Knowledge Fight - #760: December 9-10, 2003

Episode Date: December 28, 2022

Today, Dan and Jordan ease back into the groove by checking out what Alex was up to at the end of 2003. In this installment, Alex warns of drug dogs trained in Eastern Europe, discusses alleged plans to blame Cuba for a space false flag in 1962, and takes calls from antisemitic callers from multiple countries. Citations

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Then enjoy knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas. You're on the earth. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a Christian color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship with the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed. We are Dan Jordan Jordan. Quick question for you buddy. What's up. What's your bright spot today. My bright spot today Jordan is well I guess I have you

know I for the last year or so I have wanted a PlayStation five. Yeah. And I mean first of all that's that's an expense. Yeah. But then second of all you couldn't spend the money because no one had any of them as they were impossible to find mind boggling before the Christmas this year for the holiday. I was able to find one and I decided to get myself a little bit of a Christmas present. And yeah I got to PS five and I've been messing around with a couple of games. Yeah. Having a decent time. Yeah. I'm enjoying some Arkham Knights. I saw because you you had told me that you got it. You told me you got it and you said it was fantastic. It's pretty good. I had no idea what it actually was. The PlayStation five. No I've seen the PlayStation five. It's a game system. No I

saw I saw a thing on TV about it about Arkham Knights. Yeah because I don't have TV or anything. Sure. When I was over with my family for Christmas they had commercials and stuff. Yeah. It's Batman. Yeah. And I was like oh look at that. It's a Batman game but spoiler alert Batman dies in the first minute of the game. Oh yeah but it's it's I mean look I don't know I guess I've heard that I don't know this to be true because I don't pay a whole lot of attention but I understand there's some backlash about there not being Batman in it. It's probably based in sexism. Yeah. Batgirl is one of the playable characters. Sure. But I've enjoyed it so far. I look it plays exactly essentially exactly like any of those old right Batman Arkham games. Right. Right. That's all you really want. I

mean honestly deep down it's just a bunch of ones and zeros. There are no men or women inside the video game at all. It's true. And then like I started playing it. I was like man I miss the Riddler trophies. That was fun. You just wander around to get riddler trophies and then as the game as I played like maybe an hour into it like riddler trophy. No I was like man I'm so glad there aren't any riddler trophies that bummed me out. There are too many of them. They are all over the fucking city. It's like I'm never going to get all eight hundred of these or whatever the that's too many. Anyway it's fun. Good. What's your bright spot. Oh my bright spot. Dan is we're back doing this. It's my bright spot. You know you've been you've been ill for a week or so. I've

been concerned about sure. Sure. I insisted on only communicating by a Morbius pictures. Including four different Morbius cards. Yeah. I understand I'm a bit of an annoying worrier. So yes. Morbius was a great way to communicate. Well I mean first of all I appreciate your concern and the nice messages that folks sent to get well soon and such. Yeah. But for whatever it's worth you were not overly worrisome. Well that's nice of you. And I appreciate your offer to help out and whatever. But like you know we got go puff now. That's all we got. You know if you did some Nyquil. That's amazing. Yeah. That is one of the few things that it does make me feel like we're living in the future. I don't think I've been sick since there have been

service like that. Yeah. Yeah. It was so weird to have in my mind like I need aspirin or whatever I need Tylenol or right but I can't get down the street to the CVS right or whatever. Right. But oh not a problem. Amazing. It's really really spoiled. You know I know it's it's it's it makes me feel somewhat older I suppose or something but just like the absolute amazement. Are you telling me that aspirin can be delivered to my door. Right. No. It seems like it's not that complicated of a problem. Right. That we took a while to solve. Right. I guess. Right. Right. But yeah I don't know what exactly we got some sort of a cold or something. I'm not sure. I tested for covid and I was negative so works for me doesn't seem like that was the case but yeah I'm feeling much better.

You know well I'm glad to hear it. Yeah it's tough to tough to take time off. But first of all because it's fun. I enjoyed doing the show. I'm just talking about this dumb asshole. It's weird. But also you know it's a compulsion to work. I huge you really do. And I may have been working on some side things while we were. You may have been working on some side things before we started talking. Yeah. I just not I still have a lot of buttons I need to send out but I was not doing that while I was sick. Abundance of caution. There's some other other side side stuff. Did you breathe into any bubble wrap and send it to China to teach them a lesson about. It's morning in China. Get up. All right. OK. So Jordan. We have an episode to do today. Getting back on our

course that we're going to ride in on. Fuck this horse. So I decided a little something and that was that I don't want to do a present day episode. So we're going to be talking about another 2003 episode about December 9th and 10th 2003. Here's some of my reasoning on it. OK. Holiday content is a little bit all over the place for Alex. True. And then here was what I saw this and I was like go fuck yourself. He had a video up on band video and the title of it was how one man changed the world and you can too. I'm like oh it's going to be about Jesus. Yeah. Of course it's Christmas time. Is it going to be about reset wars. It's about Alex. Of course it's about Alex. Yeah one man changed the world. You can't do. I was like this is not the time for this. The season where maybe

you should you know if you're is this big big religious outfit as you say maybe people as a theologian spiritual leader. Many would say and devout Christian. I think Alex knows on Christmas Day more than any other day. It should be about Alex. Yeah. I will say I didn't actually watch that video. So maybe it is all about Jesus. But the thumbnail of it is a hundred different pictures of Alex from various points in his career. So it's probably it could be. Yeah. Could be about Alex's Jesus. That was like all right buddy. Yeah. You have fun. Unless you're throwing a hatchet get the fuck out of here. Yeah. And so I was just thinking about the year that has been. Yeah. And for us it's been really interesting. Certainly there have been developments. A lot of things about

Alex's court cases have touched us a little more closely than would be expected. True. But I don't want to dwell on that. I wanted to think about all of the dangling threads we have. So this is just what I came up off the top of my head. OK. What else have we got. Diesel. Oh yeah. Still out. Monkey Pox still going. That thread has been dropped entirely. Alex is not reported on the almost zero case. It's now in the United States. Oh no. Nancy Pelosi's husband's attack being faked. That didn't happen. I don't know what's happening with that. It seems to have dropped that storyline. Sure. Nuclear war was supposed to have broken out by now. Yeah. The invasion of Ukraine was only going to last a couple days. That was going to be short. So we have both nuclear war starting and Zelensky was on

Putin's payroll. Right. All that. This is not. Not yet come to fruition. The dollar was supposed to collapse. We have no update on that. All the food plants were under attack. That's right. I forgot about the food was all under attack. Yeah. The man all of these things were supposed to make us scared this year. And that you know I think I think it did work out but it's just wasting everybody's time wasting his listeners time with nonsense to try and get them scared about stuff. It does feel like there should be a year and wrap up like like whatever like the A.V. club or like top 50 things of this year. And if you really go through and like list the amount of things that Alex wanted or thought should have happened you're like that would be a busy year. That would be a busy fucking

year. I mean it would be a disaster movie. It would be a horror film. Stop. If just like you know like let's let's look at it as like a reverse liar liar where instead of Jim Carrey not being able to lie it's everything Alex says is spoken into. It's true. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a it's like a Twilight Zone Agatha Christie novel kind of thing. Yeah. I got you. It's a classic knives out mystery. Yes. Yes. Apparently also people are mad about. Are they mad about that. I don't know. I'm done with back lashes to anything. I don't give a shit. I have not seen this film. It's great. But I've heard. I don't know. I've seen some tweets. It's really good. Anyway instead of dwelling on these dangling threads and like how Alex is probably not going to you know spend the end of the year

cleaning up his mess mostly explaining like well I got this one wrong. Right. This one wrong. Oh that would be great. Wow I was way off. Every year you should have if you work at Info Wars you should have a roast every year at the end of the year at the big old holiday party you sit up at the dais and everybody just kind of makes fun of all the shit you made up. Yeah. That would be great. That'd be the most fun. Sure. Yeah. I will come as a diesel tank. Because I'm picturing this as a roast like a Friars Club roast. Right. But each person on the dais is one of the things Alex lied about and they all wrote. Okay. All right. So they're the concept of the thing. Yes. Roasting. So as somebody dressed as a nuclear bomb would walk up and be like hey Alex I bet

you thought I was going to drop. Well here's a new bomb dropping on you. I didn't. I got something along those lines. You could you could be a like a food plant on fire. Yeah. That'd be fun. Anyway we're going to be in the past just because I wanted to you know ease our way back into the waters of doing the show and I didn't really feel like watching him naval gaze. So here we go. We're going to get down to business but before we do let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. That's a great idea. So first Vexcess. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. It's like excess but vexing. Next I'm the only non-Republican in my company of 120 employees which includes info warriors, Q followers and

three percenters and your podcast is what gets me through the day. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next I'm cranky and winky is my chosen mount. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. This is a Donkey Kong thing. Oh okay. Cranky and winky is the frog. Yeah something like that. Anyway next Dan listening to old episodes and it's my favorite thing when you say Bezelbub Beelzebub. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Do I say that funny Beelzebub? Bezelbub. I don't say Bezelbub. I think maybe it may be going way back to like when we were in your old room that whole thing. I think more often I would say old scratch. Yeah

something along those lines. That's fun. That's more fun. And foundation to donate the info wars desk to the Knowledge Fight Studio. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. I'd love to but Bill's already got a client. All right. We've got a couple technocrats in the mix here too. So I'd like to say thank you to Jackie in Arkansas. You are now a technocrat. And if everyone is an alpha then no one is an alpha. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. And catching up with your backlog and Dan you busted my brain. Also it's probably by birthday by now. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually.

I'm just going to take a little break now. A little break for me. And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over. But I'm the devil. I got to be taken out of here. Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you but at the end of the day fuck you in your new world order and fuck the horse you rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow.

He's not even better in the past. He's not great in the past. I like I like that. I like the adding. It's probably my birthday by that. I think every every shout out should now have that. It's probably my birthday or it was probably my anniversary or just just put it in there because we'll celebrate it and we'll celebrate it with you. Yeah for sure. Yeah. You know birthdays are just I mean a celebration of you and a life and what have you totally do that any day. Yeah. It's your birthday. Absolutely. That's the way to do it. It's like 50 cent. It's a birthday. Don't show it to the beginning of the club. No. I understand that. I understand that. Is that your 50. Yeah. People said they look here and we

sing. That was a that was karaoke for the day. Sounded like you were saying Beelzebub. Bezel. So Jordan we're going to start here on the ninth. Yeah. And when I play you this clip you may come around to the idea that my witchcraftery knows no bounds. There is so much news so much information today that we're going to cover and I'm going to cover all of it. If SARS hits U.S. quarantine could to the New York Times any excuse to get martial law rolling in our lives. Varix blast injures 41 U.S. troops. Yep. So Alex is gearing up to make people afraid. SARS quarantines. Oh man. Are going to be coming to to the U.S. The thing about COVID the thing about COVID that really gets into my head now is when you look back

at all these all the previous possible pandemics you know yeah like they warned about global pandemics people said this could become a global pandemic and it seems like they did a good job. Do we have to like reevaluate. I feel like we should go back and reevaluate the quality of previous pandemic responses and be like holy shit these guys were unbelievably great because what happened with COVID is clearly these guys were the fucking worst. Well I think I think yes definitely there should be a certain amount of that yeah but then I think you know it can be difficult because they are different sure agents sure they're different viruses like yeah it's hard to compare one to one and also some some of it unfortunately I think also does come down to

luck true and some things that are slightly outside of your control or require like complex cooperation that sometimes you can't rely on other people to true true but but yeah I do think that there are probably lessons of the past and you know other coronavirus outbreaks that seems like what happened then and didn't happen now or vice versa maybe yeah draw some you know I'm not it's not I'm just saying bandied about in the office well I know one distinct difference that is that Alex wasn't a millionaire in the 2002-2003 SARS outbreak that's that's our new conspiracy theory if there is a potential disaster happening somebody needs to steal all of Alex's money and make sure he's nowhere near it and then whenever the disaster is averted Alex can

pop back up on air or something like that you know yes yes we will need to keep him poor as a preventative measure against future outbreaks he needs to be quarantined from his money yes and also this is December 2003 this is a bit after SARS had already yeah I mean it was contained in July 2003 that was when it was like all right we got this we had a good handle on this thing right there were like sporadic cases into 2004 but like it's not in December 2003 the speculation of this being something that's going to cause quarantine seriously in the United States yeah is it's a long shot yeah yeah but yeah it's on Alex's mind oh boy here's another thing on his mind and that is that he's about to go to Houston okay mm-hmm what's he doing in Houston well

there is a place there they show movies okay Alamo draft house oh but he's mad because they've got views don't they no this one is apparently pretty cool but also the Austin one is apparently cool because he won't stop talking about how Mel Gibson was just there showing the passion of the price at the Austin one right and apparently he's going to the Houston one and the guy who runs the Houston one comes on the show trying to sell tickets which is like what kind of a I'm sorry what movie theater what kind of a very busy I realize I haven't spelled this out right Alex is doing an event right in this at the Houston draft house uh-huh where he's showing one of his films doing a Q&A and then they're showing they live okay so it's sort of a big event right but none of the

theaters at the Alamo draft house are that big and if they're needing to move tickets by having the manager come on Alex's show that's not good to do a little ps I don't know what's going on here this is this is like the bad version of doing morning radio yeah try and sell tickets to a comedy show yeah absolutely I just I just flew in last night and I still got to get up at 5 30 a.m to do this damn zoo cruise show because the manager just called and said we've only sold eight tickets we need ten tickets all just to do a show man right and it implies one of two things one is like well it's either you got a really bad club or no draw yeah and the draft house is a pretty good pretty good club venue pretty good yeah they live is a good movie I mean I was gonna say Alex is

a bad draw if they had just announced they were doing a night of they live I bet they would have done pretty well for themselves yeah maybe Alex is a negative factor in this it does seem so so anyway he talks a little bit here about his last time doing one of these screenings right now I don't think that'll happen on the second go around and they didn't sell out until 7 p.m 200 people just showed up right when it was about to start thinking that they could get in and to my dismay 200 got turned away I suggest you go to info wars dot com and link through on the website sound true and buy your tickets now or get there at about 5 30 next Saturday don't get there it's a clock now again a lot of folks have already seen it so it won't be as big a crowd probably but still

you need to get there 30 minutes early to get your tickets if you're not buying them online I don't want to discourage you from coming frankly we ended up letting about 30 or 40 more than we should have in and I don't think a bunch of people in for free once it was overflow wait what folding chairs and of course Mel Gibson's dad and a lot of his family and Mel Gibson's sisters and people showed up that was a lot of fun I didn't want to say they were going to be there even though they told me they were going to be there and I don't know if they'll be there this time but really why did you just tell us that great place to meet like minded people just it was amazing it was a lot of fun and a lot of great information it's a great place to meet like minded people like Mel

Gibson's Holocaust yeah I was gonna say yeah yeah Mel Gibson's dad was there so what a meet Holocaust deniers you know where to go what a get what a celebrity appearance at this event man the dad of Mel Gibson yeah oh dude we got Richard Spencer's dad here today selling a fucking cars outside of the BMW so you know Nazi Nazi Nazi dads are doing all right for themselves I should say in the interest of fairness I don't know what Richard Spencer's dad's beliefs are I do know we do know that yes also I don't know if I I mean look I don't know if I buy Alex's story about letting people in free and doubt all this stuff come on doesn't sound like the Alex I know but this sounds really uh low stakes yeah yeah for the Alex that we know in the present day yeah

sounds like somebody who's giving like a family member directions of how to get in free to the show or totally absolutely show up half an hour early you can't show up like right at the doors all right man oh yeah this is this is almost weird to you know obviously people come from somewhere they don't just start where they are but for for for this type of thing to then steamroll into what it became you know I would understand this type of thing if later on he became a slightly more successful version of himself you know instead of well that's what he was until a few years ago well exactly that's what I'm saying you know like that if a while back this would make sense but we live in now where it's like he's turned into a fucking super shredder

after drinking too much ooze and now it's it's all collapsing around him you mispronounced booze well done um but also let's not forget that like on an episode not too long ago he flew to Kansas city to do a local radio uh they get a car dealer you're not wrong so like you're not wrong at this point in the past he is just like it's great he's all over the place here I want to I want to say one thing I think some people have a little bit less excitement about the past episodes as opposed to the present because you know the present has a lot of like hot topics and things that are in the news and you know getting alex's take on it can sometimes you know help understand where a lot of right-wing talking points are sure and I understand that and I don't want to you know

ignore that completely oh of course not but going back to the past has some other side advantages and this they live uh show is kind of touches close to one of them and that is I want to find more movie reviews I want to find more episodes where alex tries to explain exactly what he thinks art is saying I because that to me I recently remembered that we did that episode talking about uh his view of the second matrix movie and like oh yeah that to me I need more of that I need more of like alex saying I believe that this is the message of avatar or whatever being like what yeah him trying to interpret art outside of whenever he's leaving politics and and and really does try and get it to art criticism art for its own sake yeah is one of the windows into a truly

bizarre mind yes yeah yes that is that is what I want to find that's the gold I'm digging for in these hills you're right so anyway we get back to SARS sure and some of this might sound a little familiar all right let's launch straight into the news that I mentioned in the first segment if sars hits us quarantine could too now this is the uh this is the model states held emergency powers act the force inoculation program the cfr was saying that we're going to use smallpox for sure to hit Dallas Cleveland and denver according to cfr head fair monger uh gary heart of the heart rubbin commission he probably seen him on television he said we would be hit last year but 99 plus percent of police firefighters and medical workers refuse to take it so now they've had to move

on to sars which has been looked at very closely is genetically engineered has been altered by humans again i've got voluminous prestigious medical reports on that now they're trying to fair monger with that weapon i will remind you that west nile was given to saddam in 1984 by donald rumsfeld and the commerce department so we have that as well and this is how they're going to get their control oh we're just giving you martial law for your safety general ever heart at north com command in colorado springs is said the former sent com head tommy frank just said why was it the commerce department yeah because it's commerce ah so there's a really interesting dynamic to the game that right wing propagandist shitheads like alex have to engage in that i'd like to call out a little bit here

in order to run their game of constantly making the audience afraid about novel and exciting threats they're required to rewrite their own past ideas for alex to compellingly freak out his listeners about covid being a lab made bio weapon in 2020 it's pretty important for him to not give off the impression that he's just the kind of guy that says that all the time he would lose a lot of his ability to convince them that he's proven that the sky is falling if they were made aware of how many times he'd claimed to have proven that in the past when he was really just making the shit up so in 2020 the 2003 SARS outbreak is real in service of helping alex make the argument that the current one is not if things have gotten out of control in 2003 and the way they did uh in our

present alex would have played a similar anti-vax game as he has recently but it wouldn't have been nearly as impactful given his far smaller influence uh and the dynamics around social media not being there at the time the model state emergency powers act was a piece of draft legislation that was crafted by a georgetown law professor with support from the cdc it was not ever adopted or passed on a federal level though some state governments have passed elements of it for instance in march 2003 arizona passed a bill requiring the department of health services to redact personally and identifying info from health records before they're released publicly though a couple of these state bills do provide a clarification of what law enforcement entities

can do to assist with department of health orders involving coroutines but it's a far cry from anything like martial law or what alex is saying yeah plus this is the state government so states rights or something also alex fails to mention that his mortal enemy the aclu is an entity leading the opposition to the model state emergency powers act due to concerns about vague language that could lead to civil liberty infringement alex just ignores that because it would make it harder for him to paint them as the evil demon globalists to his audience if he acknowledged what they actually do right alex is further mixing up his history uh sedam used chemical weapons on civilians in 1984 but the shipments of west nile were made in 1985 they weren't specifically to sedam and they weren't

made by rumsfeld but they did happen there was an iraqi scientist who had previously been a researcher in fort collins colorado who received shipments of west nile presumably for lab research purposes there is a huge conversation that deserves to be had and has been had but maybe could be had more about the unintended consequences of dual use chemical agents that were sold to iraqi for research purposes before desert storm right but that actual conversation is almost nothing to do with west nile right and alex is all over the place um but to the extent that you know our soldiers did uh end up you know finding these these old uh agents and stuff and and being affected by them yeah uh is un unacceptable yeah no no no i agree i agree i agree um but it makes me wonder like listen to that

makes me wonder how old those conservative bingo cards really are you know like that like are we going to find fossilized records of a dinosaur being like oh they're busing in protester dinosaurs you know like is it's the same shit from the jump well you know you always see um people and i am a little bit worried about this coming out of my mouth now because i've not looked too into it but you know you do see those like political cartoons that are ostensibly from oh yeah yeah 70 years ago and they're like thematically fairly similar to yeah to uh now when there's when there's things that are like kind of mirror totally um and so yeah i think i think some of the bingo cards probably pretty similar yeah because you know it's because it it has to be because the bingo card has

nothing to do with what's being said the bingo card is bad thinking it is how you are thinking poorly in response to an impetus so it's it's like uh it's like any old uh uh logical fallacy the fallacy isn't changing it's the thinking right that's causing it you know and the impetus is largely similar things like uh being surrounded by people who you perceive to not be like you right uh new technology that you find threatening totally those are kind of pretty common or public health crisis is another social cultural changes yeah those are the kinds of impetus for bad thinking yeah and then the bad thinking yeah it's not gonna be that's not gonna change nope from different time periods and uh here you go i mean just this is here we go yeah as the health officer of alameda county

dr anthony eitan is prepared to make top choices of SARS reemerges this winter or spring as many infectious disease experts fear now again it kills about one out of a hundred that get it the flu kills 35 000 but see you're used to it you're not scared of it it's not the unknown so they have to fear monger with this by the way the federal government two years ago you're the one fear monger frozen bodies under the north pole of dead explorers and whalers dug out the super influenza that killed 40 million people uh about 85 years ago you're the one and fear mongering are saying that they are developing it as a weapon so watch this pop up too that is not fear mongering so we've reached the knee jerk talking point of comparing a public health concern

to the flu in order to minimize it there were relatively few deaths from the 2002 outbreak of SARS but a lot of that probably comes down to there being a robust response to it and us getting lucky alex is just a little bit off on that flu story too in 1998 researchers found fragments of the 1918 flu in six unearthed bodies from the norwegian arctic arctic that flu is one that really scares scientists because it wasn't really clear why it was so deadly and how it moved so fast research on that end of things is tough because there aren't exactly a ton of preserved samples of the flu that people can just work with thus the goal was to find some bodies who might have contained the virus but got really deep frozen which led people to the arctic right they tried

the time machine but everybody was trying to kill hitler with it and then it collapsed in on itself after creating a paradox there's a terrible idea so they just went for bodies yeah let's go to the cold make sense so from a new york times article quote in a diary kept by the coal mining company here dr duncan found the names of seven men 18 to 29 years old farmers and fishermen who had just arrived here to earn extra money at winter jobs in the mine but they had contracted a flu on the boat trip from the mainland and died in the first week of october 1918 this is a fascinating story but ultimately they did not find samples that could be used for research since the bodies turned out to have not actually been buried in permafrost as they had expected right if alex was following

this story he probably should have known about this by 2003 but in reality the details of this story aren't useful to him the only part of the story that is any value is the insinuations he can make out of sensational in it and inaccurate versions of the headline right that's why it still lives on in this form it's just ridiculous yeah yeah that's that's a bit different from the the story they found living samples of the flu that killed 40 to 50 million people and they're turning into a weapon that's scary yeah the story of they went looking and didn't find anything less scary less like at the beginning of a godzilla movie when godzilla comes out of the water and starts blowing stuff up you're like wow that's scary but if it was just water you'd be like this is

not a movie at all and then there's like a gecko yeah exactly like that's not a movie this is just vista yeah no i think if i understand correctly from what i was looking at it see the issue was they thought that the people were buried deeper than they were right and so it would have preserved god damn if it was like meters deep right instead it was not even close and so the ground would have thawed and frozen and thawed and frozen therefore there's no right usable samples oh man what a that's a true like national treasure ass moment you know that's nicolas cage being like i figured it out we've come up with this long circuit circuitous route to get these samples because we can't find them any other way we've dug to the fucking norwegian

earth and there's nothing yeah oh also the article that i was reading maybe was a little unfair to the people who buried them uh which they were blaming them which well there were two there were like two speculations one was that like they didn't want to dig all the way down because it was cold out he's lazy past people and but you know you still mark down or whatever but the other the other one was a little bit less um sort of suspicious and that was like they might have been scared of being exposed to it i mean it's the flu that killed 40 or 50 million people i wouldn't want to touch plague bodies makes a little bit more sense and is less like these that's a quick jump these lazy grave diggers won't help us save people from the flu in the future

so alex uh talking about this a little bit ends up mocking something that is in hindsight quite quite a good prediction the authorities could sequester not just people who were sick but also people who might have been exposed to the sars virus dr iton said they will chain you down the noise he said could house up to 100 people the one in austin will house a thousand and could be guarded to keep anyone from leaving oh it's a virtual certainty that sometimes in the near future we will see sars like event the united states a highly communicable infectious disease that will require mass quarantine or isolation dr iton said we'll talk more about this and other key news but this is their blueprint their smoke screen for martial law brace yourselves for

it or dr iton was uh saying something that was you know pretty commonly yeah accepted and known within uh medical and uh you know epidemiological communities yeah the problem with those predictions is that they are true regardless of when or if they come like when they come true is not the important factor it's not like oh he predicted something amazing it's just like no this is an inevitability about life existing with humans there will be another pandemic it's just how it fucking works you don't you can't mock people and be like oh that's a dumb prediction it's not a prediction i'm just telling you math but that's how it works man yeah it's uh it will rain yeah eventually exactly and you can have an umbrella or you run the risk of getting wet how it works

and getting rained on yeah these are the inevitabilities and the options that's the way it goes there are no other ways to go right i understand denying the rain right right um you are still going to get wet though sure yeah um so i i find it to be a little bit rich that alex is kind of being smug about this when the guy was just like totally right of course of course he was so there's some been uh been some bombs uh in russia sure we're not on russia's team though in 2003 no we are not we're not five killed in suicide attack in russia a female suicide bomber detonated explosives in a car near moscow's red square on tuesday killing five people and entering 13 the artar tops news agency reported the plastic place on the capital's main shopping street near the national

hotel ambulances were on their way to get eight victims and people were treated on the spot windows on the first and second floor the hotel were shattered she said russian state television showed footage of broken windows at the of the car alarms could be heard we've caught putin blowing up buildings and bombing stuff and then no body of the suicide bombers found there are real terrorists but the majority of the time it's government putin uses it as a police state crackdown so this one might be real um but yeah alex says never never heard of russia or putin uh doing this kind of thing in the present i mean but in the past he had caught him he caught him and he said he does it all the time like it's a regular like oh man for police state stuff yeah yeah yeah you know you

just gotta do some police stating uh huh you know somebody's like hey i think this is a little too expensive so you pretend that there's a car bomber or something you know uh putin crackdown putin has a habit of terrorizing uh his uh civilians i mean there are real terrorists somewhere but not in russia that's all putin huh anyway that's curious weird so alex takes a number of calls on this episode um and uh this this this caller has i mean this this is bad news i don't know how else to say it um there's there's something that we know and that is that alex's films have a 90 to 95 98 percent effectiveness rate yeah they are super effective yeah they're dangerous they're more transmissible than most diseases yeah yeah um but unfortunately a caller

calls in and says that like uh people aren't enjoying them that much whoa whoa multiple uh alex look if you get three or more of any of the ten titles whether it's 911 road to tyranny masters of terror police state three total enslavement dark secrets inside bohemian grove america destroyed by design they dropped down to twenty dollars a piece they make great gifts and they're waking up roughly 80 percent to 90 percent of those drop it fast the films because lately i've been i've been hearing from a few people that say folks aren't waking up all of them aren't waking up so i think that number's down to about 80 percent right now what the fuck is that mental average of it what are you talking about keeps a mental average what insane

what insane thing is that does it why would you edit it why would you edit it down well you gotta be modest you gotta stay humble but what wait i don't understand how okay so you're at 95 percent i think it's probably because there had been like some despondent-ish calls sure like there had been a couple people within the last week or so on his show who had said like you know people aren't responding to x y or z right and so maybe just in the sake of like let's at least match the energy that the callers are bringing let's not oversell this thing because then it's going to look glaring we're down to 80 i mean i mean if you this is kind of like a negotiation strategy you know you start so

delusional right that somehow the reasonable yeah direction you take it is even more delusional right and 80 is like crazy absurd yeah absurd yeah but i mean if you count politeness and people go great it was great uh then maybe 80 that's just because people are nice i put it down to 20 percent at best at best i mean look how many family members does mel Gibson have that's a good question that could that could sway that does swing that does skew the numbers so alex is down on these tapes man 80 percent 90 percent rough that's that's a big hit when you say 80 percent to 90 percent you're what you mean is 70 yeah and so like look everyone's a little bit sad mm-hmm and that prompts i think a little bit of a conversation about how important and great

alex's tapes are well yes charles go ahead i thank you for what you're doing mr. jones i just like to say for this christmas all the listeners just wake up one person this christmas will double our audience will be stronger we'll have a we'll have a better chance to win this thing i really don't feel mr. jones we got that much longer i really feel well i just read the new york times charles have you seen the takeover yes uh then you saw the local newscast in our own video our own interview out there at the site do they not have porta potties barbed wire fences thousands of cots in places to chain us down that was built in 1999 yeah in the airport to get changed in the floor and all that and now yeah the old airport's a huge camp and now and now uh they're openly in

the new york times telling us oh it's a new development for our safety and they're building these in every town well that's what they probably told the viewers people to get them in a ghetto which is where they say they told them it was to stop infection and for their security and for their safety and then there was of course the delousing that took place uh when they herded them into the boxcars and then on into the chambers but mr. jones if everybody listening to this just one person just one and everybody could do it mr. jones i'll beg them please for our country this would wake up somebody in their family a neighbor just do it we'll be twice as strong we'll have a better chance we don't have that much longer and mr. jones i can't go to let

my wife go to a fina camp maybe be rape or some foreign troop well at that point you know what you got to do bud we're trying to over say but if they want to pull it it's going to happen and i would advise the police and everybody else to stay home and to not try it yes and then please i know you get tired of me talking about the tapes i know you do but if everybody get the tape and get to somebody for christmas it's we we would be twice as strong just one of your tapes any one of them any one of them and and bleed me it'll start the mind rolling you know what i'm talking about it'll start the mind thinking the tapes are the only way i got to fight it's the only way i got to fight and then right now my vcr is giving me trouble i'm kind of shut down but soon i'm gonna i'm gonna

start putting out trying to put out 120 a month now this is so sad wow that's that bums me out so much that is the weirdest creepiest christmas message from louisiana dentures i've ever heard what the fuck was that yeah man please if just if just one of you if just one of you would just give it to you make your name mr jones just give it to your name was your body so anybody you know just teach what each one teach one um my vcr has given me troubles that was that was the saddest thing i think i've ever heard of my entire life my vcr is giving me troubles but the tapes are the only way we can fight i mean god your bleak you're genuinely afraid that your wife is going to be taken to a fema camp and raped by a foreign soldier yeah that's what you think and the solution

is spread alex's tapes around free publicity and marketing for alex what happened in that man's brain alex that poor poor man yeah alex did alex scaring people about a hundred different things so they can't keep track of anything and then selling them the solution but i mean we talk about this a lot the the impotence of alex's just sort of model yeah and and that guy is such a good example of that where it's like the only thing we can do is promote alex's content yeah this is the the end all be all of the fight against the globalists is just being alex's street team yeah yeah i mean the thing is and i this is this is a weird little side thing what's what's strange to me about that is that alex talks almost nonstop about like uh suicide bombers and and all of these things you

know like people who are in an actual fight driven to a point of desperation so serious that the only way they feel like they have to fight back the only thing they have to fight back with is their life and he's telling these people they're in that type of fight and the way they have to fight with everything they've got is by making videotapes right and giving them to people and fixing your vcr yeah man yeah that's how does that not break through your cognitive dissonance i'm not sure it bums me out though it really really really bums me out i'm not um i'm not one of these people who takes like holidays too seriously you know like i think you and i are both kind of like christmas you know raised christian of course but like have kind of a weariness of

christ christmas yeah kind of like yeah whatever it is yeah um but there is something about this guy being like this christmas please make a copy of alex's tape it does touch me it's a terrible it's like the worst miracle on 34th street speech yes you could buy it's like please just believe it's saying it again you like no it is from a bad christmas movie it is it sounds so genuine it sounds so earnest it sounds like this man wants to leave the world a better place knowing that he doesn't have much time left it's fucked but but he's not saying i don't have much time left is it we don't no no i know that the world is gonna end but when when an old man says we don't have much time left it could be dual yeah so anyway that call was a bummer and this call is a little

bit more fun uh jay in colorata jay you're on the air thanks for holding hi alex welcome and i don't like to uh go on too much about the videos and um today has been that way with the call so far but i've had a problem with the delivery of mine and it's not been just two weeks or anything like that and uh like six weeks i ordered a three pack uh with the new one i'm not sure if the new one is holding the delivery up of the other two you know because i know you said no it's been released and what you need to do is you need to call because i'd say about one out of hundred videos we get the wrong address or something that goes on and on you need to call this number right now okay five one two two nine one fifty seven fifty and uh we'll ship it out to you uh is that the is that the office

uh yes machine stuff yes five five one five one two two nine one fifty seven fifty for for anybody that's uh had uh any trouble now what else is on your mind sir well also the um i also ordered the i got the dvd yes and uh i had trouble playing dvd same number same number man like jam enough same number there's one number whenever tom broke out whatever's name comes on the screen there part four well you need to uh you need to call us we'll send you another one i can't get through that all they can do is well sir what happens is if you call 8882533139 that's an operator service and uh they will give you my office number and they will call you back today so and i'll get your phone number sir and i'll 99% of people 99% of people uh i don't have a problem

but but some do and i'm going to put you on hold right now i got the other one in two and a half weeks got the other one in two and a half weeks give me more details do you order via the toll free number that's where all the problems are stemming from and i may drop that service or get a new one because the operators are writing addresses down wrong and they're going to people's neighbors and stuff and it's killing me so that's every let me finish let me finish let me finish i know you don't have your fucking tapes man i get it i'm in the middle of an explanation i know you're going to undercut this let me fucking finish blaming the people at the call center writing down the address i actually checked with the call center and they said that they

had my address right they confirmed it they i actually work at the call center i mean they're really we're good friends with all of those people they're good they're good honest godfairing folk yeah so it is uh it is fun to hear a customer service call it reminds me of tech support with bill cooper love it love it it is something else alex just being annoyed just a guy he's just got to sit there and take it he can't just be like end call he's got to be like oh let me try and help your problem sir i i don't know why you can't just hang up be like this is not this is not an on-air problem i gave you my number to call please call that number please don't continue telling me more things about how poorly my

business is run i know it i think that maybe there's even a vulnerability that alex has at this point in his career of like appearing that he has other people who do things yeah like shipping department and yeah stuff like that like the the he's got to be the one man business yeah that's a whole thing the idea should be that it's like him putting the he's putting stamps on the envelope to you sending out buttons yeah that that's kind of the image yeah and i think maybe uh hanging up on the guy would kind of bust that a little bit yeah well i mean that's a good thing we don't do our call in shows no because then people would call it would be like um i haven't gotten my button yet and we're like yeah you haven't it'll be there

it'll be there i might eventually hang up on people you know no number to call no recourse it will be there so we have one last clip here and it's another caller who has an interesting story to tell about a national monument a couple other little quick things uh where we got the statue of liberty from um namely the illuminati supposedly we know that uh that torch yes it's a trans it's a giant transvestite and that's that's his that's mainstream folks all right now it is a mayor um or the unisex god goddess lucifer uh the illuminati torch and the sun god crown and that's what the maker of france said that's i've read mainstream books about it it's true mainstream and it's an illuminati uh symbol yeah yeah we have mainstream books mainstream books

have made it very clear to anyone who wants that information well and the french uh sculpture has even said right right right so this should be widely known that it's not the united states symbol of freedom and hope is actually an illuminati uh uh the devil it's the devil it's either a cross dresser or it is the devil yeah and it's got a illuminati crown and a torch of prometheus i guess maybe um yeah none of this is based on anything yeah um there was speculation that it was uh based on the sculptor's mother and then some people had uh suggested that uh the sculptor's brother also looks fairly similar oh so there might be a family resemblance right right right kind of thing and so some of those theories were are you know pop around and you

know this isn't like something that alex is pulling out with thin air right there are people who uh bandy these ideas about the like a model for it could have been his brother or uh something along those lines but um it's saying it's in mainstream books and you know the sculptor said it's a alex is just trying to be more interesting than he actually is i'm gonna tell you this right now if you start worrying about what sculptures are based off of then you're gonna be because i'll secret michael angeles david not actually david what wasn't actually him what michael angelo didn't even know the guy never met him and venus did have a head uh no that's a common misconception she didn't have an arm but she did have a head and then the other arm fell off wait somebody

stole the head does the statue have no head and no it has a head okay it has no arms oh where to get the no head from um there's another sculpture that has no head there's plenty of sculptures that have no head yeah you said it yeah all right you know what you can take any sculpture right now and you can make it not have a head it's true so uh the ninth uh you know big picture complaining about sars being a bio weapon sure so that's that's a good bit of fun there's an issue and a lot of stuff about these tapes he calls about like uh customer service and said uh christmas movie about these days that was a sad speech yeah a bizarre preoccupation and then also alex has a little bit of a sit down with his water filter sponsor so that's uh that's that's the christmas

spirit that's fun yeah so we get to the tenth and alex has a big story it's wednesday the 10th of december 2003 i'm your host alex jones will be live for the next three hours in the third hour of the show i have one of the lawyers uh for the young people at goose creek uh public school where the police did a what can only be described as a nazi or soviet style martial law raid these have actually been going on around the country for about 10 years becoming more frequent but big brother's own surveillance turned against them and uh now part of the video that wasn't released has been released and it shows the dog of the german shepherd savaging their backpacks grabbing the backpack shaking its head stepping and stomping and jumping on the terrified children

so this story sucks uh it's a tragedy and i'm going to guess that alex is gonna miss the forest for the trees talking about it because he always does yeah on november 5th 2003 the police in goose creek south carolina conducted a raid on students at stratford high school after the principal decided that one student was possibly selling weed the student body of the school was less than 25 african-american but over uh quote uh more than two-thirds of those caught up in the sweep were african-american yeah ultimately no drugs or weapons were found and no charges were ever filed great a cynical view of things might lead one to assume that the only reason that this became a story at all is because there was surveillance video of the raid itself and this is kind of

bleak shit to imagine that this could conceivably be happening in other schools yeah and what that must be like one of the reasons that this story proceeded the way that it did is because 20 of the students who were the subject of this raid were represented by the aclu who had the resources to take this all the way to a settlement which changed the way that the school district handled searches and it established a fund for the students who were victimized to cover medical expenses and uh therapy this lawyer that alex has on is a member of a legal team that is also representing some students and that's great as well so much of this comes down to a conversation about race and i think it's pretty clear that alex isn't going to address that one of the reasons

that this case is particularly suspicious was the timing of the raid which took place at 6 45 a.m the reason this is suspicious is because that was prior to the arrival time of most of the school's buses the only buses that had arrived were the ones that picked up students who lived relatively close which was a group that was predominantly black in essence the school intentionally or not created a situation where the primarily white students would arrive at school to a scene of mostly black students being searched and made to kneel while police held them at gunpoint it's a dehumanizing scene and the race aspect of it is pretty much impossible to ignore but we'll see how alex tries i mean i just i i'm not into it's gonna have to be a lot of effort it's gonna have to

be a lot of effort to pretend that this is not about race yeah well i mean i think i think you could probably make a couple of interesting ways around this one is that it's not all about race there's a large portion of it that's race sure and maybe if you want to focus on some of those other things to the exclusion of the larger conversation issue that's but that's the way alex might uh might right right no no cc it's economics see because that it's all about economics because the it's just regional it's just it's the areas right and and then you could just be like well it's police state yeah you know like wow and and i think that that is you know there there is a truth to it that this is inappropriate policing of anybody right you know having uh you know dogs and

be doing a uh a search of a school over something that has no you have no probable cause or no real reason outside of a hunch yeah uh kind of level of evidence is it's it's intrusive at very least yeah all of the laws that we have should keep that from happening yeah but it seems like the laws are being used to make that happen which is an issue and and you know that that that is fair enough that there is like the police statey aspects of this sure um but again to focus on that without looking at the broader picture of it i think is a uh it's not dealing with the story as it is yeah that's absurd um so absurd alex talks a little bit about a news story about this raid and uh this is dumb and department procedure says that uh they can only search someone one at a time

and that you cannot have a whole group being searched uh in an illegal narcotics detection suite only after the on scene supervisor has cleared the area of all personnel will the canine enter and conduct an illegal narcotics detention detection so you take the clothes the the the backpack off the coats off you do not have the dog do it while the person's dressed and this was a german shepherd trained in drug detection uh by uh in Czechoslovakia and trained in attack so we have attack dogs so for one thing Czechoslovakia dissolved in 1993 so if this dog was trained there that's a pretty old dog that's an old dog i have no idea why a small town department in south carolina would outsource their drug dog training to eastern europe but that seems kind

of cost prohibitive if you want the best you have to pay for it okay there's a really big police dog training center in north carolina sure but they don't know how to do it quite as well as Slovakia does okay the Czech republic once they split apart their dog training went to shit so i was really confused about this but i traced down the article that alex is reading from and it turns out that it says the dog is a Czechoslovakian shepherd alex is taking the dog's breed and pretending that it means that the dog was trained in europe i guess because it makes the dog sound more scary i mean i i will say this i am slightly more terrified of an eastern european german shepherd than i am if it was trained in eastern europe i feel like that's a that's a stereotypically terrifying

place to train something out period also at no point in the article does it say that the dog whose name is major uh they don't say that it's a trained attack dog yeah this is at best alex lying about a part in the article that describes the difference between passive and active alert detection dogs some dogs respond to finding drugs by sitting which is the passive training and some will bark which is the more aggressive style alex is either lying about this or just making up a detail to create an angle for the audience to hang on to that doesn't involve the clear racism that underlies this story everything about the raid and the search sucks and i'm not minimizing any of that stuff i'm just saying that alex is not a good source of information on anything if you have

the article he's reporting on in front of you and you watch along as alex reads it often becomes really clear how his process works he's basically just skimming along and finding words to use as anchor points and in this case check off slavakia is a pretty glaring and embarrassing one this behavior is constant and consistent throughout his career so generally if people listen to alex it's probably best for them to double check his work so you can tell how much of it is just he's making up to sound smarter and more interesting well putting literally zero effort into doing any show prep because why would you yeah yeah that's he knows that the shit that he's saying isn't true so why put time into preparing it doesn't make any sense right yeah and i mean

i mean it almost works to your disadvantage because if you have a well prepared lie it's too good to be right to be true yeah you need to maintain flexibility yeah yeah yeah and if you prepare too much then you kind of want to stick with it so you can't change it as much later on you're like no no no i put a lot of work into this bullshit i'm not going to just go ahead and say that putin is a good guy now no this dog was trying to chuckle so i'm trying to chuckle slavakia god damn it oh my god i can't believe that that's it how do you so i i got something a little bit backwards and that is on the uh the ninth uh the first show yeah alex had a short interview with larry pratt from gun owners of america right right it's actually the 10th that his water filter

sponsor comes in and here's just a little taste of that every corner of the country's found massive levels of prozac herbicides pesticides dead bacteria if you're lucky a lot of times live bacteria but dead bacteria are bad enough they're toxic little microscopic pieces of rotten meat basically it's time to filter our water isn't it it really is and alex we've uh we've got a couple uh christmas specials uh that we want to uh share with folks you can't say christmas it's politically incorrect uh holidays we may be arrested for thought crime okay all right well keep that straight yeah man it's uh can't say christmas gotta war on it oh boy i have some very uh left put is that unseed and destroy god type liberal attack and dethrone god yeah um a number of them

said merry christmas i've said merry christmas to you many times i don't think anybody cares i don't care i don't i don't think anyone cared in 2003 and they care less 19 years later even less even less but yeah that's that's a lot of fun um one of the things that i think is interesting to note too is that i'm noticing a trend in this period of alex's career where a lot of the ad stuff is brokered programming yeah but it's pretty clear what it is it's it's strange because it doesn't feel like they're trying to hide that they are an infomercial yes they're still blending content and the pitch right that is for sure and i think it's really difficult to tell what's leading what right but you would never mistake this for not a

sponsored bit of time totally whereas in the present day and closer to the present day that line blurs quite a bit yeah this is very clearly uh this is the segment where i'm going to make money by letting this guy try and make money that's the segment we all know it i'm gonna say that alex even makes clear um while they're i think it's actually just after the guy leaves that like he pays for all of the bandwidth stuff on uh shortwave so like he pays for all of that and in exchange he comes on and they sell his water filters that's a reasonable agreement and i'm sure maybe alex makes some money on top of that too but like maybe gets a taste of each filter right ethically speaking um you know you're not trying to yeah as long as you're not trying

to deceive people then yeah i mean the question of deceit really just does come down to like are you focusing on and exaggerating water based issues right in order to sell water filters right and ignoring other real water issues like you know parts of the country that don't have access to clean water totally because those aren't people who could afford your water filters totally fair totally fair there's ethical angles in that but but in terms of like just trying to be like we're not doing an ad when we are right that seems to be a bit different at this point yeah yeah yeah the ethical issues with this are more similar to like when breakfast cereal showed you what a balanced breakfast looked like and it was like bacon eggs ham uh six pieces of fruit two glasses of milk and

orange juice all to make it seem like the amount of sugar you were framing your marshmallow yeah is not an unacceptable amount yeah yeah there's there's some information missing yeah so um on the 10th alex takes calls again he's he takes calls in the past man i'll tell you what he takes calls a lot of them are the same people that does sound true yep they're only there are fewer guests man man oh man in the same way that you know he's not going to sell out of theater without giving away tickets sure he's not going to open the phones without the same fucking people calling in oh we're not getting uh louisiana dentures are we no oh good i can't handle another christmas message no no no uh it's another character that we know though is an old man house phone it's dan in illinois

no dan in illinois um he's on all the time yeah he gets i don't he must have the hotline number because he is constantly on and uh i don't i don't play every time he's around because i don't want it to be excessive like i'm dan i live in illinois this guy's dan in illinois it's he and he's not the co-host of uh info wars no no um but this this bear is mentioning i think he might be in eighty some might uh let's talk to dan in illinois then uh greg uh jan and uh ethan and lessen and others uh dan you're on the air go ahead how you doing alex good sir you know i'm a little confused about what all the protesting against mel Gibson's film or anything else like that well it doesn't work when they show it mel Gibson was here sunday showed it to all the liberals

and they loved it so it kind of blew up in the adl's face well here here's the thing christians by their existence believe that christ is god here Jewish people by their here we remain jewish says he wasn't so if he wasn't god he was a blasphemer like it says in the bible well the leftists don't like christians and christianity period and they'll they'll attack any anything christian look at the 10 commandments i mean it is truly a leftist thing or is it more of a jewish thing wow i am going to change my name and move from illinois i don't want to be associated with them throw this out here maybe the problem that people have with your religion isn't so much the religion part so much as the part where it makes you go well since they don't believe Jesus is the

god and they that means that they believe that he's a blasphemer so obviously we should kill him that's the religion part that's the problem well that's where it comes into conflict sure the the the idea that there is a i guess a failing of other people because they have not become part of your religion yeah that that that is where um comes it causes problems like here here's the thing nobody's mad if you say merry christmas to them nobody's mad generally people are mad if you say you have to celebrate christmas and if you don't say merry christmas back to me you're the devil right right that's an issue i'm perfectly happy to say merry christmas or happy holidays to anybody whatever you want i don't want someone yelling at me to say exactly that's all i

want that's the there's no war on from my end not from my end my war is please leave me alone just stop don't yell at me just stop um so i fucked down in illinois yep what a prick what an asshole so um and alex gets another call and another thing that happens a bit in uh 2003 is callers call in and this may be alex's like um coast to coast training is that callers will call in with silly ideas and he will just be like hu bet let's roll with it kind of huber do a little uh do a little improv yeah i wanted to go into something else i think it's kind of interesting um and i want to know if you've heard anything about this someone told us who knows someone in washington dc that the higher ups have been told to leave before the year 2006 they're out to relocate with

their families because i know that most elites most people who are billionaires are building armored compounds uh in islands off the us coast east coast west coast uh in the caribbean uh they are getting islands in the Mediterranean islands in the south pacific and yes there is a massive evacuation taking place so this caller is asking uh based on intel that she has gotten the higher ups have a plan to evacuate by 2006 obviously and alex's responses they're buying up islands better believe it and yes you have no idea how much you think that they're trying to escape but you don't even know how much they're trying to escape i know they're trying to escape so much more than you do that i'm the most knowing that they are trying to escape yeah you think you've got intelligence

you uh maria bamford character with whatever voice that is this is uh this is a yes this is a signing off if you're this person who's calling in you're gonna leave this phone call with a boy my intel is good wow alex has signed off those people who told me that insane thing are very trustworthy people and i can't wait to hear what they have to say next yeah um and this extends to other things like maybe uh people who are clearly uh in an episode and uh our sovereign citizens well this is very simple this is very simple not drawn out all right what i'm getting at is the definition pertains to u.s. colto twenty three thousand two fifteen paragraph a the meaning of the united states is a federal corporation you're a citizen of a federal corporation oh boy

yeah they replace the rightful government with a corporation of the same name right the last point that i want to make here is when you show when you're going to ask you for your id whether you're on the street being stopped by a police officer or in a court system present your id what is it that you present you present your driver's license look at your driver's license their name is spelled all capital letters they're not looking at you as the human yeah it's your they're looking for doom their expat oh you're you're you're you're right your corporation your eyes a corporate entity a fictional corporate entity and that's all you want and that's what we need to turn around is our court system and turn this around yeah they get us they get us to

sign away our rights through uh treaties with the government uh through contracts right right yep they found a common ground in weird sovereign citizen shit yep see yeah there's a just a call in with some silly nonsense and alex is going to be like you bet this is this all works for me this uh this this comports with my bizarre right wing weirdo-ness but unfortunately sometimes there are callers who have ideas that run counter to alex's uh sort of worldview uh and this can't stand and alex has to push back on them for instance he gets another call and it's from a guy who uh has actually read operation north woods oh no and has a little bit of a concern about how what what could be a concern for somebody who's actually read it well it doesn't

necessarily say that like people are going to be killed well there's that problem yeah alex maybe is a little bit off on it uh-oh uh you've got it in front of you i'm going from memory yeah page nine talks about having their paramilitary forces shoot people in dc in miami and then how to frame patsies i got page nine in front of me here with a whole load of cubans and routes of real or simulated see i told you that i know what i just said real or simulated real or simulated there but on the other ones there was no it just talked about you're not you know it it does talk about shooting our troops and shooting people you know i'm just talking about the ones about the unarmed i think from memory yeah and you've got it in front of you i think four times they talk about

killing people and wounding them yeah they do mention that uh there are some things that they would do and they they're sort of vague in a couple yeah yeah they're not clear if they're going to kill john glenn or not yeah so uh then you say if he died it'd be helpful we could blame it on the on the commies this is just bullying yeah that alex is doing alex's rehearsed talking points about north woods which he uses to lend undeserved support to his conspiracies about things like 9 11 and the then recent beltway sniper attacks aren't going to stand up to a person just reading the document this is dicey territory so alex has to do two things that you see demonstrated in that clip the first thing is the absurd victory that he claims over this caller alex claims that

the document says that the globalists paramilitary forces will shoot people in dc in miami and then explains how to set up patsy's this isn't really accurate the document talks about developing a communist cuban terror plot quote pointed at cuban refugees seeking haven in the united states this wouldn't involve killing anyone or any paramilitary groups although it does say it may involve up to wounding ooh they also say that quote the arrest of cuban agents and the release of prepared documents substantiating cuban involvement would be helpful in projecting the idea of an irresponsible government this is fairly close to discussing how to blame a patsy but it's unclear if the cuban agents they're referring to would actually be blamed for anything or if the goal

would just be to arrest some agents in order to create public perception that they should be to blame or there's even parts of this plan that suggest using cuban friendlies in order to pretend to be a cuban communist in order to make it look like they were attacking something right so these cuban agents might even be dummies that they're talking about a whole kakumami plan yeah it's splitting hairs a little bit here so i'm going to go ahead and give alex half credit the document does suggest creating false perception about who's to blame for false fake attacks whatever the caller then reads the part about sinking real or simulated ship of refugees and i suspect that alex knows that this is as close as he's going to get to a win so he pretends that this

fully supports what he just claimed but it doesn't alex needs this appearance of a win in order to project the air of frustration and that he's always right when people question him this goes a long way towards the second aspect of this clip uh putting that in motion which is to force the caller to accept the notion that everything is vague and because of that all of alex's unsupported and extreme conclusions are actually what the document's saying yeah it's a demand that the caller read the words on the page that aren't there because alex insists that they are and it's something that the audience watches and on some level they probably understand yeah alex understands reality better than you do so you need to subvert your reality to him it is a very bizarre and scary

message it's the most fucked up example of just uh i mean it's it's a big bully with authority while you're holding a book yelling at you to say that the book says what they tell you yeah it doesn't matter what the book says you say what they say yeah and it's that it worked and that it worked over the phone uh that's fucked up man well that's the extremeness of the power imbalance yeah exactly like i i can get it more if it's alex's in imposing frame and you're like on a desk you know like trying to read quietly and he's got his big ass up in front of you but over the phone man just say no i'm reading the sentence so i was actually i was i was reading through north woods and trying to find like the instances of things that could be construed as like

the actual violence sure that they're suggesting sure sure sure and the closest thing really is that sinking a boatload of cuban refugees enroute to florida and then in parentheses it says real or simulated right that is the kind of the closest thing you're gonna get in there and i mean i think that even in the context of the document and the other stuff they're saying even a real sinking of the boat wouldn't involve killing the refugees yeah yeah it would be like it's a real boat we're really sinking it and then there'll be life rafts right and stuff for everybody right or what or the people who are on board will be well i mean but but that's the point of the the point of the document is coming up with a plan that isn't let's just go blow people

up right you know the whole idea that would be very easy for them just to do yeah or the goal yeah absolutely need this if we wanted violence violence is our jam man we've got so much violence all around us yeah you know now i want to say one thing really quick though really clearly yeah make no mistake the proposals listed in that document would lead to a whole lot of death oh is it terrible yeah due to the whole goal of it being to provide a justification to attack cuba before they had time to enter a mutual defense pact with the soviet union right even the suggestions that they have about just harassing cuba could have severe consequences leaving aside any of the false flag ideas you might take away from the document it was a bad document and it's a good

thing that it was flatly rejected because it would have resulted in a ton of deaths however none of that death would be due to the false flags that were suggested in the text that's just something alex uh insists right and another another thing that people don't bring up often enough about that operation northwood an incredibly stupid plan not very well it's a bad plan it's it's not going to achieve the goals that they think it's going to achieve probably not yeah and it's also not a plan it's uh sort of true uh pitch elevator yeah yeah a list of elevator pitches right right right it's throwing spaghetti at the wall exactly i'm not saying it's like okay here's our coordinated strategy obviously it's the the nsa or like whoever has the like the document that was

released yeah the the full thing is 15 pages but it's only a few pages of the actual document the other or other uh sheets like the cover page and stuff like that right it's it's not a long document and not none of it is like very well articulated about how these plans would work like one of the plans they have is just like start rumors and then the parentheses says lots of them it it does feel like it's more of a picture of a whiteboard of like one of those giant school classroom white boards with everybody's ideas written on it really small and then somebody just took a picture and they're like yeah see that's the plan we got it the the the actual appendix which is where the actual the the sort of descriptions of plans are in starts on page 10

yeah so the reason that it's confusing is because there's a there's a numbering of the pages from the original page like at the bottom of the page right and what page it is in terms of the like 15 pages that were released right right right in terms of the pages that were released it starts on page 10 um and then it goes through uh 15 so it's just those five pages um and yeah one of them is start rumors parentheses many use clandestine radio that's just a wish list yeah start rumors parentheses just one though yeah one of them is uh start riots near the base main gate and then parentheses friendly cubans yeah see that's not very specific oh nailed it put it up on the Jenkins put it up on the wall it's going up okay uh what else anybody got large fires scooters

i like that scooters who's got scooters put it up on the board uh so uh look i heard children's hands with nothing or else around it what what what was else going on there also apparently outer space uh oh yeah you have to take that document in total for the spirit of it and and it talks about killing real people killing marines killing cubans shooting people in dc bombing dc uh wounding people killing people um if john blend was to have an accident while john glenn did have an accident that would be helpful i mean it's you gotta read the whole thing which you've obviously done but if you've got some friend who picks out a part where they say well it says it could be simulated yeah it says it could be real too well how are you not picking

out something i who cares yeah look space john glenn is gonna get false flagged in orbit glenn is going listen we just figured out space like just figured it out yeah this document was from 1962 right the year it's it actually i looked at the dates this is like two weeks after john glenn left for his first orbit yeah in 1962 yeah so now that we've got that figured out obviously we also have the capability to knock it out of orbit magically without actually hurting him now do you know what the big problem with this is oh boy when you say big that's a that's a relative value judgment well what is the premise of these false flags like what's the desired end goal i believe it's to uh stop the the cubans from getting involved with the thing it's to provide

a justification to attack cuba right pretext right so whatever you do needs to be blamed on cuba right so cuba shot john glenn out of atmosphere yeah there's a little little bit okay all right now i i know that you and i would both think in order to say shoot john glenn out of space you would need a rocket and the capability to fire things into space the likes of which were in short supply at that time in 1962 and so much so that they were all monitored all the time right i mean like i guess you could make an argument that they have you know alliance with the soviet union and maybe they have rockets and such but at that point so then space is involved well yeah dealing with the soviet union not cuba yeah yeah that's that's not really then then cuba is like a

hey we'll get to you later we got russia shooting people out of space yeah john glenn being false flagged in space is not going to be a pretext for war with cuba of all things if they kind of a concept if you had actually convinced the world that john glenn was shot out of space by by the soviet union that's a world war right you can't just shoot a man out of space that's that's just everybody's got to solve that problem first that's my rule okay i mean when did the like sort of rules about no militarization of space come into play i think they came into play before like in like the fifties i'm not sure but if it was before that then you could make an argument that it's the wild west yeah that's a good point well i didn't know it was wrong at the time um yeah i i just

think that this is stupid and that man make no space law i i gotta say this is not in operation north once uh false flag of john glenn in space not uh not on the list alongside start rumors start rumors parentheses many parentheses is one of them john glenn got shot out of space by cuba and parentheses and parentheses here's here's another one of the suggestions now consider the jump between this and space false flag yeah yeah quote lob mortar shells from outside of base into base some damage to installations listen you gotta have low tech and high tech operations at the same time you people protect themselves against one or the other you can't be protected against both dan they use the word lob lob toss them over shot put

so throw a couple grenades nearby somebody's house um yeah i think maybe alex doesn't have a great handle on this doc might not no might not so alex gets another call uh this is a fella from denmark very exciting to get an international caller not so uh exciting to find out that he's uh maybe an anti-semite oh are you saying that the atl is there to demonize anybody they are the arms of the illuminati every time you attack the illuminati well i have found if you attack government corruption in any way uh and never say a word of racism you will be attacked by the atl if you're a real live nazi uh you will be loved and supported and completely ignored by the southern property law center the simon weasenthal center but the southern property

law center is is jewish too i don't understand the management of this is jewish maybe they have some kind of connection to the anti-demoflation yeah i don't know maybe but well there's a lot of organizations look it's a horrible thing to throw at somebody that got him a racist or way to push back on that it's so horrible it's so horrible to be called racist um yeah that's a response isn't good um but both from the caller and from alex just you know it's um maybe startling to go back and you know just see the kind of consistency of these types of callers and alex's complete inability or unwillingness to push back on stuff in any meaningful way yeah you know you think over time that something would have changed in some way like he would

have gotten more prepared for them or like would be more capable of pushing back or more capable of like closing the closing the conversation down without having to go to yeah but it seems like it's been pretty much the same like a lot of groups wish you hadn't said that but uh you know what you're gonna do that sounds nice actually i agree with you let's move on hey you could be forgiven i think if you're in alex's audience if you came away with the impression that like he agrees with all of the most toxic awful uh viewpoints but he doesn't want to say things to protect his own like bottom line yeah or whatever like i don't think that that's necessarily the case but it would not be very difficult to talk yourself into it if you're listening to this and

you know you have those horrible toxic beliefs i mean just based on uh all the non all the non word clues you know like the the nonverbal clues you know like the tone of voice the way that he's pausing all of those little things could definitely make you add up to being like well he didn't say his first and honest response he said what he was supposed to to make the money yeah the the refusal to even really recognize that this guy is saying that like yeah the jews run all of these groups that you are saying are evil and are right like out to get patriots and destroy christians right right you're not even you're just leaving that there alex i'm telling you the thing that you're telling me and you're just going like maybe so this guy alex keeps him on for a while and he

asked him but uh sure i mean you gotta you gotta den markie and who hates jews come on he asked him about like opposition to the e you and alex has some stats wrong about the e you and then this guy uh it goes for it even more most european countries have not allowed a referendum because in in all the nations i've seen polls on 70 plus percent of the people are against being under the e you but still it expands and expands and expands are the people that you talk to in den mark are they against uh the e you the most of them even the jews so so the question is why they go for it under the e you then do you know the rock child control the meat you're here in den mark too yeah all right sir well i appreciate your call from den mark and please uh spread the

word and uh thanks for holding that yeah yeah yep yep so yeah the rough child's run the media and that's why you like the e you even the jews don't like the e you apparently i mean also those numbers are way off in terms of approval of the e you the e you is very popular it might be actually the inverse in most countries yeah i think you could probably find a couple um i know that greece was a bit lower on the uh on the favorability of they got host more than more than once yeah i think i think now though watching while everybody in the e you is watching great britain uh eat itself alive and i think they're all like we're still in the e you douche bags and let me let me actually just say in in uh full disclosure the numbers that i was talking about are from 2022 so like they aren't

relevant fully to 2003 sure but i don't think that they've swung this far the median is 26 percent unfavorable 72 percent favorable yeah that sounds about right uh greece is the outlier here with 49 percent unfavorable 50 well i mean if you recall what happened whenever the 2008 financial collapse and they forced greece to eat it essentially oh totally instead of writing off all of the debt right um and like outside of the e you even uh a strong favorability uh among the countries polled by the pew research center 27 unfavorability among the 19 country median that they they looked at and 69 percent favorable hey hey so i don't know alex is often this guy's an atc semi from denmark yep great i don't i just don't feel like maybe maybe anti semites from denmark

and alex don't have their fingers on the pulse of the mainstream they also don't have good chemistry you could tell how this call was falling apart there at the end and alex had to like yeah you you take care now bye so you've won last clip and this is the alex fulfilling the promise of talking to the lawyer of the uh students uh from uh stat uh stratford high school yes yeah in south carolina not a very long interview and uh this caller uh um he has end up uh being there for some calls uh and it's pretty unfortunate because the um the lawyer himself is a black man and he brings up the uh dynamic that's at play with the video recording of the actual raid being similar in term uh uh to the rodney king uh beating right in terms of people being able to see the actual

thing elicits an emotional response and people uh experience it far more vividly than things that they can only abstractly right um think about then a but the number of callers call in and say how dare you compare this to rodney kigg he was a horrible yeah uh criminal there it is all this there it was yes to explain oh no it's not what i meant and like uh it's it's very weird um but he seems like uh just a lawyer who's trying to uh do a case and and what have you do a good job um and um alex actually does kind of bring up the racial dynamic interesting yeah but it's on it's it's unsatisfying unfulfilling when you have snarling dogs that are trained to attack to train to be accomplices to police and their police activities they're used to dealing with criminals

and of course uh they're meant to subdue the criminals and and to use that on on high school students age 13 through 17 um i think what's shocking is is the imagination what shocks the imagination is any one of our children going through that well i have to tell you i'm not just saying this because two thirds of the students singled out were black i've seen film of south africa in the 80s where they would have everybody line up on their knees and watching police dogs bite on people and it's very akin to that well what what you said is very interesting and yes and what we've looked at what we found is uh if you even think back to the 60s the use of police dogs in those instances but but what shocks the conscious and what was very interesting

was that not only black students were targeting although this section of the hall um was an entrance for the bus that was from a more rural and then predominantly african-american so it just so happens that a lot of black students were there and it was okay okay it's just a coincidence uh hey you know what this uh this brings to mind and reminds me of apartheid south africa yeah it is a coincidence i mean you know if something reminds you of apartheid south africa it's because it's just regular old apartheid where you are right now uh it's it's not apartheid south africa it's apartheid south carolina it's there it's always been there that's where it lives it's very easy to convince alex this is a coincidence unreal because he's bringing up

the two thirds of the students who were caught up in the sweep were african-american students yeah um and that is uh an issue and for the it to be just a coincidence because there were white students there yeah as well or you know two thirds two thirds were african-american one third non-african-american sure now if you uh think that the school is two thirds african-american then maybe that is coincidental right but when you recognize that it's under 25 percent african-american those numbers become much worse yeah they look real bad almost as if there's intent behind them well i mean it makes the um the two thirds number far more disproportional oh yeah and it makes the the 20 uh the 33 percent uh the the one third the other one third uh much less statistically

relevant um yep so anyway it's not a coincidence but this is the extent to which alex i'm it's just baffling for me like alex does what he brings it up yeah he brings up apartheid south africa that's just very strange to me i mean what i it okay here's the problem i have here's the problem i have and it's a big one and it's one that i don't think we're gonna get around probably not um if something reminds you of apartheid south africa i don't care what that thing is it's a problem that needs to be fixed from the bottom up you know tear the whole thing down if it reminds you of apartheid south africa it needs to be destroyed so i don't understand how you could even bring that up what about the movie and then and then be moved on you know just be like

hey that reminds me of south africa oh no big deal all right well i'm gonna keep going that is not okay even if it's like no no no they like it in apartheid south africa don't care don't care it's gotta be stopped whatever it is it's gotta be stopped fair enough you know fair enough i feel like that's simple yeah well i mean your policy there i think is uh is sensible um at the very least don't just move over it yeah yeah at least ask a number of follow-up questions a lot of them don't accept um at any excuse that it's a coincidence none none but that's not the alex jones way inforce is not made for follow-up questions it's no coincidentally it's like south africa apartheid it's not it's yeah particularly when the thing uh that's reminiscent

is uh targeted harassment and abuse of black people yep that's yeah anyway um in the past there is some fun and there is some not fun ain't that the way of things uh always love a nice customer service call on air they're just the best always fun they're just the best uh dog's trained in chuckle silvakia that's great pretty sweet that's great you're not gonna get that on another show there's something there's something about louisie and a denture's message that is going to stick with me i i'm going to be thinking about it's very sad poor man it's very very sad and that's 20 years ago he's probably dead you don't know they might just have an old voice that's possible that's true uh but yeah the the the the nature of this stuff like the the pretty frequent instances

of anti-semitic callers that alex has no ability to push back on and the fact that one of them is dan in illinois who calls in every other every third show or so he's on he gets through constantly he's a regular and that's troubling yeah um and uh the the virus thing too like it's just the the echoes of the present are there in in ways that are kind of uncomfortable i mean it is it is uh uh one thing that i love about the past episodes is that they are emblematic of something that's so crucial which is just a very simple if you don't deal with a problem it's going to get worse true you know true like this is so many we've seen so many things where it's like we didn't deal with a problem then we didn't yeah an information problem was there and the at every reason to

think it would take care of itself kind of or like i suppose you know if you take time to know about things you would hear these things and be like who's who would believe no idiot would bring this noise and that's that's unfortunately uh it turns out to have been a naive uh position yeah yep yep yeah that is that is a bummer but i think that there's a second element too of it that is if you look back at the past and you see all of this like this constant similarity and you know basically what you're saying yeah is that if you flip it it really does put into perspective the way that alex deals with like immediacy and these stories that are breaking news now in the present day it's like this is breaking news 20 years ago they're doing the same shit it you know

it kind of cuts both ways it does it ideally it should be able to illustrate to somebody who's caught up in that right that cycle that like no this is this is the same it's all it's a it's a carousel yeah it's not a carousel yeah i i mean it's it's hard to it's hard to not think like well this is a problem from then but you know like we were talking about with the bingo cards this is a problem this is the same problem from the same bad thinking that's been going on for forever and it's just never been dealt with because either we've never found a successful way to deal with it or we don't have the political or capital necessary to deal with i think it's probably more the prior yeah i would it has to be because it's so obvious the biggest problem we're having right now is

most people don't believe in the real world that isn't that that is the uh the place for the the point from which all the so many cracks come out yeah it is it's just we don't believe in the real point where a lot of bullshit starts spreading out yeah yeah i don't know how to make you believe in reality yes the ultimate question and it's pretty easy apparently to make people believe in non-realities it's a lot easier like Czechoslovakian dogs being trained those eastern european murder dogs from 20 years ago anyway we'll be back with another episode that will likely be as bummer-ish but until then we have a website we do have a website it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight yep we'll be back but until

then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark i'm got anything uh feeling better i i really feel like i should have thought of a bit during the time away i had a whole week who yeah but you were in failure you were in non-thinking about bit headspace true yeah true um i ah here we go what do you got the floor is lava and now here comes the sex robots andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-time color i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you