Knowledge Fight - #868: March 22, 2004

Episode Date: November 8, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan dip back into the past to learn about the time that Alex got invited to give a speech at an anti-war rally featuring appearances by Ralph Nader and a really obnoxious leftist banjo player.

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you know, they have that phenomenon where there's things that are available and then they aren't available. Yes. It can be infuriating, but it can also be pretty wonderful because we're in it. Limited time only type stuff. But they're never called that. No.

It's not like a seasonal thing. It's just a product is here and then we fucking ran out and that it'll never be here again. I like that. It's chaotic. Yeah. It's just a product is here and then we fucking ran out and that will never be here again. I like that. It's chaotic. Yeah. It's madness over there. It's a free-for-all at the Aldi. Yeah. Yeah. There's a certain farmer's market element that the Aldi still maintains. Yes. Yes. Yes. Definitely. It's farmed to table. Well, it's something. So I had brought up that there's a habanero cheese that I really liked. It's better than a pepper jack or a habanero jack. Yes, you brought it up with us on the show, not with Aldi.

You're not supposed to email to Aldi. It was a sliced sandwich kind of habanero cheese. And I've not been able to find it. It's not been back, poking around the cheese section. I find snacking cheese habanero jack. That's right. It's like find snacking cheese, habanero jack. That's right. So I got cheese sticks that are habanero jack. So I'm thrilled about that.

I don't know if they've been there all along, but they might have made by the same people. I don't think so. It looks like it's different packaging. Absolute chaos. Absolute chaos. I don't know if they've been there all along and I just wasn't looking for them

because I don't usually look for snacking cheese. That's not something that I have my eye out for. Right. Right. Right. And I don't know how long they'll be there. So I'm trying to take advantage of it and and appreciate it. Well, it's there. Yeah, that is that is the thing about all the inscarsity though is that there is a part of you that's like, okay, if I'm going to buy one of these, which I want or do I need to buy 10 in case I want one later? You know, I bought two bags. See, that's what I'm saying.

It's just how it works. It's just in case. It's just in case. And you can't have too much habanero cheese in the house. I don't think that's true, but I will go with that. I've been munching on it. Okay. So yeah, I'm excited to see, I'll keep it one updated

to see when we run out of that at the store and if I have bought it all I would like a running maybe that's your that's your new Year of the Seltzer is just a tally of when things disappear at the Aldi shop and I think I don't have to spend too much time there get binoculars. Yeah, that's That would be fun. I don't think they'd appreciate it. That could be weird. So it's your bright spot My bright spot is my wife and I've been doing active stuff activities. If you are doing some of that, doing some bike riding. We're doing some bike riding.

No, the real kind. Okay. And the kind where you go to the third space and they've got a bike and it doesn't actually go anywhere, but you still ride it. Like a gym? Yeah, yeah, a gym, that's what it's called. Okay, yeah, yeah. You should bring your VR headset to ride the bike, the gym. I bet that would be cool.

I bet it would. I bet it would. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing, the hard part of having a VR headset, all of a sudden you're like, what if I just did this with a VR headset? Right. That is diminishing returns.

Taking a bath in a VR setting. Can pretend it's like a volcano. You can pretend you're in like a little volcano pool. Sure. You're sure with electric devices on your brain. But it's not going to go in the path. You can you can keep it separated, right? I have a tremor, so maybe not. Maybe you should just keep this for Devon. She can do it. I don't do fine motor skills and I don't get into places where I might get electric. All right, fine, no bath.

Okay, the bike would be good. Bike is good. Uh-huh. What else? I guess anything that requires movement is bad. Yeah, yeah. So my jogging is no good. My immediate next thought was like,

oh, I should take it for a walk. And then I was like, nope, there's a reason that we do not do that, Jordan. No, you keep that with augmented reality like Pokemon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but not V. I know that you say, stay in one place. That's the idea, traveling without moving as a gemeraquai once foretold. It was virtually insane. It's a good joke. Cool people. Um, what else could you do? You could sit on the couch, obviously. Obviously.

Obviously. You probably were thinking of other places in the home. Right. You sit. Oh, you could sit on like a porch or something. Oh, that's a good point. You could sit outside. Because then you could protect you

of a much better view than you do. Yeah, that's a good point. You could pretend you have a much better view than you do. That's really good idea. Because then you could actually feel the breeze and stuff and you could pretend that you're along a canal and Venice or something. I think the the only problem I have a lot of stone, a lot of brickwork, a lot of not a lot of comforting places if I should run into something. Well, that's why you stay stationary. Well, I mean, that's the trouble. Right.

I think we've come back to this repeatedly. That is the trouble. That is the trouble. Is it not? Yeah, the trouble it is. I'm sorry. I hijacked this. You all been being active.

No, yeah, yeah, that's it. It's just good. It's good. It's a good idea. Moving on. Going to the gym. You know what? I was actually the reason that it's a bright spot really.

It's like my shoulder and my knee are such garbage. And so I was doing a lot of activity. And then it got to the point now where it's like, if they get so sore and so terrible that I wouldn't be able to do anything. But with this, like, I realized that what I should be doing is just a little bit more, more regularly. Sure.

Instead of being like, well, going to do another hour and 20, you know, like that's done. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Slow or like lesser, but more that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. And you got to be thankful in a situation where your shoulders and knees are bad, that your head and your toes are okay. Head shoulders, knees toes. Right. Yeah. Those are the four body parts. The toes in the head, great. Mm-hmm. Yep. It's the middle bits. Whoo. Significantly more space though. It is tough. Yeah. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about March 22nd, 2004. Ooh, interesting. Going back to the past. I found I found something just too late. Just too late. Just too late.

To spare us from the episode by now. Oh, damn. So now we're trying to make up for it by having a proper Alex episode here Also, it's come to my attention that I believe Jackson Hinkle is gonna be on Alex's show. What the fuck is that Jackson Hinkle? I'm jealous of you. He's one of these guys. Oh God, that's not how you should say. Would you describe him? What is it? I guess he kind of came up in a sort of, he's a streamer, I guess. Okay. I guess he did stream stuff.

Okay, okay. And he was kind of left, but a little aggressive maybe. All right, so he was one of those dudes. And now he's just gone full like, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right wing kind of dickhead. But he's part gone full like right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, wing, kind of dickhead. But he's part of this younger generation. I think Alex is trying to desperately appeal to them on his way out the door. I was, I was leaning towards the left. I was mostly on the left. But then somebody was like, hey, stop being mean to non-white people.

And I was like, well, I guess I have to be a full white nationalist now. Don't I? Well, and especially now that Alex has one guy in jail. And Harrison is moved. Sure. Somebody named Chase Geyser is hanging around. Chase Geyser. Why not fill out that bullpen with some other angry white dudes? Ah, boy.

So I don't know. They're, they're going to be doing something on Thursday. So we'll probably cover that on Monday. Maybe I don't know. Um, but for now, I, I, I saw Alex was, uh, recording a short video of himself in front of a wall. Oh, um, which might have also been in his backyard. I'm not sure. Sure. But you can have walls in your backyard. Yeah. So, um, Stephen Crowder put out pages from that, uh, that shooter, uh, that do you remember this? Yes, I actually read a little bit about that today that he had posted like pages of the Shooters Manifesto and everybody and this was like fucking March.

Wasn't it? The shooting itself, it was a way back. Yeah, it was a way back. And so the narrative in the right wing media was that this was a trans shooter that was upset about gender stuff. That's where we're at. And the man in the media and all that were suppressing this because they didn't want you to know that it was gender ideology to cause this shooting. I was wondering why Stephen Crowder had released it. And that's what I was hearing about. That's weird. Yeah. So that was the that was the obsession with, why won't you release this manifesto?

Right, gotcha. For a while. And then somehow I guess Stephen Crowder got a hold of a couple of pictures of pages from a notebook that this person had kept. Sure. And so Alex filmed a video of himself talking about how great this is.

Even though they've had to switch the narrative a little bit, because it's no longer like this person was mad about gender issues. Yeah. Seems like they were just kind of mad and suicidal and violent. Sure. And so, yeah, Alex was pretty excited about that. So we had to jump on camera and say, hey guys, think of me when you think of this.

How, I mean, boy, I feel like the more I'm thinking about this the more I'm thinking Crowder himself might wind up in jail based on this I mean, I wonder if you do that. I don't know if you can do that I wonder if it if there is like an inappropriate leak somewhere along the road But I don't think Crowder getting trouble for it. I think whoever gave it to him could probably Because I would assume it's unauthorized. Yeah And I don't know, I read over those pages that were released and I wonder if there are more, they weren't.

Sure. I don't know, it's hard to get a picture of any of this stuff. And I think we've talked in the past about how shooter manifestos are always a little bit iffy. Yeah, yeah. And I wouldn't even call what I saw a manifesto. It was sort of scribbling in a notebook. Yeah, okay.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, throw the word manifesto out a lot, at least, is. True. I don't like throwing around that word. And I think word. I did not even mean for this to be a topic we cover because I'm woefully unprepared to really fully discuss this. But I just bring it up because that's what got Alex

to film himself in front of a wall. Other than that, I don't know what he's up to. All right. But I do know what he's up to in the past. All right. And that's what we're going to be talking about here today. Okay. If we talk about March 22nd, 2004.

Sounds good. But before we do, Jordan, let's say hello to one technocrat. I think that's a great idea. So this person, I don't know who this is, but I'm worried about them, because I think they might actually know me because they're telling tales out of school about something that I don't think I've ever talked about. I'm not sure I've talked about on the podcast.

So it's, this is, we're in and I know what you did last summer scenario right now. I believe we may be. We are in the, okay. And so thank you so much to Dan Still puts catch up on Thanksgiving Thanksgiving turkey and I have proof you're now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk. For start, the home key of my mentality is brilliant. Someone, someone satanite sent me a book in a poop. Daddy Shark. Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little, little kitty baby.

I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes, thank you very much. I don't know who that is. It's humbling experience to see something like that come into your inbox. I wonder what the proof is.

Pictures of me eating turkey with ketchup perhaps. That is interesting. Um, I don't know. I do, I don't discount the possibility that I've brought it up at some point in the podcast and I've forgotten. I don't recall it, but that means very little. True, but it is something that I think most people would have a visceral memory to, because it seems gross to a lot of people.

At one of myself, it feels a little gross. Yeah, it's got one of those things where you know people would have like a wait. Everything doesn't pay but nothing matters until we get to the bottom of this ketchup on the turkey scenario. Well, I mean like what how's that any better than the gravy? Come on. Gravy's gross. I'm not waiting into this.

I feel like I just got I just got tricked into a bear knuckle boxing match about ketchup and turkey and sir. It ain't happening. Okay. I'll leave you out of it. Anyway, happy Thanksgiving That's the lesson here. Yes So Jordan today we're going over this episode. It's gonna be a brief episode because not a lot happens a lot of but something pretty important does okay It's something that I found like it was really a bummer that I listened to this stretch of aliexas show and i didn't there's nothing going on and then just past where i got to

uh... was this here is the beginning uh... where aliexas at uh... later in the show i want to tell you the ridiculous story of what happened when i went out to cropper texas there at the little local municipal part, to give a speech and to introduce Ralph Nader. And again, I'm not part of the Ralph Nader campaign. I know that the greens are like watermelons,

green on the outside, red on the inside. But he's speaking out again, I get it. And get 9-11, a lot of other things. And I was invited to give a speech to a whole bunch of people, and you know I'm not going to turn that down. I'll speak to the libertarians. I did it at the Distinguished Speaker Series yesterday.

That was a lot of fun. That was a great to see everybody out there at the University of Texas for that, and that packed meeting hall at the UT Union building. But I went out there and I gave a speech, but the annex of the leftists that were there. The intelligence community, that's the name of the group of endowlers that runs NATO's campaign and brought the intelligence to them. They're anti-new world order pro-gun. They were wearing pro-gun.

You know, my mass murderers agree gun control works, T-shirts. Just great people. They rented out the park they got the permit they brought Ralph Nader in and the local leftist said oh let us have some of the time You know we're gonna get the time before you and so they did and so they used Ralph Nader's people sound system everything and When they saw that I was there and to speak well, they tried to keep keep me from speaking beforehand and told me I wasn't welcome, even though the people that were with Nader had set it all up, I get there. And when this local UT professor sees me and he's up there speaking, he goes, Ralph Nader is the last speaker when he gets here.

And by the way, Ralph Nader was to be there on the time of the intelligence community group that had stepped that up. And when they, and when Nader got there, they literally had to have the police stand there and give the gun grabbing socialist the cue to get off the stage so I could introduce Ralph Nader. It was just something else. That is something else. That is one of the, yeah, I want to see that. I wanted to have been there for that.

I've seen pictures of it. I found pictures. Yeah. So, you know, there is this documented evidence of this. There is a moment. There's someone mistimed the picture. Oh, no. But it's when Alex and Nader are about to shake hands on stage,

like the welcoming stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's no contact. So in theory, Nader could have done the woo to show. Yeah, it's almost like a boxing promo poster. Mm-hmm. They're almost ready to punch, but not happening. Yeah, it's a lot of details that are a little bit mixed up and messy here from Alex's

telling the first is that the intelligence community doesn't run Nader's campaign. Someone from Nader's campaign is now a part of this group the intelligence community okay that are like sort of pseudo and archival libertarian type anti war okay but for sure the name is quote the intelligence community yes that was the part that could get me because I'm like I think it's a sort of satirical yeah yeah yeah make sense, but it's also a right. Yeah. It's pretty strange to see this like intersection, but at the same time, not too strange. Nader was always a bit on the outside in terms of being a candidate. Sure. He did go on

in full wars at a certain point. Sure. So like, you know, it's not, it's not the craziest thing. I mean, when you're, when you're where a native was, then you got nothing to lose. Yeah. So you might as well just go for it, you know, I would say that Alex is unsafe at any volume. Yeah. Yeah. I was able to find a review of this event from someone writing for a website called Cryptagon, and it does not

speak incredibly highly of Alex. And it should be said that this review was written by somebody who expresses an affinity for Alex and Info Wars, so it's not somebody who hates him. Wow. Here's how this person describes the performance. Okay. Quote, Alex was hamstrung by bad presentation technology, like a lion away from his domain. Once Alex is out of the studio, he goes a little crazy.

I'm going to need a call and an editor this one. More pontification, more yelling. I think the physical constraints of radio, timed presentations and video narration are positive for Alex. God say so. Wow. From seeing the speeches Alex has done in the past, I would tend to agree. He has a real difficult time staying on track. That's not different than how he is on the radio. It's just that in a live setting, he has a real difficult time staying on track. That's not different than how he is on the radio. It's just that in a live setting, he's competing for attention from a hundred different stimuli and you can feel an audience paying less attention

to you when you're on stage. Like whether it's actually happening or not, you viscerally can feel it, to feel like you need to compensate for it. It is an impossible thing to explain to people, but in the back of my neck, I can see somebody in a crowd starting to look over away from it.

Right. You know, just like it's there. I can sense it. Yeah. So I was able to find a bunch of articles about this. Yeah. This of that's absurd. And so I spent a great deal of time figuring out like, what the fuck is going on with

this? And apparently at this event, there was also some anti-new world-order type bands who used obscenity in their songs. And Alex also used the word bastard which got him in trouble with a family-friendly audience. I used bastard in that band! Oh yeah! Oh god, I don't even know anymore! There was a police person there who told him to stop cussing. Why are some things so thoroughly documented? I don't know. I mean, Crawford, Texas is where Bush's ranch is. Sure.

So the idea that there was this somewhat large anti-war demonstration happening. And it was on the global day of like there were protests all around the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and all around the world. And that's something that Alex does not bring up. Right. Is that this was part of like a much larger. It's all about Alex. Yeah.

So Ralph Nader was on tour through Texas. And he had an opening on that Saturday. Some anti-Arec war activists that set up this rally and Crawford. And Nader agreed to be a part of it, thus bringing him and Alex's worlds together. It seems kind of crazy, like I mentioned, but he was on Info Wars, I think in 2008, like in the next election cycle. So the two of them crossing paths is weird. And Alex is super clear that he's not endorsing Nader. No, no. And Nader wasn't even supposed to be there in this capacity as a candidate. You know, he wasn't supposed to be there doing any kind of electioneering or anything.

That's, see, that just has so much like a curbure enthusiasm written all over it. That is, that is the basis of an episode. Wait, I'm, wait, see? The plot gets better. This is what I'm saying, because here's where you work this into your curve episode. Okay, okay. So this was the wrong day to do this kind of an event in Crawford. There's only a population of 700 people there, and according to the Midland reporter

telegram, the city was doing a lot that day. Quote, Crawford also was hosting on Saturday a citywide garage sale, a rodeo, and the St. Paul Lutheran Church Cemetery Association's second annual chili and bean cook-off. So I was able to find an article where there was somebody who was talking about how he was just at the park for the chili cook off. It was frustrated by nature being there. And they were worried about it taking away from the the attendance at the chili cook off. The fucking parks department for 700 people is off the chain. That's too much that is so

Here do you support Nader's worth war? I don't know what it means The town well 30% of them are at the garage sale 30% of them are at the rodeo and then a bunch of more watching Nader scream. I don't know. What do you want? So there's also some problems with the Alex's version of this. So there was an event that was organized and planned by an anti-war group called the Crawford Peace House. There are long-standing entity that holds rallies and peace demonstrations and Crawford and around there and they have some connections to the NATO campaign. On their website there is also like NATO's groups of donated to them. So there is the connection there. This is a natures groups of donated to them. So there is there is the connection there.

This is a different connection that connection the Alex is group. The intelligence community has right. Right. Right. So there are connections on both fronts. Right. Right. Right. If you look at pictures from this event, you'll find that their URL is in the backdrop of the stage. The Crawford Peacehouse website is on there because that was their event that they had set up. Right. They organized a global day of action event which involved speakers from 1 to 2 PM, then a parade through Crawford, and then more speakers and entertainment from 3 to 5. Alex was set to speak at 7 because he was part of this offshoot after hours continuation

from that event, which was run by the group that he's talking about the intelligence community. So you had these two things that were happening at the same place. Okay. So which came first? I have to assume that the one from the Crawford Peacehouse. That's what I was thinking. Because I was able to find so much documentation of their event. There's a press release that they sent out.

There's articles. They built their own website for the March and event Like it was it was pretty well Established they also were the ones who were negotiating with the police for The then the permits and stuff was all through them. So Alex's conception of we had this thing already and then these dumb Socialist kids wanted to do an afternoon thing before us. That may be totally wrong. Yeah.

So, but also from the things that I was able to see and find, it does appear that the intelligence community was the reason that Nader ended up speaking. Right. But, he was also scheduled to speak with the group at the beginning. So what are you going to do? It's messy. What are you going to do? It is messy.

For what it's worth, I don't think Alex would have liked most of the speakers at the early day of that. I think he would have hated them. Yeah, probably. Like, Farid Farhaman, from the Iranians for Justice and Peace, or Margarita Alvarez, from United Voices for Immigration, would have hated these peace speakers. Yeah, those are green on the outside and red on the inside,

and say that. So what I can tell, I think what happened is that Nader was supposed to speak at the beginning one, the peace house, and the intelligence communities event. Two shows coming through Crawford that day. Right. It's my guess because the time that he's supposed to speak is posted for the Crawford Peacehouse people and that is not when he ended up speaking. Okay. So I believe what happened is he showed up late.

He got late. Yeah. And what ended up happening was that they used him as a bridge between the two events. Sure. So he spoke at the end at five o'clock at the end of the Crawford Peacehouse event and that led into the intelligence community event. Okay. And so because of this, Alex introduced him when he came up to stage. Right. That is, that's the best that I can tell from because there isn't there are articles about this. Yeah, but there's nobody like explaining what the fuck happened here. Why didn't it go exactly according to the schedule?

Right. Right. Gotcha. And stuff. Okay. So yeah. So Nader. Okay, now I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. So it's, you know, fun. So you had Alex introduces Nader at the five o'clock slot Nader gives his speech and then a ton of people leave right and then Alex is that to speak exactly. Yeah, very very obvious Alex is the headliner and now most of the people have left. Oh except for you know the sort of and now most of the people have left, except for, you know, the sort of, I describe them as pseudo anarchist types, but I'm not entirely sure if that's accurate. I'm projecting a little bit of my experience with anti-war demonstrations around this time. Like I know that there would be things in Columbia where, you know, the old hippies from the piece nook would put put together some event. And then when the sun starts setting, the fire dancers and maybe the people have some fringe ideas come

out. And they take over the same space because there's a captive audience. There's the time. Yeah. There's a time and a place for each. Right. And you know, maybe it's more fun for the youth, the night event and more fun for the family, the daytime event. Yeah. And so that's just that's the general vibe that I get. Right, right, right, the late shows rated are. Come on people. They take your family to their early show. Late shows rated are, let's go.

Move on. And I think that that was the effect that happened. It was a lot of people left. That sounds right. That was in some of the articles. Yeah. Most of the people that sounds right. Took off.

So Alex has some issues with the entertainment that happened there. Particularly one folk singer that he seems to be very focused on. Folk singer. I got video of all of this. About an hour before Nader got there, they had some local musician up there going, Mexico will take over America, America's evil. We will take the Southwest. We will bring I think we're getting a little... I mean, it was an incredible little song. And of course, a little cook or else... I'm preaching how bad America is.

And then I got the word that some people were angry because I was a white male who's the were just pulling their hair out. Oh, they're freaking out. Ah, but yeah, this, this musician sounds not good. I mean, that song doesn't sound great. That doesn't sound like a great song. There are some composition errors, I would say. Yeah, I write another review from a guy who's from the Republicans for peace, kind of group. Sure. And like, he had a really interesting perspective

because so many of these events that you go out to these anti-war demonstrations are very hostile towards the right wing and to Republicans because most of them are organized by, you know, aging hippies. Right, right, right. And so he was a real anomaly of a speaker choice that they had at the daytime of that. And he also had some criticisms for the musical act. Oh, yeah. But they weren't the same. They were mostly like they were too pro carry to John

carry it. Sure. I mean any musical act that is pro carry is too pro carry. Yeah. He did not talk about how they were singing about the zapatistas. Yeah. Oh, uh, we're going to take Mexico.

Mexico's going to take over America. That's a more fun song. It would be. And also rage was going, raging against the machine was still going on right now So that literally was happening across the street. Oh, no rage did play the nighttime of that see there. We go that makes perfect sense Killing in the name so Paul Joseph Watson shows up check on this episode because at this point Alex is trying to brand

His Monday appearances as like the Watson report or something like that. I think he's trying to do some brand development. I like it. It's not going anywhere. Nice little NBC local news kind of thing. Yeah. It's not it's not at all an interesting time that they have. Yeah.

Although in order to understand this clip, you have to know that earlier in the show, Alex had gone on a little mini rant where he said that the United States has been under martial law since 1933. 1933 is an interesting year to pick. It is, but it's also interesting because he's trying to stop martial law, but we're already under martial law. So that's an interesting dynamic. Right.

Anyway, a caller calls in. Wow, Paul is also doing the Paul report report uh... and wants to know him and what's up with that what was a who's up with that in the thirty three that that's a way to find out virginia go ahead two questions uh... one of you Alex and one to paul uh... you mentioned earlier that we've been on the martial law says thirty three what was the legislation or at a event that uh... up? Good question. Number one, are you on a

speaker phone? No, I'm Emma Lavi. Okay, I'm just going to really understand you. Your question was martial law, the different increments of it, we've seen the same things in Europe. Paul, you want to take that question? Great. Paul you want to take that question great Stahl for a minute and then ask Paul I That is that's the type of shit that she got to have a good partner for

That's what you need I talked some shit earlier. I forgot how I'm supposed to back this up Paul I mean, you know that really like, if Alex had not decided to like, straight go it alone, if he had a co-host pretty regularly, think of the exhaust valve, think of the release that would be possible for him to just go, hey, you're my underling, tell them what I don't know. I think he'd go through them pretty fast.

That is, that's a job with lower attention rights. That's the we could eat, we just thought of, if you remember dinosaurs, they had a show within the show where it was like a science show, and then the scientist would always wind up killing the kid. And we're gonna need another TV. And that's what Dr. Benson, honey, do always end up killing Beaker. No, Beaker never dies.

But he gets blown up. He's pretty beaker never dies but he be gets blown up pretty close he gets he gets it listen ocean is not stoked about it right honey do is a real libertarian it's a lot of uh... anti-government regulations going on yet so here's paul's answer after alix alix alix throws a job uh... poll you want to take that question but it's a world power that which made the people the enemy of the government then with the uh... national security apparatus of

nineteen forty seven when that all came about that's when the cia was created obviously in that then those in plan that's done operations start to take place right so that's an embarrassing answer i like to talk to some shit like i said about how you've been mar in marcia law since nineteen thirty three and the best of paul as to say is the war powers Alright, so that's an embarrassing answer. Alex has talked some shit, like I said, about how he been in martial law since 1933, and the best of Paul has to say is the War Powers Act and then the founding of national security. Got him.

There's a quick couple of problems. The first is that the War Powers Resolution was signed in 1973. What Paul is referring to is a colloquial term that's used by right-wing extremists when they talk about a non-existent thing called the War Powers Act of 1933. This was about an amendment to the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, those past five days after FDR came into office in 1933. It was emergency banking legislation, and part of it was a three-day banking holiday where people couldn't withdraw large amounts of gold or money. Folks on the extreme right, like Alex and Paul, believe that this is the government effectively viewing the public as enemies and that's why it's the first thing the Paul comes up

with when he's trying to bail Alex out of that sinking ship. Unfortunately, the emergency declaration that Roosevelt put into effect was terminated and along with that, the amendment to the trading with the enemy act was repealed. Shitheads like Alex and Paul pretend that that isn't the case because it helps them scare the audience more easily and come up with cool things like War Powers Act. Yeah, yeah, sounds good. It's just unbelievable these folks are able to make these dramatic ass pronouncements on air like we've been living under martial law for 71 years at the time of this recording when this is what they're actually talking about. I get it, you don't like the government, that's fine.

You just don't need to make up this extraneous bullshit to make that opposition to the government more interesting. I mean, to me, I feel like it has, maybe I'm crazy, but I feel like it should have the complete opposite effect. It's like, if we've been under martial law since 1933, I'm all right. Okay, I guess martial law's not that bad. I mean, we, what? Still, still play football? is not that bad. I mean we what still still play football

I don't know what he what it does seem it does seem like martial law is not what it's made out to be if that is the case I've watched a lot of movies. I've seen a lot of the documentary's Alex is made with the title martial law Yeah, we have been too many marshals law right and the definition martial law. Yeah, we have been to many martial law. Right. And the definition, technically speaking, you would think is that the military is a control of law through violence. Yeah. Yeah. And it is not that is not the state of affairs. No, it's just, but like, I think that there's such very easy ways to say you oppose the government and use reality to back it as opposed to these imaginary. We've been under martial law for 71 years secretly and you just don't know it. Yeah, kind of stuff.

It's it's more interesting and I get how it hooks an audience and more entertaining fashion. Sure, but it's it's a built on sand. Okay, let me throw this out at you. We have been living under martial law since then. Okay, but here's what happens. All right. And it's not the big event. It's not the laws. It's not the stuff. It's that after the military has kind of been running things, it kind of goes on autopilot. And then you just

kind of relax. You're not really paying much attention. You think it's any automatically loosens its grip over time? I mean, come on. You don't have the energy to tie right? It is exhausting It is so exhausting to tyrant you may be you may be I'm telling you you just you just you just it happens to everybody It's it's to a tyrannical dysfunction. It's it's TD look at this look what I'm blue pill look what I'm doing Uh-huh. What am I doing? I'm making a fist. Oh, that's scary requires the tension of so many muscles so many muscles over time you get tired and then you got to take a nap right there you go so uh... outstakes other caller and this caller uh... relates to story of uh...

how his co-workers are fucking with him and uh... seems to not deal with it that way uh... terminal high-, Jim go ahead. Good afternoon, Alex. Hello. Hello, Paul. Hello.

I wanted to share a quick story with you. Two weeks ago, I had printed up after the website about the shooting in Long Island with the Freemason ritual. And I work in an Institute of Higher Learning. The department is like three departments in one. one of the guys in one of the departments was amazing. So I showed it to him when I asked him, did they ever do this to you? And he got really stern like his lip was trembling and he said, no, we go right for sacrificing

the lambs. And then at the end of last week, his supervisor, which is also involved in law enforcement, walked right up to me, stood two feet away, pretended to point a fake gun at my head and pulled the trigger. And when I said, hey, you better not miss when you do that. And he goes, oh, I don't, then he truckers, and I go, we're all going to be replaced by the military. He goes, no, no, not no, Terry, predators.

Hey, watch, stay there, everybody stay there. Everybody stay there. Wait, everybody stay there. Wait, you stay there wait everybody stay there wait you stay there everybody stay there no one move Yeah traffic stop lights everybody cool off cool it everybody we got to deal with the fact that predators are taking over for the military I'm guessing he means like the alien versus I obviously yeah, yeah, or I mean I guess you could say predator drones Seriously, yeah, yeah, or I mean I guess it could say predator drones No, no cheaper predators you can't you get one predator Hundred regular soldiers that is way cut down on I do think it's inappropriate that this person would point a fake gun at this guy I think that that's a hostile work environment. I think anybody with a real gun shouldn't be allowed to point fake guns

Even you know, they're just I that's a practice thing. I think this is an HR issue for sure. Yeah, yeah for sure But the rest of it is them fucking with him for sure. Yeah, very clearly. Yeah, yeah, but everybody stay there I mean he even came back with a little J.P. of his own with a little hey better make sure you don't miss You know like everybody knows I don't think that was a J.P. I think he was being serious. I He kind of made it sound like he was passing it off like that, but I'm not sure you're entirely But is everyone stayed there? I have not moved okay, cuz we come back from break okay, and Alex has got to talk to him about this all right And to his credit he does like a couple of these things maybe their jokes sure

But that doesn't stop him from taking some of this deadly serious jokes, or I'll true I would take that quite seriously. I would get a micro recorder on you and go up and strike up a conversation with the security guy And you know the other day, why did you Act like you were gonna blow my head off This wasn't a security guy Alex. This is a department head. No, I understand. He's the law enforcement guy You said yeah, he's also involved in part time in law enforcement. So I would go with a recorder up doing. And I'd say, hey, where you joke the other day

when you said you were going to, you know, simulated blowing my head off. And getting on tape, then go to the police department and follow terrorism threat because I'd take these people very seriously. So you're at your university, you show a Mason in your department, the article with the mason's long people's heads off and rituals and uh... which seems to be quite uh... frequent

occurrence around the time on accident of course always and uh... exactly what he's citing you again it was uh... whatever's like a stand in a round kind of thing so i have other witnesses and uh... you guys were goofing around like you know uh... karate i can remove your heart with my two fingers okay they're joking then don't don't don't you know that i don't think he's a guy that's their joking and i don't do that

hey you know what he can do your heart out with two fingers and then this guy comes walking up and he goes i only need one finger and then he put the hand in the gun and he pointed at me and boom. Well that may not have been interrelated to him but the other guy when he said you know hey what's going on with this he said his lip started trembling and he said we go right with the ghost. Oh yeah he said that they know they don't do that they just like to sacrifice the blood of the lambs and I believe in the Bible don't they say the lambs of god are are are as human being

yeah that's a very cryptic statement so what did you say to him after he said that well uh... i just kinda like uh... walk away because the lift was trembling and he looked kind of angry uh... very good person uh... poll any comments i mean all what you have to say about this and Paul any comments? Paul! Paul! Paul!

What do you have to say about this incredibly boring, but not exchange? Paul, I was trying to take seriously, these people who were fucking with this collar, and I stepped in it. Paul, I can't even pretend, I can't even pretend anymore man. Paul, I asked for more details, and it turns out the guy pointing the gun thing was related to an entirely different workplace situation, and nothing to do with amazing stuff. Ah, shit, Paul. Paul, why don't you talk about the real problem here? Someone who needs to deal with this HR-wise.

This is an inappropriate conversation. I mean, if we're gonna take it from that perspective, sure. This doesn't sound like a well-managed office. That's what we need to deal with here. Yeah. That's the conspiracy. Yeah. Management. I think that, you know, the

rest of it sounds just like people fucking around. Yeah, like you do in an office. The answer he kind of, you know, pointing a fake gun, I do think. I would point across a line a little bit, especially not if you're, if you're somebody who has a real gun, don't point a fake gun. And if you're in a, like he said, he's the, like, department head. He's in a position of authority over these people. He we say a better example? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That said, that coming off like the pointing a gun and like that out of context completely insane. Yeah, yeah.

Coming after somebody says I can take your heart out with two fingers, all I need is one finger. Right, right. That makes it a little bit less insane. No, it makes sense. Yeah, there's a track. It's not somebody doing this out of nowhere. No.

Which would be, this guy should be fired. No, in this case, it's more like a step back and you go, what's wrong with dudes? Dudes are just, there's something wrong. Yeah. Dudes just got to be handled. Yeah. A little bit too much testosterone.

Yeah. Just a whole thing. And grow tendencies. Yeah. So Alex has to wrestle with the effect that there are people on the left and people on the right that oppose the war. And so a lot of people on the right don't oppose the war.

Ah! But also there's a lot of people on the right who don't oppose the war. It turns out a lot of them actually support it. Uh-oh. And Alex has to justify why that is. Well, that's okay. Folks, Hillary Clinton Clinton John F.

Kerry Al Gore Chuck E. Schumer that whole crew in and out of Washington are all global so is George W. Bush look at the actions not the rhetoric and so people see Hollywood and others that are wrong on almost all issues out there against the war and that does a on almost all issues out there against the war. And that does a couple things. That lures people into the leftist movement to think, oh, it must be good, it must be right on everything of their against this. But it also then allows the neo-cons to get up on TV and radio and point over at the socialist and go, oh, look, they're against the war, the war must be good.

So we've got to get more sophisticated than that and see the big picture. Is that something really happening? Yeah, most people are more sophisticated than that, but that's what Alex's politics comes down to a lot. This opposition, this definition by opposition is such a problem for his brain. You know, when he says stuff like,

I just look at what the globalists are doing and I do the opposite, like, I just look at what the globalists are doing and I do the opposite. Like, I do think he means that more than people give him credit for. No, it is, it is like, I genuinely feel like listening to him talk. It's like, man, maybe cartoons had a, maybe they're right.

Maybe if you just hit him in the head with a frying pan, it'll just like, rescramble his brain to the right spot because he is making a coach, like, that is an observation, you know, in times of complete chaos, you know, that kind of political alignment can change because people who are otherwise are Republican or anti-war,

and people who are otherwise anti-war, and then they get together, and they figure out who they are getting lied to by and then everybody kind of Re-shuffles like that makes sense right right that I get that well that he's that he's able to recognize that and not then go and that's what I'm here for Hmm is a very infuriating thing. I am here to capitalize. Exactly. I'm here to exploit that. Look at my vampire teeth as I describe to you how delicious people taste to me. You know, it is interesting that there are, there come times when there are issues that are crosspartisan. Sure. Sure. And that opposition to the Iraq war could be one of them where you end up in places and being exposed to things

that maybe you wouldn't have been before from the opposite side of the aisle. Totally. Most people, I think, and maybe this is me being naive, but most people have more underlying their politics than just the opposition, than just the single issue. Right, right, right. So like if I were to be in communication

with somebody who's on the right, who's posed to the war, I would be able to agree with them about the war. Right. And then I'd also be able to retain the parts that I don't agree with them. Right, right, right, right. That's the, and that's what Alex is here for. Alex is here to help ease you along that transition,

to help you go from saying, yes, I can agree with you that the war is bad to your Republican friend. And then both of you sit together and you listen to Alex Jones, and then you create your own social reinforcement group, you know, that's what he does. He takes that ability

for you to go, I am an individual person who can tell the difference between all this stuff and rips it from you and turns you into an infowarrier. That's the left-right paradigm being taken away. That's what you've just described. Maybe worse. So we get back to the native speech. Yeah. And Alex says his tone is a little bit different when he brings this back up. and he seems to understand that the uh... the hippies uh... they had every right to be there and were just trying to stick on his out i said i told the story so will in just a few minutes i am not a green party candidate i am not a ralph nader promoter

uh... and i can't it is better obviously on many issues in Bush and Cherry, the cousins who were Scolomones members. But a month ago, I got invited to speak at a rally put on by a Ralph Nader campaign group and they were good guys. I got to proper Texas that were wearing pro-gun T-shirts. They were really a nice group of people. But the the liberals that showed up had the stage before this group did and boy they were upset I was there. They told everybody go home. Don't listen to the next speaker. Don't listen to Alex Jones.

We have the stage at five o'clock. I walked up there and the lady running it running the other group ran up and tried to grab the microphone away from me. I just said, here, have it. Then they said, we're going to introduce Ralph Daider and the people said, no, you're not. So I got to introduce him. I mean, it was incredible. And they have these speakers up there before the Natives group, all by the way, love

Kerry. And they had a guy up there playing as Banjo. Mexico will run America,'s evil and will fall also the assistant will prevail over the I mean it was literally saying all this and it was just I forgot how disgusting liberals are so disgusting it's really focused on that singer though with their with their songs about

open borders and zapatistas and i think i'll take over america but you can't just enjoy a song even if you disagree with the underlying political message i guess i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you something down there are a lot of rap songs i enjoyed but i do not endorse their message sir there's even a lot of country songs that i enjoy that I do not endorse their message. Sure. There's even a lot of country songs

that I enjoy that I do not appreciate their message. Yeah. No, Alex, well, but here's where the breakdown occurs. Sure. Sure. Sure. This song doesn't sound good from a, like that is true. From an audio standpoint. I don't think I would enjoy it even if I did disagree. That's fair. I think you'd have to hard agree in order to rationalize enjoying the song, because it sounds like shit. That would be difficult.

It might be Alex's version of it though, I wasn't there. It could be. I don't know. He is a pretty pitch perfect imitator. It's too bad that his YouTube channel got taken down, because I would assume this might be on it. Oh yeah, That's true. I could not find video from other people of as many articles as I could find Discussing the the stuff I could not find the video. I do have been some video at some point. Yeah Alex said he recorded stuff Wow. Oh well 2004 YouTube videos. Yeah His his old producer Mike Hansen has a channel that still has a bunch of old videos on it

That wasn't on there unfortunately, it's pointing so everyone's being so mad to Alex They're trying to get it like give people to not listen to him so mad and so there was a UT professor who is the MC of the day Event and apparently he was pretty mean to Alex Dude, no, and then I had this UT professor come over and say some really mean things to me. I'm not even gonna repeat what he said. He said, you can quote me on that. But I'm not gonna give him what he wants. It's horrible.

And wait, so you can't put him on the notes. And right before I got up to speak, the professor got up and he said, leave immediately after this. Leave, do not stay, get in your cars, get in the buses buses get out of here i would guess that what this is is him saying after ralf-nader speech that's the end of all of that

yeah we're done if you want to stay that here if i think that we don't have any responsibility for what happens after this we i mean you got on our bus so the bus is leaving so get on the bus i mean it's not even a real conversation really after this well i mean if you are, like I said, and I have said, the world general awareness of Alex Jones is minimal at this time. Yeah, yeah. But people in central Texas, they know.

But a lot of them know who Alex Jones is. Right. And they would probably not want to be associated with whatever happens after this. Yeah. That's not us. That's not the Crawford peacehouse all right right and so that's probably what Alex is describing I'm like an Alex's characterization though I will I'm seeing Andy Kindler in home movies in my head you know just that

like it's very good and there were probably 600-something people there, and I'd say over half of them just immediately left with fear. Oh, we might hear something. Oh, we might, let's get in our cars. So I got up there and introduced Ralph Nader, and I gave my speech about the New World Order, and they had some very interesting bands. And one that was a loud singer group, liked it called Shanghai 5 but they're just neocons are terrified of waking up in the new world order and what bush is and these liberals don't want to wake up to what Kerry is. Okay.

Yeah and it was just disgusting. I mean it was and they were vicious vicious to me. Oh so mean. So mean to Alex. Poor Alex. You really haven't I You know the word vicious. It's such a good word. It's such a it's it's almost it's not on a monopayak But it is it is a provocative through sound of what's meaning, you know vicious

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Next we talked about the entire track list of quality control Is that the album? I think so I think it was yeah So um everyone's me into Alex and that seems to be like one of his biggest points about this is like just that everyone is mean to him. And he had a tough time and these dumb liberals. And you know, it's it takes away from the fact that this was part of a global day of of protest against the Iraq war. Yeah, it missed it. Intentionally, it was the truth. I'm sorry, what was the point of it?

Is Alex, people were mean to him. That's what I thought you were trying to say. I don't think at any point, he even brings up that it was part of this global day of activism. He, I don't, I don't think there's any recognition that that even happened. I do appreciate the idea of like not having any idea why you're...

Like, yes, I came here to give an anti-war speech. Yeah. I didn't know there was a war going on that you guys were against. I just, here's what I thought, I'm booked to perform. Yeah. That's it. I'm pretty sure that that day I was probably stoned in Peace Park at an anti-war demonstration.

Yeah, there's a certain amount of Alex just being there like, why is everybody taking this war shit so seriously all the time? And taking it out on me? Yeah, on me! For me! I'm a good guy! So, he seems really fixated on that folk singer. I can see that.

My whole point is I'll go speak to any group if it's around central Texas. I can't travel much because I'm so busy doing radio broadcasts, but I certainly didn't enjoy going and speaking at that, but I mean that got planned the ban show. Mexico runs America. We will soon have it. It will be our. It's no like a man's. I mean literally singing that,

where he was a white guy, it's just incredible. You work for the bankers to break down the Maraca. You're incredible. Yeah. I'm sorry. The bankers. The bankers are big, big banjo.

It's really throwing the lobbying dollars around these days. Yeah, this event where maybe 600 people were there, which I contest based on the pictures that I've seen. Right. Uh, yeah, they they they got this big this banjo players in the pocket of the big banks trying to lure people away from the chillion beam cook off. Warren Buffett, what do we do next? I'll tell you what we do. We get more banjo players, Goddammit! See, the vibe that I get is that this banjo riff about this guy is something that like maybe Alex and some of the guys who are at the event were doing.

Maybe they had little fun with it. Mexico will take America. Doing their own little in there. Doing back and forth version. Exactly. And maybe the other people had better versions of it. They were actually funny. And then Alex is just doing this bit on his show. That's the sense, that's the feeling that I get of this.

Like something that was fun in the moment. Yeah, I guess you had to be their story. And Alex just won't let it go. He just singing constantly. Yeah. Well, you know, whatever you're that type of person who just really needs somebody to say you're so great at everything.

And then to have, because there's, and it's even worse for him too, is that Betty didn't even get much acknowledgement at all from that little circle. Like everybody was, I bet he did. You think so? Yeah, all right. Because he's a star to them.

Maybe, but he's not funny. No, that's true. But you laugh when stars say things that aren't funny, when you're somebody who wants stars to think you're cool. That is the story of Elvis, isn't it? It's part of it. Yep. I think that maybe Alex got a couple laughs, polite laughs, but maybe some of the other people

were actually being funny. Yeah. And that creates the environment people were actually being funny. Yeah. And that creates the environment of this joke is killer. Exactly. And that's why it's coming up over and over and over and over again on the show. It has to be. Because he does some more.

You will not stop us because our first performance could match the goal. Lalalalalala. At least sing along with the song you're singing too. Lalalalalala. I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not

I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not I'm not but literally the lady just hissed at me. Now what's wrong with these people? What's your idiots? Punch of idiots. I mean,

You did someone actually hissed at him? If somebody, I, I don't know. If you hissed at somebody, I don't think that makes it okay to call them an idiot. I think this just falls into the category of Alex having like visions of people responding poorly to him. Yeah. Yeah.

But then again, you wonder how much of that is just that embellishment for radio, like with Howard Stern was saying about the, you know, he got Alex to admit that he was just embellishing and making up the New York detectives who were trying to kill him while he was in town for Pierce Morgan. He probably is just, like, if he was pushed on it, were people actually hissing at you? Sure, sure, sure.

Maybe I played it up in my mind. Well, I mean, I probably... Maybe I felt like I was in hostile territory because there were so many hippies around. Right. And maybe I came up with that in my mind. Right. Well, but I mean, the question,

we're the conversation we're having, isn't, is he doing it, or is he not doing it? It's, is it intentional or not? Yeah, or even just like in his mind, did he actually literally see somebody hiss at him, despite the fact that in our outside reality, no one did. Right. You know, that's the interesting question.

I do believe someone probably said his politics on the border suck. Yeah, I imagine that did happen Yeah, now you could totally see in his brain though like them turning into like a weird monster movie going Yeah immediately after that and that is real we will flood the borders. Yeah Taking over America. No, he saw it. He saw I will like a chicken fried steak just blew out of his face You know he saw it, he saw it with like a chicken fried steak just blew out of his face. And this becomes, I think, one of the central tensions that we'll never be able to resolve. Yeah. And the time in our show is how much of this is actually experienced by Alex.

Yeah. And how much is embellishment or metaphorical. Yeah. And he's talked quite length about how it is what he actually sees. It does feel that way. And so if you take him at his word, then it is not embellishment. It is literal demons that come up to him in the grocery store. People change faces.

Yeah. Um, but, you know, to what extent do you trust that? Right. Like, I obviously, I have experienced many, any number of different, you know, you were having a psychotic break. But I mean, I understand what I'm saying there is not that I, like, not that I understand his particular place so much as it is, like, I know that the brain can turn things that aren't real real to,

yes, that kind of thing. When you're under the influence of hallucinogens, you're having a psychosis hallucination or some kind of, yes, that is possible for your brain to do. So in this case, Alex, whenever, and you know, that's another interesting question to me, when Alex says to Howard Stern, maybe I was embellishing,

is Alex actually lying there? Right, to make himself not seem as insane as he actually is. Somebody who is like otherwise he has to say instead of him saying oh I was embellishing has to say regardless of what you perceive in reality I exist in a space where that person did that shit you know that's crazy man yeah so there's a there's a sort of weird middle ground where he's unwell enough that he sees hallucinations

and perceptual distortions all around him. Telling the truth. Yet he is well enough that he understands that other people don't see these things and he sometimes is going to have to equivocate and make it look like he doesn't if he gets pressed on the issue in a threatening environment. If I were pressed to try and create a character under those constructions, I wouldn't, I think Alex would probably be what shows up.

But you would not expect that he'd end up a millionaire. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, influential. See, if I was coming up with a character, it would be in a Twilight Zone scenario where he does become a millionaire and gets all the things he's ever dreamt, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Oh fuck, we're side characters in a Twilight Zone episode. Damn it. I would rather be the side character in a Twilight Zone episode than the main character. Generally, yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

So actually, this brings us, we're at the end here. The rest of the episode is kind of filler and nothing really. Nothing worthwhile happens. Alex goes on a bit of a couple of rants about Rumsfeld. He was on Meet the Press. Sure. And he said that he was trying to say that I never said that Iraq posed an imminent threat.

And then the people on Meet the Press were like, here's you saying that. Yeah, I mean, yeah. And it's like, ha ha. Slam Dunk on the part of Meet the Press. Wow. And then Alex just talks about how, oh, this guy, he's trying to say that he never said

these things. I guess that was demonstrated in the clip. Yeah. So there's a lot of time spent on that. There was so much promise in the early odds, that idea of like, okay, well, now everything, like straight up, we can so quickly edit and cut short clips, play them so easily and digestively that whenever we're having an interview with somebody like Rumsfeld, we can in real time be like, no, you said this.

The, the, the, the, um, the potential and things that are afforded to an adversarial press seem to be so promising. Yeah, it was like, oh, man, they won't be able to lie to us. Hmm. Didn't quite work out. Oh, God. So I'll spoke in a later event. I see. Right, right. You can have a good set. No, no, but I mean, for Alex, the way he's talking about it is not in the way that somebody who even had like

an okay set would talk about it. I lost half the audience to the chili cookoff. Exactly. That's reasonable. That's like, hey man, you can't win against the chili cookoff. It was more like, hey, these people were mean to me. These people were mean to me. I'm mad at this banjo player that no one knows who the fuck he is yeah yeah all right man you're worried about some local banjo player ha ha too far to the left for me.

Great. Oh, God. What a good use of time. Oh, man. It's a yeah, there's nothing quite like a national radio show to really go after the banjo issue. Incessantly. So Jordan, we'll be back for another episode, but until then we have a website. Indeed, we do. It's knowledge fights.com. Yep. We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter has had knowledge underscrap. I will be back but until then I'm Neo I'm Leo I'm DZX Clark see talking about how there will be a bit here in the future has now become a bit and I feel deflated no and trying to find a way to what no the bit is long exhale

and now here comes the sex robots and the enchanzas you're on the earth thanks for holding so i like some of the first time color of a huge fan i love your work i love you So Alex, I'm a first time coloring my huge fan. I love your work. I love you.