Knowledge Fight - #863: Keepin' It Fake, With Vivek

Episode Date: October 27, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan chat about some of the high/low-lights from Alex's recent interview with Vivek Ramaswamy, who is techincally running for president.

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Andy and Pamela. Andy and Pamela. I need Andy. It's time to pray. Andy and Pamela, sure, on handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, handle, Welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm George. A terrible dudes like to sit around worship with the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Joe Indeed, we are Dan Jordan. Dan Jordan. Dan quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today, buddy? I want you go first. My bright spot Dan is so through a combination of Promotions and airline miles. Okay from our trip. Mm-hmm. All right. I was able to essentially procure a VR headset for free. Whoa. Yeah. VR headset for your PlayStation. Yeah. No, no, just one of the ones that you can have with like connected to your phone and your PC and stuff. Don't ask me. What does it, what does it do? VR, you know, like we went to the VR bar. Yeah. It's the one of those. Okay. Yeah, but what do you play with it?

tennis, okay, and the tennis simulator is fucking Is it tennis on your computer? No, you put a game on your it's on the headset itself. Okay, the headset Conjure it like the connect to your computer. I mean it can connect to your computer. Yeah, what? Yeah, I don't understand. computer, yeah. What? Yeah. I don't understand. Don't worry about it. Okay. So here's what's important.

I think of it as an accessory, you know, like the light gun from Duck Hunt. Right, right, right, right, right, right, I get what you're saying. So I don't understand it not being paired with something that is actually playing the game. No, no, no, it's all inside of the game. Yeah.

They've made computer chips pretty small these days. Son of a bitch. But, but yeah, so, uh, so yeah, no, no, it's all inside. They made computer chips pretty small these days. Son of a bitch. But, but yeah, so, uh, so yeah, the tennis thing, like I was practicing, I'm, I'm legitimately soar-entire from how realistic and like, it's fucking crazy. So this is, this is, um, a nice way that they could have actually made we, uh, fit and we sports, uh, work a little bit better. If it had worked 10 years ago, it would have worked. Wow. This is not so, yeah.

So it was like, oh, we can exercise during the winter. When it's raining out. And the next thing that happened, it was 80 degrees the next day. Yeah, man. Just talk about like some nonsense weather here in Chicago. We had all this, like it's been gloomy as hell. 45 degrees, and now it's back to 60s and raining. And God, just get it together, Chicago.

That day that we went from 45 to 80, we both woke up and it was like our sinuses had gone from your head to your feet. Like it was like, blah! I have like a little update thing, weather thing on my laptop. Yeah. And I don't know exactly what it said,

but I think it said something it was jarring. Yeah. So what's your bright spot? I'm having a difficult time coming up with a bright spot. So I'm gonna say, I'll tell you what. What's that? You just received some freeze dried skittle. Are you trying to force me into a bright spot? See it?

We got something in the mail bag, very nice gift of candies. Freezdried stuff. Oh yeah. This was sent to us from the stones. I'm assuming a family name. Yeah, it's interesting. It's a skittle, but it's been exploded in like a freezdryer, so it's not chewy or anything.

It's like a popcorn had an orange flavor to it. Yeah, well with the orange ones anyway. Well, yeah, well, yeah. This is not my bright spot, but thank you very much to the staff. I was just trying to help you out. No, I appreciate that, but, hey man, chill out. I was killing time, basically. I'm giving you more time to think about.

I mentioned that I watched some big brother, because I wanted to see what happens on that show. And I don't know what happens on that show. And now I do know what happens on that show. And I complained about it and I said it's a bad show and I stand by that. But a listener emailed or sent a message that was like, you gotta keep giving it a shot. It's so good. And so I did watch some more.

And my opinion has not changed. I think it's a terrible show. Yeah. I think that they use way too many goofy sound effects like it's fucking America's finest home videos. Oh, that's worse than that. Oh, no They're obsessed with slime in a way that is reminiscent of 90s and Nickelodeon Really? Yes. Okay. Slime all over the I mean, that's kind of a selling point

But now that I think about maybe I'm too old for that. They seem to think that there's some kind of charm and getting people dirty Do they have they used that kind of like flinstones but You know where they jump into the air and they're trying to that side of anyone jumped in the air and Know what else they use all the time the sound of a bowling pin getting knocked I don't know what else to use all the time. The sound of bowling pin getting knocked over. Oh, yeah, that one. Yeah, whatever. Something gets knocked over.

It's very, very bad. It's as bad in terms of editing as like the challenge is good. Yeah. That's how I would describe it. Shockingly good editing on the challenge. And I, I, it sucks. It is a bad show, but I watched, I've watched parts of two seasons at this point. And the second season that I had watched is so much better. And the reason is casting.

Like it is, it is a show that lives and dies by how they cast the show. Yeah. Like if you do not have interesting dynamic people in there, it is so glaring all the fart noises. Right. Right. Right. And then a P last shit. Yeah. I mean, it's not like people that are interesting. It's like, yeah, you put up with this a little bit. Sure. But I mean, if you were making fucking breaking bad and you had terrible characters, you know, you've got the plot to rely on, you know, if you're making a reality show, you got nothing. You got, you know, like, oh, we got a, we got a

barrel roll to this next, uh, everybody, you know, one foot for an hour. They love a barrel roll. They do love the barrel roll. I guess I want a barrel roll. That'll be worth it. The thing, the problem that I have is when there aren't dynamic interesting people to be like, oh, this person's interesting. Yeah. Then what you have is a show that's edited poorly and the sense of humor of it is that they have a sense of humor. You know what I mean?

Yes. Like, and that is not funny. It, the show thinks it's fucking funny and it's not. That's the worst. Yeah. It's, it's, it's painful to watch. Yeah. And yet, I'm probably going to watch a little bit more of it.

I mean, I know. It's there. It is like JFK said. It's there. It's there. It's why it's there. Yep. Oh, anyway, not totally a bright spot.

Yeah. More of a jeers. That's a little bit of a jeer. Except, I guess the bright spot is is there a couple of interesting characters on the second group of people that I've watched on this Yeah, that's a bright spot. There's one guy who appears to be a mobster, and I think that's fun on season 19 I'm telling you this guy seems like he is definitely mobbed up I truly believe that in order to earn the name Big Brother at least one character Perseize and has to just be disappeared and no one can talk or one person has to secretly be in the CIA

Yes totally absolutely like there has to be a plant there has to be some work that's the mole No, no, no, but it has to be real once again Someone has to be he's facing serious big brother style consequences here. Unbelievably, like they're framed for some, but he needs to be framed for murder by the CIA. Okay. All right. You see what I'm saying?

Sure. Now we now we get a, uh, uh, unbelievably bad show. Yeah. So bad. Yeah. I was that whoever told me to watch more. I did. Actually, I probably would have anyway.

Yeah. That's true. So Jordan, today, we have an episode to go over. I mentioned on our last episode that we were going to get into Nick Foyntas being on Info Wars, to have a little debate with Alex. And that actually, we're recording this on Thursday. That was on Wednesday.

And I wasn't able to get this all sort of balanced out and ready to go. So we'll talk about that on Monday. Yeah. So for today, we have something else that happened in Info Wars world. And it's not Oh and Shore going to prison in the world. I was totally expecting it to be Oh and Shore

going to prison. No, and it's not Jack Bessobic pretending that Oh and got sent to solitary confinement immediately after being sent to prison. I'm sorry, what? Yeah, you tweeted about that. Oh my god Um, no, it's none of these things. Is something else all together?

What's up? Oh my god, we've got oh and shawyer in here. He can't be allowed in Jen pop get him isolated send him to the hole Yeah, all right. I was texting with Amanda Moore And I was telling her that I want Owen to come out of prison with a teardrop tattoo some some something that is permanent that is like yes you were to you know like a scar a tattoo doctor up to choose the best because that implies that he killed someone yeah but you know he didn't of course not but it would be fun they would be fun the other thing that i want i've i've i've fantasizing about is he comes out of prison and he enters the infoo Wars studios like the

The guys in that scared straight show sure sure absolutely he walks that he's like Alex hold on to my shirt hold on my shirt Alex give me your shoes I can hold movies Have you seen this what you want to be have What do you want to be? Have you seen those old scared straights? I was not happy! Those are awesome. They are awesome. They are terrible. They're just terrorizing these children.

Yeah. It's wild. The ones, I remember distinctly, at least one or two where the kids refused to be terrorized. And it, like, everybody's world came crashing down. The people scared straighting we're like I don't know if this doesn't mean anything man. I don't know I don't know I've seen that one but I know I've seen ones where they were like resistant Mm-hmm and then the prisoners or ex-prisoners would escalate yeah

Yeah, those kids who are resistant would end up crying the ones and it was it's horrifying There were there were a couple where you're like There is no way they approved this 70s right right and like that is would never fly If I were call correctly to it's been a long time since I've seen the original one, but it was my it's my Memory that it didn't really work. Like the, the, None of them work. The epilogue is like, the kids went back to prison

and they got in trouble. Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, I want Owen Troyer to do that in the Infoer studios after he comes out. Oh, you know, there is a little bit of drama about how the Infoer isn't paying him while he's in prison and this might cause trouble. God, if he, if he comes out, walks down the court,

walks down the steps, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, I don't know how it happened, but while I was in prison, I'm gonna be doing sports for KSR19 in Minneapolis, Minnesota. That would be the smartest possible thing he could do. Absolutely. And it would be great if he just turned on Alex

and was like, here comes some dirty laundry. It comes at Alex. You should have paid me all those over there. I mean, you should have paid him. Why, why don't you pay, you pay the people who know where the bodies are later. I mean, that's simple. Or you bury their body. There's two ways to go. Yeah. So we get down to business on whatever this is. Yeah. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, I just listened to 800-something episodes about Alex Jones, and now my brains are leaking out of my ears. Thank you so much, you're an out-pollicy wank.

I'm a policy wank. Thank you very much. Thank you. So they used to involve people in Egypt. They would listen to our show. Interesting, huh? Next, Sabrina, who often has dreams, she's chastising Alex Jones. Thank you so much, you're an out-pollicy wank.

I'm a policy wank. Thank you very much. All right, two examples of people who are listening to our show too much Yeah, so next sodomite sent me a bucket of poop and I donated to the Yale Scullin bones poop that thank you so much You're an owl policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. It's important to keep that thing full Yeah, next I had a god awful day But my bright spot is the back catalogs of a couple sweet boys talking about some less sweet stuff Thank you so much you're an owl policy wonk. I'm a policy won Thank you very much very nice better bright spot than big brother. Yeah next Paul stop calling our cattle libertarian Thank you so much. You're an owl policy won't I'm a policy won

More more petty I'm more notes that more yeah shoutouts that could be On the yeah, yeah, absolutely I dig it and we have a a tech director out of the mix, and I'm sorry, Jordan, I accidentally scrolled ahead. So the pronunciation trap is the word in the form of a bitch. Oh, I didn't mean to. Well done. But I accidentally did.

So thank you so much, RIP Ailey, slaying by demon globalists, you are now a techocrat. I'm a policy walk. For starters, the home team of the teller you're brilliant. Someone, someone, satanite, sent me a book in a poop daddy shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little little kitty baby

I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much Yeah, thank you very much and just a fun here's how I would have pronounced it if I hadn't to accidentally read ahead And just a fun here's how I would have pronounced it if I hadn't have accidentally read ahead Il de che Yep, Il de that's not bad. That's not bad compared to what I was thinking it was Mm-hmm. Yeah, the D.H. is is confusing if I if I had guessed I Lee out of that you would have given me a million dollars Yeah, no chance so many fun weird names. I'm learning how to pronounce it don't look anything like the letters that are there You know names are just sounds that we make from our mouths. It's true.

You know, there's no spelling. Yeah. You can, you can, you can, just phonem, maybe. Phonem's, just phonetic spellings. So Jordan, today, yeah. We have an episode and what we're gonna be talking about is that Alex did a little bit of an interview

with presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy. What? Yeah, so Vivek was in town in Austin. I guess part of his pretend campaign for president. Right. Right. And so he sat down with Alex and they recorded a little interview. Okay. So the guy who was on the debate stage is interviewing Alex. Yeah. Not the other way around. Episode six of the Vakes Twitter show. Well, I think I just saw the real disappointment show up on your face. Yeah, I think he's I think he's got a chance to become president. I'll tell you that. He's got the goods.

If anyone with a Twitter show becomes president, I'm out. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, I, I will say that I thought that I didn't realize that this took place in Austin. Sure. Because I don't know where Vivek is at any point in time. I don't know what he's doing. No one does. Um, that's one of his powers. Yeah. Yeah. The stewardess. So I thought like Alex took that vacation. Oh, it must have been to go wherever Vivek is. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure of the room, not the case. This happened in Austin. However, during the interview, we learned where his last vacation was. He went to Maine to go visit Tucker. Apparently, he, uh, if you believe Alex, he went to Maine to go hang out and, uh,

cabin with, uh, with Tucker or something. That's so strange. That's just so strange. I don't know. I mean, there's a part of me that says it makes sense. There's really who can understand you? Well, who can you have a conversation with about your like work life? Well, and if you want to get a vacation buddy, the best way to do it is to declare that the most important you would be on earth. I hope so.

Yeah, it's a, hey, do you want to go to this destination wedding the most important person on earth? Can you imagine how great Alex would make you feel about yourself if you were like he thinks you're the most important person in the world That's got to be an ego boost and love bomb is how they do it. Woo. Yeah. So anyway, Alex is getting interviewed by Vivek and Here is a little out of context drop from today's show. Okay. I'm a populist. I mean, just take, I hate, I hate labels. They're not useful. I agree. Yeah, I agree. I mean, that's, you, that's just a sound. That's just a, he's not responding to the meaning of the words. That just, that might as well just, I'm a populist. I hate labels. I'm a two, me two, man.

I'm a suck. I hate, Oh, God. So here we go. We're going to jump in. And here is Vivek setting up the idea of this interview. And how everyone told him not to do it. Right. I'm talking to the day to somebody who I'm meeting for the first time.

I met him a few minutes ago for the first time. I actually don't know a lot about him. The number one thing I know about him is that everybody has told me not to talk to him, which is what made me want to actually sit down and talk to him. The United States of Red Light founded on free speech and open debate. It's in the first amendment for a reason. First amendment doesn't really involve people not having the right to give you good advice about who to steer clear of. It's not a violation of your rights if people say that you're bad news and too messy to deal

with. The Vakes should have listened to the people around him except I don't think there are actually R people around him telling him that he shouldn't talk to Alex. Let me explain what I mean. The Vakes presidential campaign is completely dead in the water. He has no shot at the GOP primary. Trump is a lock for that, and even if by some bizarre miracle, Trump isn't able to run, the Vague isn't even positioned in a way that he can capitalize on the outrage that could

cause. If anything, that will likely drive most people to RFK Jr.'s third party run, because the next most popular, viable GOP candidate is Ron DeSantis, who I'm told is lacking in Riz. Even as Down in the Dumps as DeSantis, he's still pulling about 3 times higher than VVAC. VVAC knows all of this and I would be surprised if he's even serious about the campaign at all at this point. He's part of a long tradition of GOP primary candidates that use the pulpit to launch

their own personal brand. It's impossible to count the number of candidates who have just used running for president as a way to sell books, and I believe that the fake is doing the same thing, except he wants to be a talk show or radio host. Yeah, that makes sense. He wants to be another Tucker, and it's very clear based on this whole Twitter show that he's doing. He's essentially doing a Tucker impression.

The videos are posted in an identical format as Tucker's, and he's trying to pull controversial guests in to mirror Tucker's whole stick. So Vivek's guest list so far is a clear indication that he's trying to court a particular type of audience, specifically the more fringe elements of the right wing who are still close enough to acceptability to not get him put into any particular box that he can't get out of. For instance, he's not going to have David Duke, Richard Spencer, Nick Fuentes, but he's going to have people who might associate with them on as guests. Don't quote me on that. Actually, I could see him booking Fuentes in the future.

Yeah. And now we're going to play a game. Okay. I'm going to give you clues and you can see if you can actually, I'm going to go ahead and you're not going to be able to guess a couple of these. Okay. Well, I mean, I would be surprised if I could guess any of them. So guess number five, episode number five was Royce White, who's the former NBA player

who's a, he does the right for our on Alex's show. Yeah. And so he's an Infoers personality. Four is Zubi, who's a musician and anti LGBTQ kind of guy. He's sure. Yeah. So Zubi, Zubi, the kids, he's popular in a certain section of the internet and culture. And I that's not necessarily right. I don't I don't know

all that much about him, but I've seen the name. Some things are just not for me. Number three. All right. Number three. Guess number three. Uh, Fallon. Fallon? No, it's not that guy. Although, although it does fit. I know, but is he a felon? I mean, he's committed felonies, but he has not been and broken international law and multiple. Okay. And now I'm starting to question whether or not the person I'm talking about was actually convicted of the felony. Okay. I think he was. All right. Um, uh, you know, the proud boys guy. Oh, no. No. Uh, more of the felony. I think he was. All right. Um, you know, the Proud Boys guy. Ooh, no. No.

More of the media figure. More of a fuck. Investigative journalist. It's not a green walled. No. No, it's the vice guy. No. No, God, demon's a key.

James a key. All been fucking fired. Or cause they've all committed crimes. It's Project Veritas's formerly Project Veritas's James O'Keefe. Man, a lot of people have found it organizations been convicted of crimes and been kicked out of those organizations. Guest number two, episode number two, that he did.

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Although, might be some similarities. Oh, could there be that? The lips of TikTok, person. Why are right check? I've never, I didn't know that that was a human person. I thought that was like a... Oh, you thought it was like an amalgamation of the... Yeah, yeah, I thought it was like the lips of TikTok.

She kind of... She kind of has a team. I would assume at this point But yeah, she was the second guest that Vivek had on first guest wild first guest number one guest Alex Jones no no no no that's the one that we're doing now right first guest when you're coming out the box You want to be hot and fresh and ready oh boy racist pizza maker What hot and fresh and ready. Oh boy. Racist pizza maker. What?

That's all the clue you should be. What? I genuinely don't, who's a racist pizza maker? Racist pizza maker. Racist pizza maker, is it the Q&A in Shaman? No. I have no idea who a racist pizza man is. Papa John. What?

What? What? I would never have guessed pizza van leads to Papa John I was him I was in my head like I'm trying to figure out no I was trying to figure out that it's got to be something to do with pizza gate or it is a pizza delivery person Who has just been on Twitter for being somebody that canceled? Yeah? Yeah? got canceled. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Some ways Papa John was canceled. Wow. Wow. Papa John. Papa John. His first episode right out the gate. Blockbuster booking hot and fresh. Papa Jax. Lots of toppings. Telling you got to get the guy from Little

Seagull. Papa John. Kaya right chick of Lebs of TikTok. James O'Keefe, Zubi Royce White, Alex Jones. It's quite a list. It's an intentional list. Yeah, yeah, that is a list. Papa John, though, first is really fun. Papa John, all right. So here's what I'm getting at, where I don't believe that people told Vivek not to interview Alex. This is part of his self-congratulatory speech that everyone who interviews

Alex recites in order to inflate their own position. Yeah, this has nothing to do with Alex. This is Vivek patting himself on the back for being so into free speech that he's willing to talk to Alex. Alex is a prop for these people to flex their free speech credentials. He's like the Carolina Reaper of free speech posturing.

It is, yeah. He's like, oh, I took on the free speech challenge to talking to Alex. Yeah, 100% the free speech speech that we hear before that is as common as the new dad speech. Like, you know, the moment I looked into his eyes, I was like, Oh, I would die for you. Yeah. Yeah.

If I were Alex, I would probably start to get a little offended by this objectification, but Alex is so desperate for anyone with even a bit of clout to have him around. I don't see him standing up for himself at any point. Anyway, I look forward to Alex not asking Vivek at all about his connection to George Soros through his having received the Paul and Daisy Soros fellowship for new Americans Something that Vivek paid someone to scrub from his Wikipedia page before he announced his presidential run Sounds like censorship and Soros ties not a good look Alex that fellowship Incidentally it helps immigrants and children of immigrants get higher education, which seems like something Alex would be super opposed to existing

Anyway, it's not gonna come up. I'm a big fan of whenever people Really tries to close try to close the door behind them, you know like oh, I got all this shit So just this it happening is a remarkable thing. It's a weird turn of events like in 2015 It was a ridiculous and unthinkable thing for Alex to have Trump, someone who was running for president on his show. Yeah. Now granted, Ron Paul had been on a bunch before that, but he doesn't really count.

No. Trump giving Alex the attention and associating with him was enough to fundamentally transform the trajectory of Alex's career. It was a huge deal that this presidential candidate was going on this horrible dudes show and they were endorsing each other. And now in 2023, Alex Gazone with Vivek, who's also running for president, and it doesn't really even matter.

It doesn't mean a thing. Standards have fallen. The damage is done. Yeah. Yeah. This doesn't rank to the point where I, I mean, obviously you didn't know this happened. No. And I would say that a large portion of the people who are listening to our show didn't know this happened. It doesn't matter. No. He was on with Vivek and whoever follows him on Twitter probably saw that it happened,

but outside of that, someone gave us a shit. There is a part of me that genuinely feels like Alex is, uh, Vivek is beneath him. Yeah. Yeah. Vivek is a even shinier con man, swindler than Alex is. Well, kind of sad. That may be the case, but I do think he is beneath him in some sense. Sure. Like with Trump, he was poised to at least win the GOP primary and have a decent chance at the presidency when Alex attached himself to him and appeared with him. Yeah. Ron Paul is an ideologue of decades for Alex to have on regardless of him running for

president. Yeah. At any point. The Vick is pulling it like four percent or something. Who knows why? He's in, he is somebody who's trying to create his own brand and Alex is now participating in that as opposed to attaching himself to somebody who has any adjacency to power as any relevance. And I mean, you know, he can say it's beneath him and I think it's some ways that that's accurate, but Alex is also only interested in some kind of immediate attention-based grind.

Yeah. And so it is a partnership that makes some sense in terms of them both being craven attention forever. Well, I mean, as far as that, you know, like it's a simple optics thing. Nobody who is doing the interviewing is going to become the president. You know, you're the person. That's a different power balance than nobody's going to

respect it. Oh, yeah, it's just kind of how the vac is having him in as opposed to coming on to info awards. Yeah, it's just it's just a power balance thing and nobody's going to respect it. You have welcomed Alex into your house as opposed to going to use him for

his audience. Yep. And that is unfortunate. You need to be the person in, like people need to be like, oh, I want you to have more power in serving. And like, yeah, I'll show up at your place. Mm-hmm, that's not how it goes. Nah.

So anyway, Vivek talks a little bit more about how everyone should be able to speak. And so you know what? It's wrong that we've become a culture that wants to censor free speech and open debate. And I think that part of the American way of life is we don't just embrace moderate ideals. That is an extreme idea.

The idea that you get to speak your mind as long as I get to in return. That's a wild idea. For most of human history, it was done the other way. And that's what makes America great. That's what makes America itself. And so if somebody tells me, don't listen to this person. My reaction is, you know what?

I don't listen to him. I'm going to keep an open mind and hear what every person has to say, because I'm a human being. Each of us as Americans is a human being. We can judge for ourselves what we believe the actual right way forward is for our country. So this is actually a broken formulation. Vivek is trying to say that when he hears somebody say that you shouldn't listen to somebody,

he says no, I'm going to listen to them and see what they have to say. So that must mean that he's gone and listened to Alex's show, right? Like he must have tuned in and heard that incoherent drunk ramblings of a bigot lunatic and then said, oof, those people were right. There's no reason to listen to this guy. That must have been what happened, because Vivek is a principled free speech stand-up or guy, so he must have wanted to really investigate the speech that people were telling him to avoid.

This is total bullshit, though. When Vivek hears somebody say you shouldn't listen to Alex, he doesn't think he should check out this maligned speech and make his own decision, he sees an opportunity. If somebody is controversial enough to have people saying you shouldn't listen to him, then he probably has some juice I can exploit by interviewing him, thereby showing myself to be the biggest boy who defends free speech the most. I would love for Vivek to stand up for free speech in a different way. Instead of doing a publicity stunt as interview on Twitter, help out.

He make a video of himself watching Alex's show and trying to defend the nonsense Alex says. This is a point I really want to drive home. Not a single aspect of Vivek's decision to make this interview involves free speech. It's a craven publicity decision driven by the illusion that it somehow makes you a hero for being brave enough to talk to Alex. And it's all theater. This is all nonsense. Doesn't mean anything.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, hey, listen, when you're running for president, you got to talk up America's ideals and all that shit, but nobody likes to kiss us. All right. Like, oh, yeah, free speech. Listen, I think everybody in the United States realistically is like, man, free speech might have gotten a little bit out of control.

Oh, I'm not saying everybody's like, it's gotten a lot out of control, but I think everybody has looked at our political system and the way they talk to each other and been like, something might not be right. It's free speech really like the right to be free of people saying, hey, this guy sucks. Cause I don't think it is.

It feels like what he wants is the right to be free of people saying, hey, this guy sucks. Cause I don't think it is. It feels like what he wants is the right to disregard speech, regardless of whether or not it's true. And the right to, what he actually does totally have, the right to imagine that speech is different than it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I want the right to create a fantasy version of the speech that people are mad at in order to justify why I'm not opposed to it.

I mean, his description of it even is like, if you analyze the thought process behind, you can say whatever you want, so long as I can say whatever I want back to you, what he's looking for is the ability to not listen, you know, to completely be like, listen, I am not going to listen to a word that you have to say. I'm waiting to say what I think is matters. Right, your free speech is really about my free speech. Yeah, I'm tolerating you talking so I can tell you what you're doing wrong.

And I mean, that's fine, I kind of think. I mean, I mean, that's how you want to view a yeah, I think it's a little hollow, but it's it's not like against the Constitution or it's not really what the Constitution or the idea of free speech is about. Not particularly. Um, once again, it is the government not telling you, not arresting you or jailing you. It's not like, hey, people should stop telling Alex to shut up because he's an idiot. It's not conversational. It's not even a little bit conversational.

It is purely the government cannot do a thing to you for this reason. Right. Anyway, here comes the intro of Alex into the proceedings. All right. So with that said, I've been looking forward to this conversation for a long time. I'm excited about it. Alex goes, it's good to see you, man. Vivek, thanks for doing this because when they censor you

and they platform you, they can then steal your identity and misrepresent what you've said and done and then build a straw man. Yeah. And that's why they fight so hard. 99% of those things they say about me aren't true. They never show a clip. They just say,'ve done these things. I haven't done. And it reminds me of them saying that Trump said after a thing that happened in Virginia in Charlottesville

that he said Hispanics are horrible criminals, bad people. He didn't say that. He said they're wonderful good people. But there are also a lot of bad people coming across the border. They would just show the clip. They would just say he said that, but he had a big enough bully pulpit to override that. And so it doubled the number of his spandex when he first got elected towards the end of his first turn. Who understood that that it was a lie and they didn't embrace him because of that. But that was because he could show them the actual clip and show them that there had been a lie. If Alex is saying that 90% of the stuff that people say about Alex on social media isn't true, then that might be fair. People post stupid shit. There's a lot of Alex Jones was

right memes that are completely inaccurate, and people really loved post clips of him with entirely fraudulent context. I've seen a lot of old clips being recycled by people lying about the context in order to make it seem like he's saying something different from what he actually was saying And that's a problem that exists with people who are critical of Alex just as much as it does with people who support him But if Alex is really interested and people like Dealing with what he actually says he should fucking love us and yet mysteriously it's radio silence about his most loyal and most clip heavy critics Does feel that way weird incidentally here's the clip of from trumps announcement of his candidacy back in 2015 that Alex is talking

about that everybody takes out a context oh they never play a clip the US has become a dumping ground for everybody else's problems. Thank you. It's true. And these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you.

They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime, they're rapists, and some I assume are good people. But I speak to border guards, and they tell us what we're getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. It only makes common sense.

They're sending us not the right people. It's coming from more than Mexico. It's coming from all over South and Latin America and it's coming probably, probably from the Middle East. But we don't know because we have no protection and we have no confidence. We don't know what's happening. And it's gotta stop and it's gotta stop fast. Oh man, it sounds like the media reported on that one correctly. Maybe Alex's version is a little bit of rewriting history. Alex has created a fake version of both what the media said. He's claiming they said something that they didn't. And then also a fake version of what Trump said

because he's a big old liar. You might notice here that Alex says that Trump said this after that thing that happened in Virginia, which is a reference to the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville. What's happening here is that Alex is mixing up his everyone lies about what Trump said in narratives and getting them all backwards. That one's supposed to be about the good people on both sides comment, not the Mexico sending over their criminals.

One, Alex is just, he doesn't know what he's doing. Yeah. Also, Trump didn't double his support among the Hispanic population. This is just made up and Vivek is over there nodding his head along because he gives about as much of a shit about reality as Alex does. Yeah. The Hispanic vote went 66 to 28 in favor of Clinton in 2016 and 59 38 in favor of Biden in 2020. This is an improvement, but it's not nearly the kind of swing that Alex is talking about. It would be over 50% in favor of Trump,

if there was a doubling and this did not happen. If I was doing this interview, right? And that here's what I would do after Alex said that, I would say, Alex, I said hi, and you defended racism somehow. Right. Let's just not do this. Yeah, hey, everybody lies about how Trump said racist things,

about how they also, they create a fake version of really off to the races. I said hi. I said hi. We'll get to the, I mean, maybe, hopefully. Instead, Alex just says his piece and Vivaik's like, yeah, good call. Cool. I should run the country. So look, man, people say that Alex shouldn't be interviewed,

but they let other people get interviewed. Why? I'm not as big as Trump. I'm probably like 5% of the police got. And so I have been successfully in many ways destroyed. I mean, they built another Alex Jones. That's not me. And that's why they say don't ever interview Alex Jones because they're going to hear something that probably most people are gonna agree with. Yeah, so it's interesting. I Think that I mean I wouldn't be here if it worked for the fact that George So I'm somebody came up. I don't know if it was someone from your team or someone who's part of your you know One of your followers or something suggested it and I said okay Well, several people are saying suggest to talk to this guy.

Let's see if that's something we're open to. And then the reaction that I get is, no, no, no. This is a guy. You don't want to talk to it. It's going to be politically toxic for you. And my view is, no, no, no. We're the United States of America. So I have no idea if I'm going to agree

with everything you're going to say or not. But- Well, I mean, here's your comeback though. I'm curious about this. Yeah. Here's your comeback. Last year, whole last week, did a really important interview or two weeks ago with the I told Humeini the the leader of Iran. Now that guy is praising the attacks on Israel. It's terrible. I think he's a bad guy. Yeah. Come a nice not a good guy. It doesn't

mean I want World War three with them either and he has the lead. Who's got sleepers cells in American are open border. But that said everybody doesn't attack Lester Holt interviewing the leader of Iran. The religious dictator. I think that if Alex were the leader of a foreign country, then regardless of how much you might worry about interviewing him, you kind of have to. Since he's not, I'm not sure that this comparison with the Ayatollah is doing him any favors. And it doesn't help the argument that you should interview him. I want to touch on that thing that Alex says there, though, about how people don't want

you to interview him because you'll likely end up hearing something you agree with. That's kind of the point. Alex is a liar, and at some point in an interview, you might hear him lie about something in a way that you agree with, and it's pretty dangerous. He's basically an impossible interview subject because you cannot possibly keep up with all the claims that he throws out, so inevitably, unless you have a very slow, very methodical and very confrontational interview with him, you're gonna end end up accidentally, tacitly signing off on countless untrue things.

The choice to not interview him has as much to do with protecting your own credibility as it has to do with protecting your audience. Consider in just the first few minutes of this interview that we've heard, the fake is signed off on Alex's claim that Trump's Hispanic support doubled from 2016 to the end of his presidency and the mischaracterization of Alex's version of what Trump said. And just there, we heard Alex drop in the claim that because of our lack of border security, Hezbollah has sleeper cells in American cities. There was no pushback on that because it was a complete sidetrack to the point being made. In order for Vivek to chase that down, he would need to completely shift subjects from the one he wants to talk about, which is how brave

and righteous it is to be interviewing Alex. Alex knows that Vivek isn't going to challenge him on points like this because it works against the basic reason that this interview is happening. Alex knows that he has all the cards here. He can lie with impunity and say whatever he wants and Vivek essentially has to go along with it or risk undercutting the entire premise of the interview. People said not to interview Alex but I stood up and did it anyway. Well, what if you did it only to find out that all those people were right now it's a manipulative liar. What then? Then is the point of the entire interview that the censorious people you are complaining about are actually right? Alex knows that this isn't going to be how it goes. And by agreeing to have this interview, Vivek put him in a situation that is entirely subservient to Alex.

There is no win for him. He's in a trap. The second this interview starts. It is, it is, especially when you frame it with the I'm so brave and free speaking. No, I mean, the moment you start with that, you have revealed that what you want is to masturbate. Yes. to Alex Jones masturbating, and you both tell each other that you look great doing it. There is no way this interview can go bad for Alex once the framing of it is. Everybody told me not to interview, and I'm doing it anyway, because why would you then

like operate in a way that validates the cancel culture mob? I mean, yeah, you stand against. It's ridiculous. Any idea of being an interview subject the cancel culture mob. I mean, yeah. You stand against. It's ridiculous. And the idea of being an interview subject and the first thing that the interviewer says is, I'm the greatest just for talking to you. It's like, oh, thank you.

All I have to do is tie me up like a little stroke of your ego and you'll let me say whatever the fuck I want. Yeah, I would be like, this guy's a clown. I win. And guess what? It's not a little stroke of the ego that comes, but that's exactly what happens. Yeah.

And I'm not kissing your ass, it's just true. You are the most informed on the leases to attack me. Oh my God. Geopolitically, you name it, compared to anybody I've ever basically interviewed and it took Carlson's super smart. And I would say has more charisma, but he's a close second. Your grasp, I see the random questions you're asked, of just a wide spectrum of things that

is amazing. And you're understanding that America, the idea of a free market competitive culture is something the globalists can't have because they have a competing corporate oligarch here or tyranny in a castle society, Society Social Credit score they're setting up with the ESGs and that's the potential of America is so powerful because people aspire to that America has to be wiped out the political correctness all the rest of it show that the whole world can be leveled down to one giant third world population that black rock and the megacorporations

can exploit and control and, quote, control our behavior as Larry Fink said. So congratulations on the work you've done. The number one candidate I support Donald Trump or something happened to him. I would support you for president and I'm very, very impressed. A lot of people say, well, five years ago

his views were a little bit different. Well, so we're mine. And so people say, well, he wasn't perfect in the past. Well, I'm not perfect today. We have to be ready as the world awakened to the real political system for, to have converts to liberty and freedom in Americana. And so the fact that you are a leading light really promoting the truth is amazing. And the few people that criticize you saying, well, you know, he, you know, he just showed up on the scene. Well, that's, that, Well, that's that that that's what happens with innovation and ideas. Of course, you didn't just show up on the scene, but exploded on the national scene. And so I really appreciate your campaign. I think

it's the best thing out there when you watch these Republican debates. They're unwatchable except for you. My listeners all agree. The crew will agree. Absolutely. Do not. Why don't we just have you up there for two hours and stuff because there's nothing but talking points and canned garbage from the rest of them because I can tell you run your campaign. All the rest of these people are told what to say. Two minutes straight. Alex just kissing this guy's ass.

If I got half of that, I would slap that person in the face. Like stop this. Yeah. This is disgusting. I don't believe a fucking word you're saying. Yeah. I would take that person in the face. Like stop this. Yeah. This is disgusting. I don't believe a fucking word you're saying. Yeah. I would take that as hostile. How dare you say that you and the crew agreed that I should be the only one up there for two hours.

You're fucking lying to me. Well, actually maybe not, but only because they hate the rest of the candidates. Well, I mean, yeah, I'm fine. In terms of that debate stage. Sure. Yes. Maybe it's not. I mean, the only one on fine. In terms of that debate stage, yes, maybe it's not with is the only one on there that they would like. Sure.

Here's a couple of choice comments on Band-Dodd video from this interview. Okay. Quote, Vivek is supported by the Soros family and the W E F. Quote, he's Vivek the snake. Ooh. I would actually, I would actually lean into that one though. That'll get you a brand presence.

Yeah. So there are some other videos on Band-Dodage video from other creators like Alex's buddy Pete Santilli Here's one title from Pete Santilli quote attention all the fake rumpa swampy dumbdums He's a well-known fraudster that's that is gonna go down in history as one of the worst Made up trying to be bullying me. That's not good. That's just mispronouncing it. And I don't know if that's not enough. No, because he had to throw a swamp in there.

No, no, I know. But I mean, if you were going to... Roma swampy would be the way you did it instead of Rumpa. Right, exactly. Yeah. It's terrible. The audience definitely doesn't support Vivek. But Alex needs whatever promotion he can get at this point.

So he's just pouring on the effusive praise in a way that would make Steve Pachanik blush. This is just pathetic levels of trying to butter someone up. And if I were to fake, there would be serious red flags going up. But then again, the fake doesn't know anything about who Alex actually is or what his audience believes. So he probably thinks this is legit and sincere praise. Yeah. It's ridiculous. He should have prepared, I think.

You think? Yeah, probably. It's good to know a little bit about the person you're going into an interview with, so you don't come out looking like a real rhub. I genuinely can't believe how much I have learned in recent times a lesson that I felt like I thought was very easy to learn when we were doing open mics,

which is just like, oh, if you're asked to, if you're asked to do a homework show, do your homework. Right. It's just not complicated. Well, what do your preparation just prepare? Everybody thinks you can wing it. And here's the thing. Sometimes you can.

Some people can. Well, and sometimes you can get away with it. I think almost everybody can sometimes. Sometimes. But when you find yourself in a situation where you think you can win it and you can't. Oh boy, not good. It is tough. And that's kind of why I think that it's good

that we have that history of those open mics and stuff. Because there is so little stakes to the not preparing for those. You have the experience of, uh oh, I mean way over my head, but it doesn't matter. There's four people in the audience. Totally. So, okay.

No, the first time I think I did arguments and grievances, I think Druffke and I did it, and it was so bad, we were both like, do not release that episode. Oh, wow. We never, you know, I did it like three times since then. Way better preparing. Sure. Way better preparing without first time was so bad.

Yeah. Yeah. I'll never, and I'll never forget it. I did, I did that show a number of times. I was, I always loved a homework show Yeah, I did the the most embarrassing one I did I did against Derek Smith Oh, yeah, and we did lost versus Gilligan's Island debate about that and I was on the side of lost and I described like how stupid Gilligan's island was. It's all this like, hey, the globe trotter showed up

at some point. What is this? And then Derek just got up and he's like, so that's pretty great. The end of it. The end of it. It's like, yeah. It's like, I talked about it. I would agree with you.

This sucks. So anyway, the fake is not prepared. And here's where he jumps in with the first question. Since we're meeting for the first time, just a few minutes, I mean, your audience is probably very well familiar with this. But in your own words, it's just to hear it without I didn't Google any of this beforehand. It said, I don't want to be biased. What's your journey to the views that you have now? I mean, what gets you going in terms of your mission, your clearly passionate guy, want to revive the essence of our founding ideals of the free exchange of ideas, not be controlled in a way that impedes the sovereignty of the United

States. I know these topics animate you. So wait, if you didn't want to look anything up and want to eliminate all possibility of bias, why is Vivek interjecting what he believes Alex's fundamental mission to be? Seems like he's injecting some bias here? I I mean you can't be oh I didn't want to look anybody up except because I didn't want any bias Everybody in the world knows he sucks They told you you already were biased your bias was it's cooler for me to do what they say is wrong. Right. So I already know that this guy's a piece of shit.

And even if you take him seriously, if you take this like legitimately, I wanted to eliminate him bias so I didn't look you up, it's basically just him saying, I'm rolling out the red carpet for you to say whatever the fuck you want. Yep. I have no basis by which to refute anything you say. Yep. I have no idea what you're talking about. Please lie at will. I will not push back, sir.

Yes. And that means I must be the next president of the United States. So Alex gets into talking about his family and how that was the basis of a lot of this stuff. Sure. But what personally got you to that place right now? I had a lot of family that worked in the sharp end of the stick in US intelligence. And they never really told me to put the spear.

To put the spear. Or secret stuff. But like my uncle was high level, I ran contra in a bunch of other stuff. Oh really? So I would have never guessed that you were what parents were. Because there's a lot of people. Yeah. A lot of people in your family were in US intelligence. Well, back during the the 70s 80s and stuff before they went from Humec to electronic intelligence There was a mobilization of the population against the Russians and others yeah, and and and so yeah I mean I had a lot of family

I went to a unofficial Yeah, and no records and and and and and they would just talk about What the government was doing, what was going on. They were patriots, but just like we show these whistleblowers now, the government, they didn't like what was happening.

A lot of my family was caught up in the red scare, and they pretended that they were in far more official capacities than they were. Much like soldier of fortune. Yeah, very much. Did I miss something? Did we, like like rebrand the Iran Contra thing as patriotism did I miss that?

Yeah, you did No, I don't I don't that was the thing that they didn't like right but Larry Nichols was involved in it and Alex is uncle And so like it can't be bad, but the point of it was that Reagan wasn't supposed to do that because the people that like Reagan now Because he was fighting communism. Okay fine now here's the here's the way that this cookie crumbles or how the cow eats the Cabbage or whatever metaphor you want to use yeah, Alex has made a Ron Contra okay Because he's created that version of it that they were secretly actually kidnapping kids and trafficking them That's the bad part of Iran Contra right stuff that like Larry Nichols was involved in in his uncle That's the good part of Iran Contra right. Yeah, right also. I would say that Alex was uncle wasn't just running a

Airport hanger or whatever if he was high level in Iran Contra really feels that feels like that deathbed confession might have been bullshit. Alex. I do believe that his family gatherings are like soldier of fortune though. I agree. I 100% believe that they're like those stories of a bunch of bunnies.

Yeah, a bunch of stories. Yeah, or stories and none of you have been. It's lousy with white supremacists. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Much like soldier of fortune. Much like soldier of fortune. Much like soldier for you. Wonder if Alex is going to fill the vacant on how his dad was the smartest boy in Texas and the globalists tried to recruit him into the depopulation plan

multiple times. Or how his family was full of JBS extremists or how Alex got his mission from a prophetic vision he had as a child. Or how Alex is psychic and God has chosen him to fight the devil. I wonder if he'll get into any of that stuff. I'm going to guess not because he understands where he's at and he doesn't want to scare people off too fast. Yeah. I mean, that would be, that would be, I swear to you, I would actually be slightly interested

in this if Vivek was like, you know what? Let's just get into it, man. Interdimensional space beings in the devil. Right. Let's go. Yeah. You know? They're trying to sacrifice souls to Saturn. Totally. Absolutely. Like, all of that shit, if Vive go. Yeah, you know, they're trying to sacrifice souls to Saturn. Totally. Absolutely. Like all of that shit. If that, if V back was like, let's, you know what?

It's Vivek. It rhymes with cake. Vivek. I know that because of his freestyle rap. Sure. Uh, hmm. Yeah, I do. I watch him freestyle rap. But that's one of the lights he said. But me, Mr. Vivek, it rhymes with cake. It's very close. Yeah, I believe that. I believe that is exactly what it is. Yep. Alright. But I'll never forget how to pronounce his name. I just think he's going to become the next president of the unit.

You already have your money on Nikki Hayley. Not a lot of money. It's a bad bet. I would like that if Vivek knew what Alex believed and brought some of that into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would appreciate that because it would make for a more interesting interview. Secondarily, I think that Alex, like we're talking

about how he knows that he's got this wrapped around his finger. And that is part of why he doesn't get into that other stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this is an opportunity to potentially penetrate audiences that aren't in his normal revenue stream already. And so you don't wanna freak them out with all your talk about demons and how you see visions and downloads from God and all this stuff

because immediately they'll put you in a box of, oh, this person's nuts. Yeah, no, you're doing your media thing, which is I'm going on VVAK show, so I'm going to do the VAK show. Yes, and I'm going on, I'm going on, I'm going on, I'm going on, I'm going on, I'm going on, I'm going on, I'm going to do the fake show. Yes, and I'm going to pretend that this is all very like

Document-based and like you know, it's it's all like taking the The nonsense out of it and it's a pathetic display and if the fake did any kind of research in advance He would know that Alex is putting on a show for him. Yeah I mean that isn't the idea right, if you're doing an interview with somebody and you ask them a question, then they would give the same response to a, when they do another interview, right? You know.

That's the idea. Otherwise, the answer to the question is meaningless. And so it's kind of good to watch other interviews of subjects that you're preparing to interview because then you can know, it's like, wait, you said something different in another interview. Exactly. And then you can get to deeper truth.

Right. But that's not what this is about. That doesn't seem to be the case. No, not at all. All right. So Alex talks about how he, his path, you know, of course he had his family who were on the sharp end of Spears. Yep.

And then Alex went to college sort of. Well, when you're a child growing up here and all this, I just kind of absorbed it. I wasn't even really listening to it until later I realized how true it was. And then I started to go to college a little bit, but I was already very successful in business but time I was like 19 as a salesman. And boom, I saw really this anti-American race based brainwashing that we see out in the open now that was going on here in Austin and the college campuses. And so I decided, well this just to eat track?

This is about 1993. OK. And I've been on air since 1994, officially 95. So Alex was a gym membership salesperson prior to. So that's what he was up to. I bet he was really good at it. Yeah. I really do think that he would be.

I think he would be a star salesman anyway. He's a terrifyingly charismatic and manipulative person. Yep. He has no qualms with lying to people. None. And he was built like a donnis back then. Yeah. So like, it would be very easy to have that charm kick in.

And like, he's an example of the fitness that you could get at this gym. Yeah. So that's probably why he made a lot of money doing that. Yeah, whenever I was doing the hearing aids thing, I went to a couple of conferences, and there were a few of those guys where you saw them and you were like, you have no morality whatsoever.

Yeah, I mean, I did the cut code knife sale. I mean, I didn't actually end up doing it, but I went in for the interview or whatever. And I had a couple of friends who got sucked into it and actually bought the pack to go sell to people. And I did note that the people who were successful in it were the most able to turn off that part of themselves that has concern for others. No, that, that, that, like, first conversation where somebody's like, here's how you get somebody who doesn't necessarily need this, is like,

you've explained everything this wrong with all of the stuff. And your standard is like, you know, people can give you three rebuttals before you have to listen to them. Exactly. Yeah. No, that's not good. No, that's not good. So I want to say that Alex actually absolutely did not start his career complaining about race-based garbage. So that was, it was really obvious even back early on that he was a white identity adherent, but he tried really hard to make the presentation of what he did race neutral. It was all about the Federal Reserve Bank.

It was about the Trans-Texas Corridor, it was about the UN trying to take control of national parks. It was about the ATF malfeasance in Waco. It wasn't these social issues. And obviously, that probably was in the background for him, but he knew better than to make it his presentation, because he knew to put him in a box of,

hey, oh, you know, your extreme right wing world is really full of white supremacists. And you're intentionally hiding, you're putting a mask on some of your white identity beliefs and how you're angry about this race-based garbage because you don't wanna be too obvious with it. That this is the world you come from, this is what you're about, and his mask is slipped now,

and you know, it's very clear. Yeah, yeah, it is weird with his mask though, and so far is like, you can't really take it off, because when you take it off, then he turns around to the people who already, who know the mask and he just puts it back on and it's fine. We have to take away the mask, but it's inside of his brain.

Can't do it. Yeah, and he has such an interesting position as somebody who requires to have a mask and not at the same time because of the way that the financial pressures of his business work, the extremist expectations of his audience, that balancing act requires mask and not masks simultaneously. Like when you have a mask on, you have to deny the awareness of mask when it's off, you have to pretend you are, like it's just a mask.

He becomes Janus. Who? The god. The god. The god with the two faces. I thought you might have them up it who is in the electric. Not Jan God. The God. The God with the two faces. I thought you might the puppet who is in the electric mayhem. Not Janus. Janus.

Okay. So Alex talks here a little bit about his early days in radio. Okay. And then I was going to community college, figured out I wanted to go to main college. And it was just insane. I went sat in on some UT courses on RTF,

radio television films. I thought I might want to do that because I wanted to be politically involved. And they were teaching 20 year old stuff. I was like, you're going to talk about the internet, these films. I thought I'm not gonna do that because I wanted to be politically involved. They were teaching 20-year-old stuff. I was like, you're gonna talk about the internet, these classes, why am I here? Like, well, first you gotta take all these other classes. So I started out on Access TV in 1994,

got my own show in 95, got a website in 97, got a local radio show in 96, called up satellite companies, bought the equipment, the station let me put in, the connection to the satellite, syndicated let me put in, the connection, the satellite, syndicated myself. When I was a year earlier, 20s doing, just decided you're gonna do all this stuff.

Cinecated myself at 22, got on suddenly, like 50-something radio stations, it was insane, hit the national news immediately, decided, set us on coffee. What were you talking about? Well, set us on coffee mugs and like newsletters, like other talk shows that did that, some of the drink, I said, I'm gonna make make films. It's really interesting the way that Alex is totally right and totally wrong about education. Yeah, like he's like

this is what I want to learn and you're not teaching me that in this entry level class. Totally. And that is frustrating because he doesn't realize like, oh, you got to learn the basics. That's kind of the part of education is that's a progress, it's a process thing. But at the same time, his instinct is to, I'm gonna fucking teach myself, and there's something to be said for that. I don't think that there's anything wrong with people who are like, this path of education isn't for me, I'm gonna learn by doing.

Because some people's brains work better that way, but that is not a refutation, or a refutation, excuse me, of education as a whole. He just doesn't understand that there are multiple paths towards the goal that he wanted, and he was too impatient or his brain just didn't work in the way that education goes. That's fine. Yeah, yeah. It would have been nice. It would have been nice if there was some way to be like, okay, agreed. Nobody's talking about the internet. Take journalism 101. Just ethics. Oh, that'd be good. Journal 101. And then leave. That would, if you had those

two, just throw them. I don't know if 101's going to be enough for him. The complicated immoralities that he's dealing in. It's also he's conveniently leaving out the part where his dad got him his first radio show. And of course, the entire section of his syndication that came from his partnership with Ted Anderson and Midas resources. No, he's a self-made man. Right. Don't you hear the story of a self-made boots from his bootstraps? He didn't just supplement his income with documentaries. He was a shameless gold shell. It's probably not how I would tell the story either if I'm talking to Vivek and

he's very clearly made abundantly obvious that he's not going to push back on anything. I wouldn't say that I hooked up with an unsavory gold salesman who had a need for a frontman to sell his gold and that was what made my show. I probably wouldn't say that. Yeah. Vivek is not so much printing the legend as being like, you want to be a myth buddy? I'll up your game.

Let's do it. All yes, and it. Yeah. So Alex, you know, he's do it. All you have sanded. Yeah. So Alex, you know, he's path hit a bumpy patch. Oh, of course. At one point. That was behind 11. You can only wait. What? Yeah. That's his best. Well, some might say that. And I will after this clip. Yeah. And so I just basically exploded onto the underground scene with conservatives and people that were aware of what was going on. And in about 1996, I was already reaching millions of people.

And so it's been a long, long-term operation, 29 years on air. Hmm. Ever since? Absolutely. We've, you know, 9-11 happened. And I questioned 9-11. And I was on almost 200 radio stations. I've been offered, you know, by major companies, you know,

the next big Russian limbalt style deal. I guess Glenn Beck took that deal. Nothing I guess, you know, overall great guy, really smart. And I went from almost 200 affiliates to 30 something affiliates in one month when I 11 happened. And I wasn't a theoretical Islam, and I believe Islamists were involved.

But I knew about the NORAD stand down. I knew about building seven. I knew about a lot of the stuff that I was talking to police about that were on the ground that they knew it was coming bare minimum. Kind of like I'm against the attack on Israel and Hamas is terrible. Stop, but something like 85% plays a role of the Israelis think the government knew and let it happen now. Wait, it's the same thing, but when I sent that to the radio network, I was on GCN, okay, to me, and they said, listen, we just lost 50 affiliates today. They're all going to dump you.

If you don't stop. And I said, well, it's the truth. I'm going to keep questioning it. So that just shows I never did this for for for monetary gain or or just to be popular, though I do need monetary operations to fund my operation and be free and independent. I'm not for sale. And so I've already been up and down.

That's why they've de-platformed me in things and thought I would just give up. I didn't. So I started out on access television. And so I've started from the very, you know, mail room of media and I've, you know, at one point in 2016, 2017, much bigger show the Rush Limbaugh, much bigger show than Joe Rogan undoubtedly the the number one independent or diamond dependent media show in the country over 30 million viewers and listeners uh uh uh 2016 2017 okay and then that's what they'd be platforming because I was just number one I mean every day every 25 million listeners conservatively yeah uh and so that's when they said well we got to stop this guy and then that's when

they got tax game but I've survived that and now where we've rebuilt and in many ways that were stronger than ever. We're definitely more influential. Yeah. Yeah. This allows, allows all that to be presented with our question. But it is an interesting question. The dynamics of losing stations over 9, 11 conspiracies. For one thing, I don't actually believe that they lost that many

stations because of it. I have a strong suspicion. This is overblown and honestly, based on my multiple assessments of Alex's radio reach over the years I don't think that radio has ever really been that important to him in terms of a financial Kind of construct Ted and GCN needed Alex to sell gold and if he was able to do that by radio commercials That's great But if Alex is able to sell more gold with less stations

Ted wouldn't have any problem with that. Yeah, I suspect Alex understood that he stood to gain far more by positioning himself as the world's primary 9-11 truth or and that that brand was actually much more profitable for him than whatever low level radio markets has shown stopped running in. He had to have known that. He's clever enough. Plus, I'm not he went to the, he went to RTF and was like you're not talking about the internet. Right right he gets it Yeah, he understands on some base level whether it's an intellectual understanding or an instinctual one

Yeah, what kind of works yeah, and especially he was much better prior to oh, yeah the erosion of his brain from alcohol and drugs Yeah, whatever he's done now, but like then, he would have been very keenly aware that there is any tense excitement on message boards and all over the internet about this 9-11 stuff. This is an untapped market. I can be the voice and the face of this. Bill Cooper's dead. There is a lot of opportunity here in this space.

What do I have to worry about losing some kind of fourth tier market radio station? That's not, that doesn't matter. And plus, Alex, like a lot of his audience is rural and outside of the range of these larger radio station transmission signals, all of that area is covered on shortwave. Yeah. His WWCR extreme right wing radio station that does the shortwave broadcasting,

they would have never had a problem with his 9-11 truth or stuff. So I don't really think that there was a hit that he took from that. What I'm saying is that I don't buy into the premise that Alex, like him being willing to lose stations over 9-11 means he's not motivated by money. I think it's a good way to create that presentation. Yeah. Though I don't believe the details actually bear that out. Yeah. I mean, in a different context saying like I caught the trend early. Yeah. I realized what was going on and I bounced on it and I was rewarded for that. That is a totally okay thing to say. Totally. You know, I think I think I think it is a totally okay thing to say. Totally.

I think it's an illustration of a great characteristic. Totally. But that's not the person that Alex is being for this interview. No. Alex isn't being a great businessman for this interview. He's telling you all of his business accomplishments as a way of telling you that people will follow

even though I'm not going for all these business accomplishments, kind of thing. Yeah, but he's a journalist. That's what you go to understand. No, I'm pretty sure that he's legally not a journalist, according to a... Well, I mean, in certain sections of time, circumstances... Sure.

He'll say he's not a journalist. Right. When it's convenient. But other times, he'll say he is. All right. Either way, that's irrelevant because this is Vivek saying that he's a list What I'm hearing is a story of a journalist. Yes, this story Records things describes them and and shares them with people to the journalist Let me ask us. I'll tell you where I'm going with this You're you're in this to seek

underlying truth that other people aren't getting to that's the one I'm hearing you and telling your story. Now, once in a while, that means you're gonna find something that looks like it's gonna be one way. It wasn't exactly the way you thought, and so maybe you were wrong. I've made a lot of mistakes. Yeah, and so what do you do in that scenario? Let's say you're a journalist.

Cause I know how mainstream media deals live. Or that's a different way they sweep it under the rug. Let's say you're a journalist. Because I know how mainstream media deals live. Or that's a different way they sweep it under the rug. Let's say you're wrong and you just, you realize that you had one thesis and you were getting to the bottom of it, but then you get to the hard facts and you say, hey, you are wrong about it. Give me, give me an example of where that happened actually. I think that's kind of interesting. Well, also what I've noticed is they've had a lot of national TV characters like homeland and the newer X files

came out 2016. That's also what I've noticed in response to that question. And homeland. Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, much of them. You look, you look it up. Spider-Man.

They'll create a strong man where I'm lying on purpose. I'm getting things wrong on purpose. I never meant I'm wrong. I always when I thought said I thought I knew something and I was wrong, I always admitted it. Oh great. So that's not an answer to the question at all, huh? No. No. But I think that this is actually a great question for Vivek to ask if he had any awareness of who Alex is. It's shockingly, it's shockingly like a, yeah, because it's a process question kind of. It's a question of, we take for granted

that you have gotten something's wrong. Everybody gets things wrong. That you're seeking the truth, but sometimes you go down the wrong road. How do you deal with that? That I, yeah. The what do you do, the how do you do it? That is an interesting question.

Right, because you have to reflect a little bit, or at least in order to answer the question, you have to have reflected a little bit. And have experience. And of course, Alex deflects with a straw man of me in the media. Yeah. That's that's about is what I would expect Alex to respond to that with. So Vivek brings it back to center and he wants an example. All right. And of course, this because Alex is in the situation that he is with the interview, being clearly like, I can say whatever the fuck I want.

Yeah. He just starts rambling about Sandy Hook. It's just long. Nice move. And so it's always the example in the case of Sandy Hook long before they sued me, long before they came after me, I barely talked about it. If you look at my life as a timeline, at first I thought it was official and thought it happened and some professors and people came out

with a bunch of anomalies and thought it might have been staged. Just like people are questioning whether Hamas cut baby's heads off right now. That's the big thing going on. And I don't think there's really proof to that, but they blow them up, they shoot them. It's the same thing. So when you get things wrong,

people are on Twitter saying, oh, we just shoot the people that said they cut baby's heads off or we need to sue the people that say it didn't happen center out of center debate was just he's small and really attacked which we now know that was fake or you know so many of these other events like Operation Northwoods and things that's not that did plan to do atrocities or did plan to state atrocities and blame on enemy and so with that, I started saying, oh, two or three years before I got sued,

I said, I don't wanna talk about this. I think the people that said this, it turns out are lunatics. I think the info they put out into the were professors and school safety experts, I found some of what they said, the anomalies wasn't true. I think school shootings happen.

And because every time there was a school shooting, people would say, Alex Jones is saying this isn't happening, whether it was Parkland any of that. So I was saying no, I think it's happening. And then the media and the system went, oh, he's weak on that because they would never, they would super know the rug if they were wrong. Let's get him. So then they, then they resurrected it. I was the platform for other stuff. I mean, look it up. So the vape is showing himself to be way out of his depth by letting this answer go on. So Vivek is showing himself to be way out of his depth by letting the santa go on. This is an absolute lie and Vivek doesn't really know that.

He doesn't know that Alex was suggesting that Sandy Hook was a false flag under oath in the deposition for his defamation trial. He doesn't know that Alex was suggesting that on air during the trial because he was mad at the plaintiffs. Further, Vivek has no idea what Alex did or didn't do around Sandy Hook so he's in no position to push back against this complete fraud of a retelling of Alex's actions. Because he's in no position to do his job as an interviewer, he's tacitly signing off on Alex's version of reality. This is why people say it's a bad idea to talk to Alex.

It's because he will lie to your face, and you don't have the information that you're disposal to rebut it in real time. You're a clown being played by a liar. That's all that's happening here. When you're asking for an example of a time that you were wrong and how did you deal with that, Alex is explaining how he wasn't really wrong. He was, hey, you know, we just had some conversations about some stuff and then he's just going into his script about Sandy. And I did do wrong, but I actually knew that it was going to be wrong in advance. I only did it because I was contractually obligated to People ask questions.

You know all these people, I'm doing it to make other people happy. That's what I do. I make other people happy. I wasn't trying to hurt people. And by the time there were any consequences for it, I had already cleared it up and I was already moved on past it, and then they had to resurrect it in order to attack me because I was the most popular show in the world. I swear to you, once he started talking, I immediately in my head had these terrible flashbacks of just being like, all right, I need to remind you this is not to determine innocence or guilt. This is a damages hearing. I just kept hearing that in my brain. Well, it's got you're going to have more flashbacks to that because you know, he's talking about his trial a little more. Sure. And of course, it's all lies. Yeah. I had a jury trial, but they found me. I'm not in my brain. Well, you're going to have more flashbacks of that because he does talk about his trial a little bit. Sure. And of course, it's all lies.

I had a jury trial, but they found me guilty, the judge did, and then would not let us put on evidence. It was only a trial on damages. They put on a financial expert and said he's worth $400 million. A lot of $400 million in the bank at the time. Our emergency backup money. That's gone now. And then they put me through.

They told the bankruptcy court I had all this money the course that was proven I told the truth obviously I got a gel of my life there and they don't care because they said we want to take him off And you dare melt the one to silence him we want to end his free speech these are quotes that they said in Connecticut In the court outside the court and in Texas inside of the court So I'm out now when I move on from. Bigger things than me, but this weaponization of the judiciary, Giuliani was basically defaulted in New York, because there was an evidence they were asking for.

The judge just said you're guilty. Fox in its January 16th. What is this defaulting business? What? They have in what? What does that mean? A default means it's called, it's called, I should know this. it's called the death

You shouldn't know it's not supposed to be used, but I don't know about it It's called a death penalty sanction Okay, and so if they say you know participate in a civil trial the judge can find you guilty by default They show up to have a trial and the damages They didn't even give me a real trial and the damages. So this is a fraud on America and is very dangerous and they're defaulting people across the board now. If you don't show up. Yeah, but I did.

And then with me, they said, well, you didn't give us the discovery because it didn't exist. They said, show us the marketing material for San Diego. I don't do marketing material for shows. I look at a bunch of news articles, some video clips, I go in there. I didn't do a marketing study with you for this. This is this is new to me. We talk for two minutes. We talked for two minutes before we went on there, right? You are maybe two minutes a minute, you know, a minute and a half. He walks in. Yeah, six down. Get on there. Yeah,'t I don't even know about this legal procedure. I that's because they're not supposed to use it. But but they're literally so it's not even that you don't show up and you default. That's what it's supposed to be.

If you're not participating in the process. Yes. According to the standards that they set and they set a bar to send Rajaj. I'm going to go. I'm going to go back and learn the heck about this because this is that's a I mean if what you described is true true that is a real danger to the integrity of the judicial system. I'm gonna I'm gonna go independently learn about this

myself. Let me tell you what a danger to the integrity of this interview is entering an interview with Alex Jones not knowing about what the the like how his case even went. If you're interviewing Alex Jones and you don't know about a default, like why that would happen, why that did happen, you're fucked. You have no business having this conversation. You're just going to let Alex steamroll you, which is what's happening. As a matter of simple personal interest. You should, if you were talking to a man who has got the largest individual judgment in history against him,

at the very least be interested in how it came about to have the largest judgment in history against that. If you're allowing this line of conversation to happen in your interview, you shouldn't be like, oh my God, Alex, I can't believe this. What is that thing? That's a level of unpreparedness that is dangerous.

I mean, like, I just think about this, you know, Tom Metzger, the guy from like white area and resistance, you know, that guy, he was a big neo-Nazi white supremacist guy. He ran like one of the bigger, he's not to say I do not know. He was an awful dude and he also was the subject of one of Louis Th. He's not to say I do not know. He was an awful dude. And he also was the subject of one of Louis Theroux's weird weekend type things. He lived with that guy for a bit. News. Nuts. Yeah. But like, what if people told Vivek not to talk to him? Like, would he not look up this Nazi guy and what he did? Like, what level of unpreparedness is acceptable to Vivek?

Like, is it just because Alex has a sizable platform and you think like, we can both score from this a little bit, we can both get a little bit juice going, we can both get some of that attention that we desperately need. Is that really all that it takes to like go blind into an interview with a liar? I think seems really reckless. I think it takes a certain amount of money

and not having to worry about whether or not you are doing a good or bad job period ever. So Vivek and Alex talk more about his trial and like it's all just the standard lies that we hear all the time. And Vivek is just eating that shit up. So I'm gonna skip past this a little bit. Thank you so much to where we talk about the world

All right 1776 worldwide baby okay that kind of stuff all right same thing I would call that 1776 worldwide and that's not America controlling things It's the idea of freedom idea of the people the idea of loving your nation Empowering the individual and a meritocracy where It's the idea of freedom, idea of the people, the idea of loving your nation, empowering the individual, and a meritocracy where, you know, because I mean, I looked at who's the meritocracy. What a word.

Well, it's a bad word these days. Not for you. I mean, I go back and I look at World War II. And almost all of our generals got there through meritocracy and grew up on little farms or in poor areas of cities. And there were, I mean, and there was almost nobody whose dad or granddad was an admiral who was there. In fact, it was almost discrimination in theoristocracy

was what America was doing. Yeah, I've heard that one a lot. Was being discriminated against by the aristocracy. Before we went out for the aristocracy. Really, part of it, he was mad. That's one of the big reasons that even the, quote, elites of America fought the British elites because they were tired of saying,

well, I'm actually your cousin, but I'm on a lured, so I can't ship products out of the colonies. And so if the rich guys want freedom, and they finally set up themselves, that will have to trickle down, and that's why they can point it to America's beginning and say we weren't perfect. But it was the idea of the process,

and as more people get into that, that's the victory. So now you look at who is the leader of the military, they'll have some token people, oh, look guy you know a white lady or whatever but that's but if you actually look it's a bunch of blue bloods whose grandfathers were in control the inner world war two when America absorbed the British Empire and became this new global system interesting I don't know that this is all based on. I mean interesting things just being said. That is that is a series of things that didn't. I don't know how to fact check most generals in the olden days weren't. I can't, I mean, that is one of the craziest things that I have ever heard because I know for a fact that it is the complete opposite.

I would suspect a large part of it isn't the opposite, but the romantic version of Americana past would tell you the story of the grew up on a farm and became a general, you know, like, there is a great apple pie ass narrative. Sure, sure. That is there. But like, and I'm sure that is the case for some folks,

but like, I don't know what, like, quantifiable thing Alex is talking about. Yeah, I mean, I can't, I mean, I can't think of a single war that I have read or know about that isn't like Littered with commanding officers who are timid and stupid because they're rich who eventually Get kicked out and then shit happens. That is the story of war Well, what what what what about Colonel Travis rich kids being stupid is the story of war Like that is what you should think of.

When you think of war, you should think of rich kids being idiots. Because their parents want more shit. Nah, they were all good farm boys who just made good. And nowadays it's all the blue blood. But then they have token minorities in their blood. I mean, seriously, that is amazing. Yeah, but you know, Ovev Vivek is just going along with it. He is meritocracy.

What a dirty word. Merit's Omicot. People who have no merit will not stop becoming successful and then telling me about how great the meritocracy is. Sure, sure. Alex has gotten where he is on his merits, not by being the tool of a gold salesman and having his dad get a meridio show.

Anyway, Vivek waxes romantic here about 1776. And I would why I would say that it is notable that there is nobody named Rama Swami who signed the Declaration of Independence. Oh, why? I do think that is notable. The optimistic side. I mean, they were with the British says that what a special time it would have been to be alive in the spring of 1776. There's a special time to be alive. You got Thomas Jefferson, the age of 33, people say, I'm young. I've lost 12 children. He was

33 when he wrote the declaration. 1776. Yeah, people who were the pioneers, the explorers, the unafraid. I hate my friend. We are going to not just be victimized by this. We're going to chart a new way forward. Well, 33 was the moment we live in. I totally agree. 33 was old back then because, you know, a lot of people died young, either live, you know, died young or a liberally long time,

but the average was, we lived as long. You're absolutely right. People were married by 16. People were explorers by 16. And you know, Thomas Jefferson lived a long time. About 33, he was leading a revolution against the empire that invented and he was inventing things. He was an engineer. He invented the swivel chair and invented a bunch of. Whoa. While he's running the Declaration of Independence,

that spirit in some ways would he. Wow. Like in the middle, reduced the Thomas Jefferson's and the Alexander Hamilton's of the world. If it weren't for the fact that they had this oppressive regime to stand up against, I think probably not. No, I totally agree. You're talking about that. So this is an opportunity, the moment we live in, because I am sick and tired even myself of,

you may have, I don't know if you've read some of the books I've written or anything like this, of pointing out the problem of that, plenty of that. Oh yeah, sure you have. I'm sorry. Yeah, I look good. Did you just say he has read some of the fake Rommaswamy's books?

Of course, he's read them all. Top to bottom. Page one to page X. I just feel like a man who is either this stupid or this willing to look this stupid should be polling higher than 4%. I would suspect that maybe he could, but I don't think that's his goal.

I do think that his goal is creating like a media brand. Yeah, totally. Yeah, obviously. You probably wouldn't do a Twitter show where you interviewed Papa John. Yeah, I know. No, he's got the, he's almost at the Casey Kason voice level of radio voice. He does have a good voice. Yeah, he's got a great voice. Yeah.

Beyond beyond the radio. And I do think that like if you're not being critical thinking about what he's saying, there is something that does get draw you in about this idea of like being alive in 1776. Oh my God. Everyone is just invigorated by the oppression that they're living in. It creates so stupid. It creates the opportunity to be such a brave, great person. You become historically important because of the terrible times that you're in. And I guess that's probably why you would want to like really over-inflate your own oppression in order to create the perception that you will be historically

remembered as a great man. Yeah, but I'm not sure if that's the case also I think a lot of people were having the real career bedtime in 1776. I would say that Boy I you know, I feel like people if they really thought about America's birth You know like you see those those poles. It's like people are worried. They're like 25% of Americans think political violence is okay. How can we imagine that? And you're like, man, I don't know if you know shit about America. But I don't know what the political violence would have pulled that back then either. That's the idea. Right. You know, people don't necessarily want that. But there were a lot of rich people with a lot of money who could basically get what they wanted.

I'm going to throw this out there. There were a lot of rich people with a lot of money who could basically get what they wanted. Yeah, you're talking to me. It was not a rich guy. You ended up in the swivel chair. I'm going to throw this out there. I don't think these people would celebrate the same way if the slaves were to have killed Thomas Jefferson and overthrown them. No, certainly not.

I don't think so. And yet somehow I feel like the slaves had a better argument than Thomas Jefferson did. Yeah. I think that there is a lot of various ways things could have gone differently in 1776. It still follows a lot of the ideas of freedom. Yeah. They would have been, these people would have very opposed to it. Very, very against.

Yeah. So Alex, as he's known to do, quote, some meme. You've talked about this a lot of times. Yeah. I mean, look, there's a meme, it's totally true. History shows it. Bad times make hard men hard men make good times. Good times make weak men. Week men make bad times. Yeah, it's a cycle. So a lot of it is our fault. We can't just blend the globalist in the aristocracy. They're right. Thank you.

Thank you. They're rot is our rod. And so that's what I'm talking about. That's so much entertainment. So much food. We got to look at the mirror and ask ourselves, why is it that we bend the knee? Yeah, it's our fault. So I don't think that the past few decades have been particularly soft times for people who are in other segments of society than Alex. Yeah.

Like, as the LGBTQ community has been coasting, there's easy sailing since the 70s. As they've had it so easy, you need to hear that quote that Alex rattles off and realize he's only thinking about this in terms of white men. Yeah. Things have gone too easy for white men, so they've gotten soft.

Yep, that's what Alex is saying. Yes, that is exactly what he's saying. It's not talking about other people who've had decades of struggle. I mean, it is so wild that just because Alex can make these noises that sound like words, people will believe them, you know? And for the equalsay, thank you.

Thank you. This is what I'm talking about. Somebody said noises that sound like words, people will believe them. You know? And for the echo, say, thank you. Thank you. This is what I'm talking about. Somebody said noises that sound like the things that don't correspond to what those noises mean. Yeah. Yeah. It's kind of ridiculous. Yeah.

So the problem is, like we blame the globalists, but really we need to look in the mirror. We blame ourselves. Right. And we also need solutions. Yes, there. I mean, when the Israelites escape from the Pharaoh, they're lost in the desert, get to find the sons and go away. What did they say?

We want to go back and be ruled by the Pharaoh. That's right. And so we can complain about the Pharaoh all we want. And it exists. You know, the E is the globally SG movement, modern stake, but we have to build our own system. That's actually what is it that makes us want to bend the knee? That's actually what this book is a great awakening comes up next week. It's available in Info was right now preorder. This is really important book defeating the global and launching the next great Renaissance. I wouldn't even bring the book up till you brought this up. This book is not just about how they're bad. That's half the book. The rest is solutions. So I'm really

impressed with your work in research. I hope you'll read it. I'm gonna take a copy. Please sir, for me, I take a couple for your crew as well. So absolutely. I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna totally nailing it. And I'm watching. Listen to you. That's how I was able to still your thunder and say you're absolutely. In fact, you influenced this book in me hearing you. We've got a tie about solutions and I was already on that kick, but you're right. I was like, I got to write a book about solutions. Yeah, man. You influenced this book. I have, I have never felt so insulted by compliments. Yeah. You know, like, well, I'm someone else's behalf. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm furious on Vivek's behalf. Now, here's the flip side. Vivek may actually have inspired the book a little bit. That's because Alex didn't write it.

That is a good point. That's a good point. That's a good point. Who might actually like Vivek? Why do we have a need? Why do you have? Possibly because of food and violence and how rich people control both.

Not necessarily not. Yeah, we need solutions. Thank God I have a book. That is too bad. Oh my God. Oh my God. I haven't read a book with a fucking solution in it for 20 years. Well, I've got just the book for you. Yeah, I know. I'm excited. It's called

Alex's dumb shit. Oh, man, I'm not looking forward to that book. No, I believe you. Spoiler alert. I've been working on my book length analysis of Alex's other book. And if past is pretty looted, that second one's going to suck. So much. Anyway, Alex doesn't hate gay people, which is a strange thing for this direction of this to go. But apparently he doesn't. Well, if the left is feeding us race gender sexuality climate, how about reviving the individual? Yes. How about the family? Yes. Nation. This is the first I've heard of these topics. Global citizen from you. I'm a citizen of this nation.

The United States and America. And I'm proud of it. I'm not going to apologize for it. And by the way, God, I think plays a big role in this too. I think the revival of faith is something I totally agree with. Tell me more about that. And again, I'm not against gay people. Tell me all about rainbow flag stuff, but it's the new flag. They're even talking about getting really American flag They're not trying to take George Washington statue down in New York They're now you know doing all of this and this is all unfolding and we're having our symbols that recognize who we are and what we stand for Away from us and giving us a new one that is a government corporate directed

Sex cult. I don't care if it was a heterosexual cult showing me their flag and taking down that flag and telling my kids about it. Do you mean you prefer that? It was some new flag about NASCAR. I'm not against NASCAR, but it was NASCAR stuff everywhere. Then tell them, my kids pledge allegiance to NASCAR. I'd say this is a NASCAR cult, get it out of here. Is there something inherently sexual about NASCAR?

I am really creeped out by all of this. It's a very strange jump. Yeah. But yeah, apparently, Rainbow Flags are the mark of a sex cult that is controlled and operated and all that by the government. So that's fun. Alex doesn't hate gay people though. I find it so strange whenever people make points and then refuse to like, you know, like they, they go forward and then refuse to go backward too. You know where it's like, okay, well, if I think it's silly to pledge allegiance to NASCAR,

it might, it might be silly to pledge allegiance to anybody. No, not of the tar country. Wait, no, but see, our country is essentially NASCAR. There's no different, they're all imaginary. They're all in your head, man. There's no difference. Pledge allegiance imaginary, they're all in your head man. There's no difference, plunging allegiance to this is simply giving up your agency.

Now here's where things get interesting. Yeah. So basically, plunging allegiance is doing the opposite of this individualism. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But here's the thing, like, I think we run into a really fundamental problem with Alex's thought process that maybe we don't unpack enough.

And that is it is somewhat in our head, the concept of country in the same way that NASCAR is in our head or whatever. Pledge allegiance to a NASCAR flag doesn't really. These are all fictional things. But for Alex, I don't think it is. I think that he actually does believe that there is something intrinsic and like objective in its reality about the country because of his belief that it's divinely inspired

and all that. That's a really interesting question. Or I mean, a really interesting point is like, even if I pledge allegiance, even if I say I pledge allegiance to the flag, you know, I don't really, I don't fucking care. And there's no rule that makes me, you know. But for Alex, I do, you're right, there may be like the idea of a cosmic, if you say these words, they do mean something, you know.

Yeah. And the notion of the flag as a proxy of the country is like something holy and real. It does not exist subjectively for you or intersubjectively as a concept that we share in our brains. It is just fully objective for you. Yeah, I mean, that's probably also why I can never understand people like that. That concept of like, you know, none of this is real, right? that is not that concept of like, you know, none of this is real, right? And it's something that isn't really unpacked at all by Alex, because I don't think he's even aware

that other people don't engage the same way. Which is so weird, because those are almost entirely that kind of like paper money is just paper man. It's all just numbers on the screen. Like those are the same conversations about how he wants the gold standard and shit like that. Right. Because that money is imaginary.

Like it's all imaginary. You know what's so funny though, too? Like I've been thinking about this because he's so worried about like digital money and stuff, like central bank digital currencies and stuff. And it's like, okay, so now you're defending paper money. Yeah. Yeah.

This is the same thing. It's just over. I just don't want anything to change while I'm still alive. You've shifted this entire thing. Like paper money was evil when you wanted gold everywhere and all this. Yeah. And now it's, I just don't want ones and zeros. Fine. Anyway, disgusting. So the LGBTQ flag and all this. It's a sex cult. Sure. But he doesn't have any problem. No. And Vivek doesn't understand cults. And what it is, you, you,

cult is interesting. It's an interesting use of the word. So, so cult is a religion that has not withstood the test of time. Okay. So, who are you? So, there's old saying actually. Are you insane? Blaze Pascal. He was a scientist of all things, but he said, if there's a whole, the size of God in your heart and God does not fill it, something else will instead. Exactly.

And my civic version of that, they kick God out and now, something some other poison fills the void. He's filling it. And so my version of that in a civic sense is, if we don't pledge allegiance to the American flag or to a true flag of our nation, we're gonna pledge allegiance to the American flag or to a true flag of our nation, we're going to pledge allegiance to a different flag instead.

Why? I have no idea why. Yeah. That makes no sense. Yeah, I don't think that's true. But also, if the vague thinks that the only difference between a religion and a cult is longevity, he's revealing a very negative perspective on religion. Yeah, I wouldn't say that one around, I guess, all of Christianity.

I would you take great offense at that. I mean, how can you possibly say that and not be like, oh, so you mean Christianity was just a cult? Right. And like, it also reveals a real shallow grasp on like what a cult is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I don't think it's. It is.

No, no. No. No. So Alex, I think it's talking about the fact that you're not going to be a cult. I'm not going to be a cult. I'm not going to be a cult. I'm not going to be a cult. I'm not going to be a cult. I'm not going to be a cult. I'm not going to be a cult. the revelations of depth here? Not many. No. No.

So Alex, they get to talking, you know, about climate change. Oh, God. And now, so here's something that's interesting about the vape. And by that, I mean, not very interesting. Right. He thinks that anybody who believes in climate change, it's disqualifying for you to be able to lead in the country. Boy, if that's one of them, then I think I get to add a bunch more to

and all of them apply to VBank. I mean, there's a lot of, there's, there's a lot of list of things that should be disqualifying. One, having a unprepared interview with Alex really seems like that's right out the gate. Yeah. Seeing the moment he said, hi, Alex, welcome to my show and didn't say goodbye. Yeah. You know, or here is my big stack of paper that I have prepared.

Yes. Rebuttles to all your standard-ass talking points and your lies. Yeah, that would be the like to catch a predator of interviews for Alex. Yeah. So here they get into talking. Alex reveals his position, which we've heard him say before, which is that we need to burn more fossil fuels. Sure.

And this is just ridiculous. I'm not a petroleum geologist. Oh. That family that is, they called this 30 years ago, it's not coming from dead whales and dead dinosaurs. They now have the devices and systems, they keep finding oil deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper, 50, 60,000 feet all the way down to the mantle through the crust. And they're hitting oil and gas deposits

that are so big, they don't have pipes that can contain what's coming up. And what it is is if you look at Mars scientists now believe that I mean, once that atmosphere, but this is a short science lesson, but it once had an atmosphere, but it's gravity wasn't big enough to hold the atmosphere and have water.

I believe that was the water of the surface. It's water to the surface of the moon. That's been confirmed. India confirmed that. What are folks confirmed back in the 60s? So that's the water. I believe that was the water of the servers, it's water of the servers of the moon. That's been confirmed. India confirmed that. What are folks confirmed back in the 60s? So that's going on. So there's actually giant reserves and they're saying these gases are bad. The earth used to have way higher concentrations of methane, carbon dioxide, oxygen, all these

things, but it's off gas in the space and it has retreated underground. So if you look at millions of years ago, the gases have retreated. Now what carbon dioxide is, you're 0.4, I mean it's a fraction of a percent and things used to be healthier. Plants can take 10 times carbon dioxide. They grow faster, need less water. We need to really a magic moment. I'm a God existing that right as the earth starts to slowly lose its atmosphere. I mean, we probably still be a few million years. We come along and are digging all this up and terraforming, amazing engineering, putting it back up. It's good folks. They want a band cows because I buy it. I bet. I bet. So

do you. Methyl cold heat in. We're we're due for another ice age of 12,000 years. I know it's funny, Alex? 12,000. Yeah, I know this, but if you go to the Newsweek Cover magazine or Time Magazine in the 1970s, freezing. We're global ice age. That's what they were saying. If you don't abandon our modern way of life for that, for a different direction, we're going to have a global ice age.

More people are going to die this year of eight times as many people. Actually, this year are going to die of cold temperatures rather than warmer. Absolutely. Wow. So, these are facts you don't hear in the ordinary climate discourse. And they also lie. They also lie. They say, they have no problem.

A lot of time, ever deathfalley. No, it's 134. You know, you know, 131 this year. They said, Texas, hottest ever, longest spell. And then I went back and looked at the books. Because I remember playing football. I'm like, you know, 1990, they had to cancel two days. a lot of staff are longer spell and then I went back and looked at the books. I remember playing football in like 1990. They had to cancel two days because it was 112 and people were dying all over the

city of Dallas where I live and it was also an Austin. So, but I look at the records. They're just lying. Yeah. We talked about Alex's faulty memories about heat when he was a kid already in the past. So I'm not going to get back into that, but he's just wrong. I don't want to suddenly have to go back through the fucking poor Richard's Almanac on the burger again. Yeah, that's the idea about the predictions of an Ice Age

in the 70s. That's really interesting. This is a talking point thrown out by climate change deniers meant to invalidate the points being made today. Yeah, they say it was going to be an Ice Age, but now it's all warming. In reality, a paper published in 2008 in the Bolton of the American Meteorological Society

looked at the published science from the 70s and found that only 10% of the papers published back then were suggesting a cooling trend compared to 62% that predicted warming. Folks like Alex and Vivek have created this image of a false consensus existing in the past because it helps them score points for their fraudulent arguments in the present. It's all a facade and a lie. But more to the point, you were having a, you, you got so long he swung you. I appreciate, here's what I appreciate about this argument. Yeah.

You know, a few million years ago, you know, there's a lot more carbon and stuff than they're going on. And you know, during the Cretaceous period, everything that was so much carbon because all that stuff was about, and it like yes man you understand other stuff was alive then Yeah, man, we would not be alive then. That's true. That is our conversation about how great the plants at it If if that is your if that is the conversation you want to have is like hey listen Maybe we've had our run Let's ride it out and let something else run out the earth for a long time.

I guess that is your argument. Well, you know, don't tell me that the science is wrong. Well, it is interesting that you have this, you know, this presentation of like, we can't make drastic changes to reduce karma emissions because that's too drastic. It's too drastic and it's a real severe change that we're going to need to make.

When he's saying like, hey, we would be fine in the crit, crit, crit, I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. The drastic changes we would need to be able to survive in that environment are much larger than those that would be needed to, you know, focus more on renewable energy. You phase out fossil fuels and. Yeah, like, like think about it this way Alex all right so

200 million years ago in this high carbon time right your ostrich 60 feet tall right it's a dinosaur man run around eating everybody up right then the climate changes Dinosaur now it's fucking ostrich. Do you see how this works buddy? Well Alex wants to be taller Well, I guess that's the way to do it. More cows, more carbon, that'll make you taller, I think. Yes. But I think when you have the argument that it's like, no, no, no, we need to burn more fossil fuels in order to geo-engineer the planet in a way that God intended by leaving behind all of

this oil and all of this stuff that has retreated under the service. When you hear that argument, you can't really, there's no discussion. Oh, no, I mean, yeah. Once your argument is like, man, isn't God absolutely fucking insane? Then you're like, I guess if you've been- This is no longer a science and policy conversation. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, a fantasy world. I worship Loki who introduces chaos into every system. And so in order for me to continue, I think we have to increase the amount of carbon. Well, that's an interesting point. I'd like you to stay away from any of your levers of power. No, no, no,

Radda Tusker. So the fake running for president, but obviously there's a problem and that is the Trump is running for president. That is an issue. Now Alex discusses a circumstance where and he might support Vivek. Yeah, but I'm interested to hear. It's, it goes bad. Yeah. I am really glad you are the most successful person on injecting these topics. Because I see you inject topics at the national level

that would have never been there. They're so vital. And so, I mean, I think that's how do you pronounce Vivek? You know, you're, I mean, I'd like him to elect you, but if not you, I think Kennedy is going to pull more from the Republicans. It runs independent, which he is. So I like a lot of his ideas, but I think it's destructive. Now, I'm not going to support Kennedy as a third party candidate, because that will pull

from the Republicans. So again, I hope nothing happens to Trump, but if something does happen to him. Oh God, for Biddy, we don't want that. What? What? What we want is to advance the interests of this country. Oh my God.

So basically, Alex is like, Trump gets killed. You're in, man. Yeah, I mean, that's basically, hey, look, if something happens to Trump like he dies or is murdered, then... I got you back then. Listen, how about this if you and I were the last people on earth I would vote for me but if something happened to me I would vote for you I promise yeah cool man I guarantee me as a

white nationalist I'm gonna get into that booth I'm gonna be by myself with nobody watching and I'm gonna think the vague sounds like a name that's good for me now the argument of not supporting RFK junior because he pulls I'm gonna be by myself with nobody watching and I'm gonna think the vague sounds like a name that's good for me. Now the argument of not supporting RFK Jr. because he pulls support from the GOP. The tip of the spear. But that shouldn't be what Alex, that shouldn't be the way that he oriented politics at all.

Absolutely not. That is pathetic. Yeah. Partisan hackery on this part. Yeah, absolutely. It's completely counter to his brand. Everything that he's ever said is demolished by the like, hey, listen, we need to pick the lesser of two evils and tow the party line.

Even though we don't necessarily like everything and it's not perfect. Now, okay, sure, maybe DeSantis will be the candidate. And I don't really like him all that much anymore because he's falling out of grace with the extreme right wing. Yeah. But, you know, he's going to be the GOP candidate. I can't support RFK Jr. because he's going to pull votes away from the GOP and I really actually just want the GOP to stay in power. Yep. Cool, man. Great. Well, you have to go on. Just say that. So anyway, here's where they sign off. Very pleasant. Okay. I'm glad

we met. And we met literally a one or two minutes which had it before we just this is the first conversation we've ever had. Well, I'm in pressure. I mean, you're showing up here like 6.45 in the morning. We're taping this and you're off the border. Yeah, I'm going to the border and then I'm going to New Hampshire. I mean, we're all over the place, but I'm around the clock. So you're a busy man pulling me out of here, actually. I will. Thank you. Hey, I'm going to go to Eagle Pass from here. I'm an internet prison. So info wars.com, uh, band out video has all our band videos, band out video of the book, the great awakening.

I hope you'll read it. I hope you'll come on my show soon and tell me what you thought. I'm a big fan of your work. Thank you, man. Good luck. Good luck, man. Be safe.

Thank you. Notice there wasn't a yell. Come on, your show. Also, don't go to band out video and search your name. You're going to find Rumpa Swampi, I love videos and shit. Well, I mean, maybe, well, that's right. He, he, he, did they do still tag his real name in there?

Yeah, I mean, it'd be more fun if he searched his name and he could not find anything. Right. Because it was all Rumpa Swampi. No, I mean, beyond that, there is also just videos. There are a couple of people who seem to have pretty positive views of him, like Jason Burmess. Certainly, he seems to be pretty Vivek positive.

Sure. Don't attract them. But then you also get it, if you click on any of those videos, you'll see the comments and the comments aren't good. People don't, Bandai video users don't seem to have such a hot view of Vivek. It is always, and it is always, and it is never surprising, whenever anybody non-white male in that space is like, man, I sure get abused a lot.

You're like, boy, I don't know what to tell you. Oh, I mean, go to it in good luck. It has a lot of the same vibe of like, oh and being like, I can't believe that they're hanging me out to dry, just because I'm going to jail for two months. I know. What did you expect?

What have you not, I know you're supposed to, but you're telling me to pay attention. Have you not looked around you? Yeah, no, of course not. So this interview I found to be largely, interesting, just based on the dynamic of it. I think that there is no real truth gotten to. No. I think that based on everything I know about Vivek, if he did look into Alex, I think

he'd still like him. Like I think that they have very similar ideas about like, you know, things like climate change, LGBTQ, uh, bashing. Yeah. Um, there's a lot of those issues that they have common ground on. Now, what extent Vivek would want to be associated with Alex talking about literal demons and all that stuff, that's an open question. I'm not sure. I think that if he actually watched Alex a show and wanted to ask him questions about like, what the fuck is this about your prophetic visions and stuff like that? That would be the interesting interview I'd like to see because I do think they agree on a lot of policy stuff, but the clonery, I'm not sure that that you, that Vake would want to, he like, I think he wants to be taken seriously.

Yeah, I agree. And that's funny because he interviewed Papa John. I also agree with that too. Anyway, just a disaster of poorly thought out, poorly conceived, poorly executed interview. Yeah, man, just just do your homework. If you're going to do a homework show, do your homework. But here's the problem. You can't do this interview if you've done your homework. Well, that's a good idea. You can justify doing it if you look into things. Yeah. You can't do this interview if you've done your homework. Well, that's a good idea. Justify doing it if you look into things. Yeah.

You have to have the plausible deniability of I did no preparation for this in order to talk to Alex. If you prepare at all, you have to have a confrontational interview with him. And so that's that's all that's the other part which is not an interview. Yeah. And Alex probably wouldn't show up for it. Yeah. I mean, it would, it would either be and run away or turn into him with Andrew Neil on the BBC.

Yeah. It'd be no point. Anyway, Jordan will be back with another episode. Maybe we'll talk about. For instance, maybe not. Who knows? Let's, we'll see. Until then, we have website. And do you we do? It's knowledge fights.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. Is that an eligibility score fight? Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo,

I'm DZX Clark. I never think about what the bit I should do is gonna be until exactly when I say DZX Clark. Yeah, and that's a problem, because I got nothing. I mean, especially in the show where we criticize people for preparation. This is a minor kind of preparation thing. Structurally, I don't think that this condemns any of our work.

No, no, actually this is part of the bit now is it's unfortunately part of the bit. It does seem there's a meta bit that's going on as we're talking. It still happened. Oh my god, we got to end it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.