Knowledge Fight - #806: Chatting with Erica Lafferty

Episode Date: May 12, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan welcome Erica Lafferty to the show to discuss her experience as the lead plaintiff in the Connecticut case against Alex Jones, her medical situation, and much more. Click here to check out Erica's GoFundMe

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Well, we've done these Project Camelot episodes wherein we've talked about Carrie Cassidy and her cadre of Space Weirdos, people who are conspiracy theorists, but with aliens and the like. One of the main characters, Captain Mark Richards, he insisted that he was married to a raptor princess. The raptors are a species of alien that he is allied with. And so he got married to the princess of the raptor aliens. And so we have a little ceramic raptor princess here. Oh, I love that. Someone has made some other artwork featuring.

That is just so good. And so it's just basically another little title for folks that we bestow. And I'm comfortable saying that you qualify. You can be a raptor princess. 100 percent. Love that. I love that. And then the gummy worms is about Bill Ogden, one of the lawyers in Texas.

He, in a deposition, he was taking a deposition of Owen Schreuer and he was intentionally eating gummy worms in a really menacing way to like gesticulate. Just kind of like almost a threatening level of calmness that he's trying to express. And so that's kind of become a little bit of a joke for folks as well. During the during the Austin trial, somebody sent him a gigantic gummy worm gift as a thank you and the and the like. Yeah. Our listeners are real cool, but also physical.

Yes. It whimsical is a good right. Capricious. Yeah. I mean, like I love the attention to detail. Like I really love how they can pick up on like the super weird shit and just like make it the best thing ever. Yeah, I don't.

We got lucky. Yeah, I'm not exactly what we did, but the community of folks who've gathered around are so thoughtful and also like exactly what you said. They pick up on a little thing and play with it in the right way. That's real cool. And very, very generous, which I suppose takes us to the next part. You have, first off, let's let's get into the GoFundMe. You have a GoFundMe campaign right now to pay for your medical bills and the like.

Could you talk a little bit about your diagnosis and how long this has been going on and where we are in the process and the like? Yeah. So I'm going to. Okay. So I'm going to process this with like I work with some wonks, right? Like I work at a nonprofit that gets like real legally. Actual.

Real policy. Like actual policy. Wonks. Yeah. Okay. Wonks who politicize. I never heard the word wonky until I started at this job. And now they're always like, Eric, are you getting two in the weeds?

And I'm like, listen, like I work with a room full of fucking lawyers every day, all day, and like who did this to my brain? So if I start talking to like science, just be impressed because I failed biology 97 times in my life. Don't worry, we will. I can, I can, I can label you a raptor princess, but I can't do anything about those grades, unfortunately. Nope. I don't have the power to.

Oh my God. My principal mother loved it. Okay. So back in 2014, I went to the eye doctor because like I inherited my mom's crap vision. And I was there for like just a regular checkup and they found like this little spot behind my left eye. And the eye doctor was like, kind of don't like that, but it's probably just our tissue. Let's just keep an eye on it, which we did.

I went to the eye doctor like more frequently just to have it like measured in both sides and location for nine years that stayed exactly the same. So this past December, December 22, it was literally only like 12 days. I think after like, no, 10 days after the 10 year anniversary of my mom's murder, I go to like my routine checkup and the doctors like your scar tissue grew. And I'm like, how does scar tissue just randomly grow after almost a fucking decade? Right. So he's like, yeah, you should probably go to a neurologist.

And I'm like, okay, never done that before. So let me like establish myself with a neurologist, which if anybody's done that, it's not an easy thing to do. There's long, long waits, whatever. So by the time, so from that, that initial eye doctor appointment to the time I got to the neurologist, my, what I thought was scar tissue had tripled inside. Whoa. Yeah.

Yeah. So that's, that's some interesting scar tissue. If that were scar tissue for real, this would be an issue for Dr. House. This would be a medical marvel. Correct. Yeah. Right. And like the cane and the abuse of opiates and all that good stuff.

Sure. Looks like you're using that eye too much. Try an eye patch. Oh my God. I have the best eye patches. They have like pretzels and bananas and stuff on them. They have apples. I have seashells.

Oh my God. It's so cool. I've been trying to work in a TLC reference somewhere because of the left eye aspect. Right, right. We've been, we've been going for this so long. Both of us have been figuring it out. Staring furtive glances. Is she going to let her house on fire?

What's next? That was Andre Ryzen's house. So, all right. What met the neurologist are, my dogs are, that's Roxy. She's an apple. Um, so met the neurologist and the neurologist is like, I don't like to look. Unfortunately, you're now going to get a bunch of fan art of Roxy if you don't. Oh my God.

She's so obnoxious. So, I met the neurologist's office and the doctor was like, yeah, I'm not really comfortable with like letting you here and not like setting up an appointment at a different doctor. And that's what she said, a different doctor. And I'm like, what kind of different doctor do I need to go for? If it's not a doctor for something that's right with my eye that's near my brain and you don't want me to see a doctor, you don't want me to see a brain doctor. But she hadn't said oncologist, a different doctor.

Right. So, she's on the phone in like she runs out, gets her cell phone, uses her actual cell phone in the room with me to make an appointment with an oncologist and was like, okay, Erica, you need to leave here and drive to this oncology office. You still need to have a biopsy like today. Whoa. Cool. Yeah.

You love it when doctors are like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. Like if there, if there's not a reason to be terrified in that, like I don't know what I'm on earth to be scared of. So I go and they do the biopsy. They like they, this giant tubey thing up my nose, like little like grabby laser thing and like rip out part of this massive tumor that's free folding in my fucking forehead. And they're like, all right, you know, have fun waiting three weeks reversal.

Cool. Like, oh, cool. My God, you're so annoying, Ross. Sorry, guys. She's like, no, no, no, no, it's great. This, this cuts up the seriousness of the story quite well. Tension breaking. Yeah, totally.

Yeah. This dog is killing it right now. Roxy's got timing. Yeah. Dude, and she's, she's on Prozac. Like there's no reason for her to be acting like this. She takes Prozac every single day. So you want her to be quiet?

I'll tell you how to do it. So, so the, thankfully the results don't take three weeks, right? It was only like four days before they called me and they're like, yeah, that's actually primary orbital tumor. And we're, we're calling it age two lymph like B cell lymph. And I'm like, cool. What does that mean? And they were like, you, you have, you have cancer, right?

And not good cancer. And I'm like, generally, generally I want to start on stage one, you know, like I feel like if you're going to get that diagnosis, you're going to skip a stage. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's always, that's probably tough news to, to swallow. So I'm going to, I'm going to try to do something about the dog. So we're going to go for a little adventure around my house.

Okay. Okay. So, um, so, yeah. So that was like one of the, um, biopsies that they did that day. They also, um, did biopsies on my lymph nodes and my neck. And, um, those results came a bit. See, there's my pretty mommy. I'm judging your home decor.

I, I, after labeling Mark Bankston, the tapestry king, I know I have now very. Oh yeah. I mean, I have like cows on my walls and like all crazy stuff going on here. Um, okay. So the lymph node biopsies came back, um, about two weeks later and those, uh, were significant masses. They were called and I'm like, okay, but they were a stage zero cancer. So with it being two weeks in between the two diagnoses, right?

We kind of had like this plan happening for, um, how we were going to treat the orbital tumor. And the properties of my orbital tumor were very, very similar to that of a thyroid cancer, which is why they chose to do a radioactive iodine treatment versus like targeted radio or radiation. Sorry. So when I find out that I have like the stage zero lymph node masses, they were like, all right, we're also going to add chemo to this like treatment plan.

And I'm like, uh, at the same time, and they're like, yeah, yeah, like they're going to run concurrently. And I'm like, okay, okay. Yeah, sure. Let's just, yeah, let's pile that on. And I'm like, does that mean like I have to come here every day? And they're like, no, no, no, you can take a chemo pill, right? And it's the best thing for, for you specifically, because like my grandfather had this thing

called prambosidopenia, which is like a form of leukemia. And like I'm predisposed to like have all of this like horrible shit that happened to my body. So I'm lucky, right? And I get to take these chemo pills every single day for five weeks. Very lucky. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm psyched about it.

Right. Of course. Compared to the alternative, you know, 50 years ago or whatever. Yeah. So all of this like, right. Like, and I'm doing this like during the radioactiv iodine treatment and like that, like basically you go and you tag took three pills and I sat there and then he did a little scan to make sure that like the radioactiv iodine like activated or whatever.

And then I came home and I went directly into isolation for a week and a half. Well, good thing we've had a lot of practice with that in the last few years. Yeah. And like, right. And like, that's how I had to explain it to my step kids. Like, guys, even when I'm like not locked in the room anymore, we're going to practice social distancing. And they're like, we know how to do that.

And I'm like, okay. It's like, thank you, COVID. Convenient but a bummer. That's bummer. Right. And they're just like, okay. Yeah. Right.

I have incredible Hulk COVID. We're used to lockdown is not the chance that you want. Right. Right. And they're just like, yeah, like we know how to social distance and we practice this at school and, you know, isolation is no big. And we talked to on FaceTime. We did that with our teachers for a year.

And I'm just like, what the fuck, these four children in seven years of life should not have had to go through this much shit. But anyway. So fast forward from the like, oh, you have this stage zero cancer to when I'm like talking to a social worker and a healthcare advocate. And my oncology team and right. Like this is the type of drug that you're going to be on. And by the way, Erica, your insurance doesn't cover it.

They're saying that it's not necessary. Right. Right. That's that's a thing. What? What? What? I thought that's why you're supposed to have insurance.

I didn't. I remember spending most of my life being told that if I don't have insurance, then a catastrophic health problem will wipe me out. Now, if I understand correctly, it doesn't fucking matter. It does not fucking matter. It does not. There we go. Right.

And like I work, I work in the violence intervention space. Right. And I, you know, there was a couple of years that I was like married to like the world's biggest asshole. And I got to a point that I needed to get like restraining orders and this kind of stuff. And like it was real shit thing to go through. But like I'm looking at this insurance thing. Like I'm looking at our domestic violence laws.

Like the cops were straight up like, no, Erica, there's not anything we can do until he hurts you. Sorry, we're not going to cover your chemo until you're literally on your deathbed. Yeah. Like is there a delineation point for when the insurance is like, okay, now this is necessary. Like maybe when it's like actual like takeover. Oh, it appears that you're bleeding from your nose. I think we can cover it now.

I can see drips of blood falling from your nose into your mouth. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Like, yeah, I don't know. Like you're, you're turning like a certain shade of yellow that like we have like on our colors.

We pay you yellow. That's the good yellow. Oh, that's the stuff. You don't want the greenish tense. That's we don't know. No, no, no. It's that real like like jaundice. Yellow, you know, yeah.

Yeah. It does seem a bit terrifying that an insurance like an actual insurance policy would treat like, you know, something like stage two cancer the same as like a cosmetic period. When they, when the word cancer shows up, they should be like, fine, we cover it. That feels obvious to me. Right. So that's like, then I like start looking through my policy. I'm like, I can go have like, like what are the, what's that surgery?

Like the, the lap band surgery and they would cover like a weight loss surgery, but not my fucking cancer. Hmm. I keep hearing about the, the BBL. Yeah. I keep hearing people reference that. Never heard of it. The Brazilian butt lift.

What is that? It's called. All right. Now we're talking. I keep, I keep seeing tweets. You keep seeing tweets about. Yeah. Like celebrities are doing BBLs.

Celebrities are you following? I'm not following anybody. Oh my God. This is a mess. We're learning so much about you. Oh my God. Twitter is the worst. It's a straight up dumpster fire.

Elon Musk is making me learn about BBLs. I don't know what's going on. That is an interesting choice for the man. I accept it. That almost feels cruel. The way that is designed. Yeah. Who is your insurance company?

Can we be mad at them? Is it blue cross blue shield? Oh, I'm not saying it's not, but I'm not saying that it is. Okay. So Jordan's a shit stirrer. I'm just, listen. When it comes to insurance companies,

I will drink their blood. I don't give a shit. So I mean, right. So like I think, I think like having cancer that like, may or may not kill me before my 38th birthday has taught me a couple of things. So like one, all right. So let's be fair.

Like on December 14th, right. Like my mom, 2012, my mom was murdered. Very shortly after that, I realized like, shit, you're, you're born to advocate, right? My cancer diagnosis definitely taught me that I'm just about done on guns. And I know what's coming next. The, um, the personal journey leads,

leads a bit of the advocacy. That's, uh, and I think that obviously, I mean, I am, I'm a walking fucking billboard for America's policy fails. Yeah, it does seem that way. Yep. And a lot of the times I think a lot of these issues, people have a difficult time grasping a lot of the,

a lot of them until they either happen to you or someone you love, and it becomes a lot more clear. And I think that maybe some of that is a difficult hurdle that, that we need to somehow figure out, um, how to, uh, work into the way we have these conversations. Yeah. It's very, it's very difficult not to, to force on, to focus on, you know, just like, what the fuck fucking,

what, what Jesus fucking Christ, I can't believe that anyone would allow this fucking shit to happen. What do we, what do we fuck, fuck? You know, like that's, it's insane. It's insane. Yeah. That screams from the rooftop, irritating. Like, yeah.

It's like a life or death version of that Seinfeld episode with the reservation, you know, you keep a reservation. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I have the reservation. Yeah. We don't have the, yeah. Yeah, it's very frustrating. To be insured about things.

But like, like you file those taxes and like, you can get fined if you don't have insurance. Why the fuck do I have insurance when they're like, you're going to be lucky to walk away only paying $100,000 out of pocket? $100,000? Like that's more than I'm making here. I work for a fucking non-profit.

Yeah. Like my job pays my bills, but it doesn't pay $100,000 in medical bills. Like I'm going to be in debt for the rest of my life because I had the audacity to get cancer. Well, I mean, that is on you. Yeah. At your age?

How could you? Yeah. How could you do that to us? I really fucked up. I really fucked up. Yeah. That kind of reality that like you can have insurance and still walk away with $100,000 in medical debt for, it just, I don't know.

Yeah. Just want to shake things like an etch a sketch. Especially. Just got to figure out like, because there is a better way. I mean, the stuff. Oh, man. Oh, boy. It seems like a system that we have.

There's no reason to be married to it. You know? If it's any child could look at it and be like, oh, no, absolutely not. Shake it over and start again. Yeah. Start from scratch. I'm realizing as I'm talking that your response is just

constantly, fuck it, fuck it, fuck it. In a moment, it's like, this is no good. Those are the two voices. Well, of that, of that activism and the like, I suppose now is a good time to get into the trial. You were the. Well, also on that note, on some level, I mean, if you're looking for some kind of a bright spot

or or some silver lining, like at least this didn't happen during COVID, like the worst part of COVID. And it didn't happen during the meat of the trial. Like that, I can't imagine like having to go through all the things that you've had to go through. I can't imagine that on its own. But then if you compounded all of that, that would be. I can't imagine.

Yeah, I had like, I had a solid two months. Before the like, before the cancer, after the trial. I mean, I did have to like, you know, mush in that like, past the little 10 year anniversary of Sandy Hook, but like, I had a solid two months to like, completely get my life and shit back together after the trial. Yeah.

Well, that's the right spot. Yeah, that is a small mercy, I suppose, from the universe. Yeah, I mean, could you could you talk a little bit about your experience there? Like on, you were at the, you were at the trial, right? Yeah, I missed one day. I did miss one day. Yeah.

I had no idea what to expect, right? So like, we didn't, all the families like met a couple blocks down and then we would walk to the courthouse together every morning. And it was like, I don't know, like picture like the fucking Oscars, right? And like, there's gates and just media. And it's like, you're walking the red carpet of death

into like, go deal with this shit, right? And as soon as you got like, a block away, like you just hear that like, click, click, click, click, click, click of the camera, which like, is so fucking triggering because we had to deal with that so much in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Like, how is the click of a camera going to trigger

my fucking PTSD? But it does. Oh, no, it makes perfect sense. Yeah. And just even the like, inordinate amount of attention, probably like is in some ways uncomfortable. It's interesting to me the way you're describing this, because we mentioned we were at the trial in Austin

and it was absolutely not like that. Dead. Like, well, maybe not totally dead, but definitely didn't have the, you know, lots of clicking cameras. And, you know, it was pretty. I mean, to a certain extent, I have a hard time not thinking that some of the fact that the Austin trial became so,

you know, public. It became so famously famous for like, it amped your media attention. The text message revealed totally. Yeah. All of the, all of the big, high drama moments almost certainly led to an increase of media attention because they're thinking, oh, well, we're going to get

the same fireworks from Connecticut. So sorry about that. That's my fault. Definitely all your fault. Yeah. But like also like, right, we're like, we're in Connecticut. We're, this is like the Sandy Hook community. You know, there are not many people, you know,

above a certain age that are like, oh, no, I have no idea where I was. Like at the time of the cityhood, it's like 9-11, right? Right. Like this was the 9-11 of gun violence. But yeah, just like the walking in was intense, right? Like I said, like I had missed one day. I think it was like the first Thursday I wasn't there.

And the only day, no matter how we like staggered or tried to walk not as a group, or we walked in like, not with our husbands or, you know, the family switched up to try to trick people. The only day I didn't get completely smoked with reporters is the day I caught 18 inches off my hair. Well, you learned a good trick. Man, I was like, I'm coming in with a short hair cut,

and they didn't even look at me. And I was like, I wish, I was like, I remember thinking like, oh, I should like shave my head for like the day of the verdict, right? So like they won't notice me. Right. And now I'm like, oh, fuck, I have cancer. I'm probably going to have to shave my head.

You could have gotten some practice with wigs. Yeah. You could have had all kinds of different wigs. Right. I know. Like, Could have gone with the Groucho Marks glasses. Yeah.

That would have worked. Missed opportunities. We're going to play sports, right? I know, right? Jesus. But yeah, I mean, actually like being in the courtroom was wild. Like I never paid attention to this fucking guy, right? Like I knew he was like some crazy fucking lunatic.

And I knew that I was being threatened and stalked and harassed and, you know, like literally tortured in my daily life because of him. But like couldn't tell you anything about him. Never went to, like I went to his website, I think one time, the first time I like connected the name Alex Jones to the show. And I was on the website for like 13 seconds before I was like, yeah, fuck that. That's not enough.

And nothing about him. So you know everything you need to know. Yeah. I mean, that was, that was enough for like seven lifetimes. Yeah. It was enough for seven lifetimes. You spent 13 seconds. The things that I learned about him.

Like the things that I learned about him during this trial, I'm like, how can anyone think of me fucking seriously? Yeah, it's hard to believe. Yeah. Yeah. Herman Frogs, gay. It is a little bit weird for us whenever we, we talk to people outside of our world where they go,

how could anybody believe it? And we're already so far past that we're like, ah, you're never going to convince people not to believe it. Like we're already on the other side of that. You can't fix these people. I have a slight nihilism about misinformation that, yeah, it's, it's, it's tough once it has an emotional appeal to people to, to really grasp the, the ways that things don't make sense.

Unfortunately. Yeah. But one thing, it's wild for sure. Must, one thing I think must have been like really nice or at least like it's something that came through, I felt with watching the trial, because we, we did watch the live streams. It seemed like there was like a real great solidarity among the plaintiffs. And that probably had to make all of that a little bit easier to bear.

I would assume. I would not have gotten through those weeks without the other families. Um, you know, like my husband or my sister would say, like, you know, we really don't want you to go to court alone. And I'm like, how the hell am I alone? Like I'm never alone when I'm with these families. Like I'm with my other family. You know what I mean?

Like I never once, even if it was just me walking in felt alone. You know, there was always a hand to hold or somebody passing me tissues or jolly ranchers or, you know, sneaking me a bottle of water. Um, it was, it was, it was really the bright spot of the trial. Right. Like we've all been so isolated and so tortured in our own forms of torture for so many years that like we really lost that connection if, if, if ever existed. And this really got the opportunity, gave us the opportunity to like

catch up and get to know what's going on with each other's lives and see, you know, the types of work that we've been doing and like, you know, like, I don't know. It's like a tragic class reunion. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and like listening to the testimony of the other plaintiffs, like I learned so much about my mom. I learned so much about like my own story that like I had blocked out,

but like the parts of their story that they were telling filled in gaps that I've been trying to fill for a decade. And I'm like, Oh my God. So that's how it happened. Oh my God. You were the guy that I, you know, handed the thing to you on that random date. Like it just connected so many pieces. Um, and yeah.

And like it was, it was really surreal. Yeah. Was there, was there pretty significant catharsis that came along with like at the end of that trial whenever everybody's there after the verdict? Like, did that culminate into something that all of you like celebrate a huge or was it more like a somber like finally we're done with this or? Um, I mean, right after the verdicts were read, we, we walked out of the courthouse and it was just like, we are, we are doing this and we are doing this together.

We all waited like in the lobby. We walked out at once and then there was like that, that little press conference. Everybody had the opportunity to speak and we were just like, so together in that moment. You know, and I feel so much more supported and we're supported in what's going on in my life currently as far as like my, my medical issues and all of that. So many of the families that I went through the trial with are contacting me on a near daily basis and had that trial not happened, had I not been on that plaintiff list with these families,

like I wouldn't have that support from these people who literally mean the world to me. That's, that's, that's really great. Yeah. You know, the, I mean, awful circumstances, but that's, that's so great. You know, I was thinking too that like that probably such a large part of that comes from y'all sharing such a unique kind of trauma, you know, a unique experience that is, you know, what is underlying the lawsuit itself of, you know, the denial of your loved one's existence and, and, and that that it's, you know, that's something that a lot of people probably have

no idea what that experience is like, but they do. And then I was thinking about it a little more and there are other people though too, you know, it's, it's kind of scary to think about that there are other folks outside of even just the loved ones of people who were killed at Sandy Hook, you know, who have had that experience as well. That's, man. Yeah. I mean, the only thing obviously, obviously worse than any of that is having to experience it alone.

So it is, yeah, I can't, I can't imagine that concept. But yeah, and I mean, there's been so many times that, you know, myself or one of the other plaintiffs would just be like, this isn't a money thing for us. It's never been a money thing for us. This is to ensure that we are doing everything we can possibly fucking think of to prevent other families of mass tragedy from having to deal with the fucking torture that we have for the past decade. And I would do it again in a heartbeat as much as it hurt as much as I had to put out there for the world and literally like expose the worst things that have ever happened

to me. I would, I would, I would do it again. That's, that's very, very brave. In the, since then, do you feel like the, the, do you feel like you're, you're done with this whole chapter, this whole Alex Jones thing, all of this noise, you've, you've finished it? I know, obviously you're shaking your head. Oh no, that look. I very much kind of knew the answer to that question beforehand, but I was, you know, I hope spring's eternal.

Well, you're a, you're a creditor now, right? Yeah. Well, that's the, yeah, the bankruptcy. Yeah. Yeah. So there's, there's that. Yeah. I mean, I meant not more, not many, meaning that, but like, you know, psychologically, this experience of, do you feel like you won? That's more, I think, what I'm, what I'm asking. That face doesn't say yes either. That's. No, so like, I look at this, like this, this is a multifaceted thing for me, right? So Alex Jones will forever be in my life. He has imprinted the worst of the world into my brain

and shown me the true depths of hell that exists on this earth, and he will be forever part of my story because of the horrible actions that he took after my mother was gone down in the hall of an elementary school, right? He was found liable for all of the horrible shit lies that he spread. I was able to have my day in court and hold an accountable for those lies, but that's not going to be the end of Alex Jones. He is, he's, he's a fucking monster and he's not going to stop. Yeah, that's something that Jordan has stressed over and over and over again. There is no stop. And, and it's his cult following, right? So like, even if Alex Jones never says,

Eric Lafferty, again, it doesn't matter because he's already put it in the brains of God only knows how many humans, right? Like when they were breaking down the impressions during the trial, I was just like, no fucking wonder. I'm agoraphobic. Right. I didn't know the true scale of how many people were an asshole to me. Seriously, like there are that many fucking assholes in the world. Yeah. And it's like, okay, well, like, and that was like so like, like almost like satisfying to me. Like I am not crazy in the fact that I'm terrified to walk into a grocery store. I am not crazy that I've moved five times since the shooting. I am not crazy that I travel under an alias. I am not crazy that I lease cars so that

I don't have to have taxes owed in my fucking name. Yeah. Publishing my address like, like they could be it could be anyone anywhere. And you like, I never know. And like seeing that like true scale was really fucking validating. Yeah. But also pretty fucking scary. Yeah. Yeah. Because there's that many people in the world that think like I'm fucking lying. Yeah. And it's not just that they think that you're lying. It's that by the nature of the lie, you are like running a con on the country in order to facilitate like a one world order takeover. Like, essentially, it's, I mean, the accusation of the lie is so much more severe than just like you're lying to people. Yeah. It's not it's not just that oh, they that Alex says, oh, this is something that's not true.

It's that something that's not true is part of you are a murder cult. Yeah, you're an agent. You know, yeah, you are you are part of the the group killing the entire world. Yeah. So that justification allows people to indulge in the absurd amount of abuse they've spewed at you over the past. And it's crazy. Like, right? Like, there are people who I went to high school with that have straight up questioned whether or not my mom was killed. And I'm like, you fucking knew my mom. Wow. Yeah. That. You know, that's that's one of those though that you're like, oh, the human brain is just fucked up a ball. You know, you can really just get in somebody's brain and change things in a way that I don't think any of us are really kind of prepared prepared to deal with the

the truth of that. And I think a lot of people misunderstand the idea of like if there's smoke there's fire kind of like if a hundred people are talking about there's a must be something to it. Yeah. You know, I think I think people can get twisted on that a little bit. Yeah, there's something to be said for group thing. Yeah, it was just it was a wild, wild, wild experience. And like the day the one day the man had the balls to walk into the courtroom. Yeah. Like, I made damn sure that I was like on the defendant's side of like the bench and I went there was I gave his two like giant security guards that were paid like 80 grand to fucking be there. I gave them like six inches of space to share. Right. And I'm just like,

hmm, right back to you. Nice. You know, and I'm like, he gets up and he testifies and Maddie's all like, you know, being bad ass Chris Maddie and Jones is like, you know, fucking the head veins and neck veins and like all right. And Chris like he would he would slam something down on Jones and then turn around and look at our families and just smirk. Like I wish the live stream showed that like I think it came out in his tone a little bit. I think I think there was a little smirk you could you could ascertain if not visually. Yeah, generally he was very calm and even killed. But there was there was definitely times when you're like, yeah. See, here's the difference between you and Erica Jordan is that she bullied these security guards, whereas you

refused to sit next to them because you were scared. No, I invited them to sit next to me and then got very scared and sweat. Oh, okay. So the story that what happened was I was in the court. I was seated at the very back pew to avoid bringing attention to my useless self. Well, and Mark Banks said there was only one seat for one of us up front and I took president. So I had to I had to sit in the back and his his security guards came over and they stood right next to me and I turned and I was like, oh, you guys are those guys. You want to sit right next to me? And then I realized that that was a terrible idea because they immediately moved away and then they dispersed they dispersed around the room and then just started staring back at me

at regular intervals. So I got so nervous that I started to sweat through my entire shirt all the way down. Oh, all the way down. There's a heavily mocked. Yeah. Yeah. With about four inch pit sweats. Yeah. Oh, the expert the expert witness on journalism made fun of me. That's it was a day. It was a whole day. It was a whole day. Yeah, no, but I was just like I was like, yeah, here if I get 250 pound men, you get six inches to share. And then I kept like scooting closer and then like Jones gets off the stand and Jones gets off the stand and they're all like with their little like looking earpieces and they're like, we got to go. We got to rush him out of the courtroom and I'm like, I'm sorry. Do you think that I'm a threat to him? I'm fucking five four.

That's probably how they like experience it. Yeah. And some level you probably are quite a threat. If not physically, big bad air clarity. Well, what is five inches or five feet and four inches of her. She's coming for you. But what if Alex accidentally has a feeling looking at you and feels regret or something? Yeah, that's a danger. That could ruin the entire gig. So I had one question. Oh my God. So there was one day. Hold on. No, because I'm going to do this. Yeah, shut up. You will regret it. Sorry. There's one day, right? And it's raining and I'm walking into court and Alex is there and his security guys like I'm under the umbrella, right? And he's like walking through like our little like red carpet of death, like in between like the gates

or whatever into the courthouse. And Alex walks in and the security officers are like holding me out in the rain and mind you like I have curly hair. I said it was it was when before I cut the 18 inches. So it was like down to the bottom of my back. I blow dried and straightened my fucking hair and they're trying to hold me out in the rain to wait for Alex Jones. So I literally made a point with my hands and spread his security guard. And I was like, I'm not waiting in the rain for that fucking asshole. And I'm like, you paid $80,000 for these giant bitches. Let me just walk through that. That's assault. I think $35,000 was the umbrellas. They're very expensive umbrellas. Oh my God. I can't. He's out there with a book like, fuck you, Alex. I had a great moment

where there's a picture from the Austin trial of Alex and his lawyer, and you know, Rinal. And Alex has a piece of tape on his mouth. And I think it said like First Amendment or something like that. And I saw him put the tape on his mouth. And he was posing with his lawyer. And like, I see that picture and I know that like, maybe four or five feet away, I am standing with another person who was a listener of our show who was at the trial. And I'm just like, look at this asshole. Just pointing at him standing alone with tape he put on his own mouth. Yeah. I can't. I can't. The question that I was going to ask before Jordan very rudely interrupted. I was going to say not rudely. I'm pretty sure it was me screaming,

like, I'm going to lose this and you'll regret it. It was my fault. I think this one is the rude one. I think one of the things that sticks out the most from the trials outside of, you know, the family members and apply other plaintiffs testimonies was Norm Pattis's theatrics, perhaps. And I didn't know how one would take some of the things that he said because a lot of it was very offensive. And I like direct attacks at us. I couldn't understand because I've, you know, we've not spoken before today, really. And I don't know how someone in your position would take something like, is this awful or is it almost like, like surreal on a, I can't believe this person level. So I wish what I wish you could have seen is like how he was in the time leading up to the

start of court because I sat in the front row almost every day. I sat as close to like his side as I possibly could as many days as I could. There was like one of his like, fucking Pattis pony hairs like hanging off the back of his chair for the entire trial. But anyway, he would be like, Oh, you're here alone today. Or Oh, like to me in one of the soda sisters, like, are you guys the sisters? And I'm like, no, you know, damn well, that we're not the sisters. Wait, wait, wait, I'm sorry. Norm was misidentifying you in court. Correct. Correct. All right. All right, good. Also the way the way you're one day, I have to, I have to just make sure that you're not implying that he was being flirtatious.

He probably could have been. It sounded like it could have like one interpretation of the way you were describing this is like almost flirtatious. But like, I don't know, because then there was the day that he talked to me about his wife, the fucking psychiatrist. If anyone needs to be married to a psychiatrist, it is not fucking bad as let me just say that for the record. But he tells me that his wife has like barely spoken to him in months for taking this case. Why would you tell me that sir? Because he's a real piece of shit. I think he probably thinks it bolsters like his integrity or something like this that like, I have consequences for standing up for no, he was showing off to you. Probably. Yeah.

He was trying to get you to like him. Also, he was like, oh, yeah, my wife, she's a psychiatrist. And I was like, oh, that's lucky for you. And I just turned my fucking head. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you have a lot of problems with the insurance business, but Norm has some problems with the woke insurance. Yeah. The behavior that he was allowed to get away with like the shit that what was it? It was Maya, the shit that she let him get away with. When it was like in the morning, you would hear her get the lawyers together and be like, Norm, here's all the shit you can't do. And then at the trial, she'd be like, hey, I told you not to do that. And then eventually she just stopped stopping him.

You know, like there were so many times like what was it like to experience him essentially saying the same shit Alex was? Yeah. I mean, it was, it was wild, right? And like, there was so much that like, like about me personally, that we couldn't talk about because of like the nature of my work and the nature of my volunteer work. And the fact that Owen makes this whole fucking video like, oh, fuck you, Lafferty, you know, and like, like that couldn't even be presented into evidence because it was too political. Right? Right? Like right. They didn't want they didn't want the fact that they didn't want the fact that so many, if not all of the the family members of the and people at the at the trial have charitable

or the organizations work for nonprofits, you know, do all the well, they will allow for the most part. Well, they did not want a lot of the reality by claiming that you were trying to take everyone's guns is somehow like that was still something that norm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's still fine. No, no, no, that's totally yeah. And like that was totally and then like during like the redirect and my testimony that like back and forth with me and Maddie, like, do you know his stance on this? No, do you care? No, do you know his stance on this? No, do you care? No. And that was just like, oh, highlight of the trial for me was just me and Maddie going back and forth like boom, boom, boom, like I'm here in the Rocky theme. Great. Right?

Running up and down the court steps. Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, banks in to he came up and I was just like, Oh, my God. Yeah, Mark's Mark is pretty fun. Yeah, neat dude. The thing with norm that I thought was the worst and maybe you'd agree or disagree was the like directly implying that you all were exaggerating your grief. Yeah. That I thought was almost inexcusable in an opening or closing statement in any context. I mean, in a private conversation where no one else but him is talking to a mirror that is fucked up to do. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, you know, and he like he like balanced that with like her grief is because her mom was murdered. But he's saying the mom, my mom wasn't murdered. Her grief is being exaggerated. Her life really

isn't, you know, that impacted. Bro, I was on the stand testifying about the fucking rate threats that were sent to me when Alex Jones was holding court outside with the press, trying to fucking pitch his book. He didn't have a copy of his book out there. Yeah. Yeah. He walked into court with it. Like, yeah. Yeah, you're telling me that I'm exaggerating about trauma about rate threats. Yeah, I still don't. I'm still not able to quite hang with how much shit he was allowed to get away with, especially with all the tut tutting that was going on immediately fall. Hey, we told you this is not a good idea to do. You shouldn't have done that. Like, yeah, we're way past I shouldn't have done shit. Come on now. Right. But then, like,

if Costco for Maddie ever fucking did that, like, it would have been a whole different story, but it's just like, Oh, Norm's norm. Yeah, all him. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck you. That's your job. Yeah. You're supposed to control him. You don't play by the rules. So we can't. So there's nothing she can do. Yeah. Like, what are you fucking talking about? Oh, boy. Well, we know your client's not going to not going to listen. So like, if that was me up there, like, she wouldn't just be like, Oh, yeah, well, do your best to get her listening, Maddie. Yeah. She just gals a lot. What are you going to do? Yeah. And I mean, like, it's so interesting the amount of poise and patience that judge Bell is showed, like, I wouldn't have been able to do it. But like, well, what do you do

when you have someone who's so Chris Maddie, someone who's so Norm paddice? Like, what do you do when you're trying to balance that? You know what I mean? I feel like Judge Bell is with this like fucking preschool teacher, like trying to rip the asshole kids apart. Like, yeah, I like they are so different. Visually, stylistically, just everything. I mean, the problem, the problem really is he's done so much norm that in a regular real life trial with real human beings involved, he wouldn't be allowed. He would be kicked off. He wouldn't be allowed to do this. But because Alex is there, Alex, there's just no one else who will do it. And they won't just be like, fine, trial over because norm sucks so bad, you lose because norm

sucks. That's why he tried to quit. Yeah, that's true. That's something that they pretend that didn't happen. Alex and both seem to have forgotten. I have the honor of representing Mr. Jones, the honor. I hate to be I hate to be disrespectful at all. And I hope this doesn't come off that way. But when I was watching the trial and I saw when it got to the verdicts, I believe it was Robbie Parker was the first name read. And I didn't know what to expect, but I thought maybe a couple million. And when it was as high as it was, I blurt laughed sitting alone in my apartment because it was just like it was such a tension release and a like I found it amazing. Yeah. We were both we were both waiting for it to be way too low. We were both waiting

for them to be like, oh, there's a fucking disagreement in the jury because of some asshole or any number of things. Yeah. Whatever pessimism. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, we're just so used to not seeing consequences for anyone. I mean, the problem, of course, now being is that the consequences are very, very slow. Yeah. But yeah, whenever, whenever the slow that they might in fact kill me. That's the other thing I appreciate that you are revealing how stupid and pointless and useless our medical system is our insurance system, the legal system, the bankruptcy system, the I don't know, you're probably not paid enough. So the nonprofit system, any number of different like why, why are you still a nice person?

That seems absurd to me. If you, there's no villain origin story better. I feel like you could, if you had control of weather weapons, you've got free license. What if, hold on, hear me out on this. Yeah. What if this chemo gives you superpowers? Oh, shit. Then you can turn evil. Then you can turn evil. Yeah. You get full license from Knowledge Fight to turn evil. Yeah, we'll allow it. You're a raptor princess. Oh my God. I love this. I love this. And I'm going to, I'm going to spin off this. Like I, oh, okay. So one of the other St. Hook apprenticeships was like, Erica, you totally need to get a journal and you need to start like writing things down. I am going to write my evil villain story in my fucking journal.

Hell yeah. Because it Jordan is right. I mean, like there are lesser wrongs that have created comic book villains. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So have you been, have you been following along too much with the ongoing bankruptcy stuff? Have you been getting regular updates or are you kind of just like, let that be handled by other people? So our, our legal team does, like they'll send an email anytime something like big ish happens and they're just like, Hey, family meeting. And we'll hop on a doom. They'll explain the things that we should be retaining. And they're like, we'll let, you know, if you need you to do something kind of thing. I was doing a better job of keeping up with stuff

until no, that's a fucking lie. Fair, fair. I was like, I was really trying. But then I was like, well, it was really only until like, it was like that first month, right? Like, because, you know, the trial ended and then it's like, I had a couple of weeks to breathe and I was like, kind of paying attention. But then it's like, we're rolling into Thanksgiving. I get slammed with the 10 year and now my tumor thing and you know, like my life just completely batshit. With perfect circumstances, this is still even complicated to keep up with. I can't, I can't even imagine trying to, trying to carry that. But it's got to be still just like, like even if you're not following, it's still just got to be annoying. I imagine that like,

that this is still lingering. It just won't, it like, it won't end. It just won't end. So like, I, it haunts me that I have this narcissistic, sociopathic, horrid, ragey, vodka drink monster that owes me like a hundred million fucking dollars. And I am crowdfunding for life saving treatment so that I don't die before I turn 38. That is the reality that I'm living in right now. And it's like, it takes me a lot to hate someone. I am not going to lie and say like, I didn't hate Alex Jones. I fucking despise the man. But now, give me those evil powers. Oh, it doesn't, it doesn't take much for me to hate people. And believe me, it goes far beyond Alex Jones in this whole situation. You've, you've been failed by

beyond the number of people that I can even comprehend. And I hate all of them. So that helps. If that helps, then I give you permission. You got the wrath of Jordan. Yeah. I mean, it's absurd. If I think about it, if I think about it for too long, I really start to go blind. And like, it really does make me very, very, very, very angry. And I think one of the problems to like, especially as it relates to this bankruptcy, and, and even to some degree, like the trial stuff, like it's what, what the person who obviously is to be hated, Alex, is doing is exploiting things that are meant to protect like well intentioned people, you know, who get caught in these systems, you know, like,

yeah, you know, the various legal loopholes and chapter five or sub chapter five protections and reorganization of businesses. It's just malicious abuse of these things that are meant to protect people. And it's just fucking stupid. Like, here's, here's my theory. All right. As far as the list of creditors goes, whoever has cancer is the number one creditor and gets taken care of immediately. Like, I feel like that's simple. If you've got an emergency, just do that first. It's an emergency. You can handle all the other shit later. Why would you ever think that you should be allowed for a year of bankruptcy court to go on? That's fucking insane. Yeah, that could be. Yeah. Is there people to call? No, they don't give a

fuck. They're lawyers. They'll just send a letter saying stop calling us because they're the people who can do shit. I'm doing all right. I'm okay. And meanwhile, like I have this GoFundMe and I am sending a personal thank you to every, every single donation that comes in. I am still working full time. I have my husband. I have five siblings. I have my grandmother who like bless her sweet little heart. Like I talked to as much as humanly possible. I have a five asshole dog, my three step kids, right? Like the house and I'm trying to do all of these things. But I'm at the same time, like fundraising is my top priority to not die. Despite the fact that this asshole is like $40,000 a month isn't enough to live on. Fuck off, Alex Jones. Yeah, if I think about that too hard,

I start to go blind. Yeah. He should auction off one of those umbellos his security guards had. Oh boy. Give it to the GoFundMe. Yeah, no kidding. Hey, in the budget, we can afford $100,000 every month for security. But we're going to have to figure out the creditor situation later on. Sorry. Sorry about that, Erica. It is such a difference between like the... Good luck with the cancer kid. Right? Yeah. Because he has, you know, he has all these resources and it sucks. It is. It sucks. Bananas. Bananas. But I'm glad, you know, at least in the, you know, sense that there is some positive that people are supporting and rallying around. Although, just today, I believe there was that Vox article that came out and you're talking about how,

you know, there's this bitter sweetness. I believe it's vice. Oh, vice. Yeah. Yeah. There's this bitter sweetness of the, you know, that you are getting support. And then at the same time, it's predicated on your mother being murdered. Yeah. And that is so hard to wrestle with that reality. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and it's fucking crazy, right? Like, I've been living my life on this very public platform for the past decade. I was thrown into that. I didn't really have a fucking choice. That gave me what I need to survive. It gave me name recognition. And it gave me, I mean, I don't know how else to say this. Like, if I didn't happen to be the daughter of a victim of a high profile mass shooting,

people wouldn't give a fuck. And I would not be able to raise the $100,000 that I need to survive this. That is just a fact of life, right? So like, there's two crazy things here. There's one, a reason that I almost feel I need to be thankful that my mom was murdered, which is fucked up all in its own. And two, it's largely in part because of Alex Jones, that I have found any sense of external support, right? Because without Alex Jones, there would not be you two without you two, there wouldn't be the Wongs. Without the Wongs, there wouldn't be the $20,000 spike in my GoFundMe. Well, if it weren't for Alex, maybe we would have had gun control and we wouldn't be here. That's kind of one of those situations where I recognize those kinds of cognitive dissonance

aspects to it. It's kind of literate, like literature kind of irony, perhaps, but it's still like, it's too much credit to give him. Yeah, it's none of him. It's in spite of him. It is actively against his wishes and his will. Right. And like, I love that. And I love that because there are other people in this world that feel about Alex Jones, how I feel about Alex Jones, that I am getting the support that I desperately need. Well, we're thrilled to be at any part of that. It's great. I mean, I think one of the things that's been really wonderful about doing this as a whole is being able to in some way take something that is so awful, which is Alex and his content and transmute it into something that can be positive for folks. And that, I mean,

that definitely never was what I expected. But it's so, it's so fantastic. And it's a testament to the listeners. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Oh, no, when I started comedy, I was planning on talking about my penis for the rest of my life. Yeah, I was going to be like, this will do it. This is going to take me to the top. I have the most interesting penis. So fucking interesting. It'll fuel a comedy career. And here we are doing maybe the thing that is most honorable that I can think of to do in my life. So I am grateful to the wonks more than anybody else. Definitely. Oh, my God, the best collection of humans. That guilt, though, is so fascinating to me. I don't want to press on it. But I've been thinking about that since I read that article that that that dynamic of

you know, something that is the, you know, the trauma of your life. Also being so, so I look like it's fascinating. And then at the same time, there's that offshoot of it that you had that is the if it weren't for this, you wouldn't be in a position where people were rallying around and giving support. And I mean, I think obviously there's such a tragedy that's built in about the insurance system. And then I don't know how do we create something where people who aren't in your position who need help get that help. Yeah. I mean, really what what we're talking about here is you wouldn't need none of this would be necessary. You wouldn't even be feeling this if we had a medical system that fucking functioned, you know, like we wouldn't be here. You wouldn't have to

feel grateful towards any of this bullshit. It would be taken care of because you're a human being that are like everybody fucking else, you know. And so it is it is a tragedy not of anybody's individual actions so much as it is the entirety of society is organized wrong. I think I spent after my mom was murdered 10 years trying to reduce the number of gun deaths and injuries that we see in this country. And I think this just gives me a focus for my next decade or several. Better be. That's fantastic. I think we'll all look forward to seeing, you know, what what comes out of that and what advocacy is it follows. And I think I feel like we just got to find obscure go fund maze. That's what we should do. Maybe

maybe you should just dig and find obscure go fund maze and try and help people. I know my husband and I were saying like anything, right? So like we opened this whole separate checking account and like every single penny from the go fund is going in there. Plus like the we have like the did you guys see my wristband? Lafferty Lafferty the lymphoma. That's great. That's great. Fucking what? Yeah. Lead play. Many of the wonks, right? So many of the wonks have been like emailing Lafferty the lymphoma like at gmail.com to like get the fucking wristbands or whatever. I'm like, so all this money, right? It's going directly into this other like medical specific account. And my husband and I keep saying like, okay, as soon as I'm like,

they're like, okay, you are cancer free kid. We are going to like hunt through all of the go fund maze and find the situation most similar to mine and just donate 100% of whatever is left. And I cannot wait to be the person that the wonks have been to me and just relieve the stress. And that's not super villain shit. What are you doing? You need to be building machines to take over the world. What is wrong? That's for my journal and not for act two. Okay, there we go. No, I think you're on act four by now. Honestly, you've got a lot more acts than anybody can imagine. You've got tightest Andronicus level of acts going on here. So I'm so grateful for your generosity with your time. This is it's been really nice to talk to

you. It's been amazing. I have one other question though. I do notice we used to have a phone number that was our call in line that I was trying to find an anagram. You're going to ask the same one. I was going to ask the same question. But anyways, keep going. The only thing that I could find as a phone number that made a words was tat guys. And so Jordan and I decided we were the tat guys for a little while because we both have tattoos. Yeah. And I saw in your arm, you have some prominent tattoos. And I was wondering, like, if you had any that were particularly like, I was legitimately waiting for the chance to ask you this question. He got there first, that ass. All right. So this one is probably my favorite. It's my mom's signature.

Oh, on your heart and smiley face. Yep. So this was left on a note that said, dear sweet baby Erica, please stop drinking right now. You're scaring me. Silly face, harsh mommy. You didn't get the whole message tattooed on your hand. And then yeah, so this is my mom's quote. Be nice to each other. It's really all that matters. I used to have rubber. Well, I still have rubber wristbands that say it, but I got sick of like, so it's just like there. I have an apple. And then this is like, allow yourself to fly and fly high are things that like my mom frequently says to me in dreams. Hi is my nephew's birthday.

Is that fly high middle finger? Fly high motherfuckers. Exactly. So all right. This is the sleeve. Oh, wow. Nice. That's Axel and Jinx. Those are these are the dogs. Action and Roxy. Yeah. That's beautiful. I still have one getting jealous. It's like right by the camera right here. Brooklyn and Bella still need to get worked in. And then I have disarmed. Hey, I got that after the Pulse nightclub shooting. I have so many. Is there something that the dogs have to do to qualify for tattoo status? Is there like, you know, have to become raptor princesses, of course. I feel like maybe it's like a sainting thing. Do they have to perform a miracle? Yeah, three posthumous miracles in order to be eligible.

I mean, if it was up to me, like, you know, if I had like the money that Alex Jones owed me, I would get every dog I ever saw in my life tattooed on my body. I probably have to gain like 5 million pounds. And I would also need the money that I'm owed to be able to afford it. To do that. Yeah. To gain 500 pounds. You're going to get that. Yeah. And, you know, live long enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, no. So I'm I can really get behind cat guys. Yeah. Awesome. Our phone number doesn't work anymore. No, no one should call that. Yeah. I was like, it's pretty impressive though. I saw, I saw, I think it was maybe an interview that you did. And I saw also the sleeve of tattoo. And I was like, that I for some reason,

I saw you testify and I just never thought sleeve of tattoo. It doesn't, it didn't come off. So my lawyers were like air cut. There are some really conservative people. Oh, you're going to have to cover up now. You need to not look like you. And I'm like, oh no. You can't be a tat gal. It's 2020 goddamn two. Okay. I was like, I have three tattoos on a hand, like on my Bible hand, bro. I can't hide them. Yeah. Jordan has a has a hand as well. Yeah. I got a full hand tattoo, which I wedding ring. I can hide mine. Yeah. My, my, my tats are very yeah. I have both hands. Yeah. I'm like, I can't hide like I'm my hands. I can't. So yeah. I was all like principal daughter that day and not like the hell you in that the principal actually raised.

The one that can't drink. Well, we should probably wrap this up because we've been, we've been, we've been going for almost a good hour and a half. Yeah. So, you know, I don't want to take up your whole day, but thank you so much for chatting with us. This is, I never would have imagined in a million years when we started this podcast that we would end up having a friendly conversation, sort of not that it would be unfriendly. I was going to say, what was the other alternative? Like very formal. Sure. Okay. Makes more sense. Yeah. Kind of conversation with, you know, a plaintiff in the Sandy Hook case. It just, it seems like everything is very surreal. And we have a lot of respect and admiration for what you've gone

through and how you've, you know. And we're grateful to have played the small part that we have in a positive way. It was not a small part. And I don't give me that don't compliment us bullshit because like you guys did a really good thing. We did a terrible thing. And that is that we don't publicize or like promote ourselves at all. And so that's probably why you had no idea we existed at, you know, times when you could have enjoyed tweeting someone put me in touch with them. And I was like, wait, why don't I just have Bankston? Yeah. Yeah. We're good buddies. He snitched my private email. No less. Oh, at least it's not public. At least he didn't release it on a docket somewhere. That's true. He didn't like quote tweet me and be like, here it is.

Oh, that was a good timing. Thank you. Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if you have anything else that you want to promote, but we'll add a link. I know that a lot of our listeners have already found your go fund me, but we'll add a link to that. And absolutely. Yeah. And I mean, we just got a fresh batch of Lafferty V limfoma rinse, crisp bands in. I love the only problem that I have is that it's yellow. Yeah. Right. Isn't that? Yeah. Yeah. It's the color of my specific cancer. That makes sense. Okay. That Trump's lance strong. Yeah. Yeah. All right. He's a cheater. I mean, I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. So for the hookup on those Lafferty V limfoma at gmail.com.

Thankfully, our audience is good at spelling. Yeah. Limfoma in any email addresses. That's a recipe for things going to the workplace. I hope nobody has Lafferty V limfoma because they're going to get a lot of emails recently. Well, I hope. Yeah. Well, and it's all over the socials and all that stuff. They've found me on there and they have been coming in droves with the love and positivity and I will be eternally grateful to all of them. Awesome. We are grateful for them as well. Well, hopefully we'll talk again sometime down the road. Yeah. Maybe like pre-evil transition. Yeah. Yeah. That'd be great. Yeah. If you need someone to like workshop some evil plans with... Oh, I'm so good at it. Yeah. We're

good at punch up. All right. So I'm just going to start like taking random pictures when I'm not drinking, mom, of the journal, the evil journal and just sending them off to that private email address that I have. Perfect. Okay. To just like, just like slip all ideas, you know. Awesome. Okay. For my evil takeover. Sure. Sounds good. Yeah. We have an eye for narrative, especially for comic book characters. We can make this work. All right. So we won't draw this because my husband's going to spangle over this. Thank you so much, Erica. Thank you. Take care. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.