Knowledge Fight - #831: Tucker, The Man And His Twitter- Episode 4

Episode Date: July 24, 2023

Today, Dan and Jordan explore a very bullying and transphobic episode of Tucker Carlson's Twitter show that leaves both of them confused. Click here for tickets for the live show in London

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and it was a lot of fun. Got some cacti, some little desert flowers and what have you. It's nice, I'm thinking about making a bit of décor out of these mini blocks. Because quite frankly, it is just a great time to make them. And they're small enough that it's not like six hours. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it's meditative though.

It's kind of, it kind of, it feels like you're, I don't know what it is. It's your bonsai tree. Is it, I mean, I have one that is a bonsai tree. Well, see, there you go. That's literally what you're talking about. There's something toai tree. Is it, I mean, I have one that is a bonsai tree. Well, see there you go. That's literally what you're talking about then. There's something to it, like pretty simple instructions, although I will say mostly just based on drawings. And so like sometimes you can look at those instructions

but I don't know what the fuck you're asking me to do. But generally, you know, just kind of a calm putting together this thing. Sure. So I'm gonna, I think I'm gonna explore a bunch of them. I don't know what I'll do, because some of them I probably wanna build and then don't wanna keep around the house.

I am desperately hoping now that I'll walk in some day, and you'll just be like, I've decided to turn this room into a rock garden. I am putting in all sand, I'm making it as purely, and you'll have a Lego rake that you'll kind of make through. Oh yeah, that's the way to do it. No, I mean, I don't wanna go go too far because I have, I have that tendency

in me to dive in a little bit too much. There is that in the dreamy, creamy direction. But yeah, I like these succulents quite a bit. I have a world map, a Lego world map, mini block world map. Interesting. You can hang on the wall that I'm going to be doing. Okay, okay. So it's not a world map of wear. It's a map of the world. Yeah. Making out of legos. Yeah.

And it's big enough to hang on the wall. Yeah. And then you can put little, like Lego pieces where you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. little like Lego pieces where you right right yeah yeah to like a little yeah yeah like a pin yeah it's very cool I have one of those that's that's gonna be a giant project yeah I can't

even imagine how many pieces that is I'm excited you're about to put the little red dot on Glasgow right oh yeah Glasgow I might put two on that island yeah um but uh yes that's a... Legos. Yeah. What's your bright spot?

Perfect. I, uh, too fold, too fold today. You're a glutton for bright spots. I love it. Yeah. Well, I mean, one of them has always racially been announcing a different show. So as April 1st, 10th.

And the other one is... No, the other one is the Venture Brothers. Okay. The Venture Brothers ended. They released the movie. I feel like it's been on the air for 20 years. 20 years. Wow, yeah.

20 years. I thought that had gone away already, quite frankly, because I just, it wasn't a show that I ever really watched. I'd caught some here and there. Right. Yeah, for some reason I thought it'd been gone for 10 years. Oh, I think it was canceled like five years ago. And, but I mean, that's the way that they've always worked

is over 20 years they've put together like eight seasons, well, seven season and then this movie. And they've been spread out. So all of a sudden they'll go four years without an entire season, you know? That's just how they've worked. That must be why. Yeah, what?

And it enters in and out of consciousness a little bit. Absolutely. It's one of my favorite shows ever. And they're commitment to only doing the thing that they believe is as good as they can make it. That's, I mean, it's amazing, you know? It's like the anti-South Park. They're not like, oh, let's put it out in a day.

No, they're like, we'll see you the six years at least get out of here. Shots fired at the South Park. Yeah, whatever. What's the point of even criticism or not? One thing I think I'm glad about, and I apologize to any South Park fans. I'm just kidding. One thing I'm really glad about is that I never got really into something.

Yeah, I know, right? I watched some of it and I thought like, it's a little preachy, but it makes some good points here and there. Sometimes it's kind of funny. I think the movie, the only thing I remember about the movie is that song, What Would Brian Boytono Do? I mean, it's a catchy fucking song. It is.

You can't take that away from them. Yeah. They wrote a catchy goddamn song. Yeah, they're good at music. They are really good at music. They're really good at musicals. Maybe better at that than political points. Uh, uh, Bob's burgers is better.

Yeah. Uh, I could have gone down a very cynical angry path that I have been to into them. Yeah, I think that could have ended up like goddamn libertarian or something. Yeah. Anyway, uh, Oh, and the same brothers, I'll give that a shot.

I'll give that a, I'll give that, because if there's eight seasons of it, that means there's plenty to dive into and that could be helpful. So I don't have any more survivor to watch. I'm, I'm telling you, it's just, it's just a great show. It's a great show because it starts off with your basic Johnny Quest kind of send up. And then they are so committed to character development. It's beyond what, you know, every season, every single season, each character changes permanently.

Do you know what I mean? And that goes on throughout the entire series. There's continuity. There's never any situation where it's like oh this character Stay static or there's the traditional TV, you know instant change. We learned a lesson right back to you know baseline It's always been a a narrative movement and it's really really it's an achievement great Congratulations. Yeah, good for the good good good good on you Jackson public and dock dock hammer. Sure. Congratulations. Those aren't real names. Uh no they are not real names. Oh okay good. Yeah. No they're not real names. Okay. Hey we agree.

So your second bright spot. My second bright spot Dan is that the tickets are available today. Yep. Uh for the London show. In the description of the episode, we'll have the link to the tickets for the folks can buy London tickets. And I don't know if we have actually announced it, but the QED people will announce it today. We're doing a live show for at the QED. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I didn't realize that. Oh you didn't? We've talked about this so many times. I thought that that was the London show. Oh, no, the London show is not that.

We do not have... First of all, this is great evidence that we don't have meetings. No, this is good. This is good. This is great. I've tried to explain. I understood that there was discussion of doing a show with QED. And I know that that had been something

that we had talked about. Sure. But I thought that that was London. I didn't realize that. So we have three shows total. We have three shows total. Four, if you count my lecture at QED, my speaking engagement.

I won't be riffing during that. No, just be you, so. Yeah, although you might feel the spirit from backstage or the audience and scream something out of you. No, just be you. Yeah, although you might feel the spirit from backstage or the audience and scream something. Sure, sure. But yeah, the QED one is available only to people who have tickets to the festival or the conference. Right. So if you'd like to attend QED one of the things that is going to be available for you is a live one of our show.

And it's in Manchester, and that's difficult for me because I've told you a bunch of times. All I want to do is do an episode about Oasis. Something you want to do. But the Gallagher's haven't been on Oasis's release to the album. What? Together?

No. Of course not. What? It's like I know that they've gone their separate ways and he has like the flying Vultures or whatever the fuck BDI I think is one of their bands. I think that's I think it's made a Released officially under a wasis but with like a a subtitle asterisk. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, wait a second You know what you know what oasis is now. Mm-hmm. You've read the fucking news assholes Yeah, and I just want to bother the people in Manchester quite frankly because I'm sure they're tired of hearing about it Yeah, probably tired of hearing about Oasis. I mean, I'm Americans coming over and being like

To the back and anger was amazing man I mean, I imagine if you believe your city has a rich cultural history to have it boiled down to Oasis is probably not the best Wow I mean what are the other things like what else is happening? I don't know you don't put me on the spot the bg's the bg's grew up in Manchester Really? Yeah, the game brothers like group no shit. Yeah, that's one of the other options that I have about I feel like the bg's and the beach Boys are the same people and that's what gets

caught in my head. No, because the Bee Gees are discus, or yeah, they're discus, the Beach Boys are surf rock. Right, right, right. No, it's just be very different, very different. And the Beach Boys were not related. The Bee Gees were the, and the give. Some of the Beach Boys related, weren't they? Maybe't they maybe no now I'm now I don't know

Yes, some of the man said didn't like the BG's yes, man said I know they were because man's in got in with the Brother in Brian Wilson. Yes. Yeah, the Wilson brothers. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, the the the Gibbs they grew up in Manchester. The original Mbop. You know what their first single was? Mbop. No. That was the first single for Hanson.

Yes. The Bee Gees for single. You'll never guess. What is it? Because they have so many of these big disco classics. I love being told that I'll never guess it yet still be given the prop to try try and guess What is that even mean you Bee Gees on the block. Could you do you even think you know? I don't know the name of any Bee Gees

So I'm a lot of top of my well, I mean obviously, okay, but I mean come on That wasn't their first hit exactly their first hit was called New York Mining Disaster 1941. Really? Yep. So, so we were all very close to having a wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald from the Beechis that we all sing. Okay. But it got forgotten.

But it was what, it was apparently quite a, like a very similar to the Beatles and got them noticed. And then they went disco. Anyway, this is stuff that I know because I've been trying previously, trying to figure out a show to do an Manchester and I'd given up on it. And now I know that now I have to do it all over again. This is what happens whenever I organize the tour. Is that no matter how many times I tell you things? Yeah.

Yeah. Huh. Well, I'll figure something out. Okay. Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Okay. And it's going to be a Tucker episode. Alex wasn't bringing it.

Yeah. I listened to a couple episodes from 2004 and they were just bear in waste land. What else happened? Oh, I stumbled across a couple episodes from 2004 and they were just Baron Wasteland. What else happened? Oh, I stumbled across a nine hour recording of Robert Welsh giving a John Birch Society speech from 1965 and I got caught up in that a little bit.

Oh, I mean, yes, of course you did. I just really sent my teeth into that. I do appreciate this is the only place where I can hear somebody say it like that. Oh, I mean that, you look, a nine hour thing by John Bercher, of course I got caught up into that. Very deep, interesting stuff. And then also I was trying to find a couch and I was unsuccessful.

But we're doing a Tucker episode and I'm going to give some disclaimers here in a minute because this episode is bad. Yeah. It's not good. No. But what do you expect? But before we get to those disclaimers, let's take a little moment Jordan to say hello to some new walks.

Ooh, that's a great idea. So first, thank you so much. Happy Uber belated birthday. Dig-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-g you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, thank you, Lewis Byer. It's pronounced Byer like Briar's ice cream, but without the R after the B and drop the S on the end. I think I nailed that one. I think so. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. I go next, happy severely belated birthday to Elena and Montreal from Stringbean. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you so much, you're an outpulsier walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, my land lady went to the January 6th march.

Uh, uh, the next day she told me Antifa did the riot and spends almost every waking moment listening to far right radio. Dan and Jordan help keep me saying, thank you so much, you're an outpulsier walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next Thomas' bright spot is here in Jordan. Say, thank you very much. You're an outpulsier walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you next Thomas is bright spot is hearing Jordan say thank you very much. You're now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Wow. Yeah, you did it Just for him brought it on that one and we got a technic right in the mix Jordan So thank you so much to Congratulations to my absolute academic weapons PJ and Caleb. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat

I'm a policy wonk Don't give up and it, you're brilliant. Someone, someone, satanite, sent me a book and a poop. Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little, little teddy baby. I don't want to hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yeah, thank you very much. So we're going to talk about this Tucker episode. I believe it's episode, it's the one I think right before his Andertate interview. And I think that you and I are both of the opinion that I'm not sure about a two and a half hour,

two hour Andertate, Tucker Carlson interview. I'm very sure. I'm not strong-no. You are definitely a strong-no. But strong-no. Whereas I have a little bit of a, and maybe there's a point to do that, but I'm not sure.

So anyway, this is episode eight of Tucker's show. Gotcha. Tate interview is nine. Might do that eventually just to really torture Jordan. Yeah, ma'am. But this episode is deeply transphobic. Sure. Very bad.

Yeah, I mean, we were talking about this a little bit before we started recording when I was describing just in sort of broad terms, the what the episode is, it's not necessarily super, like disgusting in terms of grapheckness, or passion in the disgusting way Alex expresses some of his hate. But it is very insulting and bullying towards a specific person.

And I don't really know exactly how to gauge what is more hard or awful to listen to for people. But I would say that it's offensive certainly. He consistently misgenders the person and uses their dead name. And so there's that element of it and then it their dead name. And so, you know, there's that element of it, and then there's, you know, it's just dumb. Yeah, there's not a hierarchy of pain,

but there's definitely the, there's definitely the chart with the different smiley faces on it. It's a spectrum of smiley faces that turn very, very frowny. Yeah, so I would say that, you know, just be aware of that upfront here and then also I apologize that I'm not gonna call it out every time He misgenders or uses a dead name

Maybe I guess maybe I should bleep out the dead name. I think that's I think that's probably the right way to do it But yeah, I'll do that but like I'm not going to call it out every single time because I'm just calling it out in advance. He does it throughout and it's awful. You know how disgusting he can be. He's that disgusting. He's Tucker. Yeah.

So anyway, here is where we begin our excursion through Tucker's gross mind. Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. Belmont Hill is a small private school outside of Boston. It's not famous for its athletics. The school's mascot isn't even an animal. It's an 18th century navigational tool. The Belmont Hill sextants doesn't even make sense.

All right, so there's no bigotry yet. And I decided I'm going to really take advantage of this. I'm really, yeah, I'm really enjoying this part so far. So the Belmont Hill School has a bunch of really strong sports teams. Okay. They compete in the independent school league. And their baseball team has the record for most league titles with 16. That's not great.

Their golf team has also won 16 ISL titles in the time just since 1989. And they won the title in 2022 just before when you would have any awareness of this. Yeah. They went undefeated the entire season. Their golf team. Their crew team is one the New England rowing association championship 14 times. And this kind of statistic goes on into their hockey lacrosse tennis and wrestling teams

as well. Tucker is trying to take a cheap shot at this school, but he didn't look into it at all. Yeah. Also, if Tucker had just gone to the school's website, he would have found an excerpt from a speech that the school's founder gave in 1924, where he explained that choice for the school's mascot. So I can love sextants, bro.

That's the shit. Well, I mean, just first of all, this is up in Boston. And so there's a bit of a nautical kind of vibe to New England. Yes, of course. So that's appropriate there. And then, quote, to be appropriate, the device would have to symbolize some fine ideal in education. It would have to express in one way or another the spirit that we wish to propagate, namely that of service through scholarship. And so, in the course of many weeks, quite a number of emblems were suggested. Curiously enough, perhaps because several of us love the sea and everything connected

with it, nautical devices seemed to be the favorites. Some of these, like the compass and the capstone, were apparently suitable, but one by one, either through two, great intricacy, or because of lack of originality, they were rejected. Finally, however, it occurred to someone that the sextant might be used. The sextant was a symbol of orientation, and the chief purpose of education was, of course, to orientate. For it is only by finding ourselves, by discovering our capacities and aptitudes that we can be of service to the community. So that's why they chose the sextant. I mean, all right. Okay. It makes as much sense as anything else.

I know. I went to Hickman High School and our mascot was a cuppy, which is apparently like a baby ghost doll. I understand. ours was tiger and that's equally arbitrary and at the same time symbolic in the exact same unknown animal. But that's an animal and that's what Tucker was complaining about right now.

But there's why is it socially accepted that animals are totally fine mascots, but you can't pick whatever you want. This is a microcosm of his own bigotry. You can only choose one form of mascots. Syracuse is mascot as an orange. Well, Wichita states mascot as an anthropomorphic thing of wheat. Produce mascot as the boiler maker, which is a train. Let people have fun with their damn mascot.

That is also. You just have fun with the mascots. Yeah, just have fun with the mascots. He's just using some selective criticism here about something he doesn't even care about. It's ridiculous. Being a dick about. Who are you? So mad. Who has the time for that? This place with a good sports program doesn't care about sports and they have a dumb mascot. I don't care about sports and they have a dumb mascot. I don't care about that. Ugh.

Ugh. Yeah. I don't understand how it's possible for an adult man with millions of listeners to think it's a good idea to talk about high school sports. I just don't understand it. You can talk about professional sports. Those are other adults. You're an adult.

Don't enter into the high school sports world. Just don't enter into the high school sports world. Just don't do it. Yeah, their sports sports program was good, despite what Tucker has to say. And now here's where he uses this false outrage that he has at the beginning in order to pivot into what he really wants to complain about. So when it comes to sports, Belmont Hill is not trying very hard. But the school's athletic program can claim at least one important footnote to history. In 1975, its football roster contained two names that you will recognize even now, Mark Milley and Levine.

I know you're talking about the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Levine, of course, is our country's most famous ad-room. Both transitioned late in life into overweight middle-aged women. Both wound up working as high-level officials in the Joe Biden administration. Their teammates at the All Boyz School in Boston probably wouldn't have predicted any of that. This is weird. It's happening. Because he's having a joke about Mark Millie, General Millie, the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff transitioning, but he didn't. He's not.

It's just, I think he has like a picture of Mark Milly, and he thinks he looks like an middle-aged boy. So the joke is just that they're physically unattractive. Yeah. Yeah, and maybe that he thinks that Milly is unmaskylin' in some way, because he wasn't supportive enough of Trump. I was gonna say, it's weird, because it's supposed to be a joke. I think so. Yes, it was gonna say, it's weird because it's supposed to be a joke. I think so.

Yes, it definitely is, but it's confusing. It's more confusing than it is, like a bad joke. The first problem is you assumed already that I knew those names, I can just pull those names out of a hat, no thank you. I don't want to be able to instantly pull the name of any joint chief of any staff. That's fine, you know?

Yeah, that's not, I shouldn't know that. I think if I just lived a day-to-day life, I probably wouldn't know General Milley's name either. Yeah. But Alex yells about him a lot. Well, right. I mean, in our capacity, yeah, of course we, yeah. But at the same time, it's not a joke.

It's not a turn. There's no turn. There's no surprise. He doesn't have any delivery that would suggest it's a joke. No, that's the other thing too. The way it's presented is again, it's very factual. It feels like he's telling me something and I'm eating it. Well, the factual nature of it is that Rachel Levine is the like assistant secretary for health. Sure. And she transitioned. Yeah, okay. And so he's, that's the thing that he's trying to,

he's playing with. Right. But there isn't anything really going on. That, like you said, there's no, there's no structure to it as a joke. I mean, the, the, the, the idea is that they both went to and all boys schools. Schools.

Yes. And then later on in life life decided not to be boys. But one didn't. Exactly. So now he's, but he's not. I have so annoyed. Yeah. And like I mentioned, their sports program's pretty good.

And it produced a bunch of NHL players. But this is the perception that Tucker is trying to cultivate at the beginning there because it's part of attacking the school's masculinity. In some way, that that's what's mixed up here. Sure. Also, I'm disappointed that he didn't bring up the David E. Kelly also went to Belmont Hill. So without that school, we never would have gotten out of the McBeal, Chicago Hope,

Dugi Hauser MD, and of course Lake Placid. He did all of them. Yeah, he did a lot. Wow. That's a career. And the practice. Oh, man, that is a lot. Wow. That's a career. And the practice. Man, that is a career and Harry's law.

That's a big challenge and dick wolf kind of shit right there. He's, he had a lot of pretty long Boston public too. Yeah, he's a lot of like, TV shows, you know. I do appreciate his formula of take a profession. Next, done. Yeah. Yeah, a lot of lawyers too, because I think he might have gone to law school.

Well, I mean, he went to prep with these. I don't know what year. I didn't get that part down. That's fair. So Tucker plays a clip of Levine and he gets just he's weird. His point is weird and it's he's asking questions that aren't questions and don't mean anything. Here's what Levine looks like now from video he just posted on Instagram. Hello, my name is Adroll Rachel Levine and I have the honor of being the

assistant secretary for health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services. Happy Pride! Happy Pride Month and actually let's declare it a summer of pride. Happy summer of pride. Happy summer of pride! Levine is so darn proud. He'd like to tell you about it all summer and possibly into the fall. He's got a lot to be proud of. What specifically you ask? Well strangely he doesn't say. In order as he mentioned his former wife or children he doesn't tell us whether they're proud too.

What? Since none of them have been invited on the today show to talk about their feelings we're going to have to guess. For now we're going to assume what former family is proud and why wouldn't they be? Few Americans in our history has come as far as Slovene. Here's a fat guy in a Halloween costume who somehow became a federal health minister. Not a small thing, you try that. See, like that's what I'm talking about. That's just bullying. That's just insulting someone, that's just being mean. Yeah, I mean, that's, there's no point to that. That's such, that's just being mean.

Yeah, I mean, there's no point to that. That's such, I mean, that's fucking fucked up. And it's cowardly. It's cowardly on a scale that you can't really process because that's the type of shit if you said that to somebody's face, shit's going down. Probably. And it's reasonable.

If you say that shit, fuck you. Fuck you. Fuck you. Well, I mean, I think we're in the, the feeling like a window might be open. I think it's it's it's like that is, that is stuff that cannot be confronted any other way. You can't talk someone through why they are doing that

because they've already thought why, they've already thought through why they're doing that. Yeah. already thought why they've already got through why they're doing that. Yeah. There's no conflict that is resolved without conflict. There isn't a conflict. There isn't a conflict that's a resolve of bull. Yes, exactly. In essence, it's just this person hates somebody for their identity and wants to broadcast

insults and bullying. Yeah, that's it. Millions of people. Yeah. Yeah. For no reason. No. And it's not even...

Other than existing. And it's not even like, there's no criticism to it. There's like, I know that Tucker fancies himself to be like an important person with deep ideas that are challenging the system. this is just there's nothing This is this is nothing. No, I mean, I there's more than a more the cooler could write this more than enough Just physical jabs more than enough to to be like oh then you're just doing this Indictively maliciously your pieces shit, and what I mean, it's a stupid question to ask What what are you proud of it just oh the fuck are you pretending to not

know of the existence of pride who the fuck are you to ask any of those questions and how dare you bring up the fat about dare you bring up a family that is not yours to fucking discuss yeah it's it's a little inappropriate wow and for the record Levine transitioned 2011, and she and her ex-wife divorced in 2013. So it's not like even like a recent thing that he could, you know, he's drawing from. This is a decade ago. Who, what makes him responsible to tell you anything? No, nothing.

So because this is something, you know, the divorce is, you know, in the past, you can find a record of what people thought, if you're curious. So for instance, the Viennes X-Wife wrote a blog post in April 2012 that touches on the transition and how you can get through changes in life even when it seems pretty difficult. And quote, often when we come out the other side of change,

we've got my stronger for having gone through the experience. It seems generally like the X-Wife was supportive of the transition. And if I had to guess, the reason that she isn't going on shows to be interviewed about her X-Wife is because she doesn't want to. I don't know, it's weird that Tucker is acting this way. I mean, I just don't understand it. Yeah. I just don't understand it. Very strange. Yeah. It isn't even meaningful to ask any of this stuff

at all. It's just insulting. Tucker spent the time writing this, recording it, and posting it, because he wanted to mock someone for being trans. Yep, that is it. The end. He is the most important person in the world

according to Alice. I mean, that is... Because there's no point, there's no change that can occur from watching that other than trying to radicalize people in a vicious, hateful manner towards trans people. Like, there can be no other reason to make that as a media figure.

Other that, I mean, if you're Tucker, if you're somebody with that kind of like intentionality behind what you're doing. Yeah, you know, there's no reason other than that. And to model behavior that you want your viewers to feel as appropriate ways to behave. Yeah, totally. And that's fucked up and irresponsible and bad.

Ah, yeah. So we have another clip. I mean, we're just going through the piece. Yeah. Here we go. Not too long ago, this same man was a married pediatrician with kids lecturing about eating disorders at Penn State. Now he's emerged as a path-breaking lady admiral with medals on his chest.

And he did all of that with that winning a single naval battle or even being female. It's pretty inspiring. What we have here is living proof that in this country you really can be whatever you want to be. If a civilian can become admiral Rachel, why can't you be an Napoleon or Lord Mountbatten the last Viceroy of India? Never see that guy as uniform? Or why not shock up the legendary Zulu War Chief?

You could bring your Asagai and leopard-hide shield to work at Deloitte, and no one would be allowed to say a word about it. The HR department would have your back. I don't know, I think there are plenty of reasons why you can't be specific people from history. But some people claim to be like Cleopatra in a past life, and what have you. I don't know.

So this is just disgusting garbage, but I wanted to take a second to point out how Tucker is insulting Levine's service and rank by saying she's never been in a naval battle. Does Tucker know when the last US naval battle was? So it was the battle of light, light to golf, excuse me, in October 1944. That's considered by the Navy to be the, quote, last sea battle between forces employing battleships. Yeah. Anyone who is in that battle would have had to have been born in 1926

at the absolute latest, so it would be like 94 years old today. Yeah. Tucker doesn't mean this insult because if he actually did, he would be imputing the service of every single person who served in the Navy past October 1944. Yeah. He's just being a dick. Yep.

The tactic, this is a tactic that folks like Tucker, they used to add the false pretence of reasonability to what they say. The implication is Levine isn't a real admirable admiral because she's never won a naval battle, which contains the assumption that it would have been possible for her to do so. The subtext is that if she had won a naval battle, Tucker would then see her as a legitimate officer in the Navy, but because she hasn't, her career isn't respectable.

Right. But here's another twist. Levine isn't an admiral in the Navy, where she might have been a naval battles or whatever. She's an admiral in the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps. They often are deployed to natural disasters to provide logistics and health services and that kind of stuff. The admiral is whoever is the assistant secretary for health. The vice admiral is the U.S. surgeon general.

When the people who fill these positions are part of the Public Health Service Commission Corps, they're given these ranks as title. There was a situation during the Clinton administration where the Assistant Secretary for Health and the Surgeon General were the same person. This guy David Satcher. Though he was Vice Admiral through his office as the Surgeon General, he still was given the rank of Admiral because of that higher office that he also existed in. However, in 2001 he was replaced as the Assistant Secretary for Health, but he remained the Surgeon

General for another year after that. And during that year, his rank was reverted back to Vice Admiral because of the position of Surgeon General. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Point is, it doesn't quite work like other enlisted branches of service, and Levine couldn't have been in a naval battle if she wanted to. Tucker just hates her because she's trans, and he's trying to find any semi-reasonable sounding excuse to make this bigotry seem grounded in reality at all, like there's

some sort of condition that she could meet that would make him not act this way. When in reality, no, there's not. No, no, he wouldn't move the goalposts at all. I have no doubt that upon meeting this, because we've gone through this so many times in the past with conservative whining, you know, they have these demands that we must meet and once we have met those demands, they go away. That's how it's worked. And that's why we continue meeting their demands, they go away. That's how it's worked. And that's why we continue meeting their demands like a bunch of fucking morons. It makes sense.

It would be so funny to like if Levine would just pull out like actually, I've won so many naval battles. I just want to see even what even is a naval battle that you can win. What are you even talking about? One time, I was on a seadoot. What are we, what? And I ran into blackbeard. We can fly now.

Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. It's just, and it'd be silly to find, we shouldn't even want to fight a naval battle. It's a resource management is silly. It's a terrible place to fight. It's a terrible place to fight. It's inefficient on an other level. You can't even turn quickly. Yeah, that's why I didn't like a assassin's creed

like flag so much. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, the turn radius on a boat is hard. It is hard to turn a giant boat. It's infuriating. Speaking of infuriating. Yeah. Let's get back into this.

All right. Unfortunately, you can't actually do any of that. The point of being's amazing transformation is not to free you from the inflexible husk that you were born in, so that you can be more fully yourself, whatever you decide that is. Well, I know that's not the point. When a person's personal journey has nothing to do with you, it's about him. It's his journey.

Your fantasies about becoming something totally new and different have not been approved yet. In fact, they're weird. Shaka, the Zulu war king. Come on. That's racist. Shut up and be proud of Admiral Rachel. I Rachel, L the the she's the one who was smashed glass ceilings. You just got some kind of weird fetish. That's weird. He's implying, I guess, that if you wanted to be Shaka Zulu, you could be in the future once that's approved. And I don't know if that is good thinking. I think people like Tucker like to try and make... They like to try and do a slippery slope type dumb argument. But they also try to make gender and race or ethnicity

into analogous things that people jump from one to another. Sure. Or whatever. In order to, it's always in service, basically, of delegitimizing trans existence. Yeah. And I just, I do not, I dispute the premise that they're analogous.

That's not, it just doesn't work. If I understand what he's saying correctly, which is a very strange thing, because he's wording it thusly, he's wording it like, you have a desire to become something different, but you can't. Well, if that thing is becoming Shaka. Well, I mean, but he's still essentially saying to people, you can't do this thing. And he's saying that that's a bad thing?

Well, hear me. Here's what I think. Sure. He's saying that trans people are approved by the system, right? So that is okay. Okay. But the other, if you wanna become, like, let's say, you're a white person and you wanna become black, that is not approved by the system.

So there is, like, you can transition gender. Sure. But you can't do these other things because the system hasn't approved of the system. So there is like, you can transition gender. Sure. But you can't do these other things because the system hasn't approved of it yet. But of course, the underlying point that is behind this is according to him, you can't do any of it. Right.

I was gonna say, like all of this is in your mind. This is all pretend Tucker. Yeah. You're an insane person. You're mad at the, do your own mind. You're mad at, yeah, you're mad at pretend. Yeah. And, and just making false equivalencies that are, I mean, they're not, they're not uncommon.

You know, it's something that you encounter a bit. There's, you know, people making those kinds of non analogous arguments, but I, I, I just feel like when you're someone like Tucker, you, they're, you know what, when we started doing some of these Tucker things, I told you I was surprised at how bad the show is. Just from a quality standpoint. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the other things is I'm surprised by how, how unserious it is.

It's incomprehensible. This is like a guy with millions and millions of dollars. He has free reign and an automatic audience from moving over from Fox. And this is episode eight. This isn't that far into his tenure. This is where he ends up. I wanna put out a five minute video

insulting someone because they're trans. My God. Like, there's no thought behind this. There's no greater point. This is the real deal with Bill McNeil. Broom. Don't, don't, don't, don't pune the real deal with Bill McNeil.

But it's the narrative arc of the real deal with Bill McNeil. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, this, this is, I'm, I'm, I'm just baffled by like, how little care or thought is in this at all. Right, but I mean, I feel like if he's telling this to an audience that is listening to him, that he is assuming that his audience is yearning for an opportunity to become something greater than what they are, something that they are maybe repressing, something that they're holding back. Maybe.

And he's somehow making them go like, yeah, it's a good thing I am repressing that. Otherwise Tucker Carlson will bully me? I mean, that's certainly an unspoken element of this. It feels like that. But yeah, yeah. You know what I wonder, there's a part of me that wonders that like, you know, so the first couple came out and there's, you know, some pretty big numbers. And then it just peedered out just sort of, you know,

it was losing audience. Yeah. The numbers for views were, were cratering. I wonder if this is kind of an attempt to like, like bring in some shit heads or something. You know, like, I wonder if this kind of an episode is meant just to be like bait for people to get mad at. And then tweet about and get it more attention. And then also just bring in softmoric bigots. I wonder if it's kind of a desperation move. Yeah, just like when Bill McNeil edited together

Seinfeld's interview to make it look like Seinfeld was being a dick. Mm-hmm. Just to get views, man. I do think that dynamic might be a play. It is, it does feel like that. Because the next thing after this was the way too long and routine interview.

Yeah. So it does kind of have a feeling of shit ain't working. I mean, it would feel like he kind of doesn't give a fuck. Right. Yeah. I can't imagine he gives a fuck. If he didn't put out a two and a half hour interview with Andertate afterwards, right?

Like you can't not give a shit at all about your show and then still be like, yeah, I'm going to put in two and a half hours with this monster. I suggest the exact opposite. Okay. Because if you cared, you might edit that thing down. That's a good point. Yeah. That's a good point.

On the other hand, I have also got a two and a half hour interview. You might want to, you know, chop that down to a presentable length where you can really make this extra effort look good same thing same thing for me with uh John Ronson I said I should um so we have another clip here to keep going and this is where I mean I've been confused a bit but I think that this is where I really got confused do actually now that we're saying this out loud is pretty clear that he has no interest in liberating you from anything. This is not about liberation.

It's just the opposite. It's just another religious war, same as all the others. The people who think. What? God versus everybody else. In primitive civilizations, which would include every civilization since the beginning of time until hours, what? What?

They were rules. What? Rules that no human being made, but that people could ignore only at their peril at great risk. Some call these rules nature, or natural law, or even as society's advanced, theology. But most of the time, people didn't call them anything. They didn't have to. There wasn't a debate about whether the rules were real.

People assumed there were consequences to pretending that you were God. They thought Sodom and Gomura were real places. They were destroyed for disobedience. They imagined the same thing could happen to them. Not anymore. I'm very confused. Tucker, let me tell you something. I no longer imagine that it's possible for Sodom and Gomorrah to happen to me. I think that's a reasonable belief. I guess, you know, if you're trying to just put into simple language, what are you saying? It's that trans people are God, and where they think they're God, people are God, or they think they're God, and they have violated natural law. Right.

And that Sodom and Gomorrah is gonna happen. Yeah, something. Yeah. It's weird. Well, I mean, it is a common underpinning of the most religious beliefs of like, God gave you a body. Don't fuck with it, you know.

But, you know, that, you know, tattoos should be outlawed. You're piercing all of this stuff. Like when I was growing up, that was the case. Sure. Based on those Bible verses of like, hey, don't fuck with your body, God gave it to you. That kind of thing. Body is a temple and all that.

The problem is you can either do all of that or none of it. You can't be like hey, don't fuck with your body Except you can get a bunch of tattoos, you know, you can't do that Sure, otherwise you might as well say fuck it. I don't care But yeah, what's it? What is the limitation of these primitive beliefs that are still they still hold true that Tucker feels we do still need to hold on to I Mean if I- Does he legitimately think a smiting is coming? I mean, I will absolutely agree with him if he is struck by lightning. If he is struck by lightning, I will change my life.

I will believe that there are possible God-given punishments. You're taking a little bit of a gamble. I think I'm gonna take that bet. Yeah. And you know what? Because I win either way. You don't have to change or Tucker gets struck by lightning. One of the two.

It's very simple. Yeah, I just got confused. Like this was the way that this was pivoting. Just felt very strange to me. I don't really know what to make of it. I do like the conception though that every civilization up to Lars has been primitive. That was fun.

I appreciate somebody saying, oh nice people want to act like God. Now obviously I'm going to tell my millions of people how to behave. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, that is, there's an irony. Yeah. And I don is, there's an irony. Yeah. And I don't know what the,

the like being God, like I don't know what that means in this context. I mean, I, I, I think it is agency. I think it is essentially a agency. Either you believe that you have to do everything God says, word for word, despite the fact that only Tucker is saying it, or you have control over yourself. And if you have control over yourself, then you are a God or whatever.

You know what? That's such a weird thing to be upset about for people who are so invested in the individual. Yes. So obsessed with the liberty and the. This is what we can do by ourselves. You can't do that. It's very weird. It's so inexplicable. So you have one last clip here because it's a short report. What is there to say?

And I just think that Tucker is a fucking weirdo and a asshole. Levine doesn't worry about being punished by forces he can't see. He knows he's in charge. He makes the rules. He sets the limits. Reality is what he says it is. That's his view, and he shares it with virtually everybody else in a position of authority in the United States.

That's a pretty bold bet, really. For seven million years, human beings have believed one thing, presumably based on some evidence, around 2015, they begin convinced of something completely different. Are they right? It feels like we're going to find out soon. So yeah, I guess he does think there's a smite income. Wait.

Yeah, what? What do you confuse about? I mean, I mean, did he just, did he just passcals wager us? What just happened? Yeah. Did we just get passed out? I mean, obviously, there's the stupidity of like 2015. Yeah. Being a delineation point where trans existence was a thing. Yeah, they did. Oh, no, there's definitely no. Oh, when I mean Rachel Levine transitioned in 2011. So that's even before 2015. That's before 2015. Yeah.

Tucker, so I'm just can I. I don't know. I really think that he's suggesting that divine retribution is likely to come upon us in a short period of time because of acceptance of trans people. I guess, I mean, you know, we're back on the, oh, hurricanes are cause gay marriage, you know, we're right back there. It really is. It's right back there. It is except, well, I mean, it's not that much of a difference, but at least in that case, there was an actual hurricane.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. It was, it was being a dick after a hurricane. It wasn't after the fact the accusation. It wasn't like this is something that may happen in the future. Whatever natural disaster occurs next. I understand. I understand. I understand that it's not that much of a meaningful difference, but it is very similar. It is a threat, essentially, to the audience of like, hey, I know that maybe the heartstrings

of your humanity might get tugged at and just think that these people are people. And, you know, biblical retribution, Sodom and Gomorrah might be around the corner. Do you want to take that bet? He's essentially threatening people to not come any closer to embracing LGBTQ plus existence. Yeah, I mean, I, what I think is made clear here that I don't think is the intent or whatever, but is what is underpinning this, is that conflict that he described.

You know, like, she says reality is what she says it is, and I say it's not because God, you know, I have a better reason for saying what I am saying to you. But essentially what that means is God, he believes that this reality cannot coexist with any others. God's reality is the only one, which means everyone is subject to that, regardless of what you believe or not.

Yeah. So that's not a coexistence, you can't coexist with that. It's, yeah, it's strange. And I would wonder like how frequently Levine's gender is an issue for Tucker directly. Like when is it ever, like the dictating of reality for Rachel Levine

in her own life? Sure. How does that affect Tucker and his reality at all? You know, I, I, you, it does not. I've been asking about it. You look at it like how you're talking about the, the reality is being unable to coexist.

Yeah, I, I think I mean, I think from talking to Talia, there's a part of me that thinks what it really is, is a young girl saying to Tucker like, no, about anything. At its heart, it comes back to what he is interacting with, and this is an expression of that. If I can control this, then I can get all of it. I can go all the way down.

Every little girl has to do exactly what I say. Every single one of these people is under my control. That kind of thing. And we're only... There's a power element to it, right? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, there's a power, there's a control aspect, and then I do wonder too, and not because of the opinions expressed,

because I don't think that these opinions are, you know, out of step with what you'd expect from Tucker. But the presentation of it, the consistent misgendering, the dead naming, the bad jokes, the stupid presentation, bad jokes, the stupid presentation, that aspect of it, I feel really does have to have some element of desperation in it, like needing to satisfy a crowd of some sort. And that to me is kind of sad.

Yeah, I mean, it is. Well, I guess the desperate need for power is also sad. It's so sad because, I mean, it is... Well, I guess the desperate need for power is also sad, but... It's so sad because, elementally, this would be Tucker going up to a person and just repeating over and over and over again, you are not a person. You are not a person.

You are not a person. Unless you exist the way I demand that you do. Right, and since you won't, I'm just gonna keep repeating it, and it's like, it is so obviously said, because look at me, I'm standing right here. You're the one who's acting insane. Yeah.

I am a person, you can see me. I am here, this is what I am. Fuck you. Yeah. You're the person who's crazy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I don't know, I'm left with a lot of conflicting feelings, you know?

I mean, not really. Fuck Tucker and I think trash and like conflicting feelings about concepts. Yeah, not this. Not even maybe concepts. I'm left with conflicting feelings of like I'm not entirely sure exactly what the point of Tucker's episode was. Why he felt the need to put it out outside of my theory about desperation and dwindling numbers. But the other thing is like, what is he doing?

What is he doing? Yeah, I just, I don't, I'm having an existential problem because of Tucker. Yeah, I think it's supposed to be like, the big show. He's supposed to be big. I mean, he's supposed to do a good job. Like, here's a staff. I believe.

He has millions. I believe truly that if we have accepted that it is wrong to defame somebody, in public words only, I agree that it is wrong to dead name somebody in public in the exact same way and it should have the same consequences. It doesn't many or not the exact same consequences but it doesn't consequences in many settings you know social media has a number of rules.

I'm not sure Twitter or X or whatever the fuck it is. Well okay. Wait what? Just Twitter is changing its name apparently. Oh for God's sakes. I don't know I've seen a bunch of tweets about this maybe it's a cares. Wait, what? Just Twitter's changing its name apparently. Oh, for God's sakes. I don't know. I've seen a bunch of tweets about this. Maybe it's a prank. Whatever. I don't care. Who cares?

But yeah, like, there are, there is, I guess here, man, it's so difficult to put my finger on what my tension is. Yeah. But it's like disappointment in somebody who's supposed to be like a professional. Yeah. And like, he's not even giving shit about this. Yeah. And then also just that like this is seen as acceptable by some people. Like, it's baffling to me that this level of meaningless anger and hate and bullying is valuable to an audience in some way.

That's very weird to me. I mean, you could stand in the middle of a crowd, listen to Tucker, and my thought is just like, fuck you, you're not even trying as thunderous applause surrounds you, you know? So very, very strange. So let's think about it too, like in terms of his existence on Twitter. And like, obviously the numbers going down, I think are a reflection of like, well, when somebody's saying white nationalist shit on Fox News, it's very exciting for the right wing. But when someone's saying it on Twitter, they're voice number 10 and other.

Yeah, you're just yet another one of them. Yeah, you have a suit, but that's about it. And the thing that it does feel like there's a desperation in this episode's tone and what have you, but it's a desperation in the wrong direction because even this is still just voiced 10 million on Twitter saying this kind of hateful shit. Yeah, the reason.

This isn't special in any way in the way that I feel like he would Tucker would want it to be. The Tucker's job on Fox News was to bring white nationalism to old people who aren't on Twitter. That's why we paid attention to him is because he was bringing it to people who could do shit. Now he's just on fucking Twitter. A bunch of assholes on Twitter. Who gives them? Yeah. Yeah. It makes you wonder if the relevance was the broadening of the audience. That was where the power lied with Tucker.

And I think that from everything that I have watched of the Tucker show on Twitter, I don't, I don't, I think that he made a bad gamble in thinking that his talent and like himself is what was the driving force of the like the Tucker phenomenon. Right. I don't think it was. I think it was Fox.

Mom, uh, mob, yeah, when you lead a mob, you don't lead a mob. You're just at the front of it. Mm-hmm. And when the mob decides that you don't lead the mob, you find out you were never leading the mob. Yeah. It's, it's just that simple. Yeah, and a really good way to lead the mob is have access to a bullhorn.

And when that bullhorn is taken away from you, you are far less effective as the leader of the mob. We can't hear you. Right, you're on Twitter. You're on Twitter. You're in the middle of the mob now. I still use mail But yeah anyway, I'd like to apologize to people for bringing this to their attention Oh boy, yeah, this is bad. This is brutal

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