Knowledge Fight - #870: November 9, 2023

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

In this installment, Dan and Jordan enjoy an episode where Alex seems to be begging to be allowed to quit, before moving on to interview a weird self-help fellow and a young fool preaching MAGA communism.

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What the big bend situation. No. Although, two points. Yeah, okay. First thing, I said sneeze remix. Ha ha ha ha ha. During the theme song of our last episode, because just before that, you sneezed. Right.

It's huge. And I didn't, it didn't register. I didn't hear any of the the house and then I was listening back I'm like I sound like a lute He was it was worried that that was going to be the case it was it was the case and I Appreciate I did not get dragged

No for that, but it's still so I felt real dumb I can swear it was an earphone. No, no, I didn't hear it in my headphones. And I knew when you did that, you were like, you totally thought it was in there. I would've had anything. But here's what's fun about that. Yeah.

You've once again revealed to all of our newer listeners, you know, we listen to the deep song every single time. Little less editing to do. Little shortcut. I remember whenever I think it was Marty who was guessing on him back whenever I kept talking over the whatever was the technocrat drops. Stuff he was like, oh, I didn't know you got any,

he was really doing that every time. I'm doing that in post. Literally every time, yep. And then, okay, so the second point. Yes. We speculated that Alex was talking about us talking about him going to Big Ben. Yes. In London.

Right. And they said, no, it's Big Ben, the National Park. Correct. And I would refer them to our London episode where I made a joke about how Alex kept saying Big Ben, the National Park, about Big Ben, the clock. Yeah. So, look, I understand he could have been talking about Big Ben the clock. Yeah. So look, I understand he could have been talking about Big Ben. I don't believe he was.

I think he was specifically talking about how fans mobbed him at Big Ben, which he pronounced as Big Ben. Got a bunch of tweets about that. I do, I do love it whatever we get. What, what we get massive reactions for corrections on. Very specific and interesting. Jumpal Wamba fine. I'm aligned to them. Yeah, it happened to us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was wrong. Yeah, yeah, we'll accept that. Huge backlash for that. Totally. Big bend. Quite a large backlash. Unnecessary.

Backlash to the backlash. That's what's happening right now. So I have a bright spot. Okay. I mentioned on our last episode also that I had some thoughts about Italian food, but that would be for another day. That is today. That day has come.

I've been really into the Kakio Epepe pasta dish. Pecorino and pepper. Just black pepper, cheese, very simple, very simple dish. Uh-huh. Wait, it's just black pepper and cheese. I mean, it really depends on where you get it. If you get it from a place that's kind of not good, which I have done, it is basically just sort of spaghetti-ish noodles

with parmesan and pecorino and pepper. Ooh. And it's, you know, it's still fine. Right. But I don't have great taste. Sure. Mm-hmm. Okay. But I don't have great taste. Sure. Okay. And so other times again, I sort of like a little bit of a cheese sauce, a little like ricotta, take a sauce. Okay, I gotcha.

Yeah. So there's a little bit, ideally you have a little bit of a cheese sauce that is there with a little white sauce. Mm-hmm. And then the pecorino and the pepper. That's good, enjoy it. I've always been a red sauce, a marinara type guy with my pastas.

There's sort of a branching out for me. This is a pretty big deal. Yeah, not a pasta guy. No? Nope. Don't like sauces, don't like cheeses, and I think noodles are difficult to eat. They are, but you don't like fun.

How was that, how was eating noodles fun? Because you got to chase them down? Wow, I mean, okay, I like, I like a good soba noodle, but I may not know. You fless it. Fucking hypocrite. You're right, you're right. You just like Italian noodles. I, well, I, yeah, that's it.

You're actually right, There's too much fucking butter There's too much goddamn butter, okay? That's what you want to hear it is I want honesty. That's what I want I got it. You're something like the Italian I like the sparse Direct and purity of the flavor that the Japanese provide okay, do you like a ramen? Yes, I do I do appreciate a good ramen. All right. Case closed. What's your breath? There's a show. I saw a new show called Scavenger's Rain. Okay. And it is it's like a cart. It's like an animated show. Well, I was kind of hoping it was going to be a

reality show in the history channel where people scavenge is. I know, but what is cool about it is that it is sci-fi and It's the type of sci-fi where they let go of a lot of like So popper kind of stuff and they just really embrace like okay if we're on an alien planet What kind of weird shit would be on that fucking planet, right? Certainly wouldn't be bottle caps. No, it's not. So it is literally like so many different opportunities for somebody's imagination of like what life cycles could exist and how they could interact with each other. Space archaeology. Yeah, 100%. And then they put

people in like, they've gotten, and there's pretty good stories and characters and all the stuff built up around it. But so much of the joy is like, you know, in the title, Scavengers Rain, all of the things that they're dealing with are the life cycles of scavengers on this planet and how they're going about surviving. And it's so cool. That sounds fun. Yeah. Yeah. And the best, the best type of that, you know, is when you, when you look at something and you go, Oh, that's weird. And then it makes you look back at the earth and go, oh, that would be equally weird from their point of view. Can you believe they put butter on noodles?

Ah, that was a mother horror. I'm talking more about like, you know, if so, how is it possible that some things life cycle is they inject your, their babies into your head and then the baby involves your brain and then the brain makes you go to this place and then you poop and then the baby starts all over and it does somebody, that's nuts, right? Well humans don't do that. Not all of us.

I dare say most. I had a great idea for a TV show while you were talking. And that is my show. A lot of people have great ideas for other things as they wait for me to finish. So it's my show where people are scavenging things. And so it's people, like all the audio is the actual, like people like, oh, we found this thing over here, but then you animate it.

And then you can draw whatever you want there. Your imagination can run wild, but it's with the audio track of people actually scavenging things. All right. All right. Going out and finding little knickknacks here and there. Your whole your imagination can run wild, but it's with the audio track of people actually scavenging things all right all right Going out and finding little knickknacks here and there. Okay, so do you want to do it wherein you've got them Actually like the show is them going through all this. I'm thinking kind of letting in post you draw in what they find I'm kind of thinking like a less annoying American pickers. Okay. Have you seen that show? I have seen that show. Yeah, kind of less annoying, less produced than that. Okay.

And then it's animated so you can just draw in whatever. Sure. See, because now I'm thinking of a live action show where people go scavenged, but then when they find something, you like animate what it was that they could have found. And then they have to react based on that. Wait. I'm traveling through time react based on that. Wait.

I'm traveling through time in this scenario, I believe. I believe I am traveling through time. So people who are there pulling something out of the ground or whatever, will have to hold it and then react to the thing that you animate later on. Later on, yes. There's some problems with production.

I mean, people haven't thought about using time travel more banal ways. Yeah, and the event thought of ways to like make TV production even more We're oh god. We're gonna have to budget more for time travel now. Shed the time travelers Union is going to Really take issue with this. Well, they always have, honestly. And always will. So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. All right, that's never going to have it again. Nope. We're going to be talking about November 9th, 2023.

OK. That is Thursday. Yeah. That's last week. Yep. And that's because Jackson Hinkel came on. Right. I made a reference to that. Now we got to pay it off. Yeah. Last week. Yep. And that's because Jackson Hinkle came on. Right. I made a reference to that and now we got to pay it off. Right. So now I can finally figure out what a Jackson Hinkle is.

Yeah. Okay. I will say it's his real name and it is unfortunate and unfortunate in some ways because it is very memorable. Sure. But also, Hinkle has too much like stink kind of, you know, it's really, real schoolyard bully layup kind of thing. I mean, I can't. Stinkle. Stinkle. Here's the thing. Ace Venture is pet detective.

I'll never get over a hinkle and ironhorn. Oh, I didn't even think of that. See, that's the thing that I can't get out of my mind. It's not my fault. Right. I didn't make the movie. No, it's definitely problematic in that now. It's definitely Jim Carrey's fault. Yeah. Yes. Yes.

Jordan, we'll get down to business on this episode. I was actually going to include some of the Fridays episode too, but I decided, nah, I don't care. Fair enough. But before we do, let's say hello to some new walks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, the 20th is our wedding anniversary anniversary and we've been together for 17 years I just wanted you to say I love you, Bath and I'm so happy to be with you Is this is this the same one? No, okay, so these are separate. Yes, okay. Yeah, so that was the end of that and you're now a policy walk I'm a policy walk fell apart at the end there. Yeah, no, we're back on track, but Bath great I'm a policy wonk. Fell apart at the end there. Yeah. No, we're back on track. But, BASE? Great.

Happy anniversary to you and your partner. This, I thought, was the same one, because it looked like it trailed off. Right. But also, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I'm Jesse, I'm a first time e-mailer, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. Thank you so much, you're an out-policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much. You know what? I don't think I can do this anymore. Fuck Alex Jones, I quit. Thank you so much, you're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. You know what? I don't think I can do this anymore. Fuck Alex Jones, I quit. Thank you so much, you're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you so much to Ang Kingsley Chop.

You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. And Nick from Connecticut is liberal. He's liberal, he's liberal, he rules, but. You're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Oh boy, I really feel bad that I bifte that wedding anniversary one thankfully it appears there's a second

Second shot at it. Date shout out here So we have a technocrat in the mix. So thank you so much to deer Sarah We didn't mean to schedule our wedding on your 30th birthday Please accept our apology in the form of a shout out sincerely Aneta and Robert. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy walk For start, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone Sotomize sent me a book and a poop. Daddy shark Jar Jar Banks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser little, little kitty baby. I don't wanna hate black people.

I renounce Jesus Christ. So that's a fun shout out there. Yeah, thank you very much. But also, we got a lot going on here. Sure. We got a happy birthday message. There is a lot there. You're not gonna mall out in one go.

Uh-huh. Yeah. We have humble brag about getting married. Totally. So much. Calling you out for being 30, right? Yeah, we have humble brag about getting married totally So much calling you out for being 30 right as opposed to being like hey happy birthday. No Specifically 30 and making it sound like you are so mad So much so that you have to reach out to and and get an apology on the show. Yeah. Oh boy. I can't believe it. This is deep. Yep.

Yep. So, um, it goes all the way to the top. It does. Um, so Jordan, we start and Alex is not just going to have, uh, Jax and Hinkle here on the show. Okay. He has some other guests. All right.

And one of them is a real loser who may not be allowed to practice law anymore. Hmm. All right. I, uh, spent a couple hours yesterday on some very disturbing phone calls with lawyers and others dealing with January 6th, Convicties in the Kangaroo courts, namely my old friend Joe Bigg and others, Joe Bigg's. They are torturing the living snot out of them in prison. They don't just have Owen in solitary confinement. They are torturing the hell out of them.

And it's standard torture that they do to political prisoners. We're going to be joined by Joe Biggs' lawyer, Norm Patis, and one of the leaders and one of the main activists who's been in contact with all of the major people that were convicted in the Kangaroo courts in DC. Yeah, so you got Norm Patis coming in to talk about how Joe Biggs is being tortured. I would say this is the first time that I would legitimately be interested in talking to Norm Patis. No, you're not.

We're not going to actually listen to much of this. Well, for one reason, and it has nothing to do with what he's doing and everything to do with the fact that I read that he went to a comedy fantasy camp Oh, yeah, I saw that and I want to know more about that Adam Corolla's comedy fantasy camp Yeah, I mean like the ace man what the fuck is going on here? How is that possible? What what am I doing where I live in a world where you have the time right now?

I mean yeah, I mean not just that but like last year I'm watching Fucking norm paddest look like a Nadia. And then this year I just find out he was hanging out with Alonzo Bowden. And what are we doing here? Honestly, based on my assessment of his performance, he could use that bootcap. Yeah, he really could.

I don't usually recommend comedy classes for people, but in this case, you need it, buddy. Fucking, and he spent so much money on it, Con, I hate this world. Yeah. I hate this world. Yeah. I hate this world. He can throw away grand upon grand on a, and it's Adam Carola.

Yeah. Everyone involved should be less successful. Except for Alonzo. He's cool, dude. He's gonna teach, he's gonna teach Norpatus how to do a lightning round, but thanks for our Cola. Come up with any other, uh, cool dude he's gonna teach is it teach Norr Pat is how to do a lightning round with Ace Rockola. Come up with any other uh who else is that I bet Leno was that I'm sure that was there

yeah I don't even need to guess anymore Leno was there yep I'll come up with some more uh deep love line cuts by the end of this thing I can't remember if Aces oh no that was that was on love line Aces Ranchero accordion countdown. That was always fun. You remember that? Nope, don't remember that one. So that was one that get really bored in doing the show. The Anderson, I think, the engineer. Whoever was the engineer at the time would start a Ranchero song. And they would, before that, they would make bets on how long it would take for the accordion to start

Which seemed hilarious at the time and now looking back it's It's a flat bit. It's a little flat. Oh My god, I didn't even realize this and I bet he didn't tell him Can you imagine? How much you would roast somebody who came to your comedy class if they had just lost one and a half billion dollars in a court case They didn't even know they didn't I bet they didn't know I bet no no never roasted paddys I didn't read the entire article, but I read the little part about norm Uh-huh, and part of it was a roast battle uh-huh like between the contestants or the people who are taking the class Yeah, and they were making fun of norm for being the proud boys lawyer

But were they making fun of him for being a loser? Probably I mean it's a roast battle. All right fine fair enough. I think if I were in roast battle and my opponent was norm I'll just I quit ah boy life life one yeah life beat you in I can't do this to this Fucking Adam curl as a kind of a camp what fun what ever so we're not gonna listen to much of that Interview and part of the reason is because a fair amount of the stuff that he's talking about I kind of believe is happening I'm not sure if it's torture. I'm good stuff like you know They're being told that they're being transferred to another prison and then they get out

and out on and then they have to be transferred to another place. They're being like handcuffed for long periods of time. Sure. Stuff that I kind of believe is probably happening. Yeah. But they think it's only happening to them. Right. And I find that to be a really annoying way of discussing the abuses of the prison system.

And I think that there is round criticism to be made of how prisoners are treated. And I do believe that even some January 6th people who are incarcerated probably are subject to unfair treatment within the prison system to pretend it's only them is a disservice to the real criticism that actual activists make and I find it a loathsome of them. So I'm not even going to engage with their pissant nonsense. You know, that's yeah. But there's another topic and that is that there's a GOP debate. We talked about this a little bit on the last episode. Oh that's right. I forgot there was a GOP debate. We talked about this a little bit on the last episode. That's right. I forgot there was a GOP debate. The vape. Yes, they'd debate each other. You did his thing. Okay. And here Alex has a take. Okay, the vape take the debate had less than a million viewers But on Stephen Crowder's show last night. I was on it had two million viewers in least

They're a joke and vivid skip the break viewers at least. They're a joke and vivid. Skip the break. Literally nailed them when he said we shouldn't have NBC right. Republican debate. There's no Republicans watching NBC and MSNBC. We should have Joe Rogan and Elon Musk and Tucker Carlson hosting this. They're the populace. They're so popular. Why do we keep kissing the ass of the establishment? No one's watching us because we're idiots. To the system, we keep acting like it's still in power.

It's a facade that blew over. Yeah, I mean, on some level, why don't you do that? Yeah. What's stopping you? I mean, yeah. From having a debate on Rogan's show. I imagine Rogan doesn't want to. They don't, they, I mean, I understand that they...

It's a lot of pressure. I don't think Rogan wants that kind of heat. The only reason that they're like, the R&C debates is because the R&C like organizes them in the news. And I think a lot of candidates who want to be taken seriously probably wouldn't show up on a Rogan debate. Yeah. because there's a lot of stuff that Rogan's done and said in the past that they would not want to be associated with.

Sure. You know, it's very easy to find the clips that Alex used to attack him back when they were having their little fight. The ones where he went to a theater full of black people and said it was like planted of the apes. Sure. That kind of stuff maybe a serious candidate would not necessarily want to uh... be associated with this and and uh... lend their credibility to it yeah maybe i don't know yeah for now for now though right i mean like

Alex is that it there is a certain point that he's making that is correct, which is that if the debates that are put on by legacy media and gatekeeper people for the reason of let's not have a circus explode on us, right? If those are getting a million views, that's not enough to compete with a debate on Rogan show that gets 20 million and eventually politicians are going to make the choice of sure there's respectability and then there's getting 20 million more votes. I don't disagree that calculus is probably in flux. Yeah. And I also think like on some level, Vague is kind of right. He's not right about a lot of stuff, but he is right that like probably a Republican debate doesn't

make sense to be happening on a mainstream media platform anymore. Yeah. Like they're, they're a really good point. They are completely foreign to this. And I think he even made the point. It's like, would the Democrats have a debate hosted by Greg Gutfeld? I'm like, well, first of all, Greg Gutfeld's not the right choice to go in. Yeah, that doesn't make sense.

But yeah, there wouldn't be a democratic national debate on Fox News hosted by Tucker, or something like that. That wouldn't happen. It did, in the past. But it wasn't hosted by Tucker. It wasn't hosted by Tucker, but there was a time. Or Godfills. I want to talk, I'm talking to our under 20s right now.

There was a time where people would just show up on all the networks. Well, but that's not true. And they'd be a dick to them. Well, but he would still you'd still show up. Bernie went on Fox. Sure. You know, it had a town hall kind of thing. Sure. Sure. That makes that's a little different that I think than having their like official debate. Oh, no, I'm talking like, yeah, I'm talking like 90s. That's what I'm talking about. Like, like, like, showing up on MTV.

Same boxes. Oh boy. When he played, Boxers of Briefs, baby. When he played the saxophone on Arsenio, it doesn't get more going on Rogan than that. Yeah, you know what? But there's a difference between a publicity appearance and like having your actual debate. Oh yeah, totally.

I know that I'm making that distinction a lot, but it is, it is important, I think. Sure. Also, Arsenio's fucking awesome and super huge. Also, do you want your debate to be moderated by someone who constantly is like, Hey, Jamie, Google that. Do you want that? Do you want during the debate?

He's the way out of his mind, wearing a weird costume, Duncan Trussell's over on the side. What the people who are doing the debates now are doing is at the very most or best a lateral move compared to that. Yeah. Here's why I think it would actually work. Exactly. That's the problem. Here's why what's happening now doesn't work and here's why what might happen does. Well, the fake and presumably if Trump were at one of these debates, they are hostile to the media and therefore There's nothing that they're going to do that is even close to debate. Yeah, simultaneously

They are obsequious when it comes to someone like Rogan and People like Chris Christie are gonna act the same no matter what Because they're they're just there to debate like maybe I don't know is he selling a book? I you know, I think he's just there to have a good time and he wants everybody to come out and really leave it all on the field You know and just have just just really play your best today, you know if if if if nothing else Having like it be in a place where there's people who like the the hostile folks suck up to the place Yeah, it would diffuseuse a lot of the the clear

petulence and Indignancy that you see out of people like Vivek. Yeah, I mean, it just seems like debates are a vestigial organ at this point What are we talking? You're not we're not having a Conversation no so that was a time when it was much more difficult to get out the word on your positions. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, that was a useful thing then. And now it is not.

Yeah. It is a shit show. Yeah, I mean, people forget, like people talk about the Lincoln Douglas debates as being like a about intellectual, blah, blah, blah, whatever. That's the same as a book tour, man. That's, that is a show going on the road.

They would have gone on the... They both do three hours of shit talking, and then they go to their next city. Fair enough. Yeah. So Alex is, is, is Mopey. Uh huh. He's a little Mopey boy.

And so my greatest victory is you keep me on air. It's your victory. And the fact that we sustain through all these attacks to get to the point where we see the great awakening exploding right now. The problem is it's like this past, say thing like the war is over though, Alex, you're not eating anymore. No, we're awake that we're in a war. And now when we speak out against lockdowns and tyranny, we get a response and we have some victory. But now we're in the fight. And this is the most important point of our entire operation. So I'm going to plug this right now.

I think it's in the news. I thought about this last night this morning, because it's a paradox. It's a very, it's a very, it's a drug addict. Paradox that I want to explain to people. For at least four or five years, we've been on the edge of not having enough money to operate. We've made every cut we can make. We can't cut anymore. People don't get raises around here for years. Bonus is nothing, but they stay here because they're dedicated and they care about freedom. I've sold almost everything I've got. I'm in the process of selling the last piece of property. It's not my home. Won't even pay a third of what I need to get done. I'm not complaining. If God wants me out of the game and God doesn't touch your heart and support us,

that's the way it is. But let me explain to paradox here. This building, this infrastructure, the crew, the brain trust we have here. If I shut this down and

just say, well, we're essentially been shut down. I'm not quitting. You've quit on us and I'm not mad at you. And people think, well, Jones is around forever. He's fine. If I don't show you and shut it down, I won't get the funds.

Now, I know what's gonna happen. The minute we announce, oh, we're shutting down in two weeks, we'll suddenly have more money than we need. But I don't jerk people's chain. He's been chain jerking forever. I mean, it's been constant chain jerking. I I mean, I mean- It's been constant ch this right now. I've heard this a million times. His like family crest should have a chain being jerked. Quite frankly. Yeah. Also a chain being jerk. Well boy cries wolf. Yeah. There's also like a weird thing. Alex's mentality has

always been that the globalists are so transparently evil and so obvious in their plans and all this that all you have to do is bring it out into the open and then the public will know and the battle will be won. Right. I guess that's not the case. No. Well, now you're awake that there is a war. Right.

There's still another awakening to be awoken. Oh, shit. That is, it is almost as though it would, it's never going to end because the end is not the means. So this what's going on right here is Alex threatening the audience and preemptively blaming them for him going out of business. He knows 100% that this whole game is unsustainable and that it's just a matter of when not if Info Wars goes down, but he doesn't want his legacy to be the guy who built and then destroyed his own propaganda machine.

He wants to retain his heroic status, and he's choosing to do that at the expense of his audience here. When this happens, just know it's your fault for not giving me enough money. You could have given me more money, and we'd still be on air, so this is really on you, actually. This is a directly abusive tactic that he's using to retain whatever self-image he has, his fragile ego. It's very sad.

It's very sad. It is sad. It is sad, especially because, I mean, there is an honorable way for him to go out, and it's an agiant explosion, right? Well, I mean, not literal. Not literal. You know what I mean? You have to fake his own death.

No, there is. There is the, um, no one you've been beaten. Totally. And bow out. Stop with these, these childish games that are only hurting your own audience, obviously. Yeah. And if you don't want to bow out humbly,

bow out like a complete prick and make a huge show of it and fine. Well, he's in the middle of that. But bow out. No, he's in the middle of trying to squeeze every last fucking drop out of it. It's a long back. Oh, it's not a bow, it's in the middle of trying to squeeze every last fucking drop out. It's a long back. Oh, it's not about.

It's a theft. It is. Yeah. But he's ready to fucking quit. You shut up. Quit. But whatever you do, however you see fit, this will be a commitment. If I come in here in a month and I say, well, it looks like I'm not going to be able

to continue on again. And they'll be in agreement with the court. And I'll say there's a three, four month wind down will sell it of everything that's left. He did that. Suddenly all this support. And that happened. I'm not going to pull the plug folks and turn it back on. When I say, okay, we've run our course. I'm not going to. It's not a bluff. We will then disconnect him forwards. He will have three, four months to get a job. We'll sell it and everything we've got. And people will be like, no, we want to donate.

We want to help. We want to, no, it's done. It's done because you can't, with a court, start the process and reverse it. So I'm ready to resign right now. I'm ready to do it. I'm not, I just shit the begging for money. I don't like doing it. And if God has decided, and I think that's what's maybe happening,

that I'm not supposed to be here anymore. I think the crew's going to be fine as well. We're ready to pull the plug. And now we'll go out of prison. Hope this guy can protect that crew. You'll have a new show arrest of it. No, I won't. So it's not George Soros is going to sign what we say on here.

It's not Hillary Clinton. It's gonna sign when we stay on here. It's not Hillary Clinton. It's you. It's you. Give me money. I mean, wow, that's a rousing speech. How much money would be required to even make a difference at this point?

Ah, it's, it's, I mean, I'm somewhere around one and a half billion dollars, I think. Yeah, it's a ridiculous request to ask of his audience to bail him out of this. Even then, he couldn't afford the taxes on one and a half billion dollars to pay off the one and a half billion dollars he owns. I would, I would assume not. And I don't, I, from some of the other talk he was saying, I don't know if he can even afford like attorneys and stuff to do an appeal. Yeah.

Quite frankly, he might be even unable to make that leap. We can only help. But man, man, it's tough for me to hear this in November because I think that what might be going on is he's preparing to pretend to close again so he can sell out all his stock. Sure. He doesn't have stuff lingering at the end of the year that gets taxed. That would track. I think that might be part of what's going on here, because I've heard this before and it does seem to happen at the end of the year. Yeah. Yeah. I know. What's the fiscal quarter for this one?

Those are words that I've learned from the TV. Right. I don't know enough about that from a business perspective. But I do know that at the end of the year, if you're holding a lot of inventory, there is a tax. Yeah, it's taxed. Yeah. And so you avoid that by moving it all out. I have an ad inventory. And just saying I've seen this strategy before from Alex. I like, I like the idea of a Rorschach, but for like, just cash, you know, like he's doing that whole like, oh, when I'm gone, the people will cry out for help. And I'll say no, unless you spend $29.99 at the store, like Rorschach. But now, yeah, exactly. That's what I'm saying. When you say, I wish I could give you money later, I'll say it is too late.

Yeah, like Rorschach before he puts the money out, people will cry out for this extra deal. We've got going on in the room. Yeah. This is a cross-excel in your turmeric. It's the best turmeric. It would be the best turmeric. I'm gonna keep moving around depending on how you look at it. True.

Yeah. There is obviously a little difference in how this feels just because of the circumstances, the spanker up C and all this. But to me, he's the boy who cried, I quit. Yeah. And I'm done or whatever. All I have become so jaded to his quitting.

Yeah. That even when it, like honestly, listen to this next clip, it feels like he's begging to be put out of his misery. And yet I still don't take this seriously. Everybody's Alex Jones now. And David Ramishwani knocked it out of the park. He said, always be good as you bad.

The stuff he's doing is devastating them. There's no such thing as good as that. And it was Joe Roggan, same thing with Russell Brie and all of it. Took a cross, let's go on and on. So the good news is, maybe I'm like an old military officer, sorry, been in like five wars and I'm old down. Maybe it's time for me to take a back seat. I'm ready. I'm calm. I'm prepared. And I've

done my mission. But if you decide to pull me out of the game, if you decide to take me and put me on the bench, then do it. And I'm done. It's that simple. Fendjunge.com, Jones Crowder.com, in four store.com. So feel like he doesn't want you to give him money. It kind of does to me. It kind of feels like if you'll just stop giving me money, I can end this. You know, there's something. Here's, do you remember ghost dog way of the samurai?

Yeah. Forest Whitaker. Sure. Rizza. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great movie. Yeah. Love the love the movie. But the way that the mob and mafia is portrayed like that, that end of the, that dying ember of the mob of like, we're going through the motions because the way we want to die is in the act of living this life and not as like, oh, well, I'm in a retirement home. You know, like that kind of thing. And there's so much I hear of that in Alex of just like, this isn't how it's supposed to end, man.

This is sad. This is sad. This is sad. I think there's a bit of that. And then there's, I think there's also a bit of it. I want this to somehow not be my fault So if it is in your will to not give me money I got a business and blame you right right right Well, I mean maybe if you're in the life of crime usually it's not because you want things to be blamed on you true Yeah true, so

They're gonna have that interview with norm patis. There's also another guy who's along with him Who is an expert in these things. Another great comedian. Now, he's not both. The lawyer, John Bishop, the lawyer can't even get in touch with him. He's also my lawyer. Famous constitutional lawyer, Norm Patis. Trenus Evans heads up and is the founder and the head of condemned USA, documentarian author, canary six expert speaker, rock the red board condemned USA on Twitter,

condemned USA.com. He is one of the only people in his organization as they've been there since day one. There's got enough sources and enough of the J6 or to at least be able to talk to a few of to find out what's happening. Oh, wow, as we get this guy, Trin S Evans, who sounds like a real professional documentarian type of guy.

Definitely sounds like an unbiased person who just feels really passionate about this story of January 6th prisoners. Well, he's an expert. He is. And Alex conveniently leaves out one piece of Evans' resume. He's a J6 protestor. There we go. On March, in March 2022, he pled guilty to charges stemming from his participation in the jenuary six

federal storm according to a tip the fb iris he'd have been squirt took shots of fireball and nancy plosies office which probably felt super cool at the at the time ahhhh i'd listen how long did he do did i didn't do any time worth it thirty six months uh... probation i'll do that right now for thirty I didn't do any time. Worth it. $36,000. Well, 100 per person probation.

I'll do that right now for 30, deal. You sold me. $36,000 probation. You also had to pay like $5,000. It's still worth it. So he'd gotten to the office by climbing in a broken window. So you have to assume he was pretty aware that he wasn't supposed to be there. Also, I went and I found the picture of him climbing in through the broken window.

And the door is open next to it. See, but there's too many people coming in through the door, so he comes through the window. See, but here's the problem with the justice system doing that stuff. You have set the price for me breaking into Nancy Pelosi's window, and fucking taking shots of Fireball. You've set the precedent. I mean, it's hard to argue. That's the cost. That's the cost of doing business there. So one fun fact is that as a part of his agreement to have some of the charges dropped Evans quote Acknowledged that a riot occurred on January 6th 2021

And he agreed to pay his part of restitution for the damages that were caused by the riot Okay, Evans was sentenced to 36 months probation, which he is still under So I certainly hope that it's not a violation of that probation to participate in flagrant propaganda meant to incite people around the very thing he pled guilty to. I'm sure he didn't specifically agree not to pretend that his Insurrectionist buddies are being tortured in prison, but it does seem like this might run counter to the spirit of the Agreements that he made. Yeah lawyers really got to think about that future coming up, you know like, you know You don't think you have to say to somebody. Hey, also don't start another ride out there, kid, you be good, you know? As it stands, he has this condemned USA website where he raises money for the J6 prisoners. That's fine.

Stuff and like for their commissary and what have you. And that to me is like the most harmless way that people can be on that side. Like if you're raising money to try and like deny they did anything wrong or start another riot or something like that, then we've got some murky issues. But you know, I don't think that people should be denied the right to access products, whether in prison. Yeah, no, I mean, whatever. If you want to waste your money

giving it to fucking Joe Biggs and the proud boys, go for it. Yeah, it's on you. Yeah, you're deeper in the scam than I can help with. Yeah, ain't that the truth. So Alex has another guest and it's like a self-help coach guy. What?

Yeah. No. It's really weird. It's about like getting out of your victim mentality. And so was Alex late, oh, whoa, whoa, awake it like three o'clock in the morning, really pissed off and a little sad and drunken. So this and was like, gotta get this guy over show.

I would guess that this is a similar thing to that Jake Ducey get rich hippotist guy. Okay, I imagine this is broker program. Right, right, right, because there is no energy. That sounds right. Here's just a little taste of their interaction. Where would you say the great awakening is right now? I feel a lot of positive potential.

The enemy's trying to back. You know, how about my great awakening? My great awakening is right here right now with you. This is wild now. It's wild and fun and it feels oddly normal. And then my great awakening is with my friends. I surround myself with bad asses. People that are using their words in powerful, cool,

constructive ways, they're breathing well. That means they're listening. If someone's breathing in their chest, they're not listening. If someone breathes low and slow, they're listening. You get around a group of people that are listening well. That's fun. It creates a breathing well, it creates that warmth, warmth. And then, and it, because it is, again, it's an inside out job. They're breathing and cooking and, and yeah, so so breathing,

hey? I like what's happening. I like what's happening. I didn't expect this whole thing to be easy. Okay. And Lord knows what's gonna happen for me coming on this show. You know what, okay, I love what you said. I don't know what's gonna happen at the end of this, but if you want to fight, let's fight. We all have, we have a cup of Jones, man. We've been, I got a decent Alex Jones impersonation.

My business is really good. I don't know how this is all gonna end. Kimberly, if you want to fight, you better believe you got one. Ever we, I've been friends with Mike Judge a long time. He did some liners for us. And people thought like, well, that's pretty close to Mike Judge, but all it's like Mike Judge. So as Alex shows him a taste. You know that indie song, the indie song. I can see the whole thing. I'm angry.

I've had enough for these people A bunch of Christian murderers A bunch of Christian murderous gums Runaway, giant deathfaffers Keepin' babies is a top That goes on longer than you'd think It's already gone long enough True long, yep, too long

Singing that bony verse song that is such a dunk Um, oof, oof, oof, oof It's been a while since I've heard somebody literally left out to dry. I felt Alex put like clothes pins on his hands as he was holding onto those little lines. He's going, no, you're going to let me, you're going to have, you've got something to say, right? You're going to let me down off this. No, you're not going to leave you keep swimming buddy? You wanted this You paid for the privilege you didn't pay for questions. I'm not sure if that is exactly what your arrangement is But boy does it share like it from the entire like

Look it's all about the breath man. You breathe breathing breathed. You're breathing your chest. It's no good. It's no good. Dude. Slow breaths. That's how you know the people are happy. Yeah. Like, oh boy. Yeah.

What the fuck? That was somebody floundering at a youth pastor's convention. Not good. Nope. But thankfully, business picks up. Uh-huh. Because then Jackson Hinkle comes around. Right.

And finally. And so Alex introduces him. I think he calls him Jason once or twice. I like it. But that's fine. That's good. Gamesmanship. All this guys work for a while.

Very interesting, very eclectic. And, uh, well, he used the word eclectic. I'm gonna use every day on his videos on Twitter and more. At Jackson Hinkle, that's H-I-N-K-L-L-E-1-L. And he's an American Servative, which is, we're going to talk about this, Ivershin Definition, and Marxist-Linanist Political Commentator,

and Social Media Influencer, he hosts a political show, The Dive, with Jackson Hinkle. He's known for his advocacy of Make America Grading and Communism. This is Wikipedia page. This is a very particular's very smart guy. He has a huge effect, but people ask, is he trolling people saying conservative communists? There aren't many communists who'll come on the show.

And still not really having one. Yeah, I was gonna say. So he has a MAGA Communism is kind of Jackson's brand. Fun. That term is nonsense, and I don't really care to get too bogged down in it, because it's clear self-contradiction and it's meant to be that. Fun. And that term is nonsense. I don't really care to get too bogged down in it because it's clear self-contradiction and it's meant to be that. Yeah.

It's a name for the brand that's meant to inflame and it's meant to get people on either side on the defensive immediately. And then when you talk to Jackson and realize you agree on some stuff that he says, you find yourself thinking that maybe he's a middle ground. It's more or less a marketing gamble and I don't really find it all that compelling.

When I say that it's a marketing gamble, I mean it in terms of what I described there where Jackson's able to surprise both Maga and Communist folks by finding agreement with them on some things, but I also meant it in a trolling sense. Jackson gets so much mileage out of social media, and part of the reason is because people who are actually invested in either side fucking hate him. The left is deeply entrusting of his angle, and the right wing will not accept anything that views communism positively. Because he's aware of that, and he isn't an idiot, he uses the branding of MAGA communists

to harvest outrage from both sides, and use that to fuel his attention machine. Jackson started using this branding a while back and started to make waves with it in 2022, along with his compatriot, another streamer guy named Haws. I've seen a few videos of Haws, and for the most part it seems like he's just, he kind of just likes getting insanely angry and yelling at people, which helps make sense of why Jackson is the face of this shit. And I have no idea where Haws is these days. Jackson is a cool, composed, media-ready young man. And he's not unlike Nick Fuentes, but just with Les Carisma. He has a lot less.

Les Carisma, the Nick Fuentes? Here's the thing. Oh my God. Nick really seems like he's having fun. Race to the bottom, isn't it? Well, Nick seems like he's having fun. Wow, that is, there is an element of... What he's doing.

There is an element of... I don't doubt the sincerity of him enjoying fucking with people and being a racist right when Tess is a psychopath in that sense. Yeah, yeah, where is Jackson does not have that jua de viva That that you get from Nick. Yeah, that's the weirdest part. I can't imagine doing this and not enjoying it You know, well, maybe you just can't convey the enjoyment as well. That's true. That's true So the basic essence of this MAGA communism brand is to use deeply right-wing social messaging intermixed with class analysis that's

cribbed from the left. The way this tends to take its form is by romanticizing the idyllic image of the traditional family and the importance of your religious conviction, which satisfies the MAGA part of the equation. Simultaneously, you add in some economic plattitudes about the elites that take on the appearance of being anti-capitalist in nature. There's a populism that runs through the economic ideology that's meant to appeal to folks on the socialist side

with themes like supporting workers' rights. As I was looking back on how all this got going, I found a 2022 article in Vice about Haws and the early manga communism business, and I felt that this was really informative. While this got going, I found a 2022 article in Vice about Haws and the early Maga Communism business, and I thought that this was really informative. Quote, Haws is one of a number of self-proclaimed communists who are pushing the notion that anyone who cares about the working class should abandon the liberal, quote, culture war, an ally with America's largest anti-establishment populist movement, Maga, ultimately in the name of inciting a populist revolution.

This is a brand based on a couple of core points. The first is that they do not actually care about socially liberal positions, like access to reproductive health care, LGBTQ rights, civil rights, etc. It's not an abandoning of these positions, it's an effort to convince you to. The default position is capitulation to the social ideology of the maga set because they have the most political momentum which will inevitably lead to the creation of a brutal theocratic xenophobic stay provided over, uh, presided over by a dictator most likely Trump. And that's the social politics of his, his shit. The second core element of this

brand is that it's based on experience. The premise here is that the economic issues that they really care about are so much more important that they're willing to side with Maga folks to make those things happen, as if that was some kind of a difficult choice for them to make. They don't care about the liberal social issues to begin with, and the primary reason to side with the Maga crowd is because that's the quickest viable road to power. It's a giant mass of people who've been shown to be very swayable, so if you're an opportunist, you could hardly think of a better audience. It's hard, I find it hard to believe that based on these two core understandings, they really mean most of the stuff that they're saying. It feels like an exercise in self-promotion more

than anything else, and it doesn't seem to have any viable political point to it outside of being a gateway to take people from the fringe left to the extreme right. I guess. It's the sort of left to the extreme right. I guess. It's the sort of jumping over the horseshoe thing. Yeah. From a standpoint of politics, I don't really care about the ideas being presented here because they're incoherent and intentionally so. The communism that's part of MAGA communism isn't really communism.

It's the presentation of an anti-aletus hollow populism that's already existing in the MAGA world. What you're left with is just the extreme right wing presenting itself as it's some kind of ground breaking compromise with the left. Yeah. That's the more or less the appeal of the brand. Yeah. And it's nonsense. Yeah. There's a real fracturing of the lesser of two evils contingent I've discovered. Is that right? It's gone across the whole political spectrum into all different kinds of weird places now. I find that so fascinating of like,

hey listen, the lesser of two evils is kill gay people, but equal economic rights for everybody. All right, well the lesser of two evils is we protect gay people, but we align with these people and we give rich people more money. All right, well the lesser of two evils is we protect gay people, but we align with these people we give rich people more money All right, well the lesser of two evils is we do this thing and it's just a series of compromises that people want to pretend aren't right You know the what the system that we have now as its function Well that that is that is a dynamic that exists now I want to be clear about this one though. It's fake

exists. Now I want to be clear about this one though. It's fake because. Oh yeah, well they all are because the abandoning of left liberal quote unquote culture war issues. Sure. Is something they don't care about to begin with? No, of course not. That's not abandoning that to them. No. They are just saying, let's work with Maga because we think we can get them to have a populous class analysis that we find... we find appealing and it's fucking stupid too because you're not going to get them to do that it's a failing game and essentially just is kind of the only productive aspect that you can really see coming out of this is getting some people on the left to care less about social issues got it that's kind of the only real mission accomplished banner for that George DeBio right come on buddy. Yeah, put it up there bring bring people who are on the left closer to being susceptible to right wing and

Dr. Nation. Hmm. Anyway, Alex asks him what is this Maga communism? Do you know I do I hear nothing? It's nothing. That's what it is. So I wanted to talk about you and your view of the world right now, but maybe you can square this up for me. How do you have a Trumpist make America great again? Marxist-Leninist view explain that to me. Well, it's pretty simple actually. I've been a big fan of your show for years and years, and the Maga movement, I think most people, there's a few people in the Maga movement who are flirting with these globalist Nazi scum

like Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis. But I think most of the Maga movement understands that the resources, the land and the means of production of the United States of America should be in the hands of the Maga working class, okay? There's no reason why we should allow our oil, our gas, our nuclear, our land to be controlled by a few of these rich scum like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos and BlackRock and

Vanguard, for example. And that's the whole idea is, you know, we need to fight for this. My ancestors sailed here on the Mayflower. They fought in the American Revolution. They fought in World War II against the Nazis. And they're rolling in their graves right now, looking at what our country is doing, sending 266 people out. My family goes other places and kills people. These $14 billion to these anti-human, Malthusian, terrorists in Israel. We need to fight to get our country back, or else we're going to have a futile society for the end of time. All right. All right. So you can see there's a pretty slick

move that there out of the box. First, you have the requisite flattery directed towards Alex. It's always a good way to answer a question in InfoWars land. Yep. And then you have all the InfoWars buzzwords and villains getting name checked. Yep. And here's the thing. Jackson is kind of right that most of the people in Alex's audience, if they were presented with communism under a different name, they would support some of those ideas.

Yeah, obviously. You know, the Maga working class should have the, you know, the, like obviously it would fall apart pretty quick. Sure, but he could give people to believe some communist ideas. Sure. of the, like obviously it would fall apart pretty quick, but he could give people to believe some communist ideas. Sure. Jackson is using that populist argument that Alex is going to have a tough time getting passed just the beginning facade of it.

Like just Alex think that the noble Mago work in class shouldn't have all these benefits. Also, he must think class Schwab deserves them all. There's so many games and traps that Alex is not even seeing set in front of him. Yeah. What Jackson isn't taking into account is that this isn't an either-or situation. Alex doesn't want people like Claus Schwab and Bill Gates oppressing the working class, but he's totally fine with bosses oppressing the working class. Alex loves appeals to populism that create the image of his grand fight against multinational

corporations, but he's staunchly opposed to actually helping the workers of those companies. Consider this, he hates Amazon, but he doesn't support their workers unionizing? Jeff, it's not an either or. Jackson is fishing in a dry well here because his grifty brand of communism doesn't match with Alex's definition, and they're never going to be able to agree on the terms of this. Also, I really think that Jackson's putting on an accent. I've heard plenty of clips of him talking, and I do not work.

The Jackson? I don't, I don't remember, I'm sounding this much like a new Jersey kind of guy. Hey, I've just the doubt old guy. There's a clip of him talking from a few years ago. I'm a little regular. My name's Jackson Hinkle. I'm an organizer, I'm an environmentalist.

I'm actually the youth director at Chews, and I'm 19 years old, and I'm running for San Clemente City Council. Oh, God. A little different. A little bit of a different voice. Oh, boy. I think it's pretty obvious that he's doing

a Trump guy impression. Yeah. There's a real, a Trump kind of voice little that he's doing, and it's so impression. Yeah. There's a real, a Trump kind of voice lilt that he's doing. It's so transparent. Yeah. He's found the niche that we haven't seen for quite some time. The labor organizer who is against slavery only because it's fucking with labor. Otherwise, hey, no slaves here.

I mean, no slaves are fine. Just not here because we got unions. You know, I've got to impress black people. You want, no slaves here. I mean, no, slaves are fine. Just not here, because we got unions, you know? I've got to be a press black people, you want? No big deal. Unions are important for whites, you know? Like, that's what he's doing. It's been a while since I've seen that. There are elements of it.

And then there's also elements of what we, you remember how like, well, Hitler, he's so pissed on me. I remember Hitler. The workers part of the socialist workers party. He focused on that early. Oh, yeah, he didn't right It wasn't really that important. It seemed like it got replaced by something that he was a little bit more interested in that I'm not not to say that necessarily Jackson's a Nazi or anything like that. Sure, but there is that

That vibe it's not hard. It's not hard whenever a aristocracy plunders the working class for somebody to then convince the working class to get rid of the aristocracy, but that person was actually already part of the aristocracy and just creates a new aristocracy. But what if they put on a voice? Ooh, I like that.

Now I'm listening again, popularity contest winner. I just think this is so crazy. Yeah, I mean, I wish you could, I wish as a society we had one win. Like with a Jackson Hinkel, where somebody calls, oh, I'm a magickominist and society is a whole wins together and just goes, no. And he goes away. Yeah. But the attention economy doesn't work like that. If everybody dunked on him, that would only get him more traffic on social media. It's too much. Yeah. It's the algorithm. The algorithm has defeated us as a society. We don't need to worry about AI. We need to worry

about the fact that algorithms run what we see. You know, my favorite alarm singer was algorithm. So this next clip. This next clip. Yep. Alex asks what I would describe as a bizarre question about communism. All right. All right. Well, I've read Marx.

I've read angles. I've read Das Kapital. And you look at Koshwab. He says he's going to bring Marxist-Leninism through, but with ultra-rich stakeholders in control. No, are you that's not even close to how that work?

I'm a collectivist view on the top. And then it's actually distributed down to the people. But then I'm actually be done. I mean, I get now we have an amazing crony capitalist fascist model that's that's discrediting Americanism. So I mean, it get now we have an amazing crony capitalist fascist model that's that's

discrediting Americanism. So I mean, it's great. You call them American. The US government paid settlers for hundreds of years to go west and gave them quote, free land, but they had to fight for it and keep it and, you know, produce it. I wouldn't call that communism, but a very interesting idea, if you had like some computer, but who program is it to then, you know, distribute it down but then you have to distribute people that actually gonna produce with it where does the free market operate in that plan. Well, where does the free market operate in communism, Dan? I don't understand the question because there's a long preamble and a lot of places.

Okay, I don't get what don't you understand the question because there's a long preamble and a lot of places. Okay. I Don't you understand the computer? Okay, so if there was a computer that could allocate things But who who programs the computer who watches the watch computer? Literally what he say I Don't read capital. No Where's second where does the free market fit in with communism? No, but that is a fair question for him to ask because he's talking about a MAGA Communism.

So that is like, that's a fair point. That kernel of it is okay for Alex to be asking. It's not incoherent for him to be asking. Sure. The rest of it, the preamble, I don't know what's going on. I couldn't answer that question because I couldn't track it. I believe his question is, in the model you are describing,

how do we distribute things equally? Is that something that you're saying? No, because you want to know where the free market comes in. You are saying that there's a collective group at the top that distributes things among people, but where does the free market fit into it? If things are distributed and not purchased. I understand that you could ask that a lot better.

I agree with you. Also, considering I didn't do a good job of asking it, and I barely understood. Also, I want to be clear about like, Klaus Schwab. Yeah. And Alex does not understand what stakeholders mean and stakeholder capitalism. The thing that Alex is talking about where only the rich people matter is actually what we have now in the form of shareholder capitalism. The thing that Alex is talking about where only the rich people matter is actually what we have now in the form of shareholder capitalism. Yes. Klaus Schwab is proposing this different idea which is stakeholder capitalism which involves

you and me being stakes and having clean air. Sure. For example, we don't have shares in air cleanery. Right. For the companies that pollute the air. We do have stakes in the air. Exactly. Alex likes the current system where the rich people are all in control of everything, which is why demonizes any attempted promoting or discussing something different, just what's going on with Klaus Schwab. Yeah. Anyway, I don't know how I-

So where's the debate beginning? Isn't this supposed to be a debate? Where's the free market in this? It's another good question. It's not a debate. Okay. It's a confusing conversation. All right not a debate. Okay. It's a confusing conversation. All right, because I am confused.

Yeah. So I believe this is the answer to the question of the computer trickle down right as the free market. Computer trickle down communism, free market economics. Yes. Yeah. Well, I think you've drawn up a really good point before in that the world is run by Trotskis and people kind of struggle when they hear that they say really the world is run by Trotskis and people kind of struggling to hear that they

say really the same work by communist will kind of they're controlled by Trotskis as you put it and these are the most evils sick human beings on the face of the planet. It's the Clintonites. It's the Bushites. It's the world economic

form. It's Klaus Schwab. It's everyone who stands opposed to the American working class. Let me interrupt. I'm going to shut up. We have you back for five hours soon. But you're dead on the modern leftist movement and the modern neocomment hails to Trosky.

That is a fact and Trosky did not have the regular communist model. He had another model. So you're actually, that's true. So I'm impressed that these aren't just statements you're making. It's actually based in reality. What? Exactly. So it's probably worth noting that it's very common It's actually based in reality. What? Exactly. So it's probably worth noting that it's very common for anti-Semitism or

Adcommunism to be packaged as attacks on Trotsky. Yeah. This is a little bit of a code that Jackson's using and I find it interesting that Alex doesn't get into the differences between normal communism and Trotsky's version. There are definitely differences between Marx and Lenin's ideas of communism and Trotsky's, but I have zero faith that Alex could describe any of it. He has no idea this shit. He's so far over his head, he has no idea what the fuck is happening. I wish that, so here's my, here's my pitch. All right, scripts, spelling bee. Okay, you know the guy who does the definitions. Yeah. All right. So in this case, if you if you throw out something like what Jackson said, right, right? Trotskies. Yeah, yeah, then you should have

to have you should one have to ask for a definition, then you should have to spell it. And if you are wrong on either of those two things, think and then you're done. I think you got to go to the comfort. I have to assume the Jackson knows what he's talking about, at least term wise. I disagree. I think that the point he's making is, on, it doesn't make a lot of sense, doesn't know a lot of meaning,

but I think he does know the differences between different groups of communists and different ideas. He's done enough streams and conversations and debates that I have faith that he knows the difference is See that's what's interesting to me because that only makes me believe he has no idea what he's talking about more Well, unfortunately, I don't think that this conversation with Alex is gonna be able to prove it either way That is a good point because Alex doesn't know shit. And Jackson knows that. Well, he knows that much. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, you can't sharpen your sword on a limp noodle. That is true. Yeah. And I think that he knows Alex well enough to know that he has this whole thing about Trotsky ites. Sure. You know, all the Neocons were secret Trotskyites and all this.

So I think he knows that he can make this pretty solid appeal there. All right. And find their common ground. Okay. So he goes from talking about trotsky and then he pivots into a very dangerous bit of water. Okay. So I'm impressed that he's aren't just statements. He's making. It's actually based in reality. Exactly. Exactly. We might have, you know, not everyone's going to agree 100% of the time, but we agree on that. We know who our enemy is. And what I think is so incredible about what China

has done, you know, China has been able to mobilize their economy for the public good, but also increased production and the scale of manufacturing and America, we have a degrowth ideology that reigns supreme. Sure, but let's talk about, I'm stopping the company, but define a Trotsky eye versus

what you're saying a Gigi ping model. If Alex understood anything about communism and the subject he talks about, which actually make up the bedrock of his empty philosophy, he should not have to ask that question. It's painfully obvious the difference, or at least a major one, is that Trotsky favored a permanent revolution model of communism that was much more democratically focused, whereas China's model is far closer to that of Stalin, largely dictatorial, in nature. Trotsky was a real critic of Stalin, who had him murdered after he was exiled from the USSR incidentally. I didn't know because he got, he was out, he wasn't in any of those pictures.

Right. I didn't even know that the guy was there because he wasn't in any of the pictures, Dan. Yeah. Never saw. So I mean, that's a real fundamental and pretty real conflict between the idea of someone who had Trotsky idea and someone who was more

into the China model of communism. Sure. You could definitely say that is a concrete difference. That's a great way to answer this question. Sure. Here's how Jackson does. Okay. Well, the Trotskyites as you just put it, they want, they want a feudal society where a few people control all of the resources and all of the wealth. What we need is what, you know, I don't want to be China. I want to value. I'm a Christian.

I don't know if you're a Christian, but I value Christian values. And we need to recognize that our Constitution must reign supreme. We need to bring back free speech right now because the trots he has destroyed free speech by taking over big tech. But what China's been able to do

is they're lifting people out of poverty, 840 million people in the past 40 years.'re lifting people out of poverty, 840 million people in the past 40 years, they've lifted out of poverty. So if you don't like trusty, are you saying you're more of a Stalinist? 100% I'm an American Stalinist, 100%. Yeah. All right, keep going. Keep going.

That his answers are simple words, shit. This is just Alex insisting all of the GOP people he doesn't like are Trotskyites because Bill Crystal's dad like Trotsky. This just isn't meaningful analysis at all and it doesn't have anything to do with legitimate actual differences between what Trotsky believed and the form of government that exists in China, which is supposedly the question he's supposed to be answering. It's not difficult to tell what the most glaring difference is, but Jackson likes China. So he can't say the difference without losing Alex entirely because he does

not want a democratic system necessarily. Yeah. I mean, none of them do. But Alex's brand can't exist without a democratic republic. Yeah, with all the all. As Jackson's brand is far more fine with authoritarian dictatorship. They all are. Yeah, they all are. You can say that, but not all of their brands. I think half the time most of us are, just because, and I think part of what it is, is you can hear it in the way that Jackson's describing it, you know, that idea of, oh well,

what reign supreme right now is this, and what should reign supreme is the constitution, and the real issue that people are dealing with is that nothing rains supreme Nothing everything is fucking chaos the justice system can be used this way or that way the president can say this or not this Congress doesn't even do anything There's people who are fucking insane running everything Nothing rains supreme and so I think people would like something to read,

just something, just anything reign supreme. A God fine, if a God is a piece of shit, at least somebody's doing something. You know, and so I get where he's coming from with this idea of a dictator needs to reign and all that stuff, it's just real dumb. It's just real dumb. You got real into that, intersts.

You got real, you got you got it. Pretty heated. I just hate it whenever people are like, ah, here's what runs stuff. Mm-hmm. Fucking nothing. It's like you were mad at me, but I didn't do anything. You didn't do anything. It's Jackson's fault. Okay. Well, Alex has a different response. And also, Ace Ventura's fault. Sure. So Alex has a different response to Jackson, and that seems to be that he's bemused by him a little bit. Okay for now That's why I love Maga because again, Trump he might not get everything right But what the Maga movement stands for is taking back the means of the production for the working class

About taking control of production from the people to control us. Sure But communism never really delivers. I mean, China is still centrally planned. How are you saying it's taking the means of production away from the elite? Well, China is governed by the Communist Party, which has many different factions within it. They even have Jeffersonian Democrats in the Communist Party of China. But at the end of the day, Xi Jinping answers to the people of his nation.

And if he failed to do that, he'd be kicked out of power. Yeah, there are plenty of economy. That's why they're so successful. But America is a planned economy as well. And what people need to understand is a planned economy isn't a bad thing. The only thing that's bad about a planned economy is when you have it like in the United States or the EU or the UK, where they plan it for a handful of rich oligarchs to amass untold amounts of wealth while they censor and condemn the masses for not following their stated gender policies

or, you know, you're definitely right. The state planning of BlackRock is to make us all poor and literally euthanizes. So, but just because BlackRock is this globalist, fascist thing, then I don't, then look at, oh, the other choice is Stalinism. What is the other choice or so? I mean, like, I, you know, if you have an idea, you should, we could, we could put it forward and talk about it. But I think that, you know, really people need to grow

some balls and understand communism is the only answer for America right now. Okay. Linning said he was inspired by the American Revolution, and that's how he led his revolution. And I think we have a lot to learn from Stalin and from Xi Jinping. And you know, even what Putin is doing today,

I know he's not a communist, but he grew up in a communist era. He was a part of the intelligence, community, the KGB, and he carries that with him throughout his life today. The reason why China is so successful. Oh, let us shift here to geopolitics. Very interesting, it's all I can say. Very interesting.

This is Alex is in too deep. Yeah. He should be the master of shutting this down. You think this is a perfect opportunity for him to have an adversarial interview with somebody who's like, okay, you believe in a lot of the same stuff I do, the importance of white people, Christians, and men, it's society.

You don't like this gender ideology. You're so great on that stuff, but you're so wrong about communism. This would be the perfect opportunity for him, but he can't really do it, because he doesn't really know much other than communists bad. See, you said that we wouldn't get to the bottom of it

on this episode, but I feel like Jackson has just proven that he does not understand the meaning of the words that he is saying. Interesting. He understands the reaction that they get, but not like the meaning of the words that he is saying. Interesting. He understands the reaction that they get, but not like the meaning of the, like you can't just say, like, return the beans of the worker template. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.

Maga is all about that. That's what Maga is all about. It's all about telling people what to do. No, no, no. It's just to get it. All about workers workers rights for the Mago work in class. It's so annoying that all of this comes down to when I tell people to do something they don't do it. So I need a government to kill them for me. Or when I'm told that I should be respectful of other people, I get mad about. So I need a government to kill them for me. So, um, Alex and, uh, Jackson, don't see eye to eye on the matter of Israel, uh, vis-a-vis,

it's existence. No. Yeah. Why is that? Well, because Jackson doesn't think it should exist. Well, that's fair. And, uh, then they squabble a little bit about nuke. Sure.

How do you expect, because you've been a big critic of Israel? How do you, definitely, Israel has walked into a trap or knows they are. The West, the US is funding this. Where do you see this attempt? Or do you see as an attempt to trigger a holy war? I think that it's not so much an attempt to trigger a holy war.

I think you can look at the geopolitical dimensions of this and recognize that the the Arab states are worried about economic interests on their end. They're worried about losing the normalization of Israeli ties. And when it comes to the Palestinians and Hamas, they just want Israel to be gone. And personally, I think if the U.S. stopped funding Israel, which I think we should, I don't think we should give a single penny to Israel, Israel would cease to exist. If they didn't have the military backing of the United States and the taxpayer dollars flowing

to the tune of billions of dollars, Israel would cease to exist. As for the House. Let me say this, I don't agree with that statement. Israel has over 1,000 nuclear weapons, fighter bombers, bombers, and nuclear-equipped submarines, and they have the third largest IT facility in the world, and they got a bunch of smart people over there. If someone tries to make Israel not exist, they're going to take its nuclear war. Just like Russia, whether you love Russia or hate it, we can't keep you with Russia. They've got the biggest nuclear force. So I'm saying israel will cease to exist why are you saying that

well i think you have to understand that israel is a state truly only exists not because of the the new set of holes i think they're i think they're too cowardly to use nukes but i think you all what recognize this in fuck was that blood But you thought just have a list aren't ready to use you think Jews aren't ready to go to war and Decree what has happened? I would like to say It's very dangerous to Israel as nuclear weapons. I would see them as one of the What is happening to the Iranians to use it? They're completely in war mode foaming at the mouth And I'm not attacking them. I mean, just are you kidding me? I think that if you look at Israel's military,

they're an extremely casualty of verse military. And you have to understand that for a population that truly doesn't have any ties to the lands, they're already fleeing in record numbers since October 7th. I mean, you'd have, you've had a huge portion of the population. Yeah, but that's just the wimp sleeping. Whoa, Russia. They lost hundreds of thousands of trips. They got flesh in the game. They'll skin in the game, but keep going. Keep going. This has been an exercise in watching fireworks. It is. It is what in God's name are these

two idiots talking about so authoritatively. so fucking authoritatively they know that the stone are you fucking I think it's very cowardly not to use nuclear weapons what the fuck are you talking about yeah they don't have the great you're all insane if any of that makes sense to you I mean it makes sense to be on a sentence level well sure on the words, right, right, right. The words track into sentences. I suppose. Unlike Alex's question about the computer. Oh my God.

But yeah, that's a, it's like two really bad perspectives coming up against each other, but the bad perspectives are also counter to each other. I mean, yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, it's a dissonance. Dissonance. Yeah.

That's crazy It's it's fucking insane to hear people talk like that and not be like and like if we hear people talk like that The camera should pan out and they should be enclosed in a small room together and surrounded by Magneto's prison That's not no if there's no metal you you have this like agitation Comes from hearing this clip whereas I have kind of like the opposite I have like a feel like responding to either of you I feel like you both suck. I'll let you to argue. I mean I'm not interested in this argument about whether or not Israel has the

The bravery to I mean I mean the nuke people. Yeah, I get it But it's just like this is a conversation that makes me wish I had access to the Phantom Zone. Sure. I could just be like, ah, ah, there you go. Away we go. Yeah. I mean, obviously, I think that there's some troubling perspectives in there too, Jackson particularly. Sure, sure, sure. Alex, Alex should probably be more counter to the,

he doesn't think that Israel should exist. Yeah. Yeah, I think he should probably have some problem with him saying that the Israelis have no tie to the land. You think? I think that should be really offensive. I think a lot of people would find it that. I think a lot of people would, and even Alex should.

Yeah. Based on his his beliefs But yeah Nooks anyway, this is not the only military thing that they do not agree on and I wrote in my notes Alex is gonna flip his shit. Oh, yeah, where do you see Ukraine and they think China motion of Taiwan? I'd love it if China moved into Taiwan, but I think Ukraine is going to end however Putin wants it to end. I mean, that's, I've said that since February 24, 2022, there's no way that Ukraine has

any chance of winning this. They've lost probably four or five times more men than Russia has. All right, leaving Ukraine and Russia to the side because Alex is probably on the same page as him. Sure. Alex should throw something at him when he says that China should go into Taiwan. That's one of the crazier things I've ever heard. Alex, that's one of his big red lines.

You just don't do it. That's a sign of the end of the world. It's China taking Taiwan. It's one of the weirdest geopolitical things that is currently going on. And for anything to change the status quo on that one, might destroy all of us. And Alex is never more clear about anything other than that is absolutely no. Yeah. And so this is this is where it should be like, it should be an adversarial interview from the Maga Communist word go. Yeah.

And then when Jackson is saying, I like Xi Jinping. Alex should be like, hold on now. Sure. We're going to fight. Right. And then when he says, I think China should take Taiwan, it should be like, you fucking piece of shit. Like Alex, the way he responds to other people that he firmly disagrees with.

Sure. But it doesn't, it doesn't turn into that really, which is strange, but I think it's explained by the thing that Alex keeps bringing up, and that is that Jackson is super viral. Yeah. And he has a lot of juice that Alex could suck off. So maybe he doesn't have to quit. Right.

I mean, I think there's also a certain amount of just like, the idea behind Hankles' success is get people off balance before they start, trip them. Trip people, don't fight fair, trip people, sweep the leg. Like that's the idea. And so what is it that you are going, what battleground you're going to face him on will always change? It's procedurally generated. Yeah more so even than Alex's because he's got more different stupid places to go

Jackson can be like yeah fuck yeah, let's go into Taiwan Alex can't do that shit No, so Alex is already confused because he's like I think I kind of agree with maybe yeah We should rush ahead kill people all right, and, but then he can't react in the same way that he would like to. Yeah. Yeah. That's a lot of the strategy of the brand. Yeah, it's very annoying.

And again, everybody on this planet in society should have looked at it and gone, not today. I think a lot of people did. It just didn't work. Not enough. So Alex, instead of turning this into a very hostile interview, as he should. Which would be fun.

He decides to go the subtle route, which is a bad idea. And suggest that Jackson is on the Chinese payroll. Okay, I like that. You know, the big criticism of Elon Musk is doing a lot of good stuff now is that he won't criticize China. And people always accuse me of being on somebody's payroll. My listeners pay me and I say what I say or they support me. They support me. But man, I mean, if I sit back and like you're a smart guy, a good looking guy, you know, everything else. And people would say like, well, who

does this guy work for? Like, I mean, have you been to China or, I mean, you say you want Taiwan to get invaded? South China, see that we've got a war with them. I mean, there won't be a war. I mean, I've talked to Colonel Douglas McGregor, who was trying to figure out what you're talking about. And he painted the picture very clear for me. He said, you know, if China invades Taiwan and they don't try to do this through peaceful reunification, there's nothing that Taiwan or any of its proxies, including the US which controls the Taiwanese government can do. I mean, we're going to send a few of our Navy ships over there and then they're going to

get some of the Navy ships. So why would you love to see Taiwan invented? Well, historically, I mean Taiwan is China. I mean, that's how the US government categorizes Taiwan at the very moment. I mean, so wait, you support the US government, that's your, you're falling back on that. The government sees it as part of China.

So it is. If you are silly, silly man, if you're going to say historically comma, it's part of China. Mm hmm. All right. Then you have established that historically comma blank

is part of blank is now an acceptable response within any parameters. No, no, it's not yeah it is So also I love you just got a few Alex's get like blood boiling when he brings up a general and actually says his name Alex is like you do not fucking site generals on my show. Oh my I'd site generals and I never named them because they're not real. They're not real Hate these people for being stupid. Yeah, so anyway Alex is trying to suggest that he's on the payroll Well, he's obviously nah China China what what what do they have like what would happen? They have like police centers and universities and the like to like keep an eye on their own citizens Even if they're in a completely different country that will be crazy

Yeah, but I don't I don't think there's any evidence He's on the Chinese payroll. Oh, that's fair. I think there's probably just cool The weighted Cloud chase I think you're right Yeah, it works well without having to be on a payroll It's so cool to be a psychopath at once the end of the world.

Yeah. No, it won't happen according to Dougler, the general, oh my god, whatever his name was. No generals. No, they're idiots too. So I think Alex is starting to, he starts to get mad, or at least a little annoyed. Okay.

I'm against world government, the new world border and corporate governance. Are you? BlackRock is mainly ally with communist China. And so if the United States disengages internationally, it allows the Chai comms and others to now control this international umbrella that's transferred our money into it. So I want to get rid of world government,

I want to get rid of corporate governance and stakeholder capitalism and bring back free market, laws, they fare, um, Teddy Roosevelt type ideas. Hmm. But I, I, what, go ahead. I think that, uh, I think, I think that, you know, we all know the media lies. And if we know they lie about current events and what's going on right before our very eyes, we can all assume that they've lied 10 times, 100 times, a thousand times more about history. Okay. You like about that? You have people claiming that George Soros is somehow allied with communist China when he himself stated that China is the greatest

threat to his. He's a new Hitler, but he loved GCP until three years ago. I'm not aware of that. I just know that a couple of years ago, he put out videos, I'm saying China and GCP is the model. He'll see. He pinged across some of the 20s and Jackson. I can tell you smart guy. So I'm not talking down to you, but just don't talk down to us. Just because America's run by scum, doesn't mean China is good or Russia is good.

I mean, you obviously can understand grass bat, right? This is so similar in tone and theme to the Kanye interview. Yeah. This is a, hey, there's a game being played. You're not playing ball. Right. Yeah. There is a game and you're outside it.

And you're very clearly talking about me. Yeah. When you're saying people say that George Soros is aligned with the guy. That is me. I am the people who say that. I am all of the people who say that. All the people who say that say that because I am the people who say that. Now I had a clip of him saying this years ago and he's got double crossed.

And so now I have evolved the narrative. Yeah. You understand me? My storyline is different now. Get on the story, train the man. Let's go. Yeah. Oh boy. I would be annoyed too.

I'm very annoyed. Yeah. He's a very annoying person. He's not pleasant. But again, that's part of the brand. You know, you agitate people, you annoy them and it makes them post hateful things about you and that drives more attention to you, and you know, it's, you know, no bad press is actually now no bad press, you know? Oh, no bad press is the best thing that you can hit.

It used to be that statement wasn't really true. It was kind of ironically presented as though like, Ha-ha, you did want to be famous, and now this is what you get to go along with it. Yeah. And now it's like, ha-ha defeated you concept of irony humanity one irony zero so jackson brings up Alexander doogan and uh... alex of course famously gotten award from him after the twenty sixteen election where to you can called him the greatest american uh... man doesn't get right cried on Russian TV. How's Hinkle doing? Um, I think he read one of his books. Okay, and he likes Duke and because he loves Russia. He is a big Russia guy

So weird Jackson Hinkle loves the Putin. I just don't understand loving any country for any reason Just doesn't make any sense to me. He's it. You're insane. He does. It's all pretend. He loves it. Oh my god. Anyway, this doesn't go great. Okay. Bring up the doogan.

All right. Alexander Dugan talks about the great awakening versus the great we Alexander Dugan. Right. You and I both did the exact same thing. We both did the exact same thing. I'm not going to let him off the hook for that. This fucking fake, fake, exited prick.

All right. Let's start with the talk. Okay, that new gun. Not a chick. Fake, exented prick. All right, let's start with the top. Okay, we can start. Okay, okay, okay. Alexander Dugan talks about the great awakening versus the great we reset. And it's clear that there is a great awakening happening in a lot of these right populist movements inside of Europe. I just pray that they're successful and they can take it to the end of the, you know,

the touchdown line, the finish line. I'm trying to tack you, Jackson, heckle, but I've interviewed Dougan and I've been on other shows with him. And you said earlier, you don't know him a Christian, but you're a listener. I am a extreme Christian. I'm a follower of Christ. I meant to say orthodox Christian. I'm an orthodox Christian.

I don't know if you're an orthodox Christian. Well, I'm not waiting for the longs of the world. I mean, to say Orthodox Christian. I'm an Orthodox Christian. I don't know if you're an Orthodox Christian. I'm worth it. That's what belongs to the West? Dugan does not like the Atlantian model. I'm not an Atlantian, but I also think the West has things to offer.

I don't actually want war with Russia. Dugan believes there's going to be a war between sea powers and the land power and that Russia will come on top. But that doesn't. Actually don't want to have a supremacist view. I actually want to work with Russia. So you're here saying you want to unify the list, but you're mentioning intellectual

leaders of this stuff. I'm actually bringing you up what they're saying. So do you think Russia is going to win the war in America? Because I don't, I don't stand for that. I stand for America and Russia working together. Well, I mean, I've read a lot of Dougan's works and you know, especially his most recent works, he talks about how Trump is an

inspiring figure and how Trump should work to rebuild America. And he loves Trump and he loves the American people. So I don't know what you're referring to with that. But I think that do again is really interesting for a number of reasons.

I mean, sure, he might theorize that Russia is going to defeat the United States. But I mean, can you disagree when you look at Joe Biden and what this country is doing? It's just blue as daughter up and killed her. So the CIA never doesn't like him. Yeah. I'm not saying Dugin's bad guy. He's a patriot for his country and I think he's very intellectually honest and I think I think overall all the things that's what you think. I just I'm a nationalist. I'm not a globalist and I'm not an internationalist but at the same time I'm just tired of conflict with all these countries and all I was bringing up is that he believes that Russia's an existential struggle

And then America will be defeated. Well America's already being defeated by globalists that have conquered us So I don't think America is the globalist. I want to rid ourselves of them. I agree with you. Oh, they found agreement. I Find this a little silly. I Find it all very silly. Yeah. I honestly just think that Alex is maybe pissed that Dougan is using the exact same branding as he is as

evidenced in this next clip. If you read you know in his book The Great Awakening versus The Great Reset he talks about these inspiring populist movements that is the true great awakening that wants to read our countries of this deep state globalist cabal. I didn't even know I follow him.

So I don't even know he had a book called the right awakening. My new book is called the right awakening. I know. I know. I know because you all are on creative hacks. Yeah, you're all bunch of shit backs. Yeah. How many fucking books are called the great reset?

That was Alex's last book. Yeah. Now apparently everyone's writing the book called the Great Awakening, because that's where the grift is. That's where the scam has gone. That's where the attention is at. We're now looking for answers. Here's why I go back to Jackson and Alex both

have no idea what they're fucking talking about despite being on so many debates or whatever it is. It's like whenever you're in a conversation like this, especially between idiots like these, is when you're throwing around where it's like, I'm a nationalist, I'm a not this, I'm a this, I'm a not this, you're not actually saying anything. True.

You're giving the other person the opportunity to fill in the blank of what they think you mean when you say that word. That is true. In the same way that when when when Hinkel says I'm a the Trotsky Heights or Leninist or Communist or Marxist, it's not it has nothing to do with the specifics of any of those and everything to do with the person you're talking to filling in where they think that you're going. Right.

Right. Yeah. So this is fucking stupid. I think, I mean, I think we both reached that conclusion through slightly different roots, but yes, this is very dumb. This is, I don't know, there's a verpidity to it. Is that the thing I would? Yeah, verpidity is a great word. Okay.

You should use it more often. I should use it more often. So we have one last clip here. Okay. And I did not watch this the video. Uh-huh. But I imagine that what you're about to hear is Alex almost doing a spit take. Okay. This is now I'm in. I've not heard this kind of a response necessarily from him. I think when we there's a lot of people in the media and well-meaning people also just average people who have been have been lied to about what communism is because it is the greatest threat to the deep state and that's why they've lied about it for a hundred

plus years. Hold on, let's do 60 seconds. Oh, no, kid. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, see what this kid has to say. Get over here. That is the most like, wow. Gobby-dism is the greatest threat to the deep state.

That is the most, I remember being like eight and going to see my grandfather at a bar because that was the time when you could just do that. You could just walk in. And I remember my grandfather just being like, hey, come over here and say that stupid thing you said in front of my friends. That is exactly that sound.

Well, don't you gonna say that again? Yeah, yeah. This is also a very clear instance of Jackson talking about Alex. Yeah. Two Alex's face. Yeah. And Alex does not not understand that. A lot of people don't understand what communism is and have lied about or been lied to well-meaning people.

Alex, you're not bad for this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And Alex does not appreciate that. But at the same time, he has enough social media clout and shit that Alex is willing to have this kind of pretend repartee with him. And he invites him back to have like a commercial free Saturday shows. Yeah, you know, get real into it. And I mean, if they do that, I'd be interested in them actually talking about,

you know, maybe a little bit more depth to some of this. But the response you should have is violence. Yeah, absolutely. Out of 100%. Response so much more aggressively and violently to people who agree or disagree much less. Yeah. Then this, this is in a front to Alex.

Yes. What Jackson is bringing to the table. A great. And there are multiple instances that we were seeing where he's clearly talking about Alex to Alex. Yeah. Which would be fun. Sure.

But insulting. Well, yes, that's why it would be fun. Yeah. And Alex, yet cannot get over, I don don't know the star aspect of it or whatever the The cloud power or whatever because he he's not bringing himself to be like the fuck out of your kid I you're 23 year old jackoff I don't give a fuck about what you say when I started info wars. You weren't born. Yeah punk Do you understand I talk to G Edward Griffin before he was a gray beard.

Right. Do you understand me? I will say that. My dad was in the John Birch Society who was one of the smartest boys in Texas and the globalist who tried to recruit him multiple times. I was destined from birth by God to fight the devil. Fuck you, you little prick. Right.

But that's like the ultimate sales trick though like once you if you start off off balance and then all of those things that a person is normally capable of doing they're just always tip towing they're always trying to get balance is like wait wait you just said something that I completely don't agree with but I'm I mean I guess keep talking you know that's the ultimate sales trick. It's a sales tactic. It is 100% a sales tactic to just like start off on, now we're on my ground, you know.

The ultimate sales trick the devil ever pulled was convincing you there wasn't a 30% off sale auto super bell vitality. You know what? Actually, I'm not going to tell you the truth. What? The MSRP. It's actually lower than 30 percent of. Yeah, that's right.

He's losing money off of it. So yeah, I don't know. I think I was interested in seeing what this exchange was going to be like. And it was a little bit let down. Yeah. As is our want. I thought there was a couple of moments of real interesting bizarre. Like, this is happening

as bizarre. Yeah. The fact that they're talking about this stuff is bizarre. And then just kind of, just there's a feeling of punches being pulled, but I'm not sure they are. Right. You know, a couple of sincere actors having a conversation coming from the positions that Alex and Jackson are

in order for it to end up like this there would need to be punches pulled because otherwise they would have gone head on into this confrontation sure that is inevitable between their two ideologies right and instead it was kind of blah it was kind of fell flat yeah i mean i guess that's what it is when you, you know, like ultimately if you have two positions that you're, you know, two people unwilling to compromise on no matter what, then those positions must come into conflict and then what results is what we've got left

over. Right? Like, it is a, it is like a revelation of how little you care about your position. If you're standing next to somebody who is like, we must highland or duel to the death. And you're like, I think you know, you've got some ideas. I think China should invade Taiwan. Yeah, and you're like, well, I mean, but you like Russia? I don't know how you feel with man. I don't understand you.

I think like Alex would throw someone out of the studio if they're like actually there are a lot of vaccines that are pretty fucking good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, into the volcano you go, so I think Jada should take Taiwan. That's it. Yeah, you're an interesting guy. You got some interesting ideas. I think it really is just about like I know that you're in a scam environment. I know that's what you're doing Jackson. I know this is a grift, but listen up. You have a lot of followers and you get a lot of retweets and stuff and I kind of would like a little bit

of that gravity. So we're gonna try and get you into the same game that I play in the same way that he's trying to massage Yeah into into the game and I just I don't know. I don't think it's gonna work Yeah, you know, it's the thing about the Sith taking an apprentice, right? The apprentice always tries to kill him Yeah, always 100% of the time and that's not a good job And that's something that I actually think I Loathes himly respect about Jackson.

About the Sith. Them too. No, but Jackson, like he has to know how desperate Alex is right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how much he needs someone to fill Owen's shoes. Yeah. He could easily have like ignored some of his actual positions gone along sucked up like crazy and been hired that day

Yeah, it didn't for wars. Yeah, yeah, if he wanted to he could have done that and probably taken over the entire show I mean just just Alex having a Well, I mean it think about it like this for Alex as far as a business goes For think about it like this for Alex as far as a business goes for Bubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbubbub You know, like a different continuum. I actually, you know what, here's what's not really fair about that. What? I bet there's some stuff on Band-Dot video that's different than what Alex believes. There's enough like ding dong channels with like 100 views on their videos that I'm sure there are some people who believe things that are polar opposite about.

Yeah, I mean, but Alex probably believes that ants have some ideas that he doesn't agree with too, and he doesn't care. You know, like that kind of the way he treats people who don't have a million views on stuff. Oh, wouldn't be so sure. He's chill with ants. That's a good point. That is a good point. No, I think, I think if that would be a way

for Alex to have two shows, is have somebody who is a maga communist. He would lose his support from the audience by having him, how host one of the shows, I think, I think that having a communist on his network would, uh, I would take that bet. At this point, yeah, fuck yeah. Right? That's what I'm saying. Yeah.

Why weren't you taking that bet? Yeah. I mean, you're falling apart anyway. Yeah. Why not? It's a great bet. But see, that's the thing that I'm saying about Jackson, is that like, he could have done that

and yet stuck to his, uh, his brand. True. And there is something to be said for that in as much as like, he's not compromising for the sake of very easily, you know, coming in and fucking with Alex is shit. And that's why Alex should hire him.

You know what? I'm sold. It's not gonna happen. It's good the should hire him. You know what? I'm sold. It's not gonna happen. It's good the paper we're going. It's too good an idea for it to happen. Well, we'll see. We will see if Jackson comes back for a nice little Saturday. Oh my god.

It's some point. I hope he hosts the fourth hour. Oh, yeah. Give him that on Benjamin's vlog. But, you know, we'll be back. Until then, though, we have a website. Indeed we do. It knowledge fights. I come Yep, we're on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at an allegendisc our fight. Yep, we'll be back

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