which one uh he invented elysia mccoy uh doesn't ring a bell madame walker

doesn't ring a bell okay so first five first five entries i've heard of one of them don't know any of their inventions well let's keep going oh finally thomas edison of course thomas edison invented the lightbulb like a hundred other things probably one of the greatest inventors of all time number six ironic number six he's behind elysia mccoy madame walker geerit morgan lewis latimer george washington carver after edison you have lani johnson oh good old lani johnson uh my friend grandville woods patricia baff jan erntz matt zeleiger and i'm gonna have to scroll to the right on who else do we have alexander grandbell okay finally so we have in all of those entries okay do you even want to every single one black to white guys and we got edison and grandbell you think that's like a

coincidence does that make sense i have no idea what listy's looking at but i decided to play along with him and according to my google results i don't know if they've changed since 2017 or whatever but the first names that come up are thomas edison samuel morse robert folton and alexander grandbell all white dudes and then you have george washington carver sure i don't know what listy's looking at so i can't really respond to it specifically but seems like bullshit a larger issue is his blanket disregard and disrespect for black inventors he doesn't know who any of these people are which makes the opposite argument than what i think nick is intending wouldn't that yeah no one knows about these people but what did they invent geerit morgan invented the traffic light and a smoke hood

which allowed firefighters to withstand smoke exposure and still be able to breathe lewis latimer worked for edison and actually holds the patent for electric lamps he also invented one of the early forms of air conditioning elijah mccoy invented the automatic lubricator for steam engines essentially revolutionizing railroad travel both in terms of civilian use as well as for commercial purposes madame walker is remembered as the first female self-made millionaire in us history and developed hair care systems for black women lani johnson invented the super soaker one of the best-selling toys of all time and has worked developing tech while working at nasa as an engineer on spaceships grandville woods invented automatic brakes the steam

boiler furnace and a raft of other railroad related things he's often called the black edison but i guess nick hasn't heard of him patricia bath invented things that improved cataract surgeries jan erntz invented the lasting machine which allowed for greater an easier production of shoes which previous to that was a severely complicated process that had to be done by hand sure uh and it basically allowed for i mean all sorts of development of footwear right i i mean i i have a bigger issue with this whole dumb train of thought which is just like why are you arbitrary ass bullshit america arbitrary arbitrary it's only been most stuff was invented in asia from a thousand million years ago it doesn't matter that's fine invented

what wherever well that's fine it's crazy that's fine every it's not that more white people didn't invent shit the end but there's two things yeah one is that i think you just see uh disregard and disrespect like i said of these uh figures of american uh invention history because they're black nick finds them to be not oh yeah not interesting or anything and he feels that he can denigrate them yeah secondly it's not about all this inventing stuff it's about the fact that nick thinks that google is trying to exclude white inventors as a racist plot if you're trying to aggregate the best search results why don't you have ben franklin on there why isn't thomas edison number one why isn't tesla there why aren't i can't think of a whole lot of inventors i'm not like a science

guy but even i know that's pretty ridiculous why what's the agenda who did that who who working behind the scenes programmed that this thing doesn't just happen by itself right you know that's not that is not an organic search result someone went in there and they changed it and why did they change it why was that allowed who let that happen for what purpose does that going to make google more money as the free market capitalists tell us no no no it's going to hurt white people's feelings yeah i guess this reminds me of uh what i can't remember who said it was the reconstruction era quote of like if you convince the poorest white man that he's richer than the black than a black king then you've got him forever something along those lines and it's like it is such that

just like oh who the fuck is this i don't care oh they saved a billion lives and i'm just a piece of shit yelling about how i'm racist on air weird weird how great i am this person oh you all you saved blue why does google tell me about people who saved lives uh yeah i've got racism to do yeah so we know from alex's uh talk that um uh the new world order it exists and it's a very scary thing of course and george h w bush is the leader of it because he used the words new world order skull and bones in a speech um here's nick and it's going to be showdown in a pacific ultimately between the two great powers emerging great powers which are china and the united states yet to be seen how that one will result this is the first test i think in a much broader more

long-term sense for the u.s and china's relationship going forward how that power dynamic will work in a world order in the 21st century oh oh is there a world order that's uh developing in the 21st century would that be a new uh state of a world order well i mean it is different it's confirmed it is different nick is the head of the new world order from the previous order yes there was an order in the past right and that order is no longer the same order as current so one could argue yes it is new right such stupid shit yep anyway um the there's a discussion here of uh the sort of crypto strategy that nick employs in order to push his ideas and uh this is part of towards the end of his episode he takes questions from the audience and some of these questions end

up uh revealing a fair amount and i think that you make a great observation earlier about how like these just a team explaining what those these people do yeah yeah and that's basically what happens and navacat asks do you think it's not more productive to lay low and infiltrate from within rather than go full red pill well i haven't gone full red pill just yet if you haven't noticed i mean i've been using some words some analogies that aren't quite there but they i have but i'm not is what i'm trying to say i don't know that's just it i don't know i'm a liar for me to lay low and infiltrate without going full red pill only because you really can't make the argument without the truth and in order to lay low you can't tell the truth so you argue with people about immigration

and at a certain point you can't argue about culture right at a certain point it becomes very difficult to say well we don't want immigration because of downward pressure on low wage work low skilled work and their wages gets very difficult at a certain point to not make the whole case not make the full case with everything we know the truth that you can't talk about so i don't know i'm i'm feeling it out i think it's a lot of improv improvisation i don't think the long-term grand plan i don't think that's really feasible i don't think that's viable but um i'm trying to feel it out and what i'm really trying to do i think is ultimately we're gonna have to take the red pill ultimately that that will happen i'm just trying to i think

take as many people with me as possible as i go yeah so i mean i feel i feel like that clip should be played for the american public like constantly just non-stop followed by me saying a teenager figured it out you idiots a fucking teen he's 18 look at this idiot come on you fucking morons it's obvious just play it again play it again i'm gonna say it again right and you know like following a falling in with him yeah means that you are either being tricked by him or you get it too exactly and you're gleefully going along with this i want that i beat it i want a non-stop ps a run i want my own channel where i just play this clip and i go see see so there's more strategic talk here and and i do think it is you know i mean you just have more

content for your loop yeah quite frankly navigate asks nick do you think it is wise to go full white nationalism rather than to take it slowly infiltrate the system from within and then promote nationalism when you actually have power no i i think um i think it's ill advised and i say that with experience i'll tell you a little anecdote okay you guys weren't here last week when i went to the job training in dc i went to a job training to work for a do tank a certain do tank a think tank and i was in the job training for it and i was disqualified on my first day disqualified on my first day it was like a two-week job training to be a field representative pretty benign pretty simple position and this was a think tank that's pretty much like an umbrella group

it's a big tent group where they have a lot of people in there i know people in there that agree with me on a lot of things i know people that agree with me on a lot of things it's a big tent group they have people libertarians conservatives paleo cons all kinds of people now i go there to get the job to be a field representative in wisconsin and i was disqualified on day one by this dopey girl named ivy from lebanon because i said i wanted to protect my people because i was against immigration now immigration is a conservative issue to be against illegal and to some extent legal immigration that's the policy of our president that's the policy of our party so subtle and yet i get disqualified from even getting an entry-level job at this conservative big tent

think tank because i said i was against immigration because i wanted to protect my people and you realize two things number one it's very difficult to hide you have to basically go completely dark completely normie and at that point i think you're doing a lot of harm rather than good at the same time you think you're getting big you think you're infiltrating you think you're growing your base or growing independent but the minute that you go a little bit further to the right the minute that you go off your script the minute that you go away from what your character that they built you up to be you lose everything you lose your money you lose your funding you lose your connections you lose a lot of your audience like imagine for example imagine if bill o'reilly if he was still on

television and he said i don't know some kind of white nationalist talking point he would be fired he would be fired and a lot of people would stop watching him and following him and he would stop making money and they would make sure he never had a voice he would be blacklisted he would be they would smear his name run his name through the mud everywhere and he would be he'd be like the new david duke right if you're doing it from the beginning as sort of controversial as sort of uh you know on the fringe and not totally fitting in the mainstream that's expected and it grows a little bit more organically it's not that much of a shock you build your own connections you build your own infrastructure beyond that i think the time is right i think the time is right the money

is there the support is there the infrastructure is there where we can really give it a shot and i'm definitely not a white nationalist because if you're a white nationalist that's the same thing as a white supremacist so do not ever call me don't let me in with the actual nazis good good save there good save at the end uh okay so is reincarnation real because i think henry ford is alive again i'm concerned that henry ford is back baby yeah jesus christ yeah or uh george wallis yeah no segregation now segregation later i think though that like um some some of that some of the ability to articulate some of this stuff and somehow it not be like completely destructive to his ability to exist right in in in any kind of a space um i i think it does speak to

a certain amount of savvy on his part i do think that he and that's one of the reasons why i think that he is not like these other people that don't know i agree and you know some of these folks are um kind of boring in the sense that they do appear to be out to scam like tim pool i don't think he has any kind of moral center or any ideological yeah absolutely not he's doing things that are advantageous and expedient for him to get the most views on he's got a bill but we're in front of and a beanie yeah get up i don't the fuck you know i think that there are people like steven krauter who push ideological things obviously he has he has toxic and bad political positions that that have an ideological bent to them but i don't think he has an ideological center

yeah like and one of the things that differentiates alex from even from oan treuer is that there does there is a point of him that has a core to it yeah you know his birchy beliefs that he was obsessed with and and changed him as a teen yeah like that is a part of his trajectory in his career and with nick that is there there is like that yeah something no what's what's annoying is that he understands uh the the i mean oddly enough he understands how things work fairly well in so far as like like us you know a manipulative game of it well and not just that but i mean the doing of it as as a job like with our show we are beholden to our listeners you know what i'm saying like it's not like our advertisers can drop off if we say something wrong what what'll

happen is if we uh our dicks to our listeners they'll be like hey stop be a dicks to us you know like that sure or they'll leave sure right in the same way that's what he's doing only he doesn't understand that second part of being beholden to his his listeners to his followers which i think is where he's starting to get now because from what i've from what i've heard he's starting to get pushed back from the whole incel people for being i don't know someone who has occasionally thought about sex or not i don't even know which one it is yeah i don't uh i don't caught too much into paying attention to that stuff about him like not having sex or being uh oh i have no interest in it at all i think a lot of people do have uh interest in that i've seen a number of

things on twitter and i think a lot of people fall for um you know maybe jokes and stuff sure he's he is a figure that you have to take kind of carefully right in terms of like you kind of just have to ignore some stuff and be like alright whatever man okay um because there is more important things that are being uh said that maybe aren't as flamboyant or as uh you know in the same way that i don't spend a whole lot of time concerning myself with alex talking about gay frogs and shit right right you know there are other things like in the instance of of nick this right just clear understanding of like a way to launder white nationalism into uh other spaces right and this thing where he's like i you know i am not a white nationalist at the end is such a very

obvious way of saying i am yeah but i want to say i have to say that i'm not in a very winking way yeah he's you know the question if you'll remember here listen to what the question was navacat asks nick do you think it is wise to go full white nationalism rather than to take it slowly infiltrate the system from within and then promote nationalism when you actually have power no i i think um i think it's ill advised and his story that he tells is about himself going to try to get this entry-level position at a think tank right where he says that he told this woman from lebanon that he doesn't like immigration because he's trying to protect his people yeah which is his example of i guess that's him toning it down to get a job i guess that's what i heard him

that's my understanding of the story is that he was like there's no point in even pretending to say that you're not a white nationalist because even when i tried i'm so white nationalist when i thought i was fucking watering it down it was still overflowing with white nationalism even when you do this if you succeed within this to you know bring about some kind of clout or notoriety to yourself you have the potential for that to be taken away from you once you stray too far from the acceptable path right and so the way to do it is to be upfront about a lot of stuff be a complete fucking weirdo yeah take the lumps that come along with it the marginalization grow your shit to the point where you know you can uh avoid those pitfalls and that's basically the path

that he's managed to walk right and i do think that there is one thing that he got wrong um and that is that if bill o'reilly said white nationalist things i'm not sure he would be kicked especially not i mean yeah not now for sure yeah for sure no but i i think that's exactly what is is also concerning about only being beholden to your own audience in the same way that alex uh was after you know after he was kicked off of everything is that like also there is no stopping it only the audience can stop him at this point because nobody else can affect his audience you know yeah yeah i wonder it's just him in the audience i wonder and uh you know with so many of these folks uh the audience also includes like i don't know billionaire donors will send you eight million

in crypto yeah exactly you know like that that is also an element of this that is um a confounding factor of the beholdenness right right right you know that's fair that's fair so uh interestingly on this episode coincidentally nick gets a question about milo that's weird odd other questions oh and what are your thoughts on milo i like i kind of like milo i don't know i'm i'm sort of ambivalent about milo i liked him for a long time because i thought he was funny and because you see him like causing happenings and it's cool and it's cool to see antifa get mad and he makes people mad and i like that but um you know he brags about the things he does some of the more hedonistic alternative things he does and it's very off-putting you know milo he may

bring people into the movement which he does and god bless him for that and he may be sharing a message which is a little bit alternative and um you know he does give a fear hearing to certain people on the fringe far right but i think it is not wise to hold up someone who lives a lifestyle like that as as your main guy and there's a lot of things that go into it it's not just it's not just that he's gay but you know he brags about things i can't even talk about on the show because they're so vulgar and in other forms of degeneracy and he brags about the gay things he does i mean that's on the loop that's on the loop like do you guys get it do you not see it's all there this episode maybe should just be your loop it's just a loop yeah and oh let's

add this to the loop while we're at it all right not yeah fat asks when are you going to go full red pill you will get even more followers someday when it becomes when the time is read oh for god's sakes when the people are ready to receive the red pill i will go i will go full red pill but you have to you have to sort of go with the tempo of time i mean we can't really we can only set the tempo so much we have to work with what's happening in the country and um you know i think the time is definitely right in europe you know the time is right in the united kingdom in germany in poland in italy when you see the european union that's suing italy to take in more migrants like certain things become definitely more viable for your everyday person whereas in america where people

aren't seeing it where you have 300 million people and you're not seeing the same kind of culture shock that you are in europe i don't think people are as susceptible to that sort of far far right message so you may have you're extremely far right progenitors of ideas and culture and propaganda but you have to have people that can sort of be palatable to the mainstream to focus those ideas to make them to make them viable on a mass market scale to make them appealing for the mass market and that's the nature of politics i'm sorry but it's not 1917 okay we can't be the bolsheviks and take over the capital by accident basically with a few thousand people it's not going to happen it may happen i don't know if the economy collapses it may happen fair point i think

to a large extent it's dependent on how can we make this viable for more people very ironic that uh like uh just years a few years after this right in there thousands of friends accidentally took over the capital i mean just just fucking i'm i'm frustrated that we live in a simulation where this kind of shit keeps happening to us okay that's you know we i used to call you a witch but now clearly you're just the architect of my fucking torment that must be what's going on right i feel like if that was the case i'd be taking more glee in this whereas instead it's frustrating for me i mean i think i think you you know it's much like nick fuentes you know you have to lie about everything until you don't have to lie anymore sure once the people are ready to embrace this

white nationalism isn't that what he just said i'm gonna lie until i don't have to well but but there's also a strategic purpose to the lying and that is to be somebody who is a little bit more palatable that is is getting those seeds out there of this stuff and i mean quite honestly whether consciously or not that is also like a fair description of what tim pool does no i mean you know like i think that nick is obviously far more aware and self-actualized yeah about this but uh you know it is a description of a lot of people within that totally this sphere of media figures it's that it's that loop of just like listen this is how they launder bullshit do you not it's he's 18 he already figured it out years ago years ago but see that might be what makes him

so um kind of able to to work yeah in this space yeah is that like it isn't something that most 18 year olds would understand no he grasps it again so fast yeah yeah and i think he was a born propagandist you gotta give it to him the man was born to lie to people yeah that is just his skill yeah and i think i i think that that is also a part of of um you know what makes it kind of disconcerting that he's here with yay and milo in this bizarre trio of of folks who are pushing antisemitism is like you know he's only learned more since this point when he was 18 yeah and it's not like he's expressing some strategy that he decided i shouldn't pursue this this is this is essentially like you can see the footprints of this moving forward

through his career yeah i mean on that tim pool interview he should have been chomping a cigar going i love it when a plan comes together like that is literally what's going on yeah there's only one last clip here okay colonel johnson or joseph what do you think about the really good story that is rarely rarely if ever been told the really good story that is rarely if ever been told a great story that hasn't been told i don't i don't know what you're talking about okay the a good story that's never been told i don't know i don't know i i think i may recall having heard of this once before the good story but um i am annoyed no actually i haven't i haven't if i ever if i ever heard that story it would be racist for me to hear that and think about it

can't do it folks i'm going to get in trouble for that reggae battalion is going to come after me for that for for even knowing isn't that crazy in this country if you know about something and you talk about something you get in trouble as if you're like dedicated to it it's your whole life like because you mentioned something so the greatest story never told is a documentary that is uh arguably the most anti-Semitic thing that's ever been produced maybe a little bit of a positive depiction of hitler yeah there we go all right all right so birth of the nation redux uh yeah and so like this playing around and this dancing around is is uh you know just a fun way to wink and uh you know like i like this i like this pro hitler thing

yeah yeah because that is also part of the game yeah it's the most it's the most annoying part yeah it's the most annoying part that you just laugh while you say the things you believe so you can later call it a joke it is annoying it it's frustrating because i like jokes we write jokes where jokes are good jokes are fun jokes are they're they're structured and they're meaningful sometimes well that's fair sometimes you just talk and you say fart yep that's pretty much what he's doing fart my man fart buddy um so yeah we come to the end of this and um i guess i i think that there are some things obviously there's a different flavor to like an episode of america first than uh like an info wars episode for sure um there is less of an interest in acting out

perhaps generally speaking um but there's also a difference between this and oh and and that i i do think that while not as theatrical as alex per se there is a different kind of competence as a host even at 18 yeah that is you can you can tell from from nick and that makes it you know it's something that i do think that i i feel like we should cover more of and i think we will i think we'll cover some more of this because until this plays its natural course i do see um this trio of weirdos and has something that uh it does not deserve um superficial uh sort of mocking or uh superficial analysis sure i think it is something that points to a big problem and i i think that we can we can look at it and deconstruct stuff as best we can with the

tools at our disposal yeah but we are still gonna you know talk about alex yeah yeah and shit don't don't be concerned listener yeah if nick and oh and we're in the same contest i i think alex would have been like wow we obviously can't get the the 18 year old let's just hire oh and well oh and it wasn't in a contest you made videos that's right apologies and i think that nick probably wouldn't have done it no that's what i'm saying yeah and he would have been right nick wouldn't have gone along because we would have to hide some of his crypto exactly we couldn't have gotten him yeah um i i i oh the thing that i was thinking was a when you're like uh you put nick and oh and in the same place yeah and like it just made me think of cpaq when uh oh it was kind

of uh i don't know if he was dunked on but nick definitely took over that event owned it yes all he does is get owned yep at twitter that's it that's it um so yeah we'll be back uh with another episode i don't uh love the developments in the world but i would also be lying if i said that they didn't intersect with the stuff that we talk about yep and it seems like uh it would be maybe negligent to not uh poke our nose in a little bit and see what's going on it's wise oh we'll be back jordan bless you indeed we will but until then we have a website indeed we do it's knowledge fight.com yep we're on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight uh jordan we'll be back but until then uh i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark um i've been working on a script you've been working

on a script oh shit the one that you've been telling me about uh huh okay yeah it's basically my idea is i want to write the next great american novel but as a script that's brilliant right there's gonna be jokes uh it's gonna be a coming of age story a building's roman uh there's also gonna be like maybe a nerdy character who like an attractive person falls in love with a nerdy best friend kind of thing maybe i haven't figured that part out converting expectations i'm open to criticism should see i just need you to read this okay that's not a script that's the fucking wiki you gotta read the ship and now here comes the sex robots andy and chanzas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you