Knowledge Fight - #770: January 20, 2023

Episode Date: January 23, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex and discuss his thoughts about the brewing conflict between Steven Crowder and the Daily Wire.  

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge try them down. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Dan Jordan Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What's up? My bright spot today Jordan is that I was exercising the other day and so that means I got a chance to listen to some music more music than I generally listen to right and I determined what my taste in music is and I can describe it and I will not explain any further. I will give you this explanation or this description and that is it. I cannot explain it any further than how I'm going to articulate it. Okay.

All right. Oh, you are going to explain. I kind of thought you were going to be like and that's the end of what I'm going to say to you as simply as possible and then I will not explain it. Okay. I won't ask you any questions. I appreciate that. Okay. I promise you my ideal sort of music is the kind of thing that you could see me sliding sideways into a room wearing a cape to that is the sweet spot. I will not explain. I'm not asking questions. I am just imagining there might be a spotlight involved when I slide into the room with a spotlight in a cape. Can I ask questions about the type of slide? Yeah. Okay. You can't ask questions about the music. You can ask questions about this image. That's what I

want to ask questions about obviously. Go ahead. Are we doing like risky business slide? Are we doing like full on socks? No. No. Are you sidling? Are you like almost dipping the shoulder down as you kind of enter the room? I see the shoulder being a little bit down but that's just for the cape play. Sure. Well, yeah. I think the footwork is mysterious by design. Sure. I think no one knows what's going on with my feet because they're too distracted by the cape. But you are light on your dancing. Okay. Gotcha. Like a feather. Also everyone is super excited about me entering the room in a cape. That's also part of the vibe. Final question. Is there a flourish? Do you throw the cape about? No. No flourish. No. No. The cape is just there. Yeah. It is. It is

almost incidental but that is related to how the music is. Sure. Because there's a confusingness to it. There's a mysterious ominousness to the existence of this cape. How would you describe this song? It's a little bit like I'm wearing a cape. See, these are the thoughts that I have while you exercise. I realize that while you don't exercise too much. I get it. Anyway, what's your bright spot? My bright spot. I've enjoyed Fire Emblem and Gage a great deal. Yeah. I've been enjoying playing it. I heard you streamed a little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's very fun. It's really cool to do that. Some people have been hanging out and watching and talking and it's been cool. But the game, you know what I realized? When all those reviews where people are like, oh,

they cut down on all the talking and all that stuff. As I've been going through it and they absolutely have. But I realized about the last games, like most of the time I read those conversations, but I couldn't, it was like conversations with my coworkers from like five years ago where it'd be like, oh yeah, yeah, totally. And then five seconds later, if you asked me to report what that person had said to me, I would be like, I have no clue. I don't know if I heard a word they said, but was it the case that it gave you a general sense of who these other characters were? It gave you a characterization of them. Even if you didn't remember the conversation. Yeah. Yeah. And the same thing is true now. You can kind of read one sentence, one page of text and you're

like, oh, I got it. And then we move on. You know, you don't have to read four or five pages of text. I mean, that's good. I mean, I agree that I think it was a little too much in the last one. Could be. And I think it actually in three houses, it made me not want to get closer to some of the characters because I knew that I was just gonna. Oh my God, I'm gonna have to talk to these people. Yeah, which was maybe it says more about me than it does about the game. Yeah, I've only gotten a little bit of a chance to dig in because I've had a lot of beosanus to attend to, but the little bit I've played has been fun. It's fun. Yeah. I like that. That combat is fun. Turn base. Yeah. Fun stuff. Yeah. I like rings. Oh man. The being able to

move the character within the instead of having to go each by each square, you know, being able to direct to the character. That is such a huge thing that like playing it. I was like, I can't believe that. That's like how Mario and Rabbids was. Yeah. You can, you can do that. The instead of just clicking on a square to move to, you can move around within the right available squares to the joint. Fantastic. It's fun. I look forward to digging into it a little more. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over and before we get into anything, I do have to say that I'm sorry that our last episode was under an hour. That's, you know, that is, that is really short and you're a traitor, Dan. I know. I know. I'm a traitor to the cause of long episodes.

I always prefer to at least, you know, hit an hour, but I also don't think it's necessary to force it. Eh, whatever. Anyway, today we have an episode and hopefully we'll hit that hour mark. And if not, then I will explain my musical taste in further depth. Yes, we will find new words. I'll explain how Wild Wild West fits into this. Oh boy. Oh boy. No, today there's something that I was obsessed with over the weekend and sort of the end of last week. Obsessed is putting it strongly, but something that was really getting my attention. I was very interested in and that is the, no, what the drama going on with Stephen Crowder and the daily wire. Okay. I heard, I heard one thing about it. I saw like one screenshot of a tweet and then I ran away.

So Stephen Crowder was offered a $50 million contract by the daily wire so far. So good. And then he said no. And then from here on, we have manufactured a large number of squabbles if that's what I understand correctly. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. But I, okay. So there's the, we'll get into exactly what's happened, but there is an aspect of this that touches on and implicates Alex's world in a way that I think is really interesting. And that's kind of what I want to talk about here today. I want to talk about what happened, the dynamics, the bullshit, but also more importantly, how it intersects with our stuff and a fantasy that I have about wearing a cape while entering a room. Someone's gonna wear a cape.

But before we get into any of this, Jordan, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Mjolnir's sex party operation. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Oh, I get it. Cause of the hammer fucking. Did I? Oh yeah. Did I pronounce that right? Yeah. Mjolnir. Thor's hammer. Yeah. Yeah. Hammer fucking. Ha ha. Yeah. Come on. Next. Hey dad. Jimbo and Godzilla said the ocean is too big. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Alex Jones is my hot construction daddy. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. That might also be about hammer fucking. Yeah, that's

next. Lily bot. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thanks. This person's a genius. Okay. Cause what they did is they banked on this shout out coming between two friends birthdays. Okay. Now we're talking real good. They nailed it. So from Dora, happy belated birthday to Aaron, December 27th and happy early birthday to be April 16th. Damn. May the dreamy, creamy chat ring supreme. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Nailed it. Yeah. That's that's impressive. Impressive. Yeah. Next. Who Vian Steve. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And bisexual lightning rat. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy

wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. So we start here. What we're going to be talking about is actually January 20th. Okay. Friday's show on Alex's info wars beguiled verboten transmission. The illegal information that the globalist will not let you have. Uh-huh. He has Andrew Napolitano on in the fourth hour. Judge Napolitano. Is he, he goes on info wars still? Yep. Wow. Well, I think that's cause he had fired it. Well, yeah, that's what I was saying, but I'd be like, I thought after, after you get fired at Fox, you don't go on info, you know, you just, you're just like, I'm, I'm above that. Some people are hungry for the game. They, they live for the sport. That's fair. And then he also has an interview with that guy who worked at eco health alliance,

who's a whistleblower on COVID, but also didn't work at eco health alliance at the appropriate times and also didn't work in the fields that are relevant to this. So anyway, I don't care about that stuff, but we start here on the 20th and Alex has some big news. And guess what? Legislations have been introduced by the Democrats of the new Congress. We covered this two years ago, two days ago. We told you it was coming two years ago, 20 years ago. And they say in the legislation, if you talk bad about anyone of color, five years in prison, federal crime, it actually says that in the bill. If you deny climate change, prison time, and we played the clips here where the deputy head of the EU on elective bureaucracy says, looking at towards

the Republican congressman sitting next to her that we know soon you will be passing the law to outlaw any hate speech in America and the Republican former member of the J6 committee nods his head. Yep. So if you introduce, if you insult in any way a person of color, you're jail for five years. What level of insult are we like? Any. But like legitimate criticism. Is that cool? Five years. Like, hey, Tiger Woods could lean into it a little bit more and maybe Woodner is back. Is that any criticism? Any constructive criticism? Five years in prison. The show is fucking stupid. Yes. And so anyway, Alex can barely do the news on his show because it's so big. Well, I mean, he's he's risking five years in prison every time he opens his mouth,

if this is true, he's going to get life every day. The news is so off the chain that I rarely have this happen. I'm having trouble doing the show right now. Okay. I'm like a dog in a butcher shop and there's all these cuts of me like I've heard this one before salivating and confused and not even knowing what to do next because the cuts of meat to me are exposing evil and stopping them. And I don't know how I do this justice. I mean, this is just unbelievable what's coming out. The Democratic Party is now officially endorsing pedophilia. Oh, wow. So you can't five years in prison if you say yes, a person of color. Right. And now the Democrats have introduced a bill supporting pedophilia. This world is intense. Yeah. This is thank God. It's not real.

It should be to be a horrible world to live in. Who's who is running things in this top seat? You know, like this is mad hatter level man. No, but I mean we're talking. This is a crazy person who's like make fun of a black person and you die. Like what do we do? You just did an amazing That's probably right. Alex has read his book and that's what's in there. Yeah, it's a bunch of nonsense. So anyway, I just find myself really uninspired by information that Alex has to put out because if this is the news that's being reported, then what are you doing? Right. This show's right. It's so dumb. So he brings up the fight between Crowder and the Daily Wire and I thought, thank God, because I was worried he wasn't going

to talk about it and therefore I would have no way to really transition into talking about it. You have to shoehorn it in. Right. But thankfully Alex does that work for me. Nice. We have got this fight that we're hearing between Steven Crowder and Ben Shapiro and normally that flies below the radar that that's not big enough for us to talk about, but it's a window into how the control works. And I'm on Steven Crowder's side and all this because I know the inside baseball. That said, the Daily Wire has so many good people that are patriots at it who I like that I think just the signals goodness of the Liberty Movement is so powerful that even Ben Shapiro and Crenshaw and the rest of them cannot suppress it. So I don't want to throw

the baby out with the bathwater, but if you really want to know what's going on there, I'm going to tell you a little bit later in the hour. So this was all I could think about this weekend in terms of preparing a show for us to do. I wanted to do an episode about Crowder in this fight because I really do think that it's relevant to the conversation that this podcast is engaged in, but I didn't know how to do it unless Alex got involved. Right. And thankfully he did exactly that and the door is now open for me to talk at length about my feelings regarding this whole right wing media chaos. The first thing I want to point out though is that Alex is not above talking about petty drama. That's a very large portion of his show's content, possibly second

only to ranting about made up headlines. I mean, if that's in one of my favorite DJ Danerkey remixes, Alex explicitly says that God told him to go after Glenn Beck. So petty shit is wheelhouse. When I first heard about what Crowder was up to, the thought I had immediately was that Alex needed to side with Crowder. This is a perfect opportunity for Alex. And there are a number of reasons why, which I'll get to as we go along. Okay. I realized that many people probably have no idea what Stephen Crowder has been doing. So here's a little recap. For a while now, Stephen has worked for Glenn Beck's network, the blaze. Crowder has a large audience on YouTube, but he's also demonetized on there. And his exclusive membership group, the mug club was run through the blaze. Stephen is no longer

with the blaze, but toward the end of his time there, he was apparently entertaining offers for who wanted to buy his whole thing. The Daily Wire put in an introductory offer that was very generous to the tune of $50 million over four years. The offer was a starting point in potential negotiations and overall is a pretty standard sounding contract for a lot of the things that even Crowder was complaining about. Great. Real basic stuff. Okay. I know the details of this contract because Jeremy Boring, the head of Daily Wire decided to reveal it all after being called out by Crowder. Yeah. Fuck you, Crowder. Also, let's just deal with this up top. His last name is Boring. The real funny. Oh, I genuinely didn't even make that connection. Oh, well,

he's boring. Anyway, essentially, Stephen misunderstood or intentionally misrepresented various aspects of the offer to make it appear as if the Daily Wire was in bed with big tech and they were doing their bidding. For instance, the offer specified that if Stephen got kicked off social media platforms for something he said, his pay would be decreased. Obviously, this makes sense because the company would be making less money as a result of the ban and they're a business. Right. They take a hit and so does Stephen. In Stephen's mind, this was the Daily Wire saying that big tech, hey, we'll do your job for you. We'll punish Stephen on your behalf. They're in cahoots with social media moderators trying to decrease Stephen's

salary. To me, it sounds more like if you had put in a contract, if you hit Dave in the foot with your car, you have to pay to fix Dave's foot. Well, now you're just doing big pharma's job for them by saying that I have to pay for his foot. You know what? You're right. I'm on Crowder's side. Jeremy Boring goes over in great detail these clauses in the contract and it makes total sense. I mean, like the essential aspect of it is we're paying a lot of money to invest in you and we need to make money back. Right. And so the places we're going to make money back are advertising on YouTube. Right. Advertising on social media and stuff like this. These are the places that we're going to make it back. Now, if you are no longer able to use those things,

then we can't make that money back and we're not going to hold the entire bag. Right. We'll split that with you. Right. We'll split the responsibility, but your pay will go down a little bit. Yeah. It's not a punishment. It's just a reality of business and it makes total sense. If you make less money, then we make less money. I feel like then you should get paid less and I should, I mean, it makes sense. Yeah. It's very fundamental stuff. Yeah. I'm getting ahead of myself a little bit though. So this offer was actually sent a while back, you know, is only now becoming an issue, which I'll play a clip from Jeremy Boring's video and let him explain it. We reach out to the agent and we say that we'd like to have a conversation with Steven kind of

get into the details of, you know, what's he looking for? What's he looking for financially? What's he looking for in terms of structure? What would make his life better? What would make him happy? You know, he's got this opportunity now to have a next chapter. What's he want that next chapter to be? And Steven's agent candidly just wasn't interested in any aspect of that conversation. He only wanted to know about the money. He said, you know, we're not going to have a conversation or have some abstract talk. We're going to send us an offer, tell us how much money you're willing to pay. And he gave us an indication of what the minimum number would have to be in order to even have a discussion with Steven. And it's a big number. So we talked about it

internally and we decided, yeah, we should do that. We should send over an opening offer, a non-binding term sheet that takes a stab at what we think that minimum number is going to be to get the conversation started so that we can sit down with Steven so that we can see if if there's a deal that'd be good for him and good for us. And that's what we did. We put together the term sheet. We sent it over and we asked if we could get on the phone and have a conversation with Steven. So this is all very sensible from a business perspective. This is what people do. Yeah. Ultimately, they couldn't reach a deal because Crowder wanted a fuck ton of money. Yeah. Then months later, Steven reached back out. Oh, no.

Here's that in the hand. Well, not really. Steven implied that he not only didn't like this $12.5 million a year number that I offered him, but that he thought it should be closer to $30 million a year. That's $120 million over four years just for Steven's show. I would still have to spend those tens of millions of dollars every year that I told you about on things like marketing and infrastructure and technology to support the show, the part that Steven's never done. As soon as he said that, I knew we'll never get to a deal. I can't guarantee $30 million a year. I don't know how you can guarantee $12.5. I feel like we're having the wrong conversation here. $120 million is an incalculable

risk for a company our size. Again, I'm not saying Steven isn't worth it. I hope he is. I hope he builds his own business. He'll make a ton of mistakes. He'll find out that he's wrong. I've got a lot of how the business world works. He'll learn and he'll grow because he's a smart, talented guy and I hope he gets to a place where he's proving me wrong and he's making all that money, but that just was not a deal that the Daily Wire could possibly make. We'd have to pay it even if he lost all the revenue or even if he lost enormous chunks of the revenue. It was just an impossible situation. So, Steven said, we're going to throw this still out. I'm not even going to mark it up. I'm not going to negotiate it.

So, real quick, what he's saying there, if he loses all the revenue, another part of the deal that Steven took issue with was that if all of your sponsors or a certain amount, enough of your sponsors leave and we can't replace them within 90 days, then you lose a certain amount of the money that you're going to get from this contract, which again, makes sense. Steven said, Daily Wire saying to the left, hey, boycotts work. It does feel ridiculous. What's really going on is Steven is saying, I want you to give me all the money and take all the risk. And all my money is guaranteed no matter what. I want no skin in the game. I don't want to have to work hard. I don't want

anything to make me do anything. I want a hammock. What if I just did a five minute show? You would still have to pay me 120 million. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want everything. I mean, come on, buddy. Yeah. Start over, send me a new deal. And because of his talent and because of our friendship, I thought about it for a minute, talked to my partners about it for a few minutes. And I just realized what I already knew in my heart, which is Steven's not a team player. That's not a knock. He has an enormous individual talent. Why? Who thinks this? So I called him up and I said, hey, we're not going to send a follow-up offer. I want you to hear it directly from me, not from lawyers and agents. I said,

but the kind of deal you're looking for is not the kind of deal that we can make. He was super gracious, appreciative kind. We agreed to continue forward as we always had as friends. We do favors for each other. I told him, if you stay at the blazer, if you go off on your own, go to rumble, go wherever, we're going to continue to write stories about you and promote you and have you on. We want you to be as successful as humanly possible and we want to contribute to that. And we went our separate ways. And months went by. October goes by. November goes by. December goes by. And then a week ago in January, Steven called me and he said, hey, man, I can't unsee this contract that you sent me. Well, it's not a contract,

it's a non-binding term sheet. It's a conversation starter, but okay. And he told me his perspective on it, that we were not paying him what he's worth, that we don't understand his great business mind and that it's going to go exactly the way that he thinks and we're all going to be proven wrong. I said, again, I hope that's true, Steven, but that's not a risk I can take. And then he said, and you're just an enforcer for big tech. You're hurting young talent. I said, well, Steven, first of all, no two talent in our company have the same deal. Every deal is different because there's different circumstances. This is the kind of deal you make to protect a nine-figure investment. You can't pay nine figures and

expenses even if the revenue dries up. That isn't possible. It's not prudent, but it also isn't possible. And he wouldn't let it go. He was very angry. And I got very flustered. I didn't expect him to be calling and laying into me the way he was. I'd never experienced it before. I didn't make the best defense of the deal that I probably could have because I was so caught off guard. I mean, I made a decent defense of the structure of it, but I was really taken aback. This was a setup. Steven called back and was recording the call, pretending to be mad about the offer on behalf of other creators. What? So he could play cherry-picked parts of it on his show. Motherfucker. Yeah. What? Yeah. No. Oh, yeah. That's fucking bullshit. Yep. Is that even legal?

In Texas, it is. One party, one party consent state. Son's, uh, that's butt off. Oh, man. You know what? I'm starting to think this Crowder guy, not a good dude. Little shady. Little shady. He played a clip of boring saying that young talent at the Daily Wire needed to be wage slaves for a while, which is kind of tasteless, but it isn't really offensive if you're conservative and you're super into the free market and all that stuff. Aren't you supposed to be like, ooh, a boss who tells me like it is. I would love to be a wage slave for you, sir. Yeah. Anyway, here's the point. Steven's deal was ending at the blaze and it seems like they weren't interested in paying him what he was asking to renew the deal. If I had to guess, it might have been because his actual

numbers weren't as good as Steven thinks they are. The investment wasn't worth it, so they passed. Needing a new home, Steven tried to play hardball with the Daily Wire months back and it didn't work. Without proof of his draw, they couldn't justify paying him what he demanded and Steven probably wasn't able to provide them with any numbers since he admitted that all that stuff was handled by the blaze and it's unclear if they even knew about the negotiation since he was still under contract. Months back, Steven thought he could find a new place to make a huge guaranteed chunk of money free from any market pressures, but it didn't work out. And now guess what? There are no other options. He isn't going to make that kind of money anywhere else other than maybe Fox News,

and I don't think he's quite their brand. They already have their funny guy. They don't need him. They've got what, Gutfeld? Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. He's Fox News funny. The Fox Newsiest of Funny, man. Yeah. So Steven decided to call boring, pretended to be upset so he could record the call and start a big public feud. It was clearly a calculated move and the idea obviously was to try to poach some of the Daily Wire's audience, presumably drawing them to Steven's independent operation that he's going to now have to figure out how to get off the ground. Right. This past week has been when the big reveal has happened and Steven has done some pieces on his show about this whole mess. Jeremy Boring put out his response video explaining the offer in

minute detail for an hour. It does appear that it is very, very, very thorough. Line by line, baby. And then Steven released a little bit of his phone call and now here we are. Right. Make no mistake about this. None of this means anything. I'm furious. Yeah. The Daily Wire will continue to exist. Steven Crowder will continue to be a rich bigot somehow and everyone will move on. Yeah. However, underneath this drama, there are a couple of points that make it critically important for Alex if he wants to profit from this. The first thing I saw that he needed to do was side with Crowder and it's a good thing he jumped on that. The Daily Wire doesn't want shit to do with Alex and all the hosts on there probably or definitely hate him. Alex isn't going to be

talking with Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro or Matt Walsh anytime soon and Candace Owens may have been on Info Wars in the past, but her brand is way bigger now. Yeah. Siding with these people is a waste, whereas Crowder still has Alex on his show. That's where Alex's bread is buttered, but it introduces other problems that we'll get to as we go along. As time goes along. I see. Alex says he's got the inside baseball and he's going to provide everybody with the deets. If I understand correctly, one more time. This is a reasonable job offer according to these people. Ultimately, fairly generous in terms of like four weeks off a year. That's what I'm thinking. Millions and millions of dollars and the only downside conceivably is that

you're going to get in trouble if the revenue streams get knocked. Yeah. Yeah. If you stop making money, you'll stop making money. That's right. Oh, no. Oh, no. What fresh hell is this? Right. Okay. So the job offer that got turned down and now we're fighting like terrible, terrible whiners. Yes. Yeah. But I think that there's a reason why. And just to give you a little bit of a 30,000 foot view of where I'm coming from, this right wing community relies on a bit of fighting. Right. There's tension and drama that ends up fueling a lot of stuff. And so the idea of Crowder getting into a beef with daily wire makes total sense. Of course. It is something that can raise both ships. Rat beef. Attention will be given to both.

They can both come out better for it. Sure. The problem is he picked the wrong thing to make the beef about the beef being about first of all contracts and second of all money touches on things that the right wing media ecosystem cannot engage with. They don't want to talk about it because as soon as they do, it starts to open up a can of worms that you are even talking about like, how's he going to afford $12 million a year? Where is this money coming from? How much fucking money do you assholes make? What the fuck? Yeah. It introduces these questions of this gigantic amount of money. And are you making a return on your investment or are you all subsidized by billionaires and taking a loss on this because they want to push a certain social messaging?

Do you guys matter or are you just the mouthpieces of money? Right. Yeah. And so Crowder, I don't know if he understood that that was what he was stepping into. But because of that, this is not a normal generating attention feud for both sides. No. This is something else entirely different. Their stakes and a perfect place that Alex could capitalize if he knows what he's doing. Oh my God. This is where Alex could strike and destroy right wing media. He could create a dark adventure with one fell swoop. Alex Jones is both the enemy and savior of mankind. No, no, he wouldn't be. It would just be he could make a little bit of money on the drama if he wanted to. Of course. And I will discuss a great idea for how he could do that later in this episode.

All right. But why can't we do it? Is there a way for us to defeat right wing media? I don't think we can just wander in defeat, though. No, it would just be like you'd be able to create your own maybe larger brand outside of the mainstream GOP right wing media. Yeah, I don't want that. Nope. So Alex gets into this a little bit and well, I don't know, but his take is really just whatever Crowder told him. Right. So I guess in the few minutes left in this segment, I'll just go ahead and hit the Ben Shapiro thing because I've been ignoring it the last four or five days. I knew exactly what was going on, but I've had a chance to talk to the Crowder folks and so I can give you the analysis because I confirmed what I already knew was going on was

going on. But I didn't want to go there until I checked if my analysis was correct. Crowder is as good as it gets a real patriot American. And he loves the country and he's a really smart, reasonable guy. He left the blaze because he was like 80% of their money. He was almost being paid nothing. Then when he went and interviewed with the people over at Ben Shapiro's operation, The Daily Wire, they sent him the contracts that said, we're going to control everything you say, control whatever you do, and we'll withdraw your funds and you're tied in for five years no matter what if you get censored by big tech, essentially making big tech his boss. And then he just criticized them on air without saying their names. So some of them attacked him. So he released

recordings of them basically admitting that. And his issue was he didn't take the deal because he's not going to be shackled, but he's really concerned about them controlling the conservative movement with all the other people that got locked in these contracts. So he's concerned trolling basically pretending to be concerned about these other people. This is not what Alex should be doing. No, he's just taking shit that Crowder told him and repeating it as fact, more or less being a mouthpiece for Crowder as opposed to being an Alex who's siding with Crowder and exploiting him, which is what Alex should be doing. I don't understand why he's not looking out for Alex, which is always, oh man, this is stupid. So apparently Crowder told

Alex that he left the blaze because he was 80% of their money, but that doesn't quite track with this from Boring's video. And he listened for a little bit and he said, well, you're just wrong. You don't know anything about business. My business model is the right business model. Oh boy. And of course, that's unfair. What a piece of shit. Stephen hasn't run this part of a business before. Stephen likes to say I'm only on the air because of Mug Club. But Stephen couldn't tell me how many subscribers he had. I said, how many subscribers do you have at the blaze? He said, I don't know. They don't tell me. And I'm sure that's true. He said, but I'm confident. I guarantee you it'll be 350,000 on day one with

no marketing. I hope that's true. But I can't take that risk. Of course you can. Are you telling me that 350K people is worth 12 and a half million now? I don't think that's true. But they're subscribing like at a monthly rate and whatever. But that's only one part of it. They'd also be able to monetize other content that they create. So yeah, I don't exactly understand exactly how the money works out. But that's day one. Presumably there'd be even more. But also that's just a made up number that Stephen's throwing around because he has no idea how many subscribers he has because the blaze doesn't tell him. I will say this. That is something I didn't know in advance. I didn't know he didn't know how many subscribers he had. See, that means

that that man I will say is coming in with some truck nuts. He's got a pair trailing behind him. He probably has a sense of how many subscribers he has based on him knowing how many YouTube subscribers he has. He has a really large YouTube channel and Jeremy Boring even like really lays out exactly what the business model is, which is you do your show on YouTube where you are a little edgy and what have you. And then you advertise that you go behind the paywall. And that's where we can say the things that they won't let us say here. Of course. You say the more extreme shit there and you try and funnel people from this YouTube to the pay section. And so if you're trying to assess that maybe there's 300,000 people who subscribe to his thing, I would have to assume

he's taking it as some kind of an equation from like, well, maybe a third or a quarter of the people. I mean, I'm sure he has millions of subscribers on YouTube. But like, you know, some percentage of that will follow along. And maybe that's true. Maybe it's not. We'll see. Yeah. I again, if without the numbers in my hand, I wouldn't be going, see, because that's that's the way I always negotiated whenever I was working in real places. I would be like, here's what I know about me. Yeah, which equivalence this is what I'm worried. And I don't expect me to have the numbers. But I would expect Jeremy boring to have the numbers. They were in opening up a negotiation 100%. So anyway, to be clear, I hate the daily wire and Jeremy boring sucks. But I definitely believe his side

of the story way more for a number of reasons. The first and most important reason is that his story makes sense, whereas Stevens does not. Stevens actions and motivations don't make sense if you take them at his word, whereas boring explanation of the contract and the timeline are sane, rational sequences of events. Yeah. And here I feel like Steven definitely doesn't know how many subscribers he has. If he did, and the number was as high as he's claiming, he would use that to his advantage in the context of negotiation. So it could only help make the case for his demand for higher pay. So the fact that he doesn't cite it can only really mean that he doesn't know or he does know in its way lower than you think. Yeah. Beyond that,

Alex is wrong about what the offer of the daily wire sent included. He's just parroting Crowder. It is true that Steven didn't name daily wire in the first video he did, but I don't think that's to his credit. After Steven did his first beast, boring came out and did his response. And the reason for that makes total sense. Everyone knew Crowder was talking about them, and they have a business to protect. Daily wire subscribers were worried that what Crowder was saying was correct. And if left unanswered, people might assume it was correct and that could cut into their profits. Essentially, they would have to accept Crowder's framing of things when it's obvious he's talking about them, what other business is there that might have been able to afford

this kind of a deal to hire him. After that, all of the daily wire hosts began to shit on Crowder. All of his presumed allies like Candace Owens and Matt Walsh hit back pretty hard, and there's a good reason for it. For one thing, Crowder's behavior is much like a sneaky snake. Perhaps more importantly though, by saying that the daily wires contract is tantamount to him becoming a slave to big tech, he's implicitly calling out everyone who's under contract at the daily wire. He's boasting of his principles and not signing this deal, which by extension is a condemnation of the people who did. And that's not good. You're stabbing all your friends in the back. Yeah. And the problem is it seems like he's doing it with the angle towards once again

returning to those ranks with all the money. The idea for him is to eventually go back into that world and work for the blaze or the daily wire or somebody, but somebody will give him millions on millions of dollars. He's not going to go out and do his own thing now. I think he's trying to go out and do his own thing now. Well, yeah, but clearly he's bad at it. Yes. And I don't think it would be his first choice. Obviously he's somebody who likes to get a check from somebody. Yeah. And the idea of running your own entire thing is probably difficult, which is why this is a perfect opportunity for Alex. Yep. Get them on to band.tv baby. Well, I don't think that's going to work and I'll explain why later. But Alex has some thoughts about how much money Steven wanted

and this is so stupid. Well, the lawyers and, you know, folks over there that are really smart, they've made it all about Crowder not wanting $50 million when it was never about the money. And let me explain something. I know Crowder's bandwidth costs. I've had discussions with him and his crew quite a few times were friends. I hope they're quite a bit. He comes down here. I know our bandwidth costs. It's $10 million over five years. Okay, $10 million or $50 million over over five years. So that's only $10 million a year. Their bandwidth costs is in the millions of dollars a year. Their legal costs, their crew, all of that. I guarantee you under that deal, Steven Crowder will be paid about $500, $600,000 a year, maybe. What? Steven wouldn't be paying

bandwidth costs? What are you talking about? Alex only has that expense because he started running Bandod video and he made the critical error of hosting hours upon hours of videos made by lunatics who get like 60 views. Previously, Steven's content would have been hosted by the Blaze and now if this went through, it would be by the Daily Wire. They aren't going to make Steven pay bandwidth costs. Yeah, I understand what Alex is trying to do. He's trying to be like, okay, you've got sticker shock. I get it. You think, oh, Steven Crowder makes $50 million, so he's not one of the people anymore. And the answer is a fucking course not, but I can't tell you that. Also, Daily Wire covers legal. That's part of the deal. I'm sure Steven would want to

maintain personal representation for some matters, but the Daily Wire isn't going to spend millions of dollars a year on a marquee talent and then be like, you're on your own with legal stuff. They have an investment to protect in him. And also Alex might have a skewed version of how much legal bills cost. He's probably spending at least $20, $30 million a year on legal bills. That's regular for us guys, right? Turn around. He's applying his own troubles to someone who would not be dealing with bandwidth costs or millions and millions of dollars of legal fees and a billion dollar judgment against admittedly. If you have the type of troubles that he does, I imagine it's tough to look past them at the rest of the world with clear eyes.

True. Yeah. Those are pretty big troubles and it's impossible to relate. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. So Alex had some advice for Steven and I think that this is interesting and unfortunately it's never going to work. He never made it about the money. In fact, the money offers went up when he started to bulk. He said, no, no, no. This is not about the money. It's about I'll be totally controlled by you arbitrarily. If I go take this deal with you and bring all these people to you, when we know Crowder was making Glenn Beck conservatively $50 million a year. So of course the folks at Daily Wire say, oh, you're leaving Glenn Beck because you're only getting a few million dollars a year and can't even pay your bills. That's the truth about Crowder. Giant

audience should be making 50 million a year gross to be able to pay all the bills and all the rest of it. It's gross. I told Crowder, go to a direct sales model and leave all these people and then sell products so you make 50, 60% on it and be free of them. Sell water filters. Sell vitamins. People want those. They want to buy from Whole Foods. They want to buy it from Walgreens. They want to buy it from you. Sell gun accessories. Sell tactical gear. Sell storable food. I got a soap guy. I'll tell you how to do the whole deal. He does limits. Crowder's like, well, I don't like to market stuff. I don't like to go push stuff. I just want to make my show. He does a lot of preparation. That guy works hard. I'm like, okay, well, if you want your freedom,

that's what you got to do. And you could be bigger than M4s ever was if you just go with the model of running your own operation and then you could hire people and do what Daily Wire did, what I tried to do, but they came after us and attacked us and shut us down before we went to launch. I built all this to be 24 hours a day, have a bunch of hosts in here and not control what they say as long as they're patriots. You can't handle the shows you have. I know. This is ridiculous. Don't add more. Anyway, here's where Alex needs to be. He needs to black pill Crowder on working with anyone. So he starts to run out of money and he gets more desperate. Crowder is a young man with no principles. And I find him boring and not funny, but he has a proven charisma that

some people enjoy. Alex needs to groom him to be his successor. But in order to do that, Crowder has to become a lot weaker first. He's got pretensions of making tens of millions of dollars a year at this point. So screaming about the devil to sell water filters probably doesn't seem like an attractive option yet. But if he goes long enough without a deal and no one paying him with no YouTube monetization, it could look better and better over time to go to InfoWars and go to a direct sales model. Now, if he doesn't want to deal with all that, guess who does? Alex. You betcha. Alex already has the infrastructure. He has a soap limerick guy. He has a water guy. He has a storable food guy. Take care of all that for you, baby.

Here's what Alex has to do. Yeah. He has to interject himself into any conversation with Stephen Crowder. Make it look like he is right next to Stephen. It's him and Crowder against the world. He has to be by associating himself with Crowder. So toxic that Crowder has no choice, but to then associate back with Alex Jones. Well, that's one part of it. The other part of it is make sure that he doesn't make any deals. No, he can't make any money. He's got to go broke. Well, at least don't take that $12 million a year deal. Encourage that line of thinking in Stephen so he doesn't find somewhere else to land. And it's critical. This is the mistake that Alex is making. You can't make Stephen's arguments. You need to be on his side, but you can't just be

making his arguments because you need to rise above it a little bit. That's what I'm not seeing him doing. No. If he could manage to do that and break Crowder somehow subtly, whether by negligence or by a bad influence, get him to the point where he's desperate enough to come to Info Wars. You got yourself exactly what you need there, Alex. You got a guy who's young enough that he's got years ahead of him. He sucks, but some people like him. He's both incredibly lazy and incredibly ambitious, right? And he is his own thing for better or worse. Oh, and Troyer doesn't really have a persona outside of the Cuck Destroyer pretending to be Alex. Yeah. He's doing an Alex impression. Harrison Smith is a zero zero. Nobody else in house has

like juice, at least even Crowder for like as much as he sucks has some juice. Yeah. Nobody's watching Harrison Smith's Nazi library an hour. I mean, you've got to really break him down, you know, and just turn him against everyone. But the way to do it is the not having a boss. That's the only way to do it. You got to have in Crowder's mind, the idea of working for any corporate person at all has to be the worst thing in the world. He worked for Glenn Beck. Exactly. Now it's got to be. Now it's got to be I'm against it. I'm against the whole business. We'll get to that. Okay. Because I do have a model for that. Okay. But anyway, Alex has got a black pillow. So Alex gets off the topic for a little bit, but he's still kind of talking about

it behind the scenes kind of subtly. But you know what they call Alex? Well, they call them the Texan in the Trump White House. Sure. Sure. They also call him the mad prophet. What information war. And I don't say this to make myself sound big. In fact, it gives me chills of concern. But I'm seen by the globalist as the mad prophet of the worldwide populist movement. They call me that on CNN, Time Magazine, the Atlantic Monthly. They've said he's the wild prophet that brought in Trump and brought in all this stuff. And everybody gets the credit. A whole bunch of people, hundreds of millions of folks put up this resistance this way. But mainly long before I was born, people were fighting it. What else I mean was 14, 15 years old, every Saturday driving two hours

to Dallas from his farm to give anti communist speeches on the radio, because he gave such good ones locally. Just off what he read the John Birch Society stuff. And I mean, that it's in the blood folks. So my dad gets the credit, you know, my mom's dad gets the credit. I think that most people calling Alex the mad prophet are making fun of him. Yeah. Also, Alex's dad was deeply into the John Birch Society and we got to give Alex's mom's dad some credit here. But also remember Alex's mom's dad. It was almost LBJ's personal assassin. Yeah. So that's fun. Yeah. Yeah. And then maybe his grandfather on the one side was a Nazi. Probably. Yeah. And they're all Confederate royalty. Yeah. So they're good. It's what's in the blood is not what I want

to have them continue spreading about. No, no, thank you. Not great. No, no, no, no, no, no. So Alex has a little metaphor here about how they're winning against the globalists. All right. And so I need your prayer first and foremost and America needs your prayer. Because listen, we are really kicking the globalist butts right now. This was a wrestling match right now. We got a pin to the ground and their face shoved in the ground. The problem is they can sit there and piss themselves, crap themselves is the analogy I'd use and start a nuclear war. I think that if someone shit themselves and then started a nuclear war, that would be called for disqualification in the match. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Also, if you have someone pinned down and their

face pinned down, you don't have them pinned in a wrestling match, you need to have persons shoulders pinned down. And that's going to be really difficult to achieve while you also have their head facing down. That's more of a submission lock. Right. Yeah. This is a bad metaphor is what I'm saying. It's a bad metaphor for a lot of things, but especially if, if I understand correctly, the metaphor is we're defeating the globalists, but by defeating them, we have lost. Because they'll shit themselves. Kill us all. Yeah. Good, good, good stuff. I mean, this is interesting on one level, but I mostly also played it to bring up that at the Royal Rumble next Saturday. Oh, that's right. Bray Wyatt is going to be facing L.A. Knight, pitch black

match brought to you by Mountain Dew. Wait, pitch black. I don't know what it means. No one knows what it means. All right. All right. All right. It can't possibly be in the dark. It can't possibly be in the dark. That's not how things, it can't. It can't. Maybe the lights go out periodically or something. I don't know. It's like a cartoon. All the lights go out and you just hear and then the lights come back on and Bray Wyatt is standing over him like, Hey, what a great match. Now it should be noted that I'm still suspicious about Uncle Howdy. Still worried. You, you said that you were feeling better about Uncle Howdy at one point. You texted me. No, I didn't. Oh, no, you said you were still worried about it. Still worried. Never have gotten not worried. But on Smackdown

this past Friday, the Firefly Fun House came back with all the puppets and Bray very, very much it seems like maybe the fiend is coming back. Okay. Now we'll have the fiend and Uncle Howdy. It's a crowded house of weirdness. Yeah, that's gonna be a pitch black. Yeah, that's not good. But I'll be watching it. Very excited to see what nonsense happens. Of course. So anyway, Alex is going to non violently gouge out the eyes of his enemies. He's going to non violently do a bunch of really violent. Yeah, I was going to say that's this is upsetting. Interesting. And so now we're in a real fight with the global controllers. All right. I mean, we got their attention. We are beating the hell out of them. We're politically non violently breaking their ribs, gouging out

their eyeballs, pulling out their teeth, slamming their head to concrete. Okay. Now the problem is they got bio weapons labs everywhere. They got nuclear weapons. They got armies of scum that work for them, pedophiles, devil worshipers, degenerates, and they're really thinking about turning it all loose and causing a giant global civil war and a collapse. The good news is they were going to do that regardless. Oh, now what force them to do it on our terms and we're going to win. But I got to tell you, it ain't gonna be pretty. Okay, it's not gonna be pretty. All right. Oh yeah. I'm gonna tell you this. Yeah, I'm very angry because if this is the case, all right, that the, that you are essentially that the, the, the, the Patriots are beating the globalists to

death, but non violently slamming their head in the concrete. Sure. Sure. Whatever that means. Right. So, so they're doing that, but it's a bad idea because the globalists are going to kill everybody, but they were going to kill everybody anyway. Right. So if this is the situation at these globalist hands, he's basically saying we are accelerationist. This is a terrible plan. This is a terrible plan. If you are this week compared to your enemy, you got to take them by surprise. The, the Patriot movement at this point should all pretend that they've given everything up, sneak their way into the halls of power and then metaphorically do whatever that stuff, whenever the globalists don't have their finger on the button of murdering everybody.

This is a terrible plan. Let me put you at ease. None of this is real. Alex is just making shit up. So anyway, the next 10 years though, going to be fucking bad. According to Alex, the next decade, I mean, that's not a difficult prediction to make. Let me, I'm going to be 60 years old before anything settles down. Yeah. But I can offer you nothing but hell in the next 10 years, nothing but absolute hell. That's what I offer you. Reality. So that you're on your feet and you know what's coming when it comes. So you're not in your bed sucking your thumbs when these people have. Because if you think, get in a catatonic position, like a baby and curling up in a ball is going to protect you,

I got news for you in a, you know what I'm saying? These people are devil worshiping pedophiles. And they've got their operatives everywhere who are spiritually ignited and spiritually energized against us. And they're in the banks, they're in the police departments, they're in the law firms, they're in the universities, they're in the schools, they're in the, they're everywhere. They're everywhere. Now, and they look just like you, a plumber working a 12 hour day, a plumber working a 12 hour day, a farmer working a 12 hour day. Those, these people cannot hide in a manual job. They can never hack it, never do it. And Thomas Jefferson said he'd studied all the types of people. He'd been all over Europe, very alerted man, was in college when

he was, you know, 12, 13 years old. He did not say this. And he said, nobody's better than the farmers and, and back to them and call them ranchers, ranchers. He said the best people are the farmers and the hardest working, most successful farmers are the best people and they should run things not lawyers. And it's true. So there's a fake Jefferson quote that he sort of hearkening to and that is, I would rather be judged by 12 farmers than 12 scholars. Jefferson never said that. It actually traces back to something Glenn Beck said in 2009 when he was on Jay Leno. Great. Great. All of Alex's quotes are fake. Thomas Jefferson liked scholars. It's an interesting development that apparently manual laborers can't be evil because evil people

wouldn't be able to cut it in that heart of a job. I've not heard Alex express this before and it's also really dumb. You can find plenty of farmers plumbers and other manual laborers who have committed horrible crimes just as you can find people in any field who do awful shit. Yeah. It's kind of hard not to hear this as a dog whistle, though. Yeah. Traditionally, anti-semitic demagogues have painted Jewish people as being unable or unwilling to do hard work, preferring to live off the sweat of others. In a vacuum, the stuff Alex is saying could possibly be taken as a sentiment of admiration for manual laborers, but given all the other context of his show and where he gets his ideas from, I can't hear this as anything other than coded anti-semitism. Yeah. There are evil people in

the banks and the schools and the government, but there aren't any in manual labor because Jews don't do manual labor is essentially how this comes off in the context of his crypto ideas. Right. I mean, obviously, this is a brilliant thing to say about the insights of the world that can only be understood by Alex Jones, but what he apparently does not get is that based on this concept, the only people he should really like are immigrants coming over and doing manual labor jobs working 12 plus hours per day. Right. And the person he shouldn't like is the dumb fuck who gets on the air, sells dumb supplements by making shit up about headlines for three hours a day. Yeah. I kind of think that he might be lying. Yeah. I think he's

making stuff up. And there's a little bit of a subtle anti-semitic ideology that I do think penetrates this a little bit. Oh, no, that's definitely there. Yep. So Alex has an idea for vision of the world that I think is stupid. He said the best people are the farmers. That's Jefferson. And the hardest working, most successful farmers are the best people, and they should run things not lawyers. And it's true. You imagine if the Amish ran things, what would it be like? But see, they don't want to run things. That's why they're good. What Alex would fucking hate living in a world run by the Amish. For one thing, they take pride very seriously and Alex would run afoul of that very fast. Yeah. Good luck running

a radio and TV show that relies on selling bullshit supplements in an Amish community, though. That's that's going to be really tough. While we're on the subject, from a doctor in perspective, Alex should have severe problems with the Amish because they come from a branch of Christianity called Anabaptism. Groups derived from Anabaptists like the Amish, Mennonites, and Quakers do not believe in child baptism. A faith can only be sincere if it's entered into by a conscious informed decision, which is absolutely counter to Alex's belief surrounding Alex as a caricature of Amish people in his head that he's decided to accept and admire, but it's not real. Plus, there are plenty of crimes in Amish communities. You don't hear

about a lot of it because the communities are very insulated and many of their doctrines make it difficult to get people to cooperate with the process of prosecuting a crime. But there are criminals among the very hardworking Amish. If you want to, you can find plenty of stories that Alex would call demonic if a liberal were involved, but it's Amish people. So he's never heard about and pretends it doesn't exist. That obviously doesn't characterize the entire Amish community, and a bit of time I spent growing up, I attended Mennonite churches and my parents are still members of a Mennonite church, so I've had plenty of experiences with great Anabaptist folks in my life. But to pretend that somehow there aren't horrible people within that subset of the world

is just idiotic. That idea of the reductive bullshit that is so often peddled by Alex and his you know that like, oh, all these people want to confuse you with this, oh, the world's complex. No, it's real simple. If you're a farmer, you should run things like go away. I mean, you should run a farm. You're a good farmer. Be a farmer. Why is it that if you're a good farmer, that means you're a good administrator. That's how it works. There are just skills and talents that you can accrue over time. There doesn't need to be some sort of intrinsic evil to your job. Well, there is evil all around us. And the Amish don't want to run things, right? I mean, they want to run their own communities. That's what they do. They run their own community.

That's why they're the Amish as a thing. Fair enough. Yeah. But you know who does want to run things on a much larger scale? Who? Evil people. Oh, that was evil people. Yeah, the evil people. They keep doing it. The evil people want to run things. And I know that people like General Flynn is like kind of a what I call like a military Amish person. No, because he's against technology. He thinks it's he thinks it's at a subconscious level, a little too worldly to want to be the leader, a little too pushy to come out and just, you know, it's just not it. Well, it's a little little arrogant. It's a little egotistical. No, it's not. No, it's not. We're going to lead or we're going to die. Because we're going to let the Ben Shapiro's of the world sit up

there and lead our movements when he knows damn well what he's doing. He's not on our side. And he wants all the conservatives under his control so he can lead them into slavery and lead the rest of us in slavery as Judas goats. They're Judas goats, folks. I suppose Ben Shapiro is evil. It's weird because the Daily Wire didn't have any like stipulations about controlling what Crowder said in their contract. And like Matt Walsh is under their contract and he's one of the biggest transphobic bigots in the public space. Candace Owens is under their contract and she played a huge role in the anti-Semitic rise of yay. It seems like if you work for them, you can pretty much do whatever you want. But if your actions reduce the amount of money coming

in, you get paid less. It's a normal business. It's a Judas. I mean, if we want to be against capitalism, now I'm entering the conversation. If that's what we're doing, I'm fine with that. But by your own rules, you should shut the fuck up. Yes, yes. I'm trying to reach them where they live. I'm encountering the ideas and what they're saying from their standpoint as opposed to applying my own critique to this. But like, you all are fucking idiots. Children. They're just children. But you know who's not? The people on the Daily Wire side. I know. They're just, it's like they're running a business and they, I guess maybe what it is is you start to recognize like, okay, this is how something like bullshit can be sustainable. Sure. Bullshit can become a business.

Right. So like when Candace Owens gets a job over there, she starts to understand, ah, okay, I get it. I get it. Here's how things are done. And people who are too, as boring put it, not team players, people like in Alex Jones or a Steven Crowder, they don't get it. And they feel like they have this ability that they're special and they're able to do all these things because they've been handed all these things for years. And just, but I've done it this far. So I should be able to do everything. And they just are children having a food fight. We've seen it in, I can't tell you, you know, there have been plenty of comics who once they've touched even a little bit of success started to act like complete assholes for no reason. So, and when you say a little bit of success,

I mean a little bit of it. I mean, like I'm running an open mic now. Like that's, that's the level of like now I'm going to act like an asshole. Like I get, I get why you turn into an asshole. I got booked on a show at a bar. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ooh, hot shit. So anyway, Ben Shapiro is a Judas goat, but Alex is not. And so the polar opposite of where I want to be is the Judas goat. And we know the Judas goats. Well, they're the Al Gore's and they're the, they're the Tony Blair's and they're the Ben Shapiro's and they're the Barack Obama's and they're all the rest of it. Al Gore Ben Shapiro. I don't ration Judas goat is what you can call this. And just say we're up against a bunch of Judas goats here, folks. Well, I'm no Judas goat.

All right. I'm scared you're right. I've told the truth. I've been steadfast and I need your love. I need your support. I need you to lift me up in prayer and I need your financial support and forward.com nailed it. Bam nailed it. And we've landed the plane safely. Ladies and gentlemen, we will be now just bored. We have hit the ad pivot. Yep. I'm not a Judas goat like Ben Shapiro and I need your money. There's, there's ability that Alex has to suddenly say a thing that I have not heard in a year like 300 times. Like I haven't heard Judas goat. He said I heard Judas goat more in that clip. He says it a lot. Maybe don't play it all the time. Yeah, exactly. No, that's what I'm saying. I haven't heard it for like a year, but in five seconds, a hundred times,

you're a Judas goat. Barack Obama's a Judas goat. Judas goat. He has momentum with terms. Yeah, sometimes. So he comes in and he tells a very false version of the, the Crowder story that I have some things to point out about. So see my brain works like this. I never sit there and talk about the problem without connecting it to who's behind it and then the solution. So I don't get up here and talk about the Stephen Crowder. So like, I want to pause for a second because he does, he does do, he, no, he's right. He talks about the problem and he always talks about who's behind it and the solution. Who's behind it is always the globalist and the solution is giving him money. Yes, I know. Yes. The problem is, is that the problem, the people behind it and the

solution have been the exact same for 25 years or whatever. Hard disagree. The problem changes constantly. The people behind it and the solution are always the same, but the problem changes. Wow. I feel like the problem is the globalists and they are also the people. They do a bunch of different things. That's fair. Ben Shapiro daily wire story because as itself, it's not important enough to cover. I mean, Stephen's the right guy, very important, but just to talk about the fight, like, oh, look, there's a fight. Oh, here, let's all gather around and see who wins. I had to weigh in on that because I saw the disinfo live. The Stephen Crowder recorded the daily wire and all the rest of this because he wanted more money. If you want to work for him, no, he's on the tapes

saying, I don't even want the money. I want freedom. And you guys sent me a contract saying, big tech will be my boss. And if they censor me, I'll have my pay cut and be locked in a contract to not be able to work anywhere for five years. I'm not going to take your deal, but respond to me about what you're doing to people. This is an American. This is dangerous. Yeah, man. You should hear that recording. He sounds like a dead Prez song. So look here, there's an issue with this telling of the story. Neither party is contesting that they discussed this opening offer a months ago, as far back as September or October, and they left that discussion with an amicable understanding that they weren't going to be

able to reach a deal because that's the case. It does not make sense for Crowder to then call Jeremy boring months later to confront him about the deal while recording the conversation, unless the conversation itself was performance and designed to be used for content later. The circumstances require you to not take the stuff Stephen is saying in that call seriously, because he has no reason to make that call and he knows it's being recorded. Jeremy boring doesn't know it's being recorded and he didn't initiate the call. So their footing is completely uneven. Yeah. Alex knows this. He knows the game Stephen is playing and he's trying to play it too, but they don't seem to realize that they have accidentally touched on something that they're

not supposed to. And that's that money shit. It is. It is so much like it's James O'Keefe way of thinking of like, aha, see this thing that I think that is 100% insane. I will definitely be able to prove by lying to these people. And then I'll trick them into telling me the things that I know are true. I will trick them into saying just enough that I can edit it weirdly to make it look like my point has been made solid. That's terrible. It's good work. That is bad. So Alex, look, man, if you know one thing about him, you know that he's not a sellout, except for some things in his career, but he could sell out now if he wanted to and he'd get a billion dollars reset wars, which he'd still be down half a billion dollars. You've got all the

bitch apparel saying the shot works. We should all take it. And you know, all his pro new older stuff, they're gatekeepers people. And I'm not in competition. I could snap my fingers and have billions of dollars of funding, hundreds of millions of dollars of funding, not even trying from the system. They would still take me selling out to them. It's easy to go sell out. It's easy to be a gatekeeper. It's easy to do that. I'm not even mad at these people. I'm ashamed for them. There and here's Crowder getting better and better and understanding this. And he's always been a good guy. And then he tries to expose it very friendly way. What? And they attack him and say, Oh, Stephen Crowder is a monster. Stephen Crowder, we offered him $50 million over five

years. And he called it slave wages. No, they said the recording about all the other little people that together have a giant audience about little hundred thousand followers, a million followers. They have big followings. But compared to Alex Jones or Joe Rogan or Stephen Crowder or Ben Shapiro is small, but together it's bigger. And then they use their algorithms to feed you all into the Jordan Peterson's and the Ben Shapiro's. And by the way, I think Ben Shapiro is all hat and no cattle and a bunch of repeated, you know, stuff he does that smart talk fast. Oh, really? Just a bunch of repeated stuff. Oh, boy. Alex could not have a billion or hundreds of millions of dollars to sell out now. No one wants him. And he's way more trouble than whatever he could

possibly bring in. He's toxic to advertisers and he couldn't possibly organically create more business for you than he already does on his own. And he's both personally and professionally in bankruptcy. Plus, he's not that good at his job anymore. It would be like buying an old racehorse, an old drunk racehorse. You know, the first car I bought was 14 years old. And it smelled of cigarette smoke beyond what you could imagine. And it made it about 25 miles off the lot. Sure. And then it died and never drove again. The Alex of cars. It's the Alex of cars. Yep. It's fair that in Crowder's recording, Jeremy Boring said that the younger creators needed to work for slave wages for a while. But there's a couple important things to consider. I'll play

you the clip that Stephen plays, and then we'll go over some of the issues. Ben Shapiro are young talent. They don't get deals like this. So they don't get deals that they wage slaves for a little bit, come over and make a salary and grow their brand that you then own. Well, I own parts of it. I don't own it. They can win their contracts up. They can still go out and they'll still be famous. They can keep doing their show. So go do a show somewhere else. It'll be a far, far, far better place. You help to make them. No, not this contract. This contract owns it in perpetuity even after the contract. You're paying a lease but getting ownership. That's what this contract is.

On the content that we paid to produce, yes. So the first glaring problem is that Stephen didn't release the full call. It's possible that wage slave as a comment was boring using an expression that Stephen had used earlier in that conversation, and there's no way to know for sure. Right, right, right. Even assuming that was how Boring decided to construct his thought, there are still problems. One is that he's trying to explain to Stephen how good the deal he's being offered is, and that's because it's an insanely good deal. Boring is trying to help Stephen understand that they would be making a gigantic investment in him, and because it would be a huge deal, it requires a contract that spells stuff out and make sure

that the daily wire doesn't end up losing $50 million, which is not something that you need to be concerned about with younger talents. The other more important problem that comes up here is that these people don't have a problem with wage slavery. Go over to Daily Wire's website and see what they have to say about suggestions that the minimum wage should be raised. Right. Poke around for a minute and see how many videos you can find where Stephen Crowder screams about his opposition to people being paid a living wage. They don't have a problem with this. It's just personal. The conservative idea is that you're paid what you're worth, and what you're worth is what an employer will pay you. If you bring in $2 worth of value to an employer per hour,

you should be paid $2 an hour. Crowder should recognize that the younger creators that Boring is talking about don't bring in $50 million in value. They bring in what he would call slave wages and value to the daily wire so they get paid accordingly. The arrangement is beneficial for them because they get paid something and their association with the daily wire raises their profile and allows them to create their own personal brand. Without his association with the daily wire, I guarantee no one would give a single shit about what Matt Walsh has to say. You'd have no idea who he was. It works out quite well for him. That's the game. There's a little bit of a weird wrinkle here. I also would never sign this deal,

but I don't think it's inherently unfair as a deal. Typically, a network will require ownership of the material you make while you're under their contract, which is a fairly normal thing, and you hear Boring express that in the call. The content that Crowder makes under the auspices of the contract are owned by the daily wire, but they don't own his brand or the mug club or things that he does post contract period or before. I've spoken to people who are with podcast networks and this is how a lot of podcast networks operate. It's definitely one of the sticking points that I've had with the idea of ever joining one, but I don't think it's inherently unethical. I think for a number of different types of content, it makes a lot of sense.

And a lot of different contexts for the situation that the creators are in. There's any number of different avenues where- Absolutely. Yeah, I totally get it. Crowder is pretending to have a problem here because he needs a way to make this whole presentation look like it's something more than picking a petty fight because he doesn't have a giant contract anymore, and he's got to figure out how to survive on his own. The best way to do this is to pretend he's concerned about the other creators who are being exploited by these contracts, which is a great way to fake selflessness, honestly. Interestingly though, none of the other creators sided with Steven. In fact, Steven may have alienated most of the

conservative media with this shit, and it's because of two reasons. The first is that he's shown himself to be a duplicitous backstabbing sneaky snake who might be recording you at any moment so he can use cherry-picked things you say against you. He's willing to exploit people who thought they were his friends in order to garner attention, but that's not really a deal breaker for these people. They could get over that pretty easily. Yeah, they're all sneaky snakes. They're like, hey, listen, I'm a psychopath too. Not a terrible move, and if it had worked, we would be on your team. It's not necessarily the worst thing. They could get over it, but what's not so easy to get over is the Crowder brought up the money. Steven is treading on thin ice because what he's

done is create a situation where it's becoming all too clear that the right-wing media ecosystem is propped up by billionaires who are likely not seeing a return on their investment. Jeremy Boring says almost as much in his video. This is a very important point, Steven. Again, I think the most entertaining, talented person in the conservative movement, I think one of the most entertaining and talented people in entertainment generally in the country today has created a very successful content generation company, a very successful production company, but Steven's never had to create the company that actually distributes markets and monetizes all of that content. He talks in his video about being one of the only true independent

conservative voices, and I find that incredibly offensive. Steven, the whole time I've known him, has worked for someone else, has been paid by someone else. That doesn't mean other people telling him what to say. He's a very independent voice, and that's good. So is Matt Walsh. So is Candace Owen. So has Ben Shapiro. So is Michael Knowles. So is Brett Cooper. But Steven, as much or more than any of them, a very independent voice. But he's not exactly a self-made man. That's not true. He was paid by PJTV when I met him, which was owned by a billionaire at the time. Then he was paid by CRTV for a number of years, which was owned by a billionaire at the time. Then he was paid by the Blaze, which was subsidized by a billionaire, until Tyler

Cardin, one of the real genius businessmen in our movement, turned the company around and made it profitable. Oh man, that's wild. I wonder why the billionaire was subsidizing the Blaze while it lost money. Pretty wild how every place Crowder has worked for his entire career has been funded by right-wing billionaires, and no one really has any idea if his show is even profitable. Probably just a coincidence, too, that the Daily Wire was launched with seed money from fracking billionaire brothers Dan and Ferris Wilkes. Yeah. Because of his greed and desperation, Crowder is exposing the business. He's breaking kayfabe and forcing others to break kayfabe to defend themselves. There's some huge fucking problems that I have going on, not least of which

one fucking boring has just made the socialist argument. Remember when Obama in the debate was like, you didn't build that or whatever? Because we've got roads and shit? He said that! He just said that exactly. So once again, no conservative has any principles whatsoever. And two, that's bullshit. The billionaires absolutely get a return on their investment. That's why we don't have taxes on billionaires. It's indirect return on investment. It's not a return in terms of the show being profitable. It's an ideological return and a return in the form of tax cuts and all that shit. Their return was January 6th almost worked. Clogging up the ability of progressive legislation that would be threatening business interests for moving forward. Or just conversing about it.

Anyway, there's one more clip of boring here that I thought was interesting. Then he was paid by the blaze, which was subsidized by a billionaire, until Tyler Cardin, one of the real genius businessmen in our movement, turned the company around and made it profitable. During all of that time, Steven drove a ton of revenue. He's incredibly valuable. I'm not suggesting that he wasn't driving value. He was. I'm only saying he didn't have to build all of that. He didn't have to think about it. And he didn't necessarily have to be profitable. And he doesn't know for a fact that he was profitable. Because as he has said very publicly, all those companies, none of them really shared all the information about what was happening with them. So Steven feels very certain

that his show was always profitable, but he doesn't know that his show was profitable. That is damning. That's insane. Think about this. The head of Daily Wire is suggesting that one of the largest and most revenue driving programs in the entire right wing ecosystem that does not appear to have all that much overhead. It's not like he has an elaborate set like Alex does. Might not be profitable. Yeah. Yep. How is that possible? Dan. Dan. Dan. How can he not be sure of that? I don't know. I don't know. You'd have to be sure of it. How could you not be? It means that one side of the equation is desperately out of balance. The goal to ask for more than $50 million. If you don't even know if you make money. Well, the goal to ask for $50 million and then

make it public like this in a way that the head of the Daily Wire is going to come out and say shit like this. It's trouble. What's so crazy to me and we just talked about it. In this world, oh yeah, of course you recorded one side of my conversation without my knowledge in order to exploit what I have to say secretly as an indictment of my entire life's work. No big deal. Now, personally, that would be, we can't be friends anymore. I mean, it's not even like I'll hate you forever publicly. Just like, I will never speak to you because I don't know if you're recording this conversation. Yeah, it introduces layers of like, yeah, no. Yeah, and this whole like, hey, I just want him to be as successful as he can possibly be thing. Like, no. No,

he's revealed that he deserves zero success because he's recorded one half of your fucking conversation. Two things. The first is that I think there's a little tongue in cheek with Boring's constant praise of Crowder. I think there's a little bit of a fuck you by being nice kind of thing. Second, Steven didn't like release the recording of the call until after Boring had made this video. So at that point, there's no reason to know for sure if Jeremy knew that Steven had done that. That makes more sense. Yeah. Okay. But I still do think there's a little bit of a backhandedness to it. Like a little bit of a fuck you. I'm not saying that that's not the case. Yeah. I haven't listened to the whole thing. So I wouldn't, you know, I did. Man, it's a really

awesome contract if you're in its position. And it's not even a final contract as Boring's going through it. He's making note of points where it's like, well, we might have negotiated on this. This is movable here. This could have ended up being more money and more time off. All right. This is just an opening volley. I mean, you're on out. If you are going to negotiate with the Daily Wire, make sure you watch that video first. You'll have a clearer idea of how to negotiate. Right. And now the other thing that is introduced by this is like, just think about like the kind of money that's flowing around like these people who are these mouthpieces are making. It's a sick amount of money. Yeah. Even if you imagine like someone like Candice Owens or Matt Walsh is on

a lower level than Steven Crowder, just based on celebrity, let's say. Yeah. But Matt Walsh is still probably making like a million a year, two million a year. That's sick money for someone like him. You know what it is. And it's just occurred to me, you know, there is a morality tax on these contracts because you know these people have no morality. So you have to pay them more than you would somebody who, you know, has thoughts and emotions and feelings like a person because they're going to lie to you or perhaps fucking record one half of your conversation. Yeah. You've got to pay him more. Otherwise they'll do evil shit like that to you. Wow. So Alex was, he had that interview with Piers Morgan, right? And so talking about Ben Shapiro

and all this stuff makes him think of Piers Morgan and he has some thoughts about his interview. Okay. And by the way, when I did that interview over a week ago with Piers Morgan, I hadn't seen it. I hadn't watched it since we played a few clips. The crew got, I went this Sunday and spent about an hour watching it and reading the comments. And there was 9,000 comments then. Ooh. Sure it's more now. And they were 99% pro Alex Jones on YouTube. He had like 400,000 views Sunday. I don't know what it is now. And I sat there for like an hour. My wife's like, I'm sitting around the iPad. Hey, you said you're taking off today. We're going to go with family on a hike and go go eat dinner. Why are you doing this? And I said,

well, I just want to be able to tell my audience the 99% side to read like a thousand comments speed read. Oh my God. And I sound like one out of a hundred. Sure. I'd read over a hundred comments where I found one comment against me. I mean, come on. Come on. You guys are guys. You poor wife. Alex is pushing 50 and he's congratulating himself about positive YouTube comments in a video where he argued with Piers Morgan. This is sad. That's the saddest thing I've ever heard. That is, that is like that kind of a bar is so easy to clear. Looking good next appears Morgan. Yeah. Yeah. Baby shoes. Never worn YouTube comments. 99% positive. I think they're very similar. Honey, honey, I want to take the kids out fishing or whatever, but I can't read

you to read these YouTube comments so I can be sure when I tell my audience that they're 99% positive. Listen, I don't want to lie to my audience about the positivity of these YouTube comments. What a complete dork. That's amazing. But if we want to play this game, I would suggest he go check out the comments on Crowder's video where he plays that call with boring that's titled, I didn't want to do this. They are almost wall to wall bad stuff. Like why did you have those negotiations? Then wait months to call him back and record that conversation. It looks like a massive publicity stunt, huh? Or maybe this one been watching Steven since I was 13, but his recent actions are seriously disappointing. It's not a YouTube comment, but even Mike Sernovich tweeted

about this being shitty. And that's Mike Sernovich. Wow. So here's the deal. Crowder did did this to get a ton of attention and direct people to his new website, stop big con.com. Sure. He repeated in his videos, big con is in bed with big tech trying to label big con as big conservative media, whatever. So that's his site that he set up to farm email addresses to create a new database since the blaze probably owns his old one. He says on his site, quote, please go to big, stop big con.com and enter your email. This isn't just for louder with Crowder. This is a petition to show big con how many of you out there want business practices like this to stop. If you're, if you want your conservative allies in quotes to stop shilling for big tech and muzzling their creators,

please go sign your name. If you click the link, there isn't a petition. It's just an email input form. Some people have deduced that Crowder registered this domain stop big con.com prior to making that phone call to boring, which he recorded and is currently using as the entire inciting incident for his campaign to stop big conservative media who are just in bed with big tech, which kind of doesn't make sense. No, on the surface, it's a pretty standard and blah kind of conservative media grift. But the idea that Crowder didn't think people would put some of these pieces together is pretty laughable. And here's the big problem for Crowder. He's a tool. He's not important. Ultimately, he's just somebody that the billionaires have paid to push right

wing ideas to teens. Yeah, the daily wire is important. That's a burgeoning institution with its own media wing and projects in the works for educational programming and conservative alternatives to mainstream culture. This is a giant project that is much stronger and much more supported than Crowder. That is a fight he is not going to win. What amazes me about all of these people, what amazes me is how inversely correlated their belief in their talent is with their actual talent. Like so many of these people believe that they've got some sort of media skill when in reality, they can be exchanged in a heartbeat, you know, like you're you're well for and you're bought and paid for. Yeah, that's you know, that's you're a product. That's

true in some ways. I agree with you largely, but there are gradients of talent even within that replaceable spectrum. Totally. Like let's say Stephen Crowder is way better than like Brandon Straca in terms of having some kind of media chops that said you could find 100 Stephen Crowders conceivably at an open mic or in like totally, you know, you maybe not one open mic, but a number of open mics you could find a replacement for Stephen Crowder, somebody who's got chops, somebody who's offensive and kind of funny. Yeah, well, I mean, that's the thing with these right wing talking heads is that they're as much as they want to talk about gatekeepers. Like the reality is there's no place for them to to like get better, you know, they go

from there. There's no like organic movement of that kind of gradual growth where you work and toil in obscurity. Yeah. And then you have skills, you know, it's like, Hey, I've decided to be an asshole. Disincentivized. Yeah, exactly. The only thing that you are kind of drawn towards from a like sort of a grindstone kind of thing is doing what the people who are funding whatever you're doing want you to do. The more in line you get with that, perhaps the better your outcome will be. But yeah, there isn't really what there is. I'm even abstractly trying to think what does it mean to get better? Yeah, what would you do? Like what would you even if you like if you're running it like if you're Tucker Carlson and you want to make your show better, it has nothing to

do with making Tucker do one thing or another, you know, like the making the show better is all about. Okay, well, we need to get our graphics and our movement and our motion because Tucker's just an asshole. Well, we if you really want to make it better, you got to get him to try and get people to smoke. Yeah, I mean, right? Anyway, Steven's not going to win this fight. No, he's up against something that is much more important than him. And he does not really have a life raft. And that's why he needs to team up with Alex. This is a perfect unholy Avengers assembling kind of moment that they could have where they team up and attack the mainstream conservative media. Presumably, Alex is actually independent and doesn't take money from billionaires,

leaving aside his early career being subsidized by a shady gold dealer. And that's suspicious $8 million in Bitcoin he got last year. Believe that aside, Crowder can own his past and wear it on his sleeve, how he was fully inside the belly of the beast. And he knows how billionaires control all this right wing media for their own interests. He's sorry he was a part of it. And now he's teaming up with Alex to be the real media for the Patriots. Yep, they could do it. It's the it's his only real option because he's a giant piece of shit. This won't happen though, because Alex can't come anywhere near affording Steven and Crowder is clearly all about the money. But Crowder has entered entered a tragic phase of his career. Essentially in order to make himself

and keep himself relevant at all, he needs to try to tear down the people that he's considered allies and friends. Honestly, it's a pretty predictable place for a complete asshole like him to have ended up. But he he's only yeah, the only real like further down the road kind of possibility because he's not going to get re monetized on YouTube. No, that's not going to happen. Yeah, these other platforms like rumble and all this shit, they're not going to be able to pay him and whatever money he's going to be able to make off them is not going to be anywhere near what he's accustomed to. Right. The kind of deal that the daily wire was offering him is perfect and he shit on that an idiot. Yeah, the blaze not going back there. Nope. If Fox News

isn't going to have him. Absolutely not. There is no what one America news. No, they're not going to be able to pay him millions of dollars a year. They're not even able to pay their themselves millions of dollars a year. Anything that is conceivably like within the spectrum of of like that media is out. Right. He's going to end up on Frank's speech. If he doesn't, if he's not careful, he's going to be another of Lindell. He's got to he's got to build his own thing. And that means having his own identity and he doesn't have one. And in order to get one, you have to work really hard and he doesn't really want to do that. And I'll give you my evidence. But he's doing the plan to launch his new thing was I'm going to secretly record the guy

who tried to hire me before and then release it on the internet, therefore proving that I'm a trustworthy guy. We're making a little bit of an assumption in terms of like putting filling in some of the connective tissue of the plan. But it seems fairly certain that if he registered once you registered the white one, yeah, once you registered the website before you do the thing. Yeah, yeah, that that is that makes it feel like, OK, this only really makes sense if this was a plan. This was completely the call was farming the content in order to justify the call to action of raising a bunch of emails like farming a bunch of people's emails addresses for this. And yeah, that is a terrible plan. I don't think it's going to work. And I really wonder if he's going to

end up at Info Wars. It'd be the best thing ever for Alex, you know, every every time we think that we know the direction that conservative media is going to flow those vultures tear each other apart in a new way. That's true. But think about like so no one really has much talent at Info Wars. No one's getting like head hunted to a mother network or whatever. No, Alex couldn't afford to pay Roger. So he went over to Mike Lindell right went over to Frank speech, right? Savannah Hernandez, I guess, had a little bit of chops, a little bit of talent. And so she went to work for the blaze. Yeah, like there is no other game that that like Crowder is going to find. It's it's it's pillows or Alex, I think. Anyway, good. Or maybe pair back your expectations,

lower your overhead, get good at making a show that people find enjoyable, and you'll have a job. No, you can just have your own job. If you if you have an enjoyable show that people like if you really do think that you have 350,000 subscribers day one, yeah, then fuck, fuck everybody else. Do a patreon. Absolutely. Fuck everybody. But fuck the businesses. Fuck a job. Who gives a shit about $50 million? You can have $100,000. And that's a million dollars if you don't have a if you are Steven and you have 300,000 people who would sign up for your shit. And you're charging what like 10 bucks a month? Yeah, something like that. Absurd. All access or whatever. Absurd. Then you end up with $3 million a month. Yeah. Yeah. Boom, you're there. Yeah, you're at your $30

million. You did it. Yeah, dumb fuck. Anyway, I just don't know. I don't understand that at all. But I think that the reason that some of this doesn't happen is that there isn't that organic support. No, you gotta have billionaires. Numbers are maybe a little bit lower than he thinks. And I think what they what they are all terrified of. And I think that's the thing that that's really not being said right here is the breaking of the facade. No, is well. I mean, yeah, but the breaking of the facade is this without the outlets constant reminder and ease of access these people are not going to click on a second link to go to Steven Crowder's website. That's that's the thing that they're fair about. That's the that's the fear. And I mean, some people will

and plenty of them will, but not enough to justify all of that shit. You know, probably not. Yeah. So we've won last clip here. Okay, Alex wishes that Ben Shapiro had a soul. And so I wish Ben Shapiro had a soul. I wish these guys were like me, but they're not. They're opportunist globals that think they're stupid. And guess what? You're not stupid. And they're going to be defeated just like Klaus Schwab and just like Bill Gates. So this brings us to the end of Alex's coverage of the daily wire Steven Crowder sitch. Yeah. He wishes that they all had souls like him. You know, the irony of all of these conservative right wing fights is that when they fight each other, they use my arguments against each other

as if, but their politics are completely counter to that. Like I can use my arguments because I have a belief system. Yeah, that is what you think. Yeah. I believe this and I will continue to do so. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they're just like, Hey, you know what? You guys are all in the pocket of billionaires. Yeah. Sam Cedar on the majority report head of a good breakdown of how damning it is that Steven Crowder is introducing the idea that contracts can be exploitative. Yeah. And how for conservative ideology, this is a real big problem. Yeah. And I would encourage people who are interested to go ahead and watch that as well. That is another good point. And not just the concept that a $50 million contract can be exploitive.

That's a real, wait a second. If a $50 million contract can be an exploitative contract, what's my 50 K a year doing? Right. Right. Yeah. I find this interesting, but I also have, I don't feel like let them fight. Yeah. I don't feel that way because I don't, I don't think the actual fight is interesting per se. Yeah. I think that some of these may, you might call it unforced errors of saying things and making this about the contract and the money as opposed to like some sort of a subsidiary issue that you all could fight about and have a good time. Right. That's kind of interesting to me. And the fact that Steven Crowder is essentially in a position where he is exactly what Alex needs and he has nowhere else to go. If he doesn't end

up there, I don't understand what's going on. I don't, I don't know what they possibly could think if they're not like, let's team up. I don't know. It seems like the right time. Yeah. You know, cause Alex has nothing to lose. They're both in Texas. Yep. Do it. Do it. That's all I needed to hear. Alex. They're regionally similar. Alex Glenn Beck. God told you to go against Glenn Beck and now he's telling you to go get Crowder and get louder. Yeah. Anyway, I was really thinking about this a lot this weekend. So this is a little bit off our, our beaten path kind of because it is more about Steven Crowder than Alex really, but I couldn't, I couldn't get this out of my head this weekend. So here we are. Well, I mean, anytime we get a view into conservative media,

it does two things. It shows very clearly that they don't care about what they say. They don't, none of what they say means anything to them. And also how things are similar and different between Alex's info wars and how the actual real people business works. You know, like Alex's, Alex's contract is, you know, that it, yeah, it's very interesting. How do you, how, how do you not look at Alex's model and think it's the better one? You know, it is. Well, it isn't some ways and it isn't, it isn't in others. Sure. It depends on what kind of work you want to put in. That's, I think that's, yeah, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. And he wants to be lazy. He wants everybody else to do all the other stuff except for the show. I just want to do,

which I respect. Listen, I want to do the show. It's basically exactly where you sit right now. Yeah. You, you, you can only really pull that off if someone else is doing all that other stuff for you. And Alex has had those people to, and he's done a lot of it. Ted Anderson did a little, a lot of it for him too. Yeah. But Alex's model is better in as much as like, if you want to just say whatever the fuck you want and be a real dickhead, nobody's going to stop you. Yeah. And there's an audience for it. From a content perspective, I don't see that as being that different from what Matt Walsh and Candace Owens are doing. Tim Pool, I don't see any of that as being that disconnected from Alex anymore. Nope. There might have been a big chasm in the past,

but it's, it's shrunk. Yeah. Yeah, it has. Anyway, we will keep our eye, watch this space, as they say. Let's see when a Crowder takes over the morning slot for Harrison Smith. Yeah, Harrison, you better. Your days are numbered. You better be learning. I don't know what you need to practice, but you need to practice all of it. You need to change your name and get a job at Frank Beach. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my God. You're fucked, Harrison. Anyway, we'll be back. But until then, we have wedged. We do. It's knowledgefight.com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter at that knowledge underscore fight. Yes, we're all, we'll be back. But tell them I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DC X cork, but I'm also Dan and I live in Illinois. Let's talk to Dan in Illinois,

then Spencer in Ohio. Dan, you're on the air. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.