Knowledge Fight - #756: December 5, 2003

Episode Date: December 12, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to discuss how Alex reports on stories ranging from wildfires to Mexican troops kidnapping American familes. Citations

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Thanks for holding it. Hello Alex. I'm a big fan. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge fight. I love you. Hey everybody.

Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Sleen and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan. Jordan.

Jordan. Quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today, Jordan, is that, you know, I'm a pretty even keel type of fella. You are? Yes. A monotonous, some might say monotone.

I mean, you keep it level. Yes. Yeah. And so I decided for fun, I'm going to get hype. Okay. I'm going to force, I'm going to force getting hyped about something in advance. All right. Okay.

And that is that fire. You trying to steal my job? No. Fire Emblem of Engage is coming out in January. Oh, that's right. And so I'm going to artificially be fucking pumped. Are you pumped? I'm so pumped.

I'm kind of excited too. Are you ready about it? I'm excited to play it. It looks really fun, but I'm going to, I'm going to overdo it probably a little bit. Just as a, sort of as a bit, but then also as an exercise, see if like maybe, maybe hype works on me. Right. Right.

Right. Maybe, maybe you wear the skin of somebody with hype. Right. Maybe I'm like, all this feels right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. I got you.

I got you. But yeah, it looks, it looks good. Yeah. The only thing that I'm worried about is it takes away what I loved so much about three houses, which was the, it's in a school. Yeah. Is where is it? I don't know.

Oh, well that does make school. That makes things a little bit more challenging. Well, maybe it isn't a school. Now that I say this out loud, I have no idea. I just saw a tiny little video. Yeah. That sounds about right. Anyway, turn based RPG fun.

Hype. Hype. Yeah. You just, you just went from being hype all the way down to back to level again. You got to stay high. It takes a lot out of me. I know it's tough. Yeah.

It is tough. I don't have the energy for this. My bright spot is I saw my wife and I saw Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio. Absolutely stellar. Really, really good. Like the movie is good, but the stop motion animation is the best thing I've, there's this, there's this scene. Can you, can you tell me what the movie is again really quick?

Pinocchio. Okay. Yeah. That's what I thought you said. Yeah. I got distracted because I saw the date and I thought it was a palindrome, but then I realized that was last year when 12, 11, 21 would have been right, but 22, I got distracted and I was like, did he fucking say Pinocchio?

So I had to clarify. Right. Right. Right. Right. Sorry. Sorry, but not as interesting as possible. Palindrome.

Just distractible. As distractible as I am. Fair enough. No, the stop motion, there's this one scene with stop motion animation where there's this floating balloon, this slightly floating balloon, the type that you know where the string is just barely touching and it's a little bit above that. Yeah. Yeah.

And it's, it's so, it's incredible. Nice. It's mind-blowingly good. Is it super dark? No. I mean, it's the original Pinocchio. Do you remember that? It's pretty dark, right?

It's darker shit. Yeah. It turns into a donkey. It's eaten by a fucking thing. You know? I don't remember all the details, but I remember it being darker than the Disney version. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, so yeah, it's a little bit like that, but with Guillermo del Toro monsters, so it seems a lot darker than it really is just because his monster design is so, you know, if it was Miyazaki monsters, you'd be like, oh, this is a fun kid's story with a lot of dark elements. But then we drifted a little closer to H.R. Giger.

Exactly. And then you're in the hall of uncanny valleys. Oh shit. Yep. So Jordan, today we have an episode to do. We're going to be going back to the past to 2003. Fun. We're going to be talking about December 5th, 2003.

Whoa. And the reason for this is we've been covering a lot of stuff lately. Yeah. There's been the yay business. Yes. Alex has a response to it. There's a bit of Fuentes and stuff. And I think this stuff is really important to discuss and important to cover.

Oh, great. And we're not going to not continue to, nor are we going to not follow Alex in the present and such. Of course. But I think you run the risk of, if we only talk about that stuff, it gives a overwhelming perception of maybe how uniform it is. You know what I mean? Yes.

If our show is all of that, I worry about the listeners taking in too much of that and giving the sense that we think that everything all around is white supremacist and Nazi. Jumping off. You need a little break from time to time. Right. A little break. Yes. And I think the past is a great respite.

Yes. Absolutely. And the present sucks. True. And you're not really learning anything in the present. Generally, it's kind of watching stuff and being like, oh, this is bad. Whereas when you go back to the past, there's actually like illuminating things. There's stories that are interesting, that have implications.

Sure. You learn things about the way Alex, his brand has evolved over the years. Naturally. And I think that that is something that I find far more captivating than him failing to interview a couple of guys who love it. Yeah. What's interesting about the past is that when you can look at something and then see what consequences did occur.

There's a lot more interesting stuff to be learned from that because you have actual evidence of what will happen if you do this thing in this circumstance. Whereas if you stay in the present all too often, I mean, it does feel like we're constantly within the same framework and minor details are changing. Yeah. Nick Fuentes hasn't said something new we haven't heard about white supremacy before. True. You can get tunnel vision staying in the present a little bit too.

This may be a better way to express what I'm, I don't want to, you know, play into. Listen to knowledge fight. You're not going to be putting a tunnel. That's our new catchphrase. We avoid tunnels. No tunnels. So we'll get down to business on this before we do Jordan. Let's say hello to new walks.

Oh, that's a great idea. So first Nick B in Austin. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Nick didn't get buttons last time, but apparently sent an email. Nick, there's some coming out for you and your partner. Sorry about that.

Yeah. Next honky tonk. But Dondie Donk. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. I had a number of people email me about that, about a missed opportunity.

And I feel like honky tonk. But Dondie wonk is better. That's, I mean, I, you know what? I'm going to sit this one out. You know that song? I'm not going to adjudicate. You know the song honky tonk. But donka donk.

I have heard this song. Honky tonk. But donka donk. Well, that's why I want to stay away from this because my disdain for all of it is so great. It was a big hit at the karaoke bars back when I was going to those ones on the outskirts of town. Oh, I recall there was a time where someone made me line dance. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Next, that awkward moment when you realize your name reminds Jordan of Richard Spencer. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, I just got accepted into paramedic school. So what better time to become a policy walk?

Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Brandon says Emily is a policy walk and I love her. Thank you so much. You are now a policy walk.

I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. I was Brandon saying that he loves Emily. Right. I don't know Emily. You have not met Emily. I don't know Emily. You don't know Emily.

So there's no, I mean, you don't dislike Emily. No, no, no, no. Complete indifference. But any accusations that I love Emily are unfounded. Absolutely. I will have none of this. Accepted. So Emily, we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

So happy winter solstice, Makayla. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone sonomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark.

Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes. Thank you very much.

We're going to come back into December 2003. Right. We are still in advance of Saddam being found. Right. Which again is what we're, what we're heading towards. Yeah. In the, in this chronology. We're, we're heading towards that, trying to see how Alex reacts,

his coverage and the lead up to it as well. As we know, he believes that Saddam is still alive. Right. Which is accurate. True. But he believes that he has fled the country, is in Belarus with a bunch of stolen gold and his, his sons who are actually dead. It's going to be weird to explain how Saddam went from comfort

in Belarus to the essential cave. A hole? Yeah. A hole in the ground. Yeah. It will be tough, but Alex is up for the challenge. I'm sure. Okay.

So we start here and Alex has a little bit of a different take on some geopolitical figures back in 2003. Is this Putin? Dozens die in Russian train blast. Putin's been caught doing it in the past. He's our number one suspect. Oh boy. Jesus man.

So in 2003, Alex is very much a, Putin did the bombings as a false flag pretext. Yeah. In order to fight the Chechens. Yeah. And so that is completely different now. Yeah. I think, I think one thing I like about having consistent principles is

that I haven't had to change my opinion on Putin ever. Not one time have I thought, well, maybe. Nope. 100% anti-Putin from the jump. I've had some misgivings about him. Yeah. I will say that it maybe in 2003, I'm pretty sure I was, I think it was 19.

Yeah. So there's no reason for me to have gone on the record. Sure. Sure. I don't know. You were writing a little column. Maybe, maybe I had a big pro Putin day. It did not.

Okay. So there's another story. Alex, you know, when we're in the past, one of the things that Alex does is he has like the roundup of the stories and then a load of bullshit for about two and a half hours. Sure. And then the last segment of the show is him repeating those headlines. Redoing the roundup of the news.

Yeah. Gotta hit the news. Bang it out. And so here's some of the stories that we're going to, he has. Here's a big one. Also, when I saw this Toronto Star article headline, girl six locked in dryer for weeks at a time. I knew automatically it would be CPS.

The way the headline was written, I knew that they would call it the mother and then bury in the article that it was CPS because about 90% of the time, when I hear about someone being tortured or killed in their parents custody, the bottom of the article, they will say that it was a foster parent or CPS. I spent quite a bit of time trying to track this story down, but I was unable to find the actual news story that was covering this case.

But right off the bat, it can't be the CPS because this is a story that happened in Canada where the U.S. Child Protective Service doesn't have any jurisdiction. They don't have extradition? No. Oh, okay. The Toronto Star article itself isn't online anymore and the Wayback Machine doesn't have a snapshot of it,

but cruising around, I was able to find some other cases that Alex might want to consider. In late October, 2003, a 23-year-old mother in Somerville, Georgia, was arrested for throwing her eight-month-old into a dryer. Or, in November 2000, a woman in Niles, Michigan, was arrested for shutting her six-year-old son in a running dryer

to punish him for playing hide-and-seek during which time he had hid in the dryer. Jesus Christ. One of the things that I sadly learned while prepping this episode is that apparently people put babies in dryers more than you'd think, which is horrible. Even if you grant that all the details of the story Alex is telling are true, it's still not a valid point. There are definitely valid critiques of the CPS and foster care system to be made

and anything that can be done to protect the children in that world is immoral imperative to pursue, but abuse like this happens in all different contexts. The image that Alex is trying to present is that it never happens between a parent and a child and whenever there's a headline that reads like that's the case, it's secretly a situation where the CPS is abusing children and trying to blame it on parents because the globalists hate families. In hindsight, it really shouldn't come as a huge surprise that Alex got caught up in shit like

Pizza Gate, the Wayfair stuff, and pretty much every other child abuse satanic panic we've seen over the last years. He's never really taken the issue seriously, so what he's doing now is more or less the natural progression of what you see even back in 2003. It's a cartoonishness around a fairly serious issue. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that is one of those things where I can definitely understand the desire to think that it only would be an evil organization that could do that.

That is one of those things where you want to retreat from the idea that a parent, no matter what the circumstances, could even do that. Yeah. I get that, but also, no, that's not how it works. Right. That's one example of a few, actually. I think that you're going to see on this episode of places where conspiracy theories serve to make things feel more like you think they should be.

Right, right, right, right. And that's maybe an underappreciated dynamic of some of the narratives that people put out. Yeah, absolutely. If it can't possibly be this, that doesn't make sense to me emotionally, intuitively, or whatever. Right. Or even just hopefully. Yeah, yeah. So Alex reads these headlines, right?

And he knows these articles. He knows what they say before he even reads them. And I read the article. And of course, as always, it was exactly as it normally is. So I know what's in these articles before I read them. That's how out of control, the global of starlets, how it looks when you call in and start reading some article that I haven't even seen. I guess the next line, I do that every day.

You know, it's some article poo pooing the Kennedy assassination with the government involved. Or but some article saying there's no world government or there's some article saying surveillance is good. They're all basically the same, the same techniques, the same propaganda. This is such a perfect encapsulation of Alex's methods, except he's lying about following up by reading the stories. He just sees a headline and decides he knows what the article is about, then doesn't change his mind when presented with evidence that his manufactured narrative is based on nothing. I think in my mind, what happens is this, right? He reads a headline and then starts thinking of what he wants it to be.

And as he starts reading the words, all of a sudden they swirl together in a magic paper and then rearrange themselves the way that he wants them to go. But it only happens in his mind. Yes. Well, but it's exactly that, except for the part where he's still looking at the words while they're rearranging. Right, right, right. He's already thrown that paper away. He's just imagining what the story is and he's like, oh my God, the globalists are up to no good. Yeah, well, I bother wait for the words to redo themselves. You can just throw the paper in the garbage. So Alex has some memories of fires.

Sure. And he's wrong. Great fires. They're pretty big fires. Chicago fires. No, more recent than that. Okay. But he's very wrong about his memories.

Okay. A few months ago out in LA and San Diego, I have the TV news and radio news reports, as well as a local news report that admitted that most of the fires in between San Diego and LA, where they originally started four at one time, were set during Marine Corps and Army Joint Training. Just accidentally four separate areas. Dozens of miles from each other. Just magically these fires accidentally started.

And then I remember the fires last year in Arizona. Marines in the hills doing a training up. I just, I mean, how do I even express how out of control all this is. So the fall of 2003 was a horrific season for fires in California, which would eventually come to include 14 different fires. The Cedar fire being remembered as the most severe of the bunch. The first one on October 21st was called the Roblar two fire. This one was accidentally started at the Marine Corps base Camp Pendleton on the firing range.

This was a particularly complicated fire response because it was on federal land. And beyond that, just consider all the things that could explode at a Marine base. And you can get some sense of how delicately fire teams needed to tread. And it ended up being pretty bad. Yeah. As shitty as this sounds, fires at these bases, it's not a terribly uncommon thing. I was able to find examples of fires breaking out just at Camp Pendleton in 2008 and 2014. And that was barely even putting any effort into looking.

I mean, I, and I'm just going to say, like, I feel like I've lit minor fires just existing in my own place. And there are far fewer flammable things about, you know, like there's a lot of people in a large amount of flammable things. Stuff is going to light on fire. Especially on a firing range. Yeah, exactly. Fires right there in the name. It's all fire. So many of the other fires were smaller in nature, but they contributed to an environment where firefighting resources were spread thin,

made worse by a dry season and the arrival of some bad Santa Ana winds that made fires spread much more easily. The Cedar Fire, which the San Diego government describes as, quote, the largest wildland fire in California history, was started, quote, when a hunter became lost and lit a small fire to signal for help. One of the other large fires called the old fire was started by an arsonist named Ricky Lee Fowler, who burned a house down after he was kicked out of it. The fire ended up killing five people and in 2013 he was found guilty of those murders and sentenced to death. Another of the large fires was the Grand Prix fire, which was suspicious, but was called an accident by investigators in 2004, likely the result of an exhaust spark or cigarette butt.

Sure. I wonder what evidence Alex is basing his claims on, and he doesn't cite a single source other than his memories of unnamed news things he claimed to have seen, so it seems like maybe he's just talking shit. If I had to guess, I would say that he's taking the fact that the Robelar II fire began at Camp Pendleton and then pretending that some of these other fires, like the old or Grand Prix, also had military involvement in their ignition. Sure. That seems in line with how his mind works and how he processes information. Right.

No, I understood that part. Yeah, yeah. That was the nefarious evil part that was, like he's saying that all of these fires got started at military bases. No, no, no, not all military bases, but all military. Right, right, right. He's like, oh, see, get it? Because it's a globalist. Right, but I don't understand what their goal is.

Climate change, something to make people think it's worse or something. I don't know. So they conscript Marines to start random, massive forest fires in order to trick people into thinking the global... I mean, it has nothing to do with property values. I don't know. Oh, gotta have that. So Alex isn't specific about what fire he's talking about in Arizona, but I believe the one he's talking about, the big one that fits around the timeframe that he's mentioning is known as the Aspen fire.

This fire burned for just short of a month and ended up covering over 84,000 acres of land. And it was also in the woods, which fits Alex's description. Initially, folks thought that it was possibly caused by a lightning strike, but investigators fairly quickly ruled that out as none of the telltale signs were there. It's believed that it was human caused, and while the definite origin isn't known, there was a man who ended up being charged with and convicted of lying to investigators about whether or not he was smoking on the trail that day exactly where the fire was known to have started. Right.

It's a pretty safe assumption that this was the inciting incident that caused the fire, or I guess secret globalist military exercises involved setting off giant fires for some unknown and unachieved goal. Yeah. Alex is welcome to prove that if he wants. Yeah. In the interest of full disclosure, the military does hold training exercises twice a year in that area in a program called Angel Thunder. It's about personnel recovery, but it absolutely would not be taking place near the trail where the fire started. Yeah.

And that program began in 2006. Sure. But there is that. There is a base right nearby this Mount Lemmon, the area where the fire was. And so it's conceivable that there might have been some sort of an exercise that pre-existed Angel Thunder. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But even so, investigators are able to zero in on a pretty close location of where the fire started.

Right. And it wouldn't be anywhere near where people were doing exercises. No, that would be absurd. Yeah. Yeah. Alex has some work to do to prove this. Man, you know, when you hear that fire burn for a month, you know, it's so fucking crazy to remember. You know, we spend so much of our lives with complete mastery over fire.

You know, like, I've got an oven. I can turn the fire on and off. I got a lighter in my pocket. We have the illusion of mastery. Exactly. And then it gets out of control a little bit and it's burning for a month. Yeah. That's fucking crazy.

It is. Yeah, man. What you hear is that these kinds of giant devastating events can be easily caused by mundane and seemingly inconsequential things and that doesn't feel right. It's an everyday action for so many people to just toss their cigarette butts on the ground. So it doesn't seem possible that doing that could lead to tens of thousands of acres being burned and hundreds of homes being destroyed. It's not fair.

But it can happen. It can, but it's not fair. And I feel that. I feel that. Yeah, I agree. The fact that it doesn't feel right, that something so insignificant could have such severe effects can have the result of causing people to seek for explanations that do feel right. Something as huge as a month long fire requires a commensurate cause like a shadowy world

government plot. It's debatable whether Alex is a person who suffers from this need to come up with emotionally satisfying stories to explain world events or if he knows that the audience does any exploits that to profit from them. I'm not sure, but either way, it's really best not to take information from him. Yeah. He's not good at this. Yeah.

Yeah. Man. Oh boy. Of all the, of all the cockamamie screw ups, never, I will boy being responsible for a forest fire. Yeah. I mean, the story of the Cedar fire one too is really a bummer because, you know, in some ways, if you're a hunter and you're lost and like you have a potential that you might die

out in the woods. I've seen it on TV, they've done that, you know. Signal fires are something that survivalists are taught to totally to do. It's not outside of the realm of like, well, what else am I supposed to do in the situation? And then the side effect of it, you know, is this hundreds of thousands of acres end up burned? And it's a, it's a complete disaster. Yeah.

No, it puts all of the reality survival contest shows that I've ever seen in such a weird, like whenever you stop and think about like, Oh, we're, we're fucking up a section of the earth for my entertainment. You know, it messes with your head, but the idea that it's entirely possible that one of those shows, not obviously it hasn't happened, but in the future, we don't, we don't know maybe maybe it has, you know, it's, well, I mean, that would be the globalist for sure if they did it for TV. Yeah.

Yeah. But it could. Yeah. I mean, like even on survivor, like there have been times when the like the shelter has burned down. But like, it doesn't spread for a month. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a, it's, you know, I mean, I don't know how else to say it, but life is very fragile. Yeah. Yeah. It is, it is emblematic of how cavalierly we've treated this whole fucking planet. Yeah. And then this, this season in 2003 is so fascinating because you have this, like this cedar fire that is caused by this guy who's signaling for help. Yeah.

And it's an accident. Yeah. Nothing wrong. Totally. Totally. Maybe didn't make the fire as well as he could have. Maybe there's something. Sure.

It could have been anything. Yeah. You wouldn't, you wouldn't assign moral culpability to him for that. And then simultaneously there's this old fire that is an arsonist who said it. Moral culpability. All day. Yeah. But you have these burning within the same season and it's easy to get all of them in

your head as the same fire because fire all looks the same. Right. And then there's smoke. So 2003 was the year of fire moral relativism as explained. Yeah. Strange. It took a while preparing this episode because I had those sorts of thoughts. Yeah.

You kind of got, yeah, that'd fuck you up for a little bit. And then because of this story, which blew my mind. Just look at the types of articles I have here. Look at this. This is the Newsmax article. I also have a little AP blurb on this. It should be national news. Mexican troops kidnapped Texas family.

I'm sorry. What? What's the main headline on Newsmax right now? Uncensored Harris Hilton. Why should I care if the whore daughter of the 2003 World Order Dynasty is putting out porno tapes? I guess you shouldn't. I don't know.

You're welcome not to. Boy, yeah. I was happy not doing that. But that's easy. You got distracted away from the fact that Mexican troops kidnapped the Texas family. I am wilded out by that. That really should be headline news. As starting a conflict, was that the beginning of the second Mexican-American war?

So this is a wild Newsmax story where a guy named Robert Mopin claimed that he and his family had been kidnapped by as many as eight Mexican soldiers who had crossed the border to capture him. Mysteriously, they were let go and this wasn't an international incident that was sparked over it. Crossing over borders to detain people, even when their wanted fugitives is a messy business as Dog the Bounty Hunter learned firsthand. So it seems wild to imagine that this story happened as Mopin describes.

He claims that he had reported a meth lab on his land to the DEA who then told the Mexican authorities. Sure. It's unclear why they would do this considering that his land is in the United States, but let's not get lost in the media. Yeah, you're right. Good call. This headline ends with a question mark because even they aren't sure about this and the sourcing

is thin. Well, whose quote was it that if it ends in a question mark, the answer is no. I don't know. Any news article. Thomas Jefferson. Yeah, might as well be. And if the Newsmax folks had done even a little bit of legwork, they would not have had a good cause to publish this story or, you know, even if they threw the question mark in for

safety. Sure. Because obviously that question mark is going to be ignored by xenophobic demagogues like Alex when they report the story. Well, that's there. Yeah. So I was poking around. Sure.

I came across an article in the New York Times. Oh, what did this, what did this fucking guy get arrested for in the past? Right? Here we go. Sometimes I read a news story and it's like I know what it's going to be before I say. So there was an article in the Times from May 1997 that includes this little tidbit quote Bob Moppen who maintains that he was arrested on his own land by Mexican soldiers protecting a meth lab says smugglers have tried to run him down in their trucks.

That's from 97. 97, huh? That article also explains how Moppen had started his own vigilante group that wanders the border and makes citizens arrest with the blessing of the deputy sheriff Robert Novak, who calls them Bob's boys. Yeah, that sounds great. As the Times explains it, quote Moppen and several several friends have started a campaign of citizens arrest dressed in camouflage fatigues.

They carry semi automatic rifles, their own Vietnam era seismic sensors and zip ties for handcuffs. Quote, we get together at night and make a game out of it. Who can catch the most? He says, if you dress properly, they don't know who you are. So we get really, really good cooperation. Right. Yeah.

Those guys should be in jail. Yeah. Of all the people who should be in jail in this story. It is those dudes. Yeah. So this guy created a militia that terrorizes immigrants for fun and he's claimed on more than one occasion that he's been kidnapped by Mexican soldiers crossing the border because he snitched on a meth lab.

Seems like that story isn't true and maybe it's a rationalization for why Moppen does this horrible shit so he doesn't have to feel like a monster. Yeah. In 2016, Moppen was interviewed about his support for Trump's wall in the Monterey Herald and strangely his multiple times being held captive by the Mexican government doesn't come up. Yeah. Weird.

That's so odd. Weirdly, neither does his creation of a vigilante gang. That seems very important to any context about him. Yeah. Instead, they say that he quote, isn't shy about letting Mexican migrants and smugglers know that they aren't welcome to pass through his sprawling property in the tiny town of Boulevard. If you can read this, you're in range, one sign says on his property.

Here's one thing that I have an interest in when you're reporting on this type of thing. Sure. It's a vigilante group or gang or you could say it's a group of men who commit hate crimes on the regular. Yeah. And it's the same thing. So maybe one was more accurate though. Perhaps.

Yeah. Then there's a book called Illegals, the imminent threat posed by our unsecured US-Mexico border. Fuck me. This book retells a time when Moppen was kidnapped by Mexican troops. I love it. I love sticking to his fictional story. I like it. This time, it was along with his daughter.

Sure. Sure. Yeah. And it happened in 1985. Starring Liam Neeson. Yeah. Apparently he told a friend of his who worked in narcotics enforcement that he smelled ether on his property and that there was a building about half a mile from the border that was

usually empty, but he would periodically see it occupied. He would know it was occupied because plainclothes men with weapons would be patrolling and they would hoist a Mexican flag. Sure. And then they would go to the labs on foreign soil, like to do more than announce their presence and draw attention to themselves. Absolutely. He and his daughter were out shooting and were confronted by Mexican troops carrying

NATO weapons. It should be noted that this situation is about the same setup as the story being told in 2003 where his whole family was out shooting when they got confronted by the Mexican troops. These troops said that they were looking for illegal guns and drugs, which they have no jurisdiction to investigate in US soil, so this is ridiculous. They also said that they were looking for Senior Mopin, which Robert said, quote, made it pretty clear to me that I had made somebody in the Mexican government angry by sticking my nose into their drug business.

I would say regularly committing hate crimes probably makes a lot of people mad at you. He warned the troops that their guns weren't legal here, whereas his were. One of the soldiers didn't care and tried to take his daughter's gun. Oh, fuck me. So she backhanded him and quote, just about knocked him flat. Oh my God. Others readied their weapons. So Mopin and his daughter put down their guns, knowing that they were outmatched.

Okay. This story is a convoluted mess and I don't believe a word of it. This part is particularly unbelievable, quote, Robert Mopin was planning to pursue legal remedies, but federal officials told him he would have to be in court for three to four months straight. No. Upon which time he decided to let the matter drop. Well, that it's a, hey, you know what, sure, the entire Mexican government sends a small

cadre of troops to apparently kidnap you, but three or four months in court, three or four months. Instead of spending those months in court, I guess Mopin decided to recycle this story on a couple more occasions to justify his disgusting vigilante actions and in the process, create new cycles that incite fear and hatred of Mexican immigrants. Anyway, this is part of the story that Alex doesn't cover because he doesn't care. He just looks for headlines that help him get involved in that same incitement of fear and hatred, but it does the job.

He ignores the question mark and ignores, Hey, who is this guy? What's going on? Oh, he's told this story multiple times. He seems to keep getting kidnapped. Like it's ridiculous. You know, whenever they try and leave Gilligan's Island, they end up back on Gilligan's Island. Yeah. It feels like that.

He keeps getting kidnapped. I will say this. Never before has this story made me more likely to believe that Steve Pacenek is Jack Ryan. Okay. This is the one. And like each time he's telling these stories, he doesn't say not again or something like that.

Oh boy. Here we go again. Each time it's it's in the present tense and it's a new instance of getting kidnapped. Oh, God damn it, John boy. The Mexican government has come to kidnap us again. It's ridiculous. That is absurd. So anyway, Alex is, he's sold on this story for sure.

Of course. He doesn't cover it too much because what is there to cover past the headline? I mean, it's, it tells you everything you need to know. And then just being like, why isn't everybody talking about this? I mean, if it were in any effect true, yes, I agree. Why aren't people talking about this? If it were in any way true, I would, I would suggest that there's a decent chance that he wouldn't have a choice about whether or not he went to court with it.

Oh, absolutely not. I feel like the US government would take it to court. Yeah. He would be compelled to testify under subpoena, making him more likely to be jailed by the United States government than the Mexican government in all honesty. Yeah. It's, I mean, you can't, you can't detain foreign nationals on foreign soil. No, even if your best is buds, like it is countries, like there's still no, even if

Canada accidentally at the fucking Niagara Falls, just grabbed a guy and pulled him across the border. It would be an international incident. You would have to have the permission of the other government. That's the rules. So Alex talks a little bit about drills. It's an interesting take on this because this is not the way he behaves in the present. I mean, I've seen articles of several hundred urban warfare training drills in the last

two weeks all over the country. Chances are you have one in your town and they'll get the high school drama club to have fake intestines hanging out and arms blown off and fake blood spraying. I've got some of this in the right drama club did not have just north of Austin. In a temple and the little town south of their belt and it's not little towns of 50,000 people. And what do I have? I mean, robots rolling around with shotguns, army troops walking up and asking what we're

doing, two cars exploding in downtown, fire and black smoke shooting up, guys running around throwing hang grenades into cars, the mayor gets up and goes, we've been attacked by terrorists on the headline of the newspaper said, Belton, it's in the film. Attacked by terrorist. And I said to the mayor at the end of it, I said, sir, this has all been a drill. And he goes, of course, it's been a drill. But again, that was at the bottom of a two page article that it was a drill. But you're reading it having the emotional response.

You see, this is what happens to an unconscious mass of people. It creates the perception. Your subconscious considers that there are all these terrorist attacks. This definitely isn't the reason that Alex says that there are training and scenario exercises now. Yeah, this is a completely different conspiracy narrative that he's expressing in the past. In this conception, he thinks that there are all these exercises because your unconscious mind will experience them as if they're real

attacks, and you'll emotionally think that there are more attacks than there actually are because of your heightened state of subconscious fear. The globalists will be able to exploit you into supporting things that are sold to you in the name of protecting you from these attacks. Of course, in more present times, these exercises exist to give cover to real false flag attacks. For instance, the operation lockstep shit existed so that the globalists could plan the COVID-19 release. And if anyone was caught, they could say it was part of the exercise.

Leaving aside how stupid that theory is, it's the it's worlds apart from this 2003 understanding of these exercises. And that's because at this point in 2003, Alex doesn't seem to have recognized the value of fully denying reality and calling everything false flags. Yeah, his business model is still kind of in its infancy and hasn't matured to this present day level that we see now where it's like, fuck it, everything matured or metastasized. Yeah, yeah.

Also, if Alex thinks these exercises exist to give people a subconscious sense that things are worse than they are, I would suggest he consider how he covers news and how the lies and exaggerations he reports give his audience the impression that things are worse than they are specifically around certain themes like immigration and white identity fears. Listen, I don't understand what you're saying. Are you saying that he is like, whenever he says that the government is trying to subconsciously make people more afraid of terrorism by creating

these things, are you saying that he is then taking something like the story of an absolute lunatic and then bolstering it with his bullshit to make it look like everybody is in being invaded by a different country all the time? Yeah, more or less. That sounds right. And also, like, I wasn't able to find this article that he was talking about. But like, I bet that article is just somebody at a newspaper having a little bit of a flourish.

You know, it's you've read those articles that are like bombs are exploding everywhere. And then like the second or third paragraph, it's like, it was all an exercise to train people for the blah, blah, blah, 100 percent. You know, you write as if it's real at the at the lead in the beginning because it's kind of fun. And also with the conception that most of your readers will know already from the word go that bombs were not actually going off in their own town.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Alex is a little bit maybe a little bit over exaggerating a little dumb. Yeah. So apparently Columbine false flag, baby. Oh, yeah. FEMA and quote, the Secret Service have been running a secret federal program to protect our schools. Yeah, the program starts in 98 and 99. You have Columbine and who the son of an FBI agent founded trench coat mafia two years before.

Harris and Clybold's parents are both ones of military officer. Another one of the secret underground quantum mechanics, a nuclear base. And these guys run the school's computers and there's a hundred bombs inside the sheriffs meeting with the principal while they attack takes place. The school was half empty, but you can put two and two together. Can't you, folks? Can you? These are giant theatrical events. They'll have a couple hundred fake ones and then a real one occasionally.

And people have the perception that it's real that there's thousands of school shootings and thousands of terrorist attacks. In fact, in 99 here in Austin, and this is in road to tyranny. They had fake bio attacks, fake chemical attacks, shutdowns of most of downtown and we pull up at the scene and see the role player. They're standing behind his car shaking hands with the cops high and tight. You know, haircut. It was a military officer and the news had had him as a possible

Arab terrorist and are we being attacked? And then later that night, they quietly announced, oh, it was just a drill. What Alex is expressing with his drill talk appears to go like this. A training drill happens, which no one is claiming is a real event. Alex pretends that people are saying it is a real event and takes on the role of the guy insisting these are fake drills. Eventually, a news outlet covers the drill and Alex takes that as an admission that it was fake all along and that his yelling forced them to end their cover up.

His role in the whole thing is a charade and entirely meaningless. Unfortunately, this is exactly the kind of thinking that left unexamined for too long and enabled by a further radicalized conspiracy environment leads to a person losing a billion dollars. All that stuff about Colobine does sound remarkably similar to the stuff Alex says about Sandy Hook. Yeah, not necessarily in terms of the specifics of the claim, but the way that there's a collection of claims that he almost certainly

got from completely disreputable sources, which aren't accurate, but he throws out any way to defend his contention that it was a big theatrical event. It's the same way that he has all of these talking points that it'd be like, well, kids are walking around the schools, the porta-potties, you know, they didn't let paramedics in, you know, like all of these things. That's exactly what you heard with his description of Columbine. Yeah, no, it's it's definitely seasonal to live. We're literally talking to the ghost of his Christmas past as we speak.

It is a little bit on the nose, the current circumstances of our situation in terms of ghosts of Christmas pasts. Also important point, Harrison Clebold were not in the trenchcoat mafia. That's a group that existed at the school who were wrongly associated with the shooting because the shooters wore dusters. Most of the people in that actual crew had graduated the year prior, but in the panic of the immediate aftermath, of course, people got them confused. And the media did a poor job of covering this, leading to misconceptions

that linger to this day, much like the narrative that Harrison Clebold were bullied, which also is not the full accurate description of what led to that. Yep. Yep. So anyway, Alex is wrong about another school shooting. Sure. It's good to good to always see that from the jump. Right as rain. He's always wrong. His downfall was cemented kind of so many years ago.

Yeah, it was written in stone. So fascinating. Yeah. Yeah. Because this is not saying necessarily in any way that like the shooting was faked, right, or that no one died or anything like that. But you already see the seed that's going to grow into his present day here. And that's like it almost gives. Yeah, there's a feeling of inevitability. It's a mind. It's a bit of a mind fuck, you know, when you when you start

looking at things from a teleological perspective and then you see, I mean, an exact like nucleus of the future. It's it's fascinating to think of. You wouldn't know that this is the kind of place it could go to back then. Right. But looking back, it seems so obvious in a doc. It's the documentary of like John Lennon walking by a guitar store. Like it's that kind of it's that kind of feeling of like that's what I'm going to be when I grow up.

So there was a drill in Austin. Sure. And Alex was like, that's just fake. That's just fake as hell. So he bluffed the news. Right. Get this. This is amazing. OK. They had fake bio attacks, fake chemical attacks, shut downs of most of downtown and we pulled up at the scene and see the role player there standing behind his car shaking hands with the cops high and tight, you know,

haircut. It was a military officer. And the news had had him as a possible Arab terrorist. And are we being attacked? And then later that night, they quietly announced, oh, it was just a drill. I was already on the air that day going, it's a drill, it's a drill, it's a drill, it's a drill, it's fake, it's fake, it's fake. And then they had a fake nuclear spill and then announced that night. OK, it was just a drill.

Then they had three attacks where they shut down hospitals and the DPS and the rest of it and turned out that they were going to go ahead and keep saying it was a lie. And I called ABC News or locally and I said, look, and I bluffed. This is war. I rarely do this. I asked the listeners, was this proper? I lied to him. I said, I got proof it's fake. I know you're involved in it.

I'm going on air with this on TV tonight. I've got witnesses from inside your organization within an hour. ABC locally was reporting just a drill, just a drill, just a drill. So you got scooped on your line. You're under major psychological warfare attack. Yeah. So Alex, I mean, I think there's a couple of things that you could pull out of there. The first is that he lies about sources. I was going to say, like that's that how do you when you admit that the first

time I can't ever trust you again. That's how news works. Yeah, you might be bluffing, especially since in the telling of this story, whether it's true or not, right, it's not, it's not. He got the outcome that he wanted. Right. And so lying works. So why would you stop lying at any given point in time? Seems like he has an incentive to lie based on his own telling of this story.

And so this is again, this all exists in his head. This, this feels like when the Boston bombing happened and he feels like the media is talking to him. Yeah. Yeah. And there's like, they had to get out ahead of me. Right. They're saying this. And it's like, no, there was a drill that you were yelling about. And the news was probably going to have a story about how there was a drill. Because it was a drill.

And you called and bluffed them about sources and what have you. And it meant nothing. They were like, I don't know what to do with this phone call. Right. Click. Cool. Yeah. I mean, this is like the perfect state of Alex. Yeah. Being annoying. But ultimately, he has no impact at anything. Impotent is what he should be.

There is no nothing he's changing. Like in terms of these drills and stuff. Yeah. Like they're they're happening. People are learning how to respond to stuff. What do you want? Do you want people to have to deal with it for the very first time? The time it happens? Yes. No, that's bad. God will provide.

Think about all the first times that you've dealt with something. It's not always gone well. That's because God didn't want it to. I mean, OK, so let's say that there is a massive nuclear spill. You don't want to have somebody being like, hey, sorry, man, this is my first nuclear spill. Right. Because that's a reasonable excuse for why we're all dead. Well, and here's the other thing, too.

If you believe like what Alex is saying, then there are these like hundreds of fake events that are happening. Yeah. Right. Yeah. He's got to be like jumping from room to room. He's got to be like spinning plates to try and like cover all of this stuff to like get to the get to all of these fake events. Because if he didn't, the globalist would be allowed to pass them off as real. I have a bigger question.

Yeah. What is the ratio of fake events to real events? Are there more fake events than real events? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, are we talking about that in what what isn't a fake event? Don't you would you never want to be specific about that? Because I feel like if the ratio is the opposite, then the real events are the fake events. I think that in terms of, you know,

giant events, sure, mass casualty type events, I would imagine that, you know, if you want to use this language, there are more fake events than real ones in as much as there are training exercises that happen. Right. And a lot of EMTs and, you know, emergency medical stuff, along with military training type stuff. It's all there. Right. Those probably happen more than newsworthy giant.

But here's the thing is like Alex isn't covering all of these drills that happen. Can't. Not even close. Not even. There's too many. And guess what? Those ones that he doesn't cover aren't reported in the news as real. Right. Because otherwise we would be having like, oh, my God, nuclear, there's a lot of drills happening every all over the place. And they seem to be happening on almost like a calendar. It's a frequent event as if there was a regular training exercise

in case this sort of thing were to happen. The same thing seems to be happening biannually in the exact same place. It's a good thing that the show I listen to that tells me about this is not serialized. Otherwise, that would be an issue. It's all very dumb. Yeah. So Alex talks about the the Texas family story again,

the good nap and he takes it up a notch. The source said the Mexican unit may have been prompted to cross the U.S. because the family of father, other and three minors were shooting rabbits on their property. Well, yeah, the Marines will kill you if you're out shooting at rabbits. Sounds right to me along the border in Presetto County. By the way, we we've confirmed the report in North Carolina, a man on his own property hunting in a deer stand had British troops

threatened to arrest him and a FBI type guy in a suit arrived and said, get out of that deer stand. You're breaking our third amendment rights. Get off your property and don't come back. This was all done at machine gun point, by the way. Machine gun point machine gun point. Yeah. All right. OK. That's that's fun. That's fun.

I think it would be more fun. I think we would have all have a more fun life. If some people were just British troops, if some people were just suddenly kidnapped by British troops with machine guns, get off the land. That's almost whimsical. That is an almost whimsical evil. What happened? Blight America happened with the land. I don't know.

Did he had to leave? Apparently, it was machine gun point is for the Queen now. I don't understand what you're not getting about this. The Queen has claimed his house. Also, what's an FBI type guy? What's an FBI type guy? You know, it's one of those guys who's kind of like it. The type of black.

He's got the type. So this is obviously bullshit. But it's probably based on a fraudulent telling of a real fact, OK, which is that there is a tiny piece of land approximately 0.052 acres in North Carolina that is actually British soil. Interesting. There is a small patch of land on Oak Creek, Oak Island that's a memorial to five British soldiers who died there in World War Two.

The land is technically still in the US, but it's permanently leased to the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. So it might as well be British and it's kind of considered British land sure within the continental US. Let's just respect it. Yeah. So there is that. I think that's about as close as you're going to get. I imagine Alex heard that.

It was like, wait, the British are taking land in North Carolina. I love it. I love it. You see the connective tissue about how that could possibly lead to a guy getting kicked out of his dear stand by British troops. Totally. Yes. I 100 percent understand that. It makes total sense. Well, you're I mean, you're literally hunting on a burial ground. So, yeah, you're kind of an asshole here.

No, no, no. That didn't actually happen. No. Oh, OK. No, that's a little disappointing. I'm saying that the story at its core is just that this grave. That exists. OK, OK, OK. And that it's British soil within the United States. Sure. And it has to do with the military. Right. I'm saying that Alex was made aware of that.

And then he wrote a story in his head about a North Carolina man getting accosted by British troops at machine gun point who told him to get off the land. That does sound like the fun type of story that Alex would make up up immediately. But wait, the British have some land. Clearly, a hunter was kidnapped there. Yeah, like that's the way it's a foothold.

Yeah, that's the fun story. Yeah, that's that's how the embellishment cycle in the coal mine. Yeah. So Paul Joseph Watson is in I'll say Paul Joseph Watson being on the phone and just coming in for a little bit. Yeah, it's about where he belongs. No, he's not a host, but he can come in for like a little sting or whatever. And he's not not the worst. Yeah. And for some reason,

it sounds better when he's on the phone because it's like we got our guy embedded in sure, sure, sure, the war correspondent. Right. Right. Yeah. But unfortunately, the two of them are talking about this story about the Texas family that got kidnapped and Alex is out for blood. I'd like to get your take on it. How would the British people respond if if the French were coming across and kidnapping your citizens, you think it'd be a news item?

Or do you think it'd be ignored for a week and a half? Well, it depends, obviously, as he said, that particular news item should be mainstream headlines across the board. And of course, we had a book carrying on the Clinton policy of refusing to arm the border guards down there, even though they're getting shot up every week by the Mexicans. It is totally constitutional to put tanks, helicopters, F-16s on our border.

No, no, it is not. That's what we've always done in the past, kill every Mexican soldier on that border again, attacking us. Not constitutional. Attack them. You want to go to war, Washington, draft me. We're not going to war with Mexico. I'm sorry. It's in my blood. I want to crush that country. I'm sorry. Go ahead. Wow.

I want to crush Mexico. It's in my blood. I want to crush Mexico. Honestly, I honestly, if that was his reasoning, I would have to say, you know what, at least that's maybe honest, you know, like instead of all this, oh, Mexicans are evil. That's bullshit based on mythological racism. Sure. But you hate Mexico because your ancestors died fighting.

That's fine. That's fine. Yeah. You're spiritually connected to Colonel Travis or whatever the fuck. Yeah, you just hate Mexico. I honestly also think that if this was the way he acted more, it would be more consistent, like this is this kind of feels more like a sincere expression of his feelings. Yeah, I just hate Mexico and I want to crush that country.

Yeah, that's and also again, I mean, again, that's the it seems like the stakes are raised, but because they're raised so ridiculously high, no one's going to war with Mexico. No. And this is a fake bullshit story. The stakes are once again, back down to zero. Yeah, you know, it's fun. Alex has whipped himself up into a frenzy where he wants war against the neighboring state of Mexico over a very dubious article in Newsmax.

It doesn't begin to describe the headline ends with a question mark. Well, that's war worthy. I love to that. Alex is like in the same breath being like they lied to get us into Iraq. He's like, hey, listen, if I could make up some shit, then you can make up some shit. Let's go to war with Mexico. Five. So Alex takes some calls and this guy sucks.

I'll go ahead, Ken and finish up. Yeah, one more thing. This blue collar white male right here was looking for a job the other day and I happened to look in a newspaper and it in the article was anti-semitism in Europe is an alarming virus. They use the word virus like if it's a sickness in the article is anti white male and anti Arab male. And it seems like in the in this today on New World Order,

it's the white male and the Arab male is the negative force in the world. And it is dim too. They would like them to fight each other so they can have supremacy. Well, I appreciate the call. I think it's, you know, it's bigger. The globalists play every group against each other. I mean, if it's Africa, they play black tribe against black tribe. If it's England, they play, you know, Catholic against Protestant, Protestant

against Catholic. But I mean, certainly, I mean, they're creating divisions every which way. Well, they ride back, stay with us. And not inconsiderable amount of Alex's audience has always been this guy. Yeah. Anti-semitic, white identity, obsessed and paranoid. I think it illustrates something important to note that Alex pushes back on the part where white people and Arabs are being pitted against each other to say that the globalists pit all groups against each other,

but he doesn't really push back at all on the guy's claim that there's a Judeo New World Order. Well, sure. That's probably somewhat strategic the way he pushes back on some things and then leaves other things kind of like, yeah. Yeah, that is that is a way of introducing yourself, you know, blue collar, white male here is a way of and I go and then run away. Nope. No, no, no, no, no, I was looking for a job and I saw an ad that said blue collar, white man need not apply.

Yeah. It's like, well, I mean, if you say it like that, man, it's not a terrible. Also, this article that he's talking about was in the Help Wanted section. I mean, that seems weird. That is odd. Ha, it is odd. So Alex gets into a stretch here where there's some really bad predictions that he makes. OK. People say to me, aren't you worried?

And then frankly, folks, I have no doubt I'm going to be killed by him next week and be five years from now. Sure. I mean, it's an honor to fight against tyranny, to stand up against pure evil. I mean, I wouldn't go fighting Iraq because that's a joke. That's a fraud for them. But to defend my country and my family, it's not a question. Yes, Mexico. And across the street, you know,

five thugs with with with knives and guns were attacking an old lady. I know if I didn't even have weapons, I would go up and try to disarm one and kill the others. I would fight them. My instinct is to fight thugs and fight scum. And you know, that's how men were in the past. Folks, our forefathers had incredible courage, whether it was on sailing ships or, you know, you know, in faraway lands, regardless of what color we are,

men were men, women were women. You know, this is how it operated. I am not a castrated coward. And I know I could end up in the men's should have scurvy with O'Brien hanging over me. And, you know, they may be able to torture me enough to where I cry and say I love big brother. But the point is I stood up and I fought and we have this freedom.

We have this bounty. We have this liberty because countless hundreds of thousands and millions of people died in defense of humanity. And I'm part of that stream of history. And I'm part of that. Like the old Norse saying says, cattle die and kinsmen die. And so one will die oneself. There's one thing I know that never dies.

And that's the fame of a dead man's deeds. Paul, watch some comments to that. Comments on that, Paul. This is just Alex talking to himself. Paul, I would I would die for anything that I feel like. What are your comments on that? What are your thoughts on there by me? How how courageous do you think I am?

Am I super courageous or the most courageous there ever was? Your thoughts on that? You're looking rough and ready. I'm just thinking of British things. Yeah, Alex is just talking himself up there. And it's kind of fun that he believes that the globalists are definitely going to kill him. Maybe in five years, maybe tomorrow, who knows?

And now almost 20 years later, yeah, we sit here and he was not killed. Yep. Yeah. In fact, he made millions and millions of dollars by getting worse and worse. Yep. Full proof that if you die in your dreams, you do not die in real life. Right. Yeah. This is this is just sad. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think that there is probably a small part of Alex now

in the present that he said he didn't die at some point. Yeah, because this idea of the like what lives on is a man's deeds. Yeah. Like there is a time when he could have probably had a Bill Cooper ask exit where people like Dio, I mean, you can still have a very Bill Cooper exit, but it's Bill Cooper didn't end up living long enough to have like a complete right, like falling from grace is even lose a billion dollars. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. And like he didn't have to become like this weirdo public drunk

who shows up on these strange podcasts and makes an idiot of himself. Yeah. By the way, where's that Tyson interview? My Tyson interview where he did mushrooms seems not to have come out. Yeah, there are a lot of things that Bill Cooper didn't get to do. Yeah, I think I think like in some ways Alex. I mean, we talked about this even like hundreds of episodes back. I think like there is a certain sense that Alex has outlived his usefulness in terms of the conspiracy community and he continues on as this weird thing

that the next generation is trying to navigate how they use. He's almost vestigial. Yeah, he's like he's like an appendix. Like they need to excite. We all need to excise him from the human humanity. Yeah, he is in some ways, but there's still like something to be gained from him in terms of exposure and shout and stuff. Sure. It's just, yeah, it's strange.

It's not a position I think anybody would want to be in. No, no, no, no, I'm not I'm not expressing pity or anything. No, no, no, no, I mean, scriptively, I think he probably isn't where he wants to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean, that's such the greed of how can you want? I can't imagine making a hundred million dollars in like a business and not being like sweet. Guess what that means for me? I'm out. I'm out.

You know, I'm just I'm done with this stuff. You know, you somebody else can deal with all that bullshit. Well, but what if you had a underlying need to demonize people and satisfy your anger publicly and lash out? See, that's the problem. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't do that. You know, another thing I was thinking about to what's that? This is I don't know.

This might be tough to articulate exactly, but so much of Alex's career involves this idea that like like Fox News was going to give me millions of dollars. I was got, you know, like, yeah, but I couldn't be the thing that I want to be there. Right. And now Tucker Carlson is the most important person in the world. Yeah. Kind of contradicting Alex's entire ethos. Right. Like he could have conceivably gone to Fox News and been Tucker Carlson. I mean, I don't know. No, of course, he couldn't have.

No, no, no, I mean, well, I mean, Alex couldn't have because he doesn't have the control necessary to do it. Yes. But somebody working within Fox News could have had the show that Alex thinks he wants to have. Totally. There is a place within the institution that can be corrupted enough. Oh, totally. It's it's completely counter to his his ideas. But, you know, I mean, he couldn't do it. It's not it's a personal thing for him.

And that's true. And it's maybe because of him. He's unemployable. It is because of him, maybe that Tucker can be at Fox News. Like by being on the outside, Alex did more to influence Fox News than if he were inside it. That is probably true. But again, that's not the place that you would want to be if you were able to choose. Right. Right.

It is not the like fun or admirable or anything. No, no, no. It seems like it should be the admirable, you know, like turning down all the corporate money and all that seems like it should be the admirable thing until you're Alex. You know, then it's disgusting. Yeah. And he probably doesn't. But there's a lot of gold sale stuff going on.

Sure. No Ted. He doesn't pop in. Yes, because he didn't actually give up the corporate money, even in the slightest little bit. That's that's the thing about it. A gold corporation. Yeah. He just went to a different garbage. Weirdo corporations. Yes.

So there's like economic collapse talk being used to sell gold and then another shit prediction. Sure. People say, oh, we're in the middle of a recovery. Well, you just take a long term perspective, follow the line, which, you know, from two, three years ago. And it's a complete downturn. I know with all the shopping centers around here, strip malls, restaurants, you couldn't find a parking space two, three years ago. Now you walk into a store, it's a ghost town.

And I'm not trying to be negative, folks. I just look all we had left was the fiat currency. That's why we could buy all the slave goods. We we we have the world money that people accepted. And when it's fiat, it can lose value overnight. And now we're losing that and it's horrible. It's terrible for our economy. The little bit of money I've gotten the bank cash money has gone down in value by 30 percent.

And oops, the gold I've got has gone up by over 30 percent. So we discussed has now happened. You know what, though? Gold may go down next week or next month, but I'm not dumping my gold, Paul. What do you think of that decision? Well, it's a good decision. And we also have to remember that part of this stage, that economic collapse is to eventually completely obliterate the dollar to be merged into this world currency, which of course

is basically halfway completed with the euro. And so that's another agenda that you're so close to Pan American Union currency. With the Amaro dollar. Oh, and you just call it a laugh with us until they issue it in three years. So can I borrow an Amaro dollar? I would love to give you an Amaro dollar more than anything. We all know that in 2006, they rolled out the Amaro dollar and everybody who was laughing at Alex was not laughing.

Change their tune. Yeah, bought all their gold. That was that was what happened. Change the course of history, the Amaro dollar. Yeah. I mean, when you're when you're right, you're right. I I mean, I Alex is going to be dead in five years. I don't understand their their time frame, you know, like there's no way

that a Amaro dollar can come out in three years. That's just not possible. There's just too many interlocking parts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like there were even like the dollar coins was a difficult thing for totally. I don't even think that was fully successful as a rollout. No, no, no, the the yeah, the Sakajui.

Yeah, yeah, people were still there. Even people are like, I don't want Sakajui on my money. You're like, I don't even know where we are. But even leaving aside what's on the coin, the idea of having a dollar coin was an uproar. Yes, like and that means nothing compared to merging different countries. It's a slightly heavier representation of the same thing. Yeah, that's it.

Yeah. So we go back to the bombings in 1999, Russia. Yeah. And like I said, they've proven that it was boot. Oh, my God. And in September, 99 and basically the month following that series of explosions took place in Russian apartment buildings, which gave Putin the pretext to launch a war on the Chechens and create a police

state at home, and it turned out that the FFB, the former KGB, were actually caught substituting the dummy explosives for real explosives, hexagent, and then they were caught but allowed to leave the country by Moscow police caught them FFB members have gone public about this. And we've got don't we have a whole section on prison planet about that all mainstream news articles? Yeah, sorry. What in the 9 11 archive?

It's, you know, examples of the Hegelian dialectic. So there's a bunch of articles in that section as well. Then anyone that tries to blow the whistle on this, like Berazovsky, I mean, they're trying to deport him every week because he's back in London now. Any journalist that reports on this is rough on rough in Russia is strangely gunned down on the street in the week following. So we know that there's a massive cover up going on there. Absolutely.

Yeah. Well, none of this stuff is true anymore. So weird how he's the protector of the white family now. Yeah, he's a great Christian. Russia has never been known to do any false flags. Huge Christian, nothing more Christ like to weird, so weird. That whole section on prison planet is maybe not there anymore. It is so nice to believe things.

Yep. It is really nice to just I don't have to worry about finding new things that I don't remember about people. And it's you don't have to like forget that you proved things in order to have proved new things that are contrary to those old things. Not once I go like this. Oh, I was wrong. And now there's a new thing.

That's not hard. Yeah, this is this sucks. Yep. Anyway, a caller calls in. Sure. Because that's what callers do. Yeah. And he says blue collar, white male here.

A little bit better than that guy, although unfortunate. Yeah. Go to Joel in Illinois, then Spencer and Mark and Jeremy and others. Go ahead. You're on the air, Joel. Hi, Alex. Hello. I've been talking to you for quite a while and I'll be honest with you.

When I first started listening to your program, I thought you're nuts. But I apologize for saying that. Well, the Alex Jones of eight years ago would have heard this show. I thought he was nuts. But but but the Alex Jones of the day just goes off the facts. Yeah, just the facts. Wow. And the Alex Jones of 2003 would think the 2022 version is a disgrace.

Yeah, yeah, yep, yep. Yeah, you constantly are evolving into something that would make you ashamed in the past. Yeah, that's not that's not the that's not the trajectory you want your life to go down. No, no, no, no. You would rather look back and be like, damn, a couple of years ago, I would have been so proud and impressed with what I achieved. Totally.

That's the kind of. Oh, no, no, no, past me would have been like, well done. Yeah, big pat on the back that you've done things that I in the like yourself in the past wouldn't have even thought possible. Right. That's the kind of. And you've done things that yourself in the past wanted to do. You achieved things that you don't have to disavow later. Right. You know, you don't have to be like, man, in the past,

I would have looked at me and been like, fuck that guy. Yeah, exactly. Yes. What a bummer. Yeah. Oh, man. Hmm. So I don't even know what this is the Christmas episode. We are getting awful wistful about the ghost of Christmas. Such is life for the Info Warrior, though.

You constantly have layers of the onion peeled back and you see more. Right. Right. OK, so Alex is screwed. You keep blowing your mind. Paul Jones Watson is he's Bob Cratchit. No, he's the son. He's the son. He's he's tiny too.

Yeah. Oh, boy. David Knight is the fat and goose. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds right. Goose. I think David Knight is actually a pretty good ghost of Christmas present, you know, because he's almost the same thing in the present that Alex is in the past. He could just show up and be like, bet you wish you didn't fire me. You dumb dumb.

I'm the visual metaphor for Alex. David I could be the ghost of Christmas future. Be like, yeah, enjoy shooting on me. You become me. I don't know. In this in this version, I think everybody is reptile people. David, I guess the ghost of Christmas future. I'm not the turn in your punchbowl now. Am I?

Turns out the punchbowl all turns all turns. So Alex has a conception of what his show is. And I think it's kind of funny because it is not this. You just joined us for the first time. You're wondering what this show is about. It's about getting past the rhetoric and getting down to the actions of the politicos and then looking at the systems of our that surround those both historically and in a contemporary fashion.

Absolutely not. Wow. That is so far from what his show is. What a blurb. Yeah. To put on your show. Well, to be fair, if you're doing the show, you don't want to like come in from break and be like, if you're joining us for the first time, I make a bullshit based on skimming headlines and try and make white people scared.

It is a little bit like if the blurb on the back of the Bible was like nonstop action fest packed with Jesus shooting all the Pharisees. Like now now with 30 percent less list of names. Yes, exactly. So Alex talks about his JFK conspiracies. And we know from the present day, Nick Fuentes was just on the show and apparently Israel did it. Yes. And Alex was like, yeah, that's a big part of it.

Sounds right. Weirdly, not in the past. 2003. That was not what he was. He and he's proven this stuff. This isn't just like thoughts. This is proved. I've already had LBJ's late widow on the show four years ago. She's dead now. It's admitted widow.

She was at the meeting where the head of the FBI and the mob and the CIA were there. And so we're going to kill Kennedy tomorrow. I've had LBJ's lawyer Ron Barr, McClellan, whose son is the White House press secretary. He was LBJ's private lawyer. He has firsthand evidence of them bragging about killing him. And I mean, there's no debating it. They murdered JFK.

What does admitted widow mean? I mean, it's so that means that she was actually married to him, I think, admittedly. It was admitted in the, in the white papers. She was wearing white because the, because she's, and now she's wearing black. Uh-huh. That's just admitted widow. Admitted widow is a strange term of phrase. Yeah, that's all I'm saying.

Yeah, that was in the 1800s. That meant that she was in an asylum. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Also, wouldn't that be Lady Bird? Yes, that would be. As Alex had Lady Bird Johnson on the show. American royalty Lady Bird.

Yes, correct. Was she, I find that hard to believe that she was a guest on Info Wars and told Alex that they had plotted to kill JFK. I think, I think there's a fairly funny movie to be made where all of the conspiracies are true and everybody shows up in Texas on the same day. Kind of like having an awkward mixer. People are like, Oh, what are you here for? And they're like, I'm here to kill Kennedy.

And they're like, Oh, I don't know enough about LBJ. So I don't know if like he got remarried or something. Like, did he have another wife? Cause that's the only one I know of Lady Bird Johnson. That's the only one I know of. I think actually maybe he did have another wife. I'm looking at Wikipedia and I see one wife, Lady Bird. Well, I mean, let's not, hey, he was the president in the sixties.

Let's, let's call it, let's calm it down on whether or not he was faithful. That wouldn't make somebody a admitted widow though, you know, you are not wrong. Just if you're like screwing around, that doesn't make you an admitted widow. No, that's true. You have to be a widow first. That's true. And then you have to admit it.

She does that suggests that there were times whenever she was not an admitted widow denied widow. Well, here's the question really is, is admitted. I mean, I have admitted to it or you have been admitted into the halls of widow dump. Well, I mean, that's why the 18th century or the previous hundred years was the mental institution. So admitted into make sense. I think that still counts.

Anyway, the point here is I don't know what's going on. And Alex's conspiracy doesn't involve Israel in 2003, 100 percent. The very malleable stuff, very, very malleable. Yeah. So Alex takes another call. And in this clip, I think we get some insight into what the left right paradigm means to Alex. And it's not what you think I get the distinct impression that whenever

I have a criticism or a complaint about Bush, like you said, then I automatically become like in league with the liberals or something. Yeah, it's what is this there in this whole left right fight. You've got to explain to them the things I hit on earlier in the hour. All the bullet points of how the rhetoric is different, but the actions are the same. Explain the good cop, bad cop to system to them.

They're so busy, though, associating their personal power with Bush, like he's a sports hero or something that they can't get past that. Thanks for the call. I believe that this is a really illuminating clip to help us understand what Alex means when he says he's above the left, right paradigm. Yeah, just based on the words and what they mean, one would be inclined to think he means that his politics exist outside of the spectrum that defines things as left leaning or right leaning.

This is the way that he wants people to see him, because it helps make you more appealing to folks who fancy themselves also to be above politics. Independent thinkers. Right. But what Alex seems to actually mean is a bit different. He opposes Bush. And because of that, people on the right assume he's on the left. The left right paradigm he's against is the assumption that because you oppose

a Republican, you must be attacking from the left. Right. When Alex says he's above the left, right paradigm, what he's essentially saying is that he wants to make people aware that you can attack the GOP from the right. Yeah. Based on his use of the term and his clear ignorance about pretty basic stuff in terms of politics and civics, I kind of think he doesn't understand

that this is what he means. You are 100% correct. It seems like he actually thinks that attacking the GOP from the right is an evolved political position that places him outside of the left, right binary. But it doesn't. See, he's outside of the left, right paradigm. He's on the right, left paradigm. See, it makes perfect sense.

Everybody that is on his team is on the right and everybody else is on the left. Right. He thinks that the GOP are socialists. Yeah. See? He's on the, he's on this political spectrum. And he's just putting what we think of as the right on the left side of the spectrum and staking a further part right of the spectrum and saying that

that's the only right. Yeah. That's the truth. You can, you can diagram it out. It's very simple. Yeah. It's still the same paradigm. And that's, and that's why extreme far right positions, they're just common

sense, moderate positions. Why would you say that they're not common sense? Right. Yeah, come on. I'm a centrist because I believe in hyper nationalism. It doesn't get more middle of the road than murder your enemies of which all. Right. And I think that you get a lot of mileage out of saying stuff like I'm above

the left, right paradigm. Cause like you said, you appeal to the people who are independent oriented and you think like, Oh man, maybe this guy has some, some stuff that goes a little left, a little right, you know, just, but no, he's just so far on the right that it's, I mean, he's, what he's really saying is I defy political party. I think both political parties are bullshit, which is, is fine. But that doesn't mean like I'm, I think both political party parties are bullshit, but I'm on the left, you know, I'm leftist.

Yeah. It doesn't mean that I'm above the left, right paradigm. You can have structural problems with both political parties and still recognize that you exist within that continuum. Exactly. And Alex is trying to pretend that he doesn't to gain traction and make himself seem like less of a extremist on the right. Yeah.

I mean, if you're, if you're the fucking Amitabha Buddha, yes, you exist outside the left, right spectrum. I agree with you. Or if you're somebody who doesn't have like much concern for politics, sure, sure, maybe then you would exist outside. Like someone who maybe all you care about is charity. Yeah, that's outside the left, right paradigm. If all you do is live in a cave, I think that also is outside the left, right

paradigm depends on the cave. That's a good point. There's a lot of fascist, a lot of fascist caves out there. That was a, that was bait. That was a terrible point. And yet you said it was a good point because you have not been to the Appalachian Mountains. Some of those caves turn you fascist, man. I'm telling you.

The only explanation I will admit, I have not been there. Yep. So we get one last clip here and it's another caller and he has a question for Alex about sources and pay attention to this clip because this is a non-answer. Yeah, you're doing just a great job. I have one main question actually, and then I'll let you go. I know you've got to get on with your day. The global policy report you were referring to at the beginning of the hour,

you said that you were able to cite for the news based off of those. How do you obtain those? How can I obtain them? Okay. The Council on Foreign Relations has about five different types of reports. The CFR founded 1922 to overthrow America publicly. The Council on Foreign Relations puts out their foreign affairs brief every two months. It's in all major bookstores is called Foreign Affairs. That's their outward propaganda for the general public.

Sure. But on their website and in interdepartmental reports and reports of the President or Congress or to other private think tanks, they say what they're going to do. You've got PNAC, Project for New American Century. You've got the reports of the Carnegie Foundation going back to the 30s we have these. You've got the Ford Foundation battle plans. You've got Rand Corporation. Then when you know who the members of these groups are, you see them then writing news articles

for major magazines and newspapers and on the Sunday news shows. And you can see the different grades of propaganda they're putting out for different audiences. It's very sophisticated. And those are the type of global policy reports that I was talking about. Well, I do appreciate that information. That's definitely going to send me in a different direction. If you pay attention to that, Alex didn't really answer the question that was posed. And the reason for that is that he doesn't base his conspiracy bullshit on any actual sources.

He skims headlines and makes up stories that are complementary to his extreme right wing white identity ideology and points to a vague, unspecific mass of official documents to give his narratives an unearned weight. I've tracked Alex's answer and here is what he says in response to a very straightforward question about where these reports are that he's talking about. First, he brings up the CFR who have about five different kinds of reports. Right. This seems to imply that all of these kinds of reports spring forth from the CFR maybe.

So they put out the foreign affairs, but foreign affairs is a public facing propaganda outlet. So that's not actually what we're talking about. It might still be one of the types of reports, but it's still coded. So then you have the completely unspecific reference to all sorts of other reports that the CFR puts out to the president or internally or interdepartmental briefs, whatever the fuck that means. In between departments of what? You know, the department of evil and the department of more evil. Right. So you can send a memo.

These tell their true plans. Exactly. You can see how this doesn't answer the caller's question at all. Then you have PNAC, the Carnegie Foundation and the Ford Foundation battle plans. Brands Corporation. These things are just name dropped, but hearing these names doesn't help anyone find the sources Alex is talking about. If the Carnegie Foundation has reports going back to the 1930s, how does he expect anyone to know where to look? Is it just one type of report that they have?

I imagine the Carnegie Foundation has so many different types of reports. Right. Then you start to learn the names of the people in these groups and you see them writing articles. This is again outward facing propaganda, but I guess you can use this to check your work against these internal documents to illustrate that they're putting out propaganda to the masses. Right. And speaking openly and secret, but these documents show that they're working towards a similar goal. Right.

This is all completely useless as an answer to this caller because you have nowhere to go with what you've been told. The caller is obviously looking for more information and you would think that someone in Alex's position would be eager to give that person specifics about how they could find the hard evidence that shows that Alex is right about the nonsense that he spouts. But in reality, the last thing Alex wants is for actually curious members of his audience checking in on any of this shit. The game he's playing only works if sourcing is left vague and unexamined. So when he's asked a question like this, he does the equivalent of gesturing wildly and acting like a kid who's trying to bluff a book report. And that's what

you see there. Yeah. It is two things. The first, I'm boggled by him being like, listen, you're doing a great job. I think you're a genius. Anyways, I have a quick question, which I think should be a foundational question is what you said based on anything to which Alex replies, okay, I see what you want. You want to find this needle in a haystack. What I'm going to do is I'm going to give you this haystack and it's going to give you this haystack. I'm going to give you this haystack over here. I'm going to give you this haystack over here. I'm going to give you this haystack over here. It's in there. Start digging. Dum, dum.

This haystack has been growing since the 1930s. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It is, it is almost perfectly designed to sound like an answer while at the same time being there to make you give up on trying to verify anything. You're going to be overwhelmed and ultimately you will never find the thing that Alex is referencing. It doesn't exist. And the premise of the question is even interesting too, because it's like, okay, you are reporting on news and I can read the story in the paper and it doesn't say what you're

saying, which is an issue, right? But it's not an issue because you insist that you've read these global reports that help you like use it like a decoder ring, right? And you can see what's going on in this news story. Now I would like to see the decoder ring, right? And it's that needle in a haystack. Now let me ask you a question. Are you the tip of the spear? Then you don't get to touch my decoder ring, right? How about that? How about that? I would like to check the work on your decoding. I didn't ask you to check my fucking work, man. I'm the tip of the goddamn spear. The decoder ring is in my pocket. You can't see it. I won't ever bring it out.

Screw you. I'm going to die. The decoder ring is literally everywhere and everything. Enjoy. The force, the force is everywhere and it binds us. That's what it is. Okay. I would say that that's a dog. That answer was a bit of a dodge. Well, you're not a Jedi. That's true. Caves. I don't know. Anyway, we end this 2003 excursion. Yes. And I think there's been some illuminating things. Yeah. I think there's some interesting stuff in there.

Still no, no movement on the Saddam front, but that's okay. There's still a little while until he's discovered. He'll be found. I'm confident he will be found. I was so fascinated by that Texas family kidnapping story. That's crazy. It's just, it's just weird to me that, like, you know, Newsmax would, even with the question mark, put out this story without doing a little legwork and finding these claims from the past insane that he's made.

Yeah. And not have a follow up question of why do you keep getting kidnapped by the Mexican government? Seems like you've been kidnapped a lot more than normal people have been kidnapped. And they seem to keep letting you go without incident. We'll say normal people have been kidnapped anywhere from zero to one times. I do appreciate the negligence that went into that story, making it all the way to Alex repeating it and declaring war on Mexico because of it. Yeah. Unintended consequences.

Yeah. I just like, I just like that that's the type of thing where you hear that story. And I mean, you and I both knew it immediately. Just like, this is not a one off. This motherfucker's done some other shit. It's too ambitious. Yeah. This is not a man who is only swinging his one time and then it's done. Nope. Nope. Nope. This is a man.

That's a guy with a career. So Jordan, we'll be back for another episode. Oh, indeed we will. Maybe we'll get back into the present. We'll see. Maybe we'll stay in the past. I don't know. It's up in the air. Yeah.

Who knows. Could be anything. Could be anything. Maybe we'll do an episode about caves. That sounds interesting. And I will defend their honor. We're headed to Appalachia, my friend. And then we'll see what happens.

Whatever the case, we'll be back. But until then, we have a website. We do have a website. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. Yep. We'll be back.

But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm the juiciest ice cube. What? It's back. It's back. What? I was reminded by reading the WikiLeaks that I'm the juiciest ice cube.

There you go. All right. And now here comes the sex robot. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller.

I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.