Knowledge Fight - #789: January 26, 2004

Episode Date: March 27, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan reunite to break down a little day in Alex's past.  In this installment, weird complaints about Bush's 2004 State of the Union address fly freely, and Alex interviews a guy with a hard-to-spell last name and a dicey track record.

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Knowledgefight.com. I love you. I love you everybody welcome back to Knowledge Red I'm Dan I'm Jordan we're couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Celine never forget to turn on the headphone amp yes indeed we are Dan you may have heard laughing over the theme song and that was because I had forgotten to turn on the headphone amp and so Jordan was I was shocked I didn't realize what was going on and then all of a sudden it was boom and I was like ah yeah I was a little shocked

myself shocked at my rustiness shocked shocked Dan Jordan Jordan what's your right spot buddy my bright spot today is actually the cause of that rustiness I'd like to thank you for filling in doing a fun interview with Mike Rothschild delight I mentioned I think on Monday's episode that I had a speaking engagement which led to a little bit of you know tension a little bit of push and pull with the schedule yeah talking to my dad about this yeah and I'm overwhelmed kind of yeah but it's not for any good reason it's just because I have two things that I needed to do you know basically three live shows at the beginning of the

month and obviously that was a lot of like prep and right you know all that stuff and then my bright spot for today was I was invited to go to Florida Southern College in Lakeland in lovely lovely Lakeland and give a little talk there for the students so cool and it was just a blast so I'd like to thank all of the the folks who are instrumental in bringing me down there I guess it was just one guy who's cool as hell he was great the class was great the talk was a lot of fun took me back in many ways to my college experience yeah you know being there because look the number of the students were engaged and they were

had questions and it was great but some of them were looking at me with dead eyes yeah and I remember that I was like you guys are my people I remember that when it was someone was given a talking maybe you get extra credit to go and do you just go yep here's waiting to maybe go get high later you are really high now could be could be but yeah it was it was a delight I am not super well versed in these things there's only been a few instances of me giving these talks can't be great instantly with everything you're not Ken Griffey junior there's an adjustment yeah and we talked about it a little bit I think

even on the show that when you come from stand-up there's a muscle memory and like an expectation that your body has that people will laugh at the things you say when you're in front of a crowd yep and you don't get that from a college class often it's a class yeah and so you automatically have to like reteach your body to not think you're failing and like you're drowning up there yeah yeah this time was not such a big issue with that because I I opened by making fun of my own speech sure and saying that I didn't want to give it so you opened with the joke but it was there was a little bit of sincerity sure sure I was

basically told folks you know you can interrupt me at any time if you have any questions immediately a hand went up of course like can I actually interrupt you at any time yes and so most of the talk actually ended up just being a question and answer yeah thing back and forth with the students which I think is probably a lot more useful well any kind of interactivity is more like a comedy show than than otherwise you know like I understand that the idea of course is I talk and you guys don't talk you know that's that's the way it works but at the same time there is an interplay that is required for the performance to work

you know there has to be a receptive party right as it were and that that's a huge problem that I have with the idea of even giving these speeches is like I don't know what is going to be useful to these people sure I know a ton about Alex Jones and I could tell them all kinds of things about Alex Jones but to what level is that useful to a freshman or a sophomore in college sure I'm not sure but if they have questions around various topics sure maybe there's something that I can draw from my experience that would be helpful to them and so I found that to be a lot more fulfilling and I think useful for them

yeah I know I when I was in when I was in college I took a class about Emily Dickinson taught by one of the pre-eminent scholars of Emily Dickinson was it Emily Dickinson well they didn't leave the house much but but it was like there was two you you can't express to a group of people of students who are halfway apathetic at best you know like the vast breadth of knowledge you have about a single subject yeah what are you supposed to do yeah there were two big moments that really stuck out like that and one was like we're a ways into the talk somebody had just asked a question and I I brought I explained Alex's

changing story about the his view of the Ukraine invasion sure and then the next question somebody raised their hand and they're like I don't really know who Alex told us all right start from one that was fun the second moment that stuck out was there was a guy who I couldn't tell if he was he wanted to fight or not sure there's a little bit of like maybe I'm gonna fight conflict is there it was but it was just in the eyes sure sure there's nothing else threatening about okay and so he asked two questions and the second one was about Bohemian Grove and as soon as he said that I was like I gotta tell

everybody all right let's start with Mo Lock I guess that's where we're gonna begin yeah yeah so but that was fun that was fun it gave me a chance to like really distill down like what is the story right I don't know if I can old powerful people do weird stuff yeah but as I'm telling this story I I'm like ah Nixon said something about don't don't don't do that no no no cut it off cut it off cut it off right there it's a Nixon quote then don't do it was it Reagan I can't remember I think it was Nixon but it was Nixon yeah yeah so good times I wanted to also say I don't

really necessarily want to go through like formal channels for anything but if anybody out there is listening who you know has a class or something they want me to speak at yeah I'm more than willing to do it you know yeah I don't think that people are afraid to approach me or anything like that but if anybody has any reluctance about like Dan probably wouldn't do this yeah I I think highly of the academic setting and it's something valuable and so I'm always thrilled and honored to know I did to take part in that stuff I think I think it was a I don't know when it happened but there was a sweet spot and

here's what happened to us right there was a point nobody wanted us yeah nobody wanted us right and then maybe rightfully so agreed yeah and then there is a point where people sometimes wanted us and then we skipped over the part where people want us and went straight to the people being like oh well we can't get them like I don't know what happened I I don't think we have given off the idea of you can't get us ever no we don't have an agent we don't have a man we barely have a website yeah that's the problem it's definitely the problem I think it's because we ended up being on like CNN and stuff sure and we were

like I'm involved with the lawsuits and so maybe maybe people think like oh it's rare I'm sure you got stelter canceled I mean yeah I don't know I don't know how to tell you it started out as a joke you know 2017 Dan eventually you will be the world's foremost expert on Alex Jones as a joke and then here we are yeah you know like there's no there's no started from a joke and now here we are there's the song right something like that so anyway yeah I'll go do stuff I'll speak to digitally to classes if people want but you know other than that too just the bright spot of like it's nice Florida you know weather sure I mean the

70s real nice down there in Lakeland and then Lakeland was a lovely little town yeah not little little but you know compared to maybe a Miami in Veneto no what's it be in Veneto no they said be in Veneto but you know I got to see a little lizard scamper around I wanted to chase it but it didn't have time can't chase lizards there was a bunch of swans that apparently the Queen sent over and I couldn't get to the bottom of that relationship that's not okay yeah and she's dead so who send it I don't know what do you did she leave a in her will like send Lakeland swans in perpetuity I guess is that a thing you can do I

assume if you're the Queen you you can say perpetuity and what did Lakeland do to deserve these see they just had a spot that needed swans they do a solid for the crown it's very weird I'm not sure what's going on it must have been they were royalists during the American independence you know Florida didn't exist yeah see that's where they all went yeah I don't know maybe this will be the subject of our next mini-series bottom of these swans what's your right spot my bright spot Dan I'm gonna tell you this this is something I never thought ever in my life would happen not even compared to like becoming an

expert on Alex Jones's as you have done sure I'm talking about I made it to my first wedding anniversary Dan yes congratulations my first wedding anniversary just a few days ago it was incredible it's great it was a good anniversary we went out we went out to the girl in the goat which is one of the best restaurants sure yeah Chicago and Michelin level I mean beard award too much a whole thing now the goat oh the goat everyone listening Jordan's eyes just got real wide you don't even know I had something called goat belly and I was like I don't know if I what's fun about that there is a little like an

Amu's bush but it's a tin can it's it's kind of no it's like perfectly cooked pork belly right right but because it's it was because it says goat belly my wife wasn't like oh it's just like a perfectly cooked pork belly she was like did they cut off the whole belly and grill it what are we going to be eating you know the sack full exactly like I said tin can yeah classic joke of goats eating nope incredibly delicious it was fantastic and then we both went to bed at like nine because it was on a weeknight love it and that's that's an anniversary to me that's perfect I loved it this is one

of the advantages of not getting married at like 22 23 or something you have a real low like chill expectations not low expectation but chill expectations well here's the cool thing right since we got married in a courthouse you know I never I'm never gonna be like oh this was a great day but the my best day was my wedding day no absolutely not every day is better than my wedding day with my wife because you're not because we're not at a fucking courthouse yeah until you spend your anniversary facing charges well I should that'll be yeah we'll be that'll be our 10th wedding anniversary doing 10 years in prison did

you have a slice of wedding cake in the freezer to do that thing oh we didn't even have a wedding cake hmm should I wedding goat oh when we when we got out of the courthouse and we went to dinner or we went to lunch with my wife's moms and we were not dressed particularly well you know I was wearing my quote nice jeans that's what we got married in that kind of stuff and it was the four of us eating together and all the sudden from across the room some group of women were all hanging out talking and one of them just stood up and was like did you all get married today I noticed your jeans are nice I

know it was like if somebody could set their expectations low enough that they look at me wearing that and they're like well obviously that's the wedding day yeah I think we all know what's going on no cake no cake so Jordan today also no cake don't know but I decided here's the deal yeah I you know I had this this whirlwind Florida and back trip sure and then I got back I felt a little bit under the weather weather thought it was COVID it's not news yeah I could see the proof on our on your desk yeah one of the tests yeah um so I I was kind of a little bit out of it for a bit and I decided alright here's what I'm gonna

do sure we're gonna cover Alex going back on Stephen Crowder show sure cuz they talked a lot of nonsense there's a video of him with a bloody nose there we go hey what fun what fun it's not fun a shock a shock hate that show is it because there is no talent involved and it's not funny but they're trying to be funny which is the worst it's it's really frustrating because you have to try and parse out like what are they saying for comedic effect what are they saying as if they actually mean it mm-hmm who cares also is another thing you got to parse out sure and then there's another thing that just bothered me to no end

and that was like Stephen Crowder kept saying they're like we have our sources up so you know that all the information that we've got is fully correct that's like well you have some you have some sources here but you're not sourcing Alex's claims that's for sure no so that that really infuriated me and so I went through preparing an episode about it and then I threw my hands up and said fuck this I don't even want to talk about yeah yeah no point so we're back in 2004 good yeah good so we're talking about January 26th 2004 okay which is the Monday so you have a little bit of jump in days yeah still no conversation about

the scream I here's something that I want to talk about he does call Howard Dean a socialist though oh well that's fair so we've then we've begun right and he hates him yeah well of course but no conversation about the screen a question I have right and here's something that may also be a theory that I'm working on right I think Alex will be disappointed that we are not falling for his I have a bloody nose bait yeah I think so he might not ever know but in spirit I think he would be bummed out I think so I think this is a classic move for us as people are being like oh he's doing something huge and we're being like

should we cover it I don't know and then we just go back into 2004 it's not we live it's not interesting enough but then also a lot of the stuff that I was watching on that crowd or interview before I decided I'd had enough was they're talking about Lindsey Graham a lot because Lindsey Graham had said some things about Ukraine sure and apparently Stephen Crowder has a segment called insane in the Ukraine and that's fun that's good work no it's not and Alex wouldn't stop talking about how he's dating Lindsey Graham oh my god like I just I have no patience I don't do it I don't understand I don't understand I

can't do people trying to be funny who are absolutely not funny who are confident that they are funny mm-hmm it's infuriating also a lot of talk about how big it is that he's on rumble how he's taken over rumble I can how he's number one in the world oh my god I mean like I don't know what rumble is playing I'm so grateful you are not covering that I want to know if the bath party is back in power I think they are it doesn't come up but okay they are this couple minutes talking about it is even too much so let's let's get to this but first Jordan let's say hello to some new wonks that's a great idea so

first Grandmaster Squatch and the sneaky ham-thieving snakes thank you so much you're now policy won't I'm a policy won't thank you very much thank you next my dad is freakishly large thank you so much you are now policy mile I'm a policy walk thank you very much thank you next steels at juice from Brett who always needs money thank you so much you're now policy won't I'm a policy walk thank you very much go next hand of the Trans dragon moth thank you so much you are now policy won't I'm a policy walk thank you very much Ann rattling and Dave sold his chopper

for this thank you so much you are now policy won't I'm a policy and we had a techno credit the mix Jordan so thank you so much to the globalists honeycomb height out thank you so much you're now a technocrat I'm a policy wonk someone someone son of mine sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark jar jar binks has a Caribbean black accent he's a loser little little titty baby I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ so to give some context of where we are in January the Democratic primaries are in full swing sure Saddam has been captured naturally and Alex is mad about abortion kind of yeah that

obsessed with building seven he's talking a lot about building seven okay because he has discovered a year-old clip of Larry Silverstein the guy who was leasing out the red the rights to lease the building for like he he ended up taking a quite a hit okay on 9-11 and then sued for insurance claims on it but anyway he was on a PBS documentary and Alex founded a year later and that's the biggest thing in the world gotcha so he's obsessed with building seven sure some of this will come into play but we start here with Alex finding a new weapons inspector who has some things to say okay and if you we know from going

back over this time Alex made a really big deal out of the death of David Kelly yes the weapons inspector who took his who died from suicide and Alex made a gigantic disgraceful conspiracy out of that he was killed to silence him but concerns about weapons of mass destruction of course just a bunch of nonsense and that we went over but it turns out there's another weapons inspector also named David that Alex has his own concerned clone Saddam's weapons of mass destruction never existed says chief American arms inspector now folks this stinks to high heaven David K was all over television

before the war during the war after the war saying Saddam does have weapons of mass destruction we've got a tachyne he was the big hawk you know the chief American inspector and well then he's now saying that it that he was lied to and it wasn't true now dr. David Kelly who was also the former head of the bio weapons lab bioport he was also the chief British inspector he said he was lied to and that it was a fraud and then he was seen according to the Times of London other publications with five guys in black uniforms standing around him as the police arrived they disappeared and there was his body with the wrist

slit and the undigested pills in his belly and no blood at the scene so man I wonder if David K has taken out a large insurance policy a life insurance policy might be a good for his family if he does that so first important thing to point out here is that Alex has fabricated a completely new story about David Kelly's death which has no connection to reality and also seems fairly disconnected from his own past conspiracy narrative yeah just off the top of my mind he's added the detail about five men in black uniforms standing around Kelly who scattered when the police arrived who the fuck gave you

that that information that's I mean that's the most suspicious information that you could have yeah if it were true yeah yeah there's an investigation where there's like oh yeah five people dressed in what it was his night camouflage more or less literal ninjas appeared and then disappeared as soon as the police showed up yes yeah okay certainly certainly it would be worth noting did that did the teenage mutant ninja turtles fight them off it was absent in his earlier reports about fair enough Alex is adding stuff like this to the story to make the idea of doubting that it was a murder seems silly to the

audience because he'd rather mock the idea of believing something then have to argue against it and that's because if you had to operate just on the facts his case would fall apart almost immediately as for David K this is an interesting situation but Alex is also full of shit sure around this time in January 2004 David K a weapons inspector and member of the Iraq survey group was coming out publicly and saying he did not believe that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and that they did not believe they would be found correctly he would go on to testify before the Senate

Armed Services Committee on January 28th and say quote I believe that it is time to begin with the fundamental analysis of how we got here what led us here and what we need to do in order to ensure that we are equipped with the best possible intelligence as we face these issues in the future let me begin by saying we were almost all wrong and I certainly include myself here K believed there was a fundamental intelligence failure but not a direct effort to lie or exert specific political pressure sure you can disagree with that or not but what I'm talking about here is K's state of mind because that's what Alex is

making claims about right you know so whether or not you believe that there was a lie that's a different conversation and you may have a different point than what David K is coming at this from I what's fun is I don't need to talk in the lead up to the war everybody knows true and I think it would be difficult to blend like what conversation you or even I would want to bring into it with discussing where Alex is coming at it from because it's completely sort of separate no what I think is great is discussing the Iraq war in less than 20 minutes and trying to really explain all of it to people you know it wasn't that

complicated here's how you do it best bye now we're there yep exactly jump cut so in the lead up to the war K was a voice that said he didn't doubt Saddam would have aspirations for weapons of mass destruction and he thought he probably did but he was far from the biggest supporter in the media he did have like some of things that he had some assessments that he had made were used by people like Colin Powell and what have you so you can trace kind of a indirect direct line but in terms of being like the biggest cheerleader in the media I'm not sure if that's a fair assessment yeah one of the biggest

exposures he had was likely after another former weapons inspector Scott Ritter returned from a trip to Iraq and declared that their quote is no hard evidence whatsoever that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and they quote I'm not saying Iraq doesn't pose a threat I'm saying that it does it is not but demonstrated to pose a threat worthy of war so Scott Ritter came back from Iraq and he was roundly criticized for these comments that he made but war is good K was one of the experts that media outlets would get comments from about Ritter whenever they were doing these stories and generally they were mildly

critical expressing that he didn't know where Ritter was getting his information from yeah I don't know what this assessment is based on they can't share where they're getting the information from anyway so yeah anyway David K was not the person who is most instrumental in the weapons of mass destruction fraud and he wasn't accusing anyone of lying at this point 2004 Alex just needs those two perceptions to be accepted by his audience so he can paint a narrative out of them that's easier than just doing the work that he's supposed to be work is hard work is hard presenting himself as having done that though right which is

weird it is it is nice to go back in time and really hear him make up a bunch of bullshit you know and then have people be like ah hashtag Alex Jones was right yeah yeah there were five ninjas outside David Kelly yeah everyone knows there were four ninjas everyone knows the white paper the foot claim can't afford five right they they work on a buddy system you don't have odd numbers absolutely it's just it's in the it's in their guidebook yeah which sorrows fun which I found on 4chan like Alex does yeah and Tifa who anyway I told you Alex is obsessed with building seven stuff and so this rears its head

here okay this is admitted in plain public view that building seven wasn't hit by an aircraft that it caught fire later that afternoon and collapsed at 435 eastern time and the owner of its Silver Stingets on PBS and says we made the decision to blow it up well I would I agree the mass media that's put out the propaganda has been swallowed by the American people since most of the American people who don't want to investigate at all who don't want to be disturbed out of their comfort zone don't want to do the investigative work or or learn about the facts because it disturbs their comfort level if they

have to think put a thought process behind it and understand what's going on and then they don't know how to hand they wouldn't know how to handle it to begin any ending so they want to know this any news reporter out there can go to prison planet dot com or info wars dot com look at all the evidence there's no debating it they blew up building seven how they get the explosives in if they made the decision while it was on fire why why hasn't it been a bigger news item that they did demolish it this is hidden in plain view I don't think any reporter researcher has any business going to prison planet unless they're

researching prison planet itself yeah the only reason to go there for information yeah even then you're taking anything you read with I mean why would you almost the least reliable source about prison planet is prison planet yeah you take everything with a goat belly size grain of salt so like I said I mentioned on that on a previous episode that Alex is getting deep into the building seven stuff in 2004 here and this is really the only thing that's behind it it's all just about this yeah Larry Silverstein was interviewed in a PBS documentary called America rebuilds a year at ground zero unsurprisingly

given the name it came out in September 2002 but the clip of Silverstein was making the rounds at this point in January 2004 Alex is acting like he's breaking a story here it's like I've uncovered this clip it's been I was a PBS a year and a half ago you dick in conservative terms though it should take around a year and a half to get to a PBS document it's like they're not watching PBS true you know nobody's telling them about right thinking people aren't going to prison planet exactly Alex isn't watching prison planet isn't going to PBS no also Silverstein didn't say that he decided to blow up the building

he said quote I remember getting a call from the fire department commander telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire and I said you know we've had such a terrible loss of life maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it and they made the decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse his spokesperson has been very clear in statements that when Silverstein said pull he was talking about pulling the firefighters out of the building and leaving it to burn he was deeply concerned for the safety of the firefighters in there and given that two other skyscrapers had collapsed that

day and there was a whole lot of related chaos going on his concerns were very understandable yeah it makes total sense so Alex has taken this quote from PBS which he didn't know about for like a year then misrepresented it into being Silverstein saying that they decided to take the building down now that this framework is established Alex is further embellishing this to claim that Silverstein said that they were gonna blow the building up once that idea is firmly established in the audience's mind Alex poses the question when did they have time to plant the explosives after the attack this line of questioning is

entirely built on eliciting an answer in the listener's mind that it would be impossible to plant the explosives after the attack so they must have planted them previously if they planted them previously then they must have had for knowledge if they had for knowledge then the whole attack was probably an inside job you can see how this path is built by Alex for his audience to go down where he lays out a bullshit narrative based on lies and misrepresentations of primary sources he's not capable of it at this point in the present day but in 2004 it seems like he has the finesse to lay some of this stuff out

suggestively yeah anyone can tell you that a conclusion that you reach on your own is more meaningful to you than one that someone just gives you which is the foundation of a lot of teaching sure so I really think that Alex is trying to get the listeners to reach the conclusion he's decided for them but they want them to get there on their own release make it feel like they've worked it out for themselves and be like haha this is my conclusion not Alex's right I don't see this kind of thing from him at all in the present day episodes and I think it's because he's lazy and he's spoiled by having a completely captured audience

but it's interesting to see here yeah that's that that is almost I don't know almost socratic yeah in a certain sense I mean it is a large number of questions to avoid the one question that the answer we do know to which is that there weren't any explosives you know when they put them in see that's what I'm saying if there weren't any when did they take them out right all right it's like when did you stop beating your wife it's that question of like but no there was no there was none of that I don't understand yeah that that's sort of trap-ish question is all a ton of conspiracy stuff is built on and when

you take the time to recognize some of that it kind of makes a lot of it seem pretty silly yeah I mean it is it is a game of putting a bunch of questions like a like a moat around the one question you know the answer to and and just pretending that like as long as you can't cross the moat whatever yeah good luck everything I say is true so you might have noticed the smug other voice talking about how all these people who don't believe they don't need there to they won't even want to do any analysis or research sure they don't want to go to prison planet and see these out of context videos and whatever I got a

job true this guy might too maybe his job is calling into Alex a show because this is the caller oh but there's another point here about Silverstein that a caller makes I think it's the same caller and this is wild okay let's go ahead and talk to Michael in Washington I apologize it's a different color Michael you're on the air go ahead hello Alex how you doing fine sir hey I checked out some more of Silverstein stuff do you know about his lawsuits yes do you why don't you go over for folks no you don't I sent him to you but Harry P Miller was a Vietnam vet I don't know if he's still alive but he's about he's 70 years old

now he's a Vietnam vet and Harry Miller in 1989 sued Larry Silverstein because he owns a strip club in New York called Runaway 69 in his suit what Harry Miller runway 69 okay he's $49 million in damages against Larry Silverstein the alleged owner of Runaway 69 a Queens Dance Club WNBC TV channel for television station the city of New York residents Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon Ross Perot John Vessie and General Colin Powell as a big loss a government of Miller's complaint is that the name defendants committed or aided others in committing illegal acts including assassinations over 25-year

period beginning amidst the Vietnam War in furtherance of a conspiracy to distribute Laotian heroin he also asserted that the defendants are still engaged in heroin trafficking today to they're still up to their eyeballs and loud should I mean I is that a thing dude does Laos have a large poppy see poppy seed thing like now I want to know if Laos is a huge heroin exporter I haven't heard of Laotian heroin but see that's how the conspiracy gets I mean yes it's like what there's Laotian heroin so specific the presidents that are named are not contiguous nope so that seems like a strange

choice some of them dip in and out you know Ross Perot Ross Perot was always there Colin Powell Colin Powell was always there the city of New York I mean all of these I'm not saying all of these people don't have something coming to him I'm just saying that this ain't the way political assassinations over 25 years in furtherance of their Laotian heroin that's the thing yeah yeah wouldn't we okay wouldn't we have seen a large production of Laotian heroin a larger production of Laotian heroin in comparison to other heroin producers because they have the backing of this secret I would I would also think that

it would have seeped into pop culture a little bit more absolutely you know yeah the the idea of like Laos being associated right with with the good heroin how about how about we do this okay if Reagan invented crack and put it in the in the inner city then clearly we would know about Reagan and company creating Laotian heroin is Nixon Nixon company creating Laotian heroin the problem getting Nixon and Reagan monster's are tough so yeah this also got thrown out yeah I imagine so did we need to put that button dude tried to appeal that they said oh they almost died next time buddy next time that lawsuit

was cuckoo but your instincts are pretty sharp there with the guy saying Alex do you know about this yeah he says why don't you tell them about that means he doesn't know about it yep cuz he loves sounding smart oh yeah and he loves talking that's just two favorite things he passes up those opportunities then he did it he did it fairly smooth he didn't do it the way that I would you would obviously do it for a bit you know he didn't do the like yes but you go ahead and explain to everybody all about you know like that kind of thing well I think I think he got the sense that this guy also wanted to talk that's kind of

the thing he was like oh well I'll just let this guy do what he wanted to do in the first place this could be like a sandwich break kind of thing totally you know you could easily play it off as that but I think it's he had no idea what this guy because this shit is crazy yeah there's no way you could know what he was talking about no no way no way and less I mean you have to be deep in the way you have to be so deep in the weeds more than Alex's yeah and he's too busy for that because look at this shit look look listen to how much he's doing all right I've done over 1,300 radio interviews in the last I don't know

27 28 months since September 11 have you been kind of four interviews yesterday six hours of it I was on WLW you name it and I'm not bragging who I'm on radio stations I wish I could go on the air like Peter Jennings and reach 25 million people at a swing instead I go around beating my brains out station by station reaching folks I was also another big blowtorch covering the tri-state area based in Delaware WGMD 92.7 do love calling stations a blowtorch is that a thing Alex does it all the time I don't know if it is a thing what does it mean like a radio transmitter it's like a big blowtorch out of Delaware

okay oh so it's like a beacon I guess I don't know exactly how the like etymology of it works but I I do I do hear him call radio stations blowtorches all right okay and I think it's a fun vernacular I hope it doesn't have some kind of a horrible yeah you know you start there and you're like there's gonna be some anti-Semitism it's tough to like say boy I like that slang Alex yep yep yep yep because usually it's gonna be a problem I think we I think we should have stopped it fill your hand once we got there like that's what we got that's the one we get to stick with yeah so at this point like it like 2004

2003 I don't believe that there were 1,300 people on earth who wanted to talk to Alex Jones agreed so I don't believe this number of interviews is accurate I think it's much lower but yeah you do bring up an interesting point and this is something that I got a fascinated thinking about later because these numbers keep coming up yeah he's Alex keeping like meticulous detailed notes I mean he's not he's not keeping detailed notes but is he at all keeping some sort of count do you know what I mean like you don't have to keep detailed notes but it you would you would be like oh man that was like 20 interviews last

week you know like something along those lines where you would maybe you put it on a board on a whiteboard or something but that he's just pulling 1,300 out of his ass well it's the same with the the the efficacy rate of his documentaries yeah people up it's sort of a feeling it is it is a it is a how good is my day going kind of number it feels like I've done 1,300 interviews right and I don't know if it's been like what two years yeah ish two and a half years or something yeah yeah I don't know if he's doing an interview a day two interviews a day you know who's asking no one no especially not twice a day no he would

have to go on the same like a small he'd be a co-host of some radio show yeah yeah absolutely so I got excited because there's a dynamic in these 2004 episodes and in this time frame that like he'll sometimes say that he has a guest coming on but you he doesn't say who and you're like anybody yeah you don't know it literally could be anybody yeah because at this point in time Alex has a public branding that isn't so extreme right wing right that some people accidentally get booked on his right right right you know we've seen a Noam Chomsky show up sure we've seen Lair's Lynch David Lynch show right so

Alex I want to talk more about transcendental okay you don't know you don't chaos yeah but also could be somebody that we haven't seen like a Steve Pachanik maybe he's showing up in the mix some while or you know one of our other friends like a Joel Scousen who knows so it's a young Elizabeth Warren you don't know you don't you don't know could be Hillary Rotem okay the preamble is gone on long enough anyway Alex has a guest and it's just the guy who interviewed him the previous and almost all of them are tit for tat so yeah he has the guy who's on that blowtorch at a Delaware great great great

and his name is Davis Lerman I remembered it Davis Lerman I didn't write it down but I remember it now all right because it took forever to try and figure out who this guy was because Lerman is there's a lot of ways that could be spelled yeah I mean the first one I think of his boss Lerman you bet yeah that's one way yeah what's the way he spells it we don't learn until the end of the episode we'll get there when we get there excellent but anyway they spent so long I don't even know how to set this up because I didn't cut clips of the beginning of it when they're talking about it because I thought oh sure

they'll jump off this at some point it's very dumb essentially Davis Lerman has a big complaint that Fox News shows like Laura Ingram and Hannity they're playing clips of Bush's State of the Union address sure and they've cut out parts where they got applause and so it's selective okay presentation right right right so it's not showing the ecstasy with which his applause with his with which his stuff was was met with or maybe the reverse or yes yes and so another person who they take target at for their coverage of it is Michael Savage uh-huh and so here this is this is this is a ways into them complaining about it goes

on so long folks that's a big deal to have multiple national shows editing out Congress having a big round of applause when Bush says that the Patriot Act is set to repeal in 05 by the way it's not that repeal in 05 there's a bunch of provisions about you know loving your neighbor and happiness and loving Arabs I mean it really they really have provisions like that but section 213 215 802 I think it's about what 16 different provisions all the key meat of Patriot Act 1 is not set to expire so I think Alex is getting some things mixed up with the Patriot Act sure because I think the love thy

neighbors that's 10 commandments right I remember that don't worry be happy as Bobby McFerrin there was that song I don't know if there's a don't hate Mosul obscenity I mean don't hate Arabs in the in the Patriot I mean the irony of his description seems like those are all of the things that the Patriot Act was trying to destroy at us I don't know if there were protections for happiness yeah so Alex is interviewing this radio host who had him on the show previously and he's having him on to craft this conspiracy that a bunch of hosts on Fox News edited out applause during a Bush speech when he said the

key provisions of the Patriot Act were set to expire at the next year this was from a clip of Bush during the 2004 State of the Union so he was addressing Congress so the idea is that the government is even against the Patriot Act but the folks at Fox are trying to cover that up okay because they're towing the line for Bush that's what I was trying to figure out if that was the angle it's really hard to decipher a tough angle yeah that is oblique yes yeah it's a little silly it's also I mean I went and I watched the State of the Union and it's I don't know if it's fair hmm so in reality what happened is

that Bush said the line quote key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year then there was an awkward pause and a few Democrats gave a little bit of applause right so there's a little bit of a clapping right Bush then says quote the threat of terrorism will not expire on that schedule at which point the entire GOP erupted in applause and a standing ovation here this is the dynamic that they're talking about alright key provisions of the Patriot Act are set to expire next year the terrorist threat idiots the terrorist threat will not expire on that schedule are you applauding

for terrorism here is that grammatically what I'm hearing I think anybody who approaches this with a fair reading of context will accept that that was a much larger applause and yeah I don't know yeah it did feel like blood thirst was more the prevailing applause there as opposed to I think yeah yeah a bit of that and then there's also just a bit of fuck you for applauding there is definitely a little bit of that you didn't let him finish the sentence right yeah right you applauded at the part that is not supposed to be an applause right as evidenced by the awkward pause before they clap it's it was it's the energy is

very strange yeah yeah look I don't know I didn't watch the Hannity or Laura Ingram episodes from that day but I wouldn't be too surprised if they edited out that little bit of applause that the Dems had yeah there are propaganda news network so that shouldn't be a shock to anybody the point more broadly is that the picture Alex's painting is just as misleading as the ones that they're accusing Fox of painting and Alex himself is guilty of way more agrees the egregious levels of editing clips and presenting things devoid of context look what he's doing with Larry Silverstein it's really nuts that he

spends like half an hour on this considering how mild his criticism is and how much he does this himself it's infuriating listening to this episode yeah I'm I'm struggling to keep that thought in my mind of the actual thing that where we have a problem with yeah the thing we have a problem with is that Fox News shows edited out a small accidental bit of applause that wasn't even really supposed to be there and wouldn't have been there if Bush weren't such a terrible orator perhaps yeah I mean look I agree it all things being equal yeah it's dishonest to edit out that applause because it did happen true

it's just as dishonest to pretend that that was the like the large part of the government being opposed to the Patriot Act right and that the Fox is trying to cover that up right I could easily see it being more for the sake of cohesion yeah of a clip because what I played for you is a little disjointed and a little strange and if you are a right-wing propaganda network I could see how that clip would be preferable without the stutter step of applause in the middle I mean and and honestly you know I I stop and I think about it and I say does an ineffectual Congress persons applause matter if nobody hears

it and the answer is no it really doesn't so who cares so here we have Lerman Davis Lerman Davis Lerman couldn't come up with your your your struggling should have wrote it down yeah so we have him and he is the second example in recent times of a guest who has come on with their own sound clips oh no seems like this might have been a thing that people were more apt to do in 2004 I mean if you're a radio host in 2004 you carry your own soundboard with you gotta impress the big guy yeah yeah Alex is the he's a big fish in this pond so you are basically nothing yeah so yeah it's it's interesting to see

that there's a bit of this happening mm-hmm and so he has like a clip of Michael Savage sure and now they're gonna play a clip of Laura Ingram and make fun okay so it's a clip of other people talking not fart sounds no it's it's a clip of them editing out gotcha okay okay okay yeah wow it's it's we're sticking on this yeah oh boy do you want to air the clips Davis where we hear Ingram you know babbling so we know this is on her show on the record or well yeah in fact yeah in fact we can tell it's on her show because not only does she babble immediately following the president's statements but I got her in

the middle of the statements she has a sound effect what she calls a dramatic stinger I guess you all call it that mock what it is people would find shocking about the president's statement so let's hear that now manufacturing and one of those essential tools is the Patriot Act which allows federal law enforcement to better share information to track terrorists to disrupt their cells and to seize their assets for years we have used similar provisions to catch embezzlers and drug traffickers if these methods are good for hunting criminals they are even more important for hunting terrorists he's

100% right on that and a liberal enemy wants to undo the Patriot Act what track for yeah let's play track to the Patriot Act you guys have it that's the one oh boy okay so it started playing the Michael Savage one right they didn't realize because it was just bush talking right and then everything gets confused and then two clips of Bush's speech start playing simultaneously that's what I was concerned about oh man this is an issue yeah I am mad at the crew honestly yeah yeah so it's interesting there is not that they can't get very basic tech stuff figured out but it is kind of fun I enjoy that this

clip is remarkable because Alex's guest is complaining about Laura Ingram playing some kind of a sound effect meant to mock something about Bush's speech or your potential response to it Alex chimes in manufacturing consent but then what does Alex do as soon as that clip is playing he laughs boisterously and unconvincingly it's something bush says he's doing the exact same thing that he's calling Laura Ingram engaging in manufacturing consent yeah this isn't really what manufacturing consent entails it's a much bigger thing but either way it's important to understand that whatever it

is that Ingram may or may not be doing that isn't a problem for Alex his only real complaint is that he doesn't like her and he disagrees with her yeah that's fine but turning it into some sort of a meta complaint about her and Hannity it's really just a way of sidestepping having to deal with anything of substance and whatever they're saying yeah so there's a way of turning this into a thing as opposed to the point it would be nice if we never had to argue about shit like that you know where it'd be like all you would do is just be like I hate her and I'd be like why and he'd be like I just a vibe and I'd be like well

there's really nothing to argue with you about I got it yeah yeah you hate her yeah cool okay wait wait she likes Trump now I don't know you just hate her you just hate her I don't care that you did hate her and now you love it again don't care it's it's interesting to me that like you have this all these figures Hannity Savage Laura Ingram they're all commies they're all terrible they work for the globalist she sold their souls and all this and then all of them start loving Trump and Alex is he's into him right right right well he wouldn't want to be part of a club that wouldn't have him and he would love to be part of a

club that would hmm yeah he's like a reverse wild I guess so yeah so um Alex has a thing I should point this is gonna take a tiny bit of a clarification in an episode that we didn't listen to sure um Alex gets a call from a guy and he says that he has a 1915 Italian silent film right he has he just owns one he made one he knows of one let me let me correct this okay he saw one okay okay all right and okay there's a part of this film a silent film from 1915 sure that includes the worship of Malik and this is exciting to Alex he wants to get his hands on this film when did on she on Dandelion come out I don't know is

this is this really Marcel Duchamp's film I don't know anything about film yeah that's fair enough so maybe yeah anyway on this episode Alex gets a call from a guy who's like I got that film and I'm gonna send it to you okay and Alex gets really excited haha then they start talking about the film and it takes a full minute for them to realize that they are talking about completely different folks which is fun all right all right Alex yes one thing about this silent movie in 1915 it has a Tyrone power senior in it I don't know if you remember him or not he's a movie star he's a movie star for those that don't know what

you're talking about describe the night I saw the film where are my children back in those days abortion was wrong right and the penalty I think the doctor got 15 years for performing abortion I thought the listeners said the name of the film was Cambria or something this may be a different one but it's very very very good it's like a story about Tyrone power is a dad he's dead now but that's a different film that I was requesting I'm a but a very informative video well does it show the Molok worship I know it doesn't show that's a different thing to me thanks for the call Jesus Christ still still

said it oh boy oh boy okay poor guy is a movie star moves I appreciate that I just I really enjoy hit the way he said movie star that was great yeah kids go in place that's you stick with me kid I'll take you to the moon I I love moments like that yeah where they're trying to figure out like they're they're talking about different things but they both seem to think they're talking about the same thing yeah they have to feel their way through it like they're two people like in a pitch black totally there's no light no it's it's my parents watching a movie and beginning with oh do you remember where we saw

that guy and then it's the dance of like which movie do you think you're talking about and then the weather they agree on it the whole reason that this guy even brought up this movie that he was gonna send to Alex is because Alex had been talking about wanting this film that had the Molok worship in it right and this guy is like I found it right and then it turns out through the chain of questions it doesn't even have Molok worship in it nope has nothing to do with anything that they're talking about but it's a good picture it's just a really good movie yeah I just really want to tell you about this movie I feel

like that's really what he wanted it's got a good message somebody was talking about old films and he was like finally this is my time to shine Alex I celebrate the class that was Pachanik so Alex we get back to this idea of the how many shows he's been on he thinks that everyone's waking up because of course everybody loves him on these shows sure and then Davis accidentally reveals something are you seeing the awakening in your area that I'm saying here I've never seen people more primed to come out of ignorance well yeah I've got to say that there are more and more callers every week that seem to agree but

you know at the same time there are more and more callers that that are more full of venom and hatred when they do call to disagree so I would say it's a it's a it's quite diametric it's kind of tough to gauge if there's more of one than the other but I would say feelings are growing in strength on both sides really well see I've done I was on your show nobody called them to disagree and it just seems like they just can't do it to me oh no no no well there are there were some there were some calls at that night in fact that never got through and so they they were they were you know a cursing up and down at the okay yeah

we'll be right by Alex accidentally had it revealed on there that they screen calls on these shows this guy didn't have negative calls coming through I'm sure they weren't all swearing and what have you it's this is this is sad yeah Alex like I was on your show last night and nobody bad called no one who disagreed call Alex a bunch of people did call it we just didn't let him through that's a good baby maybe he accidentally made a very good point Davis which is I mean you know he didn't actually make it but he revealed maybe something that is important right when they say they're waking people up right they

believe they're only waking people up to what they believe mm-hmm but by virtue of their extreme response and their aggression into the real world they are also waking up people to the idea of these people that need to be fucking stopped right so there is an awakened a waking up being wow that was that's fun I'm gonna end the end I get what you're driving towards right and that is not at all what they mean no it is not no no no absolutely not but I am interested in that maybe the truth that they are ignoring I don't even I don't think it is because I think the people who are calling in antagonistic towards them are

not actually substance substantively criticizing what Alex is bringing to the table that's fair that's fair I don't think they're waking up to reality either they're just getting angry at it asshole that's fair well I mean nobody's really waking up to reality man why would you exactly hey hey come on that's why I'm in 2004 baby that's why I live in the matrix so Alex has to save a little face sure because this guy accidentally revealed they were like screening call right right and so here's what he decides to do I've conducted my own hold doing over 1,300 radio interviews the end approaching 1,400

I have to go back to my day timer and count up the last couple months I've been saying 1,300 since I reached that a couple months ago so I guess it's getting close to 1,400 but I gotta go count it up and I'll be on Pacifica liberal stuff I'll be on conservative shows and maybe one out of 20 30 callers depending on the program will call and disagree and I can see what Mr. Lerman was saying about he couldn't let some of the disagreed on his show because they were cussing so much that those that do disagree are universal they'll go boy we're gonna get your time I can't wait to put you at a camp is that what they

said I'd love to beat you up I'll stomp you into the ground you little communist don't you lie about George Bush he ain't for gun control and then you know that's in the south of the west if it's up north it's let me tell you something buddy I hope they put you in a camp I'd like to punch you in the nose you liar oh yeah so you know I mean it's incoherent it's well they're for open borders or for gun control we're not shut up liberal remember when Alex was saying that he had the most promising voiceover career yeah yeah did you walked away from cuz he criticized Obama yeah I guess I guess he was I

guess he was trying a little bit of honeymooners there but I don't know if that worked out whatever it was we'll call you yeah you know yeah that's not getting booked yeah so there's some problems with Alex's methodology with his poll here oh yeah the first most glaring problem is that he absolutely is not keeping any records of the exact number of calls he takes and how many or four or against him he doesn't even know that number for his own show let alone for these alleged 1400 interviews he's done the numbers he's coming up with aren't based on anything except his memory and his mood which makes them

meaningless the second problem is that Alex doesn't have access to the actual number of callers it seems pretty clear to me that this Davis guy wasn't just not letting people on who swore on the air on the to the screener ship that's pretty likely that he didn't want to have negative calls coming on when this relative celebrity was a guest on his show I would suspect that a fair amount of the people who want to have Alex on as a guest are to put it bluntly bottom feeders who probably want to impress the much larger star who has made time for them because maybe then he'll have them on his show oh wow yeah what a what

a back scratch in a fair hey listen I've been in the open mic scene in Chicago comedy for a long time I know how it works Alex assumes that the people who get on air are a representative sample of the total group of callers but that's not a safe assumption to make the decision of who gets on air is not a randomized process and there's a ton of variables at play there there's a side point to this problem which is that Alex's selection of shows he's going on are not representative of the wider population the only invitations that are coming in are from weirdo patriot leaning shows and that's gonna lean heavy

in the bias of where the calls are coming from usually he's not going on c-spans Washington Journal he's going on a show where the co-host may as well be a rifle in a wig the third problem is that it's impossible to definitively quantify what is a pro or anti-alex call this is a subjective notion so it's kind of meaningless yeah the fourth problem is that Alex is an asshole it very well me it may be that his personality elicits a negative response in a caller who may otherwise entirely agree with him Alex is a sanctimony is braggart and he's super judgmental so it's easy to imagine calls that he could

see as being negative actually just being someone not liking him and that leads us to our fifth problem which is that even if none of these problems existed and Alex was clearly tabulating all of his guest appearances and a blogging all the pro and anti-callers and to find those things and he was consulting with the board operators of these stations so he can get phone numbers to do follow-up calls with the people who didn't get through even if he did all of that all he could possibly get a sense of is how people feel about him I know that Alex thinks that he is synonymous with freedom but he's not

and the only real poll he's doing is whether or not it feels like the bulk of callers on shows who have loose enough booking standards to have him on like him yeah a worthless meaningless poll but I do enjoy I do enjoy the way he thinks there's something to it you know there's some substance there you know and it's entirely fictional and imaginary but if fictional substance is still technically substance I don't know if that's I don't know if I can argue with that what I can say is that I think we need to a show needs to exist that does have a randomized guest like everyone on the planet puts their name in

a hat mm-hmm it goes in the randomizer whoever's number comes up they gotta call in oh they gotta call in now you're on my show okay the random show generator man that'd be a bad show it'd be not a good show but sometimes it would be a great show yeah I think you're gonna get canceled before you have a good episode that's a good point the odds are not good that is a good point you're also gonna end up interviewing a lot of babies probably yeah okay we'll narrow down the names we'll narrow down the numbers okay it doesn't have to be all seven billion eventually you're gonna get to choosing guests once you go

down the path of restricting baby guests well then it's all over yep you've already made a step towards quality control and my friend that path keeps going you know what I guess we have to accept babies that well it's one of the other it's one of the other so we have a little bit more complaint here from a caller about the presentation of the the state of the union address and this is dumb I was talking to a lady the other day and older ladies he said Alex I know what you're saying is true but I'm older and I just don't I just don't want to worry about it I asked an older gentleman Sunday if he watched the

speech of mr. Bush the other day he said yes I said did you hear when he talked about the patriarch he said yes I asked the gentleman did you notice where the camera was panning when he said this he said no I I don't remember I explained to him that it went to the quarterback of the Patriots etc and that's a very subtle way of brainwashing and he interrupted me and the gentleman said well I'm not brainwashed well isn't that really not true because if we don't remember something and it really faked out our iron our brain what we brainwashed of course we were what see how it works no it does and that's how some I mean I

had marketing folks I just had one semester rather than they talked about subliminals maybe Alex should have taken a second semester and I cannot believe that we just got the I took one semester of marketing so yes I understand brainwashing yeah I'm surprised I'm surprised no one shit and it does seem like if I was teaching a marketing class I would wait yeah I mean I'm not saying it's Scientology but I would wait until like third fourth year before we're jumping into here's how you control human beings behavior so do you understand what the scholar is saying yeah if you don't remember something you were

brainwashed well not that part I mean the specific example of it do you I I'm already like I lost his specific example the moment he started making his argument when Bush mentioned the Patriot Act they showed an image of the Patriots quarterback who was there Tom to remember the Tom Brady was Laura Bush's guest at the 2004 yeah state of the Union strange oh man didn't they win the Super Bowl against the Raiders that year was that what it was had he had won one before this yeah yeah I know that I don't I only know that cuz I looked at up why the fuck was Tom Brady at the table for saving the Union yeah he looks quite

young I guess it was almost 20 years ago yeah yeah yeah that bums me out that bums me out there's a lot of stuff that bums me out and I don't know why specifically that bums me out cuz I don't particularly like Tom Brady and at all right and I think he's probably a complete asshole so Alex brought this up on his own earlier in the show and I did not even pay attention to it because I thought it was stupid right and this caller brings it back up and I'm like well apparently this means something ah so the theories that I have about their theory are well one thing is what Alex says at the beginning of this episode

sure he said that they did that to subliminally subliminally plant in your mind at the Patriot Act no oh no that's too smart because he plays for the Patriots right so the Patriot Act is about Patriots and then Alex he calls himself a Patriot haha no he said Alex said that it it's to associate the Patriot Act with football and I don't know what that I don't even know what that means what but that makes perfect sense as far as it as far as what that guy is talking about Patriots the Patriots the Patriot Act is against them visual metaphor works perfectly right yeah I mean I guess what it is is

like drawing tenuous meaningless connections yeah and then accusing everybody who doesn't agree with you of being brainwashed yes which is fun that is it's more fun than the than being on the other side us who are in fury yes also I found another conspiracy uh-huh when Bush was talking about making schools better the camera pan to a really bored looking kid in the audience they were secretly totally telling us that improving schools is boring and it's cool not to fund schools that's a good point also possibly larger conspiracy theory I notice this really weird sure every time they showed Bush

speaking there was a big old pedophile sitting behind him I'm not sure what the message they were trying to get across here but it was glaring so yeah I just I was while I was watching I was like oh fucking haster sitting up there he was he was the speaker for a long time yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep Alex and Davis have a really dumb conversation about some ideas they have all these different sides are controlled and no matter what color the controllers are and boy it's a diverse crowd we've got to fight evil and if we don't make it one group or another people will come together and we'll win

this if we don't though they're gonna keep playing this Balkanization game go ahead that's why you have to offer the the big 10 theory just everyone who loves freedom come on in put the other petty differences aside because if if everyone who loves freedom is in fact united what you have is a place that's free enough for people to express their religious differences without it coming to fist the cuffs wars manipulation control and the like it is cute and all but I don't think for a single second that these guys are serious about this suggestion the big tent of freedom just a crock of shit yeah the big tent I'm

all for abstract ideas about freedom and I think it's very clearly lucrative to y'all vague platitudes about it on a radio show but these guys and their conception of freedom is antithetical to a big tent they want the freedom to live in an area where they never see trans people they want the freedom to demand that movies not have gay characters in them not just I'm not gonna see that movie you can't have a gay character in them they want the freedom to force people to carry unwanted pregnancies to term because that's what their religious beliefs tell them it's right so it has to be

imposed on everybody else right for people like Alex freedom means his freedom and it comes at your expense for fuck's sake Alex doesn't want to live in a world where Muslim women have the freedom to go to a pool supply shop no can go fuck off with his big 10 nonsense when your ideology is based on restriction and exclusion you cannot have a big time the best you can do is have an incredibly small tent and yell outside of it how big it is which is basically what Alex does with his above the left right paradigm nonsense yeah it worked for a bit but it was all for a lot longer than it should but it was all

a charade yeah also a small point this conversation is happening because a caller was asking Alex a meandering question about how someone who works at the American Free Press was saying that the Jews did 9-11 so Alex has to dance around not supporting that because it's anti-Semitic trash right also not flat like fully reject it because the people who sell that anti-Semitic trash at the American Free Press are some of his best friends yeah and long time sources like big Jim Tucker right so he kind of has to walk a weird line okay so my conspiracy theory is this all right yeah I think Tom Brady was

about to marry Giselle at this time hmm and Laura Bush was executing it was exercising the royalties right of first night or whatever it is that's what I think yeah prima nocta I think that's what was going on there I think Laura Bush I used that power and I think that everybody needs to know the president and first lady can I'm trying to think what they would have needed to cut away in the state of the Union in order to because you must have been brainwashed my I could be wrong so I think this guy's stupid yeah I agree Davis character but I thought he was just kind of like a boring sort of right-wing talk show

host kind of guy would have Alex on have some stupid ideas about big tent freedom shit yeah yeah whatever kind of bland yeah and then this happened and I decided I think this guy's crazy allow me to to show here how I handle certain callers after being inspired by your waffin SS comment in your police state video okay clip for work the very thought and they want to control our thoughts this is the way the guy did with me too he's like I'm calling to respond because I'm concerned we have a concern about your dangerous thoughts Lerman you see they begin like that and they say first we will label you hate

radio then we will label the radio stations that carry your hate radio and we will begin labeling the people who listen to this radio station and those people who are caught desecrating the purity of the rite and there you go you know cuz I there is caller after caller defining you that they define certain folks with certain opinions I think this guy might be nuts I think he might have just tried to play his demo tape on air Alex to get a fucking job well I mean I think he's brilliant because quite frankly if you take one thing away from this episode it's Alex loves doing characters he's doing a lot

of voice work sure and so this guy comes in with his German character yeah not the character yeah he's like I'm on show you my range Alex ah what is he doing but he doesn't have a little tape player yeah that is that he has that at the ready he has a clip of himself yelling something a complaint I guess on his radio show yeah just ready to go yeah you go Alex here's me yeah yeah I mean I mean if I was giving out a demo tape I would say that Alex is probably worse than Barry Gordy and that's saying a lot this so don't work for him but this was where I was like I should have written this guy's name down yeah he

might be wow he might be a mess yeah that's nuts I mean you realize he doesn't even realize what it was he was saying I'm not sure exactly what he was saying yeah no but he was playing his clip just like beaming just like look at how great I am mm-hmm like that's nuts it is yeah but even beyond that the instinct to have that ready to play it I mean look I understand the playing a clip from Savage Laura Ingram because you're demonstrating a point right this seems like something you could just say yep you're playing a clip of yourself uh-huh that is weird it's I mean it's messed up it is messed up you're I mean

it's messed up yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't do that no so there's two main stories that are being juggled by Alex when I say stories I mean just sort of saying the headlines and then moving along sure one is the David Key weapons inspector thing and then the other one is about someone in the UK saying we should kill children after they're born sure I was waiting for Alex to actually get into this story because he brought up the headline and like we're gonna get into it right for the entire episode and he doesn't really so this is about the best we got let's go to the calls and I'll get back into some other news here

but I don't want to get your comment on this this is out of the Scotsman today on info wars.com and prisonplanet.com government advisor killing children with defects acceptable a government advisor on genetics and spark fury over suggesting it might be acceptable to destroy children with the effects soon after they're born well this is the public plan John Harris a member of the Human Genetics Commission told a meeting at Westminster he did not see any distinction between aborting a fully grown unborn baby at 40 weeks and killing a child after it has been born and the government is pushing for this policy so

is our government no not but John Harris is the guy here in question he's an ethicist one of the problems with complaining about academic ethics is that you really have to parse out what the writer is saying which the media often isn't up to that task it's really hard and Alex can't handle it their sentences are so long I don't think the media can handle that it's just too long practically speaking Harris wasn't arguing for killing children after they're born what he was doing was conducting an ethical exploration of what differences would be what there would be between a late-term abortion

and killing a child after it's born to illuminate the implications that are buried in that distinction I like that if people like the moment you started describing that people went for instance if your support of an abortion is based solely on whether or not the potential child would be a burden on the parent then could that argument not be made about a child that was just born surely you could say that that child could be a burden on some level and therefore you have to explore the ethical reasons beyond behind what makes them different sure this is nonsense but it's what ethicists do yeah it's

geometry it's geometrical proofs applied to ethics and it's very boring in the real world this is a line of argumentation that tends towards challenging the pro-choice position more than the anti-abortion one by comparing an abortion with something that is pretty much is only pretty much everyone would call a murder you're putting the burden on the abortion supporter to delineate what the ethical difference is between the two right that's the nature of the exploration right and so it's very strange that someone who's so staunchly anti-abortion like Alex right would be the person who's

so up in arms about this mm-hmm but he's dumb there's a lot of other elements to this conversation like how it centers around some fairly eugenicsy ideas about disabilities but this also wasn't a proposal there was an exercise in mental masturbation which ultimately is what a lot of ethics writing and speaking ends up being yeah it's the kind of stuff that's super easy to miss miss represents those I can understand why Alex would choose it it's yeah so easy to like run with oh this is what you're saying yeah Alex is saying that he's arguing for or saying that it is ethically or morally justified to kill children after they're

born and that is not what he's saying at all right no there is no point in engaging with what this dude is saying unless you are also an ethicist having a conversation about abstract ethics to apply it to real life in any ways stupid you shouldn't keep there you don't have to be an ethicist yourself but you have to be engaging with the conversation on that level you have to be engaging with it in the in the terms of right we're talking about speculative ethics and philosophy you're not talking about like hey it's okay to perform an abortion so therefore we should kill a child yeah it's not advocacy it's not advocacy at

all no it's very it's very stupid and this is this is where that like kind of like really smart stuff intersects with really dumb stuff like Alex and yeah that's a it's a whole mess it's a whole mess you know some things it's not like it's not like you need to be kept away from them otherwise you'll be it's like oh it's touching fire it's just like it's better for you and for all of us if you just let this one go much like touching fire exactly just let it go better for you you don't get burned it's better for us we don't have to put that out yep put out the fire yeah just don't do it man yeah I'll stay away from smart

stuff it's not gonna hurt you so this guy Davis sure he has a you know he said that he wants this big tent freedom shit right pretty dumb right but yeah he has another dumb idea I say this in jest but I almost think it might be a useful voting tool although you're not saying it in jest are you it's called my scorched earth voting policy I think we should perhaps all unify to go into the voting booths and fill the ballot boxes electronic though they may be sorry what for the worst candidate we want to pick the worst candidate well that's what I said oh we already do am I right now and then the conservatives will at least

wake up the same idea both a great mind think alike yeah because the sooner it would be almost easier to take as an individual as an American if if Lady Liberty was simply decapitated in one fell swoop and we have a rusher to the OR we could rebuild Rome brick by brick that much summer hey they kind of did that in 2016 yeah hey yep nailed it fine yeah you got got your wish yeah 12 years after this yeah building building it back up not so not so easy not going great not so possible but you did manage to vote in the worst candidate yeah yeah what's fun about that is that Rome wasn't ever really rebuilt now was it

some could say it was in a constant state of being rebuilt mm-hmm well that's another good point I'm not a Roman scholar I don't know the history of that as well as as Greece per se but yeah I know now stupid this guy's dumb he's got bad ideas yeah that are fun if you're a dumb radio host let's they are not functional yeah I mean if you are saying it in jest then that's a jest if you are saying radio yeah if you're saying it honestly then you're essentially saying let's burn the country down so we can build something up right out of the out of the ashes now now here's the other interesting wrinkle that you can take

away from this sure if he's saying it in jest it's weird that Alex says that's what I've been saying exactly but also is this why you supported Ron Paul I mean well do you like America no they don't I mean is that really what we're getting down to is like let's burn this country down and build a white country and I don't care if I sound like a Nazi I'll do a Nazi voice that's interesting you say that Davis couldn't figure out how to spell his last name oh yeah it was really hard to Google him okay but then they get this call at the end of the show oh boy and what is your last name Lerman L U R M A double N L U R M A double

N that's correct okay Alex I wanted to know if you were aware that WLW in Cincinnati where you've been a frequent guest on the Bilbo shears program is owned by clear channel yeah I tell you what stay there we'll talk about it when you're back the one and only Bilbo shears so we got the spelling I thought there was an H in there for sure there's I had written down an H yeah there's so many spellings that I came up with an H yep so anyway now I was able to find this guy oh boy and let me tell you this the first thing that comes up when you Google Davis Lerman my god is a bit shoot video that he did he was a guest on a

show on bit shoot don't 2018 oh my god went on a show called revolution radio and he was on specifically to quote discuss the JQ which of course is the Jewish question that is a Nazi code yeah yeah apparently a big part of this interview was quote questioning the six million number I mean you know at a certain point you just got to say I am a Nazi and then we can do it's just like you know I feel like I hate Laura Ingram why cuz I don't like her for feelings fine we can't argue about this I hate Jews why cuz I'm a Nazi there we go you and me will never be friends it's strange how there were these little

indications like his bullshit big tent freedom thing coming after there was a weird caller about the Jews doing 9-11 weird how he does that Nazi voice and then strangely we get the spelling of his name and I find out that he was discussing the JQ on a bit shoot show also he was on another episode I couldn't get that episode to play otherwise I might have had some clips of it sure I'm sure he said some fucking awful stuff no doubt no doubt but he was on another episode that I did listen to a little bit of and apparently on that episode he was billed as a former 32nd degree Mason which is strange because that doesn't

come up when he's talking to Alex so maybe it happened in between maybe between 2004 and 2018 yeah went through all the degrees and became a Mason yeah how long does it take to get 32 degrees of Masonic six months okay I mean depends on how good you are at it you can speed run that's the next thing you should do on your channel that's the next thing I do on my job speed run masonry yes it turns out he's a big old Nazi yep that sounds right and a fabulous yeah that sounds right too he's building all these shows as a PhD I have no idea I can't get the bottom of it can't hang also he's a big fan of Tucker

Carlson sure says he's good at getting the message out right but you can kind of tell what that message might be yeah so anyway we come to the end of this episode and it turns out we've accidentally been listening to Alex and a Nazi complain about Bush's state of the Union 2004 yeah weird how this keeps happening in the past all of these guests are it's almost like it's been like that since the beginning almost like it yeah it's almost like it was more that way in the past but super crypto yeah none of this stuff is discussed no none of these ideas or feelings are really hashed out trying to put a brave

face forward much like Davis screening the calls that were negative against Alex because he knew it was better for his ability to use Alex as the next stepping stone for him or whatever these people obscure these these horrible views that they have on horrible associations and and horrible group memberships even maybe yeah because otherwise it's more difficult for them to pass off their extreme right-wing bullshit yeah you can't make it palatable to a normal audience if you know that you also think that maybe the Holocaust didn't happen well I mean the concern ultimately right is every 30 40

years right this pops this pops up and then it gets to the point where it boils over with your okc bombing or your January fucking 6th you know and then with like in the past they would go underground you know and they would start talking like this all the time they'd be like hey listen we don't want to deal with you know all that stuff until the until their bullshit forces society to a point where it accepts them openly and then they blow up and then we do it all over again it feels like we're not doing it all over again this time we're still going yeah we're still going with the same stuff we went through okc and now

we're like let's get some more well you know what here's the thing I mean I agree with you because at least in the sense that there there is a feeling of a culminating event in January 6 the optics of that the I mean not to say that no one died but you know it was it wasn't the same level of like dramatic right tragedy right you can't you can say spiritually it's a tragedy for our country and all this sure desecration of the capital and I think I think that's important to some people sure and there were people who died and you know that but you don't see that right you know like there's you don't see that you see

like smoke and people screaming right and and and all this you know you see the Q shaman you don't see the Murrah building explode right right and I think that that has a difference in the way that people process it and the way that it becomes so toxic to be associated with stuff towards it right after after Oklahoma City becomes like almost impossible to be like well yeah I love the militia stuff you do have to like really go underground whereas after January 6 apparently there is no social cost no yeah and so I don't know if I have a point but it's talking through yeah yeah what it feels like is slightly different to well yeah

and it does feel I mean here's what it here's what it felt like to me after the OKC bombing is that all when you were for no I mean I when I watched it right for also no I was no I wasn't for whatever yeah is like the the like Pat Robertson's of the world on the McLaughlin groups and all of those stuff they pulled back their rhetoric fast there they went all the way back from being like well I like it's a problem to be in like we all need to be responsible and safe with all this stuff and it has not happened after January 6 it has been I mean Tucker is is a hero worshipping the the whitewashing he's doing on January

6th and as the that has such political utility for the 2024 candidacy sure the whitewashing of the the event I yeah you're gonna see more people incentivized to behave that way and it's yeah I don't I don't know what to make of it it doesn't feel good no no no no bad yeah yeah you know I'm this is interesting noise here's what I'm saying all right I'm just saying that thankfully I trust the government to step in and solve this problem yep so I'll say it was something I'm thankful for yeah I forgot to mention this when I was talking about going to Florida yeah there was all that talk of like Trump getting

arrested sure and that was when I was going to be there oh yeah and so there was this weird fantasy I had in my mind of like he gets arrested I get stuck in Florida Florida secedes right no longer to the boy no longer are there open borders the wonks have to smuggle me back to the United States that's good it's good to know that the wonks will smuggle us if needed I'm thankful that it did not come to that yeah that's nice yeah yeah anyway Jordan we'll be back with another episode indeed Dave Davis Davis Lerman the Nazi hmm yeah we'll be back with another episode but tell them we have

a website indeed we do it's knowledge right calm yep we're also on Twitter we are on Twitter it's at knowledge underscore fight that is correct we'll be back but until then I'm Neo I'm Leo I'm DZX Clark baby oh you know what and now here comes the sex robots Andy and Kansas you're on the air thanks for calling hello Alex I'm a first-time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you