Knowledge Fight - #805: February 16, 2004

Episode Date: May 8, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan dip to the past to see some "Classic Alex."  In this installment, Alex welcomes a bigot/father of a celebrity back to the show, and spends a whole lot of time complaining about a Presbyterian pastor he tricked into an interview.

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bright spot today, buddy? My bright spot today, Jordan is, you know, I like those mini blocks. Those like little mini Legos and stuff. I have a fish in an Easter Island head. Of course. A bonsai tree that I've made. I decided, you know, it's May. It's time to up the up the game, right? As everyone does in May. Yes, I decided to treat myself to one that I saw that was a Horizon Zero Dawn themed mini Lego kit and it's a 1200 piece tall neck. That's so cool. That looks really cool. Well, the box just came and so I haven't been able to build it yet or even start working on it, but I'm very excited. I love it. It's a very it's kind of a soothing thing. Sure. Which is nice to have. Now you don't have any buttons,

so you got to put something together. Right. Yeah, right. Yeah. And you kind of got a focus and the pieces are little tiny things. Sure. And yeah, so it's fun. I didn't know they made a Horizon Lego thing, which is pretty neat. That's really cool. Yeah, neat licensed. Yeah. It seems like I don't know. I don't think that Horizon's a small game or anything. Right. But it doesn't seem like the first tier that Lego would go with to license. Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. But I mean, the designs are really cool. The Horizon design work is just so distinctive and unique that it's like, yeah, I would grab that just because if there were no game, that's a fucking cool Lego thing, you know. And I think a lot of

the robots or the machines do lend themselves to a Lego form. Absolutely. Transformer ass machine things. Yeah. So anyway, my bright spot is I'm excited to get down to to work on that and see how long it takes. Probably quite a while. It probably could be a hundred piece tall neck. That's a lot. Yeah. What's your bright spot? My bright spot, Dan, is a while back. My wife and I while back. Oh, while back. My wife and I were having this conversation because I had gotten her flowers for one of the holidays or whatever. Right. And I was like, why haven't you ever gotten me flowers? And she it just never occurred to her. Sure. Because of gender norms. Right. Right. And it's like, I've got tattoos of

flowers on me. Of course, I'd love some flowers. Right. That'd be cool. They smell great. They brighten up the room. Okay. They're fresh. You should get some mini Legos of flowers. That would be cool. Can't smell them though. They have to be scratching. You can spray them with something. That's a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. Or put a diffuser right in the middle of them. Now we're figuring things out. Right. And they don't die. Yeah. So so yeah. So it's my birthday and she surprised me with some flowers and it was a very, very cool. They're these bright red, orange, yellow. It's great. That's very sweet. Yeah. They smell great. It's fantastic. Also happy birthday. Yeah. Thank you. Didn't want to. No, no, no, no.

Not my pick. No, no, no. See, we have different agenda, not agendas, but we have different approaches to it. You're pretty me about your birthday. Whereas I have more of a, hey, you know, I don't want people to go crazy for my birthday or people to pay attention to me or anything. Sure. But I have no qualms with celebrating the passage of time. Whereas I think you have a little bit of discomfort with it. I think I think part of it is just so much of my memory has been, you know, like I have those years that are gone, you know, like all of that stuff is going on to the point where the denoting and the passage of time is always strange for me because my internal idea of how old I am. You're 12. Exactly.

And I look in the mirror and I see this monstrous old man every day. I'm dying. Is this the worst 12 year old of my life? So yeah. Well, sad birthday. So Jordan, today we're going to be taking a trip back into the past. We're going to be in 2004, back when you were three years old. Three years old. Those are the good days. Can't do the math. But yeah, we're in 2004. And we'll be talking about February 16th, 2004. Very interesting day on Alex's show. He has a guest that returns. We've seen this person before. Did we deal with Valentine's Day? And I mean, we just brought up flowers. It's February 16th in 2004. What do we have for Valentine's Day content here? That's what I'm interested in now. Now this is all

flowers. Not much. It was there was a little bit of a no man's land between what we covered on our last episode and this there was a skull and bones talk. Just a lot of that, I guess. I don't know. I'm trying to like find things to to hang a hat on. And it's tough. I get it. There's not a whole lot going on. Well, if there were, we would do an episode about it. Probably. So we'll get down to business on this adventure into 2004. But before we do, let's say hello, Jordan, to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, I love this show, but I have to remember not to laugh at the human animal chimeras. Lots of love and appreciation from Zach Canuck in Japan. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Yeah, don't laugh at the human animal chimeras who have sad fish. They're fish with sad human eyes. Yeah, fish human eyes. Not funny. No. Next. Hey, Axel, we take those courtesy of Mulligan golf. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Sorry. I felt like I was missing a word there, but I'm not. Maybe that's why there's an ellipsis in the middle of it. Ah, yes. Next. I've been a policy walk for two years and never got my shout out. Either way, my name is Rupesh and it means I look like God. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Kyle. Globalists can't dink

for shit. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Ian and Ollie. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. Four stars. Don't honk your mouth and tell it you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayne sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you. Yes. Thank you very much. I've been airing a little bit on the side of playing that older one drop and I realized like it's been a while since I've made a new technocrat drop. I might

need to dig around in the crates and see if I can find some fun. Yeah, you know, it's been, it's been a long time with that technocrat drop. We've been awful busy. Well, we had the, no, because we had the one we quits a bunch. Sure. Maybe that one's too long. Maybe that's why they don't play that as much. That could be it. So yeah, I'll see about that. Make a new technocrat drop. It's a big boy pants. Yeah. Indeed. So we started off here on the 16th and Alex, like I said, he has a guest coming back big time. Yeah. Big time guests. Huge. Well, what father of big time? Oh, God, the hour of the show. I've got Hutton Gibson coming back on a few weeks ago and an hour wasn't enough time to, uh, well, go

over the state of affairs in the world and Hutton Gibson is an expert. He's been exposing it for decades on the takeover of the Roman Catholic Church by the forces of the New World Order. We'll be talking about that and other issues in the third hour today. Very exciting. So Hutton Gibson is not so much an expert on issues related to the Catholic Church as much as he is an extremist against the Catholic Church Post Second Vatican Council. Sure. He's among the many anti-Semites who have very serious problems with some of the changes that the council made regarding Church doctrine. One of the large issues that folks like Hutton have, uh, uh, has, it's involved with the Nostra atti, atti, uh, document, which among

other things specifically condemned the charges of deicide, which people have levied against Jewish people, which is the accusation that Jews bear the responsibility for killing the Christian savior. Right. In that declaration, it said, quote, it is true that the church is the new people of God, yet the Jews should not be spoken of as rejected or accursed as if this follows from Holy scripture and went on to say, quote, the church reproves every form of persecution against whosoever it may be directed, remembering then its common heritage with the Jews and moved, uh, not by any political consideration, but solely by religious motivation of Christian charity. It deplores all hatreds, persecutions, displays of anti-Semitism directed

against the Jews at any time or from any source. This is why Hutton Gibson said that Vatican II is quote, a Masonic plot backed by the Jews. These are the words of someone who Alex is presenting to his audience as an expert, and they're really only two possible explanations. Either this is the kind of rhetoric Alex wants to promote, or he's so desperate to be in the proximity of someone who's related to a celebrity that he'll launder this kind of extreme anti-Semitism in order to make that association. Yeah. And I don't care which it is. Yeah, I, uh, I'm just not going to be, I'm not going to be compelled by the evidence of the father of a movie star who just hates Catholics for not being anti-Semitic

enough. I don't know what evidence on any topic he could present, like on what fast food is better if he presented evidence of it like, I can't trust you because you're too anti-Semitic for just fucking a McDouble. Yeah. And I guess I'm not an expert enough on these issues, but I could see possibly somebody having a problem with the Second Vatican Council that wasn't rooted in feelings of anti-Semitism. I think that that's possible. I'm not sure exactly. I don't know enough about Catholicism to know where that would come from, but I'm willing to believe that. However, with Hutton Gibson, I'm not considering his numerous thoughts about how the Holocaust didn't happen. Right. I'm going to go ahead

and say, uh, you don't get a pass. You don't get, you don't get the charity of like, Oh, it's just some kind of a doctrinal difference or something. No, no, no, no. No, no, that's that. That is the nice thing about Catholicism. Right. Is that if it, even if it's not anti-Semitic, you can find an absurd small thing to argue about and willing to die for because it's, it's the Bible, you know, like, Hey, what are you talking about? Beaver is a fish on Fridays. I'm telling you this right now because I want to eat it and I'm the Pope. You want to eat a beaver? Okay. A beaver is technically a fish in Catholicism because the Pope wanted to eat a beaver one time. He was like, well, I can't eat it. I guess it's a fish now.

Oh yeah. Hey, so that's how it works. All right. Yeah, I'm down. They do what they do. So, uh, Mel Gibson, son of Hutton, was on Diane Sawyer and apparently Hutton gave Alex some background behind the scenes info. All right. By the way, I talked to Hutton Gibson yesterday for about 30 minutes and, uh, let's just say this, you're going to want to watch Mel Gibson on Diane Sawyer's, uh, primetime ABC tonight at 10 o'clock Eastern nine o'clock central. We're not going to steal Mel Gibson's thunder. I mean, Hutton told me about what Mel said in the interview, but we're not going to steal his thunder here on the show and tell you what he said. In fact, they interviewed Mel for over three and a half hours. Hutton

said, and it's only a 30 minute, uh, piece and you take the ads out. It's probably even shorter than that. Uh, but if they don't include what Mel said, and I mean, this is bombshell stuff, uh, Ian, this, uh, Diane Sawyer CFR piece, uh, believe me, you're going to hear about it on this show tomorrow because, um, we're not going to let him get away with the normal activities. Diane Sawyer, of course, is pure new world order. One of the biggest gun grabbers in Washington. And, uh, she's a member of the council. I'm fine. I'm telling what they'll do with this piece tonight, but I'm going to be up late, uh, up late working on a new film. So I'm going to tape it and watch it when I get home after midnight tonight.

But, uh, so if they edit out the key stuff Mel was saying in this interview, we'll tell you about it tomorrow. So this is essentially a tease for our next 2004 episode, right? Because I don't know, we don't know what's on the, I don't know what happened in the Diane Sawyer interview and I don't know what Hutton Gibson had to say. And so we'll have to tune in to Alex's show on the 17th. All right. I like it to, uh, to find out, but that's a matter for another day when he complains because I told me that Mel said, Hyal Hitler and they did not play it on the interview. I'm going to guess it's something about, uh, railing on the new world order or something. It's definitely. Um, but Hutton Gibson is

not today's only guest. Oh, so I've discussed how one of my favorite genres of Alex shows are when he has a neocon on that he's going to, he's preparing to humiliate. He's going to take them down a peg. I love those. Now, the least favorite genre and that is when Alex tricks someone into coming on the show, who is not all over North or Ann Coulter and they have no idea who this guy is and they think that they're coming in for a good faith interview, a regular old about something. Yeah. And that happens here. Uh, Alex reads a story about a preacher. Oh no. And then, uh, he has been tricked into coming on the show. A church in Dallas, Texas wants people to show their love by giving up their guns

this Valentine's Day, which they did. The first Presbyterian church in Dallas is sponsoring a program for people to turn in their guns to mark the celebration of love. Sponsors will be given a $50 for each gun and would be glad if the cash was used to purchase candy or flowers for Valentine's Day. We're not trying to disarm Cupid of his bow and arrow, but provide another meaningful opportunity for individuals to show their affection for their families by making their home safe this Valentine's Day, said church pastor Bruce Buchanan. The church has sponsored gun buybacks before, but pastor Buchanan said he has moved the program to Valentine's Day because most of the people who turned in guns had families

and they did not want the guns in the homes. The church is aiming to buy back 150 guns. And to tell us how this went is a pastor Bruce Buchanan. Thanks for having me. So how did the gun buyback go? Well, it was very snowy and cold here in Dallas on Valentine's Day, but we held the gun buyback. This was the seventh one we've done in about three years. So as Alex was reading that story, I was like, Oh, this is a little bit like kind of cute. You know, we're just like, maybe too cute. Like we're not trying to disarm Cupid of his bow and arrow. That kind of sounds like, Oh, that's a nice PR thing or whatever. And then when he said here to talk about it, I was like, Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. That you

told me in advance made me like it is a horror movie moment where like the door is creaking up and I'm like, don't open that door, dude. Yeah. Don't open the door. Yeah. I felt really worried for this guy because I looked into him a little bit and he just seems like a great guy. Like I don't know. He does. I don't know enough about him outside of like some articles I was able to find, but he seems like just a guy who takes his faith seriously. One of the major outreaches and things he developed. It started before he was there at the first Presbyterian church, but one of the things that was his main mission in his time before he retired was their soup kitchen and their outreach to the homeless.

Yeah. And like it just seemed like he was someone who had a lot of that Christian charity within him and met well for people and to know that he's just here thinking he's going to be like just going on a radio show to talk about this gun buy bag they had and maybe their church's outreach programs and stuff. Nope. He's going to. He's talking to Alex Jones who was going to want to be addicted. Oh man. It is. It is just so much like I can imagine the movie of like the following this guy's morning, like going throughout his day. He's having a grand time. He's shaking everybody's hand waving. Hello, Mary. You do it. And there's like, Oh, I'm excited. I'm going to do this interview with this like independent

radio stuff. He's going to be so much fun. All right. Oh, he asked me how it went. Well, I'll just let you know. It was a little snowy on there. It's some tough weather. All right. Well, this is off to a great start. I bet nothing wrong will go from here. Uh oh. We had 59 rifles and handguns turned in that day. And were those by members of your church mainly? Actually, I don't believe there were any members of my church this time. There have been in previous occasions that have turned in a weapon. But this time, no, there were no church members that I was aware of. Are you a member of any gun control organization? No, I'm not. Who approached you? You said you've had seven of these over the last few

years. When did you start this? Well, in the Presbyterian Church USA, there has been for about almost 20 years now a peacemaking program in the church that's observed on the first Sunday in October. And churches are encouraged to be involved in local peacemaking efforts and for many churches that involves a supporting the domestic violence shelter or some other initiative in the community that helps in that general area. Oh, man. It's a jump scare where it's like, oh, no, this wasn't the time that the monster attacks. I got jump scared. Oh, no. Okay. All right. It was just, it was just the bathroom door closed all weird. It was just the wind. It's fine. It's fine. It's totally fine. Yeah. Yeah. This time. Yeah.

Just a decent person talking about how they're through his faith. They're called to help with domestic violence shelters and who do you work for? Well, I was in the car park beneath the church and I was approached by a man wearing a large trench coat and a hat that covered his eyes and he gave me a manila envelope that said, buy back all the guns or you die. Which globalist made you do this? Actually, it's inspired by my faith. Oh, boy. So things get a little bit pretty quick. Well, about three years ago, one of our church members suggested that we use part of that offering to sponsor buy back and that's what started it. And ever since then, it's funds from people in the community have come in. It doesn't

come from church funds to support the program and to keep it going. Funds in the community. No organizations. No organizations. Individuals. Okay. Well, Pastor Terry did send us a donation this year that's like the diocese of the Presbyterian Church, the Presbytery. Okay. Well, let me just be a pastor. I mean, we appreciate you coming on, but let me just be upfront with number one, when one of the disciples of the Garden of Gethsemane cut the ear off the Roman, Christ put it back on and said this next time. So you're cloaking by swords. But but I mean, let's elaborate on this. New York, D.C. They have gone bad. I don't remember Christ saying I'm cloaking by the way. No, I remember reading that in the gospel. You're joking, right? No,

I'm not. I can actually I've got a Bible here on the show. And let me go ahead and make your point. Okay. This guy maybe can handle himself. He's he's he's already grasped very quickly what's going on here. Yeah. Yeah. I think he gets this is not a fun interview. New York and oh God. So one of the reasons I think that he might not get the verse that Alex is talking about is because the context is completely wrong. It was at the last supper that this verse happens not at the Garden of Gethsemane. No, not after someone's ear was cut off. Right. It's a conversation at the last supper. Yeah. And the verse that he's talking about it specifically is Luke 22 36 which says quote he said to them but now let the one who

has a money bag take it and likewise a knapsack and let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. It seems like this is Jesus telling the apostles to get armed because it's about time to fight. But the full context of this is actually a little bit different. It's important to read the next two verses when you're reading this one. I am so tired of people whenever they quote a Bible verse out of context all of a sudden whenever somebody talks about it they're like it's important to read the other parts of it. Yeah. Yeah. Luke 22 goes on quote it is written and he was numbered with the transgressors and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes. What is written about me is reaching its fulfillment. The disciples said see Lord here

are two swords. That's enough. He replied two swords was enough not because the swords were fighting or self-defense. It was enough because the fact that they were armed was enough to make the law consider them transgressors in their being seen as transgressors. Jesus was fulfilling the prophecy that he would be numbered among the transgressors which was from Isaiah chapter 52 verse 12 quote therefore I will give him a portion among the great and he will divide the spoils with the strong because he poured out his life unto death and was numbered with the transgressors. He bore the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors. The reason this pastor doesn't recognize the verse that Alex is talking about is because this is not the most

important verse in you know the general understanding of the Bible. Sure. It's an interesting wrinkle where Jesus was making plans to play the role that he's supposed to play in his arrest and subsequent crucifixion but it isn't a focus in and of itself. For Alex on the other hand it's paramount. He completely misinterprets the verse because he needs something in the Bible to give divine justification for his obsession with guns so this verse is probably the single most important verse in the Bible to someone like him. Yeah. And so for him it's like you don't know the most important verse. Yeah he was really hoping that Nate Doggan Warren G wrote that particular verse. Mount up. Mount up. Now what's always fun about that right what's always

fun about that is that that part is an awareness on Jesus's part theoretically uh in the Bible that he is not necessarily the thing but is by doing the things within the prophecy will then gain the the trust and awareness of the people which I find fascinating because he is specifically fulfilling that in order to fulfill it or that he knows that that is his lot in life and in order to be the fulfillment of the prophecy which he is right then he must be considered part of the rabble in the the criminal element exactly um you know not necessarily I don't know it's it's weird because it isn't an instance necessarily of forcing it but you're shrugging it kind of is I mean it is it is like hey man get a couple of swords because we got to do this thing from the

book but he done all the other things and all these miracles sure but don't do that one then what happens the whole thing falls apart Jesus goes crazy see see this is this is why you're not in charge of this is why you're not really Jordan but I'm a bad god yeah I'm terrible at it yeah you can't follow prophecy man I fucking dare you to not follow this prophecy Jesus looking at it all wrong yeah much like Alex yeah absolutely so anyway um this this not knowing the verse turns into a bit of a fight and Alex is trying to make him uh out to be a gun grab oh I read your quotes here from ABC news and what I get from reading the article is people turn their guns in because they've got families and they think they're dangerous in the house and the last line here is

the Valentine's Day celebration will be overseen by armed police and they use these images on the news and I've got the gun control groups on documents on this to acclimate us to the image of people lining up turning their guns in and everywhere where they've had gun registration and gun buybacks in other parts of the world it then turns into a mandatory thing so aren't you concerned you're part of a conditioning process uh that guns are bad here turn them in are you concerned experience of having a family and my congregation lose a child from a child playing with a pistol in a neighbor's house well cars kill 12 times that's because they didn't properly store the guns don't you know there's instant access pistol safes that cost 75 dollars

once again we don't force anyone to turn in their guns or their rifles and we were pleased to make this opportunity available well I think the families love their family 307 households that we feel very comfortable better now feel safer that's uh that's a bit uh cold on alex's part when our congregation lost a kid do the fuck your kid yeah your kid what about cars what about cars I'll hit your kid with what are you doing man yeah and then the uh the you know instant access gun safes argument is fine um but you know these people it's not it's not just they don't want the gun in the house because they don't know how to handle it or where to put it safely right they also just are like I don't want this in the house necessarily yeah he goes on and he talks about how a number

of them are people who got these as gifts and don't necessarily want them right texas gifts can be guns yeah yeah yeah and and so like it is an important point that they're not compelling anyone no to do this no if so then the alternative of like a gun safe makes a lot of sense if you do not know where if you are forced to turn in your gun if you don't know how to handle it right then a gun safe is a good solution if you don't want the gun a place to put it isn't necessarily like solving the problem but it is for alex because everyone needs to have a fucking gun right and if you offer anybody an alternative to having a gun then you are trying to take his gun exactly that makes perfect sense ridiculous that makes perfect sense have you considered all right

so you're thinking i'll give these people money okay as an incentive for them to give me these guns that they don't want and then these people won't have the guns that they don't want and will have the money that they want right now have you considered just forcing them to buy a gun safe thereby expensing an extra a hundred dollars to this gun and then putting a gun that they don't want inside of a safe that they don't want to keep safe from the thing that they have that they don't want that's what jefferson wanted that's the word he conceived so alex keeps trying to cut him off and i will say that this pastor has vigor fortitude yeah he will keep on talking all right good for him well pastor back when this pastor pastor pastor they've some of the boxes

and the things yes they they most people don't know how to properly store a handgun well you need to teach them how let me just tell you about them people turn in weapons in cardboard boxes i say one of the cardboard boxes that was tape shot and it had written on the side danger no kids okay let me stop the pastor pastor would be going to play my holder he wants to hang up that's fine this is all a bunch of anti-gun propaganda i was taught how to use a gun at a very young age that's where gun safety comes from okay fine good for you great wow yeah this has gone so bad for alex and we're only two clips it he he puts the guy on hold he put the guy on hold yeah and if you want to hang up that's fine if you want to hang up that's fine that lets you know

that things aren't going to get better nope you're on the other end of that line it's like i'm going to be uh now more disrespectful probably oh yeah if you want to if you want to bounce go ahead now that i now that i'm aware that this person has the ability to just silence me uh it's time to go and yeah if he's not like going to play along be scared of the talking points i'm throwing at him if he's going to keep talking not feel like uh need to be overly polite while i'm being rude yep yep um yeah time to time to go on hold my friend and have a consistent like only a slight dynamic increase whenever alex tries to interrupt he just goes and then and then he just keeps with the same monotone that's solid yeah you're not going to talk over me move it's on message yeah

on message he's he's got the goods right now and i will say i like his exit and if you love your family you learn how to use a gun and you protect your family this is all part of the big gun control agenda and for you to say that christ didn't say uh sell your cloak and buy a sword you're telling me pastor as a pastor you don't know that my back that we had there was a mistake we did not pass out roses but there were 59 weapons turned in and we're very pleased with that result and i wish you well today i think it's horrible i think it's horrible pastor there he just hung up on us and i've got my bible here on the bookshelf next to me and i sat through a lot of sunday school and enjoyed it but i do not know the particular verse i know 50 people can call in

and give us the verse oh wow you don't know the verse the most important go get a sword verse you don't know what it is shouldn't that be like right at the tip of his tongue like that should be he should be ready to go all the time now i doesn't remember it he loves sunday school that he went to yeah oh it's great he learned how to use a gun in sunday school true uh it's gun day school uh every day is gun day every day is gun day so yeah he uh i respect the hell out of that staying on message yeah not being lured into the little distraction tricks that alex has and then just being like i wish you well goodbye i'm out bouncing i'm out because it's not you're not going to get anywhere it's not going to get better you're not not going to be able to get any of the like

messages that are probably important for you about i mean based on everything i can tell about this guy outreach seems to be like something really important right in his ministry and like you're not going to have anything fruitful come of this right and you're just going to have alex be a dick to you yeah i mean it's it's going to start with something along well you know people need that you know these people don't necessarily want a gun you can you can just not want one if he was talking about one person who's a grandmother yeah like maybe doesn't have the uh like an other place that you can dispose of a gun maybe what do you do with it maybe her fucking grandson got her a long gun and she can't even god damn carry it she's got an m16 in her house uh it's a barret

yeah exactly oh boy what are we doing here so after uh the guy leaves sure sure alex just decides to attack him a whole bunch yeah i believe that like christ don't worry the show's documented because evil always fails that's documented because our facts documented are documented and powerful and we're winning the fight against the new world order people are waking up everywhere what an incredible statement by that so-called presbyterian pastor in dallas who's had a whole bunch of well seven different gun buybacks what does it mean that he didn't know the verse where christ said uh sell your cloaks and buy swords what does that mean well it just shows that either the guy's a liar or he's completely ignorant of the most basic

stuff in the bible in the new testament incredible and he wouldn't answer that question when i brought it back up to him for the second time he just hung up on me he did yeah yeah what a real asshole yeah the most basic thing in the new testament i'm not sure about that you know there was uh there's uh i am the way in the truth and the goodbye a gun uh no one comes to the gun father except through my gun yeah uh and then there's that one like a few other things that were like more uh uh front of stage in the beginning was the gun well no that's old testament oh okay sorry about that one because he did qualify it that's true that's one of the most basic things you're right in the new testament is jesus wanted you to have a fucking sword right right right right

i don't think so i mean it was it was left out perhaps the most important verse in the bible for the for uh you know gun enthusiasts is that uh jesus's father all right i know we want to call it a macula conception it was a gun it was a gun he's his father of jesus was a gun it is uh uh sword god god was a sword because shit back then they didn't have guns um but then also that whole like uh lived by the sword died by the sword that is kind of also from the bible now from matthew when matthew 26 foo who said that matthew always jesus actually but the book of matthew yeah yeah um so yeah i don't know i don't think uh that uh i don't know i don't think that uh alex is i mean it's documented in as much as that verse does exist but it's not documented in

that i mean he's not documenting the rest of the the passage right he's not documenting the context around it well one could say that the document itself is the thing that he is trying very hard to avoid and he is enjoying a very small grouping of words inside of the document yes yeah and so do uh his callers we got a bunch of other news items coming up believe me there's a lot of it and it's all important but obviously everybody wants to talk about this now so let's go to the calls frank in west virginia says he's got his bible open uh to the uh verse chapter and verse is amazing read us uh the verse uh go ahead frank okay alex uh yes you're correct john i'm sorry luke chapter 22 and verse 36 it says uh then said he under them but now he that had the purse now

this is jesus quoting mind you he that had the purse let him take it and likewise his script and he that have no sword let him sell this garment and buy one now there's a follow-up verse two verses later but the thing that came to my mind 15 years ago is is why did jesus tell disciples to purchase a a sword and if they don't have the money to buy the script uh then to sell their uh sell their cloaks sell their uh garments something that was necessary something that was certainly a necessity for something that was more of a necessity and uh verse after this 37 why is this saying run around in a loincloth uh if you have to because you're gonna need weapons in the future doesn't sound like him and and exactly also i mean like the the the bible does go on to

you know tell the tales of what happens to the apostles later yeah i don't recall a lot of like squash buckling there was there was a brief a brief section where paul got on a boat uh headed towards the uh the far east it was uh it was dangerous right and then ended up in a sword fight against the globalist yeah yeah he was uh he was on uh he was in there doing smoking a lot of opium under his hair got real long am i thinking a legend of the fall i think i'm a legend of the fall yeah yeah so the same caller brings up that there's a follow-up verse two verses later right which is that um then bringing the two swords and jesus saying that's enough right so he has an interesting uh assessment of what i'm gonna say now i'm interested to see where that fits his

interpretation of this he skips the part kind of where it calls back the prophecy from isaiah sure and just the it's enough the two swords one of them's a short sword one's a long sword so it's kind of like a pistol and a rifle get the fuck out of here nope what is wrong with people then he goes and says uh actually one of the disciples said uh lord behold here are two swords and he said under them it is enough so there was the macaeron sword there were two swords uh short sword or personal protection back then there was also a longer sword used for combat in uh in military service so we're literally talking about the pistol and the rifle literally uh yes and today's modern uh uh weaponry uh i would have to agree with the 100 percent uh the pistol and the rifle are the

modern day swords of today the point here is frank that we've got a so-called pastor on and he told me that that wasn't true he told me that wasn't in probably the most red part of the bible yes that doesn't surprise you think he was a liar or do you think he's a complete idiot oh which is it you know i i talked to a lot of pastors i'm a preacher myself and and one thing that i found is that people will not see what they don't want to see if they're not open to the truth wow that passage a hundred times over and it just doesn't seem to stand out to him because they don't have the holy spirit teaching him if he isn't saved to start with uh that's one you know i've noticed that i can say something that's as clear as anything and and and if people don't want to

believe it they'll just twist it around for they don't understand it exactly oh really pistol and rifle guy i i think i think maybe one of the biggest problems with the world we live in is that we don't literalize the the eat your words like these people need to have to eat physically a cake made out of this bullshit that they are fucking spouting so you're applies entirely to themselves you're going phantom toll booth exactly they should have to eat their words spaghettios of shame um yeah but i don't think that they would have a problem with those words because they're like playing fanciful games right around this they're adding their context that's fun and then but but in doing so they're depriving things of context that actually comes from the source material yeah and then blaming

everybody else of like not getting it you know some people just only see what they want to see down i will say that it is fair to say that this is in one of the most red parts of the bible because you know it is in the gospels are pretty important well and it's in the lead up to the crucifixion and uh arrest of jesus and i have you so like it is in that part that people read a lot but that doesn't mean that this verse about swords is the most important thing i really feel like if you're getting really hung up on this first you are missing all the rest of the bible you sure are yeah so but that context thing is really interesting i don't like it um this same caller he's going to talk about uh a friend of his who watched one of alex's videos okay and this friend is able to

understand context all right and this is a problem right for frank this is gonna go this is gonna go bad yeah uh you know i've noticed that i can say something that's as clear as anything and and and people don't want to believe it they'll just twist it around for they don't understand it exactly exactly i was clear you're wrong matter of fact and uh sat down i remember one guy sat down with got to the part in 9 11 road to tyranny and this guy was uh the uh fema i believe the fema commander who was talking about uh uh christians and uh founding fathers being terrorists this guy actually told me he said yeah i can understand that you know that i guess they would be back then they'd be considered terrorists this guy's identifying with the fema commander that was demonizing christians

and and patriots no no no no no no no no this guy was understanding what the guy was saying yeah when the guy said words he understood them he's identifying with yeah no he's just understanding words the thing that you guys just said you were so great at doing yes oh my god yeah yeah yeah it's it's um it's interesting to me to see something like that because it is a recognition that this person frank this caller has interacted with people who get they understand reality yep and it doesn't matter it doesn't penetrate frank's ideas at all yep he sees the person who understands context as the one who doesn't have your identifying with the demons right and it's it's kind of a bummer i mean it is a bummer you know kind of a bummer it's just a bummer here's one thing that

here's a here's a huge uh attribute to comedy that i hadn't really considered but i that i do think now is like really really important the instant feedback of being understood you know like if my joke works that means that it was clear yeah that you understood the point of it if it doesn't work then it wasn't clear there's no there's no like oh they're wrong no no no no instant reaction either i did it right or i didn't you know and i don't get to be like ah well the audience is wrong if it happens every fucking time true sometimes i can be like the audience is wrong but this is a consistent pattern for alex yeah yeah but it it i guess it opens up like an interesting question of like where is what is the root of that not understanding like

how much of it is willful like does this guy frank this caller does he legitimately understand the point that the guy he was watching the video with was making does he legitimately understand that this fema person was saying that in the time of the revolutionary war right the people who are the founding fathers of our country now were insurgents and would be considered terrorists right does he not understand he must he must not be able to abstract it you know it's because there's a clear good and evil in the world right so it doesn't matter what evil actions are you can't consider them terrorists because terrorists are evil and revolutionaries are good right so if you call them terrorists then you're calling revolution evil and not and not terrorism you

certainly think that about a lot of revolution well sure but those are terrorists i guess i honestly think that for people to understand that the like founding fathers of our country were terrorists at the time that can only lead to greater understanding and nuance of the way we view terrorists right you think it doesn't lead to like ha ha all right wing people are there it doesn't no that's not the next thought along those lines but it is for alex yeah very weird i mean what what i find so fascinating about it is that these are concepts that they can abstractly understand in like sci-fi or in fiction in those worlds they can be they can take like oh luke skywalker is technically speaking if you wanted to consider him a terrorist they're the rebels

they're the rebels that's the idea you know and he's still the hero i don't know alex kind of likes the emperor that's true he does fucking love the emperor i don't know if he can't abstract maybe he's just a bad dude maybe he's thinking is just like he's just not a good thinker fairly on it's fairly rigid it's not it's not like it's a bit more concrete than it should be yeah it's just like i don't understand i can't understand how you can think the way he does and still exist yeah and he teaches that to the callers and the listeners because they just mirror it right back yeah yeah so this show is just like been taken over by hatred of this pastor yep yep just man we gotta focus yeah for those that just joined us uh about uh 15 minutes ago i had a pastor

on the show bruce so called the first presbyterian church in dallas that's a big church by the way folks i'm from dallas and they've had seven gun buybacks and had hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of guns turned in they just had another one on valentine's day and i mentioned luke 22 36 where christ said uh you know if you don't have money uh sell your cloak and buy a sword and he said no that that that doesn't exist i don't know about that when that's one of the most famous well-known verses uh out of the new testament it's not one of the most famous verses but it is to alex yeah because he needs it he needs it to exist in the misrepresented version that he believes it to exist in because like i said it gives divine justification to guns

yep and that way he can tie his gun absolutism and that extremism into his religious beliefs and therefore kind of make it seem less assailable from people having a critical opinion of it right right that's just bullshit yeah it's kind of a cowardly refuge well tying awful things to religion in order to get people who otherwise wouldn't do them to do them is a time-honored tradition there's a rich yeah i mean that's just that's what we're all here for true but it's very transparent with alex it is very transparent and it's it is kind of interesting because i i would imagine that many of the religious people that he's surrounded by maybe it is one of the most famous important verses to them there aren't many that justify uh wanton violence but but yeah

and the people that he is you know in community with yeah are probably also the type who want divine uh justification for gun absolutism let's let's get into it let's talk alex should the canaanites have fought back or would they be evil oh we don't know the bible's crazy i don't know that verse yeah right it's one of the most famous verses of all time so alex gets into gun safety a little bit and talks about his history sure with guns all right and um this is just a little addition to his biography great well it's common sense richard if you love your family you're supposed to be a man and know how to use a gun you're supposed to train your children and use is that common sense to some people but at four years of age i was sitting in my father's lap shooting

folgers coffee cans with a 410 shotgun by the time i was eight years old i could shoot a buck moving uh at 200 yards away today i could shoot deer at 600 yards because my father trained me and no one in our whole family's history has had an accident with a gun and in the past when we all owned guns and the guns were on a gun case right out in full view by the time a child could get up there to the guns they knew not to touch them unless they were out shooting with their parents so we didn't have all these accidents because people knew how to use guns and we were a free country go ahead you had plenty accidents yeah um i don't know i don't come from a gun family um so i don't know if four is young to be sitting on a parent's lap shooting a shotgun i mean i see

like the recoil is too much for a four-year-old that's why you got the dad's arm right i understand that i i mean i'm not saying i don't judge that if you can if you can carry a child and fire a shotgun at the same time i think there are so many other questions that you need to answer way before we get there it's hard for me to have any context that might be normal in some like communities or some folks but like it seems young it feels young to me well i mean there's there's alex and daniel boone uh those are two four-year-olds that i know who can shoot i mean it's completely different standards if we're talking about like the wild west yeah exactly i think that's but i mean i think that's where alex is believing that he grew up no he grew up in a

rich suburb of dallas no no no he grew up where he's fighting in the late 70s gun fighting at noon every god damn day practicing to fire a shotgun no what are we doing i don't know why oh i can shoot a deer at 600 yards does that mean you're good at firing guns i think so but but like okay how does that keep you from accidentally shooting yourself i don't know but i really admire alex for not uh when he said he can shoot a buck uh i'm so proud that he didn't finish that up by saying also he can run a trot line yeah because he always does that good for him so anyway he's really angry all right um and another caller wants to shit on that pasture look at mel gibson trying to make a movie about jesus getting attacked look at how upside down things have gotten so

upside down running around the super bowl there's but they don't have so it's being taken over all this is happening and oh well i tell you let's go ahead and take another call let's talk to paul in missouri paul will go ahead hello yes alex yes i wanted to uh to um quote that uh scripture but i see everybody else done the same thing it says the same thing in my bible i guess that uh uh pastor uh earned his 30 pieces over did me i got him i guess he did what oh okay that's all i want to tell you good call i wanted to get my little bit in yeah and now i'm off well she called in to put that she just that she had her bible and everyone else had already done it oh that's right that's right she was waiting on hold them just hey maybe he's a judas mm right wait oh boy

that's that's a that's a great youtube comment yeah so not all of the callers are uh roundly against this pastor okay good some of them have a little bit more understanding of of what's going on sure uh dianne go ahead hi alex my name's actually deanna but that's all right um i'm calling in about the pastor who's on the show in the first hour um and i just like to defend him in um in a couple of areas um the verse that you cited i went to 16 years of um of christian you know elementary school high school um college and i've read the gospel several times so you hold on just saying yeah are you for gun control i'm not okay well the the preacher for those that don't know just joined us in the last hour who had a gun by back in dallas that abc news reported on um

um he was saying that he didn't know that that uh in the gospel of luke that christ said sell your clothes and buy a sword right okay go ahead um i would like to say though that um the many times that i've read the gospel that that verses never jumped out at me and it makes sense to me that people who are um who are pro gun would would know verses like that and be able to use them to support their cause um and then be able to say well those of you who don't know well then you must just be stupid because you've never whatever who hasn't read the part at the garden of testimony i mean that's the most read part of the bible is the last 12 hours of christ's life okay i the real point that i wanted to make was that um i i sort of feel bad for you

unsuspecting interviewees sometimes because i don't think that they know what they're getting into that's right they don't haha they don't know what they're getting into i ambush people yeah i don't understand how you didn't quite understand that as a criticism of you well i don't know if it was are you right that may be true yeah yeah but her point is well taken yeah um and also alex still is saying that it's at the garden of gethsemane which is not true yeah um he's conflating some things but her point that like people who are pro gun this would be one of the most important verses for them and they would say that anybody who doesn't know it is stupid yeah that's all that's going on yep um so another caller calls in and actually wants to explain to alex the nature of

the having a sword to fill the prophecy of right transgression oh being counted as part of the one of the transgressors we're going to seminary and this is just vintage alex okay mike down for this because obviously spoiler alert hangs up on sure sure sure but listen to where that happens okay because it is very calculated the other thing about that verse is being taken out of context and lose 20 loop 22 36 nowhere in the paulina peoples or anywhere in the gospel uh are there any examples that were to live by the sword um i'm not anti done well that's not true the entire bible is about people defending themselves against tyranny but not since jesus came that was in or the old test and i've read the bible more than so it was wrong that the founding fathers stood up to

england no the truth of the scriptures are this and that we let me just say something i'm going to defend my family and uh well i can have a hundred pastors on here to repeat what you're saying well i'm not look you know there's plenty of scriptures to to refute it to refute the fact that we are to not live like that it says blessed are the are the peacemakers and i don't mean yeah and you make and you make peace by defending and by going after the enemies that are attacking you well if you let me explain that verse in 22 36 of loop that's not what it means it's been taken out of context it is a no wise meant for us to go arm to to fight i've read the whole thing and that's not true and thanks for the call thanks for the call hitler was for gun control the bottle is not

forgetful so yeah she is about to explain yeah the the the context that this verse exists in and he immediately hangs up on her that is an intentional action yeah that is he does not want to even have to engage with the context and to me that implies that he knows yeah that implies to me that he's aware that he's misusing this verse for his own political ends right that that seems pretty clear right i mean it seems it seems very difficult to go from a very cohesive message which is that you should place yourself below every other person on this planet to the point where if they want to kill you you should allow yourself to be killed and turn that into we got to arm up and start blowing people left and right the only way to have peace is to kill

all you gotta kill them all piece yeah i mean it's it's a little bit of a twist it is but i'll take it now i think that i would take alex for more of a sincere actor if he were to have a caller like this call in and say this is taking out a context let me explain uh what the you know my perspective on this and he were to say here i have my perspective on this i would like to hear yours and then go back and forth yeah be open to whatever this person's bringing to the table because you're so secure in your knowledge of this scripture that is so important to you right that you are able to handle somebody providing an alternative viewpoint but he's not yeah he can't handle that and he wouldn't be able to rebut it i'm fairly certain i i am amazed i am amazed at the

confidence with which alex can say that he knows the bible i mean just just on a purely like i've i've i've read the bible a bunch of times but you know the bible is a several thousand year old book and it has been studied by people much smarter than me over and over and over again over those thousands of years i don't think i have an original original opinion about the bible i don't have anything interesting to add probably and i definitely don't know it as well as somebody who fucking knows it sure you know yeah i mean and you can have read it but there's so many books in it that are all different they're all written under different contexts a lot of them are in conversation with each other the books themselves the aspects of the like just in this case the

prophecy in israel looping back into the uh gospel of luke and like there's there are literary aspects to it that if you don't study the bible you don't really understand there uh there's just so much i always skip psalms because i don't like bad poetry damn it's just bad it's just bad well like steven kraut or i skip songs of psalm because i don't want to get a boner in church that's a good call boy like melons whoa um so yeah this right the other thing too is that like he spends so much of this episode shitting on this pastor yeah i know mostly about the the sword verse and he's not willing to hear from a caller who agrees with him and isn't in favor of gun control a different interpretation of this verse and that to me is cowardly and um yeah just weak yep

so now we get to senor gibson mr gibson i cannot believe just how christlike it is to just shit on a pastor for disagreeing with you about gun control for a good hour the whole bible is about guns what don't you understand fuck that guy yeah that guy fucking sucks i hate him anyways here's my interpretation of luke the whole bible is about fighting the globalist see a small sword is like a pistol a long sword is like a rifle alex you understand this bible better than anybody i ever done met in that verse it doesn't even say one of them is a small one see there's two swords there's two types of sword at the time well what about the mace so hutton gibson uh shows up uh holocaust denier extraordinaire father to mel yeah uh

hutton gibson and alex asks uh what do you think about that sword first i've been going wild for the last two hours wild listen to the show today but did you hear about uh all the craziness that's going on yes i did i've been right with the show all morning all afternoon whatever well no uh afternoon some places and in morning other places you're right good work uh hutton i mean i don't want to digress but i know you talk a lot about this i mean to have a preacher in dallas a presbyterian saying that he didn't know that jesus said sell your cloak and buy a sword that it's hard to it's hard to believe that a preacher wouldn't know that but that cuts right to the heart of the matter of what we're soared you know i've almost heard these preachers will say

i know every word right of course i say that you only know the words that are recorded in the gospel people who are supposed to be but anyway that's that's their province they're supposed to know that great point hutton yeah yeah you don't know what he read on the shitter do you know you don't know what jesus said around the dinner table just on a you know just on a tuesday on a wednesday i'm hanging around his listen i've been in chicago a long time but jesus's polish jokes whoa they were a little bit too dark even for me it was a different time it was a different time yeah um yeah i mean i guess that's true that we don't know what jesus said when things weren't recorded sure sure it's a good point i agree i i we i might even argue that we don't know

exactly what he said at all so i i mean i i also think that there's a parade of historical figures that we don't know what they said people on tv right now we don't know what they said jesus christ yep okay so um this uh appearance by hutton gibson is a bit more about his feelings about catholicism than the last time which was sort of right-wing grievances like the draft is coming yeah yeah everyone's being mean to my boy real real bibley today yes yes quite and so um hutton gets into his feelings about the catholic church i had you on a few weeks ago we we got into the new world order in the draft and and all of this but i mean i was captivated talking to you yesterday for 30 minutes about how the catholic church was taken over in 1958 or that's when one of the big

takeovers took place and i want to talk about that uh what are the basics well they had an election there in october to elect a new pope and they did it twice apparently the white smoke came up on october 26 that means we have a pope and there's only one phone going in and out of the place the man inside called the man outside and said get the guard out we got a new pope for you and so five minutes later the smoke turned black the guy called back and said hey it's a mistake mistake people don't make mistakes the people that have a job like that you know it's probably been in their family for generations uh probably i can i'm just going to create fictional people that i assume would never make a mistake like this if your argument is no one makes mistakes

or people in high stakes positions don't make mistakes i mean sure it's maybe emotionally persuasive but it's not definitive no so there were multiple misreadings of smoke signals during the 1958 papal enclave one of them was most likely due to a fire mishap like the the difference in how they made black and white smoke had to do with like wetness of hay and stuff right right there are some problems with a smoke based communication system it's true and then the other one was due to the smoke being viewed after nightfall where it was lit from below and made it it made it appear to be white when it was in fact black smoke sure sure sure so there's real difficulties with symbolic announcements oh boy there was some trouble in the 1939 enclave

as well when they released smoke that was supposed to be white but ultimately turned black which naturally sent a mixed message sure sure sure sure and people are very confused yes so this is an imprecise system which is why they now use chemicals to make sure that the correct color of smoke appears plainly for all to see it's a weird fix but it's a good way to retain tradition i guess ah yeah sure i suppose in the 1980s an ultra conservative catholic named gary grafier decided to use the color confusion in the 1958 enclave to push a conspiracy theory that said that there was a pope who was decided when that first white smoke was seen and it was this conservative cardinal named ghisepi siri siri was allegedly voted in as pope but then he was threatened by

jews and freemasons and should not taking the position so the enclave continued on voting the 1958 enclave elected pope john the 23rd but he would only live for a few more years after that dying in 1963 the subsequent enclave in 1963 elected giovanni montini who took on the name paul the sixth but according to the conspiracy theory again it was supposed to be cardinal siri but the jews and freemasons made a bunch of threats sure which stopped his election again what you're gonna do all this is nonsense and there's no proof of any of it and siri himself has never gone on record about it and seems to show literally no indication towards supporting this theory yeah however in the 1958 enclave john the 23rd was elected and he was the pope who called

for the second vatican council which strongly condemned anti-semitism so this conspiracy theory gives the appearance of some kind of greater storyline behind the opposition to the post council church that doesn't rely just on saying you want to deny the holocaust right that's what hadan is espousing yeah it's an elaborate theory he promotes because the church he wants to belong to doesn't support him denying the holocaust and believing in ridiculous anti-semitic conspiracies which seems to be more important right and he's not willing to give that up see i'm i'm of the opinion that once you have a boy pope once you got a teenage pope every pope after that has to be a teenager i think that should just be the rule otherwise it makes you

look like maybe you were taking advantage of a child in order to gain power for yourself and you can't have that that's that's just not a religion works no you shouldn't do that so they should always be a 14 year old pope that's my that's my new rule okay and you should vote digitally you don't need the smoke well see the smoke i believe as i understand is a sort of a call back to or a thing about they have to burn all the ballots sure so no one knows who anybody voted for right right oh no i understand the symbolism yeah i'm just saying in my child pope world everybody's voting digitally okay all right i mean i think you're gonna have a tough time anti die cardinals ropes none of this red none of this red noise i think i'm making big changes i

think there's going to be a wider community of people who dislike your third vatican i think vatican three is going to be real unpopular i think that one's not going to go over well it's not going to be largely anti semites who are against you on this one but that's what we need now the anti semites don't have anything to argue about everybody's mad at vatican three i don't think you're gonna look i'm not i'm not supporting you i'm not supporting you i'll be over here planting potatoes on the street in chicago and you can go try and start a whole new line of papacy okay so um hoten just all over the place yeah go over that for people that don't understand it and then let's get into the the takeover of the catholic church

well they burn the balance each time so nobody knows who voted for whom after they're counted and uh then they put them in the fire there inside the assisting chapel and the smoke comes out the chimney you see they're white or black depending on whether the straw is wet or dry so uh when it comes out white that means we have a pope elected and it's in this 58 there on the 26th of october they came out white and went that way for five minutes and suddenly it started getting gray and then it turned black and then they recall the cards and said hey there's been a mistake because i say that that's uh unbelievable it's just not likely uh it'd be the first time it ever happened except for the last time in 1939 fire is number one thing that makes mistakes

it's fire it's it's fire everything burns it's a fucking Notre Dame burned it's true everything can burn fires somewhat unpredictable in many of its behaviors yeah uh yeah it's uh it's not something that is beyond the realm of possibility that there could be a mistake yeah especially with fire yeah yeah and when one of your ingredients that's essential for creating the symbol is wet yeah a fire a wet fire why can't we control this wet fire yeah i don't know not buying it no it's hard to believe not buying it no somebody who's been doing this since their great grandfather started the job would never make a mistake with fire well actually he says uh like it's probably been in the family uh for a long time he does and say like well maybe indirectly like your uncle

oh my god a fine whatever maybe it's not maybe it's not passed down to the first born that responsibility share fire could be all over the place could be an avuncular thing i don't like this whole thing hutton so um i was really disappointed by this yeah and honestly this is where i lost a lot of respect for hutton Gibson and i had very little to begin with you didn't have much um alex asks him for some like behind the scenes stuff about the the information about the 58 on clay totally totally yeah and all he has is dumb shit conspiracy theory talking points there is nothing here now hutton i've talked to some of your associates and i've read some books on this subject uh specifically going back to 1958 do you have any information on what happened

behind the scenes or how they uh made them change the voting or go back and then announce a new pope i mean uh how did that take place well apparently uh they elected somebody and he would have been a man who was not particularly knowledgeable to a certain other interest and somebody went out and came back with a with that message this guy isn't gonna go we're not gonna we're going to run into trouble somebody's gonna bomb roam with the atom bomb or something like that yeah that sounds right and uh instead of standing up to him and going over to the radio and broadcasting that they they folded up and elected somebody else without getting rid of the one they had already elected now do we know who they had really elected well i i have uh a pretty couple of pretty good

guesses i think it was probably uh cardinal siri genoa or there there's another one there there uh uh tata scheme tata scheme okay tata scheme you think seems like this is uh seems like that name might have been more on your on your radar secret pope seems pretty important yeah the rightful pope the rightful pope is pretty i would know the name this is all just the shit from the eighties this eighties conspiracy theory the new king of rome is what the threat was that the jews and freemasons uh had over them that made them revote against siri yeah it's just uh just a load of shit i i got i i found this to be really disappointing because if i'm going to be listening to mel gibson's dad give me this this nonsense conspiracy theory

shit i want him to actually have something a little deeper say what you want right about leo zegami i was just gonna bring him up he throws in so many details and all of these like he tells stories about people like what they did in secret rooms and there's details about what they were wearing like he's like oh yes he was wearing that yeah yeah no no he dresses this up so well of like uh like he he has insider information that he is making up but yeah it creates a robust world for this it's just like i don't know go read one of those dumb books that are just the basics of this conspiracy that's as good as talking to hutton gibson because that's all he's got i was just i was just thinking that i was just thinking if you

want to have hutton gibson on to talk about vatican too you got to tie him together with leo zegami because that's alex doesn't know leo at this point i know and that's why he shouldn't be saying anything about it leo is not the messiah at this point i'm not sure where leo is in 2004 until you have the man who did 9 11 on your show leo might be in prison in 2004 i'm not sure where he's at i think he's still dancing i think he's still i think he's still raven no i don't think so i think his his rave days were in like the 80s and 90s sure sure 2004 that was when he was waking up yeah drying out yeah yeah he's on a eight year dry out yeah so um i have one last clip here and it's just alex signing off on and agreeing with hutton take the national

rifle association please decades ago it was pro gun today its job is disarming the american people they go into federal courts they botch cases they they go after groups that are really pro gun they're there to neutralize the five plus million members to pacify them they've been overtaken uh the uh baptist churches a lot of them are pro new world order anti gun anti family uh it's happened to the methodists it's happened to the piscopalian i mean you see these articles all the time you've seen it in your own church and and and this is what the elite is good at is going in and taking over organizations institutions and clearly uh that's what happened with the catholic church after 1958 so yeah it's um it's an interesting

episode because you have hutton gibson who you know is a horrible person yeah by his beliefs monsters bigot um and alex is all about it oh yeah he is he is not critical of the things that hutton is saying he is completely on board with it he takes things just at face value he's lapping it up yeah yeah simultaneously he has a pastor on earlier in the show who did a gun buyback program kill him i hate that guy fuck him spends most of the show shitting on him saying he hasn't been saved talking about how he's not a real pastor yeah and this is a guy who from all appearances spent a large portion of his time selflessly giving back to people who are vulnerable yep um and that kind of tells you what you need to know about alex jones it's really it's really hard

not to listen to this episode and be like oh well i get it somebody like that pastor from the presbyterian church is a monster and like a danger right in alex's view right and someone like hutton gibson is preaching the truth and also we're not going to talk about all of the holocaust denial that he does on air because i want to present him as the person who's doing the truth right and i don't i don't want you to have to worry you're a little head about that no no now if someone calls in and tells me that i'm taking this verse that i'm attacking the presbyterian uh guy with out of context well we're gonna hang up on that hang up yeah we're not gonna allow that kind of talk here yeah yeah i mean it is it is kind of amazing to thump your bible so hard

that you can be described as a christian by the world despite the fact that you clearly hate more than anyone else in the bible jesus christ it feels it feels like you wouldn't be into him it does feel like it would be a bummer for him to meet if jesus was like i didn't like i look not everybody needs a sword no what hang up like wouldn't that be it would be like jesus himself could appear and disagree with alex and how those could would just be like ah fuck you you're not jesus bam well but jesus might speak in a parable and then alex would be like when i'm here and is i you like guns you just tell me to buy more guns all right all right i'm gonna interpret that how i like yeah oh shit i should have that's when jesus in real time jesus would be like fuck i

should have just said it i should have just been straight up i just told too many stories that was my problem i was a storyteller i like to do uh you know too much faith in people's abilities you'd think abstractly i had too much faith jesus christ so yeah i thought this was just an interesting document in and of itself this episode uh the the polar opposites of people who have faith that appears to be largely centered around things that are genuinely benefits to society that help people that are taking the energy that comes from your beliefs and channeling it into something good and somebody who is clearly so angry about the church repudiating anti-semitism yep and creating their entire life and their beliefs around attacking and delegitimizing

the catholic church because they believe that they should still uh have those beliefs pre second vatican council yeah um it's just two sides of the coin and you see which side alex likes yeah i mean it is it is nice in some respects the extremity of this show because it makes things so stark you know like we don't have somebody who's complicated and we don't have two complicated people we have very clear heroes and villains here this is maybe the most stark difference between a hero and villain in real life i think i've seen in a long time in the same episode no less same episode it's bananas yeah and one of them is somebody that alex has to lure onto the show um on what probably were false premises you know like sure he did he said that

you know this it was essentially an ambush yeah he delighted in this guy not knowing what he was getting into so and then the other person is mel Gibson's dad who gets treated like royalty right alex fakes fake laughs of everything he says and does that obsequious ass uh sometimes it's in the afternoon sometimes it's in the morning depends on where you are aren't you so right mr gibson yeah like it's it's it's it's pathetic yeah hopefully yep so the past you know i mean you learn things you from looking at it and you see this pile of shit alex jones i mean never was good nope always sucked but uh we'll be back unless you have any other thoughts uh i mean i i think it's amazing that that is i mean it is kind of amazing that you can't see that like the idea

that you can be inside that situation that alex is in and not be able to see very clearly what's going on i would suggest that it's possible that he does yeah that's possible too i agree and maybe is aware it's on purpose yeah because things like what that uh presbyterian pastor what he uh stands for in theory allowing people to turn in guns to feel more safe uh feeding the hungry providing shelter for the unhoused yeah those aren't things that fit in with alex's political set those aren't things that he wants he would want people to i guess be forced to have guns he would want people it feels like he wants to force people to have guns right yeah and he wants people who are experiencing homelessness to have a harder time yeah he has no mercy within him um and then

you know something like hudden politically does you know he is somebody whose political set aligns closely with alex so i don't care that he doesn't think the holocaust happened i know i i mean it's it's so funny how much fighting people do between religions like oh islamic christianity is like man you can go to a fucking 20 mile radius in the midwest and you will find 15 different versions of christianity that would all kill each other if there weren't other people to fight or at least they would shake fists yeah i mean they would obviously i'm being hyperbolic they wouldn't all just kill each other but the point is that they don't actually agree on shit at all and uh you can just tune into it episode alex jones and hear uh some folks who don't agree

and alex seemingly not agree even with himself yep so we'll be back jordan but tell them we have another uh we have a website indeed we do it's knowledge fight dot com yep we're also on twitter we are on twitter it's add knowledge underscore fight and i go to bed jordan oh shit i lost it no never mind cut that out i can't believe i accidentally did that i'm not gonna cut it out because i think it's funny if that was a complete brain oh my god i don't know what happened to my brain right there i stroked out dead go to bed jordan is dead it's in bed there's none um we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark and now here comes the sex robots andy and chansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first-name caller i'm a huge fan i love

your work i love you