Knowledge Fight - #793: January 27-29, 2004

Episode Date: April 7, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan dip back to the past to follow along with Alex's adventures through 2004. In this installment, Alex commends John Kerry for his service in Vietnam, shows no interest in the coming election, and gets mad at his audience for being dumb.

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight. Dan & George, knowledge fight. Man, I need money. Andy and Tansa. Andy and Tansa. Stop it. Andy and Tansa.

Andy, Andy, Andy. It's time to pray. Andy and Tansa. You're on the airplane trolling. Hello Alex. I'm the Mr. Sean Collin, I'm a huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge fight.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, knowledgefight.com. Knockknockknockknockknockknockknollagefight.com I love you Hey everybody welcome back to KnolageFighting. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you.

Uh huh. What is it? What's your bright spot today? I'd like to turn the tables on you. Ooh. What's your bright spot? I will tell you what my bright spot is Dan. My bright spot is now normally in this point in time if I were to say the word tennis who would you think I was talking about?

Well it can't be Rafa because you want me to think that it is. Exactly. So it's got to be Agassi. Not quite. Sampers. No. So, so. That Greek guy. Two kids. Very close. Two kids. Right? Carlos Alcaraz. World number one. Is that the Greek guy?

At 19 years old. No. He's my new Spanish Adonis. Okay. I had 19 year old Rafa for the last 20 years. And now you've got Alcatraz. 19 year old Alcatraz. And he's playing Yannick Sinner. Right? Who is another 21 year old kid. Right? They just played

they are two of the best players in the game and they just played one of the most incredible matches that you see outside of like a Rafa or Federer or a Rafa and Djokovic kind of match. It is, they were playing incredible tennis. It was amazing and it made me, it was like, oh

thank goodness. After this, you know people have been yelling about the big three era being like, oh, what are we going to do after that? You know, all that shit. We got cool shit coming up, man. It was really, really fun to watch. It is always a great feeling to know that the next generation is going to be

going to have some hits. I mean, it's been brutal. You know, under Rafa and Federer and Djokovic, that next generation was so beaten down psychologically of like, we're never going to win. I feel like there might, I don't know if this is

possible, but maybe this more my mind goes is like, I was a basketball fan around that time after Jordan. Right. And so I, that sort of evokes that feeling in me of like, the sort of the end of Jordan's career and then the like new crop

of folks that were coming up. Sure. You know, folks like maybe Carl Malone and Charles Barkley had been beaten down by we're never going to win it. Right. Patrick Ewing was like, I'm not going to win it. Patrick Ewing was not going to win it. No. Like maybe, you know, maybe there's a little I don't know. I'm just trying to, I'm trying to relate.

No, no, no. I understand. It's like Kobe would never be able to flourish if Jordan were still around. Kobe's Kobe's whole thing would have been eaten alive by Jordan and only by Jordan leaving was Kobe allowed to try and take over that mantle of Jordan. Sure. You know, that kind of thing.

And then there was the Allen Iverson. Totally. The Stefan Marbury. Sure. The Keith Van Horn. But it wasn't until LeBron that we got new Jordan. The Oster Tag. And then it wasn't until that we got a perfect score country. Bryant Reeves and then the next, the next

the next person coming is this guy named Wimbayana. He is seven foot three. He can shoot as well as Steph Curry. He is smooth. Like a seven foot three guy is supposed to lumber. You know, he he is like a lizard. He's like a snake.

He just going wherever he wants. Seven foot. He is going to be the like everybody in the planet is like, Oh, I don't know what basketball is going to look like after this guy because he's just going to lay waste to this world. Wow. Yeah. Good times. Yeah. Good times laying waste to the world. What's your bright spot, buddy? Man, I'm conflicted.

We're recording this on the same day that we recorded Monday's episode. So coming up with another bright spot. I thought about it before we came today. I was like, I had to get my second one in the chamber. I can't say what happened at WrestleMania week night one because it hasn't happened yet. It's still

this evening. That's true. I can't pretend that it's day two because that's tomorrow. But I will say that your bright spot almost certainly would have been WrestleMania's action. If history is prelude, it wouldn't be because I'm disappointed. Oh, okay.

So your bright spot is this. Once again, you get to live in the joy of anticipation. I don't have buyers remorse. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Your bright spot is it said the possibilities are still endless. Yeah, you know, there is something to that. Anything can happen anything. They all could have a great time out

there. He could be hit by a meteor. You don't know. Logan Paul is fighting Seth Rollins. I'm not saying it would be a bright spot, but it would be notable if all of a sudden like, oh, the greatest tragedy is the first night of WrestleMania was hit by a small

meteor. It would, I mean, it would move the needle would move the needle. We'll be talking about it. Um, but would it be a work would it be a case fave meteor? That's the question. It was it was Vince behind it the whole time. Right.

He was sick of having to get he got kicked out. Now he's back after the meteor meteor power. Time that he was away. He was on the top of the mountain. Yeah, he's got he's fighting against people with blonde hair. Yeah, I'm all into it. Um, so anyway, this is actually kind of appropriate to be my

hold over bright spot. Sure. Because wrestling might come up on this episode. Okay. In a very depressing way. Oh, no. So, um, today, Jordan, we're going to be in the past. Yes. Because, like, we mentioned, we're recording this in advance for your vacation. So, you know, gotta wait. What can you do? Really?

I mean, we could talk about a project, Kamala and some other thing or we can stick around in the past. I'm having fun swimming in these past. I am loving and I'm loving the past and I'm also loving the like, new found lack of dex destination about the past. I'm feeling less

like we're looking for an investigation. We're not doing that. I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, I think I enjoy it too because we can take what comes and we can get little mini investigations along the way. Like, what does he do about Saddam? Unfortunately, that backfired on me hard with the teen

scream thing. True. True. But that was really just be panicking and trying to fight something for our live show. There is a little bit about that. So, um, I don't know if we have any progress on any real fronts. Yeah, that sounds about right. But there is one thread actually that continues in the last clip of this

episode that I laughed my ass off when it happened. Okay. So, I'm very excited to get to that. But first, before we get into anything, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new, uh, wands. Oh, that's a great idea. So, first, uh, I think it's Ian. Uh, it's spelled E-O-I-N

from Scotland. Uh, I always want to say Eoin. Yeah, Ian. It's Ian. Yeah. That O is out of place. Anyway, you're now a policy one. Thank you. I'm a policy one. Thank you very much. I feel like people are fucking with me here, too, because I just looked at the next one. Uh, thank you so much, President of the Finnish Knowledge Club,

uh, uh, Knowledge Fight fan club of Espoo. The city is pronounced like Espo, not Espoo. Thank you so much. You're now a policy one. I'm a policy one. I get it. Thank you very much. I don't know how to pronounce things. Uh, next, Jack Durden, thank you so much. You're now a policy one.

I'm a policy one. Thank you very much. And, uh, my wife's tennis partner has Uncle Howdy Elbow. Thank you so much. You're now a policy one. I'm a policy one. Thank you very much. I'm worried about that elbow. Hmm. Uh, we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. Also, so, uh, thank you so much to Chris and Cheyenne would like to announce

the birth of Copeland H on December 3rd, 2021, Blackjack. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy one. Four stars. Go home, give them out, and tell them you're brilliant. Someone, someone Sotomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark.

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. That's a palindrome date. Yeah, I think I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say they did that one

on purpose. I think that was a joke. Yeah. But I think it might have been a real baby. I think it may have been a real baby. Yeah. The, the jury's out on that still. Yeah. I don't have any proof. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, we start here. Um, this is going to be the first one. We're going to be covering the period of January 27th, 28th and 29th.

We actually don't have anything of the 28th. The audio is jacked. So, I make sense. Yeah. So, we jump to the, from the 27th to the 29th. And here's where Alex starts out on the the 27th. It's talking a little bit about bird flu, which we know is a bio weapon. Yeah.

In the present day. Yeah. But what was it in 2004? Let's find out. But the bird flu outbreak is deadliest on record. And why suddenly do we see all this showing up and why are they fear mongering? It's obviously serious if it's killing people and it's a deadly strain of flu.

But the reason we see the flu is always coming out of Asia is because they'll have tens of thousands of pigs in pens on these giant hog farms right next to thousands and thousands of geese and chickens.

And, uh, they've, they've done the studies. They've known for 50 years it's because the manure of the different species combined together and becomes like giant petri dishes where different types of flu viruses mutate and merge together.

And that's where it's all coming from. Oh, so it's agricultural stuff? It's a naturally kind of occurring and hmm. Weird. Weird. Weird. That wasn't a bio weapon back then. So there's this trend we've been tracking

here in the past and that is that Alex's show cuts off constantly. Yeah. Like almost every episode that he gets the feed to suddenly there's music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So here, this is the third time it happens within the half hour of the first half hour of the show.

Oh, shit. So we'll get into that. Also what some of the new leaked news memos are saying about the government staging actors playing the part of troops saying how much they love the war on television. Howard Dean

called for a microchip ID card. Thank God for the ready. Yeah, that's a better show now. I thought the clip that I had there actually had him coming back in because he's just kind of like frustrated but also like you know, what are you going to do?

Not that big a deal. He's really varying between whether or not it's a conspiracy or whether it's a very obvious low rent operation. Right. Technical difficulty. What are we going to do with this one? Yeah, I mean, you can't really be mad after it happens

this many times this often. You can't even be really mad anymore. No, you know, you can only really be mad if it happens once every month or something and you're like, this is because somebody fucked up. But if it's if it's happening all the time and you haven't been able to catch the saboteur yet, that is

also why you can't really have it be a conspiracy because it implies a real lack of effectualness on your part. Yeah, you should really be looking for that saboteur. Yeah, especially if it's three times in the first half hour of the show. So Alex decides let's go fucking low stakes tech's not working today. I'm going to

talk to my gold guy. All right. So he has a guy from Midas Resources on to sell gold and this dude is intense. He is much more so than Ted Anderson and even Bob Chapman. He is just this guy swinging.

I can sell them to you in groups of 10 or 20 mixed up like that. Now, first off first thing some guys say, jeez I can't afford 10 or 20. You know what don't say I can't afford 10 or 20. Call up your broker here at the Alex line

888-294-6187 888-294-6187 Let him know what you need to protect. You need to protect your loved ones. You need to protect yourself. You don't need to protect cable television. You don't need to protect anything else. This is life and death

people. This is absolutely life and death. Give us a call today on the Alex line 888-294-6187 Call the Alex line and buy our gold or else your family is going to die. That guy has taken a lot of the same sales classes I took at that time here.

No, a little bit later. The delivery is soft and low but what he's saying is a little bit too much. I thought this was interesting. This was a guy that I don't know of or I don't really know who he is even really. He's just a Midas resource salesman

but he said something that I thought was slightly interesting. I've been doing this for 26 years Alex. I'm as happy right now with the gold as going as I was in 1979 because it looks like we're off to the races here. Give us a call today on the Alex line

888-294-6187 Tell them you're a loyal Alex Jones listener. Tell them you want the Alex Jones special. As a bonus anybody that buys 10 coins I'll give a free subscription to

the international forecaster. All right well Jack thanks for coming on the show. The international forecaster is Bob Chapman's newsletter. Bob Chapman is already financially entwined with Midas resources as far back as 2004 which is a little bit earlier than I would

have put it because I don't see Bob coming on once a week at this period like he does in the 2008-2009 time frame even a little bit after that. Bob is a much more regular presence. Maybe he had to work his way into the trust

trusted you can go on the radio level of Midas resources situation Could be a Bob and Ted are tight but Alex maybe doesn't know Bob as well It could very much be or just like Ted hires

this dude to run a newsletter and that's it. No that's not what it is. Bob had his newsletter and they were getting gold Bob was also in the gold business way back to his roots

in South Africa and Rhodesia so he had all that history so he was already in this gold market so he had his newsletter and then the two of them just kind of entwined their interests

so if you buy gold you get a free subscription to the international forecaster then the international forecaster always directing people to Midas resources to buy gold so it's kind of a it's an uroboros of bullshit but I wouldn't characterize it as like he's on the payroll

to do a newsletter there's still a little bit more I think there's more autonomy probably to Bob's newsletter than Alex has on his own show really Bob's newsletter from a lot of the stuff that I've read is flagrantly racist beyond even what Alex

throws out and stuff is just like holy shit yeah yeah it's great when even if you're looking for investment advice they're like well we gotta be racist can't not be yeah well there's investment advice only fills up so many pages

yeah you're right it's really kind of a yes or no investment yes no so Alex takes some calls and this one caller is a little bit he's got a bad idea hi Alex I got a couple things that I wanted to let you know

one was you've gone over this thing a bunch of times on the Silverstein video and that but last Thursday I decided to send a link and email to about 25 different friends on the the page that you had set up on prismplanet.com with all the different videos

and all different information and I sent out the 25 emails about 11 o'clock Thursday night and then flighty decided to check it because I put in the email I wanted comments back from me and my friends on what they thought about this and Friday night I go to go into my email check it and I type in my password

and of course it says invalid password or username so I tried this three times got the same message and I decided to click on the help button and I did that and I'm going to get a page that comes up so this Yahoo account has been deactivated so I found it to be quite interesting

and I went to go to my Yahoo messenger to see if I could get on that and talk to some people and I plugged in my username and password and I get a little message that comes up to the system your account has been locked for security reasons so that's never happened before when I've emailed anything out

and I've got this happening now so that was kind of interesting that that happened within a 24 hour period of time they're very upset about the Silverstein story I can see that Yahoo is? well yeah I mean my show would probably go off the air about 10 seconds once a year

right now it's continually happening we've had the phone company out here eight times and looked at it we can connect when we're not live nothing happens then when we're live this happens I have to go to a backup studio I'm considering that now so now it's a conspiracy

so I love the image of these globalists that Alex thinks he's fighting so like they need to do things out in the open because of cosmic laws because they have to let you know what they're doing interdimensional treaties predictive programming, glass or magic they have to have Silverstein come out on PBS

and say that they blew up the building they have to do it because they have to give you a choice or whatever but as soon as people start talking about it they're all of a sudden terrified and want to shut it down by all means possible to the extent that they would sabotage Alex's studio and close the Yahoo account

of some weirdo who probably has 25 friends that he has contacts with on email this is silly this is dumb I got your password or instead of clicking the reset your password

sign you were like what if I try my password elsewhere it could be also just a coincidence could be, you know I mean it is a coincidence it is a coincidence it is not a conspiracy even a little bit I see

scant evidence and by that I mean none so the New York Observer had a story I think about a year prior to this about skull and bones and so Alex digs this back up now two years ago the New York Observer was able to

perch atop a chimney of a building across the street from the tomb in New Haven Connecticut where Yale is based

and they were able to catch one of the rituals they do that had been reported and leaked by skull and bones members of the past and that is ritual throat splitting of women and then offering their bodies up to Satan and then one of the skull

and bones members walks out in a outfit dressed up like the devil and says I'm Satan you can now enter the underworld your sacrifices served me well good time most reported on

at the New York Times reported on it Fox, CNN, Peter Jennings I've got him on video playing it saying oh they're just having fun what's the big deal I think I would know more about even the most secretive college

fraternity style thing if they were regularly throat splitting I feel like regular throat splitting is the point at which we would all know a lot more about it and the other thing that's really important to understand is the tomb is a building and there's a courtyard in the middle of it so it's not like an actual

tomb tomb it's not a catacombs underneath Paris filled with skulls and so there's a courtyard in the middle of it and this person was able to get video by standing on another rooftop and looking into the courtyard and so if they were slitting throats in the courtyard

first of all dumb and very obvious would be observed by a bunch of people also might be finding a lot of bodies yeah, you know I understand that the rich we believe that they are capable of so much more

than we are which is true but there are limits and I think once you get to 15 or 20 throat slits or the slit throats over the decades of skull bones but we also know about Alex's difficulty

in differentiating between like real and fake and so he'll talk about how they actually burned a child at Bohemian Grove and stuff when there's an effigy or something and so like a mock throat slitting or something he would report is them actually slitting

a throat so who knows what even fucking means so in 2001 a New York Observer reporter named Ron Rosenbaum published an article about how he and a team had spied on what they decided must have been a skull and bones initiation ceremony from the roof of a neighboring building

from which they could spy into the courtyard this is kind of raises an important question like if it's this easy to spy on the skull and bones rituals why hasn't anyone done it previously it's not like the neighboring building was just built if the bones men were really as concerned about ultimate

privacy as they appear to be you'd think that they would have the foresight to know that their courtyard was plainly visible from an easy to access rooftop it's almost like they don't actually need total privacy but the allure of mystery is the only thing that gives them any kind of meaning in society so you play into it yeah

I watch this video and it's dumb it's really hard to make out a lot of what's going on because it's at night and it was shot on the quality of cameras that were around in 2001 so you kind of have to fill in a lot of the gaps yourself which is exactly what Alex is doing yeah from what I can tell they definitely make some dude kiss

a skull and there's a lot of yelling I got that much from all right so they're the proud boys no serials now former skull and bones members went on the record and said that this what was on the video was nothing like what they went through in their initiation rights and it seems unlikely that a group

that's so invested in tradition and their own history would just up and change the initiation ceremony into this screaming nonsense having watched the video and poked around a little bit for contextual information I'm inclined to believe the perspective that the former bones men Steve McDonald told Yale Daily News

when he speculated that the whole thing might have been staged or that there's like a prank going on another compelling point he makes is that with few exceptions these kinds of rights are carried out inside the headquarters not in the courtyard of course yeah I think this is all really silly and

ultimately it's a situation where the only people profiting from these kinds of stories are the conspiracy theorists and the elites yeah the conspiracy theorists get to sensationalize shit in order to craft more interesting narratives to capture their audience in bullshit worldviews the elites particularly the Ivy League folk

who are part of these secret societies in college they get to enjoy the mystique that this attention gives them and how the absurdity of it all places them into somewhat elevated position above the masses oh you've gone through these secret rituals and rights they have secrets and maybe even supernatural powers that you don't have access to because

you're not one of the elites yeah it's all just a dumb game might as well be like reality TV quite frankly yeah I mean why not if somebody if people want to give you a self-fulfilling prophecy of like oh look at how cool and secret these people are why not be cool and secret

yeah yeah lean into it throw in the yeah that'd be awesome I'm not gonna believe you if you debunk it anyway who cares you're a fucking fraternity yeah so Alex talks a bit about the connections between the bin Laden family and the Bush family which is fair enough

there are connections there yeah Alex's version of the story a little silly but then he gets side tracked below is the time one that details the relationship between the bin Laden and the Bush's families that culminates in the tragic events of September 11th

oh I mean we've got FBI agent Robert Wright standing up the National Press Club crying saying here's the letter where if I tell you what I know I'll be arrested that's W-199 I folks that that's an order arising out of that order

people still deny W-199 I when it's in the associated press and the BBC invented Bush said don't stop the bin Laden's don't stop Al Qaeda and again people just say well I'm not gonna talk about that it's not true okay it's not true

so this document W-199 I is a really useful and mysterious thing in Alex's hands it's a big part of some of these earlier 9-11 conspiracy theories that have been forgotten to time this isn't one that a lot of people trot out anymore and Alex probably doesn't even remember I propose we shorten it to Winnie

fine at times it's an FBI thing at times it's a national security document but it's always meant to emanate from the president the idea is that Winnie is a presidential directive saying that all investigations needed to leave the bin Laden's alone the implication

being that the Bush's family ties to the bin Laden's made them negligent or that Bush was trying to make sure that no one uncovered the 9-11 plot before it could be carried out right Alex ever the storyteller would exaggerate this in his book Descented to Tyranny saying that it told quote FBI agents

as well as defense intelligence officers that if they tried to stop Al Qaeda they would be arrested under national security implications basically this is a document that's used to explain why the plot wasn't uncovered within the conspiracy narrative world view right but it's also bullshit the document itself

is from 1996 so Bush has nothing to do with it and there's no reason to even assume that Clinton did either it's a narrow FBI document reflecting a closing of an investigation into one of Osama's family members Abdullah bin Laden who was under scrutiny because of his association with the

World Assembly of Muslim youth the document itself doesn't even reflect an order to not investigate Abdullah it just it says that the case that was involved it opened in February 1996 and it closed that September so they were saying no whammies right no Winnie's no whammies

the implication that this relates to an order to not investigate bin Laden family members or folks from Saudi Arabia comes from Greg Palast's coverage of the document where he claimed that unnamed sources told him that some unspecified cases were

quote shut down for political reasons but nothing further is established and it's just you know you take that grain of something that is un sourced specifically from Greg Palast and Alex will exaggerate from there into it being like all terrorism

if you try and stop it will arrest you bullshit yeah so if I understand correctly the evidence is un sourced unspecified sources unnamed sources giving a third hand account of what may have happened that they

don't know and what is an actual like FBI document yeah that is about the closing of an investigation into one of bin Laden's family I mean if I remember am I wrong weren't the bin Laden's richest fuck like they were connected to all kinds of rich people

and shit yeah construction enterprises Saudi Arabia and what they had all kinds of connections yeah and look it's um I don't know some people might think it's naive to think that oh it just be because you're in the family doesn't mean

that you have connection with the person who ends up being a terrorist but maybe they don't you know maybe it's not involved at all yeah I mean there's a whole side of my family I haven't spoken to in 20 years they could have been January 6th they could have been in jail they fucking could have I didn't even think about that

the relationship between the Bush family and the bin Laden family is interesting but what is not is this W1999 in my estimation it's a complete zero but for Alex it's a cool specific sounding document number so that explains everything that he needs it to explain

just trot it out just like he has his favorite subsection just throw these things out to blind people with the fake specificity yeah and it is kind of fun to say W1999 whenever you're talking about a conspiracy yeah yeah I don't I don't begrudge that no no no

that's that's pretty solid I would enjoy talking about a document with a name like that as though I had an idea of what it said yeah yeah you should start okay say it has something to do with tennis so Alex is the fake racist statistic to throw out

sure sure I want to go over criminal aliens abound in the US from the washington times how they are the crime wave then world met daily chiefs of police border security a sham organization claims lacks federal policies causing murder of cops

oh I just happen to have the numbers here from the washington times federal numbers did you know that over a third of the cops being killed or been killed by illegal aliens cops I don't care what your superiors tell you you need to get these criminals off the streets damn that statistic

that one third of the cops who are killed or killed by undocumented immigrants is not in that washington times article that Alex is covering he's made up that stat the only time murder is even mentioned in that article it's in this sense quote according to figures from 2002 from the former

INS and from ICE more than 375,000 known illegal aliens have been ordered deported but have disappeared pending immigration hearings washington area sniper lee boyd malva was one such alien right so he murdered I remember that yeah I remember that part it's a long

long walk from what the article says to what Alex is pitching the website officer down memorial keeps track and honors the memory of law enforcement officers who have died in the line of duty sure in 2002 there were 161 deaths of police on duty

one third of that would have to be about like 54 of them were killed by undocumented immigrants that's wild that's a lot only 57 total police in the US died from gunfire that year and it seems difficult to imagine essentially all of them were immigrants

doing the shooting sure sure so the so what we're saying is that obviously illegal immigrants are not doing all of the shootings they choose poison right so they are they've got like little bits of cyanide that would have been reflected

they put it in coffee there's no poisoning stats all right a number of car accidents a number of medical things other accidents great you know it is unfortunate but it's you know like when you think about it's not always a hostile murder

yeah it is it is it is unfortunate you know I decided that I was going to go through the shootings just to see get a sense of like what the circumstances that surrounded them were yeah and some of them were you know like a cop was trying to stop a robbery at a store sure like that's real fucking sad

yeah but I didn't find any that were done by undocumented immigrants I didn't go through all of them because I got bummed out at a certain point well yeah how could you not I can't keep going all these people dying for property yeah but I did find though one case that was of Andrew Mikkel that year

who murdered officer Daniel I'm sorry David Mobelio in cold blood while Mobelio was filling up his tank at a gas station damn so this guy Andrew Mikkel just shot this cop just walked up Blamo and then walked back Mikkel left a Gadsden flag next to

the murdered man I was when you said his politics when you said Mikkel I kind of thought Mikkel would end up being caught about a week later after he posted online quote hello everyone my name is Andy I killed a police officer in red bluff California in a motion to bring attention to

and halt the police state tactics that have come to be used throughout our country sounds weirdly familiar yeah Alex has made up a terrifying statistic meant to direct the audience's fear hate and distrust towards a vulnerable population that Alex doesn't like and which he uses as a political scapegoat further

he's claiming that some source backs up his claims when in fact he's just reading headlines in a nutty ass right wing publication for articles he hasn't even skimmed this is what he does this is what he's done yeah I just you know I don't think that an argument should last 20 years

you know like if your argument is all the borders are collapsing and that's where the country you know all that stuff like that can't last for 20 years yeah it just can't no we can't have an argument last that long we need an argument to last at most two or three years max the only kind of argument you can really have

that last 20 years is like free will or not yeah yeah these these endless and honestly that argument shouldn't even be had that argument should take a half hour is it real or not who cares what if I have the free will to make it last 45 minutes yeah what if you don't

who cares all right so I got excited because I thought Alex was about to do a movie review here because he brings up supersize me oh but then it ends in a real disappointment let me just read part of this New York Post article because this dovetails but what I'm about to do New York Post

yesterday last February Morgan Spurlock decided to become a gastronomical guinea pig his mission to eat three meals a day for 30 days at McDonald's and document the impact on his health scores of cheeseburgers, hundreds of fries

and dozens of chocolate shakes later the formerly strapping 6-2 New Yorker who started out a healthy 185 pounds had packed on 25 pounds but his supersize shape was the least of his problems in a few days at the beginning the drive-thru diet Spurlock 33 was vomiting

out the window his car this was all documented for documentary and doctors examined him were shocked at how rapidly Spurlock's entire body deteriorated it was really crazy my body basically fell apart over the course of 30 days Spurlock told the Post his liver became toxic his cholesterol shot up from 165 to

230 his libido flagged and he suffered headaches and depression Spurlock charted his journey from the fit to flab the tongue-in-cheek documentary which he's released at the Sundance Film Festival the hopes of getting distribution deal will cover more of it in the next hour

but that dovetails into the next five minutes with Debbie Morrow my good friend and new millennium concepts not just the food Debbie which has been keeping me going all these years I mean I get sick maybe once a year is that I don't drink tap water

just water sponsor I thought I was going to get a nice review of supersize meat some weird thoughts that Alex has because he probably couldn't like Morgan Spurlock but at the same time he doesn't like McDonald's and that kind of stuff so I feel like he'd be trapped kind of

for his perspective then it turns out just to be a way to pivot into like a sponsored content fucking nonsense see look at this guy eating McDonald's hurting his body I don't drink tap water that's because I got good water filters

what? okay I was making myself laugh quite a bit because I was like this lady has no chops she doesn't have any showmanship she doesn't belong on air but then I was like why am I being so mean she's like the secretary there

there's no reason for her to be on air that's her choice they're just doing that I don't know she seems like a nice lady she probably didn't like break into her boss's office kicking the door open like I'm doing the radio spot today boss yeah but it was disappointing

yeah the 2004 election is happening sure it's gearing up how did it go? well at this point we are now in a position where I think a lot of people understand that Kerry is probably going to be the nomination for the Democrats and Bush

of course incumbent so you kind of know where this is going sure it's going to be a skull and bones affair so we're going to get a lot of skull and bones talk for the next months I'm sure sounds about right but here is a caller asking Alex about the election and this is my guy this is not the caller

this is when Alex was like alright man yeah you have a brand Jay in Colorado go ahead Jay hi Alex I wanted to ask you about the November election really like who are you going to vote for let's be honest there is

there is no let's be honest there is no presidential election and I can prove that from multiple directions everybody you're given a choice of is controlled it's the oldest scam in the book I control the choices in a certain paradigm

that I give you a choice from within that controlled outcome you understand sure so it doesn't matter if it's Howard Dean or John Kerry he's skull and bones or George W. Bush or Bill Clinton or Al Gore or the Easter Bunny it's all the same agenda yep so that's where he

should be yeah that's where you live man that's the idea yeah that's where things are I mean that is but that's the job opportunity he took you know like when you talk about where his whole thing came from like the reason that he

became so popular is because there is a thirst for a voice to be screaming this shit at people because they've watched the transition from Clinton to Bush the transition from Bush to Clinton and they've been like this is the same fucking shit nothing different happened nobody

had any new ideas everybody was like hey NAFTA's a great idea and then you know like it was it was nuts of course they needed somebody to be like look at all of these assholes get rid of all of them yeah and I think that Alex can appeal to people on that level and he speaks to people that he

probably shouldn't speak to because of this like electoralism is a dead end any choice you have isn't a choice it's been made for you in advance that's what he should be he shouldn't be doing this bullshit now where he's talking about DeSantis yeah that's awful get out of here man

he should be like there's no difference between Trump and DeSantis he ruined that though by his whole 2016 affair like it's he can't go back it's just brutal he can't go back and be like that was the one election that mattered and that's why I acted that way it does get real sad after that yeah what you can do yeah

that was the one election that mattered and it turned out it didn't matter either yeah yeah that's brutal so like I said 28th we're just gonna skip over and we jump in here on the 29th and I hear a little bird calling me alright big show lined up for you today

you know back in early 2002 there's a lot of people in the Bush administration that have second homes in Austin and I got it directly from someone let's just say very close to the administration that

bin Laden died naturally of kidney failure when in early 2002 oh I was hoping for before not 11 bin Laden that was literally on ice to be rolled out right before

the election this is Steve yeah this is 100% Steve that's a big swing that's a Steve swing I don't know about the part about second homes in Texas but Alex's first interview with Steve was in April 2002 so that is in the time frame that he's

talking about yep and Steve was almost certainly pretending to be close to the Bush administration why not he's he was involved with the Bush HW HW Bush so I wouldn't he's close to every president I was gonna say yeah he's claimed to be close to literally everything

yes he is the global spider at the at the traveling along the web depending on where the strings move I hate to feel like I'm one of these like I don't know I've never seen the movie the number 23 sure Jim Carrey movie where he's the number 23 everywhere I hate to be

like that and see Steve everywhere sure but I see Steve this is Steve yeah there might as well be a cardboard cut out of Steve that Alex has his face in and it makes me hope he's around the corner somewhere he's got to be there bring Steve I know that's the only investigation now that really matters where's the

Cheney it's not really an investigation even it's a hope yeah yeah yeah obviously it's not an investigation we already know where his first interview was right and guess what April 24th 2002 my birthday happy birthday here's Steve so yeah bin Laden long dead

all right US forces going after bin Laden sources planned operation into Pakistan seeks to destroy al Qaeda now I was told by someone let's just say very close

inside the administration somebody's been on Air Force One and heard the giggling jokes about it that bin Laden is dead died of kidney failure and his family gets all the big base contracts and satellite contracts and weapons

contracts for the US military over there and they're on the car law group and their payment for having their son by the part of the bad guy he was being CIA since the mid 70s at least his code name Tim Osmond that's publicly admitted publicly admitted publicly admitted did you know

that no they've been the bin Laden's name is Tim Osmond no one has admitted that to me I haven't heard Alex admit that yeah that was weird yeah that's a strange thing yeah that one's new so the conspiracy theory that bin Laden was actually a CIA agent named Tim Osmond traces back to a 2001

article posted in an outlet called the laissez faire city times this is a convoluted and bizarre story so I'm gonna do my best just to lay it out as plainly as possible okay this has to do with Ted Gunderson the FBI agent turned conspiracy lunatic who is part of the McMartin preschool hysteria

and a major driver of the satanic panic in the 90s not enough people no they're all over the place everyone keep popping up in 1986 he claims that he and this guy named I'm gonna stumble with his last name but it's a Michael Recony scutio

Rico no scuto that's what I'm gonna go with that sounds good he claims that him and this guy Michael who would go who end up going to jail for 20 years on a methamphetamine production and trafficking charge just five years later sure so the two of them met with

representatives of the Mujahideen at a Hilton hotel in Sherman Oaks, California okay okay I'm understanding that right now someone's resume went from meeting with the Mujahideen to a meth

producer and his resume is even wilder than you can imagine see that's kind of what we're talking about well there's no straight line between those two no so here this Michael guy he also dabbled in arms dealings see there we go so that's why he was there because of his weapons stuff for the Mujahideen

sure but from the article I have no idea what Gundersen was doing there my suspicion is there isn't a good explanation for why he was there because it's all made up yeah apparently the two Mujahideen reps were a white guy named Ralph Alberg and Tim Osman who is secretly Osama bin Laden okay they were over here just hanging out touring

there's also a side plot about how this Michael guy had figured out how to defy physics and create really tiny nukes we have we that that was in there yeah really tiny nukes okay meanwhile a shady company called bio rad corporation had quote taken over hercules california and were developing race specific

bio weapons that's not very rad at all it's honestly a whole lot yeah I'm not sure I'm gonna sign off on Alex's assessment that this has been proven or admitted I don't know I mean if there were really tiny nukes that would be a game changer that would be a game changer so small

imagine how many tiny little nuclear explosions we'd have all the I mean I would use those instead of a smoke bomb the way they put it in the article it was that they made suitcase nukes irrelevant okay all right yeah I don't think this is proven or admitted

I'm gonna say at best there's a really sus story that claims this thing titled by people who have taught me by the way of their actions to not trust the things they say yeah so I don't think this is yeah I mean so okay how does he get to meth producer

I want to I want to know where meth lab jumps in here here's what's interesting about this yeah he ends up doing quite a bit of time but he claims that this lab that he had on his property was actually about him like mining for platinum or something see that's where yeah that makes sense

to me yeah but you remember there's that that episode about the guy who made a sluice yeah no I mean that it was all about that that was true I mean that's maybe that's my problem maybe I'm going the wrong direction there is a straight line from meth producer

to lying about having been in a room with Ted Gunderson and the Mujahideen and creating really tiny news yes that is a straight line yeah I had it backwards I'm chicken and egging this in the wrong direction it's possible you are yeah yeah so I told you wrestling would come up

and here's where it does okay Alex isn't a mood he's not feeling great he's bummed out he's pissed off that everyone's so dumb yeah they're so dumb that they think wrestling is real and Alex needs to complain about this for quite a while hopefully I mean WWF wrestling

and to show the mind control every time I say WWF wrestling is fake I get threatening emails I've even gotten calls going how dare you say it's not real oh yes it's real uh I've been watching since

the Von Erics were done and that's real it's all real and there was outrage when Rowdy Piper a few months ago said it's all fake and went public as if we needed someone to go public

and you're going what are you talking about professional wrestling well professional wrestling is staged they train for hours every week for the production the show the play

that they're going to put on alright I mean in the real world if you hit somebody 50 times in the face and drop them on their head their their neck breaks believe me folks I punch somebody once and they've been in a coma for three weeks okay you know I'm not saying I'm a tough guy

that's why I will not get in fights but you know the last two fights I got in I punch somebody a couple times and they'd be in the hospital on a breathing apparatus for a few weeks

these giant steroid 280 pound people pounding them in the face over and over again body slamming their head slamming them from the ropes and you idiots and I'm not talking to my listeners but the few out there that don't understand you're the same folks that think you're a conservative

you will threaten me and send me emails going it's real it's real it's real oh yeah folks I've been in a 30 second fight and ended up having my leg broken before I mean it's the problem with America is most of you never been in a real

fight either we just got a domesticated jellyfish population Alex is exposing the business is that a problem so the whole idea behind this is essentially him saying that like the political like the election is

staged you know it's like wrestling two people pretending to fight but they're not actually you know fighting each other it's choreographed and what have you but he gets lost in this insulting a fraction of his audience that thinks wrestling is real and it goes on for quite a while

he really seems to be upset about his audience being dumb on this episode yeah I mean and it's like he seems very impressed with himself for being able to see through yeah I mean I'm not

listen I don't remember the era where people did argue about whether or not it was real or quote unquote fake you know I don't remember that time period right I don't think we were alive really for the heyday and for the genuine feeling behind it you know like

when I was growing up the is it real or fake thing was like not is the staging real or fake because obviously it's fake you can't do some of those things you can't do some of those things right but the question was like

is the pain and is the hitting real and that kind of stuff or were they doing this this choreography you know that was what I remember growing up I think for me as a child it was one of my earliest awareness of wrestling because my parents wouldn't let me watch it so

it came into my life through a friend who watched it and it was around the time of the Attitude Era Monday Night Wars yeah Goldberg and yeah so there was there was an added element of weirdness to kayfabe at that point because there was a like

the whole thing with the NWO with Hulk Hogan and Scott Hall and Kevin Nash and Scott Hall showed up in WCW and they pretended that they were invading from the WWF right and so there was this weird thing of like they seem to be

causing a lot of trouble you know like and I was eleven or twelve sure sure yeah yeah that's the point yeah that's what wrestling is for so the kayfabe of the like storyline and stuff was was fairly confusing on that aspect but yeah it was a child and

pretty easily came to understand from watching it just some things from a physics perspective don't work yeah but but yeah the thing that I want to point to though here with Alex is that he's trying to

in theory make a metaphor about the political system being like wrestling right but he's not doing that no in in in actuality he's complaining about wrestling yes and some of his audience not knowing that wrestling is is famous yes yeah and that's weird because he left the part

about where he wants everybody to know that the politics is theater and then got really focused on the personal issue that some people get mad at him for telling them that wrestling is fake he gets lost very easily and that's that's weird yeah the focus should have been like I'm mad that people

aren't awake for the government not like oh swear to god if somebody tells me that wrestling is real again I'm gonna be furious like no remember that the politics I don't know something like that yeah yeah um anti I mean he complains a bunch more about rest of course but

before he does he complains about how his audience don't know the how radios were rome man believe that's real and some people say well how could it be staged in the presidential election you know how could that happen hey that's impossible yeah we've got a country that

believes that wrestling is real and I guess this was built into our minds in John Lane movies where John Lane would punch somebody 45 times in a bar and they just have a bloody nose he punched somebody 45 times

they will die guaranteed if you're really punching somebody again it's all false reality people don't know most people don't think about how food gets to the grocery store how they hear radio shows

I get questions all the time by people well how do I I've been listening to you on Austin on radio and I I heard you in another city a thousand miles away do you how do you go do you live there too and these are people with businesses

and families and I go satellite satellites people don't think how things work they don't know how many continents there are they don't know where Iraq is they don't know what what the Bill of Rights they don't know anything they're just mindless idiots and I'm starting to realize this

more and more and it just scares me to death who are you talking to I have no idea you're on the radio in another city do you live there to what I mean here's what here's what I see here's what I see this conversation

being somebody is trying to have a polite little small talk conversation with him of like oh you know I kind of don't really know how radio works like you know I can hear you simultaneously in another city doing something that very well might be

it's just as likely it's someone who's been lost in the woods since the days of Marconi it's just like what is this magical technology how do they fit the little man in there what are you saying it must be a time travel yeah it's crazy

it's 2004 this doesn't speak highly of the people he associates with also did we have a world star back then most people knew how a fight really kind of went right so Alex is take some calls he's in a bad mood and still is complaining about wrestling

I don't want to get off into a rant here I'm in kind of a bad mood today you might have picked up on that I did let's go ahead and talk to Ralph in Tennessee Ralph go ahead hey how you doing Alex well I'm a conspiracy theorist because I say professional wrestling is fake

what a lame professional wrestling is nothing but a joke it's all it is it's just all rigged it's a joke it's uh they know who's gonna win who's gonna lose it's a big bile pal no it's not liberal oh boy it's fun

what is going on sometimes telling fantasy stories is fun Alex Alex doesn't like fun we the Lord of the Rings came out at the same time are you gonna be like ah they knew it Frodo was gonna drop it in there ah come on

uh that's just Andy circus it's all staged that's not even gollum so we got some more wrestling talk with another caller and uh something comes up about Carrie here that I thought was pretty interesting John and mash go ahead yeah I just got a couple

questions um as far as John Kerry goes with his whole sculling bone connection let's call him Hulk Hogan and Bush is the Undertaker let's just start calling him a professional wrestler or he's uh

he's uh oh who's the guy that says stepping to a slim gen or the uh I haven't watched that yet I'm trying to think of a professional wrestler cause that's the mentality basically I was just gonna say what do you make

I know he has this elite connection with the sculling bone secret society thing but what do you make of his tour of duty in Vietnam let's just say he's not a coward he didn't um run off with a bottle of Jack Daniels and cocaine AWOL for a year and a half

from the Texas National Guard cause I just found it interesting that he had that connection but yet he still did that tour of duty well I mean in the past the elite did send their sons off the war George Sr. did that, did mail out on his crew

and then there was big talk on the carrier that he'd be court-martialed but of course he wasn't so the swift boating hasn't gone around yet Alex hasn't gotten that memo also you know who else served our country honorably Bonesaw characters that Macho Man right inside had played

I was legitimately going to bring up Bonesaw I was like does he think Bonesaw is real cause Spider-Man didn't actually defeat him in a fair fight that's not true, it wasn't a fair fight it wasn't a fair fight Bonesaw couldn't jump on the walls

oh yeah Bonesaw is real I think that in this case the cream does not rise to the top Alex doesn't remember Macho Man Randy Savage I mean that's terrible

wrestling casting even at the time you should know better that Carrie and Bush are not Bush is not Undertaker Carrie is not terrible I thought you meant casting Macho Man as Bonesaw no that was great casting that's maybe one of the best parts of that movie

yeah I don't know I think Alex is just pulling at straws but it is fascinating to me that he is trying to score points against Bush's a wall service by saying at least Carrie served and everyone has to know that in a very short order

Jerome Corsi and Associated of Alex's will start pushing a lot of the Swift Boat stuff so I think we'll see that develop even if we continue down this path in 2004 that'll be interesting, I don't remember actively the way that the Swift Boating happened, I can only think of it

as the strategy that go for their strength kind of thing instead of fighting their weakness so it'll be interesting to see that turn yeah I'll be interested to hear the narratives again I bet there's way more than we even realized there's the picture of

the smearing of Carrie that we all kind of remember in a vague sense but I bet there's a hundred different side shoots that went nowhere so we get another caller and this guy found a kindred spirit in Alex and then he has a critique of John Carrie

that I think is a little bit dumb Malcolm, where are you calling us from? Good morning, I'm Richmond Park, Illinois. Alright, good to talk to you. Yeah, I'm a new listener, I've been listening for a while, all of two weeks and I've already got four or five of my friends listening to you.

Thank you. That's a good feeling to find out that you're not alone that you're not nuts because when I have been researching these type of things in New World Order for about the last 15 years at least and when I try to talk to people about it, they tell me how nuts you read too many books

or you've got too many thoughts running around in your head. Yeah, I've heard that. You read too many books. Oh, we got a reader boy, this is bad. I've even been told I'm going to run myself nuts by having too many thoughts running around in my brain, you know.

Buddy. But this guy, Carrie is the strangest looking person I've ever seen. He reminds me of someone in one of these sci-fi horror flicks where they have a human alien hybrid.

He's just a strange looking guy. Well, they're all in bread. You may have had too many thoughts. Okay. So he looks like a... He looks weird. Is the criticism that he may be a human alien hybrid or is it that he just looks like he could

be a human alien hybrid? It's not developed. I would suspect that it is possible. He's saying that it is possible that he's a human alien hybrid. Sure. But as direct as the criticism ever gets is like, John Kerry guy looks weird. I mean, I suppose like what? I'd say his head is

slightly larger in proportion maybe. Is that what you would say? Is that why you would go with alien human hybrid? Cause I think he looks like a normal guy. Looks normal enough to me. Yeah. Although I do love the idea of like... Wait, are you a human alien hybrid? We gotta move on. Okay. I

like the idea of like some other show that takes itself seriously with the color like being like, oh man, I've been researching the New World Order forever and people say that I read too much and this person looks weird. All right.

He's got too many thoughts in my head. So the same caller we get back to wrestling. Coming back. Well Malcolm, I mean looking at this election, is it not WWF wrestling? Listen, my son is 32 years old

you still believe that that's for real and we have these arguments about so now I just laugh at him. I don't even contend with him anymore and I said anytime you get a man that weighs 350 pounds, jump up and down in the face of another man and the guy

gets up and shakes it off and throws him out of the ring, you're gonna tell me you don't know that that's so fake, you know? I guess your son's never been a knockdown drughouse. Effortlessly not. I know he used to fight coming up as a kid. I guess that's a good thing for him but

I mean. So we kind of got off track again. Yeah. Cause Alex is trying to talk about the metaphor of the election being like wrestling. Right. And the guy's like oh my 32 year old son still thinks it's real. I bet he doesn't. No. I bet the dad just thinks that he does because the son still

likes wrestling. Right. And that's the way that the dad rationalizes that like you're watching this crap. Yeah, the only way you could like this is if you thought it was a real sport. Right. You can't possibly like this because it is a theater production. I'm not in kayfabe so I don't understand it from the

outside. Right. Anyway not productive. Nope. Not a whole lot going on. So that guy's point was Carrie looks weird and my son doesn't know that wrestling's fake. More or less. Yeah. Wow. We got a reader here. Big time. Save one last clip here Jordan. Yeah.

And like I said, this was really funny to me. This was great. And it's a continuation of something from our last 2004 episode that is frustrating Alex to no end. Dave, go ahead Dave. Where are you calling us from? Hey Alex Michigan here. Welcome. Go ahead.

Yeah, I was looking in my encyclopedia of film and the movie I came up with the 1914 Tyrone Power movie called aristocracy. This is another movie so we're talking about. What's not the same movie? No. In my book it shows that was

the first movie he was ever in. We're not talking about this individual. It's some reason we talk about this Italian movie showing Moloch worship and then it turns into this Tyrone Power character. Totally separate. What's on your mind, sir? Yeah. I'll tell you what's on his mind.

I love the idea that hopefully for like the next weeks people just keep calling him and telling him. This is now like spiraling out of control. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It started with a caller who said that he saw this movie from 1915. This Italian silent movie. Yeah.

The head Moloch worship and what have you. And Alex wanted a copy. Another guy calls in and he's talking about a Tyrone Powers movie. I think that's the name. I don't know. I don't know film. Could be. And so it's the wrong movie. Yeah. But Alex is like he listens to him for too long before they realize it's the wrong movie. Right.

So this caller is calling in with another movie starring that guy. It might be the right movie. The same actor. Yeah. So good. It's like if IMDb was calling you. Yeah. Like is this the actor you were looking for. It's so great. What are these most notable roles. Yeah.

Like in terms of things that are really funny about Alex. Like these clips that get posted online. Yeah. There's a cheap funniness to it. Sure. But the real rich dense funny. You can only find by going through this and listening to Alex's frustration

at people bringing up Italian movies from the 1910s. Yeah. You're just not going to cut. You can't cut that into a clip for Twitter or something because that requires you to do something that no InfoLawr's listener can do. Which is follow along with the story over

a great length of time. Yeah. There's a lot of context. Or you have to you have to. I mean I guess you have to follow along with the story for a long time and then slowly collect these clips. So later on you can have a supercut. Or you have to remember that they happen.

Yeah. There's no way to do that unless you're I don't know you. Yeah. So we come to the end of this Jordan. And I'm not sure we learned anything too impactful except for that Tim Osmond is Osama Bin Laden. Sure. And that Alex doesn't know about swift boating yet.

I feel like you're here's what I'm saying about the Tim Osmond. OK. You've got a better story if it's an anagram of Osama Bin Laden. Yeah. That's the story is that if you rearrange the letters then you get Osama Bin Laden. That's how you do it. You know you're going to have to work better.

Yeah. Yeah. Punch up. Punch up again. You got to work with the materials that you got. That's fair. Tiny nuke guy Ted Anderson did what they did and they got what they got. Yeah. So I hope you've had a good trip by this point because it'll be the end of your trip by the end of this episode comes out.

We'll be back. Yeah. I'll see you when you get back. But until then we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledge fight dot com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's that knowledge underscore fights. What's going on? Hold on. What?

What are they do? Well you know what, ah and now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. It's my first time calling.