Knowledge Fight - #778: January 8, 2004

Episode Date: February 20, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan push on in the hopes of making it to the Dean Scream in time for their upcoming live show.  In this installment, Alex gets mad that no one compliments his ability to kill quail, and almost interviews a progressive activist. Click here to contribute to the Dreamy Creamy Fundraiser

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, where should we put the altar of slain and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Indeed, we are Dan Dan? Yeah Quick question for you What's up? What's your bright spot today? Why don't you go first?

Okay, I will go first My bright spot, Dan, is there is a new season of Taskmaster Ooh! From Australia What? Taskmaster Australia season is out If I had to guess It's great

It's pretty good It's pretty great I will tell you this We've discussed the So far I believe there's three now versions of Taskmaster There's New Zealand New Zealand and Australia New Zealand, we discussed the New Zealand Alex position

Fantastic, incredible The New Zealand Greg Davies position Terrible, absolute garbage It's a different vibe And I understand I disagree in as much as I think that he Serves his role But yeah, it's very much different than Greg

Respectful Australia? Greg Davies position, fantastic Alex's horn position, garbage Oh no It's a complete inversion of the form It's kind of weird This is a

This should mash him up I think so I'm telling you I mean, there is a command You know, but I think that The Alex horn on this one Is missing the mark Just by virtue of a few different little

Little foibles He seems less Less completely reserved Like part of it is you have to be completely deadpan You know, he seems like he's He's smile, you know It's a little bit difficult to pull off There is a line

I would say the Alex position is far harder Of the two jobs One where the guy shows up and talks all the time And is a pompous ass The one where the guy does all the work That one is the harder job And we have no familiarity with those kind of dynamics But you also have to be like

Like you're saying You have to walk that line of like Being funny and getting the joke But also Like being all business You have to be a Dave Foley in news You have to be a perfect straight man Well, I have a growing suspicion

That Australia is just better at media It's, it's, I mean, we'll see I mean, maybe not better than the UK In terms of shows that originate from the UK But I mean, in terms of survivor They have killed the game Do you think it's because the woke mob Hasn't gotten to Australia yet, Dan?

My man, you said it Thank God you said it Finally, you know, it's nice to be able to talk You know, now that Alex's podcast is off the air We don't need to worry about being made fun of Survivor, go woke, go broke What's your right spot? I don't think that's the case

I just think, I don't know I don't know exactly what it is They're trying different things, maybe I don't know, I gotta watch this Taskmaster Australian I'll let you know The Australian challenge was pretty good I'm, I think the Australians know how to make A good reality TV show

And that may be because Australia is only about Three and a half miles away from the sun I think that could be it That could be It's real hot The theories that abound We'll find out one day My right spot, Jordan, is

We are in this little bit of An interstitial period of things In as much as we have our live shows coming up And also just finished Sending out all the buttons and everything So we're in that little in-between place And so I decided What we're gonna do is

I'm going to close the fundraiser That we had for the buttons Okay, good At the end of the week So if anybody would like to join in And throw some support To the Transgender Law Center That we have been raising funds for

With the buttons I realize I haven't mentioned that in quite a while Yeah, it hasn't been quite a while Maybe things people have forgotten And maybe those donations Have completely dried up and what have you But if people would like to chip in For that, that would be wonderful

Yeah, that's a great idea And also, we had a second person Who got a Wonka button Ooh, we got a second Wonka button So this is Kristen Out there got the second bright spot bar And so a donation has been made To the charity of their choice

Which is Gender Justice Excellent So spectacular, thank you for that And also, here's the thing Gender Justice Kristen reached out a while ago And here's what happened As is our want

It went to the email that you monitor And you forwarded it to me Oh, okay, I was gonna say I can't believe that I would have Just skipped that one You forwarded it to me And I saw it And was like, look at that

And forgot that I need to do something The protocols didn't kick in It seemed like an announcement Less than a, oh, I need to do something about this And so it completely slipped my mind Until I was going through all of the buttons To finish all that up And I found that the email was also in there

But it took forever to get to the point Where I got to that because of the fucking Naturally Thousands of emails I mean, I would say something In the neighborhood of 15 to 17,000 buttons Sent out to people Countries all over

Every continent except Antarctica Which I don't know if we would be able To get any buttons down there Yeah, we would have to send a person To do that That's an emissary requirement Here's what I'll say Because they live underground

The button requests are done And we'd have to escape the Nazis True Unless they are reformed And want buttons That could be No No, not gonna happen

But the button requests are closed Right However If you are in Antarctica I will make an exception I will send you a button Only if you are in Antarctica And this is truly because it'd be really fucking cool

Just if there was some random person in Austria Yeah Because we need to hit all the continents Yeah Is Antarctica a continent? Antarctica is a continent What a relief Yeah

So anyway Congratulations, Kristen Congratulations, Kristen I don't think the other Wonka button Is ever going to be We'll see I think it's got lost in the mail Heading to Scotland

Oh, man I know it was international I don't know if it was going to Scotland Well, there's still time There's still time I don't think there is Because I sent it months ago All right

Well, that is an issue Yeah, that one's a good one Maybe they just don't know That they got the special button Because it's been so long Since they figured... I mean, I don't even remember What it looks like

It's got a treasure chest on it Yeah It says what's your bright spot Right Yeah So maybe somebody got it And was like What a great button

And had no idea That that was one of the golden buttons That could be And calling them the golden button Was a big mistake Because one of the regular buttons Was bright yellow That is

That was Yeah The Wonka reference Was not a literal reference Which is an unfortunate part Anyway We have an episode to go over today, Jordan Indeed

And this is in spirit Of that interstitial period We have dealt with In the bright spot Three buttons Sure Now we come to the episode Where we discuss

The march up to the live shows So I realize that I had made a number of jokes That weren't jokes About how one of our live shows I want to be about The Howard Dean Scream It was very much not a joke

Yes And that seemed very doable Because we had a bit of time Before the live show And it was like Hey, that happened in January That was in the early times Of the primaries

Running up on it What I didn't realize was From the point we were at To when that happens Was 20-something days In 2003 time Which is a lot to get through In terms of our pace

And I was like That's gonna be fucking impossible Yeah, what's that? 60 hours? Ehh 80 hours? Yep 90?

3 hours Well, no, it's not 30 days But you get the point It's a lot Yeah, it's a lot But even so Even if like listening To all of it and going through it

Was a ton Presenting it on the show We didn't have enough episodes To get through By the time we have the live shows So that was a challenge And I realized Maybe the dream was dead

It wasn't Oh, I was gonna say Did the episode end? The dream was just asleep And I had to wake up the dream Okay The dream got woke and went broke Oh boy

I don't How many more rhymes do we get? So here's the situation I started going through The 2003, of course I'm going through it And we got a little bit lucky Because part of the time

Between where we were In December And where the Scream happens In January Christmas break And New Year's break And New Year's break And so there were a number of episodes

That Alex just wasn't there Don't need them He runs And what have you Right Then you also run into a situation where He's not trying Wow

It's the end of the year Hey, you know It's the beginning of the year We've all had We've all been there Oh We've all been there It's

It's nothing I will get back to where Nothing is going on In earnest On January 4th or 5th At best You're being very generous Yeah

So we are gonna be able to sort of Smash forward a little bit And actually today's episode will be Mostly about January 8th Which is where we jump back into Anything that I felt meant anything So You can imagine

There was a lot of listening to Yeah, how many That's two full weeks of shows That you skipped over Almost three I didn't skip over that I'm allowing you to Apologies

Apologies I mean In your Treading water Just nothing Yeah, yeah And I think It should be said

I think a large part of why These episodes were a little bit Is there were much less calls And I don't think that his calls are good In 2003 But I do think that there's something In how they change the presentation of the show Like it breaks up his

Clear non-coverage of stories His rants are monotonous and boring And so the calls kind of give A side track from that And a lot of the guests that he has Back in 2003 Aren't very interesting either Right

And so having a balance of You know, guests Who maybe is aligned with White supremacist Nazis But they don't talk about it Calls, mini rants And then just rattling off headlines It kind of works

But if you take the calls out of it You're left with just stuff It's like a bread sandwich The calls provide the element of chaos That makes listening to the Stayed almost kind of monotonous bullshit Worth it And sometimes they inform whatever happens

At the rest of the show Like the last time when Alex got really mad At the guy who said There are no planes in Vietnam Dan, there are no planes in Vietnam Right, I mean, you describe They wouldn't let us fly them You describe it as chaos

And certainly it is But it's also something else It's also something else And also creation And I think that during this period Yeah, like I was saying There's less calls And I think that hurts things

But anyway, we're going to jump into January 8th And a little bit before that A long way Because there's a couple of points That I think are relevant Yeah But before we do

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And this one, actually I mean, look I'm getting put on blast But I accept it You know, I didn't realize it But it is something that I do And thank you so much Dan, there is no P in the word something

Thank you so much You are now a technocrat I'm a Policy Wonk I have risen above my enemies I might quit tomorrow, actually I'm just gonna take a little breaky now A little breaky for me And then we're going to come back

And I'm gonna start the show over But I'm the devil I'm gonna be taking all the hair And all this Fuck you Fuck you I got plenty of words for you But at the end of the day

Fuck you in your new world order And fuck the horse you rode in on And all your shit Maybe today should be my last broadcast I mean, maybe I'll just be gone a month Maybe five years Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow And you never see me again

That's really what I want to do I never want to come back here again I apologize to the crew And the listeners yesterday That I was legitimately having break-downs on air I'll be better tomorrow He's not Nope

And he never has been Nope And he's not so great in 2003 Like I said, it's a lazy slog He kinda is checked out Sure But there is very little conversation at all About the primaries that are coming up

He's very much anti-bush, obviously But there's no real conversation about Like John Edwards, John Kerry Even Howard Dean Who is the presumptive front-runner Coming into the primaries Although tenuous front-runner I think would be a fair way to describe it

Because once the primaries start He's not very strong It was fairly wide open at that point Because Bush had a iron grip on the world And yeah He did, you know, he was doing quite well And there was a lot of excitement about his candidacy But he underperformed from the jump

Right I would say But even as it may Like before the primaries got going There was a lot of Dean conversation And so Alex, on December 29th Brings up Howard Dean And it turns out, does not like him

Oh But don't worry, the snake Dean Howard Dean blasts Bush over Mad Cowscare I say that because I've been studying Dean Watching him and that guy's got evil in his eyes And evil in his actions He says Bush didn't do enough quickly enough To stem the tide of panic

And he says we need federal control And federal funding to help you ranchers And I'm not saying I like Bush My point is these guys are all globalist trash folks He's another Yale boy Yeah, so the audio on that episode Is also borderline unusable Yeah, yeah, yeah

It's pretty, pretty bad Oh, yeah, he hates Dean, he's evil Dean's a snake Snake Dean Snakey snake Dean He's putting us all on double secret probation Yeah, he's a, he's a... Didn't, he helped Mad Cow something

Yeah, yeah, I do appreciate how Alex Tries to turn even the best things into like Oh, he wants to help ranchers Like no, I mean, yeah, he does You can say it weird, but that is what he wants There is a lot of Mad Cow talk during this time Sure It was a very hot issue

Cows are pissed And Alex has some weird thoughts His belief seems to be that there is so much more Mad Cow than people are saying Wait, so there's a ton of Mad Cow? Yes, okay And most Alzheimer's is actually Mad Cow Okay, but he also doesn't think

Dean should say we should do anything about it Well... It's unclear, Alex is in a tough position Because obviously, like a lot of the The transmission of Mad Cow comes from feeding cows Dead cows and stuff Or contamination of food supplies for farm animals Right, right, right

Wash your hands, everybody The issue there is, ah, how do we solve this? Regulation and enforcement of regulation Regulation And so that puts Alex in a little bit of a bind And so he doesn't really have much to say other than He throws out the term Crutsfield Jacob a lot And I guess he thinks that that just proves all his points

Sure He's like, ah, it's just Alzheimer's Everybody, most cases are Mad Cow It's just Alzheimer's Well, no, that's not fair He's not minimizing Alzheimer's Right, right, right, right He's saying that it's so much more prevalent

Sure We all are already living with it They're trying to attack the small rancher And kill off their cows So the problem isn't that there's a lot of Mad Cow The problem is that they've been covering up How much Mad Cow there has been for so long And they're making a big deal out of it now

In order to attack the small ranchers And put them out of business The people who Howard Dean wants to help Allegedly So we enter a down period Sure There's not much going on Not much going on

And we jump back in here on January 5th And I'm not actually even sure this is super relevant But Alex talks a little bit about Bush And this is weird And this weekend, listening to Talk Radio I heard the big national host Two separate ones praising him Oh, he got some quail

Oh, he's such a hunter Did you see him with that chainsaw? He's such a Texan I mean, this would be like if I went to New York And started talking about what a great New Yorker I am I'm tired of it, folks It's admitted that the Crawford Ranch is a set Complete with old tractors, hay bales

Everything It is a set And a couple times a year Bush goes out with a chainsaw A giant chainsaw And will cut one-inch trees And it's just mindless I'm just sick of it

Oh, he's such a good country boy He's like John Wayne I can't handle any more of it, folks I don't know, six, seven Plus generation Texan I think more than that What, 1829? Spanish land grants, 1830

On my father's side of the family On my mother's side, German immigrants In the 1840s So you're a legal immigrant It doesn't matter But it's just a symptom of all the other phoniness The turkey put together by some chef Presented to the troops

No one was allowed to eat it The fable of Jessica Lynch That being a fabrication Bush and the Maiden USA Boxes behind him last year Up in St. Louis Maiden USA It was really made in China

My point is, it's an illusion It was an illusion with Bill Clinton It's an illusion with George Bush And so many people I mean, they think, wow He's out hunting for quail He must be pro-second amendment That's what this neocon was saying this weekend

Then I flipped channels Here another one praising him Oh, he's so wonderful You know how hard it is to shoot quail He's so manly Shooting quails about the easiest thing there is On the face of the planet You find quail and you got a shotgun

Only a complete moron couldn't shoot him It's a ground bird I've shot this giant stacks of them I've never missed I'm just tired of it I can't handle it anymore Why are you so mad about people Being like, oh, Bush got a quail

You know, I think for people Who have such deep Seated roots in a place The idea of somebody, some carpet bagger Coming in and putting on these affectations Someone acting as though there was somebody Who didn't have millions of dollars Acting as though they were like the every man

Someone who didn't have even one boat They were trying to act like something they weren't I think that made him really angry To see someone else act like a thing That they were not actually themselves Yeah, I get what you're putting down there I was being real subtle I think there's a mix of that

And maybe just a little jealousy That's exactly what it is It's jealousy, yes No one gives me credit for being a big manly man Who shoots stacks of quails It's jealousy, it's 100% jealousy I want people to say how great a Texan I am That's why I'm going to vote for the guy

Who I think will call me the Texan in the White House True, he's wrapped up in that identity He's wrapped up in that identity Yeah, I mean, sure I guess their Crawford Ranch Isn't like a fully operating ranch But like, how could it be? Yeah

They have lives in the city I don't know Is Alex's family ranch a fully operating ranch? Yes And Alex works on it for 14 hours every day While researching While also recording his show I don't think it was

But I think recently, if you remember Alex says his dad's getting back into cattle Yes, I do recall that So maybe there's some cattle on the ranch now But, um Oh, God Yeah, I don't know I just felt like, ooh, this is interpersonal

This isn't political Nope This is Alex That's his heart In his feelings So, again, a little bit of a dull stretch And we get to January 8th And we get some dean business

Finally, we get into the meat Well, a scandal has broken out A scandal? Yes Oh, shit This was not something I remembered So we know that they stage We know that it's an advertisement technique

Of propaganda It's a pitch, okay That's what's happening They're using high-tech advertisement techniques To sell us an image, to sell us an idea That they're our saviors Give our rights up They'll keep us safe

But the hypocrisy comes in here This is off Russia Limbaugh's website The making of the money shot And it says, did any of you wonder When you saw this photo of Howard Dean and Bill Bradley Who's Dean in Iowa How the diminutive Dr. Dean Who claims to be 5'8 and 3 quarters

Appears the same size as 6'5 Former NBA star We did too Well, the images below Grabbed from CNN's coverage Show us how that feat was pulled off With some skilful platform Click the panels for larger images

And they've got a clip to provide And to see what's afoot They've got a video clip In the first frame, Bradley is speaking And you'll notice that he's standing on a platform While Dean watches far in the background When Bradley introduces Dean They switch places, Dean steps up

And Bradley steps down The series of images show From behind how their position switch Puts them at a relatively equal height Having duped their willing accomplices in the media What? And they think all of us, you idiots In America, they turn for the money shot

And suddenly our vertically challenged Democrat front-runner is as tall As the imposing looking as the former NBA superstar endorsing him And yes, this is how they stage things But that's the oldest thing in the book For politicians that aren't very tall To have a box

Yep So the scandal is Rush Limbaugh is really mad Yep That they made, they gave a box Or a platform Sure So how Dean would look as tall as Bill Bradley

Which no one in their right mind would think Is like, they're standing on level platforms If they are appearing to be the same height Because he's a tall man Now while I recognize that it is 2003 Which is the past And I remember all of us being much, much less Sophisticated back then

But I truly believe That no one was like, wow Look at 6'5", Howard Dean I don't think anybody thought that One of the big photos that you can find here If you'll look at my screen there That's from Getty Images And it shows

It clearly shows Bill Bradley again Substantially taller He was in the NBA, no one could possibly Maybe, here's what I would accept If it was a guy at my height You know, 6 feet tall And he looked exactly my height And we're only talking about

You know, just in a few inches in there It's like his dating profile height You know, like I'm 5'10 on my dating profile That kind of thing You know, maybe that's a little bit of Possible deception Possible staging, something like that He said he's 5'8", and 3 quarters

That's bad enough But Bill Bradley Is the height of Michael fucking Jordan There's no way that you're going to be like Oh, I think that is him, that's crazy I also wasn't fully paying attention As I was listening to this I don't know, I got distracted by something

And I thought they were talking about Sean Bradley And I was like, that's going to be tough to cheat You're going to need a big platform Better than, I mean better than Marion Bradley I suppose How tall was Marion Bradley? He was 6'8", Sean Bradley was 7'7". I know, that's what I'm saying

Okay That would be better Yeah, if Sean Bradley and Bill Bradley Were next to each other They'd need to cheat it If Sean Bradley were next to Bill Bradley Were next to Howard Dean That's like your chart of evolution

Is what that is That's like a roller coaster Slamp, slope downward Tony Hawk should jump off of the ramp Place that they're all three holding So, I thought this was pretty petty And maybe not that interesting Oh yeah

And I was getting ready to judge Alex for it Sure But then there's a twist Okay, of course there's a twist Alex doesn't really care about this Okay But why does Wimbledon Sit there and make a big deal

Out of Howard Dean trying to look tall Compared to people committing felonies Fair Or handing out fake turkeys And I heard These very talk show hosts These neo-cunch They don't care about open borders

They don't care about bush planning to sign The assault weapons ban They don't care about all the Sell out of Taiwan to China They don't care about that They squeal when Hillary Went to Afghanistan to present Turkeys to the troops

And of course it was a staged event Yes, it's obvious But it was bad when she did it And simultaneously, I heard it on one big National show in the same ten minutes Good when Bush does it So it's Yeah, you got it, man

You figured out how American politics work I thought it was interesting That you have this Stupid critique Of the presumptive Democratic Frontrunner at the primaries And Alex resists Taking that

And actually aims the critique At Rush Limbaugh And these folks who are like Why are you so mad about this But not mad at Bush doing photo ops Right Stuff, I thought that was interesting Because it's a small

Maybe not that important point Sure But it's at least Like I can't really argue with it It is more interesting than what Rush Limbaugh did Yes So that's an achievement for Alex We should all be very proud of him in 2003

Well, he's prioritizing a potshot At Limbaugh over Dean Yeah Which is something While at the same time Wrapping it all up In his other meaningless potshot

Towards other people staging Bullshit Fair Yeah So ultimately none of it means anything Nope And neither does this next call I just wanted another comment

I used to work at this television show I don't know if I should say name Because it might give them a bad name You can say the name of anything you want, sir It's called the First Amendment Exactly Well, that's what I'm about to get to A friend of mine I work with

I used to roommate with him But I moved out because he was just complete I don't know, I guess, jerk, maybe Okay, fine, go ahead And I brought up a couple of points I was like, yeah, you should really listen To this guy on the radio He's like, well, radio shows are blah, blah, blah

And trying to talk bad about you Or trying to just say that you tell lies And I was like, you know He makes complete sense to me I think outside the box, you know And I guess he's just brainwashed Or something, but I tried to tell him about Pearl Harbor

And how the president knew about it As it's like two weeks in advance And he's like, no, they didn't know that A lot of documents are declassified In public now Yeah, and everybody at the work Thought I was crazy or some terrorist They labeled me anti-American

Just because I believed the president's Not a good person And the government can't be trusted It made me really mad because I mean So I guess all the Founding Fathers are terrorists Because they said don't trust the government All the Founding Fathers who made the government Anyway, yeah, this guy is wrong

So is Alex Yep It is not widely documented and declassified That FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor bombing Two weeks in advance Yeah, that would have been an issue That is an interesting conspiracy theory That has come down from the sort of

Anti-interventionists of that time Obviously a lot of people had the Let's not get into the war argument And not all of them were Nazi sympathizers Sure, sure, sure But I do think a lot of the ones who may be Drifted towards these conspiracy theories Might have had some overlap with people

Who had some maybe sympathies Yeah, that doesn't sound true But then the two weeks in advance And the declassified stuff A lot of that has to do with a book A Day of Deceit by a guy named Robert Stinnett And it's all just nonsense But anyway

I think we would have found out If time travel had existed through that last clip Interesting How do you mean? Because if time travel existed Then once Alex said Sir, you can say anything you want It's called the First Amendment

Future Alex would have tackled him off of the stage And been like Hey man, you cannot say whatever you want I get it I wanted that guy to say what TV show he worked on I know That would have been interesting I think it was Law and Order

No I would bet dollars to donuts That you'd never have heard of the show And it's not because of the time That it was 2003 It would have been a show that no one had ever heard of And might have been on a local access Right, right, right

But that would make sense So at least we got a call Yeah, that's good Sure The reason I decided to... He actually worked on Aquatine Hunger Force In 2003? Yeah

Is that concurrent? I think it wasn't that far off It might be I may be like three years off That's weird to think about Yeah, it is weird to think about Let's not dwell any longer on how old we are So

The reason I decided to Stop on January 8th Yeah Was I heard that Alex had a guest on That I got pretty excited about And it's a guy named Brett Bursey He's a guy who is a Progressive

Activist Sure And has been for a very long time Interesting And he had been arrested For protesting Bush In 2002 I'm listening

And so I thought like Wow, this dynamic Is going to be fascinating And so Alex Discusses his arrest A little bit here Okay

The Justice Department is now Prosecuting Brett Bursey Who was arrested For holding a No-War-For-Oil sign At a Bush visit To Columbus, South Carolina Local police

Acting under Secret Service orders Established a free speech zone Half a mile from where Bush would speak Bursey was standing Amid hundreds of people Carrying signs Praising the President Police told Bursey

To remove himself To a free speech zone Bursey refused And was arrested Bursey said that he Asked the police officer It was the content of my sign And he said, yes, sir

It's the content of your sign That's the problem So this is a little bit of a pickle Because in many ways Alex is on the right side Of the issue here In as much as it is true that Bush And his administration

Were not respectful Of protesters' rights And they're a myriad of examples Of people who have received punishments They probably shouldn't have Because of that Yeah On the other hand

Alex is full of shit And he doesn't even deal With this story appropriately Which I contest Is a testament To how unreliable Alex Jones Is as a person to listen to Even when he's making

An argument you agree with You can't really be sure He's making that argument On a basis that you should agree with And you can really never know If the things that he's saying Are accurate and true And what's most important

Is you cannot trust him Even if he does help you out With whatever it is you're doing I expect him to Immediately change his mind Instantly It's a liability Yeah

So this is a story About this guy named Brett Bursey Who's a long time South Carolina progressive activist When I say long time I mean that he was arrested For vandalizing the selective Service offices in 1970

Over his opposition To the war in Vietnam Fuck yeah He has a huge resume And this is far from the first time He was arrested Yeah And when you get right down to it

If you look at his record It doesn't seem like He and Alex would get along at all For example He was once arrested For burning a Confederate flag Which Alex would take issue with Hell yeah

He protested the candidacy Of Lester Maddox For Georgia governor in 1966 Maddox was a segregationist Who would go on to win the election And be a supporter of George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign Which employed most of the people

Who formed Alex's ideology Like Gary Allen Yeah Beyond that He was a member of the Southern Student Organizing Committee Which would later be folded into The Students for a Democratic Society

And I think you can guess What Alex's forefathers In the John Birch Society Had to say about them Oh no they loved it They were definitely not Coming as sympathizers He founded and is still the director

Of the South Carolina Progressive Network Who advocate around issues of social justice Including LGBTQ rights Which Alex is a staunch opponent of Wait still now Or still in 2003 To present then Still now

So 2023 Damn this dude is a Fuck yeah man In short If there ever was a lifelong Globalist agitator According to Alex's ideology Brett Bursey would fit that bill

Yeah As for the issue of his arrest in 2002 There's some fudging of details here In order to sell the story But at the same time It is almost certainly nonsense That he was arrested There are a couple misrepresentations

In the clip that we just heard from Alex The first is that Alex said That the Secret Service set up A free speech zone half a mile From where Bush was going to speak And that's not strictly accurate They set up a restricted area That was 100 yards in each side

Of this hangar And then half a mile in the area Between the hangar and the highway Sure However it is worth noting That an official from the airport Told the New York Times That they set up a free speech zone

Half a mile from the hangar So that could be where that Information is coming from Sure sure sure Yeah yeah The hangar is where the rally Was taking place Not where Bush was landing

Just to be clear He still had to get there to the hangar The restricted area was not fully Restricted the whole time This is the piece that Alex isn't Clarifying when he says that Bursi was standing among hundreds Of people

He definitely was at one point Because the restricted area was free For pedestrians to mill about Until pretty shortly before Bush Arrived The people who were attending The rally needed to wait in line To get in

People who were waiting in line For tickets were there And there were people with signs Within the restricted area Until it was shut down Once the restricted areas became Restricted The ticketed rally attendees

Went into the hangar And everyone else was asked to exit The area Which according to court documents Was what happened Except with Bursi Right Bursi has said that the officer

Said the content of his sign was The problem But outside of the statement I can't find corroboration of that It's entirely possible that it was said Or it's possible that the content Of his sign definitively indicated That he was not a ticketed rally

Goer So that meant that the protocol Would be You have to move along Sure sure sure You know like Yeah yeah yeah I know you didn't buy a ticket

You wouldn't be plausible For the officer to think like Hey maybe you're waiting in line To get in at that point Fuck George Bush I hope he gets lit on fire By a wombat Yeah you didn't buy a ticket sir

Go on Get out of here Use my twenty dollars Yeah exactly like Come on man It seems unlikely Yeah And so like

None of this is to say That he should have been arrested But the particulars of it Are not really being accurately conveyed I don't know Right right right But I mean even then The larger issue is

That there were free speech zones And that's fucked up And everything about that Was going to lead to him being arrested If you Well I mean It becomes It becomes a pretty hard question

Of At what point is it an abuse Of restricting areas And at what point is it A Common sense rational need To protect people Right

And I think there are probably A bit on the wrong side of it I think the Bush administration Probably did abuse Some of that restricted area Ability I appreciate I appreciate the

I think they probably I Come on But I also don't think I don't think in principle It's blanket wrong To have restricted areas When there are people who

Should be the target of I recognize what you're saying Someone throwing a shoe For example I recognize what you're saying But again He had that shoe coming So we have

We have a lot of We have a lot of You have to balance Some things And I do think that this was Out of balance Right But at the same time

It's important to wrestle With that I think And Alex is giving No time Yeah It's easier to say Hey, that was fucked up

But it's a lot harder to say How do we fix that And make sure it doesn't happen Right Yeah So But the misrepresentations I believe keep going

Bursey stated that he had Already moved 200 yards from where Bush was supposed to speak Bursey later complained The problem was The restricted area Kept moving

It was wherever I happened to be standing That is also not accurate What happened Is that Bursey set up shop On the southwest corner Of airport boulevard

In lexington drive With signs and a megaphone When he was approached By officers He decided to Cross the street And go to the northwest Corner of the same

Intersection Both of these Corners were Within the restricted zone The zone Didn't move to Where he was He just wasn't aware

Of where the boundaries Were Fully fault Bursey for this one Because from everything I can tell The boundaries of the zone May not have been

Well communicated In as much as there Weren't like Barriers up And stuff To fully Say you have to be Behind this line

The boundaries of the zone Were wherever it was The cops felt comfortable With people being Outside of the zone Not necessarily Right It was

An established Area Right It was set I mean the line Though there wasn't An exact line Okay

And that could give The appearance That it is arbitrary Or wherever the police Wanted it to be Right But from everything I can tell

From looking at the Court documents That is not the case Right Yeah I mean again If you're going to Have a restricted zone

Put orange cones up It feels absurd I don't disagree You know It feels absurd That we're here It was fully Explained to him

By the officers Sure But yes I totally agree With the physical Representations Of like This is the line

Yeah Please stay behind The line For everyone's safety Yeah And that's The other version Of

You know Like Oh People bought tickets We need to make sure That this area is safe Keeping that line And making that

Something that people Are aware of Is the same thing It's keeping them Safe You cannot Have a question About that

Otherwise There's Pretty severe consequences Coming Sure From this Bursey was charged With trespassing

Five months later The charge was dropped Because of South Carolina Law prohibits Arresting people For trespassing On public property

But the Justice Department In the person Of U.S. Attorney Strom Thurman Jr. Jump in

Charging Bursey With Violating a Rarely enforced federal Law Which If convicted

Bursey faces A six-month Trip Up the river And a $5,000 fine Federal Magistrate

Risto Marchet Denied Bursey's request For a Jury Trial So it is true

That South Carolina's Trespass Statute was Unapplicable Because The airport Is public property

It seems Completely insane To me That's the name So you shouldn't expect much From this guy Can't imagine A Strom

Really being On the wrong side Of history It's fascinating I mean He is Strom Thurman's son Right

And then His son Is named Strom Thurman The third Oh my god And like I don't blame him

For being named Strom Thurman Jr. He didn't choose That But now That he's got A third

Declaration of Independence No aristocracy Dan No entrenched Ruling class No more of this Transferring power From the king

To his son To the son None of that It's all about merit Dan That's what America's about And that's why We

Need to repeal The death tax Yes Exactly Alright Interesting So Alex Is also

He's discussing this Engagement that Bursi could face In terms of like Absolute worst case Scenarios Which were never Going to be applied

In the end He got convicted And he had to pay A $500 fine With a $10 assessment On top That was the verdict That came down on

January 6th Two days Before Alex is doing This episode So he has every reason To know that he's Full of shit About what the

Consequences were Here Bursi appealed His case And the court Upheld Free speech zones Was a big issue

In the early 2000s Yeah Leading the charge Against these Free speech zones And all this Was none other Than Alex's mortal enemy

The ACLU Who constantly seemed To be doing the things That Alex wishes Someone would do Yeah Which is weird Yeah

Weird Yeah You know It's almost like If Alex believed The things That he was saying His career

Would look To Yeah I mean He'd at least Recognize That this isn't Like the evil

Globalist cabal Tendril That he pretends It is They're constantly Doing the things That he screams about Needing to be done

For the most part Maybe not Maybe not all the time Because some of his ideas Are a little bit nuts Yeah So anyway You heard there

At the end That he's not Gonna get a jury trial And that's You know That's the case So Marchet

Denied Bursey's request For a jury trial Oh Another little caveat I thought we got those Because his violation Is categorized

As a petty offense I love this stuff They got laws All over the country Where they take your house If you leave town Your 20-year-old son Has a beer party

They got several cities Into Mexico do this And then they come in And take your house And you can't have a trial Because Well, it's a It's a city

Ordinance But the ordinance Says they take your house But you don't get a trial Man I've been to All kinds of beer parties In my life

A ton of them Were at people's parents' houses Yep A bunch of them Got busted up by the cops I guess I was lucky That I grew up in Missouri Where you don't lose your home

If your child Has a beer party While you're out of town Yeah That would have been That would have been A real interesting Next day at school

You know Like Hey, what happened? That party you threw Was so great last night I heard the cops came What happened next? I don't have a home anymore

Oh You don't have a home And I can't count The number of times Me and my buddies Would be hanging out And they're like You're going to the beer party time

Better watch out They might steal your folks' house Oh, man It's just It's a party But it's not a beer party We got vodka this time Oh, well, they can't do anything

We've got a jungle juice party Cool Better lock the doors Otherwise the cops will steal it Anyway, I want to put A little bow on this section Here where Alex is telling The story of Brett Bursey

He and I can be In agreement about The bottom line issue Namely that Bursey shouldn't have been Prosecuted and that Bush's presidency was a time When the right to protest

Was being chilled by The government And that's a big problem However, this is a conversation And an argument That you can make On its merits Yeah

You don't have to Mischaracterize a situation Fudge details And sensationalize things In order to make That point valid And this is part of The reason why

It isn't useful Necessarily to listen to Alex In order to Even to get a good point Right Right You can get that good point Articulated more really

And more honestly And just as well Somewhere else Right Maybe it won't be as entertaining Maybe you won't The person isn't going to scream Like Terry Gross

Isn't going to scream Right But you might get Better information That can be more useful To your life Yeah, you know I mean

What you've done Is made a really compelling point For why both Alex And the media Are really incapable Of doing a good job Which is that Alex Is able to sensationalize

This story to the point Where maybe you would Find it more interesting Than if it were To be told in the media However, it is far less accurate Whereas the media Doesn't know how to sensationalize

An accurate story Without relying on Any number of different Slight of hand tricks You know But you wonder If that sensationalizing In and of itself

Is, it hurts the truth factor Well, I mean I think that's I think we're the example Of that though Mmm I mean clearly I hurt the truth factor

Yeah I've been meaning to talk To you about that I mean no I think The thing that I come to Is that there's this Like Alex's reporting of this story

In such a way That if you are somebody Who listened to him And you're trying to make this Argument that Bush is chilling The free speech of people Being able to protest You're making this argument to somebody

And they're like This guy got six months in jail Just for having this sign And someone was able to say He got a $500 fine You don't even know What you're talking about You lose the ability to come off

As knowing your point Totally When you are right Right Your point is correct But you have ammunition That will jam your gun Basically

If you want to use that metaphor And that's But that's Alex's child Like that's Alex being a child That's Alex being a child Because he cannot process The idea

That you would give a shit Over as $500 fine So to him It's like if I tell you This injustice happened But the only consequence Of the injustice was $500 You'll be like

Eh there are worse things Right You know I don't particularly care That much about a $500 fine I think it's kind of like A small thing In the grand scheme

Compared to like Six months in jail Sure, sure, no, no, absolutely But it's also the principle Of the thing Absolutely Is what's important And I think that

Everything I can tell About this bursty guy I would assume That though he appealed the case It was not about Not paying $500 No It was about the principle

Of the matter Yeah About justice ostensibly And I also think That from everything You can tell from his history He did a number of things That were meant to be

Confrontational In terms of protesting Hell yeah They vandalized him Through a brick Through the selective service office Yes He had to know

That there was a risk That you were going To face jail time For that And he did And he chose it And he chose it And he continued

And he faced his consequences And he accepted them And that went That's protesting Yeah exactly In that vein of protest That he is involved in Or was involved in

As a younger person Probably not now As a I don't know how old he is But he's You know Not to college Activist anymore

And we'll see him Five years down on the line But like There is a risk That you accept When you put yourself In places where There is the possibility

That can happen Right And I think I would guess That he knew that When he was there Protesting Yeah

I would assume Well that's what makes it A valuable protest If you are Not causing any problems And you're just sitting Quietly in the free Speech zone

Then you have not Really protested A fucking thing Now have you Yeah and I think He knew that Exactly And I think

That was intentional Exactly Fascinating Like he Got Arrested for the The vandalism Of the Selective Service

Office Because the guy He did it with Was an informant Like some guy Infiltrated Their group And he got snitched on

I just want to say That the FBI Has done great things For America And I can't think Of any one of their Million missteps That has created

A far worse world Than if they Had never existed So there's A New York Times Article about him too And so Like

He ended up spending Almost two years In the penitentiary For malicious destruction Of property As he puts it For spraying Hell no

We won't go on Walls But not before He spent some time Hiding in New York City He says His family feared He would be killed

In prison Then he was arrested In Texas For buying 500 pounds Of peyote buttons But beat that charge There

That's the way you do it Yeah, so it looks like He was engaged in Some hallucinogens Crimes And also some My principled Protest crimes

Listen, Ken Keesey Spent two years or so In Mexico Before being deported Back to the United States I mean, I think it's I think it's the way you do it You gotta run

Listen, some of us Get 500 pounds Of peyote buttons Some of us have beer parties We all lose our houses In the end What are you gonna do? So anyway, they're taking

My jury's As evidenced by this case So understand, folks You don't get a jury trial He was facing Six months in federal prison And a $5,000 fine Bonnie, the Constitution says

What? If the offense is above $20 You get a jury trial But the feds, the judges say No, no, six months in federal prison And a $5,000 fine That's petty You don't get a trial

You starting to get it? Oh, we take your house But you can't have a trial Because you can't have a jury trial Because it's a city ordinance Oh, there are, like, Limits for what you can have A jury trial for civil cases

Sure But not in terms of, like, What the punishment is, per se Right He doesn't understand civics And the legal system at all And what I find more fascinating is Well, I bet that never comes back

To bite him in the ass Whoops And that's the thing He also seems to have no curiosity About it at all So the right to the jury trial Does not strictly apply to offenses That are not deemed serious

Which the Supreme Court defined As ones that carry a possible penalty Of over six months' incarceration This delineation was put into place By a 1970 decision So this shouldn't be news to Alex You know, if you're facing up to six months It's not past that line

Every time I hear anything about What the Supreme Court said I think we're all fucking insane For allowing them to exist But also That is insane This shouldn't be a surprise Or even seem that insane

It shouldn't be a surprise to Alex But even to you Or anyone It's a shock to me Like, if you're charged with something Like, let's say, a first-time DUI Sure You don't get a jury trial

You're not going, you're going in front of a judge Right, right, right Here's what I understand that I respect that I just mean that the idea That the Supreme Court would say A serious offense is six months As if that was not a completely arbitrary

And bullshit made-up thing That they just said I'm guessing that there are also Factors that come into play about Like, if the penalty could be You know, three months in jail And a hundred thousand dollars Or something, that's still

Then that's also a serious case Sure I'm sure that there are gray areas Sure But generally speaking If it's over six months in incarceration It's automatically a serious offense Right

So, like, think about how jammed up The courts would be If you required a jury trial For every piss-ant crime That someone gets charged with It would be impossible to function And everyone would be Constantly being called for juries

Yeah, it would almost point out How silly it is to arrest people For those tic-tac-bullshit In the first place Some of them, yes Some of them, maybe not I think a DUI maybe is A DUI is a different story

Worth arresting somebody for And I think a DUI maybe deserves More than six months Or not a d- Well, I don't know We'll see I think there is a An incredible difference

Between a first time and a second time Totally, agreed I think that a lot of people Myself included Have been at least eligible for one Yeah, and at the same time Not recognize the severity of it Until shit got real

Exactly I mean, when I was much younger When I was like 18, 19 I got arrested for a DUI It wasn't a DUI in the end But I did end up in some trouble For drinking and driving Right, right, right

Up till that point There was the dumb Idiot kid thing of like It's no big deal I can handle it I can, you know And it was not the arrest That ended up making it clear to me

That I couldn't It was what happened right before it When my car skid off the road And I couldn't control my car That made it very abundantly clear to me And then the following arrest When the police showed up Was more like a formality for me

It was like, yeah, alright Here we go Listen, I get it guys But my dad is going to be mad when I get home So you can arrest me or whatever But let me thank you We know We know what the real problem here is

And the reality is I would never have gotten a second one And if I had like six months in prison For the first one I think that would be excessive as hell I think for most people Probably generally with the first time But if you still continue

To then drink and drive I think that That's when there should be like Pretty steeply rising punishment Sure, I'm just And that speaks to my point Of the arbitrariness of six months Look at all the conversation we had

And then But the idea that Some asshole Some asshole and eight other assholes Get to be like Six months is a major one Without us having any say That's crazy

I don't know We live in a crazy fucking place I get what you're saying And abstractly I kind of agree with you But functionally I think that maybe it works Maybe

Maybe I don't know We may always disagree on that I think there are massive overhauls Of the justice system That definitely need to happen And maybe that one isn't Super high up on the list

Maybe I mean abolishing the Supreme Court is That's a larger issue I'm not trying to I'm not trying to goat you To goat you Abolishing the Supreme Court Is a whole other issue

Than whether or not You should have a jury trial That would be three months in jail So while you put it that way Sure Anyway I was really excited For

Bursey to show up Because I thought These guys are clearly On different pages This is going to be A very interesting conversation Of

A long time Progressive activist Who has clear principles Surrounding a number of issues That Alex has a big problem with Yeah, I'm thinking of Bill Ayers I'm thinking of Redux

Redux of Bill Ayers Do that That whole like little Ticky tack back and forth Where Bill Ayers is unflappable Yeah But the difference would be That Alex went into the

Conversation with Bill Ayers Knowing it would be Adversary And this one Might be Something that catches him off guard Unfortunately This does not come to pass

Uh-oh Before we go to Robert And John and others That are patiently holding And we do have The international forecaster Joining us In the third hour

And you do not want to miss Bob Chapman Because he made amazing Predictions over the last Three years on this show And unfortunately They've all come true All of them

All of them Predictions I don't even know If I can believe these But He's got a great track record So we'll go over with Bob Chapman

Our liberal friend Who was Convicted Admittedly For protesting The judge says Yeah, you can't protest The president

With folks that Supporting him On a public street Brett Bursey Was real paranoid When we talked to him yesterday And Well this is talk radio

Well Am I going to get Ambushed on the show? No sir, you're not Go to the websites Look at him And we've been calling And calling his phones busy

You know He may have The wrong time zone That happens sometimes When a guest Doesn't show up Which is quite rare For this show

I get the sense That he probably Looked into I was going to say A little bit and was like Yeah, no way No way Okay, this is talk radio

And what he said To assuage my fear Was go look at At his website I go to Prismplanet.com Fuck this Yeah, I would assume

That That was a Radio guest ghosting Because This phone's busy You can't imagine If you're him That this is going to

Even like I said Even if you agree On the bottom line issue This is not like Serving your interest Yeah This is not something Where there's going to

Be common cause Found that That's meaningful This isn't an ally Of yours The only way to win Is not to play Yeah

And I find that A little bit disappointing For my entertainment Value So kind of Like if you assume Which I mean Maybe it's a big assumption

Cause I haven't listened To the next day's shows Or anything Who knows Maybe he shows up on the next day Maybe it was a Time zone issue Yeah

But you assume That he Learned a little bit more And was like I don't want anything to do with this That is the opposite Of disappointing That is like

Yes That is good on you Good instincts I was just thinking That reinforces My like of this man I appreciate If he's got that

Under his belt too Damn This guy's got it At the same time His history Does seem to Have a lot of Willingness to be

In places of Confrontation So Yeah Meaningful confrontation That's a good point Yeah Isn't that a really good point

This would be Very trivial and pointless Exactly Wow man This guy's got it So anyway Bob Chapman's Gonna be coming up

Sure Bob Chapman Of course For our folks Who have not listened To a lot of these Yeah He is someone who

Is a weekly guest Of alex's In the 2008 2009 timeframe He is a guy Who is a Gold salesman He is

Shameful And shameless Gold promoter He works Doomsday profit He works with Alex's Main sponsor

The Midas Resources Who sell Gold Bob promotes the gold And tells people They should go To Midas resources

He's also A flagrant racist Sure And made his start Profiteering off A partied gold Hey What

Lived in I can't even joke About not Excusing that Lived in Rhodesia For a while Yeah that guy Can go fucking

Has a newsletter Called the International Forecaster Sure That is supposed to Be about Finances And what have you

But veers into Pretty racist territory From time to time I found an archive Of that Now the history of money Is pretty racist This is a different thing

Oh okay So in a way Bob is coming up Uh huh And before we Get to that We get another call And this is interesting

Because this guy is A big old sovereign Citizen Sure And Alex Pushes back on him Okay But not for the

Reason you'd think There are no Citizens in Texas No Texas citizens No Colorado citizens There are either One of the three Categories that I just

Mentioned Alright I'm going to be there From everybody A citizen Of your county Of that state Let me finish

They're going to take You to jail still They're going to charge in Their same system Okay here's the thing You have to go through A three step process So I've been doing this

For ten years And I've heard all this And I've watched it And let me tell you Something It does Not work It's about to work

There's a gentleman By the name of John Jennings That's in the process In Florida doing it He's already won A case Where you're dealing with

Laws legislated By state legislators Not by a judge Preciting at the bench You see the difference Why he won that case He won I appreciate your call

You know what I'll do I'll do some shows On the Federal Reserve I'll do some shows On the Fourteenth Amendment I'll do some shows On common law And the incorporation

Of the state To the incorporation Of the District of Columbia But believe me And I'm not mad at you Caller It's a good point To see eight percent

Of people listening Do not even know What you were talking about And so we can't Just sit here In one call And go over this But it gets into

Admiralty law Maritime jurisdiction Which is the Patriot Act Which is what they're using Sorry, what? They're now trying to replace The Constitution The organic law

The stuff that comes out Sorry, what? Of the Magna Carta In 1214 The Magna Carta And back to my Sinai Thousands of years ago Three thousand years ago

With Moses And the Ten Commandments That's why they're trying to Remove the foundation Of western law That came out of Israel They're trying to remove that now And put in Roman civil law

Or magistrate law I'm sorry, what? Yeah What? Yeah Don't you know that? What? Yeah

Yeah What? Yeah What? Yeah Dan Yeah What?

It's clear They're trying to get rid Of the Constitution Which is based on the Magna Carta By way of the Ten Commandments On Mount Sinai Where's Hammurabi In all of this?

He's not in the mix He's on the team Of the Roman Racism all over again Yeah, so they're trying to Replace this with Roman Sure Roman civil law

Yeah I mean, it's tough Does anyone have a law degree In Roman civil law? I can tell you Alex doesn't I don't think he does So Yeah

The issue here Is that Alex agrees Yes, that is a problem With the sovereign citizen types And this guy And he might even believe in stuff That is outside of that Sure

To the That whole notion of Like the divine Backing of the Constitution That kind of That area of I Hesitate to call it scholarship

But That area of people writing things That area of things that can be Read with eyes Yeah So Alex is fine with that His problem is like Dude, this doesn't work

Yeah, it does appear that That is the issue Not that it's wrong That it's impractical Not that it's made up fantasy land This stuff is real And you're totally right But the people in control

Have guns And they won't let you Be a free person on the land Right I mean, they do see the issue there Right Like the combination of those two things Means that it doesn't really matter

If they're right or not It does seem to indicate That there is not power in being right That's a good point Yeah, that was a little bit upsetting I mean, we know that Alex is basically Quite a sovereign citizen adjacent Or just in it

But It sucks to have this guy who's Somebody who You know, there's a decent chance You could push back on some points That he's making But instead you're like It just doesn't work

It doesn't work You're totally right But guess what? You're screwed You know what? That raises a question Is it possible To hold within your mind

The idea of truth being Everything that everyone does All day, every day Is 100% unconstitutional And at the same time Live within that society Without harm or trouble Or is it got to be one or the other?

I think it's one or the other And that's why Alex has lived so long Because his beliefs are nonsensical And he doesn't really believe them Right At least most of them Right

And that's why he can Not raise an army against the He's a daywalker He can have all this shit That he talks about And not raise an army Against the courts Right

Or whatever Or wind up Bill Coopering himself Yeah Yep And make a lot of money So anyway, speaking of money Bob Chapman shows up For sure

And he has some financial predictions It's gonna go great Bob What is the new world order? What are they doing financially? What do you see happening In the near term and the long term? Well, a dollar will continue down

Another 40% versus The dollar index As well as the euro Whether the Europeans like it or not What? And it's been overpriced For a long, long time The price of gold this year

Will easily go over to $5 $512 an ounce Could very well go to 680 Or 840 for that matter Depending upon what happens Bob is very wrong Gold peaked at about 456 an ounce

In early December 2004 Far short of his low end prediction It's been a fair amount of the year Under 400 even Bob's close to right about the dollar though But his numbers are a bit off In spirit he's correct though That the dollar did drop in 2004

But that was already part of a trend That had been going on for like the past year So it's hard to give him a lot of credit For that But he's not far off Except for the He's flagrantly wrong about gold Which makes sense

He's a gold salesman I mean I don't understand why Financial media of this type Even exists Because it can't It can't be anything other than Self-motivated or self-involved You know

Yeah, you'd have to Have people who How would you even do it? Yeah, you literally can't There's no possible way To altruistically predict That things will get better Well, you know

Or like, okay I'm predicting that the price Of the dollar will go up And I'm doing that Not because I have any involvement at all But because I want you To get more money out of it Here's what you need

That doesn't even make sense You'd need monks You'd need You would need monks Yeah, you would need people who Study the Financial stuff and all that And have sworn off

Any kind of material possessions Blinds Their tongues are cut out Food is paid for Or whatever They're taken care of But not by anything That could be affected

By the financial system Cannot be corrupted by Scandal Or anything along those lines Yes I think that that's impossible To attain Probably

But the next best thing I think would be Don't take financial advice From someone who sells gold Don't take Bitcoin Advice from someone Who sells Bitcoin Smart move

Just go ahead Don't get into the stock market Because people from the stock market Say it's a good idea Yeah Be wary of advice from people Who are suspiciously biased If someone tells you

What to do with your money Because it will make their lives better Just stop for a second and think Yeah, maybe they're lying about it Helping you a lot Yeah, maybe you should try And help somebody else's life Yeah, I don't know

So we got one last clip here And it's Bob Making more bad predictions The first thing I've got to tell people Is please get out of debt I know you have to have a house Get the tax right off But everything else, clear it out

And then you move into gold coins And once you've done that You move into gold shares And at the end of the road here Wherever gold and silver are going to You may not want to sell what you have In exchange for fiat currency Well, I've been buying gold for three years

And it's all increasing value Whether I bought it at 250 or 350 And people are calling me saying You want to sell that gold And no, I don't We've got a long way to go I mean, we haven't even finished Phase one of three phases

Gold is going over $3,000 an ounce Where silver is hard to say But it could easily go back to its high In the $40, $50 area And perhaps even to $100 Because it's just in the out there Now, you're saying $500 by the end of the year Easily

And then where is this $3,000 mark? That's probably an 05, 06 Bold So, okay, so in the next 12 months It will increase by about 10 to 25% And then in the next 12 months It will increase by 8,000% It's ambitious

So gold did continue to go up a bit But these numbers are insane Gold peaked at about 720 in 2006 Before dropping back to $550 And then bouncing back at the end of the year Ending up around $635 These numbers that Bob is saying Are outrageous

And it's hard to imagine them being predicted By someone who wasn't a gold salesman Pretending to be a forecaster Yeah This is... I don't know how you could look at this And think this is responsible I mean, the only thing that you could even try

And say is like, oh, you get it They're joking It's an entertainment show That's as good as it gets Because beyond that, if you take him seriously He's stealing from you He's a thief He's committing fraud

Well, here's the interesting wrinkle At this point So when we've heard Bob in 2008, 2009 It's very regularly He sets it up And then they knock it down The sales pitch for Midas Resources Or he's like, you can get my newsletter

My forecaster newsletter And call Midas Resources They'll give you a free piece of silver Along with your first issue Right That isn't the case in 2003 I don't know if he's intimately related With Midas Resources and Ted Anderson

At this point But he is not throwing it to a Midas plug Or linking his newsletter with Midas Okay So there is still like very aligned interests Of Alex being syndicated by a gold salesman And Bob making comical predictions about gold There's still that

But it's not as overt Maybe this is still in the period Where they're feeling it out The partnership Yeah, I mean it could be like a wire thing You don't want the kids who get the drugs They're not the kids who give the drugs They're not the kids who take the money

Everybody's got a separate job Right You have the drugs under a rock Right The runners But it all gets sort of blown up that game By 2008-2009 Because it is the same kid delivering the drugs

They were like, nobody's coming Nobody cares I don't know I think that there is a decent chance That they're not as intimately involved As like clear partnership at this point Oh no, maybe in the next year it's like Ted is like, oh hell yeah, get in here

You're on our team Yeah, this guy makes Totally One fucking hundred percent We could use this guy Yeah, 100% I would see him as like a business opportunity If I were Ted

Yeah, that makes sense Yeah, and so I'm interested in these things That are happening in 2003-2004 now I'm interested in this as another thread to watch Because a number of the people that we know from our time At Infor's are absent You know, like Bob hadn't been around in 2003 So now we can see how he grows as a figure

Getting to the point where he's a weekly guest Right See where that happens along the line There's still other figures who are like major characters Who are like, where are they? Like Steve Puchenek hasn't shown up I want to find out where he shows up at this period I know

What kind of swings has he given That have been lost to time What if he starts out Because here's what you would expect Right, if this were a normal thing He starts out with some light cuts No You know, he starts out and then works his way up

No If it's Steve, I have to hope that he starts out Higher up than anything we've even thought of before He's gonna come in, he's like 16 years from now There's gonna be a counter-coup against Hillary Clinton And we're gonna put a trump into office It's got to be something that fucking incredible What if he does?

It'd be amazing It'd be amazing Of all the things that would prove the simulation Is real Whatever it is, I want to find that I want to find his episodes And it's really hard There's no listing anywhere of guests

And when they were on and stuff So it's really just turn it on See if he's there And I guarantee you When he finally shows up When I turn on an episode and it's like Steve Pachanic on today I'm going to run through a wall with excitement

It's going to be real built up Anyway, we come to the end of this We're closer to where we need to be for the live show Ever so close to it I'm very excited We do have some mentions of Howard Dean Which is, you know, the ball is rolling That's called foreshadowing

He's a snake Hate him So we will make our progress through there And we will discuss the Iowa primary The caucus So funny It's so funny to go back to this time period What a bunch of idiots

Everybody in 2003 should shut up and stop If they only knew There's going to be a podcast 20 years from now About how everyone in 2023 should shut up I know and I agree with that show So let's shut up Until next time Ooh, nicely done

Until that time, we have a website Indeed we do, it's KnowledgeFight.com We'll also put up a link to the fundraiser In the description of this episode So if you'd like to chip in That would be wonderful But we're also on Twitter We are on Twitter, it's at knowledge underscore fight

Yeah, I'll be back But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark I look, I know it's getting annoying But this is the best drop in the world Oh, you know what? And now here comes the sex robots Andy and Kansas, you're on the air Thanks for holding

Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan, I love your work I love you