Knowledge Fight - #88: The 2015 Investigation Ends

Episode Date: October 2, 2017

Today, Dan wraps up his investigation into why and when Alex Jones decided to join up with Team Trump. Most of the questions have been answered. Then, Dan and Jordan have a very bizarre conversation about the state of the world.

Andy and Chanzos, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. That is pretty much what we do. Is there, uh, is there like a, uh, uh,

oh man, like a, a turn, like a hard turn? Are you trying to come up with another word for twist? I think so, yeah. Yes, there is. And that is, I know a lot about Alex Jones. I don't know anything about Alex Jones. That is true. Uh, today, Jordan, we will be going over the, uh, what I'm going to call, and I might be not totally correct about this, but I'm going to call this the end of our 2015 investigation.

Through a combination of discoveries and complete and utter exhaustion from doing this stupid story. It's not exhaustion. Uh, I could, I could do this forever, quite frankly. That's scary. That's a scary thing you just said. It is, but at the same time, if you really look at it, the, wow, we've been doing this investigation, which is now on its 20th installment. That can't be true. It is. I refuse to believe that 20th installment of this investigation.

We've learned so much about Alex Jones that has nothing to do with Donald Trump. We've learned tons about his civil war revisionism. Right. We've learned. Did you just start the last episode of a Ken Burns documentary? In honor of the Vietnam documentary. Yeah. So no, the thing is we, we've learned a ton that we never expected to learn. We didn't expect to see all of these pro Russia sentiments. We sure didn't expect him to see, to see him be debriefed by the Russian. None of this intelligence services.

It's, it's entirely insane. And I enjoy that these little things that we pick up along the way and then we learn. And so I am going to, I believe, I think that what comes next after this, I think until the end of 2017, we need to keep investigating to try and figure out when he loses his mind. Okay. Because at the end of this, he still hasn't quite lost his mind. Right. Right. Right. And I think that that comes probably pretty quick.

Him starting to scream all the time and all the, you know, Renaissance 2.0 shit. Yes. Yeah. I still think we should do that until the end of the year. And then the investigation will take a harsh pivot. And I want to go over starting in January, the entire year of like 2013. Okay. Just jump back further in time or even farther back, if I can figure it out, and then try and cover the month of January in January, month of February, February.

I got it. I've put it together. An investigation, an aimless investigation through the past of Alex Jones. Your optimism on us reaching January is delightful. It's a two months. Yeah. I don't know. We'll see. Anyway, that's the, that's sort of my plan. We'll see what happens. Three months.

I have another plan though. And that is what's your other plan to give a shout out to our new Donator. What's going on out there, Antoinetta? I'm a policy wonk. Very thrilled to have Antoinetta joining up with the policy wonk ranks. It is delightful to hear your name, Antoinetta. Absolutely. She is someone who used to love the Degrassi breakdowns on First Point. Oh, okay.

And it's super thrilling to have her back on board. I thought she used to love Henry VIII. No, I don't, I don't believe that's the same person. I don't know what you're doing. I don't know what you're doing, man. But thank you, Antoinetta. We really appreciate it. It means a lot to have you back on board. But before we get into today's installment, which will be covering primarily three days

in December of 2015, we have December 16th, which I think is the hinge. And then December 29th, which is an absurd set piece. Okay. It's another one of those episodes where Alex Jones is clearly doing drama. And then December 30th, which I think is our closure. Before we do that, here's an out-of-context drop of Alex Jones. At all, Hitler, Joseph Stalin, they got their hands dirty. Both those guys were complete badasses, complete studs.

They were complete studs. Like he's talking about a football team, like, oh, those dudes, they could shore up the offensive line so good. They were just fucking studs. That's not great. Your blind side, you want Stalin covering your blind side. Do you know why? Because he made people blind. That's what Stalin did.

Hitler, Hitler, you got to have front and center. He's got to distract. He's got to take all of those people. Mao, Mao's quarterback and that shit. Mao's got the highest body count, yo. 28 TDs and four interceptions last year. Chairman Mao could toss it. You see, Hitler, that guy's got cardio for days.

This guy can just go. He ran a 4-3-4-0. It's crazy. At his weight? Mao. That's crazy. He's fucking insane. And I assure you, even in context, not great.

In context, he's just talking about how the globalists get other people to do their bidding, whereas Hitler got his hands dirty. He's a badass. Yeah, so I don't like that. No. And let me explain very quickly why. It seems to be making really...

Hitler was a genocider. Right. I don't think you want to associate that with positive. And I believe Stalin could be in that camp as well. Oh, he's got a higher body count, my friend. Yeah. Oh, God. It just less ethnically motivated

and more billionaire motivated. Sure. Once again. Alex is really dumb, is what I'm getting at. I think that's what we're finding. I mean, that's stormfront shit. But Andy... It's not that he's really dumb.

It's that stormfront people are always idolizing the genociders. Well, Andy is a boner for strong armed dudes. He has a boner for authoritarian dictators. Absolutely. Even if he does... But he loves freedom and prosperity. Right. Whenever he talks about how much he loves these dudes,

or that they're studs in this case. I don't like that. They'll just walk it back with like, nah, I'm not saying he's a good dude. And the same way now when he talks about terms, like, Trump's not perfect. Right. You know, it's the same fucking thing.

He wants authoritarian rule. Yeah. But it has to be on his terms. Right. That's what we get to do. Even though he has no idea that it will in turn eat him alive. Oh, 100%. These people are so fucking stupid.

You know what? Read one history book. Authoritarian regimes are not loyal to their propagandists. No. They get killed every fucking time. You go off the reservation a little bit and you're in a ditch. I don't understand how stupid these people are. It's pretty crazy.

And they think that they're fighting against the very thing that they're pushing themselves towards. Of course. It's fascinating. Of course. Human beings and our psychology is spectacular. And it's going to get us all killed. So that's nice.

It's very depressing. Mass extinction events are pretty regular. So I think we're all right. You know what my favorite mass extinction event was? Or my favorite extinction level event was? The Buster Rhymes album. ELE extinction level event. It's great.

As the great song with mystical. Is they getting rowdy with us? Is they wiling with us? Haven't heard mystical in a long time. Yeah. Because he was serving a long time for aggravated rape. I don't want to talk about that. He's a monster.

But he and Buster Rhymes had that song where they saw who could rap faster on ELE. That's a pretty significant competition. Throw Twista in there. Holy shit. Oh, absolutely. Anyway, let's get to the episode. We're going to start today on December 16th, 2015.

On December 15th, there was the final Republican debate, the primary debate. And here is Alex opening up the show, giving a little bit of assessment. Ladies and gentlemen, I've watched all the Republican presidential debates this year. Congrats. I've covered them live on the air with the crew.

But last night was undoubtedly the most revealing. It was not one of these canned, mindless debates we've seen. The last few election cycles, a lot of key stuff came out. The fact that a lot of Republican neocons want World War III and are completely unstable and insane. I mean, even Hitler and Stalin didn't talk about launching giant wars publicly. Let's be clear. They did.

That's really wrong on so many, all the levels. They did. And this isn't even the conversation where he calls them studs. Oh boy. He brings them up all the time. Oh, not good. They just did it. They didn't talk about giving other countries bloody noses

or blowing up superpowers aircraft. This is pretty much what they campaigned on. This is John Kasich in the debate says that we need to punch Russia in the nose. Right. But he was speaking metaphorically. And was he? Well, his argument was that we've let them get away with too much and they're being unchecked.

And he has an argument now, certainly. Certainly hindsight is interesting. So hold on to just bizarre behavior. And Rand Paul really shined in my view last night. I thought he did a great job overall. I thought he spent too much time attacking Donald Trump, which is not a good move for him, obviously, with the electorate. But overall, he brought up a lot of really good points.

It was very aggressive. Defended internet freedom. Talked about how well if you want World War III, elect Governor Kasich or elect Governor Christie, really powerful information came out yesterday. We've got a bunch of clips. Doesn't play very many. I was going to say there's no way he plays a lot of those plays.

A couple of them. And it's interesting because he plays a number of them where they're like Trump and Jeb just sort of going locking horns. And one of the that's such a sad thing to remember. It is never had a chance. No, but you know what's really fascinating? What? Jeb was getting like applause breaks like crazy.

Yeah. When he was attacking Trump, like he told Trump, he said, you can't insult your way to the presidency. Ha, he was wrong. He was wrong. But he was so wrong. But the place you can even insult your way to death. The place went crazy.

Everyone was like, they were like, yeah, man. All right. Yeah. Well, I mean, Trump hadn't yet seated all of his public appearances with his own people. Well, there was that's part of it. And then I think also there was a part that was like, I think they were cheering for blood as opposed to cheering for Jeb. Oh, absolutely.

But the optics of it, the way Alex Jones plays the clips, it really looks like everyone is into Jeb. Yeah. Which kind of is weird for his narrative. I think you're I think you're absolutely right. It's just basically a blood sport. Yeah. The Republican debates were a fucking horrific nightmare of idiots yelling

bullshit at each other and just lying through their teeth. And then they get applause breaks for being like, Jeb Bush wants to raise taxes on poor people. No, that's not true. You do. I want to raise taxes on poor people. Hooray. It's stupid.

Yeah. So in that clip, even he said that Rand Paul shined, which is what we would expect from him because he loves Rand Paul. Did Rand Paul shine? No, but I don't remember Rand Paul ever shining. I'll give you a spoiler alert. The only reason that he says that Rand Paul shined is because Kasich and I can't remember who the other one was,

but someone else in the debate said negative things about Russia. And Rand Paul said, if you want to elect someone who will bring us to World War Three, you've got your candidates. Right. But he was just basically saying, hey, let's not attack Russia. Yeah. And so that's what Alex Jones is saying, shined. That's the only positive thing he has to say about Rand's appearance in this debate.

That's so suspiciously weird. Very weird. It's going to get weirder as this episode goes along. Crazy. Because there, when I tell you about what happened during this set piece, I think it's going to blow your mind. All right. Even based on everything that we already know.

Okay. I think December 29th might be one of the craziest things I've ever heard. Now I'm excited. So before we get there, we have to get to why Alex Jones thinks that Donald Trump did spectacularly in this debate. And it has to do a lot with this. Because he's got a big swing. So the point is, is that Trump is planning to use 9-11 truth on Jebi.

Jebi. And I told you that, and I've told you that before Trump did it, and I've told you that after Trump did it, because I've been told by little birdies that this is the case. And let me tell you something. I went from really liking Trump to really knowing he's for real last night in this guy. Oh, there it is. Now he's for real, though.

He's so fucking simple. Alex is so fucking simple. He's the easiest person to fucking fool. Granted, apparently it took a while. But I can't imagine how easy this was. It was. This entire time. He's using 9-11 truth or to, uh, to attack Jeb Bush.

I love it. Yeah, this clip. We should elect that guy. This clip isn't over. I'm sure he'll do a great job. This clip isn't over. But like you get the sense that like someone around Trump was probably just like, Hey, throw a couple of bones.

Yeah. Alex Jones will fucking love you if you just say a couple of crazy things. And he's like, Oh, I kind of believe those crazy things. Yeah. Or easy, easy money on that one. Yeah. In my gut, not perfect, a loose cannon in some respects. Can we get out of your bag?

He isn't actively evil against this country, which is a big difference from Jeb Bush and Hillary who are true agents of evil. Whenever, in fact, I want to find this clip. It's in their whole exchange. Whenever Jeb Bush looks at him and says, you will never be president. I don't think he ever finds this clip. I don't think he ever said that. No.

And he cuts out a little friendly boy. Hey kids, get in my white van. I got candy. Oh, hi. I'm the friendly little old man. Oh, hi. Oh, people hate that. Because they know it's fake.

He cut out of that. And he goes, listen, you probably just found the clip typing in. Jeb Bush tells Trump he will never be president. He goes, you will never be president. And that's because they own the fraudulent delegates and his people are bragging. We don't care if we have one percent of the vote. He will get the nomination in the broker convention. They are bragging about this.

No, they're not. And that did not happen. No, it didn't. Isn't that kind of cute? All it. Oh, we were so, we were so innocent back then. All it took was one bad video to destroy Jeb. I mean, he wasn't doing great before that, but that was a death blow.

I mean, do you remember the police clap? That's what I'm talking about. That's what killed him. I mean, he wasn't doing good before that, but that was like. So sad. So sad. It made me feel awful for a war criminal. Yeah.

And when I'm watching this debate, like on Alex Jones' show, watching the coverage of it and hearing Jeb Bush say like, this guy isn't serious, right? Like talking about Trump, like this is not a serious proposal. He's talking about banning immigrants from our country. That's just not, that's not something a serious person would do. He has no policy experience. Right.

He gets his experience from television. 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:11,680 What are we doing? I'm like, man, I hate you, but you're the hero here. Yeah, unfortunately. You're the anti-hero. You're the Walter White of this debate. Walter White of this debate.

You know, it's just like, what the fuck? It's a very conflicted headspace to be in to be like, I don't like any of these guys, but man. I mean, it's amazing that more people say it until you remember that our media is fucking off the rails. Like the whole reason that they wanted him to stay in is because he was great for ratings. Like Les Moonves from CBS said he's bad for the country,

but he's good for us. Like that whole thing. I'm starting to think that billionaires are horrific, monstrous people who don't care about how many poor people die in the fucking streets. I'm starting to think that they don't fucking give a shit about 3.6 million Americans in Puerto Rico, which I don't even think we should be fucking saying.

It shouldn't matter that they're Americans. We should be sending people at fucking everywhere because we spend $800 billion on our fucking military. Why not just move a little bit of it elsewhere? But no, instead it's fucking let people die of thirst. Yeah. Die of thirst in 2017. Damn.

I don't want to get into it. I mean, just because it's like everyone else, look, I'm not uncaring and I support all sorts of relief efforts and all that stuff. But quite frankly, I think that there are tons of organizations that do a much better job of covering stuff like that. Oh, absolutely. So I don't want to get into that.

Except for the fucking corporate media who is like, who's Trump feuding with now? He's a fucking killing people. He's not feuding with anybody. He's a murderer. He is a direct murderer. And I hope my here's my dream. Do you want to know what my dream fantasy is now?

What? I imagine that the FBI investigation for Mueller, somebody working for it, realizes that they're just going to pin it on a patsy and they go crazy. They're like, no, we can't do this shit anymore. And then they go assassinate Trump. That's my dream scenario. Well, I think that's problematic for us.

I mean, you're now playing into Alex Jones' hands. Oh, the world is over. It's already over. But look, at least let me enjoy a little bit of it. Let's take just a quick second to have an on air show meeting. Alex Jones believes that everybody who's against him wants to or fantasizes about Trump being killed. Optically, we're Alex to find our show and then hear that,

that reaffirms his belief. Do you understand? What does it matter? There's nothing that's going to shake up his belief anyways. That's fair. There's nothing that's going to, yeah, even if we don't say that, he's going to say that we did say that. I don't like it.

So I might as well say it. I don't like the idea of you fantasizing about assassination though. I, oh man. So many people I fantasize about being assassinated. I honestly think that's a little bit negative. I understand. I know you think it's a little bit negative for me to fantasize about somebody holding a beheaded Koch brother,

aloft on top of a mountain screaming, I have control. But sometimes you just got to do what you got to do. All right. Knowledge fight does not support this. As a show, we don't, we don't fully support the views that are being espoused. No, I agree. It's, it's a bad, it's a bad thing to put out in the open.

Well, yeah. I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to say that I, I don't want, I want Trump gone, not killed, but gone. I want him out of power. He's fucking up everything. But I don't know. Let's, I want them all in jail. They should all be in jail.

Yeah. And they're all, they're all thieves. They've all stolen so much money from us. They've all, they've all contributed to the deaths of thousands of people. And thankfully, that's not going to happen. Yeah. That's great. So let's get back to this here debate coverage.

Okay. We've already heard some pretty positive things about Trump, but he also started the show by saying that Rand Paul shined. And I think I've isolated the exact. He wears less makeup than Trump. So he actually does reflect light. That could be what he's talking about. Yeah.

I found the exact moment, I believe, where Trump took over in Alex's mind and Alex flips the script on Rand Paul. Okay. And I think it's right here. And Trump's going after her for it, saying she killed hundreds of thousands of people in Syria and Libya, which she did. Again, for every bad thing Trump says, he said a couple of things. He says 15 or 20 really revolutionary things.

That's why I'm saying I like him and I see him walk back statements that he says off the cuff when he's, you know, being a tough guy. Like kill the families or we got to shut off parts of the internet to the terrorist. Those can be misconstrued, obviously. And he walks. Just like he says, oh, bring the refugees in. Oh, you know, it's terrible. What's happened to them?

And then he realizes they're not being screened. He goes, no, no, no, don't let him in. And oh, now you're the biggest devil in the world. I'm just trying to be fair about Trump here and not just mindlessly jump on this. Wolfpack shark pack attack that is so sexy and so cause celeb dumb move by Rand Paul. To keep attacking Donald Trump last night. When he's way down in the single digits. Ted Cruz is smart.

Rand, you ought to look at what he's doing. And I like your know, I know you're for real. No, I know you're a gentleman. You started taking the gloves off last night when it came to World War three and stuff. And Russia attacks on the internet. That was a legitimate attack on Trump. But, you know, saying he's a cook and a nut and all this stuff. That's what they say about you.

They want you to, you know, come out in bad mouth. Your father, I know full well some of the folks you got working for you do that. Differentiate yourself from your father. Your father is George Washington material in my view. And you know that. And your dad brought you along and you believe everything your dad believes. They don't like you because they know that, Rand. They know you trying to moderate is not for real.

Just be yourself and you can become president next year. Enough of a rant on that subject. So let's go back to Jeb Bush. More fun to talk about Jeb Bush. Wow. But I mean, I think they're the cracks are showing. He's cracking on Rand Paul. Absolutely.

Stupid of you to attack Trump. He's defending Trump as opposed to Rand Paul. As opposed to supporting Rand Paul. Yeah. Well, no, he's, he's def, he would rather defend Trump than defend Rand. Exactly. Exactly. And the, uh, the like, Hey, why are you calling him crazy?

That's what people say about you. Yeah. That's a big, that's big. Yeah. He even said Ted Cruz is smart, which is something that you only say whenever your guy is failing a way that you didn't know is possible. Right. And to see the extent that he flips on, uh, on Cruz once it comes down to just Cruz and Trump.

Right. It's, he's, he's selling all of his allegiances. I blacked out the moment that he said Ted Cruz is smart. That's fair. I lost. I, my eyes went red. That's the equivalent of a Mickey. Yeah.

Get hit with a Mickey. Oh man. So in this, in this next clip, we see the first kernels of Alex Jones's insanity, uh, his Trump insanity start to emerge. And I think you'll see where it is. This is, uh, in a, uh, he has Kit Daniels, one of his reporters, uh, on, uh, to talk about what he thought about the debate. And, uh, we see one of the cool buzzwords make it's probable, probable first appearance,

I believe. Oh no. Kit Daniels, your take on the situation. Well, this whole, uh, debate is a microcosm to how the establishment is completely losing the narrative. I mean, I generally like Donald Trump, you know, as a libertarian, I do have some concerns about some things he says, but let's not lose focus on the fact that he's pulling the overton window towards liberty.

I've honestly in research and history, I've never seen anything like this since the Revolutionary War, as far as the free flow of information and how, uh, we see a, uh, with a super populist like Trump showing up. Sorry, go ahead. The elite don't like what he's saying or doing. He is moving the debate way back towards 1776. The needles going from 1984 to 1776. Big time, right?

So there it is. There it is. That's our 1776 2.0 in action. Well, he hasn't made it 2.0. Hey, he said it twice though. Yeah, but multiply the two together. That's fair. Or add the two together.

But he's calling easy voking 1776. And granted, that is sort of a catch phrase that he has in terms of like the answer to 1984 is 1776 or when he told, he was on Pierce Morgan, he yelled at him that 1776 will commence if you try and take our guns. Like that sort of stuff, he does bring up 1776 a lot, but this is the first time I've heard him reference Trump, uh, in relation to 1776. Yes, of course. And that's big.

That's monumental. Right. Knowing what we know about the future and how he's like, he is the new George Washington. Right. All that stuff. So that is the beginning of that narrative starting to take shape. Oh, I should also say that, um, Trump was on Alex Jones's show before this. Yes.

He came on at the beginning of December. I believe it was December 1st. And the reason I don't have any clips of that is because we've all, everyone's heard the clips, the big ones that people attack him with that are like Trump saying your record, your record is spotless. You're amazing. Your reputation is amazing. Yeah.

Yeah. The reason that I don't, I didn't care to include a lot of that is because that episode is really just star fuckery. Like Alex being like, I can't believe Trump would be on my show. Yeah. Yeah. About, it's very celebrity worship heavy. Call it a celeb, if you will.

Right. And then two days later on December 3rd, he's like, I don't know about Trump. I still love Rand Paul. And so even just him being on the show immediately doesn't really change anything. Which we thought would absolutely change everything. I think it does in subtle ways. I think his mentality starts to lean much more towards Trump when he realizes like, Oh fuck, he would come on my show.

Right. You know, like, he must be against the globalist. He's saying all these crazy things that I love, but I don't think until after this debate, it really crystallizes. And I think a large part of that is because like he's bringing up 911 truth. Right. He's yelling at Jeb Bush on stage. Which is fun.

It is fun. He's living vicariously through Trump. It is. And I think he's just gotten to a point where the, it's like, why am I fighting this? Rand Paul is crazy. He's not going to do what I want him to do. Right. His heart is pure, but he's a loser.

We're in a rom-com. That's what's going on. He's been in a long relationship with Rand Paul. Rand Paul is very reliable, says a lot of the things he likes. But guess what? There's this flashy new lady. Now. She's coming from fucking big time New York and she can't, she can't juggle both her job

and running for president. Now. So she gives off all of her responsibilities to her kids and it's time for her to fuck. And who's there? Who's there for her? Alex Jones. Now, if this is a traditional romantic comedy, which I like this pitch, the third act has to be Alex coming back to Rand Paul.

Oh, of course. And realizing he was wrong all along. Yeah. I got seduced by the big city guy. Oh yeah. I'm a down home country boy. Rand, I should have never left Kentucky. Absolutely.

This guy's from New York. So once Trump is impeached, then. Then we go right back to Rand. But then Rand's got to reject Alex Jones for not seeing through it until it was too late. No, I don't think so. I think Rand's got a big heart. He's dumb. He's a down home country boy from Kentucky.

And it's like, well, do you really want to be sidled up with the high profile Russia connected guy who ended up winning the presidency is probably going to get indicted for it? Or do you want to go with the down home pure libertarian guy who you love, who's also suspiciously connected with Russia? Which one do you want? You go with the under the radar guy. Yeah. I think that's the smart one.

Safe choice. So I'm bringing up Russia. I just heard whenever he says like, you know, as a libertarian, there are some things Trump says that I don't trust where it's like libertarian and conservative and Republican. These just don't mean anything. No. All these people really want is to watch whatever liberals wanted or did to crumble. Yeah.

That's it. They just don't fucking care. Liberal tears. Yeah. They don't have any belief system or any ideology. They're just looking for anything that liberals want. Yeah. And they're trying to destroy it.

And that's why the Trump movement, whether you want to call it alt-right, alt-light, any of that nonsense. Nazis. Whatever it is. Well, not all of them, but some, yes, certainly. The reason that that organization and that movement appealed so much to the internet trolls of the world is because of that. It's not about productivity.

It's not building up anything. It is just about this cruel destruction in a lot of ways. Absolutely. And that's what those online communities are really into. That's it. They're into needling and hurting people. Yeah. And that's why.

It's the 4 Chain Gamergate. All they, they don't care about games or ethics and gamer journalism, which what the fuck is that? I don't know. They care about destroying some young woman's life because it gives them a sense of satisfaction. Not just one. Oh yeah. Turns out, anyway, Russia came up in my last sort of rant there. And here's, here's a little, here's a little thing about Russia.

Oh boy. Here is part of the incredible exchange with Kristi Kasek and Rand Paul. And this is the most powerful exchange of the night. Rand Paul, I think pretty much wins the debate. Trump in second place because of this statement right here about World War three. Remember, we're attacking Russia blowing up Ukraine. Russia just responds very calmly, very lovingly with sanctions against Turkey and stuff where he lovingly say, let's kill Russians.

I mean, this is foaming at the mouth. Bloodthirsty Piranha behavior that you see out of ISIS. Here it is. So they, they go into like the clips of Kasek saying we should punch them. Yeah. And Chris Christie saying that very, very bloodthirsty like ISIS. Oh yeah. Chris Christie is saying that if they shoot down or if they fly in no fly zones,

we should shoot down their planes because that's what a no fly zone is. I don't understand. Right. Are you saying that we should follow through on some sort of threat? Yeah. And Alex is against no fly zones because he's like, it's just a way to start a war with Russia. And I don't want to unpack that. That very well might be the case, but at the same time, these aren't like bloodthirsty cries

for war. They're more like, we need to have some sort of reasonable pushback. Otherwise they're only going to continue creeping forward. Yes. As we have seen in, in the Ukraine. Yeah. Whenever they just go, this house is ours now. Yep.

Russia, Russia's house. Yeah. Well, that, that, I mean, that's not even just, you know, isolated to Ukraine. That's a lot of other. That's true. That's a lot of other. That's pretty much the entire Soviet block. Yeah.

So I think that what this demonstrates is that he's turning on Rand Paul a little bit in as much as he's lashing out at him in favor of Trump. Right. Also Rand Paul has a semi. Right. Rand Paul has won this debate. I think that's meaningless because all he's saying is he's pushing back against criticisms of Russia. Right.

Which is like, okay, great. Oh, the only people who run the, who won the Republican debate was the American people. Absolutely. I think we got everything we wanted out of it. So other than this, I mean, there's, there's a number of things that come up in the, in the meantime before we jump, but, but a lot of it is really not even worth covering. It's all so repetitive. There's all just nonsense like pro-Russia sentiments, anti-Muslim sentiments, anti-immigrant

stuff, Hillary bashing. It's just, it's a greatest hits album. It's a slog from the middle of November where we last left off on our investigation to December 16th and even December 16th up until December 29th. A lot of it, now granted that second period is a little bit more exciting and a little more entertaining than the November, mid November to December 16th. Right. Like in a hockey game.

Right. It's, it's the third period of this first playoff game, I guess. But like, you understand, it's just, I could, we could spend the next six months talking about how Lord Moncton loves Russia too. Or, you know, these various other things that I've discovered along the way. Well, I, I'm sure that he wasn't invited to Paris. He was. What?

He was. But I remember Alex Jones telling me he wasn't. Nobody was. Oh, okay. Alex learned that in the middle of that clip. Yeah, but I only remember the first time he tells me something. Not whenever he corrects himself. The headlines.

Yeah. So we jump now to the 29th and I have a lot of theories about what happened on this show. I don't know how to lay this out. So I'm just going to go ahead and play this first clip. He was confused that his advent calendar went all the way to the 29th. That's not it. Okay. That's not the confusion.

There's a big narrative going on and it's, this is going to be very difficult for us to entwine. Okay. But I have a theory. I have a guest who's one of the top people tracking ISIS in Turkey joining us. We have been hit with a wide scale across the board attempt to take over info wars and different accounts today. We'll tell you about the hack attack when we come back after the special report.

It's ongoing right now. So I'm going to just come out and tell you I don't think this attack happened. So there is a hack attack on info wars. That also can happen in a hockey game. Right. Right, right. As opposed to a basketball game, which would be a shack attack. I don't believe this attack happened.

I think. What is he saying that there was members trying to get taken over? Let's get into it. He gives the details a little bit. Not many details and no evidence. The only evidence is an article that went up on info wars.com that was later taken down. And my theory on it is they got some bad intelligence, wrote a shit article, got embarrassed, took it down and this entire hacking narrative is bullshit to use as cover and to validate the

guests that they have coming up, which will play out throughout the next couple of clips. But I think Occam's razor tells me that's the case because the next day, Alex does not bring up this again. Nope. Even because if it was a real hacking, he would have spent the next two years on it. He would have had David Knight host the show. Oh, of course. And he doesn't even talk about it in the second hour of the show.

Jesus. He just moves along like, all right, well, Hillary sucks. That's not how a human would behave. And then he would even reference it later on to show how much he's being attacked all the time. Absolutely. We even got hacked a while back. Do you know who that was? We thought it was Bob, but it's actually the government.

He is going to get into some suspects. Oh, yeah. And it's troubling. Info wars is under sustained attack across the board from our Facebook accounts to our Twitter accounts to our passwords into info wars to other attacks that are going on currently simultaneously. Definitely a large coordinated attack. And we are writing stories about it right now.

About 25 minutes ago, a story went up on info wars.com where one of the hacks was successful. We had it removed within 11 minutes. And of course had changed the particular passcode. They hacked through and got David Knight's passcode. But simultaneously got Paul Watson's code to his Twitter. That account is currently hijacked. We'll put Paul Watson's Twitter account prison planted up on screen for folks so they can see what's happening right now.

We are investigating Islamic training schools in the United States currently. Of course. And we're on the ground yesterday and basically all hell's been breaking loose since that happened. I told Biggs I had a bad feeling about it. And just to get ready, I'm the one that's sitting out there. But I told him yesterday at five o'clock, I said, get ready. Spider-sense says, you know, we got enemy fighters coming in.

Watch your six. There's a lot of intel coming in right now. I basically already put my finger on what's going on here. So because it was very simple, PJ Watson tweeted out some bullshit and they were like, we got to pretend that he got hacked. The tweet that Paul Joseph Watson put out was about Erdogan. It was about how there was a US led coup and that Erdogan was taking shelter at a US air base. Oh, so he participated in the fake coup narrative that Erdogan put out so that he

could jail and arrest all of his detractors. That might not be something that you want on your own belt. You might want to pretend that you got hacked on that one. Yeah. Wow. Now. Is that, is that illegal? Well, I actually, I don't know if these dates match up.

Like I don't know what the date is for like when that coup happened, the fake coup in Turkey. Yeah, it is interesting that people still, some people still believe that was a real coup. Like if you see every action Erdogan has taken since then. The timeline for that doesn't match up. That was 2016. That was in July of 2016. So that's why they had to cancel it because he had already, he'd already revealed the narrative. Now, this is a different cancel it, cancel his Twitter account.

This is a different thing that he's evoking, but still dicey. Yeah. This seems like something that Paul Joseph Watson might have gotten a bad tip on. As we know, his DMs are wide open. Right. And or at least they were at this point. And we have a repeated evidence of him just taking, uh, anonymous sourced information and then writing about it on info wars.

Well, three million immigrants voted in the last three million illegal immigrants voted also from a random dudes Twitter. True. So there, I, I think that what we're seeing here is a little bit of ass covering. Yeah. And let's get through this clip because Alex needs to make this needlessly convoluted. Uh, you have to go back in time. Here's an RT article, a CNN article, and a bunch of others.

Let me put the pieces together for you first. Back in 2013 and 14 CNN and a bunch of other, uh, globalist media operations got hacked probably by Russians calling themselves the Syrian electronic army. We know it was the Russian government that hacked and got the climate change emails where they were coordinating with the UN and all the major professors at over a thousand colleges. It was 2000 plus how to engage in fraud, how to hide the decline, how to pass carbon taxes. Uh, so again, the Russians blew that wide open.

Nope. Probably the Russians, in fact, they pretty much admitted it's, it's, it's Russians involved in the quote Syrian electronic army because it deals with Syria sending out the Intel that our government was funding radical al-Nusra al-Qaeda groups that became ISIS. That's now mainstream news. That's not what happened. Won that info war in concert with American patriots that will not engage in treason.

Uh-oh. Do you see what's going on here? So he now supports Russia attacking the American government. Oh yeah, but not the patriots. Fictitiously. Right. Right, right. Now he, whatever the reality is, he is totally cool with Russians

carrying out massive hacking campaigns and using said info, uh, information to influence people. Well, yeah. Now, as we've seen from, I don't see why they're, Well, because a couple of those things that he's bringing up were propaganda campaigns that Russians did engage in. Absolutely. So he is totally on board with them using fake information,

which is, which is fascinating because that means that he, uh, believes in a global cooperation and organization to root out the globalists. Yeah. Interesting. So there's a lot. So he's a globalist. There's a lot of hypocrisy flying around. I have never seen that before from Alex.

This is incredibly weird to me. Like it's just, it belies so many other things that he claims now, which is like, ah, Russia doesn't hack people. They don't have, you know, all this stuff is bullshit. It's like, well, you know that they do. Yeah. You absolutely know that they do. Even if they didn't, when you said they did, you know that they do.

And you're in favor of it. Yeah. Like all this stuff is, it's crazy. It's absolutely nuts. The Syrian electronic army, right? I have to do with this hack on you. Are you now saying that Russia is hacking you? Is that what you're saying?

What is the case? I don't know. I don't know. Do you think that is, that is interesting that so many, uh, patriots of America are absolutely happy with another country taking us over? Right. It's a very fascinating patriotic argument. Well, it's just because, I mean, I'm starting to believe that about 90% of the people who

think that way think exactly the same as Alex. Yeah. They think that our country is taken over by globalists. Black person was elected. Right. And that Russia is the, are the only people who could save us because they have kicked out the globalists already. And it's all a cockamamie line of bullshit most likely put out by Russia.

It's very interesting. The idea that Putin kicked out the oligarchs alone is crazy. I mean, maybe he kicked out the other oligarchs. The one who, the ones who wouldn't play ball with it. Yeah, exactly. The ones who wouldn't give him a cut. But I'll be goddamned if he doesn't have a whole network of his own oligarchs. Exactly.

Yeah. It's so stupid. Alex can't not know that. He just doesn't like the liberal order of the world. Yeah. He doesn't like the idea that freedom is coming in the shape that it has. Right. He doesn't like the idea that trans people are okay in society because they're fucking weird to him.

Yeah. He's, he's absolutely against freedom for anybody who's not white. Yeah. Or Christian. Or Christian or, well, Protestant. Male too. Now he's, now he's against the Catholic church, of course, because of the, the cool pope. Well, male too.

Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. But not just men. He doesn't want to kill all women or anything like that, but he wants women to. Subjugated. Well, he wants them to fill the exact role that works for men. Right.

Subjugated. Subjugated is a, you know, there's a lot to unpack in that word. It's, it's accurate, but it, it's more, you need to play the role that we need you to play. Right. And I guess that is subjugation, but it's, it's fucked up. He wants perfect order and he knows that the only way to get that is by bringing liberty and prosperity back. Right.

Or totalitarianism. Maybe it's fascism too. Maybe. Could be. Maybe. Could be that those two things are, are capable. So I. Could be that freedom is oftentimes chaotic.

I suggested in that last clip, like, hey, what is it? Is it the, the Russians? Is the Russians hacking you now, Alex? 00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,120 What's the narrative? And I, I. It's actually CNN. I should tip my hand.

I actually know what his. It's CNN. It's not CNN. Although they are ISIS. Of course. And I was engaging in my patriotic duties just as an American to not work with Al Qaeda. And working with Colonel Shaffer and many others on and off here. Generals, you name it.

Just going to leave it at that. Retire generals. This is real war folks. Nope. This is against the globalists that are playing all our countries off against each other. Nope. Very high level chess. Definitely not.

We knew at the time that if we could get the military informed of this, it would all implode. Turning the Christian areas of Syria over to Al Qaeda so they could slaughter everybody by the hundreds of thousands. Not okay. And so as the Syrian electronic army continued to hack CNN or other hundreds of publications and post info wars.com articles. And you can look it up. That's who they posted mainly.

BBC, MPR, Skype. I mean, they Facebook accounts, Twitter accounts. This is now the counter response to that. Directed out of Turkey, ISIS connected groups to go in and post this info to discredit info wars. And also then blame it on the Syrian electronic army, which hasn't happened yet. Okay. But that is my belief where this is coming from and what we've expected to happen. Okay.

So it's ISIS who hacked him. Right. Through Turkey. But they didn't hack him. They just posted info wars. No, that was the Syrian electronic army who he knows is Russia. So the Syrian electronic army, they hacked CNN and what have you and posted info wars articles in an attempt to spread the truth.

So they were on the good side of things. That was. Oh, okay. That was Russia. Now this is a backlash to that. Okay. This is a group trying to pretend to be the Syrian electronic army. But it's actually a group out of Turkey who is affiliated with ISIS.

Right. But doesn't he not know that so many of his boys have a huge connection to Turkey? Now that's going to be a problem in a few clips. That's what I was going to say. That is going. Also again, not Al Qaeda. No. Not Al Qaeda.

No. Not even a little bit out there. Very simplistic view of. Although it is our patriotic duty to not work with Al Qaeda. Absolutely. I think that's true. I agree with him there. When he's right, he's right.

You got to give him that. Looking at you guy whose name I forgot that was in the news for a long time. What was that guy's name? Reagan? No. That guy, that white guy who went over and joined Al Qaeda. And there is a big media sensation for a little while. Oh yeah.

I remember that. I remember that guy's name. What ever happened to that guy? He's probably alive. Probably alive. So in this next clip, Alex Jones discusses the actual article that was put up on Infowars by this alleged hacking, which again, I don't believe happened. Here's the headline.

Kuday Taw in Turkey. Ergun flees the U.S. Airways. This is the hacked article that was put up by someone not in Infowars. And then of course, I began running around 15 minutes to airtime, like a chicken with my head cut off saying, check every account Facebook, Twitter, because we're, we're distributed over a lot of different platforms so that we can survive attacks. You know, you, you want one more five others pop up.

You whack five of those 15 more pop up. By the way, I'm going to launch a lot of new Facebooks, Twitter. Great. I think he's talking about a hydra, not whack-a-mole. Totally. Whack-a-mole doesn't multiply. I don't recall, I don't recall a whack-a-mole game where it's like, It's been a long time.

Fuck you. And it just keeps getting larger and larger. Oh no. It's the infinite whack-a-mole game. The prairie is spreading. That's it. That's fine. He loses track of metaphors a lot, but like this doesn't strike me.

First of all, all outside of the normal for something, they would post. Oh, absolutely. Their journalistic standards are in the toilet and have been for nigh on two decades. You assume that they had journalistic standards at one point? Well, no, I mean, if you have no standards, that's a standard, you know? That's what I'm getting at. All right. So like the idea that they would post this and then be like,

Oh shit, that was someone fucking with us or something like that is entirely possible. No. Secondarily, the idea that Alex would be running around trying to sort this out, investigating it, pre-show, then get on air and be calm like this, he's not yelling. He's not making threats. This isn't how Alex Jones behaves. He only would behave like this if he had a narrative in place and he knew nothing was going on. This is bullshit.

This is a man acting. Oh, absolutely. He would not. Furthermore, it's so easy to figure out if it's an actual info wars article. Read it. They all sound the same. Yeah. They're all written by the same voice.

So there is some journalistic standards. No, there's just one guy writing all of those editorial. Who doesn't know how to read? That's not true. They have a couple of writers who don't know how to read. That's true. So in this next clip, we find out what has also, I love his defensive like, we have it distributed across multiple fat platforms to protect against attacks.

Right. And then he goes on to say why that is a bad idea because the attacks only multiply. Well, he's like, we've, we are expanded across all of those. So we have to go check them. You take down one and five pop up and then you take down five 15 pop up, which of course makes it the most safe. No, no, no, no. He's saying that he has a lot of tentacles again.

That's what he's saying. He's saying you take down one of our tentacles, five of our tentacles pop up, not five attacks. Oh, I got that backwards. Yeah. No, no, no. That's okay. But either way, it's stupid. That is very dumb.

So in this next clip, we get to learn what exactly happened with this hack. What was, what was taken in our Twitter account is locked down right now, but we're in contact with them. They didn't successfully take over the real Alex Jones, but they successfully tried to change the passcode. So many times it locked out. Doesn't sound like a success. He forgot.

And by the way, these are long passcodes. These are not our dates of birth. Or yes, he forgot. Dates of birth or, or, or, or, or middle names, you know, the classic questions banks ask you. So they clearly got a breach into someone's computer birthday in there that had some of the passcodes. Almost. Now again, all the other financial stuff and things are walled off between

triple security and run by major companies. So that's totally separate and not part of that. That's all secure and safe. Now we're really going into the info war against these people. So I think that as opposed to the past 20 years, where they have not been really into the info war, despite how many times he's been saying that they're really into the info war, dabbling in the info war for 20 years, maybe in the info war now.

Well, like I just don't, I don't believe this at all. Of course not. It's very convenient that like there's a high level, super organized cyber attack going up against him and everything important. I can't get to that. No, it, it doesn't. Because like if all hackers Seated in doing was putting up a fake article,

right? That's the worst hacking outfit in history. Totally. And real hackers can get into banks. It's not like, oh, it's triple protected by a bank. They can even get into credit agencies. State department. Yeah.

You know, like it's, it's not, this just doesn't ring true. It smells real bad in terms of like the truth test. So I told you that I think that he's lying because they put up a bad article and they want to pretend that they didn't. Now conspiracy theory. Okay. Was PJW just guessing really well and making up a narrative that Turkey was eventually going to have a fake coup?

Or did Erdogan get the idea from PJW? I don't know. Maybe it's because that was the, that was the fake propaganda that they put out. Maybe it's neither. I don't know. Or both. I don't know. I can't unpack that.

Although I do like it as a conspiracy theory. Absolutely. I like because PJW must be in contact with Manafort and those guys and Flynn. Probably. Maybe they leaked it to him. Yeah. Maybe that, or maybe he put it out and they were like, you got to take that down. I would like for no reason at all.

I would like for you to hold on to this conspiracy theory, especially the direction you're going for the next four clips. Because we are going to get to my conspiracy theory and they dovetail a little bit. They get into each other. But there's a piece of information that you're missing that is crucial. I got to follow the money? No. Okay.

You got to follow the lie. The hack. Yeah. The hacky lie. So like I said, I think they're covering for this story, but then they also want to add gravitas to a guess that they're having. Because coincidentally, He's a cybersecurity expert.

No. It is a Turkish whistleblower. Oh, that's not good. They happen to have a guy on who is allegedly, he works on getting people out of ISIS in Turkey, which is very convenient for Alex's theory about who is fake hacking him. It's weird that he came on to talk about sex scandals in the Vatican though. That's a really strange turn.

It's not Leo Zagami. It's a very strange turn for the Turkish ISIS guy. It's not Leo Zagami in a wig. Oh, okay. But. I'm a from ISIS. So Alex, I apologize for that hacky accent, but it had to be done.

It's beautiful. The he has this guy. He ends up coming on over Skype and it's terrible because the Skype connection doesn't work. But he also has the guy who hooked up the Alex with this Turkish whistleblower in studio and he's a guy named Pat Riley. Nope. The one from the Miami heat this time though.

It's a guy named Kevin. Listen, I landed LeBron. Now I'm going to land Turkey. It's a guy named Kevin Booth and we don't know who that guy is yet and we'll find out. Kevin Booth has had major documentaries air on Showtime and on HBO and on other major networks. Documentary filmmaker also film producer.

Good friend of mine. What I've known for years, Bill Hicks producer. He was already going to be in studio today and he has a major Turkish insider who's been tracking ISIS and the government working with ISIS. This gentleman is now in hiding and has had to flee Turkey. He is going to be joining us with Kevin via Skype. But Kevin Booth will be in the studio.

So the reason that I am bringing this up and the reason that I think that this is more evidence that this whole hack thing is fake is if we recall about let's say five, six months ago, we did an episode where Alex Jones clearly faked a GoFundMe being taken down. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. With Craig the Sawman Sawyer and his attempt to out pedophiles or whatever their plan was, they put on a piece of theater

wherein they knew they needed to amp up the reality in quotes of what they're doing. And so they have this external stimulus, which is they put up something on GoFundMe that they knew would be taken down. They take it down and then they're like, what terms did we violate? Right.

It's clearly the globalists trying to shut this down. Whereas we went through the terms of service and found at least six infractions. It was, at the very least, it was extrajudicial vigilantism. Right. Which GoFundMe does not usually support. Like you can't put up a GoFundMe for getting together a posse to round up the environments.

Right. So they have a tradition of doing this. And I think, especially because we see no evidence of it and Alex drops the narrative pretty fucking fast, I think that this hack is fake in order to be like, we're having this Turkish whistleblower on and they want to take us down. Right.

Because we're having him on. This is too dangerous. And the Turkish guy is hiding from ISIS or he's hiding from Turkey? He's hiding from fucking everybody. Okay. He's hiding out. But not in force.

They do say that he's in the United States. Okay. And so that's fine. But here's the next. Is he working with Al-Qaeda? I don't know. Here's the next clip where Alex talks about how under attack he is in general.

And we have just seen unprecedented demonization and lies against him for the last few months. And people pat me on the back and say, man, I'm really sorry, but they're attacking you on local news, local radio, local paper. I turn on national TV. They're attacking you. Man, it must be rough.

Must be rough that an occupied government sworn to enslave the people. Doesn't like me. I absolutely love it. I came to fight. So I want to tell you what I think is happening here. For 20 years, there was a tacit agreement in the world. It was an uneasy truce between Alex Jones and the world.

And that was stay in your lane. And some people will make fun of you, but we'll leave you alone. There was just a thing where, scream about conspiracies, scream about chimeros, all you want. Right. You're fun.

Some people will enjoy you, and they'll be led down the wrong path, but we don't care. Whatever. Right. A couple months before this point, at the end of 2015, Alex Jones starts to get far more active

in terms of politics than he has been in the past. He's screamed about politicians in the past. But there's never been what appears to be coordination between him and people involved with a presidential candidate. And the Russian government. Well, there's that too. But I think it's more like

people started to see like Roger Stone coming on his show, Trump himself coming on his show, and people were like, all right, we got it. Let's get the whack-a-mole metaphor back. We got to knock this one down. People started.

Unfortunately, in that situation, the infinite whack-a-mole did work out. Somewhat. But I think it's just that he breached the social contract that he may be unaware of that is like, just don't just fucking stay over there and we're fine. Right.

He started to get involved in the real world. Right. And then people were like, we got to pay attention to you, and we're going to make fun of you. And we're pissed off about it. Right. Because we didn't want to be doing this.

Right. Alex. We let you stay over there. Yeah. You were fine. Yeah. Now you walk over here, and we got to do something.

For 20 years, you've been spouting borderline to overt racist bullshit. Right. Your worldview is clearly based on archaic anti-Semitism. Yeah. But we've let it go. We've allowed you to make a lot of money.

Just stay over there. And now he's creeping in, creeping in, starting to affect things, and people are like, shut it down. That's not being attacked necessarily. That's just like, you're out of your depth. Yeah. And unfortunately.

That's trying to be put back in your place. Yeah. And unfortunately, I don't think people did it the right way. And it's led us to where we are now. Yeah. It was very unsuccessful. Yeah.

But we knocked down one of him, and then two more popped up, and then four more popped up, and then eight more popped up. There was such a better way we could have. And then 16 more popped up, and then two more popped up. There was a better way to diffuse Alex.

And we, I think, missed our opportunity. I still think we might be able to make some headway, but back then it would have been much more effective. Yeah. Be that as it may, here is the clip where we find out. It is very similar how we're dealing with. Have you noticed that every single time

I set up a clip, you interrupt me? Yes. It's fantastic. It's my favorite part. It's a little bit frustrating. I know. Conversationally, it's a little frustrating. What?

I mean, you did the show alone. Do you prefer Cthulhu? Didn't interrupt. Oh my God, Dan. Didn't interrupt as much. Dan, you prefer Cthulhu. It's not that I prefer. It's that there are pros and cons to each.

Oh, there's good people on both sides. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm just saying it's interesting that the way we deal with the disinformation crisis is the exact same way we're dealing with hurricanes and the earthquakes in Mexico and all of this stuff is we could have stopped it.

We could have gotten there earlier. We could have prepared for all of these things. We all knew that this type of shit was going to go down, and instead we're waiting until the catastrophe hits, and now we're trying to go back and actually do something about it when it's too late. Right. Like America is just complacent as fuck.

Yeah, there's something to that. That's a good point. Worth interrupting my introduction for sure. Thank you. Thank you, Dan. So in this next clip, Alex gets down to who he thinks is- You didn't mean that. Again, they get down to who Alex,

who he thinks is behind the attack, his theory, and it's wild. InfoWars is investigating David Knight, myself, Joe Biggs, the gulon schools that get billions of dollars of U.S. tax money. Their estimated wealth is between $25 and $50 plus billion, globally. They're based out of Turkey. Their entire board is in Turkey. They get $500 million a year plus from Texas taxpayers. And in charter school money, and you think you're sending your kid

to a regular school, it is a Islamic caliphate. They actually teach the caliphate. And then they have Rachel Maddow and everybody get up on MSNBC and say, there is no caliphate. There are no schools. There are no training facilities. Really, we just had one in Houston this weekend with our drone flying over it.

Looks like a 5A high school. And Joe Biggs has got his report almost ready with all that. So is it connected to that? Or is the successful hack of InfoWars to put up a fake story that the president of Turkey, Ergun, fled to a U.S. air base in a coup in Turkey because the Goulon schools are fighting with him. He's suing them here.

The head of Goulon hasn't shown up to trial dates. Court dates. There's an arrest warrant out. I mean, that's just the Arab world, folks. They just fight with each other constantly. And there's no civilization because everyone is scrabbling for power constantly, instead of just trying to plant crops

or invent things or build things. Right. That's his summation of modern society. Yeah. Muslims are always fighting. Come on, we get it. You got to start planting crops and inventing things. Come on, Muslims.

So Alex is on real shaky territory here. Oh, is he? Did he just say that one, it's Erdogan, not Erdogan. Right, Erdogan, Ergun. Did he just say that he is suing schools in America? No. That is that Turkey, I think, or Erdogan is suing the Goulon people, the Goulon movement.

Because they're a caliphate movement. Which they're not. No, I mean, I would assume not. They do have a piece of it that is outreach. They have a lot of schools that they've established, charter schools. There's about 120 of them in the United States. And here's what they would say about them

in terms of the Islamic aspect of it. A 2008 article in New York Times said that in Pakistan, they encourage Islam in their dormitories, where teachers set examples in lifestyle and prayer, and describe the Turkish schools as offering a gentler approach to Islam that could help reduce the influence of extremism. However, schools are not for Muslims alone.

And in Turkey, the general curriculum for the network schools prescribes one hour of religious instruction per week. While in many countries, the schools do not offer any religious instruction at all. With the exception of a few Imam Hatip schools abroad, and not in the United States, these institutions can thus hardly be considered

Islamic schools in a strict sense. Oh, is it because it would be considered illegal in the United States? I think it might be. I think you might be able to sue for that one. No, but it does give a great appearance of that. And with Alex Jones, he's all about headlines and appearance. Right, right, right, right.

I mean, I don't like charter schools. No, no, there's a lot of problems. I would prefer we didn't have privatized schools at all, but, you know. Yeah, absolutely. Also, the ones that are in America, there's 120 of them in 25 states. There's no formal networking of the schools.

So they're not even collected together. They don't really even work together. So. I mean, not in public. Not formally. Not in the public eye. But if you're going to start to caliphate, you've got to start putting little pockets everywhere.

And then later, you activate those pockets. That's bullshit. But the bigger issue is. What's that? Mike Flynn, General Flynn. Oh, no. Was being paid by Erdogan or the government of Turkey to try and extradite Gulen.

Yeah, that sounds exactly like what I remember. He lied about that or omitted it from his clearance forms. Right. He was paid a lot of money to try and do this illegally because it would be illegal to extradite this guy. Yeah. He is the one who in 2016 Erdogan blames for the fake coup that Erdogan used

to get the stranglehold of power. No, of course. And jail all sorts of intellectuals and journalists. Yeah. And Alex. Cultural Revolution 2.0, baby. What's Alex doing? Oh, I think he's given him cover and saying that

he's the bad guy. Yep. Interesting. I can't imagine why. Interesting. Does he know Flynn at this point? Yeah. He does.

He loves Flynn at this point. Interesting. He loves him. I think there's something suspicious going on here. He believes that Flynn is the person who has spoken truth to power about how we are funding ISIS. Of course. Because Mike Flynn is crazy.

And he's crazy in the same way that Alex is. Yep. Yep. This is really a big problem. The fact that he's blaming. I can't see why. He's trying to pin the blame on this on the Gulen people, the Gulen organization.

That's who he's saying is probably behind these hacks, which I don't believe are real. That's fucked up. That's really fucked up. It's very fucked up. It's Alex is so tied into all of this shit. Yeah. He's so tied into it.

How is it that we're getting an angle on this? This should not be something we do. We're supposed to be talking about fucking chimeras, dad. I know. Why is it that we're getting to the bottom of Flynn's traitorism? We're not really getting to the bottom of it, but we're seeing indications.

We're getting a view of it. Well, and I think that there are probably paper trails and much firmer evidence. But you see Alex Jones is almost like a hinge point where you really connect this anti-Gulen propaganda to a guy who's super pro Russia. Yeah. You got Trump, pro Erdogan, pro Putin.

It's like a clearinghouse of all this shit. Yeah. It's very bizarre. And I do think that it's fucked up that more people aren't doing deep dives into this. I think we should be doing deep dives into a lot of this weird conservative propaganda, what, dyad? Quite frankly, someone, Soros, give me some goddamn money.

Like I could do this. I could do much deeper dives into this. If I had the fucking time, if I didn't have to go to work, but be that as it may, that's a complaint for another day. So now at this point, he brings in Kevin Booth, who, as we heard, is a filmmaker and he worked with Bill Hicks, wink, wink. Formerly Kevin Federline.

Wink, wink. You worked with Bill Hicks. I get it. Wink. I get it. He has. I get it, Dan. He has a couple of times called Alex Bill on the show.

I got it. I get it. Wink. I get it, Dan. Dan, I get it. The eye is going crazy here. I'm watching your eye. I don't think that Alex Jones is Bill Hicks,

but I think that they are playing that up quite a bit. It's hilarious. They don't do that in this episode. It's the one bit they do that is actually subtle and funny. It's not subtle if you see the actual times they do it. I mean, but the point, no, of course, not actually doing it, but the point that it is rare and silly and they don't, they don't, it's, it's pretty subtle.

So it's solid. Booth comes in and, oh boy, this next clip, it connects a couple of dots accidentally. You would never pick up on if you weren't paying attention and it's, it's troubling. Oh boy. You know, a lot has changed. I mean, we just got back from the Russian embassy

and in Washington, DC, Robert Steele helped us get in there, believe it or not. You know, Robert Steele. Got a CIA guy? Yeah. You got him back on. And he introduced us to a former KGB guy, Oleg Kalugin.

You ever heard of him? Oh, yes. And the reason we, we, we linked up with him is because he's the one who was known for the Bulgarian umbrella and all that stuff. We were trying to tie in all these stories, but on all these things connect. And then Robert ended us getting us into the Russian embassy. And so we've actually been meeting with Putin's press

secretary and we're that close to getting in a meeting with Putin. I'm not sure if it's going to happen or not, but we're, we're in the door. And so we're not, you know, we're by no means out to make a movie to make Putin look bad. I mean, that's also not good. You know what that implies right there, that end of the clip? That implies that Kevin Booth knows that he shouldn't come on to infowars and say negative things about Putin. True.

It implies some foreknowledge that that is not what we do here. Also, it implies that you have to make Putin look bad. Right. When in reality you can just look at Putin. Now, the other thing, the thing that I was referencing, the people who don't understand what's going on wouldn't notice, is that he says that Robert David Steele got him into the Russian embassy. Yeah, that's not good.

Robert David Steele must have connections at the Russian embassy. Who doesn't? Well, that's troubling. Who among us can say that we don't have connections? Because Robert David Steele believes that the Zionists are trying to destroy him and that the globalists have Mars bases. He's that guy who's come on Alex Jones' show and now in present day in 2017, Alex thinks that he might have been trying to set Alex up.

Yeah, of course. With that Mars base stuff. Yeah. That's the guy who connected Kevin Booth with the Russian embassy. That's wild. I mean, that's obvious. So now- What's the Bulgarian umbrella?

I don't know. I don't care. Okay. I don't particularly care. But he did. I mean, yeah. Is it like a McGuffin in a James Bond movie? Maybe.

It's probably a dish. Probably some sort of fish based entree. Yeah, it's a baked good. Yeah. Have you ever had a Bulgarian umbrella? So good. Delicious. You got to go to that shop down on the corner.

It's like a bear claw, but you hold it over your head while you eat it. Yeah, it keeps you dry. It's very dry. It's very dry. So in the next, in this next clip, we find out how Kevin Booth met his guest, who he's bringing on to Alex's show. I mean, this is some powerful info. Tell us about this guest that's coming on a little bit later.

Well, once again, Robert Steele connected me with Professor Ahmed Yalla. He is recently had to flee the country because he was interrogating former ISIS fighters, ISIS fighters that have defected. And some people that he were involved with have been hunted down and murdered. And so he decided he needed to leave. He's in the United States right now. So that narrows it down for the people who are trying to find him a little bit. But at the other, the other thing is like, I don't, I don't care now about this interview.

I don't, I don't care at all. It has no credibility. It's someone who Robert Steele hooked you up with. Well, yeah. That's not good. That guy is crazy. Probably. No.

There's a high probability that he's crazy. Strongly disagree with your assessment. There's a, there's a, Strongly disagree. There's a chance that this guy is for real. Robert Steele. No. Oh.

The professor. It's possible. But unfortunately the interview ends up having a lot of tech difficulties and I, I didn't keep any of it in. Oh, that sucks. And because it's like, I don't, I don't care what this guy says because I'm willing to believe that yes, there are ISIS people in Turkey, of course. They're absolutely.

And I'm willing to believe that this guy has worked with getting some to get out of ISIS. Possible. That has nothing to do with the substantive claims that Alex is making. Globalists. Hacked him. Right. Because of former ISIS people that this guy talked to. Cooling people.

Oh, that's right. Hacked him on behalf of ISIS or on behalf of the globalists. They're all together. They're all working together. I don't, I don't, I can't keep it together. Well, I can't keep it together, Dan. Here is. All I know is that dictators and fascism have taken over almost entirely.

Yep. And here is Kevin Booth talking about some pretty pro, pro Putin stuff. And Alex says something that's really dumb. And it wasn't even our plan to go to Turkey. It wasn't even our plan to talk about terrorism. It wasn't even our plan to talk about any of this. It's just where it led us. We're just following.

Let's be honest. About three years ago, we were out to dinner and you're like, who the total thug taking over and he's put all these mafias in and I said, well, that's kind of true. But I said, you better see the West and Soros starting all this. Right. And so, and you're like, and you were, yeah, I've heard that. Well, I don't worry.

I'm going to investigate it all. So we're not lionizing Putin. We're not lionizing Soros. The point is, don't you see how the West is starting a lot of this now? Yeah, absolutely. So you have, since you've investigated, you've come around to that. Yes. Yes.

It's not like, I mean, listen, I made a film, Masters of Terror, basically accusing Putin of blowing up apartment buildings when he was vice president during the Chechen war. He did do that. To get popular support. He did that. I didn't say he did it. I just said it was in the Moscow news that police caught

at a fourth apartment building, the FSB, that's the Federal Security Bureau, planning bombs. They said it was part of a drill. Other people. You know what happened right after Putin took power in 2000? I can't think of anything. He started cracking down on the press really hard. So stories like that wouldn't come out.

What? Yeah. Jesus. People say, you know, that was set up. I'm not saying he did it. I'm just saying that the news reported it and it was true. Yeah. To blame Putin.

All I know is Putin isn't attacking America. Putin is, is, is actually the Russian government is under attack. And so I don't want to have World War III with him. We've actually gotten the ban and here I go saying the same. Pussy Riot is in our movie. Uh, to tell the whole Russian story. It was quite a big deal to get them in the movie. I just like saying the name.

Well, whatever. The point is that's a known CIA funded group. Yeah. Pussy Riot. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, I don't know about that. I don't know. I don't know if it's a known CIA group, but we're still working on that.

But it's, it's, they're in our film. It's a known Soros front group. Yes. That's interesting. All right. I would interview them great. Okay. But I mean, you can see what the old Jesus at the CIA are going,

we'll get young girls and give them a name and then they'll go into Russian and Putin or rest of it and he'll look like a thug. I mean, the Russians are not buying any of it. Yeah. Oh boy. So if I understand the old geezers at the CIA's plan properly, they are going to fabricate the complete and utter opposite of a boy band and give them the name, which apparently the CIA thought of Pussy Riot.

Right. The old geezers at the CIA were like, I know, Pussy Riot. They're edgy. Pussy Riot. These old guys at the CIA, edgy. That, I mean, hey, look, unless, unless what? Lance Banks is working there. Keep, keep playing out, keep playing out your, your thought here.

All right. So then they do that. Pussy Riot then. What? Carries out the CIA plan of being all right at playing a punk music. But perhaps even better at social activism. Yes. They will play in a Russian Orthodox church.

Putin will then arrest them for no reason. And then he will look like a thug. Right. So the CIA put together an entire plan. To turn people against Putin. When they could have just like shown any number of situations where he has already acted like a thug. Pre-existing ones.

Yeah. Or just, we could remind everybody about those apartment bombings. We could just do that. But here's the thing. Known Soros funded Pussy Riot. Also, he switches between CIA and Soros there, which makes me think he's just making stuff up. Same thing.

Just making stuff up. 01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:08,960 It's known. Just making stuff up. I like that Kevin is like, well, we'll look into that with a clear. I don't know about that. That's dumb. Yeah.

That's dumb. We're not going to look into that. I can't sign off on that, Alex. Alex, you're dumb. The other thing that we need to talk about is that if you trace a line through the people that he says are Soros funded, and Soros, that he runs all of it, you'll notice that the impetus behind that

is trying to take agency away from women and minorities. That is why he does these things. He says that Pussy Riot is run by Soros because it's unfathomable to him that women would have political ideas. He couldn't believe that they would, of their own volition, go out and do social activism, make themselves at great risk to try and help social change happen. He can't imagine that these African Americans,

that he obviously, on some visceral level, thinks are dumb, would get together and protest for a bettering of their social situation. He can't imagine that. He has to believe that there is this shadowy old Jew that he thinks is a Nazi collaborator who is directing all of it because they could never think of this on their own. And that is classically racist.

It's classically misogynistic. It is just this idea that non-white males are impossible. It's impossible that they'd come up with this on their own. There's got to be a boogeyman. There's got to be someone pulling the strings. And that, I mean, that's something he does all the time. Yeah, it's a bummer. If you give them agency, then that means they have a point.

Or you have to at least wrestle with their point, as opposed to being like, no, C.I.A. is behind one of the two. Who gives a shit? It's proven. No one proves shit. No one proved anything. I've listened to 10 months of Alex Jones' show. He hasn't proved anything.

Not one thing has he proved. It's infuriated to me. He just says it's in the WikiLeaks or it's proven. Everyone knows the C.I.A. is behind it. I have little birdies. We've proven more. I think that's all you try and do. It's frustrating.

So that's the end of the 29th for our coverage. There's no resolution to the hacking narrative. He just lets it drop. And I again think it's just a attention campaign. It's just him trying to make himself seem more important than he is. I just can't stop thinking about the writer's room in the C.I.A. when they're trying to come up with female punk band names

for a Russian group. Hey, let's go with, let's go with Vagina Dintata. No. That's already a movie. That's too bad. Let's go with Vulva Velvet. Beaver beat down. Yeah.

Violent vulva. Yeah. There we go. That's better. There we go. Sorry about that. Pussy Riot doesn't even rhyme. It's not even a literate.

Now we're, now we're talking shit about their name. Yeah. God damn it, you old C.I.A. Fuddy Duddies. So we jumped to the 30th. And now I think we will see Alex Jones deciding full hog to be a Trump guy. Okay.

I don't think that there's ever a moment from everything that I've listened to. I don't think that there's a moment where he says, I support Trump unequivocally. I think it just happens. It just kind of grows. It's just creeping. But I think that December 30th, he knows,

I'm about to go on vacation. It's the new year. It's the start of a new year. Let's fucking just do this. Launch a whole new narrative. Do this and then we can come back in the new year and figure out how the figure out how it goes. Like you take the vacation and then you can really absorb the

response from people. And if it's super positive, then you come back and you're like, we're full force going into this. And if not, you can come up with a way to get out of it. Yeah. You can retcon things. Absolutely. And at best, you have like, you know,

you have a couple of days to come up with a narrative. Right. You got a couple of days for the writers to sit down and be like, here's the angle. Absolutely. So here is, I think, the exact moment where Alex Jones realizes I'm onto something. But when you say the U.S., you mean the criminal State

Department elements that are part of the longstanding coup of this country since 1913 of the financial system, now they're just mopping up the states, mopping up the families, mopping up what was left the Bill of Rights and Constitution. I mean, America, our republic was a big elephant to eat. I didn't add anything to this pause. I didn't pause it.

This is as long as it is. It's super long. Still going. One. Fake laugh. So that is. He just fake laughed at how long he forgot to talk. That's how long the pause was.

And I can't stress this enough. In the video, he's staring into the middle distance. He's not doing anything. He's just like, you can see it's almost like a, like his wiring didn't work or something. Like it's, it's, it's pretty creepy. Yeah.

But anyway, here's how he comes out of that. I would say nine second pause, probably maybe more. Anyway, here's how he jumps back after the fake laugh. You know what I keep thinking about? What keeps jumping into my mind while I'm covering all this other news, the fact that the day after I said, Trump, you need to go after Hillary for lying and saying she was on the ground and being shot at and attacked in Serbia.

And it was all lies. And then I know for a fact that was relayed directly to Trump and he did it the next day. What was it on meat, the press or something? Oh, bullshit. And I'm not on a power trip. I'm just sitting here realizing what will happen. Trump goes after this. Now, no, Trump's really smart.

It's just surreal that we can write an article, drugs, links to it. Trump retweets it. I want to get like all these top experts on. You can't. Every week. And like have a round table discussion, war gaming, what we should do as the Patriots. With the truth, with the narrative to fight the globalist.

Because we're just generally educating the public about what's going on. We have an incredible track record. Our guests are experts too. So two days after this, or maybe three days after this, right at the beginning of the new year, he has Harry Dent, one of his economists on. And he says that 2016 will be the worst year for the stock market ever. Dating back to the Great Depression,

2016 will be like we haven't seen since 1930s. Oh yeah, I remember that. Their track record track record is amazing, impeccable by Max coins. They're going to be worth a whole lot. They're still worth like a penny. Their track record is that of Pentecostal doomsday preppers who continue to say that mathematically the end of the world is happening here. And then they're like, no, no, no, it was actually the next one.

Your track record is amazing. If you think that everything is outstanding. Like if you think that, oh no, hold on, we haven't seen the end of this yet. I'm just going to adjust the prediction like you're, like you're describing with doomsday people. It's absolutely not the case. You have made move in the goalpost.

You've made discrete predictions that have all been wrong. You and all of your guests, Alex, have the worst track record of any pundit I've ever heard. Now that's including rush. That's including savage. That's including Glenn Beck even, which does mean that their record is impeccable in that they are consistent and they are always wrong.

Sometimes, sometimes rush got it right. Infowars promises you never to get it right ever. Their track record is amazing and as much as it amazes one, how wrong they can be every single step of the way. It's really, it's impeccable work. So this next clip, we take a break from anything serious and Alex Jones thinks about his daughters and how they're growing up.

Oh no. And I was thinking about watching my daughters drive off to camp and I am freaked out. Art camp this morning, how it is the number one most dangerous thing in their life as I watched the- Not art camp. And I thought about them becoming 16 in cars

and had a lot of anxiety about it because that's a real danger. And I realized how we've just adapted to cars killing millions of people every year. Hold on. Not true. Hold on. This metaphor is going to get really weird.

But before we get into the metaphor, I would like to explain to Alex that the reason that automobile deaths have gone down is regulation. That refuse. Seat belt laws. Refuse. Ralph Nader's evil, Dan. Emissions.

He's evil. He's evil. Break standards. Things that- Just having cars that don't explode when you tap them in the back. Things that the government has imposed on the automotive industry, let's say,

are the reason that those deaths have gone down. Yeah, and it's also why prosperity has gone down. You are against regulation and that is the thing that is going to protect your daughters statistically. Now let's get to your weird fucking metaphor. And now that's an example of how we just accept that our kids may go down to gather water at the water hole and a saber-toothed tiger might jump out and eat them.

That's true. We hope it doesn't happen. We can't always go to the water hole with them. I got to go out and hunt. And I got to let my daughters go down to the water hole and maybe get eaten. That's a beautiful sentiment. And I just handle that.

I compartmentalize that as a man because it's part of the environment. Now, sure, I try to make sure when they go to the water hole that they always go with somebody. An adult, a younger male. The younger male tells them don't wander off too far. That's... But they don't always listen.

Troubling. Until they see someone get eaten by a big cat. Come back to our race moment, sir. Got to use your race memory. I don't see what you think is funny. A very serious concern for a parent. All right, all right. That made things crystal clear.

This very weird crystal clear metaphor. Very weird. Why? I think you could probably come up with a better analogy. Does he not even get the inherent misogyny in the younger male telling them not to wander off? He has no idea. He just doesn't understand that at all.

Well, and the idea that like I would... I mean, what he is saying if you parse through it is like, I would prefer to drive them around all the time because I know they can't handle it themselves. Right. Because they're going to get eaten by Sabertooth Tigers. Unless they see somebody get eaten by a Sabertooth Tiger. Well, that's where your race memory kicks in.

It's like the reverse of the, you got to let them touch a hot oven so that they'll know. It's like, no, no, no, you touch the hot oven and burn the fuck out of yourself. And then they'll be like, that's not a good idea. Right, right. It's dumb. I think he's a weird parent for sure.

So now let's get back into politics. This is a trouble and clip that he has on the December 30th show about Trump. But I can tell you obviously talking to folks in the Trump camp. I'm going to leave it at that and others. Donald Trump is genuine and actually knows that there is a plan to take over the country

and set up tyranny. And Trump wants to count it. And you see the relationship with Trump and Putin. You see Trump saying he wants to tax these big mega banks that are tax exempt. He's really going after the establishment now. Turns out that he followed through with all of that, right, Dan? Yeah.

He definitely doesn't propose a tax plan that gives billionaires and the oligarchs roughly $2 trillion. Nope, certainly didn't do that just last week. No, definitely doesn't do that. He's taxing the big banks. He's got to take them down. He's drained in the swamp.

He definitely didn't fill the swamp with more Goldman Sachs people. Well, and you see in this clip even as early or whatever as December 30th, 2015, Alex is keenly aware that Trump is working with Putin. He says as much on his show and this awareness he has to have gotten from one of these birdies that he's talking to.

He's going to leave it at that, though. Got you better. If you don't leave it at that, you're going to get fucking subpoenaed, Alex. It was Donald Trump Jr. We got a subpoena, Alex. That would be a delight. Well, he clearly has some awareness.

Of course. This is right when these attacks were starting to happen. Yep. The end of the summer to the winter of 2015 is when it ramped up. That's when the influence campaign was getting going. Alex knows about this. Would he tell the truth under oath?

Fuck no. There's no chance. He would be held in contempt of court. There's no chance. No, but he's also a coward. Exactly. You know what would happen? He would probably request a private interview.

Of course. And then he would lie about what he said in the interview when, because like Roger Stone did last week, he would probably request a private interview and fucking spill guts because he'd be like, I'm in way over my head. I'm starting to think the globalists aren't real. Shit.

I've been led down the wrong path. Why am I, but if there's so many times where it's like, oh man, these guys could accidentally like again, if Larry Nichols accidentally takes down the GOP, how fantastic would that be? Or if Alex Jones is the lynchpin witness in the case to take down Trump and impeach him, how fucking delightful would that be?

He'd be the easiest to flip. Oh, of course. He'd be super easy. He'd start crying and take his shirt off in the interview. In private. In public, if they gave him a public interview, he would grandstand and scream about 1776 and he'd have to be removed.

Which would also be delightful. There is no downside to subpoenaing Alex Jones. We call on the House Intelligence Committee. Dear Robert Mueller. No, no, the House Intelligence Committee. Oh, that'd be fun. Put him in front of the Senate or something. That'd be fucking great.

Yeah. Just Elizabeth Warren having to deal with. Oh, oh, so good. I think Al Franken could handle it. I think Al Franken would love it. So in this next clip, Alex Jones has Paul Craig Roberts as his guest. And we've talked about him a little bit in the past.

He is a kooky weirdo. And on this day, Paul Craig Roberts in this clip, he expresses some suspicion about Alex, or not about Alex, he loves Alex, but suspicion about Trump. And then Alex assuages his fears. And by doing so, accidentally reveals something that I think would also be germane to being subpoenaed.

So my point is that without a movement behind him, without policy knowledge, he's not really well informed. He may not be able to do much, even if he gets an office. Would you be willing to talk to him and with some others and advise him on a policy group for his campaign to come in and help him? Because I agree, he's very smart, but has his perspective. And so he does really good in some areas,

not so good in others. I mean, obviously, if he picked people from this political spectrum, then that would probably obviously not scare the establishment as much either. Of course, I'd be willing to talk to him, but they would just tell him I'm a conspiracy theorist. You are.

He won't listen to that. I can get you in touch with him. I'm suspicious of 9-11, sir. I'm suspicious of 9-11, so he probably wouldn't talk to me. Probably call me a conspiracy theorist. Sir, I don't think you understand Trump very well. Did you see the debate? Yeah, if you are suspicious of 9-11, my friend,

you are open and welcome. You're in like Mike Flynn. Absolutely. You're in like Robert David Steele and the Russian embassy. Well, the other thing there in that clip, beyond the not understanding that conspiracy theorists need apply,

is that Alex Jones reveals that whether it's real or not, or Alex's perception, he has some sway over... I can get you in contact with him. Yeah. Yeah, I send you to Stone. Stone sends you to him. He has a line within the campaign, and may or may not be in some way influential.

I think that a lot of it is probably Alex's grandiosity and like overblown. I would say it's less that he's influential and more that he does have a line of communication. Well, and even beyond that, take away the reality and the bluster, whatever it may be. What's most important is Alex Jones now identifies as being part of the campaign.

That's true, because that is so true. Alex Jones is using an interview with someone on his show to solicit policy advisors for Donald Trump. Absolutely. So he now is not just someone who likes him. He is ostensibly a piece of it. And legally, he is a part of the campaign now. No, I don't know about that.

But I don't know about that. I don't know where legal lines are drawn, but in his head, he is. Right. And that's important, because that's massive. That is a big change. Yeah, absolutely. Because now Rand Paul can't do shit.

Well, he's not a part of Rand Paul's campaign. He never was. Never. I don't think I've ever heard him say, would you like to advise Rand Paul? I can connect you with it. I don't think he's ever said, I spoke to Rand Paul. No, Rand's been on the show.

OK. And they're friends. They probably had dinner once or twice. That's fucked up. That's fucked up. That's sincerely fucked up. So at the end of 2015, we see the evolution has completely taken place.

Yeah, we've finally done it. He is now on board. He's now in the Trump campaign. I have two more clips to play before we get out of here for this investigation. Uh-huh. The first one, the second one is a fucking huge fucking, I don't even know how to describe it.

It's such a punchline. But the first one, Alex Jones has an interview with Seymour Hirsch on this episode, on the 30th. Cy Hirsch, who we've discussed in the past has often been tricked by fake intelligence. He has some sourcing issues, but he has also broken some massive stories. Right.

Can't take that away from him. He's the one who, when he's talking is like, I don't have to tell the truth. And when he's writing, he's like, I should probably tell the truth. Right. He hides a little bit of that context of that statement that he's made behind an idea that when I'm speaking,

I can fudge truths in order to protect information or something like that. But that doesn't hold water for me. Of course not. So they have an interview and really what I think is probably, I mean, Seymour Hirsch's big scoops and big journalistic accomplishments are pretty deep in the past.

I think he might be now at the point where he believes a lot of nonsense and might be crazy. Yeah. And here is the clip I'm going to play from the interview that they have that leads me to believe that this dude might be nuts. Well, you remember the president,

the current president joked that if, you know, his daughters are getting to be of dating age, I mean, look, there's nothing wrong with humor, but you have to sort of, it was at one of these annual meetings where the national press club give the White House Correspondents' Center, which I think is sort of a scandal. The press all like to see which guy can be at their table,

which person from the government, and it's sort of like Kumbaya. You have the president. He actually said that guys better watch when they're dating his daughters, a very attractive woman, young woman. He said they better watch out because you can always schedule a Jones strike.

I thought that was, wow, are you kidding me? You know, that's over the line, it seems to me. It's not professional. Okay. Well, well. Right, right. I mean, it is, it is super troubling because we're joking about the fact

that he has the power of life and death over innocent people, which he has exercised many times in the past. Right, but in that context, fuck off, Seymour. It's still, it's still a funny joke. It's just like, it is troubling in the way that it is. It is such an open secret that our president literally orders extra judicial killings. You can't say that word today.

I can't. I don't know what it is. But like, listen, it's Gallo's humor to an extent. Absolutely. And Alex doesn't understand what Gallo's humor is. He thinks it's... Neither does Hirsch. No, but look, the correspondence dinner

is always hosted by a comedian. I don't understand. There's a lot of comedy that takes place at the correspondence dinner. Also. Whether or not it's... Obama didn't write his own jokes. Okay.

I probably wrote some of them. He didn't write his own jokes. He has writers. Probably. No, he absolutely has writers. Who cares? I do. He's not a comic.

I know. That's what I'm saying. He didn't even write that joke. But why do you care? Because he didn't even write the joke. But you don't think that's actually a negative for him? No. Every president has...

I mean, if you're going to blame him for the joke, you're going to have to blame the writer of the joke. You're pointing a finger at Hirsch, not Obama. Yeah, exactly. I thought this was your comedian coming out. Like, he didn't even write... He didn't even write his own fucking jokes. Yeah, that's what I thought you were doing.

This is Betty White's roast all over again. I sincerely... That bitch can't write a one-liner to save her life. I sincerely thought that's what you were doing. Why would I do that? Because you're a fucking comedian. I mean, let's be honest. Obama has pretty good timing.

He delivered well. He's got a good delivery. So, but the thing that I'm getting at more is that Seymour Hirsch is taking what was very clearly a joke and being like, this is troubling. Yeah. This is very unprofessional. No.

You're not... Selling a joke is not unprofessional. You're not serious. You're not a serious investigative journalist if that is something that is holding you up. I mean, look, I recall that narrative. I recall that criticism at the time. And that was also a...

But it's hacky. That was also a Glenn Greenwald take on it as well. Well, hacky punditry. Exactly. I'm not saying, I'm not saying, you know, Glenn Greenwald doesn't have his Seymour Hirsch moments, but he has also broken some huge stories a la Seymour Hirsch.

Reality winner. Yeah. For example. Yo, boy, he broke that story. You know what I'm saying? He broke it. The point that you make about drone strikes not being a laughing matter is valid.

Seymour Hirsch's complaint is not. Yeah. So, anyway. No, agreed. Anyway, we have one more clip. And this we have seen that Alex Jones is now entirely in Trump's camp. Put the mic down for this clip.

Okay. Because he accidentally says the truest shit I've ever heard at the end of this December 30th episode. Okay. And now I'm in. This is such a bummer. Matt Drudge, you know, helping link to our stories. I guess Drudge has been linking to us for 10 years or more,

but more intensely lately. Wonder why. And it's because he's on a journey getting more sophisticated and awake. I'm way more awake than I was 10 years ago. That's not why. Trump. I mean, let me tell you.

If Trump isn't sincere behind the scenes, then I've been fooled. I don't get fooled a lot. I think Trump could be dangerous for the wrong advisors. I think Trump is a wild man. Uh, Trump is definitely his own person. And Trump does not like watching this country get messed up. He kind of thinks of it as like, you know, part of himself.

It's loyalty. And a lot of these sociopaths, oh, you're loyal to the country. You're loyal to rules. You're just a week because you're loyal. No, loyalty is an ingrained genetic trait to not live in squalor. That's not what loyalty is. That's not what loyalty is. No, dad.

No. No, do you not hear that? That's such race bullshit. I don't think it is. Are you shitting me? I don't think it is. Come on. I think that you could make an argument that it is,

but I think that's a little soft. And it's unnecessary because let's just- We already have plenty of race bullshit on here. Right. It's a stretch when you don't really need to go that far. But the other thing is like, that's not what loyalty is. It is not an ingrained desire not to live in squalor. Yes, it is.

That's not what loyalty is. I've read the dictionary. The saddest fucking sentence I've ever heard is, Trump is for real or I've been fooled. And I don't get fooled very often when we have a long history of him just getting fooled. He's the most foolable person there's ever been. So he's so foolable. But like if you really break down, one of the parts of logic and studying logic is it's about truth.

It's about truth preservation. That's what the main emphasis of sentential and predicate logic is about. So whenever you have a sentence that has an or in it, when you have a disjunction, when you have a or b, that sentence is always true as long as one of those things is true. Both can be true, but as long as one is true, that baby is true. Trump is real or I've been fooled. That is a true fucking sentence. You better believe it.

That's so sad. That's so sad. Alex is so dumb. That's all Trump supporters at this point. They all thought he was real and they were all fooled. They were fooled by a con man. The dumbest people, the people who have been fooled by different Republican con men over the years. George Bush, these tax cuts are going to make the middle class explode.

They're stupid. The people who are fooled by Reagan's voodoo nomics. Stupid. The people who are fooled by fucking Nixon. Stupid. Every single one of these fucking people has been stupid for 60 years. Or Alex Jones's friend who got fooled multiple times by the Nigerians. That's true.

You're right. Alex is number two. Yeah, there's Alex is in second place. There's always a bigger idiot. Just a fucking bummer. So now where we are in this investigation, we jumped ahead and we found it. We found the point, the hinge and the jump off. This is where I agree.

Shit gets very real and like, like we even said though, he's still, I mean, he's fucking on board. He thinks he's part of the campaign and he's dumb, but he's still not crazy. Right. Or he's crazy, but he's not that crazy. He's not the crazy. He's not unleashed, so to speak. And so we will pick back up the investigation, at least for the next couple of months,

barring a nuclear winter. We will pick it up at the beginning of 2016 and see what happens and see where we go in this second phase of the investigation. Now that we, when does Alex lose his mind? We've figured out that he joined up with team Trump out of ego because he thinks he's a part of it. Yep. Because he's being lied to by Roger Stone and Steve Pachanik. Right.

And because Russia. So that mystery is solved. And I don't think, I don't think anybody in the world, quite frankly, any journalist, anybody who covers stuff like this outside of you and me and everybody who's listened to all of our episodes, I don't think anyone understands this nearly as fully as we do. A lot of people think like, why did Alex Jones join team Trump? Both bigots. He's crazy.

And there's some truth to it. And that's what we originally thought. We thought bigotry, money, and what else? Well, you thought payoff. I thought payoff. I thought payoff for sure. Well, but I mean, all those things are little tiny pieces of it. But I don't think that people outside of the knowledge fight sphere really get the-

The Russian influence. Well, there's that. And then also just the celestial body that's at play. All of these little things add into it. But the things that are the most important are Alex's ego and Russia. And it's a bummer. I wish more people understood that. But now what's most important to us is figuring out where he forsakes all else

and becomes only about Trump. Because at this point, he's still talking about race memory. Right. He's still talking about how he's scared about his kids driving. And some of that will probably still always be there. Right. But at what point is it like- Until his kids get eaten by a saber tooth tiger.

But no, I mean, what point does he say, fuck you Ted Cruz, you're not smart. Yeah. Is it just when Trump insults him? I don't know. We got to find out. So that'll be the next stage of this investigation. And let's get it. All right.

Let's do it. Oh, guys. Any thoughts? Do you think we make it out of this? You and I? No. I mean, like just people. No.

I don't see any way. Like, I know it seems, you know, we've talked about it before. Every generation thinks the world is ending and all of that stuff. And you do see clear parallels between this and the civil rights movement, not in regards to certain things. Right. But here's the difference. How many times?

Here's the difference. Here's the difference. Back then, a bigoted Charles Nelson Riley didn't become president. That's true. Or someone else on match game. You know, like it didn't, you didn't end up with Richard Dawson, because he at least like kissed all the women. Yeah, absolutely.

You could say like- He didn't grab anybody by the pussy. No, but if Richard- Well, he probably did. If Richard Dawson was a bigot and became president back then, then you'd have an argument for every generation feels like shit's going south. That's true. That is true.

This is unprecedented in terms of like, where are- I mean, our president tweeted, Rex Tillerson said that we are talking to North Korea and our president went on Twitter to say, don't worry about it. We'll take care of it to his own secretary of state. It's not good. That is, that is insane. That's not- It's so insane that we're just like, how do you even deal with that?

You know, you talk about normalizing behavior, but that's fucking outside of anything. If I had to give my- I can't even process that. It's so ludicrous. It's wild. I mean, it's a subjugation of your own past decisions and shit. It's like the layers of like, what are you fighting against are crazy, because it's clearly yourself on some level.

I mean, Trump is shadowboxing with all sorts of weird things. Oh, he's lost his mind. Absolutely. But- He's lost his mind. I think that he- Like, one of the things that Alex Jones has gotten into saying now in 2017 is like, Trump doesn't really matter.

It's the movement. Right. And if Trump goes south on us, then we still have our movement. Yeah. And I think there is some truth to that. I mean, obviously Trump has to go. He is destroying everything in his path, and he is a national disgrace. But at the same time, your question-

He's a disgrace to the earth, not just the nation. Your question, are we going to make it out of here? That sort of thing. Yeah. I think that there is a chance, but it's contingent on people understanding what the actual battle is. And I don't think a lot of people are. Because I think there's a lot of people who are still hung up on this idea of Republican versus Democrat. And a lot of people who are very rightful, they're right in what they're doing.

Because a lot of the direct action is really required in order to preserve a lot of the rights and protect a lot of disenfranchised people. So I don't think they're doing anything wrong. But I do think that there is a greater awareness that needs to be in the public's mind. And I believe that we are coming up on, and unfortunately might have already entered, what will be a make or break moment for civilization. Yeah. And I don't mean this to sound like Alex Jones, but it might.

And here, let me unpack what I'm trying to say. Okay. Throughout our history, we've had a lot, not just America's history, but human history. When man was young. Sure. I mean, we can't go all the way back. We don't have time. We were born in a small cave.

Is this your Attenborough impression? That's what I'm going for. Okay. Well, throughout history, we've had a lot of different versions of social organization. When you had more primitive people, we've discussed this. You have matrilineal societies. You have some that have representation in some ways. Like the underlings get to vote for what the tribe does.

And some that are just very much like patriarchal or just top down one person's in control and leads everything. Yeah. Theocratic. Alpha male rules everything, much like you would in the guerrilla community. You have those in the primitive times, and then you've had monarchies, and a lot of that has gone away and led towards representative democracy at the same time. Yeah, that's how Damon Alvarn treats guerrillas.

Right. Right. It just gets rid of them. You just, talking about the band. I understand. Okay. Throughout with the representative democracies that have come and sort of replaced most monarchies, and you have like people like, we still have the Queen in England, but it's a format.

It's a figurehead. Yeah, it's not. It's not, they're not running things and what have you. And you still have dictatorships around. So you still have remnants of that sort of monarchical Turkey, Russia, North Korea. You have all, you have a number of those places. And what I, what I think is going on, if I can be totally blunt, is we are in a phase

much like, I wouldn't liken it to 1776. I wouldn't. I wouldn't liken it to that. Of course not. But I don't think it's anything like 1776. I think we're a Kierkegaard. Kierkegaard is belief is that the human matures through crises. He believes that at various points in your life, you have a crisis and you grow through it.

Like one of the crises would be separation from your parents. Right. And then you, you have a terrible period of time where you're freaking out and then eventually you come out the other end of it and you mature and become more of a whole person. Right. I think that what we're seeing right now is possibly a crisis of democracy. I think we're seeing a crisis of capitalism. I think we're seeing those systems are not working anymore in the same way being a child

and having your parents take care of everything doesn't work at a certain point. And I'm not saying that this is a condemnation of welfare or any of that sort of thing. I actually think that we need more of that. Absolutely. But I think that we're coming to a point now and who knows when it'll bubble over. But the crisis is we have to come up with something different. Capitalism in its late stage that we're in now doesn't work. It's exploitative and it kills everybody.

It's an Ouroboros that eats itself. But it's more aggressive than an Ouroboros. Yeah, no kidding. At least the image of an Ouroboros is kind of like it goes on perpetual. Yeah, exactly. So there's that. This is, this is a marauding cannibalistic system that is going to destroy everybody. Yeah.

And we're seeing that democracy, representative democracy, while wonderful in ambition is very clearly subverted. And it's not compatible with unchecked capitalism. Totally, because the people who have tons of capital and tons of the economic power find it very easy to gerrymander, for example, or find ways to disenfranchise the people who don't have it. And so I think that, and this is one of the problems. I'm not certain the democratic socialists are the right way.

I'm not sure. They intrigue me as what sounds like a better idea. And I've looked into them a bit. Is this Dan the centrist? No. This is Dan the cautious observer. Cautiously optimistic. I think that probably, if there's a way to implement a lot of their ideas,

I think that it does create a better world. I think that's probably true. But I don't know if it's enough. Because right now, what we see is forces that are against the progress. They're against the coming out the right end of growing pains. It's like Alex Jones, Donald Trump, Russia, all of these figures, in many ways, they are the child that doesn't want to get out of their parents' house. If that seems reasonable.

They are the people who want coal. They want harsh capitalism. They want this cruel, brutal system to stay in place. And they are trying to stop us from successfully completing the crisis. I would say the crisis already passed. And I think we're at the point now where it's very strongly disagree. I think we're still mid crisis. I disagree.

I think we are, I think we are past it. And now we have very, very thin margins. When did it end? I would say it ended in 2008. I would say that all of this is ultimately a reaction to two things. The Iran deal? Yeah. No, it's a reaction to Reagan beginning to dismantle the new deal,

which is what allowed the oligarchs to consolidate so much power in such a small group of people. And then it was in reaction to what we did after 2008 where we bailed out the oligarchs and left poor people still further in the dust. I agree. All of the gains, all of the gains since 2008 have gone to the wealthy. But I actually- And so they are, that crisis point passed.

And now we're in, we're in very narrow pathways. I pause it. It is serfdom or it is blood? I pause it that that's the beginning of the crisis. Okay. I don't think that that's the end of it. I think that's the beginning of when something new must be birthed. Right.

So I, I choose to look at it and I mean, we're talking in fucking, we're spitballing here. This is not like, I don't have, I don't have a degree in predicting things. Whatever. You know what I'm saying? We're, we're talking at our ass to a certain extent. We're a couple of dum-dums in Chicago. But like I do, I choose to look at it is that is the moment when capitalism and the oligarchy that we have in our own country, that is when it was a step too far and something needed to be done.

Right. And the beginnings of the crisis came into effect. You choose to look at it as the end of a crisis. And I would disagree. I would say that it's the end of when a crisis coming could be ignored. Right. Now I, I respect that and I can see, I can see where you're coming from. But if I'm going to look back at, you know, the Great Depression and all of the people

who starved to death and died back then, that was the crisis. No, it wasn't. Not the Great Depression or not the collapse, but it was the crisis. No. And to get out of that, FDR instituted the new deal. Strongly disagree. I don't think that is, I don't think that was a civilizational crisis. I think that was a crisis within capitalism.

I'm not saying that's, that's my, that's kind of my point there. Okay. Is that that was something that can be grown through. You know, Herbert Hoover's disastrous response to it was, was the crisis there. And so through democracy, we did abate that. Yeah. Even though the best ideas of the new deal were stripped out by the same oligarchs that we've been fighting before, I think we're dealing more along the lines of the 60s,

the old time monarchies in a much larger scale, wherein I, the, the monarchs controlled everything sooner or later, they treated their people poorly enough that they started a rebellion. And that rebellion always ended with blood or serfdom. And that's pretty much where I think we're at right now. Well, that will be the end of the crisis. Yeah, exactly. So your argument that the crisis ended in 2008, I don't buy. I'm just saying that that's inevitable.

I think the closest that we've come, I mean, I'm sure there have been other times and, and maybe even, I mean, you could look at the beginnings of like workers rights and unionization and stuff like that as a, an attempt to shift things entirely. But I would argue that that's still living within the existing framework and just trying to gain power for the people within it. And it was on such smaller scale. There wasn't the possibility of destroying your world in the entrance of workers rights. Without the stakes are so much higher in the same way that I'm describing the,

the feudalist, the feudalist systems in older Europe. And then, then your stakes were literally life or death. If the, if the castle, if the, if the monarch falls, you're going to then be taken over by your neighboring people. Yeah. That's, that's the type of thing we're dealing with in which America is going to fall. Yeah. And that's the, that's, that's why the crisis happened in 2008.

Because that was the moment where really we could have stopped America from falling. And now the, the just inertia of history and of the way people work and the way our systems interact. That's the way it's going to go. Well, the combined that with climate control or with climate change, the national disasters that are going to multiply, they're already so bad. We can't really deal with them. Right.

I don't like, how is it the, why aren't people in Puerto Rico rioting? Because they're on an island and they're hungry. You know, imagine 3.6 million people in Chicago or three points. Imagine Chicago, all of us are left without homes or power. Right. Where do we go? We go. Gary.

We go somewhere to start some shit. We go to Gary, Indiana to buy guns. We'll take it. Yeah. I, I run to the, uh, the lion's den. Yeah. I, I raid the porno shop. I go to the pleasure chest right down the, right down the way on, uh, what?

I think, I think what you're saying makes sense, but the, the, the thing that I would put on it is that I don't think that throughout our, our illustrious history, there has been a time when it's been abundantly clear that we need to change everything except for the 60s and early 70s. I believe that that was a time when social movement was towards throwing out a ton of shit that was unnecessary and making a fundamental shift in the way that everyone, everyone lives and not necessarily forcing it, but like making, uh, making a foundational difference as opposed to changing something within a system, making a new system. And I don't think we finished it.

Well, of course not. Everybody who was trying was killed. Right. And I don't think, I think that was a big part of it. That's a huge part of it. But when you murder Martin Luther King, Jr., RFK and Fred Hampton, Right. You're going to take down a lot of people.

Yeah. And you end up with mass disillusionment. Absolutely. And that was, I believe, the first attempt at a crisis and the first attempt of the crisis of growth. And it was held at bay. It was held back. And now I think it's bubbling up again and what we're going to see and what we have been

seeing. And like I said, I think the democratic socialists are a big piece of this and attempt to do some of that stuff that was done in the 60s and 70s on a more organized front and doing it without flowers in your hair and hippie-dippy nonsense and all that stuff that everyone attacked so much. And this, to me, is the essence of what I'm getting at, I think. We stand with a past example of what happens if this doesn't work. And that is Nixon, Reagan, that sort of shit.

That's where we end up going down if it doesn't work. If people get disillusioned, they end up submitting and ending up pretty disappointed and we have the path that we've gone down since the 70s. There is a force that wants that and that is Alex Jones. That is Trump. That is the alt-right. That is neo-Nazis. That is...

The oligarchs. Well, and they're minions. Yeah. The globalists. Well, no, it turns out that these people who are super rich and holding people down, quite frankly, are probably thrilled at people like Alex Jones. They, of course they are. The establishment loves them.

They absolutely encourage this. Of course they do. They would love the neo-Nazis. If the Mercers are paying for Milo Yiannopoulos is everything. They, of course, support this bullshit. Even after everything that has come out about him has come out, he's still fucking supportive. That's because he still gets people's eyes.

And he still angers liberals. That's all they care about. So here's my prescriptive piece that I'm going to put at the end of this. Okay. We, like I said, I think we stand at what amounts to more or less a crossroads. And one way or another, something's going to happen. And we... I'll see you at the crossroads.

Crossroads. Look, we can... So you won't be lonely. Uh, that's my uncle Charles. Look, we have, we have, we have, I don't know, I don't know what to do. Right? That's my prescriptive piece. I'm so fucking angry all the time.

I'm, and it's, it's both infuriating and hilarious and tragic. And, and I can't deal with all of these emotions anymore. I would argue that the thing to do is take some lessons from 40, 50 years ago. What happened? We can, we can take one lesson and that is, uh, folk music. It's not going to change the world. Second lesson we can take is avoid disillusionment. Avoid the, uh, if, uh, some positive leader gets killed, don't let that set back things.

Don't think that that means that the world is going to end. Because I do think that in the 60s and 70s, had there been less, uh, investment in people as singular figure heads, right? Then there would have been a chance that some of the, uh, stuff would have been followed through a lot better. The great man theory of history is not a good way to live. No. Beyond that, we must fight Alex Jones.

We must fight them on the beaches. We must fight them on the, yeah. Um, I mean, ultimately what you are looking at is an actual or submit to that serfdom that you see in the future. Well, that's pretty much quite frankly, I don't see, I don't see any other option. I think that that is our inevitable future unless we successfully pass through the crisis that was presented to us 50, 50 years ago and we failed to grow through. I believe that society as a whole.

It's unfair to say that we fail to grow through. I mean, we did get Medicare and Medicaid passed and the civil rights act was pushed through. No, that's true. We did grow. We didn't, we didn't actually solve the issue. I would. It was like throwing garbage at the monster. All that stuff is awesome.

Yeah. All that stuff is awesome and I'm not taking away from it, but I would argue that's the equivalent of getting a C on a test. Yeah, I absolutely agree with you. Okay. Yeah. Cause I don't want it. I don't want to impugn the civil rights act or anything like that, but at the same time,

it's not the, it wasn't the revolutionary, um, upheaval of everything that we need. Quite frankly, it just doesn't work. The only, the only reason, the only reason that I brought that up is because I do kind of find that to be in a certain way hopeful. The fact that they did, it did do things. It did get stuff done. And if you look at how many lives Medicare and Medicaid have saved, how many, you know, the civil rights act, it definitely didn't do everything it fucking needed to.

No. But you can't argue and libertarians hate it. And libertarians should all go fuck themselves. Wait a minute. Um, it did. Not all of them. Yeah. Most.

All of them. 90%. Um, it did, it did accomplish something. And so if you want to, if you want to argue that incremental change is possible, then that is a good example to point to. The flip side of it is. I think we're, I think we're just too far gone. The flip side of it is, yes, it did all this great things, but it also came along with a

state of pretty much perpetual war ever since. Yeah, of course. So I don't think, I think that they're, you know, you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater as they say, but at the same time it is, I think a little bit foolish to think that that's progress with a big peak. Right, right, right. When what we need to do is completely overhaul the entire ideas that we have about what power means, uh, overhaul the entire idea of, uh, let me quite honestly, capitalism is one of

the biggest problems of this entire, uh, situation that we're in and I don't, I don't. Without question. I don't know what the answer is. I'm not, I'm not here to say that socialism is the right answer, but what we have now does not work. That's the crisis we faced 50 years ago and it's the crisis we face today. And that's, that's why I'm saying that it's, it's too late. The inertia of capitalism is such that the only way to actually defeat it would be with

something that is strong enough to move that off its course and that has to happen immediately because the cancer, I would hope it's the will to live the cancer of capitalism has metastasized so much faster than any of us are really willing to, to deal with. And so it's where our response just isn't going to be as fast. Bernie Sanders is still saying, you know, we need single payer healthcare, but what we're going to have to do is fix Obamacare first and then gradually move towards, uh, socialized healthcare. And there isn't time.

There's not enough time. This shit needs to go down soon. And the only way to organize enough of a, uh, enough of a, uh, a large enough group of people to do this is, I mean, eventually through wide scale anger and rage. And once you get too far on that, we're talking again about blood and serfdom. Yeah. And, uh, you know, because it, because that's, I mean, we live in a very, very, uh, capitalism builds a comfortable serfdom.

It does not build agency. It does not build anything other than the, uh, falsities of the American dream. It's almost like that. Some of the messages Alex should have taken from a brave new world. Yeah. What a thought. Instead he takes some other weird ones. Uh, of course.

And so it's just, it's just not going to, it's just not going to happen. And the only, the only question is how soon and what happens along the way. Cause, cause some wild shits going down. And here's another thing to remember, uh, Ty goes to the runner, uh, in this case, uh, in the sense that like the status quo gets like, they win ties. Yeah. Absolutely. So if it's a tie, nothing changes.

Nothing changes. And, uh, inaction, inactivity doesn't work. It breeds further inactivity. And I, and just cause we got to fucking end this. We're rambling here. We're not rambling. We're discussing the inevitable end of the world and who thinks it's going to come sooner. You take a negative stance on it.

I take a positive stance. I think that there is a possibility we grow through it and something beautiful comes out. But in the meantime, there are growing pains and blood is inevitable. Serfdom is not necessarily inevitable. Is if we don't change things, right? But the blood part, probably inevitable. There will be, I have to assume. There will be a Daniel Day Lewis movie about this.

I know he said he retired, but let me tell you something. This is the role of his career. Trump retire. Trump, Daniel Day Lewis would crush that role. Let's go and just let Anthony Atamanic do it. I know, but Anthony Atamanic isn't going to take it with the seriousness that Daniel Day Lewis will. He's got range.

Oh, I, that's, that may be Tony's got range. That may be true. So I have a more optimistic stance on it. You have a negative stance on it. And that's who would have guessed who would have guessed the guy who started with dreams of headless Koch brothers is going to have a negative assessment of the world. And I don't know. We'll see what happens.

Yep. My doom and gloom perspective is probably we'll end up with the tie going to the runner. Yeah. Then 50 years from now, we'll be back to where we are again. Dude, there's no way we make it another 50 years from now. I believe even the, even the best projections for climate change say it's 2050 to a 2100. It's not the entire world being destroyed. It's just, I'm not saying it's the entire world being destroyed because of climate change.

I'm saying that the world is going to eat itself alive because of climate people are going to eat themselves. The world's going to be fine when we're gone, Dan, but that's the world's been around for five, however, two billion years or whatever. But that's the thing. If we grow through the crisis that we're supposed to grow through, we can adapt to climate change. I mean, I mean, if the tie goes to the runner, that's my point to you that if the status quo everything's bad, then we're done.

Right. Then it's over. And in that sense, I mean, I don't know, time does have a way of speeding up a little bit. And maybe, maybe we don't grow through this crisis. We have it again in 10 years as opposed to 50 years this time, just because of the inevitability of it and the increasing pressures that climate change is putting on with refugee growth that we see. And it's possible, but I would like to see us grow through it.

I think that the traits that you'd like to see emphasized are things like empathy, things like care, things like not giving a fuck about money. Yeah. I think those are the things you'd like to see. And if we do that, that could be revolutionary to some extent. Possible. I don't know. Anyway.

Too much power and transition in the wealthy. But all that can go away. All of it is illusory. All of it really is. That's true. We'll finish this off the air because I have something really fucked up to tell you. All right, all right, all right. But if you want to find out what fucked up thing Dan is about to say, I might write about it on

Thursday at knowledgefight.com. I would ask that you don't. I would probably won't. But yeah, go to knowledgefight.com. You can see all of our stuff there. You can also follow us on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore fight. You can look us up on iTunes.

We're on Facebook. Leave a review. We are, of course, on Facebook. Yeah, you did it this time. I have come to the. You've grown through the crisis. I have grown through the crisis, my friend. I have reached catharsis.

Yeah. And then and forgive the last half hour of this show. That's we're not supposed to be that show. Quite frankly. No, I think it's supposed to be a fun exploration of Alex Jones being an idiot. Not like not peddling pedantic theories that I have about how we can save the world. Right, right. I get it.

Or my doomsday prepping. Right. I get that. I mean, I think these I think these are really the conversations that everybody should be having pretty much all the fucking time right now. Of like, if we're going to do this, how are we going to do it? That kind of thing. And, you know, I probably have some more thoughts about concrete steps and stuff

like that that we can take or that would be helpful. But I don't know. Maybe another show. Who knows? You know who does it? God damn it, dad. Go ahead. No, no, no.

It's you. It's you. No, I always. It's all, it's on you. There's one guy who has never grown through a crisis. His teeth definitely didn't grow through a crisis. He's a guy who has a crisis of, should I put up this picture? And he fails it every single time.

50 years ago, there was a movement to put up that picture. It didn't succeed. It did not grow through that. Oh, no. And he sucks. And I hate him. Who? What would you, what would you say to this man?

I'd say he should go fuck himself. His name is John Rappaport. John Rappaport, go fuck yourself. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan.

I love your work. I love you.