Knowledge Fight - #754: Formulaic Objections Part 12

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan release the Kraken.  In this installment, the gents review the 2021 deposition of Dan Bidondi, who is much less Kraken-like in a formal setting.  Still a little Kraken-esque, but not very.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Joe. Oh, indeed we are Dan Jordan, Jordan. Quick question for you, buddy. What's up? What's bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan is actually my computer. I had to relaunch and Spotify had been launched along with the restarting of the computer. Sure. And that jogged my memory that I don't really use Spotify for anything except for like, you know, from exercising, listening to music on there, because you just make make playlists and fucks Spotify, Joe Rogan, all that nonsense. There is a there's

a dough boys side podcast that they just started called the the snack stack. And they do a live show on Spotify. Apparently you can do that and they take callers and stuff. It's a lot of fun. It's I've enjoyed it. I like that that show like Nick and Mitch fun and it is what they're very mean to the callers. Yeah. But it's a lot of fun and it reminded me that I feel like at certain points we should try and abuse our notoriety in some way, sure, or our our modicum of celebrity that we have or whatever audience power of the audience. I need to put this out there into the universe to manifest. I would love to end up being on dope boys. Absolutely. Get it done. I feel like almost everything that's happened to

us over the last like couple of years has been like this absurd like that's never going to happen. True idea. True. And then it does, you know, these things, these things do end up happening. Right. We're in the times on CNN with Stelter. Sure. Sure. Here's the problem. Dan. What? The problem is in order to achieve those things, you have always had an unreachable goal in front of you. Yeah. And that is being on the dough boys. Oh, no. That's going to ruin everything. Absolutely. If you grasp that, then what is there to grasp for? Be careful what you get, man. Yeah. It's dangerous. Don't make me. Don't make me go to Quincy. I'll go. I'll show up in Quincy. Hunt Mitch down. Do it. No. So that's my bright spot. It's a lot of fun. It's a dumb,

dumb show. I believe you. Anyway, what's your bright spot? My bright spot is, I don't know if you can see these right here, my man. Nice socks. These are some new socks with my pups on them. Yeah. Those are actually your dogs. Yeah. Those are. That's Fanny and Jake. And then I got this new hoodie. Yeah. And the reason is because my wife is amazing. She got me these things. She is amazing. She loves Christmas. I didn't know you could put dogs on. Yeah, you couldn't brand new technology. Crack the code. Absolutely. It didn't exist there. I mean, early Christmas presents are your same. Exactly. Yep. Very nice. She does a fantastic job of hiding Christmas presents until the moment they arrive and then giving them to me to make me happy. Only a good 19 days early. It's

fantastic. I love it. Never been hidden. Not once, but it's fantastic. What's the point? She's the point of waiting. She's a hero. That's great. That's great. Those are those are great socks. Oh yeah. I always like a nice novelty sock. Love them. Yeah. I didn't used to. I'm not a I'm not a things guy, but now it's novelty socks all the way. What kind of puts a little pep in your step? Absolutely. Oh, you're wearing silly socks. You got to sum a secret. Yeah. During the winter. Yeah. So Jordan, today we got an episode to do. Yeah. And I felt like our last episode was a lot requiring us taking a little bit of a little pause for Monday. Sure. And I didn't want to jump right back into all that necessarily, right? You know, just give that a little bit breathing room, give it a

little bit of time to sit. And then Friday, unfortunately, you're gonna have to come back to some other swamp nonsense. Oh, no. But for today, we have ourselves a little deposition to go over. Oh, and I'm going to say that it is time to release the crack. Oh, God, it's the badandi. It is the day. It's the deposition. Yes. He's an interesting cat. I really got a different feel for him based on this that I had before. You know, you have this image of him is kind of, I mean, he's a pro wrestler. Sure. He's a kind of he has a quite a northeast accent that I think a lot of people code as dumb. Yeah. Which, you know, certainly unfair, prejudicial and what have you. But he also has like a bombasticness to him. And you know, he yells at the press conferences. Sure. And you don't

really get much of a chance to ever hear like thoughts or like sort of his personality be expressed. And I found it really interesting to see six to eight hours of him in a deposition. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. So does he I mean, I obviously he's not a wrestler anymore. Yes, he is. He is still. Yep. Okay. How do you keep kayfabe in a deposition? That is that? Well, actually, that's an interesting question, because I think he might a little bit. Oh, shit. More than some. Yeah, he talks about how he has a bunch like scars on his head and stuff. Oh, chair shots. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I you know what that that's something interesting to keep track of is a little bit of protecting the business. I would be interested. Like I imagine the big show in a deposition is a

different story. I mean, Paul White. Yeah. Oh, wait, is he the mayor of something now? No, that's yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. He's a maga. He's the demon's favorite patriot. Yes, the devil's favorite patriot. Yeah. So yeah, actually, I think that there is maybe more of a sticking to his guns than a lot of other people. So that kayfabe idea is actually I'm sitting with it and we'll see what happens. So before we get into that dough, Jordan, let's take a little moment here to say hello to some new ones. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, very high place dental associate. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, the Midnight Sodomite. What sent that bucket of poop? Thank you so much. You are now a policy

wonk. I'm a policy. Thank you very much. I always love a tick reference. Sure. Always. Next, Michael, the Scott Truesdale. You got a wonk status. So don't be an asshole, Steve. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. A lot of names in there. That is a confusing syntax. Yeah, I'm confused. Next, Andy in Boston. You're on the air. Thank you. Thanks for holding. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next, Bobby, aka the other Shane. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you. And Tars the voyeur and cook deploy here. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we had a couple of technocrats here, Jordan. So first,

Yaze saliva soaked Balaclava resting beside Owens puddles of tears boiling beside a fake campfire. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. And oops, all plants. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow, actually. I'm just going to take a little break. You know, a little break for me. And then we're going to come back. And I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I got to be taken out of here. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll

walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow. He's not. Oh, no. And we'll talk about that on Friday. Of course. But for now, Alex getting a very little play in this deposition. Good call. So that's that's kind of fun. We just get to hear about the Kraken and his business. But here's not a context drop. But I think sums up some of this stuff pretty well. And so the only basis for your knowledge that was your common sense and the TV shows you've watched. If there's anything else, tell me. No, I think we've done with this. Yeah.

All right. All right. I like that. Yeah, you came up with an idea. The only thing you had to back it up was common sense and TV shows. Yeah, we're done. No, I think we're done with this. I think I've given you everything I have to give you. Yeah. It's a simple way of describing that. So Badandi, his deposition begins like all the deposition. You have to swear in the witness and have you. Yes. But it does not go down the same way all of the other ones do. I'm amazed that before we start, if you're saying that the swear in the witness part has a clip, this is going to be interesting. Yes. Here you go. With the court reporter, please swear in the witness. Mr. Badandi, could you please raise your right hand? For the record, I'm a follower of Jesus

Christ. I don't take sworn oaths, but my yes will be yes and my no will be no, as instructed to us in the book of Matthew. Okay. All right. Well, you're free. If you choose not to take an oath, you do need to affirm in some manner that the testimony that you're going to be giving today will be truthful. Absolutely. And so you can either swear and if you choose not to, you can affirm the testimony that you're going to give today will be truthful. I affirm my yes will be yes and my no will be no. My words will be truthful. This is interesting to me because all of them, they have religious inclination and whatever. Sure. And Badandi's, I think the only person I've heard who's like, I don't swear on things is against my religion to swear oaths.

Yeah. Is there a new type of sovereign citizen that believes they already live in heaven? Like that kind of like a heavenly citizen, like something along those lines? We talked about one of them. Oh, well, that's true. Like 20 episodes ago or something. Right. But I mean the guy who is the DMV of heaven. That's true. That's true. Yes. That is a sovereign citizen of the citizen of heaven. I wonder what Badandi's imaginary friend will judge him in the courts of heaven. Well, he's got to get a good lawyer first. It's not going to be Norm. No, but Norm is here. He is an observer. He's not representing Badandi. Right. There's another. I don't think Badandi may not have a lawyer because I think that there are just people observing and like

making objections and stuff. Okay. On behalf of like info wars and right, right, right. And so Norm is there for Alex. I think so. Yeah. And then in terms of like free speech systems, there's a guy who is like the lawyer, one of Mark Rondaza's associates who is there, who's the voice you'll hear objecting. I think he, yeah, I think he's representing free speech systems. Okay. Maybe partially. Badandi is not really that important. So in terms of coming to info wars and coming down this path, Badandi was drawn to Alex for some great reasons. Totally good reasons. Okay. Would it be fair to say that as part of your your views as a independent constitutionalist include a high level of distrust for the media? Is that fair? The main

shoemate on both sides. Absolutely. Right and left. Both of them lied to the teeth and what we have the ability is to and credit to Alex Jones and informers.com. What we have the ability is to see through the lies and slice through the lies and show the public what really is going on. And that's why we're the we're all the most hated networks in the, you know, the mainstream, you know, and that's what people love. That's why we got millions of followers and everything else because people want the truth. It's on and most of the time it's hard. It sucks. It stinks. But you know, we can't sugarcoat things. We need to tell people the exact truth of the way things are. And that's the way I mean, I'm not speaking for Alex Jones or anything. I'm speaking for

myself. That's where I conduct journalism. If I see something wrong, I've gone after Democrats and Republicans. I've I've confronted Obama. I've confronted who was several, you know, question was what is your name like governors and both parties, you know, I mean, congressmen, all that sort. You know, I mean, so I and Michael Bloomberg, many other people like them. And so I I'm not a party. I don't I'm not a party bias, so to speak. You know, I mean, if somebody's telling the lie, I'm going to come after them playing simple politically, you know, and I do my best to ask questions and, you know, they answer them, they don't, you know, whatever the case.

And is to Alex Jones, your view that he was telling the truth where the other mainstream media outlets would not? Absolutely. Now, the thing is that he was just asking questions, and they don't like that. Yeah, I don't like it. They don't like it. And he asks questions. Um, yeah, you you might have hit a little bit of an important point in this that is that he does not end sentences. They do. He talks. He is a talker likes does he's got things to say. One of the reasons this is so fucking long, these depositions is he keeps answering questions that weren't asked. It just goes on and on and on. I, I, I, Mettie's, Mettie's beautiful. Okay. And let me try and ask this again. I do. I do appreciate that because I do think that there

is some sincerity in Badandi's part of like he thinks that like this is hard and it sucks. Sure. Tell the truth. It's delusional, but I think that it does. There is a part of me that believes that he believes it. I, I, I was thinking the same thing. I was thinking we're dealing with a believer and that we is so sad knowing what we know now when he says we in regards to him and info wars. Yeah. Yeah. There is a sort of thread that runs throughout this that I really do get the feeling that he doesn't understand how little Alex cares about him, uh, how much they wish they could just blame all this on him and let it be the fall guy. Yeah. It's, uh, it is, it is a little bit, uh, of a bummer on that level because he does seem to think like we're all best friends. No, I

know. No, I mean, describing him as an attack dog is, is to, to remind yourself of like the attack part, but that dog goes home to its master and is like, Oh, yeah, I love you. You're my favorite guy. You're the best. You make me happy all the time. Man's best friend. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And banjino does not have a best friend Alex, but Dondie. Yeah, my bad. Too, too many fun, be names, fun, be names, um, and both dance. Absolutely. Uh, giving dads a dance. Yeah. Well, dad's probably, I don't know, but he has a kid. Oh, no, but I don't know if banjino does. I don't know his life. Anyway, um, you know, there's some training at info wars apparently not much, but a little bit of training. Well, we got training there for us. Excuse the language,

operation, cover your ass. Okay. Basically, when you make an accusation or statement, the way to article or would report, you put the proof where it comes from. And then the people get to decide from there. And now if the source is wrong, just say, in other words, example, ABC said the sky is purple, right? We reported that ABC said the sky is purple. Now people say, no, it's not, it's blue. We're not the ones are wrong. We just recited information. You know what I mean? Now Jones gets bashed all the time for the gay frog thing because of the atrazine and the roundup. That's on record. That was from Berkeley University. We printed that out for him. And all you did was cite from information from Berkeley medical.

And then all of a sudden now he's getting cast eyes as a gay frog man. You know what I mean? That's the stuff we're talking about because when you put off the truth that right from the sources, they don't want to hear that. So this is something that comes up a couple times. This operation cover your ass, which I guess is their way of saying use sources for claims. Do due diligence or or just like report factual information? Yeah, it's apparently Rob do's way of like sort of sexying up. Elemental elementary aspect of journalism is another way of saying this. Don't make things up. D. Y. J. Yeah. It's kind of cute. If it wasn't info wars, I guess it would be kind of cute. Yeah. If it wasn't one of the more evil organizations,

we need to be able to blame this on somebody else. You can say whatever you want as long as you have a link. I mean, and spoiler alert, they almost never have sources. If you're like, if you're like a middle management employee and you hate your job and the people you work for, cover your ass is fine. But an institutional business with the the policy of cover your ass is not a good business. Mm hmm. Make it someone else's fault. Yeah. Get out clean. Yeah. Well, actually that's the oil business. So, uh, but Dondie is a man who is known to use confrontation in his journalism in the past. And this is some of the predates his time at info wars. He was doing that before he met Alex. And actually he knew info warriors before he knew Alex.

The the idea of confrontation journalism was one that you yourself use as well, correct? Yes, and it's not confrontation as physical. It's a confrontation is like putting on a spot where like, like questions and answers at a forum somewhere on public. He asked a person the about the allegations against them. And what do they answer the question? Not that's not the point. But that's why, you know, he's going up to asking real questions that no other journals would ask. You know what I mean? And I was doing the same thing my own on here on Rhode Island. Those were using that type of tactic before you even went to work for enforce. Yeah, before I even knew Alex Jones, I was doing the same thing. You know what I mean? And

when did you first hear about Alex Jones? Oh, uh, when I first started radio, I somebody kept I kept getting like going on the news and all that, getting some reports from alternative media. And I came upon Info Wars and then I actually was a friend of Aaron Dykes from Info Wars. And so I got to know who Info Wars was more. I started watching Alex Jones shows and not granted. I couldn't watch it every day. And I mean, when I could. So yeah, he knew Aaron Dykes is a producer and writer for Info Wars who is now left and does not like Alex. Right. Right. Right. Him and his now wife, Melissa Melton, both worked at Info Wars and they were mixed up in the Don Salazar. We talked about them in that episode of the deposition

because they were both sort of tertiaryly involved in his reporting on Sandy Hook stuff. Did they have a workplace romance? I imagine they did. I don't know the exact path through. Like, I don't know if they came into Info Wars already a couple or whatever, but I only know that they're married because of the last episode that when they came up with our deposition. I'm just saying that we have the bones of an incredible romantic comedy. All right. Or two propagandists. She's trying to have it all. No, no, no. What? We have the makings of the next office. We got Jim. Oh, that's not bad. That's not bad. Right there. A will they won't they for a while. And then it's a will they won't they deny that Sandy Hook. Right. Rob Dew is Dwight.

Alex is Michael Scott. Oh, no. Yeah. Well, I mean, obviously Alex is the Scott. Steve is Creed. Oh, boy. Let's see who else. Who else could we work in from the cast? I don't know the office that well. So I'm already out on my on my cast of characters. My bench is low. Trying to think if anyone there is actually responsible at Info Wars is like trying to do a good job. Oh, that's a good question. No, I mean, after the after the election board, I'm going to have to give Owen is at least trying something. Owen can also be Dwight. Yeah. Anyway, agreed. The Dan Baddadi loves the Constitution. This is important to him. He loves the founding fathers. I don't believe he loves him and he's right. I don't think he understands that's right

all about it. Okay. And so would you say beginning in about 2009 that Alex Jones came to be a pretty influential voice in your own thinking? Not just him in general. I mean, like I always been a critical thing like that challenging things. And it's mainly when that the TSA started running naked body skin is I do right about that time. That's when I really started, you know, becoming a, you know, good like into Info Wars when I had held my own TSA protests here in Rhode Island and you know, things like that. No, they should it was inspiring that like anything is which goes back to history, learn who the founding fathers were in person. You know, I mean, and Thomas Payne, I'm looking like Thomas Payne was me back then. You know, I mean,

he was doing what I'm doing today, but of course, digitally, you know, I mean, and same thing with Alex Jones. And I'm seeing you could pick people like this, like these people are revolutionaries that stand up against overwhelming odds and tyranny. And you know, I mean, we were cast, they were cast size back then, all the final fathers, they were cast sizes, nutballs back then, conspiracy theorists, you know, all the insurrectionists, everything, you know, I mean, and they paved the way for this country. And they clearly tons and tons of quotes, it says, and it's our job and our duty to keep that liberty going and secure of liberty is eternal vigilance, as Thomas Jackson says. According to Monticello, this is not a quote that appears in any written or spoken history

from Thomas Jefferson. No, come on. The most likely origin of this quote is an Irish poet and lawyer named John Philpot Curran, who said, quote, the condition upon which God has given liberty to man is eternal vigilance, which condition if he break servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt. Oh, those Irish. This was in the early 1800s, after which point many speakers began using the quote and making this abbreviated much more pithy version. Yeah, it was first attributed to Jefferson in 1834, which is after it would have been popular already. What a weird country. Like we have as a as a as a country, we have a habit towards myth making that isn't quite as what we consider the the myths of like, what did Rome

tell itself? Rome didn't tell itself, you know, like it's not like Zeus just had some weird quotes that the Greeks would ban. Although, I mean, maybe maybe they gave Julius Caesar all of the quotes, like all of the good over a Virgil. They were just like, Ah, Julius said him, who cares? It's possible. It is possible. But yeah, it is a kind of soft version of mythologizing. Yeah. And it's one of the reasons that I kind of bring this up constantly, like whenever they deploy some of these spurious quotes is that like on a certain level, they live in a fantasy of their own history and the myth of the sort of wistful patriotism, heroic patriotism. Yeah. And it's it's a dangerous myth when it's taken

to the lengths that people like info wars. Yeah, of course, there's there's maybe a benign version of it where like you're not super connected to it and it doesn't make you scream that all shootings are false. Maybe there's a benign version of that. That ain't this. No, no, no, no, no, no. I don't know if I don't know if anybody's like, Oh, man, Abraham Lincoln, this dude delivered the most male in a month. Isn't that crazy? He was at the all time record holder for most male delivered in a month. Crazy. And he had this great quote, snoochy butchies. Yeah. So Benandi was silent Abe. Yeah, he was. Benandi was drawn to Alex, at least in part because of 9 11 conspiracy theories that he had. Right. Right. Right. Now I'm going to say in advance,

a slur comes out great in this clip, which is early in the deposition. And I found it shocking. One of the other stories that attracted you to Alex Jones was his claims about 9 11. Correct. Yes. Okay. And the substance of that claim, in essence, was that the United States government perpetrated the 9 11 attack. Correct. Yes. And before I even listen to him, I have my own questions because I'm very knowledge in the aviation world. And it is utterly ridiculous to believe that, uh, excuse my French, but a towel head with minimal flight training to fly a 747 of 757 sorry, into the towers like that in perfect precision, especially the Pentagon 50 feet over the ground that violates so many laws of physics and everything else. And I that's what the questions

I based off. Now I'm listening to Alex Jones coming up the same dairies. And I'm like, wow, so a pretty weird, uh, move to the pardon my language slur. Yeah. That was you're aware that what you're about to say is deeply inappropriate. Why would you say pardon my language if you're about to say that? I feel like if you recognize that this is inappropriate, you could just say people. You're in a deposition. This is a deposition. You know, by saying pardon my language, you're not supposed to say it at the very least here anywhere, but definitely not here. But definitely not here. It's, um, just can't not, but these are, these are like these little kernels of like this, the character of this person. And that's a weird, that is a weird person. Yeah.

Yep. Yep. Yep. So, um, you know, I think at a certain point, but Dondi kind of realizes that if he's answering questions, he sounds dumb, um, because the answers aren't good for the questions that are given. And so he'd rather not be asked questions. So early on, he's, he's gone a little bit too far. So he recognizes that. And now he's basically just going to try and stop the deposition. Well, at least focus it like really finely, uh, centered on Sandy hook. Okay. Okay. It doesn't like the, this idea that questions are coming up about nine, 11, right? Uh, Colorado, the Aurora shooting and stuff. Right. Right. Right. Um, and I mean, it doesn't work, but it is maybe a sign of some kind of, uh, instinct that is maybe better than

a lot of the other people we've seen in these rooms. Well, can I ask a question here first? Before you go any further, um, we're here for the Sandy hook thing. Why are we dabbling into things that that's going to build up irrelevant cases for this whole operation? Cause I see what's going on here. I see the pad. Okay. I see exactly what's going on to build up a case to make algorithms look like a nut wall, make me look like a conspiracy there. So when we get to the Sandy hook stuff, we're going to look like complete morons. Okay. So like, you know, all the stuff we just talked about, all of it, it's irrelevant to this case of Sandy hook. So why don't we just get to the meat and potatoes, save everybody some time here.

Cause none of this is totally irrelevant at all to the Sandy hook. Yeah. Um, Mr. Rodani, I appreciate, I appreciate your view on that. Um, I have a different view. There are reasons that I'm asking these questions. I certainly don't want to waste anybody's time. Um, so I'm going to continue to ask them and you're obligated to answer them truthfully. Um, as impatient as you may get with them. Um, so No, it's not a personal attack on you, sir. It's just, um, you know, the, to the point, you know, I mean, cause a lot, well, this is irrelevant where I worked as irrelevant to Sandy hook, where I went to schools are relevant to Sandy hook, where, where I broadcast the radio

stations are relevant to Sandy hook. I mean, I understand that that's your view, sir. Um, you know, I have a job to do here. And I guess what I would say to you is that I'm going to do my job as long as it takes. Um, and if that means coming back in another day to ask you questions that you think are relevant, that's what's going to be required. Um, so why don't we just go ahead and continue and we'll be as efficient as we can. Okay. Sure. Not, uh, not as much staying power to that gusto as you might think there would be spectacular handling by Chris there. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that, but no, I, I, you know what, you are making some very good points that I can completely disregard. This is a law. I don't know how to explain laws to you, but yeah,

you have a point and I disagree with that point. I think the opposite and, uh, I'm right because we're in a deposition. One of us can compel you to do things by law. So it's me. So, but that instinct is good that because it's, it's kind of like a boy, you hope it's going to work. Yeah. Cause if I can, I know that I'm coming in here to answer questions conceivably about sandy hook stuff. Maybe I've thought about it a little bit in advance. Right. I don't want to answer these questions. I didn't think about in advance. If I can just point that out, be like, this is about sandy hook. Maybe the lawyer will just go along with me. Right. Right. Right. It's, um, it's sad how again, much like thinking Alex is his friend, uh, how unrealistic this is, but the hope is there

and I appreciate that. It's interesting that he's, you know, like the way that, uh, uh, Owen or, or the like went into these depositions was almost like a naive animal, you know, like a dodo bird. Like they had no idea that the predator was, was right there in front of them. And but Dondie has this, like, it seems like he came up and touched the predator on the nose and it was like, no, no, no, no, I get this. I get what's happening here. I gotta back off. And unfortunately, yeah, unfortunately he is in the trap. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Too late. Too late, buddy. So Maddie asks about, uh, what is the, the journalist's job? And then Dondie has, uh, like a really weird take. Okay. As a, as a journalist, would you, would you agree with me

that part of the journalist's job, as you understood it, was to ask questions, but then after asking those questions to convey the truth of the matter to your audience, correct? Yes. Okay. Um, in other words, the point of asking the questions is so that you can accurately inform your audience, correct? Yes. And if there's unanswered questions, obviously we can't be like, you know, we asked the questions, they didn't answer them. I mean, I mean, that, to me, that's guilt. That's my personal opinion, but, uh, however, you know what I mean? Like, uh, just asking questions, uh, seems to be, uh, active terrorism these days. So he has a perspective that people not answering questions is a sign of their guilt and he is not answering questions in

this deposition. He said that immediately after saying, I don't want to answer these questions. Right. It's a little bit dissonant. Um, and I mean, even just like taking away the sort of hypocrisy there or whatever, it's a really fucked up view for someone who is in media or in, uh, in broadcasting and information dispensing. If you believe that someone not answering a question is indicative of their guilt, you cannot possibly ascertain what's going on. You can't watch news. You can't watch a press conference and get the point of things. Right. It's, it's bad. You're, you're playing like football with a broken leg. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime somebody's like, uh, no comment, you're like, Oh, they definitely killed that guy. Oh,

that's a murder. Oh, he said no comment. Yeah. It's very strange. Yeah. That's not good. So, uh, but Dondi does not get his wish. Um, and questions are asked about other things, of course. And so the underwear bomber comes up and, uh, but Dondi did a little bit of work on this. Uh, he doesn't want to answer questions about it, but then he does. Sure. Uh, he doesn't want to. Then he does. Yeah. So let me, let me ask this. Do you recall whether Mr. Jones claimed that the, you know, bomber, I'm sorry, the underwear bomber, uh, was a federal government operation. Do you recall whether or not he claimed that? What does this have to do with Sandy Hook? Do you recall whether or not he claimed that? I'm not going to answer no more irrelevant questions.

I refuse to. This is totally outrageous. And now you can call me back a million times. I'll keep coming back. The none of this has nothing to do with this. Okay. This is nothing but a setup to make him look like a coupe, make me look like a goat. Get to the answers about Sandy Hook. The underwear bomber had nothing to do with what happened in Newtown, Connecticut. Let's, let's put it that way. And no, I'll answer your questions if you want to. But the thing is, they're irrelevant, but if you want me to, I'll answer those questions. Okay. What he questioned the underwear bomber because the facts came out by the people who were on the plane. Okay. It has on record a lawyer, attorney Kurt Haskell said the state department escort hid around security

to get on that flight, even though he was denied by the airline, the board, the plane. That's the questions that Alex Jones was asking. Why, why did they do that? Why? So after the attempted Christmas Day bombing in 2009, Kurt Haskell went public with some claims that he saw a well-dressed man helping Abdul Matalib get, uh, get sorted out to get boarded onto flight 235 from Amsterdam to Detroit. Haskell claims that this person was trying to help Abdul Matalib get on the plane without a passport, but this was happening in an area of the airport where you should have already been passport screened and there's no one else who really corroborates this story at all. Yeah. And even like accepting all of it, he didn't claim that this was the state department.

Right. That's, uh, interpretation that Badandi's making. Yeah. Abdul Matalib's past in terms of radicalization towards terrorism is pretty clearly well established and he pled guilty in a fairly aggro and non-repentant way. And none of Haskell's claims went much further than, uh, a guy saying something. He was interviewed by outlets ranging from NPR to info wars and no greater information ever came out. And then in 2012, Haskell decided to run for Congress in Michigan and he really didn't want to talk about that stuff. Quote, I consider it part of my personal life and not part of my campaign. I don't think it's relevant. Sounds like he's guilty. It's debatable whether it's relevant or not. One could suggest that Haskell's actions speak to a lack of judgment

and the consequences of that ripple to this day and are used by people like Dan Badandi to justify their other conspiracy bullshit activities. In that kind of light, maybe Haskell doesn't display leadership qualities that, uh, would justify him being in Congress. And then there's a little bit of weirdness that comes out in his interview with NPR when he's asked if it's possible that he got people confused. And if it's possible that the person he saw with the well-dressed man was someone else, he says it's not possible. The cause for concern was that he said that the well-dressed man referred to the person with him as Sudanese, whereas Abdul Matalib is Nigerian. Haskell explained, quote, there were very few black men or black people on the, uh, this, uh, flight and he's a

rather different looking person. So it was pretty obvious to me. I wonder what he means by different looking because Abdul Matalib is pretty normal looking as far as I can tell. Sure. The things Haskell was saying immediately after the attempted attack were really interesting, hence the little bit of news coverage and outlets like NPR, but none of this is substantiated and none of it proves anything. But for someone like Badandi and an outlet like Infowars, one person saying something that they can use is the equivalent of a smoking gun that closes the case. They're not very rigorous, is what I'm saying. Yeah. And Badandi here even a decade later is still like citing this one thing, this one guy said as like proof positive that, you know, this underwear bombing was fake in order

to sell the naked body scanners. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to have to say, uh, we all know what different looking means in this context and, uh, yeah. I don't know of any other history that he had that would corroborate this, you know, like another data point with Haskell, but like that comment is a little weird. Yeah. It seems a little racist. It's noticeable. It is of note. Perhaps one should put it in a permanent record of some sort. And you should have to answer questions about it if he runs for Congress. It's on my mind. Yeah. So one thing that I noticed for sure throughout this deposition is that Dan Badandi is, um, he's like one of those fire logs that has its own accelerant. Okay. He speeds himself up. Yeah. There is, he does not need help getting

going and just ramping. He goes from like answering a question to a rant, like unprompted quite a few times. And so here's one example of that. He's just winding himself up. Okay. These are the questions we're bringing up and these are the valid questions. And I don't care what the courts have to say. I'm not involved with this. Okay. I'll speak my mind when I want and how I want. And that's the way it's going to go. And I'm not going to be shot up by no court, by nobody else. I stand for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and my law and savior Jesus Christ is not a damn thing. The judge is over the air or anybody else is going to do about it. I'll speak my mind to my death. You know what I mean? And this is the way it's going to go.

You know what I mean? We're asking questions. We're out there trying to save this, this country for which left of it. And people like this in the media, slime balls, they want to take, they want to stay for free speech. They want to attack gun rights, the very fundamental rights of this nation. You know what I mean? And we're sick of it. We're standing up against us. Then it doesn't matter what the courts say. I'm going to speak out. I don't care if I got a gag one. I'm going to speak out and speak out and speak out to somebody puts a bullet in my head, or the law takes me home bottom line. You know what I mean? So the whole thing with Alex Jones didn't draw me to any of this stuff. I have already come to my conclusion about everything you're going to

ask me. It wasn't Alex Jones inspiration. Okay. I was inspired to him because he was a man of integrity. That man, we had balls of steel that would go up to anybody and question them with other reporters. I was at the Boston Marathon for example, right? Hundreds of reporters in the room, nobody's asking the tough answers. I'm the one that's in the tough questions. And all of a sudden I'm being labeled all over the media as a conspiracy. That's me and Alex Jones. Yeah, when it was, I don't reckon these things were happening that we asked. Sir, I asked if you were a large. Okay. So if that makes us some bad guys, a conspiracy lunatics, then hey, I stand guilty. It's Rodani. I haven't said anything to suggest that I think you're a bad guy. No, no, it's not

no, no, no. Please let me know. It's not personal attack against you. And I don't think that with you sir. He reminds me a little bit also of me like on the phone with Xfinity. Listen up. Okay. I'm fucking sick of this internet going down. This is the fourth time this week. I've called you. I'm so sorry. This is not about you. You're just doing your job. I'm so sorry. It has to make this difficult. I understand. I'm so confident and furious about how bad Xfinity is. And then I realize I've talked to a person. Oh man. I'm sorry. I know. Listen, I'm sure you deal with this exact same abuse all day. I apologize. I don't want to contribute to it. That's on me. Yeah. Yeah. There's a little bit of that, that turning around that instant recognition of like,

hey, look, I'm not trying to be addicted to you. This is, this is unwarranted. We're people. We're people. I'm just mad about the Constitution being attacked. That's not you in this deposition. But then again, conceivably, he should have disrespect for Maddie because Maddie is the lawyer who's representing right the thing that's supposed to be destroying the first and second amendments. I mean, he started with saying I literally don't care about the law. So that is true. I will not shut up. He reminds me of Bailey blaze fit again from from there's a Godspeed you black emperor song BBF three and it's him reading one of his poems and telling the story about how he got a parking ticket and he's the story winds up with him just being like, listen, judge, I am not going to stop

speaking in your courtroom. I am a person and I can do what I want just because you wear black robes and can send people up the river for 20 years means it and it's so good. It's so good. And then the end of the song is I'm so sorry. But yeah, listen, judge, it's not you. You're the one who wears the robe and I get it. It's just a gig. So before coming to info wars, like we've already touched on, but Dondie knew Aaron Dykes and it turns out he knew him through an interesting way. During that time that you were an audience member of Mr. Joneses, did you ever reach out to him or anybody at info wars for any reason? Yeah, I mean, I already knew Aaron Dykes from we are change because I belong to a organization called we are change and I don't

know if he was a member or not, but I knew him. He actually seen a lot of my videos and all that and made comments here and there. So yeah, they knew each other through we are change, which is the organization. There was a 9 11 true thing that pivoted into Ron Paul campaigning and was run by Luke Radowski, who is now Tim Poole's co-host great on this dumb show. I'm sick. I'm sick to my stomach of these people. Yeah. Well, there's a lot of ambitious shitheads. Yeah. Yeah. This again, we get back to my least favorite thing, the naming of organizations. We are change. We are change sounds so innocuous and then it is a little bit bland and aspirational. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It could be it could be like any kind of old thing like, Oh, we need to save dolphins or something.

But no, it's also we need to bring fascism into America. It's unfortunate. Yeah. And I believe that they got a little bit of traction to during like the Occupy Wall Street stuff. I think they have attached themselves a bit to that. Right. We are change sounds like an organization that yeah, you know, I was like, Hey, you know, I'm into change. I like change. We're here for change. We're occupying the place that stops change. Oh, no, it's a Ron Paul front. God damn it. Fuck again. So there's a non disclosure agreement. The Badandi has signed. Sure. But it's unclear about exactly what that covers. And so the question comes up like, what was your job when you got a job offer? And how much was the job offer for? And he doesn't know if he can answer it. So there's a little

bit of back and forth between him and the lawyer, a wall man as the lawyer who's representing info wars on Badandi's side. Right. Ish. And so there's no one really knows. I okay. This is a just a clean sweep of inability to just tell me what your job is. I understand that he has a different reason than other people's reasons, but everybody can't just tell you what their job is. Well, I think, I think, you know, as we get further through this, you'll get a better sense of what Badandi does. Why? I think he tells probably more information about the like just sticks and stones of what his job is. Of course. But there is a little bit of difficulty out of the gate. So I did ask you what the offer was and you indicated that you weren't sure whether

you can answer that question. Is that a question that you're willing to answer? Yeah, I'm sorry. Let me clarify the question. Is it the offer of the amount of the salary? I'm asking you for the amount of the salary, the position that they were hiring you for, and any other benefits they may have offered to you at that time? Six figures. Watch, I will tell you this obviously because it's public. They hire me as a reporter and a producer. And that's public. And the salary, I don't know if I'm allowed to disclose. I mean, if the attorney agrees with that, I'll disclose it. But other than that, because it's the non-disclosure agreement, I don't want to violate that. Mr. Badandi, if you're comfortable disclosing your salary,

you're welcome to do so. Okay. So that's on record. I started off the salary of 45,000 a year and plus bonuses whenever I would get a good story or something. So we know that some of these other folks like Daria and Owen have substantially higher salaries than that. But I also think that this was 2012. That's probably about the equivalent of Owen's salary now based on the size of InfoWars. I think that that's a shockingly high salary for Badandi in 2012 to be getting at InfoWars. I will say that one of the things that we haven't really kind of discussed because it's been glossed over for any number of million reasons, but this is yet another time where we've gotten the idea that you get a bonus for a particularly

juicy story. And we know that juicy story does not mean like, oh, it's true. Did your bullshit get traction? You get a bonus for making up things. Well, there's even other layers to it too. Like once Badandi isn't an employee and he's just a contractor or whatever, he's incentivized to come up with juicy stories just to get off. Totally. Totally. He's a freelancer at that point. Yeah. And so you're not going to get paid anything unless this story is good and has legs and we can work with. Yeah. And then Josh Owens in his piece in the New York Times and other interviews, he's talked about how if you went out to do a story and it wasn't what Alex wanted, you'd get in trouble. Yeah. You'd get yelled at by him. It was not the narrative that you were

supposed to deliver. Exactly. And so like there is a very clear, I mean like what you're talking about is like a financial and an emotional incentive system to like make things more salacious, make them more detached from the truth. Yeah. It's an almost abusive carrot and stick. It's almost a bad system. It's a terrible system. It almost seems like inevitable that it would come to what it's come to. It seems rife for corruption. Yeah. So we get back to the matter of training and Operation Cover Your Ass comes up again. Did you receive any training relating to your work as a journalist with Info Wars? I mean most of the stuff I could say I was doing my own, but I had additional training. I should say like advanced training of your equipment.

Yeah. So putting aside the equipment and like you know how to use the email system and everything else, did you receive any training, substantive training concerning how to conduct yourself as a journalist once you arrived at Free Speech Systems? Oh yeah. Well just simple, just Operation Cover Your Ass. I mean like if you got to report something, make sure you got documented facts so we don't get sued. That was a big thing. You know what I mean? And that was the term that they actually used, Operation Cover Your Ass? Yeah. It was Rob Do's term. Just make sure you know because... And is Rob Do the guy who explained Operation Cover Your Ass to you? Yes. Okay. And what did he explain that meant? That meant basically if you got to report something make sure you get

the source where it came from. The solid source where it came from. And this way again like I explained earlier if someone you know somebody said this, it's just like CBS News for example said the sky is pink and everybody says no it's blue. Well this is what CBS News is saying, not us. You know what I mean? So and we provide it if it's an article. Either way the video is one an article and with an article there was always the sources where people could click on right at the bottom. That's why a lot of media ignored because when we post something we had the sources like the documents, where from the federal government for example we had all the sources at the bottom and even in the video link description we always provided the sources so we can't come

back on us. This is where we're important. This is what's been you know so that was the main focus to make sure you didn't come up with some wild eye baseless conspiracy or whatever the case and with no proof behind it. Okay. That system did not work apparently because they came up with a lot of baseless conspiracy theories and they're they're they do not have sources on the bottom of all their articles. This is ridiculous. I was going to say I was like have you did, has he ever read one of the articles that his videos were in? Likely not. Yeah. I do love the moment though of like did you get any training? We could have been. Nope. Nope. Did I mention operation coverage? I was going to say because I'd like to talk more about that. I was told not to

get sued and yet here we are. The best laid plans. Oh if only. Yeah. So this training that he had beforehand. You're a little confused about that. And it turns out his uncle gave him some training but his uncle, I don't know about this. Sure. Sure. You mentioned earlier that you'd receive some journalism training from your uncle. Is that right? Yes. And what's your uncle's name? Bobby Cooper. Bobby. Cooper? Yeah. Cooper like see all. Make some barrels or like the hockey equipment. Yeah. Okay. And Mr. Cooper, is that your mother's brother? Yeah. I mean he's not official uncle. He's just been in the family a long time. One of those type deals. Okay. So we're from Boston. I don't know. I don't know how to explain this to you. Has he ever been employed as a journalist?

Yes. Oh, who did he work for? He worked for several news outlets and he was a PR guy from American Idol for a while. One of the PR guys. Great journalist. He was in Rhode Island? Yep. Whereabouts? Proudness. Okay. And you said he worked for several news outlets as a journalist? Yeah. And he was independent. Like he would reach out to like if there's something going on, people go to him saying they need this promoted. He would, with his PR sources, reach out to all the media outlets and say, hey, this event's going on. He has the information about it. You know what I mean? He sent out the press releases to all the media. That's not a journalist. No. So you got journalism training from his uncle who isn't his uncle and wasn't a journalist. Right. Right.

You got journalism training from a PR guy. Which? Who's not his uncle. Which? I mean, considering where he works, that is the training that you might want best. Yeah. I mean, like a publicist type person is basically just trying to get attention for things. It's a liar. And for wars is essentially just an intention aggregator. Yeah. So I mean, it is appropriate. It's just not journalism. It's not journalism. That is the issue. Yeah. It is not that he cannot do what he's asked. Yeah. And so his Badandi is not Uncle Babay. Yeah. We call him Coop. Yeah. The Coops. Yeah. He also ran the radio station that Badandi was on because all of these people. It's just nepotism everywhere. Am I correct that as far as

you know, he did not work for a media outlet that published information to the public? Yeah. Because he was running the radio station and we were a CBS affiliate. He works for your radio station? No, this was back when I first started radio. He was a station manager and he's the one that ran the station and we were a CBS affiliate. Okay. Okay. Hey, my uncle was a volunteer firefighter. He also works at three other jobs at a car wash. He does any number. Anyways, my uncle doesn't actually have a job. But he trained me in journalism. Yep. So when you're talking about how no one talks about what their job is, right? But Dondi is a little bit different. He actually has some details.

And I think these details actually reveal quite a bit about how things work and how the broadcast is made. You were a producer for a specific show. Is that right? Oh, yes, the Alex Jones show, the radio show. Okay. You were a producer on the Alex Jones show. Yep. And what did that entail? Just like basically when he's talking, what I would do is to get there early in the morning. I would print up all the articles from like every source imaginable and I would separate them into certain categories. And so basically US News, World News, I don't know, Second Amendment News, stuff like that. If that explains it, right? And what I would do is I'll put them on his desk. He'll go through the articles, decide what he wants to talk about. In the meantime,

while he's on the air, we'll have several computers going on and then with the tricaster and everything. So basically just say he says, there's a document out there. Let's just say H.R. 2977, Space and Preservation Act 2001 to back that up. My job was to back him up. So to show on the screen the sources where he's talking about, it's not just coming out of his butt. This is from document sources. So if he's talking about the Space and Preservation Act and people are like, oh, that's wacky. I pulled it up right from the doc of website, put it right on the screen as he's talking and scrolled through it. So to back him up and when he's talking about certain articles, yeah, he had the article there, but sometimes we pull it up on screen

and scroll through it as he's talking about it. General things like that. Basically, to be supportive for a show. We have a thousand things in the head at a time. He gets stumbled on something. In the microphone, I could tell him that was H.R. 2977. If he stumbled remembered, things like that. That nature and also producing, telling him when to go to break and that kind of nature. Yeah, that's really helpful. So when you were producing the Alex Jones show, would you be the guy in Alex's ear? One of them, yes. That's wild. Badandi is one of the people in his earpiece. I mean, that blows my mind. Right. But it does, I mean, it does sort of work towards some of the ideas that I have had about, like, you know, his obsession

with being teleprompter free is a little bit less impressive when you realize that he has producers who are just feeding him things through his earpiece. Yeah. Yeah. Like he has them telling him document numbers and documents and stuff like that. They give, it's like a magic trick where he has the appearance of knowing all of this stuff when he's conceivably getting told those things. It's really just a different skill, which is being able to speak and hear things at the same time, which is something you could do with practice much better than, or it's easier than learning. Right. No, I mean, he comes from the televangelism, or well, radio evangelism background. And I have no doubt that he's seen somebody call out,

is there a, is there a, a, a, a, Molliscar Barton here tonight and been like, I got what you're doing. Well, yeah. And, and Baddandy even says at one point, like if he gets stuck on something, you know, like there, there's like conceivably, you know, even topics and stuff like here is a thing. You know, like if you're running out of gas and you're like, it's, there is a lot of cheating that could go on based on the description that Baddandy gives of how the, the earpiece producing works. Oh yeah. And I wouldn't be surprised that there's a whole lot of that. But beyond that, Baddandy also just did some important fucking work while he was at Info Wars. You also were a reporter when you were down in

Austin. So in addition to your producing responsibilities, I take it you go out and create content, correct? Yeah. So we'll take, we'll take on the, the, the, you should say the stuff that's going on in the news. My mainly reporter was a man on the street. We just go question the public what they thought of certain topics that were in the media at the time, hot topics like, you know, gun control, abortion, things like that matter. And also question them on the, you know, quizzes, like if they knew, just for example, two of the, you know, amendments of the, you know, the Bill of Rights, you know, I mean, things like that matter in nature, who the vice president was, and we intermixed the questions like that. But just the point was to

get the public's opinion of what the topics in the media were going on instead of always getting officials' opinions. We're tired of hearing from the suits and the mainstream media. We wanted to Jaywalk and do Man on the Street bits, where we ask drunk people on the boardwalk silly questions and trap them and make them appear dumber than they are. Ha ha. Yeah, yeah. But relevant. But Dondi's interesting here because I think I genuinely want to know how he sees the world because it's weird. I don't know if you do. That's fair. I don't know. I feel like he sees things in. I don't know what is real in his world. Well, he apparently has a show that he does about spiritual warfare and demons and stuff. So, okay, well, that's real. I'm out. Okay. I'm out. Pass.

Yeah. Maybe I have a little more information than you do about why you don't actually want this. How is that possible? Is that the premise of the show? What? That you have more information. Oh, I thought you meant his demon show. No. Well, that should be our. So, at a certain point, Dondi got let go. Right. Sort of. He was still with Info Wars, but he was let go of his actual position. He didn't make it through the probationary period and ended up going back to Rhode Island. I did not know that.

He might have been fired, but maybe not. Okay. And at some point, did you relocate back to Rhode Island? Yes. When was that? Oh, man. Right around Thanksgiving time. So, November of 2012. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Let me rephrase that.

Yes. Right about Thanksgiving. Yep. Why did you move back to Rhode Island? Oh, there's a number of, I mean, like, it was a disagreement in the office. And at first, I was let go. Then they said, I'll keep you on as a correspondent. And it was just a bunch of misunderstandings, whatever the case. And there was no specific reason why they let me go. Meeting a bunch of other people, just, you know, it's like normal there. People just drop like flies, you know what I mean?

And it's the nature of the business, you know what I mean? And I understand it. And because being, being an entertainment business and also plus the media business, I mean, that's the way it goes. It's where the cookie crumbles, you know? So no, no harm, you know, no foul, whatever the case. He has a pretty chill attitude towards this. Yeah. It sounds like he got yelled at a bunch. And then whenever they were like, okay, man, we're going to get out of the

entertainment and stuff. Go away. Go away. Well, we got a lot of moving parts. Hey, listen, we will say that we're going to keep you on as a correspondent so long as you are several thousand miles away from us. And you give us juicy stories. Juicy stories. So there's some reasons that he got let go, apparently.

And one of them is a bit of a misunderstanding. It's really just, it's no big deal. Look, sometimes scheduling conflicts happen. Alex shot me in the foot. Not that severe. Emotionally, perhaps. Oh. Yeah. There was an Agenda 21 conference.

And that just means it was a sustainable development thing that they're calling Agenda 21. Agenda 21. And Badandi went, but he wasn't supposed to. Ooh. What's your understanding specifically as to why, in your words, you would let go? Well, it was a report that in Elgin, Texas, we go to, it was like a basically Agenda 21 thing. And it was a sustainability conference, a hearing for this town of Elgin, Texas. And they were getting ready to go in the morning.

And I decided who the crew is going to be off permission to go. And I was told yes. So I had to go out to the office to get my suit tailored. So I had no knowledge later that Alex Jones changed his mind. And I said, no. So I had decided to go with the crew. And as far as I know, I had permission. And I got back and Alex Jones was like, why'd you go?

He's like, chew me out. And I'm like, yeah, I went because you told me you could remember that in the morning I asked you. He goes, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I did. But I showed you. It's like, no, I left the office right away. He goes, oh, okay. I'm sorry.

And just a little misunderstanding like that. And things like that, which he got mad that I went because I don't know. It's just a bunch of things like that. You know what I mean? Little miscommunications and the communicate. I mean, I love him for his death. I love the people there. But the communication sucks.

Plain and simple with the communication level. But even though you're right next to the person. So it's a miscommunication. And the morning he told Baddandi to go. Baddandi had to go to his suit tailored. So he didn't realize that Alex didn't want him to go. After all, he comes back. Alex is like, what the fuck?

And then you're fired. Makes sense. It doesn't. It's definitely not a situation where there's more going on here. I can't think of anything else that might be involved in a situation. There's nothing more going on here. Well, I mean, is there more going on? Do you have anything to do with the you're reporting itself on that particular day?

No, I wasn't actually to report. I mean, I was one of the crew members. I didn't actually make the report. So his first complaint was just that you had gone? Yeah, because what happened was we all started asking questions at the questions time with the mayor and all that. So we asked some questions and it caused a lot of people an uprise because we told people this is not what you think it is.

This is agenda 21. And the people in Texas, you don't mess with that land. So when they finally realized what this was about, it was kind of an uproar. They were yelling and screaming to mayor. And yeah, we're not going to do this crap, this United Nations stuff yet. So one of the people running the conference called the police on us. And the police came and they asked us for an idea. I don't have an idea at the time.

And there was argue at the cop. There's no law state. You have to show ID. I'm not trying to be disrespectful. But anyway, it was a big discussion with the police and everything else. And so we got back to Alex. I was bad on you doing that. And I was like, yeah, you told me I could go.

And then that's where the miscommunication was from. And it's just a lot of miscommunications there because and his defense. So I mean, it's such a huge operation, such a huge operation. I'm guessing that Alex's problem wasn't his presence. It was that the police got involved in Alex's defense. I did start a riot. The cops were called. And then I got into a fight with the cops.

Right. It could have something to do with those parts of my story. But what good journalist wouldn't it? Absolutely. It's about communication. Exactly. That's where the real that's where the real breakdown was. So I don't know.

There's probably video of this somewhere. I couldn't find the actual video of Badandi at this event. But I did find video of just after he got thrown out of the event. And it turns out the story is a little bit different. Who would have guessed? So what happened was that he called some lady who was there, one of the people involved in the event. He called her a bitch.

And so she asked the police to remove him. Right. Go away. Yeah. And so then he got into a fight with police. OK. So now the story is not the heroic. I started a riot with my Texas buddies.

And we overtook the storm. It is instead, hey, you suck. And then they get kicked out. And then he gets into a fight with the cops. We verbally assaulted somebody. Right. And they weren't into it happening at their event. And so he was asked to leave.

And then he got to a fight with the cops. Go away. I don't even think she was on stage. She's just right there. OK. I don't even know if there was a stage. I don't even know if there was a stage. Well, he's in trouble.

OK. So yeah. So the story is now I went there. I didn't get much. And then I got thrown out. And then I got into a fight with the cops. Right. And where as if you understand the starting point was I look,

I didn't know that Alex said I shouldn't have gone. And does feel like his version is a different issue. Yeah. Then what maybe I would see is a firable offense somewhere along the line. I mean, if you're someone like Alex, like run-ins with the police are opportunities. Right.

They have to be handled pretty smoothly. Like Alex loves to get into like a little bit of a confrontation with a cop. He has some savvy. He knows how to maximize whatever you're going to get out of it. Not get into any trouble. Right.

Whereas someone like Baddandi is not. That is a liability. Him being around cops and especially getting into a confrontation with them, especially on being there under the auspices of the Info Wars organization. Like that's that only is negative. And if I were Alex, I'd be pretty pissed about it.

Oh, totally. No. If Alex does it, he's got the cloak of a little of fame. So they don't want to arrest him and cause a big thing. And then it'll be a mess. Whereas with Baddandi, it's like, man, we can take you away. Well, and Alex will have some kind of like inciting thing that is like at least defensible.

Right. Like, you know, he'll, I don't think the police got involved. But like when he went to the DMV and refused to give his fingerprint or whatever, there's like some kind of a principle you can stand on. Whereas Baddandi was just being a dick to this lady. I don't have to show you ID. And I can be a dick to that lady all I want.

Right. It's not, it doesn't have the same. Less defensible. Yeah. So were there any other reasons that Alex gave for letting you go? We've got several reasons already. Well, and we know from Alex's deposition that he let him go because he saw that Sandy Hook report and he said, this is no good.

100% the reason that he was let go. Shut it down. Baddandi is no good. We got to get him out of here. Yeah. Apparently not. Oh, other than the situation in Elgin, did Mr. Jones provide you with any other reason that he was inclined to let you go?

Not right on. Oh, yeah. I did a report using the main studio. You know, like a new show, whatever the case. And he knew about it, but he, I don't know. It's weird. He knew about it, but he didn't. And it was like, he said it was unauthorized.

I mean, that's a debate altogether. But he used these things as the reasons. And, you know, other than that, you know, I mean, but he did, you know, say we'll keep it a correspondent. So he didn't realize there was a lot of miscommunications himself. So yeah, so apparently Baddandi was using the studio for his own like show or whatever. And he had, he believes he had permission.

And then a little bit later, he did not have permission. No. And this became an issue. So these are the reasons that, you know, he's, he's let go. I can actually, this all his whole thing makes perfect sense in regards to info wars now, because clearly in his audition, he has proved himself to be an agent of true chaos. Yeah.

You know, while he's, while he's there, he's showing up doing a show with that. Look, dude, you want the crack in, but not in house. Not in house. So you send them back there and you're like, you can stay as a correspondent. We have a chaos agent and that could be useful. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna keep you at arm's length.

It's always a good idea to have a loose cannon. This all makes total sense. That's totally in terms of like piecing together various people's versions of what happened. Baddandi won a fucking contest and he ended up winning or second place because he interviewed Ron Paul. And so like, Oh, this is going to be good. So he gets in at info wars. He has a tryout period.

Right. He bombs it. Absolutely. He gets into a fight with a cop at a agenda 21 conference. What issue? He's using the studio for unauthorized reasons. So obviously you want to just let him go. Of course.

But, you know, he did do that interview with Ron Paul. There might be some use for him, but you don't want to fucking pay him a salary. Get him out of this office. No salary. Right. Keep you on a contingency basis or give you like a freelance kind of stuff. Maybe if it's worth it. But yeah, it makes total sense.

And then you want to associate more when he does stuff like goes to the Boston bombing. Of course. Press conference. The crackin. The people. We love him. Yeah. So you have him as like an employee, not employee after that, that period.

There's a way of covering your ass. One might say operation. Yeah. Yep. So that all makes sense. Yeah. But there's some this is some prime funny stuff. Alex didn't even have the balls to fire a pedante.

Listen to this. Mike down for this because if you listen to this, this sounds like some mob shit. It was Mr. Jones. Am I correct? You've had that direct conversation with you in which he was discussing the possibility of letting you go. No, he actually was weird because nobody's in the office. I'm like, where the hell everybody going? So Alex Jones comes through and he goes, hey, shake my hand because I want to appreciate.

I'm going to tell you, I appreciate everything you're doing for us. Walks away. Then Rob do comes over with a look on his face and I'm like right there. You know, something was wrong. And Rob do and Lydia, the secretary, I won't, you know, say come we got to talk to you. And both of them had tears in the eyes. Right away. I knew this is about and yeah, and it was a sad departure really was that's the

relayed the message from out. Alex himself never directly told me until I got on the phone when I left the place. And I think I wanted to demand to know exactly why. And I mean, then we had the discussion and I said, you cleared me to do this stuff. You forgot the stuff. You know what I mean? So he goes, well, you know what? We'll do this.

Okay. You need to go home with the family. Like I said earlier and be with your family because you said they don't want to move down here, whatever the case. So he said, we'll keep you on as a correspondent and I'm like, you know what? All right. All right. So like Alex gave him the kiss of death.

Wow. I want to thank you for everything you've done. They're walking right behind me. 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,520 You're my favorite guy in the world. I love you. We've got a long future together. You're just going to need to talk to them.

I'm going to get out of here. I want to go in a locked room. I there's one thing I so obvious that moment. That moment is so clear. What was going on and but Dondie seems to not be aware of how choreographed. I mean, yeah, it's a, I know it was you. He's Frito. He got ghosted pretty much.

Alex just, I mean, he's apparently pretty good at like preserving some image or whatever. Like I don't want to be Dondie mad at me. No, no, no, no, no. That's a wise move. I'm going to compliment him that you guys pretend to cry while you fire him. There's no way they cried. I love the Dondie's fake version of the world. They've known him for a couple months and at the time he was there.

Oh my God. You, when you got into the fight with the cops and really fucked with us, it's just, it makes me cry every time I think about it. And like, well, your claim to fame is you got an interview with Ron Paul. Like Ron Paul comes on Alex's show. That's not special. Yeah. We don't have much for you.

I think our collected depositions could be viewed as like a long form. Rashomon. It's an oral history. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, like everybody's got their own views on what happened and where and how. And none of it's real.

None of it. Well, here's the thing. Yeah. I think that Baddandi is the least cynical version of these stories. I agree. 100%. I believe that this is what happened, but his interpretation is nutty. I believe that in his mind, everyone is played by anthropomorphic animals.

When he goes around, Alex is a giant lion and he goes, ah, ah, and he roars all that. Rob Dew is a is a mere cat. I'm just doing Lion King again. Who's Pumba? Who is Pumba? I think Owen Troyer's got to be a Pumba. Yeah. Yeah.

Who is Mufasa? Who's Mufasa? Well, I mean, it's David Jones himself. Yeah. 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,000 He's the father of, well, I mean. Ryan Mufasa was a dentist. Yeah.

That's true. Yeah. In the live action one. Um, and Steve Pagenica's scar. No, I think you're scar in this metaphor. That makes you a hyena. Oh, this works. I'll be whoopie Goldberg.

She had a, she had a run. I'll take that. So the question really is on everyone's mind and that is, do you think that if you didn't need to move back to, uh, to Rhode Island, to be with your family? Yeah. Do you think that Alex would have kept you on as an employee? And this is sad. Matt, he's just being mean now.

Conclusion of your call with Mr. Jones that had your fiance been willing to move down to Texas, that he actually was convinced at that point to keep you on at InfoWars? Well, he said that was, um, because Alex always put family for us. So, I mean, uh, you know, that's, time is with Kelly and all that. And, uh, but he loved his family big time. And, uh, and that's what he said. You gotta, we gotta put family for us. And, uh, he goes, that's the main reason.

He said, this is the main reason, uh, that, uh, I have to like, go cause I can't keep you. You know, you got a one year old son, which he was right. You know what I mean? I got a one year old at home and be flying back and forth every other week or whatever. You know what I mean? It's not going to cut it for the support of family in that manner. You know?

So financially, yes, but not, uh, being a physical father. You know what I mean? Good on him for, you know, like, uh, stepping up to be a dad and all that. But this is ridiculous. The way, uh, like Alex is like, you gotta put your family first. I would love to keep you around, but family is important. I, I don't understand it. But Dondi just say that he was basically commuting from Rhode Island to work in Texas.

Yeah. Yeah. Basically. I think I, I'm honestly, I know it's not why Alex fired him, but he should view that as like a, a good, yeah. It's a small grace in some ways. Yeah. But, but Alex is just grasping at straws for ways to be a coward about firing people. Yeah. I know. Look, I'm, you know, it's for your kid. I'm firing you for your kid.

Hey, uh, contrary to popular belief, I am terrified of conflict. Yeah. I like conflict when it's performative. Yeah. I don't like it when it's, uh, uh, with the people I choose to be around who are unbalanced, maybe I'm scared of. You'll be able to get mad at me and then I'll get mad. And then God knows what could happen since we all carry guns all the fucking time. And then who knows? Maybe all a couple of years or now let a rap star deny the Holocaust on my show.

It's always there. Instead of confront them about it. Yep. So, uh, now we finally get to questions, uh, that surround Sandy Hook. And so Maddie asks where, uh, uh, Bedondi was when he heard about the shooting and it turns out, um, uh, not a, not a direct answer. Where were you when you learned that there had been a shooting at Sandy Hook? Um,

It was that again, it was December of 2012, right? Yeah. December 14th, 2012. Well, I was definitely back here in Rhode Island, uh, and I heard about the shooting. Uh, it was funny because, uh, a week before that happened, I was on my radio show and telling people that, um, that, you know, it's just like, I just had this feeling there was something going to happen like that. And, uh, I came right outside.

And then it's like, you get the feeling that there's a heavy push for the gun control. Is there going to be a school shoot by forbid? You know what I mean? And I remember that, um, you know, when it happened, I was on the show, uh, and I, people recalled that. It's like, would you predict this or something? It's like, not a predictor. It's just like, you had that feeling, you know what I mean?

That's something like this was going to happen, not saying the stage or anything, but, uh, and right away, again, before the kids bodies were called, I mean, they're already a call for gun control. I will, uh, I mean, I was crying on the air. I was like, I, I mean, yes, at the time I was like questioning how it happened, but, you know, I'm not saying it's fake enough. But the whole point is, uh, them exploiting the death of children, push, uh, gun control that's got hundreds of millions of people killed in the 1900s.

I mean, and, uh, that just set me off all together. Mr. Badani, I, um, um, I know that, uh, you had strong objections to, uh, the effort to pass gun control legislation after Sandy Hook. I know that, um, and I know that you had a, you know, you, you have expressed that on, on many occasions. Um, I want to though ask you about, do you remember as you sit here today where you were when you learned that the shooting had happened? I was at home, did they get up the news and, uh, and now, uh, just, uh, come over the news feed.

Oh, I couldn't just said that. Yep. Didn't have to do the whole thing. Two minutes of rambling about your feelings about gun control and what have you and I was at home. Yeah. I mean, like that's, it's a direct question. Yep.

And, uh, you know, Maddy has to re ask questions pretty, uh, pretty constantly. Yeah. Because of that. No, I, I feel like he trained with a elementary school guidance counselor or something or, you know, something along those lines of like, I, I also, I understand what you're saying. If Badani was funny, he would have said like, I was on air crying. I had tears in my eyes, like Rob do fire and somebody. That would have been nice.

Did he do any pieces in between when he was fired and when Sandy hook, when he started going out? I'm sure he did, but also like, I guessing when he says he was on air, he has his own shows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So he's, he's talking more, he was more doing his own stuff.

Right. But yeah, he does. He like, I mean, when, one of the episodes I did with Marty, uh, was Dan Badandi interviewing Val Venus. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And so like there are a bunch of like little things that he did here and there in just like the, it wasn't like he got fired, went back to Rhode Island and then pop back up just for the, uh, right, right. The how big, yeah. FOIA hearing. But yeah, I don't know. A lot of them were probably just very forgettable.

Yeah. That sounds true. Yeah. It is, it's just like, it is so weird to, to have him be let go, sent back to Rhode Island and then only a short period later become so central to their identity for a while. Well, here's the, here's the thing though. Yeah. Whatever he may have done as it relates to Sandy Hook, his relevance with, uh, the

info wars and of the coverage does relate to the Wolfgang how big FOIA hearings, which weren't immediate. Right. There was, uh, there was a bit of a lapse or a gap between the shooting, the aftermath to fall out, the conspiracies, and then how big showing up, uh, like 2014-ish. Gotcha. So like there is, there, there's a bit of, uh, a time between his firing and that. Gotcha.

Uh, but yeah, that would be wild if it was just like, it would be wild. Right. If they were like, we got, thank God we let you go to Rhode Island. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah, it was, it's not that immediate. Um, but, uh, Badandi is somebody who has a curious, uh, version of his own thoughts about Sandy Hook and whether it was fake or not.

Interesting. Um, he doesn't want to. Schrodinger's, yeah. Well, but if Schrodinger's cat has been revealed long ago, we're talking about it deep in the past, we have evidence that that cat was dead. Oh yeah. Yeah. No, you can still see it.

We got pictures. Yeah, but maybe not. And maybe it was all theory. That's a good point. Mr. Badandi, you said that nobody died at Sandy Hook, correct? No. You've never said that? No, I don't think.

You've never tweeted that? I mean, at first when I got involved with the stuff, my head was going a mile a minute and then to when Wolfgang Helbig got involved and he was a school safety inspector, whatever, he started raising questions and all that. And then what I did was, uh, I actually, I must have said something like that. And, um, but I recanted that and I actually issued an apology on Twitter, uh, made a video apologizing to the parents of Sandy Hook for my misunderstanding at that point.

But that's not, that's not true either, Mr. Badandi. What you apologized for was the fact that somebody had released the person, the identifying information of the parents. Not, you didn't apologize for any of you. You had previously expressed that no children had died there. Did you? Yes, that's what the apologies for. That in also, uh, what you just said, you know, I mean, but you agree with me

that you have stated that nobody died at Sandy Hook, correct? I never said it was a fact. I said this is there and I stressed that it was a theory of mine. It's not proven that I say it to go anyway. And then we got questions that need answering. So there's a sort of, uh, ball rolling downhill, uh, aspect of this where it's like, I didn't say that no one died. Right.

Yes, you did. Well, yeah, I did, but I recanted and I apologized. You didn't really apologize for that. Yes. Yes, I did. And also it was all just theories. All right. This is not up front.

This is, this is somebody who's not answering the question. And that to me is indicative of guilt. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, he's, he's, it's like a bad murder investigation. Like, did you kill that guy? Absolutely not.

I killed that. Yeah. I killed him a little bit. Sure. I killed that guy a little bit, but then I apologized to his parents. You didn't apologize to his parents. Well, I said, I was sorry that their shoes got wet. And I think that encompasses the me killing their kid thing.

And if I did, it was an accident. It was. And in reality, he killed me. Frankly, I don't even know if he ever existed. Right. So look, you're just asking questions. Yeah, of course. Dan's just asking questions.

This is a fact that no kids dying. I mean, I never said anything like that. I said, is the kids dying? Not in a question form of question. You know what I mean? Those were the statements I made. And because I don't know the things. I wasn't there.

I don't know what happened. OK. And what I know now is kids are dead. And again, it's all ever since then, a reign of terror of gun control across this country from the inside. You know what I mean? And as an American citizen, sports constitution,

this is only a disgrace to anybody involved that exploited these kids to push us. They deserve to be kicked the hell out of this country. Badandi, I'm going to show you what's been marked as exhibit number 28. Do you have a document on your screen in which you are tweeting is at Dan Badandi? Yep.

OK. And as I scroll down to the bottom, do you see where you replied, Sandy Hook, no one died? Yeah, look at the date though. What's the date, sir? July 2016. And on that date, am I correct that you stated that Sandy Hook, no one died, right?

Well, yeah, that's what it says, right? Right. And you didn't phrase it as a question, correct? Well, it's that way I didn't say I may die on that. And that was my questions. Sir, did you phrase that as a question? I spoke as a question, yes. I'm sorry?

Direction. Did you phrase it as a question? Yes, it's supposed to be a phrase as a question. Supposed to be. Oh. Oh. It's like the understood you at the beginning of a command. You know, it's like it's an invisible question.

Apparently, yes, statements are questions now. I mean, in his mind, I don't know if anything is certain, period. So maybe any statement is a question. But this to me is, I don't, it's a bridge too far. I really don't believe he could actually think this. This is this is being. This is obfuscating. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't want to be. Listen, I know why we're here. That's a fucking statement. It's not a question. Nope. It's ridiculous. Yep. Like Sandy Hook, no one died is not a question.

No, I guess that's the title of my movie. Okay. Sandy Hook colon, no one died. Here is the way that I guess you could argue it's a question. And I think this is a terrible argument that I don't agree with. And I think wouldn't hold up. But you could say that you're saying this to evoke questions in people's minds. You know, there's questions around this and I'm trying to make people think

or something like that. But even so, it's still grammatically a statement. Listen, people don't just ask questions. You need an instigator, someone to say something that is, I don't know, potentially, doable. I'm the guy telling you to get out of the cave, man. Come on. I know.

It's all shadow puppets. It's about starting the debate. You don't kick-starting things. You know, I'm the part of the chainsaw that goes, Yeah, yeah. But these are just, I mean, these are just questions. Yeah. It's all questions.

Everything is a question. It's all a question. So when you're, although I'm questioning that. You say up here, a false flag doesn't mean people don't really die. Many people die from false flags. Hence 9-11, right? Yes. You're saying that 9-11 was a false flag, but that people really died there,

right? Yes. Okay. And then the J, the person who you're interacting with says, you just said the shooter and victims in Orlando were actors. You can't keep your own story straight. And then you clarify. Sandy Hook, no one died.

9-11, over 3,000 people died, right? Oh, you know what? That was because of the FBI. The FBI reported that was unrecognized. They reported that there was no deaths, and they messed up on that point. I thought you just told me before that this was supposed to be a question. Yeah. Did anybody die on Sandy Hook?

That was the question. This is the question you're asking. Did anybody die at Sandy Hook? They died on Sandy Hook. Then bring up 9-11. Three people died. I'm sorry, 3,000 people died over 3,911. I'm sorry, Mr. Badani.

I just want to make sure I understand. Are you telling me that when you tweeted Sandy Hook, no one died? You were asking a question about whether people died? Or you were referring to an FBI report? No, I was just pulling a question out there. That's all. Okay. So this was just you throwing a question out there?

Yeah. Yeah, just throwing a question out there. Was that what I was supposed to take away from all the stuff he said? Yeah, I guess so. But even this is incoherent as an answer. Yeah. Because you have this statement where a bunch of people died at 9-11, no one died at Sandy Hook. Right.

And so you're just asking the question, did people die at Sandy Hook? Which is not how most people would read that statement. No. And then when that sort of doesn't sound like it makes a lot of sense, he brings up the FBI report that was from the Adon Salazar article on Infowars. And that is not something that is germane to ask in questions. That's asserting definitive authoritative evidence. You're saying you have proof for the thing that you said was true.

And it was just a question. No. Yeah, it's all convoluted. And it is because he just doesn't want to own up to the fact that he was doing this. I mean, hey, neither would you if you're in a deposition where somebody's being sued for a counterpoint. I would be fine with that because in Dan Badandi's shoes, he has nothing to lose. Oh, that's a good point.

He is not being sued. There is this bizarre sort of loyalty that is, I think, sincere on Badandi's part towards Alex. And I think that he's protecting Alex a little bit with his cagey-ness about these answers. Because there is just cut and dry evidence of what he did and what he said. And Badandi's asking like, oh, this is just questions and what have you. When there is really no cost to himself to just own up to, yes, I believed those things at the time. I was wrong.

It was very dumb. I put this out there and I regret it. And I've apologized for it. Yeah. The only real cost is to Alex because then it would be like, why did you believe these things while the coverage on Info Wars? You know, it goes that direction fairly easily. But yeah, if I were in Badandi's shoes, I mean, first of all, I wouldn't have done the

things that he did. But I might have gotten into a fight with the cop in Elgin. Yeah. Well, hey, who doesn't? Yeah. Who doesn't want to? Elgin is tough, you know? I mean, this really does.

Elgin's tourism brochure is just getting into a fight with cops. It's getting with the cops are ready. Come see the water parks. Come see what cops want to brawl a little bit. This does, this whole thing, really, all of the laws and depositions and stuff have made me really want to scrub every last bit of my social media and anything because just the idea of being in a deposition, I don't even know what it would be for. But if a lawyer starts reading a tweet, I'm like, whatever it is, I confess, whatever it is.

I think stuff you just said on the podcast is bad enough. Oh, that's fair. I mean, I don't, I don't imagine you've tweeted worse things than some of the stuff taken out of context that you've said here. Yeah, I'm going to have to, well, I'm going to have to leave no evidence that either of us ever existed, Dan. Oh, no. Sorry.

So Badandi went to Boston. Sure. Was looking for a soul to steal. Okay. He went to the press conference, of course. Made a big splash for Infowars. And as you talked about this a little bit, you presented yourself as a journalist and a member of the press, correct?

Yes. And you wore your press pass to get into the press conference, correct? Is that yes? Yes. And that's right. One there and sat with the rest of the, you know, journalists from the other media networks waiting for the thing to start and, and, you know, when, when it's, you've got to jump them because the thing is there's no taking turns in these press conferences.

You got to be right out quick to get your question out. You got the first question out, right? Governor Patrick asked if there were any questions and you asked the first question, correct? Is that yes? Yes. And the question you asked is, is this another false flags, staged attack to take our civil liberties, correct?

Yeah. And put more homelands security on the street to stick the hands down on our pits. Okay. You don't dispute that you asked, is this another false flag, staged attack to take our civil liberties, right? Nope. That's what I said. Yep.

And when you said another, what was the prior false flag, staged attack you were referring to? You got a book. I'm just asking if you have one in mind. Not being the wrong time to say like, you know, it's the long list. I mean, going back from the Gulf of Tonkin to Operation Gladio. Oh boy. To the Reichstag fire in 1932, I think it was. Well, the Reichstag fire wasn't to take away your civil liberties, right?

It was in Germany to go to Warwick. Right. And the Gulf of Tonkin wasn't used to take away anybody's civil liberties, right? So I'm asking, what was the prior false flag, staged attack? Hang on a second, hang on a second. What was the prior false flag, staged attack that you were referring to? 9-11 in Oklahoma and Waco and. Sandy Hook.

No, no, absolutely not. How dare you suggest such a thing? Nope. Of all the ones that one was real, I say now here in front of you. God, I love that. Oh, I need a book and then he rattles off the same three ones that we hear every single fucking time. Well, to be fair, what he said is, do you have a book?

Oh, which, which is a weird thing to say because it's like I have to fill up this book or something. I think that's what he means. That was the implication that I took away from it, right? But he should have said something like you got an hour. Yeah, I think that's what I, that's what he was trying to say. Yeah, that's the intent behind, right? But got a book is a little bit weird.

Do you got a book? I don't know anyone. You can write in the margins. So, um, Badandi goes down to Connecticut. I was looking for a soul to steal. All right. Went down with Wolfgang Halbig and Halbig was just asking questions too. I don't feel like that's true.

Don't you understand that if people would just answer his questions, he would have stopped asking them because they've been answered. The first time you recall hearing about Wolfgang Halbig was in connection with your trip to Connecticut to cover him. No, I mean, his name was ran through the media like everybody else. I mean, every media mentioned him, especially when he started asking questions. And then, of course, the media viciously attacked him. You know what I mean?

And, uh, and that's, I didn't even talk to the man at the time. The first time I talked to him was the day I met him the first time in Connecticut. Okay. And your, your testimony, best you can recall is that prior to that day, Mr. Halbig's name was circulating in the media and you became aware of him through that. Yes. Was it circulating in the mainstream media at that time or on alternative media like, for example, Info Wars?

My donor calls actually. Okay. Prior to meeting him that day, did you have an understanding that he was connected in some way to a story surrounding Sandy Hook? No, he was asking questions at first. Then he gets visited by the state police and gets threatened. Then he comes out and listens and says, God, I'm just asking questions. He answered the questions and I'll go away.

I don't know how many times we got that on video when it was on Info Wars. How many times he tells you to answer my questions, I'll go away. Plenty simple. They would not answer his questions. The most bizarre stuff. We had an FBA agent in the court hearings that witnessed the stuff that said this was the most bizarre stuff he's ever seen in his life. You're talking about Rob News uncle?

Yes. 01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:28,240 Okay. Yeah. It was Rob News uncle. Yeah. This is very bizarre to me on some level because I find it difficult to understand or believe, excuse me, that Badandi doesn't understand that these are fake questions.

Yeah. These are unfair questions. They're, they have you stopped beating your spouse. Right. Kind of questions. Yeah, totally. They're like, they're not designed to be answered. They're designed to not be answered and used as evidence that people aren't answering questions.

Right. They're cudgels. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if I believe that he doesn't understand that dynamic, but part of me is willing to believe that. I don't know, man. I feel like I've got a fairly good ear for sincerity and it really does feel like he

thinks that he's, if he gets the answers, then he will be happy. Like how big is acting in good faith and just wants answers. Yeah. It feels like that's what, because it does feel like that's how Badandi views himself also as somebody who, if he does get the answers, then he will stop. Answer question will be satisfied. Exactly. I think with Alex, it's very obvious that he has no belief that these are sincere questions

that need answers. 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:40,800 This is just an opportunity. Yeah. With Badandi, it does feel like there is a possibility that he legitimately thinks that if someone would just be upfront and answer these questions, we wouldn't have to go through all this. Yeah.

But I don't know if that's being naive on my part too. I mean, it's hard because we're dealing with info wars people, obviously. But at the same time, I really, I mean, it's like, if I can't trust my ear on this one, I feel like I don't know of anything. It's a sense that you get. I'm more willing to believe that there's a sincerity to it than other folk that I've heard, but I'm not willing to commit to it. Right, right, right.

I will say this of all the people, but Dandi is the one closest to me saying he's sincere. I think, I think that's probably true. Yeah. I mean, there's been some major league shitheads to be fair. A lot of the deficit. Well, you know what? I think Paul Joseph Watson was fairly sincere. Well, yeah.

I mean, I suppose more about everything. Yeah. I think Paul Joseph Watson was very sincere in a calculated, I'm going to be good. This shit's not my fault. Yep. I was very clear. I didn't want any part of this. Freak.

Yeah. Yeah. There is documented evidence that I said, stop it. Oh yeah. I would be surprised if he was smiling in his deposition. Yeah. Actually, I watched it. He was not.

Oh. But he's British. Yeah. Anyway, Rob do sent Badandi to, to Connecticut, to that FOIA hearing, to steal the soul. And not only did Badandi report on that. He also gave testimony to the school board. Apparently this is weird. Okay.

And so how did you, how did you know to go cover that board of education meeting? Who are in fours? Did Rob do send you on that assignment? Yeah. He said they're going to be doing things down there. So they wanted to cover what was going on. And I went down there and did that. Did he tell you what it was that was going to be happening?

I don't, I don't remember. I mean, I was instructed to go down there. Wolf King Halby because it'll be down there. And that's when I first met him. And I had no clue really. I mean, all I know is he was some kind of a school safety consultant. But prior to that, I had no real knowledge who exactly who he was. I mean, that's when I first met him in person.

And I, and I know that you now know or believe that he was a school safety consultant. Did you know that prior to going to the board of education meeting, that Mr. Halby was somebody who presented himself as a school safety consultant? Injection. No. I, I can't, I, it's that, because I don't even know, right? You don't recall? No.

Okay. But it was Rob Do who sent you there, correct? Yes. Because there was activity going on and somebody was saying, oh, that's all I know went down there and just videotaped it. And I spoke on behalf of gun rights. You know what I mean? That was my thing said, please don't, you know, this tragedy,

please don't blame the Second Amendment for this tragedy. And that's where my testimony was to the school board. That's what it was about. And obviously the board of education doesn't have any authority at all to I understand. Sort of gun legislation, right? No, I understood. I understood that I was just like trying to make a fundamental statement.

So people don't criticize or demonize the Second Amendment. You know what I mean? Because we know how critical that is these days. Right. And you were doing that in your capacity as a, as a journalist, for example, was correct? That testimony, that was, on my own behalf, that was not to do it.

They didn't instruct me to do that. They didn't even know I did that. That was on my own behalf as a citizen, not as a journalist. You were in your press pass? Yes, several. Oh my God. Yeah. So it turns out the Constitution can be overridden by a school board.

Yeah. But there's a, I mean, there's no reason to testify about how great the Second Amendment is to the school board unless you're trying to just get attention, uh, be an asshole, uh, distract from the issues. Sure. Uh, there's, it's, it's really a, it's really a strange impulse. You know what? I, I, I've thought about that and I, I, you know, it is a strange impulse,

but the more I think about it, the more it's like a different form of laziness that I, I wasn't aware of, you know, when you think about everybody that you don't like being a globalist and connected to the ultimate evil school boards got to be involved, then the school board is involved. That means you don't actually have to look for an organization that can do anything. You can just go to any government organization and be like, well, somebody's going to hear it. Well, and, and let me piggyback on that.

The laziness idea, like what better place to, uh, grandstand to a captive audience than like school board meeting. And I think a lot of people have learned that in the COVID times with all the videos that have gone viral city council and yeah, exactly. I think that, uh, it's laziness on another level like that too. It's just like this will be cheap attention grabbing and seem like kind of, uh, like relevant and bombshell. Oh yeah.

You know, I'm telling truth to power. What are you even doing? Meaningless defending gun rights to a school board and, and, and I've got my minutes like it or not. I get 10 minutes to do the thing that I want to do. And I have my press pass on, but I am not here. My capacity is an enforcement. I'm going to have multiple press passes on though, just so you know.

Yeah. So, um, one of the things that info wars gets a lot of leeway on because of is that they are sloppy fucking organization. Yes. And nobody knows what's going on. Left hand doesn't know what the right hand's doing. It's all a mess. It really doesn't feel like there are any hands.

Well, we know that Rob do set Bidondi there. Right. So there's one element of coordination. Right. That is editorial planning in some ways. True. This next clip reveals that there is maybe a bit more micromanaging than, uh, is let on. Oh no.

The email you sent him, uh, day earlier had the subject, but Bidondi MOS questions. That's man on the street questions, right? And you were running by him, um, questions you were considering asking as part of two man on the street segments. You were going to be shooting, correct? Yes. One of those man on the street segments concerned, um, questions about school drills, right?

Yep. And the other concern town hall and convention center safety drills, right? Yeah. Yeah. And these departments, uh, a series of drills and one was at a mock drill at a mock shooting at a school. They did hold conducted hold drill, which I got to witness from the press box. Did you have any objection to schools or other public facilities conducting

safety drills? Not objections by all means, because I think it's very important for, um, the official, you know, police and fire officials and EMTs to be, uh, because I was part of the drills before. I mean, like when I worked at the airport, we did a lot of drills, like a plane crash. I would lay there with a tag on me to tell the EMT my leg was cut off or something. I mean, and I think these are very important to, uh, prep the people for, uh, God forbid one of these, uh, events to happen.

So I don't oppose these at all. But in the other token too, every time there's a drill, something simile happens. Not every time. Sorry. I'm not even afraid of that. When there's a drill, uh, frequently something in that same manner happens in that same area. You know, coincidence. I don't know about questioning that, but, um, yeah.

Again, I'm not saying a drill is part of an operation. Although in situation like the Boston marathon bombing, your view is that it was, correct? Yes. Okay. And then Mr. Do responds to you very good. Also add, um, and then he proposes additional questions for you to ask about the second segment. Correct.

So there is running questions by, uh, Rob do for approval. Yep. There is do adding more questions in that is, um, a level of intent, a level of organization, centralization of content, um, that obviously I don't think it goes to the extent of like everything is checked off and approved. Right. Right. You know, they're not that, uh, rigorous, but there is, um, more of that than they like to

pretend. Yeah. They like to pretend it's all shooting from the hip and whatever happens, happens. Right. Alex doesn't have a teleprompter, but he has producers in his ears feeding him stuff and telling him, uh, things to say and information. Right. Nobody plans anything, but oh, there's emails where you're going over in advance man on the

street questions that the Kraken is going to ask people. Right. You know, there is, there is more going on here, uh, that is makes the whole institution and the organization more culpable than they like to believe or like to put on. I mean, it's unreasonable to think that they can grow into what amounts to, I don't know, half a billion dollars a year business, uh, without any kind of like it's pure improv. The whole thing we've never made it calculated. That's what they want you to believe is like the content side of stuff is shooting from

the hip. Right. And then the business side, I don't even deal with any of that stuff. Those people are serious, but that's a whole another way. Come on. Right. And it's just delusional. It's, it's a, it's a fiction.

Yep. So Wolfgang Halbig had an issue with the police and that's how this all started. He was asking questions about Sandy Hook and the police don't came to him and said, you cut it out. You will not be asking these questions. Interesting. I mean, but Andy heard that story and then it was like, oh yeah, definitely true. Yeah.

But Mr. Halbig told you that Connecticut state troopers had come to his house. Yes. Okay. And they threaten me and they tell me that I can no longer ask questions about the Sandy Hook school shooting. I kept thinking, isn't there freedom of speech here somewhere in America? I'm a naturalized U.S. citizen. I think that's what called the first amendment, right?

01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:31,440 The amendment. You know what the board members don't understand is they send police officers to my house. So guess what? I'm coming to their house. Now, did you just hear him say that the school board members had sent police officers to his house? Yeah. Okay.

And did you do anything to confirm whether or not the school board had sent police officers to his house? Just to say it to interview him. That's all it was. I mean, obviously I couldn't sit there and ask for proof or anything like that. You know what I mean? Because you tend to ask the school board? No, we went into the school board, you know, whatever it was.

And he had some interaction with the school board. I was just there to ask him questions. That's all. No, I know. But if the school board had sent police officers to his house, did you think to ask the school board members who were there whether that was in fact true? I don't know. This was, I don't know if this is after the testimony.

I don't know. That didn't occur to you though, is your testimony? Sorry, what? No. And you're wearing your inforced press badge here as you're interviewing him, correct? Yep. So when you get journalism training from your not-uncle-pr guy who's not a journalist, sometimes you hear claims like the school board sent the police to harass me.

And you don't think follow-up questions or corroborating information is important. Because if you believe the story, why wouldn't you ask the school board and get information, get their comment on it? It's ridiculous. You don't scratch this because you're not curious. And you probably don't, I mean, on babies subconsciously or consciously, don't want to run the risk of having probable cause to think that the person you're talking to is a liar.

Yeah. Yeah. It's safer. Yeah, as far as the cover your ass goes, it feels like Badandi is wearing those comical long underwear with the butt flap wide open, just out in the cold tundra. But meanwhile, trying to cover other people's asses. Weirdly. Covering for Halbig, covering for Alex.

Yeah, it's weird. Yeah. So it was reported when Badandi and Halbig came to town in Connecticut that the circus was coming to town. Now, you'll never believe what reporting this was based on. Why haven't the parents here in San Diego found the lawsuit? I guess some people quoted that it was a big circus coming down with a bunch of conspiracy. There's even though this is a direct onslaught on our second.

Mr. Badandi, am I correct that there you said that it was reported that a big circus was coming to town and that we're all a bunch of conspiracy theorists? When we got there, my business is some jackass. Oh, the circus is in town. We don't want you. It was reported here and all that. You bring the circus to town and I'm explained to these guys. Listen, I'm here to just cover this thing.

I'm still learning what's going on and everything else and what this is about. And they were actually giving Wolfgang a real hard time over that. I mean, of course, me and Kevin and the other people that were there calling us a big bunch of circus animals. And I told the guy to get a freaking call. You know what I mean? Like Sarah said, I'm here to do my job, piss off. You know what I mean?

And it's just totally taken. Wolfgang's right, man. Like you can't ask questions without getting it's ridiculous. You know what I mean? Yeah, I just wanted to I just you answer my question. I was curious where that reference came from. It sounds like bystanders made a comment to you that the circus was coming to town. And that's what you were referring to.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Reporting. Listen, New York Times, some asshole of the street. What's the difference? Reporting is reporting. You could if you if you're saying it's reported that the circus is coming to town.

This is unfair. But if you said a word on the street was that would work. Yeah, because it was literally a word on the street. Yeah, just some random factual information. I mean, this is just an extension of the like random tweet equals all the left believes this thing 100 percent. It's just cherry picking where and elevating whatever random thing is useful. Right.

Very sad. So we know that the the state troopers were the ones that came and harassed Wolfgang. But maybe his story isn't very consistent. Even within the clip that he is. Oh, my God. Talking to Baddandia. This is bad. Well, you know, the final thought is every time I look at that flag of the

city of Newtown, I cannot believe the police chief of Newtown called the sheriff of Lake County, Florida and and had deputy sheriffs come to my house and they wanted to know that if I ever come to Newtown, I need to check in. So do you see there that Mr. how big referred not to Connecticut state troopers, but deputy sheriffs in Florida as having gone to his house? Did he describe two different instances, one in which Connecticut state troopers went to his house and one in which Florida deputy sheriffs did?

I can't make comments on that. I was just going what he was telling me. Well, that's what I was asking though. Earlier, you stated that he told you that Connecticut state troopers came to his house. And what's that? You said that in the interview. Okay. They're very frank.

Oh, man, I'll shut up. What what? Bananas get me aggravated by the minute. My questions are aggravating you, sir. Well, not you and all the questions, just the whole fact in general that, um, you know what, you know, they're soon the gun manufacturer soon, Alex Joe, we're these two happy people. So now, but Dondi is gonna, he's getting himself a little bit mad.

And the floodgates have become open. And it's weird that the floodgates opened because he stopped himself from saying something as opposed to this entire time where he is just ramble. No, no, no, no. That's, that's him realizing that he's violated his own first amendment rights. Thus making him everything that he's fought against his entire life. Yeah. So he, he's, uh, I think subconsciously, if I had to guess, I would say that he's being

confronted with this information that clearly indicates that he should have seen through Wolfgang's shit a lot earlier, maybe immediately in the present, when he was having that conversation with him, maybe all this is bullshit. And that probably doesn't feel good. And so in order to sort of deflect from that, get angry. And so he gets angry and just starts ranting and spoiler alert seems to be calling the parents of murdered children cowards. No.

My questions are aggravating you, sir. Well, not you and all the questions, just the whole fact in general that, um, you know, what, you know, they're suing the gun manufacturer, suing Alex Joe. What are these two happy people? I mean, what the hell is wrong with you people? This is the first damn amendment. This is the second amendment. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, how the hell you go sue a gun company? You know what is going through your damn heads? Go sue Ruga for what? So you could sue Nissan because they killed a bunch of the drunk driver killed a bunch of people. I mean, what the hell is going on? Sometimes yes. And I'm a parent till don't give me that damn excuse crap.

I would rather have my, my son's got a school where he has an armed police officer out of school. I feel a million times safer over that. I'm not, if something happens, okay, I'm not, I got a gun pointed on me many times. I'm not going to go through the gun manufacturer, then go attack people's free speech. What the hell is wrong with these people? I know I'm just a witness, but I'm telling these people, you got to be a damn coward, okay, to exploit the debts of these kids, to push draconian Nazi gun control, then attack free speech.

You know, we know what this is about. We know the Bloomberg's are behind us and everything else. All fun in this operation, whether all the money's coming from. We know the money trailer that's coming from. It's utterly ridiculous. And I have to be dragged on five hours of my time with this bullshit. You know what I mean? Because I was over there doing my job as a reporter, protected by the First Amendment,

and saying that Wolfgang Halberg doing his job, regardless if he's wrong or right, he's asking questions. That's the first damn amendment. And people need to understand that and start respecting that. Bottom line, I'm not going to cow it down to no damn people at all. I'm going to stand for my rights like I said in that video. I'm going to speak my mind. And that's that plain and simple.

You know what I mean? This is bullshit that I have to see here. Six hours of my frigging time. Sit there to defend my second First Amendment. I mean, and try to defend theirs. And I'm getting that's a stupid question that nothing to do at all with Sandy Hook to try to pay me some kind of no-ball anti-gum conspiracy there, which I'm not. And I mean, let's just get to the damn point.

Get this damn thing over with. I'm done. And now no attack against you, sir. No attack against you. Of course, I respect you about this whole thing. That sounds insincere. You just referred, I believe, to the plaintiffs in this case and in the case against the gun manufacturer as cowards.

Is that right? It's cowardly to attack the Second Amendment. Why would you? I'm just asking, were you referring to the plaintiffs in this case? Listen, I just listened to you for a while and you're welcome to say your piece. But I would ask you to just try to listen to my question here because I'm just responding to what you just said. And what I understood you to just say was that the plaintiffs in this case and in the

case against Remington are cowards. Is that what you said? Anybody that yes, attack the Second Amendment. Yes, you're a coward. I don't care who you are. And you understand that the second thing would have protected those children. Bottom line, enough is enough for this bullshit. Yeah, this wasn't a victory for Info Wars, I don't think.

Maybe the messaging wasn't quite on point, maybe exactly where you'd want it to be. I can see where the conflict with the cops in Elgin happened. I'm going to guess, you told that cop, I respect you. No beef against you. What's wrong with all of you, so happy people? No beef against you. This is total bullshit. This is total bullshit and a waste of my fucking time.

Enough of this nonsense now. I love you. You're great. You're the best. You're the best lawyer who is running this case, I believe, is destroying the Second Amendment. I'm so happy, killing everyone. He brought up something that's such a good point and such a fucked up part of the human brain and everything.

Donny did? Yeah, which is that with the armed guard at his kid's school, he feels safer. Like when you hear what the actual way to become safer is, you know, improving communities, distributing wealth in places that need it, all of those kinds of things. It's fairly abstract. Yeah, it doesn't feel safe. Now, obviously putting an armed guard makes you less safe, but it feels safer and it's such a fucked up way our brains work.

Yeah, I know. I mean, it's the same thing with like arming countries, like everyone has nukes, we're all safer. Yeah, it's counterintuitive. I don't know what, maybe it's maybe it's some part of our evolution, you know, like at a time, everyone being armed with sticks. I don't trust any of you. Maybe that was safer. It could be.

Back in stick and club days. Why didn't we, why did we leave stick and club days? It's the biggest question of all. Wistful for those days. For those old stick and club days. So anyway, Dan thinks this is a waste of fucking time. And you consider this to be a waste of your time, right? It is a waste of this time.

Because what's this about? What is this about? Why am I here? Why am I because I was there as a reporter on protected. I'm still protected under the First Amendment. If nobody likes that, they could go straight to hell and let that be put on record. I don't count anybody. My only governor, my only God is Jesus Christ.

I answer the hand only. I don't answer no damn courts. And why do you care about the amendments? I answer the Jesus Christ. I do what I see fit under the Constitution and by my God given light. Very simple. And I'm protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution. And I'm a defender of the second as well.

And the very first two things, the two things to be intact right here that I say, okay, is the First Amendment in free speech, freedom of press, because we're not in an establishment media. And also the Second Amendment is being heavily attacked. Why would you do Remington? It's beyond ridiculous. Okay, I understand. I grieve, okay, for those children.

And I feel bad for those parents. And they're here, aren't you, for them? Insincere. Yes, I am. Yeah. Even though you said that it was fake, right? No, I didn't. I didn't say no.

Oh, you never said you never said that. That seems like the hoax. You never said that. When I was thinking about, I was looking. Did you ever say Sandy Hook was a hoax? Did you ever say it? I was asking the question. You're slowing down and you're over talking.

You're making me miss a lot. Did you ever say Sandy Hook was a hoax? I questioned it. I questioned it. That's about as close as we're going to get to me doing. What is your job? What is your job? Well, you know, Badandi's getting a little abusive.

And so maybe Maddy is just sort of letting a little bit of like, I'm going to be blunt now. Did you say this? Did you say this? Did you say this? Yeah. Did you say this? To your question, though, about like, if he only answers to God,

why does he care about the Constitution and the amendments? It's because the understanding that someone like him has, and a lot of the militia, patriot, hard right communities, is that, you know, it is all just God. The Bill of Rights is like divine in some nature. And then all it is, it's not a delineation of rights that you have because of the Constitution. It's things that the government can't do to you.

You have those rights with or without the Constitution because of divine right. God gave you those rights. And that's partially why they're against Communism, because it seeks to destroy God. And then those rights would go away and something. But it's not contradictory in the way that maybe you were thinking. I mean, in a way, it's still worshiping a golden calf

at the end of the day. I don't disagree in as much as like, if you believe that these are God-given rights, then the government, not respecting them, can't take them away from you either. Exactly. It just puts you in a different situation where you have a hostile government.

Like, I mean, would you already think? You understand that like, a hundred people voted on the Constitution. You know, like, it wasn't like, voted on. It was the government writing a Constitution. And a couple of them were mules. Literally. 100% a true fact.

It was not like palette mules. It was animals. Animals. Yeah. So I will say that I think that Maddie is really actually being pretty effective in getting Baddandi mad through just asking direct questions and not letting up. I like it.

Did you say Sandy Hook was a hoax? Yes or no? I don't recall. Okay. But if you did, I'm sure you were grieving your heart out for those families when you said it, weren't you? Objection. Yeah.

All right. Mr. Baddandi. How the hell is gun rates? Why are we attacking the Second Amendment for? This is not a case against Remington, sir. It's all part of the same damn thing. I mean, come on, get off this, okay? It's part of attacking the First and Second Amendment.

That's what this whole thing is about. It's nothing to do with money. Nothing to do with any of this bullshit. It's about attacking the First and Second Amendment. And dare these people exploit the deaths of these children. Makes me sick to my damn stomach, plain and simple. And how dare anybody defend them? How dare anybody that even attack our Second and First Amendment?

The very amendment that would have saved the lives of those children. Makes me sick to my damn stomach, man. And these people need to realize we are not giving our gun rates up. We are not submitting ourselves to the New World Order. You know, people could go straight to hell, plain and simple. We are not going to give up our rights because people want to sue everything. You know what I mean? I want to protect my children and every children in the future of this country

and prevent a school shooting to ever happen again. And to do that, we need to arm the schools, not disarm them. We need to protect our children with the Second Amendment. Israel did in 1974, only two school shootings attempted happened and they were both stopped by armed individuals. Bottom line. So you want to emulate someone? Emulate Israel when they armed all the schools.

And you know, Sandy Hook, all gun-free zone. Oh, you wonder why a hundred-pound little rat managed to go shoot up the school because there was nobody there with a gun to stop. You know what I mean? Come on, man. Seriously. I thought it was staged. I don't know.

You tell me. Oh. That's the point. Are you ready to move on? Have you said your piece? Now, there is an interesting, I think, maybe intentional strategy that Maddie is employing and that is letting him talk. Because Baddandi does seem to be someone who, whether it's that sincerity

or there's a lack of guardedness that a lot of these other folks who have been deposed have, there is a decent chance that he will just start talking and accidentally say some shit that is like, what? What are you saying? He already has given up this Operation Cover Your Ass stuff, the internal workings of the earpiece and the way that they coach Alex or feed him information, the fact that there's editorial conversations about what questions to ask and man on the street bits.

I feel like there's more information that has accidentally come out because of him talking and then throw onto the pile him calling the parrots cowards. Yeah. Yeah, that was wild. And saying, how dare anyone defend them? Wild. Yeah. Wild.

I think that you gain a lot just by letting him go. But unfortunately, that does lead to the very long deposition and repetition. I think interrogators like a talker and also hate a talker more than anything else. I feel for and this is what I think is an amazing thing and I think we should all be more grateful towards stenographers. How can you hear all of that? Let it go through your brain, through your fingers to the typing machine without losing your fucking mind.

Let me say this. I didn't play a clip of this, but the stenographer was having difficulty with the way he's talking. Yeah. And so they did have a conversation about this, that she would get a copy of it. So she could do it, get a clean transcript later. Yeah. Smart. Yeah.

That's smart. Yeah. So this might not be a situation. This is a situation where it's just like, I need a break or whatever as opposed to like, she's probably not catching everything. Sure. Sure. Well, I don't think it's possible.

It would be quite hard. So in this next clip, the only way I can describe this is playing who's on first about a tweet. This is so frustrating. Great. Great. In October of 2014, was it your view that Sandy Hook was a hoax? I don't recall. I don't, that was a long time ago.

I have no clue what was going on that day. Okay. Showing you exhibit number 12. This is a tweet that you tweeted on October 21st, 2014, correct? Yes. Okay. And you say, and this is when you were working as an Info Wars correspondent, correct? Yep.

And you say, I added a video to YouTube playlist, then there's a URL. Shocking. Sandy Hook now revealed as a hoax. Did you tweet those words? That's sharing the title. Excuse me. Did you tweet those words? Okay.

And did you believe, when you tweeted them, did you believe when you tweeted them, that Sandy Hook had been revealed as the hoax? I listened. When the YouTube, I didn't tweet that. YouTube did. So when you- You didn't tweet this? No, you're not understanding what's going on.

Let me finish. Go ahead. Okay. When you upload a YouTube, when YouTube and Twitter all corresponded to us. So when I upload a YouTube video, YouTube tweets it out through the system. Co-titles the video. I uploaded this to YouTube. Who titled the video?

That's, that was the title of the video. I'm just sharing. Who titled it? I don't know. What? Well, you uploaded it, didn't you? Yeah, it was the title of the video. I don't know.

You uploaded the video. Played the video? I mean, you guys got everything. And you titled it, right? That was the title of the video. I have no idea what it was about. Which you uploaded, correct? Yeah, just play the video.

You guys got it. I'm asking you about your tweet. And you then tweeted- Oh, I didn't tweet that. You didn't tweet this. Who tweeted it? I've been uploading videos and they all work together at the time. So basically, if I was up to a little video back then,

and it's a correspond my Facebook and everything, once I, that went, YouTube, because it's connected to my Twitter, put that out. I didn't personally want to Twitter and tweet that out. Okay. Mr. Rodani, you knew, because you knew the connection between your YouTube account and your Twitter account, that when you, when you uploaded the video,

it would be tweeted from your account, correct? Direction argumentative. Didn't you know that? So what? I don't know. I don't know. Why, why is it so- Did you know, when you uploaded the video to YouTube,

that your Twitter account would tweet this tweet? I think so, man. I don't know back then. Arrest this man. This is infuriating. I appreciate, honestly, I actually appreciate this, mainly because it calibrates my sincerity here. And when I'm going to, I think he was being sincere earlier.

I think, I think it's very clear when he's not being sincere at least. I don't know. I never heard of it. What were you talking about? Some of- So YouTube. Some of that's being a dick, but some of it also is like, technically, yeah, all right.

I didn't write that tweet. I, you know, he titled the video. Come on. Come on. It is, it is vaudeville, man. There is, there is something truly incredible about that exchange. I would quit. In the middle of it, it's like, I'm out.

I'm out. This turned into a bit. I can't do this anymore. I have to read you. Yeah. I admire Maddie not being broken by that. That hurt. So anyway, but Andy rant some more.

Okay. What is this got to do with Alex Jones? Okay. So that, that's not a question that I'm going to be answering. So you're a witness here. Can I clarify something? Right. The document says I'm going to hit with the witness, right?

The defendant responded is Emory, Alex Emory Jones. I don't see Daniel Bedongan. I'm here as a witness. Why are you questioning me on my day? Because you're the witness. My thing, so. If it was yesterday in the end, but this has nothing to do with my school, is nothing to do with any of that stuff.

My personal stuff. Why am I being questioned on that? Because it's going to be made to spin it to make me look like a little bit. So this is defendant Alex Jones. Okay. I'm here on my own behalf because, you know, you guys call. So I want to answer the questions. Get to the different point.

Please. No personal attack. Yes. Get to the point. And I'll answer the questions. Honestly. I mean, we're going off. We're grabbing that straw.

So they have nothing to do with why the law is going on. I mean, and it's none of my business anyway. And I mean, it's against you guys and Alex Jones. None of my business. I'm just, I did my job as a reporter, protected and full by the First Amendment. That's it. Okay. That's my statement.

That's my testimony, whatever you want to hear. And I'm not denying the videos. You've got the emails. You've got the videos. Nobody's denied it. It's not secret. Nobody's trying to conspire things against you guys. This is all on record.

So what, what more do you want from me? I don't understand. Ask my next question, sir. You're like a robot. I'm going to need a small time out for bath and break. It's 441. You're a robot. You're a fucking piece of shit.

Also, no disrespect. Hey, your mom licks donkey hooves. No offense to your mom. Yeah. Like what, what are you? What? This is, this does feel like one of those northeast assholes. Go fuck yourself.

You're a piece of shit. I hate you. I hate everything about you. You're a good guy. You're a good guy. I think I'm going to be friends with you for the rest of my life. Nothing against you, but I fucking hate you.

You're fucking hate your guts. Anyways, you're a great guy. You're a robot. It does feel like didn't but he has met an alien. He's like, holy shit. How is it that you're not mad at me? Everybody's always mad at me by now. How am I not a listening to a response out of you

and you're just on, you're on, you're focused. You're on point. There's no distraction going on here. I would admire you if I understood what you were doing. No disrespect. No disrespect. You're not human, but no disrespect. So we get another tweet being discussed here.

See that? Okay. You tweeted that on August 25th, 2016, correct? Yes. Okay. And you type the words, Sandy Hook was staged actors exclamation point, correct? Yes.

Okay. And is that because as of the time you sent this tweet, that was in fact what you believe, that Sandy Hook was staged with actors? I think that I'm on point. I had a lot of questions, like I said. And the questions were around both ends, but you know what I mean? And then the end, I end up apologizing to the parents about that.

I'm just asking you whether or not at the time you sent this tweet. I don't recall. So you allow for the possibility that you may have typed Sandy Hook was staged actors exclamation point without actually believing that? I'm not sure. It could be it might not be, right?

I don't remember what was going on. I mean, like that's five years ago. Well, I'm just trying to understand. I mean, you typed it. So if you were typed, Sandy Hook was staged with actors, would it be reasonable to assume that that's what you in fact believe is the truth? It's protected by free speech regardless.

You may be right. I'm just trying to, you know, I don't, Mr. Badani, you keep sparring with me instead of just telling me whether or not you believe that to be true. That's all I'm asking. It's there. Okay.

Whatever I typed, it's there. But I have changed my tune. And it's like, that's what the end of almost. That's totally fair. That's totally fair. That's all I want to know. And so I'm just trying to make sure I understand that as at the time you said this tweet,

although you may have later changed your view, which as you say is completely within your right to change your opinion about something. I just want to know whether at the time you tweeted this, I can presume that because you said Sandy Hook was staged with actors that that's what in fact you believed at that time. Correct?

Yes. A lot of questions. And I don't recall exactly what my beliefs were at that time. But I know my beliefs to this time are different. So fair. Well, then that means... It's infuriating. I mean, it's basically like here is a statement

that they made in the past X. Does that mean you believe X? Just ask the questions about X. It can't be determined one way or the other. Because we can't go back in time. I don't really know. And even if I did think that it's legal for me to think that. I mean...

And I don't think that now. And I was probably just asking a question in the past. I'm confused as to whether or not he believes that the I don't think that anymore is not an admission that he did think it. It's implied but not necessary. Well, I guess if you say I don't believe that anymore, it does strongly indicate that you did believe it before.

Because a change would have had to happen. Exactly. You can't believe something different in the past and not have believed it. But you can say I don't believe that now. And it doesn't imply that you... True. Didn't believe it or you believed it before.

True. I don't know. Who cares? He's just... It's infuriating the way that you can't answer a direct question. Yeah. Especially for someone who insists that not answering questions is an indicative of guilt.

Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Boo. That is the hallmark of a right-wing person. It's just the thing that they are is the thing they hate the most. Well, and like bedrock, most important principles are usually actually incredibly negotiable. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everybody should have gun rights, but I probably would take guns away from Antifa if I had a chance. I mean, you got to take guns away from Antifa. Right. So anyway, we come to the end basically. There's just a little bit of the deposition left and the subject of some like communications comes up. And Maddie asks when the last time he talked to Rob Do was.

And this is why you let Baddandi just talk because this is a very bizarre admission. What was your most recent communication with Rob Do? Well, maybe the fourth of July and say, no, I'm sorry. I'm not too long ago. I texted him to tell him that I got served to the subpoena. You have that text in your phone?

No, I'm sorry. Well, didn't you receive the subpoena after you got rid of your last phone? No, what? I'm sorry. Well, when were you when were you served with the subpoena? You have it in front of you, right? Yeah, it wasn't too long ago. I served like last month.

Maybe you don't know. Well, take a look at the subpoena. You know, you fucked up. Just admit it. Come on, man. You deleted the texts. We know there's a date on it. 7.23.

July 23rd, right? Yep. Well, the checks are 23rd. And so didn't you have your new phone by then? No, that's not nothing to do with the other emails and texts, whatever the case. Your text message to Rob Do? This phone here is new phone. I checked Rob Do's hands and I got served.

Right. And so why haven't you produced that text to us? Because I don't have it. Well, did you delete it? Yeah, I delete all my text messages. Kind of mumbled that. But you already had a subpoena as of the time you sent that text message. Yeah, but I can't produce something that's not there.

Well, when did you delete it? I deleted it right after I texted him. He said delete it. I just put on my logs. Because we know how certain agencies like to spy on people. Yeah, but you have to do that stuff nowadays. Let me just make sure I understand. You got the subpoena on July 23rd, right?

You got your cell phone sometime after that, right? I won't. You read the stipend. Mumbled that one a little bit. Correct. Yeah, I got the subpoena to appear, yes. Yeah, you read it. You knew that it instructed you to produce communications

with individuals, including Mr. Do, correct? Yeah, for that stuff related to that, it's nothing new. I mean, this was after the point. And you then texted Mr. Do about this lawsuit, correct? Yes. And then you deleted that text message? Yes. What did you say to Mr. Do?

Just told him I got subpoena. What do I say? And he goes, I don't know what to tell you. He said, you asked him, what do I do? And he said, I don't know what to tell you. I had no idea what to say or anything. That's, I mean, this isn't indicative of somebody who doesn't know enough to lie.

Yeah. You know, like he doesn't know how bad that looks. 02:24:58,880 --> 02:25:04,880 Um, he has, uh, on this, uh, episode, episode, this deposition, yeah, he has said a couple of times about like a habit of deleting messages and stuff like that. So it's not out of the ordinary for a behavior that he has described already. Yeah. But the circumstances of this look very bad.

Oh yeah. Um, No, I just, No, I genuinely believe him when he says that Rob do told him, I don't know what to say. Sure. But there's no way to know now. Exactly.

Uh, based on the, well, I mean, I guess, uh, Maddie does say we'll demand Rob do turn over this thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but I would have been surprised if he deleted it too.

Obviously. Of course they deleted it. It makes you look real bad. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, hey, real quick. You want to do some witness tampering, uh, over the phone?

You mind giving me a call and then leaving a record of it? Hey Alex, what do I say? This witness is asking to be tampered. Yeah, exactly. That's why you use burner phones if you're in a criminal organization. Uh, talking about a criminal fucking conspiracy over the phone. Exactly. Um, this is not the other lawyer makes a decent point.

And that is like, there is an implication here that, uh, you're saying that he deleted this message to try to cover something up or hide something. Right. And that is not necessarily demonstrated. Like mens rea isn't there. Right. Like intent or some sort of criminal intent isn't,

I don't feel it necessarily from Baddandi. Right. Right. All right. But the act itself is problematic. Yeah. I, I, like I said, I believe Baddandi. I, I believe that he regularly deletes his texts.

That makes sense to me. Uh, and, and I don't think it, and I, and I very much doubt that Rob do would do witness tampering over the phone. I'm sorry. I just think that might be a step too stupid. I think he would, but I also think that he wouldn't with, um, Baddandi. Yeah. Good point.

Yeah. Cause you can't trust him not to say, oh, I was witness tampered. Yeah. It's chaos. 02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:05,200 Yeah. Yeah. So now the question comes up.

When did you last speak to Alex? Oh boy. And this is a revelation. 2014. When was the last time you communicated in any way with Alex Jones? Uh, oh, uh, over a year ago. And what was that communication about? Wait after his deposition, uh, because I was, you know, what it looked like to me

at first was like, it's pulled me down the river and all that. And he called me, uh, to, you know, to explain what was going on, you know, and, uh. Mr. Jones called you after his deposition? Yeah. He just told me to stay off the media with the stuff. Like don't go on cause making Kelly word him and, you know, with a trapment basically. Yeah. Don't go on making Kelly a show.

I mean, which was, uh, disgusting. I mean, so he told me to stay in the media, that contact shoot to talk about standing up to say no, but that to protect yourself. So let me make sure I understand. He called you about a year ago after his deposition. Yeah. Like about a week, not even less than a week after his deposition. Okay.

And you understood that he was calling you because it may have appeared to you that he sold you down the river and his deposition. Yes. So this is more mob stuff. Alex operates. I like some kind of a weird dawn, but he doesn't use burner phones. Oh, insane. Yeah, insane.

Hey, you don't snitch calling him. So don't talk to, don't say shit. I'm sorry. Excuse me, sir. Are you saying in this deposition that the main defendant called you following a deposition? Well, so in his deposition, Alex tried to downplay severely. His involvement with Baddandi was barely an employee. I don't really know the guy, you know, like, yeah.

And so he was calling essentially because Baddandi was mad about that characterization of their relationship. So Alex had to do damage control and at the same time be like, Hey, also don't talk to anybody. Yeah, that's a media comes knocking. You're not home. That is such a weird line. That's a weird thread, you know, because you have to, I mean, you're going to try and

smooth things over because you want him to stay quiet, you know, but you also have to be like, if you talk, I'll kill you, you know, like that kind of thing. Here's what's fascinating about this. But Dondie's experience of it is the same as his firing. It's like Alex was calling because he felt bad about how he had characterized. What a good guy. What a good guy. It's so weird.

You know what? He didn't need to do that. He didn't need to call me on some level. Dude's an optimist. I know he thinks he thinks Alex called him because he was friend. He was. Yes, definitely. Man, that is such a bummer.

Yeah. So yeah, that's just damage control shit. You understood that he was calling you because it may have appeared to you that he sold you down the river in his deposition. Yes. Sold you down the river. How? Well, he was just denying I worked for him.

Then Rob do like he did not get to him and Rob do they got different things he didn't understand what Rob do is communication that's already in the depositions. I don't need to repeat this stuff. You know what I mean? No, yeah, but the fact that he under perceived he was worried you may have perceived he was selling you down the river is not in the deposition. So that's what I'm asking is what it is that he was concerned about. He's concerned that, yeah, like, you know, he thought I thought he sold me down.

I mean, yeah, I showed him down the river. So he called to clarify that up and it's like it wasn't the case and it was a misunderstanding and we worked out how I mean, and. Okay, so he was concerned that you may have thought about hearing of his deposition that he had sold you down the river by suggesting that you hadn't really worked there, right? And he also instructed you that if anybody contacted you about Sandy Hook, not to say anything. Yes, the mainstream media. Did he say the media or just say anybody?

Media mainstream. So it's notable that Alex doesn't disclose this until he's asked about it. Yeah. In the other deposition. He's like, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. This is shady, and Badani doesn't realize it's so shady, just like with the texting and deleting. Like he doesn't realize what he's saying is is like almost probably shocking to for a lawyer to hear, like what you're telling me that the Alex, the person who this case is against,

what you're telling me that the Alex, the person who this case is against, contacted you to smooth things out with you about things he said in the deposition and also told you not to talk to the mainstream media. Yeah. This is. Dan, let me ask you a question. This is evidence. Have you ever seen Law and Order or LA Law or Boston Legal or any number of movies?

The Lincoln lawyer, a few good men, you name it, and they're there. And in every law show, they're like, don't tamper with the witness because it's going to look bad. No matter what contacting Badani, especially since it had probably been a long time since they had spoken, is a very inappropriate act on Alex's part. No, if you know the context of their relationship, just the call is witness tampering. It feels like, at least the intent is, I don't want you to be mad at me because if you're mad at me, it's more likely that you'll say things that are disadvantageous to me. So I'm trying to smooth things out and at the same time tell you to shut up.

Right. But I can't just tell you to shut up because that seems so aggressive. It's very bad. Look, Megyn Kelly lured me into the situation. It's bad things happen when you talk to the media. I'm looking out for you. Oh, that's how nice of you. And also, you're my best friend again.

I'd also like you to talk to my friend who's a lawyer. Oh my God. Did you acknowledge that you had felt a little bit like he had misrepresented your affiliation with InfoHorse? Yeah. Oh, yeah. I watched that one. I mean, I think one of his lawyers or whoever was next to him at the time.

And he was like, you know, I told him, it's like, I felt I was so low. I told him, you know, and he said, no, this is what happened, blah, blah, blah. And he got to stay off the meter and all that. And, you know, he goes, we would never think that over. You know, we dig very highly of you. And he put me on the pedestal. Oh my God. And so I can't.

I mean, I don't want to talk about him. I mean, I thought it was a miscommunication. He did clear it up. And that was it. And we talked about each other's children. And yeah, that's about it. There's a miscommunication. There's no big deal.

He said, I'm like Paul Revere. I mean, yeah, that is. It's a little sad. Spectacular. It's a bummer. It is. It is. On a human level, it's a bummer.

Yes, on a human level, it's a huge bummer. It's pretty funny because these people are these people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But apropos of nothing, if you just heard this about like, I don't know, high schoolers interacting, you'd be sad. Yep. Yep. Godly.

So we have one last clip here and it's just again, like, Dan can't understand how he's being treated. Yeah. And it's, it's outrageous. You believe that Mr. Jones was misrepresenting his relationship and his company's relationship with you? I don't know. I mean, Paul Guy has been under the gun.

He's discussing what they're doing with his poor man. And you know, you can't expect the guy, like, he's got so much things going on. He can't expect the man to be like with questions and answers and all that. So, I mean, in his defense, you know what I mean? And we just saw people here try to do our jobs to the rest of his country. In the meantime, while trying to support our civil liberties, you know what I mean? And ask the questions. And that's the whole general fact about all this.

And you said his lawyer was with him at the time? Yeah, he, because I briefly talked to the gentlemen. I did give them my contact information. He said they came up other than that. I forgot the person's name, but that's it. I'm willing to bet Alex had his lawyer. So he'd have like confidentiality. Yeah.

He'd have the privilege to not have to disclose a conversation with his lawyer. Yeah, totally. But yeah, he's under a lot of stress, man. He lied about our interaction and the nature of my employment there. Because he's just so stressed out. That's not. He's got a lot going on right now. So he, he perjured himself in the deposition of all the excuses one could have for a person's

behavior. He was stressed out. So he perjured himself in this deposition to make it look like it was way more my fault. The things that happened that he wasn't even really involved with me at all. Right. But he's a good guy. You know, he's just looking out. He's worried about me.

Right. It is, it is strange that Dan Badandi did not realize that Alex called to to say that he didn't want to pin things on him because Alex did want to pin things on him. Right. And that was why he was doing it. And he realized like maybe in hindsight that in order for it to work, he's have to smooth some things out. He's going to have to have Bongino or Badandi on board.

Yeah. Or at least not working across purposes. Right. But what he didn't know was that regardless of Badandi's intentions, Badandi's going to do. That's just what's going to happen. Yeah. Yep. So we come to the end of this deposition and I mean something else.

I think it's interesting to get a glimpse of his, his personality on more display. Yeah. Because, you know, there is that sincerity aspect that you sort of put your finger on. And I think, I think there's something to that. And then at the same time, like whether it's kayfabe or whether it's just like who he is, there is an unwillingness to not yell about like, I will not shut up. I mean, you can't silence me. I don't respect the courts in a way that I don't think a lot of these other people have

necessarily, you know, held up. It's, I, I just, I mean, it's hard to, I like, I want to use the word naive. I feel like naive is such a good word for him. I think in terms of his interaction with Alex, there's a naivete for sure. Totally. And his interaction with Chris, like the way he describes Alex shaking his hand and telling him he's so amazing before he gets fired. That's like he met Bill Clinton.

That's naive. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Man, it's, it's sad. I don't like feel, I don't like people who are manipulated, who clearly cannot get out of it. And also suck, you know, like he sucks.

Yeah, he's, he's awful. He does shit work and he puts really bad stuff out that hurts people into the sort of information space. So it's, it's, it's more complicated to have pathos in the mix. But when he's describing these interactions with Alex that are like, everything was so great, he called me Paul Revere, like all this, it's harder to like really feel that empathy. But it's also hard not to, he's a human. Yeah.

Alex is fucking with him. Yeah. Cause here's the problem. Here's the problem with this type of shit, right? He has the proverbial it coming, right? Yeah. But the it he has coming shouldn't take this form. This is weird.

This is cruel and unusual punishment. Well, no, to make him think he's Alex's friend. That's me. But that's not, that's not the law. And that is not this case doing that. That's Alex doing that to him. Right. He doesn't have that coming.

No, exactly. And you'd wish that there would be a moment of like being able to see through that bullshit in the way Alex is acting and like taking accounting of his actual actions and be able to be helpful to illuminate better what Alex was doing, the machinations of it, the way that people were intentionally pushing this stuff. Cause Bidandi is a part of it. He was there. He, I'm sure on some level he knows, but doesn't want to touch that part of himself

or allow it to be expressed because of, you know, why would you want to burn somebody who thinks you're Paul Revere? Exactly. It's hard. It's, it's crazy. I think that the one thing that will not leave me ever from this is that did you write the tweet, YouTube wrote the tweet? I don't know how that happened.

That who's on first will frustrate me probably for the rest of my life. I'm so mad at everyone in these depositions for doing the exact same thing sooner or later, which is trying to somehow obfuscate in a way that they think will outsmart. Don't play word games with a lawyer. I mean, just don't. It's not a good idea. It's not hard not to. Yep.

Yep. So, uh, we come to the end of this and, uh, yeah, Dondie got deposed. The Kraken has got to go back in the cage. He has been, uh, returned. Yes. Returned to his, uh, his whole. Yep. We'll be back with another episode on Friday and I believe that it'll be unpleasant again.

So prepare, uh, your emotional state accordingly. Yeah, that sounds right. But we'll be back then and we have a website. Indeed we do. But real quick, I, I just want to apologize, uh, the, uh, on our last episode, uh, I made repeated references to, uh, uh, Fuentes, uh, uh, performing oral sex on Kanye. And, uh, it was brought to my attention, uh, that I was a real big offensive asshole, uh, that, uh, I'm, and apparently it was coded language.

And now I'm a home, uh, it is bad. Yeah. There's a homophobic and misogynistic implications. And I appreciate you bringing that up. Yeah. Uh, I appreciate you, uh, um, saying something, uh, because it was, you know, I was, I was wrong, uh, the end. Certainly.

I'm glad that you were throwing this in two hours and 40 minutes and that's supposed to, well, there was no easy time to bring it up in the beginning. Certainly not your bright spot. I know, right? I mean, we, and then we went straight into the, so how did I bring it in? You know, I know, I know, I know, but I had to. Yeah. And I, I, I appreciate you bringing it up because I, I think it is important and I

didn't want to, uh, force you into saying something. No, no, no. We talked before the episode, but I didn't think it was my place to be like, do you have something to say? No, no, no. Like a scolding parent or something. Are you, are you ready to come out of the corner, Jordan? Yeah.

So I appreciate that. No, yeah. I was, uh, I was wrong. I'll be better today. And, uh, we are on Twitter. Yeah. It's that knowledge underscore fight. Yeah.

We'll be back, but until then I'm Nio, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. Look, there'll be another bit at some point. I feel like the WikiLeaks bit has really run its course. Um, I mean, that sounds true, uh, but I will let you know in a lot of circumstances, this would be an undersold way of me trying to sort of bridge into tricking you into reading the WikiLeaks place where in this case, that is not the case. Oh God damn. You know what's fun about that though?

What's that? I got them right here. I just got a text. Same difference. What the hell is this? What happened? You got to read this. Read this text.

God damn it. It's the WikiLeaks. Look, it was a low effort. Yep. You tried. Uh, yeah, yeah. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.