Knowledge Fight - #862: Bankruptcy Response

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan discuss a video Alex put out trying to do damage control about the recent news about his bankruptcy.  Somehow, the episode is more than an hour longer than the actual video Alex made.

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Um, got also the rocks. We got the grunchies and the rocks. Crunchies and the rocks. Yep. Uh, some mochi or not mochi, lychee gummies. Yep. Yep. Uh, bananas for bananas. I don't know what I don't. Maybe that was a reference to Johnny bananas. Banana gummies. Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't get why we got the bet. Because there were some references like, you know, with the grunchies and the rocks. True. True. And such. Yeah. But then also a bunch of little mini, mini blocks, little small mini block sets that have been posting on Instagram as I, as I finished them. Got one of Selene that I took one of the eyes out of. So there would match.. Also, as of time of recording, we've got Squatch finished. Right.

I've seen Squatch look good. You removed TJ's mouth. Well, it had a thing where you're supposed to have like one millimeter gap that makes the mouth, but when you're pushing blocks together, it is very, very difficult to keep that unless it's blocked by something. Sure, sure, sure.

Unless there's a gap in there. You need to put a little pin in there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I also thought it just looked better without a mouth. Yeah, no, it's sad. And he's so quotable, shut the fuck up. I was, I mean, no, the fun, the fun, the DJ. Part of that is I think it is almost like

emblematically appropriate for you to have a silent DJ because he hasn't said any of the shit that everybody says he has. Yeah, or it lays very few things. Yeah, you can open your mouth on a very selected basis. Tommy, I think just keep it shut forever. But anyway, very nice. Thank you, Amy, I appreciate it.

Love it. What's your bright spot? My bright spot was, so I've got to move all my music from one computer to another computer. And it's gonna be a long, long time. So I've been going, but the fun thing about that is I get to go back and I get to just listen to all of my shit. Yeah.

And man, I got to Mama's Gun, Erica Baudu. And that late 90s early 2000s R&B snare sound. Sure. It's just the fucking bass. Good snare. It's so good. Like that quescobs. On arrival of the snare. Oh, on fronology, like that tight snare.

Oh, man, it's so good. It is good. And then there's so many, like it's so many great bassists. Sure. So many great bassists. Hubs. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I think he's dead. Yeah, I think so too. But yeah, so my bright spot is just Eric Madoo. Great. I love it. I like how you started that too. Made me think of those old days. Look, I don't know if the statute of limitations is up,

but I used to go kaza, lime wire. I'm still. I don't use, I'm, listen, they could take any of this streaming shit away from you at any time. So you should very much legally acquire all of this music. Well, I prefer to buy music from artists if I can or whatever. I guess I don't. I just use like Spotify. Yeah, well, it's either, I know better.

Right. Right. But back in the day, you know you download all that shit And sometimes it happened to be that you'd get a virus or something Yep, and your computer would crash and you'd lose all your stuff And it was such a fun experience to try and rebuild your collection kind of yeah There was that because you'd kind of know what most of the stuff you had downloaded was yeah and you'd be like Reassess do I like this how much do I like this? Yeah, and then you'd rediscover some of the love of things stuff you had downloaded was. And you'd be like, reassessed, do I like this?

How much do I like this? And then you'd rediscover some of the love of things that you'd forgotten. And then also be like, I don't like this anymore. I imagine the, you know, importing your catalog over. It's kind of similar. You get to, you know, you get to reassess a lot. Totally.

No, there was a column that Nathan Raben did, I think, for the AV Club in the late thousands, where he went through his entire, you know, he's a music critic. So his catalog, yeah, absolutely. His catalog is larger than mine. Oh yeah. And him going through it alphabetically,

like, bite in your lip and just going, I'm gonna go through every single one of these engines. And then, like, sharing, like, I'm scratching this motherfucker off the off the list get out of here. Be gone. Wait I have a I have two bloodhound gang albums. What is good? I have zero bloodhound gang albums now.

Oh man. Bad touch. Yeah so so it is it is nice. Was that the album? No. I don't want to their albums was called one fierce beer coaster. Oh man I have not thought about the bloodhound gang for a long, long time. For good reason.

For very good reason. Yeah. Yeah. Do you remember what their first single was? No, but I think I remember the feeling. And it's not that you know the feeling. I don't know. I think I remember how I felt about it.

The roof. The roof. The roof is on fire. That was there. That was a single. Yeah, I remember that I felt about it and it's gross the roof the roof is on fire that was there That was a single. Yeah, I remember that one. Yep. Yep. And then they came back with the the bad touch Shouldn't do it. Boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom boom not. So Jordan, another thing that's bad to hear. Oh, are we still doing our show? Yeah. Today we're going to do an episode, get to be a little bit different than normal because we're not covering an episode of Alex's show, but it is still about Alex. And so we'll get down to business on that. But first, let's say hello to some new wanks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, Raptor Princess versus these Shadow Wolves. Thank you so

much. You're an autopolicywank. I'm a policywank. Thank you Wolves. Thank you so much, you're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you, next your resident home stuck guy, Gumbah Masta. Thank you so much, you're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you, next way, W-E-Y Kent.

Thank you so much, you're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you, next Melissa H. Thank you so much, you're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And for my young son, Ender, who wandersolicy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And for my young son, Ender, who wanders around the house

repeating, I'm a policy wonk. Now you are. Thank you so much, you're an autopolicy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Think that kid has a game. Yeah. I think he might. Ender's game? Well, he might. Yeah.

Oh, it's a thing? It's the name of the thing. Okay. He might be speaking for the dead right now. So you got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan? Sure. So also, thank you so much to September 23rd is Brian and Sarah's first and fourth anniversary Thank you so much you are now technocrat. I'm a policy walk The home team of the teller you brilliant someone someone satan might sent me a book in a poop daddy shark

Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ. Happy anniversary a month ago. Yeah, I like I like that about I think we should I like when people send in like anniversaries or stuff like that but the when they're not on the date. I mean, wait. So we just fill people in on what other people are saying in the end of the year. That's the idea. Okay. I think I took a different thing from that. And that is that I assume that first and forth means that they were dating for three years

and they got married on the anniversary of their first date. Which would be very cute. Right. I think everybody should do that. You think everybody should do that or you think everybody should have to do that. Look, maybe the latter. So I was about to say there's a difference between those two. Everybody should do that or you think everybody should have to do that look I was about to say there's a difference between those two when I felt it in your voice when I am king

No, I just think it simplifies. Yeah a little bit. No for I mean yeah, of course And then you don't have to have like multiple dates. You're thinking in your head. Oh, it's the first date Oh, it's first kiss where it Where it's boo. Yeah. You know, yeah, no, no, one date. That's the, that's the idea. One date per couple. They have her couple. That's it. That's your, that's your China policy. Yeah. One day policy. So Jordan, yes. Today, we're going to be covering a video that Alex put out. Oh, no. Um, and it's has to do with the news about his bankruptcy. Okay. All right. I felt we had a fair amount of heavy bullshit over the past couple episodes.

Yeah. And so I wanted to steer clear a little bit of having another really heavy bullshit episode. Good call. And then also it came to my attention. Thank you, Amanda. That Nick Fuentes is going gonna be an Austin this week and he's gonna be in studio with Alex. So, we got that to look forward to. So, wait for the whole week. Probably not, but just at least for a day where they're going to debate

the Israel-Palestine situation, which. I'm sorry. I don't want any part of. They're going to debate the Israel-Palestine situation? I don't feel any part of it. They're going to debate the Israel Palestine situation? I don't feel like any of that is stuff I want. I don't like those words. Absolutely not. So we have that in the in the in front of us.

Yeah. And Owen Benjamin showing up in the background. Yeah. So here we are. I thought we'd cover a bit of news about his, his other situation in life. So that big news that happened, for everyone who didn't hear, is that the bankruptcy court made a ruling on Alex's bullshit attempt to get out of paying what he owes to the

Sandy Hook families, and it did not go well for him. In essence, what the court determined was that because his judgment is due to intentional and malicious actions on his part, the damages he owes are not dischargable for bankruptcy. Alex was hoping that he could declare bankruptcy and this stuff would all basically disappear, but that's not going to happen. This debt is going to accompany him wherever he goes in the future. There are two distinctions that are important to remember. The first is that Alex has declared personal bankruptcy and also bankruptcy for his company

free speech systems. The Chapter 11 sub-Chapter 5 reorganization scheme was for the company and it is essentially failed. The second thing here is that there are two major cases, the Texas case and the Connecticut case. In the ruling, Judge Lopez affirmed 1.1 billion dollars in damages as being undischargeable from the terms of the Connecticut case, but that left $323 million that was awarded, that may not have been the result of willful and malicious actions.

This was court fees and attorneys fees, but I think it could be argued that Alex's behavior in the course of the suit was absolutely willful and malicious. I would strongly disagree with that. So I'm not sure if that will eventually be seen as willful and malicious, that if that determination needs to be sort of affirmed. Either way, that decision is like Alex getting the ball forward one yard

and then getting driven backwards into his own end zone and sacked a little bit. So it's, it has the, you know, you could say, hey, great news. I owe $323 million less. It is, it is hard to, that's's huge when we're dealing with this level of number It is hard not to just be like you know three hundred and twenty three million is nothing in this scenario Yeah, it is meaningless. It's it's it's in any other situation

Owing three hundred and twenty three billion dollars the worst thing that could ever have ever had or no I mean less. Yeah, the best thing that could ever happen to had ever had no i mean less yeah i think i ever happened to you huge news this is the biggest news in the world in this case not not nothing nothing so with the texas case it's a little bit more complicated in that case scarlet louis and niel haslin were awarded forty nine million dollars but forty four million of that was in the punitive damages and according to the new york times quote a trial is necessary to determine whether that amount meets the willful and malicious standard. So that is something that will need to be

relitigated perhaps and that's unfortunate for the Texas plaintiffs and we'll see what happens in terms of that. However, that's still five million dollars that is undischargeable. Sure. In that case, I agree. I agree. But big picture this is a disaster for Alex. He's on the hook for this and it's not going away. Even a free speech systems collapses and goes away overnight. He owes this debt personally as well as professionally. So while the court will never be able to take his primary home, his finances are going to be affected by this case

for the rest of his life, regardless of what business as he tries to start in the future. They're going to be able to garnish his wages. Any money you'd go over. He's not going to be able to hide money places very easily in the future. It'll be, it'll be harder because it'll have to be in physical currency. That will be the harder part. Although he's, he's an old salt at a barri in coin. I mean, I would not be surprised to find several million dollars that he used to bury gold and stuff like that. No, I wouldn't be surprised to find several million dollars that he used to bury gold and stuff like that. No, I wouldn't be surprised to find several million dollars in physical currency

buried around his family's home. He's thinking Krugerrands. I mean, I don't know what it's buried in. Barrier bonds. It's something, you know. So on top of all this, Alex still has two cases that are yet to be heard, which have been a hold because the bankruptcy nonsense. He still has the positor case where he is uniquely and deeply fucked and the Marcel Fontaine case which was the case that led kit Daniels to cry in the deposition room about what he'd done to another human. So that doesn't look great for Alex either. To quote Alex, this is big boy pants time. He was never planning to use the bankruptcy system the way it's intended to to allow small

businesses to reorganize and stay in business if they're in debt. He was never planning to use the bankruptcy system the way it's intended to, to allow small businesses to reorganize and stay in business if they're in debt. He was trying to dodge responsibility for his actions by exploiting what he thought was a loophole. That loophole didn't work, so now there's no reason for him to continue this charade. Alex can pretend that he has options to appeal but that's not going to work. He's more or less out of options to stall things, and it's just a matter of time before he's forced to pay or he begins to risk criminal cases for non-cooperation. In the aftermath of this news breaking, Alex ran to his trusty camera

and filmed a quick damage control video which we're gonna discuss here today. His angle on this is interesting if only because there's a couple of really shady moments that you might notice throughout this that are petty as hell. Okay. All right.

And also it's just total bullshit. Yeah. Well, yeah, I can't imagine him telling any version of any true thing on this. Yeah. So I've noticed in life that when people are really bad and have bad things coming out about them, Sure.

One of the things they generally do is say, Hey, you're gonna hear a lot of bad things about me. It does tend to the things they generally do is say, hey, you're going to hear a lot of bad things about me. It does tend to happen. I hear that one quite a bit right before I hear a lot of bad things about somebody. Yeah, definitely. There was the Russell Brand put out that video right before everything came out about him, but hey, there would be a bad stuff. I don't know if you've heard or watched my career at all, but people are going to find out about the things. Yeah. So Alex starts off like that. I want to respond for the benefit of our viewers and listeners and supporters with the facts

of the truth. You're gonna see headlines all over the news. Alex Jones loses bankruptcy hearing, and that's not what happened. I want to say the facts for you here right now. So we're gonna get to the facts. Okay. Which facts? Alex's facts.

I actually, I would watch. I would watch that show if it was a kid show and only around like a dog or cat like themed interesting. So it's like blues clues but Alex's facts. Yeah, basically. So it would be like a cartoon dog tells you something and then you go on a quest to figure out if it's true or not and it's always not. you something and then you go on a quest to figure out if it's true or not and it's always not That's a show because that's my life. That would be an interesting rug pull. That's my life Jordan For children's TV if you just imagine a show being a cartoon dog that's uh, uh, I do imagine this You've been I've called you mr. Peaty peabody many times. Yeah,. Oh God. Oh, boy. So anyway, here's the truth. Is it all true? Okay.

When rigged controlled juries that were told in Texas and Connecticut last year, that I was guilty by a judge and the judge told the jury to find me guilty. And they allowed false evidence that I have hundreds of millions of dollars into evidence. Fraud. It was all over then. If I were one of the jurors and one of those cases, I might consider suing Alex for defamation. He's saying that you were the instrument of carrying out a setup case, which is an accusation of a crime.

It's even really more than that. It's Alex accusing you of being complicit in perverting the justice system itself. If I were one of those jurors, I really would not appreciate that. And I mean, he's, he's making concrete claims. You're not, you're not a public figure. No, I mean, it's, it's hard not to, it's hard not to think that what should be happening right now is like a flood of all the people who have needed to sue Alex for such a long time. But knew that they couldn't because the money, you know, he could always out, out just spend them or settle or anything like that.

Now's your chance. Well, settle him with this even more day. I think that that is a functional strategy in terms of dealing with somebody like Alex, just overwhelming them with the consequences of the actions. Keep going. But at the same time, I think that a lot of people would overwhelming them with the consequences of the actions. Keep going. But at the same time, I think that a lot of people would not be within the statute of limitations. And that might be a frivolous act.

Sure. Well, I mean, if you're not in the statute of limitations, don't do it. People who are currently being lied about and defamed by Alex, I think that everybody should apprise themselves. But I also respect that it's probably more hassle than it's worth personally to a lot of people. 100 understand why people wouldn't want to take that on. Agreed.

Agreed. That's, I mean, that is kind of the situation. And it's, it wouldn't be for money. You know, we're already past when money could even, you know, there isn't anything left after one point, something billion dollars. That's not how Alex goes. But if you are part of the, oh, Alex Jones sued for defamation by every single fucker he's lied about and it's going to happen to the next person who does that.

And the next person who does it, even beyond that, I think that there is an important humanizing aspect of the victims of Alex's shit. Because so many of the people who are truly hurt and, you know, affected by the shit that he puts into the world, take it quietly. Yeah. Or you never really know about the damage that's caused by this. Yeah. And I think that people giving a face to it can be helpful.

And I understand that that has definitely happened with the Sandy Hook family. So there is a deeper well of people who could put a human face and a understandable, relatable narrative to the pain that's caused by this shit. Yeah, and not just a face, not just a face, you should have a name. Alex Jones gets to have his name everywhere.

Well, I used face sort of metaphorically. Right, right, I mean, but that's kind of, you know, that's the point. Yeah. You are a person instead of a victim. Yeah. You are not somebody who Alex Jones the main character. You're not a henchman that he's tossed aside

on his way to get to another more important person. And maybe you're a human being. And maybe that's not necessarily the case for the people who are jurors in this. But I still would take great offense to the suggestion that I was being told what to do and it was a rigged court that I was complicit with. I would find that to be pretty shitty. Come get me, bro. So I want to take a couple claims here that he made more specifically. The first is about the finances. Alex is a constant liar so he's not a good source of information about anything and he refused to turn over important financial information in the course of discovery for those trials.

In order to assess what his business appeared to be making, the plaintiffs consulted a forensic accountant who came up with the best guess of what a competently run business like Alex's would make. At any point, if Alex wanted to clear it up and prove what he made and how much the business made, he could have corrected the record, but he didn't. The reason he didn't is anyone's guess, but the only two explanations that make sense to me are one, there's something very damaging in his finances that if it were publicly known, would erode his audience's faith in him, or two, he makes as much or more than the accountant assessed.

He can play games with this shit for his audience, but the court doesn't care if you say that's wrong, and then refuse to prove that it's wrong with the information that you should have full and easy access to. Yeah. Grow up. The second point I want to touch on here is the rigged and controlled juries.

What does that mean? The rigged. What does it mean, though? And controlled. How tightly controlled are they? You rig them and controlled juries. What does that mean? The rigged. What does it mean though? And controlled. How tightly controlled are they? You rig them and you control them. Yeah, what is exactly being alleged here? That it's just a fake jury?

I mean, it is like he's trying to say, here's what I imagine is going on, right? He's saying that we did experience the jury pool selection, so we know there was a hundred people, and we know they only chose this 14 or whatever. And that his lawyers had input in that. Right, right. But the ones that were chosen were plants

and they're told what to do by Hillary Clinton, obviously. Or I guess it's a fully above board process of choosing the jury and No after the fact the control comes in okay, they kidnapped their families and are holding them and saying you're gonna find Alex guilty All right, is that what he's alleging? Ah, I feel like he if kidnapped families were involved That's my first that's I'm throwing that out headline. All of those jurors, their families were kidnapped. And that's why I was declared guilty. At this point, Alex is making such bullshit claims of why not?

Why not throw it in there? So the three more fun? The third point I want to talk about is the framing of how the juries, the trials, excuse me, were set up. Alex says the juries were, quote, told I was guilty by a judge and the judges told the juries to find me guilty.

That's a fascinating construction because it's such a complete lie about what happened. Alex had every opportunity to a jury trial about his defamation claims. He was clearly just desperate to not do that, so he dragged his feet and stalled at every opportunity refusing to cooperate with Discovery. Fairies' remedies were attempted until it became clear that he was not going to cooperate with this case in any form, so he lost in a default. It was as if he hadn't shown up at all, basically, because he was that uncooperative and that non-responsive to request.

Having lost by default, the trial was never about guilt or innocence, or in this case because it's a civil matter whether or not he was liable. The case was about damages, and how much he was gonna owe. The judge didn't struck the jury that the matter of whether or not he was liable. The case was about damages and how much he was gonna owe. The judge didn't struck the jury that the matter of whether or not Alex was liable wasn't for them to decide and that it already been resolved, which is not the judge telling them to find him guilty. It's a judge explaining what the purpose of the trial is. Further, Alex had every opportunity to have his shitty lawyer, Norm Patis, and Connecticut

and Ray Nahl and Texas argue that they owe He should owe the families a dollar or some minuscule amount that's just symbolic Yep, and that's exactly what they did and the jury's rejected their argument You could argue that the jury did have the opportunity to deem Alex not liable by awarding the families a dollar But they didn't because Alex did get his day court, regardless of whatever games he wants to play, now that he's lost so fucking hard, he had every opportunity afforded to him and more. They bent over backwards to facilitate his ability

to defend himself and he was such a shitty little baby that this is where we end up. Yeah, yeah. And even when he was in the trial, he was trying to insist to the jury. He was like, listen, all of these are good blue collar people to the point where eventually I remember hitting getting questions from the jury.

There was like, what do you think were all the same type of person? As whole, you know, like he pissed off the jury. And even if it wasn't rigged, he deliberately pissed off those jury. And even if it wasn't rigged, he deliberately pissed off those people. I went back and I watched norms closing comments from the Connecticut case. And like you can tell how hostile an environment it is. They hated norm. Yeah. They hated the arguments that he was making. And they completely and flatly rejected the argument that Alex should not have to pay these people

The money that they ended up awarding him. Yeah, he had essentially a de facto Way of proving his quote unquote innocence. Yeah, and that is convince them to give the families next to nothing Yeah, I mean, that's what you would hit, that's your option at this point, since you have completely fucked up the first part. Yeah. And to the point where it would have made, it would have actually have made sense for the summary, for him to have gotten to a summary judgment, if then all he has to argue in front of a juror in in front of a jury is damages. Right. Because that would his guilt is beyond question. That would have been his best sort of strategy.

And I think that there might have been some hope that that's what would have ended up happening based on the argument that, you know, particularly norm was making. Yeah. And no, it was rejected. I mean, people thought it was shit. Cause it's shit.

It was really bad. And they did and not to cut them short Ray Null and Patis did a really bad job of Lawyering on that argument as well, but maybe it's because it's an argument that you never want to be Because it's bad there were times there were times where I saw right now Looked down at the sheet of paper in front of him and I swear I saw him go like, oh, I wouldn't say that. And then he said it. And then there's the like, it norms closing argument. You can tell that

the people are just looking at him like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Yeah. And he said, like, oh, I know you're looking at me, like, what's one lawyer at the bottom of a ocean? Oh, man. A good start. Like, great. flick with a joke, man. I mean, it's not working. Do the lawyers prayer? Mm-hmm. Wow. So Alex goes on. This, this was judicial tyranny against the American people.

So I laughed at the time when they were giving billions of dollars to people whose names I'd ever talked about, never said to him, know who they were. It's not billions of dollars. D, dramatically exaggerating a little bit. But here's the thing, you can start to see the angle. This isn't about Alex. So this is about you. This is about you, the American people.

This is my consequences are you. You should be afraid of me facing consequences. Yeah, I hear that one. I hear, we hear that one quite a bit now. We do, We do. So that will become a theme here as we'll just lie. Yeah. This was the weaponization that you just hear. So I declared bankruptcy because back when I declared bankruptcy I had a few million dollars in the bank. Since then I'm upside down but I'm still on the air and that's what matters. So the federal judge in Texas basically

nixed out most of claims in Texas, but then said the stuff in Connecticut could go forward and it's not dischargable and said it's up to our appeals. Now remember, when you see these headlines, Jones refuses to pay 1.5 billion to Sandy Hook. I have a right, you have a right, to a jury trial, but we didn't get that.

The judge found me guilty in Connecticut, Texas beforehand, and also have a right to a jury trial, but we didn't get that. The judge found me guilty and Connecticut Texas beforehand and also have a right to appeal. So our appeals will take years. Those are ongoing, but I declared bankruptcy because of all the litigation, we didn't have any money. We're maxed out. So Alex is going to say more about this later, but he's claiming that he's a million dollars in debt personally when he's saying he's upside down. Yeah, which I could kind of see possibly being true. Like if it is the only reason it's true is because he won't stop taking vacations

and he owes his shitty lawyers too much. If he really wants to make some of this money back, he needs to sue his lawyers for malpractice. That would improve some of the situation, but it also would involve really touchy discovery. So don't hold your breath. That's probably never gonna happen. It was reported that I'll expect $75,000 in April and 93,000 in July. So you'll have to forgive me if I don't really believe the

I'm upside down thing in any meaningful way. Right. He may literally be in the whole of million dollars, but he's living the lifestyle of someone who knows that he's still very rich. Yeah. Still very rich. There's a difference between being broken, being poor. Right. And then, but now in like real money world, where people have a lot of it, you know, you're supposed to be in debt, a million dollars, because then you don't spend real money on stuff,

and then you don't have to pay taxes on that. So the debt is actually the way you avoid paying taxes for the real money that you keep and don't use. And then you slowly pay off the debt. Yeah, I don't like this modern world. Exactly. No. I don't care for it.

No, the smartest thing in the world for Alex to do is have a million dollars of debt. One, because a million is so much, people are gonna have to try and find ways to help him pay it back. That's the nice part about owing that much money. That's interesting. Yeah. So Alex is welcome to appeal these cases, but it's not going to matter.

He's going to lose those, too. And in the process, waste some more time and probably add more sanctions to the pile of money he owes the families in court. He already lost a request for a new trial. And Norm did file an appeal back in, I believe believe July claiming that the default judgment was wrongly issued. They will not win that appeal. The court met over backwards to give Alex opportunity after opportunity to cooperate. And his behavior and intentions were clear and it's documented through the process, like

the chances that he was given. And let's blue sky think in this thing. Let's go ahead and open our minds up. Even if Alex were to win an appeal and the default judgment gets thrown out, what do you think happens then? Alex continues to stone wall and not cooperate with discovery requests.

He continues to send incompetent corporate representatives to testify and he ends up getting defaulted again. I suspect that any decent lawyer could argue this in an appeal hearing based on the well-documented pattern in Alex's actions. Like it would be very easy, but this person is willfully and maliciously subverting the process, so no, you never win an appeal. I mean, it is literally like a lawyer has to go, your honor. If we have to do another trial, I swear to you, I'm just gonna send an assassin.

I'm not doing another six fucking years of this shit. That doesn't seem like a great appeal argument. It's not a great appeal argument, your honor. I feel like that's how bad this is. I feel like a better argument is, come on. I mean, that should be, but that should have been the argument that worked at some point over the past four years. Right. Yeah.

Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. All Alex can do is maliciously stall. And he's run out of more options for ways to do that. This appeal will fizzle, and then he's really got nothing stopping the families from collecting. Of course, it's easy to say that he's only got time on his side, and he can only run out the clock for so long, while one of the plaintiffs, Eric Alanford, he's struggling with cancer and can't afford chemotherapy drugs while Alex owes her millions of dollars.

For someone like her, it's not so trivial a matter that Alex can stall things and delay the inevitable payments that he's gonna have to make, but it's unfortunately easy for people in our situation to be like, well, he's gonna run out of options eventually, but there's a clock for some people where there is a human cost

to his actions. I don't understand why it's not possible for the bankruptcy court to just be like, okay, but before we do anything, just pay for Eric. I'm not sure. I imagine that there's some kind of situation where if you make that kind of carve out, then it opens up the door to so many different people

being able to, you know, I don't know. With life threatening diseases? Well, but I can say that I can imagine every single person with a life threatening disease can get the same treatment. I imagine I'm not exactly sure what the specific situations would be, but I can imagine circumstances where that could be abused. And I can see why a court wouldn't allow those kinds of carve-outs for, like, let's jump the process in order to, you know, get this money where it should be. I could give less of a fuck about what court that would be abused. I understand. Because that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

I just watched Alex abuse the courts and now you're gonna tell me that it's actually abuse for the court to carve out money from somebody. I'm not saying that in this case it would be but I'm saying that that being an option I could see in a lot of cases being abused. I'm not saying this would be abuse. I'm saying that this would be very appropriate, but I can understand why a court wouldn't do it. I cannot. And I refuse to accept that. Well, that's where that's where we're not going to properly find the agreement. Although, I mean, we do have agreement that it should, I mean, it's ethically it should. It seems hard to imagine a situation where it could be more cut and dry. Yeah. So I mean, it's, you know, it's kind of, you know, that that's the

balancing of the like, well, there's a reality why it matters that this doesn't go on forever. But then there's also the side of it that is he is running out of options. And this will continue to the walls will continue to close into the point where this will, this won't be something he's able to avoid forever. And you know, that's the rub. Yeah, yeah, I, again, I still do not believe any of the legal system is going to function, but I hope, I hope.

All right, so Alex has no money. That's the thing. Yeah, except for all the money. Yeah, I've heard that. So this idea of We're gonna take your money away. Doesn't exist because the money doesn't exist. It's all political It's all a message to you that if you stand up against corruption if you stand up against open borders and human smuggling and World War three and the pedophilia and the Transgenderism we're gonna get you their attack on me is a message to you to shut up and roll over and be bullied and be intimidated. So, just a nice little reminder that trans people existing is included in that list of

his great evils, so he's very accepting and very open-minded. So there's plenty of people that have shows that have the same kind of bigoted content that Alex does and target the same vulnerable populations he does and yet those people aren't being sued like Alex is. And that's because this case isn't political. It's the result of his actions in defaming these anti-hook families. Alex absolutely understands that, but it's really hard to fundraise by saying, this is my fault, I made a huge mistake and now I need you all to support me so I can avoid losing my status as a rich person because of it. It's

so much easier to pretend you're being persecuted for your politics and that your personal consequences are actually an attack on the audience. We talk about fear a lot but this is an interesting vibe because what Alex is doing is taking something bad for him and making the audience scared for themselves about it. You, the listener should fear for your safety when you see bad things happening to me. That's an abusive fucking tone that Alex takes. And also, Alex has way more money than that. At very least, a recent filing showed personal assets of over $14 million, and he's got tons of money in various trusts and fake companies

all around free speech systems. You can't operate a business of the size of info wars with that many employees, that much infrastructure, that much overhead, the products, even if you're just like private labeling other people's products and drop shipping. You still need to have tons of money coming in and moving through. It's just not possible. Simultaneously, you can't be someone like Alex who spends money the way he does, who owns the kind of property and luxuries that he does without having a lot of money. If you can spend $93,000 in a month, you aren't making $100,000 in a month, you're making way more than that.

So, I don't believe any of this shit. Hmm, hmm, yeah. Hmm, yeah, man. He just, he just compare that with the fucking courage and resolve that it took for the families to get us to this point. The amount of courage and resolve is something that I don't think we could really put into words

to get us to this point over this length of time. Yeah, I mean on a fundamental level you have a situation where someone has participated in creating a hostile environment for you over the course of years and you know that it will likely be worse. It will be made worse by you standing up to this bully. Choosing to do it anyway, choosing to do it even though as the process goes on, you realize this is not going to go smoothly.

Him stalling at every opportunity, offering to settle for a ridiculous amounts. Watching, I mean, just simply, simply watching Alex be given every possible break, every possible benefit of the doubt, every possible way of coddling a giant baby contrasted with the amount of shit that is constantly piled upon to these people for no reason other than the fact that they survived a tragedy. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's gotta be tough.

And then you see the legal system go, eh, well, well, well, you guys gotta wait. We need to be nicer to Alex. Well, that's, I mean, I think what you come to is that there is a difference between the emotion and the feelings of justice and the, you know, that kind of thing and the mechanical operation of justice. Right. And those things will always be at odds. Right. We've let it get out of control. Because we gave the legal system to rich people.

That was our big mistake. So Alex here, he's he's talking about how he predicted all of this. He predicted that this was going to happen. Of course he did. But he didn't. No, he absolutely didn't. No. And then he makes a weird metaphor.

Track this metaphor so you can help me understand it. All right. So my lawyer is predicted and I predicted that the Texas case would get limited because it was so outrageous. And the Connecticut case would go forward, but it doesn't matter because the money doesn't exist. And I always have a right to be on air and communicate. And because of their persecution, we are hotter than ever,

more requested, more demanded on shows all over the place. Info Wars is exploding. So, Alex Jones personally is being crucified and they're coming after assets that don't exist. I don't care about that. I'm not into money. I'm wearing like a 10-year-old shirt right now. It's a small blue jeans and some $20 shoes. So it's all like the Wizard of Oz with Toto. And the Wizard of Oz saying, I am the Great and Powerful Oz, but then Toto pulls the curtain back.

So here's the bottom line. So that's a... Okay, weird. So who's the... Who. So that's a okay weird. So who's the who's the great power of laws in this? I can't figure it out who's toad oh and who's Oz says if Oz is the court saying that Alex has a lot of money and then Alex's toad pulling the curtain back to real laws is that what it's supposed to be right but what's being revealed in this matter for Alex needs to be Oz, saying that he's not rich, and then the globalist need to be Toto, except they pull the curtain back to reveal that Oz is telling the truth.

I would have picked a different matter for you. Yeah, this is a bad one. It's a mess. I mean, there's just no way to make it work. It really is a challenge. Okay, so the judge, let's just judge Oz. Hmm, baseline. Right.

Okay, so how do we get to Alex being Toto and revealing something about the judge? So here's the way it has to work. The judge is Oz and the judge is saying Alex is super rich. Right. Alex comes in as Toto, pulls back the curtain and reveals that he's poor.

How is that happening? Right, but I mean, but, but. So then I guess, I guess the great and powerful Oz is holding a big bag of money that's putting on like a show that is Alex with a big bag of mine. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I can't get it's not good. No, I don't think this one's gonna work. I don't think that star is gonna fit into that square. My friend. So Alex also seems to not be dealing with the thrust of this ruling, which is that he can't discharge this debt through bankruptcy, which has been his entire plan

for like six months, at least. He's been constantly telling the audience on air that the bankruptcy is going well, and that the court is looking into his finances and they're saying, the money isn't there, it's all a fraud, he's saying that all these people from the, all the people who are made to work with him through the process.

What's the kick up the word? Damn it. The people who are working with the bankruptcy court that are like in his, in his shit. Oh, yeah. He's saying that they're looking through all the finances and they're like, you're right, Alex. That's what you've been telling people.

He's been feeding them that line that the bankruptcy court is gonna swoop in and undo all the damages. And now that it's clear that's not gonna happen, there's no correcting. There's no him being like, there's no I was wrong. Only me and my lawyers saw this coming. If they saw this coming, then Alex has been lying to his audience constantly to keep them donating money. Yeah, that's basically what's happened.

It is fun whenever you have the ability to say things, but then people won't connect them to what they mean. Right. Or things you said before. I saw this coming. Okay, if you did, that means you were lying. Are you willing to take responsibility? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

If you saw this coming, you have defrauded your audience. You've taken so much of our money by saying other things. On the premise that this reorganization is going to work out and everybody's finding out that everybody lied about you in the trial and all this, but that's not the case. That's happening. People can just hear him say that and go, that's good. Yeah. He's a step ahead. Well, it's because he is exploiting that emotional connection of my consequences or a threat to you. And so because that emotional stake is there, you're not paying attention to these things that he's saying and what they imply about his past actions or the lies that he's told to get to this point.

Also, when Alex is talking about how he's not into money and how he's wearing all these old clothes, there's a moment where it looks like he's trying to make sure he didn't accidentally wear one of his $20,000 watches Just smart to take that off before you do the I'm not into money very wise very wise Yeah, yeah always always forget you're bling at home whenever you're about to do that. I'm broke right I don't have any money. Yeah, so this next clip is where I thought there was a little bit of pettingess coming in Here's the bottom line the real victory here is the Connecticut lawyers and Senator Blumenthal who runs this. Their victory in cutting Texas

out of this massive $1.5 billion verdict that doesn't matter because I don't have a million dollars. I'm over a million dollars in the whole right now personally. And I'm preparing to sell my car and all of our stuff. I don't care. What matters is the free speech. And Christ said, if you're for me, the world will be against you. You will be persecuted. So, I expect this to happen.

It's happening to President Trump. It's happening to you. The inflation is destroying the American people. Sorry? Which car are you going to sell? You sell that tank? Yeah. What car are you going to sell to get a million dollars? Maybe try to sell in one or two of those

boats? Yeah, or some of your properties. Might be a good idea. So this is a very interesting construction because Alex is trying to pit the Connecticut plaintiffs and the Texas plaintiffs against each other as if they're operating opposing camps, vying for Alex's money. Obviously, they'd all like to get a chunk of what's owed to them, but I know from interacting with both sides of the situation that they don't view it as a zero sum game. Like it's just ridiculous. Alex is only out for himself and sees the world in competitive binaries, so the only way that he can understand this case is in that context.

And tries and thinks that they're competing forces. Plus this allows him to portray the plaintiffs as shitty, money-hungry people willing to turn on each other for a buck, which is far from reality. Also, Alex needs to adjust his talking points, because he's relying on old ones. This inflation thing was a COVID talking point, and it was definitely true in 2021 and 2022,

which saw inflation rates of 7 and 6.5% respectively. But that number is way down in 2023. Particularly since April, we've seen major dips in inflation rates. And the most recent available data is for September at 3.7% compared to 8.2% in September of last year. These trends are going in the right direction, and though the numbers are higher than pre-pandemic numbers,

it's headed back towards the previous normal. But Alex knows that it's a buzz word that he's built up in the audience's mind, so you can just hit that button and evoke all the feelings of the globalists trying to ruin you financially through it. So that's the game. Update, you're talking points.

Yeah, that one's rough. I do recognize the low low the base cunning of it You know like the idea people against yeah, obviously it makes sense You've got two different lawsuits you get two different outcomes from the judge so you figure oh maybe this will will have some Some sort of function, but boy you picked the wrong folks to try and do that with I you picked the wrong folks to try and do that with. I was just saying it happened. I'm great. I don't know everybody or anything.

That's true. But I do know from everything I have experienced and everybody that I've talked to, there's a tremendous amount of solidarity between the plaintiffs in both cases and beyond. And so like, I think that this is, reveals more about Alex than it does about anybody else. Yeah, I mean,, is Alex is so bad that a species known for divisiveness will band together to defeat them. I hate it.

Yeah. So we get into some Mark Twain quotes here, which is always fun, because What? It's just from Missouri, right? Mark Twain? Yeah. I'm from Missouri.

That's true. That's fun. You're gonna see all the other helps me, so I'm done. I'm over and we're defeated. Mark Twain said, rumors of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. The kid was saying he was dead all the time, and he didn't die for like 30 years. So I want to quote Mark Twain again.

In the beginning, a patriot is a scarce man, hated, feared, and scorned. But in the end, when his cause succeeds, the timid joined him because then it cost nothing to be a patriot. I am so blessed to be in the crystal bowl, so blessed to be under this attack. Yeah, what a blessing. So if you listen to Alex enough, you start to realize that when he was young, he must have just spent some time memorizing a couple quotes, which he now just repeats constantly.

That Twain won about the Patriots, that's definitely one of his favorites, but it just kind of gets annoying how he shoe horns these quotes in all the time. Like it's some mark of literacy. Yeah. Like having read a bunch. People think that quotes are like a measure of.

Yeah, yeah. It's weird. So that first Twain quote is also not in context. What happened there was that there were rumors circulating in 18, woof, fuck, I wrote 1987, that is not correct. I knew that. So close. I think it was 1897.

Rumors of his death in 1987. They were not exactly. Right on, no exaggeration whatsoever. Yeah. Yeah, but they, they, they, I was like, 1897. Yeah. Yeah. But the I was night 1897. That makes it. There were rumors that he had died or used very sick. This was based on one of his cousins falling severely ill and then communications not being very advanced back in those days. He was

contacted by a journalist from the New York Journal to comment on the rumors of his death and Twain explained the situation with his cousin and said, quote, the report of my illness grew out of his illness. The report of my death was an exaggeration. It's not quite as fun or dishy in its original context and phrasing. When Alex is done, he's wrote a story about it in his head about why Twain would say this. Obviously, people have been constantly assuming he was dead and as opposed to it being the

result of a specific misunderstanding Yeah, it's basically like he's using this in the context that villains use it in movies as opposed to yeah That's where he's going from as opposed to like actually twain. Yeah, and It's it's just it's just like or maybe some heroes in movies Why why would you be? It like I don't understand it. You're an adult. You don't need to do this like eighth grade. I'll just make up, oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no.

People were constantly saying that Mark Twain was dead all the time. Why, why would you say that? Well, because, what are you doing? Because Alex is the master of assuming things and making up stories in his head and then repeating them to his audience as established fact, which is a fancy way of saying a lie. It's just, it's just such a weird fabrication.

Well, you know, it's kind of the same impulse that would lead you and your kid to be like my uncle works in Nintendo and he, you know, like it's the same kind of instinct of needing to seem interesting and needing to know things. And yeah, it's just a childish impulse. No, it's like, yeah, it's like that Mike Burbiglia story about the kid growing up who would just lie about real weird things that weren't impressive to other kids, you know, like my dad's a state treasurer

and you're like, what? Who cares? Who cares? And also why? What? So with that second quotation, the one about the Patriots, that's a, that's a,

that's from a notebook that Mark Twain had. It's in a section called Maxim's in the Rough. Essentially, this was a place where he was trying to work out some pithy sayings that he was gonna use to float on the public. I love that. Just before this quote, Mark Twain had written,

quote, pops is down in the style. I love that just before this quote Mark Twain had written quote Pops is down in the style you'll know him from the hogs because he's got his hat on So he's one that one didn't stick earlier in the section he has the series of wordings for a potential newsinger Quote none but the dead have free speech quote none but the dead are permitted to speak the truth Quote in America as elsewhere free speech is as confined but the dead are permitted to speak the truth. Quote, in America, as elsewhere, free speech is confined to the dead. This is a comedian's notebook, man. He was working out bits, trying to move words around and see if he can come up with something that he wants to bring to the stage.

The fact that the pet, that patriot quote, is it in this section and it's the only place that appears in Twain's published catalog, it kind of makes you think that it wasn't fully cooked. Maybe he wasn't done with that one yet. That's funny. Also, this notebook is wild. It's just stray thoughts that Mark Twain had and some of them are kind of a bummer, like this one. Quote, we are all inconsistent. We are offended and resent it when people do not respect us. And yet, no, man, deep down in the privacy of his heart as any considerable respect for himself. Ooh, deep. Mark. Mark.

Yeah, listen, listen, I wouldn't want, when I die, believe me, all of my notebooks will be burned. I don't want any of that shit left alive. I imagine it'll be bleaker than that, but still. It could be pretty bleak. There's no like turn of phrase or interesting like cleverness to that. Ah, it's an observation. Right, but you wouldn't hear that'd be like classic twain.

Yeah, that's fair. And not for nothing, also, Mark Twain really doesn't like the idea of patriotism much. Elsewhere in the notebook he says this, quote, patriotism, what humbug it is. It's a word that which always commemorates a robbery. There isn't a foot of land in the world which doesn't represent the ousting and re-austing of a long line of successive, quote, owners who each in turn as patriots with proud, swelling hearts defended against the next gang of robbers who come in to steal it and and did and become the selling, uh, book, become the swelling-hearted patriots in their turn. There's another point where he says, quote, a man can be a Christian or a patriot, but he can't legally be a Christian and a patriot,

except in the usual way, one of the two with his mouth, the other with his heart. I don't know. I guess what I'm saying is that Twain is a guy who's always boiled down to these pithy statements, but reality is often more complex than can be captured in an aphorism. The important thing to remember is that Alex absolutely never read this notebook of Twain's and only knows this quote from some right wing ass meme he saw or some white nationalist leaning publication that his dad got in the mail, which I used to Twain's quote to justify whether ranks are so small. Why aren't there as many racists as that we think there should be? mean because if hatred is a scarce man

It really is it really is a fucking tragedy for Samuel Clemens unused words unpublished on purpose are then given to a fucking monster and used as a Cudule to lie and hurt people something that that Mark Twain famously, not a fan of. Also, if Mark Twain says, hey, in tough times, there aren't many patriots, but then when it's easier to be a patriot,

there are more people on that side. Yeah, that's not a positive thing he's saying. Well, but also, well, it's not a positive thing about generally the population, but then also, why do we believe it's true? He just said it. It doesn't mean it's true. No, if you say some smart things, then a ton of smart things have to be true.

Also, if you look at it in the context of like the parts that come around that, it's clearly more condemnation of the public. Yeah. You know, it's, it's everyone's a coward. Yeah, the people will, yeah, that's, he's, he's rewriting history is written by the victors. Mm-hmm. That's what he's doing with that quote. Not, not like a, uh, oh's he's he's rewriting history is written by the victors mm-hmm that's what he's doing with that quote not not like uh... uh...

oh he's actually a good guy from the start and then after murdering a bunch of people everybody's like wow he is a good guy i think it's debatable but that's probably just based on how it's phrased in the in the text yeah um... but i think i think you could assume that there are it's there it might be an instance that he's describing where someone is a good person from the start and he's hated and scorned for it, but as people come to agree with his conclusion,

their cowardice goes away. Sure. And that is kind of close to what Alex is saying, but it's less about the person who's a patriot and more about condemning the cowards. The cowardice. But either way, I don't know, I just wanted to look into something and basically turned out Mark Twain's notebook was it?

That works out. So Alex just needs money. That's really what it comes down to. Yeah. And so to me, as long as they're mind control, as long as their Jedi mind trick doesn't work on me, I continue and I win. It's not working on me. Don't let it work on you.

Your support of info wars.com. Your support of Bandai video. You're buying on the products. You're spreading the word. You're sharing the links is scaring the establishment to its core. Now it gets into complex issues, but free speech is separate from me. Free speech is still on air operating going forward. And if they shut that down, we got a thousand new operations ready. You got mud, but it looks like they won't be able to, but regardless, Alex Jones

his persecution is a symbol of our strength. It's a symbol of our will. It is an honor as a warrior for humanity to stand for the people and to not back down. I knew this was coming. I'm surprised they haven't already killed me. So I'm here thanking you for your support. So what you can do now is spread the word about the broadcast when they demonize me and lie about me stand up for me

because they see me as an archetype of you as the populous man standing up for me because they see me as an archetype of you as the populist man standing up for freedom. Yeah, so I mean, it is really just the like what you boiled down this entire video too is essentially my consequences are a threat to you. And if he can instill that into the audience's mind, which I think he's done a fairly good job of doing over the years, then no bad news or negative thing about him really affects the true audience believers mind.

Right. Like they're always going to see whatever terrible thing comes out about Alex as an attack on them. Right. And that's good of said in order. I mean, yeah, in order for this to change, Alex has to go away. And they have to realize they don't care about Alex and all of the stuff, you know, I mean, yeah, in order for this to change, Alex has to go away. And they have to realize they don't care about Alex and all of the stuff, you know, like,

if they can't... Or eventually you kind of hope that they will realize that nothing happens and it keeps... Yeah, exactly. Even if Alex is still there, they have like sort of a watershed moment where they open their eyes and see like, wait a second.

It's gonna be fine. This keeps going on. Yeah. I mean, I want what I want is the, I want Alex to be gone for long enough for them to stop caring and then for Alex to ask and them to go, oh, we don't care about you anymore. And that's what I want. We realize that you were manipulating us by pretending that you could fill an emotional need that we have for safety and security.

And it turns out you can't and we resent you for it. Yeah. That would be nice. That would be an ideal situation. I would accept that. And then the other thing too, the you have to, you know, that's obviously entangled with this very heavily is the notion that Alex has of consequences equaling virtue. Yeah.

That he's instilled in the audience where all these negative things are happening to me because I'm so right and so dangerous to the globalists. And as long as those two ideas, those pillars are in people's minds, it's very difficult for any negative information about him to stick. Yeah, I mean, you've got armor that is, I mean, it's main character armor level, you know, it's insane. Get this though. It's main character armor in the audience's life.

Yeah. It's like, yeah, you can't kill him. You are the main character of the audience's life. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. They give you more than they are. Yeah. So Alex, he gets back to his note of the cases being opposed to each other in this next clip.

So this victory is Connecticut swooping in and getting the billion plus dollars from Texas, which doesn't exist. It's like they're fighting over a lottery ticket that's six months old and was a bad number. So I don't like to laugh at these people, but I mean, I don't know how you don't. I am upside down a million dollars personally. I've never been happier. Thank you so much for your support. Thank you so much for your word of mouth.

And don't let these wizards, these alchemists manipulate your mind. I think you're talking about literal wizards. Yeah, I believe he is talking about people who are capable of using. Don't let Gandalf turn you against me. Magical powers. Don't superhuman.

Don't let Merlin the magician turn you against me. I don't think he's talking about the big names. I think he's talking about the low level magicians, you know. Somebody who's doing regular. Don't let Yuri Gallard turn you against me. Listen, don't let Yuri Gallard turn you against me. Listen, don't let Yuri Geller. I'm going to second that one. Don't let the guy on the corner doing close-up. I'm running out of agitions. So yeah, this notion is very bizarre. And again, it seems like Alex had a couple of points.

It is mind of like, all right, these are the things that I'm gonna do in order to deflect from this news. There's going to be the turning the cases against each other in the audience's mind out of nowhere. For no reason. And then the other is just the standard my consequences are a threat to you.

And I think that that is his response. And I think it's probably a good response for the audience. Like I think it's effective for them. It's all bullshit, but you can see that it could land. I mean, you can't, you just can't say like, wow, this one's the one that did it. Mm hmm. You know, like this one's the very bad news. Yeah, it is, it is like you have to, you have to present something, anything other

than this now is official. I now have a billion dollars that I can't discharge through bankruptcy. Yeah, I have, I am now wearing the giant own shape. This might life will never be the same from a financial perspective. Until I die. Yeah. Yeah. Or somehow pay off a billion dollars.

Or somehow pay off a billion dollars. Yeah. So I guess, I guess you can understand why he would do that. Yeah. But the other thing too that I find really interesting is this, this, like, the Connecticut case is sucking away the Texas one. Yeah.

It's very strange because of scale. You know, the Connecticut one's like a billion dollars. Yeah. And the Texas one was only 49 million. I think I think this one actually is personal. I think it's just he he doesn't like that Connecticut gets more money than Texas as a state issue. He's not talking about any of the actuality, any of the details of this person. There's a hundred petty reasons. You know, 80s 100% Texas is a better state than Connecticut. I'd rather give all my money to the Texas point.

I swear to you, I'm, because I had to very least there in Texas. But they don't live in Texas. No, he doesn't know that. He thinks they do. Right. Because he doesn't think about these people. I guess Mark lives in Texas.

Well, Mark does. The lawyers do. Yeah, that's true. So anyway, Alex aside is winning. That's the thing. Globalist are afraid because they're winning. The globalists are losing popular to be elected everywhere. And they're inditing them whether it's Boston, our own Brazil, or whether it's the leader 20 points ahead. There's a great patriot in Argentina. We're getting people elected in Italy and Sweden and the provinces in Canada everywhere.

There's too many examples, let's them all. We are winning. There's too many examples to listen all. That's why I struggled to come up with a few. Yeah. So Bolsonaro didn't win, so that's fine. And you know, if he's being prosecuted, it's for crimes he committed.

He did. Also, Alex has lately been warming up to this Argentinian candidate Javier Malay because he's heard people refer to him as Argentina's Trump. Alex knows literally nothing about this guy but because that's his branding, Alex is fully supporting him. That said, if Alex did learn anything about him, including even just knowing his name, he would support this guy.

Malay is a fucking lunatic who's proposing more or less to demolish the Argentinian government from within. One of the things he's proposing is doing a massive overhaul of the monetary system, and in his campaign he's really been disparaging the peso, going so far as to call it excrement and suggesting full dollarization or adopting the US dollar as the legal tender currency in the country. The fact that he's a major political figure now and he won the primary led to a collapse in the value of the peso, along with looting and hoarding of goods after the primary.

The peso was about 600, equivalent a dollar before the primary, which jumped to over 1000 after. That's why earlier this month, the prosecutor filed a case against Malay, accusing him of, quote, deliberately causing a drop in the Argentine currency. There's no indication of whether or not a judge will sign off on the case and it may ultimately go nowhere. You can say that his entire campaign is based on exploiting the fears that people have around the economy, so acting in ways that are designed to worsen the economy could be

a very manipulative tactic meant to bolster your campaign. However, just saying that this could be a possible motivation someone has doesn't prove that that's what they actually did or meant to do. I suspect that this case, the trial against Malay will not move forward, unless there's some pretty damning evidence somewhere that hasn't been presented, I don't know about, but he's just a shitty, right-wing-ass populist candidate

who's Trumpian in nature. Right. And... I heard he would also allow you to sell your organs. Yeah, I did see that too Now it's like a sexual organ sales see that's what I'm saying. I like a good organ sale So the situation in Argentina is bad and you hear a lot of people who express the sentiment that voting for Malay is a Chaotic move, but they feel that they're already in total chaos. Yeah, yeah, just blow it up things are already bad So how much worse can this guy make it?

It seems to be a prevailing attitude. We're recording this episode on the 22nd, which is the day of the Argentine election. So I'm not sure as we speak what the result is, but no matter what, you can expect that Malay will contest the results. Yeah. He's already been making the standard Trump style claims a voter fraud during the primary, even though he won,

laying the groundwork for a fraud claim that he can make if he loses the general. Italy's Prime Minister, Georgi Malone joined a neo-fascist Italian social movement when she was 15 and was the national leader of the student wing of the rebranded party, the National Alliance, which called itself, quote, post-fascist. This party was part of Burlesconi's coalition government, and this rose her to profile in politics, to a high level where she then started her own party

in 2012, the Brothers of Italy, which used iconography that was meant to be reminiscent of those fascist parties of the past. You may say that Maloney herself isn't necessarily a fascist, but her party is a lot of members who are sympathetic to that ideology, and her actions like her choice of logo, are meant to appeal to this faction in society.

She uses the language of the extreme right wing, stuff like demonizing immigrants or using pro-family to mean anti-LGBTQ to appeal to a broader base, but she is the head of a party that welcomes within its ranks, folks who would prefer to revert to fascist rule. Yeah. She's a very troubling figure and Alex knows nothing about her, including her name. The only thing he knows is that people lump her in with Trump and Bolsonaro, so that means she's cool in his book. You remember all the times that Alex says that he just does the opposite of what he thinks the globalist wants? He means that literally. It's very reflexive. So in Sweden, Alex doesn't really know what he's talking about, but essentially, an extreme right-wing party called Sweden Democrats' party got over 20% of the vote in the last election,

which shifted the makeup of the government and led to the resignation of the former coalition and the formation of a right-leaning government. The issue is that Sweden Democrats is a party that grew out of post-World War II Nazis wanting to assert power. In the years after the war, groups like Nordic Realm Party and keep Sweden's Swedish formed and receded. However, I'll read to you here from an article in the Boston Review. Quote, in 1988, leading figures from these groups came together to form the Sweden Democrats.

During the party's most radical years in the 1990s, it was led by a convicted former Nazi activist Anders Klarsehme, who was infamous for skinhead street violence. Just ahead of the recent election, the party published a white paper establishing that one of its founders had been of often SS volunteer during World War II. They are a party that doesn't really shy away too much from their Nazi origins, and their entire political project is to quote recreate the demographic homogeneity of Sweden by any means necessary. That's what Alex considers to be his side-winning, because that's his side.

That's what he wants in the US. As far as Canadian provinces go, I have no idea what he's talking about. This month there was just an election in Manitoba, but a center left party won that. In May there were elections in Alberta where the Conservative Party retained control of the legislative assembly, but also lost 11 seats compared to the left leaning party that gained 15. In April there was an election in Prince Edward Island, but the status quo remained mostly the same with the center right party retaining them.

Alex can't be talking about Ontario's 2022 election because Doug Ford won that. I know that Alex hates him. Maybe he's talking about Quebec where the coalition of a near Quebec, which is a nationalist center right party retain their majority, but they also won that majority in 2018 before this. I don't know what he's talking about. I think Alex might like Doug Ford again. I think so. I think Ford has done some, I think I remember recently in the past like six months to a year, he's done some right wing Trump shit. But I think you was reelected in 2022. Right. So it's not like this is a new thing that like the, their side starting to win.

I'm telling you, I think it's just possible. I think it is like the way that I'm describing it now is the reason that I think I'm right. It's because I am remembering it the way that I would similar that I think Alex would, which is like, I'm pretty sure Doug Ford did some right being Trump shit. We'll put him in the list today. I can see that.

I don't know. I know that I've heard him speak disparagingly afford in the past, but I could see the alliances shifting. I mean, the queen was a good person for a while. We've got anybody's fair game at this point. You can flip Doug Ford for sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I don't, if that's the case,

that one of the only things in the sort of provincial elections that I could see is being like what he's talking about. Yeah, it's the only thing I can think about. But then beyond that, you have the rising and power of a party in Sweden that grew out of neo-Nazi skinhead street violence. You have Georgia Maloney in Italy who has a party. Not see.

Well, at least fascist nostalgia is one of the ways that I've seen people describe it. Do you mean people who aligned with the Nazis? Mm. And then a very, very libertarian-ass, organ-selling Trump guy in Argentina. Yeah, yeah. So these are the wins that Alex is having.

And that's upsetting. Yeah, you know, when you go to a party and you turn and you look around at all the people around you, that should tell you who is at that the people around you. That should tell you who is at that party. Oh yeah. And who you are. Yeah. Yeah. If, uh, if the Sweden Democrats, wow, bunch of Georgia Malone's followers, this weird hope for our team is like the Axis powers. Well, trying to recreate the Axis powers. Scary. So we have one last clip here. Pan is also trying to create a more homogenous, that's not true.

Alex has, but Alex hasn't said it. No, I know. And also that's not true. Japan is going out of their way now to try and get more people in. That's why Alex is against them. That's also because they don't have enough children. They're choosing people. It's an island. It is an island. Yeah. So we have one last clip here.

And I feel like this is Alex Like I really feel some purity here on his part like this is some pure Alex The globalist are losing and is men that asked for the fight and gotten the fight when the enemy Hits us. We got to expect that we stood up We asked to take our legs and we're getting what we asked for. So I'm so happy right now, I'm so invigorated right now to be standing with you. That's the truth, and you'll find the reality of what's going on at info wars.com, force last show, and all the interviews I do, and everything else we do, but regardless

as a matter, I'm standing before God right now, God's watching. And what God wants is me to put it a hundred and ten percent, and I fall at the Alamo, it's an example to everybody else to win the larger war. And if I got to fall at Colonel Travis, and my family, and my history in Texas, I'm reliving that again. And if that's the case, and I'm supposed to be an example of people, this is a honor.

But regardless, I'm going to fight all the way as hard as I can to the end. And I appreciate you all. God bless and good luck. Good luck. Does he believe that he is the reincarnated Colonel Travis? Well, I don't know, probably. But I do know, and we talked about this hundreds of episodes ago, Alex is obsessed with seeing himself as Colonel Travis. And that I think

is such a pure aspect of him like this obsession with his own like noble destruction or something. And it's like, if you want to be Colonel Travis, just fucking stop with the stalling your feet. Be Colonel Travis already. I mean, he is. Well, in the sense that he's a loser, liar drunk. That's what I'm saying. Like, for sure. It's fascinating in so far as he thinks he's mythologically

following the mythological Colonel Travis, when in reality he's following the real kernel Travis. Yes. It is it is when nonfiction and fiction collide the line It's like I feel like if we are if holding Alex next to the Alama We can break through into a fantasy world that becomes real because the the barrier between false and real is gone. You know, you know, it's interesting here. What? Um, your argument, maybe not the magical wall breaking part.

Maybe not that part. No, but the part where the, uh, he thinks he's following the mythological version, but he is actually following the real person who is a loser. Yeah. And a weirdo. Yeah. You now are making an argument that makes me think that he is the reincarnation

of girl-tracks. That's what I'm saying. You know? He is destined to just follow the real path. Right. Well, insisting that there's some higher-minded, noble battle that he's involved in. The thing is, it's not just the being

a lying loser drunk. No, it's not. There's a lot of it. No, I have a lot of it. There's a lot of other things. Totally. I agree with you. It's also the delusional aspect that is tied together with that. So inexplicably, it's very, very fascinating. And then the other just part of this is the perfect purity Alex is like, it all just

comes down to go to the website, donate, give me money. It's all, that's all this is the perfect purity Alex is like, it all just comes down to go to the website. Now donate, give me money. It's all, that's all this is. Yeah. Now, I do wonder, I was texting you a little bit about this when the announcement happened of the, the, the, the judgment. Yeah. I see very little reason for Alex to keep free speech systems around much longer.

Right. That is not going to be something that is in his best interest because it is subject to this bankruptcy. Yeah. If he can start a new company, that would be the thing to do. And then just let free speech systems be taken. Right. At the very least, the company itself is no longer sure. No, no, no, no, for him to bring money into taken. Right. At the very least, the company itself is no longer sure. There's no reason for him to bring money into it. Right. That is just going to be churned through this bankruptcy system. Right. When in theory, he could start another business and like, have it not be right? Right. Well, he could start a new thing that he could be used as a piggy bank.

Right. The only thing is though is like, oh, he's also personally bankrupt. What is what is, well, yeah, but I mean, the reason that you would. The only thing is though is like. Oh, he's also a personally bankrupt. What is, what is, well yeah, but I mean, the reason that you would start a new thing is because, sure, they can garnish. Start it in your mom's name. They can garnish your wages and all of that stuff, but they can't actually, like the business itself isn't bankrupt.

In this case, Alex and FSS are both bankrupt. Yeah. But I don't see any way that Alex can form a media company that isn't just FSS. Right. But you could start a new one. Can you do that? I feel like you can't just start the, you can't have a company. You can't, you shudder it and then do the same company. I think, but I'm wrong. You can. I think everybody evil is done that. I think you can, but maybe you can't use the assets of free speech systems to do it.

Yeah, yeah. So Alex would be kind of screwed on my front. You gotta start fresh, yeah. Because I don't think that he could develop the infrastructure, all of that stuff again. I mean, he didn't in the first place, he can just ask his dad to do it. Well, that's, that might be fair way back.

But in terms of the process, I was being petty and I enjoyed it. Okay, I enjoyed it. Okay. Pety, fucking Tom Petty over here. So anyway, yeah, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, Like I said, I think that the the Options that he has for stalling are closing around him and no matter what the stalling is now a Situation where once all the options are exhausted you can't get rid of this debt Mm-hmm, and that is got to be a really tough Pill to swallow because you hope that you can get away from it.

You hope you can, uh-huh, almost had you. Right. But it not being discharged, it means you're not getting away from it. Well, because, and the problem there is if you're a scammer and a swindler, which Alex is, now you're not doing one scam, right? You're not doing one swindle. You have to find a way to scam and swindle the government and the bankruptcy court out of every single dollar.

Like every paycheck you get, you got to find a way to get it into cash before the government can see it, you know? That's a new swindle every time. Yeah, brutal. And another thing too, if you're a scammer and a swindler, one of the things that is most important is your freedom of movement. Oh, yeah.

You want to be able to get out of town if you need to. You got to be able to get out of town. And when you have this debt, that is basically a ball and chain. It's never going to go. It limits your movement. It limits your ability to run a new scam, run various other scams. One of the reasons that Alex has been able to set up the situation that he has with free speech systems and all these shell companies and trusts and stuff is because no one was paying attention. No one was looking. Now he tries to do this kind

of stuff. He's never going to be able to get away with this. So he's got to leave the country. I think, oh, you could go to Argentina. I mean, it's, it's, it's got to be the, the ultimate irony of, of his life is to the Patriot is to be exiled from the Patriot expatriate. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he has to be exiled from the country he professes to love so much, but I'm never to return. If Trump loses in 2024, there's a very convenient narrative way for him to do that, though. Sure. You know, be like, well, look, the globals have taken over too much control. There's no hope of anything in the United States. You got to get out.

I formed a rid out somewhere. I don't know. Also, I'm not going to tell anybody and I'm not leaving through customs. Are you the chopper? We've got a helicopter. So we'll be back with another episode. But, you know, it might involve Nick Quentes and who he doesn't. But until then, we have a website.

And Tvdu, it's Elejphight.com. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter, is that an Elejphight? Yep, we're also gonna be back. Booh! Yikes. Somebody wasn't thinking. Nope.

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