Knowledge Fight - #763: December 15, 2003

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan give an update about Alex's forthcoming predictions about 2023. There aren't any, so they go back to the past to experience Alex's immediate reaction to the news that Saddam Hussein had been found in Iraq.  

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the goings on at the library that's being built. Still being burnt down library of Alexandria, I assume is the one you're talking about. No, no, no. Oh, a modern day. Oh, weird anti communism library that will be burned down eventually. Yeah, well, yeah, absolutely. No, I've, I've gotten a number of issues of the American opinion and would have you the John Birch Society. That collection is coming together. Indeed. And what have you. And I started to think about like, I want to, I want to start with a little bit of specialization. Because, you know, otherwise was going to be randomly trying to find things and sure that makes the hunt a little bit more, more challenging, right? You don't have a real target. And so I decided that we're, I'm going

to begin by trying to compile as much as I can of reveal OP Oliver works. And I found some very terrible things so far. Oh, and surprising. He's written some real terrible, very, very anti somatic stuff. And the reason I chose to go in this direction is partially because I believe that a lot of his ideas about the West and the Western man in Christendom, those sorts of things are very relevant to the right wing as it exists now. And I think a lot of people don't have that thread to pull and maybe exploring that a little bit could be helpful. But then the other thing was that when you think about the John Birch Society, which is a cornerstone of the materials that are that are going to be in this thing I'm putting together, the first meeting that they

had, the founding members that were there, a lot of these people were business folks. Yeah, they were industrialists. They were members of the National Association of Manufacturers. You know, most fascists are sure you had the candy man. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Fred Coke. You know, these folks who were, you know, I'm sure they had ideas, right, but they weren't primarily idea people, right? Whereas Reveal Opie Oliver was somebody who was there and he's an ideas guy. He was, you know, he's a professor. Sure. He's, you know, academic. He's somebody who has a lot of theory about stuff. And when, you know, you look at that constellation of people, that's the person that I find most interesting. That's the person who's going to have more writings

that have like implications for maybe the way that the organization ended up growing. Well, yeah, of course. I mean, the businessmen are obviously outsourcing their thoughts to other people too. They don't have time to think of things. And I'm sure, I'm sure they have some idea, some thoughts, but they hurt the poor. It's a thought. It's a thought. It's an idea. We need someone to make this sound better. Yeah, exactly. So I'm excited about that. I've got his against the grain here in front of me. This is the first. The writings of Professor Reveal O Pendleton Oliver. And there's a number of chapters in here that I think I think speak for themselves. They spell trouble. There's a nice editorial here. A white Christian racist defends his faith.

I mean, it's refreshingly straightforward. I would accept that, especially if it was a white racist defends his racism by just being like, I really want to be end. There's one chapter in the larger section, race and history distortion. Sure. There's a sub chapter and Frank's diary. Oh boy. It's great. That one's real quick. Yeah. So this is the direction that some things are taking here with the library. And I know some, I've been a little bit slow in posting pictures. Sure. So I wanted to give a little update about that. And you know, there'll be some pictures. Well, I mean, you know how we've seen so many failed stand-up comedians become right wing talking idiots, you know, what's great about Reveal O is that he

was originally the great Reveal O and because of his failed magic career. Well, here we are. I wonder if it is pronounced Reveal O. It is in my brain forever. I've only seen it. I've only seen it written, I suppose. We never hear his name spoken aloud. I think that is his like given name. I think that is like, but it is also like a palindrome. Reveal O P Oliver is a palindrome. Oh, that's fucking annoying. A little bit. What a piece of shit. If that's the case, you've got to blame his parents. Well, I mean, I think he deserves a response that you could change your name. Yeah, I don't know. Well, maybe that'll be another part of my research thinking that exactly if this is his name and why. Yeah. Oh, that's annoying.

So what's your bright spot? Oh, boy. My bright spot is I finally got turned on or I finally listened to the Big Thief album from last year. A strong new warm mountain or whatever it's called. It's good. Big Thief featuring Chief Keith. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, not that one. No, no, no, no. It's surprisingly good. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I've been anti Big Thief for a long time. Oh, okay. Yeah. I've been anti Big Thief because to me for a long time, they've sounded like if Courtney Barnett headed gang, gang dance or something. I know that means nothing to some people, but here's what's great about this. I understand. I hear the name Big Thief and I don't know where to slot this. I don't know. I don't know genre and then you name other

people and I don't know what they are. You don't know what they are. Okay. He's going to say what it's a combination of I'm going to be able to figure this out. Is this rock? Is this rap? Is this folk? What is this? But then you name people and like, I don't know them either. I'll tell you this. It's a little bit of everything. Okay. That's the problem. You know, there's a little bit of everything in there and it's not always focused enough to be good at the thing that they're doing. This album is good at the thing that they're doing. It's good. Okay. Agreed. Is there any, what's that? What's that genre that I love? Trap. No. God damn it. It's like a beachy. It's very beachy. Yeah. I don't know. Soft rock. No. I'm not a fan of soft rock either.

Reggae. You don't like reggae. I like some reggae, but most of it is too chill for me. That's right. We've had this discussion. I find it too relaxed. How dare you? How dare you? This is making me worry about the future. Yeah. I don't appreciate that they are either relaxed and chill or they're putting that like image on. Right. Right. Right. If they're deceiving you, it's actually terrifying, right? The implications of it are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Bossa Nova. That's what I was thinking of. Yeah. Beachy. I don't know. All right. All right. Is there a Bossa Nova type influence? I mean, are you talking? I mean, I suppose, yeah, like Antonio Carlos Chopin kind of.

Exactly. There is no, there is no Bossa Nova in there. Oh, maybe, maybe you call Big Thief. Ask him to toss a little Bossa Nova. I think that's not a bad idea. I don't think you're wrong. Okay. Anyway, I'm glad you're enjoying that album. I'm sorry. What do we do? What do we do it today? We're doing an episode. Oh, Jordan. So on our last episode, we talked about the end of the year broadcast. December 31st June on all of my checks. Yeah. And we had to tease from Alex that he was going to reveal his predictions for the coming year. And then he decided I can't do that. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to lock myself in my office for six to seven hours, tell my wife I'm not coming home. Right. I'm going to take care of this and it's

got to be dark in that office. And then he's like, fuck it. You know what? I don't do one better. I'm going to the woods for a couple of days. I recall him escalating to I'm going to the woods for a couple of days because he's got to get in the zone with God and God's got to tell him stuff and that can only happen in a creek and he needs to cry and walk. He's a cry walker. He is. Yes. So we tuned in as we were recording our last episode on Alex's Sunday show and it turns out he was there. He was in studio. Interesting. So he did not go to the woods. Did they turn all the lights off so he could talk in the dark? No. Oh, but he barely talked. He wasn't talking about that much. Okay. It was an interview with Francis Boyle, Dr. Francis Boyle, the guy who is a bio weapon

specialist of some sort. And he has apparently some thoughts about Ukraine. It was a pointless interview. Yeah. We did not get predictions about the year. That doesn't surprise me. That was the whole first hour. And then the second hour was just reruns. Alex left. So he is in the woods. Well, here's the thing. I tuned in on Monday. And what do I find? Oh, no. Infowars.com live on air in the year 2023. He's in the woods. Why don't you suck on that globalist? Why don't you suck on that deep state? Yeah. Wait, is the deep state sucking on the new year? No, just think that they're still on air. Sure. But I mean,

Infowars is still on air 2023. I mean, if you got a problem with that, we got two words for you. This is an arbitrary demarcation of time. I refuse to acknowledge that as an existence. The new degeneration X, the new age outlaws, Harrison Smith and Owen Troyer, tag team champs. No, refuse. You've got... What would Harrison Smith's final move be? The snooze. He puts you to sleep. He just starts talking to you for a long time. No, it's a sleeper hold. It's a sleeper hold? Yeah. I wouldn't buy him putting anybody to sleep in that. No, but it's thematically fitting. Sure. Then Alex, I guess, would be for Triple H or maybe John Michaels? I mean, I think he's more Hulk Hogan now.

Well, that's like the New World Order stuff. Oh, that's right. I forgot. I'm trying to cast degeneration X. No, I understand. My attitude era is not as complete as yours. Cousin Buckley is ravishing Rick Rood. Right. Well, no, obviously. That one's obvious. Savannah Hernandez is China because she's the only female that I think is still around. Yeah. Because Millie Weaver's gone. Caitlin Bennett, I don't think is still around. I don't even know if she's still around in a period. I know that Savannah Hernandez actually works like she worked for the Blaze, but she still has a channel on Bandod Video. Sure. Nick Fuentes could be ravishing Rick Rood because he had a mustache. Oh. And Nick had a mustache.

Enough of this. Okay. Anyway, Alex is in the woods. It appears on Monday or something. He's just not there. So that left me in a little bit of a bind because I was obviously wanting to get to these predictions. Right. I'm very excited about that. I want to know what's coming. Alex has a responsibility to tell us because he's a psychic and I'm not boy. He really is a psychic too. Yeah. So anyway, I felt like I wanted to tell the world that we don't have the predictions, but that's not an episode. Goodbye. That is not a full episode. Fair. And so I thought like, well, we can go back to 2003. We can make some progress through 2003. Sure. And it dawned on me that actually we are right at the point where Saddam gets found. He got found on December 13th.

Okay. 2003. And our next episode as we're progressing through would be December 12th. So here we are. Okay. We get to figure out what happened when Alex heard the news that Saddam Hussein was found. Clearly. If I remember my 2003 lore correctly, it was Czecholo-Soviet who did it. Correct? No, they trained the dogs that found Saddam. Sure. Okay. I'm better now. Yeah. So we're getting down to business on this. But before we do, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Jen Jam, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Happy it's cool whenever Dan gets to it. Birthday Eric from Kate, our puppy's Meadow Bandit and horse

radish, the pod dog. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Happy birthday. Right on time this time. Thank you very much. Next. Thanks to Alex Jones for my new gender, Gremlin Wraith. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Luke, I am your father. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. I mean, I don't know why nobody's tried that one before. I feel like that's been there for, we're on episode 762 or whatever, right? That's true. Yeah. Next. Did European studies really prepare us for this, Emmer? Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And Squatch Curious has joined the party. Thank you so much. You're

now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And we got a technocrat in the mix. And this person I have to give an apology to because they wanted me to play an out-of-context drop of myself. But I don't know where that is in the emails. And they sent this message a couple months ago. Right. I can't find it. I have no idea. But if they resend that email, maybe I'll play it in the future or something. But in lieu of that, they asked for this show. So thank you very much. Danielle had a great idea for a shout-out. But Dan and Jordan didn't listen. And now you're all stuck with this stupid shout-out name. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Don't honk your mouth and tell it. You're brilliant. Someone,

someone, Sotomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. And I'll play, I'll play that clip if we get to get to it. If I understand correctly, were they, was that referring to if you decided not to play the clip? Then they would be like, well, this one would be good. Yeah. Here's the name if you don't want to do this. That's, I mean, a subtle dig at you in, that's fantastic. Sure. I appreciate it. Sure. But it also could be, you know, it could be if this is too much of a hassle. Sure. Sure. Absolutely. Anyway, sorry about that. So we got this episode to do and I

want to say a little tease. And that is that if you stick around till the end of the episode, we will have a new song by DJ Dan Arte that we forgot to play earlier. We're great. We're great. You know what? It's, it's one thing to just like, yeah, we kind of forget things, you know, but when it's like a couple in a row, it doesn't feel great. Okay. So there is, and you know, you and I both have strenuously avoided this, but there are reasons people have other people work on things. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. A lot of other shows have staffs. There are people designated to remember things. Right. That's crazy. Yeah. Never going to happen with us, but looking over at the other person who works on this show,

so could maybe get a planner or something. Well, that's probably a good idea. Anyway, there'll be a new song of the highway men mix by DJ Dan Arte. It's great. The episode, but here we go. We're going to start and we start on the 12th and actually we don't have any clips from the 12th. It is a boring show. Nothing happens. I couldn't find anything to grab on to. Alex is killing time. Sure. It is not even interesting. But there's a commercial that I heard on that episode that I thought was worth bringing to everyone's attention. Okay. Oh my I can't believe I got these drugs prescribed for free and shipped overnight to my door without seeing a doctor. Yes, it's true. For a limited time, our doctors are prescribing drugs for free.

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you need to call 1-800-615-7094 now. Yeah, so Alex was advertising for a drug shopping kind of thing. Like, look, it's one thing. I don't know. Actually, I'm not going to try and catch this in anything. It brings up like muscle relaxants, painkillers. Yeah. Like these are some dangerous things to be taking outside the supervision of like a doctor's care. They list Soma as one of the things that- Oh, that's great. Yeah. Good. I mean, no, when you're on a commercial, the one thing I'm listening for is if you're reinforcing once more, just so you know, we have speed and dick pills, I think we know what people are asking for, okay? Yeah. And there's like, hey, we're only going to be doing this for a while. Right? That's insane. Get your drugs now. What is this? The Wild

West? This is a, come on down to get Dr. Jyn's tonic. It's going to solve all your problems today. I mean, this is a mess, but it's also, there isn't, there's an element of it that is just deeply unethical. Yeah. No, this is, this can't be legal. Right? I don't know. Was it legal in 2003? Look, I don't know enough about the law. And I assume that it is. I assume it- I mean, somewhere it's legal. It must be, there's some sort of a loophole or something. Sure. Sure. You know, I'm not, I'm not saying that there's Alex should be arrested or these people should be arrested, but he should feel terrible. Like advertising for the, I mean, I think that it's even dicey to advertise like gambling stuff. Yeah. I think that's a little bit shady. Yeah.

I think, I think even, I mean, maybe I'm more anti advertising than a lot of folks, but I understand people taking ads for, you know, something that could potentially be dangerous. Sure. But like this is, Hey, do you want free access to medications that could potentially completely destroy your life? And I'm Alex Jones, somebody who hates pharmaceuticals. Right. I think that every shooter is somebody who's on brain control meds. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Don't take psychiatric drugs. Take speed and dick pills, preferably together and with alcohol. But from my, from my impression of that call, you can get psychiatric meds too. Oh, of course you can get anything you want from that place, which again is a problem.

Yeah. I mean, hindsight's 2020, but if I was listening to that, sorry. I don't appreciate eye jokes because I'm blind. I have a cross eye. It is so clear. Like, oh yeah, the opioid crisis is 100% common. 100% common. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think, I think that if you're Alex Jones, there's like, there should be a point at which like, I understand that this ad is probably run through Midas resources or Genesis. Sure. You know, like this is Ted Anderson's fault. Yeah. But if I were Alex, I would put some sort of standards in place where I'm like, no, you don't do this. You're going to get, you're going to run the risk of getting our

audience addicted to pills that will destroy their lives. Well, they maybe don't need them or... I mean, Dan, that would only make sense if they were operating under similar rules as like a, as like a drug dealer of some sort. You know, like they would do something like say, oh, the first taste is free. And then later on, whenever you came back to them because you're addicted to it, you wouldn't get it for free. But clearly that's, wait a second, Dan. Well, they're not going to be shipping them for free for long. Yeah, that sucks. Yeah. So yeah, the 12th is a Friday. So the weekend comes and goes and Saddam got captured over the weekend. And so on the 15th, Monday, they always do a dues dump on the weekend. Yeah. Cause you know what,

uh, yeah. So, and, uh, you, I was trying to find a way to connect this to like, you always get fired on a Friday. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. But Alex comes and get fired at on a Friday. Alex comes in on, on Monday. Yeah. And here's where he's at. I mean, at least he doesn't beat around the bush. He just gets to the news. Hello, my friends. Welcome to another live edition of the Alex Jones show. I'm shopping at the bit to comment on the supposed capture of Saddam. I was in Houston, Texas Sunday morning after success. Yeah, that's the way you do it. And John Carpenter's, they live at the local movie theater there. Great seeing everybody. And I got up that morning, turned on the television, something I rarely do these days. And they were

announcing that they had captured the rat. They had the ace in the hole. They had captured Saddam who's saying the day before, and they were announcing it to us. The governor of the American governor of the territory of the holding was saying that we have done it and some Iraqi journalists about 10 of them jumped up and started hooting and hollering and praising this development. What a, what a monumentous weekend. I mean, first of all, you had Saddam getting captured. Sure. And then Alex was at the Alamo draft house. Yeah. And he did his, his movie screening. Yeah. Yeah. I have to say that I think Alex is a little bit annoyed that Saddam got captured because it kind of makes it so he can't just talk about the, the show and how much of a success it was. I mean,

I'm assuming that Alex would be annoyed if he had gone down on the plane with the big bopper and wasn't given head billing, you know, like that kind of thing. Alex would be very frustrated if he lost any clout to anyone. Wait, wait, you're saying that he would be upset if he was on the plane with the big bopper as opposed to with buddy Holly. Well, whatever. I'm backwards. My bad. I'm backwards. The only reason I break it up is because it runs counter to the argument that you were absolutely the complete opposite. It's been, I believe it's been a long day. I understand. All right. Mistakes were made. It's tough. It's tough out there. It's raining in Chicago. That's the problem. I got a bum knee. It's all there. And the rain exacerbates that

knee. It's as we know from far side cartoons. It's really true though. It hurts. So we don't really know what Alex's vibe is yet here. You know, there, he's kind of saying the supposed capture, but there's not really a sense that he's like, this is fake or anything. And that continues. There's been so many false reports of captures of other people. I thought we go over this today. I don't know what to believe. Interesting. And we're going to open the phones up early in the show. And yes, we'll take dozens and dozens and dozens of calls today. Wide open phones on the show. What do you think's happening? Your chance to respond. I don't know. He doesn't know. It's kind of refreshing to hear Alex just saying that he has no idea what the

reality of a given situation is. You'd never hear him show that kind of weakness these days. But in the past, Alex's brand was being a smart truth teller. Not that he's a prophet ordained by God and given a divine revelation and a guy who can also see the future. That's a good point. His image can sustain a little bit of uncertainty in 2003, which is just kind of like a normal person. Well, I mean, not knowing things is actually one of the most, one of the strongest things that a truth teller does. Sure. It's not no things. Right. Yeah. It's a wise man admits when he doesn't know things. One who speaks does not know. Exactly. Yeah. Jefferson. No. That's okay. Close. I was close. So that being said, all that being said, Alex is not being above board here.

On the surface, he's saying that he doesn't know what to think, but he's very clearly trying to imply to the audience that they should think that the capture of Saddam was fake. All the external context that he adds to the coverage serves only to justify coming to the conclusion that it was fake. Alex points out that other captures have been fake before, which is supposed to make the listener feel like deciding Saddam's capture was faked is a more rational act than you would normally think. You may notice that Alex is not doing this kind of insinuation in the other direction, providing defenses for the listener who may be inclined to think that the capture was legit. That's because there is a conclusion Alex is driving at, even if he's trying to hide behind

pretending that he's clueless. And I don't know what to think. Sure. I mean, it's it's obviously more likely for him to lean towards it was fake. I mean, that's his bailiwick, you know, on the day to day. I'm a little confused as to why he's not in this one. You know, in this particular situation, I feel like with the knowledge of Saddam's doubles all over the place, you know, everybody knew that was going around. You have a you have a fairly good shot at least for a few days of being like, I don't think it was him. They have to prove it. I think they're faking it. Well, I had a couple of thoughts about that. And we'll we'll get into that a little bit as things go along. But also interestingly, there is not really any inclination towards the doubles

and stuff, even though he does bring up that there were doubles. He's pretty insistent that this is actually Saddam. Interesting. Yeah, because he he was saying that some other time in the not too distant past, some other picture of Saddam was a double. He has a lot of ideas about whether or not Saddam's neck is thick. Sure. A very pressing question for him. I do believe he measures people's neck thicknesses by thickness of neck. It's critical. It's a stack. It's a saying in his house. Oh, that man has a real thick neck. Yeah. So Alex continues to pretend that there's like, I don't know what's going on here. I know this though. That's Saddam they showed during the war with the glasses was not Saddam. The Israelis and Iranians and others looked at it

and said, that's not Saddam. I could look at it and tell you it wasn't Saddam, though it was a better body double than the fat guy that they claim has been laden two years ago. Remember that video, the fat guy in the dark room that looked nothing like bin Laden had a nose twice the size of bin Laden's. We know that was fake. We know that the Pentagon has planted hundreds of fake letters from troops in newspapers with false signatures. We know they've lied to us about mass graves and mobile weapons trucks and uranium from Niger. We know that they've planted false news stories of impending terror to quote great hysteria. We know the Jessica Lynch story was a quote fable. So I don't know what Alex is doing here is teaching his audience how to argue a point while

knowing nothing about the actual point you're arguing, leaving aside the dubious nature of some of the points Alex just listed off, even if all of that was totally true and accurate, none of it would prove that Saddam's capture wasn't real. Right. At best, the argument he's making could conclude that the globalists are capable of faking something, but that doesn't mean that they did. The goal of this style of argumentation is to overwhelm the person you're arguing with. It's a barrage of points that don't prove anything, but it's literally impossible for someone to respond to what Alex is saying in any satisfactory way. You see this kind of behavior a ton in social media comments. So it's kind of kind of makes sense that Alex would have gravitated

so strongly to that swamp. Here's how I would respond to it. Okay. I would ignore most of it. You should. Yeah. I would say of all things, if I recall correctly, Osama had a bit of a hunker. I wouldn't choose the size of his nose to measure. He had a large nose. Right. There's nothing wrong with that. Or give him a that's not a nose. That's a banana. Exactly. You look at the man, you know, like, come on. If you guys gaining weight, of course he gained weight. He used to be flying around and shit. And I was just sitting in a hole with his 30 wives or whatever. Well, I would say that you're not going to win going down that road. Your first instinct was better, which is just ignore all this stuff and stay on the point that you're supposed to be

talking about, which is the Saddam. What, what do you know about it? And you're not, he's not saying anything. Right. Right. But that's why I feel like we need to get to the bottom of this Osama thing. Cause he's not really saying anything about that, but I want to know what he thinks about when he sees Osama's nose, you know, like what is the size that is large or small in that picture? Do you know what I'm saying? Oh, I think I see maybe how you would want to have a good time arguing with Alex here, but I don't think it's a fruitful road. Well, fair. So the second goal of this kind of thing, this kind of argumentation is to make an argument without having to own the fact that you made that argument. Alex is arguing that Saddam's capture was faked,

but he has every ability to pretend that he's not. If you were to say that he's making that argument, he'd be able to weasel his way out of that by the point that I didn't say that. Meanwhile, Alex has been saying that Saddam fled to Belarus with his kids and a bunch of gold ever since he was ousted from power. So if you're a person familiar with the content and narratives that are active on inforars at this point, you would know that what Alex is saying is not, I don't know. He's saying basically that he wants to call it fake, but he doesn't have the right talking point to anchor that claim yet. So he's going to play dumb. He'll take a bunch of calls and hopefully one of them will make a point that he could use to strengthen his conspiracy, but make no mistake.

Alex isn't looking for information that'll help him arrive at the conclusion that the capture was real. If that was the case, then it would call into question so many of his other narratives about the Iraq war and that pieces would start to fall. It still needs to be fake in order for all these other things to be maintained. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's one of the things that is applicable in so many different aspects of life is that type of thing. When somebody says that type of thing to you, you know, the, I am saying this, but I'm afraid to take responsibility for it. There is no point in like trying to convince them of something. They have no interest in being convinced there. They're trying to get through this with what they have and intact,

you know, well, and there's a, there's a conclusion or an ending point that they're angling towards and that they're going to keep moving towards regardless. Yeah. You're not going to talk them in back from the, the leg. So much of this other stuff, this pretending to not really know and all this is, is a performance that kind of totally makes it seem more like Alex is doing a investigative process before he arrives at his conclusion that one way or another, something was fake here. Right. Right. Right. I don't know who did this, but it has the fingerprints of every Republican I've ever seen. So I'm just saying that they might be, you know, was Alex has a conspiracy here, shocking. And it's kind of a decent way for him to go in order

to maintain, like I said, a lot of those other trappings that he has that would intersect with Saddam being strategic flexibility, one might say. Sure. But like, you know, the, I'm thinking of it more like Jenga, like it's this pulling this piece out does not make everything topple. Right. Whereas if you were to say like, Oh, that, you know, everything that they're saying about this capture is totally accurate, then the whole, the whole tower falls, the lodestone. Yeah. This is what the Israeli intelligence has to say, which doesn't even go along with Bush. Interesting. Indications are Saddam was being held prisoner. That's from the debacle file. And that's exactly what I thought was driving back from Houston, listen to talk radio and the

propaganda and thinking about it. I sat there for an hour eating breakfast in my hotel room, listening to what they were saying, what they were up to, what they were doing. And I came away with that guy had been a prisoner and he was drugged. I mean, you know, when somebody's on drugs, he was on some type of depressant. That was clear to look like somebody hopped up on psychotropic as well. Or lithium. Yeah. So Alex has decided that the new way to go with it is he was a, he was a prisoner. He was held captive. Right. Right. Um, you do not know when a person is on drugs. If you're Alex, you do because he has discernment. I just feel like that's not, I mean, sometimes you know when a person's on drugs, true, but you do not know when a person

is on drugs as a blanket statement. You can suspect and maybe have cause to be a little bit suspicious. I'm going to throw this out there. Seeing somebody on TV after they have been in a hole for several days. Yeah. I don't know if you can tell if they're on drugs or one way or the other. Nope. I think that might be a bit of a biased circumstance. Also, I mean, I've not seen a study on this, but being in a hole for a couple of days might get you high as hell. I think it'd be, I think it'd be more effective than drugs at driving insane, at least. Yeah. But you see, this is a good way for all of the things that Alex has said already to sort of be recontextualized. Right. So when the, uh, when Saddam was ousted from power, there was the, he flew out to, uh,

Belarus, who's hanging out there and you know, what have you. Yeah. This can go along with that. It's like that was, we were wrong about that. The Intel was there, but they got double crossed. So they kidnapped, uh, Saddam and put him in the hole and they were holding him, uh, in order to be turned over in order to give the globalists a big boost for some sort. They put them on ice. I mean, I'm going to say even, even for Saddam, they would not have put him in what amounted to a coffin, right? As far as a prison goes, they would at least put him in a room. Well, yeah, you, yeah, but you hide in a coffin because you're trying not to be found or you don't want him to be found until it's time for the sure, sure. Okay. Fine. Fine. We're going to, we're going to hold

back until the time is ripe to reveal that we have been keeping Saddam in a coffin. All right. Okay. So, um, Alex, uh, he was coming back from Houston and he was listening to these talk radio stations discuss the Saddam discovery. And he decided, uh, I got to get in the mix here. I showed road to tyranny and, uh, another film at the movie theater in Houston, big success, great seeing everybody. And so I get up Sunday morning and I'm, you know, eating breakfast in the hotel room and I turn on the news at like nine o'clock, eight o'clock in the morning and there's Saddam captured. And so I watched that for a few hours leave and I'm driving back to Austin, three and a half hours, listening to Houston talk radio, Austin talk radio and San Antonio talk radio

and briefly Dallas. I listened to three local shows and part of a syndicated show. I called into three local shows on big, you know, 15,000, uh, 50,000 watt AM's. I call into them and I say, well, I just want to point out that Bush cut Taiwan loose. And so they, you know, they could be on their own, violating our treaty with them. China's a much greater threat, more abuse than, uh, than Saddam were thought of. Why are we talking about Saddam is quote, the next Hitler being captured. But, but, but not talking about how our government funded and created him. And they'd say, thanks for your opinion and hang up on me. So I'd call back and I'd go, this is Kevin. What they ought to hang that piece of felt and I think we ought to arrest anybody that disagrees

with Bush. Alex, why are you calling us? Get you right on. And they would put me on the air and I'd suddenly switch back to my regular, you know, Alex Jones and I'd say, uh, I'd shift out of Kevin, you know, we put Saddam in power and told him to invade Kuwait and call him to attack. I ran and, uh, you know, he is a thug, but compared to all these other people, he's nothing. And the say what say that they want, uh, you know, wanted to have tears, excuse to get the oil that Saddam wasn't a threat. Dick Cheney wrote that and the host would hang up on me and go, how dare you say you were for the president or for this and then come on and do that. You lied. But by them doing that, they showed they were censoring the calls. We've heard Alex yell at some people about lying

about their calls to seem like that. I guess he's, uh, you know, he's condemning himself here. Sure. No, I don't believe that this happened necessarily. Doubtful. Uh, but it's fun. It's a fun story. Uh, but if it did happen, sure, which again, I don't think this happened. No, but if it did, I think a more likely explanation for all of the things that Alex is describing is that the people who are producing a radio show had enough callers who maybe had the perspective that Alex in his own persona had, or they got the sense this isn't going to be a good call. This person's going to be a pain in the ass to talk to. True. I don't want to talk to this person possible. Whereas his, uh, sort of yokel character that, uh, is like, I think that everybody should

be hanged. Right. That's like, okay, maybe this is somebody who we don't have this voice calling in some entertaining. Yeah. This'll give us a new fresh voice. Come on, people. You got to stay listening. Right. There might be a higher demand for that than whatever Alex is bringing to the table and they're trying to do a show. Sure. So maybe that's what, uh, maybe that's a part of it. Let me pitch you on this. Hold on. Okay. This didn't happen. No, no, let me pitch you on this. Okay. So Alex calls in and they're like, you're Alex Jones. Of course we can't put you on there. And then Alex calls in doing his Kevin character and then they go, hold on. I'm going to have to put you on hold. Holy shit. Alex Jones is trying to do a fucking character.

Are you shitting me? We got to put this guy, we got to put him on. If he does the character, it's going to be fucking great. There is an angle of that that would be fun. But again, did not happen. Absolutely not. But that is the way that I would believe it happened. Had it happened. Yes. So Alex gets a little bit more into his Saddam kidnapping theory. And it looks like they were keeping him on ice to then bring him out. He looked drugged. He looked like he'd been beat up. He had swelling all over his face, which the Israeli consistent with being in a coffin for a while. The last few months because when you've really been savagely beaten, all the bruising doesn't go away around the eyes. There's there's still a general puffiness

raised. You can see some new scars on his face that weren't there. And he looked like he was hopped up. And in fact, everybody was saying that man, he looks like he's drug. So you look at that, you know, I found out from a high level Bush administration official that I cannot name a lot of them live here in Austin that on Air Force One, Bush senior brag that they've got been laden dead from kidney failure. Part of an agreement with his family and plan. I've been sentenced for two years plan to roll him out right about a month before the election. I don't think that's a Bush administration person. I think that's Steve Steve Pachanik. That sounds right because I do know that their first interview and I've not been able to find this as audio or

video. But I have read the transcript of Steve's first interview and it appears that they hadn't spoken before and that is in 2002. Wow. So they they are in each other's lives, but maybe not like super close. Sure. He's just getting an email every now and again from Steve saying absolutely insane things. It's possible. But the kidney failure, the Marfan syndrome thing is is a Steve Hallmark. Right. And so there's there's a part of me that thinks like that's that's what Alex is trying to obscure with the Trump or Bush administration figure. It just occurred to me that people used to text conspiracy theories to each other on T nine. Like if you can you imagine flipping your razor phone open and typing out like a long series of like here's what the Bush family

and I would be furious if I got charged by the text. Oh my God. That's brutal. Eating up my plan here man. One one one four four four five six six. Yeah. It's no good. Those are the days you kids don't know what it was like back in the day trying to pill people on a flip phone. You all have it so good. Oh my God. That's so funny. That's why they would use like like newsletters and far more convenient. So Alex is like really trying to leave the perception that I don't know what's going on here could be anything. Sure. But he's very clearly trying to argue that it was fake. I mean the guy's been beat like a ball headed step child. The guy was hopped up on something. They probably dropped us

some knockout gas in there five hours before that a seven eight hour timing. They went in there hauled him out took him to the Baghdad airport stuck him up there in front of everybody. And then there's the question of body doubles because they admit he had 10 body doubles. And I'll tell you he looks like the real Saddam that guy they put up there with the glasses on TV different bone structure different nose different lips little chicken neck. Saddam had a big old fat neck. That was not Saddam conclusive evidence mixed in here. And they could have lost weight from being in a coffin tested his teeth. It's him. How did he know that just a few hours after they announced it. They didn't. There's no proof of that. So Dan rather trying

to allay your concerns after all these staged arrest after all this stage business. I don't know. Alex is making a ton of arguments for why this is a fake capture and he's attacking people like Dan rather in the mainstream media for reporting that it was Saddam who was captured. Right. It could not be more clear what Alex's position is. But he's still doing the song and dance about not knowing what he thinks. And I think a part of that is that this position helps persuade listeners. If he comes out guns blazing yelling about how this is fake. He might be able to convince some or even most of the audience. But if he does it this way where he slow plays his argument and pretends to be neutral. Alex is able to walk the listeners to the conclusion while making it feel

like they were the ones who came up with it. This is a pretty solid manipulation tactic. But it's also requires a little subtlety. And I don't think Alex could pull this kind of thing off nowadays. No. But that is the real vibe that I get from the way that he's deploying his rhetoric. Yeah. You know I also have the sense that pre I am a prophet that knows everything and I'm always right about everything 100 percent of the time. Maybe he wants to he wants to go there right away. But he also has to talk himself into it a little bit. He has to give himself a pep talk on why he should give a full throat to this. You know it's very shortly after that. I doubt he's had too much time to think about it. Let alone come up with a solid plan for him. He found out

about it Sunday morning and this is Monday. He had plenty of time. I'm sorry Sunday morning and this is Monday. So he planned. No I'm saying if if you were somebody who you know used your time was that's that's where we're falling apart. You and I I'm saying all things being equal for a human. It's enough time to come up with an argument. Right. Right. We are accounting for Alex. It's not like he found out right before he got on air. Then you know whatever. Sure. Sure. Sure. I think I think that what you're saying though about him like trying to talk himself into it is kind of I think there's some merit to that. And that's the the impetus of like going to the collars. Yeah. That I feel like it's the I need to find where my handhold is here.

I need to figure out what narrative I'm going to be able to hinge this on. Right. I think there's that. And that's part of why he couldn't do it today is because today his character is all seeing profit. You know he doesn't need to talk himself into anything. He's seen it from God. Yeah. There there's a weakness to uncertainty in the present. Whereas in the past it does not it doesn't hurt his position and his branding. Yeah. To to have that. Yeah. Sort of uncertainty. When you start a cult you can doubt but when you get to a certain point you got to be all knowing. That's just how it goes. So you get some calls and they're mostly dumb and not really all that interesting. He does not necessarily get any any sort of thing to hang his hat on.

It's all like the tone stays fairly consistent throughout which is this is fake but also I'm hedging a little bit. Yeah. But some of the calls are kind of interesting. I'll kill ahead. And Pennsylvania your chance to respond with what you think is going on. Go ahead. Alex this one looks kind of sloppy because when they threw him in there you can see a specific direct indication of manipulation and insertion of theatrics when they say that he had Mars bars in there the red planet the god of war. That's a direct message there. You see their intent before the theatrics how they placed it and then the guy looks like and for those that doubted it sounds crazy. It's like leaving the skull and bones card at the sniper scenes. It's

like that on the one year anniversary of 9 11 the New York lottery 9 11 the Chicago mercantile 9 11. Right. So if Alex is responding to the caller this way then he's reinforcing the argument that the Mars bars being in the hole were a part of a calling card that the globalists were using that only the elect could could see the messaging of it. Furthermore those things have happened. So if you're comparing them to things that are concrete then that would suggest that so is this. It would have to be. Yeah. So that that kind of conversation is always like fairly revealing of Alex's actual like what he wants the message the audience takes away from his show to be. Right. I just I just can't get enough of I can't get enough of those solid foundational

arguments of. See they said this thing 9 1 1 and this person said this thing 9 1 1 clearly. I'm done. I've rested my case. Do you not understand. They both said 9 11. And even that's not really true. Nicholas Cage came up with that argument I believe. Alex takes another call and this person has something to ask about and actually I applaud. I applaud Alex for this. This is great. So I wanted to I wanted to ask you did you ever hear of Nacera before. Yeah it's not real. It isn't. No it's it's it's a it's a government propaganda piece that there's a secret bill that America is OK and there's patriots and Washington has already you know gotten rid of the Federal Reserve. It is total propaganda to make people

think everything's OK as they set up martial law publicly. Oh yeah. I just heard something about I looked at their website but I didn't I don't know what to draw on. I'm glad you know about it. Nessarra and Jessarra those are the two things. Those are like really popular in Q and on. Yeah I know those are like Proto Q shit. Yeah. The National Economic Security and Recovery Act is what that stands for. And then the Jessarra is just the global. But yeah it's like this idea that all debts are going to be forgiven. And like you know it's it's great for Alex to be like that's bullshit. Yeah. No it's very rare that there's something that is so beyond the pale that even Alex isn't even he's not entertaining. Yeah. That's just it is. It is just so fucking

weird to see him just be like nope. Bullshit. I mean even even tried a little bit with Q to be like oh that's bull. But even then he hedged it. Yeah. He would try to go up to run it for his own purpose. Exactly. And then even when he couldn't though he still didn't just go on and say like it's all bullshit. He was like oh they're right about some things he had to he had to do a little bit of a middle ground there. Now what's but I think that you can if you think about it for a little while I think you can come up with a pretty decent sense of why this has to be bullshit. And that is that it undermines his own conspiracies. Yeah. Like if this does exist then there is no reason to worry about the things Alex wants you to worry about. Right. And that is completely

anathema to his his space. Right. I mean it is it is still a similar kind of way of doing things like keep your keep your followers or whatever in stasis. You know. But in this situation it's in a stasis of like we're on the cusp of everything being fine. Don't do anything. Nothing you do can really affect the coming of this. Right. Nessarra. Alex wants you to be like the only thing you can do to stop Nessarra is give me money. And that's a different type of agent. Because I have to fight it. Yeah. Exactly. And this there's nothing to fight. Yeah. It's just it's waiting. Yeah. These these are a terrorist edging in in opposition to each other. So we have one more clip here. And I mean I think that Alex's take on this is basically

just what we've seen. It's obvious that he's he thinks it's fake. Of course. But the way he's talking about it has these these layers of dynamics. And I think that maybe this will develop more over the coming days back in 2003. And we'll see about that. But for now Alex has to be wrong about this. But remember the bath party is who's been put back into power. They've been very quiet about that. Amazing. The majority of those in power are high level bathists. Wow. I need to we need to go back and see what it was that we said at the very beginning because I wasn't sure but I think I jokingly said I bet he's just going to keep on saying it. Yeah. I think I did say that. I think I probably disagreed with you. Like yeah there's gonna be a way to shift things around.

But no just going to fuck it. I'm going to go with it in December 2003. This is still his position that the bath party is being installed in all the powerful positions in Iraq. Amazing. It's it's very disconnected. Astonishing. Yeah. What what a 13 year old me would have been like come on man. And it goes to show like how little the audience sort of cares. Yeah. It has to be or or whatever. Like that should be a glaring thing. This is a months long thing. He's wrong about right over and over and over and over and over again consistently. Right. The reality does not penetrate. I mean on the other hand it's not like they are necessarily I mean nobody in the states at that time was very well versed in like here's how you tell apart the bath party and you

know true. It's very easy for them to be like yeah but that is the bath party. What are you going to say. True. Not a pre invasion. And what is better cover for putting the bath party in all these positions than purging them and removing the bath party. Right. It doesn't get more brilliant to scheme that to remove the bath party in order to install the bath party. Yeah. So anyway Alex is right. Ninety nine percent. And has been since the beginning. Man. We so we come to the end of this and we still don't have the predictions for the coming year 2023 but we I'm on the beat. Yeah. We will of course soon as we know we will we will bring you those predictions so you can live your life accordingly. We've got we've got to have those. Right. Otherwise we won't know in

which month Chicago will be nuked this year. Yeah. We don't know if it's going to be a summer of rage a fall of rage. It could be a spring of rage. It could be a winter of discontent. Sure. All things are possible in this situation. Yeah. So we'll we'll keep you posted on that. But until we come back shortly we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledge fight dot com. Yes. We are also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fights. Yes. We will be back. But until then I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm thrilled to play this great new excellent DJ Dan Arkey song for y'all to enjoy. OK. I can't do the show. There's too many people in here.

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