Knowledge Fight - #867: Stern Vs. Jones

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan try to find something fun to talk about with Alex out of the studio, following his outburst last week.  They decide to check in on the time back in 2013 when Alex chatted with Howard Stern, which is about as productive a chat as you imagine.

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Oh indeed we are dad Jordan Dan Jordan quick question Surprise buddy my bright spot today Jordan is it is finally time to announce yes the book project The home of this and for forthcoming yes, deconstructive projects. I have, so I don't want to tease too much. No. But obviously Alex has another book that has just come out, The Great Awakening that will need to be dealt with.

I told this, I told you, I told myself and I told the audience that we would never cover reset wars and I've decided to go back on that promise. Oh my God. There will be coverage of reset wars. Sure. At to go back on that promise. Oh my God. There will be coverage of reset wars at this website. Sure. Sure. And that website, Jordan, a lot of people have bought us fun URLs over the years. There's of course, fill your hand.com was I think the first of the I think so too. Yeah. But there have been a number of great URLs that redirect to knowledgefight.com. And I appreciate everybody who has done that.

Yes. But there is one URL that I thought was unattainable, that I thought never would be able to be snatched up. But I have snatched it up and it was cheap. $12 a year. Yeah. This was not an expensive. That is cheap. Alex Jones is an idiot.com.

Hi. He's our website for this. The great reset coverage is there and you can enjoy it at your leisure. It's long, too long, many have said. Who owned that here, URL? And how does that work? I don't think anyone did.

I think it was open. What does that even mean? I think it was available. What does that mean? That no one had Alex Jones as an idiot.com? So then, is that a thing that, what do you do then? Does everybody have to auction it? Do you have to like fight for it?

What is it? I think demand was low. Or is it just literally like, you, it's like a company that just has them and you register in it. Yeah, it's like GoDaddy. It's like they have the, all of them that domain stuff, right?

I mean, I don't know how it works either. Yeah, because I mean now that I think about it in the back of my head, there's a part of me that's like, so it's like one company owns all the URLs. Here's what. And then you go to their warehouse and you're like, oh, Alex Jones and Adi, it's still on the shops, okay? I've not researched this in any way, but here's what my guess is.

Okay, my guess is that all domain names are available, essentially, except for the ones that are taken. And so you use a service like GoDaddy, and it costs whatever amount a year to, like, for their registration service or whatever. You could conceivably maybe do it yourself, but it might cost you more than $12 in the process of doing it per year or something. And so the reason that some are higher up than others, some are way more expensive

is because someone's sitting on them. So people have pre-registered these domain names because they want to make it so you have to get into a bidding war with them. Like Alex Jones.com or something like that. It's going to be prohibitively expensive. Right. But Alex Jones is an idiot.com wide open.

Apparently. Yep. You know why? Too obvious. Yeah, maybe it is. But that's why it's a perfect URL for my purpose. It is. It is.

It's confrontational. I mean, it's better than on the nose.com. See, that's available.. I mean, it's better than on the nose.com. See, that's available. So, I'm excited. I hope people enjoy and have a good time. Yes. So, what's your bright spot?

My bright spot is this weekend, banner weekend for... First banner week. ...anime, not quite the Hulk. David Banner. The Netflix just released a blue eye samurai, which is fucking amazing. If you like samurai movies, anything, anything,

if you even are okay with them, it is fucking awesome. If you're tolerant of samurai movies. If you're tolerant of samurai, anything, this is awesome. Okay. No doubt, really, really well written. The animation is so good, it's just awesome. Okay. No doubt really, really well written. The animation is so good. It's just awesome. And then finally, Attack on Titan ended.

Oh. It finally ended after- Rest in peace. So many years. After so many, so the last season was about three years ago and then they did two more seasons. To give you an idea of how- It's like fast and furious.

It just won't go. Yeah, it just won't stop, and then it did. It finally ended. So, it was great. It was a good ending. Okay, good for them. How long has it been around? Does it say a general hospital?

Long, top, no. No, no, like probably decade. Something like that, maybe? That's a good run. Yeah. Great run. Yeah. And it was a good ending.

Attack on Titan is a name that I have nothing to attach to. I have no, like, my brain is trying to find any specific I can think of. I got nothing. I'm thinking of Titan AE, that would be. Totally. And I'll tell you this. Do you know what's crazy about it? The bad things, they're called Titans, right? But they're not on Titan.

The planet. Yeah. Or the moon or whatever. They're not there. So it's not like you're attacking on, it's like an assault on a thing. It's just kind of like a they are Titans. It's an attack on them. Right. Kind of. It's a titanomaki as the Greeks would put it. It's just it's a frustrating name. Uh-huh. I've always found it to it's like a slant rhyme. Well, it doesn't close, but it's not right. This certainly doesn't help me put more details to the name.

So I'm still just as confused as ever. Now you're good. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Sure. And here's the sitch. What? Alex Quit on our last episode. Yes, he did. On Thursday's episode, November 1st of last week, he quit like a little baby cried in

a huff. Yeah. And then so on Friday, he had a little video of him in his backyard. I'm sorry. Yeah, that played at the beginning of the show. And then somebody else hosted, though it wasn't even hosting, it was just a video of some, like a couple people talking shit for most of the show and then Drew Hernandez, the baby reporter, took over towards the end of the show. Ouch.

And it's, you know, just Alex rambling for a couple minutes in his backyard, like this isn't good. Then he did a show on Saturday. Was he wearing all of his clothes correctly? Or was he wearing shorts with big hearts on them? Here's where things get interesting. Only shop from the shoulder up. Shorter's up.

No idea if he had pants up. So he's definitely outside the pool. He could be. So then on Saturday, he put out a special report and he just called in and did a little bit on the phone on that. Whereas the beginning of the show is all Viva Fry who's the guy who does that podcast with Bobby Barnes.

He's another lawyer who's a friend with Barnes. And so he hosted, interviewing somebody who's apparently writing a book on the 13 bloodlines of the Illuminati or something. I love those bloodlines, but um, apparently she was like live streaming Trump's, uh, trial or something of that. She had trouble, so that's why she's relevant. I don't know. Probably not interesting. Nope. And then the end of that episode, the last like hour or so is, uh, Joel Gilbert, the guy who got screwed by Alex on Thursday,

the guy who made the documentary quote unquote about Michelle Obama. Yeah, and then we didn't do the promo. So fuck it. We're just not going to talk to him where he's rescheduled. He shows up. He's got a trailer. He's got a promo. He alone without Alex does an entire presentation about this Michelle Obama film. I like that. But none of that is really worthwhile to talk about. None of that is going to be an episode. No. And so I dove back into the past.

Sure. It's been a while since we've had a 2004 episode. It has. And so I thought that would be perfect. But unfortunately in March 2004, there's a little bit of a law in Alex's content. I ended up hitting like three or four episodes in a row. There's like, there's nothing happening here. And so that's a time suck. That, you know,

that ends up leading to a situation where Sunday is approaching us when we need to record. And I got nothing. What do we have to do? You know, the thought, I just had a thought, right? You know what I find interesting? Is that when I look back over my time in the W years, so much time spent on what dumb thing did W say today? We don't do ending of that, you know? I find that fascinating to go back and just be like, that didn't even happen in our, this... Alex's world?

Yeah. Yeah. There is not really a strategy. Yeah, it's kind of fascinating how an entire world, I recall, is so obsessed with those kinds of things. And then in Alex's world, it's just like not even there.

We might just not be on the right days yet. I don't know if we have a full, like we haven't gone to the re-election yet. Yeah, there's there's still a lot of bush left to go You never and you know what I don't remember what you know because was he machine gun in those out? You know that was it was that a factory like one every day. He's got another Yeah, that's what I'm saying it felt like that but maybe only said like 10 stupid things fool me once

Won't get fooled again. Was that what it was fun of them. That was something like that. Oh my god Fully waltz woke it fooled again. I know it was a little bit more to that quote. Yeah. But anyway, I was thinking about like some high-profile guests and stuff that we had uncovered and I couldn't really come up with any off the top of my head that I would know where to find them and you know, it's just, it's just what are we gonna do? Yeah? And so I realize there's one thing we haven't covered and here's an out of context drop from that. How much are you over six inches? You know I'm not gonna get the job done.

Really? Okay. So in 2013, Alex was on Howard's turn. And Howard started asking if his dick was over six inches. Right, right. Yep. Oh, man, that is a maddening answer. Mm-hmm.

I'll be back at the job done. What is that mean? So it's a surreal environment for Alex to be in. But, you know, I think I knew, of course I knew this happened. But I think I felt like I don't want to cover this because first of all, I don't know, I don't like Stern that much. Right. I never was a big Stern guy growing up. Sure.

And it just kind of felt dumb, but I decided today, let's have some of the covers. Here we go. Why not dive in and see what Howard Stern and Alex Jones got up to? Roll them bones. This was also, I should say, it's in 2013. Okay. It is in the immediate time after Alex was on Pierce Morgan and screamed at him.

Sure. And so that was when Alex was a hot commodity in the media. Right. And I believe, if I had to guess, based on the way this goes, Howard was interested in maybe him being part of a whack pack. Okay. You know, like, we've got this crazy guy who yelled at peers more. Sure, sure, sure. This might be another interesting insane person to add to our, our, our, our cadre. Right. Right. I got you. So, so this may be like a recruitment interview as well. Or at least a spectacle. Right. Wow. Sure. So we'll get down to business on this Jordan, but first let's say hello to some new ones. Oh, that's a great idea.

So first, Mandalf, thank you so much. You are now, policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, my name is JR. Thank you so much, you are now, policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Good old JR. Next, happy first anniversary to my amazing wife, the future pirate queen of Lake Michigan. Thank you so much, you are now, policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next happy first anniversary to my amazing wife, the future pirate queen of Lake Michigan. Thank you so much, you're an outpulles who want. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Next, Baron von Count Grishnikack, Dishad, Dishad and his faithful Steve Poo to the cat. Thank you so much, you're an outpulles who want. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Alex Jones is my emotional support, Demogog. Thank you so much, you're an outpulles who want. I'm a policy won. Thank you very much. we got a text card to the mix Jordan so thank you so

much to vhs the pacifist lizard queen and her dog would stock the tiny love festival thank you so much you are now a technocrat i'm a policy wonk for start the honky mod and tell it you brilliant someone someone satamite sent me a book of a poop daddy shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little little kitty baby I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you. Yes. Thank you very much I got confused all reading that because woodstock in peanuts sure it's not the dog not the dog very specifically not the dog But hangs out on the dog house. Right. Uh huh.

Yeah. That's right. Yep. Totally accurate statement. Yep. You have made. So here is the beginning of Stern's interview with Alex. And it introduces him.

And of course, the context of this is that post-Pierre's Morgan thing. Right. And so Alex talks about how they desperately wanted to it he did it they wanted to keep him off the show and all this uh... alice johns is a radio host he uh... he's on a lot of i don't even have it alice how many uh... stations are you on

around a hundred fifty hour it's great to be here with you and robin and the whole crew is uh... crazy to me or been listening to you from hours. It's great to be here with you and Robin and the whole crew. It's crazy to me. You've been listening to here for more than 20 years. Well, great to have you on because we saw you on Pierce Morgan. And we really enjoyed it. We loved it was the I think it was the best Pierce Morgan appearance I've ever seen. Well, folks liked it. And they said it was the highest ratings they've had in their entire two year history. But I ran into Pierce Morgan

in Houston a few weeks ago. And he said they're basically scared to have me back on. Why? Why would they be scared of you? I guess they're afraid of ratings. Well, he said on video, actually caught on video down in Houston, he said we don't wanna give you that much attention. I'm like, no, no, no, it's having controversy

on your show that gave you attention and made the number one story in the United States for a whole week, Pierce. So that's a fun way of putting it like I ran into Pierce Morgan. I just randomly ran into him. It was so weird. I was at the store. All right.

And then I went to go, well, because I hadn't put the corridor into the machine. So I went to go look at that and who is across the street getting up new parachutes, but Pierce Morgan or even like more to the point that you're trying to like express is like me and Pierce Run in similar circles and we just Happened to run into each other as opposed to Alex cornering him at an event Pierce was doing and begging him to come back on the show Yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, I think they're doing it remotely. Okay, okay, gotcha. But he went to New York and she was crazy, man. Sure. They were people all over the place following him.

Right. There is a paranoid, delusional fantasy that Alex expresses about his time in New York here. Yeah, I mean, you have said that you were scared even to go to New York because you you do have conspiracy theories And you were afraid they were planning to kill you in New York, right? Oh, no, well, I mean just to be honest I mean I've snuck into Bohemian Grove. I've covered sculling bones. I've covered military operations. I've been arrested in New York For demonstrating things like that. It was after well, well first they wanted to drive me the five or six blocks and pick us up

And I said, you know what? I want to walk down to the CNN building and so they had cops in plain clothes that kept popping out I even caught some of them on video going hey Alex where you going you planning something and Then when I left they were following us and it looked like cops from the movie Goodfellas or something and then at our Hotel they were waiting for us and I said you know what I think I'm gonna get in the cab we're already flying out of New Jersey I said let's just drive out stay in New Jersey and fly out the next morning so yes my spidey sense which which I mean I rarely get up and leave some place I had a bad feeling with a bunch of New York detectives follow me around I got out of the city yeah that's it and you live in Texas and that's your thing. And what way you married guy?

Yes, I am. Yeah. And you got kids? Three of them. So a stern you can tell is kind of like, oh, let's move along this. Maybe we'll touch it back on this. Yeah. The heat, this interview is like just nuts. It makes no sense. No, I accept through the prism of stern like being like, see if I can get some entertainment out of this guy. Yeah, it does seem that way. And the way that Robin treats it is very fun. I already appreciate just that, oh no. They tried to kill you.

They tried to kill me. Oh no. Like, okay, yeah, all right, we get it. Find all these detectives following me. Nobody tried to kill you. Fox News, Fox News, Lord Me. Detectives. Detect it.

Come on, man. So the idea behind it is basically that Mike Bloomberg was trying to like lure Alex to New York basically. Sure. And I guess he must have had Pierce Morgan invite Alex to come on. That tracks. In order to put him in a place where he could be kettled and these detectives would entrap him or somehow I'm just saying

I'm up or kill him that's beat cop shit. You don't need a detective for that. What is the detective even doing that? They do but they do a better job. Well listen, nobody's no more training. Nobody's arguing that fact. Cleaner assassination methods. That is important. That is important. So, Stern, he shifts over to like the your family stuff and then gets back to the, you think people are trying to murder you and go. Right, okay, okay. And he gets Alex to waffle a little bit with that. What?

Yeah, it's interesting. Don't you, don't you lose people with, although, I mean listen, you're a radio guy, you've got to be a performer too and you got to hold an audience if you keep up in the ante it would like you know like you said mayor Bloomberg probably hired the mafia or undercover cops deposes crackheads to kill you while you're in New York City yeah that makes you know during the pierce Morgan thing that's where you start to lose people because you're like, you know what I mean? You're gonna, sure, like you could probably run for office or something. If you, if you didn't go after the really far out there conspiracy question Howard, I totally agree with you that that sounds crazy. Right. Okay. Right. Here's the deal. It happened. So I talked about it. I've never put out something saying

they're coming after us. Look out. This is going on. I was sick when I went to New York Had the flu. I was throwing up in the CNN bathroom. That's why I described how dirty it was. It was really disgusting He's getting it over a toilet thing with perhaps spray all over the wall Literally not for me other people. I'm in this filthy bathroom throwing up. I got to go out there I'm sweating. I'm up to appears Morgan actually. I wasn't putting on you know quote an act I was pissed off. I did blow up But it actually worked out. At first people were all shocked by it, but then they said, wait a minute.

And of course, I heard Rob in the day after talking about it. Look, you should be mad. That's being a real American. They said it discredited me, but notice they haven't invited me back. They don't want America waking up out of its coma and getting upset. But listen, getting back to the whole Bloomberg thing. That night, before we left the hotel, it might have been a little panic. I might have even in my own mind exaggerated things. Well, you know, I'm sorry. I caught some of this on tape in my own mind.

My manager's director went with me. We're I see men, I feel like crap. Maybe if I walk down the street, you know, I'm sick, maybe I'll feel better when we get there so I'm walking the five six blocks and guys are popping out of boardways Hello, it's like cops going hey, buddy. What's your plan? You're planning to do something. I'm a big listener. You think I'm on he was plotting against you I'm just guessing as he runs the setting and we look like detectives to me that I've seen you know, a round Bloomberg when I've been up in New York. Could they have been fed in the pizza blog? Listen, the first time I thought, man, that guy probably is a cop. It happened twice, three times.

They knew where I was at. They obviously had the cell phone tracking systems that the police under Homeland Security can dial into and pinpoint exactly where you're at, just like your wife if she has your phone code. Alex, do you ever think that you were paranoid seriously you're paranoid seriously because no listen I caught it on tape that's the thing is that is that then I said I said I want to be led on the on the mall exit I don't want to be let out on the bat door his guys are waiting out there and we walk out and there's the guy turning walking talking to

a sleeve bumping into the wall and two other guys are walking up like in a good fellows movie and I said taxi and jumped in a cab and left I know is if you wanted to add a New York listen, I was arrested. It's on video in New York five years ago for nothing Okay, we were down there protesting at Fox News. They had a live event. What are you protesting? We were protesting media propaganda okay Okay. I was protesting general. General. General. I was protesting. We're all to repair. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I found that video. I've watched it. He was pro. He was arrested and it was for inciting people like he has yet it's bullhorn out and everything. Sure. Sure. Sure. And it was a demonstration

place that didn't have a permit to hold a hold a rally. Right. Right. Right. So it was that. It was a reason you can argue whether it's a good enough reason or not to detain him momentarily. But, but, Bay, yeah. So he was, he was almost killed by these detectives. I mean, you can't really argue with the way he's laying it out. It sounds not like a paranoid person at all. No, no, no, no.

Sounds legit. It is weird to exist in the totality of Alex's career, you know, now where no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Stern being like, Alex, do you sound paranoid? You know it? It's like, you don't even fuck. We should all be doing something about this. Not Howard being like, you sound paranoid, no. Well, it's an interesting point because at this stage in 2013, the public awareness of Alex Jones would have been fairly minimal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was well known within conspiracy and like, you know,

pretty far right wing Media-ish circles, but in terms of his penetration of like mainstream awareness there was Some 9-11 blips that he might have come to the surface with check there might have been some instances where like his involvement with the tea party might have Made him been some instances where like his involvement with the Tea Party might have made him closer to relevant to people, but like until he was on that Pears Morgan show, it was not really a ton of like who is this guy? He's a big, big name. People are more interested in Glonbeck, honestly. Yeah, that's true. Weird, weird times. So it makes sense for Howard to have a little bit of a,

who is this kind of, sure, fuck a fucker on here. Yeah, not your nonsense. Yeah. But yeah, he does sound a little paranoid, I think. What's Howard's plan here? I don't think he has one. I mean, that's,

I think he wants to find out how big Alex is dick. I mean, I feel like that's probably where we should go. Oh. That comes up later in a part that I did not include Alex's dick. I mean, I feel like that's probably where we should go. That comes up later in a part that I did not include where Alex is describing how he had sex at 12 and all that stuff. All of his childhood Sure. Dalliances. Sure. does not believe to be traumatic.

Yeah. Yeah, very, very dramatic. It's a fucking traumatic to me. Yeah. Um, so the police were following Alex. And then he admits that he might be overblowing all of this. Well, listen, my point is, I know when, when, when people are basically hunting you, you know when a tiger is crawling on a front paws about the pants on a gazelle or something. Okay. No, that's the point. You don't have to. On your body planning something. They had a look in their eyes

like they were planning something. You know, the diverts when cops have just got you staked out to see if you're planning something and the diverts when they're acting really aggressive and bother really. No, no, no, different one. The carrier head off. And my instinct was get the hell out of here. Do you think they don't want to? Now do you think you're safe in Texas? Is that why you broadcast from there? Listen, I go out, I've snuck on military bases

to come or urban warfare drills. I snuck into Bohemian Grove. I go out there without bodyguards and do all this stuff. I'm not normally a temid person. I've gone in, I've gotten my peers Morgan interview, I had the flu. So when you're dizzy and puke, and do you feel like going to jail? Are you in fear for your life? Not generally. I mean, I'm in fear for my wife and I drive to work. That's the most dangerous thing in this country. Right. Is automobiles. But listen, let's just be specific here.

I'm bold. I'm the opposite of fearful. I was off balance. I was sick in New York. I was going off period, Rennel and that's why I mean, imagine Howard, I'm sure before you've had an event or some big thing you've got to do. You're a consummate professional. Have you ever been sick before and had to go on air? And we're kind of an asshole many times. I'm not kind of an asshole every day. I mean, no, you're not going to be a sick and after perform, you tend to be almost even more focused. Yes. Yeah. It's funny. Some of my best shows are when I'm really sick. Exactly. So, so again, I mean, sure, I had to flu. I had 102 fever. I mean, did I over blow cops falling here on? Yeah. Yeah. Wait, what? Did I make all this up because I haveHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA person like Howard Stern who won't let things go necessarily. No, and it was, it is basically, no, it's 100% Austin Powers like, oh no, he asked you

three times. And at the third time, he's like, yeah, I made it all up. Like, it's that simple. If you're just asking him, nobody ever follows up, nobody just asks him three times. But it has to be like this environment is really unique in some ways because it's live presumably. Sure. It is Howard Stern, who somebody who's a giant celebrity. Yeah.

And someone who Alex says multiple times, I've listened to you for years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's someone who Alex enjoys and likes. Yeah. And it's also somebody who has keen interviewing instincts and can tell when Alex is trying to dodge something. Yeah. And is willing to be like, no, what are you talking about?

What are you talking about? And yeah, that's a threatening position for Alex because you just end up saying, yeah. Yeah, I made it up. I over blew it in my head. Yeah, I made it up. Of course. I had a fever.

So I made it up. And it's more fun to imagine that I'm being chased out of New York by Bloomberg hired mafia undercover detective goons. Yeah, come on man, you know it's better for the brand. Yeah. So they talk a little bit about the turning the frogs gay thing. And turns out frogs are gay,

fish are bisexual, and shrimp are becoming suicidal. These are the talking points of the ocean. All right. And so they wanna, Stern and Rob and wanna touch on this and hate Gay people right where are you on gay marriage? Wow man great times to be alive. Uh-huh. Yeah

Are you in? Are you in? How do you stand on gay marriage? Where are you on gay marriage? I don't care about it. Well, listen, I'm a libertarian, so I think people should be able to do whatever they want. Yeah, right Good. What happened with you? Yeah, not a homophobic thing? What happened when you went on the show to view, was it a disaster? I didn't see tape of that. No, it was great. I mean, I took it over.

Right. I mean, what's the point? They wanted to basically make fun of Charlie Sheen while I was on there. Right. To see your buddy. I've known Charlie for about eight years. I'd probably stay at his house 15 times.

He's really, really interesting fellow. and that I would say, yes. What a happy, is beyond even what people hear. He's a really smart guy. So like, when you go over Charlie's house because you become friendly, he's a fan of yours, right? He, he, he buys into a lot of your theories. Sure, but I shouldn't have let the meltdown happen a year and a half ago on my show, because it was first Martin Sheen and Emilio Esteives that were listeners it was Amelia the turning one of the

show in my films and then Charlie about me out there you know called me back on 2005 and then you know it was a culture shock for you when you went over his house no it's not easy well back then he was all clean and just incredibly smart and incredible energy the guy would sit there you know up till 2 a.m. just talking about quantum mechanics and stuff. Does he know what he's talking about? Oh he does. Let's see the issue is, he eats my whole chicken up. You know quantum mechanics. I mean, I'm in the stuff like that. Sure, man, that's what I meant. That's your thing. That's his thing. That's his thing. Yeah,

definitely doesn't sound like somebody who's on drugs, staying up all hours of the night, rambleing about quantum mechanics. No, that's what he was actor. That's what he was clean. Yeah, totally clean. That's what he was told. Well, I mean, that's when things were getting cleaned a lot because he was up all night all the time. Compulsively clean, what might say? Yeah, so almost, oh, too clean.

Now, I think that Alex believes himself to be a fan of gay marriage or fine with gay marriage at this point in his life. He's lying to himself and everyone around him. But I do think that he thinks that's his position at this point. Right. That said, I'm fascinated by the idea that he's able to articulate that he shouldn't have let Charlie Sheen behave the way he did on his show. I am blown away, but because that is the truth.

Yeah. As a friend, as somebody who has any concern for the welfare of others over what ratings you'll get out of something. Yep. He had every obligation to not allow that interview to proceed, like Charlie Cena was obviously fucked up. And Alex was actually aching him on. Yep.

Because it was good radio and it ruined Charlie Sheen's fucking life. Yeah, that is, it is really strange to hear him say it To hear Alex and so readily say yeah, yeah, yeah, and bitch just be like yeah, I've I've actually Analyzed my behavior from that time Recognized he failing and I'm now willing to admit to that. Mm-hmm Especially considering we know that he doesn't give a fuck about Joe Rogan. You know, like he doesn't give a fuck about any of these people. Did God tell him to destroy Charlie Sheen?

I'm gonna go, maybe that's the problem. Maybe God was like, come on man. Why didn't you save Charlie Sheen? I loved that guy. Or God was like, make Juleeg one. Right, age relief two. Hot shots part one. Hot shots part do. Okay. Part do really.

No one. No one cares what hot shots. It had to rhyme with two. Listen. Yes. I'm channeling Alex. He's saying listen a lot in this interview. I think that God was probably telling Alex while he was doing that interview.

This is good shit man. Keep it going. Keep it going. Keep it going. Ironically, I bet God was saying the same thing to Charlie Sheep. Yeah. So the question of drugs comes up. Yeah. And Alex is weirdly cagey about something.

Sure. Did he ever try to do drugs with you? No, listen, I've never seen him do drugs. I've never, all I've seen him is smoke marble or reds and drink tons of coffee. You ever do you ever into drugs? You know, I mean, I've been honest about growing up in Dallas, Texas. I experimented with this and that but every time I'm sure pot. Yes, loads. You know, I never really like, I mean, I tried hard drugs once or twice. LSD. How am I going to get to that point?

How am I going to discuss? What do you mean? Alex, did you do LSD? I'm not going to. No, I didn't. I didn't. I have a session with that woman, Monica Lewinsky. Why don't you talk about drug use, sir?

I smoked pot, but I didn't inhale. How come you don't do you want to run for officers? I'm going to see her in here. I'm going to tell you something. I'm going to tell you something. I smoked pot but I didn't inhale. How come you don't do you want to run for officers? I'm gonna tell you something. Why don't you talk about that? You seem pretty honest. Why don't you talk about stuff like that? Because it's a distraction and overall diversion and I might have a glass of wine now. Right. And I don't even smoke cigars anymore. So I mean that's basically it. I mean I I'm a clean guy. So, so if you admit that you did acid, it would hurt who?

Undermit your argument. Well, yeah, then you then Howard would say, well, that's why so paranormal. No, no, no, I wouldn't say that. I did. I did acid. I mean, I was the biggest mistake in my life. I'm high on reality. They perfectly nailed why Alex wouldn't talk about this. That he has such a defensiveness about it because he feels that people would not take him seriously if they knew that he'd done hallucinogenic things in the past. That is the instinct that I'm talking about,

that Howard Stern has, that a lot of other interviewers don't have, and because of his high status with Alex, he's able to operate in this way and ask those questions that Alex would storm out or not take seriously to someone else. The point there is pretty important, I think, that Alex is fine saying I've done hash. Sure, I've smoked weed. Sure. It, it also you can tell that Howard is a lot is fucking with him because the next one was ludes. Yeah. Yeah, you done

quailudes. Yeah. If I were Alex, I'd be kind of self-conscious about that too because he is so clearly unbalanced that like is so clearly unbalanced that like pretending he's an acid casualty or something like that makes some sense. Yeah, I mean, it's hard not, but if anybody's yelling about MK Ultra too much who also did LSD, you immediately drop them down a peg or two and the credibility train. And Alex doesn't want to have to deal with the reality of what his credibility is. He wants to sort of whitewash a little bit. Sure, sure.

Or at least in this situation, you know, but I don't know how hard it would be to say, to admit that you've done LSD if you're yelling about how God downloaded everything into your brain over a chicken fried steak. Well, he's high on reality. Well, I mean, you can do both. Can you? I'll give it a sh- You can probably do both, but Alex recognizes that his arguments about his own shit fall apart

a little bit. If you're like, oh, you're- you've done a bunch of drugs. It is it is weird It is weird that if you say it's a dream or if you say you did drugs People immediately go, ah, I'm gonna ignore that But if you just say that, no, it really happened people a lot of people go whoa Mm-hmm or it was a vision. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can't just if nobody ever just goes oh well see here's the other scenarios where people say this go fuck yourself I want to I want to quickly clarify what I'm saying too really quick about about this I don't think that

Alex having done acid makes him any less credible or or whatever I don't believe that but I believe that in Alex's head, he projects that onto other people that they would not take him seriously if they knew he did hallucinogens in his past. Totally. And I think correctly. Well, not onto us. Yeah, but maybe somebody people. Correctly on the greater whole.

Meanwhile, he's on his show talking about doing crack on a beach. He did heroin once. I know. Those are, but those are gentile drugs. And he did hash. We learn now. are Gentile drugs. And you did hash. We learn now. He didn't do hash. He did hash.

There's nobody but hash. I drank meat. What are you talking about, hash? Jesus Christ. So there's a new death. New death just dropped? Relatively. Been lawdent's dead.

Oh, okay. And an Alex doesn't believe that shit. Uh-oh. And he references a very credible source. Okay. And Alex doesn't believe that shit. Uh-oh. And he references a very credible source. Okay. Well, let me understand something. Do you think Osama bin Laden was killed during the, you know, during the...

When we found out, yeah. When he got, well, you think he's alive. Well, here's the issue. See, let me just go back for a moment. Do you really not believe they killed him? Let me just break this down. But okay, I said day one with Dr. Steve Puccini who was the former head of the State Department and CIA psychological operations. He's the guy that got the Ann Worsah dot deal of camp David. He's the guy killed Eatsock Rabin. He's got a co-wrote Tom Tansy's book. So, okay, he killed Elder Morrow. He's pretty He's pretty much the one he did do.

I just want to go on record to say, I think Osama right now is being eaten by gay fish and suicidal shrimp. I think he's in that water right now. He's eating the bisexual shrimp. I believe a guy's sucking his dick right now. But go ahead, Alex. You, you.

Hey, hey, have you guys searched engine the suicidal shrimp? The final amount lying? No, I haven't done it yet. Not yet. We're going to go home. I'm treadmill. Did you just say that?

I'm treadmill. Benji, what should say about suicide or shrimp? Yeah. No, I looked it up. It's he talked about. Now their intention might not be suicide, but like he said, they swim. They go out of their minds when they swim to where they

were protected. Right. Right. There you go. There you go. There you go. So yeah, Alex is a Steve Pachanik most reliable source super credible guy

willing to drop his name on on Howard Stern's show to impress him a little bit not so not so much these days. I Think outside like pure alien wise the sheer like pure alien wise. The sheer weirdness of the diversity of places that Steve Paginik seems to pop up, maddening. Yeah, absolute insanity. I do have something of a belief that he might be underneath the surface,

one of the more influential people in... Something, he's caused a lot of damage for someone who's not a household name. beneath the surface, one of the more influential people in... Something... He's caused a lot of damage for someone who's not a household name. Whip, whew! Something... Yeah, by virtue of a lot of the things that he was instrumental in pushing through Alex, yeah.

It's... He's a major part of Alex adopting Trump. Sure. He's a major part of Alex adopting Trump. Sure. He's a major part of Alex's belief in false flags, particularly in the case of like Sandy Hook. Yep. He is somebody who, I don't know what the reality of any connection is,

but he was preaching basically what QAnon is before QAnon existed. Yep. Um, he's a guy. There's a-there's a forest bump. There's some shit. There's a forest bump element, but if like, if, you know, every time-every scene where forest bump shows up in a historical thing and everybody's like, oh, he's there, instead

of Steve Pachanik is like kicking somebody in the shin and then it sets off a weird domino effect. Like, it's not like, oh, he's whispering in the ears of important people. It is literally, he kicks a guy in the shin and then the, uh, if Ruben Goldberg machine kick that pops off and then all the borrows dead. Steve has a resume that is fraudulent, but it is full of ways in which he has been incredibly influential and the most important person in the world. Yes. And the truth is, he has been really influential, just not in the ways that his resume would

say. I've fucked with Alex to the point where I have really just destroyed minds Of tons of his audience. And I would be more proud of his actual CV than his fake one. His fake one is clearly like the CV CV. Yeah, I like it. Thanks. But I mean, the real one is obviously like,

that's too much. You're too busy. You know what that CV says? It says you neglected your wife. But he would not be able to pull off the things that are in his real CV if it weren't for the fake things in his fake CV. Well, that's one part of it. No one would take him as seriously if like he didn't have, I took down the Soviet Union single handedly in his resume. Sure, but I mean, one part of his resume is great resume writer.

That is true. That is true. So Alex explains his conspiracy surrounding Ben Laden. And I think that, I don't know, this isn't well articulated. Well, Ben Laden, is he being eaten by gay shrimp or not? Let me listen, here's the deal. Dr. Steve Puccini said on 2002 on my show, and he's a doctor. It's a doctor. Medical doctor, not just psychiatrist. He said that been

lot and died of kidney failure and where he died. And even CBS News reported he was at the American hospital and Dubai, dying in 2002. This is what's insane. But that he would be rolled out later, my push, but see Walter Cronkite came out. I am Madeline O'Brien came out in 2004 during the election Bush's re-election and so did Kerry's wife Hines, Kerry they all cannot look this up folks and say I can't believe this. Listen I swear

to God because those of you who have made it up. Just wrap it up. I got to hear what you got to say. Go ahead. Let me just give you sources. So your listeners are the sitting crap. Okay. They all came out and said,

Dr. Patenic's right. Then Lawden has been frozen. They did not say over Air Force base. And they're going to roll out. I'm not. This I'm sure I'm not laughing because I just felt they're going to roll out his. I don't wait for the driving slide in there with you.

Don't worry. I just don't believe his death now meant anything But listen here's what I'm saying because Walter Krunkai and and the former Secretary of State Madeline Albright came out and said Bush don't bring out his body to get reelected They couldn't do it so they kept him frozen and then they had the Navy Seals go to a house to get the thought out dead body And then they blew up the Navy SEALS when they got on the helicopter So that it wouldn't actually get out and then two weeks later I talked to one of the Navy SEALS whose buddy died in silting six here in Austin

I talked to them remember 23 of them blew up on the helicopter in Afghanistan They then blew up the guys so they couldn't tell the truth and now it turns out no one saw the body thrown off the aircraft was going to all this trouble and how everybody on the aircraft area and how are they and what about this guy who's in the military who just said he's the guy who put the bullet in bin Laden's head and he's saying that he can't even get any kind of help in terms of you know assistance or money from the government he can't find a job I mean he seems pretty legitimate he put a whole part of the sire up so it's believable so you feel sorry for him. Ah, it's all part of a shy-up to make us feel sorry for him,

so it's believable. That tracks. Yeah, so they had it been not frozen, right? So hold on. Hold on. Okay. Let me say my piece. I'm hell, I've been held on.

Cronkite. Yeah. Yep. Theresa Hines carried. Sure. Naturally. Margaret Thatcher. But I mean, no. All right. All right. Sorry. Excuse me. I think that Thatcher's dead by this point. Maybe. Maybe she's frozen. Could me. That's what I that's where my problem started. Right. Yeah. So they all say, Hey, man, Pichandix, right? Don't bring out Bin Laden's dead body to help you get reelected. It was a very weird thing for them to say to Bush through the news.

Yeah, I mean, we've, we've got to send a letter. We've seen a little bit of what this is based on already in a 2004 episode. It's all nonsense. Yeah, but it's a very interesting, like compelling kind of conspiracy if you don't have any basis for understanding of what Alex is talking about. Right, right. This is all just being like spat at you wholesale.

Like, why would he, why would he say all this stuff? If he does, it's not real. Like, seems to have so many specifics and so many details. Teresa Heinz, Kerry told Push not to do it. So then, so then they had it frozen. They put him in that house, thought him out. Then the Marines came, seal team six blew out the helicopter. Had to kill all of the elite seal team in order to make sure

that they didn't talk about how they just went to get a frozen body. Sure. Alex knows this from talking to somebody who I assume is Tonto. Tonto is Toronto. Something something along those lines. Here's my problem. Oh, all right. How could you have a problem? Once you now the rest of his makes sense. Okay. Once you this is the only problem I have everything else makes perfect sense. Once you've got Osama bin Laden frozen. Yeah. All right. You're keeping him someplace. Now I cannot help but think that if you've already got an Osama bin Laden frozen,

you've got a frozen people playbook, which means you've done this before, which means I wonder who else is in that frozen meat locker? And then I think to myself, once you've got two or three plus famous people, frozen corpses in your meat locker, right? It may be one another one. Maybe you start collecting frozen famous people now. Let me let me flip this on Okay, what if it is the first time

What if yeah, Ben Lawden died and someone's like I might be able to use this We could freeze this asshole real quick. Right. This could be useful what if it was a week under Bernies, but in reverse, wherein he was protected. No, no, no, that's weekend of Bernies too. No, he was pretending to be dead and had people act like he was dead, making him pretend to be alive while he was, yeah, no, he was frozen. Yeah Freezing is really a difficult thing to get around. Yeah, so he was frozen for like a decade then basically right?

How long can you freeze a person for ask Walt Disney? That's what I want to know. I don't know exactly What kind of freezing are we doing do we have are we talking full cryogenic freezing? I think This is just my assessment. Sure. If this is true, if, if, big if, big if, if you're keeping bin Laden frozen for a decade. Sure. That's gonna be, someone's gonna talk. There's a number of people who are going to need to be involved in terms of maintaining the cryogenic pod or whatever the fact.

It would be, there would be a number of people involved in this. I find it difficult to believe that there wouldn't be like some kind of talking, but then again, you talk, you get frozen. See, well, now I get what you're saying there. Here's why, here's what I would would here's my Way that this breaks down there one the smart thing you do if you've got Osama been lot in frozen Keep them in a place hide him forced for the trees kind of thing, you know very small very middle of nowhere Hide him out, you know Looking for yeah, who's the house that he was in it was probably a cryo facility might as well put it there right

Problem is you got at least one person in there every now and again checking to see if the power is on sooner later They are out on a date going a little bit hard Suddenly the only interesting thing they've got is like you want to see Osama? Yeah, yeah Yeah, and then all the frozen terrorists Do you want to see a frozen terrorists and then the whole thing falls apart? Look? I just don't have any game You want to see a frozen terrace and then the whole thing falls apart. Look, I just don't have any game. I can't.

It's a good place, ladies and dates. That's why conspiracies never work. Right. A lack of games. Someone's too thirsty and is bombing on a date. And I think, you know, if we think too hard on it, that might come up more true than I do. I want.

So the topic of abortion comes up. Mm-hmm. And this is just kind of incoherent. Yeah. Are you for abortion? I'm for it. I mean, there's so many unwanted children in the way. I know you were crying yet the night about children. And then you were worried.

What was that? And what was that, by the way? But what happened to those children? But seriously, Alex, what are we talking about? Who was crying for children? You. Oh, yeah. I heard a tape. We played a tape of you crying over children? You. Oh, yeah. I heard you say it.

We played a tape of you crying over some children. I don't know what the hell was going on. I have actually cried for real sometimes. But listen, here's the issue. On the issue of gay marriage, it should be a state issue. As Ron Paul has said, in the state shouldn't even be involved, period. And on the issue of abortion, they carry out

abortion for population reduction. And again, I'm going to say a Margaret Stanger, you can pull up her writings, university writings, scans the letters in the National Archive, where she said, we're going to pose as liberals so that blacks trust us. We're going to hire black doctors and preachers to sell them on a welfare state, to take over the black community and break up their families so we can abort them. And they abort fully 52% of blacks since Roe v. Wade in this country. So again, again, we're talking about blacks. So you're against abortion or you're for it? I'm stating, I'm asking people, okay, I can

hear the argument of all it's a woman's writer, she got raped or whatever, first time asked her, I've said there's too many people on the planet who are unwanted and un-larking because because those are humans and they're even abhoring people howard up to up to nine months babies nine years I'm for nine years I gotta take so many unloved unwanted children and by the way most people who are for you know the abolition of abortion they don't give to charity and they don't sit and take these and adopting these and i don't know you just want more children it's a tonight and i thought we have to

get here who's taking care of the job the atrix last year called for killing kids up to age three thank you thank you and you know that i'm not going to do it we have to be a people that. No, I'm for abortion. I'm not for three. I was being killed. I'm for abortion. So you see, there's an interesting way that Alex is trying to dodge the question of like his supportive abortion or, you know, obviously

opposition in this case. And Howard keeps interjecting things that kind of force him to say, I'm against it. Yeah. You know, he's trying to up-escape and dodge around. I can see these arguments for about Abba. And because of the way that Howard interviews, it forces Alex to just directly say, I'm opposed to this. Yeah, I mean, there is an element of anybody else saying

and talking to Alex this way would have seen a blowup, would have seen a storm out, would have seen any number of reactions. But the only reason that Howard can get away with this is because Alex is a starfucker. And Howard's a star. He's desperate for Howard to see him as cool. That's what it, yeah, exactly.

It is, it is. That's why he's fine talking about how like he was fucking as a kid and stuff because he knows that'll impress Howard Howard's a really sexual dude and so like him being like a I fucked hot uh 15 year olds when I was 12 like that's going to impress Howard and so he's fine with that. All right so here's the strategy for dealing with Alex and his ilk all right shock jox we need to get famous people To bully him. Yeah, I'm I mean, let's throw this out there all right, it has to be the right kind of famous person Chris Hems yeah, it's not gonna be a Chris Hemsworth. No, who's it got to be asked me someone like Rogan honestly? Yeah It is gonna have to be somebody like Rogan. Yeah, Rogan's perfectly situated actually to be that.

It's cleanest with still alive. He's frozen. I have no idea. I bet he could bully Alex. This could be a Mandela effect. Yeah, yeah, we need to figure out. He might have died 10 years ago, or he's still alive. Yes.

No idea. These are very possible things. You might have won an Oscar last year. I have no idea. It was so very possible. So Alex get there's a couple things like he just seems refusing to answer. One was that acid thing. Sure. Another question that comes up in a clip that I didn't include was whether or not he's had sex with a black woman before. Sure. Seems to not want to answer that question. That's such a very strange question to not one at. It's a weird question

to ask. And it's a strange question. It it's a weird question to ask and it's a strange question No, it's not a weird question to ask in Howard's No, in Howard's world. Yeah, yeah, that's that's very well within the topics of conversation that come up on this shock jock Yeah, shit, so Whatever the case is whatever's behind that he also doesn't want to really talk about aliens Sure, we have this guy Riley on it. He believes in aliens. Do you believe in aliens? Do you believe that there is life on other planets?

How would I need a raise? I can't do this for a long time. What does he just do? He just let me put them. I can actually imitate a good-nighter one. Oh, look at how he has. A bloody second, Alex. It's so easy.

Do you believe in aliens? Do you believe alien life forms were here? When I left you, I was with the learner. Now I am the master. I take a fear. Hey, was your father? Is your father a dentist conflict? Yes, he is. Is he proud of what you're doing or does history said you're right about a lot of this but our government's not that bad and it's gonna be okay things will work out that was him seventeen years ago now what is like oh my god it's all real it's horrible and what's really got him free less trusting now but i was are you really getting anything done i just want to listen to me not have all the answers i just want to get people thinking

yeah man i'm just a conversation starter. So that doesn't sound anything like his dad based on his other tellings of the story of his day. The smartest boy in Texas running away from the out of control, evil government, then gets to around mid-30s and he's like, eh, they're fine. Everything's pretty great. Everybody, you know what? I have a lot of faith. I trust this. Yeah. Our government is going to be pretty good. Sure. And then he gets radicalized by his crazy

mid-60s everybody's gonna die. Yep. Okay. I don't believe any of this no But you see there's such an interesting dynamic that's going on in that clip And that is that Howard's asking this question that Alex doesn't want to answer and so Alex starts deflecting Which doing these voices sure doing Darth Vader, James Earl Jones shit. So then Howard recognizes that and asks him an incredibly confrontational question, which is, is your dad proud of you. That is such an interesting roller coaster

of how this interview is playing out. Like I get the sense that Howard is probably not super thrilled with the way that Alex is deflecting from the question and he's trying to jostle him back into the interview from the weird voices and shit. He's trying to take away that performance element that Alex is doing in order to take over the interview. Right, right.

Power struggle shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I kind of got more of the vibe from Alex that he just really wanted to do something good. You know, he wanted to struggle shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I kind of got more of the vibe from Alex that he just really wanted to do something good. You know, he wanted to show off his little, and he's got a good vibe. There might be some voice, voice bookers who are listening. I do, for all the deflecting that he was doing

in the earlier questions. And I do think that he was deflecting to do this. In this case, I truly believe that the inspiration for it is, God, I wanna show off my James Earl Jones voice, and I'll tell you why I believe that. I know that feeling, man. I know that feeling. I think it can be both.

That's what I'm saying. It is deflecting. Yeah. But the heart of it is I want somebody to tell me I'm a good boy. Deflecting, but it's also, this is an opportunity. I've got a time, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. So Alex is dad, the characterizing that last clip a little bit weirdly. Yeah. In ways that I don't think match up with other

stories that he's told of his dad. Totally. And so this also does not match with the characterization that we know of Alex's dad's role in his career. Yeah. That was working my way through school in college. What didn't get a lot of help from my parents is someone to work on my own. What is it? Dentist? They didn't help you out for college. You helped me out a little bit, but not many.

What is up with that? That's how it's a solution. I went into sales right away at high school. See, I mean, I was making good grades in college, but I was successful because I was put the old man could have helped you. You know, he's got a, he's got a, and he was and he was only going to community college yeah I mean it's not that expensive I mean did my dad did my name a green Mustang on graduation he did all right well that's more important well that's something and he also bought an ad on your radio show that was what got you a radio show

yep gentle practice bought a advertising time to justify you having a show. Like this is ridiculous. Yeah. I was all made mad. I didn't do shit. Every time I have heard a self-made man story, every single one of them. Boy. But that's because they're kind of born, the self-made man story is born because of its non-existence, you know. Like the fact that you have to justify living in a place where you're so much more successful than other people, you can't just be like, well, this is the vagaries of life. You have to be like, I've earned this behavior.

Otherwise, I have to accept that I'm not really, there's no difference between me and everybody else. And this is all random, you know? Sure. So it's better to have the Bootstrap story than be like, everything is chaos. Nothing matters. Everybody's going to go insane every moment now, you know?

I'd like to see you and Howard discuss that. I think I just, I find it fascinating the, the way that everything is so different with this family now. Yeah. Or in just different environments. Like on his show, he would talk about how like his family is in all these high level intelligence shit and they told him that the globalist are the bad news, man.

They're bad news. My uncle was involved in a wrong contra. And like, where's all this stuff in this interview? Furthermore, isn't that a sort of, isn't that a sort of help from your family? You know, getting so much of this information is totally through, well, yeah, it's true, obviously. Obviously, in universe, it's a good job.

Yeah, yeah. In universe is a good way of putting it. Yeah, so throughout this interview, I think Howard's been humoring Alex quite a bit. Yeah, but I really get the sense that he's just, just thinks that this is entertainment. One concern I have is when people just stir and stir and stir controversy it really doesn't do anything and if you really are

serious about this stuff you have to do something about it but he's doing a radio show he's got a key so you believe he's just entertaining i believe Alex believes what he believes in but i think he also has the pressure of being an entertainer. And he asked to keep coming up with this. That's not my point. If it's true what he's saying, he's entertaining. How would anyone know what's true? But what?

How did you say it about? He claims he claims that he's researching. Yeah. Well, you know what? Whatever. Alex, let's take a couple of phone calls. Sure. I love that to his face.

Yeah. To his face is great. He claims he's researching. calls. Sure. I love that to his face. Yeah. To his face is great. Hey, Clayton, see the research and show whatever. I like that. Yeah, I like a lot. I would like that opportunity. And they were referring to him as he and talking about who I'm going to be there.

To his face. Yeah. While he's there. I think he's an entertainer and he just has to come up with stuff to be in with. And he's got the, he's got the, Hey, Robin, aside, while you're at persons there, this is the fucking radio. Yeah. I think he's a showman just trying to fuck with

people. Yeah, I mean, it's better than saying he's a fat, like, piece of shit. Yeah. But I think at this point too, there was not nearly the awareness of the, uh, the damages, the danger that someone like Alex poses. Sure. So there is, um, uh, a freedom that Howard feels and being able to just engaging with this is like, ah, he's a fucking, he's a joke weirdo, saying all this nonsense on the radio for entertainment. And I, I'm amused by it. Yeah. I enjoy watching him dance for me. Yeah. That is pretty much it. I don't, I don't think there's any way that Howard Stern is going to be taken in by Alex Jones. I think his instincts are a little sharper.

I think I don't think you get to where Howard is the way you do without being able to read through some bullshit. Oh my God, tell me all about this Dr. Steve Chad.am. Yeah. Oh, yeah. He climbs these research again. Whatever. Whatever. Fuck off. And I think that part of that is the show is instincts that Howard has. That's like, you can tell that Alex is putting on a show. He's seen enough of Alex's clips and things

to have an awareness of, like they were talking about earlier, like him crying. Yeah. And so like, he's seen these things and he knows like all right This guy's yeah, no this guy's putting on an act Howard somebody who's negotiated some of his own contracts Yeah, he's seen through bullshit and part of the bullshit that he's seeing through is that Alex has done all this research Yeah, totally yeah, I find that interesting so they play that clip of Alex crying

Yeah, of course see what his thoughts are about it. I hear you here. This is you crying, Alex. Here you go. And then last night God just showed me so much and I couldn't even talk and I do not even feel worthy to be here bringing you this information. And I it just absolutely brought me to a place I've never been to you know what God just really says you want to see the evil here it is feel it and to feel what the children are feeling God oh Alex performance or real crime totally real

listen yeah here comes the vision. My head is to myself. Yeah, I mean, how have you ever had a vision? Yes. Now, visions all involved a threesome. Wait a minute, wait a minute, you have visions all the time. What is your vision, Alex? What's the last one you had? Well, I mean, no, what is a vision? No, just incredible. I don't say that times a hundred where you have amazing understanding and but also things open up and it's called discernment. And then you when you can actually study history and evil and also look into the spirit of evil and

then look into what the spirit of evil is doing. That is a vision and an understanding of the of the globalists and the snuff. That happened to be on Iowaska. That's right that happened to robbing to take i don't need to take ayahuasca to go to that place but go ahead i got to tell you i'll like to learn a lot this morning i do have to wrap things up because you know we do take breaks but i got to tell you do you go to one of those big mega churches no no i don't go to church where do you don't go to establishment bs establishment b i go to white identity preacher identity preacher text Mars is place and hang out with him while you talk about how

Evil the Jews are and how minorities are ruining America. That's my religion. Yeah Fuck it asshole. Yeah, what was it? Wherever two or more of you gather in my name to shit all over non-white people So I am there. I'll see you there, Tex. Yeah. So I feel no better in terms of my awareness of what his visions are from that.

It seemed like just a bunch of words being rattled off. Comedically. I appreciate it good. While the crying is still going on in the background. I like it good totally real immediately followed by That was the fakes possible crying sound totally real the whole thing totally really after totally real totally real at that point You're like maybe he's building up to something and then the first sob goes Yep, I Pray that I never find myself in a situation where someone plays a video of

me crying and has to ask real or fake. Is this an actor? Is this real? Because I think I would have made a couple of mistakes a lot the way to get to that part. I mean, you know, like, I guess if I was acting, and they were like, oh, is that fake? That's about as close as it gets. But even then, so is Alex, which is the problem. Totally different conversation. If you are in the Avengers Endgame or something and you have a crying scene, which I assume they did

because a lot of people died, right? Do they cry in the Avengers? I feel like somebody must have. Yeah, probably. So you ask the actor, real tears, but fake. Right. Do you get eye drops? Right.

Fine conversation. Yeah. Alex, you're crying about the children on air. Where on the level of fake tear are we? Are we, are we at like, What tear? Are we at like saline solution fake tears? Are we at Alex Jones complaining about

What happens to children fake tears? I'm based on what he described his visions as it seems like that could just be like you read something in a book And then you had a thought about it. Yeah, that's not a vision I mean is it possible is it possible that Alex Jones only Infrequently experiences the idea of images within your mind in response to a stimulus. You know, like when he reads, he doesn't imagine what is going on in the book, he's just reading. I find that difficult because he imagines so much else.

The imagines. That's a good point. Detectives trying to murder him when he goes to New York. That is a good point. Hmm. Anyway, we have one last clip. Okay. And Alex talks about his anti-vax conspiracy.

Sure. And boy, it's different in 2013. Oh, God. I'm just saying one showing point as we leave here. In literally hundreds of white papers by MIT and others, and you want this, I'll send it to you. I'm not kidding. What they said they're going to do is they're

going to end vaccines inject us with what they call an anti-stress or anti-drug use vaccine. But they're not going to tell you. And if you look to something, they go, a new vaccine, this is three years ago, is going to cure, this is where it's all going, is going to cure stress, but they're not really vaccines. They're genetically engineered nanotech viruses that go in and eat selective ganglia and neuron clusters in the cerebral cortex and other areas which are a selective lobotomy where you will be a biological android and we have evidence that are already

testing this on the military and others so soon if we don't turn this around the plan you're hearing the ultimate secret here is to add to flu vaccines other things. Did you take the flu vaccine? Absolutely not. You would never take it. No, do you get your kids vaccinated? No, never. No vaccines whatsoever. And then for spreading the flu, it actually doubles your chances of getting the flu to get the flu vaccine. Did you get your kids the polio vaccine? None of it. None. So I don't think they just put that in the COVID vaccine. Right, I mean, like he said,

they're gonna add it to the flu vaccine. So why did he just drop this entire threat? This is supposed to be the big plan. This is what the globalists are up to a decade ago. They just drop this? Yeah. I guess they did. I guess Alex just got lost as interest in this conspiracy

or maybe it was more profitable to go other directions. A hashtag Alex Jones was forgot. Yeah. Alex Jones lost the thread. Yeah, I just find that to be, I just annoying. It is, it is. There's no reason, there's no reason to, like, and it's so weird to listen to it

through Howard Stern and his reactions to it as well, is it cause it does make sense, where we are with all of the, that we've done in the past six years, it does make sense to go back, listen to this and go, oh, all you do need to do is go, look at this asshole and then walk away, you know, he's a crazy Listen to this shit. Listen to this shit. Yeah robins listen to this shit, you know, she's like fuck this shit, you know

but But he's so much worse that how do we how is it possible that that is oh? Yeah, so fucking weird well I think a little lantern fish with the little thing that sticks up and that's what the rest of us see. I think that if Alex had gone on Stern more regularly and been exposed more to Stern's variety of questioning, I think it would have penetrated some holes in him in his presentation. More than question or the view or anything lies on his presentation. More than Quasadurgan or the viewer, anything laws and laws?

Yeah, questions like these tears, this real or performance. Yeah, lines like, yeah, whatever. To the idea of him in researching. Sure. I think that Stern would be able to puncture some of Alex's illusion. And instead, he went on places regularly

like coast to coast AM. Yep. Where his bullshit was amplified and people like George Norrie just like, it's all legs. Like that kind of level of interviewing. And I think that that did a disservice. And you know, really, I don't know, you could have, you could have stigmatized Alex a little more

if she was on Stern more. Sure. I think. Totally. Well, that's kind of part of why I mean that little lantern fish ideas, like all that popped up into the consciousness was that tiny little, oh look, it's a cute little, oh wow, that's fun.

And it would have been so easy for just by accident too much to appear and then everybody goes, ah, and that's the end for him, you know. And it just didn't happen. And it's a complicated thing too because I think that you do have an element of humanizing Alex and like softening his image

right away of an interview like this. Like, you know, Sternis being like, he's fun. He's, you know, he's interesting. Sure. But I think that when it's in an environment like Rogan, he is inept at pushing back on the things that Alex says. Yeah. Whereas Stern is more willing to push back.

You know, you even hear it in the last clip. He's pushing back about the vaccines. Yeah. He won't even get your kids vaccinated for polio. Yeah. Like, isn't that ridiculous? Isn't that an inappropriate thing to do? And Stern is willing to like stand by his positions

that are different than Alex, that like abortion is right. People should have access to abortion. He believes in gay marriage. You know, these are things that Alex wouldn't be able to walk over him on. No. Whereas with Rogan, he has no spine. Man, that is so weird. It is real weird to stop and think about all the people

that have come close to Alex and then be like, you know, not many had spines. Howard Stern won. Everybody you would expect zero. I mean, unfortunately. I think Stern sucks in a lot of other ways. Yeah, I think the show is often very difficult to listen to for the constant talk over each other in this of it. I've found it boring, but yeah, in terms of an interview style that counters Alex pretty decently. I think I think this is one of them. Yeah. And like we've already mentioned, I think part of it also relies heavily on the ideal,

the hero worshipping of Stern that Alex clearly has done as a younger man. Right. So, I don't know. I don't know if this is helpful at all, but I thought it was interesting, the glimpse of this. I particularly think the way that Alex is characterizing

as dad being so completely off the mark from other places where he talks about him, that's fun. Yeah, the fantasies of Mike Bloomberg trying to kill him and then I'm being like, I overblued it. Man, that didn't happen. I made that up in my mind. I made it up. Yeah.

Oh, by the way, won't get vaccinated. Right. Well, because he makes you more likely. Exactly. Right. I know that because i had the flu right what i imagine i would have double flu i would have seen so many of bloomberg's ages too many too many so um we'll be back maybe Alex will be back in studio who knows maybe i'll find something in two thousand four worth

discussing could be who knows um but uh for now uh we have a website. Indeed we do, it's not all try.com. And Alex Jones is an idiot. And Alex Jones is an idiot.com. And we're also on Twitter. And we are on Twitter, it's at an Allegendah score fight. Yep, we'll be back. And we've got a sub stack.

There's a link on the Alex Jones video. I know, I know. I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. Eventually one day your grandchildren will look upon this spot. And there might be a bit here, but for now Your progeny will have to tell you through

Ethereal connections that we have with our ancestors once you are long dead and gone whether or not a bit We'll fill this space for now. There is nothing whether or not a bit will fill this space for now there is nothing. Woo yeah, woo yeah, woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the earth thanks for holding. So Alex, I'm the first time I've called him a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.