Knowledge Fight - #774: December 22, 2003

Episode Date: February 6, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan continue their quest to make it to the Howard Dean scream in time for the Milwaukee live show.  In this installment, Dan goes to the post office, Alex wants to book a white separatist guest, and a caller presents a Vietnam conspiracy so dumb that Alex calls him stupid.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight, need money. Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas, stop it. Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the earth, thanks for holding. Hello Alex, I'm Mr. Sincollet, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. Knowledge fight, no no no no knowledgefight.com. I love you. Everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan, I have a quick question for you, sir. Whoa, too quick. Yeah. What is it? What's your bright spot? My bright spot today, Jordan, is chaos. It has been a chaotic

weekend. And here, let me, let me just talk you through a little bit of it. Okay. So I decided that one of the things that I was going to make a priority of was getting these fucking buttons out. Sure. I've decided and I'm gonna, this is gonna happen. Yeah. It'll all be done by Friday. Oh my God. I had made a goal of getting them all out by the beginning of the year. New Year's Eve, or thereabouts, was planned and then I got kind of sick at the end of the year and so it kind of hampered my ability to get stuff out. Yeah. I buckled down and I've got all of the addresses on the envelopes, all the stamps on the envelopes and we're ready to go. Wow. Just packing envelopes and getting them out. And I had another wonderful encounter with the, the mail person, the mail

carrier, who I just had bags of, it's gonna go put in a, in a, in a post box and he's like, I'll take those. Oh, I got them, sir. Whether rain or sleet or hail or shine. Dude is the best. But I said there was some chaos and here's what happened. Yeah. So I needed some more stamps because I needed to finish up putting stamps on these envelopes and so I didn't want to order them because there's a bit of a delay. And so I was like, I'll just go down to the post office. I could run an errand. Okay. And so I go and there's a big line. And so I decided, Hey, there's a machine over there that says you can buy stamps at the machine. That is a machine that is real. Yeah, I've been there. I bought stamps. Yeah. And so I needed to get a bunch of stamps. Yeah. And I needed

a lot of international ones because you Scottish assholes are coming through in numbers. Listen, we're coming. We're coming to Scotland. I swear. I think we have to. We have to. But just to catch up on our button money. So I went to the machine and I got a couple hundred stamps because I thought they would print books. They do not. Nope. Nope. That's not how they go one by one. Was that your first? Oh, no. How many did you try and print? 300. So I am fine. I'm fine until someone gets behind me in life. No, you need to be turning around like throwing things around being like nobody get near the crazy man. It is the only machine of its sort. Of course. And it does not just print stamps. Apparently you can also like scan packages. Everything. It's a one stop shop. And so a guy

gets behind me and I explain, I didn't know they printed one by one. I'm sorry. Right. And he's very nice about it for about five minutes. Right. And he's like five minutes. He's like, how many are you printing? I'm like, there's a bunch to go. I'm so sorry. I didn't. It was humiliating. He gets less nice. Yeah. No, no, no. Reasonable. Reasonable on his part. Actually, this isn't fair. He was nice the whole time, but he was getting fucking annoyed. And I could tell because he had a box of things he just needed to scan in order to send. If only he'd been there. You would have, if he had asked you like two seconds before you pressed the button, you'd have been like, please go ahead. Sure. And I want you to be done. And I didn't know

he just needed to scan stuff. I thought he was maybe buying stamps. I'm like, can I offer you some stamps? You did not. I did. You're beautiful. So he eventually, a customer service person pops out and he's like, you know, can you scan these for me back there? And she's like, yeah, I'll take care of that. So he goes, I'm like, whew, fine. There's no line again. Everything is all right. Where are we at? Like progress report? We're at 120 states. I have no idea. Okay. Because they print one by one. I just have a stack of them. You just keep going. I don't know what's going on. Where I am. Right. The only thing I can do is guess that it takes about 10 seconds per stamp. That's a long time. Right. So it did the math. Right. Like, what are we at? Like 20

ish minutes, 25 minutes, something like that. Yeah. So I'm fine. He's gone. Everything is all right until someone else shows up. Oh, no. And they are also quite nice. Sure. In terms of like, I explain the situation and I'm sorry. Yeah. And they're like people make, you know, we all make mistakes. Sure. Sure. Sure. And then they start to get more annoyed. That is how it works. That is how it works. But they're also flabbergasted by how stupid the decision is. It's tough. Here's the problem. It's so monumentally obviously a mistake that you can't really be mad. And yet at the same time, it's such a monumental mistake. You feel like you need to be angry about it. It seemed like they would print books. Of course. Anyway, they're patient enough,

and it finally 20 something minutes in or so, maybe even a little more. It gets done. And I'm like, I'm so sorry. Right. But the other thing too is I also needed just some like domestic stamps. And so I'm like, I'm not doing this again. So I got in the back of the long line. I got the long line. Oh my God. So I waited in that line. Get to the front of the line. Yeah. And I'm like, I need like a lot of stamps. Yeah. And they're like, we're out of roles. We just have the sheets, the sheets of 20. The sheets are what I was looking for in the first place. Well, for the international ones, for this, I would have loved to roll rolls would be great because they're a little bit easier. And so the page is a 20. And I'm like, I need a bunch of them.

And the lady goes back and she brings out a brick. And she's like, all right, I got you. And then I look down and they're Nancy Reagan stamps. She finally got you. She finally got you. I was almost at a point of despair and just like, fuck it. Maybe our audience would think it's hilarious that they're all coming with Nancy Reagan stamps. You know, when she was the first lady, they consulted their their psychic, you know, Reagan and Nancy, they had a psychic that they went to regularly who would make policy decisions for the world. Right. Right. That psychic was like, oh man, we got to make sure that we timed this right. Yeah. The moment is the lowest. You got a million from standing for half an hour at this

fucking machine. What's the point of seeing the future if you can't really get specific? I thought it was hilarious. It's very funny. And so I explained because I start laughing and I explain to the lady who's working there why it's funny. I'm like, I just I think that the people I'm sending stuff to would. I don't know. They're not Nancy Reagan fans. And she's like, oh, I got other ones. It's fine. And so she goes to the back, comes back out. I had a bunch of Missouri stamps and everything is all right. But like, oh God, the moment of that punch of the Nancy Reagan stamp. That's so good. That's so good. It was the universe, man. It was the speaking in some way. This is what you should get for standing in that line. That is about as close to our version

of the like when you see only one set of footprints, you know, when you see only one set of footprints. That's when Nancy Reagan brought you from the from the break. So anyway, I got these Missouri stamps and stuff's coming out. Stuff's coming out. But yeah, so what's your bright spot? My bright spot is so so I've been playing Fire Emblem Engage. I've been streaming the the playthrough all right on the twitches. Sure. And it's been really it's been really, really fun. There's there's a bunch of people they come they show we all say that the audience is engaged. I would say they're engaged with everything but the game we have all decided that the game sucks now. I feel like that's where we're at. Jordan is no longer pumped.

The story has so far lost me and so disappointed me that it's like all of us are slowly, slogging towards the end of the game out of some sort of weird obligation. And it's really enjoyable to do with a bunch of people. You know, I could do that by myself. I would have thrown the game away. I've been like, I'll move on to something else. Yeah. But it's like pigheadedness. That's great. Well, there's a there's a communal experience. And we are engaged in it. And that carries even when the thing it's like why you can watch bad movies with friends or a crowd. Totally. Yeah. But I kind of have some similar feelings. I guess I'm not as negative on it as you necessarily. But I have gotten a little bit less hype. Yeah. It's still quite enjoyable.

But I think so here's what I understand from the other day I watched a video that was explaining the storylines of past Fire Emblem games. Yeah. I don't think the story is ever really that much to go on. That's fair. It's usually pretty cookie cutter kind of kingdom prints and magic kind of truth stuff. Totally. So I think I think that is maybe a thing that you had because the expectations of Three Houses was very story dense. And like it was. And I think I was thinking about this. The other problem that it has this game the engage has that is different than Three Houses is that you have to recruit all of these people. Oh man they're so fucking many engage in engage. There's so many characters so many that it becomes clogged in your lineup and you're not using most of them

most of the time. Whereas in Three Houses you had to go out of your way to enlist people who weren't in your school. Yep. And you kind of took an interest in trying to figure out how am I going to convince them to fight with me. Totally. And there was more of like a there's more of a connection with the people whereas a lot of these characters are just kind of like I don't know why you're here. Yeah. Yeah. No with the with the Three Houses you have the oh my god. Fuck Bhushara. Boone get the fuck out. I don't know who that is. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. No because you have the inbuilt party system within the Three Houses of your house. Yeah. So you have the instinctive need to get to know them over the other characters to start with. Yeah. Right. And then once you've gotten to know

them maybe you find some people outside of your house that you like that you want in your house. You don't have to just like commit win a story battle and then some asshole shows up and you're like now I have to deal with your menu system. I'm sick of your job is dumb. Like it's a mess. Yeah. It might be too much. It's too much. But still not terrible. I still had I've had a good time and I'll finish it down the road at some point. I mean it's a little bit hypocritical of me to complain this hard about a game that I have spent roughly 40 hours playing already. Right. It'd be silly to be like oh this was a waste of time. Did you finish the second divine paralogue. No I haven't even gotten to that yet. Oh man when you get when you get done with it you get a ring

and it's fucking insane. It's power is that it reveals a bunch of Nancy Reagan. Oh no. That's the ultimate power. You know the second divine paralogue I think is DLC that's not not available. Okay. They only have the one that makes sense. Okay. So Jordan today we have an episode to talk about not just doing some bright spots. But what we're doing is we're going back to the past. Good. We are working our way towards the screen. Yes. We're coming. We're doing our best. We're going to get there. We're coming for you. I can't stress enough how good you know I've gone back and listened to the screen since we've started talking about it. I can't stress enough. It is great. It's pretty good. It's great. It's so silly that everyone cared so much. It

ruined an entire political career. Maybe not. Maybe it wasn't the only thing. Oh I know. I know. We do remember it as the thing. Well you can't bury that. Listen you can't be a progressive in America and try and win the presidency. Okay. That's just not going to happen. Yeah. So hopefully we'll be able to time that outright and we're doing that. Also just in modern Alex notes he over the weekend or maybe even a little bit at the end of last week. I'm not entirely sure the exact timeline but he launched his new Alex Jones dot live or something. Oh no. Which eventually I think is going to be a subscriptions the subscription podcast service or whatever. Sure. At this point there's like a video of him like basically just like a any other video of him but it's at his

house studio. Sure. Secondary new studio. There's a whole section where he does fireside chats where he sits by a fire. No. There's a section where he goes to the gun range and shoots things. Okay. So he's choosing to do something that perhaps the most progressive president in American history is famous for. Well yeah but he kept yelling that Trump needed to do that too. Sure. That's fair. And I think there's I think he's more ripping off Owen Benjamin honestly because Owen Benjamin after he went full Nazi you would sit out in the woods by a fire and ramble about the juice. Wow. So I think Alex is more taking a page out of that playbook than FDR man. You should have to be in prison if you want to mind comfort. That's all I'm saying. I checked out

this website because I was like maybe there'll be some gold in here but at this point nothing's behind a paywall. There is no option to subscribe. So I don't know what the pricing looks like. Okay. And there is no terms of service link. So I don't know what business this is run through. Right. I don't know anything about the specifics of it. Right. But there is a page that has a refund policy section that says no refunds. But you can't sign up. So I don't know. That's a good thing. They put that out there first. Yeah. You know before you before you sign up you want to know that you're not going to get a refund. Yeah. So watch that space. We'll find out more as the as things go along. But now we're back in 2003. We're going to be talking about December 22nd

and this episode is awesome. Okay. Because of something that happens towards the middle slash end. Okay. I love it. All right. War on cats. Sure. But I mean the war on cats really did spawn something of a war. Yeah. There was a mighty response. Yeah. Alex might have gotten the stupidest caller he's ever gotten. Okay. But it's someone who thinks exactly like him. Right. Oh my God. So it's it's clear. It's perfect. So good. It's like you know sometimes life is difficult to see. It seems cloudy. And then sometimes the sun appears and it's all clear. And Alex hates him. Yeah. So we'll get down to business on this episode. But first Jordan let's say hello to somebody who walks. That's a good idea. So first Eliza's mommy. Thank you so much.

You are now a policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. This next person is I mean I don't know why you forwarded me this email. You know why. Because this you don't want this. No I don't. But they wanted me to sing as much of Wild Wild West as I want. Oh no no no you misunderstood. I added the as much as you want part. They had the entirety of the song. Well that might be how much I want. Lyrically the entirety of the song. Do you want the lyrics? No. No I know I saw that. I don't need them. Oh you're right. You're right. I'm the fool. Yeah. So thank you so much. Wicked Wicked Wild Wild West. Jim West. Desperado. Rufferata. No you don't want nada. None of this. Six gun and this brother running this buffalo soldier. Look it's like I told you. Any damsel

that's in distress to be out of that dress when she beats Jim West. Roughnecks go check the law and abide. Watch your step. But you're working your way there. While you're right. Don't let your lip react. You don't want to see my hand wear my hip play out without a miss from the start of this run in the game. James West. Tame in the West. So remember the name. Now who are you going to call? Not the GB. Now who are you going to call? J WG. If you want to mess with anyone of us get out before you get bum rushed in the Wild Wild West. The audience can't see this but I am wholly ghosting right now. When I roll into the Wild Wild West. When I stroll into the Wild Wild West. When I bounce into the wild we go in straight to this is the Cisco Park. The Wild

Wild West. We're going straight to the Wild Wild West. Now now now once upon a time in the West mad man lost his damn mind in the West. I thought we were good. I thought we had finished a love list didn't have a time. Now I must put his behind to the test when the battle through the shadows ready for battle. Bring all your boys in. Here come the boys in behind the back of the Rifny Kid front and center. No way you live back kid. Who that is? I mean brother bad for your health. Looking damn good too. If I could say it myself the Tommy Lovelace is a mad man but I don't feel that. DJ Dan are key. DJ Dan are key. I need you to hear me. I'm speaking to you through time. This is just for you. No one else can hear you DJ Dan. The quickest thing is. Did I say I'm the

slickest thing is. Wrong tree. We're coming. Don't be starting up. I'm a partner gonna test your chest. Lovelace can't stand the heat and get out the wild wild wild wild west. When I roll you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you so much. And we get a second grader to make sure. Yeah we don't have time for anybody else. No more time. So thank you so much. My herd of cats will eat your ass like corn on the cob. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone Sotomize sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce

Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. You get off easy Jordan. There's a whole another verse. Oh no. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe for another time. So we start the show on January 22nd and Alex has a I'm sorry. It just reminds me so much of church whenever you're whenever you're singing one of the hymns and then they're like oh no no no there's a third verse and you're like oh my god. Yeah. If we open your hymnal to page thirty thirty eight we have wild wild west. It's good church. So Alex is a big guest coming on and here is how he starts the show. In the third hour I have Congressman Ron Paul joining us to talk about a whole plethora of very important issues including the national draft and Rumsfeld says we're going to need a

bigger army. We're going to need more troops and the recruiting is falling way under the numbers they need and they've got all the draft legislation lined up for you and your family and all they need to do is provide another terror attack and our journey into pure fascism will be complete. So there's a lot going on in that clip. Yeah. First of all can't wait to hear from racist grandpa Paul. It's weird to think about this but in 2003 his public image was very different than it is now or it deserved to be then because he had this weird appearance of being a rational voice of opposition to the war in Iraq. That did a whole lot of work masking the absurd John Birch society politics he actually espoused but what I'm getting at is that he had a decent PR

team back then. Yeah. Secondly it's interesting that Alex will not stop saying the draft is right around the corner which will be foisted upon us after a false flag terrorist attack and I want to take a second to analyze the logic he's using to make that claim. He thinks Cheney needs a bigger military and recruitment is down. Meanwhile there are these unspecified bill proposals or drafts that would bring back the draft. They're just waiting to go. Right. Any of these things could be true or not but even if all of them are true it does nothing to suggest that there's an elaborate plot to pull a false flag in order to bring in the draft. I have no idea what bills he's talking about and if they do exist they're destined to die in

committee so I'm not even going to take that seriously. As for Cheney wanting a bigger military in recruitment being down that could be the impetus for instituting a draft or it could be a motivation to explore other recruitment strategies like fun CGI army commercials at movies. Alex 's conclusion holds no weight. It's just the option he's decided to extrapolate out of the situation he sees because it's the one that fits his narratives and scares his extreme right-wing listeners the best. Right. I know that there were some real insecurities about the idea of a draft coming up at this point but it's hard to believe that this was something the government would seriously consider doing. In the late 60s and early 70s the largely campus-based anti-draft protest

movements were a severe impediment to this enlistment strategy. According to the University of Washington quote, in 1972 there were more conscientious objectors than actual draftees. All major cities faced backlogs of induction refusal legal cases and the selective service later reported that 206,000 persons were reported delinquent during the entire war period. Yeah. The lessons of that era are still real today namely that there are too many people who would refuse to show up and the government simply can't logistically punish everyone how they would need to in order to make the fear of punishment a motivating factor for people not to resist a draft. Yeah. Korea can have a draft or a it needs to be you have to spend two years in the military.

There's only a few million people in there you know. You cannot legislate the entirety of the United States to the point where you can get everybody who's drafted to show up. Or there are other countries that have mandated and required service and some of those things are long-standing and parts of culture. Oh for sure for Israel of course yeah from the from the jump. Implementing something is different than something already existing. Yeah. You know and that is that is definitely a factor. Yeah. But like I don't want to say that it's impossible but I don't think a draft is ever coming back in the U.S. Some people in power may want one. It may feel like one is coming sometimes and a bill might even be introduced but the backlash is was so severe and I think

everyone knows that it would be so severe again and I think we're all aware of that. Yeah. I believe the backlash to an election being held and somebody winning correctly was almost a coup. So I think the backlash to somebody trying to institute a national draft would be way worse than a coup. And I think I think something that's interesting is that I think that this was a like a much broader fear that Alex is taking advantage of at this period. Like I think that a lot more people had this like well they're going to bring back the draft. It did feel like that. I remember conversation because I was just coming out of high school. Right. Or no I like I was at run around 2014 2005. I was coming right out of high school. Yeah. You were coming right out of

high school and everybody I knew who was older than me was hitting 18 and it was a conversation of like I'm worried that I'll be drafted. That was a conversation. Yeah. It felt like a realistic possibility. But I don't know how much of that was like rational and how much of it is is just like there's a there's a fever panic around. Sure. There's a lot of distrust of how the government was handling everything stuff and it seemed like maybe they will. But in hindsight now it seems like of course they weren't going to do that. Absolutely. The consequences would have outweighed whatever benefit they were hoping to get. People didn't like the Iraq war almost immediately. A dish adding a draft to that would have been a disaster. Right. But beyond that though it's

interesting to realize that according to Alex the definition of fascism is the United States in 2003 plus a draft. Debateably there are some elements of fascism that were quite prominent in the US at the time. Sure. But I think that it's funny that he seems to be suggesting that the only thing that's keeping the equation in balance is that there wasn't a draft. Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. It's weird. Explain to me what the draft would have added to the fascism because I think I think if you're going to add fashion if the draft is part of fascism then essentially you're saying that it's military run. Right. Maybe. You know. So but then the draft means that you can't get enough people for the military. So true true. I mean I don't know. Here's the thing.

I think to Alex fascism means something very different than like maybe a larger understanding of fascism. I agree. I think he uses it kind of interchangeably with his bizarre like sort of aesthetic notions of a police state. Yeah. And stuff like so being forced to fight for the state is part of what he would call that. Right. Right. Right. I mean it does feel like what he takes your liberty away is restricting his ability to do whatever he wants regardless of the consequences. Yeah. Yeah. So we get to talking about Saddam because he's doing who he's been captured. Oh no. But there's some conspiracies about it. Oh. Also a couple of weeks ago or a week ago many Arabs skeptical on Saddam's capture. I wanted to go back to that because now it's

coming out that as usual just like with private Lynch what we're being shown is a fable. The evidence is overwhelming. They've had him a long time. He's been drugged. He's been tortured. Why didn't they just tell the truth about it. Six Adam drugged. That's because he had to be drugged and tortured first folks. So he wouldn't spout off about who he's business partners with when we have a congressional reports by Republicans and Democrats. But you know it's bad to have the boogeyman saying he's buddies with Bush just like bin Laden's buddies with him. So for a moment put aside the reality of or falsity of what Alex is saying in terms of his narrative. It's important to recognize that what he's engaging in is only the headline of a story

and not the actual content. Right. This is an article that's solely based on the assumptions of one person who had visited Saddam two days after his capture. He thought he looked sick and was maybe being given strong medication but then offered no proof. This is just a guess. This person was a photographer who had accompanied Ahmad Shalabi for a meeting and there's no reason to take this as definitive or proof of anything. Sure. Saddam's daughter is also cited in the article that Alex is using as saying that her father must be being drugged which isn't like really all that strong in terms of evidence. Sure. This is also a misrepresentation of her comments by way of like Alex using this as defense of like Saddam being drugged because

she was saying these things the way that she was saying that she meant to suggest that Saddam must have been drugged prior to his capture. Sure. To be like going along with it. Right. Around this time there were many rumors circulating that Saddam had been captured by local rivals as revenge drugged and then left to be found by US forces. Right. But that's kind of a side thing to this article. Sure. This is about him being drugged in captivity. Right. Right. Since this point the doctor who treated Saddam, Dr. Sudit Bose has come out and said that while he can't reveal specifics due to doctor patient confidentiality he quote treated him like he would any other patient. Yeah. I do think that there's some legitimate questions to ask about what kind

of interrogation tactics may have been used especially at this point when you're covering stuff considering the context of what our government allowed in the war but Alex is completely winging it here. He has nothing to base anything on other than conjecture. Yeah. I mean to me that it makes it makes perfect sense. Like he was found in a hole. Like you might need medication to nurse him back. Yeah. I mean that's that's you might have had medical I was thinking is like if you take him to a hospital they're probably trying to help him. You might have like a broken bone and need painkillers or something and that would make you look groggy. Yeah. There's there's a number of ways that you could make whatever comments this

photographer made. Yeah. Make sense in a non conspiratorial. They're trying to drug him so he can't tell the truth. Yeah. Wait. But you know everything is filtered through the prism of the narrative for Alex. Yeah. And it doesn't really even make sense. Like you you torture people to find out information. Saddam is the information that you wanted to find out. There's no reason to torture him. I have no doubt that he was probably treated better than most people in American prisons. You know he's he's captured in December 2003 by January. He's given POW status. Yeah. Like he's treated with ways that there's international monitoring. Yeah. Totally. Totally. Absolutely. Yeah. The whole thing was to try and keep him alive as long as they could so

they could kill him. He did later say at his trial that he was tortured but there's no evidence of that. He wasn't tortured. I would. What a liar. I have. I'm going to tell you this right now. I don't trust Saddam. What. Yep. Wow. You heard it here folks. So Alex doesn't thought about Saddam's trial. Sure. Also Saddam verdict expected to take five years like slobo from Serbia. You'll forget all about him before that happens slobo. Wow. I never considered calling him slobo before. I kind of like it. I don't hate it. I don't hate it. But I do love the idea that you'll just forget all about. I will never forget about all slobo. That shit ain't happening. Forget about slobo. Forget about Saddam. If it takes a couple years to go through

the legal process. Right. All right. Next thing you know he's going to tell me we forget about Dre. Yeah. I mean it's just ridiculous. How dare he just because he's been in the lab with the pen and a pen trying to get this damn label off. He's not having that. You better label this the rap at this time. More more platinum black and fuck rap. You can have it back. It should just be Dan Rapps. That's the description of this episode. Dan Rapps. I'll resist the urge further. So Alex has some thoughts about the globalists and some of their employment strategies. And this is just a way for him to be xenophobic. Sure. All over the country to get on a plane or get on a bus or now to cross a bridge or to get on a ferry men in black uniforms usually

illegal aliens and I'm serious 90 percent of those at the Boston airport were weren't citizens and about 40 percent were illegal aliens. Many of them from Syria. Iran you name it. But again we're going to accept all the matricula cards of the illegal aliens and legalize them. Ridge said two weeks ago but you're going to have a magnifying glass crammed down your throat. So there's two things there. One is making up these numbers. There is no way that he knows the status immigration status of people at airport. Second this just is the sort of standard treatment. They like they in quotes are treated so well. They're given everything. The globalists employ them. But you. Yeah. Noble Western. Yeah. A member of Christendom use whatever sort of euphemism you

want. They jam a magnifying glass down your throat. No. It's all just trying to create sort of racial agreement. Yeah. It's like white people. It's like in like the 1818 40s Louisiana and the shit like that. Like slave owners would essentially hire people to stop unions from happening by screaming like listen they treat slaves better than you guys. You shouldn't do that. You know like they do the whole thing. It's all there. It's all this kind of tactics are are inciting all that they have that have been used historically. Yeah. So Alex knows that this picture that was taken of Saddam in captivity was with Ahmad Chalabi. Yeah. And so he has a weird telling of their history that doesn't doesn't match up the photo which is on prison planet dot com and infowars

dot com of a sick looking and unkempt Hussain showed him being visited by Dr. Chalabi the number two man in the Shah's torture squad. What. Bank will be wanted by our allies. Who's the number one man. Who fled Iraq in 58 when Hussain ordered him killed and is now the Pentagon's favorite to become the next Iraqi president. Sure. Who fled Iraq in 58 after Hussain ordered him killed. What. Saddam Hussein was hired in 1954. This is a congressional report to be a anti communist assassin. Now Saddam was planning to kill him and four years later. Oh see how evil Saddam is. So this is something Alex says a lot but it's not really well defined ever. And when he does talk about the backing of it this employment of Saddam he just says it's congressional reports which is

useless as a citation. Saddam does seem super old and all but he was born in 1937 so he would have been 17 in 1954. At the time it makes a little sense for him to have been employed by Dwight D. Eisenhower's administration as an anti communist assassin considering that the bath party was a socialist party and was involved with movements towards a Pan Arab Republic including countries like Egypt and Syria. Right but Saddam didn't even join the party until three years later. In 1958 the bathists supported General Abdel Karim Qasim in his overthrow of the country but then would be involved in a plot to assassinate him just a year later primarily due to Qasim's opposition to the idea of this Pan Arab Republic and Saddam was involved in that plot of assassination

which I think is what Alex is talking about. Right right right. So there's no way Alex could prove the U.S. hired Saddam to be involved in that assassination plot or even prove outside involvement. The assassination failed and Saddam fled the country so there's no way he would have had the power to make Shalabi flee at that point. You know this once again reinforces my belief in conspiracy theories about assassinations. All right the conspiracy theories are that it is very hard to perform an assassination right. You have to do all of these different things and all these moving parts. There's a hundred variables. Terrible idea. Here's how assassinations work. The ones that work do is some dude walks up to the president with a gun and then shoots him in the face like

that works so much so much. What doesn't work is elaborate fucking pinky in the brain ass plans to assassinate people. You don't need a million externalities to like possibly go wrong. I swear to you if you want somebody to if you want to if I was going to tell you how to how to kill somebody like like Putin. Here's what you do. You get a thousand random people and you just set them at the border and just go eventually try and kill them if you can. Sooner or later one of them walk up with a gun. It's an interesting thought. I would actually have a counterpoint and that is that everybody knows who studied the subject that the world's greatest assassin Rube Goldberg. He's yet to lose. It's true. They've never captured him. He's never been captured.

Yep. And he sets everything into motion. That's crazy. Yeah. And no one's ever made a charge stick. He's like loop on the third. He's just he's just incredible. Yeah. Also Chalabi was 13 years old in 1958. That's also a little bit difficult. His family fled Iraq that year in the aftermath of General Kaseem's revolutionary overthrow. They were a high profile family and they would have been in danger after that because it was a successful coup. Right. So they fled. Yeah. I'm not sure that young Saddam put out a hit on a 13 year old though. That seems unlikely based on what Alex is saying. I have no idea what connection there is to reality. The 60s were weird. That's that's the time. This was the 50s. Also Chalabi isn't really a bank robber per se. Sure. He founded a bank

called Petro Bank which crashed and as a result he was charged with bank fraud by a Jordanian military tribunal. By that point he'd been smuggled out of the country and so he never did time on the bank robbery thing. Right. He claims he was set up and I think I'm not sure about the specifics of it. It seems like it was maybe some shady shit going on. Yeah. The Jordanian Central Bank called in like I think it was like 30 or 35 percent of the money that would have been in the in the banks. Right. His bank couldn't produce that money because there wasn't any right because he was doing a Ponzi scheme. And there was what I understand also there was a number of loans that that bank made were to his own businesses and like like a Ponzi scheme.

Right. Yeah. So there there there may be some credence to fraud elements of this but I'm not entirely sure. I haven't read like a full breakdown of any investigation of it. I think the number one problem in our time is how long Ponzi schemes can get away with themselves for so long. Like and I mean made off lasted for years. The FTX guy lasted for way longer than he should. Then there's the government. That's a Ponzi scheme. It's all fucked. Yep. Yep. You need a Rube Goldberg think that would work. I'm also not sure about the torture thing. I think that I would Alex should cite a source on the number two guy for the shot. I would like more and I would like more information about the shots torture squad. I think that might be an extrapolation of the

sort of the accusations and stuff about Chalabi being close with Iran. And that is fair enough. But I don't I don't know about being part of the shots torture squad. I was going to say it would be it would be odd for that crossover to happen. But hey weird things. Alex wants to prove it. He can go for it. Anyway Alex discusses the capture of Saddam here. So it doesn't matter if everybody finds out the capture was staged because it's emotional. The big headlines say it wasn't staged later they can admit it was staged. But the average person won't differentiate. They're not concerned about hearing different stories every day. It's like a white concrete scenario. The nightly news is a entertainment program or something. It's

just totally unconscious. Saddam was held by Kurdish forces drugged and left for the U.S. and I've got AP AFP Sunday morning Herald ABC you name it. Saddam Hussein was captured by U.S. troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces drugged and abandoned ready for American soldiers to recover him a British Sunday newspaper reported. So this was an article in the Sunday Express tabloid that reported based on an anonymous British intelligence source that members of the patriotic Union of Kurdistan had captured and drugged Saddam. They then negotiated with the U.S. for a bounty and abandoned him to be found by our troops. This is an interesting story but it's never been confirmed. There's no indication that the

25 million dollar bounty was paid and there's some pretty compelling evidence and documentation of U.S. efforts to find Saddam and progress that was being made on that front around this time. This story conforms to Alex's narrative though. So it's rock solid to him. So there's this article in the Sunday Express right and it says this stuff right but there's other no no no no no what's a respected British news paper talking to the intelligence source and the Australians have their people telling them this here's ABC news Saddam held by Kurds drugged and left for U.S. troops Saddam Hussein was captured by U.S. troops only after he had been taken prisoner by Kurdish forces drugged and abandoned ready for American soldiers to recover him a British

news paper has reported and I love this article calling it a tabloid but I have a bunch of other papers reporting it so this is disturbing because it either is evidence of Alex being an intensely malicious liar or it reveals that he's someone with a below adolescent level of media literacy he has an article that's covering the story that the Kurds captured Saddam which is just re-reporting something that was published in the Sunday Express based on an unnamed British intelligence source then he has an article that's from an Australian press outlet which is also based on the same Sunday Express article which is to say that it's all based on the same coverage of the unnamed British intelligence source right Alex is reporting to his audience that this

Australian press article is somehow a separate piece of news not just the same story being covered by a different outlet that level of stupidity is actually kind of scary to see in someone who's presenting themselves as a reliable source of insight and what makes it even more alarming is that I think this is a pretty consistent thing with Alex I'd never thought about it this way before but this could explain why Alex covers the same story in multiple outlets the way he does yeah I've always considered it to be a function of his laziness and knowing that his audience will see a bulk of headlines and assume that that means that there's there's more smoke there so there's definitely fire hearing this coverage actually makes me think that Alex might think

that each of these stories relies on different primary sourcing yeah and they're just coming out coincidentally at the same time that is to say the UK article is written because the British press has British sources telling them this stuff and the Australian article is being written because the Australian press concurrently has their sources saying the same thing if Alex believes that it wouldn't make sense why he thinks like the picture that he's seeing is somehow far more convincing or overwhelming and also suspicious than it is but that belief would have to be like it's entirely based on things he's making up in his head based on primary misunderstandings of how the media works or he's a liar right it's an interesting question because

I could see this going either way I guess best case scenario here is that Alex is completely unqualified to explain the news to anyone based on his comically deficient understanding of what he's reading worst case scenario he knows all this stuff is based on the same source but knows that pretending otherwise would make it more convincing to his audience so he's lying to them as a shortcut for his narratives not a good look either way yeah I think I think we get into problems here because for the longest time we have considered the stupid v evil continuum as a straight line as opposed to Alex who has managed to combine it into a circle no no no get this get this yeah triple helix triple helix there we go all right now I've drawn it okay so here's the problem right

we cannot overestimate him right and yet we do by ascribing to him the basics of ability to read all too often like and the more you the more you described it the more I was like okay if I were Alex and I saw a Bloomberg article right and I couldn't read it because it was behind the paywall but then I saw a yahoo article that was almost identical maybe exactly identical maybe the exact same fucking article then maybe I would think that yahoo and Bloomberg if I were Alex that I did never occurred to me either because I was overestimating him by describing to him basic abilities that I I didn't understand understanding of primary sourcing and how how these outlets report totally that is one thing but then I think there's also a feeling that I get from listening to it that

is giving the impression that all of these things are based on different sources right is a is kind of a strategy that's why he's turned it into a circle it's it's not a continuum it's it's hard but either way I mean it's it's an academic question on some level because the reality is whatever the case he is an incredibly untrustworthy source of information yeah because he's either lying to make things easier for himself right or he's so out of touch with what a published material is right that you should never listen to him right yeah yeah I would I would say that he is you know he describes himself as above the left right continuum but I believe he's above the stupid be evil continuum that might be as like the apotheosis of both he broke the paradigm yeah

also the Sunday Express part of the Daily Express is absolutely a tabloid and also was a major voice for the appeasement of Hitler during World War two they employed noted British fascist and anti-Semite Henry Williamson as a writer after he'd made a ton of pro-Hitler comments sure he joined the British Union of fascists naturally and made plans he'd later abandoned to go to Germany so he could meet Hitler oh it's a shit paper with a shit history in his tabloid his shit and like this doesn't even count like later libel yeah cases they've had to solve that doesn't mean that the story about Saddam is definitely not true but it's a good cause to look for a second source and not just a second source that's reposting the Sunday Express story Alex can't find that second source

so it's good thing you could just make it up yeah that's a corroboration baby yeah you know it makes you almost think that after the that the Nuremberg trials should have had and another portion for like media outlets the way it's like listen we're not gonna we're not doing the hanging thing that that's that's not for you guys but also you can't just support Hitler you just can't do it so we got to have something here I don't know what it is some kind of a I don't know I don't want to go call me on you but a truth and reconciliation something along those lines like come on guys you can't keep doing this you can't do this all right no more so um there's some other news in the world other than Saddam and that is Al Gore has a son and that son likes to burn tree sure like to smoke

some weed oh man back in 2003 when it used to be bad the weeds and Al Gore son arrested for pot possession I'm for drug decriminalization but when Rush Limbaugh's on oxy cotton and he says arrest anybody on drugs that I want him in prison and when Al Gore is I'm sorry a lot of money for for uh drug law enforcement programs let's put his son in prison okay you hypocrite so this is a great illustration of why taking hypocrisy to be fundamentally meaningful is a dead end in terms of having a solid position thank you here's the ground Alex is trying to lay claim to he's against the criminalization of drugs and thus wants to be seen as supporting the recreational use of things like weed or I guess in this case even oxy cotton sure is fine I guess however some people he

doesn't like who politically may disagree with decriminalization also enjoy recreational drug use they apparently should not be free to use drugs right because of that opposition right their freedom to use drugs which Alex allegedly believes in is conditional upon them agreeing with Alex's position on drugs which is a little weird in essence in order for Alex to make this coherent at all he can't possibly want to punish them for the drug use because that's something he ostensibly believes should be decriminalized that means in order for this to make any sense then Alex has to want to outlaw hypocrisy which is criminally stupid as a political position or maybe is the reality that Alex doesn't think that drugs are fine and actually does think that

people should be punished for using them is it possible that he just knows that advancing that position would make him look like a ridiculous person considering his libertarian public image and how it would mean that he would be advocating for the government dictating what you can and can't enjoy for fun sure is it possible he just knows the position he's supposed to have but actually doesn't believe in that position it's hard to tell given the way that he carries himself sure the question gets even weirder because this hypocrisy thing is an accusation that it makes sense to direct it rush kind of but what does Alex even know about Al Gore's son's positions on drugs Alex has no idea what he thinks but apparently Alex wants to require the son to adhere to the

positions of the father or else their actions are hypocritical that really seems fucking stupid particularly for someone who's so invested in the idea of individuality Alex is more or less advocating that you have an obligation to adhere to the moral set of your parents even if you're an adult and if you fail to do that you should be arrested for something Alex doesn't think people should be arrested for children are their parents fucking stupid all right I think I think what he's I think what's being expressed is is a social theory that the vast majority of people will accept a system of law no matter how draconian if it is applied fairly over a system of law that may be far more lax but applied unfairly so for for instance if you

were to get your hand cut off for stealing right that's fucked up but if you knew that uh the fucking CEO of chase if he stole a dime from anybody he worked for he would also get his hand cut off then that would be more acceptable than a situation where if you steal you get away with it but if the chase guy steals he gets away with it too it's a it's a social I'm not saying that it's true or anything but it is a social theory I understand that that sort of mental framework yeah I get that yeah I think that Alex is not operating necessarily on that I think that's a little too coherent I agree with you there don't don't think I don't think I don't think I'm just a fucking idiot I'm just interested in that theory because I'm I would be interested in that that

concept it no I yeah don't get me wrong I think it's an interesting idea I think it has no place in info wars because it's not an actual theory yeah that would imply that there was consistency and you would have to follow through yeah I think that there's something uh really bizarre about this like you're free to do drugs based on my philosophical beliefs unless you disagree with me about drugs right that's weird um but then the thing that takes it over the top is that it's Al Gore's son yeah like there is no room for individualism yeah in this at all it's I don't understand how Alex doesn't understand what he's saying or doesn't care that what he's espousing is something that's so like like do you now Alex have to live up to every ideal of your father

right I mean what it is is is the I mean it is childish lashing lashing out because of that you know like you don't and yet this guy gets to do whatever he wants and then I can't do whatever I want and now his son gets caught that's some fucking bullshit man you like that's childish that's a teenager it's weird yeah so Alex it gets a call from a guy mm-hmm call is not important no this is not our this is not our call no this is not the call no but after the call Alex starts to get a little bit reflective okay about how dangerous his job so that's what leads to the call no oh no this is disconnected from the call okay call will be later okay this is just Alex talking about how dangerous his job is okay I don't want to go on too long about this but

you know what I do is very dangerous I'm a big fish in this fight but there are tens of thousands of people who are now prominently fighting the new world order like Ron Paul and others and many other talk show hosts and authors and folks that run websites but a few years ago the globalist I believe from the evidence how to provocateur go into behemian grove and do a bunch of bad stuff and then get arrested and you know say my name I got a report that a guy went into a big hardware store last night here in Austin pulled his shirt off with a huge swastika on it and began saying I worked for Alex Jones I worked for Alex Jones we have had we've been at a pro rally and had the swastika business happen before and we found out they were federal informants doing

it uh-huh but it's sure sure buddy it's really comical uh I mean it's not going to work for him I don't know what type of uh two things are trying to prepare for me but I have a bad feeling and uh you know my family and in this country is worth whatever the cost is it turns out the cost is being really fucking rich yeah for many many years and then this is just so pathetic there's like uh uh it's so dangerous these these people who have to pretend to be my listeners and do fucked up things as opposed to just recognizing that you got some Nazis in your audience because you do a lot of Nazi shit yeah I mean in a sense though his job is very dangerous because no job I've ever worked has ever had a liability possibility of 1.5 billion dollars no that's true like that's a

dangerous job that's true he didn't recognize that at the time no no that's also true he also does have a dangerous job just not in the way he thinks he's pretending that he has like a target on his back from the fucking globalist the reality is he has a real danger of being around his own audience yeah he's more likely to get Lenin'd than he is to get Lincoln'd yes you will yes that's why like that video is so like awesome of him running away from the six street spider man when he was approached by him at a bar when he's doing that live stream with Milo like it is so critical for him to not spend time with his audience like particularly the listeners who are given off the I really believe you guys I love everything you do that's not good yeah yeah and so that is a dangerous

job because you might be in that hardware store when your Nazi fan takes off his shirt and he's got swastika going on you know like that is a liability I think he instinctively understands the difference between love and intensity of emotion you know like for their love is it's an intensity of emotion that can be love or can be hate at any moment I think he also intuitively understands that like these people that he's describing are the natural byproducts of the kind of reporting and information space that he lives in 100 but it's also super important to make sure everyone knows that we've determined somehow that they're all feds yeah we know every negative kind of byproduct of the stuff that I do is really the fed it's the feds I think

that's pretty cool and we know for a fact that you know there's Nazis yeah yeah so we get back to Saddam here for a minute okay Alex says something that I don't know where this is even coming from it's now coming out what we could already tell from the evidence that Saddam had been held for at least three weeks by the Kurds and that that was a staged capture then you watch the video of Colonel Hinckley telling the troops keep their mouths shut let me tell you the official story and that was on CNN of all places they don't even hide this stuff there's nothing in those articles about the Kurds keeping Saddam for three weeks it's just something that Alex is throwing in yeah that seems weird yeah it seems like that would be incredibly difficult to do too well okay the

United States government is ostensibly still looking for him for this three-week period right yeah I think so so are you telling me that this Kurdish group was constantly on the move for three weeks hiding from the United States government and drugging the yeah yeah without anyone seeing them without him getting away or anything like that without any of the people who may or may not have been in touch with Saddam knowing totally yeah it's very uh three weeks seems long now what does seem believable is that he's in a nondescript hole invisible from just about everything hiding with uh barely any air that makes that makes sense I know if I know a dictator who's done that before guy Alex might he's a complete badass yeah so Alex uh you know

there's also a bunch of conversations we talked about this on the last episode these terror alerts yeah are happening you know there's like the orange level and like we discussed in the last episode a lot of this traces back to Dennis Montgomery's fraud that he perpetuated on the US government claiming that he had a technology that would allow him to predict terrorist plots based on like signals and Al Jazeera or or shit like that um and so there's Alex is talking about these fake alerts uh and what have you um and he has he's pretty concerned about what's going to happen if it ever gets to red it's amazing we're on the height than terror alert uh members of FEMA federal and state have said that if we go to a red alert we're all going to be basically slaves

and have no rights well the comment was that'd be a weird thing to say virtually all your liberties will be stripped away you'll be an enemy combatant if you leave your home so Alex is referencing an article from that march in the south jersey news cid casperson was the counterterrorism head for the state of new jersey and he was commenting on what a red alert would entail the assumption that you would be the enemy if you were outside that's not based on a quote from him but it's an assessment made by the person who's writing the article sure the article quotes casperson is saying quote you literally are staying home is what happens unless you're required to be out no different than if you had a state of emergency with a snowstorm he also didn't say that you would

be a slave or all your liberties would be taken away yeah the article says quote a red alert would also tear away virtually all personal freedoms to move about and associate this isn't casperson saying that it's the reporter's characterization of how a red alert would limit transportation and people being able to congregate right places yeah kind of makes sense it's basically it's an unfair relaying of information is what alex is doing i mean post covid lockdown might be it feels a little bit overreacting yeah it's just it's just irresponsible yeah i know that you know that's kind of dicey stuff and like the idea first of all the idea that these terror alerts were being based on this fraudulent bullshit uh not good and the idea of like these kind of measures

being taken in the context of a heightened terror alert yeah it's scary and maybe you know something that is worth criticism right the criticism that alex is levying at it is just bullshit right right it's useless and counterproductive beware of any story that makes you go i can't believe they do that because there's a reason you can't believe they get my gun they they wouldn't do that they can't do that they wouldn't do that so a caller drops by this isn't the guy okay although the the guy is next he's coming yeah okay so this caller though he has a booking request for alex and then alex has a well what about this guy uh oh and it's bad uh let's talk to garrett in louisiana go ahead garrett how you doing alex man find my friend oh man um yeah things are coming

down heavy and uh i was wondering when you're gonna have jim rose on again as a guest on your show jim who jim rolls uh patriots sovereign um surviving a chemical lapse author oh john uh leslie rolls yes i i do need to interview him we need to also want to interview mr chetum of uh civil war two yeah that's a good book too it's a good book also it's a little bit uh you know different race type issues but it's a scenario and uh it is maybe wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute yeah reading that book it just talks about what's going to happen yeah because they are creating racial divides they are modernizing the country i'm not saying these are racist it's just it shows what's going to happen and uh i'm in one of the worst places and i could

ever want to be but um don louisiana so this isn't a great sign when a caller calls into info wars and he responds to a guest alex wants to have on by saying there's a lot of racial stuff yeah and then alex has to get defensive so this is about the book civil war two which was written by thomas chitom here's some fun facts about chitom let's hear him in 1998 he was a speaker at the first annual conference on racial separatism sure which also featured such racists as jared taylor what will this card of no and the founder of storm front uh and associate of ron paul don black great he published uh his book with civil war two as a possible scenario for how race war will break down in america and if you cruise websites that discuss it one of the frequent comments is

it's not exactly like the turner diaries which is cool it's real cool that that's the comment it's not distinguished exactly like it yeah he's a committed racist homophobe and white nationalist to put it in the most generous way possible also he apparently enlisted in the zimbabwean civil war in the early 70s sure keep in mind that he's an american who was born in new jersey right he decided to enlist and fight predictably on the side of the rhodesian forces who were trying to maintain a brutal white supremacist apartheid state that's what i was expecting this guy is so far beyond racist alex knows all this he just doesn't think the things that i've mentioned are actually racist like like i understand why uh in the context of war you think it's different but what you

got to understand is that he's just a serial killer who's a racist like it has nothing to do with war he is a serial killer who kills people based upon their race i think he even talked a little bit about like the the killing yeah yeah he's a serial killer it's it i i see no difference between him and fucking dead bundy or whatever it is i normally hear uh people who have like these elaborate claims about you know their service and and stuff like this and yeah a lot of times there's a bit of embellishment but from everything i can tell he actually did go to be a mercenary in zimbabwe wow wow yeah yeah that's serial killer shit wild look he's not a racist hey hey what he isn't is a murderer all right he's a legal in 1998 he was one of the featured speakers at the racial

separatism right right right but that's not racism that's separatism it's completely different there's also on c-span you can find a two-hour symposium that uh they rented out the national press club sure and it's the um the uh a group that wants to end racism through self-determination and it's this guy chidam bad jared taylor not good couple other racists bad and they're just talking about how black people and white people should be around each other that's what i was you shouldn't force me to live around black people it's wild wild so anyway i've promised you this caller and now i will pay off this caller it has to do with the conversation that they're having about torture all right this caller kind of thinks torture is fine and so alex knows i'm

gonna make some cheap points here this is gonna be easy it's gonna be great he's saying essentially like why is it so bad uh when we do it when they do it that kind of thing sure moral moral relativism is great it always works and alex brings up like well he brings up the example of vietnam right this was an interesting thing for him to bring up but it was a more interesting response and away we go did you know that the revolutionary war we didn't torture anybody and we treated the red coats with respect and that ended up helping us did you know the british did torture and that blew up in their face so you don't know what you're talking about well that's what i saw on a milky hold on hold on the northerly is the maze when our when our jets would get shot down with torture people

and they said oh it's to get intelligence now are you saying it was okay for them to torture our pilots it would save communist lives alex there were no pilots we didn't even dive bomb those guys what oh you're saying pilots didn't get tortured by me no pilots all planes weren't allowed to go over there we weren't allowed to bomb them we weren't allowed to gather intelligence we weren't allowed to do anything you really are sir sir we did have soldiers we did have a lot of pilots captured none now come on now you know you know we weren't allowed to bomb or no sir one of them's a senator right now john mccain was in custody are you saying we didn't have people shot down in torture who could be shot down when we're not allowed to fly over it otherwise we're glad

out of there how long you've been listening to this show a couple years and all this time listening you don't know that we had uh people shot down over vietnam well alex i mean i did a whole report for history class once on vietnam so i know history class i was all over the library sir sir do you know about the sand missile batteries you didn't you didn't know we had thousands of aircraft shot down there were no aircraft we weren't allowed thousands thousands thousands doing if we weren't allowed to bomb that answer me that that was hannoy we couldn't bomb see alex is right there was this area around hannoy and the port yes um no flyspace yeah and so this caller has taken this erroneous understanding of the

information whole country most likely that's the explanation for taking this and then creating a narrative out of the entire island can't fly over it it's very similar in terms of the way that alex uses 100 but it's something that is so comically um disputable debunkable that alex wouldn't even think of like there were no planes in vietnam yeah that one's like that one's good it's ridiculous i i mean but this guy believes it yeah no i and he believes it oh yeah that is not a man who is at all fucking with anyone nope that is a man who did a fucking report for history class okay yeah he knows his shit i do i do love there's there's a tiny moment in there where alex is about to say you are really stupid but he stops he did do that he did do that i love that i heard that yes because

it's like that's probably the most you should have that's a fair one that's ridiculous yeah you can't believe that no you can't sir but he does excuse me sir no you cannot and he believes it so much that it stumps alex i know a lot of people are like you but i care about you i care about you being a free person jonathan what are you going to do when you find out that we had thousands of jets and prop planes and c 130s and b 52s and thunder chiefs and and and just just tons of aircraft and i expect you to expect me to believe that they all just shot the vietnamese and bombed them and everything else yeah man what yes we had a war from 1964 to 1972 1973 and we lost thousands of we were allowed to very yes yes and the vietnamese did torture them they had them on tv saying america

was bad after they've been tortured yes that did happen yes it did and tortures wrong anything else jonathan all right i mean i mean i mean uh it's wild hey look we can agree to disagree whether or not planes were over vietnam and uh the vietnam war sure operation rolling thunder didn't happen this is why i love this show in 2003 this is like you just don't get it you can't like i never would have imagined i would never have imagined no i if we've known people who were written for s and l we've known people who've done all kinds of things and if they had brought that sketch to somebody they'd been like no that would never fly but i well like the planes and yeah i don't think anybody would be able to even conceive of this as like you sit around and you

workshop some conspiracies for like a fake caller total around with alex the there were no planes in vietnam is amazing yeah amazing yeah that's why that's why the birds are a conspiracy that's why that swing was so good because the idea of just being like nope all birds aren't real but that's of course why you can see through it so easily is because you're like i mean obviously birds are real oh there are no birds in vietnam by that i mean planes oh shit you might be right are there are oh all planes are birds or all birds are planes not all birds are gentlemen but all birds so uh alex what about the scotsman how's the scotsman do it is he true or not uh i bet there are no true scotsman so um alex ends the call with this guy having made no headway

um this guy i believe that this guy he leaves the call still thinking there were no planes in vietnam i i think it's one of his foundational beliefs probably yeah so um alex pivots from this call to talking with his water sponsors who comes on every day and uh he wants to talk about that caller with water say of course you do all right there are planes and by no planes we're over vietnam please please confirm i'm not insane right i'm not insane please water sponsors he's water sponsored and and and jonathan i don't know what i can say to you we're gonna go to kim and mark and alan and shaw and others here in a minute i want to bring up for five minutes of my good buddy jim shepherd i appreciate holding uh jim did you hear that guy saying that our that our pilots

weren't shot down in vietnam and tortured yeah i did and i just think that you know there's a lot of it depends on where you're getting your information you know if you just pull up the nightly news and listen to the ted couples of the world you get this real pretty picture of the way things are what things ought to be but you know if you dig in and you start looking a little bit below the surface there's all kinds of information out there you are going the complete wrong direction you don't have to dig beneath the surface to find out what happened in vietnam opposite way well you are drilling i think they're probably for the gentleman that called in he's probably you know he's heard you and he hasn't heard that before and he hasn't probably taken the time to actually

look into the matter what yeah so what i'm hearing is the lawyer sponsors saying like man if you just listen to the msm they'll tell you there were no planes over me enough adding the problem with ted copple i mean i hate to use this expression because it's plain related but like that's how on autopilot yeah like a lot of this could be it is just like yeah it's the mainstream media who tell you something stupid i just couldn't dig for the truth what are you talking about sell your filters oh boy anyway alex goes back to calls all right i know we can breathe this air but how about this i bet there's a lot of air at the bottom of the ocean so let's just dive down in there free and see what happens you fucking ted copple listening motherfucker so alex goes back

to calls and of course this becomes the only thing that is relevant it's the only thing i could think about yeah and this caller says something that i love a turn a phrase that i've never heard before and i plan to start using okay walton kansas city go ahead or god bless you alex uh i heard this guy on there and well i'll tell you what uh for him that for he didn't think that a lot of our guys got shot down or that we just didn't blow anything up over there he was correct in the fact that there were no fly no attack zones and that's what the imperiated me is a lot of the no fly no attack zones were for their tank farms not tanks as an army tanks but in fuel tanks we weren't to bomb those well he was saying that we didn't lose any pilots or that they weren't tortured in

vietnam yeah well i don't everybody was tortured over there that was captured you can bet your bippy on that yeah you go bet your bippy i will bet all the bippies on that god i hope i didn't look it up i hope that's not a racist expression because it sounds so funny now you made me say it i know now we're both culpable if if this is a racist expression we are saying and it's innocently please let us know i'm going to go we're going to google it right now we will edit this part wow okay uh what does bet your sweet bippy mean um that it's definitely correct okay so the expression became popular in the late 60s when characters used it on a show called laughing oh it was a laughing thing wow it's similar to the expression you can bet your ass yeah of course

this expression has the same meaning you could be certain about that bet your bottom dollar they were just trying to get around censorship right so i don't think it's racist sure oh what a relief hey you never know it was on laughing which i mean what's her name isn't going to be never mind i already forgot yep so uh ron paul comes on in the third hour i forgot that ron paul was coming after that call i'm i'm lost but it's it's really a boring interview he's only a couple segments there's not really much to say but do they talk about the planes of course they do of course they do that's the only thing we're talking about now and i've had ron paul on this show many times we're gonna have him for the next two segments maybe even get to a few calls in the next segment

i got a host of issues i want to throw out at the congressman but congressman ron paul before we go any further i had a caller last hour that caused quite a controversy here on air he's not a culture which was basically a good idea and then he's and then i said well what about our troops that got shot down in vietnam they got tortured what are you saying that was okay he then said no none of our troops got shot down over vietnam i'm going from memory here but weren't you involved in vietnam in the air no not really i was involved during that period of time i was in the military i was in the air force as a flight surgeon from 1963 to 68 but not actually in vietnam okay but but now now i know that we had a bunch of aircraft

shot down and troops tortured but can you give us your historical view on that well i mean that doesn't even deceive i mean i can't understand anybody saying that we probably had a lot more helicopter shot down than airplanes and the people in the helicopters were the ones that ended up being prisoners so often but there were hundreds of helicopters shot down a good use of time i love the i love the presentation of this it caused quite a controversy no it didn't it absolutely did not what i what i think is is fascinating about this is on a show like this you get a call like this guy and one of the things that would be maybe a good use of time is exploring why someone would think this yeah and like understanding the the information and the

use of it the misuse of it alex could actually provide his audience with maybe a little bit of a service if they explored that as opposed to him constantly running up against people like other callers his water sponsor ron paul and just being like hey give my back on this yeah seriously because no one needs to get his back no i can't i can't imagine him being insecure about listeners believing that caller but maybe that's the truth maybe he does feel like he needs people to vouch for him that there were planes because now someone has introduced the idea that there weren't because in his world that is once you introduce that possibility that is a real possibility in our world bro hey bro you plane pilled that's what i'm saying in our world that is not a possibility

but in his world if you just introduce that thought he has to then confront it with his brain that says well they've lied about planes before uh oh you know he can't not do that right that's part of his brain were you there totally i wasn't there in i'm if i heard this call you saw pictures of planes that's what i'm saying if i heard this call i'd be like dude they were there either it like what does it take to convince you because i know for a fact they were there so i will give you what information you just you just saw forest gump man that's all you know man hey dude then i guess we gotta go you believe you believe i do fucking there were i listen i love you believe mccain have you seen ted copple mccain is a globalist shill that's true right he would lie about flying

a plane you know you're bringing up a lot of good questions i just like the idea that there's an imagined thought process of one of these listeners that's like huh maybe there were no planes alex says that there were a water sponsor seems to be pretty convinced wait ron paul yeah ron paul says they're playing now that you know that way yeah but ron paul's part of the government yeah but he's the good part you think that but he thinks that there were planes over vietnam how do you know he's part of the good part oh no yeah this calls into question everything i can see now why he's having a meltdown all of a sudden there's a sism there is in real time there's the uh you know like how q anon had the people who think jfk juniors alive and the other people

who don't right now we have the planers and no planers no planers yeah so we've won last clip here okay and it's just checking in on the success rate of alex's films i've made ten documentary films we have found no better tool this is not hype folks this is the truth you've heard the listeners okay no better tool at unlocking minds all right 90 percent of those that see 9 11 road to tyranny masters a chair police state three total enslavement matrix of evil dark secrets inside bohemian grove they're waking up holding steady 90 percent holding steady at 90 good good no dip no that's great yeah absolutely love it no no complaints if you got a 90 percent conversion rate that is what advertisers would die for yeah

i'm not gonna do this but if anybody wants to waste some time it would be great if they graft this yeah that would be i will continue giving updates on the success rate but it would be really interesting to have like a line graph of how this is over time it is and you know like uh whoever described the stock market as a measurement of rich people's emotional state you know this is one man's emotional this is one man's emotional state how well his documentaries are doing in a fictional state of conversion yeah yeah i like i think that'd be valuable for historians so jordan we come to the end of this and i have to ask did that caller disappoint absolutely not nope 100 nailed it don't remember anything else that happened prior no notes there were no planes

at all over vietnam is such a statement that he said with conviction yeah that he said with true belief and that he was not willing to waver from this is this is what i'm talking about about the past it's just like there are times when you can enter interact with something that is really meaningful and there's like an in-depth conspiracy that alex is you know you can track the way that he's misusing information in a valuable way much more than the present yeah and simultaneously you can watch you can listen to one episode and he declares war on cats because he's insecure about his wife's cat sure then the next episode there's a caller who doesn't think there were planes in there weren't planes in vietnam it's just better it's it's a better time there's fireworks there's

more meat on the bones yep there's more interesting things oh yeah uh it's just better and i hope we can make it uh to the yeehaw i'm excited for the live show i'm excited but if if we suspiciously start slowing down around the last week before march we'll see we will see what happens but until then jordan may have a website indeed we do it's knowledge fight dot com yes we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's ad knowledge underscore fight yep we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx carc i would really appreciate it if you did not send anymore emails to the button email uh i've got them coming out buttons are done people who uh needed replacements people who moved all that i have gotten those emails just please don't send anymore emails i'm not

going to see them no more emails the shit's done anyway uh the the juicy ice cubes and now here comes the sex robots andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you