Knowledge Fight - #791: March 30-31, 2023

Episode Date: April 3, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan check in on Alex's response to the news of God-King Donald Trump being indicted.  You may be able to tell from the episode's runtime that it was slightly underwhelming. but does give him the chance to interview a guest it seems like he shouldn't.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan and George, knowledge fight. Need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a Christian color. I'm a huge fan. I love your words. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you. Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are Dan Jordan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What's up? What's your right spot today, buddy? My bright spot. It's hard for me to think because it's hot.

It is hot in here. Yeah. Like the the heaters, the radiators are out of control and I cannot adjust them and it is brutal. I can't I can't crack a window in in the studio either while we're recording because you scream and even my voice carries. So like I don't want everyone on the street here in our shit. Yeah. Yeah. You got to pay for that. It's hot. I'm gonna pay for this free show. We're recording this in advance a little bit recording a little bit earlier than usual because you're going on a little trip which might be your bright spot. It was. I won't spoil it. Don't you worry. But tonight as we're recording this is the first night of WrestleMania. Indeed. So I'm excited about that. I'm hoping for a look. I'm hoping for a good time. I hope everyone has a

blast. They have a lot of fun out there. That's what I'm looking for. Right. Right. Right. Also, I just am excited for Sammy Zane and Kevin Owens to probably become tag champs. Okay. That'll be fun. All right. I think that's gonna happen. What are the what are the top bills? Probably that that that's up there. Well, I mean, there's two nights of WrestleMania. So tonight is night one and the night two. Probably the headlining match will be that the tag team championship for tonight the usos the longest reigning tag team champions in the history against Kevin Owens and Sammy Zane Canadian Canadian guys who hate each other but also love each other like sure. Sure. The Canadian way. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think that'll probably headline although there are other options like

the women's championship match might but the other night night to we have Cody Rhodes son of Dusty Rhodes was the son of a plumber. He should have to say that. Yeah. My dad was the son of a plumber son of a plumber. Yes. And Cody Rhodes is fighting Roman Reigns for the championship. And he's probably going to win all the Roman Reigns adjacent family members the bloodline. Sure. They're probably all going to lose because they've all been champs for a very long too long too long. Yeah. But it feels like a culmination of all this has come come into place. Gotcha. Yeah. It'll be fun. I'm not worried about Uncle Howdy. He can't hurt me anymore. He can't hurt you anymore. I'm free. I'm free of Uncle Howdy. Yeah. Although there's a small part of me that's a little bit

suspicious. He'll pop up somewhere. I don't know. But if I were a batting man I would be a little worried about Uncle Howdy. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. So yeah. What's your bright spot. My bright spot is it is spring break. Yes. My wife is off of school for the next week. So we're going to spend a few days out in the in the frozen north. Hey. All right. Walking around Canada. See in the city of Toronto. You know just just the two of us. We haven't been we haven't been just the two of us for a while. So it'll be nice. I don't know if that's true. The last time we went some place was with her parents. Oh that's right. That's right. OK. Yeah. So yeah. That'll be nice. And you know coming right off the heels of the anniversary. You know it's kind of like a

nice little anniversary trip because I hope you have a blast. And I've never been to Toronto. I don't think I was thinking about this. I don't think I've ever even been to Canada. Yeah. But I hear wonderful things. I think it'll be great. Although one of the things that I remember always hearing was that you get weed there. Yeah. And that's no longer really all that special. I will say this. It's fucking cheaper there than it is here by a wide margin. You say you say that very emphatically. I'll believe you because I don't know this to be true. I don't I don't partake. Yeah. No the last time I was in Toronto was almost 20 full years ago. Damn to see modest mouse and broken social scene and God speed you black emperor on Toronto Island. Oh which to this day is still

maybe the best day I've ever had. It started at noon metric was like it was all of Canadian as bands. This is maybe not going to live up to that. But while you travel to Canada. Yes I will be celebrating Canada's sons. Hopefully becoming tag team champions. It's a very Canadian heavy episode. And I have a chocolate bar that someone sent that is Maple. It's a Canada that's right themed chocolate bar. I might eat that while you're going to have to WrestleMania. You're going to have to. Oh what fun. I love I love themes across space and time. We'll give a little cheers with Canadian stuff. Oh I actually I think I might have two of those bars. I'll give you one. All right. Take it up there and try and give it to a Canadian person to see what's going on. So Jordan

today we have an episode to go over. Oh yeah. We're going to be talking about some present day bullshit. Sure. That sounds about right. So Trump got indicted. Yeah we heard. Yep. And so this happened after Alex was off air on Thursday on the 30th. And so he didn't have a chance to respond to it on air. It actually happened while Owen was on air during the war room. And so we get a little taste of his response to it. But Alex put out a video that evening. Of course that I can only describe as the definition of phoning it in. Oh yeah. It's him standing in front of a camera and as opposed to being at his desk screaming but we got to go live. Sure. Sure. There used to be a time when he would be like fuck it. I'm drunk. We are doing a two hour show right now. Yeah. This

is too big to miss. Now we'll just like sit in front of a fucking map trying to rip off Paul Joseph Watson. Yeah. And just do a one shot where he's like this is very serious garbage. Yeah I know he should have to come out at this point. He should have to escalate to the point where he comes out in like a black hood. He should be making al-Qaeda videos immediately after this because that's what he said that you're supposed to do if Trump is indicted. Right. That's the line in the sand where we start. I think we all know what we start doing then. You know. I think he should just like do the same thing that he's doing now but never not have a gas mask on. Yeah. Yeah. Like just be like perfect. Take chances. Balaclava gas mask. I'm going to go with plague

doctor hat. I don't hate it. Yeah. Bring it back. Now is the time. So yeah this episode has to do with his response from that evening and then Friday the 31st that show and tepid. Yeah. That's a good word. I think that we find so often that whenever there's the expectation that Alex is going to do something. Sure. It's kind of a disappointment like when he's going to respond to something big. It's kind of like it fizzles. Yeah. And then often he disappears. Yes. Yes. He does immediately go far away and that happens here too. Of course. So it's it's a mess. It's a mess. But we will cover all angles on it. Top bottom side other side. OK. But first it's a square. Yes. OK. No. Well rectangle. I was going to say rhombus but then I didn't. I've now

forgotten what a rhombus is. Geography. Geometry geography. So let's say hello to some new walk. Oh that's a great idea. So first Michelle and Daniel are having a baby in April. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy. Thank you very much. Congratulations. Hey we're not late on that. Yeah. That finally got it. She was. Oh wait. That's not insulting. Yeah. It's just a regular old. Yeah. Yeah. It sounded like a roast. It does. It does. It did have that tone. Next the Casey Anthony Alex Jones Academy of Inept on the Ball Liars. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Alex Joker and the Phantom Squatches. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much.

That is a Persona five reference. Joker is the main character in it and he has the Phantom Thieves. Gotcha. They're the Phantom Thieves of heart. So it should be the Phantom Squatches of lies or something of deceit. Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. You got to you got to add the honorific. Yeah. And then in that version of it where Alex is Joker he puts together. Oh OK. OK. Here we go. So Ryu would be Rob do. Rios. Rios Rob do. Riu do. I don't remember some of the other characters names. Shit. It'll be fine. Millie Weaver is Panther. I don't remember what her actual and on. Sure. I think it's her name. Uh huh. It's been a while since I've played that. But anyway they infiltrate people's subconsciouses to make them believe false things. Right. That's

the version of Alex Jones doing Persona five. That sounds that makes sense. Anyway next for these live band karaoke. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Next Bear Jews of tomorrow. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. And the Red Devil of Montgomery. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. So we start Jordan on the evening where Alex is doing his very lackluster response video. OK. And he starts a little soft. We're here on the evening of Thursday March 30th 2023. And this is a historic milestone for the American Republic. Just a little over 240 years old. Whether it's a liberal analyst or a Republican

analyst. Every historian agrees. No U. S. President former or current has ever been indicted by a state grand jury. Not even by the feds because you become a banana Republic right away. Not necessarily. But also saying that people agree on all sides about a factual statement. Yes. It is. I'm proud of us. I'm proud of us for agreeing on a factual statement. That's a new thing. It's a small win. It is. I guess it is a win. Yeah. I appreciate. I appreciate the sheer stupidity of that though being anything meaningful whatsoever. True. Just because I can't think of a president in my lifetime that hasn't committed a crime worthy of being arrested for. I can't think of a historical president who hasn't maybe I don't know. Carter has even committed a crime

in office that he should have been arrested for. Yeah. I think I think if anything it kind of it says we were a banana Republic until. But even even that I think is a little bit wrong because here's the issue is like this is about something that Trump did in order to get into office. You know this is part of campaign shenanigans or whatever. Right. It's not holding him accountable for any of the awful things that were done while in office. Right. You know it's not like whereas that would be what you would like to see a precedent being set for like oh you you killed all these people with bombs and drones. Right. Right. Right. Well that's bad. You now must answer for this would be nice as opposed to you paid some hush money. Yeah. So I don't know

if it sets a good precedent. Well I mean the the precedent before that was just if you go away everybody will move on. Right. You know if Nixon you know Nixon was just like you know what I'm out yeah you know and then everybody was like well we could cause problems but he's gone so let's just all be happy for a little bit. It might be fun but also it's going to be a mess. It's going to be a mess. Let's just move on forward. You're fine. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah Alex as it believes other other than us he believes this is a harbinger of collapse and then he calls on a familiar friend. This is the recklessness that always is a hallmark a harbinger of real collapse and destruction. The banks are falling apart. The borders are gone. Human smuggling is going on everywhere.

Everywhere. Just absolute evil is unfolding around us. Evil. We've forgotten God and we really are a curse nation. It's now time to pray to call for peace. Nobody should be violent over this. I'm really concerned they could stage a false flag or provocateur something. They've really primed the media that Republicans are going to be violent. That's the last thing we need. We're not Antifa. We're not the left. Now I want to play an exclusive statement we just got minutes ago from Roger Stone. He's been through what Trump's been through. It's time to pray again. It is. Yes. Yeah. I mean if you're someone like Alex it's time to be in a constant state of prayer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Read your Thessalonians buddy. Pray without ceasing. Roger's statement. Not worth

listening to. Pretty boring. Nothing in there. It's pre recorded. So it's not even him and Alex going back and forth. It's just something you put on his phone probably and then it was like hey Alex here you go. Yeah. Alex cameo. Yeah. Well I mean it did better than we could because Roger turned me down. I tried to get a cameo rat fucked again him and see both don't like me. Yep. So yeah Alex we know this from listening to a recent episode. He decided he was going to support Trump. Yes. And Alex kind of misrepresents that. So this is the season of them staging terror attacks and blaming it on Trump supporters. So let's get out ahead of this and say we're not for violence and they have the motive to do it. So here's Roger Stone's exclusive statement.

Then I'll ensure reading a statement from President Trump. But regardless I was on the fence about supporting Trump. The last few weeks I said OK I'm for Trump over to Sanis because Trump's been anti-World War three. But now we've got to get behind Trump because they're coming after all of our rights to pick a president or pick other leaders. And if this beta test by the Soros DA he controls most DA's in the country works most do this to everybody. Yeah. He controls all the DA's. So that's just bullshit. I guess he got tired of like Klaus Schwab being the big bad guy. So now we're moving it back to Soros for a little bit. Well Schwab can influence DA's though. Well he could. He could say go along with this or

I'll make you eat bugs. That's fair. That is fair. DA's hate eating bugs. It's what we know about the story is stereotyped. Yeah. So Alex was not on the fence about Trump. That's cute. Trying to pretend that this is decided to be on on his side now. You fuck off. But the other thing you can notice this in these clips that we've listened to already there is a real insistence of like there's going to be false flags to blame Trump supporters. Yeah. Again this is just Alex doing preemptive damage control about the high possibility of some right wing folks committing violence in response to Trump being indicted. Right. He has to get out ahead of that because he knows his community well enough to know that like someone's going to shoot

something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I suppose season of terrorists is better than summer of rage. At least we've upped upped our game there. Hmm. You know. He does say summer of rage at some point. Damn it. Yeah. So I don't know if we're really out of the woods. It is both time to pray and we're coming to a summer of rage. I am tired of reruns. We had the constitutional share on the last time. That's right. I'm so tired of reruns. So Alex discusses the indictment but also lies a bit about what it's about. They're trying to indict me. They're trying to indict Rand Paul. They're trying to indict everybody. And if they can't get the feds to do it Soros controls over 2,000 DA's and his attorneys are there. 22 attorney generals of the state.

Total weaponized law enforcement against the people where they let mass shooters out a couple days after they kill people where they let pedophiles out but say that somebody who might have given money to a high end prostitute that that person needs to go to prison even if it's true. And there's no evidence it is. This is so dangerous. Here's Roger Stone statement then President Trump statement and I'll see you tomorrow 11 a.m. Central info wars dot com and band on video. They're doing this not out of strength but out of deep state desperation because we're winning culturally. We're winning politically. So now they're hoping to turn the heat up going to the summer for a summer of rage and try to provoke a civil war. Damn it. Damn it. Yeah. It's almost

impressive how many misrepresentations about the indictment Alex packed into that tiny clip. He claims that there's no evidence of Trump making this hush money payment but that's definitely a lie. Part of the charges that sent Michael Cohen to jail were the fact that he made this payment as well as other hush money payments at Trump's behest. He pled guilty. Yeah. I mean it is. It is very funny that they're like oh well Cohen might not be a reliable witness. And it's like well obviously he's not reliable Trump for years of course not. But guess what he is. Evidence that this happened. He is a very he's a quite unreliable witness but also he had every reason to not plead guilty and went to jail because he pled guilty which is a is a strong

disincentive to plead guilty. Yes. In that case. Yeah. So I take that as a little bit of a you know putting it but walking the walk as it were. I mean it's hard not to think if the guy who handed the check hush money to a person went to jail then the person who signed that check should also go to jail. I feel like that's not complicated. Well I think it's a little bit more complicated because Michael Cohen paid her and then Trump repaid him. So there is like. Right. Right. Right. The veil of plausible deniability. OK. So it's like the wire. It's like Cohen is the is the kid who goes and takes the order. He's the corner boy. Yeah. I got you now. OK. So if the matter were just that Trump had made a payment to a sex worker I would agree that it doesn't really

merit discussion and it's totally fine. Yeah. It's for him and his wife to be great deal with I guess. Have fun. Have at it. The problem here is not that he had those affairs as that would really not be a criminal matter for the state. It's that Trump directed a subordinate to make hush money payments to the people he had affairs with while he was campaigning for president with the explicit purpose of influencing the election. Having an affair or even having an NDA for the sake of protecting people's privacy isn't an issue but what Trump did as far wider implications leaning towards election fraud. I can understand why Alex would make up a fake version of this indictment to respond to. But the idea that his audience would accept that framing

is a little sad. Yeah. It's a little bit to you. You guys come on. Yeah. Think about this a little bit. I mean you know you figure that for all you know the thing that Trump should be probably bumped for is the number of capture and kill stories that have been handled by so many different outlets where it's like well I'm not hush money payments. I'm just so fucking rich this person will protect me. Yeah. You know that's an issue at the whole arrangement with the National Enquirer stuff. Yeah. So one last clip here and it's we don't need to hear Roger's statement because it's boring as hell and doesn't really tell us anything. Right. But Owens commentary right after learning is a little bit interesting. OK. All right. Let me just pause right there

because I can't help myself before I go on. You know I just have a hard time sympathizing with Donald Trump on this because you were the president. You said you were going to drain the swamp. You didn't do it. OK. Wow. So that's the first logical thing I've ever heard you say. I don't have to defend Donald Trump. I'm going to defend the truth and I've suffered for supporting Donald Trump as much as almost anybody except maybe a Roger Stone. There's very few others who have suffered as much as I have for the support of Donald Trump. But that does not change the fact that I'm going to be honest about Donald Trump and you Donald Trump said you would drain the swamp and now you didn't. And so the swamp is coming after you and you

want sympathy from us who are getting crushed by the swamp too. We elected you to get these blood sucking vampires off of our freaking neck and you want sympathy because they're on yours. They're on ours. We made you president to get out of here. This is sad. This is a little bit sad. That is that is all. I mean the number of things that he actually said in there he has no concept of. Like first of all he's you noticed he said essentially that the reason Alex is in trouble is because he harassed the Sandy Hook families not because he supported Trump. Well actually I think that's one reading of that. But I also think that Alex always says that he is the person other than Trump and Roger who have been persecuted the most. So I think that maybe Owen is just

ripping that off or just repeating what Alex said. That could be but then forgetting that he's supposed to put Alex ahead of him. Exactly. And I think the reason is because he doesn't actually think it. Yeah. Then following along with that he's also made the so completely obvious point that is I mean essentially all of their points bound up in one which is we elected you to do the thing that you didn't do and there are consequences for that. That's a jump that I have not seen anybody on the right take. Yeah. Yeah. If you had become a dictator this wouldn't be happening. And that's the third thing which is that we wanted you to become a dictator immune from all law. Right. And because you didn't I have no sympathy for you. And that

is I mean yeah. It's hard to argue with that. Well I think all that's great. And then the side thing that I think also too is like there is an aspect of this that is kind of fun to hear that it's like fuck you Trump. You didn't you didn't like take care of this problem for us and now it's hurting you. Sure. But also that is being deployed in service of making the same argument that someone who was like they did Trump dirty. You know like all this like we got a support. It's making the same functional argument. Yeah. So I don't really know how great it's more interesting to see. Yeah. But it's just the same shit really. Yes. Yes. But it does change the value marker to competence. Hmm. What do you mean. I mean if he were competent

then this wouldn't be happening. So so the idea that that is accidentally being expressed here is that in order to be our leader you have to accomplish the thing. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I misunderstood you because I thought you meant the value marker in terms of like Owens. Oh no. No. Yeah. Yeah. No. No. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Which is like when was the last time that you've felt anybody in this sphere actually want to hold their own people accountable. Alex when he's making ultimatums about your dirty ass. Oh yeah. That's true. You know that's fake fake holding the feet to the fire. That's a good point. And so is this really totally 100 percent. But we jump to the morning. Alex is. I don't know what he's done. Why am I pretending I know

I have no idea what he did. He showed up at work. Now he goes on air. I don't know. But he's in a mood. He's in a mood. OK. Isn't it rich. OK. So he's in a mood. Yeah. Yeah. Oh no we got Sinatra losing my time in this late in my career. Yeah. Where are the clowns. It's Friday. There ought to be. March 31st. Twenty twenty three. Well maybe next year. We are in a major crisis. Our republic is collapsing. The dollar is losing its role as our currency. Our borders have been purposely lowered. Lowered. We are occupied by a corporate global force that seeks to destroy all nation states and the family. So like we heard him say it's the summer of rage in his that night clip. But

like this is this just feels like you're saying reruns. Yeah. Twenty years ago Alex was announcing that the dollar was being destroyed and taken out as the world currency. Twenty years ago he was saying that the border was gone and the attack on the family is under underway. He wasn't saying that in 20 years those things would happen. He was reporting them as happening currently back then. It's pretty remarkable how he can really just hold the audience in the grip of fear about the same things for so long despite them not happening and him being wrong all the time. Yeah. It's pretty impressive. Yeah. I mean the irony of that is that I but what was it China and they did they did take the dollar off as their reserve currency or whatever it is right.

And so you would think that this thing that actually happened that he got so worked up about 20 years ago finally happening would make him get equally worked up if not more so. And it seems very muted and kind of he doesn't give a shit. Well I mean you heard the Sinatra. Yeah exactly. He's in a mood. He's in a mood. Yeah. So we're in a crisis. Sure. Crisis of law. No matter what you think of President Trump this is the greatest legal crisis in US history. Every major analyst agrees that this is beyond unprecedented and is truly a bellwether or a harbinger of the end of the Republic. Now you know why Soros has put in over 2000 district attorneys and county attorneys and

controls 22 attorney generals. He's overthrown countless countries and he will overthrow America if we let him. I say Soros I mean the people he represents. I failed to care about Alex's opinion about this being a legal crisis. He made millions selling shirts and bumper stickers that said Hillary for prison. He and his ilk gleefully chanted locker up throughout the 2016 election and far beyond. He can straight up just calm down. Yeah. Trump is a former elected official who committed crimes and now he's being indicted for those crimes. It is true that this hasn't happened before with a former president but you know so what. I mean Andrew Jackson while in office this killed a bunch of people in duels which I'm fairly certain we're illegal at the time.

So the sitting United States president like it was murdered people in an illegal duel. It feels like everyone was just kind of cool with that. They were pretty cool with it. Yeah. So legal or not. It was technically illegal. Right. It's house rules. It did seem that way at the time. Everyone would agree with this statement. If a former elected official has committed a crime they should be held responsible for it and not get preferential treatment that essentially puts them above the law. I think we can agree on that. That's how it should be. Yeah. That kind of thinking is at odds with our general vibe in the United States. You know we're supposed to be all equal under the law. This idea that someone can you know just because you held an

office you're all of a sudden for life can't be a kick in trouble. There's not supposed to be an aristocracy. That was kind of the thing we wanted to get rid of. However no one wants politically motivated persecutions and prosecutions to become the norm which is why you see people like Alex framing things this way. He knows that no one wants political persecution and that he would look like a complete idiot if he were to argue that Trump as a former president should be immune for prosecution for the rest of his life or whatever he does. In order to solve that optics problem Alex just rewrites what's going on throws in some shout outs to his boogeyman Soros and can be pretty confident that his audience will just not along with it and be like hooray give me more fake pills.

Yep. Also it's not super cool for Alex to say that when he says Soros he means quote the people Soros represents. I think his audience can pretty clearly translate that kind of code. It's a little blunt. Yeah that one was pretty on the nose. Yeah. Not good. No. Not good Alex. Nope. So speaking of not good. Yeah. Today's guests aren't good. Oh no. Roger Stone predicted it yesterday. He'll be joining us in 15 minutes. Robert Barnes is gonna be writing shot down. Oh he's gonna be coming in as well. God damn it. This is excellent analysis and somebody wanted to get on for a long time. Alan Dershowitz is gonna be on with us. What in the second hour of his historical what legal views on this as well. So a big broadcast lined up for you here today. Man I don't

know if Alex should be excited to have Alan Dershowitz on his show. Isn't Alex supposed to be the guy who broke the whole Epstein thing long before everyone else. If so does he not realize that Dershowitz was one of Epstein's lawyers back in 2006 where he helped secure a slap on the risk deal so Epstein could go on with his sex trafficking of minors for another 20 years. Yeah. Dershowitz was on the the view where he said quote it's a case that's very very difficult and very very painful for me because I saw real victims out there. I think of myself like a doctor or priest if they wheel Jeffrey Epstein into the emergency ward the doctor is going to take care of him. Put slightly more honestly Epstein was super rich and there's a lot of money in it for Dershowitz

to ignore that there were real victims in the case so he could get Epstein off on a light sentence so he could go on to victimize more people. Right. Oh and he was a consultant for Harvey Weinstein's legal defense and he was part of the O.J. Simpson dream team. Yeah. This isn't a great booking for Alex if he wants to pretend that he's serious about the issues he covers but I don't think that that's a major concern. There's a chance this kind of interview will get mainstream attention and that's really all that matters here and his audience can be you know kept from realizing certain things if he'd be still a better booking at Barnes though. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what we're going to do if if Dershowitz never dies. He seems like he's

never going to die. He's going to be immortal and he's just going to keep representing pieces of shit for longer than you and I will be here. We'll just be watching Dershowitz gracelessly turn into a puddle. I wouldn't be surprised if Alex tried to get him. I agree. So Roger's on and here Alex tries to convince Roger to get in with him on the false flags are coming game and Roger's a little bit resistant. I think he has a decent reason. OK. Now Roger I want to raise this point to you and then get your breakdown of it and then how you see this unfolding. They're losing so bad with this in the polls. It's blown up completely in their face. It's causing the entire Republican structure to line up behind Trump. As you said he's up 25 30 points down. He was dead. He a month

ago with the Sanis and this new polls are coming up showing him shooting up even higher. Everybody knows he's a martyr. Everybody knows Biden's a pedophile and his sons a pedophile and Chinese agents and 100 laptop and all of it. I can sit back. I know the enemy's playbook. There is no way without them setting off truck bombs and blaming it on us or a mass shootings or a race attack or something that this is going to work for them. So I see the next card being staged violence to be blamed on us. A. You agree with that and B. How do we got ahead of that and stop that because we're winning. We forced them to engage in this open banana Republic behavior which is blowing up further. So or am I missing something here because I think only they can do now is I mean

watch World War three. Maybe a total collapse. I mean we're already there. Roger Stone. What do you think Alex. I think it all entirely depends on timing timing of which we're not sure. Let's be very clear. Even now we're reacting to a leaked story The New York Times and picked up by CNN. We haven't even seen the actual criminal indictment. Yeah. Yeah. See these are two people having two different conversations. Yeah. Roger's response is fairly tactical and reasonable and as much as it's like we don't even know what's in here exactly yet. Let's wait till we know some more details. Also Roger's a bit closer to Trump. So he probably is like yep. Oh that's hey we don't know. We don't know the facts. So let's not get worked up about false flags and all this stuff. Yeah.

Alex is having a separate conversation which surrounds the idea of creating preemptive justification for right wing acts of domestic terrorism. And so they're kind of at odds in that sense. Yeah. I mean OK. Maybe maybe if if somebody wants to have that how do we get out in front of domestic terrorism conversation. You are either in on that or you're out on that. You know. There's no there's no like OK. Well we'll talk about that a little bit. It makes me wonder if Roger is like super aware of that game in the moment that Alex is playing it because at times it seems like he does. But in this time maybe it's just I don't even want to play or whatever. I mean it could be. Roger's old and he's not important anymore. Maybe he's

just tired. Maybe he's just tired of being the globe traveling rat fucker we all know. He's also like he's wiggled out of so many tight spots over the course of his career and like the last one was real tight. Yeah. And so maybe it required the literal president of the United States to get out of and it required a literal. Oh I'm a big Christian now. He had to do the whole thing. Yeah. So maybe he's just kind of glad to be like I don't know outside of the prison. Yeah. Yeah. So we got Barnes also in the mix. Sure. Great. This is just like a big stew of people. Yeah. He throws in he throws these people. Well yeah. Roger is on with Barnes for a little bit and then Barnes is on with Dershowitz for a little

bit. And so here's Alex asking Barnes a little question. Bars are going to break in a minute and a half. But what are you going to be covering coming up. You'll be riding shotgun with Dershowitz one minute on what's most important right now. This is unprecedented on parallel territory. So unprecedented in a place where the gut the left is willing to use any power it has to derail constitutional democracy and the rule of law in America. And so I mean what we're facing. I mean he we've never had a situation where a former president has been indicted. We've never had a situation where the leading opponent of the incumbent administration has been indicted. This has never happened before. So this is completely unprecedented and probably is a bit

of a weakness in our constitutional system that this wasn't addressed or resolved sooner. But I think this is just as Trump exposed the corruption of the FBI exposed the degree of power of the deep state exposed the nature of the George Soros and Bill Gates globalist operations just by his presence triggering their opposition publicly and exposing themselves to the public. Trump is now exposing how dangerously politically weaponized our criminal and civil justice systems really have become quite quite a bit of analysis. Wow. I mean you know the other guy who was on the show was convicted of I mean campaign fraud essentially lying to the FBI. Yeah. In this case on Trump's behalf. That this this whole thing that wasn't even the worst crime that Trump

committed that month. Like we're way past where the rule of law might be an issue. Also Trump's personal lawyer went to prison for issues surrounding this exact same set of circumstances. The people in his orbit have done time. Yeah. At least one of them for things involving this same thing. Yes. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know Barnes. You're not you're not convincing me. No. So anyway Alex has a Dershowitz come in and he's pretty excited. He's pumped out of this guy. All right. Well I'm excited after many years trying to get him on the show that we've got him. I agree with him on about 90 percent of stuff to scream out 10 percent but nobody can deny that Alan Dershowitz is hands down America's top lawyer. 90 percent 10 percent means nothing.

That's just something that I like says if he has someone that he should not like. Yeah. But to sort of dodge having to talk about the hey this is a guy who was Epstein's lawyer. Right. Right. Right. That's a 10 percent. Yeah. I mean it is it is like 90 percent 10 percent. It's just that the 10 percent is like a genocide. You know like it's always like OK well listen I agree with most of what this guy does. Now of course he killed 17 million people with the poison shot but we don't agree on everything. 10 percent. 10 percent. Yeah. Is that really that big a deal. So Dershowitz sounds like if you can imagine someone who used to be one of Trump's lawyers who is also on a book tour about a book that he wrote about how they're trying to jam Trump up.

Sure. He really sounds kind of like that. Yeah. Kind of like a guy who's super invested and involved in supporting Trump who's also trying to sell a book. Are you saying that maybe he's not an objective. Oh boy. Beyond that even. He's a Democratic district attorneys and attorneys general and now they are prosecuting forget about the fact that he's the first former president to be prosecuted. He's the first presidential candidate to be prosecuted and he's running against the head Democrat in the world. Obviously President Joe Biden and when a popularly elected Democratic D.A. is going after the man running against essentially his boss the chief Democrat he better have a slam dunk ironclad case. And I have to tell you I haven't seen the indictment yet but

from based on what I've seen this may be the weakest case I've seen in my 60 years of practicing law. So this is a great danger to American democracy and the rule of law. And I hope that Americans and people all over the world will read my book at Trump as a way of saying to Greg we're holding you accountable. You may not be held accountable in New York where everybody votes against Trump but we're going to hold you accountable by reading my book. Yeah. We're going to hold the the attorney general of New York accountable by selling my book. Sure. Buy a copy of get Trump today. Yep. Yep. Great work. Yeah. So anyway I feel like you make a great point though that he hasn't seen the indictment. No. This is the weakest thing I've ever seen.

I haven't seen it. Yeah. I here's a problem I feel like as far as trust in our justice system goes everyone involved in the justice system is allowed to lie all the time. And I feel like in order to have a justice system that you can trust if you are participating in it you can't lie. I feel like that's so simple like that cops can lie is so fucked up. Yeah. You know cops should not be able to lie to me. You know that seems that seems simple like lawyers. Jesus Christ lawyers shouldn't be able to lie. That's the number one thing lawyers shouldn't be able to do. You I think that there is some disciplinary action that could come from if you do it in a courtroom. Right. But outside of a courtroom how can I trust anybody inside a courtroom if outside the courtroom they're

fucking lying all the goddamn time. It's a challenge. You know like I can't I can't split those two apart. No I get that you I get that people have this concept of like well within these four walls and to me those four walls are pretend they're pretend there are certain career paths that I think require a greater deal of integrity than than others. Lawyers are one law enforcement people are another elected officials are another like those are things where it's like you have a higher threshold because you are being entrusted with public trust. An insane amount of public trust and power. Yeah. And I don't think people are held to those standards. No. And that is unfortunate. They should hold themselves to it quite frankly. We think you would hope they would

want to but it turns out it's far more profitable not to. Yeah. I mean they the trick is you have ethics investigations and committees and all of those things that are independent watchdogs to follow through and make sure that everybody's held accountable and then they get a twenty thousand dollar fine. And then who. Yeah. So Alan Dershowitz is pissed off at Michael Cohen because he thinks that he's an unreliable witness. Sure. All right. Agreed. But apparently he's also slandered Dershowitz too. A prosecutor can't put a witness on the stand who he knows or reasonably suspects may be lying. And Michael Cohen my God. Is there if the word liar appears in the dictionary Michael Cohen. I mean he's the man. Next to mine. Lawyers lie to the federal

authorities like state authorities and tell you a recent interesting vignette involving me. So his lawyers have now said oh yeah he was a liar in the past he lied to everybody but suddenly God has come down to him lightning struck and he's suddenly turned to a complete truth teller. Well two days ago he did a tweet about me which constituted a defamatory lie. He suggested that I was on Jeffrey Epstein's island with underage girls. Obviously that never happened. The one person who accused me is now recanted and basically said she may have mistaken me for somebody else. Nobody has ever accused me. Even she never accused me of being on Epstein's island. You're not on the flight logs and no one has ever said they saw you other than one person that was. Yeah.

But Michael Cohen decided to lie about me and I'm going to sue him. And so this will be something that's used in crossing. Let's see the discovery process on that one. We're going to sue Michael Cohen. That's big news. Yeah. Tell us. For defamation. And then the question that if he takes the witness stand he'll be asked. You say you started telling the truth but you just lied about Alan Dershowitz. You know he wasn't on Epstein's island. You know he's never had sex with an underage girl. He just got mad at him because he called you a liar. So you made up a story about him. So you're still lying right. How is he going to get around that. Look if these people need to turn this all into a circus they're going to do that. I understand that and I want no part of it. Also

you can tell Alex is like why the fuck did you bring this up. I know dude what the fuck is wrong with you. Do this. I don't know what the reality is with Dershowitz in terms of like going to the island or his involvement with Epstein's crimes but I do know that it's a lie that he wasn't on the flight logs. Alex is just making that up just as a reaction defense kind of like a knee jerk or he's intentionally lying to cover for Dershowitz. Dershowitz traveled on Epstein's private jet along with Ghislaine Maxwell quote one unidentified female a Hazel and a Claire in December 1997 long before he was his lawyer working to get him a sweet slap on the wrist deal so he could keep hurting people and there were plenty of other trips between then and 2005

an article about their connection in Gawker is so goddamn funny after all the logs came out and his connection to this very powerful very evil child predator was made public Dershowitz played the I barely know the guy card insisting that they weren't friends and that their relationship was professional Gawker contrasts that with the comment that Dershowitz made in a Vanity Fair article that came out before the revelations of Epstein being a child sex trafficker came to life so in a different context perhaps his answer is not the same he said this is from that Vanity Fair article quote Alan Dershowitz says that as he was getting to know Epstein his wife asked him if he would still be close to him if Epstein suddenly filed for bankruptcy Dershowitz says he replied

quote absolutely I would be as interested in him as a friend if we had hamburgers on the boardwalk in Coney Island and talked about his ideas he went on to say quote I'm on my 20th book the only person outside my immediate family that I send drafts to is Jeffrey so yeah they weren't they weren't friends wow yeah that is astonishing yeah they weren't they weren't close at all yeah so look without drifting into some of the more uncertain territory what we can say is that he was flying on Epstein's plane long before he had a real legitimate professional reason to and seems to have been really comfortable talking about what good friends they were before everyone knew Epstein was a monster take that how you will but no matter what you think it's really

shameful shit for Alex to have him on as a guest and not grill him about this stuff not only is Alex not pressing any hard questions about Epstein he's lying about Dershowitz's relationship with Epstein in order to make him more palatable to the audience and why because he's pro trump this is just like how Alex had no idea about William Barr's connection to Epstein like when a bar was playing ball with Trump but Alex suddenly remembered all that stuff as soon as bar needed to be painted as an enemy because he didn't side with Trump Alex deprives his audience of being able to make an informed decision about people and events by only presenting a tailored version of reality curated to serve whatever the current narratives and needs are it's gross in general but so much

more gross in this case where it involves Epstein a story that Alex claims he was the first to cover this is pathetic yeah yeah what fucks me up what fucks me up about it so much is like you know when you we i i've complained many times that there aren't enough aren't enough folk you know and it is one of those things where it is Alex and his ilk that are standing in the way by claiming that everybody in the government is a pedophile from people actually holding the people on Epstein's circle accountable like it is Alex's job to run interference for those people by claiming all of this bullshit and now he's got Dershowitz on there to help whitewash his yeah you know it's like you know it's like what the fuck if we were able to hold any of if we were able to hold Epstein's

if people who were on Epstein's flight logs were held accountable how many people would we not have to deal with we would have a lot more people there's a few yeah um one of the one of the things that i would say just in response to that is that like i don't know if Alex is making it uh like so we can't but he's not helping yeah that's definitely because i think that there's other people beyond just Alex and his right wing shithead friends true um no absolutely that absolutely that it's just i don't know i found it to be a real bummer i mean just i know that alex didn't cover Epstein before everyone else we i know that's not the case we all know that um but he thinks he is he was yeah and this behavior is like really out of sync with and disgraceful to who he's pretending to be

yeah and that's uh that's a bummer yeah at a certain point i'm not mad at him from outside of info wars i'm mad at him from inside you know like you're wrong he's wrong about you yeah yeah brutal we're uh in the second hour at this point and i noticed that barns was talking a lot more yeah and so they go to break and they come back come back and alex has just left welcome back to the alex joe joe robert barns your guest hosting with the uh one and only the inimitable professor alan dirshowitz wow the greatest living uh constitutional lawyer in our time on matters of criminal law civil law and political arena as well as managed to cover all three in his lifetime uh a rare someone that i would like to emulate over my legal career

if i get the i believe that fortune to do so uh professor dirshowitz you may have you may be able to emulate him in as much as you both have trash reputations yeah so so alex is gone just gone yep just gone just gone just gone took off did somebody with somebody whispering in his ear like you know who dirshowitz is right i don't know i think he probably had a hearing to go to or something most likely i have to assume because it's it's abrupt and he has a big guest yeah on so i don't feel like it would have been just like a uh i'm not feeling it yeah or something i i can't think of much that seems less entertaining than a barns dirshowitz conversation yeah about politics yeah yeah i listen to it and it's not good no i i believe you we're not gonna listen to any more

of it thank you so much because then something else happens okay so barns is hosting with dirshowitz and then all of a sudden owens shows up oh wild cards friday on the alex jones show you've had alex jones you've had roger stone you've had robert barns you've had allen dirshowitz and now owens shroyer and robert barns and everybody talking about the trump indictments today don't care nope so it's time like yeah i you know i'm all i'm all pumped i'm ready for the trump indictment sure spectacular and it turns out it's fucking wild card friday or owen or alex is there for maybe an hour and 20 minutes of the show yeah and then barns takes over to interview allen dirshowitz and then owens shows up and he says he's gonna take calls i said no that is that is a carousel of

people on the stupid v evil continuum but what shit yeah that's garbage yeah that is garbage oh alex it was supposed to i mean that's big time oh think about that that that's this is going to be i know it doesn't exist anymore but if we were going to do this is your life for alex jones and these are the people who showed up you'd be like yeah that's about right this is your life buddy yeah these are the people who weren't busy you did it um but also the other thing that i would i would say uh here is this to me feels like the main event of wrestlemania one of the competitors shows up and then bring some weirdo along yeah and then they leave halfway through the match of the weirdo still there what's happening yeah yeah yeah this is the main event serious look i just got

indicted there is something about like when you have when you're a kid and you have two circles of friends and you bring one from the one circle of friends to your other circle friends house and then you're like oh man i gotta go and then that person is just stuck there like just abandoned to a group of strangers who don't like them yeah that's that's about right i just can't handle it yeah i can't handle them like hot potatoing the hosting duties around musical chairs or some shit yeah that's the sign of a good operation having no idea who's going to be hosting in the next 15 minutes oh barns we need you there for 15 minutes to fill the gap between when i'm leaving and when owen will show up but unreal yeah unreal so anyway um that maybe i mean obviously this is

a little bit of a shorter episode but it's what happened yeah there's no other episode since then when we're recording so like what are we gonna do what a bust this is a this is a wet blanket yeah on our excitement about possible drunk hatchet throwing or something just there is there is so many i can't begin to describe the number of like people see a clip of alex and then send out a message from in whatever avenue of like i can't wait for the knowledge fight guys to cover this and every time i want to be like listen i know you think that yeah you're way wrong yeah a lot of times those clips are what goes around because they're the only thing yeah and when they're put into their larger context they often aren't as entertaining as they appear

to be or they're entertaining for a different reason right and those are the ones that i like the ones that are like entertaining for a a like much different reason like the clip of alex saying he was gonna eat his neighbors yeah is great but taken in the larger context of that episode where he keeps talking about it even funnier much much funnier much funnier you're not gonna get that shit from rom philip beh no but this sucks yeah fuck you alex fuck you this is this was your time to shine i mean that's the best time like he's gonna have more eyes on him because of the indictment here's what we do i'm pitching this okay all eyes are on alex obviously i agree with you sure night of drunk hatchet throwing totally absolutely shows up the next morning completely hung over

but he pretends that he was just up all night having meetings 100 so he has all of this insight information that he can riff off the top of his head great love it he has dirshowitz in they talk a little bit about the law and then he flips the script on him totally takes him to task for being epstein's lawyer amazing i lured you in here amazing yeah that is i mean honestly i would actually fucking watch that shit yeah it'd be a better show it'd be better it'd be a much better show yeah yeah so anyway you're going to be in canada this week i will one of the reasons that we're recording in advance is that we're gonna have episodes for the week you bet for everybody so there will be no disruption of podcast manufacturing no no service outages no no and

last month you know there was a lot of stuff going on you know we had our live shows and then i went to florida and so you know there's a lot less sneak in yeah and so a lot less wednesday episodes so i want to i want to say we may be sneaky we may be sneaking there may be some sneaking going on we'll be bad we didn't forget no it when has the snake ever not snuck so well on a long enough time scale snakes tend to sneak also furthermore i mean you can't sneak if you're always doing something people know where to look exactly exactly but i i do i was worried a little bit that people might have thought that we had retreated to our snake caves that's what you want you want them to think oh that's the end of sneaky snake episodes so maybe maybe i'm doing a disservice

by or maybe it's a double bluff could be maybe we won't have any sneaky snake episodes tonight bro uh we'll see um we'll find out next time but until then we have one time do you do it sounds fight dot com yep we're on twitter we are on twitter is that knowledge of the score fight yes we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark at the b-weep boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop boop oh you know it ah and now here comes with the sex robot andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding Well, Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.