Knowledge Fight - #758: December 8, 2003

Episode Date: December 19, 2022

Today, Dan is sick, so he and Jordan travel back to the past to answer a very important question: what do you get when you combine a Master Mason, a Klansman, and an incompetent radio host?  Turns out, you get this episode.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight dan and george knowledge fight need money andy and kansas you're on the earth thanks for holding hello alex and mr simcollar i'm a huge fan i love you knowledge fight no no no no knowledge fight dot com i love you hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight i'm dan i'm jordan we're a couple dudes like sit around worship at the altar of selene and talk a little bit about alex jones oh indeed we are dan jordan dan jordan quick question for you buddy what's up what's your bright spot today i feel like we got a little lag going here that wasn't there before we started recording it was

not there at all about two and a half seconds ago and now i feel it this is incredibly disorienting but we'll make the best of it um so my bright spot today is not that we are recording remotely because i got a little bit of a sickness that's true i have come down with a bad case of loving you awoo no i don't know what it is but i took a covid test and it's not that so um right i don't know we're you know we're still recording remotely because uh you know could be any number of different things is wiser now in this day and age to to be smart about things like this you know sure sure i'm put i hit the button and the blast doors came down the studio and i'm locked in but my bright spot actually is that it happened before i fell fell ill and that is that i was

taking some uh a couple bags of buttons uh packages packages of buttons to the uh the uh mailbox down the street because of course i can't just leave them in my apartment they wouldn't pick them up so i you just throw them out the window and you expect the birds to take them where they need to go it would be nice if i had carrier pigeons that would take things to scotland um but i was on my way down there and i saw a uh mail truck and so i walked up to it and i asked the guy like hey i'm about to take these down to this mailbox anyway you could just take them from me it was like of course no really yeah it was just a little thing but it was so nice it was it was so positive this mail carrier and like i don't know it really brightened my uh my

spirits you know i mean that's that's so cool because part of me honestly expects the response to that to be like no it's illegal right right or there's a policy that i can't break there's some reason where it's like i can't accept this by hand there's you know god or any number of reasons right yeah we can't have definitive trail of custody or chain of custody it has to go in a box at some point yes exactly uh but yeah that was really cool i like that i appreciate that yeah that's great tell about you what's your bright spot uh my bright spot it's kind of like uh it's kind of more like a twilight spot so to some extent like uh uh my bright spot is the world cup final was today just ended right and it was i mean it i couldn't do it justice to describe what

happened with 10 000 words it's everybody's already describing it as the greatest world cup final that's ever existed right sure you know a lot of excitement right right i mean it's one of it really was astonishing to watch but on the other hand it made me think of like the pyramids do you know what i mean because you mean like in egypt in uh other countries would be like ancient pyramids the ancient pyramids it made me think about how we still go see them and what they are is really monuments to what you can build with slavery and blood you know that kind of thing interesting perspective because i actually heard from a guy that they were used to store grain that's possible uh he was a doctor where else well i mean aliens have to keep their

grain somewhere and it was at the time but yeah it is it is this world cup is one of the most amazing things i've ever seen and it's also a testament to what can be built with blood and slavery so it's a terrible thing and an amazing thing french and argentinian soccer teams were built on blood and slavery no but the arena was oh the world i see i forgot i forgot that uh it was in katar and yeah was there right hey i guess he was because why not that's my other bright spot this elon musk guys doing some some great things at twitter he seems to be maybe that's part of why it made me think of the pyramids what are these awful billionaires but uh modern day pharaohs right you know sure it's terrifying yeah so that's my bright spot fantastic so jordan

today we have an episode to go over even though i have fallen ill uh and uh look the the the mill the the the podcast mill can't be closed just because the foreman is closed or whether rain nor sleep nor sickness or hail right i would take the day off but that mailman uh really inspired me you know there's nothing you could do no no so uh but because my voice may not hold out uh we may have a little bit of a shorter episode today we're gonna be back in 2003 talking about december 8th 2003 good idea um and i think even other you know without that i still probably might have put alex in his timeout spot um for bad behavior uh even even if uh it wasn't uh ill um but uh today yeah this episode is a lot of um a lot of calls he's a lot of calls that's fun

call heavy um and unfortunately i am a witch and uh when i say that i would put him on time out it would work against me because of what ends up happening in some of these calls oh my god what is this the episode where common reveals he's an antisemite on infowars unless common goes by greg in new mexico or whatever that i'm not sure did he really what did be get released because i feel like it was right around this time was he on a promotional tour i don't believe that common uh is backpacking at the infowars studio uh right um he uh these callers terrible um so we'll get down to business on that but before we do uh let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks oh that's a great idea so first i set my goals but uh before

i set my house on fire thank you so much you are now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much uh next i blame robert evans thank you so much you are now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much uh next none of this is real ambassador squatch's second favorite podcast thank you so much you're now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much next alexjones can eat my ass thank you so much you are now a policy wonk i'm a policy wonk well thank you very much and curb your existentialism's missing hoodie is a false flag also my 401k isn't doing so well of late bro thank you so much for now policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you very much and we get a technocrat at the mix jordan so i this person told me to read this as uh the the

symbols exist i think it's some kind of a coding joke uh oh i'm not entirely sure so maybe this is maybe the robots will find this real funny all right all right it could be we're in walley um so tech flex and maxitha's apostrophe close parentheses semicolon drop table technocrat semicolon dash dash thank you so much you are now a technocrat i'm a policy wonk four stars go home to your mother tell her you're brilliant someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark jar jar binks has a caribbean black accent he's a loser little little titty baby i don't want to hate black people i renounce jesus christ thank you very much i hope that wasn't some sort of a missile launch code or something that i have just

let out i'm worried that you drew something horrifying and ascii who knows so jordan today we start off and here is the vibe that alex is putting out into the universe and it's a vibe that it's a monday man this is a monday show and it's a real monday ass vibe it's already another monday a big fat week spanning out before us it is the eighth of december 2003 it's got a big fat week big fat week ahead of us fat week that's whatever that's what i say whenever it's monday oh there is fat well i mean what you're what you're forgetting is this again we're back in 2003 this is ph at this is prime ph at time so whatever people say it was a big fat week you know what it means well i mean like in the uh it last year i would hear alex constantly say that we have a

thick with two c's uh week coming up so um we we get to uh talking about some actual stuff uh pretty quickly uh what like i said alex takes calls uh pretty consistently throughout the show and as a testament to that here is a our second clip is a caller already a call already a caller god damn and this caller is a guy who works in law enforcement right oh that's not good and he claims uh i believe that this is actually probably true he claims that he works with chuck norris because chuck norris is like a deputized honorary police officer of some kind wait wait i thought that was steven seagull or is that were they both deputies i think a lot of them might have dabbled in wasn't shack uh deputy

sheriff honorary sheriff too i i've i've never thought this before but thank god bruce lee is dead so we didn't find out that he's a cop in new orleans or something later honorary cia for a while that would be great so anyway here's this caller talking about uh chuck norris and we learned something unfortunate about this caller and probably about chuck norris well yeah that's over one of my officers uh uh i had a reserve force at the department i worked at and one of my officers was chuck norris uh chuck's a big uh really a good guy but he's a big bush supporter and big uh but i'm sending him your videos by the way he's a but uh very smart and and we were we were having a discussion uh a couple years ago he had he had filmed one of his shows was a christmas

show and he was really having some trouble with cbs and i said what's the deal and he said they don't want me to mention baby jesus i said why and he said well why do you think he said the jewish influence and oh god is is is really really strong now i'm not anti-jewish i'm not at all i'm not any anything but it's no i mean certainly but it's wrong for those executives who who obviously don't like christianity uh to uh try to mold things and and that's been on the record yeah so chuck norris can't mention you're a witch man can't mention the baby jesus because of the jewish influence on the media and and alex has a disappointing reaction to that call yeah i mean i was i was going back and listening to this and like right out of the game i'm like

what the fuck is going on like i know that i know that even in like other periods of 2003 that we've gone back to there have been like undertones and obviously there's you know some anti-semitic conversation going on sure bigoted stuff of various stripes but like going back and just being like well there's there's overt it's just it's pretty overt in some of these episodes and right in your face yeah i mean you know there's a part of it that makes me think one of the reasons that we're we're kind of unused to it right now is because i guess 20 years ago they just didn't feel the need to speak it out loud to each other because their their anti-semitism was never under threat you know now that people are paying attention to it then it's now it's time to start

going absolutely crazy but it was always there it was always there you know yeah yeah and it'll be more there as this episode goes along too because this color is not uh not an anomaly let's say on this episode very weird that's where we start it's not going to be like okay well now we need to respect all peoples i didn't think so so on this episode alex does spend a fair amount of time talking about how great gold is doing and gold prices through the roof and whatever good and he has been on other episodes in 2003 too that i've been listening to but he never mentions uh that he works for my disresources and that they sell gold he's not so weird he's not doing the second stage of the gold sale thing but it is so obvious that he's selling gold he's marketing gold right all

right and so here's a little clip of that and then a big if true news story that's not true this is very very serious and uh you know i said i'd check it during the break and i didn't check it i was busy thumbing around through these articles trying to find that world that daily an ap article about the judge down in south texas uh saying that if people at their graduation ceremony say the word jesus they'll be given six months in jail hey george will you check that for me check the price of gold i wanted to check that and it's my fault i forgot during the break yeah man if you mentioned jesus christ you're gonna you're gonna get six months in jail see here's the thing i understand why saying if you mentioned jesus christ is war like emotionally charged for people but if you if

there was a law that was any word leads you six months in jail i'd be furious about it right like it doesn't matter if it's jesus christ or the like and if and let you hit six months in jail i'd be furious too yeah i mean like i guess yelling fire in a crowded building if you lead to like people dying by like stampede then maybe you could get a manslaughter charge or something right but like that's that's a pretty specific circumstance it takes a lot of other problems going on around you before that becomes the central one yeah maybe at a like a graduation speech they don't want you to just like give a sermon maybe at a public school they don't necessarily maybe that's not encouraged but no but also by the way why is a judge giving like this press conference like

we will lock you up if you say jesus here's the problem okay he's locked up 30 or 40 people already for saying jesus christ and he's just getting tired of it maybe people don't know about how you get locked up for saying it so he's giving you a nice prep it is more of a warning than it is a notice yeah yeah yeah hey just don't do it you know this is like a falling rock sign yeah so we get another caller and this person has a bit of a perspective that is like hey you know what's great forced prayer in school okay and if you don't like that you can get the fuck out i don't like that get out the country no it wasn't what i was gonna talk about but i want to make a comment on it when my children were young i'm grateful that they had a teacher in a small school that led

them in that little prayer you mentioned god is great god is good let us thank him for our food you will now let me stop you you'll be now expelled from school if you say that right i think since we were founded as a christian nation those that are offended should just leave this nation and let us go on as a christian nation yeah man if you don't like our tendencies towards theocracy and you don't like our indoctrination of of kids in public schools into christianity get the fuck out yeah all i'm saying is that right there all i'm saying is that if there is a child from a different culture they need to go to an american school have that culture torn from their bodies assimilate into whiteness and only white christian theocracy and then everything's gonna be fine i feel like

people are overreacting to my advice conversely they have another choice and let's get out they could get out yeah so when we when we hear in the present day you know like nick fuentes coming in and talking a bit about like these tendencies towards christian theocracy christian nationalism it is not a foreign conversation to the mentality of a lot of info wars listeners even over like far earlier times yeah yeah it makes you it makes you wonder like perhaps part of the reason that he's he's so willing to throw those those bombs is because uh you know maybe 15 years ago it started becoming more important not to do those types of things and so the right wing commentators took their anti-semitism and the like into that coded language world and he wasn't

alive for that he wasn't alive for the fallout from the first time everybody was like what if we just hated jews all the time you know that's possible he wasn't alive for a lot of these like really important elements of the the right wing you know he wasn't alive for what happened after oklahoma city um you know there's yeah there's an argument to be made there that he probably doesn't recognize the stakes for the um the con people yeah yeah and for the militia organizing you know sure and he's he's a kid so you know you can always just point to this kid and be like listen i know you think you have had a brand new idea that no one's ever fucking thought of before but i'm going to be honest with you you have not yeah the same fresh buddy yeah yeah so alex's main

story on this episode appears to be that the supreme court has decided that there is no second amendment which i mean he reports pretty much three or four times a year uh based on a different story of some sort and it is never true yeah 20 years on i believe the supreme court has invalidated the second amendment at least 48 times it's unreal yes and so he's explaining some of this stuff to a caller who has a question about uh about this ruling what is this new uh ruling by the supreme court due to uh sheriff max case that he brought before the supreme court on stage right and that they said that the brady bill was unconstitutional well and yes they did rule that it was unconstitutional

in 97 but you notice the brady bill is still in force if they don't like a ruling the government just ignores it the executive and legislative uh if they like a ruling they'll enforce it and the appeals court uh out in uh san francisco they ruled a few months ago that there is no second amendment that they can ban guns any guns they wish and the supreme court ruled that they agree with that ruling and are not going to hear the case and uh so does sheriff max case still stand well or not you know each case is separate and different and he won his case but again the brady bill was kept in force and expanded but it is not constitutional uh yes the supreme court said that that they're not allowed to have instant checks and checks and all that but

they don't care it continues um indeed completely unrelated to this caller or clip the day after this episode was recorded the supreme court decided that the potomac river was under virginia's control mariland wanted to be in charge of the river but the court said no at a court battle of who gets the river okay alex is a really bad source of information because pretty much everything he's saying in that clip is incorrect he's telling this caller inaccurate information and then using that to construct false narratives about the reality that we all live in the 1997 supreme court case that alex is talking about is prince versus united states and it did not determine that the brady gun bill was unconstitutional that bill had a

provision that required gun background checks to be done for purchases but on the federal level that system was not prepared yet according to the bill state law enforcement agencies were required to use their background check system to run this until such a time that the federal system was ready prince versus united states ruled that this was unconstitutional to make state law enforcement carry out federal law enforcement activity the state law enforcement folks were required to uh be asked to do this and that if they wanted to opt out they could that was the result of this ruling ultimately most states had no problem with the setup and continued to participate by their own consent and the issue became moot once the federal background check system was operational

naturally alex is lying about the supreme court decision to tell it this caller that the government ruled the background checks for gun purchases was unconstitutional but they didn't care they just ignore rulings that they don't like this is a dangerous message to be sending to an audience like alex is because if the government doesn't even follow supreme court decisions then isn't everything a farce there's literally no way the public can be involved in politics since the globalists just decide who's going to win elections and they can just act capriciously and decide whether or not to follow their own court's decisions this is not a state of affairs that anyone rational or sincere would be presenting as just the way things are this would be a message

that implies the a need for action and all civic participatory government related actions are clearly pointless based on his talent yeah yeah absolutely this is the one though that is is also the reason that prince had uh changed his name to the symbol right no it's a printz so it's even cooler than prince ah dang that was so close uh i i just like the idea that uh the supreme court the thing about the supreme court is one of the reasons that it's so easily exploitable is because the actual decisions are so nerdy and specific like no no no see what we're really deciding on is whether or not this line is acceptable to cross by these very specific circumstances so you might as well just claim it does anything right like who gets the river yeah exactly very narrow narrow circumstances

so in talking about these cases in court decisions alex never uses specifics and that's for two reasons one he probably doesn't know any of them because he's lazy and he does zero show prep two it's not in his interest to be specific because he's lying and he doesn't want to make it easy for his audience to follow up his claims and realize that because he's so unspecific i'm left to assume that the ninth circuit court of appeals case in san francisco that he's referring to is nordike versus king since that was a decision that came down in 2003 and was uh not accepted by the supreme court that ruling has to do uh it's not with uh banning guns or declaring that there's no second amendment it was a situation where a gun dealer sued alameda county because the county had passed an ordinance

banning possession of guns on county property this includes this included the fairgrounds which is where nordike the gun dealer held gun shows that ordinance was passed in 1999 and the reason was uh was stated as being because there was a shooting that happened the previous fourth of july at the alameda fair there was uh believed to be a bit of a gang confrontation that resulted in 10 injuries including an eight-year-old boy and two other minors right this case about this ordinance is the closest thing i can find what alex is talking about and it's nowhere close to reflecting any of his narratives i wonder if he gives some specifics about this story later in the episode he doesn't he does you shouldn't be optimistic that that information is going to come

it's just this this ruling and because the supreme court decided not to hear it now the second amendment's gone no no no no they just ruled that a county does have the ability to ban guns on county property if if you think that the supreme court and i mean if you think that the government is just enforcing whatever rules it likes or not then i mean there's there's the conclusion that you know there's no point in participating in democracy at all but i would also imagine that if you have guns and alex is telling you that guns are banned in this country and nobody's coming to stop you then your your assumption would be that they just don't want to do it right or they're waiting for the strategically right moment oh god dang it there's

no win there's no win it's always it's always fucked when your worldview and reality is largely based on creative writing prompts it turns out you can just add new layers to things constantly to get you out of a jam yeah i would have kicked a lot of people out of the creative writing class if i were running it a lot of people would be gone i would i would say that uh you know as an exercise that's gone on for 20 years in creative writing it's a very repetitive it is we need some new themes and motifs to start appearing you're great as cb after class so um alex has this idea about these gun bills and these supreme court rulings and what have you and you know the the n r a is derelict in its duty because it's not telling people the fake versions of these bills

that alex is telling people and i'm telling you if the n r a and shotgun news and others would tell the truth about these rulings it would stop pacifying gun owners we'd get our second amendment back we'd be repealing the gun law next year the assault weapons ban instead of bush expanding it but the average gun owner doesn't even know about this because rush limbaugh and the n r a have done their job of keeping you in the dark as we saw in that last clip it's alex who's lying about these cases and rulings he's the one creating a false reality in order to scare his audience alex needs to attack these more mainstream gun organizations because they don't live in his false reality the n r a can support gun rights all day long but if they don't pretend this supreme

court decision is the end of the second amendment then according to alex they have to be liars and probably gun grabbers in disguise this strategy has a couple of good effects from alex's standpoint the first is that it makes anything the n r a does look less extreme and always not enough the audience will always demand that the gun rights organizations take a couple more steps than they should because they believe that they're responding to the fake stories alex tells them the second effect is that the audience will push the n r a further towards living in alex's false reality or at least behaving as if that false reality were real in order to keep up with the base for any sense of this consider that ted nugent was a fairly controversial person to

associate with back at this point and he's now a member of the n r a board yeah you know they they have shifted a little due to this external pressure based on you know false stories yeah i mean and at the at this point you know why why aren't more people talking about it well most people don't own assault rifles i mean an absurdly small number of people own assault rifles and the only people who are protecting them are people who are either overreacting because of a slippery slope argument or people who are like living in a uh fucking bungalow in brooklyn being like i need a surface to air missile otherwise my won't be safe you know it's like what are you gonna do well there's some other people who are focusing on this story and they are folks who like to sell

guns at the fairgrounds in alameda county those people are maybe paying close attention to the story but uh those people are paying very close attention but i think they understand uh that alex's story is bullshit if they are so um we we had earlier um a story that is clearly nonsense about you going to prison for six months if you mentioned jesus jesus christ oh shit they're out here oh we were recording remotely for the first time forever and now the cops are out here cherries and berries you're going down i said jesus christ so now here's another prediction that alex has about uh stuff that will happen uh from a law enforcement standpoint in the near future and pay attention to this see see if you uh do you think this happened is alex correct my friends

what would you do if the federal government passed a law that at least one day a week you had to report to a local community service board part of the growing soviet-style neighborhood watch and that you had to go help dig ditches help with community projects pick up trash pull weeds engage in checkpoints help the police run checkpoints at random checkpoints on the side of the highway what would you do they were trying to pass a law to do that well they are passing laws to do that they've built the infrastructure under americor now secure core which is a division of tips which they increase the funding for tips was never canceled and to get out of high school you'll have to serve several years as a cattle tail helping police serve warrants

building that's her sorry what point fugitive apprehension sir warrants yeah you what okay so to get out of high school you have to do a couple of years of fugitive apprehension sorry yeah we're getting our we're getting our 15 16 year olds out there as bounty hunters uh excuse me sir i just want to let you know that you've been served you're gonna need to appear in court you're gonna need to do that to graduate right that's the premise yeah what about to get a g ed couldn't you just drop out if you don't want to do that no no no no no if you if you get a g ed you have to become a cop for five years it's they got you coming in your home yeah there's no escape so yeah this was in 2003 and this is alex's prediction of what's coming and i think he was wrong i think uh

basically um i don't know i don't know i don't know if it's a terrible idea like maybe i mean i think it's probably a terrible idea to compel people to do stuff like that it's a terrible idea to outsource uh fugitive apprehension work to high school no i meant i met on a more like when he started his he was like oh you know you have to pull dick weeds and all that stuff and then it elevated to serving warrants very quickly yeah yeah he weighed too quickly volunteerism and encouraging it within uh people in high school i don't think is bad and like when i was at the university of missouri i worked for a while at the office of service learning and it was part of my job was to um look through the course catalog and try and find courses that naturally lent themselves

to volunteer opportunities being incorporated into the curriculum oh that's really cool yeah and so that kind of stuff i think is very positive and i think alex would interpret that as college students being forced to serve warrants for something yeah yeah obviously or like a or like a neighborhood surveillance like you're always watching your people around snitch patrols yes snitch patrols uh i i just thought that was pretty i mean he's he can't like i don't understand how anybody could take him seriously when he's talking about this like have you ever met a 15 16 year old do you think you trust them to serve a warrant right i mean listen ultimately that can be pretty dangerous not something you would have someone who can't drive do i feel that now on the other hand

there are a lot of opportunities for uh ambush warrant issues if it's children that you're working you're not expecting children to serve you a warrant right so you go out you're like oh i'm going to enjoy this pretzel and a little 15 year old walks up to you and he's like excuse me sir do you know which way the the the most store is for coals i need to buy a new t-shirt you've been served that's the way you do it i think if you're talking about like a summons to appear or something like that or a lawsuit that that like anybody could deliver that that anyone could serve that but if you're talking about like violent criminals or like i like to think fugitive apprehension like that implies somebody who's on the run yeah yeah i may be you don't want to ambush that kind of

person if you're a child all right we're gonna take this 15 year old to to venezuela to catch the top nine most wanted fbi criminal because otherwise he won't graduate in order to get into college you need extracurriculars and some people can do debate club some people might get into sports but you know if you can't make the team maybe you gotta be dog the bounty hunter maybe you maybe your bounty hunt for a little while i i like cowboy bebop why not so dumb so dumb but great i love it yeah that's pretty great so one of the things you need to understand is that your mind has a lock on it and there's a key and it's in the shape of alex unlocking mines one mind at a time go to info wars.com or prismplanet.com to order or to get my book or paul watson's book uh ordered

out of chaos or the new video by eric hoofschmidt painful questions about 9 11 this is important stuff the best stuff i found out there that i've seen that i've read yeah the best stuff that he's found and uh just you know a note eric hoofschmidt's the anti-semitic techno artist who is concerned about underwear and uh your balls so the best stuff that's that's what alex is selling he's pushing that pretty pretty hard he's making money for uh hoofschmidt this pair of underwear is really really uh good at supporting lefty but i'm telling you the right side disaster you're concerned you're concerned with the left right ball paradigm i am because i know what's above the left right ball pair this show might not work if i take off syrup if i'm on date will this show

not work yes we're a little bit giddy um perhaps but we have to enjoy a little bit of a little bit of fun uh because ultimately i understand what's coming and i know that this next clip is uh a bit a bit of a shocker oh no um and so mic down for this jordan this is uh this is another call that alex gets that uh blew me away well you don't want to call the clan the invisible empire why is that because you don't never see the ones that count like me and the rest of the guys around here so you're in the Ku Klux Klan well i mean nobody knows it but me and uh the neighbor and you think that uh that the Ku Klux Klan is going to stop the government well it stopped here the thing is about to see everybody

is belongs to the clan as soon as they challenge their righteous indignation they get up on their horse and they ride and that's what's going to happen okay thanks thanks for the call jacob i'm um um i'm not against black people or hispanics or any other race i am disgusted by the black panthers that's uh the new leader khalid Muhammad who says kill all white people and and i've got him on video folks in a debate with anthony hillard saying we want to kill every white child every white woman i've got him on video marching in houston saying the same thing with with loaded shotguns which is their right to do they guarantee to rest a bunch of white people doing that but uh and then and then whites see the racist blacks and then they go join the race groups

and then and then and the mexicans and hispanics see the racist whites and they go and join the racist mecha and la raza and this is exactly what the government wants normally uh i think i would hear someone call into the show and claim to be in the clan and i wouldn't really believe it in this case i buy it 100 percent totally that guy is in the fucking clan that is a clansman if there's ever been one he sounds pretty sincere and he sounds old enough uh to own a hood you know like he's his he's got 30 copies of birth of a nation that he hands out on christmas he sounded pretty cryptic too like which i feel it lends to his credibility well he opened with a riddle that's what i'm saying the clan loves riddles that's what white that's everybody knows that

now the reason this clip is important is that it really has echoes of how alex dealt with ye and nick in the present day he has a caller who's admitted to being a proud clan member which is something alex is supposedly against in the same way he's supposedly against hitler and the nazis these days and yet somehow alex can't manage to make a clear emphatic statement in opposition to these groups with ye and nick he can't rebuke the nazi and hitler's shit choosing instead to pretend that the adl is worse than nick because of fake stories that he repeats over and over about how they think white people are inherently evil the only way to give voice to criticism of ye and nick's nazi ideas is to condemn them along with the adl and be very insistent that the adl is worse

and here alex can't just tell this caller that the clan is bad and he shouldn't be a member of it instead he rattles off a bizarre rationalization for why he assumes this guy joined the clan which i don't think is too far off from what folks in the clan might say they also love to pretend that their racism is justified by imagining it only exists as a defense against other people being racist against them this is alex giving the appearance of pushing back against this guy who's literally in the clan while actually making excuses for him and making the act of joining a hate group a possibly unwise but morally neutral decision this is because alex doesn't actually think being a member of a group is a bad thing he can't even get through this

response to the caller without speculating how white people would be arrested for open carrying while black people get away with it essentially justifying and signing off on the feelings of racial agreement that drive a lot of people toward these racist groups here's an important thing to understand even if a listener or this caller were to accept alex's framing of things and concede it all there's still no reason not to be a member of the clan if and only if we're able to defeat the globalists then these racist groups will stop being played against each other but until that happens and even they understand that that's never going to happen then these other racist groups will still exist the clan members and nazis believe that they are defensive organizations

so if those other groups still exist their rationale for their racism remains entirely intact i understand that alex doesn't show up to the studio knowing that like he's going to be on the phone with a clan member but he definitely should have known it was a distinct possibility like he knows who his audience is and the fact that he doesn't have any stronger condemnation for the clan than this is damning it's shockingly bad yeah i mean it it's it's it should be more complicated and yet somehow it's very simple you know like if somebody calls and tells you that they are a clans member and then you go well yeah of course you are but it's not your fault it's because black people are racist you're a bad person like it's it's not what you would expect if

you actually oppose the clan hey listen i get it you're a clan member obviously black people are racist that's why the clan was invented before black people were allowed to vote and every all the oh my god no actually they're the horrible oh no oh see that can't happen yeah that can happen it's very strange and so yeah the thing about the clan is that the black panther party wants to kill all white people i'm sorry what now yeah that's my real problem with it yeah yeah yeah huh so alex tries to follow this up by condemning the clan um but a little late quite late um but one of the things that he seems to want to do is discuss it only in terms that have nothing to do with race my dad said yeah i would my mother be a substitute teacher

you know she'd work during the summer she my grandmother was a school teacher she'd go do teaching for summer school and he'd have to hang around with her walk down to the pool and kids would come over to him and go you yanky get out of here and of course my family had spanish land grants from 1830 uh but uh that's my experience with the kuklux clan is that it's basically used to harass anybody in business they don't like somebody from the next county or next town over they don't like good uh and and i had family in reconstruction who had their hotel and tig turned uh burned down and on the gravestones it says murdered killed by uh northern soldiers but again you've got a lot of people there who i would later ask around

who aren't even from tig texas but they come in they show up they start the clan uh they run around and use it for their own political control so that's my experience my only experience with the kuklux clan yeah that's uh a little bit weird so yeah it's just it's just a group that harasses business owners that they don't like trying to get the northerners out of tig texas my main problem with the clan is they inconvenience a lot of people that's an in general fashion no one in specific and i mean they don't solve problems it's just a big problem you know it's just just no group in particular for the clan mm-hmm yeah the clan it's mostly just like a the shake down operation of businesses sure hey come on come on sure they started as one thing but you know like

vw made engines for the nazis you know we can change to better people yikes so um alex goes to commercial uh get that uh gonna get a little bit of a a break after talking to a clan yeah yeah regroup and uh i heard this commercial i just thought it was like i'm gonna just play a couple seconds of it i thought this was like really fucking dumb hey folks alex jones here and i'm very excited to announce the release of my bombshell documentary film 911 the road to tyranny on dvd that's right folks dvd that's right folks dvd it's so crass to me to hear like a 911 conspiracy documentary being sold with that like morning radio voice i know that is coming up this sunday wait i'm sorry let me tell you about building seven coming up right after the break if i

understand correctly your documentary is proving that the united states government did a false flag onto its own country in order to start a war and the way you're selling it is with this boy yeah it's uh it's a little it makes me it feels unserious it feels maybe it undercuts the level of a gravitas that your documentary might deserve now another point that i'd like to bring up here is that we've heard alex claimed that he was the number one voiceover guy in the world and criticizing obama was like oh no you can't get any jobs because like if that's what he's bringing to the table i don't i don't think he has a place uh in the market i don't think that's good voiceover work i mean he's not going to be on a geico commercial anytime soon with that kind

of stuff he's not going to get his own recurring character there you know though they do have those geico commercials that are like washed up celebrities who are like in like in weird circumstances so give it 10 years he might show up on a geico commercial then hey he might reboot into the the new caveman geico show starring nick krull and then subtly try to sell his caveman bone broth uh like it like going going into business for himself during the middle of the synergy that's synergy yeah yeah two birds with one stone yeah brilliant so alex gets a call from a mason um a lot of folks in groups call what are we what are we doing what are we doing did everybody join a group in 2003 that i didn't know about it was it was a group heavy time um and so this guy

says that he's a master mason and alex believes that that means that he's a 33rd degree uh mason and so alex is uh talking talking about uh hey man tell me he just builds thing tell me he's just a person who builds houses you're not far off but before we get to the reveal uh the prestige alex has to talk about like stuff about how masons get away with murder of course and over in england there's been a lot of mainstream news articles about how you can't get a consulting job you can't get a big government job you can't get found not guilty unless you're a mason or unless you're a mason and they found out that they're all scratching each other's backs it's like italian mafia or something uh or it's it's kind of a wasp mob you could say and they team up with other

masons around the world it's a global thing uh my uncle told my father the story of when he was running bars during prohibition in houston some guys tried to rob him he killed two of them walked in slash the mason and distress sign at the judge instantly faced dismissed so it's also basically a lot to kill yeah you got the mason and distress sign double cane two okay it's just always works so alex is is going off on these like this grand mason stuff because of course he thinks he's got like a high level mason on the phone and they're going to be able to commiserate but also the guy is saying uh in addition to being a mason he's saying that like he started listening to alex's show and it started to wake him up and he's thinking maybe he's involved in an evil organization

so alex is going to try and lay this track that this guy is then going to be able to sign off on as a high level mason unfortunately he's not number one eric you say you're practicing uh master mason is anything i've said been inaccurate and then you say you're beginning to wake up to this and have questions uh you have the floor go ahead oh thanks alex um when i said master mason i was talking about blue lodge i had you know since the third degree master mason degree i have not gone into the higher levels up to the 32nd although i had many offers i i was briefly involved with the grotto i had offers to go into the eastern star which uh is primarily the sort of the women's arm of the masons um i was offered to go into scott's right scott's right york right and and

various other things but you know there's sort of a a little voice gnawing at me uh and i'm asking myself okay eric have you sort of been a useful idiot here in the trenches of this giant fraternity you know i asked myself this question have i sort of been a useful idiot you know practicing the tenants i mean the tenants that are preached in my lodge seem to be wonderful tenants but is it is it a veneer for something that's far deeper and far more dark well yeah i mean if you haven't even gotten into the scottish right and if you haven't gotten up into the higher degrees by the way there's 360 degrees really yeah and uh humans can't go over about 76 duh yeah that's the human level principality sitting at the other points of the compass with

lucifer at 360 there's a zazel's principality yeah so alex realizes this guy isn't uh very deep into the mason's and decides like i would blow his mind there's 360 degrees no man you just hang out with your buds you're a level dude i could make up whatever i want i know right that's the fun thing about him only being level three is like he doesn't know and he already believes it could it could be anything yeah and he's already suspicious of it and like coming around to thinking like hey maybe alex is on to something oh hey guess what level 77 that's where the demons start here's the problem here's the problem yep what organization invets 360 degrees for anything that's too many degrees it's way too many if you're if you're gonna complain about a generation

growing up with too many participation trophies if the masons give out a degree for everything you do oh this guy poured me a drink he's 38th degree now well and and you've got to think like imagine the bureaucracy like imagine the micro management and like this every if you have 360 degrees that you have to and like a good 290 of them are not for humans complete demons complete demons right what are they up to are they the ones deciding if you get that this org chart is a mess but yeah i would i would mess with it this raises a few important questions and that is do the demons start at level 77 or do they have to be like level one two three so so if you recruit a demon to the masons right right right right right if you're level one human

are you in the same level one class as maybe a couple of demons in there you know like you've got six humans and then there's two or three demons right with you or you'd be jealous because you're like oh those motherfuckers can get past 77 i've got to stop yeah yeah that's unfair is the right from going level 60 76 to 77 murder you have to kill yourself do you become a demon right is it yeah yeah transformative right into the 77th degree that's a good these questions are unanswered because alex is making this shit up that could be one reason that could be one reason i do love it when alex is like i'm going to get back up from this guy i got a caller on the line it's going to be great and then he realizes i can just make up whatever i want this person they don't know

shit there there is a moment of freedom there though there is a moment of freedom that i i did definitely hear whatever the guy was like oh i'm only a third degree and i was offered the other thing alex was chomping just like oh i could say anything right now it's a sort of freedom mixed with disappointment because like if the guy was you know somewhere in higher levels or was willing to pretend to be and he was going to sign off on alex's like yeah you can just say indistress or whatever that would give him so much like credibility to this bullshit yeah oh man imagine if it was imagine if the tables were turned and this guy was like no no no i'm at the 77th level here's the problem humans can't get past that that would that would freak alex out beyond

all reason well i'm gonna guess at that point he would shift the story somehow naturally demons can't use phones i cannot as a rule though i cannot do that voice right now that is a disaster oh you're under the weather we got it we got it somebody on the injured report he's questionable for today so um alex gets another caller and this guy has an interesting question about planet x let's go ahead and talk to brock in british columbia uh go ahead sir you're on the air you got to talk to you brock i wanted to ask you about uh planet x and uh is it for real what is it and i also wanted to ask uh the nutshell if you could who killed john f kennedy okay brock want to answer those questions

thanks for the call two big ones two big ones two big ones at the same time yeah that's ambitious hey what about this uh other planet that's secretly there and uh while you're at it jfk well i'm not shell it for me i mean i if i've got the chance i'm just maybe you don't answer maybe you do but while i'm here i might as well throw the question out there asking alex about jfk who did it that's an impulse impulse buy it's like picking up some gum yeah so here's alex's take on planet x if you've been listening to the show for a long period of time you know that i said three years ago four years ago that planet x was a complete fraud i mean when it comes from zakariah sitchin the little new age propaganda is funded by the rockefeller brothers foundation and he goes and

interprets the somerian texts and it's been proven that he interpreted them wrong and there's this tenth planet that's really didn't speak somerian which was an issue every you know 3600 years and kill us cause earthquakes and titanic floods and all the rest of this and everybody got on the air not everybody but a lot of people and picked up on this and said oh it's the end of the world it's gonna hit us supposed to kill us last summer and then strangely i know what you didn't do last summer closer to the earth and it had been in hundreds of thousands of years and uh... if i could get half as close as it uh... then from what normally is it it it covered half the desert which wayaround no no no no no no

what round the earth stop and uh... a lot of researchers like Tex Mars and others had looked at this and said that the planet x phenomenon is is a coming of the occult and so this was all a double meaning for the occultist in high places yeah so you understand right i can't i can't follow that whatsoever one it's a hoax and two it's also closer than they expected it to be it's both of those things well but it's not the tenth planet it's mars or something and it's really a metaphor for the occult rising uh... also marz apparently an astrologist uh... along with uh... his uh... anti-semitic uh... religious christian identity preaching and seem he seems to know everything about everything which is a hallmark of a cool person his name

is tex mars so i think he does know everything about both technology and mars that makes perfect sense to me well it's tx uh... t-e-x-e and m-a-r-r-s so well that's clearly to throw us off the trail probably probably um so yeah the planet x was bullshit that was made up by zechariah sitchin by uh... because he was funded by the rockefellers which is not i mean alex is gonna need to substantiate that somehow somehow but he's been writing about this shit since 1976 like i think that's when the twelfth planet first came out the his book that began that series um and that was based on like eric von danikin shit so like right you know the chariots of the gods is is intermixed in with this and that was like in the sixties yeah i don't know i don't know

how all of that is supposed to be like a uh predictor of the rise of the occult in 2003 that didn't seem to do anything i think i think what it is is the ambition of naming your book the twelfth planet because that skips over both the tenth and the eleventh like we're just assuming already that you know about those two secret planets right like that's what sticks with you a guy with with i mean ambition bigger than the stars if you will yeah i mean i i i'm not proud to admit this i have read the twelfth planet yeah um i i i over the tenth and eleventh planets does he explain i wish i remembered it is not something that has stuck out in my mind as like a i know i think tiamat tiamat is one of them i think always bad when you name something tiamat

that's that's a sign that you're not really paying that much attention i'm trying to look this up here see what the uh they can give me a breakdown of what these planets are well there's like okay so like there's an aburu right and then it like hit tiamat and then tiamat broke i don't fucking remember who knows i'm just worried about how the acronym is going to work or the the mnemonic device you know like my very earthly mother and then i don't know what happens after pluto you know it could be anything back there sure or you might have to interject it into the uh because it might be closer at times oh here's another thing in the meantime since he wrote that book pluto no longer a planet true so now it's the eleventh planet unless he's also found

another one who i haven't considered that you never know um so yeah alex uh was was cool like he knew that this was bullshit he wasn't going in with the end of the world claims or anything i predicted three four years ago that when it didn't hit us uh the scammers would then say or the useful idiots would then say oh planet x was on the gregorian calendar uh was all three years so that calendar coming in three years now and a slight clockwork they said oh it's the gregorian calendar we were wrong uh now it's going to be coming in two years three years from now so they can keep selling their books and videos and that is exactly what they did it wasn't a hard guess uh these scam preachers that say the end of the world is next year give me all your money

uh every time the end of the world didn't come you know in 1987 or whatever like they'd said uh they would then say oh it's the gregorian calendar it's in three years and then start the whole process over again see that that was easy for alex to call out because that's what he does too i was going to say like oh it's it's almost like somebody predicting a financial collapse or perhaps a summer of rage every single year or month right we just had our calculations a little bit oh the fed did something to stop the summer of rage from happening but you still should buy all our gold and stuff or we're about to lose all diesel fuel in the united states like two weeks ago we dude we're on three weeks with no diesel we're just gonna say yeah it's been a while since we've

lost all of the diesel fuel and all the trucks have fallen apart um but even like take the other stuff like the the globalists are about to make their move they've made their move you know like the fema camps are coming it's it's right around the he does this all the fucking time and his audience just has i don't know why but unlimited tolerance for just being like oh yeah you managed to stop it or something i find it disrespectful to point out the scam you're doing and blame other people in the same way that all psychics and mediums are always like listen i get it you think that psychics and mediums are bullshit because the other ones are but i'm the real one you know that kind of thing where it's like if everybody else is bullshit so are you well it's a little bit

disrespectful but on another level it also kind of seems to indicate a little bit that maybe alex's perception of himself is that he is not that which is possible if that's the case that is a bummer but yeah could be so we have one last clip here and it's alex responding to this guy's second question which is the jfk question of course and this kind of bum me out because i know in our last 2003 episode we we had a little conversation about the admitted widow the ladybird johnson ladybird ladybird johnson admitted widow admitted uh it's a alex actually he moves the goal posts a little bit here on this episode uh the large banks that own the military industrial complex ordered uh texas uh hit men and others under cia control and we've had the witnesses and the people

that were there and lbj's lawyer and his mistress on the show and it's all admitted now that they did the planning and execution uh but the big bankers pulled the lever uh ordered the hit because he kennedy wanted to get us out of the federal reserve he wanted to stop letting corporations be international and leave the like smidley butler is involved in this or tariffs on trade he was getting us out of vietnam he got taxes by 50 percent uh they were not happy with him he was sorry what did he say uh let's talk to uh don in north carolina that's quite a quite a number of reasons apparently why jfk was killed by the bankers yeah i've said it before it's shocking that more people didn't kill jfk considering there were so many reasons to do it was like

murder on the orient express it was like everybody had a reason yeah faro could have gotten to the bottom of this so just like that we go from an admitted widow to lbj's mistress seems like alex doesn't really sweat the small stuff like talking accurately and saying true things details are tough alex is referring to madeline brown a woman who has been widely discredited by people who have looked into her claims she alleged that she was at a party in dallas the night before the assassination with folks including but not limited to lbj nixon and j edger hoover but concrete evidence puts all of these people except nixon outside of dallas that entire night they could not have been there and nixon's uh whereabouts were accounted for in dallas i was gonna say if you've got those guys

in the same room in dallas that's the room i'm assassinating the president's room the meeting is essentially impossible to have happened which is where the threat to kill jfk was said to have happened and you can kind of see how this pokes a gigantic hole in her story because it's impossible if one then the other that's how that statement works subsequent investigation of her past has shown that she's a bit of a fraud person having been convicted of forging the will of an elderly relative in 1988 who had recently died she's kind of like a jfk era larry nickle's type so it makes sense that she and alex would get together and stir up some bullshit uh together but that's the admitted widow that sucks i guess it would suck more if

like lady bird had been on info wars yeah yeah that would be surreal that would be an unusual then we'd be in nelson we'd be in mandela effect territory if lady bird was was actually there she was an info warrior this was the one thing that sneaked through to the other side this one sign that things have changed i would imagine i would imagine if lady bird had been on alex would not stop talking about it even to the present so that should have been a clue for us that that was that did not happen you're right you're right that one that one does make sense god what would that be like if a sitting like even i mean even if i could run wouldn't show up no no it wouldn't have been a sitting i'm just i'm just in my head i'm thinking like

what's what vice president or no like what first lady going on what show would be as insane as lady bird showing up man to reagan info wars no hillary she hurt nancy reagan showing up anywhere would be fine that lady was nuts come on hillary baby ah tipper tipper tipper going on uh uh what aard stern tipper going on stern might be as crazy as that uh if the if uh uncle luke luke skywalker from two live crew had a podcast a tipper core showed up on it i would one listen to the hell out of that and two yes i would lose my shit um yeah that would be uh uh luke skywalker well he can't call himself that anymore he got sued yeah well on account of there's a very famous name yeah trademark um so yeah we come to the end of this 2003 episode and a lot of calls

some shady shit clan member goes essentially unrebuke uh caller believes the chuck norris can't talk about the baby jesus because of the jewish influence in the media here's my here's my feeling on how the calls went on that once the guy opened with chuck norris can't say things because of the jewish media the clan guy was like well obviously i'm gonna call later and then once the clan guy called the mason guy was like well the masons have to be representative that clan's gonna show up on this thing right right i think it's a it's a regular old cascade of cause and effect it's a domino of uh group members needing representation yes and you know i i'm just sad that he didn't have a fourth hour back at this point because that was when the illuminati would

have called in um and then a globalist um and then a 233rd degree mason demon i mean uh maybe maybe just the the daughters of the american revolution would have been a good way to go next you know ease into the next one before you get to the illuminati no we got to go with like the the uh the what was that the council of 12 the bill gates is a member of maybe the council of 12 that's right until he was a middle man um yeah you know we gotta go we gotta we gotta escalate this hard that's fair point we have to go to like super elite organizations that maybe don't exist and are very mysterious here's the ultimate terror i have with your witchcraft uh is that based upon the level of magic that you have displayed so far i'm terrified that you're gonna alter the

universe in such a way that the next 2003 episode we did he has a literal interview with the devil like uh well surprise he's been bitching about this guy in the present guess who shows up in the past or the devil calls in um yeah there's a first time caller big fan i got this disease coming up in 20 years and i got you are the spokesman for it my friend a alex i saw you a pohemian grove man why didn't you say hi i was wearing the owl costume dude i was wearing the owl costume come on man uh well let's hope it doesn't come to that but yes it does i'll be prepared um so anyway uh we come to the end of this but uh we'll be back uh with another episode shortly but until then we have a website indeed we do it's knowledge fight dot com yep world's on twitter we are on

twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight uh we'll be back but until then i'm neil i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am the uh the vice count of day quill what bike out andy and chan's us you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you