Knowledge Fight - #755: Ye Takes a Sip of (Mc)Guinness

Episode Date: December 9, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan continue to track the ongoing political campaign of Ye, and how it relates to Alex Jones and his career.  In this installment, another right-wing fraud attempts to sanitize Ye's bigotry, Alex formally responds to the aftermath of his interview, and Nick Fuentes calls Alex out about how his formal response is nonsense.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I'm dead. We're going to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed. We are Dan Jordan, Dan Jordan. I have a quick question for you today. So what's your bright spot today? Well, my bright spot today is I have some people probably have noticed this, but I have transformed my Instagram account that was about plants right to now a library based Instagram account. I believe it's library underscore fight. Okay. And I posted a couple of things from the library on there and I've been getting some some nice response. All right. The latest one that I posted was the

first edition copy that I got of the John Franklin letters, which of course is widely believed and understood to have been written by reveal OP Oliver, the one of the founding members of the John Birch Society, who was a inspiration to William Luther Pierce, right? I don't know why you're telling us things that we all already know. Everyone knows this information. It's widely discussed in schools and it's not look, it's not like this is a first edition. It's like super expensive or anything. It's not like a treasure, but in some ways, I grew up really liking books and I love sort of the solid book thing. I don't know. And to have a first edition of something has always felt like aspirational.

Oh, I'm telling you, when somebody sent me the first edition of Good Heavens, no, Hitchhiker's Guide. That's that's mind boggling. I still will sometimes look over about it. I don't even know if that's real. Yeah. Yeah. I it's it's something that's in my like sort of sphere of study and it's a it's a it's a document. It's a it's an antique. Yes, something connection to a past. Yeah. And there's there's something really great about that. Yeah, it's as awful of a book as it is. I'll probably talk about the book at some point sooner or later. I will be when it becomes relevant. Yeah. Anyway, what's your bright spot? My bright spot is you know how I love the speed running of the video games. You do. I like though I like to watch the live events kind of

thing. I found this guy, Matako, who's a Northern Irish streamer who did a 22 hour Final Fantasy Nine Garnet only run. Oh, shit. And I know I know that makes that sounds like the nerdiest thing that you could say. It's great. I don't even know what it means. Exactly. I don't I don't think it sounds that nerdy. I just don't know what it means. Well, so Final Fantasy Nine is an extremely long game. Right. And I assumed that part. Right. Right. Right. And you play with four characters. Garnet one of the characters one of the main characters. You bet. Yeah. You only play as them. You only play with her. Okay. Which means you have to kill all your other party members every time before you start a battle. And for 90% of the game, she is the weakest, most useless

character. Example being in this run. All right. On purpose, you have to fight a fight for about 45 minutes. Sure. And all you do is hold X for 45 minutes. That's a whole fight. It's horrendous. It sounds tough to speed run. Exactly. Exactly. And so what happens is it turns into an absolute chaos fest of, you know, like everybody slowly losing their minds from lack of sleep. Everybody's like, what are we doing? This is we're just holding X for 45 minutes. This has to be a show in some form. You know, it's it's that it's that creation of chaos that I love so so much. Sure. And it's great. So check it out. I don't think I will because I'm just watching somebody hold a button for 45 minutes. You don't even know you don't even know you don't know. So here's another good

reason. Northern Irish accent. Fantastic. Sure. Love it. I'll give you that much. Love it. I do think that I find some speed running interesting to watch because I like games and you know, like sometimes just fun to watch somebody play a game. Sure. But I only want to hear about speed running basically when it comes to things that have like a lot of glitches and stuff. Right. Right. Right. Because watching somebody beat something really fast with these glitches and things, it's like interesting. It's interesting, I guess, but it's not fun to watch. Oh, OK. Hearing about it is kind of interesting. That's fair. And maybe somebody explaining what these glitches are is helpful. Right. But like, I don't know. I don't want to watch Mario go through a wall or some shit. That's

also why I can't really just watch like one of the regular streams or the like, you know, people sitting alone at home playing the video game as fast as they can and practicing over. That's why I like to watch the big live events because it ultimately there. It's like, well, we're speed running, but it's a show. Right. You know, it's a show. You don't want to watch a scrimmage. Exactly. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. That's a really good way of putting it. I am pithy. Yeah. That's wise. So Jordan, today I apologized right before we started recording. That was real. That was a real emotional uppercut right there. I was about to hit the record button. I turned to Jordan and said, sorry in advance. And before you could respond, I hit the face off. And the reason for that is

we're talking a little bit more about Yay and Nick Fuentes. Great. Great. So there have been developments. There's more developments. There have been. Yes. So the first thing is that Yay and Nick have been making the rounds more. Sure. The second thing is that Alex has spoken out about what happened. Great. And then Nick has responded to Alex is speaking out. And so we're going to discuss this trinity of nonsense. Right. Right. Right. Right. In this episode here today. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. So first, Bilbo Baggins boobs. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, Hottlesby Hottington, the third by way of Raptor Princess Bex. Thank you so much. You're

now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Hi. My name is Christian Tom, but not a boy named Tom who happens to be a Christian, but rather a boy named Christian who happens to be a Tom. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Jill Jill, my Canadian darling. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. This person said that they were moving to Chicago. And if they see us, they can ask if they could say hi. Yes. I will say for you. Sure. Yeah. But not me because if you see me, you're probably in my apartment. Yeah, that's mostly don't say hi. Get out of my apartment. Get out of here. Yeah. So that's a shoe. If I

happen to be in public and you see me, fine. Go for it. Next. Where do I type a funny message for Dan to read aloud? Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. That person called us the car talk of Alex Jones and I resent that. That is very annoying. And finally, Sarai named after the capital of Mongol Golden Horde in Europe because your purr sounds as loud as a thousand angry horsemen riding towards your city to burn it to the ground. Thank you so much. You're now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. For a cat. Yeah. That sounds right. Yeah. So Jordan, in a perfect world, we would never have to talk about this stuff ever again. Yeah, I was hoping that we were done. Yeah. Yeah. The

public would recognize that. Yeah, isn't saying anything new or interesting that Nick Fuentes is engaged in a large scale political project slash publicity stunt geared at further mainstream and Catholic fascism as a viable political entity. And that Alex Jones and all of his ilk are complicit in all of this. In a better world, people would see these kinds of actions as disqualifying and these actors would be cast off the stage of public life for the crime of being poor stewards of the public attention. But we live in a shitty world and you can spout anti somatic shit for a month and none of this stops. In that time, he did an interview with Tucker Carlson that was so offensive that Tucker had to edit out large parts of it. So the clips that he

did play match the narratives that he wanted to sell to his audience. He did an interview with Tim Pool where he stormed out after 20 minutes because pool wouldn't say that the Jews were out to get yay. He did a three hour stretch on Info Wars where he denied the Holocaust twice and constantly rebuked any of Alex's attempts to help sanitize his clearly anti somatic bullshit. And all of this isn't enough to make him a persona non grata in the right wing because there's still something they want from him. Like Nick, they see the utility in associating with a lunatic bigot and there are two major reasons for that which we're going to discuss in greater detail today through two recent shows. And then just for fun, we'll listen to Nick shit on Alex.

Okay. All right. The first video is one that Gavin McGinnis put out, which is supposed to be the first episode of a show that he wants to do called Saving Yay. I'm not sure if that idea that he has for is like to be a series. I don't know if that's a joke or not, but Gavin does say it at one point. It seems like the kind of thing he would do. The second piece we're going to look at is an interview that Alex did on Louder with Crowder, where Crowder announced that Alex was breaking his silence on the Yay interview. What? That's not really accurate, but who cares? Oh my God. Each of these two documents illustrates one of the dynamics that make Yay and Nick's current media campaign incredibly important for them to engage in and ultimately also reveal how bad of

an idea it is for these right wing figures to be getting involved at all. Apologies in advance for making you and the listeners hear Gavin and Crowder's voices, but in some ways it's not my fault. It's not all my fault. I mean, partially my fault. I mean, you know, there are arguments to be made on both sides. I look, I accept some responsibility, but just not all of it. Right. Right. So we're going to start with McGinnis's show. And I want to say that I'm not going to cover most of the episode. Maybe I'll cover a bit, but he apparently has sent copyright strikes to get Hasan Piker's stream shut down for covering this, but that's not really my concern. That's not really why I'm worried. Right. We're well within the territory of fair use. And if Gavin wants to elevate our

stature among his audience, that really only works against his interests. So go fuck yourself. No, no, no. I think he should have a joke off with me. Let's find out who's got the chops. I'm just not going to play a ton of the stuff that's in that episode, partially because some of it is very repetitious of the stuff that Yay said on the info wars interview. And then a lot of it is just bad attempts on Gavin's part to be funny. And I don't really care to engage with that necessarily. Man, see, that's the type of thing that frustrates me because if it was a mad TV sketch in the nineties, that makes perfect sense. Like a facsimile of Gavin McGinnis and a facsimile of Yay doing a show together where it's like, I have to try and figure out how to make

this incredibly famous black person, not a white supremacist. How do I do this? That's a mad TV sketch in the nineties to two anti summites and a guy who started a street gang walking to a bar. Exactly. 100%. 100%. So anyway, here we go. This is the beginning where Gavin kind of gives a little bit of his, his syllabus, I guess this is what he wants to achieve. Welcome to the first episode of saving Yay, where I am going to prevent Yay West from becoming an anti-Semite or a Nazi. I'm going to talk him off the ledge and bring him back to the understanding that our problem is liberal elites of all races. Kamala Harris is a major problem. Barack Obama is a major, Barack Obama is what started this whole mess, I would argue. We weren't really into racism before

he came along. So I want to go over there and say anti-Semitism is a rut. So there's two important points here in this opening from Gavin. The first is that he has some kind of sense that racism early wasn't much of a thing before Obama and that isn't even something Gavin believes or should be taken seriously as a point he's making. That's pandering to his racist audience that wants to believe that even if they have fucked up racist beliefs that are abhorred by the larger population, they only have them because a black man became president and made them become racist. Obama was instigating their racism. It's a load of shit, but there's actually something interesting about this formulation that he's putting forth. When Obama became president, it didn't create this

new racism, but a lot of people used racist ideas to contextualize their political opposition to Obama. In the time of his presidency, the attacks on Obama intensified in terms of their racist content, and a lot of that was because of the hard work of people like Alex. Racist ideas were Trojan Horst into criticisms of Obama and the demagogues would insist that they weren't racist at all. They just didn't like the policies of this president. Wow, being flagrantly racist. Yeah, when they combined politics and racism into one thing, it did not occur to them that later on they would continue to be the same thing. They thought they could take them away again. They could take them apart again. Cocky. Yeah. And over time, these racist ideas were more mainstreamed

to the point where it was completely acceptable for Trump to make a name for himself in politics by insisting Obama's birth certificate was fake. It was a normal thing for Alex to do stories about how he thought Michelle was a man and routinely called her Michael. People like Ted Nugent were heralded as legitimate people to take seriously when he did things like speculate that it would have been better if the South had won the Civil War or when he said that black communities have a quote mindless tendency toward violence. During the Obama presidency in the rise of the Tea Party, the right wing realized and exploited the political capital of using racism to rile up their base to hate the black president. So in those years, it probably did feel like there was a whole new

racism thing going on, but it was the product of the right wing unleashing stuff that had been there for a long time and the product of gradual normalization carried out by media figures exactly like Alex and Gavin and quite literally Alex himself. Yeah. Not people like Alex. Yeah. No, no, no. For example, Alex. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way you put it. As they began this campaign of dealing with yay and Nick Fuentes, they should really take a moment to reflect on how fucking stupid it sounds to say that racism became a thing because of Obama unless they're actually just trying to push Nazi shit in which case they just keep doing what they're doing. They're they're killing it. Yeah. This brings me to the other point here. This is this is important

to understand. Gavin is not trying to talk yay out of being anti-Semitic. He's engaging in exactly the same fools errand that Alex was trying at the end of last week. He's going to try to convince you to use different words and couch his comments in somewhat respectable and plausibly deniable language so they can get insanely rich together while pushing hate. Yay is an incredible business opportunity for anyone who can manage to pull that off. But none of these people seem to realize that he's not interested in that at all. He and Nick understand that's what people like Alex and Gavin are doing and they know they're not interested. So they're essentially just showing up for the free publicity and to spread their hate message to whatever audience they can get

in front of. Yay won't do this talk with Gavin where he's going to try and talk him off the ledge off camera because the only reason to do it is to do it publicly. And because it has to be done publicly, Gavin has to use bullshit pretenses to approach the conversation. He can't just say, hey, be kind of anti-Semitic and we'll do a lot of business together. He has to pretend that he's trying to talk a out of anti-Semitism. If you watch this and you think Gavin has any sincere principled opposition to anti-Semitism, I have some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell you. That's a George. Wait a second. Wait a second. What? I'm not good at geography, but I think that Arizona is landlocked. It is. That's a George. Okay. All right. All right. Now

I'm getting old country song. Okay. Those country guys are very clever. Sure. For some reason, I thought it was, I headed in my head is oceanfront property in San Anton. Oh, but that and he's going to be an Amarillo by Amarillo by morning. That's why that's why no traffic is really terrible. These things. I don't think he's going to make it. He's going to be looking for eight when they pull that gate. I hope that judge ain't blind. Amarillo by morning. Amarillo's all my, my free. Any excuse I can to wind you up towards singing. Lost my saddle in Houston. All right. Now I need an excuse to wind you down. All right. So here's a little bit more of Gavin discussing his pretense. Sure. They're a tenacious bunch. They are successful whites.

I think Jews are doing well because they're just whites that don't drink. If I didn't drink, I'd be president by now. So my goal here is just to get him out of what I fear. Well, he's in is, which is the rut of antisemitism, where if it rains on your birthday, you know, we see this attract in the hood going. Whites are preventing me from doing anything. I can't be, I could go to school and get a PhD in accounting. I'd never have a job because of racism. So it's a crippling mentality and it's not intellectually, it's not intellectually adventurous to have a blame group and Jews have done a lot of good things for all movements, including like racial realism. Anyway, it's tall order and he might shut me down, but you got to try, right? Got to try.

All right. Should we start? They say it's a hopeless fight, but I say I got to try. I'm going to keep singing. It's for speeches like that, that the word Defenestrate was created, you know, like, I don't think he's anywhere near a window though. It sounded like he was in the car when he was recording that. Defenestrate someone from a car. You could throw him right out the front windshield. I mean, it's going to be hard. It's going to be hard. That is not why they created that word. That's why they created that word. I swear to you. Specifically not for car situations. It was why Defenestrate was made. So it appears that Gavin's approach is going to involve explaining to you that Jews aren't all that bad because there have been Jewish people

who have helped establish his school of pseudoscientific racism. Got him. This seems like a solid plan. Do you think for a second that Nick hasn't rambled endlessly at Nick or at yay about race realist ideas by this point? That's one of his big things. Nick is into race realism. Yeah. He's got this base covered, buddy. Hey, come on, yay. You can't hate the Jews. The Jews are racist too sometimes. We can all do it. What brings us together? I'm going to guess that Gavin's talking about folks like Richard Hernstein, who was Douglas Murray's co-author on the widely discredited book The Bell Curve, which is pretty foundational as a text for race realists. There may be other figures that he's thinking of too, but whatever the case, this is a losing point to make for a

wide audience. And it's a losing point if you want to try and bring this to yay as some kind of a way to reel him in. Yeah. Silly. I mean, it's just it's it's pathetic as a premise because you're never going to be able to sell it. You're just not. He's not selling to me right now. Obviously, you're not going to convince the guy I just watched go on info wars deny the Holocaust that anti-Semitism is bad. That's not going to happen. You know it and I know it. And it's definitely not going to happen on the show. Yeah. And I think that Gavin might have a little hubris here because he might be drunk. He said he had a Bloody Mary. And I don't know if he had one. Well, I mean, you know, the normal amount of Bloody Marys to drink is one

at like 10 in the morning. Unless you're at some brunch place that has like a flight. Well, I mean, you say different kinds of Bloody Marys. Maybe you want to try the spicy one. But every time a restaurant has been like, oh, we've got bottomless Bloody Mary, somebody goes and interviews. Yeah, about anti-Semitism. So, you know, we're dealing with a double-edged sword. Keep it in the bottomless Mamosa territory. Yes. So we start this, this interview off and it's there's similarities between the way that the, you know, the attempts are robust. So this is a, this is Saturday afternoon, two days after the info wars interview. And I was just telling you before we started filming that we were watching it at home and

Ryan and I were just looking at each other about every 20 minutes. We look at each other and just go, like, this is a big deal. We can use this man. It was an offend. And I think. Let's turn a human being into a product. I mean, the spectrum of reactions, of course. And the biggest reaction, the most positive one is it's the craziest, most punk rock thing since the Sex Pistols got kicked off the Bill Grundy show. But on the other end of the spectrum, people are saying this is, this is bad for a presidential campaign, say the least. Where do you stand on that spectrum? I think it's awesome for a presidential campaign. Yeah. To have someone that's honest, that understands the state of the world

and that's ready to listen to what the American people need. The Hitler's got a pretty bad reputation. Well, who made that reputation? That was made by Jewish people. Well, the murdering Jews was a pretty big part of his bad reputation. Yeah, but some of it's incorrect. Oh boy. So you might have noticed his voice is muffled because he's wearing the mask. Yeah, I've already assumed that the mask is just never coming off. Yeah, it's his thing now. Also, if you think you're gonna come into an interaction with yay and say, Hey, you know, Hitler killed a lot of people and expect that to mean anything or advance your point at all, you're either a fucking idiot or you're

carrying water for yay and his Hitler campaign. Gavin's first point that he wants to make to yay is a compliment and then some subtle tone policing. He's calling the interview that he did with Alex punk rock and then dropping a reminder that it's probably not good for his campaign. This is a classic approach of the you did a great job, but here's how you do it better, except the person he's talking to is comically rich a million times more famous than Gavin, and doesn't give a shit about his advice about how to do his racism better. Why the fuck would a yay take advice from Gavin on how to be a public racist? He's one of the most embarrassing examples of public racist that we've seen come up in the last five or six years. Yeah, he's

he's a he's an embarrassment to the racist. Yeah, I mean, it seems very difficult to take advice from somebody like Gavin. Whenever you're a super famous wearing a mask person just wandering on to places telling people that Hitler is cool and they still invite you on. Yeah. And you're just some asshole who invented vice and then everybody hates you forever and now you're the guy who did the proud boys. You you are somebody who's going around and making a campaign of being a completely inflammatory anti-Semitic holocaust denying piece of shit. Yeah. And people are still inviting you onto their show and you are you think that for a second that person is going to take the advice of the person who's still inviting them on the show? I mean it's ridiculous. It is it is a

little bit it is a little bit like you know that that relationship where you fall in love with somebody but then the more you're with them you more you're like oh you should wear this and oh you should wear this and then five years later it's a different person and you wonder why you don't love them anymore and it's because you're trying to change the thing that made you want them in the first place and that is that yay loves Hitler that's why you invited him on. You can't change his mind then he won't come on your show. Right. And also it's not really punk rock. I mean like his example is like the Sex Pistols getting kicked off a show. Yay didn't get kicked off a show. It didn't do anything that was really that transgressive except a public opinion.

Alex didn't really have that much of a problem with it. I just have to say Nazi punks fuck off. I feel like that's the most punk rock thing you can say. That's fair enough. So apparently yay has expanded the sphere of influence that the Jews have over society. We all know the wait yay did it. Well we know that there's the classic tropes of the banks and Hollywood and stuff. Sure. But apparently there's more that's under the control. Great. Jewish people control the majority of the media along with banks along with real estate along with you know malls. They can control the narrative like history is written by the winners. They were upset that Hitler was kicking them out of the country.

By the time I mean the Holocaust there's only 250,000 Jews left or really diving into it here. I mean yeah let's get into real information at this point. You know what do they think we're going to happen. Matter of fact it's like I think that I think the Jews are like really I think the Jewish like Massad and Rami Manuel and BB Netanyahu and all of them I think they really got soft out here. Like I'm getting to walk around and say the truth out loud. You know oh no they got him dropping headphones over here. So it's really fun to learn that apparently malls are an anti-Semitic conspiracy trigger. I'll add that to the pile. Shopping malls. You know this is the thing that it seems like on its face is is just easy to see through like

okay you're telling me that Jews control all of that stuff but every time I see people who actually control it they won't shut the fuck up about how they control it like mall barons railroad barons all these guys are constantly like we fucking own this shit do what you say I haven't seen anybody do that. Well the the mall thing it has to do with like you have to piece this together from context clues of various rants that he's been going on and this has to do with he wanted to have like a retail shop. He wanted to be like to have a store that was put in malls and apparently somebody at some corporation was like we'll give you a trial. We'll run one and he didn't think that was big enough. He wanted to be all over the place and have his own store. Yeah that sounds

right and I think he's blaming the Jews for that. All right so this is like an escape room but at the end of every clue it's the Jews fault. Yeah I think that he would solve it very quickly if it was that big like if that was what the escape room was. Yeah I think he would get there awful quick. I think that Ye should reflect on what he's saying. He thinks that Mossad and Netanyahu have gotten soft because they haven't killed him yet and maybe it's not that anyone's gotten soft it's that Ye believes an anti-Semitic conspiracy that anyone who questions the Jews gets killed by their amazing assassination teams. Maybe people aren't killed for being bigots but bigots are pretty consistently obsessed with how someone is going to kill them for speaking their false

truths. A larger point is that Ye is once again engaging in Holocaust denial and getting no push back from the people hosting him who are presumably there to talk him out of his anti-Semitism. The census that was taken in Germany in June 1933 put the Jewish population of Germany at approximately 505,000 people. This was when the Nazis took power and in the intervening years many Jewish people did flee but no matter what number you cite for the Jewish population in Germany it's important to remember that the Nazis were expansionist and they held territory beyond one country's borders. Notably the Nazis occupied Poland where the population of Jews went from 3.3 million to approximately 380,000 after the war. It seems pretty clear here that Ye has gotten

some pretty elementary basic Holocaust denial memes and talking points most likely from Nick and now he's going to go on a campaign of repeating them as loudly as he can whenever he's given a chance to talk and folks like Gavin are hoping to get in on the scam. Only they don't realize it's not a scam and they're being useful idiots to help anti-Semitism spread. It's uh it's really bad. Yeah yeah it feels it feels like they are so dumb but in in a way of like well we're just doing what we're always do this is what we do this is what we do this is what we do with other scam people yeah yeah you're supposed you're part of the scam now yeah and you're supposed to be doing the thing and despite the fact that they've seen other people fail they keep going

to him and being like well obviously but that's because Alex sucks I'm Gavin McGinnis I created the Proud Boys so I'm gonna make a series of talking Ye off the the ledge that he's not on like he's not on a ledge he's jumped he's he's flying that's the problem he's falling down and nobody is there's no ground the jokes on you Gavin oh man yeah the point is when he hits the ground it's going to hurt a lot yeah yeah and not just him no so uh Gavin has some thoughts yeah he doesn't care I'm gonna have an intervention here for you and oh fuck off let me just make a case I don't know you yes there are uh almost 80 to 90 of Hollywood is Jewish probably more what you already yeah I'm gonna say like 80 percent of media is Jewish but I I mean I see the Jews

were talking about these cases as liberal elites high IQ people whites and when you have like they they're disproportionately represented in medicine too because they have high IQs so the problem isn't these these Jews that when most of them are secular Jews atheists I don't see Soros as Jewish so we have these secular mostly atheists you decide with high just dominate based on your views they're they're overrepresented in chess and mathematics too so the real issue here and there is an ethnomascism there is some sort of like let's burn it to the ground but I think that trait is a white trait a liberal elite white trait oh not even white per se a liberal elite trait Kamala Harris Barack Obama they also have these traits and there's some sort of like lemming

DNA in white people where when they reach a certain amount of success they just want to take it off a cliff and I don't like when Jews get pulled into that because when I think of my Orthodox Jewish friends and and even my Hasidic friends these people are conservative Trump supporting you know American patriots and the Jews that are getting lumped in with this sort of ethnomascistic cultural suicide tend not really to be Jewish I call them Ginos Jews in name only it's liberal elite whites you should have a beef with yeah but I lump them all in together that's what I did that's okay that's good that's why the tweet said that Jewish people okay but this trait like you know blacks are overrepresented in violent crime but when you meet an individual black person

you don't apply that you start with a fresh slate every time you meet someone do you do that with Jews nope this intervention isn't going very well that's because by no means is it an intervention no not even the slightest bit you you yourself in your question are like well yeah obviously Jews are the problem but it's not like 100% it's like 85 we can be cool right and let's call it liberal elites or something right it's a marketing meeting yeah we're branding we're figuring out how to brand which is ironic considering what we're talking about yes and it's just like yeah he does not give a shit absolutely want to play these games with him he's saying what he's saying and you like the only people who seem to not be accepting what the

reality of this is are people like Alex people like Tim pool people like Gavin and it's because they want that business opportunity that comes from yay moderating his message right and becoming part of their business and their revenue stream right right I mean the unspoken question that they can never have because it's too obvious is the well yes yay you are pointing out what racism is to us and we also understand that but what you're missing is that uh even we aren't racist we just want money you understand so when you classify all people we all we are racist oh well for sure we also are we it's a little bit more important to run this scam and keep that moving but and we prioritize running the scam through facilitating and pushing racism right but there

is a point at which it crosses a line and it is no longer good for business right what I mean what I'm saying is we're trying to tell you yay that despite racism being an absolute you know you believe that races are a thing and that's inarguable right but we don't actually believe that our beliefs are fungible based on benefit for us personally so while you think that racism is important we think money is important and then we'll lie about racism for fun um I the only thing I take issue with is I do think that there's still a sincere interest in racism yeah I know it's not all it's not all uh just because it's advantageous for the business right but the irony of them talking to yay is yay is being a racist right he's not using coded language he's not trying to hide it

whatsoever and that means that when you talk to him if he says no I lump them all in together you're supposed to say that's how it goes that's what races that's what we're doing too but instead he's somehow being like listen all Jews are bad except for like five percent see I'm not racist like that's insane right and and as you were sort of reacting to like and I get to determine who yeah that guy's not Jewish because I said so so I don't have to be racist towards him racism makes sense I can make up my own distinctions that allow me to argue that I'm not actually the thing everyone knows I am yeah like the no true Scotsman applies to you on everything yeah yeah so uh look I think that there is an issue where we're just not going to necessarily uh sort of call out and discuss every

single stupid thing that yay or Gavin says that's not possible uh so apologies in advance for that but uh here's just some grievances that yay has that I think are kind of dumb sure and my mom was a liberal and she went to a state school called Chicago state and she they gave her a job there and put me on a south put us on the south side of Chicago on 79th street my experience right has brought me to be the richest you know black man of all time a multi-billionaire and the people at Adidas they wouldn't even take meetings with me and I was 68% of their online sales and brought Adidas back and then I when I was in the Kardashian family I had no say so on where we had Christmas there was only one time that even got to design the Christmas party what why is this in your list

of complaints they did the family that I married into didn't let me decide the Christmas party enough yep what yeah yeah I seems a little petty I just don't think we should convince people that they're the messiah I just don't think we should do it anymore I think we should try and you know first hand rain it back yeah yeah it's a bad move it causes problems for not just you but everyone really yeah yeah so there's a collusion going on among Jews according to these folk who are in this interview and apparently the pornography obsession comes back yeah of course we are beings with engineering opportunities there's a lot of culture that we got to just clean that out we got to say okay for fact there's a collusion of Jewish attorneys managers

and everything else you can think of that they don't abort their children they only marry within their tribe right and then they'll give America porn not just black people but poor white people and Mexican people they do they they use porn in wars it's like gas we want to talk about gas chambers this is the gas chamber it's a silent killer and it's legal and they put it on every single block and they use my ex-wife to sell it and they they also they want to dumb us down look let me let some of these other incredible individuals speak for a second I'm gonna put my hand back on the bible uh Jews suffer from porn the same way everyone else for god's sake good rebuttal wow good rebuttal what is it yeah this is uh right out of the anti-Semitic narrative uh uh textbook

I guess you know E. Michael Jones certainly one of the inspirations for Fuentes and Owen Benjamin and Milo Unopolis people all within uh oh and Ali Alexander yeah all the people basically all of the people who are in uh yay's orbit currently are all followers and admirers of E. Michael Jones who one of his big claims to fame is arguing that Jews use uh pornography as a weapon against western yep culture so I mean he's just spouting that off and instead of understanding really what's going on uh Gavin is like yes pornography so bad and the reason he's saying that I mean I guess he's kind of in that camp too maybe he doesn't interpret it or experience it as an anti-Semitic narrative and talking point yeah but I mean one of the the requirements to get into the proud boys

is you can't beat off so uh you know he's a he's an old hat in these these waters yeah yeah you have to name cereals and don't touch your dick I just I mean just I I I'm so annoyed I'm so annoyed whenever people can't just be like listen if you expend your sexual energy we think you won't have enough to do killing for what we want you to do do you understand so you can't jerk off you need that energy and hate to kill people with to be in a street fight that's how we have to do it with our gang that we have uh yeah it's very smart and it's impossible to see through and it's no nobody's ever had this idea in the past yeah um so yeah this isn't good but um uh Gavin asks about what what do you do about these problems you know like these problems that you see well I go around on

different shows and I yell wow losers about it not not what are you doing what would you do oh oh oh no the main issue is that christ is king christ is the true king of israel christ is the king of all kings if you don't believe in jesus christ you are wrong and anyone that doesn't believe in jesus christ should not be in control or any influence to anything that america produces be it media technology politics farming medicine prisons if you do not believe in christ and you're not following christ in the decisions that you make you should have no influence on that well that's going to be a tough thing to institute so so you're president of the united states the hitler thing does not hurt your campaign first thing helps my campaign okay it helps your campaign

your office it's day one and they go someone walks in and they go so what are we going to do about these jews what do you say what do you mean do about them what do you well is there any action involved like they they're overly represented in met lots of people who don't believe in christ i would i would probably wager that in your average hospital in new york maybe a third or less believe in christ so are you suggesting we get rid of two-thirds of the doctors not get rid of like not violently get rid of them i i think that jews are very intelligent but they don't deserve to be in charge of everything because they don't put christ and how do you legislate that they need to work for christians jews should work for christians i'll hire a jewish person in a second if i knew

they weren't a spy and i could look through their phone and follow to their house and have a camera this isn't a joke but they're all laughing because if they didn't gavin would have to take what ye is saying seriously and he couldn't handle that this is directly in line with things that ye and nick have said in the past so i don't believe that this isn't a sincerely held view that anyone who doesn't believe in jesus the same way that they do should have no place of influence in society they're discussing ye's ideas and one of the first things he throws out is that he'd create a stratified society with a broad underclass of people who are ineligible to run businesses hold public office or own malls presumably the things that ye is advocating for

are abhorrent any right-thinking person who cares about the ideals of freedom individuality and small government the way that folks like gavin pretend to it's the easiest thing to push back on too and yet gavin doesn't really do so effectively and i think that's probably because he wants the same thing just maybe with a differently worded definition of who belongs in that marginalized underclass in some sense ye's refusal to relent on anything has the effect of revealing how little the people he's talking to really believe they may be pretty loud about loving the constitution when they're on their own but they don't love it enough to fight with a really famous person suggesting that jews shouldn't be allowed to work in government jobs there are too many things that

could go wrong and ye might walk out on gavin it's just episode one of his supposed series and you don't want that in that situation it's best just to laugh at this suggestion so you can pretend later that he didn't really mean it and the jokes on me dan the guy listening to this because i took it seriously but ye is sitting there with nick fuentes who if you need a reminder said this in october they hate jesus if you have you hate jesus you have a problem with me newsflash and every christian this should be the the mantra if you hate jesus you have a problem with christians straight up don't tell me religious jews or whatever question do you hate jesus because if you do that's a problem oh that's a big problem oh no it's especially a big problem if you have any

influence whatsoever if you hate jesus and you have influence it's my job that you don't have influence anymore oh no because i'm a real christian i'm not just one of these hey believe whatever you want our job is to save souls and get people to heaven and fight the devil so don't tell me they're entitled to their religion if their religion involves my lord in hell then they can get the fuck out of america frankly and so far as that's your belief then you have no business being here certainly have no business being anywhere near the lovers of power if you believe that because who do you serve if you don't serve jesus christ you serve the devil you serve satan this is clearly a position that these dudes have and it's something that should be taken very seriously

these aren't the kinds of ideas you have fun conversations about and you have to consider both sides and if you think that's what you're doing the joke is on you gavin and you know what nick is saying that stuff like if you believe my lord is burning in hell that's his view of jews yeah that's not like all of them yes he lumps them all together much like his dear friend yeah as you might imagine yeah it's so like this is this is something that if allowed to come anywhere near having political influence of their own is a priority for them the marginalization of particularly jewish people but then also anyone who isn't a christian according to their definition of christianity yeah they're ineligible for all sorts of things whether it be owning a business

i would imagine teaching you know you'd ruin young minds right absolutely yeah you can't be in government because you'd be too close to being able to make decisions that affect christians yeah i mean it would it's almost impossible to imagine a scenario like this one unless you were to look at american history from anywhere from you know like 20 years back and then keep going and that's essentially the same thing but this time more specific towards jews it's it's uh really messed up stuff and um yeah i don't feel like there's a great pushback going on here it's it's him being it's gay being like oh no the holocaust didn't happen and him being like well what would you do if you had control and it'd be like i'd culturally holocaust them duh i would

make the steps that advance towards yeah i would holocaust another one the logical conclusion of what i believe is the thing that i am denying would happen and that is why i'm telling you that when i would do it it wouldn't happen right yeah so nick has an interesting thought here and by interesting i mean pathetic if you look at white kids there's nothing i don't think intrinsic and white people that makes them hate themselves like when i was a kid kids loved hitler in the sense that we see the videos and we see the propaganda and the symbols and there's something compelling about it just on an aesthetic level what i've never heard them before when you were a little kid like eight years old all your friends liked hitler not maybe not eight years old but on four-chan and on the

internet yeah yeah very popular that's a pretty revealing and sad clip nick is saying that when he was younger kids his age loved hitler and his evidence is four-chan i have some bad news about those people nick thinks were kids they were adults who were trying to spread racist memes to trick kids into thinking there was something cool and compelling about the nazis yeah this is kind of you know saying this out loud should be an embarrassment for nick you should you should feel bad yeah jesus christ oh my god yep that's listen when i was growing up it was super cool to wear a white hood and a white cloak and everybody seems like that's crazy now and then i found out that i was just growing up inside the clan and that was not a generalized experience instead i was a

cosplaying loser yeah much like nick i was hanging out in a uh the nazi adjacent forum yeah so when i was growing up i was highland hitler like 16 20 times a day all of my friends were doing it you couldn't not highl hitler in that camp yeah jesus yeah maybe self-selected yeah so here's a good example of why you can't really argue uh with people like nick uh because it's just there's no win by the way who are the architects of leftism people always point the finger at cultural marxism cultural marxist got kicked out of germany by hitler because they were jewish leftists and atheists too like marx soros soros's dad they were all atheists you're helping him look into this sabotage you're going to see a disproportionate number of people who don't believe in god well

but there's something about judaism too though that it's not just that they don't believe in god but they they don't believe in jesus christ and i think that so much of our atheist society is really a product of judaism they're really kind of like the first atheists see see this is what you can't argue you start off with nick suggesting that uh jewish people are responsible for creating leftism now gavin tries to rebut this and argued well i yeah sort of rebut this yeah i was gonna say don't go give me too much don't give him too much credit he was basically assisting him it was a pass but it's like what alex did yeah it's the let's reframe this it's atheists this is the real issue sure you know like trying to give a shiny coat of paint right on top of nick's old racism

and anti semitism and of course the rebuttal is jews made atheism i mean yeah no matter what there's just going to be another avenue that takes you to the place where nick wants to go he can absorb your argument yeah and then put a layer on top of it that is aha guess what you don't realize that the thing that you're pointing to is actually the jews too exactly yeah yeah it's it's it's it's it's insane it's insane that they are pretending like they don't understand when kanye had nick say well we lump them all in together that's the point like it is and they seem almost slightly incredulous to that concept of like no that's what you're that's what you do that's the point of that's what racism is it's lumping them all in together do you not understand

so uh gavin asks nick how he would solve the issues and he calls it the jewish problem which is a you know that's certainly gavin call it that i believe he does and i think he's trying to be funny by uh sort of signaling to uh not the ideas share uh but whatever the case uh uh nick's idea isn't good what do you say nick if you guys are president vice president well you're too young but you know what i mean hypothetically how do you institute this when that is fixing the jew problem well i would in medicine for example well i would pass i think in medicine it's less of an issue the the real issue is communications because mass communications has changed the world forever 100 years ago and particularly 30 years ago we need to have christian standards guiding

that because the goal of our society is to be moving people into heaven if you have atheists whether they're jewish or white running the media it doesn't facilitate that so i would how do you fix that so i want decency standards i don't want even even if you can't say we're gonna have the government come in and fire all the jews running the media let's have the lawmakers make laws that govern the media that say we don't want pornography on the internet we don't want pornography frankly anywhere we don't want indecency we want that's fine that doesn't do it like let's just have open free speech no one can get cancelled and now there's no more problem with control this shouldn't be something that gaven says that's fine too even if he's okay with the cancerous anti-semitic beliefs

nick is throwing at him he should not be fine with the prescription of decency standards enforced by the government like how do you think his show would fair against decency standards gaven has a podcast called free speech which is essentially his entire branding he can't just meekly accept a fast-talking nazi coming on his show and saying that the government needs to crush free speech just because i guess they don't like porno that doesn't work gaven had another show called free speech two different shows where and this one was where he tried to book a liberal and a conservative to chat and hash out their issues fun fact one episode featured proud boy rambo joe bigs as the conservative guest who is now facing charges of seditious conspiracy regarding his involvement

in january 6th yeah really cool though for gaven to book one of the leaders of his street gang as a guest on his show really given back nick is advocating for a theocratic society which is antithetical to the constitution and everything these right-wing shitheads pretend to value if they want to pretend to be all tolerant and not offended by racism and anti-semitism they could still push back on this stuff pretty stuff pretty fiercely and it would just be in the battle in the war of ideas and what have you and yet they don't really even do that gaven's response to what nick is saying is essentially a non sequitur for folks like him free speech has become such a catch phrase that it kind of has lost any meaning he's trying to argue with uh uh and yes and a guy who

saying that free speech should be destroyed by saying that we should just have free speech gaven is used to dealing with shithead grifting types who hide their true ideas behind universally acceptable terms like free speech so he's not really prepared to talk to a smart young man who's ready to just torpedo the pretenses and say the quiet parts incredibly loud gaven is left just trying to look after the wreckage of those pretenses he's just trying to like clean up and he looks like a fucking idiot i i mean i i i find it so absurd to like simultaneously read about the continuing the ongoing protests fighting in iran uh the the murders the execution uh like all of this shit is going on and then to hear the fucking baby ayatollah show up on gaven mcginnis's

show calling for decency laws that's fucking insane it is it is insane and it's insane it's it's outrageous to think that gaven isn't like more like we gotta we gotta dig into this one yeah yeah when you mean by decency standard the fucking phone who's gonna determine what is or is not decent if you are even different branches of christianity would have sort of different particularities about what is a priority absolutely absolutely i was gesturing so wildly i threw through my vape you did a vape take oh god all right a reset um yeah it's it's uh it's a lot of bullshit i i just i don't know how it is possible for you to even pretend to call yourself a comedian and then listen to somebody say i think we should have decency laws and go you know what

that's not a bad idea yeah you know what i think lennie bruce should have been arrested let's get rid of cancel culture and get back to imprison culture that's what we need to do i'm sick of people saying oh you can't say this i want people who swear to go to jail i don't want these woke people complaining about things that are i want uh basically theocrats arresting people yeah yeah oh my god it's a good argument it's compelling great work so uh i thought this was really uh funny and then uh uh it's scary uh some stuff yay has to say how do i say f instagram in the christian way screw instagram see you've already said it in a non-screw like turn to nick is the expert i think that's okay yeah i think we could say it in a better way let's all here we go pray

for instagram pray for instagram pray for the instagram users right because instagram is a platform and because there's so many predators online anyone that likes a photo of a woman that's half naked with a string of her butt is a sexual predator yeah yep sure sure hey meganus show us your browser history buddy and what wonderful maybe you should have half a bloody merry yeah no kid before this great call sure yeah everybody who likes a picture on instagram is a sexual predator oh my god i mean granted a lot of you know i i don't have a lot of experience on instagram but i know i hear a lot of people talking about sliding in dms and stuff and i think probably are a lot of people who are

asked a lot of folks on instagram but that liking a picture is not uh not equivalent if if we want to deal with that that's a different conversation let's start way back to just all sex pesterie happening across this great land of ours that's constantly in every facet of every woman's life on a dear fucking daily basis that's that's a fair point yeah there's no he doesn't want to talk about nor does gavin he would rather talk about unnamed uh faceless women he can objectify right and then use as an object to get what he wants you know like pornography so also i i do appreciate the pretty making it a little bear that um uh pray for means fuck you damn yeah that's great what are you from texas that's great bless your heart yeah yeah way to go very gentle so we know

that yay loves everyone that's been a big part of his whole campaign uh the it's what makes him saying i love hitler so acceptable you know sure according to him and nick i thought it was all of his money and fame well that's what makes it possible ah there we go um but he's high he hides behind that idea of like i'm saying i love everyone sure sure sure you know uh which is a little bit disingenuous and all but i want to maintain that jews are a second class citizen that must be serving us at all times and we have to survey them otherwise that yeah you know i love everybody right that's that's what it comes down to there's an abstract idea of love but now when we talk about how things are gonna run maybe it's not a little different yeah i love everyone i love black white

straight gay rich poor jewish uh that follow god zionist jews nazis uh slave masters slave owners record owner record labels i you know the joe uh frances that was involved with the sex tape i love everyone the doctor that performed the final plastic surgery on my mom my cousin that was watching my mom i love everyone that is what leaning into god is and that's the only way we cure the world is by loving now as far as setting up the rules of the country this is a christian country and the rules of the country will be based on the bible we're going to to realign we're going to align the constitution with the bible and update it and we're in the process of doing that right now yeah well that's sure perfect way to end the interview what yeah

thanks so much for letting me talk to you what i i still don't really understand yes you do today's conversation relates to info wars you love jews but you're canceled for anti-semitism because you also love hitler but you love everyone equally good guys and bad guys yeah jewish people can't tell me who i can love and who i can't love you can't say you can't force your pain on everyone else jewish people forgive hitler today let it go let it go and stop trying to force it on other people tonight that's uh not good i don't care how famous a person is or how much they may theoretically do for me potentially if i am ever in an interview giving or receiving an interview that makes me look as dumb as gavin mcginnis looks right now he looks real

dumb i will fight tooth and nail to keep it from getting out to the big viewing public haven't released this exactly i would have a kanya would have had to rip it from my cold dead hands before that goes out to the viewing public that is shameful yeah he's saying that uh you're gonna create uh a new constitution that is theocratically based what hey enjoy that uh that first amendment while you still have it yeah free speech absolutist pathetic so like he's saying that he's got in the process of creating a new constitution and like there isn't any like hey uh you know that's one of the stupidest ideas i've ever heard yay can i say the lord's name in fact did uh no of course not wait i can't say the lord's name in vain of course not well then i don't have free speech

so then we don't have a fucking constitution interview over let's leave can we go i have two shows called free speech and we go and i'm gonna just have to say hey we got some interesting ideas i can't understand why people are calling you an anti-semite can i take the lord's name of bait no okay are you gonna get rid of the part of the bible that reminds you of when jews were available is that what's going to go on what that none of this is bible based none of this is constitution based no you're a bunch of racists who believe weird shit and you're just trying to rewrite it as you make it up on the fly yeah and it's uh uh opportunistically using uh religion as a cover for all sorts of other stuff uh religion makes people crazy so i think

there's one thing that you might uh be happy to hear and that is immediately after the interview gavin realized that he had whiffed he realizes he failed all so that was five hours with yay what uh i guess i tried to talk him off the ledge as far as nazi stuff goes all right who do i think i am my ego is one of the most popular entertainers in the world and he's gonna he doesn't even know me governs that i should doll up a cold as shit what a wake up call this is my ego tells me this is who i am and this is who i actually am you might have had a few more bloody marries i think that's probably as good as it's gonna get for him yeah well close to self reflection as i can expect well here's him just sort of admitting defeat oh okay saving yay uh

didn't work when gavin did it it's christ's job and uh christ can do anything so this was like 40 minutes of an interview and i would really love to get a look at the other hours that were undoubtedly recording yeah they did not have just no tape yeah no kidding you don't have yay there for five hours and produce that small oh we forgot to we forgot to press play on the recording honestly do you want to can we start it up again we'll just do a quick 20 30 minutes on it sorry so i really do appreciate that at the very least gavin is doing a little soul searching and realizing that doing this interview was a stupid idea maybe not a stupid idea in terms of getting publicity but if his goal really was to talk yay out of being an anti-semite then gavin failed the test before he

picked up a pen and part of that is because he's just like every other shithead conman on the right whose beliefs are completely malleable and can be swayed if they realize the profit margin is better with different beliefs it seems like gavin didn't realize or didn't appreciate that yay doesn't want to be talked off any ledge and he's not on a ledge he's acting like yay is an old friend who fell in with a bad crowd and yeah sure yay isn't with a bad crowd but he's not an impressionable teen he's not being tricked into being an anti-semite he's a willing participant and antagonist in this whole operation through the course of this interview gavin has gone through the big transformation from part one of our episode into part two at the beginning he thought he

could handle yay like he handles all the other opportunistic shitheads that he deals with and get him to moderate his position so they can get rich together this is almost like an escalation of attempts to moderate yay tim pool is the most ineffectual loser in the right wing space so that's a situation where there's not even really going to be meaningful pushback if he does try to help yay smooth out his positions it'll be the softest touch imaginable you might not even notice it then alex is a little bit more coarse he traffics in some of these same anti-semitic ideas himself and he has a lot of experience whitewashing them for the larger audience so he's naturally gonna try and help yay into the box where they can make some money together then gavin is the next

level of offensive shithead if alex's version of acceptable anti-semitism is too watered down for you perhaps you'd like the version sold to you by the drunk guy who started a street gang that was involved in planning a seditious conspiracy involving january 6th gavin is a little more edgy than alex so his attempts to soften yay's anti-semitic shit are a little edgier and there's still not even close to being effective because yay doesn't want to be softened or have this message whitewashed yeah he's saying what he wants to say yeah yay has now essentially done a speed run of all the right wing media from dopey to edgy and rebuffed all of their attempts to make his positions more palatable nothing has been achieved for any side except for yay and nicks they got a ton of

attention and beyond that a second goal has not been achieved which leads us to the second element of this episode which is where crowder comes in a little more the first use of this that is so effective for the right wing stuff is trying to convince him to soften these ideas yeah it's it's what alex did for three hours it's what tim pool probably would have done in some ways if he'd been given half a chance play the game yeah and it's what gavin set out it's the entire premise of saving yay no it's like the whole thing no i mean it is it is a draft pick like legitimately like hey this guy he's got some talent he's got a lot of stuff that we can use but he's a little bit rough around the side if we can develop him into he could be the star quarterback for our team

he's just got to get development you know he's just got to practice on being a see how we do it in our system yeah learn the plays totally yeah yep so that that's the the one first element and now the second element comes in with crowder and alex and just to give a sort of brief synopsis of what this is it's the using Kanye as a prop to be like my opinions aren't that bad right right i'm not yay right so they finally figured out the best way to use him is to treat him like alex well how alex used to be treated exactly yes yeah yeah and so we're going to see that a bit in this interview where crowder sits down with alex and talks about he alex breaks his silence yeah i mean sooner or later they were going to be like well we can't use him the way we want to so guess what we're

going to say that at least we're not as racist as a black man they the beginning of this episode is just a crowd or being funny and so i haven't included any of that i'm not going to put you through that okay good alex comes in a ways into the episode and they talk for like maybe half an hour 40 minutes or something like that and then there's more in the mug club oh and i don't i didn't i'm not a member you're still not going to join the mug club no i don't know i don't know about that and this is plenty so we start here with a crowd are kind of giving a hey buddy to alex hey looks like you had a tough time there buddy oh my god mr. jones thank you for being with us sir i felt we needed to include that context uh boy seemed like you were holding on for a bumpy ride with that interview

do i do i have that about right did you expect that in your wildest dreams uh no i didn't and i didn't say what he could talk about but i said can we just try to bring people together and and you'll talk about real issues like human trafficking and fentanyl and how you want to bring jobs back to america and really see the deeper side of you and not just soundbites and they were like yeah in fact he doesn't want to even get into that stuff but then right away sitting in the same studio i'm in right now on thursday bam and i thought he was joking at first why would you think he was joking at first i have no idea they have no idea the things he had been saying previous to this like i i think this is pretty sad i think that i have developed a new form uh i i'm against

the incarcerative state yes you know justice is difficult to like figure out uh and prescriptive justice is really difficult so what i've decided is that alex needs a coin a court appointed referee right so anywhere he goes like on a conversation like that's that's like my final exactly exactly that's what i'm saying we need that to be enshrined into law red card absolutely you can't say that nope no no no red card you're at that's done all right next you know like that needs there needs to be a way that they can't go and often be by themselves and talk like this this is totally off topic but i remember one time i my brother played soccer and i went to a game and one of the guys on his team got a yellow card the ref pulled it out he took it from the ref and ate it

and then immediately the ref pulls out a red card yeah i mean yeah but you got to eat that one too i was probably like what's your pot committed something with that happened still uh still hilarious that's fantastic um so alex he has to kind of figure out a way to explain what was going on and he's decided that this was a trolling thing they were trolling even though very explicitly multiple times during the interview ea says this isn't trolling i i'm telling you what i think i telling you what i believe it is just so outside of the pale for these people to actually have to confront someone who believes the things that they lie about mm-hmm or that they lie about yeah exactly exactly yeah yeah he puts the mask he unzips the mask and then it's really creepy

in person with the mask yeah and then i mean really i would see this as as almost like a giant trolling operation really he was a super high on adrenaline when he did it he feels really good about it uh and he i don't think has a very good historical knowledge uh about world war two either oh yeah so i mean he really is in in love with uh all of that uh design which so much of what the nazi's design did up being brought up here with operation paperclip so so if it's bad that ye says he loves hitler uh then it's even worse that our own government brought tens of thousands of nazis in at the end of world war two to run most of major agency so sure alex is still trying to excuse what ye said by making false equivalences ye denied the holocaust but 70 years ago the government

brought over nazi scientists to work on rockets so who's really to say what's what he's just uninformed it's a strange thing to argue and the ultimate irony is if that he said that in front of ye ye would say that it's great that the u.s brought over nazis because he loves nazis in essence alex is trying to control this narrative now that there isn't that pesky person the narrative is about there to stop him yes that's what i believe no he doesn't believe that it's a no i do right that's that's why i said it i say things because i mean them do you not understand that principle whatsoever it's really it's really bizarre um i mean it's not bizarre it's a desperate attempt to salvage whatever you can out of you know make good out of bad as it were right right

so alex has some opposition to nazis and that's great although i think that maybe some of the ways that he understands his opposition to nazis is a little personal uh and maybe his problems and complaints about the nazis are never like invading other countries uh systematic genocide of that's a huge issue uh causing a world war yeah that's a problem these things are not what he seems to have a problem with it's like they almost killed my grandpa oh that's and i would bring up historic real things about the nazis that my family you know who were in world war two told me about oh that's true we saw that in germany or we saw that uh in idly again both my grandfathers almost died both of them world war two i almost don't exist because of it and they you know they talked

about what the nazis were like and uh my mom's dad also worked on some black budget weapons programs in the 50s and 60s and just said that he'd been in some military bases uh that had nazis on them and they were very very arrogant and he he didn't like having to work with them in these in these some of these programs sound like eight years old hearing my grandfather in austin texas sitting around the kitchen table bitching about you know nazis and uh working on secret weapons programs and how arrogant they were and how much he hated the government bringing them in here so that's a real thing that's going on so my dislike of nazis really comes from my grandfathers who both didn't like them very much i that seems not that for someone who's claimed to have read 100

books about world war two and studied everything about this seems like your reasons for disliking nazis wouldn't be their arrogant or my grandfather said working with them wasn't fun yeah or something yeah that's bizarre no i mean what what's what's interesting to me about it is that it comes from the same point of view as yay in my in my envisioning is because these people cannot see outside of their heads you know they can only see through their own eyes they have no ability to like see the world from outside of that so everything has to relate to something that has happened to him pornography is bad not because of the jews but because kanye is addicted to pornography the world war two is bad not because of a holocaust but because it hurt alex's grandfather you

know i understand that you have to make it personal and take it personal yeah um but also the difference is or between those two things that you're describing because i do think there's an important difference and that is that yay is not taking responsibility for right this part and he's blaming the jews for everything whereas alex is uh blaming the globalists sure well i mean he's not really blaming anybody in this clip in this particular clip yeah yeah he's just taking it personally and that's how he understands right world war two basically right and that's maybe inconsequential in the grand scheme uh maybe small you know it sometimes when you say however you get there at least you got there i don't know if this is not this time not this time

so uh the the matter of how alex thought the interview would go comes up and i got to call a lot of bullshit on this i really thought i could come in here and shut up at first and let him get it out of the system even if he did it right i was saying hey let's do something different let's you know let's show him your intellectual side let's let's you know let's get into a bunch of issues and i had all these issues in front of me he goes why don't you just set those aside we're not getting into that i was like okay he's letting me know he's in control and so i figured after an hour at least he would let me kind of then bring up some topics i wanted but you kind of had the salacious crumb uh the baby hitler uh of nick pointe's over there uh you

know that that was a joke jimmy kimmel made like where have i seen this before and it's it's i'm job of the hut and there's there's a salacious crumb sitting there but seriously i didn't know that nick pointe's was really a nazi lover yeah i had him on over the years three or four times whenever he was being debanked or censored and he would be like no i'm not a nazi i just care about white people's rights so i want to say uh that i know definitively that that's not true yeah uh there alex newt damn well that nick and his associates were very much into hitler and nazis definitively yes yeah that is complete bullshit alex engaged with him well aware of his beliefs and the way that these things were being hidden i don't believe for a second that

they went on the road together for the stop the steel stuff and uh oh nothing of the the true nature of uh nick's beliefs were made clear and think about this ali alexander is now in charge uh presumably in charge or at least very involved in yay's uh campaign sure right i could give calling it a campaign gives it a legitimacy that i refuse to accept but that's fine it could be a publicity campaign there and that's fine that's fine vanity campaign it could be a world of warcraft campaign sure yeah yeah well the alex went like to georgia into these other states with ali alexander and nick valentes so now he has two people who were deeply uh involved with his own 2020 election uh conspiracies and stuff and ali is pretty involved with info wars uh now they are

both uh the people who are involved with the i love hitler guy's presidential campaign alex is far more uh involved and entwined in this than he wants to believe yeah he's in too deep he let these people very close to him and like i said i know that he knows yeah about why uh like these people's beliefs yep it's he did this to himself yeah and he deserves every bit of criticism and association uh that people are making yeah yeah you know you uh don't have any talent of your own and then the closest thing you could get to talent was an 18 year old nazi so i understand he's an impressive guy nick is very talented especially compared different different talents than alex he's the he's the youngest nazi that we know at least what a what a that's that's the

biggest compliment i have to give what a superlative yeah so alex does not like hitler hitler was a disaster hitler wasn't a culture to pregnant hitler was a pedophile hitler was horrible screw hitler burn and hell hitler and the left uses hitler to push their communist agenda that is basically just as bad and authoritarian to call all of us hitler and so people are so sick of being called hitler they go hey if hitler is so powerful let's just say we're with hitler and that's what these people are doing and i felt like i was sucked in to a giant publicity stunt now now i'm i'm i'm not mad at either person sounds like you understand that they probably even believe what they're doing but no i saw a whole bunch of programs like the young turds and all of them say jones is just mad

they let the secret out jones likes hitler no i hate authoritarians i hate communist i hate gg ping i hate hitler i hate mousy tongue i hate joseph uh you know stalin i hate fidel castrow i hate hugo chavez i love george washington i love thomas jefferson i love american strength and freedom and power and christianity and open societies and capitalism and free speech and i want it back now so burn in hell hitler and stalin and mal burn in hell is what i told pierce morgan hitler took the guns stalin took the guns mal took the guns and if you try to take our guns 1776 will commence again it almost feels like alex dissociated for a moment yeah yeah yeah that was weird yeah the pierce morgan thing is a completely off topic point i think he was just searching his

mind for stock things to shout that involve hitler and that's one of his big ones yeah it kind of gives the impression that he's not really mentally processing this conversation might be a little bit on autopilot and also wanting to relive those those 1776 2.0 i'm feeling you remember like how much press he got because he yelling that stuff and like he was on cnn with pierce morgan glory days right he went to that uh gun show where pierce morgan was doing a remote and he begged him to come back on the show yep because he got such a good hit of adrenaline from being in there getting all that attention it was so good yeah and he wants to relive that a little bit now i think and you're getting a different kind of attention now i mean we're tired or your shit yeah yeah

everyone's tired i'm i'm very tired of uh things being very obvious you know like two of the most hateful people on the planet i've just listened to list things they love for a while but i don't have to regularly list things that i love or hate in order to prove something you don't have to list off a bunch of things that you love to provide cover for the fact that you love the nazis i mean also i don't have to list off a bunch of things that i hate and then say i love them to make people think that i'm not hating myself which is what yay did so uh but so there was this dynamic that was going on with the yay uh show uh and that was this i love everybody and that was uh you know it's pretty clear that that was a little bit of a bullshit well kind of move when he listed things

that he said he loved he was only listing them because those are the things that he hates and people know that so he has to say that he loves them except for things like nazis and hitler and he loves nazis and hitler sure come on and even beyond the love stuff i mean there was just the like holocaust didn't happen stuff yeah yeah that's issue yeah and i gotta say even crowded doesn't buy this shit like he doesn't he doesn't like go in for the i love everybody act right right right and i have to say that when you have steven krauter being like this is some bullshit yeah yeah that's a bad sign for how flimsy your nonsense is you have people trying to defend it saying well and and there's validity to this kanye west said i love everybody he didn't say he hated anybody

he said i love jews i love hitler but he did go out of his way to praise actions of hitler while condemning actions of jews and this sort of general monolith and he did actively deny the holocaust so to act as though it was an equivalency of i love everybody that's not what happened with that interview now if people out there want to say hey he has every right to love hitler of course and if you say i agree with him when he says he loves hitler and that the holocaust didn't happen fine but to act as though there's was this equivalency you know on on your show and it's in its totality sure he said he loved everyone but he did have specific praise for some totalitarian dictators not good not good when steven krauter sees through your

fucking game and is calling it out i do not know where who enshrined the right to love hitler i think we can revoke that right i don't think you should have the right to love hitler you can't love hitler okay demanded bill of rights how do we love and hitler how do we um how does this work functionally you just can't how do you legislate that somebody says if somebody does it you say stop it you can't it's against the law what if you are hitler's parents uh they killed themselves but what but but or no they just died but put yourself in that situation sure sure is it still illegal yeah absolutely because he's a genocider i think you're good i think you're gonna have a tough time writing this into law i'm telling you i feel like a very specific law like if somebody

has committed genocide they don't get love anymore i feel like that's fine oh you're sounding like alex's mom anybody who's committed genocide off my knee you don't get love no more um i i think that this is a uh this is the kind of legislation that you're going to spend a lot of time trying to craft in yours wasting taxpayers dollars it's going to be tough yeah i really think we could nail it down though also probably against free speech bad love isn't speech money is that's citizens united baby so uh steven krauter is like kind of pushing back on this in a way that is kind of surprising in as much as he actually is asking alex do you think the media got this one right like what yay actually is i'm mad i'm mad how do you think the press has has covered it and

i don't mean you i think that you know i don't mean of course they'll try and tarn feather you but i'm saying do you think that this the way the press has said that hey kanye west yay on alex jones went off and was very obviously incredibly anti-semitic do we think that in this case was the press partially right in other words are they completely misrepresenting it or when you were sitting there did did you feel as though um this is probably not uh productive for him look i like kanye west i like yay i i think he really means well um you know i don't know if nick foyntes believes what he says he's doing nick says a lot of really good stuff i agree with once i heard him indoors that he thinks hitler is great i lost a lot of respect for him because i

know nick's really four or five years ago and i'm not saying yay isn't smart but you know he's he's kind of a savant uh and you know he has a lot of talent stuff and so yeah i i think in the long run uh yay wants to be a big revolutionary he wants to hit the barb wire as he said he said your terminator one we're terminator ten and i just really think at the end of the day that that's not the case the left have adopted so many of the actual nazi tactics of control and their whole system of lockdowns what you see in china big groups of people by the tens of thousands being marched together being being led by one pied piper in the whole white white medical uniform that's that you know that's the real typology that the nazis were striving for and we know

that hitler and of course joseph gerbils wrote about how this is public they wanted to take over england and kill hgls and kill burchman russell and others because the hgls and burchman russell had a competing authoritarian world government leftist model so just real quick alex is referring to hitler's black book which was a list of people he wanted rounded up and killed after the nazis planned invasion of the uk in operation sea lion alex is made up that they want to kill hgls and burchman russell because they were setting up a rivaling world government that is for all intents and purposes alex whitewashing nazi history hitler wanted to kill wells because he ran an organization called poets essayists and novelists international which

expelled the german branch of the group because they only accepted arian writers into their membership he was a very vocal critic of the german government and was a very understandable target especially considering the offense he'd made against germany's place in the art and culture world the reasoning was similar for russell he had been a non-interventionist and he'd switched positions and decided that hitler was a threat to all of europe and needed to be fought the list includes a bunch of folks like virginia wolf who they wanted to kill because she was married to a jewish man and aldis huxley because he helped jewish artists and writers flee from germany what alex is saying is complete bullshit and it's carrying water for hitler now larger picture what

crowder is doing here is the second stage of the purpose yay serves to the right wing as we discussed in sort of two parts of the episode crowder seems to have realized what so many have missed which is that yay means this shit he's not uh going to relent and maybe people are right to call him anti-semitic he's getting ahead of the ball for a very important purpose which is essentially to create an avatar of an anti-semite so he can use them to excuse his own toxic opinions anytime he's accused of saying something fucked up or anti-semitic he can say i'm not yay and that has the effect of giving him some breathing room alex knows this dynamic well uh since he was on the other side of it for most of his career and still is used that way from time to time most of glenbeck's

conspiracy bullshit early career was predicated on him saying something insane and then saying i'm not alex jones and pretending that proves rationality even within the last year when he was being grilled about his promotion of great replacement conspiracies tucker carlson shot back this isn't some alex jones shit yay can fill a very important role for these right wing media figures which is to be the person they are not which excuses their rhetoric that person goes too far and i'm not that person therefore i've not gone too far and what i'm saying is acceptable and when you have someone like yay it provides a rare opportunity where there's this huge celebrity so the media's eyes will be on what he's saying and he's a bombastic personality so he's not going to take this halfway

this combination leads to the conversation going so far past the point of acceptability that it allows people like krauter to move the ball a little bit down the field and then it doesn't look like he's done anything for instance in response to yay denying the holocaust krauter can condemn that but then decry the problem of quote secular humanists with jewish last names in hollywood that's pretty fucked up stuff but when it's compared to what yay's putting out there certainly doesn't seem that bad yeah if yay goes 50 i can go 30 no i mean that's why that's why when mcginnis says you know like hey it's not all the jews it's most of the jews but not all of them you know it's like no that's that's equally anti-semitic those are on equal footing and yet

because yay is willing to say the full thing and mcginnis gets the the luxury of being able to be like haha i'm only 90 racist then he gets away with it more than otherwise yeah it's pretty simple and honestly once the rest of the right-wing shitheads come to the realization that they're not going to be able to monetize yay himself this will be the next best thing for them to be able to do yeah and it's going to be unfortunate because they have let him in a little bit and that means that they can get burned by him once they start shitting on him and that could be a problem for all of them what amazes me is that they don't seem to realize that nick is coming for them like well we'll see you that in a little bit that's that's what i think is very funny about all of

this is that they are looking at nick and yay going on all of these interviews thinking they're trying to do some white supremacist shit not realizing that nick is going for them he is choosing those people to attack in order to take their shit yeah it's basically like how he had this whole campaign against turning point usa yeah it was he wasn't going against some left group he was going against someone on the right because the people who are in that audience are far more likely to come over to his side than if he were to go to some antifa meeting and cause a scene he can he can say things that these folks aren't saying yeah and pretend that there's some kind of a secret conspiratorial reason why they're not saying these these fucked up things that he's willing

to say yeah and then lure these people like the audience over yeah it's the the same dynamic is essentially at play yeah with these stops on his campaign tour right and they all think that he is like everybody else he's just another one of the parasites but this dude is a disease man he is not going to to suck you dry he's going to steal your shit and kill you yeah yeah yeah and it's good i mean it's it's good timing for someone like alex to have to deal with something like this considering that he just declared personal bankruptcy his company's in bankruptcy he owes a billion dollars he's at the height of his power and it was just official um i knew this is actually kind of old news but uh the uh the stuff that he owes because of these judgments

yeah is not dischargeable in bankruptcy no no no that's around his neck forever that was something that we already had an awareness of but they had just sort of litigated officially and so like he's in a perfect position to have somebody who he has uh enabled yep platformed legitimized uh come in and say horrible things about him and try and leech off the audience you know it's so weird that sith lords aren't like best buds you know like they the one always tries to kill the other one it's like why you know just be best buds there can only be one highlander that's how it works bullshit yep so alex rambles a lot and then he gets on to talking about orwell in 1984 right good call some thoughts i don't i would like some citations on this okay so i happened to know for

a fact that the left and the tactic that's what george arwell wrote 1984 about george arwell was number two in the propaganda arm of british intelligence in world war two he'd been a communist before that in the spanish chivalro and been a hero and heavily wounded but then when he actually got at the top of the british uh socialist society uh and recognized that that actually stalin was being funded by the west there was actually a war against the individual in the future and that hitler had been wound up by british intelligence not not run by them but actually you know built up and given power and funding early by the big banks he realized that there was a global authoritarian system that operated under different names but basically

had the same goal total power and control and the reason i know that is not just reading 1984 probably eight well that's clear but it's very clear writings the essays uh in several big compendiums of george arwell right before he died in 1949 he finished 1984 like 1947 but he died about a year and a half later and so george arwell had this view of it as well he thought the nazis were the ultimate evil he fought them before world war two in spain and against franco and then he later learned there was a more evil group of fabian socialist uh british intelligence basically specter what you see in the james bond movies i'm sorry james bond is specter and i'm not saying all the british intelligence but that british empire model that

merged with america at breton woods and then america became the world empire at that point that system is full spectrum dominance where they want to control all the major groups and then play them off against each other in a hegellian dialect so was it a good idea to have yay on or not uh this is i would like to just ask him to uh provide maybe some sources on the any of that yeah yeah that was that was fun i'm guessing he's referring to like homage to katalonia i feel like i just got a lot of exposition from a steampunk novel like telling me about the the previous history before the apocalypse happened that's what i feel like i just heard a a lot of alternate reality i believe you like you know oral worked at the bbc i don't know if he was number two in

british intelligence and propaganda i don't know i and he was a committed democratic socialist every into the last years of his life i just like this is a fun story but i need alex to substantiate any of this what what i find comforting about this is for certain people once they start talking about a subject i no longer feel the need to know why you know like when alex starts talking about orwell i don't need to i don't need to be like oh why is he saying this thing about this book that doesn't say the thing that he's saying no no no it's about the globalist i don't ask why it's about the globalist it's uh because he thinks that's what's real yep so alex has a new explanation for why he did what he did on his show didn't he already give one people can go to info wars.com

because remember i'm more sensitive than anybody else out there they can go to info wars.com and they can always go to bandod video and find the full interview and actually see it for themselves in in context i i i can't bring myself to go watch it again because i can't stand watching myself but i've watched a lot of excerpts and i just think what happened was he decided to go all the way he decided he decided to try to be as shocking as possible and say screw the world and he and then once he started pressing on the dopamine button of saying the things he said he just couldn't stop and so it became uh you know just a situation of redlining the engine the entire time he was on yeah yeah it seems like that uh that might be the case doesn't

doesn't seem like that might be the case at all it's not adrenaline he was not addicted to adrenaline he it's not like a crime of passion he brought a net and yahoo you who yeah that was premeditated that was a murder one if you will of comedy unless unless those props just happen to be at alex's desk which seems incredibly unlikely it would be it would be a strange improv thing to yeah yeah yeah we've had these we've had this net and we've had this you who out here for 20 years thinking somebody's gonna put it together sooner or later right and here it is finally it paid off in the moment he just got caught up in it he said some offensive things and then the adrenaline got the best of him i just i mean it is it is the same kind of excuse people tried to make for like michael

richards it is and it is it is so hard for them because they're they're their lives are built around claiming that racism can't even happen because it doesn't exist right well it does but only against white people exactly but then they're here and they're just like man i don't know if i can say that racism doesn't exist after that hmm well we gotta come up with a bunch of new ways they're trying so many different ways to just be like listen it's okay to be a racist but maybe not this racist right that's what they're saying so crowder uh he takes uh that uh cover that yay has provided and gets into a little bit of his own uh anti-semitism fun there is a very big difference between yes i do think there's a conversation to be had about the secularists

in the entertainment industry and if someone wants to conflate that with anti-semitism what they're doing is saying oh is it because you're saying because they're jewish no no i'm saying for the same reason that there are plenty of non-jewish people in the entertainment industry who are involved with grooming who are involved with by the way uh the degeneracy of society the only reason that there tend to be people who are largely atheist jews in the entertainment industry or for example in banks which compared to them as a percentage of the population is true for the same reason that there are plenty of jewish doctors this is uh that dynamic i was describing earlier on full display if these people's jewishness isn't important why is it important

to have a conversation about secular humanists with jewish names who are in hollywood he didn't say it exactly that way in this clip but that is uh what he's been going on about in the aftermath of the interview if the problem is the indecency of hollywood shouldn't their jewishness not even be a point worth bringing up stevens concerned with these people having jewish names because he's making exactly the point he's pretending not to yeah this is a pretty anti-semitic position that steven is expressing but because yay is out there denying the holocaust it gives him the ability to express things like this and say i'm not yay my anti-semitic conspiracy insinuations are rational look at me i'm not that far out these are the kinds of side consequences that come with

platforming someone like yay and i find it difficult to believe that these right-wing ding-dongs don't understand that this is what they want to be able to be bigots while taking an imaginary high ground when anyone calls them out for it so they don't have to feel bad about themselves yeah they're in the wake of yay and his bullshit just going listen that's crazy that wave is too big now i do think there's something to be said about talking about the wave you know and it's like no that's your that's the problem so if nick and yay are anti-semites they are but if they are no they are they said they are but if they said the words it might have just been adrenaline words have to mean things otherwise they aren't words it was a sound adrenaline there's

sounds you're making i don't even understand you anymore just done six push-ups that's all i'm hearing look if they are it's the left's fault the left has wrapped itself in we're captain america we're fighting the nazis and everybody else are nazis on the side that's made a lot of people get mad and say okay screw you i'm a nazi i think that's what's happening with nick foyntez and people like kanye west yay west but i'll tell you i've been attacked massively by the adl all these other groups and they wrap themselves in we're jews and then they attack me in the name of jews which is then making a lot of people think well alex jones is good you must be bad i have to say this is a pretty pathetic attempt to avoid doing any soul searching the left didn't do shit to make these

idiots into nazis but alex sure as shit has his entire worldview and imaginary enemies are characterized by complete plagiarisms from the protocols of the elders of zion mixed up with anti-semitic tropes from history like blood libel and well poisoning he constantly makes excuses for raving bigots and anti-semites and gives his audience flimsy arguments for why you shouldn't see them as raving bigots and anti-semites though which they actually are and anyone who says that those people are anti-semites are actually just mad that they're these people like freedom too much alex has consistently outright anti-semites and holocaust deniers on his show and he never has had a problem funneling his audience into their information spaces so long as they keep their shit subtle on air the list

of people from recent times is pretty long but it goes as far back as he's been on air in recent 2003 episode that we did we saw him interviewing eric huff schmitt the holocaust denying techno dj and that wasn't an isolated incident flash forward to the present day he's having softball pretend debates with david duke and richard spencer and hosting friendly conversations with the man who has inspired a lot of nick and yay's current ideology e michael jones if anyone facilitated the slide further down the path toward anti-semitism it's been alex with all of his non-existent standards for guest selection and show prep even so framing this whole thing as a reaction is unacceptable yay and nick are anti-semites they've decided to be so because they believe

alex is trying to take moral responsibility away from their decision by saying that it's the left's evil manipulative actions that led them to be coming nazis out of spite i guess i guess it's spite the implication here is that the left if the left weren't doing the things that they were doing nick and yay wouldn't be anti-semites which isn't true nick's been this way for a long time and alex was fully aware that the whole time he's known him he's just not able to plausibly deny who nick is anymore so he needs to come up with a new spin and it's pretty fucking weak yeah listening to this it just reminds me of like how unfortunate is that we're all here you know like i feel like if we could just get you know all all of the not them people and go on a holiday for like

three or four weeks when we come back they'd have killed each other like even this shit they can't help but say oh it's the left that did it if the left if we weren't here they'd still blame the left and they just call each other the left well they already already got my right nose and they've got that they would kill each other if we weren't here for them to kill us well even this small group that is like around yay is already incredibly volatile myla was in and in charge and now he's out maybe ali alexander has taken his place who knows but yeah there is there will be chaotic comings and goings right but i think nick is probably in he's in yeah well he owns it yeah it's his it's his show yeah uh you know it's it's their ideas are so dumb and so stupid

that when they say them out loud and are challenged by another person of their ilk with dumb and stupid ideas that are different they blame other people rather than even engage with their own ideas being dumb and stupid they're just both like yeah isn't it other people's fault we're stupid so many other people oh my god it's everybody else's fault so you got one last clip of crowded here uh or from crowded show i'm just simply saying the left weaponizing world war two that ended 76 years ago 77 however many years ago is very very dangerous and the left saying at universities the national news you cover it more than anybody that being whites inherently bad and teaching courses on that is going to then make nazis sound legitimate because here's a bunch of

leftist academics and hollywood people a lot of jews literally trying to teach the majority minorities who are now the majority that oh white people who aren't a certain you know a religious group you know white people accept jews are all bad people and here you can see alex doing some acceptable anti-semitism while getting to use yay as cover this is absurd but let's play around with this idea a little bit so you can see what alex is actually saying here left leftist academics and hollywood people many of them jewish are teaching non-white people that all white people except jews are inherently evil seeing this kind of thing will make nazis look legitimate so the left is driving people toward becoming nazis that's fascinating because i pretty much agree with alex's

construction except for one part academics in the media and hollywood aren't saying that white people are inherently evil there is that that's a paranoid white identity fantasy that alex uses for a bunch of different narrative shortcuts but it's one that's just accepted as truth on his show it does make some sense that believing alex's version of the world would make nazis not look that bad so in essence if you believe the pipeline that alex is describing then he's actually responsible for the creation of a ton of nazis he presents people with a false reality that makes the nazis look less extreme than they actually are thereby making them a more acceptable group to associate with or ally with how bad are the nazis compared to the globalists who work for the literal devil

and want to kill all humans well i mean the thing about that though is whenever you turn things into that kind of duality right okay so as ye has said you know if you're not working for christ then you're working for the devil and he thinks that hitler and the nazis were good so they were working for christ which means that's what his position is is that god wants you to kill jews there are some implications that maybe would be best not explored i mean that's if you're them that's what he said so these two documents i believe illustrate something of my point of the the the ways that ye is being used by these folks sort of natural progression that things take right there is the immediate desperate desire by these folks to try and

soften and exploit and bring into the fold this incredibly famous celebrity that they can try and ride along with yeah and it does not work because he is not on the same scam grift level that they are and then the ultimate ultimate conclusion is using him as a prop to justify your own bigotry essentially it's it's kind of overton windowy in terms of how it works or the the under the way you look at it it's the ye goes this far so you can go half that far three quarters of the the way downfield he's he's the battering ram as he has even described himself as and it's bad it's bad and people should know better i think they do know better and they're actively participating in this yeah now it's interesting to me that steven krauter

his appearance here is essentially only in the second phase and i suspect that's because ye wouldn't go on his show yeah i think maybe there's a chance that like that booking didn't happen and so krauter didn't have to go through the first stage of this yeah um but i bet he would have oh absolutely and a heartbeat yeah so that's kind of the informative section of this but i thought in the interest of fairness um sure maybe not um i wanted to play uh some clips and discuss a uh twitter spaces oh god that nick fuentes did in response to alex's interview on krauter's show okay all right uh he does not uh take kindly to some of the things that alex has said oh and uh in in uh response he ends up uh saying some things that alex probably isn't going to appreciate

being made public so uh we start here and nick realizes that uh richard spencer's in the chat and it's hey richard spencer in the hey let's give him a follow-up back let's go um let's go all right so um i was going to do a space yesterday but i didn't have time so i'm going to dive into it today and i wanted to respond to alex jones and that whole situation so as you know uh me and ye went on alex jones and listen i don't want to make it like a thing i mean it was it speaks for itself it was totally awesome interview game changer entertaining like nobody can deny that it was awesome you know and disagree about that strongly i get everybody talking to me even my mom was like like are you sure that was a good idea that kind of thing

and that's what that's all she had to say everybody will break down everybody wants the explanation everybody especially now they're looking to me to go live i might break it down and say listen everybody here's how here's what it means here's what it really means here's the here's the angle here's the upshot here's the here's the point of it all um but i think that kind of thinking is missing the point i think i think it speaks for itself i kind of agree i think it speaks for itself yep spoke quite a bit for itself yep i don't think he needs to comment on it honestly disagree that it was awesome i understand where he's coming from like from his perspective it is awesome yeah he did exactly what he wanted to do and had the exact uh response largely totally

uh i can't uh i can't foresee another circumstance outside of him committing a domestic terrorist where nick fuentes would get as much attention from the mainstream yeah uh press and everything yep uh than this so pretty awesome for him this is this is some weird uh a fucking dark mirror version of a dream that might have been mine when i was very young listening to college dropout you know like just like man this song is so good wouldn't it be cool to hang out with yay wouldn't it be cool to be a part of his presidential campaign to be a part well i mean for what it's worth uh nick is a kanye fan you know sure from uh you know i mean he's from chicago right or right chicago area yeah chicago land um and you know that's not something that's new so for him it

probably is pretty fucking cool no that's just on the celebrity uh element of it alone totally absolutely this person that you've liked their music for years that's why it's a that's why it's a black mirror version of it just because it is so much like that is a dream i would have and then to have it be entirely anti-semitism you get your wish yeah exactly buddy's a nazi what that is the worst well that would be honestly you know what that would be like oh my god that's a make-a-wish foundation gone horribly wrong i i loved the boston's growing up and i would have loved to hang out with them but now dickie barrett is like an anti-vexer and shit there you go it's yeah god damn it uh don't never mean never make you hear us yeah exactly so despite the fact that

it speaks for itself nick decides he's gonna speak he's gonna speak yeah he's got stuff to say you know at the risk of sounding uh trite or uh unsophisticated for you know to put it very simply this entire system is put in place to control us again i know that you know that's not really it's not really my most elite take what i mean by that is you see this guy wear a mask he goes on the alex jones show he says i love hitler and uh and i and we're gonna stop dissing the nazis all the time and and then of course what's the obvious reaction um oh you can't say that you can't say that oh you can't say that in politics oh you know you you can't win if you say that oh that's not a good idea blah blah blah and you know i'm just kind of over it in the same way that in 2016 people

were like you know what shut up fuck off make america great again we're gonna build a wall we're gonna ban all muslims middle finger in your face i you know i know that's probably not how yay would put it you know i think we're sort of temperamentally slightly different in that regard that's sort of how i would put it it's like we don't care it's the system is so ridiculous it is so suffocating it's so overbearing we're so sick of the double standards and the hypocrisy i really like to lean in to the surreal and the funny and uh and and honestly just the brutal honesty yeah so these bucking conventional wisdom that you can't say these things in the realm of politics um and that's uh whatever but the the the conception there i think makes sense

and i'm worried about the experiment because there was a lot of like with trump like he was talking about like him having a big dick yeah on a debate stage yep and stuff like it was like this doesn't work this doesn't fly and then it turns out through brute force and sheer not giving a fuck yeah somehow it did work and the thing that nick is articulating here is that is the way he's approaching being anti-semitic in public right that i'm just gonna brute force it fuck you well i mean he's he's explaining something i think that is uh well known uh which is that everybody right now is so fucking sick of listening to people lie to them all the time be it politicians or media and you can say oh it's this media that's lying to me or this

politician that's lying to you but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what side you're on there's enough liars in both your teams that you're gonna be mad yeah you know yeah and so what people want is authenticity is honesty and they respond to that even if it's fucking evil right and that's one of the big selling points the trump had and it's something that even though he was lying all the time right and that's something that yay can get into too and he has other elements of the archetypes that people gravitated to about trump the idea of being self-made that authenticity is you brought up just having fame itself is enough for most people sure and presumably being willing to walk away from fame and fortune because of some kind of principle some sort of yeah

that he may or may not have those things are whether true or just illusions are things that translate from a trump campaign to a yay campaign yeah that they do resonate with people totally i mean again i i i could be wrong but i don't think people are i don't think the electorate is big enough yet for the honesty of i love hitler no to win i don't think on the global stage i i think it would be it i think it would be tough i i i think that my biggest problem with being alive right now is not knowing if loving hitler is a losing electoral strategy for sure i don't like knowing that right and that's what i'm saying about like the kit the experiment worries me yeah it's like what is there is there a point at which that brute forcing of like no fuck this i don't care about

your uh your decency ideas and i don't care about your your ideas of what i can and can't say is there a line at which something is too far i mean and i don't want to know in georgia it is a very thin line that you have to go a long way for you gotta have lied about some abortions you gotta have all kinds of terrible i wasn't following everything super closely but i heard something about werewolves yeah exactly you have to go that far to just barely lose yeah that's how far it's gotta go so yeah so um yay and nick apparently are kindred spirits which i agree they're both uh it sounds right now more than ever and it's it's amazing because yay and i are sort of kindred spirits in this we are really on the same wavelength of look

we're gonna go out there we're gonna say what's on our heart we're gonna say what we feel and whatever if if the bed's frozen like with him or with me whatever we'll figure it out if we wouldn't if we wind up broke dead murdered by the jews whatever okay like whatever um and then that's a that's a feeling that's a feeling sentiment but there's there's also a good reason for this too like there's also like a cerebral explanation for it which is look at look at this guy he did everything right he secured the american dream he blew up doing what he loves became rich became famous became a business owner made products and so on and look what happened they ripped his family apart they took his kids from him

who's they lobotomized i know who you think they is but that's not who they and of course i'm oversimplifying there's more to the story than that but the point is look at the kind of society and look at what it produces it's not producing happy healthy fulfilled satisfied people it just isn't it's producing yay in fact increasingly it's becoming impossible to to build wealth to have any semblance of independence to have a healthy decent marriage respectable marriage to raise your family but you know society is making all of this impossible and so my answer when people say like you know you can't do this or why do you think that's a good idea why should he do that is why not what's the alternative what are we gonna what else

are you gonna do other than put on a mask and go on Alex Jones and say i love Hitler and people might say oh you could do a lot of things it's like okay well what you can see here the way that nick is able to put his finger on some actual existing social ills like the difficulty people have building wealth these days he can use the recognition of these problems as a way to rope people in and appeal to actual problems they might be experiencing then he can blame these problems on the jews creating a scapegoat that in effect reveals that he doesn't really actually care about those social ills themselves recognizing them and performing empathy around them are tools that he uses to funnel people into his bigotry and to the question of like what other choice

do they have many most importantly though is that the things that they are blaming on the jews are the direct result of the things they want to happen typically happening yeah you know like oh it's harder to build wealth that's because the way that things have been set up is that people who agree with you wrote laws that made it impossible to do that it's because of your desires and ideology that the problems you're prescribing exist you have to be a little bit careful because i think that would be fairly accurate for alex but nick's policy set is not necessarily the same as a lot of the g.o.p i i i don't give a shit what policy set he is how is how is his policy that's like caring what kanya's policy set is i don't care what his policies are

well nick would be in favor of like government regulation for one thing okay um but that is a that is a fundamental difference between him and how alex would approach right some sorts of ways that government can intervene in things that would restrict people's ability to build wealth sure for example i am i'm not i'm not saying you should care right rara and saying that you are not accurate if you are lumping him in with like a lot of the more libertarian-esque policies and governmental ideas that we're used to talking about it's a little more complicated uh yeah yeah all right fair enough so uh nick thinks that people are overthinking things and maybe you should just maybe you just uh look at things simply okay we've reached an impasse and at some point

people have to and i'm a really big believer in this maybe this is my age speaking maybe this is naivete maybe it's me being an amateur or something i think all those things can be positive a big part of my belief is that um we are overthinking it and we have thought ourselves into a box telling ourselves what we can't do what has never been done what is not possible we have thought and argued and talked ourselves into an ever-changing box of of what is to be done about our current predicament meaning i can't say this can't do that don't want to get banned on twitter don't want to lose your job want to be a turning point ambassador can't take a picture of this one can't do that

and people have come up with these convoluted uninspiring ridiculous strategies inclusive populism multiracial working class pop boo boring that's less likely to work than saying you love hitler in my opinion you know if people think those are two bad options you want to know which one i think is worse the one that doesn't get me excited the one that doesn't grab my attention and get me on twitter talking about it you know yeah inclusive populism and multi uh ethnic uh working class solidarity are not things that excite nick now saying you love hitler i i do do that's exciting i do feel like he just put the epitaph on humanity like real honestly like if two things are bad i know which one i want to choose the one that excites me is literally

what should be on humanity's gravestone yeah and the one that riles people up for attention yep that's yep just just bury us now put it on the gravestone well i mean the idea of inclusive populism or multi racial multi ethnic working class solidarity that doesn't elicit feelings of like ah it creates work it creates difficult things that you need to do in order to achieve these goals whereas just saying on alex's show i like hitler and then getting a bunch of attention for it is fucking easy here's what people like uh let's do the thing that gets what we want and here's what people don't like getting the thing you want is actually a process that uh requires effort involved in and time and cooperation and compromise and you're gonna have to admit that

you're wrong about something if you want things to improve and i know you don't want to admit that you're wrong about something and i know you think that you're not wrong about anything but you might be and you are so fucking do it right yeah nobody wants to hear that part no and it might be his youth and his amateur nation i don't think that point of view has much to do with age these days so now we get to the alex conversation uh nick has levied the accusation that the jews got to alex i'm sorry what now they gave him a call but i wanted to respond to the alex jones uh thing you know because i basically implied that he got called by the jews to um and now i would like to say it to disavow me whatever and honestly it was kind of disappointing you know we did that show

last week and then alex jones goes on crouter the other day and steven crouter is just a loud mouth ignoramus i mean listen i'm sorry i know that's negative um but it's just true i mean he literally is just a he's just got the giant head the figuratively and literally just one of these big-headed uh goober's like he's not maybe for people that laugh at gyco commercials like that kind of stuff is funny where he wears a dress and he pretends like he's a lady damn if you find gyco commercials funny you might like crouter got him shots fired damn what are you writing there you took a long note i was just i was just like i find it so interesting like this this space that we have suddenly walked into where there is a actual battle between nick fuentes actually loving

hitler and alex jones actually not liking hitler he actually does not like hitler it's a true thing that even he can't make money around he even in his heart of hearts he can't be like i will still i'll say i love hitler for a little bit more time on air for a little bit more money even he can't do it that's how much a piece of a shit nick fuentes is it's true and but i think that alex is smart enough to realize that in his branding and in his place in the market that kind of a pivot might be good for a very short burst right but it is not sustainable and it has the high likelihood of tarnishing everything he's done in his 30 years right on air right but you see you're having that conversation as alex with nick alex is saying to nick like listen

it's not part of my brand this will ruin what i've done for 30 years this is and nick is saying right now to the world i think that's stupid let's fucking say we love hitler and because you won't i think that the jews got to you exactly and told you to uh yep go on crouter and you stepped into snake pits and oh no you're getting bit yep so alex on crouter's show believed or he expressed the belief that uh he got tricked into being part of a publicity stunt sure and nick takes issue with that yeah of course what it sounded to me this is why i said it it sounded like ass covering because he goes on there and see why i felt like i got dragged into a publicity stunt and it's like first of all you wanted that interview are you kidding me

how are you gonna like try and fly yay out and i don't want to disclose anything that is in public but they tried to set something up a few weeks ago it didn't work out then yay wanted to go on we made it work this time and and all of us are talking about this is our biggest show there's our biggest interview ever we're getting millions of views worried about our site crashing like come on man like you wanted it you loved it it was great entertainment it's going to go down as one of the most famous things in media like it was huge and he's going to go on the crouter show the week after he has yay in a mask say he loves hitler and say i got dragged into a publicity show oh no what a victim no you you you mean you invited yay onto the show and gave him

three hours knowing this was going on by the way the hitler thing and pushing him on it and pushing him on it and pushing him on it and then he's gonna go and cry to steven crowder a week later and say they got i'm a victim of a publicity stunt publicity stunt okay alex jones like kidding me it's honestly just like insulting to his audience i mean come on it is yep can't disagree with much yeah it's it's fascinating because nick is right and so is alex yep they're both right yep it was a crass publicity stunt yep that alex probably did get roped into a little more than he wanted to like he wanted a publicity stunt but it didn't go the way he wanted no um so you know there is this middle ground between them like it wasn't an unwilling participant right right he just didn't

control it the way he thought he was going to be able to alex thought when he agreed to this that he could get what he wanted and you did not give him that and so now he's acting like he didn't even want to the thing in the first place exactly yeah yeah i get it yep so also on the crouter interview alex speculated that uh people like um uh richard spencer have a gay fascination with hitler and then maybe nick has a gay fascination with hitler as well and nick takes issue with that and then to say it's a publicity now alex don't say the problem with publicity stunt well that's pretty rich and then he goes and calls us gay he said that we're homoerotic fascination with hitler which i don't know what that has to do with it uh you know yay said we love everybody we love

mau we love stalin we love hitler we love the jews we love the zionists and he goes well they're gay for hitler it's like it's got nothing to do with being gay we just love hitler no homo hey hitler i love you no homo you know hey no homo we love hitler um so that i mean that's just downright that's just the classic jews always say and uh it is they always say oh well oh well aren't the nazis like you know you know and they do the hand thing aren't they a little you know light in the loafers that's not a stereotype that i'm i'm aware of i have never ever heard anyone do that ever i've not heard that and i've not heard it like even sort of bigots accuse that being a standard attack that jewish people make on nazis nope it's very weird nope that one's

brand new to me yeah although i i do think that uh again i think that uh alex's speculation's a little like out of nowhere yeah yeah yeah that's wrong so anyway nick loves alex what because everybody loves everybody right oh for god's sake but it was fucking weak to go on steven krauters yes i agree you know and here's the thing like i love alex jones he's a i think he's a good man he's a hero he's a legendary broadcaster never had a problem with him uh but that him running this even krauter was just it was just like a sad weak move and just like marjorie doing the kevin mccarthy thing and what what yay's crusade if i permitted to call it that what it is showing is it's show crusade like what's really going on here which is

like all these people are controlled they're all controlled yay's revealing it oh for god's sakes yep hey anybody but this whiny loser he's turned on marjorie taylor green now too if you didn't know uh that they have uh fallen out of good graces oh farewell to her uh penetration of this nazi base yeah uh boy yeah she's gonna have to get the moon nazi base if she wants that one yeah uh what was that movie there was a movie the nazis at a moon base i don't know i don't know anyway um one of the things that makes me a little bit scared more of nick than some of these other figures sure is that he does have the ability to make a metaphor uh many times this is this is un fucking precedented many times alex will try to spin a metaphor yeah and it does not make any

sense it goes a long time too nick has a metaphor about the joker that actually works pretty well okay and he's been saying uh you know i'm like a superhero like i want to be like a superhero you know i'm like doing something heroic blah blah but he said the other day in the office he's just like but i feel more like joker he said and i was dying at that but it's true you know because like your alex jones and your marjorie taylor green they're they're like the other criminals in gotham in dark night they're like the mob bosses and they bring in they bring in joker to kill the batman you know they bring in yay for the publicity this does work god damn it of a problem son i hate this kid whatever it is on their website and it's like uh i don't know who

says the line i think it's alfred he goes you know they they brought in something they didn't fully understand so i want to see the world burn you know and it's true and so just like how the criminals bring in the joker and joker burns all the money and says all you care about is money this town is there's a better class of criminal and they're all like horrified they're like and they're criminals they kill people and they're murderers and they're like who is this it's the same thing it's like alex jones and marred they bring this guy in and yay is like huh you people care about his money this town is better class of nazi and i'm gonna give a toy you know um so and then it's people like me i'm like i'm like the hungry dog

let's see how loyal a hungry dog really is you know and i'm and i'm them you know yeah i think i think that uh metaphor makes quite a bit of sense uh you know the criminals in gotham had a particular problem yeah which is the batman yeah uh so they bring in the joker sure uh in the metaphor alex has a particular problem he needs eyes on his product he needs publicity yeah he needs a great amount of attention so he brings in the joker yep and they didn't understand what they were bringing in it's it makes complete sense i i mean yes the the thing that is annoying about it is the complete embracing of just being like yeah we're the bad guys we know we're evil yeah we do we know well i mean we're not just played the imperial march from the star wars for years but

this is just annoying it is annoying it is a little bit with the pretense of like it's still wanting to wink and be like yeah we're not really we're acting like we're we're we're making it look like we're acknowledging we're on the bad side but we actually know that we're on the good side and you're just making it look like that but we actually we oh my god it is a little bit annoying yeah um but the uh yeah the the thing is that like you know the the destroying of the money and stuff is the is essentially create like puncturing the game yeah that the propagandists are playing yeah yeah like gavin and people like alex the thing that they didn't realize the joker or yay was going to do is not so much the like actually costing the money or anything like that

it's that like you guys are are you know you can't play a crypto game with me yeah i am going to just call i am chaos yeah i am unfiltered unfettered so uh nick takes some issue here with alex because alex was he was saying that he stood up for nick and nick never stood up for him and nick thinks that's bullshit yeah it is you know he said oh you know i've stood up for nick pointus he's never shown me any love it's like dude i have talked about his issues constantly i have always been one of the first ones to cover the lawsuits against him and the censorship against him i'm always mentioning him in the same breath as everybody else um so that's just simply not true but what he did the other day was kind of pathetic he had an ample opportunity to call me a nazi or

or call call us gay nazis or what-out bases and to say all that when we were in austin but then he comes a week later to and cries about it to crowded and says way way way i'm a victim of a public city stunt there are these terrible nazis i'm just a humble water filter uh you know no tropics patriot salesman please please don't cancel me and you know the thing is like there there's layers to it of course alex is canceled but he also presumably has zionist backers like no doubt i think he even told me that with the first time i ever went on a show he cut in during the commercial break because the first thing i talked about was israel and he cut in during the commercial break and said like hey i'm not telling you what to say you can say whatever you want but um i would

recommend like not talking about israel so much like the jew thing or whatever he goes but that's just not going to get you anywhere and we have a lot of great like jewish listeners or something something like that it was like four years ago i don't really remember but but that was a just if that was like the first time i was on a show so don't you know don't play stupid everybody knows that's how it goes everybody knows that's how alex plays so i think if i were to guess uh there was a conversation the first time nick was on and alex knowing that nick is a nazi hey none of that open nazi shit right was trying to get him to do the same thing say that he did with ye and because nick wasn't a mega celebrity like ye he didn't have a place in the market that was higher in value

than being on alex's show so he went along with it and now he's contextualizing that as alex having jewish owners or handlers or whatever yeah and this this is something that we'll play with uh uh you know nick's audience yeah i mean as opposed to just being like see the way it works isn't status is alex was higher than me before but now i'm higher than alex so i can engage in the same behaviors that alex did or however because i'm higher status you'll forgive me for doing it and i can make you blame him for doing it it makes perfect i think it's more that he's potentially higher status than alex yeah although it's it's hard to tell what with alex's woes yeah i mean boy it's hard that i feel like nick isn't higher status of his own no no absolutely no association

with ye he definitely yeah no you know pulls ahead of alex no it's it's fairly clear that uh if i was a betting man i would say hubris and pride will be his downfall uh as is the case with people exactly like this throughout history over and over and over and over and over again it does feel like that is a very distinct possibility i am much bigger than alex jones now admittedly it's only because for some weird reason ye had a manic episode and decided to unleash his anti-semitism across the world and then somehow found me and then i tagged along it's actually because i'm great yeah so uh conceivably uh alex got a call from these jewish handlers that he has then he wants to go and cry i saw his show today he's crying about how i said he got a phone call

this is oh nick said i got a phone call yo i got a call from jesus i got a call from george like uh that that that no you got a call from the jews you got a call from your from the jewish people that buy the supplements or whatever you just like yeah you know okay i'm not being cute i'm not being funny you got a call from your zionist backers okay you didn't get a call from no you got a call from your zionist backers you know israel did 9 11 you know about jewish influence you know about it because you talked about it on your show 20 years ago david duke debated you into the ground on this and i beat the f out of robert barnes on your show a year ago about it no you didn't get a call from jefferson you got a call from from your zionist backers oh come on

it was right there let's stop protecting come on that's fine you want to continue to make millions of dollars you want to have your studio and all that you want you want to do more with less in other words you want to have a big show while saying less of the truth fine that's your decision you're entitled to make that decision but but you know we all see right through this what are you talking about i what are you implying here's what i'm implying you got a call from your zionist backers that that was a big problem okay and that's why you pressed yay about it you know and he was miffed that the whole show is about hitler but if you watch the show he kept pushing and pushing and pushing you know you can't just let the guy say he loves hitler god forbid anybody says something

like that he had to keep coming back and coming back oh it's about the uniforms oh so is also what you mean is this he said what he said he said what he said um you are not going to argue somebody if their inherent position is the only reason that you would dislike hitler is because you got a call from extremely powerful jewish people if that's your beginning position right where's the argument going to start uh nowhere it's it's a disaster no hitler was bad ah you're just saying that because well then i think i'm gone i'm out of here goodbye yeah um the implication here is kind of interesting because if you unpack this this i think what nick is saying is that like you know how uh like republican organizations

will buy bulk purchases of people's books in order to put them on the bestseller list he seems to be implying that there are zionist handlers or backers or whatever who buy a bunch of alex's supplements and that's how his finances work or something yeah i don't think that's the case it would be an odd way to do it yeah i don't i don't think okay so here's my business i am going to get a bunch of uh our own labels on bullshit pills and then some weirdo billionaires are just going to buy those move them from my warehouse to their warehouse where they'll just sit and wait sure i mean i i don't know i i i think it would be i mean i guess all of the callers who say they use the products could be lying but i don't know i don't i i i i

doesn't pass the smile test no um but yeah this is this is why you don't get mixed up with someone like nick because like he has some actual good points here and that is that david duke did out debate alex on the ground show into the ground he did out debate robert barnes right on on info wars not hard to do um but the then the conclusion that he jumps to uh that alex is behaving the way he is because uh some jewish handlers told him to right is completely unearned and there isn't any reason to believe that right there is everything is explained by a very simple occum's razor that is that there is a certain point past which alex's business model is no longer viable yeah and nick has pushed past that point yeah and it has nothing to do with jewish

influence threatening alex or coming down on him let's call it the overton profit window it has yeah it has everything to do with just simple uh understanding your place in the market yeah um and uh nick can nick can claim that's like some sort of nefarious thing but right well the thing is quarts his fucking show like in his parents basement he's he's got a nice little spot for himself right now because he doesn't actually have a place in the media sphere everything he's doing is clawing a place for himself it's all destructive exactly and uh sort of uh privateering he doesn't have to defend anything he's wearing the armor of being a nazi you know like what oh defend this thing i'm a nazi why yeah i love i said i love hitler what are you what are you gonna be mean to me

about yeah yeah yeah you can't you can't hurt me because that right and so all he has to do is point out the incredibly obvious bullshit that everybody's doing because it's incredibly obvious it doesn't take a genius to be like oh alex is exploiting people yeah we are a fucking brilliant and it's just it's just such an easy spot to be the problem is once he gets something then he's going to go through the process of trying to hold on to something right and that's when he's fucked definitely yeah so uh nick is unfortunately a little bit uh he has feelings and he feels bad that everyone keeps throwing him under the bus but he kind of understands it very annoying and uh you know you got all these these people that are much older than me like marjorie or alex or

whoever and uh constantly throwing me under the bus to save their own skin it's just like seriously like and the thing is like i meet all these people i'm i'm obviously like a nice guy i'm polite i'm respectful like i'm obviously in it for the you're a nazi i'm really like my my character is pretty unimpeachable like it is what's the most thoroughly peachable about me like i make i make offensive jokes or something like i'm not a hater i have a big heart you're a nazi i'm just like a lovable guy want to make a funny show and um and i believe in all the same things all these people do and they just have like no compunction about like slitting my throat if it makes their life more convenient you know it's like marjorie met me shook my hand gave me a hug

gave a speech at my conference and all this and she pretends not to to know me the day after okay fine you know you gotta say what you gotta say but then she's gonna like denounce my views denounce my anti-semitic views uh because she got pressure from the jewish group she got pressure from mccarthy and the rjc and all that and she's like oh yeah i'll totally push this kid in front on coming traffic to make my life easier yeah i didn't believe until quite recently that the jews had space lasers that they use to control weather or whatever the fuck yikes um this is like a zazel in hell being like jeez there's a lot of demons around here what's going on there's a bunch of bunch of assholes around here i've been hanging out with shitheads and i i'm just starting to realize

they don't have integrity they are not a loyal bunch i am starting to think that these people are bad people wow huh congratulations i wonder why i gravitated to them in the first place probably not important not going to think about it bye probably has nothing to do with my unimpeachable yeah no shit so uh meeting yay was amazing and again probably was because he's a huge celebrity that nick has loved for a long time yeah um meeting alex was not it's it's a breath of fresh air to meet somebody who's a true american original and uh and truly somebody who's free you meet alex jones and the first time i went on is like hey like you didn't say whatever you want but you know there's doers things at that end and i was like so deflated i was like oh that's a shame you know i'm

doing me wrong he's still funny he's still a theme still a workhorse an incredible human being uh but i was you know but when i heard that i was totally deflated i was like oh you're not superman you know oh yeah you're you're just a guy doing a show you're a good show doer you know but it's like that was my first to give you like some contrast like i the first time i went on a show and he cuts into the commercial break and says hey you know say whatever you want but don't like don't talk about the jews or the jewish things a dead end i was like oh okay so you're that's like what my parents tell me that's so cool alex jones the absolute madman boy you're crazy you know and he's telling me the same stuff my my boomer parents do isn't really a good idea you should

really say that i love my parents but like you know they're they're normie like that yeah they're normie like no no no no no no no no no no they're normie like well my son's hitler i hope he's not too hitlery i hope he grows out of this hitler i mean yeah what are you what are you doing that is that i don't know stop i don't know ground him something take away his allowance again never meet your heroes though you know nick's very disappointed by alex's non embracing of the nazi lifestyle what fucks me up about this is how empty all of this is if it also includes like i still think he's a great guy and i think all this shit like i that blows my mind was a hero here's why this is i disagree with you that it's empty because nick recognizes that alex is still

doing something that serves his interests and that is uh being a more introductory step people can come into nick's stream or his river much easier if there's a tributary right like alex there i understand where you're coming from even if even if he is some kind of a shill or whatever nick has the awareness that people who get sucked into that have a tendency to grow past alex's material and they need the harder drugs right right right i'm saying it's empty for me it's obviously not empty for him oh yes yeah of course definitely empty for you yeah i apologize before i mean i just it's just heartbreaking i said sorry um so nick uh makes fun of alex they think it's like he's gonna go and say i hate hitler hitler burning hell it's like who who is that for except for the

jews like who is that for nobody is worried with that nobody is impressed wow wow you said hitler sucks wow whoa whoa don't cut yourself on that edge bro wow i can see why you're banned the left does not want you to know there was a democrat damn alex go off he just said hitler burning hell absolute madman whoo lad this this playground shit does not fly it like oh oh you think my mom is fat how cool are you no no no dude you love hitler that i mean there's no you can't be like oh how cool is it that he doesn't like hitler no fuck you that doesn't work on this one well for you but the the only reason this is actually kind of like maybe a dangerous point for alex is that he is a free speech absolutist

and it is that he is like he fancies himself the tip of the spear and like this this kind of like dangerous edgy censored person sure so when your brand is that you've been censored by everybody and you're censorious towards someone else sure they do kind of hold a little bit of a trump card on you right there is a little bit of a power that this person who has been censored by the guy who's against censorship right has because you can't argue with that person that hitler can't be the tip of the spear well you know like you can't argue with nick you can't be like hey no i get what you're saying but you think that being edgy means right hitler yes when in reality you're just a loving hitler that's the end of this conversation not edgy it's something that

we got over a while ago it's insane it's genocidal i don't know what else to describe it as right it's not an interesting conversation that society refuses to have it's a conversation that we had nailed it and we've moved along and it's just you're trying to rehash it for yeah yeah most of society is a hundred percent on the there's no middle ground on hitler it's it's not hard it's not even complicated yeah so also fuck crouter and maybe marjorie taylor green too yeah i'm fine with that so they uh i'm a convenient scapegoat like we get to attack uh nick for being the nazi and we're just going to pretend like you know yate and say it so everybody wants to throw me under the bus whatever i'll remember that also here's here's the real last thing i'm going to say

none of the people that threw me under the bus are really even that impressive like i have never watched crouter show i think i watched it one time on stream uh crouter is not why i got into politics is not funny you know so crouter disavowing me is like okay big whip same thing with marjorie taylor green you like you know i've already i've already done my done my bid on marjorie taylor green but it's like okay seriously does anybody really think that like if i had my choice that i'd be like standing with marjorie taylor green like listen you gotta play with the hand you're dealt i'll just put it that way so it's like marjorie taylor green denounced me let's say there's like no love lost there honestly if she's showing for mccarthy and she was still

showing up the aft pack that would be uh that would be bad for me that would make me look like a like uh blue pill weakling i'm trying not to swear because kanye doesn't like it yeah so the the thing that you gotta you gotta think about if you're somebody who's associating with nick is that he seemed to be fully in support of marjorie back when they were on good terms oh and now that they have fallen out he's being a little bit more open about like i wouldn't have wanted to work with her but no one else wanted to work with me because i'm a nazi yeah and so you play with the hand you're dealt yeah this is one big exercise in the emperor has no clothes kind of uh uh just him him just being like look at all these losers like that's that's again

that's what makes this so empty for me is that yes they are a bunch of losers yes it's not hard to see that you are a bigger loser yeah it's the it's that same dynamic that he has when he's talking about social issues that sometimes he's able to descriptively act get his finger on uh something that is an actual problem right but his analysis and uh sort of other conversation around things is maybe worse definitely worse yeah or meaningless yeah and he has put his finger on a very real thing here that is that crowded isn't funny and he's vapid you got nobody would want to work with marjorie taylor green if they had another choice nailed it and but not complicated everything else around it is is bad and he is worse well it just and it does it is so

much more desirable i mean if i were if i were a nazi uh listening to alex and mtg it is so much more desirable to listen to the kid who says that the emperors has no clothes because i knew it the whole fucking time but they have told me because they all love each other that actually know they're great so finally i have a nazi that i can love who is willing to admit that every other nazi is an asshole mm-hmm which makes perfect sense it does make some sense yeah so nick he likes to see the good in people uh like richard spencer uh here's some of the good that nick sees in richard spencer let's see who else are any other big blue checks in here but besides richard one time i called them on the phone i was like hey i'm rich and he was like it's richard i told that story a lot before

but it was just like a classic total total richard moment that's why we love him that's why we love him see that's the type of humor you can't get on crowded show well not only him i mean that is his name i'm not i'm not making fun of him for that i mean that is his name like i don't think that's you know out of line to want to be called the certain thing you know if someone you don't he and i was like hey it's nick you know nobody'd be offended i just think oh they you wouldn't had how that tumbled out that time on the phone one of my favorite stories see you know we find what we like about people you find what you love about people that's got it that's a great story when richard spencer said it's richard not rich what a guy so funny i'm gonna guess that there

was something else that happened in that conversation that makes that memorable yeah yeah and maybe richard's listening and knows yeah something like that otherwise that uh it's rich story is a little flat yeah uh not a lot going on there not also fucking so infuriating in so infuriating what if he had said it's uh um rena what if he had said that oh suddenly i would have a bigger problem with calling them by something that they wanted to be called by sure fuck him uh sure yeah um so we have uh one last clip here and it's uh very exciting big breaking news how about the new song very epic right very very epic what new song yeah he's got a new song on instagram though they uh like anybody doesn't know why maybe for the alex jones sample

he took out the i love hitler pardon me or the one the version that i heard it ended with uh that i love that i love that i love that i love about hitler but i think he took that out but that's okay that's okay we know what he meant yep so this is pretty funny uh yay posted this song on instagram which seems like a strange move considering that he's been yelling about how instagram is a sex trafficking operation and anyone who clicks a like button on a woman's picture is a sex predator they removed they removed the song apparently and then he sent it to alex who posted it on info wars with the headline quote yay releases epic new song exclusively on info wars someday will all be free what the fuck it's an exclusive release because it got taken off instagram oh my god uh and yeah

after all of this after everything that's happened alex is still super excited to post there's no continuity right it's a new show look i got burned there's a new monster of the week i know i got burned by this publicity stunt anyways i'm gonna release that single baby come on now yeah there's attention in the bar hills sheesh i would apply i would play the song for you but it's really bad i always suspect that the reason it got taken off instagram was because he used samples that he hadn't cleared uh so there might have been like a copyright issue there i don't think it'll be a hit uh if only because he includes a lyric about how god won't let him have sex until he's married again it's not quite the message it's kids again now i think now that's that's the new punk rock right

there right that's the new punk new punk rock is no sex before marriage baby yeah cool oh boy um so yeah uh this is this is uh where we're at great it's not a good place it's not a good place no it's just not um it's just not i think i think that it is uh important to understand like some of these dynamics within uh this right wing uh ecosystem in terms of how um there is this dual use of yay that is there's the ideal version which is recruiting him and getting him to cool it right on some of this stuff that is going to be bad for business right uh and then failing that there is Charles Lindbergh and then failing that there's the um the using him like everyone used to use alex yeah and still does kind of yeah when they need to um as the i'm not him person right right

right um so there's that and then i i just think it's really interesting to hear nick's response because there is some analysis of dynamics between these figures that he understands pretty clearly yeah and that is something you don't really hear people talk about within these circles very much exactly i think that's that's what's so um empty i think what's so deceptive about it is because he is willing to say the things that everybody knows people give him more credit for being able to see through the scam right when in reality they all see through the scam he's just the only one who's making his scam pointing it out yes you know like he's just making his own little scam that he's got going on but it's it's counter to the the ecosystem that sustains itself with

the interlocking scams you know and that and that is a large reason essentially of why he's not going to be involved in a lot of these other folks uh uh scams alex in his interview with crowder said that he would have went as back on yeah but it would need to be a debate and i guarantee i don't want to guarantee i've been wrong about so much but i don't think that's gonna happen don't guarantee anything the reason i don't think that's gonna happen is that alex has to know that nick would dance circles around oh it'd be sad yeah yeah it would uh the the way that nick can dodge is uh beyond alex's capacity to punch uh the things that nick can say uh that will confuse alex will be too much um i'll go even simpler than that alex would have to prepare i mean so really the end but what

if he didn't if he wanted if he wanted to engage in that the way that he would engage in it he didn't seem to prepare that much for david duke nope anyway this all is a mess yeah and maybe we'll go back to checking in on uh info wars and alex's show itself uh next week we'll see apparently we're into palace intrigue with the conservative propagandists i think it's elevated slightly it is it is it is but i i realized i realized yeah in fairness to you there was a little bit of that i'm not saying that there wasn't in next stream there was a little i'm not saying i didn't notice yeah but some of that is just kind of fun like him yelling at crowder for yeah i mean and listen where if if somebody's gonna call it a piece of shit i'm gonna listen

yeah i'm fine with that and there there's also an element of it that the catharticness is it's so fucking obvious you don't get involved with people like this because this is what they'll do to you yeah they are going to smear you they're going to use things that you may have said in confidence or private or or something and they will take those things and then present them to their audience as some kind of evidence that you're involved in a nefarious plot yeah uh you know it's just stay away i mean don't get involved it is it is like a part of me is is like here's what should be required reading for third graders and it should be for every day of the year and that's just foused like just really get into understanding what the devil's bargain means you know like at

third grade you're eight or nine years old you're ready to figure out what unintended consequences are it's time to hammer it home at a young age be nice uh so uh jordan we'll come to the end of this and oh i'd also like to say thank you to amanda for some help uh with uh sources oh um but we'll be back but until then we have a website we do indeed it's NileTribe.com yep where i was on twitter we are on twitter it's at NileJet to score a fight yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzxglock read the read the wicked all right that's no good i didn't think of a new bit fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck you know what i've been doing lately i've been eating a lot not a lot but i've been eating more frosting than i'd like to admit you've been eating more

frosting than you'd like to admit what is the amount of frosting that you would like to admit to eating well like one dunkaroo one dunkaroo packet yeah that's acceptable yeah how many packets well i've not gotten dunkaroos uh well that might be a first problem i've gotten tubs of frosting and then what i did this time was i got nila wafers oh no you dipped it in there oh that's too good yeah that's too good anyway this is uh one of the revelations you'll find in the wiki leaks i knew we were getting there and now here comes the sex robots andy and kansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you