Knowledge Fight - #757: December 13, 2022

Episode Date: December 16, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan check in to attempt to cover Alex's misguided attempt to bring Nick Fuentes back for a debate after the antisemitic interview with Ye.  Predictably, it got super antisemitic again.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge everybody welcome back to knowledge fun I'm down I'm Jordan we're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan quick question for you what's up what's your bright spot today but my bright spot today Jordan is beard oil beard oils oh yeah I have decided that hey man maybe it's time to take um I don't know caring about myself at all pampering myself in consideration you know it's never been a part of my my repertoire oh yeah um and so I thought about it I'm like hey I have this beard mm-hmm what can I do with this beard I guess I could like make a little sure you could do

little things and then little braids or something like that yeah but I don't think that's me no it's not I don't think that's my style you have yet to become a pirate mm-hmm and so I've decided to explore beard oils beard oils I listen a few years I was never I was never a big lotion guy few years ago uh my wife she really and you know what it's better sure I don't know what the hell what skin should be moist or something I grow up in a place where they're like no men have hard tough skin like screw that I want to I want to smell good well man I have I have tried this out yeah and so far I noticed no difference but why would I I don't feel my beard you don't I don't have a mirror in front of me no it didn't smell of pine cones for a while it hit hard yeah with a

with the smell of pine there's a bit of vicks vapor of aspects to it yes right in my face yeah anyway I have I have two varietals here one is a pine cone yeah situation and the other is like a vanilla lavender ish tea ah tea I like it um and so yeah I'm gonna I don't fucking know we'll see what happens put some oils in your beard that's what you're gonna do so what about you what's your bright spot my bright spot is we saw we saw banshees of Inisherin which is amazing it's done by the guy who did in bruce so it's Colin Farrell and Brendan Gleason just being good acting at each other you know when you're talking to me and you say something like that like that could be a movie that could be a movie that could be an art installation

that could be a number of things no it's it's in bruce uh I think he did three billboards outside of ebbing missouri that one was really really good mm-hmm yeah he's great it's just great yeah it's in ireland okay here's the thing here's the story here's the entire story uh one day his old dude is like I don't want to be friends with this guy anymore all right movie over okay wow that's that's gotta be a slow bird it's a short plot synopsis but I think I you will enjoy it is it a ending of a friendship that leads to a lot of calamity or is it okay yeah yeah no it's a traditional irish tragedy in which it's very very funny and nothing good happens to anyone ever see I was imagining a movie where like the actual end of the movie is like the end of the conversation oh

yeah yeah that would be that would be fun it's like my dinner without tray fun at the end they hate each other my last dinner with Andre something like that would be a good one um so Jordan today we have an episode to go over indeed we do and it is December 13th 2022 uh this is go up no you thought I'd bring it but I thought it'd be oh yeah that's true yeah um this is an episode where uh alex does a stupid thing yes he decides that after the yay interview uh that he did with nick fuentes uh he decides hey why not uh have nick back on uh to to talk about things brilliant maybe see what kind of uh common ground we can find uh see if uh he doesn't maybe maybe he's trying to bring him back from the dark side you know have you considered this is a

reverse vader situation where or more accurately a luke skywalker in his nephew situation I didn't I didn't think that because it's not it's true and it very clearly wouldn't fit any of their psychology it's definitely not um so it's it's a situation where um alex has done this interview with yay where yay denied the holocaust and talked about how he loved hitler and all this and alex was like hey man use code yeah lie better yeah he was like nah not interested lie it's what we all do no no no i'm not gonna lie and also hitler is wonderful no you don't understand if you don't lie then it makes it look really obvious that we are lying damn it you it penetrates the market bubble that we have come on man um and so they did that interview and then alex went on steven

crowder's show and started complaining about how he'd been done dirty and however one was criticizing him for doing this interview and it was very sad and crowder uh consoled him and then nick fuentes came out and did his response where he said that alex got a call right from the jewish handlers or jewish backers that alex has yep and so that's the prelude to this this interview i guess that alex had heard that nick had said this and decided why not have an interview debate about about this stuff yeah um and that's a great idea it's not it's a really oh no but it but no it's a great idea no because he's gonna he's so smart and charismatic and talented alex is gonna be able to scream him under the table there's no chance that anybody can

beat him i mean if it's a screaming match then yeah i do think that there's a there's a good possibility of of that uh but no it's uh it you know it's never it's never just a screaming match and from uh something of an optical perspective just the fact that nick is coming back on is a loss for alex and a win for for for nick um i i have the mind that the the dynamic that's going on here is that alex thinks that nick is somebody who can be reasoned with right he believes that nick is willing to play uh the game of using code and and uh and all that because that has been done in the past yeah alex was able to do business with him uh for a couple years he went on the stop the steel tour with him in alley alexander yep um and so like i think that alex is inviting

him back on to give him a like look come on we have this we've done this before get back into the why are you yeah why are you being so overt we're scammers that doesn't work you're not better than us right we're all scammers and just because you think you're doing something different you're fucking not yeah and at the same time alex needs to give some kind of a performative uh back uh push back to i don't hate i don't hate anybody uh to to the proceedings this this episode is tough um because full disclosure uh we just recorded most of it yeah we decided this is beating a dead horse as is our want we did about two hours and we were like that is uh just right but it's too much yeah and there was a lot to go yeah um and so on the fly essentially uh just decided we're gonna

streamline this thing so it's not the same thing over and over again being like hey alex is doing a bad job of this spoiler another way of saying alex is doing a bad job of this i'm gonna throw this out there for anybody who's who's who's afraid uh nick fuentes is still a white supremacist he did not suddenly change his his uh his tune no no totally still it is too much of that way too much and so we have um paired it down we've called an audible so uh before we get to that audible dot com there's a sponsor don't you dare don't let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks oh that's a great idea so first audible dot com new wonk sorry oh first help i'm a raving anti-semite whose balls are stuck to his leg thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy

wonk thank you very much thank you next shirshton i'm so sorry i've subjected you to so much of alex jones as a result of the show thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much thank you next lord argie bargie is only here for swary carry thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much thank you next it's a me mario speed wagon thank you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy one thank you very much i whift that delivery let me try that again okay it's a me mario speed wagon you don't have the falsetto your voice is too deep it's honest it's beautiful next a fruity little necromancer think you so much you're now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much and we got a technocrat

in the mix jordan so this is very exciting uh some nuptials yeah have happened and i say have happened a little in the past my favorite part about this is that because we've already done this yeah i already forgot exactly what it was that we were doing yeah that's how long and how easily we forget this this is why maybe we could just do the same episode over and over again we don't know you don't remember anything i've i've got a very uh my memory is flighty so i'd like to announce to you once again yes uh the celebration of the nuptials of miranda and josh congratulation got married on uh just a little before halloween just a little before halloween october 29th congratulations and i'd now declare uh your wedding to be a technocrats i'm a policy wonk

i have risen above my enemies i might quit tomorrow actually i'm just gonna take a little break you down a little break for me and then we're going to come back and i'm gonna start the show over but i'm the devil i gotta be taking off the hair up you know this fuck you fuck you i got plenty of words for you but at the end of the day fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit maybe today should be my last broadcast i mean maybe i'll just be gone a month maybe five years maybe i'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again that's really what i want to do i never want to come back here again i apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that i

was legitimately having breakdowns on air i'll be better tomorrow he's not he sucks nope it's terrible super sucks uh so bad uh that we felt it was beating a dead horse to point out how bad the job he was doing it is you know what you know what is it is not our fault it's not our fault i you know much like me uh playing these clips for you it's not my fault it's not your partially my fault well it's partially our fault um you know maybe better improvisers could have found more unique ways to express disappointment oh wow wow wow um but we are not we are not them no so um a lot of this is going to be uh basically just a discussion of of nicks debate with alex and then also the failings on alex's part yeah but i didn't want it to all be that right and so in

the period before nick shows up um it's a it's a no man's land there's not much going on there it's um it's kind of just a lot of alex laying track you know there's a lot of alex trying to prepare the audience to um accept nick's arguments as not being bigoted all right now i get why you would say that antisemitism is bad but the adl is bad too and i think they're worse than antisemitism so even though i disagree with nick fuentes maybe we'll agree with some things on a on a scale of one to ten nick is a one and the adl's an 11 yeah you know like that's basically the the kind of thing he's doing he's trying to give the audience an excuse for if they like what nick is saying yes why it's okay yeah yeah yeah if this resonates with you it's not because you're a bad person that

wants to murder an entire race of people it's because it's tough to watch the adl do things it's tough that they're so bad that nick is good that hitler is great it's so weird how that happens um and one other thing that happens is that alex takes some calls yes and uh one caller in particular is completely off topic and this is just sort of an amu's boost yeah yeah for us racism doesn't slow down get ready to hear about a dmt trip that brought revelations of cyber satan i just want to talk about the uh what i call the rise of the ai anti christ and uh the current like normalization that the transhumanist media is giving it with shows like uh westworld i'm not sure if you've seen that the last season just came out i've seen a few episodes of the earlier

seasons yeah so they didn't bring in this type of stuff until like the later seasons and what where it gets weird is so like uh back kind of back in the day when you know you get some heroic doses of dmt and stuff i feel like i was kind of given some visions of the armageddon and the antichrist um i kind of became aware of satan's plans to manifest himself into our plane via artificial intelligence you know all civilizations eventually ending humans attempting to summon veil into our plane or satan yet all civilizations got the vision they were creating a near omniscient omnipotent machine 100 the collective processing power of every device on the planet like a network of neuron monitor every decision and action humans make with devices with the devices and it steals

our art our culture our literature our ideas and then says that it's giving it to us it's like stop lights are the most powerful form of ai currently because we interface with it and follow its orders it's very primitive but we by following its directives we do it because it makes sense collectively we decide to do it but ai is only as powerful as we make it thank you so much for the call one of the things that i think the audience is deprived of is that when you're incredulous about things um i just nod this guy's talking about uh you know i had this heroic dmt and i saw i think i was given a vision i'm just like yep yep absolutely that's right you're like what what did you stop it no this checks out absolutely all right all right okay

okay uh yeah so cybersatan is coming and it's gonna trick us into thinking it wrote our books yeah yeah i i appreciate whenever people are trying their best to like rectify their mythology of like you know the revelations are coming in the antichrist and all that stuff with reality of like we're developing super intelligent machines that are probably gonna out pass us eventually like we just know that they will sooner or later it's a matter of mathematics yeah exactly the scaling problem will eventually go to the place where they they do have more intelligence than we do um still not god still not god i would i would say that if you are gearing up to have a little debate with a guy who may or may not be a nazi sure uh it really is funny that you're taking a call like

this seriously yeah maybe it's a bad sign for you being the kind of show that can handle that kind of material when you're taking dmt cybersatan revelation guy you're right uh and and being like this is a call that a great point thanks for the call now you're totally right every civilization has ended the moment they tried to summon they tried to get ball over here the moment the listen what happened to gall summon ball gallin ball gallin ball there you go if it rhymes it's probably mythology it's the sign of the time yeah so uh one of the things that is critical to understand here is that alex is lost before anything even begins yeah this is before nick has even started the interview uh slash debate and alex is fucked i'd like to give nick some time to give his

views we really haven't talked much other than briefly sunday about him coming on today about what he thinks really went on there because some people thought i staged that and i was in on it or something no i didn't know what's going on it's kind of like trump didn't know what was going on uh to a greater extent i knew i was meeting with and then i had seen clips of nick saying he didn't support hitler it actually wasn't anti-semitic he just didn't like what some of the jewish mafia is doing claiming everybody's a nazi doesn't agree with him so i just kind of saw this really as an enigma of what's really going on so uncensored unfiltered nick foyntes joins us it's an enigma you should censor and filter him i would censor and filter him

i will i think i think it would be helpful i i i yeah i i think that alex is setting the stage for nick to be able to make whatever argument he wants right um and alex will have no foot to uh to fall back on yeah it's just uh it's an irresponsible presentation yeah yeah it's it's fun uh to to say uncensored you know like uh uncensored but like there's sometimes where you're like let's censor things let's do a little censoring just a tad like maybe the holocaust denial censoring that you don't get to say it yeah it's not uh it's it's um you know when you want to talk about all sides we hear all sides of a debate i don't know if that side is is something that we really we have a use for anymore here's what i would say i would say really that uh

eventually all debates end when there is an answer when there's yeah when there's a we come to a conclusion exactly so there's no need to debate anything about this whatsoever yeah i think i think to do so is indicative of your position exactly by talking about it you have already explained what's wrong by treating um a holocaust denier as potentially right yeah and having something to add into this conversation um you have uh you that's not no that's not good go away is how you treat holocaust deniers yep so nick talks a little bit here at the beginning about the responses to the interview and um he's just pulling out some of these classic tricks uh i really can't say enough positive things about him but with regards to the appearance on your show what i've

noticed is that yay has started this conversation with the death con three tweet about the jews he went on your show and he said that he loves hitler and what's i think the most remarkable about this is everybody is fixated on the remark what did you mean by death con three what did you mean by you love hitler what do you love about hitler what does death con mean is that a threat and so on and he's done several interviews he did an interview with pierce morgan with lex freedman with tim pool with you with gavin and in all the interviews it's so focused on the hitler it's focused on the jewish and for a lot of people they might say oh well of course that's an outrageous thing to say it's so provocative and maybe that was the intention maybe it was about publicity

maybe it was staged but if you listen if you listen to what the man is saying he has said what got us to this point i think that it's almost it says something in itself that the conversation is about the remark rather than all the in my opinion far more outrageous things going on all around which is that right now the adl is shaking down congress so if you listen to all of his interview uh that i mean it's mostly what led us to hear is grievances yeah just weird things about uh yay's personal life that he's decided to blame jewish people for yep and you know nick's complaint that these interviews were all like hitler and jew stuff is silly because he and yay did that yeah that was they were the ones who went let's talk about hitler

right that was their idea mm-hmm i've listened to a lot of interviews on alex's show and um outside of that uh ingredient right being yay and nick right usually doesn't go that way right it was it was an anomaly in that sense it is interesting nick did accidentally bring up a good point uh-oh when people asked yay what did you mean by that it is a dumb question yeah and it's indicative of not propaganda or anything along those lines but it's indicative of our culture being one where if you take what someone says at face value you are a rube mm-hmm in that emin on tv or or something along those lines you know what i'm saying yeah because so much troll shit right is all over the place and everybody like they get off on uh saying something

and then you take them seriously like oh it's just being a fuck yeah but like no you don't need to ask why he what he means he said what he means yeah that's what he means well and he was very clear it's absurdly clear and clarified a number of times multiple times yep uh but the the trick that nick is using here is just this really just very very simple thing uh that's painfully transparent once you notice it what he's doing here is that he and yay came into the infor studio and went to all these other platforms and they said all this shit that was just over the top anti-semitic they went as far as denying the holocaust it was nonsense this naturally is prompted a response for people who find this shit abhorrent and they've gotten a lot of criticism

for this over the top anti-semitic shit now nick is coming back and he's saying look at all these people who are so focused on the anti-semitic over the top shit that we said isn't it suspicious that all this feedback that we've gotten has been about the jewish stuff doesn't that kind of prove that we were right to begin with like why aren't they talking about all this other stuff like yay being weird about his trainer yay why are you uh why are you addicted to pornography and blaming it on your ex-wife can i ask you that question second question how are the jews involved with that maybe you should deal with that the backlash that nick wanted to provoke is being used to give the appearance of credibility to his initial points namely the jews run everything

and that they're trying to crush yay and all the people who would speak out against them um i think i i think this trick is so prominent in again that trolley uh yeah sort of ecosystem where it's like you do say something inflammatory you elicit the response that people would naturally have taking what you say at face value and then you're like i can't believe that everybody's so focused on responding to the thing that i said do you know what it is is the thing that i hate so fucking much it is the dude who texts like hey do you want to go out i think you're hot or something and then they're like no and he's like oh i was just kidding about that i didn't actually want to do that mm-hmm fucking terrible you're a coward yeah so uh at the end

of that last clip nick said that uh the adl is shaking down congress sure and here's what he was talking about there okay right now the adl is shaking down congress for 500 million dollars i don't know if people realize that submitted an appropriations request in response to the interview we did now you've got you know whether you thought it was entertaining whether you thought it was revolutionary you have yay with a mask on with a you who in a net saying i love hitler and the adl shaking the cup with congress we need 500 million dollars to fight anti-semitism it's outrageous he's been banned from the bank he's had his deals shut down by nike and adidas to the tune of billions of dollars over 10 years and the list goes on and on and i hear what you're saying but then

that's the what what people ask and i don't think this is the case that is a secretly like an adl operative to get them funding so we're going to talk about that when we come back you can see there how alex has a mission and it's to create absurd distractions in order to keep the audience from focusing on the central point and why any of this matters at least when these kinds of issues are being discussed and when he needs to provide cover for bigots yeah i can't imagine anyone being seriously concerned that yay's whole thing has been a false flag to get the adl more funding for what it's worth the adl made the appropriations request that they're talking about that nick is saying like oh it was in response to us yeah they made that request in april it's an application for

grants and the 500 million dollar increase involves their nonprofit security grant program this is something that the adl runs that quote provides nonprofits with the capacity to increase their defense against threats including physical security and cyber security capacity and coordination nick wants to pretend that this is something that they did in reaction to his and yay's interview but that talking point just isn't true it's self a grand eyes mint that makes it look like oh the establishment is so scared of these things that we're doing and yes in as much as people are scared that this rise um in in uh bigoted rhetoric will have the effect of emboldening and inciting people towards violence yeah um it's not that they're scared of the like the quote unquote truth

yeah of what you're saying i i feel like alex should have been like 500 million that's not that much compared to what i owe hey listen buddy if all they want is 500 million put it in the bucket it's a drop i need three times that ain't shit to me so um one of the things that is always bad when you're dealing with someone like nick who at this point has literally no reason not to just be pretty upfront about things you don't really want to ask them cut and dry questions no and so alex decides he's gonna do that and he asks hey man do you admire hitler smart smart question i i can't imagine him thinking this would go any other way than it does in my view just let's just get the hitler thing out of the way do you actually admire at all hitler

in some ways yes and i'm not a national socialist and i'm not uh you know i wouldn't identify that way because i'm a i'm a christian so i'm not any kind of a socialist or a fascist i i like yay i believe we should have a christian government it's christian country god runs the world we should have a government in accordance with that but but honestly i i don't share this uh history on a jewish view that hitler is this exceptionally bogeyman evil figure uh the 20th century is full of of violence the 20th century is full of authoritarian ideologies run rampant and and that's a product of modernism and liberalism and all kinds of trends um but but this idea that that like my life is in any way impacted by hitler i have a lot more animosity for the 80l i have a

lot more animosity for the zoe i have a lot more animosity for the groups that have actually made my life and the life of my family materially worse personally and across the border they done that personally nick i'm i'm sick of being expected by jewish media and holocaust museums to to beat my chest like you kind of did the other week and say i hate hitler i hitlers of course nick has more animosity for those groups because he doesn't have animosity for hitler yeah he likes hitler so nick expressed support for catholic fascist governments in the past and his views of christianity are entirely compatible with theocratic fascism yeah he knows that he's just lying to alex's audience to be more palatable they do not like the word fascists no no no they get it thrown at them

a lot what they would prefer is that you call it sharia law and that nick fuentes is the new iatola that's what they would prefer they would rather do that because it's completely different from what they want nick's construction of his feelings about hitler historically uh it's a meaningless statement he's coming at this with the position that's kind of close to there are a lot of bad figures who do bad things in the 20th century and hitler is just one of them which might be something that's okay to say if you hadn't just made an entire media campaign out of expressing your love for hitler yeah people aren't expected to beat their chest and say they hate hitler alex did that performatively because yay came on his show and said that shit and alex was trying to

protect his branding so the audience didn't run away yeah i've never once felt the need to beat my chest and say i hate hitler but maybe things are different when you're a media figure who keeps saying you like hitler maybe if that's your reality people will want you to walk it back because it's insane and dangerous yeah you know okay maybe it's maybe it's subjective and unique to nick's experience right right i'll give you i'll give you uh what i think it's godwin's law that uh eventually and are you gonna yeah yeah something like that i'll give you that let's take it out of there i've never been asked to thump my chest and say that chow chesky was bad but if a single person came up to me and said you know chow chesky had some good ideas i would run away from them as

fast as i could uh because that's bad you must beat your chest and say that slobbanan malosevich was bad no i he was he was i don't need to be my chest do it but if you say he wasn't that's the problem that well it it raises some questions it does so um nick uh has gone out on his uh his twitter spaces and he said that alex got a call that made him uh turn on yay yes and uh himself he got him and so this is disgust alex really wants to know like hey man yeah did you make that do you say that i made i got a call i legitimately hate stalin hate mal hate hitler hate the adl hate barack obama hate the democratic party and and i've always remember me on pierce morgan i didn't get a call from the adl when i was on pierce morgan the most popular

thing he ever did the biggest thing cnn did that year they had a the the ratings they're like 50 million viewers for that their average show had like 10 million back then and i said hitler took the guns stalin took the guns mal took the guns and if you try to take our guns 1776 will commence again i've always criticized hitler i've made documentaries about the bush family helping fund hitler and and the british royalty so where we have a sticking point is is that alex got the call as you as you sit on social media and i'm just curious do you think i actually got a call to come out and criticize hitler you think that's a new thing for me no no i know that you're very uh vocally anti hitler over the years i know that you're more of a libertarian and so

you have this view of history which which lumps in together mal stalin hitler as authoritarians versus uh freedom fighters capitalist you know george george uh washington hommis jefferson's i'm familiar with your show and all of that and and honestly it was a little bit glib you called me baby hitler i said you got a call you know quite honestly it's banter but it is well known that you don't really talk about this issue you're you're more talking about new world order bill gates and these sort of obscure conspiracy theories like bill berg my show is a lot more focused on you know what you might call the jewish question which is what are we to do about this jewish elite these jewish gangsters that run our christian country these and i think and i think that's a

debate that should be happy oof so apparently this shit talking that the two of them did is a primary issue for alex yeah it really needs to be hashed out which is just as easy as nick being like hey we're talking shit right you said that i said this we were now that we've squashed that beef i just want to remind you that i want ultimate power to remove jews from this earth right right i want you to be reminded that i mean this yeah just in case you were wondering i don't think you got a call because i do want to murder all the jews wait no hold on so this is a devastating moment for alex there's three things in that clip that i think are a real problem for him the first thing is that alex is coming face to face with someone who is smart quick

witted charismatic and understands the info wars talking points nick watched alex in the past so he knows what alex preaches and because of that he's going to be able to brush aside these narratives really easily you can see the way that nick presents himself as being this high like talking about high-minded things whereas alex traffics an obscure conspiracy stuff like the bilderberg group nick is asserting himself as high status here and also putting alex on notice that he isn't afraid to bring up the bilderberg group himself and if that out and if alex does he better be careful because i might know some stuff about this yeah i mean it is your tricks on your jedi mine tricks aren't gonna work it is it is like he's been he's been doing his homework for his whole life watching

this shit you know like alex it's like uh it's like the douglas adam's uh thing in uh um long dark teeth no um so uh there's a electric monk he's sitting on a horse right now the horse tons of thoughts all about the electric monk right now the electric monk it's easier to sit on top of something and never have a single thought about it like that kind of thing like alex has sat on top of nick fuentes is bullshit he's put it on his dumb website and he's never watched a single oh absolutely not one second yes not a second of his show he's never watched the america first nope yeah he's not concerned himself with that because he doesn't yeah he doesn't give a shit yeah he does not give a shit whereas yeah nick knows the nick knows what he's dealing with yeah alex

doesn't know what he's dealing with no it's it's a borderline you know like i would practically know what alex is going to say before he says it because he says the same shit every time does say a lot of the same shit you know yeah so the second thing alex should be worried about is nick saying it's well known that you don't really talk about this issue if anybody is familiar with the way the nick and the groepers uh went about confronting turning point usa they would hear some similarities uh between this there's a there's a resonant echo yeah uh that's there the third thing is that nick literally said that his show deals with the jewish question and alex said there's a good debate to have there no one and i mean no one outside of white supremacist white nationalist

or neo-nazi communities uses terms like the jewish question or the abbreviation jq i guess people who monitor and criticize those communities or historians might use the term too but you get what i mean that ain't a dog whistle that is a bullhorn and it's not a little tiny bullhorn no that is a big old bullhorn yeah for alex to either not grasp that or hear it and go along with it is damning it can only mean that he's either in support of nick's anti-semitic ideology or that he's in no way equipped to have these conversations and every time he does he's just gonna get run over by the person he's interviewing it's um very very bad yeah i mean there's no if you say the jewish question interview over it's it yeah it is it's a fuck out it's you saying what the question is what do we

do about a race of people that i think are biologically evil by birth from satan himself that's not a question of like uh do we give them uh better schools and that's not how that's gonna go no no it's um there's there's nowhere to go no once these kinds of things have been uh been uttered and it gets worse um of course as uh nick uh and i would call the ftx folks and the federal regulators who all uh you know involved in this basically are jewish uh who are out there doing that are criminals who happen to be jewish who are hiding behind judiism but i don't then blame the average jew for that so i think that's the difference kind of like when yeh and you were on with the gavin mcginnis and and he's like well you know blacks commit as proportionate more crime

than the other group but you don't just blame the average black person do you just not trusted jew when they come in the room and yeh goes yeah i just i don't i don't you know to me that that's what i'm saying is i do believe in martin Luther king that we judge individuals by who they are uh and what they do not by what color they are where they're from but go ahead yeah i agree with that in principle but we also have to understand that it's it's not that these people happen to be jewish i think that's the big source of the disagreement is these are what we're told in in the last few weeks uh when yeh makes these remarks about the jewish media or jewish hollywood or so on is well these are individuals these are people that we've got to name them individually and these are people

that happen to be bad or rather they are bad and happen to be jewish but i think there's something about their jewishness that that makes it this way and i think that that is really the source of the disagreement see when somebody says the jewish question that's why you end the interview because it leads to this yeah and at that moment right there alex should just be like i got nothing i can't i can't do this i've clearly failed i fucked up we've got to this point you just said jewishness is itself a problem you're fucking bad goodbye yeah if you're alex you've tried to suggest to nick that he's making a composition fallacy where he takes the characteristics of an individual and then applies it to an entire group and nick says nope i disagree there's

something about being jewish that makes a person bad at that point you've reached a disagreement that words will not solve if you're nick at this point you have to be thinking that you're crushing alex he didn't bat an eyelash when nick said the jewish question nick has reaffirmed his admiration for hitler and now he's rebuking martin luther king's ideology in favor of antisemitism and alex has nothing he's just floundering here giving nick 101 level responses that are basically softballs it's pathetic to see really but i don't know why you would expect anything else yeah man i i this that's such that's such like a thank god that it's not me and nick in a room together having this quote unquote debate because that's throw and hands talk i mean that's that's just

say it to my face that's throw and hands talk it's at least we're done here talk i mean at the very least at the least at the least yes yes at the least um so alex tries to get a question out and one of the things that he seems really preoccupied with is this notion that there's a conspiracy going around that yay is secretly fundraising for the adl right and so alex is trying to get that question out but then he reveals something that i think is important to recognize what about what i asked earlier that i forgot to get back to the adl wants five hundred million they want more control over society because of kanya west yay's little comments here i get he's obviously not a threat he doesn't control people's bank accounts that's a joke but then people say

is yay really working for them to first wear a red hat saves a trump supporter and now come out and do this i've been around him i've talked to him a lot for a long time and i really don't think that's the case just to clear this up i saw some of your supporters saying you know nick is so nice and and got kanya it was half the office and got him on air and introduced him to kanya and and to yay and then jones did all that to poor nick i i've been talking to yay for a long time he never come on the show i gave his number to other folks to come on to my loganopolis he got nick fointes and touched with him so people want to blame me for this whole fiasco i got some involved but that was me saying here get him on their shows that's fine go where you want to go they

wanted to talk to him i gave him the number that's shocking um you know as the as the history books will be written alex the central hub in the middle of these wheels if you want to blame alex for something you have a you have a good argument and i'm not sure where that ends what you have to blame alex for like literally throughout your day you might experience something that you probably could argue is alex's fault you sound like you're about to do like a class action lawsuit commercial no i'm just saying that look at all this you may have a case he's been involved in all this fucking shit man yeah it's it's very strange to consider like i i have some concern or worry that these these kinds of bigots and folks would find each other naturally at some point yeah like

their orbits aren't that big and they kind of overlap so right there's a chance that fuentes and and yay would meet at some point sure but in the real world the way it did happen yeah was that milo wanted to talk to yay because he was excited about the anti-semitic shit he was putting out so he contacted alex alex got him in touch and then milo because yay would go on his show so milo got him and brought fuentes in and now they've got the thing and now milo's gone milo's out because they're all fucking stupid how do you know well i think i think that that is a hallmark of uh chaotic campaigns i mean you remember all the intrigue about who's in who's out with trump stuff like i wouldn't expect anything else that i just wouldn't have expected milo to last

that short and the mooch of of yay he's gone the scaramucci um so yeah i mean like alex has been like so central to so many things too i mean it's just it's wild the problem is it is most likely a coincidence you know what is the forest gump to me it's it's a little bit like uh like the the like the beetles you know like there there was a time was ripe for a thing to happen you know and if you remove the beetles you're gonna have something beetles like take their space you know that kind of well probably not the monkeys they were yeah i don't know they were pretty good they were bad uh but but like if alex was gone the what if of this gaping hole ripped in our society if alex was not there in the past is so huge well you know they the conceivably it still

have like rush limbaugh sure all that stuff totally so that that takes care of a lot a lot but there yeah there are peculiarities of alex's psychoses and his idiosyncrasies that's what it is that really do end up affecting things it is yeah and like his marginalization through so much of his career has led to him associating with so many people that other like rush wouldn't associate with you know like he's he's connected to so many he was just oddly positioned at the right time to be the right piece of shit to do this and and there's there's maybe an argument to be made in a in a much larger four-dimensional sense of what he was placed into was the reason that his downfall occurred you know like if he hadn't been the person in that place at that time then maybe his life

would have gone differently or i mean it absolutely would have gone differently but maybe it wouldn't have been his self-destructive yeah you know probably yeah so like a lot of the pushback that alex is giving is not good it doesn't help make his point sometimes it even helps make nick and yay's points yeah and a lot of the time it is just these softballs that nick can handle no problem like hey is yay secretly fundraising for the adl yeah it's like this is worthless it's a waste of time so we skip to nick boosting yay for president and alex gets a little bit concerned he's like man what about rand paul and uh man nick is so so on rand paul we're supposed to believe our two options in 24 are going to be desantis and trump and desantis i think you like him

i'm not really a huge fan and trump like i said in a very moderated form sort of low energy i still love him i'd still die for him i i still think he's a great hero and one of the great americans but he's not the same guy that he was in 16 everybody recognizes that and so you're not part of what's so exciting he is a young guy in the last couple months with everything that's going going on is here's something out of all the stuff that we were put through you and i in the last two years and many others between january 6 and the pandemic and blm and the election fraud you were put through there's finally a light at the end of the tunnel here's finally a north star you know west but nor maybe a west star here's something that we can finally look at and and actually get

excited about something what do you make of senator paul and what about uh you know i like rand paul i like him a lot i met him actually in 2016 and i actually worked i maybe i didn't work on his campaign i think i campaigned with crews actually during the republican primary in 16 but i was an early supporter of it when i'm talking about when i was a senior in high school but i was a supporter of his i still am i think he's very intelligent but he's a libertarian and he's just not really my kind of conservative i know you're more libertarian i think there's more overlap but i'm really more in favor of bringing back a very strong question flavor of nationalism i don't know that i love that term i feel like it's being hijacked but i want the government to be christian and i want us

to have a true nationalism so it's a little bit strongly shouldn't have an anti christian government hey that's your response that's what he's got yeah okay so uh we've got a north star in yay yeah uh who we can all follow and alex's response what do you think about rand paul just like let's go off on that and then this i want christian nationalism uh and i think the term nationalism is hijacked oh by who people like alex maybe no by you i think he might be implying that it is people like alex his response is where you don't want to anti christian nation jesus great great bro that exchange was exactly like if somebody asked their dad what they think about yay and their dad was like what do you think about zeppelin i think that if zeppelin

hadn't been there that some other zeppelin like band would have but it is so just like man you are far away from the conversation that i am having right now but that's intentional yeah yeah of course that is a oh he wants to get out of the yeah yeah yeah don't say more about why we should follow yet yay so they go to commercial and they come back and alex plays a clip from a uh mid november episode of america first yeah uh nicks show now in fairness this was a clip that they took from right wing watch so it's not like alex watched nicks show right right right this clip is incredibly fucked up and i i listened to the episode or parts of the episode that these clips come from and they are not out of context oh no i will assure you they are in context and incredibly

fucked up oh boy and i don't know why alex played this when it comes to the jews here's a silver lining it tends to go from zero to 60 like they're not wrong about that but there's a reason for that and the reason is them okay when it comes to the jews every society where has gone down with these people it always goes yeah censor shit and never don't want to hear shit burning all the talmuds in paris okay it never starts that way but frequently it seems to end that way and it gets there very rapidly doesn't start there but it frequently ends there but i would say that the jews had better start being nice to people like us because what comes out of this is gonna be a lot uglier and a lot worse for them than anything that's being said on this show or has been said on

this show in spite of the fact that i have been bullied by the jews and i have been oppressed and slandered and lied about and attacked by the jews i have been completely precise for the most part and even handed and nuanced about my view about the situation and i'm also a christian which is gonna matter because there it could be a lot worse i'm gonna say than this show and what's gonna come out of this could be like i said it could be a lot uglier than what we say on the show i know that there are other people that are going to push farther than that once this conversation really starts and the jews are going to look at people like me in america first and say damn i miss when it was just that funny guy and we push so hard and then this and that because

because history has shown that once this train gets going so i i don't know why alex would play that because it reveals something to the audience and that is this is how nick talks on his own show yeah and he's talking fairly similarly on alex's show but a little bit looser he has the uh the jews should be nicer to me because it's gonna get bad it's gonna get worse later uh laughing about it going from zero to 60 once these conversations get going which nick even by his own admission is trying to get these conversations started yeah um i think it gives a pretty particular uh image of what nick is who he is what he believes what like uh i i don't understand why if you're listening to this or watching this show you hear that why

would you believe for a second alex is sincere in his like well you don't really mean this you're saying this for shock value or hey adl is worse like what yeah i mean what's the point sometimes sometimes i have to humble myself and i have to say thank you to people that i wouldn't otherwise so i do want to thank nick because the only reason i am not in jail right now is that he has never come anywhere near me so i am grateful probably has if he has if he has he's very we're both very lucky we're all very lucky people sitting here right now because if you say that i wouldn't say it i wouldn't say it well i mean like my advice it's again it's again uh the kind of thing that when one says it words are not going to help this is not you through you're extorting jewish people

because you're threatening a holocaust this isn't something that you argue you can argue somebody out of no um maybe if they get to a point where they can recognize the uh awfulness and like what they're actually in yeah and and be like oh i should probably try and change then i think there is a possibility for people to change and recognize you know that kind of stuff but if you're arguing with nick like about if you hear somebody say this yeah you're not going to win an argument nope you don't need to engage um and and that that to me i don't understand why there would even be like what is it about this person nick yeah that alex sees as worth i trying to have some sort of a conversation with you have to ask that question and it's it's not a question that leads you anywhere

other than alex has a tacit agreement right with nick about this right he won't uh he won't be as overt as nick but they're on the same page right what if and this this could just be because i grew up in a very uh a cartoon heavy era what if we hit him in the head with a frying pan like an now i'm not saying that it 100% works but here's the here's the problem yeah you would have to prove that getting hit in the head of the frying pan made him anti-semitic in the first place because then the hitting of the frying pan could undo it like the coconut right right right exactly yeah yeah yeah well perhaps alex accidentally hit him with a frying pan when he was a young child so alex feels this personal guilt that's why he got him the show that's why i put him on band tv you

know i look forward to your cartoon it's gonna be a good one deep lore established by philosopher scott adams so alex has this need to defend his own conspiracy world to nick because throughout this nick is also not buying alex's shit yeah of course like alex is bringing up like all the w e f the world economic forum they're behind everything is like that's a forum who goes to the forum they're all controlled by jews yeah yeah yeah exactly alex is just getting busted all over the place with his own narratives not being able to stand up to someone who knows them and doesn't buy it right and so alex tries to defend it and it doesn't work again you really i think spoke to it earlier in the last hour where you said well you're off over there on these kind of side issues of bill gates

the w e f and you know this stuff but that you know we're over here with the jews the w e f and the big corporations the new world order and g g ping are mass murdering people are bringing tyranny and lockdowns and world IDs and controls and whether they're chinese or whether they're german or jewish i'm just opposing these tyrannical objectives and i kind of want a big tit for all of that and i just think it's it's it's it's a first amendment but i do think it's dangerous to then sit there and just invoke all of this and say that jews are the powerful jewish mafias basically around the world i mean is that what you're saying yes and and i think they do i i don't even think it's really disputed anymore after what happened

to yay in that clip that you played with greenblatt from the adl i look at him i mean he was somebody who even in 2018 four years ago was saying things that are regarded as politically incorrect and people throw that around they say well that's politically incorrect like it's just you know broad nebulous thing it's actually very specific he said like partisan conservative talking points in 18 and he was just fine and he's he went on tucker carlson and he he called out china and called out a lot of things and he was just fine then he switched up on the jews he was banned from fox news he was banned from daily wire and you don't have to go through the whole list but we've all seen the cascading effect of this adidas he'll cut gap you'll cut his bank froze tens of millions of

dollars you know i mean it's unbelievable if that doesn't prove it and then the adl is going around now and they're not just fundraising but they're passing her out a letter in congress and they're demanding that nobody give them a platform they're getting him kicked off twitter i don't know how much more clear nick could be with alex like he rejects alex's conception of the world he's expressed fundamentally different views of policies he'd like to enact and he subscribes to an ideology that alex's audience will be very susceptible to this is one of the most ill-advised interviews alex has done probably not as bad as yay but i think it's worse than spencer david duke yeah also how much was a yay being left alone back in 2018 doesn't he complain all the time about people getting

him hospitalized because of supporting trump yeah it seems like nick is just selectively rewriting history in order to accommodate his anti-semitic conspiracy and also he was only fine when he went on tucker because they edited out all the stuff that exactly like yeah this is nonsense man yeah i i mean right now i'm feeling like that story you told of the red card yellow card the kid who ate it like what is what do you think okay if you eat the yellow card i'm gonna eat the red card right come on i have to yeah you know like if you ask me do you sympathize with hitler do you find him yes of course i'm gonna eat the red card that's what i'm here for what are you doing jews around the world yes obviously i'm gonna eat the red card what do i have to do yeah i'm

trying to express to you that i mean this stuff yeah you played a clip of me laughing about it going zero to sixty and that the jews better be nice to me because there's worse stuff coming yes um do you not get it you have all the information i gave you all the clues alex it's all there if this is an escape room it's just a door yeah so alex tries another narrative here and it uh surprisingly also falls flat but how do you square it up that jews in israel have been under the most draconian lockdowns in the world after china had been given the deadly shot and one of the highest death rates from the shot i mean if they're all powerful why is this biomedical tyranny targeting them and doing that to them well i think that that's just a

symptom of the elite i think that's a symptom of hubris i don't know for example that the vaccine is okay to kill people or something i think that the covid thing is very complicated there's a lot of journalism just kind of like bill gates wf alex is off on a side side tangent the shot's not the centerpiece of their takeover yeah get mad come on man show some backbone a racist european system in israel is is is the worst country for being given the poison shot they're locked down to the second worst well wouldn't even make any sense because if they were going around giving everybody the vaccine and that's supposed to take out everybody well who are the most vaccine hesitant who's who's going to be remaining when they're and don't get me wrong i think the shot

is deadly i didn't get vaccinated at all but i the idea that this is some kind of that that the georgia guide stones are dictating global politics i think it's just ridiculous and i think it's one of these things that consortium led by consort the founder of cnn put that up i mean they do believe in the population we're saying nick there is a larger depopulation global agenda and that gets into who funded hitler and how they set him up and this powerful group that's that's that's that's next level uh it's the transhumanist man it's you know to me uh that's what's going on yeah i just don't know how convincing that is i think when you look at these raw demonstrations how convincing Hitler was for government push euthanasia if alex was paying

any attention to nick he wouldn't think that this was a great point to bring up no and it's pretty amazing to see how little respect nick has for alex's entire worldview yep he doesn't agree with alex on fundamental base level aspects of reality so without addressing that this conversation is convoluted alex can't convince nick of anything because nick is a reasonably smart person and he's not one of alex's trapped audience members alex's flimsy distractions and nonsensical conspiracies work on his listeners because they're not really processing what he's saying and almost every guest that he has on is a fellow con artist so they just know how to play along nick doesn't care about pretending to agree with alex's stupid shit because he has his own agenda

to advance so you have a rejection of uh fundamental elements of alex's world being voiced comfortably and confidently on the show by someone alex has complimented as smart repeatedly that's a problem and it's why you see alex begin to interrupt nick more at this point in the interview when he hears i don't know how convincing that is alex knew he couldn't let that sentence continue because nick is about to explain why alex's idea is unconvincing and that is dangerous alex's ideas aren't supposed to be possible to disagree on because they're based on discernment and documents and divine revelation if nick continued on that path alex would be unable to show his world to be real at all and he'd be forced to fall back on outbursts and theatrics which looks bad in

comparison to nick being calm collected non-confrontational for the most part yeah even keel and and i don't i just don't think even those tricks would work i mean it's it is if you're if you're going to get into a fight all right maybe you should try fighting with your best sword you know like alex is trying to fight with a floppy little pool noodle because i don't know what he's even trying to do but i think that's all he has in his armory no he has got scream at this dude's face get ahead of steam in you i cut him off every time and make him run away but i think alex knows that that's not gonna work then keep on going make it an entire fucking train wreck of a thing you've only got one sword that's you're flopping around with a pool noodle so you might as well

bring a sword it's uh it's it's interesting because i don't know how much alex does know this but nick has a lot of experience in those like online debates that do just deteriorate into screaming at each other um and it makes me wonder if alex is aware of that then he would know that nick can handle someone yelling at him and he doesn't shit so i don't i don't know it maybe it's intuition but just like i don't i don't think alex is is much up for the screaming at him it does yeah but you know again you're on home court you can mute him you can you have control over all this you can make this kid look like a fucking idiot unless alex is afraid of losing some kind of an access to yay or possibly alienating nick's audience who are notoriously hostile exactly so he's

gonna go into a fight with a pool noodle as a sort of sacrificial lamb almost in his own words the only way to win is not to play he does like that quote so uh nick not only is gonna disrespect alex by just like uh your ideas are not convincing right he's also gonna make fun of his sales pitch smart all right we got hard satellite breaks i'm sure the grover's will say that was all a big conspiracy but our breaks are at 16 and 29 and uh like 46 so we had to go to break there the point you were making nick when we went to break please continue yeah um between you and tumor 95 i'm getting killed in this debate it's no no no you were bringing up you were bringing up steven crowder i know i know i'm just i'm i'm kidding i'm giving it a hard time um but the

point i'm trying to make is i'm somebody who everybody knows me is like the holocaust denier anti-semite yeah i talk about other things other than that too you know but that that's sort of why what i'm billed as labeled categorized won't you see that i'm so much more than just a holocaust denier what what disgusts me about him so much is this fucking camouflage of ambiguity with humor fuck you yeah you're not actually funny and you fucking know it and the reason people like him is because when he says these funny things they know he's being honest about them there's a sincerity behind that honest or that that attempted yeah it's not ambiguous you're just putting a different lilt on your voice that's it yeah yep so alex uh wants to uh impress upon nick that uh there

Judaism is not one thing there a multitude of people of different opinions and different backgrounds that are all contained within the uh collective of of jews i feel like this is gonna go well no oh it doesn't i can't i mean you would have every reason to think it would it seems like it's unbelievably unbeatable now this one turns out does not work uh oh so so like you're saying that his cynic jews i mean i'm one of the biggest groups in a cynic jews doesn't think israel's sitting i'm going to eat the red car and and is and so i think it's more complex nick than what you're saying i agree with you that there are jewish factions but the one thing that they're all on the same page about is that they're all on team jew i'm numb numb numb that's a delicious car this is

a well-known thing you go to israel and they literally spit on christians and it's so tragic that there are so many christians everybody goes to the same wall i was someites these are not the jews they everybody goes to the same wall these are rabbinical jews that that and i talked about this on the yay interview they believe in the talmud so yeah it's uh i have i have not been to israel myself but i do know a number of people who have who have been and i i've gotten reporting of spitting on zero of those those accounts i mean seems uh seems like a strange uh now stereotype i could be wrong perhaps he's talking about when saladin took over hmm could have been then i would have listened if i was in saladin's army i would have spit on some christians i'll tell you that okay i'll

tell you i i think that you're you're you're sort of insight of the i'm about to eat the card is so right it's just like you can feel in the setup of of alex's the way he's saying it's like weird you're walking into me saying something fucked up it's going to happen what are you doing yeah well you can say a lot of things about alex and we have and we will continue to but one thing that you can't say about him is that he's interested in unity but you can say that he constantly pretends to be interested in 100 you can say that yeah you say this whole thing about bill gates society's you know that's the central issue and i see this whole leftist thing saying america's hitler and you know the leftist groups are captain america i see it just as what it is

and i just hope that all of us can come together and transcend the cashless society and the world government the forced injections and the imploding borders and i'm just trying to get everybody together on those issues instead of obsessing about different groups all day you know there's whole groups think catholics run everything and i don't think that's the case and i don't think that jews run everything i mean who do you think runs china with a billion five hundred million people i think the chinese run china and i think that's why i mean there are problems in china but china's a country that is fighting for it's fighting ruthlessly for its own self-interest and you could say that it's a tyrannical state but china's always been a tyrannical state there are different

kind of society the the chinese people are very collectivist they're very um societally minded they're very obedient and and deferential and that's their culture and that's who they are but there's no question that the chinese standing committee and shesha and ping are going out to bat every day to get great trade deals for china in the way that our our jewish leaders in america are not working for people in oklahoma and iowa does anybody believe the hollywood jews in la and the finance jews in new york and the government jews in dc and the ones in south south florida does anybody think they they care at all they give a damn about people in texas or people in kansas or people in iowa they don't in the same way that you could say putin or shesha and ping

care i think about their countrymen or Assad cares about the people of syria he alex was not expecting that answer alex was expecting nick to say that jews run china and then alex could argue with him about it but unfortunately nick has a different worldview is a i mean just just pathetic just fucking you mean that alex's display here all of them yeah put them all together that is so disgusting yeah fuck you one that's not an answer from nick that's that's a linberg fucking stump speech join hitler well just do it well i will i will say um it is an answer and then not an answer yeah in as much as who do you think runs china i think the chinese run china then that's where the answering part stops you're right and then it deteriorates into

jesus christ yeah so alex decides he's gonna give a little bit of a rebuke you know who my favorite businessman was henry fort so let me tell you what was that oh no oh no um alex has a what i want to describe as a pool noodle of a rebuke nice that he gives to nick well i wanted to have the actual intellectual side of this discussion here today and you know i personally think that everybody that gets sucked into this black hole is giving power to it and that's what some of the senator forces manipulating groups want and i think we have to transcend things on policy and ideas and actual issues and the fruits of the tree we're gonna go to break here in a few minutes it's your chance unfiltered folks we don't scream the calls just have a good clean phone

line tell us where you're calling from and don't cuss those are the rules don't cuss dan we're talking about genociding in an entire people we don't want to make it gross with cussing it's family show so alex's whole thing was that he wanted to take a bunch of calls with nick but weirdly there's like 20 minutes left in the show at this point and he hasn't got the calls that's end up taking like four so this is about as close as alex gets to condemning nick's views and it's the weakest position possible he has no actual criticism of what nick has said he just thinks that there's a black hole that people get sucked into and that's what the sinister forces i guess the globalists want this is boilerplate shit and it means nothing then he says that we need to

transcend things on policy ideas and actual issues none of that has happened on the show at all today nick has been pretty clear about the policies he'd like to explore in this and other appearances he wants to abolish the first amendment he wants to create federal laws regarding where jews can and cannot work and basing most of the government's decisions on a rigid fundamentalist interpretation of christianity yeah if alex actually wanted to transcend things whatever that means in the realm of policy he could have started there defeat nick's desire to ban pornography and even sexy images in the battlefield of ideas by explaining how that attack on speech threatens a wide variety of other forms of speech and expression it's the simplest thing in the world

it's alex's marquee issue and instead of even taking that much of a risk alex just moped around building defenses for the horrible shit nick says and then using the first amendment as a shield for why he and nick shouldn't be criticized for having this conversation it's coward shit even if you entirely buy into alex's worldview if you're a listener of his show and you believe all of it you should be watching this interview and questioning whether or not alex is the champion he pretends to be because he seems like a loser little titty baby yep honestly it's very very sad that's that's the thing i mean i in my head you know the argument could be you know you don't want to piss off nick because it'll alienate his white nationalist fans you know that's the fear

or they'll attack you or something like that in my mind if i'm alex here's the only thing i have control over i have control over my show you know yeah and i have got to dominate this kid because i'm more afraid of people not listening to me because i got my ass beaten by a 12 year old well i think it's too late that is definitely true at this point certainly in the show where they're at it is too late that's definitely true perhaps when he said there was something about Jewishness that makes these people bad or when he referenced the Jewish question sure those could have been times when you would assert that control over your own show should have been yes when you're like all right well the first amendment does allow you to say these things because the government

isn't arresting you so i'm going to make a decision about the kind of content that i am willing to uh put on my space yep that i have control over here get the fuck out yep um but alex didn't do that because some reason and their stupid conversation boils down to him being like oh i think it's jews who control our country and alex being like globalist that's stupid the a shadowy group of people is convincing you to talk about it being jews is the problem it's a shadowy group of people it's um what are you doing again you know it's so painfully obvious if you look at these things that the yay interview was alex desperately being like use code yep just please we can make so much money use code this is gonna be great i bought a money printing

machine yeah and when he's talking to nick it's the same thing yep it's just use that code come on buddy shadowy group i mean he might as well shadowy group will be tapping a sign that says shadowy group okay yeah jesus so alex tries to sum up his point here and uh and let me just make my point here and then i'm basically done debating and arguing all this i don't judge nick fointage even though i disagree with him on some issues here because you can't have the left viciously saying that white people are inherently the devil i have stacks of articles here where major universities in michigan california new york are going to make white people wear badges that digitally track them and don't let them go in certain areas and who's running that the adl

the adl after the last three conferences said i'm the number one enemy we tracked the lawsuits the attacks everything to them but i'm not going to blame the average jew for what that horrible mafia is doing to me and my family who actually use hitler tactics in the process of trying to sum up his point alex uses fake stories to exaggerate the oppression of white people in order to make nick's ideology not look so extreme this is him pretending to oppose nick but doing everything in his power to make nick's argument for him or at least make it more palatable to the audience yeah see now listen i know it sounds crazy for nick to want to genocide people but the adl wants to genocide people so it seems like nick's a great guy

that whole thing about white people wearing badges i think it was from a 2022 mid-term election attack on wisconsin governor tony evers evers had worked as the superintendent of the department of public instruction between 2009 and 2019 at some point during that span the dpi worked with a group called volunteers in service to america or vista in 2013 vista handed out a document titled addressing racial privilege a mental model for white anti-racists which included a section uh that had a suggestion of wearing a white wristband that you can use as a conversation starter about your commitment to equality and acknowledgement of white privilege i believe that that's the story that's at the root of this oh okay because i i've heard alex complain about it

before all right seems like you might have exaggerated that story out a little bit to be a counterweight right now but you're forgetting that uh the live strong bracelets were a shadowy plot to kill people who are either l or s or not good at biking yeah truth and it's exciting to hear that alex has traced all the lawsuits back to the adl i thought it was hillary clinton's law firm that was behind it all they're trying to punish alex for supporting democrats for supporting trump yeah i thought maybe it was soros high-powered democrat lawyers seems like alex has traced these lawsuits back to whoever he wants to pretend is oppressing him on any given day does seem very malleable pretty pretty bad there's a rotating cast of characters taking over it's

like everybody's got their own watch you know from eight to twelve you know we're oppressing alex you know it's smart so one of the things that uh we uh was a roadblock in terms of our initial attempt to record this episode i believe now in hindsight i realized that it was the incessant alex pointing to like the adl being bad yeah in order to make nick not look as bad yes um most of what the his defenses and his arguments surrounding this is like how can i be mad at nick when the adl is so bad right right and that is really what was bogging us down we i was i was convinced we were beating the dead horse that's not true alex was the one who is constantly doing that it was so repetitious yeah it interfered with our ability to literally fucked with us

so you're so racist we couldn't record the show the first time congratulations yeah but here's the thing i don't think it was that he was so racist no that it was boring yeah it got to the point where i felt like we were walking through like knee deep molasses see hearing this defensive nick over and over again yeah and hey look if we have to do a post mortem on this at the end of the day some of that might come down to my fault for when i was cutting clips maybe i had too many of those in you know sure well listen you get this one i give this one to you i appreciate it so alex expresses his opposition to nazis and again i mean on what grounds personal ones that's what i was thinking hitlers for planned societies i oppose that because it is a offshoot of this

eugenics operation and i'm an expert on it i know all about it and i don't just read history books and i'm not going to tell her story and i've never even told the whole story because it's amazing but again dallas texas uh one side of my grandfather's family were old texans the other side the hamans were germans who come here pretty recently and they were not jewish they were blonde-haired blue-eyed and they were in world war two and they know what went on and they told me no hitler was bad and they told me what went on and how the rich germans in dallas once hitler got into power in 33 they would blackmail german family members not my family the people of my grandfather worked with and suck money out of them and what so what i heard about hitler doing that and blackmailing

people and sucking money my family told me went on so i grew up actually hearing about all of that then my grandfather worked in secret weapons programs um and i only heard a little bit of it that my mom heard him talk about he would never talk about it but i remember him bitching when i'm like eight years old about in weapons projects and how he knew he went and he knew verner von brawn all of it and how he had to deal with these damn nazis and how arrogant they were and how he didn't like them so i mean i grew up with both grandfathers have been in world war two they both uh dealt with the nazis and they both didn't like nazis and so i didn't get it from captain america i didn't get it from hollywood i didn't get it from any of that i got it from my

badass grandfather soon now look people today like i look like these guys were freaking bad asses and you know they don't make men like that anymore so that's where i met but that said you can't criticize nick point as i can i can his this is a personal story that is like i don't give a shit like i don't think that this anecdotal story means much in terms of like why you oppose nazis like one grandfather was annoyed by them and then the other one heard something about extortion and also one side of his family sounds like they were nazis 100 nazis they were that was crazy germans came here recently not jewish blonde hair blue eyes yep it seems to be oh andy said they were in world war two yep it seems to me that all of those things are alex adding up to

they were nazis those are those are that's that's the type of lineage and it and it also tracks with alex saying like i've not told this whole story yeah yeah and it i mean i you know on the other hand he's not quite telling it like a romeo and julia you know like my two my grandfather's were both at well at bitter war with each other well no you know you had you had the nazi lineage and then the confederate right and hey boy isn't that america it's the opposite of you got chocolate in my peanut butter it's really it is it is 100 percent that slave owners and genociders are like we do the same job this is such a smart thing we do we are making a bit of an assumption but it is an assumption based on a lot of details that alex was very suggestively saying yeah so he knew a lot

of rich germans in the area at the time hitler took over so i just saw i think that um especially if you're expecting to uh enter a conversation with a guy who you clearly know loves hitler and basically has neo nazi ish ideas i think you should be able to articulate your opposition to hitler and the third rike sure better than saying werner von braun and his buddies were arrogant um and uh nazis extorted people i think that this is soft possibly intentionally and then second he said this exact thing in the yay interview yep like nick has already heard this yeah this means nothing alex doesn't remember he doesn't care i i mean listen i here's the thing that's unspoken that is infuriating right because what's going on here is the world war two hitler

conversation in the context of the holocaust and all that stuff and yeah uh alex's defense is horrendously garbage i i feel like even if you are an anti-semite shouldn't you be able to agree that flattening france is a bad idea that should be held against someone that's interesting he flattened france well hold that against him i i think that's an interesting point um but and the reason that they don't mention that is because they're fine with expansionist governments flattening people that they don't like probably yeah but i think that alex brings this up because to him subjective experience is so much more yes yeah yeah 100 unlike these anecdotal stories and stuff that is much more reality to him than something that happened to somebody who he doesn't know right or the the

broader picture of the atrocities and horrors of world war two we're dealing with two narcissists i mean it went as this bullshit earlier about being like i don't care what happened in the past the adl has affected my life like fuck off one no and two who cares your life is meaningless you bag but maybe his comments aren't so bad because the adl is so bad alex keeps saying it that's but then what he thinks better of it oh that's good he's like my baby but then he thinks better of the thinking better of it okay this is basically alex ping ponging with himself okay that's where i'm at but that said you can't criticize he's in the dryer he's been spun around so many times when the left is literally redlining the engine when it comes to race-based politics and the adl

is captaining it teaching elementary students they're inherently bad because of what color they are but my issue is i'm not gonna sink to the level of the adl but i say mess around find out like nick fointess said earlier you think nick fointess is your ultimate enemy the support for what yay said was 50-50 i wanted to demarcate the fact that i'm not for authoritarianism and i don't agree with what happened what some of the things he said i don't agree with the censorship and what's happened to him but i'm not in league with that whole world view so that's where i'm at that's convoluted where are you at yeah i don't start at the beginning with where you're at i think if you're listening to this it'd be pretty tough to get a sense of like what that means

i would like rather than going on the journey to find out where alex is at i would like him to tell me where he's at and then show his work if he must he's never gonna do that no um so he's saying that you can't judge nick because the adl is so anti-white and they're teaching white kids that they're bad because of that right but alex doesn't want to do what nick is doing because he doesn't want to sink to the level of the adl but also fuck around and find out like nick said in that clip that alex played from america first that these jews should be nice to us because there's worse people coming yeah so that's that's what alex is harkening to there right and as a little bit of a cherry on top he says the support for yay's comments were 50-50 which is to say

half of my audience um is uh is nazis yes half my audience is nazis yeah and i am half of my audience has the potential to be those worse people that are coming uh if you're not nice enough to nick and yay it is it is so fucking unreal it is uncanny it is uncanny because i think of these people and i see them wearing the skin of a human and all of those things right but when they talk to each other this this lack of mirror this idea of like well obviously the adl is leading so much racism and it's like you just heard a guy say the jewish question to your face you're out of your goddamn mind right what is going on in your brain some of that probably comes back to that subjectivity thing too though like you know there is an inability to probably

process that like the things that you were involved in are like as bad or worse than the things you're accusing sure but that's that's the thing to me that is so confusing about navigating life is like i don't know what it is that you are if you can't do that because i i and that doesn't mean that i think i'm some sort of more human or or they're not human or anything like that right i don't know what i am in this context because what i think of is a person who can do a thing you know yeah and this is insane well and i think that another thing too that kind of muddies the waters even more is that this is for all intents and purposes a conversation between two people but it's also a performance yeah and as much as they know they're being recorded

right it's also um alex doing his show and kind of not trying any harder than he normally does that's fair that's fair and nick being pretty overt and comfortable in his own position in a way that he hasn't been on alex's show in the past so there is a persuasive element that nick is bringing to it that alex thinks that he is also bringing to it but he is not right and and that kind of that can kind of add a little bit of another variable to it yeah where you accuse these people of being like ah this is the most horribly racist thing in the world and not acknowledge the thing that that is in that the conversation that alex and nick are having because it's part of the performance of the conversation yeah yeah um totally but yeah i mean i think this has just

been awful it's been very bad nick sucks um he has gone as far possibly further than yay did on his interview yeah now i think maybe the only saving grace um if you want to even call it that is look at how little attention this got right you know yeah there is something to be said for how much this is demonstrable evidence of how much nick needs yay to um penetrate in any way into outside markets right you probably didn't even know that this happened nope until we started recording no clue i think a lot of people didn't and i can say for sure based on the number of tweets that come in yeah um it was a flood when yay was on right a couple right when this happened so i think that there is something that is like well this is dangerous this is fucking awful it's

definitely going to have an effect on alex's audience um and there is a real danger of him swaying some of them over yeah um but in terms of this having the same kind of broad effect that yay being on had it's it's less yes it's less than that yeah i agree now in terms of alex protecting his audience he's not doing a good job and actually he's doing a bad job we can go for 10 hours nick you gotta come back and take like two hours of calls and we'll do a commercial free podcast some saturday and we'll open the phones up and take like 50 calls we should do this you got your own show on cozy uh tv as well give people the url cozy dot tv slash nick yeah i'd love to yep don't be afraid of the info folks check it out and band on him band

dot video and info wars dot com we'll be right back don't be afraid of the info what the fuck just happened funneling his audience to uh to nicks uh site i i mean alex just invited him to talk more does alex not know that he just got spanked um he might be in denial about it that's crazy that's crazy that is an insane thing but it's if if you're describing it as a spanking it's a sort of assisted spanking because that's for sure alex if he wanted to could have had far more robust pushback oh yeah he could have had any number of ideas for things to say to to nick other than well the adl is really bad so uh you maybe aren't as bad hey have you ever considered that uh maybe it's not jews and maybe it's globalists yeah like these are these are just like the best he can do

alex's brand is being right 100 99 exactly but but the point is you can't i mean and i'm not talking about spanked in the debate like the ideas were whatever they're nothing what i'm talking about is the debate happened and nick clearly has nothing to be afraid of nobody can hurt him from his little screen right alex is clearly afraid of tons of shit and it's palpable yeah that's that's what he got spanked with yeah he is not the sir he's not certain he's not like this is how it is he's like maybe it could be listen up jerk exactly yeah exactly listen up you have this worldview and i understand where you're coming from you're 23 preach shut the fuck up preach because what you're doing is actually damaging to the cause there you go boom

you need to understand know your role shut the fuck up know your role kind of life experience know your role is what it should be said right and absolutely and yeah the the fact that he doesn't behave that way is sad weak unbecoming i that's that's that's what would make me leave alex in my head of what an alex listener is obviously wouldn't me has nothing to do with it right but in my head if i'm a and alex jones info wars fan one of the big things that i'm a fan of is that this loud angry man is right all the time and he's giving it to him the way that it needs to be given happy to scream at pierce morgan totally and talk about it for the next decade yep and uh yeah he's just can't handle a little baby no not really so they take a few calls yeah

and um one of them is a real bummer i guess probably the most important one i want to make was you know in the context of my daughter she's a 14 year old girl oh god and she was sitting there listening to this conversation oh god and people need to realize especially you know people like you nick that have an influence over younger people need to be very careful with her words extremely careful you don't realize what kind of influence you have uh i think honestly this is my personal opinion you do what you want to but i think you need to read the bible cover to cover before you make any more comments good good call so nick is super aware of his influence yeah tricking kids into thinking extremism and anti-semitism are cool

is legitimately the cornerstone of his marketing strategy that's what he wants yeah that's how like it got going for him like he was being radicalized by weirdo nazis pretending to be teens on 4chan and now nick is trying to take that game and go pro this caller so fucking said for one letting his 14 year old daughter listen to this unreal and two for thinking that nick wouldn't hear a warning about the influence he has on kids as an amazing compliment at a boy yeah at a boy i did it you can almost feel him laugh yeah i know that's that's absurd yeah what that's that's such a great little bad dad thing to try you know like you know what i'll do i think i can talk him down by telling him about the bible you got to read it twice the good word my friend

yeah you got a lot of mixed up ideas that this good old book can solve well you know what on some level that is kind of like a real milk toast version of the shut up until you're older yeah yeah thing totally but it's it's very very black you know what's cooler than dancing of the bible kids come on down we've got a youth group together yeah so this next caller is fun long and short of this is i think this guy is a nazi supporter but also he insists that alex is german and alex will not accept that hey guys alex and nick it's just a good job opening up this dialogue and before i ask my question i just want to say you know maybe it is time for you know the right the conservatives to stop invoking hitler and the left to always deflect the hitler um but

alex i gotta ask man um don't you agree that the germans are fighting for a better future for all of europe um in world war two i mean aside from like the the tactics of the war and hitler you keep repeating that you're german don't you think that europe would be in a better place now you know i did not say i'm german i say i have german ancestors and hitler got 20 million germans killed well well that would make you german sir but what what it makes me is i'm an american and a christian a christian and then an american in a fight oh man weird now we've got two racists who disagree about their racism suddenly being accosted by a completely different form of racism racism works guys and this uh yeah this collar is weird weird i i can't quite place him but i do think that what

he was expressing is that if hitler had won world war two things would be better yes that is what he was expressing that seems to be the sort of uh uh bullet point also i just love the i i don't know i was german your great parents are german yeah well i mean i think that was also another subtle indicator is that that like no no no you said you had one grandfather's german your german you're part of sir you're part of the fatterland sir you will yeah yep so we have one last clip here and uh like these collars suck because there is legit pushback that a caller could make on what nick is bringing to the table within the conception of info wars yes or go weird there are there are great way outside of the info wars box there are potent criticisms that could be made based on the

things that nick's saying call him out for saying the jewish question thing call him out for saying that uh there's a jewishness that makes people bad yeah any of these things could be like what the fuck did you mean by that yeah that's a family show don't swear now i can't swear but the we get this guy saying hey think about the influence you have on kids and read the bible twice we get this other guy who's probably on nick's side quite frankly oh yeah and then we get this hey nick just a question for you like like these are all just words and it's so silly that we're beating each other up why don't you start living in christ my question to you is like why don't you it doesn't have to be uh horse driven why don't you become like the amish do your own thing why didn't you know

for a group you know the amish live in christ more minutes of the day than probably any group out there why don't why don't you just stop throwing bombs and start living in christ that's my question to you well i i don't know what that means i'm not amish so i don't think living in christ means living in a low tech society i'm living in christ every day i'm a christian i go to church i pray every day i pray the rosary and what we're called to do it's we're called to go out and evangelize and tell the truth there's horrible iniquity and horrible injustice going on in the world if you're a christian you have to be disgusted at the state of our country like i said the filth in the media the filth in our school system the groomers the porn the media it's terrible and and to sit

by and watch all these innocent people and some kind of quietest you know people call this the benedict option i think it's a dear election of duty i think it's an application of environment more calls all right right right right i i think that this guy's like hey hey buddy why don't you make a fucking religious weirdo compound um i don't want to i why don't you go be like the amish i'm not amish guys i don't know what you're doing sir yeah that like they they are in christ more time oh my god it's such a it's such an easy thing to to say like oh i don't agree with their conception of what it means to be in christ oh okay well thanks thanks for taking my call i guess what you're gonna do it's such it's it's the problem with i mean but that's that's how the

religious uh peer pressure always winds up working is somebody like nick comes in and then they're like hey you know what i don't think you really understand the bible and we need to learn about it that and then somebody like nick gets power and they're like well nick says some interesting things sure i like listening to nick i thought i knew about the bible but i guess i don't yeah i i you know i disagree on a few things but uh you know more than uh you know you said some other things that you gotta you gotta listen to and plus these other folks are saying some really bad things so maybe the maybe the extreme stuff that he believes in art isn't really that extreme oh man um i i think i hate this um i don't want to just cover this stuff but it's more or less the only

thing that i find relevant about alex's present day behavior it does feel that way um i i mean just today trump came out with those nfts so i i do wonder what alex is going to say about that oh my god um but i hope that this can uh move on to a different subject uh soon yeah or at very least i'll you know be in the past i'll tell you what i'll tell you what you know what when uh nicks brand of catholic fascism takes over i refuse to believe that that priest actually turns that cracker into jesus's body whoa i refuse i'll i'll die on it whoa i will die on it you can hang me from the rafters if you think i'll ever say that the priest literally transforms a cracker into the skin of jesus christ whoa i'm not doing it whoa i'm not doing it whoa not once

i i i think that this is um a bad interview a bad debate yeah um nick is escalating he's taking some of the things that uh were part and parcel of the a interview and reasserting them to alex in a way that alex is um impotent to push back on or unwilling that we can't rule that out entirely because at the end of all of it alex is still like hey i want to talk to you for two hours i mean it commercial free let's do this buddy i want to get more in the nick fuentes business an unreal um but it's it was much more um monotonous than i thought it was uh listening to it yeah i thought it was far more engaging and interesting but it is really just alex kind of hitting the same notes it's the adl is worse than you so hey maybe it's not so bad yep how can i criticize you when they

exist um that's the problem with the lesser of two evils argument always goes bad sooner or later and then the other thing is the trying to be like hey you were trying to uh be sensational and trying to right piss off the sensors and um all the trying to give nick excuses for uh him right that he doesn't want in the same way that he was doing that with uh with yay um and this doesn't bode well it does not uh it alex's behavior does not make me confident that he's going to be able to navigate the more choppy waters that we're going to be getting into as we get closer to the 2024 election whether or not uh yay continues as a quote unquote candidate or not but but even if he even if he doesn't this isn't where this ends no that's true this pageant uh that we're in the

middle of that is true um and alex he's shown himself to not be able to deal with chapter one so uh the as the book progresses i imagine it's going to get worse i i just feel like it's it's just so obvious when you watch yay and nick do these things with those other people it's so obvious that they're throwing a bomb in the idea of we always need to lie and be by doing that they're revealing that everybody's lying like how does that not sink in for people you know like you watched all of these people reacting the exact same way to this man saying the same thing over and over and over again he means it you know he means it and i know he means it and you agree with him over and over

and over again but you keep telling him to lie about it yeah because you're a liar it it does seem to i mean granted we should be clear we've only listened to the uh gaven and alex appearances sure and tim pool uh we give that an incomplete grade yeah that's that's yeah that didn't get off the uh the runway he's lucky he gets an incomplete on that but there were a couple of other interviews that may or may not have uh gone that way but in terms of gaven and alex i i i agree with you that does reveal yeah their uh crypto nests yeah for sure yeah um but hey fuck all this fuck all this has been a fuck this has been a fuck we'll be back jordan with another episode but until then we have a whip we do a deed it's knowledgefight.com yep

we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark uh ice cubes are juicy and now here comes the sex robots andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you