Knowledge Fight - #766: December 16, 2003

Episode Date: January 13, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their viewing of Alex's coverage of Saddam Hussein's capture.  In this installment, equally dumb theories begin to develop both at Infowars and at Knowledge Fight HQ. Follow this link to get tickets to our upcoming live show at X-Ray Arcade on 3/3

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. I need money. Andy and Kansas, stop it. Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the earth, thanks for holding us. Hello Alex, I'm Mr. Tim Cullen, I love your work. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight.com. I love you. Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I'd like to sit around, worship with the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you, sir. What's your bright spot today? My bright spot today, Jordan, is I had some Wendy's. Okay. All right. Did we do a gig together

five years ago? Is that what just happened? What are you talking about? That's the last time I ate Wendy's was when you and I were. This is weird. You're expecting that to be a reference that's hot. I don't even remember that. That's fair. That's the laugh. Often I eat Wendy's. I remember doing some gigs with you and stuff, but I don't remember necessarily Wendy's being a huge part of it. So I went to Wendy's. Okay. I love Wendy's spicy chicken sandwich. It's a fantastic Sammy. Delicious. I enjoy the spicy chicken nuggets. They have good spicy chicken is what I'm saying. Fantastic. So I decided to go a little off the beaten path. Okay. They have a sandwich. Here we go. Okay. Like not bun. What? Yes. Hold the

fucking fried chicken patty garlic not bun. Yes. Fried chicken patty. Yes. Maranara. Okay. And a block of fried mozzarella. Like a mozzarella stick patty. What is happening? Yeah. What that's insane. That is a but that's a pizza sandwich. No, it's like a chicken parm kind of chicken parm but made into a like fast food sandwich from Wendy's. So good. It's good. It's good. Of course it's good. That's that's fucking that's of course it's good. It's a disaster. It's kind of like the famous bowl kind of like or the double down in terms of it's like egregious. Whoever conceived of this is a monster. Right. It was good. Right. Of course. I'm not proud. I think I think that's one of those like oh you can definitely trace evolutionary

science through that because you're like oh there's the only way that a that a body would appreciate this much fat is if 10 million years ago we were fucking starving all the time like that's the only excuse for why this sandwich works. Oh sandwich with a fried mozzarella stick chunk. So good. So good. What's your bright spot? My bright spot is well I mean it's been in the works for a while but it's nice to be able to say it publicly now. We are going to be doing a live performance. This is the first time hearing of this. This is the yeah I mean I was excited to tell you most of all we're going to go to Wendy's. We're going to go to Wendy's on the way there and on the way back. What fun. Yeah we're going to do a live show in Milwaukee at the X-ray arcade.

What? An arcade? Yes it is. It's a beer cave. It's a thing. It's a thing in Magic and the tickets will go on sale today Friday if you're listening to this at 10 a.m. Okay so actually a lot of people listen to this before that point so you're going to have to wait until the morning. You are going to have to wait. You shouldn't listen to this before 10 a.m. I think that's the lesson here. It's a gremlin thing. Yes you need to have at least three cups of coffee before you can listen to the show. Yeah so we're doing that. What date is that? March 3rd. March 3rd. March 3rd. I believe that's a Saturday. Saturday March 3rd. Yeah our show does not lend itself to a live show. That's why we haven't done many. Yes other shows do. Yeah I mean I

understand that people like podcasts and they like live podcasts so what is a podcast but two people or three people sitting around talking. Seems like it would make sense. Seems like people still enjoy that somehow but I feel very weird. I understand. I have a I have a bit of a discomfort about the like how uncomfortable it is to sit on a stage and press clips. I know but yeah we it's time I guess it's been a while. Yeah well you know we'll do one every now and again sure until we remember that we don't do those and it's also strange because I'm like what the fuck are we gonna cover. I mean I guess I was thinking like Milwaukee is a big beer city. Sure maybe you time Alex's drunk. That would work. I can't randomly find that though. It doesn't seem

to be in our power. We've covered some great drunk times of his but we've already covered them. Yeah yeah the problem the problem is I was pushing for the live show. It seems like it should go the other way right. You should be like hey I found a topic that would only work for a live show and then we can do one instead of me forcing you into state of panic and especially if I found something that was like oh this is relevant to a certain city we got to go there and plan a show in Tucson. We'll get there in two years. So yeah that'll be fun. That will be fun. It'll be interesting to see you know like we have a pretty dispersed audience. It'll be interesting to see what kind of a draw we could have in any place. I'm fascinated because it very well could be two tickets or

to be sold out at 1030. I have no idea. I feel like the problem for us is other people have audiences in places and I think we just have 10 people in every city in the entire world. But I think that other people who do shows also look at some demographic information or they have ads that help them geolocate and target audiences. That does make sense. We don't. The closest we have to that is me sending out buttons and I can generally tell you we should be doing a show in Scotland only. Yes. Okay. Australia and Scotland. Those are where we should go. If the mayor of Edinburgh is a walk we will go there for the key to the city. That is what we will do. Yeah sure. I'm with the key to Edinburgh. Any city in Scotland really. It really doesn't have to be Edinburgh. No it

doesn't. So Jordan today we have an episode. Indeed we do. So here's the situation. We've been waiting for the 2023 predictions and I got fed the fuck up. It has it's it's almost 2024 based on how long these predictions are taking. Listen Alex came back to studio on Sunday. So he was he was back in studio Sunday evening. Show sucked. Yeah they still covered in twigs and stuff from the woods might as well. Right. Right. I'm listening. I'm trying to find these these these predictions. I'm not I'm not finding them and I'm becoming demotivated honestly. Right. Right. Even from a show perspective I'm becoming demotivated because I'm just listening to Alex do the same shit. It's the same COVID narratives just repackaged. Right. It's just a new someone on Twitter has

a new graph. Oh no. The same error is all of the other ones and now it's a smoking bombshell. That works. You know. Okay. Oh great. The bull scenario. He had the election stolen just like in 2020. Sure. And so Antifa communists. Antifa again. Well it's the communists under the sway of Lula. Sure. Who have false flagged taking over the capital in Brasilia. That makes sense because because the here's why that makes sense because when the Antifa did it in the United States that worked. Why wouldn't you do it again. Right. And I don't know. Like I said it's demotivating. Yeah. That is demotivating. I get you. And I found myself like cutting clips and I'm like well here's an episode. I don't want to do it. I just don't want to do it. Right. And so

so we're doing a live show and we'll see you in March. All right everybody. And then I just was like all right we're going back to the past. Okay. So we're doing 2003. Good. We're going to talk about December 16th 2003. All right. And hey we're going to get a little bit of the fallout of Saddam's capture. Sure. Of course that was where we last left off in the past. Right. He was in a hole. Right. So there's some interesting things to be learned on that front. How that conspiracy is going to develop. And we'll get to that. But before we do let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh that's a great idea. So first Matt the facts are there but no one even cares. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy

wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Chloe binge listened to all the formulaic objections and now her girlfriend thinks she's objecting to her form in parentheses. She's mad. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next just a little titty baby. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Why am I being so? Why am I being charged so much to live in your brain when everyone else gets to live their rent free? Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. I'm guessing that has to do with norm. Yeah probably who's been tweeting about how he's on a six month vacation. Good for you norm. Good

for you norm. Next. Hufflepuffs for trans rights. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next caracot. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Next Emily, Frankie, Son and Scott Squatch. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. I would watch that show. Yeah. Yeah. And Deimos and an Aussie man. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Deimos and Aussie man. Or Damu maybe. Damu that could be so. Also just wanted to say a nice bit of feedback. The Sebastian Murdoch's article in the Huffington Post came out this morning as we were recording and some folks have said some very nice things

about, hey, you reached out to Dan. I have read Alex's texts with Tucker. Yes. And I think that Sebastian's got a good handle on that. So good work over there. And good job, Sebastian. Also, it's fun to be friends. So we're gonna start here and here's where Alex is at. Vis-à-vis Saddam Hussein. It's Tuesday, the 16th of December, 2003. I'm Alex Jones, your host. We're gonna be live here the next three hours. We will talk more about the whole Saddam Hussein situation and the latest developments here politically with that and take your calls and get your response, your insight, your take on it. We haven't had Paul Joseph Watson of PrisonPlanet.com, my webmaster and researcher on in a few weeks. We've got him coming on in the second hour to talk about

the Saddam situation and of course, mainstream headlines that MI6 may have been involved in the murder of Princess Diana. Oh, shit. Wait, that... Oh, shit. Okay, hold on. Are these two things connected? No, but we got Princess Diana news. Got to bring in our British PrisonPlanet guy. Of course. We got the P-Dyer news. Yeah, I got you. And then we've got the Saddam Hussein situation. And I do think that it's probably the most worthless exercise to spend your time taking calls from Alex's listeners. What's your take on this? That was my question. What take could you possibly have? What good is it gonna do to helping you understand the situation, to talk to people who have been listening to you? Yes. Here's my take. I think he's not him.

It's a false flag. There are some interesting takes. I mean, they're not helpful, but they're interesting. We'll hear those over the course of this episode. But there's something that happened or something that Alex brought up that made me remember where we were in time. Okay. That made me very excited. Okay. Because I had forgotten about this. And look, I mean, Howard Dean, George W. Bush, doesn't matter who wins the election, folks. They're all globalists. The same agenda, gun control, open borders, more NAFTA and GATT. It's all the same stuff. At this point, Howard Dean was the front runner. He was the, he was the presumptive person who was probably going to be the Democratic candidate. Yeah, that doesn't do the yell until January. That was the last time

a progressive candidate really felt like we had a shot. That was, that was the one. And then he went, yeah, and that was it. We are a month away from that at this point. So now that's given me some juice to stay in the past. How's he going to cover Howard Dean screaming? I'm never, I'm never going to be such a scandal. I'm never going to be able to handle living in my lifetime. Having gone through Howard Dean just going, yeah, and his campaign fucking ending. To be fair, it was a pretty wild scream. It was a pretty wild scream. I will admit that I will. I will admit that we're going to get into the nitty gritty on that. We're going to dig deep into that scream when it comes up in January on Alex's show. But for now, there is something to the eululation of that scream

that is specific and unique. Oh, we're going to be looking at decibel levels. We're going to be looking at waveforms. Here's the dynamic right here. What is it about this that terrified the world? I think, I think what happened was he reached 8,400 Hertz and that was just too much for the old people. You know, they can't hear that high normally. And then he got that the end. Yeah. That's the way it happened. That's a good theory. Yep. So there are some people out there in the world who are questioning stuff about the Saddam capture. Yeah. Some of these people are weirdos like Alex. Sure. And then some of them are in the holes of power. Okay. Washington congressman questioned Saddam timing. This is out of the Associated Press, the Washington

Congressman who criticized President Bush while visiting Baghdad last year as questioned the timing of the capture of deposed Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington State, told a Seattle radio station Monday the US military could have found Saddam a long time ago. They wanted to ask if he thought the weekend capture was time to help Bush McDermott chuckle and said, Yeah, oh, yeah, the Democrat congressman went on to say there's too much by happenstance for it to be just a coincidental thing. An interview by Dave Ross asked again if he meant to imply that Bush administration time the capture for political reasons. McDermott said I don't know that it was definitely planned on the weekend, but I know

they've been in contact with people all along who knew basically where he was. It was just a matter of time till they find him. It's funny McDermott added when they've been having all this trouble, suddenly they have to roll out something later in that same article says quote McDermott in a telephone interview with the Associated Press called the timing of Saddam's capture suspicious, but said he was not alleging it had been intentionally delayed. Yeah, of course. Basically, he was saying, Hey, man, I'm just talking shit here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just I'm just talking shit. No, I mean, yeah, that was that's the one where it's like, if you're going to do that, that way madness, any, anything could be. Oh, it's so suspicious. The time the man was in a hole

for what months? Yeah, of course, the timing was suspicious. Finding him in a hole is always going to be suspicious no matter what time. Yeah, no matter what time. Now the other thing is so you have like this McDermott and you have some other comments from folks who are like, yeah, we're pretty close to finding Saddam, we think, you know, and this is turned into like them prescripting it, you know, letting you know ahead of time. Hey, we're about to find it. Right. As opposed to just being like, yeah, we've looked at some intelligence. We have some good leads. Yeah, we got some updates. Yeah, yeah, like any detective would give you. So he Alex is taking stuff like that and turning it into like there was for knowledge. And that means that they had

him on ice. Right. No, I mean, by that logic, anytime a police department catches a murderer, it's because they were the murderer. Whenever they give press conferences about how they have some leads that they're developing. Yep. They've been murdered. You guys been murdering out there. I see you. I see you. Alex has taught us to read the lines, man. It's helped us. Yeah, it's helped us a great deal. So look, yeah, there's some things that you need to consider about this Saddam character that they found in this hole. I heard he's a bad guy. Well, definitely. Okay. But you have to think about the appearance of this person. Right. He looked like he was in a hole. He did. And part of that was his big beard. Right. But also, maybe that beard was suspicious.

By the way, it's been pointed out that Saddam's beard. And again, the average person can grow a beard that long and about a year or longer. That looks scientific that twice as fast. You know, half an inch or quarters of an inch a month. He had a six inch beard, folks. He was supposedly videotaped a month after the globalist took over Iraq running around without a beard just with his moustache. So that's three and a half months. How did he grow that huge beard? And why is the beard gray right up to his temples? Because folks, I've seen a million beard. So if you if somebody's going to have gray, solid gray up to their temples, it's not going to turn black suddenly at the temple and right up to the top of his head.

But it's his hair is black with no gray in it. And then suddenly you get to his beard and it turns gray just instantly. I do not find this compelling. This is not quite the Zupruder film. This is a little bit less. Now let's assume a beard growth of two X gray and to the left gray and to the left. I don't know. I mean, I feel like I've seen those pictures. He has a pretty big beard, but also I'm somebody who always has had like pretty quick hair growth just in general. Oh yeah. No, you're absurd. I don't find it to be that weird that he had that big of beard. And also the I don't think it's that weird to have like salt and pepper areas. Absolutely not. And Alex is pretending that it's like a Santa white beard.

And then it's black up top and that's not accurate at all. And it's not like he couldn't have died something. No, no, no. You would have had the opportunity in the hole. It makes him it makes the most sense for him to die. Right. He's he's a guy who died his hair for sure. Like that's that's easy to easy to take that leap of logic there, but nothing in that is is convincing to me that this is wait. So what is the what is the ultimate end of this? Well, that's my question. It's not him. Right. I mean, like if you're saying that he couldn't have possibly grown a beard long enough, right in the time since he was last spotted, right, or whatever. Right. Then you'd have to say that either the person who you spotted previously isn't really

him or the person who they captured wasn't really him. Right. Those are the only two conclusions here or the one they captured was wearing a fake beard for some reason. Right. There is there is some crossing around of that possibility. Right. But that seems utterly insane of all the things for that man to do. Well, but they also like the people who captured him also shaved him fairly quickly after sure. Down to his moustache. Wait, they left him on moustache. Yeah. I guess that's polite. Sure. Is that polite? Yeah. Let him have his dignity with the most nice pose. I'm only going to pronounce it that way from now. I mean, that's the only way to pronounce it. So I'm noticing in December 2003, a bit of a consistent

pattern, a very, very strong trend that this happens every day. The lady that takes those orders down and sends them out to you from right here in Texas. She's Debbie Morrow and to tell you how the new black murky made America works. And what these systems can do for you is Debbie Debbie. Thanks for being on the show with us. Hi there, Alex. Thanks for having me. You bet. His water sponsor is on every day. The water filter people are on for a bit of paid programming every day. Looks like they put a lot of put more than 15 to 20 K doubt. Well, yeah. But again, it's clear. Yeah. It is clear that this is a sponsor. That's true. It is trying to drive sales. There is no deception about it, but boy is it every day. That's,

you know what? I suppose that's the real question there is at what point was it a point? Did they try it one time where they're like, what if we just don't say that it's brokered and then it never got bad and so they just kept doing it? Or did they like decide like, this is when we're going to stop saying that it's brokered programming or like, was it just random? Like what happened? Well, an interesting wrinkle from the Tim Fruget deposition stuff is that he wasn't around in 2003. He wasn't around this early. So this this time predates any of that that possible pay to play kind of dynamics that he would know about. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think that Alex has enough juice at this point to demand a fifteen thousand dollar no, no, no, absolutely not for no, no,

for an appearance. So, but I'm just saying it's pretty consistent. It's pretty regular and it's getting annoying. Yeah, I believe it. They don't have the goods. No, no, no. The water filters people aren't also brilliant improv performers. No, odd. So we had a beard conspiracy. Yes, a beard, of course. And now we have another ice bureaucracy. Watch on your mind today, Cliff. Well, you know, I've just been kind of watching these little videos they have on the news channels of this the buzz of the dime. And I think from looking at his mannerisms and this and that, no, that it might be him, but I don't know if they just found him in the hole. I think they probably had him. Do you know him well enough for his mannerisms? Well, here's the problem.

Number one, they admit he had at least 10 body doubles. I have government announcements from eight months ago where they're talking about number two Saddam, number eight Saddam, number seven Saddam, number 10 Saddam, number three Saddam. And so we say it looks like Saddam, that's because we've seen the doubles so many times, or is it really Saddam? Right. Then they point out that Saddam had dark black eyes. This guy has light brown eyes, brown eyes, almost green eyes. Okay. Okay. Look, what are we, what are we saying here? We're saying this isn't him, right? Right. It has to be. He has different eyes. He has different eyes. It cannot be him. He has different eyes and an impossible beard. That is it. So, so either he has got a fake beard and

contacts on or it is not him. And do you see the hand gestures when he speaks? Do you see the way he walks? This is not, I swear to you, I my wife, I would not be like, uh, that's not the mannerisms of my wife. That's mannerisms. I'm not going to try and identify somebody based on their mannerisms, especially if I've only seen them on TV. Well, no, these people intimately know Saddam. Intimately know Saddam? Yeah. So it seems, it seems like he always raises his right hand whenever he drinks tea, obviously. He's well known. Yes. Well known. In intimate circles. So you could get a sense that the point that's being driven at here is that it's not Saddam, but they're not saying that. They're not saying that, which seems difficult, but it's, it's hard to figure out what another

conclusion would be from these conspiracies and these pieces of information that they're pretending are important. I'm going to throw this out at you. Here's my conspiracy. All right. We know that Saddam has 10 body doubles at least. Sure. Right. So what if at a certain point of time Saddam went to each body double and was like, okay, I'm going to pick the best features from each one of my body doubles and then put them on my face to become the perfect Saddam. That's interesting. Now, what about this for a conspiracy? Saddam doesn't have body doubles, but he likes to play dress up as things that are very close to himself. Okay. Okay. Okay. So he's, he's like doing, it's like a Halloween costume of himself. Yes. And he really enjoys that.

And so in order to not look weird, everyone has to say that he has a bunch of body doubles. Like if Ken Griffey Jr. was on the reds and he went to Halloween wearing a Mariners jersey, that's, that's the type of situation you're talking about here. Maybe or with like just a slightly different nose or something, you know, like, or like, I don't know, eyebrows that are a little different or something, you know, he's just shaped a little white stripe and just a little difference just to see that was Saddam's quirk. Are you going to wear a, are you going to wear a Halloween costume this year? Maybe. My body double will be coming to the party. So everybody has to act like it's not him. Like he's his body. Oh my God. Oh, it's so good to not have to talk

to Saddam around you. Saddam's body double. You're so chill compared to him. He's uptight. So one of my favorite movies for many years, and I haven't watched it in a while, but I still, I think I still like it, The Waking Life, a great movie. I enjoy, I like movies where people are just talking, just a lot of talking. Yeah, it's a big talkie. Uh-huh. I enjoy sort of the, the lucid dreaming aspect of it. I like the kind of some of the ideas that are being thrown around or fun ideas to think about. And of course, Alex Jones is in it. Right. That is not quite on the top of your list. I don't know if it's the first time I ever saw Alex Jones, but it very well might be. It seems like it obvious. I remember the first time I saw Waking Life and I didn't see

the person in the car screaming and be like, that's Alex Jones. Yeah. So I wouldn't be like, uh, I wouldn't know his mannerisms. Right. At that point. Right. But he has probably the most uproarious segment in the, in the movie. There's a lot of scenes that are Wiley Wiggins just talking to somebody. Yeah. Yeah. And they're talking about like human psychology or, or stuff like that. And Alex is driving around with a bullhorn yelling about how humanity's going to make it cause they're too good. Yeah. And so it's definitely a different feel from the rest of the movie. Yeah. I remember seeing the movie when I was younger. Uh, and obviously you take note of the crazy screaming guy, but it wasn't until like literally,

I mean, into a few months of us doing the show that I was like, Oh shit, you're right. That was Alex fucking Jones in Waking Life. Crazy. Yeah. I saw it at the Ragtag Cinema Cafe in Columbia, Missouri. Back when, uh, it was a really like small fucking theater. They had like, uh, thrown together, uh, secondhand chairs for the, yeah. That was your indie movie theater kind of place. It grew a bit, uh, towards the end of my time there. And I'm sure it's still, uh, you know, what else? Like it grew to the point where it had like a full bar and everything. But yeah, at this point, it was just a room, just, uh, just a church basement. Yeah. And so that's where I saw Waking Life. But anyway, Alex, sure, maybe one of the,

is seen stealing, uh, situation. No one's going to argue. Um, but here, here's what he has to say about his, uh, star turn and Waking Life. And it's like you said in the Waking Life, it's all a big buffet of lies and I'm not eating it. Yeah. Well, thanks Alex. You're doing a great service to the country. Hey, I appreciate you, my friend. Yeah. For those that don't know, you know, I never tried to be in a Hollywood movie, but it was a Fox searchlight production. And the director called me up, uh, or Richard Linkler and he said, Hey, you want to be in a movie? And, uh, they, they say, according to, uh, the news article, whose article was it? It was that, uh, Ebert guy that, uh, my, my, my scene at the film festivals would get standing ovations.

I know what they did here in Austin when they showed it, but that, that was a lot of fun being in that movie. And yeah, it's my best rant ever, uh, in that film. And it's got Ethan Hawke in it and a bunch of other people as well. But I want to get off into discussions of movies. It is debatably his best rant ever. Um, I mean, yeah, uh, yeah. Um, but also like, I just, I find it difficult to imagine that that would get standing ovations at festivals or theaters for a couple of reasons. One, it's in the middle of the middle of the movie is a big problem. Yeah. Second, I think that the crowd that's drawn to waking life, uh, is not going to necessarily be the kind of crowd that gets riled up. You know, it's, it's a snooty kind of maybe, uh,

uh, calm, intellectual type audience generally that's going to be attracted to a movie where, Hey, what happens in it? People talk to each other. They're most violent tendencies, 10 towards the scathing word. I would be one might say I would be more prone to believe that you'd get a standing ovation for the scene where it's Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy reprising their characters from before sunrise. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I believe that. 100%. I believe that. Yes. 100%. That seems to be, or the speed leverage scene. Like that's going to be more likely to get to the standard ovations of my crowd. Uh, bunch of, bunch of dorks. And I say that, uh, and with all kindness, I was going to say, you, you would be in there.

You would be hanging out with them dorks. Yeah, probably. Yeah. So anyway, we get some calls, some more calls. Another guy's got a theory. Casey, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Go ahead. Thanks, Alex. God bless you. I appreciate your call. What's on your mind? Um, well, I just like to caution everybody. First of all, when there's this many lips moving about any subject, there's something funny. And, uh, you know, all these down with them to me, I think that none of them are him. I mean, they're just playing a shell game with these photographs. If you look at the ones that they just showed with the beard and the one without the beard next to them, it looks like that face was built around those eyes. Okay. Well, let me say this.

There's no real discussion other than Dan Rather saying hours after the announcement Sunday morning that this is him. We've done DNA testing. We've proven it dental records. Then it came out. The government never said that. So Dan Rather was just making that up. Uh, and his lips were moving. Yeah. His lips were moving. And then we add to this all the lies they've told us in the past. This is, this is fun. Here's a new conspiracy. There is no Saddam. There's only body doubles. No one's ever seen the real Saddam. Yeah. He's like Blofeld. He died 82. Yeah, exactly. It's only been body doubles since then. Kaiser goddamn. So say is what's going on here and to check in on what Alex is saying here. They did take DNA samples when Saddam was captured and he also

straight up just admitted, uh, that's why not at that point. Yeah. Yeah. By December 14th, the president of the Iraqi governing council, Abdel Aziz al-Hakim had announced that the DNA tests had confirmed that Saddam was in fact Saddam. That was two days before this episode that we're listening to. And Alex is saying that it was just Dan Rather making stuff up. Just Dan Rather making it up. Yeah. You know, you know how old Dan used to be. Come the fuck on, Alex. I, I've never been able to get over there and it's a macabre thought. It's a macabre thought, but I've never been able to get over the idea of somebody just knowing where Saddam was and then just being like backing up a giant trailer of dirt and just dropping it over there and just

being like, I never seen the guy. No idea where he is. And then we just never find him. You were right. That is a macabre thought. It's a macabre thought, but it's like the idea of never finding Saddam because he was in a whole underground that somebody almost accidentally just paved over is insane to me. Yeah, but you kind of think that eventually that story would come out. Sure, it happened. Or he told eventually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You never, I don't think you'd ever be able to, to be a legend that will never be sold. No, I know. It's, but I mean, you know, it's kind of like the, that modern version of. D. D. Cooper. No, when they found King Charlemagne's bones in like in like a parking garage in the, in the UK or whatever it was. I don't know if it was Charlemagne

or whatever, but it was, it was an old like 600 AD kind of. No, no, no, no. You misunderstand. They found a bootleg copy of the Steely Dan song. Charlemagne the God. Oh, okay. My bad. My bad. We went for Charlemagne. That's the way to do it. That's a good song. Yeah. Maybe let's not go crazy. So there's some big news man on the legislative front. Okay. We know that Alex is opposed to the Patriot Act. He's opposed to Patriot Act two, which didn't exist, but apparently it does. Oh, no, it does now. It got signed. Oh, no, I signed Patriot Act two this weekend. Did you know that? I just learned that from Ron Paul yesterday and never even got to it. That's coming up upon watching. I find it completely impossible to believe that Patriot

Act two got signed. Alex forgot to get to it on yesterday's show. Hey, listen, you know, sometimes we were busy. We were talking about other stuff. One of the most singular obsessions of my show is, I just forgot. No, but that's how that's how many body doubles of Saddam there are. That's why they caught him when they did is so they could sign Patriot Act two without Alex having the time. That would be the exact conspiracy you would go. It's right there. It's on the table and it's not really that's insane. Yeah, that is that is really strange. So we got a caller here and he has a he does some street team work for Alex does promotional work. Okay. And this kind of bummed me out. Let's talk to John in Texas. John, good to hear from you. Hey, Alex, how you

doing? Fantastic. Good. First of all, God bless you, man. I listen to you all the time and I print out stuff from various websites and yours, including yours in Prison Planet and I handed out to people when they don't give me and they inevitably get really quiet. Yep, they do. They Yes, they do. He is presenting this like a Oh, I stunned them into silence with my truth. Maybe there's like the end of us communicating. Yeah, they get real quiet because they don't want to talk to me anymore to be ever again. Yeah, they get real quiet. I wouldn't tell the story this way. No, no, no, no, no. I mean, that's that's a little bit like, okay, I wore my I wore my clan outfit to the BET Awards and they got real quiet real quiet. Like, well, yes, they

did, sir. Ask yourself why. Yeah. Yeah. So Paul Joseph Watson comes along and he joins Alex for a little bit. They end up taking some calls together, which we'll get to. But he also has a warning to the people who are speculating about Saddam. Paul, what's your take on the situation? Well, first off, Alex, I think a lot of people being led up the garden path on one issue and we need to sort of amputate completely a line of inquiry that is serving as a distraction and there's a lot of disinformation on it already. And that is the, yes, it is the real in inverted commas. Saddam who's saying it's not a double and I've been receiving dozens of emails saying, you know, compare the nose, compare the years. Stop telling me it's not him. It's him.

I know it's him. It's the same man and some are saying that you can't do a DNA test that quickly when in fact, if you have everything prepared before and then you can finish a DNA test in 12 hours. So we said Paul was, is that we know he had at least 10 doubles. So it's okay to ask that question. Yeah. And that's all we're doing at the moment because as I said, I mean, expect something to come out a major smoking good in the next three weeks or so, which will confirm it either way. But yeah, so Paul is saying that we need to amputate this line of questioning about it being a different person. Cause this is Saddam and it's nonsense. These people who are questioning all this stuff. And also you can do a DNA test that quickly, basically debunking all of the things

that Alex has been saying, everything that Alex himself has been saying. And then Alex is like, Hey, now hold on. There's a bunch of body doubles. So we can make questions about this. And Paul's like, yeah, you bet you can. What are they even doing? It is, it is hard not to think like, well, I mean, you can ask question. Like if it was, if I was Paul, I'd be like, yes, you can ask questions. I'm giving you the answers. Yeah. After you get the answers, the question time is done. I'm giving you the answers to these questions. And I'm also going to tell you that continuing to go down these line of questions make you look like an idiot. And it seems like you want to continue going down these lines. Hey, Paul, did I tell you about his beard? Great. No, I get that.

I get that. But it is okay. Well, teleologically, we will end up in the same place. Alex, do you understand this? It seems like neither of them have much of a backbone in terms of like where they stand on these conspiracies. Paul comes in appearing to have one, but then gets cowed by Alex. Of course you can ask questions. And that's all we're doing right now. We're just asking questions. Again, there is an answer. It's Adam. It's him. It's him. Yeah. So we get another call. And this guy has some thoughts about taxes. Tom and Colorado. Tom, welcome, sir. Thank you. Good morning, gentlemen. Alex, it's a pleasure to talk to you. This is probably a little off topic, but I've only been a short time listener. You may have covered this in the past, but I was

wondering if you've ever done any investigation on our income tax system and the fact that maybe it does. Yeah, I've had former IRS agents, Treasury agents. They never ratified the 16th amendment. It's a private collection agency for the Federal Reserve. Ron Paul has said that. Yes, I've done about a hundred shows on it. Yeah. So apparently Alex is, you know, fully on the, they didn't ratify. How do they not ratify amendments? This is just a big tax protester conspiracy or tax denier conspiracy. Yeah. Yeah. So that's fun. He might as well, he's right in line with like sovereign citizenry. Sure. And the Fed was only passed by three senators and all of that stuff.

Wayne Paul would have, you know. Right. I would like a further explanation of exactly how the sequence of events occurred that an amendment to the fucking constitution was ratified without actually being ratified. Well, it has to do with like some weird technicality about like, ooh, the language is slightly, there's allegations of that. I looked into this a while back when like Red Beckman was on the show. Yeah, it's all nonsense. I'm so annoyed by that idea that that's the problem. That's what movies have done to people's brains is they've, they've, they've convinced them that there's a last second technicality that will solve all problems. Yeah. If you just think about it hard enough, aha, he couldn't have been there. His shoe was left

untied like it. That's all you need. All mystery shows. Yeah. Yeah. All cop shows. Yeah. Terrible. So Alex gets another call. And this guy, I thought was going in an interesting direction. I think you'll think that too. Don't get too excited. Kenneth in South Carolina, you're on the air. Go ahead. Alex, I might listen to you a great deal and I enjoy your broadcast. But the last time I called in, you said that unemployment in this country is 16%. And the official figure, when I read the Wall Street Journal all the time, I read investors. Yeah. Business daily. Those are the leading business newspapers. They reported just recently that unemployment is 5.9%. Okay. I said that they say unemployment

is 6%. That's right. Okay. But they only count who is on the unemployment rolls. When you go off the rolls, that's not put into the statistic. Can you hold me over? Sure. We'll talk about it on the other side. So this made me think that this guy is confronting Alex about his misinformation about the unemployment. Yeah. I mean, he reads the Wall Street Journal all the time. Right. They have told him the truth. And you can tell from Alex's response that he's getting defensive immediately because his understanding is that this guy is calling me out on my shit. Right. And so he knows I've got to defend myself. Yeah. Yeah. So they come back from break and the caller is agreeing with Alex. What? Alex himself is confused.

We're talking myself and Paul Watson. We're talking to Kenneth in South Carolina. Kenneth, when you heard the show the other day, I clearly stated that they claim unemployment's at 6%. But that even in the past, it's always conservatively double that because it's whoever's gone off the rolls. That is how they calculated. And the numbers I've gotten are 15 to 17% depending on what alternative economist you're looking at. I know on my street where I live, a lot of people are unemployed. A large percentage of people are taking two or three service jobs. And so in some of the statistics, they'll count a person working two jobs as two people employed. Is that a middle income neighborhood where you're living? Yes. Okay. Let me just put one more

question before you. Well, no, I mean, I'm glad you're asking the question. But I know this, unemployment is well above what they're saying it is. But you go ahead. Okay. I wanted to put, I used to work in the textile industry. And that was a, the textile plants were somewhere, if I wanted to go out, I could always get a job because there were lots of them in this country. Now we only make 20% of our textiles in this country. Why do people like Rush Limbaugh and he's echoing our government. They believe that these kinds of jobs are just expendable. And in the next five years, the remaining 20% of the textile jobs, they're going to be leaving. So why are these jobs just expendable?

Well, now I thought you were just learning with me about the actual unemployment numbers. I was. No, I wasn't. But I wanted to ask you a second question. Okay. It's confusing. You, sir, have juked where I thought you were not going to. Yeah, you broke Alex's ankles. Indeed. Well done. So look, I mean, there are other ways to calculate unemployment rates, you know, like there's, there's some that include underemployment and discouraged worker figures. And that number is going to be higher than your base unemployment rate. That said, that number, including, uh, underemployed people, discouraged worker figures, that was just under 10% in December

2003. So Alex is right that there are other factors that are at play in unemployment, but he's also exaggerating like he always does. I mean, it is, that's, that's one of those nitpicky arguments though, like, but like too often with baseball stats, you know, like you can, you can talk about wins above replacement average, but different people calculate it differently. Like there's the baseball prospectus graph and then there's this, there's all this stuff. And sure, you can nitpick on unemployment rate. Like what's the total unemployment rate doesn't tell you the total number of unemployed people. Well, because who gives a fuck about the total number of unemployed people, it's about the thing, you know, like what, that it doesn't matter if

you're arguing about the substance of the statistic, if you're not using the statistic for the point of what it's doing, right? Yeah. And you could arguably say that it's for people who are a part-time employed who are looking for a full-time job and or, or all of those things, but you could also include the people who aren't looking for a job that aren't normally counted for, you know, like it's all of those stuff. And at the end of the day, if you're using the stat right, war is going to tell you that Mike Trout is a really good fucking baseball player, you know, like I get you can get into the nitty gritty of how it's calculated, but it's going to tell you what it's good for by how it works. You know what I mean? Somewhat. Yeah. Yeah. I think I understand what you're

saying. There's no point in arguing over like, is it 5% or 10% percent? That's my, that's my point. Well, I think, I think that that is fair somewhat. But I don't, I also think that Alex is, if, if, like, you know, you have this base rate of about five and then about 10, including the sort of underemployed folks, and then you have Alex saying it's 16. Yeah. He's off 50%. That's an awful lot. So, I mean, it is a relevant amount that he's off from these, these people who are even including some of the factors that he's discussing. Right. I think that matters because he's somebody who's, you know, espousing these ideas and saying that he has access to the real truth. That's, that's what I'm, yes, that's what matters is he was throwing out a number that was bullshit.

And you can tell because of the real numbers having no, like they're not that close to that. Yeah. So, but, but arguing whether the actual number of unemployment, that's not what we're talking about now. Not necessarily. And I don't think that anybody who actually like, you know, cares about this stuff and, and, and deals with these numbers. I don't think any of them don't understand the difference between like the base unemployment rate and, and this sort of adjusted unemployment rate. Yeah. It's not like he's not blowing anyone's minds with this kind of business school isn't like the Wall Street Journal is like, we're going to send out a hit team to take out Alex. This isn't supposed to get out there. He's letting people know the secrets. So speaking of

hit teams, we get to Princess Diana and here's some big news. Let's shift gears into Princess Diana then into Masarov and the fake bombing activities of the Scotsman reports. Diana's death linked to MI six plot more than six years after the deaths of Diana and Prince of Wales and Dottie El Fiad. The questions surrounding the Paris car crash in which they were killed continue to grip public imagination. This just came out with some new developments. What's going on, Paul? Well, yeah, there was an article in the BBC as well yesterday, which basically confirmed the fact that Henri Paul, the driver of the car was an MI six informant. So there was this article in the Scotsman, but the only thing that it even claims is that Dottie

El Fiad's brother is claiming that the crash that killed Diana quote had striking similarities to an earlier MI six plot to remove Slobodan Milosevic. Okay, that's it. So it's Princess Dye and the Milosevic. Those are the two this one was used for. Gotcha. So the headline of this article is quote Diana's death likened to MI six plot, but you might notice that Alex reports that as quote Diana's death linked to MI six plot a little bit different. Yeah, little bit different. Those words look similar. And I understand you could make a mistake, but it's not a coincidence that Alex consistently makes this exact same error, reporting false versions of headlines in just such a way that can confirm his narratives. That's it's it's not a mistake. Also, Henri Paul

was not with MI six. And you should take note of the weasley way Paul is conveying this information. Saying it's basically confirmed means that it's not. Yeah, but he's trying to get across to the audience that it is confirmed. A former MI six agent named Richard Tomlinson had said that he'd seen files that showed that there was an MI six informant who worked in security at the Ritz Hotel. He never specified that this was Paul and it's never been corroborated. The inquest into these theories even says quote Richard Tomlinson accepted that some of this detail may be knowledge he's subsequently obtained from the media that he is mixed with his own recollection. Well, this is not concrete stuff. And this is maybe forcing a news cycle for Alex. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

but that's never going to go out of style. If the Roy if any royal family wants you dead, and then later on you turn up dead in an accident, it's never going to be accepted. Right. Fact that it's an accident. Right. You know, it's just not going to and I mean for our first live show that we did here in Chicago when we talked about the day after Breitbart died. Oh, yeah. We did end up talking a bit about Princess Diana and I went deep on that and I remember being a tough experience. Yeah. I didn't want to open that back up. Right. Right. Right. I understand. But I remember all of this is nonsense. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. But also fuck the royal family. I know. It's I mean, it's their fault. Yeah. They shouldn't have killed so many people in the past. So

we know in the present day, yeah, Alex loves Putin. But in the past, he knew a lot of things about Putin that he seems to not know anymore. Things that would make you hate Putin. And also, I would say that things these aren't things that he doesn't know anymore. It's he knows to not be true anymore. Which, you know, of course, there's the apartment bombings short of the 1999 bombings right that he did. And then here's another new one. Okay. Now, would you tell me what you said while ago you talking about Russian slave guards or what was that word? Okay, I got BBC. I got Scotsman. I got AP. I got Reuters. But Limbaugh or Hannity would never touch it. Our good little reform buddies Putin for three years in a row happens each year.

Time North Korea owes $4.3 billion last time I checked having to access that mental file folks a little bit of hesitation there. And to pay down the interest on their debt, they transfer 30 plus thousand slaves political dissidents via the Trans-Siberian Railway to mines and timber programs in areas all over Russia. And it's come out because a lot of these North Koreans escape because the Russian guards refuse to shoot them. They interview local Russians about how sad it is that they're starving to death. They work them to death. Putin has had a press conference three years ago. It's what really made news thanking Kim Jong-il who visited Russia for paying the debt with 30,000 slaves. So it's right out in the open poll Watson. Wow, it sounds like somebody

you probably shouldn't be cool with and support and think is I'm sorry. Is this true? Well, it's it's there's a little bit of truth and a little bit of Alex being sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. So there is a lot of laborers who go from North Korea and work in Russia. Okay, that is true. A part of this has to do with the fact that both are fairly isolated from international communities. Naturally. So there aren't other places where like North Korean laborers could go to work. Yeah, there is an issue. So there is an aspect of this that is migrant labor or somewhat. Hey, yeah. Now you also have Russia and North Korea and there is an issue. So there are very serious allegations of mistreatment of these workers and also of their wages basically

being stolen by North Korea. Yeah, so there is a number of people who have likened it to slave conditions. Right. Right. And so there is some truth to some of this. Right. I am not sure that it is the case that paying off debt with slaves. That seems I don't know. I don't know if I can get behind that. That one's that's the one that gets me, you know, like everything else fucking. That's what prisons do in California. Of course they do that shit. The actual government saying we're going to sell you these people for debt. Yeah, that's the one that I'm not sure of that. I'm not positive of as well. But if you're Alex, you know, I mean, that's a great story. Sure. But if you're Alex, you can't know that some world leader, yeah, is accepting payment

in slaves. There is that from North Korea and then be like, you know what, that guy's great. I want that guy. You know what? I want that guy in control of the access powers of running this world. You know, that guy is really what Trump should be, you know, and he's right to invade Ukraine. Yeah, man. He's the guy who's back. I want to get behind. That's fucking nuts. Yeah, it's weird. It's weird. These these awarenesses that you have at different periods for him. You just you just you just don't know where you're going to go the moment you start getting in with fascists, you know, like I'm sure whenever, whenever Alex started jumping on the Trump train, he wasn't immediately going, aha, you know where I'm sure this is going to lead me.

Justifying people overrunning the Brazilian cap. Exactly. You know, it just takes you down interesting pathways. There's something to be said for an interesting pathway. Sometimes you like, you know, this is choice A. And sometimes you can see what B and C are going to be. Yes. Oh, yeah. No idea. No idea where I was going to go. And here we are. I'm defending a fascist dictator. So Paul, he gets a question from a caller and they want to know like, Hey, man, the UK, y'all going to stand up. Good question. Y'all going to stand up and fight. Charles Louisiana. Go ahead, Charles. How are you doing, sir? Fine. I have a question for Mr. Paul. And do you think that people in England will stand up when the time comes if it comes? Do you

think they have the guts to stand up? Well, I think they have the guts, but they don't have the guns because we've been completely disarmed. So I mean, that's why the main focus of our website is on America because it's the last bastion of freedom where people are armed. And a lot of people are still informed as to what's going on. So I mean, England is basically a completely spineless, socially set bit, I'm afraid to say. No, not to be in the case for many years. So my main focus is on saving America and saving the world via, you know, that route because England England's basically gone at the moment. Save America, save the world. We spent, we spent $10 trillion on the Queens funeral because we're a socialist utopia. It's, you know, fine. I guess the guns are the

only thing that matter. It's the only thing that matters. Yeah. Also, I want, is that the same caller who makes all the tapes, he has that same kind of old man voice. I can't remember if that guy's name was Charles. He's not Louisiana dentures. No, no, there's, there's the other guy who makes all the tapes. You're right. You're right. There's a couple, there's a couple of characters at this period. Yeah. His, the thing is his accent doesn't, it's not strong Louisiana. You know, like he's got, he's got a light touch. You think it's more dentures than Louisiana? No, I mean, Louisiana dentures is Louisiana dentures through and through. This guy's accent is a light Louisiana. He doesn't have that hard. No, this guy, this guy sounds like a cartoon

character. He's got a little bit of it, but I'm not saying a Southern cartoon character. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So most of this episode, Alex has been boosting that Ray McGovern is going to be on. This guy was a CIA advisor analyst kind of fell out back in the Reagan administration related to George McGovern. I don't think so. But Alex takes calls with Paul, kills time, and then Ray McGovern finally shows up for like the last 20 minutes of the show. Ouch. Now Ray is a guy who's had some decent points over the course of his career. Okay. But he is also one of the founders of the veteran intelligence professionals for sanity. And so this is that group that also includes William Binney, Alex's buddy, the technical head of the NSA William Binney.

That's not good. Who's is most famous probably lately for being tricked into being a huge public advocate for the Seth Rich conspiracy theories. Yeah. That's his claim to fame at this point. What a great claim. And then also another one of the members of the VIPs as they are abbreviated to is Larry C. Johnson, who is a guy who fell for a hoax about there being a videotape of Michelle Obama yelling about whitey. Then he used manipulated audio to falsely accuse John Kerry of raping people while he was in Vietnam. Yeah. Then he used, he just made up a conspiracy about the UK intelligence community wiretapping Trump, which spread all over right wing media. Oh, I remember that one. Yeah. And that was repeated by Trump himself, but it was just complete bullshit made

up. These are profoundly unserious people that Ray McGovern has a group with. Yes. Yeah. So that is not great. Profoundly unserious people who have had a seriously detrimental effect on this world as we know it. Yeah. And I guess I wouldn't make their group. I wouldn't put sanity in the name of this group. If you put sanity in the name of your group, you're insane. It's, uh, yeah, I can't think of any other groups that have sanity in the name, but nope. Do you know why? Cause the sane person says putting sanity in our name is egotistical, egotistical, easy to attack. If we do something exactly, exactly. So Ray is on and it's not really that interesting of an interview, but yeah, there is one thing that happens that I wanted to draw

attention to. So that is the, the last clip we have here. There's an overriding rationale for this though. And, and that rationale appears in the documents to which you referred, the PNAC documents. And for those of your listeners to go on the web and type in project for a new American century. And the documents that will appear there are the ideological, the strategic justification for the policies that are now being implemented by the crazies, the war against Iraq and so forth. And you'll see in those documents the equivalent of Hitler's Mein Kampf. Now Mein Kampf was, was, was the strategic document that if anybody took it seriously, they could have seen what was happening. And people have not taken very seriously the documents of the project for a new American

century. Well, in the Rebuilding America's Defense in September 2000, Cheney says we need to legitimize the use of Ray specific bio weapons. So first of all, that kind of comparison being made is kind of embarrassing for McGovern. Yeah, I understand the point he's trying to make, but that document is not analogous to Mein Kampf. Second, neither of these dudes seem to be aware that the PNAC document is the same thing as Rebuilding America's defenses. They're the same document, yet these dudes are treating it like two separate things, which is weird. Third, that document absolutely does not advocate for legitimizing the use of Ray specific bio weapons. We've talked about this before, but this is Alex's complete misrepresentation and lie about a section in the document that addresses

areas of concern for US defenses that the writers feel should be rebuilt, rebuilding America's defenses. Yes, rebuilding is the that's where that's what it's about. In this case, they say, quote, advanced forms of biological warfare that can target specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a political politically useful tool. In context, this is clearly about the possible threats that could come up from hostile nations and how the US military needs to be prepared for these potential events. Fuck all the people involved in the project for the new American century, but the way Alex is talking about this is complete bullshit. Yeah, we've talked about this before, but it's deeply disqualifying for Ray McGovern's credibility

that he's nodding his head and going along with this clear misrepresentation of the text. The fact that he also doesn't seem to realize that the PNAC document is the same thing as rebuilding America's defenses adds to that credibility loss. And then when you tack on his comparison to mine comp, this just isn't somebody that I can take seriously. Yeah. And oh, wait, he's on info wars. I mean, the idea of claiming credibility that you don't that you can't back up is so crazy to me. Well, I mean, you know, like that's a genuine resume. No, no, no, he does have a resume, but the credibility on something like this that you don't know inside and out, like that is so scary. Like even when I was, even when I was working

fucking whatever job I was, any job, it's always like, I am not going to say I can do anything until I can do it. You know, I'm not even going to try and pretend I can do it. Well, I think, I think that the project for new American century document was so popular and everybody was trying to have their established anti Iraq war kind of sure talking points in, in, in place. And the PNAC document was really good for that. Yeah. And so you can just kind of point to it. And I think a lot of people kind of had a lazy attachment to, to that document as being proof that all of these people plan 9 11. Yeah. Well, actually, I don't know. It almost became more synecdoche for just the people involved in it. You know, like you point to the document,

but what you're really doing is pointing out shady. These motherfuckers are. Yeah. And actually, as I say that out loud, it's kind of interesting because McGovern's point in as much as this indicates an interest in like the war in Iraq is more sensible than Alex's use of it in terms of the like bio race, specific bio weapons, proving that they did 9 11. Right. These kinds of things are a bit more detached. So raise, raise use of it is a little bit closer to like, well, you're, you can have a conversation there. Yeah, that's true. But, but yeah, it is, it is more or less like a shorthand point to this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it makes sense in a, in a certain way to use it thusly though,

it's just the problem is when you think you know what is inside of it. That's kind of that. I think, do you think here's my, here's my feeling on how this should be though, like race specific bio weapons should be out for good after COVID, right? Like we've all seen how if you think a disease is going to be a thing, suddenly it's going to be a lot of different things, you know, like there's no way that you could really think of doing a race specific bio weapon without assuming that it's going to go absolutely ham. Well, here's, here's my thought. Yeah. Yes. But then also, um, that's a good thought. I think that most people would already think that. And then second, I think that the way you're saying that after COVID, it should be,

but I think that the ability of people like Alex to use it as an ominous conspiracy should be over after COVID, because he was saying that it was a race specific bio weapon. So like now it should just, that should be a dead narrative, a dead conspiracy theory. In some ways we should amputate that line of questioning, if you will. Paul, Paul said it best as it turns out. Um, so yeah, uh, I think this is really interesting the way that the, the Saddam conspiracy is going, because it's, you can see the gears moving a tiny bit, you can see Alex trying to get in on the like, what about that beard? How about those eyes? And then you have Paul coming in and trying to give an influence of like, let's keep it in, let's keep it in the territory where we can be respectful,

respectable here. Don't turn this into like it's a fake person or some shit, but Alex is drawn towards that. I mean, you see the dynamics because so clear and plays out in Sandy Hooks. Exactly. It plays out over and over again. What's, what's amazing about it is the, the, the like, the more trepidation that Alex has in like, I'm going to dip my toe into that. You're right, those eyes are different. Now there's only one conclusion that it could be if eyes are different, but you're not going to go that far just yet. Or if eyes are different, then you have to say that he has contact or something. Yeah. Yeah. You have to add new layers. But that's not an interesting conspiracy theory. If the eyes are different and your explanation is he's wearing

contact, why even bring it up? I wear contacts. Nobody's like, ah, see, we caught him. No, that's not how it works. I do think it's fascinating that there is kind of like the echoes of that relation between the two of them. Totally. You see in the crisis actors stuff. Yeah. Later. What a dynamic. Maybe people are just destined to be the way they are. I mean, you know, there's, there's something to be said for that. I didn't take you for a Calvinist, but predestination is the way to go. I'm not saying you're wrong. So Jordan, we'll be back. We'll check in on Monday with Alex in the present day. I'm giving up on ever really knowing what the, because here's the deal. I can't watch every single minute of the

show. It's too demotivating in the present day and trying to find these 2023 predictions. It's just, it's impeding my ability to have a sane mind. Yeah. And here's the deal. There is a section on Bantot video called Alex Jones predictions. No, no, no, no, no, no. There isn't a video in there of this 2023 predictions. He only has misleading videos about things he said in the past that he's retroactively trying to make look like they came true. He doesn't want to put his present predictions on there that are all going to be embarrassing. So yeah, you, you've fallen into the trap that you fall into ever so often and that is when you are looking for a specific thing. You're never going to find it. You have to go into, into your, your practice listening as a,

as a gestalt, almost like dispassionate observer, and then you will find where you, your curiosity, a thing. Yeah. Your curiosity will take you where you want to go. And that's the problem is that in the present day, there is nothing, there is no grip for my curiosity. Yeah. It is just constant bombardment with a dumb, angry dude yelling about the same shit over and over and over again. And the same things that are like, basically it feels like you're doing another lap around the same track. Whereas in the past, I think it's fascinating to see this stuff with Saddam and then also to be reminded, Oh shit, Howard Dean is coming up. I know. You know, there are things that my curiosity can attach to and that's why it's, it's so much less

demotivating even though it's equally full of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. It's just the presentation of it is not like crushing. Oh no. To any like sort of thought process. It reminds me of every time people are like, Oh, when Alex goes off the air, what are you going to do? We're going to happily retire into the past and then occasionally visit the present for whatever reason. Yeah. Or maybe talk about Tucker or we'll do something, but it will be, it will be a delight in most, if not all respects. I will, I will, I will find something to be curious about in the present for Monday or who knows. Fuck it. Maybe we'll do another deposition. Curiosity is curiosity. You can't control it. The mind wants what the mind wants. Indeed. But we'll be back until then,

Jordan. We have a website. Indeed. We do. It's knowledge.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. So dreamy, creamy. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.