Knowledge Fight - #883: More Like Jimmy Bore

Episode Date: January 1, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check in to see how things went when Alex got interviewed by a man who once spit in his face, Jimmy Dore.  Not well, as it turns out.

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Knowledge, you can fight. Dan and Jordan, the knowledge, fight. I'm Dan. I'm George work a couple dudes like to sit around. We're supposed to's put the ultra of slain and talk a little bit about Alex Joe? Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan. Damn Jordan quick question for it. So what's your price about today, buddy? My bright spot today Jordan is it's the new year Happy new year everybody we're recording this before the new year But we're gonna pretend it's the new year. Oh my God. I rang in the new year in style. Did you? I was at the bar at the top of the A on center popping bottles of champagne with all the

Chicago celebrities. What's the one that's Vaughn was there? Oprah was there. Dom Perignon. Yes. Flowing. Like, you know, those those champagne glass towers with the support that yes, yes, one of those things going but it was never ending bottomless bottomless champagne tower and everyone was bottomless everyone was bottomless it was crazy was a bottomless bottomless bottomless affair the old triple B bottomless. Bottomless, back it out, bottomless affair. Bring it in the New Year and I didn't do anything. I'm sure. I don't know. It's still in the future, but I'm sure I did nothing. I might, you know, we, my family is done a new thing now where we're starting to celebrate Christmas over New Year. That way, yeah, that way we can all

ignore the New Year holiday. And Christmas sort of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, everybody goes to bed at like nine. It's great. Yeah, it was fun because you said, you mentioned a little bit after Christmas. Sure. They're like, it's been a little bit calm this year. And I was thinking to myself, yeah, that's probably because you're yet to do Christmas. Hey, not a whole lot's happened.

It's been pretty, pretty tame year. Yes. Nice. Give it a week. Absolutely. Yeah whole lot's happened. It's been pretty tame year. Yes. Nice. Give it a week. Absolutely. Yeah, that's fair. But, yeah, I hope everyone had a good new year. And, hey, you know, there's ultimate potential for this year.

You know, we definitely have a feeling that things are going to be shit. Sure. 2024 election. Strong. Not good. Primaries. Weeks away. Could be an good. Not good. primaries. Weeks away. Could be an issue.

Yes. Yeah. It's, we're in for it. But maybe, maybe we can hold on to a little bit of that optimism that comes along with the new year every year. We can feel it for a minute, even if we have to let it go. Right. You know, just, just, just grasp some of the, what, what can happen? Sure.

As opposed to what's probably going to happen. Think about something. Think what's probably gonna happen think about something think What's a good thing that happened in 2023 one good thing and then just roll it in just 2024 Mm-hmm, you know cuz listen we're all gonna watch everything crumble Yeah, but if you got one good thing roll it into the next year find that one good thing boil down the energy Absolutely and make it your Steves for 2024 put it on your face like war paint and walk down the streets, yeah.

Something like that. Yeah, what's your bright spot? My bright spot is tennis! Oh, it's been a while. It has been a while, the new season, 2024 season starts tomorrow. You just said something very interesting. What's that? I didn't realize they had a season.

Yeah, they have a season. Okay. It's harder for you to have a season if your sports global on account of the seasons are always happening. Sure. Right? So, and it's something that can be played indoors

and outdoors. Right. And it just doesn't, it doesn't feel the same as like, I know the NBA has a season. Right. I know the NHL, MLB, they all have seasons. Sure. Just doesn't feel right to me that tennis has a season.

Yeah, I mean, it's not really a season so much is like at the end of the year, they take about a month off. Yeah. So it's like, school has a summer. It's more like that. It's a circuit. It is a circuit.

That's the other part of it too, is that it's not teams that all play. You have to qualify for things, it's individual. That makes it more difficult to put my head into a season. Yeah, it is a little bit strange like that. So how do we kick it off? Uh, Brisbane in Australia, you know who's coming back, my man. Jokal. Raphael Nadal. Rava. Spent a year out with an injury 37 years old. Man's only got one year left. This is his retirement tour. What a, what a story we have about four of them. It's gonna be, right?

We're gonna watch the man try and win his 15th French open. And then hopefully he'll be installed as the final boss of the French open, like in Mortal Kombat, like the Shao Con of the French open. Unless, of course, Alcatraz kicks his ass. Uh, no, no, no, that won't happen. No, nobody will kick his ass at the French open

until he's dead. Honestly, if you removed one leg, no one would kick his ass. It would be an honorable fight. But doesn't he lost to like, he's also like, joke of itch? He's lost twice. Out of 120 tries.

At the French open? Yeah. Okay. That's why he's one more French opens than anyone ever by Marge, but that's not the whole season. That's just no that's just one tournament. That's what I'm saying So he's real good there. He's the best beyond any like nobody has ever been better at a thing I then Rafa is at playing town. I said Roland Garros. Have we figured out what it is? Is it the air? Is it the French air? It's the clay.

It's the clay because nobody works harder than Rafa and nobody hits a higher topspin forehand than Rafa. And that just drives, like breaks you down. So a good Rafa match at Roland Garros will look like that. It'll look like that so it'll be like, seven, six, the other person won the first set. Holy shit, Rafa's in trouble. Then it's six, four, six for it then it's six oh six oh it's a deteriorate. He just just he just breaks you down Yeah, you can't you can't fight back. Okay, yeah, he should only play on clay. That's what I yeah, that's what I'm saying till he's 80 years old

He's shawcon at the French open right yep well. I wish you a good season. I'm excited Well, it's good to hearing a bit more about that Come on months if you don't it's not gonna go well for Rafa that yeah, so Jordan today We have an episode to go over and we're gonna go off the beaten path a tiny bit to start the new year off And we'll get down to business on what that means exactly after we say hello to some new wanks That's great idea so first shamelessly star fucking bands transition game. Thank you so much, you're an out policy walk. I'm a policy walk.

Thank you very much. My transition game is like, break your ankles. Yeah, cross over. Yeah, absolutely. I'm like, Iverson. You have no idea when it's coming, but it's so smooth. Ooh, and then your ankles are broken. And then we're off on a new topic.

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Thank you. I was assured that was not Steve Pachanix larger version or father. Okay. I'm not convinced. Yeah. Next, Jordan, check out Sleep Token, Magwai with Stank.

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about everything that I'm about to say. Here we go. Thank you so much to gratis, pa, photo, Sabigan, Britach, Cristinelle, and Flo. Thank you so much. You're an outtack regret. I'm a policy walk. For start, the honky mother tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, satamite sent me a book in a poop.

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And Swedish? Yes, you wished somebody happy birthday? Well, happy birthday. Yes. Yeah, I get worried when there are, uh, uh, longer foreign words. Sure. No, I, I, I vet the foreign words to make sure that you are not saying something offensive. Sure.

Yeah. I mean, I could be forgiven since I don't really know what I'm looking at, but it is good that you're doing some, uh, I mean, this is recorded. You could be forgiven in a regular conversation, but once it's recorded, then 10 years goes by who knows? People are throwing this out at you all the time. I like that you did some screening of the Swedish happy birthday message

and get somehow Ebel Chi Chi pink. Oh no, that was staying in. This speaks poorly of your editorial process. Oh, it's because you could spell it. It, Ebel, not, there you go. Chi Chi, that's two, sheill? No, there you go. Shee shee, that's two shees. Right. Yep. Okay. Yeah. So Jordan, today we are starting off the year with something that I feel like is

addressing an issue with our show. Okay. I think we have a problem. All right. And that problem is embodied by the lack of project camelot. You're not wrong. I think that there was a balance perhaps, that came in the form of Alex coverage, and then something else that wasn't Alex. And I think we ruined the fun of project camelot. I think project camelot ruined the fun of project camelot.

We played a small role in making it so I don't feel like we should cover it and more but but carry did a lot of it too. I guess he did a lot of it herself. Scrouple workers there. Yeah. Yeah. So that is, you know, that is a piece that is no longer there. And a lot of things that I feel like we could try to do

or have done in the past just don't work. Jim Baker had a stroke and it's not fun to cover him anymore. Fun. It's really a bummer. The number of other shows, I just don't know if they have any kind of panache or any kind of a relevance or anything. There's a certain june se qua that we require. If you will. Yeah, and there there's a you know, we're a podcast out of balance It's a koiana scotsie situation. You know what I mean? Just throwing shit at you. Yeah, you ever see koiana scotsie You gotta watch that koiana scotsie Get high watch these little pictures of nature. I mean this city is great great. What a soundtrack. It is great.

So anyway, I feel like we do need something. I don't know what that something could be, but this is a possibility as an option. And there's a sort of a trial balloon-ish, maybe, see how things feel. But it just so happened that as we recorded our last episode, Jimmy Doar had Alex Jones on as a guest. And Jimmy is somebody who has been a possible subject of some analysis. For a while, he's a figure that an habit similar space to Alex, but also moves a little bit differently. And so I'd considered covering him, but there never was really a way in.

necessarily, but having Alex Jones on, that's a way in. Yeah. What's that? So what's the deal with door? Is our new show right that we're going to be? What's the deal with door? No, I'm closing the door. I like that. Or the door slam the door. So hold the door. Slime the door. So hold the door, hold door. So what happened to it? So I remember a couple, maybe what?

Like I'm living in 20, 2009, 2011 area. Jimmy Doer is a comedian. I am just starting out in standup, and I'm listening, I'm absorbing all kinds of media. Jimmy Doer is a comedian. I am just starting out in standup, you know, and I'm listening, I'm absorbing all kinds of media. Jimmy Doer, average at best. What happened since then? So I wrestled with this a little bit too,

and I will say I used to like Jimmy Doer, but that was a while ago. Sure. I initially knew of him from his appearances on the podcast Never Not Funny, where he was one of the host Jimmy Parto's oldest friends in comedy. That show started in 2006 and door was one of the very few guests that were on the first season, along with folks like Scott Ockerman and Paul

F. Tompkins, as well as Parto's other more niche comedy friends like Pat Francis, director Pete Schwabba. Is that long for something? Hi. Oh boy. I don't want to get into Pat Francis right now. So Jimmy Doer was fine. And there was a fun tension when he was on the show because prior to Part O marrying his wife Danielle Canig, she had dated Jimmy Doer.

Right. He was a fine guest and I was a big fan of the show. So at that time, pretty much anyone who was on became someone I thought was cool just by default. And so he was in. Never not funny was at for that time period. That was where like so much cool shit was on became someone I thought was cool just by default. And so he was in never not funny was at for that time period that was where like so much cool shit was happening. Yeah, they're like and they were very I wouldn't say obviously not

first, but they were really early in terms of doing a podcast like that. Jimmy and Mike Schmidt, the other co-host in the first season, were just so fucking good together. And then as it grew, there were all the people who are now these luminaries and everywhere, Andy Daly, Paula Thompson, Scott Ockerman, like all these folks. And it was just, it was a great fun time. It was great.

I've fallen out of it since, not listened to it in a while, although our friends, people we knew, like Joe Quasala has been on a number of times. No shit. Tommy Mac was just on. Wait, it's still going? Yeah. Holy shit.

Oh, man, I haven't seen Parto in fucking 10 years. Yeah. Yeah. Some other folks that we know, like Beth Stalleng's been on. Sure, she's great. So there's, you know, it's interesting. Yeah. So around that period, know, it's interesting. Yeah. So around that period, Jimmy, that's confusing

because we were just talking about part of the part. Sorry about a different Jimmy Dore began hosting his own podcast with fellow comedian Todd Glass called Comedy and Everything Else. Right. It was a fun type of thing. Two comics with really different energies hosting a chat show together.

It was fine, but it was never my favorite. And Todd Glass was clearly way fun here at the door. Yeah, that needs to be said. Yeah. Yeah. The third host of that show was Jimmy's wife, Steph Zamorano, who was there. Eventually, talk glass left the show, and I can't say that I checked in on it much more past that. Yeah. And kind of like, all right. Why would we? Yeah. So Jimmy, he was always a comedian who mixed in some politics. As you can see in his hour special from 2008 Citizen Jimmy even back then I didn't think the special was very good and it felt really short of the

Politically-minded comedy of someone like David Cross. Yeah, but I have to be clear that at that point There was a political theme that was being delivered through the medium of humor The humor was still the skeleton upon which the messaging was built, which made it perfectly palatable even though it wasn't good, or necessarily even that challenging, sure, but it was fine. Political humor has been around for quite some time.

Yeah, some people do it more in engagingly and some people are fine. Listen, I'm still pulling out my old mort-sol LPs. You love the capital steps. Love it. Who's that, guy that Piano? I, yeah, I was actually, yeah. I can't remember his name, but yeah.

So then something happened. I don't know exactly what it was, but I do know that it had to do with a shift from him creating things that were meant to be humor that had political themes to creating things that were political content that also tried to be funny. As part of this, he started a show on the Young Turks Network, which is like the incubator for people who want to eventually swing hard to the right wing. That's entirely fair. There are a lot of great folks who work there and have worked there. But Jimmy Dora and Dave Rubin getting launched there is a tough thing to ignore. If you... If you're at a party, Nazi shows up. And everybody goes, hey,

we, let's... no more Nazis, right? But if you're at a party and two Nazis show up That's too many Nazis and then everybody's hanging out with the Nazis and then you're also the young turds and Jenkins running for some shit Yeah, you're yeah, get out of here. It's you know, just looking at it from a 30,000 foot view Yeah, not not thrilled as Jenk now a whole no Jimmy door and they've Ruben both getting their Starks, it's yeah, it's tough. Yeah, it's tough. Yep. So after parting ways with the young Turks door hosted his own YouTube show where he's been Real angry idiot insisting he has left wing positions while constantly drifting to the right and getting drawn in by very clear Bad actors in the right wing media ecosystem befriending the Bougaloo bullies. Yeah

clear bad actors in the right wing media ecosystem befriending the Bougaloo boys. Yeah. Going to be an all crazy about COVID shit. Yeah. Being a very staunch Putin defender in terms of Ukraine. Is he is he doing? Is he doing this? Uh, the way that so many failed, uh, stand up comics, uh, go around it is those like, oh, I'm not doing very well. My funny friends are over here, and then I start kind of getting leaning in towards these people. And at first you're kind of taking in,

and then after a little bit you're like, well, this is my career now. This is the way I have to do things. Is he an opportunist, or did he go nuts, so? I think maybe a little of a column A, little of a column B. Well, I mean, but that's always the case. Yeah, and I think a lot little of a column A, little of a column B. Yeah, well, I mean, that's always the case. Yeah, and I think a lot of it probably surrounded the 2016 election.

Yeah. He was big into Jill Stein, and that'll happen. There was a lot of... I'm sorry, what? Yeah. There's a lot of alienation from would-be type compatriot. Sure, sure, sure. Because of the insistence on like not voting for the lesser of two e-rolls,

kind of thing. And I think that that was an avenue, that election, especially because of Hillary and her, you know, unpopularness with a lot of folks who have left-wing positions. Sure. I think it became a fertile ground for him to start bashing Democrats real hard. Right. And I think you see his numbers go up considerably. And it's hard not to chase those things when you don't really have that much of like a firm core to what you are and what you produce.

Yeah, that's a good point. So as we go through this I may have some more things to say about his whole trajectory One of the things that I I wish this was the case, but I have no evidence of it Okay, I wish I could I could say that the thing that set him off on his trajectory was when he went nuts about Kyle Cease's boot camp Do you remember that oh Wait Kyle Cease was the he was a comedian. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he was... A blonde guy, right? Yeah, he was in like a couple movies.

Yeah. And he started a comedy boot camp. And Jimmy made an investigative work about it. Oh, no. And it's weird because it was... I do remember it being like, right, you've taken this a little seriously. But also, it hides it, he's totally right.

I mean, like the Cowdy Camp was a whole scam. Yeah, the whole, they're all scams. Yeah, and Kyle Seese. I'm sorry, everybody go back to taking in proble lessons, it's gonna help. Kyle Seese went from that, like, kernel, pivoting from like, stand up to motivational speaker. And now, like, if you go look at his YouTube channel, it is just motivational nonsense.

No! Oh my God! What happens to everyone? Yeah. I think, ugh. I'm not sure, but I wish I could somehow say, like, that was it, Kyle Cease's boot camp broke his brain. But I don't think that's the case.

That would make sense. Because that was like in 2010 or 2011. So the timeline doesn't really make sense. I want to ask you this question. Are we, like, is this recency biased? Because here's what I feel like. I feel like in our lifetime, the trajectories have gotten crazier.

You know, like in the past, in our parents' lifetime, the trajectory of like stars and all that kind of stuff, it has a fairly consistent thing, right? Like the trajectories of, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah. And now it just gets fucking weird real fast. Yeah, I think that, you know, I don't know what I'm saying, this is a good thing this day. But in the past, there were a lot of gatekeepers.

And granted, a lot of them did abuse their gatekeeper status, but at the same time it kept the idea of becoming famous kind of outside of the realm of like a rational perspective you could have. That's a good point. Nowadays so much shit is so random. Yeah. Like, it is not before you're rational to think like,

I'll, it just takes a coincidence or a random thing to strike. Totally. Yeah. And so yeah, the trajectories are really nutty nowadays. That is. And it has been for a little while, but I don't think we fully like, I can make it. I can grasp to that. Yeah. No, it is fascinating. That idea of like, yeah, why not just always

have a camera on you. You might be famous. Like a thing might happen. And then you'll be famous tomorrow. Yeah, you might fall down in a really funny way. Yeah. Yeah, that is such an interesting like reverse Johnny Carson kind of scenario. Or it's like, if you make it on Carson you're gonna be huge the next day. Yeah, we're like God knows. Fall right. You're gonna be huge the next day. And nowadays it's like yeah, if Carson calls you down to the carpet, you're a fucking heck. Yeah, absolutely. You know the establishment approves of you. You're boring. I'm dare anyone like you Yeah, yeah, I may have some things to say about his trajectory and shit

But ultimately my feeling around Jimmy is that he's a person without a real center He has anger and some demonstrably true points like the system is corrupt Sure and because there isn't a real core to what he's about those things combine into terrible mixtures If you're an untethered boat your anger about a corrupt system could easily lead you to make alliances with monsters just because they have the same surface level complaint that you do that the system is corrupt. And I think that's how we end up here with him interviewing Alex fucking Jones. Yeah. Yeah. I would also say that's probably how we got Toka Gawa. Yeah. Okay. I mean, you're not not big into Japanese history. I want to know more about the major restoration. I'm this might miss me a little bit. So one of the big things of Jimmy's career,

one of the big moments of his political career was back in 2016 when he went to the Republican National Convention with the young Turks. At some point, he crossed paths with Alex and Roger Stone and Jimmy took the opportunity to spit in Alex's face. Great, I don't think that anyone could fault him for having the idea to do that, but following through with it is pretty stupid. And it indicates a little bit of an unfamiliarity with the kind of media space he was interacting with.

Someone's spitting on Alex's the best thing that could possibly happen to him, and naturally Alex used it as evidence of his persecution for a long time after that. I bring this up because obviously it's kind of the elephant in the room for this interview. Yeah, incidentally, it comes up right before Jimmy tries to launch into his intro for Alex being on the show. So I'll only drink what you spit in my face.

Ah, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, my face. Ah, ladies and gentlemen, our fish are. I want to do a reunion, you ought to do a reunion thing and show a clip of that. Uh, okay. All right. I will, I will. Alex Jones is with us. He's an Austin Bay should be caught that off guard writer and documentary filmmaker as well as host of the Alex Jones show,

which appears on both syndicated and internet radio. He is also the founder of Info Wars, the multimedia enterprise. He has been banned by many prominent social media outlets for a range of alleged violations, although his Twitter account was recently restored. Welcome to the show, Alex Jones. Wow, Jimmy, I've been a big fan of you for a long time. And you're, I hate you about so much. Spit. I've had it in my mouth. So I just want to say that I've also really Nelson spit in my mouth. Oh, my mouth was open when you spit at me like a spitting

cobra went right in my mouth. So you and Willie Nelson have both been in my mouth. Alex was smoking some weed with Willie and that's where. So this is where the recording of the stream begins. So I'm not sure what the context of what they were talking about was but I presume that it was about how they both like to drink. Yeah, so I've heard. Anyway, what Alex has done here is great. He's completely illustrated dominant over Jimmy. Jimmy spit in Alex's face and Alex is laughing and joking about it. Honestly, because like I said, it was a big win for Alex's propaganda.

But not only is Alex laughing about this, he's introduced an uncomfortable idea that if you think about this for even a second, hmm, is hanging over this entire interview. Should be about seven years ago, Jimmy hated Alex so much that when he saw him, he immediately spitting his face. And now Jimmy is psyched to have him on the show. So what happened? In order for Jimmy to rationalize doing this interview, he has to basically say that he

was wrong about Alex and can see a whole lot of credibility in the process. The active inviting Alex in for this interview kind of requires an embarrassing level of submission from Dore. By acknowledging that this happened and how he's happy to interview Alex, he has no leg to stand on in case they disagree with anything that ends up coming up. Oh yeah, you were wrong about me, weren't you? Yeah. It's, he's, he is so weak from the jump.

I can't imagine, I can't imagine doing that, you know? Like, I personally, I don't know why this is true for me, and I guess not everybody. But to me, like, spit means we fight, and then one of us is in the hospital. You know, there's no, there's no, like, spit on my face, and then we walk away, and then later meet up. It's, right?

Well, it is, you know, an assault. I mean, you grow up in Missouri, and nobody, if you could spit on in the face in Missouri, you're one of you dies, right? Like that's the rule. I only have one experience of this. Yeah, and it was at a party. Me and Nikki Gifts were at a party.

And I think I did something to him or something, he knocked a beer out of my hand. And then I spit in his face and then he punched me. Yeah. And then we were like, ah, everything's fine. We got another drink. That makes sense. Yeah, we got a little out of pocket little out of hand blood We all move on. Yeah, that's how it works, right? You can't it's it's something that is not and I in the moment Did not think I was fairly drunk so I didn't think of it as like oh he's probably gonna punch me if I do this right?

But yeah, it happened and it seemed like a very logical chain of event. No, in retrospect, you're like, yes, I spit in your face. You punched me, we both know where we stand. Yeah, and in hindsight, I was like, I probably would never do that if I didn't know the person. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, even though that's kind of counter-attuitive.

It does. If I give it was a stranger, it wouldn't have been one punch. No, no, no, that would have been, yeah. We wouldn't have made up pretty quickly afterwards. No, no, no. But yeah, it's, uh, it's so strange to, to like, imagine that you know who Alex Jones is and do that. Yeah. Like, it's, and I, I kind of would understand it from the standpoint of somebody who's been like directly harmed by Alex. Sure. I would certainly give a little bit more leeway in that sense, sure, but Jimmy's another media figure.

He hasn't been wronged by Alex. Yeah. He just doesn't like him. Yeah. And to not have the awareness of how like propaganda games work and what Alex wants out of you is is ridiculous. Yeah. It it it it it strains credulity almost to imagine he didn't know that that was something that Alex would like him to do It is very that's I think that's also another part of it that is so confusing to me is that idea of like

You are performing in action and that it is it is almost like creating a Fictional scenario for both of you. You know, he's performing that action no longer existing in the space of, I'm a human and you're a human, and instead existing in a space of like, how are people going to see this, me spitting on this man? You know, right, right. And he has the appearance of them too. And it was on the set of the where the young Turks were

broadcasting from the RNC. So there's an awareness that there's cameras all over the place. So there is a performance aspect to it, but I also, I'm not necessarily convinced that it's not just like Jimmy's that fucking stupid and kind of an angry person. So I think that I can't really suss out whether it's just kind of a total unawareness of the community and the type of people that he's interacting with, or if it's some kind of calculated move that we're like, we're both putting on a performance of a fight. Now, I'm not sure.

I'm so that is so fascinating to me. Just because, yeah, I mean, like I'm an angry person. That's you yelled in the courtroom or outside the courtroom when Alex was doing his interview, but that was kind of trying to disrupt in some way and you stopped. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't spin on. I mean, you were stupid. But, but that, but I mean, that's kind of like the thing that I'm thinking about is to

me, there's such a very strict and simple line between violence and not violence, right? Like, if yelling is on the right side of the line, we all yell. Yeah. You want to make jokes? You want to be of the line. We all yell. Yeah, you want to be you want to make jokes? You want to be mean fine. We all do that. Some states you could be prosecuted for spitting on Absolutely. I mean now that we know about disease and shit, you know, back in the day, spitting on somebody didn't mean much because you just understand. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex has asked let's play this. Let's have a have a reunion baby and so Jimmy plays the clip of The altercation at the RNC. That's fun. I stand by that you were being funny because you were being funny

You're you go you said to Jake you go. I'm trying to be nice and that was funny to me And let me hear that let's just show it here. I'll show it what happened here it is I care about the American people. You know what, what about? He might hurt me or not. I'm not right. There was a big mistake. I got a big mistake. It's great stuff. That there was the ICT incident.

And the ironic thing is that the... I thought this was going to blow up into a huge fight, fist fight, because Jank Eugers was out of his mind. And you had baited him. You spit on him and professionally. And other than exactly, I couldn't believe he, he was handling it that way. He's a brawler. And, you know, he like, he likes to say he's a brawler.

And but it did diffuse, and almost immediately after that like every everybody kind of walked away from that this is a really sleazy kind of way to present the situation as if you was spitting on Alex to diffuse a tense situation I'm not saying I am a hero I'm just saying that by performing this action of spitting on a man I saved everyone's life right now could have gotten way out of hand if I were on the plan 9-11 I think I Have gone down yep, so Jimmy is right though that Alex baited Jank into that response Alex was hoping to antagonize someone with a sizable audience into a fight So so they could turn that into the news Yeah, I would have been fun

I have no problem with that characterization the Jimmy's making you know that Alex and Roger went over to the young Turks filming area in order to Prompt a confrontation, but I take serious issue with the way that he's talking here. Because you know who is really baited by Alex? Jimmy's dumbass. Yeah. He's trying to act like it was Junk that took the bait and fell for Alex's trolling tricks, but he's spitting his fucking face. I get why he's playing it this way though.

Jimmy has absolutely nothing to gain from the world that Junk inhabits. Young Turks audience members aren't going to be his audience members now, so it's totally safe to throw Jenk onto the bus while trying to play cool with his new right wing bigot friend. It's all very transparent, though, and it's a really weak, weak beginning to this, this exchange. Yeah, I, I can already see like 10 different reasons that I would have said no to doing this before it even came up. Like not, not me as me, but me as Jimmy Dore. Yeah, but you have to consider how attractive it is, the idea of so many eyes, so much attention you're going to get out of interviewing Alex. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. Yeah.

I think that there is the potential for an interesting interview between them. Sure. I think there is the potential for, hey, I am an extreme, far-right, Christian nationalist racist fuckhead, and I believe these things. You are somebody who's claiming that you're kind of on the left, scream about Medicare for all sometimes, sure. You also have some of these beliefs. Sure. What is it that makes us different? Right.

That could be an interesting kind of exchange, but in reality, all this turns into is fairly similar territory that Alex has said on all the other interviews that he does because he's not doing an interview. He's using this to poach Jimmy's audience. Yeah. This is what this is about. Yeah, I just see that like, if I'm Jimmy, I'm...

But this is again, comes back to my like life philosophy. It's like, it just take the L sometimes. Your life is gonna be better if you take the L. You know what? You don't get to have Alex on your show. It would be nice. But you spat in his face and now from that moment on, any interaction you have with Alex is to his benefit

more than it is to yours. Take the L, just take the L. You know, like it seemed, it makes sense to me. There isn't that much to gain out of this. Yeah. Other than kind of solidifying yourself in the pointlessly contrarian community of shitheads. And solidifying yourself as a toad that they can exploit.

Yeah, yeah, it's a wormish. So if you want to be a worm, then I guess that's what you want to do. I guess so. Take or you could take an L and not be a worm. I don't know. Whatever. Yeah, less money in that. Yep. So Alex tells the story of their altercation because I guess we're just obsessing about this at the beginning. Why not? And it was a huge parking garage that they'd sealed up with big air conditioners in July. And so we were all milling around. I walked by, said hi to them. I've been on the show a few times. They said, yeah, maybe we'll have you on later.

And I came back by and they were on break. So I went up there and gave them a Bill Clinton's rapist t-shirt. And he just completely blew up on some fucking zone walking by. And said, Roger, you're not going to crash my show. And so then I thought it was all a joke. And then he got matter and matter and matter and matter. And then he went on air, basically, and said, we're here in our studio and he got into the building.

And it basically acted like I had like a James Bond snuck in. Instead, it was out in the middle with with with other shows 15 feet away. Booths everywhere. You guys had a big stage. So that's the truth of that story. And it was a lot of fun. So, so no, you obviously didn't sneak into the building because there was security, uh, letting everyone in. You had to go through security to get in. And of course, you couldn't sneak in with a camera crew. And we had seen you. I've seen you walking back and forth earlier that day.

And so we knew you were there. I didn't know that somebody had invited you onto that stage. I know you had been on Jenk show before. He had interviewed you at least a couple of times that I saw. So I didn't know that was going to happen. Does Jimmy not think that him spitting an Alex's face wasn't the thing that happened? I mean, sure, Jenk yelled at Alex and Roger, but Jimmy debatably committed a crime I think it's totally cool to sit around a joke about how Jenk overreacted and literally anyone except Jimmy could conceivably engage in that behavior Seeing as he overreacted way more than Jenk. This just makes him seem like an obsequious worm. Yeah, cuz that's what he is Yeah, soious worm. Yeah. Because that's what he is. Yeah. This is pathetic. Yeah. Yeah.

I just, you know, that's, again, that's gonna be unresolved for me in a way that I don't think I can quite handle. That like, you can't, you can't spit on somebody and then only talk it out. You know, to me, it's like, that is, that's another level. Any, any, but, no, no, you know what I mean? No, I have to go step further. They are not talking it out right. They are not you can't even do this. Yeah, they are Making fun of Jank and ignoring the fact that Jimmy spit in his face. I mean, they're talking about it

But that's not they're not talking about why he did it what what he's learned since then That's not, they're not talking about why he did it. What, what he's learned since then. What, what, what was the reflection about the act of spinning on him? He just was like, hey, it stopped the fight. Junk sure was mad, huh? That is. What are you doing?

That is stupid. Also, and the, But this is what I was talking about at the beginning. Getting into any of that stuff really is threatening. Totally. You can't get into that stuff because then it becomes like, oh, what else have you been like wildly wrong

about to the point of spitting in someone's face? Yeah, yeah. What kind of credibility do you have? What reliability do you have as a person who has perspectives? Yeah. Probably little. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, the other thing that stuck out to me

was whenever he was like, I thought it was a lot of fun and everybody laughed. That kind of made it clear to me that they didn't understand that it was fun in the moment. Yeah, like getting spit on for Alex was awesome. That's perfect. Yeah, I mean, and really when he's describing it, you can definitely be like, oh yeah, they had a lot more fun back then. They did.

The present sucks for Alex. Back then, they were doing all kinds of fun shit. Yeah, like it spit on. Spit on, that's the, yeah, that's the being the rock star conservative guy you wanna be. Yeah. Like I don't recognize the unawareness. Like, or I don't understand the unawareness of like people like Alex want you to hurt them insane

They take that consequences are virtue for them. Yeah, so if you punch him. It's great Yeah, like you put the guy poured coffee on him was the best thing that ever happened to him. Mm-hmm It's it's I don't know I did these people not have like those Insighting campus preachers when they went to school. I I guess not that's another good quiet There's so many things about people when I that reacted it's like maybe you just haven't you know You're like Dota but you're just slightly naive, you know You didn't know that the Spanish might fucking shoot your brains out, you know like that that could happen. Yeah, yeah, and That's what leads to this and there we are. So

Jimmy tells a little anecdote about something that happened after the spitting incident. The crazy thing to me was that I went to play Austin, Texas. My first time I was playing Austin and I was eating at that steakhouse across from the Weston and swear to God. Got a message for God. And you were seated right behind me. And I was like, oh my God Alex Joseph is going to kill me because because you could. You're much bigger than me. You could crush me. But I thought it was funny. Listen, I'm

a I love your comedy. I love your show. You're going to get trouble with this. But I'm a big fan so is my wife. Oh my God. Every episode is a lot. And so now I think you're one of the best political brains out there and you're fair. Whoa. You're exposing the whole political system is rotten. Control my big corporations like BlackRock, who are now starting World War Three. And you've really, the whole time stood up for my free speech. And I appreciate that. You got it a little wrong. What happened with the whole school shooting thing and what I really said and what I didn't say. I can tell you what really happened there. That was all PR firms. Okay. So first of all, Alex absolutely doesn't watch Jimmy show. He has very good instincts about

this stuff though. And he knows that Jimmy's never going to push back on this because it would require doing something that works against his ego. Alex is using some of the old tricks that Steve Pachanik taught him where you overwhelm an idiot with flattery and then they're yours. Oh my god. Also Jimmy clearly has no idea about how any of the games he's involved in work. Alex would never have beat him up at that stake house. If anything Alex would have bought his dinner as thanks for all the attention he was able to farm off Jimmy's spitting on him.

Please spit on me again! We could- Hey listen, it's so good to see you. Remember the spitting incident. How about we do something next week? I'll get you onto the phone. You can spit on me there. That's immediately. Yeah, yeah.

But now Alex is buttered Jimmy up, flattered him excessively, and now he's going to use it to lie about Sandy Hook. Jimmy now finds himself in territory. He should have known he'd end up in. Alex is going to straight up lie to his audience about his actions and the legal case, and Jimmy is essentially powerless to do anything. Alex has already asserted his dominance

with the spitting talk, which clearly illustrates that Jimmy has to have been way wrong about Alex in the past, which in turn gives credence to the idea that Jimmy's also wrong about what Alex did in terms of Sandy Hook. Further, Alex has set him up into a box where pushing back on Alex's shit threatens to take away the praise that's being shoveled onto him. Alex said Jimmy

was the best political brain out there and Alex is the talk of the town now that he's back on Twitter. Jimmy doesn't want to risk losing feeling that approval by doing his job and pushing back on this stuff. Essentially within a minute or two of the interview starting Jimmy is fucked. Alex is going to steamroll this and use Jimmy's platform to siphon off audience members And Jimmy is essentially running an info were so a commercial for info wars this point whether he knows it or not. Yeah Yeah, I don't understand that at all like Of all the things of all the things that I will buy from that is like How many years have you in show business now?

30 something and you're getting overtaken by that weak shit? Yeah, and it's like, all right, great. Yeah, the media lies and the systems corrupt. Fine. You're talking to Alex Jones. Right, and you're sniveling. Yes. You're sniveling for Alex Jones.

Great. You've had atling for Alex Jones. Great. You've had at least one agent in your life go, oh, I think you're the smartest funniest person, and then you've learned from that. You'd hope. You'd hope. Well, but here's the problem. If you actually think you are the smartest funniest person.

Oh God, yeah. Then it doesn't set off those alarm bells. That is a good point. I mean, yeah, the moment Alex said those words, I was like, if I'm talking to Alex, I am a shutting off the, I'm like, okay, you're full of shit. Click. Yeah. Like, no, absolutely not. Oh, yeah, I think my wife and I think you're hilarious. We watch your show every day. The fuck you do. Click.

Fuck out of here. So Jimmy, he starts a little, a little confrontational, but not in a good way. No, I can tell you what really happened there. That was all PR firms taking one thing out of context, blowing it up years later as a way to try to take me off the air. Okay. So yeah, well, I do actually want to talk about that. But first I want to show this, you were on with Tucker Carlson and he said this. Oh, we have one. When you got the, to this day, no one has ever been more aggressively censored

I don't think than you. I have apologized to you this person before. I was in Labrador on a fishing trip and missed the entire thing. I was literally out of cell range. I didn't know what happened, but I got back and I read about it. I felt like it was a major moment in the history of the American media. I don't think anybody happened, but I got back and I was, and I read about it. I felt like it was a major moment in the history of the American media. I don't think anybody defended you

when that happened. Anybody with any kind of audience. For me, when Tim Cookett. So I just want to, I want to correct the record on that and I actually did defend you. The day it happened and ever since. Oh my God. So yeah, it's the right out of the box.

Nice little confrontation of, hey, why didn't you shout me out on Tucker? So, so our first, our first bit of information is, I am shocked you would bring up the most famous thing we did together, me spitting on you. Sure.

The thing that I do have planned is another way for me to be a sequest towards you. Yes. Cool. So you came in hot making me a sequest, but before you did that, you wasted your time. You had no idea. I had a sequestness in my holster, buddy.

Yeah, but it's a sequestness mixed with, hey, man, you were on a big platform. You could have put my name out there. Don't you know, don't you know how the game works? Yeah. Oh God. I've been defending you, but also there's a little work around here and that is the Tucker said,

nobody with an audience. Yeah. And yeah. Oh Jimmy. Oh poor Jimmy. So Jimmy plays a clip of himself from 2018 where he's defending Alex as Evidence that he stood up for Alex back then which if you recall as this started one of the first things Alex said is you defended me Yeah, that's already been already understood Alex accepted it the only gripe here is that he didn't shout him out on Tucker

Yeah Because I'll tell you the biggest fake news story of my lifetime. Just really quick, I started the clip of him from 2018 in the middle because it's super long. Oh God, thank God. Was Iraq possessions, possesses weapons of mass destruction. That was the biggest fake news propaganda story in the history of my life. Should they're watching the post be the platform then because they posted fake news. You know, we just did a story a few weeks ago in the Jimmy

Dorter Facebook took down a newspapers Facebook page because the newspaper for the fourth of July posted the declaration of independence and they took it down because of hate speech inside the declaration of independence. That they took it down because of hate speech inside the Declaration of Independence. That's a fact that happened. Is that? And they had only posted the first half of the Declaration of Independence and their Facebook page got hot or temporary

band. And then they were afraid to post the second half because it might happen again. Oh, man. There's new to you. So that to the world we're living in right now. The antidote to bad speech is not suppression of that speech. The antidote to bad speech is more speech. That's been to bunk Jimmy. So I just want to let everybody know that I'm sure Tucker didn't know, but I did defend you and I defended the, I defended free speech and the first amendment all right case point the so yeah earlier in that clip he does specifically say that Alex shouldn't have been kicked off stuff but I said it's a really long clip and I don't care

we're not doing that thinking that the antidote to bad speech is more speech is very stupid the reality is that whether Jimmy understands it consciously or not on some level he knows that he's playing the same game as Alex and he's afraid that he's going to be kicked off stuff. He's not making a principled stance as much as he is making a stance based on self-preservation. Jimmy has bought the bullshit line that Alex's bands were the result of him covering fake news, and Jimmy kind of knows that he does that too, which is why he's worried and has a personal stake in investment in defending Alex. From free speech. Just take what Jimmy was ranting about in a clip where he's defending Alex from free speech. Right.

Just take what Jimmy was ranting about in the clip where he's defending Alex as an example. First of all, he brings up the WMDs in Iraq news coverage and the points of finger at the Washington Post. I'm sure they had some AFI coverage back then, but wasn't the New York Times a much bigger culprit? We're all famously mad at the New York Times. Shouldn't they be pointing the finger at like, Judas Miller? Yeah, right?

It's like it was there. Yeah. More importantly, Jimmy covers a story about a newspaper getting a strike on Facebook because they posted the Declaration of Independence, which is apparently hate speech. This is an InfoWars style narrative, and you can easily see Alex covering this as proof

that the globalists are trying to destroy the country. That's right at home, but InfoWars is for sure. Skim a headline and a rant about it. Right on, yeah. But Jimmy has the story wrong. This is about a paper called the Liberty County Vindicator out of Liberty, Texas. All right. That's a it's a threatening sounding name, but they're a normal paper. Okay. I found it in 1887. Okay. On the 4th of July, 2018, they decided to post the Declaration of Independence at small chunks on Facebook. And the

post that got flagged was the 10th post in the series, which included paragraphs 27 through 31. We all love the part of the declaration that says stuff like, we hold these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal. Yeah, great. That's the good shit. Not the, there's more. How we're still going to keep slaves? Well, and there's more in there, like the list of grievances against King George. They were pretty pissed off at King George.

Paragraph 29, which was included in the flagged post, as part of that grievance list, and says, quote, He has excited domestic insurrections among us and is endeavored to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers The merciless Indian savages whose known rule of warfare is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions Facebook was clear that this post was flagged by an automated response and that it was an accident and then the post was restored. Or Facebook was unclear that sure the Declaration of Independence was racist. Oh, what do you want? The newspaper got a nice apology from Facebook and everything was fine.

It's obvious why this could get flagged out of context and it's a non-issue. Or at least it is for everyone except people who operate like Alex and Jimmy fucking door. It would be fair enough to ask how these automated actions pick up what they do and question the possible inconsistencies and moderation practices, but that's not what Jimmy's doing. He's playing the exact same games that Alex does with blurring details of stories so he can use them for his narrative purposes. They're very similar, but Alex is just better at the game. Yeah, that is something that can never be stated enough

because it will never be stated regularly, which is that like for all this talk about what the founding fathers blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it's important to remember that in the declaration of independence was a promise of genocide towards Native Americans. I don't know if it's a promise and implication. Yeah, the country was founded with an intent to kill everyone, just to be clear. So, um, I think Alex is a decent read of vibes.

Yeah. Yeah. And they can tell the Jimmy's a bit needy. I'm the winner. I'm, uh, the cock of the walk, but maybe you need to passify and play Kate the neediness a little bit. Sure. And so Alex, Alex does that here. And then decides, like, I'm just going to do whatever I want in this interview. Yeah, that sounds right. And by the way, Jimmy, back in response to that, that's a great point. You notice, I didn't

we didn't talk before this interview. No, this is unscripted. I remember. So I didn't even know you were going to play that clip. I didn't know out of the gates. That's the first thing I brought up was I appreciate that you were one of the few people up front that saw what was happening. They were exaggerating when I sat out of context demonizing me so that everybody else would accept me being taken off air. So they then had the prototype to get everybody else taken off air. And it later came out in government documents in the Wall Street Journal that indeed they chose me as a colorful flamboyant person to get the public to accept that as basically training wheels to get everybody on board.

But you hit the nail on the head. I've never killed anybody. What? Madeline Albright, the three of the sanctions on Iraq, as if it wasn't bad enough when George Herbert Walker Bush did, and killed several million people. She was in the middle of office, the Secretary of State, 60 minutes, Leslie Stahl. A million people have died, half a million her children. Is that a good price to pay for what you just said?

Yeah, it's a good price to pay. We're proud of it. You know, basically we do it again. Okay, she's lauded in worship. And then they knew they were lying about WMDs, and you get Colin Powell up there with the anthrax and all of that garbage they knew wasn't true. And so they've killed millions of people, but then I am set up in civilization and society as the worst person who's ever existed, because I agree with a couple of callers calling in once saying, yeah, probably is fake.

And they literally cobbled that together, have a PR firm. I wasn't a platform for that. They needed something afterwards because it made me a martyr, what you predicted. So they dredged up this earlier stuff, exaggerated at times a hundred, then defaulted me in court cases when I gave them all the stuff. There was no case. The judges found me guilty and then told juries that I was worth $400 million when I was actually broken upside down last year. And now it's finally come out in court and my bankruptcy that I was upside down when the judge says, you're not broke, you're a liar, and your lawyers can't put on any evidence. Oh boy.

So you can really tell that Alex wants to talk about the Sandy Hook thing. He's interjecting his talking points about it in a way that's very forced. And that's because that's his main goal. He wants to go on shows like this to gather new audience members, and one of the biggest hurdles that he has working against him is that people associate him with his actions about Sandy Hook. His primary mission is to force his version of reality into these spaces to combat the reality of what he did. I guess this is the more speech thing that Jimmy is so fond of. Also, let's not lose sight of what's happened so far in this interview. They ruminated for a while

about how Jimmy spit on Alex, and then Jimmy launched into a needy-ass presentation about how Alex didn't name check him on Tucker when they were talking about people defending Alex when he got de-platformed. If I'm listening to this or watching this, I'm seeing Jimmy as a very weak person. He's coming off very desperate, sucking up to Alex, pretending spitting on him was all in good fun, and letting Alex ramble on it, but whatever he wants, he doesn't come off as much of a host. Jimmy is also learning in real time why interviewing Alex is a stupid idea. The whole thing was a two minute barrage of lies that he's not equipped to deal with,

so he's just gonna let this stand. The entire characterization of the Sandy Hook cases of fraud and Alex can't produce these government documents that are about choosing him to set the precedent for kicking people off air. This is what happens when you interview Alex unprepared. You'll let him lie to your audience and then you'll sit there powerless to even really respond to the thousand tidbits of bullshit that he's throwing at you. It's just a barrage and you aren't equipped. You just can't handle it. Yeah. And you don't want to handle it. Jimmy don't want to handle it. Jimmy doesn't want to handle it.

No, no, no, absolutely. I was thinking about this and I don't like it because it's self-promoting. So I would like to take us as who we are out of it. Like I don't care if it's the two of us. Right, right. But Alex's narrative, if it is not counteracted and overwhelmed by our narrative, will win. Because it is with the complicity of the media's laziness that that narrative will overtake the reality of it. And the reason, and what is facilitating that,

is that Alex has realized that there will be no consequences for continuing to lie about Sandy Hook. So the whole trial was a complete waste of everybody's time. Unless, well, hopefully when everybody gets the money, etc, etc, etc. But the point is, he is still going to be allowed to lie about Sandy Hook for as long as he lives. Right, and every fun.

I think the most obvious indication of that was him lying about what like Scarlet Lewis and Neil Hessland did in the courtroom. Yep. How she was crying and saying that her lawyers had misled her and stuff like that. It's fucking bullshit. The ability to lie about a case as it was ongoing. It's, it's, yeah, there's never going to be consequences for him. And yeah, he knows it.

And there's no, there's not going to be follow up. He can go on Tucker and say that he's actually the hero of CNN. And no one will do anything about it. And I have the victim. Yeah, absolutely. So, so that is kind of the problem here for me is like, unless there is a concerted effort to overtake Alex, Alex will control the narrative of Sandy Hook. At least in some spaces, yes.

I mean, for now, but I think long term, Alex is narrative wins. Alex is narrative, the legend wins over the truth at the time. I believe you're correct about that. That's what I'm saying now. The amount of people who are not necessarily info wars people who buy into the bullshit that he like predicted 9-11. Yeah. Perfectly. Yep. Like that should give people pause about how easy it is for incredulous people to take in bullshit. The narratives that Alex spends.

So it is from that that I wanted to be clear, because I think it can come off like Ego for the two of us to be like, oh, you shouldn't cover Alex Jones. But it should be very, very clear at this point that you shouldn't cover Alex Jones. Well, if you should take it more seriously than a lot of people do.

Yeah, I mean, I think that Jimmy isn't in that camp. He's absolutely. He is a coworker with Alice. Yeah. You know, this isn't ever meant to be a confrontational kind of actual interview. They're at the water cooler talking about sports.

I was thinking about it when I was listening to this too. I was thinking about like, what I would do if I did interview Alex. And the granted that'll never happen. But if I did, the only thing I would do is I did interview Alex. And the granted that'll never happen. But if I did, the only thing I would do is I'd be like, all right, look, I think you're a piece of shit and we're not gonna agree or disagree on anything. Yeah.

Because we have fundamentally different worldviews. All I wanna do is nail down the stuff about what you think your place in Christian history is. Yeah. Like let's talk about the fact that you're a prophet. Let's talk about the fact that God chose you to fight the devil. Does the Bible need to be rewritten? Yeah.

We need to add books to the Bible. The whole thing. Like that's all I would do. Yeah. And I would just demand like no, no, no, we're not going off track. No interest in here. Don't care. Don't care about politics.

Oh, what did battle? Don't give a fuck. Don't care about how wrong you were by the Sandy Hook Court. This is what we're doing. We're just talking about whether or not there needs to be a new Christianity. Yeah. Because you are such a huge part of this. If you're it's not in the Bible, then how can people know? Yes. Exactly. Don't want your gospel to be told. Yeah. So that's what I would do because I think that would be a really uncomfortable position for him to be. Maybe not though. Anyway, Jimmy tries to steer things back on track because Alex is launching off into a

Sandy Hook shoot. And so he wants to know what were the misrepresentations that were told about you to get you kicked off social media. Now, as we know, Alex thinks that it wasn't, you know, it's not the Sandy Hook stuff. They got him kicked off social media. That came later to retroactively justify getting him kicked off. Right. So that shouldn't be what he talks about.

It's a Hillary. It shouldn't be what he talks about. But instead it is. Oh, great. And so tell me the misrepresentation of what they, the of your positions that got you banned. When I was able to co-host a show over two and a half hours, a couple weeks ago, with Elon Musk on spaces that just the main show at 20 million views, over a hundred

million views, the clips, mega spaces that Elon's ever done. I hear we're going to do another one soon. Congrats. He was told by Tucker privately and others, hey, Alex was not in the platform for Sandy Hook. He thought that and he said on the area, he goes, no, I went to the log and I noticed it was for confronting Oliver Darcy, who had been taking my sponsors and getting me kicked off things and bragging about it. So I saw him in DC going in a committee hearing that they were talking about me at later

and I confronted him and said, man, you're an anti-American person. Well, they called that bullying and that was the final strike that took me off of Twitter at the time. And so then it only made me bigger for a while. And so they now bragged about it once they won these court cases by rigging them. PR firm put up press releases when they won the Connecticut case, the second one in November of last year, in 2022, about to be two years ago, or two years back. And I didn't know what happened until later. So, yeah, Sandy Hook happens. It's real. I think it happened in the terrible tragedy school shooting, you know, a real, a bunch of academics and people start looking

in anomalies and becomes this huge internet thing hundreds of millions of views on YouTube, other people covering it. The professors in Florida and Wisconsin and a school safety guide about you people. And it turned out some of the things they said were true. Some weren't. Turns out a couple of them are probably schizophrenic. And I simply covered it on a few shows. Had callers call in. What they put in evidence was 22 minutes over six years of a six years after seven years after they sued me. I hadn't talked about it when they sued me for over two years, barely ever talked about it, but they cherry picked it. The PR firm put the clips out, ran it, right, right as I was being deployed,

right from his new platform 2018. Suddenly, it's like they were invading a country. The propaganda was in, sometimes every newspaper, almost every day, nightline, well, that's already gone. PBS, CNN, every show, Ted Coppel did chime in on other shows, but wasn't nightline.

Dan Rather, all of them come out against me. I mean, the old guard, they had 60 minute shows about it. They had NBC, the day line shows about it. And they said he's currently going to their houses.

He's currently sending people to their houses. He's currently urinating on graves. None of that ever was put in court. No one ever did any of that anyways. And so then they sue me for years because you get all these depositions.

Do we give them all the discovery? There's nothing there. And they go, you didn't give us everything. You're defaulted. So now we're going to have a trial on damages, but you're already guilty. And then the judges in both places wouldn't give us everything, you're defaulted. So now we're gonna have a trial on damages, but you're already guilty, and then the judges

in both places wouldn't let us, they had my phone because we gave them the phones. When they go, we have, he, he, that's what we gave us his phone. No, no, no, no. We given them all my phones. The real reason the lawyers got sanctioned is with the phones. They accidentally just gave them all raw and they gave them some of the Sandy Hook medical records from those depositions. So the lawyers did mess up, but they already had the phone. So I'd given them all the phones.

How am I not giving them all my text messages, all my emails are getting defaulted and then they have from my lawyers a whole phone. Okay. And so this is the type of crap. So to be clear, Jimmy asked Alex what positions of his were misrepresented to get him kicked off social media. The beginning of Alex's answer includes him saying he was kicked off Twitter because he was inciting harassment against Oliver Darcy and then it deteriorates into a completely

fictional retelling of Sandy Hook stuff. Alex really wants to get his fake version of the story out there, and Jimmy doesn't know shit So he can't he can't say with any kind of oh, I mean no, I don't I don't blame Alex at all Alex is doing 100% the right thing because Alex is the wrong thing, but it's the right thing for him No, I mean for yeah for him Alex is a Alex is a terrible person who's a piece of shit, who has done horrible things and who the literal country has sanctioned for it, but because of the way that human beings work, as long as he pushes this story, his legacy will be intact. And he hits the same beats over and over again and all of these interviews in order to print

the legend as he says. Yeah, he will, he will go down in history. So long as he is allowed to continue doing this, as the man who correctly predicted 9-11 and as a prophet. Or at least there will be a considerable number of people who buy into that. Yeah. Whether or not history remembers him that way, it will, it won't be something that colloquial history will remember him that way even if written history hatred history. Yeah, Lord is Lord is set. So now as somebody who was involved in the Texas case I can say with a high level of certainty that much of the stuff Alex is saying is false

He had not cooperated with discovery and the phone was literal proof of it He very well may have given the phone to his lawyer But they withheld it from discovery, which is the problem. The reason the phone and the text were so important was because he was supposed to turn over every text and email that had specific search terms like the plaintiff's names and Sandy Hook. Alex and his lawyers insisted they had turned over everything, but then Alex's lawyer accidentally set plaintiffs lawyer Mark Bankston, copies of all of Alex's messages, along with confidential medical information

about the San Diego plaintiffs. F. Andino Reynal, former Obama cabinet. In the, not cabinet, I know. In those text messages, there were undisclosed messages that include the specified terms, which was proof positive that there were messages that were relevant to the case that had been intentionally withheld from the plaintiffs. This was long past the point where Alex was defaulted and this isn't the damages trial, but it was a really damning blow in terms of Alex trying to pretend that he'd cooperated with the process. Legitimately the only argument he

could make is that his lawyers engaged in malpractice and went against his wishes by not cooperating with discovery. Like he turned everything over but then the lawyers he was paying decided not to turn over damning stuff. And then his lawyers also made him send incompetent unprepared infores employees to testify in depositions as corporate representatives. He's not making that accusation and there's a pretty obvious reason why. Oh yeah!

Now in terms of the rest of this, it's just his standard fraudulent retelling of the case. None of this is true. The whole story of the PR firm is bullshit. Now Alex can't substantiate this, even when Elon directly asked him for the name of the firm. Alex cites experts that he relied on to cover Sandy Hook and its professors in Florida and Wisconsin, school safety experts, all sorts of people.

The professor in Florida is James Tracy, the one in Wisconsin's Jim Fetzer and the safety expert is Wolfgang Halbig. This was his crew that he used to create the pretense, there was more credibility to the idea that Sandy Hook was a false flag He knew then that they were crazy He just didn't give a shit because they were useful. I would be very curious to know what things they said that he still thinks are true Because he just told Jimmy that yep, I think if he was specific about it. He'd get sued again. I mean I No, he wouldn't why he could

Why I'm well sure why you know, yeah, I mean, I mean, no, he wouldn't. Why? He could. Why? I mean, sure. Why? But he could. Yeah, I mean, yeah, but it's a little bit like, you know, why? Alex claims. I do it. I mean, you're all we're doing is making a fucking norm

pattice rich at this point. Well, whether, I get what you're saying, but the reason that Alex isn't specific is because of that. Yeah, yeah, no I understand I understand. So you also claims that he hadn't talked about saying to you for two years when they sued him, but that's just Absolutely false. He and I insured it covered saying that Neil Hessland was lying on Megan Kelly's show and he said that he'd held his son's dead body And that wasn't two years before he got sued. It's almost like there was a physical clip of that. Yeah, oh yeah that soon. It's almost like there was a physical clip of that. Yeah. It was played. Oh yeah. Jimmy Dora is no idea about the reality of any of this. So this kind of blatant a lie is allowed to stand on challenge. All of this is a lie. And because

Jimmy is in compton and wants to be cool with Alex, he's just letting the audience be exposed to this with no pushback. It's pathetic relinquishing of any responsibility for the information that you are tacitly or explicitly endorsing to your audience. It's fucking bullshit. Yeah. Yeah. So Alex and Sisti gave over all the phones all of it and this leads to a pretty uncomfortable

reality. So I'm like, yeah, my lawyer is messed up and did that. I got it. Nothing to hide. I'm like, here's my three phones in the last seven years. I kept them take all the things off and the best they got was my wife taking a dick pick of me. I never, I never took a dick pick. And I'm like, look at the, I go, oh my God, my wife, does remember that time you were asleep, I took a picture. And so they have a picture of my ding dong. So that's, that's

the type of weirdness that, that goes on. Then the PR firms after they won came out and said, and they got bought by the biggest PR PR PR firm in the country right after that, that they were already big. I don't know. New York, who were they? And they, I forget the exact name of you. One all Googled. It's not the one that tried to do Rogan. Is it the scumbag might as touched, might as well as brothers.

That's the ones who got that thing going at Rogan. Who is that? Spotify controversy because he mentioned, I remember mectin. That's those ones who got that thing going at Rogan Who is that? God Spotify controversy because he mentioned Ivermectin that's those guys Yeah, I don't want to get an inside baseball Cuz Joe's asked me not to but let's just say you're hot Fuck off. Yeah, so that other voice is Kurt Metzker Oh, no, or less to me. It's co-host yeah, he's holy shit. What happened to Kurt Metzker? Well, he got in some hot water about god damn it

He actually was funny 15 years ago or something there. There were comedy pieces comedy pieces comedy There were bits of his that I enjoyed. Yeah, there was actual there was actual talent there also Alex should probably be really upset that Kurt Metsger's there because he worked on the borat Show that makes the this is America that Alex was so furious about oh my god It Kurt Metzger was one of the writers for that, but now let's just ignore that. Oh god So I can't comment on Alex's dick pick, but I will say that he's lying. Yeah, very much. Oh no No, that was that was self-taken, I believe no comment So I don't know if that's the worst thing on the phone.

Probably the worst thing was Millie Weaver texting Alex on March 1, 2020 and saying, quote, I went and hung out with the groipers at a bar last night to find out some info about them. And intoxicated leader in their group, close to Nick Fuentes, told me, yes, Fuentes is anti-Semitic and most of them are. Alex replied, quote, it's a trap for sure. Two days later, Millie texted, Alex texted Millie an article from Paul Joseph Watson's site

attacking Sebastian Gorka as the leader of Conservative Inc. And he said, please tweet this out. At the time, Nick Fuentes was in a heated feud with Gorka. And this was clearly an attempt to bolster Nick's side and Millie saw through that. She told Alex, quote, I'm not promoting Nick Fuentes as a tack conservative ink talking points. Alex replied, quote, I get playing nice, but Gorka is bad news.

Millie then said, quote, Gorka is a stick up ass, but that's beside the point. Fuentes created his army of grippers, goyum grippers, to destroy what he calls conservative ink. He's creating terms. I'm not following into the trap of using his terms. It only benefits the Democrats to get conservatives infighting. Grippers also hate Israel and use Trump's support for Israel to drive people away from Trump. And yes, Nick is an anti-Semite. Anyway, the point is that Alex clearly knew what Nick was all about before cozying up to him and giving him a giant platform. Check. I'd be

more worried about that than a dick pick. Now here we see someone ask Alex again for the name of the PR firm, and what do you know? He still doesn't remember it. These people supposedly hijacked five years of his life and dragged him through costly and humiliating court cases. He has no idea who they are. Sounds believable. So Kurt Mechskur asks him if it's the same people who tried to attack Rogan with that stuff about him being racist.

Firstly, this is funny because Alex is taking credit for spreading around the video of Rogan saying racist shit like how a theater full of black people was like the planet of the apes. Back when Rogan wasn't get a lead Alex back on the show Alex declared a holy war on him and Alex started airing these clips on Info Wars around that time. Yeah, one of the founders of Midas Touch said in an interview with bar stool sports that they got the clips that they posted from Alex airing them. But Metzger has given Alex a name that he hopes is the right one, so Alex does the most coward shit possible and says, you're hot.

The non-committal answer worked perfectly here because Metzger will hear that as a yes, which gets Alex off the hook with, you know, because he doesn't have a name on the flip side, because he's not technically saying yes, he doesn't have to worry about getting sued for very clear defamation. It also, it wasn't Midas' touch that Alex is talking about since they didn't exist until 2020. I mean, this is ridiculous.

Now, here's this super funny dynamic, where Metzger's mad at something that Midas' touch did, but Alex actually did. Yeah. And Alex should be mad at Metzger, mad at something that might as touch did but Alex actually did. Yeah. And Alex should be mad at Metzger because he wrote for Borat. It's like these people should be so mad at each other, but they're advantageous to each other so they just ignore that. This is what I'm talking about all the way back at the beginning. Bring it full circle. TREJECTORY seem weirder now. They just seem so much weirder. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I guess downward is a trajectory. Yeah.

So Alex goes on a bit of a co-crap here about how he's been vindicated by bankruptcy. That sounds right. And we know a three-letter agency used law firms. The top Democrat law firms in the country ran this law firms PR firms, but it was

the justice department. Listen to this in my bankruptcy and they were done up a cent an email. This is a year ago. The justice department sent an email to my famous bankruptcy lawyer here in well known, super respected and done some of the biggest bankruptcy in the country for like chemical giants. prestigious and says Mr. Jones will not be afforded the bankruptcy system. This is a hurdle he will not get across, and then the Justice Department came into the case. And when I'm in these depositions, they have one to two federal agents in the room hoping to find something.

And I've been so transparent, so real, all the bookkeeping checked out. Everything was true. Remember all the headlines? Alex Jones, he's got secret accounts. Alex Jones has offshore accounts. Alex Jones has hundreds of millions of dollars. You can go to Bloomberg, I was actually covering it today. You can go to the Connecticut news.

Alex Jones is broke, sold his car and his guns and his, you know, basically wife's jewelry. I am three million in the whole right now. You can read them. Here's the headline. Alex Jones is broken, selling his stuff. Here's how he got there. Bloomberg, Alex Jones gets green light to sell his guns and cars. Bloomberg, they now admit that I'm three million in the hole. I was, I was so, so again, I have underpiddly a perjury all this. So now they flipped from, oh, we were wrong. He didn't hide $400 million

to, oh, sorry. Oh, they also sued my dad, my mom, my family, my dad spent his whole savings who was a dentist for 50, 49 years. My dad has no money. Can't even pay his property taxes. My dad spent a million and a half dollars in the last couple of years. They think it's funny. They think it's funny. Cleming my dad had hidden money. I know I'm ramping on the shut up now. So and the reason why so I had said that well, first they come for Alex Jones and then they're going to come for us at if

you're doing independent news and you're speaking against the wars, they're going to come for us. And so that's why you have to stand up right now. And of course, nobody at the young Turks will ever go against the wars. They're always for the wars. Oh my God. So again, none of this is real. I absolutely absolutely has money hidden around in various trusts. I mean, yeah, that's absurd. The Department of Justice didn't intervene in his bankruptcy the way he's saying and no one sued his dad. Alex is claiming that they sued his dad because his dad is one of the owners of PQPR, one of the shell companies that's used by InfoWars to sell supplements. He was

likely interviewed about this and Alex is blowing it all out of proportion because he can tell these idiots are buying his story. And same is true of his mom. I don't remember if it's PQPR or PJR, Trust or whatever, one of those other ones, his mom is like a most owner of one of those too. But after all of that, after all of that, that whole entire woe is me, rant. Jimmy still needs to come in and stress that he defended Alex to the young Turks. It's just insane.

These two deserve each other. Yeah, yeah. It is, it is fun. Because we've seen a bunch of different examples of conflict with Alex in this one kind of episode here, right? So we've got the initial conflict, we got the spitting and how that was stupid, right? Then we've got the next conflict, which is man versus

how much man can lick another man's butthole. I believe that's a classic, you know, manverse nature and so on. Then you've got your conflict with Alex where you'd be like, here, if we're going to talk, the conflict that makes sense is just focusing on this thing, right? And it really feels like there's no conflict

with Alex that makes sense. No, and the reason that I would choose the one that I would choose is because you kind of have to just give up on anything, meaning anything. Yeah, exactly. If you're gonna talk to him. No, it is, it is fascinating. It's all full of shit.

And the only way to have any kind of conversation is entirely on his turf, but just explore that turf. Yeah, it is. It is fascinating because I think Alex has truly reduced conversation down to the Marshall. You know, like there is only physical conversation with Alex. There can never be any kind of auditory or mental exchange that will affect his behavior. True. There can be conversation, but it doesn't matter. Right.

Well, that's what I'm saying. You're like, I'm not saying like, oh, we should fight. I'm just saying that it's fascinating because he has done this. Right. And the evidence of no use in fighting him comes also from this, which is me spinning on him. It plays into his propaganda games. Yeah, there is no upside to

engagement with him. Honestly, he's a black hole. He's truly a black hole that creates gravity and sucks it into nothingness. Yeah, wow. So, um, look, Alex is realizing again, Jimmy's still being fucking needy and he needs some kind of playcation. So you decide we're probably resolve this whole thing about the Tucker. Sure. You know how you defended me. You did it. You're a good boy. So yeah, you were big back of the time you defend me. You were big. You're gigantic now. So it's kind of fair what Tucker said is no huge show. Defended Jones. Wrong. I'll fight him. I'll fight him right now. I'll fucking fight him right now. From you. And then it immediately went to journalists. I'll fucking fight him right now. From you and then immediately went to journalists and then it went to leading journalists,

then it went to the leading doctors and scientists in their field, and then it went to the former president of the United States. They banned everybody. So those are just Alex Jones. They banned anybody and everybody, including anybody who had any counter narrative to the establishment narrative around war,

around COVID, around lockdowns, around January 6th, around anything, anybody who had anything to say that the CIA, the FBI and the establishment didn't want them to say they banned, they censored, and they discredited, and I've first had to have knowledge of that. You know what, the one of the first bullshit testing on who we can like do this Do was a gamer gate those people are working real journalists. They still bring that up like that was a real thing

And it was the exact same kind of bullshit. I don't media do it to me for a week Well there we go now. We know what hurts here. I mean that he got me to deleted that piece of shit hilarious We also know what hurts here. Yep, yep. So you might notice that the list of things that Jimmy thinks people get banned from social media for having counter narratives to the establishment, it's mostly really understandable stuff. And you can kind of see why platforms wouldn't want people

spreading misinformation about them on their sites. Yeah. When Jimmy says about war, he's not talking what's on the Iraq war. He's talking about people supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Misinformation about COVID led to uncalkable number of unnecessary infections and deaths. January 6th was people storming the capital and trying to overthrow the government, so

it makes sense that a site wouldn't want people celebrating that or lying about it on the platform. But here's the thing, you could do all that stuff and knock it back. There may be some cases of individuals who've gotten the boot from one side to the other because of their actions, but swing through social media. You'll find plenty of support for Russia's war effort, plenty of COVID denialism, and plenty of people saying January 6th was good. When your actions around these topics might jeopardize the site's ability to sell ads, then you might get in trouble, but that's less about censoring your dangerous opinions, and more about money being more important than principles, which shouldn't be a foreign territory for Jimmy.

Also, what Kurt Metzger is talking about is his pretty unhinged series of posts on Facebook defending a guy named Aaron Glazer, who had been accused of sexual assault and rape by a number of women which led to him being banned from performing at the UCB theater. It wasn't that he was arrested or locked up without any investigation or evidence, it was that a theater chose not to associate him with him over the allegations. That really pissed Metzger off, so he posted a bunch of dumb shit online about it to the point where his boss Amy Schumer had to come out and denounce his actions. She made some comments about the situation when she was interviewed by Charlie Rose, which

is why Metzger is projecting his anger onto Rose instead of Schumer, who presumably could still aid his career in some way. So that's what's going on with him. That makes sense. That is probably a big part of the answer of why he's here. I was going to say, yeah, no, that is, it is fascinating. That kind of like a dark mirror version of a point of view on gamer gate is like the rational view is like, oh, gamer gate is the like proto version of what we see play out over and over and over again online now.

Sure. And the irrational view is like, Gamergate wasn't even real man, that's why we see keep, keep playing out over and over and over again. It's like, ah, that's an interesting, ah, you're insane way to view things, but it is, it is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, rock on, Kurt. Yeah, good luck, buddy. So, uh, Jimmy asks, why do they need to take you down, man?

That is a good question. Why did they need it? Right. And so Alex has a source on this. So do you think the reason why they went after you so hard and they and had to take you down? They had to do all this nefarious stuff, twist your words to take you down, was so that they could set a precedent, so

they knew what was coming, so they knew that they were going to want to censor anybody and everybody, and so they had to have somebody to start with. And that's what that was. I actually know this and I always forget the name of the article because I don't usually subscribe to stuff, but I had to get behind a paywall to find it. About six months before I got the platform in August of 2018, when Tim Cook literally held a pow-wow meeting, he admitted and decided to curate me. And they would even say why. Then they gave some fake reasons later, not saying to you hook. I remember six months before that, I don't remember the exact Wall Street

Journal headline, but there was another article about it called Hold On to Your Ten Foil Hat, Alex Shones. That was a gizmodo called Hold On to your 10 foil hat, Alex Jones. That was a gizmodo. Hold on to your 10 foil hat, Alex Jones. You're about to be taken off the air. And then it was a synopsis of the Wall Street Journal. This Wall Street Journal article was one of those articles for the corporate elite. And so it was like 25 pages long.

I go subscribe to it. And I forget things that headline. And it was NATO meeting with the tech heads in Europe meeting with news. Wow. We don't take that tone with me, Jimmy. That was Kurt. Okay. But news core splits and sells its entertainment division. We're still going to be popular. This was to the shareholders of news core through the Wall Street Journal that they actually also own on the news division. I want to split. And I'm so I'm reading this 20 some page article

and it says, soon the internet will be like cable TV. I think they use Netflix as an example. You'll have a thousand channels maybe, but that'll be it. We're not going to let people go to all these old sites and alternative sites. And we're going to do it by going after a sign when the left doesn't stand up for him and the journalist don't, we'll have the left. And we're going to, we're demonizing Alex Jones, he's a horrible person. When we then take him off the air and the right wing doesn't stand up because they don't want to be next, then when we take off the next person, the next person, the next person, it's human nature. No one will stand up and and will take them all liberals and conservatives.

And it's, I've got to find that article again. Yeah, man. He should really find that article. Sounds important. Oh my God. So I love the way that this started with Jimmy asking that question. Like he was basically restating Alex's entire premise and then just turning it into a question.

Yeah. He was like saying, could you please ramble some more about this? Yeah, it's good. It's good for like increasing your word count on an eighth grade hamburger essay. But maybe not if you're a professional. It doesn't really get anywhere. No. So that article that Alex is talking about, the one with the headline, hold on to your tinfoil hat, Alex Jones, YouTube is coming for you. Wasn't about Alex getting kicked off YouTube. It was about YouTube announcing a plan to address misinformation where they would put a label on conspiracy content

to distinguish it from actual news. Almost like community notes. Kind of. Yeah. At the time, they were also planning to add labels to channels that were state-run outlets, but that wasn't really relevant to the Alex part. This wasn't directly about Alex, but his name was in the headline because he was the most high-profile example of an online shithead who'd been really successful in gaming algorithms

to boost his content while pretending to be a news show. And a solid clickbait headline. Mm-hmm. That article actually links to the Wall Street Journal article that Alex is mentioning, and the headline of that one is YouTube takes aim at conspiracies propaganda. With the sub headline, quote, Google Unit to provide more context around some videos. You may be surprised to learn that it's not 25 pages long, it's more like one and a half.

You might be further surprised to learn that literally all of the details Alex is rattling off are not in that article and he's making it all up. It's pretty easy to elicit WOWS from idiots when you just make sensational shit up, which is what's happening here. Yeah. The article is just about YouTube making changes to its search function to prioritize credible outlets, particularly in the breaking news category. There's nothing in it about NATO or news core or anything about the internet being like Netflix.

There's nothing about a sond or attempts to capture the left and right. This is all just Alex's fantasy and because Kurt and Jimmy are idiots, they're just letting Alex spout this off as if it's backed up by a real document. They're in pretty far over their heads, but they don't realize it, and I think they don't care. I think they like it. I, I, that tone of voice for the pronunciation of wow is reserved for the fucking grand canyon and the Aurora Borealis and not a goddamn word that comes out of Alex. Well, when how dare you? It's easy to blow minds when you make stuff up and demand that everyone take you at your word It's it's pretty simple. It is it is like for critical thinkers

This is sad for for how much we've done this it is still Surprising to me that this shit works. Yeah still yep because time is supposed to change things And if you move forward in time generally speaking things become more familiar works. Yeah. Still. Yeah. Because time is supposed to change things. And if you move forward in time, generally speaking, things become more familiar. And yet somehow, well, I friend, I think that on some level, people in the space that Jimmy exists in don't care or know a lot about the reality of Alex period. So they know about like, Hey, this guy know a lot about the reality of Alex. Period. So they know about like, hey, this guy gets a lot of attention.

He seems to have similar vibes to us about like not liking the establishment. Yeah. I, let's talk to him. And let's not figure out what he actually says. And then he thinks that God gave him a mission and he's fighting the literal devil. Isn't Jimmy supposed to be a big atheist? You would think. You would think weird. I mean, I mean, again, I think it's a returns back to the like removing things down to the Marshall. He's removed content, you know, like when people

get Alex Jones, you are not interested in listening to the show. You're not interested in hearing what Alex has to say. You don't think you don't believe Alex will have another prediction like 9-11. Hmm. Even if you are like him, the whole thing is a perception and a way of communicating with people who aren't Alex that you're cool. It's signaling. It is virtue in some way. It's amazing.

So Alex continues to lie about this Wall Street Journal article. And Jimmy asks a brilliant follow up. Okay. But it was a 20-something page battle diagram. So I go on air with it and I say, I'm about to be taken off because that was a high level article not for pop culture, but for real business people to invest in news core when they split their entertainment division. and they explained we're going to end freedom on the internet and we're going to use this punk to do it. So I wasn't that I was that important. I was big, sure. And I was populist and they fear that.

And I was uncontrolled. But they chose me because I did do clownish stuff a lot. And I still do have fun on the air for hours of day. And so I was just chosen as patient zero along with Julian Assange. It was me and Julian is who was in the article. And it's very cold blooded. So yes, they admit that I was the first domino. And the feds tried to take your cat, right? Were you able to keep him? It's actually true. My wife, the cat's like four years old now. We got for my now six-year-old daughter. She wanted a cat, the other cat. We love so much.

Had snuck out of the house and got down the street and got run over. I don't believe it. So you can see the hosting chops on Jimmy Doer here. Alex just spouted minutes worth of bullshit about this 27-page Wall Street Journal battle plan to destroy free speech on the internet involving NATO and CIA operatives. And Jimmy's follow-up is what the feds wanted to take Alex's cat in his bankruptcy. Jimmy's a big free speech guy. Shouldn't it be super curious about this article? Shouldn't he want all the details about it? If real?

Like, if it was real, this is a smoking gun kind of thing. It seems like the only reason someone in his position wouldn't pursue this line of questioning further is if you knew damn well that what Alex is saying is bullshit and that any further examination of it would reveal that, whereas if you just don't reveal that, works pretty well. Works pretty well for your anti-system kind of presentation. Yeah. It's very suspicious. Yeah, that is a question along the lines of like,

and now after the so if we're better off the world, I rack cats. Are they having a good day today? We'll be back. Yeah. That cat thing was media bait that Alex's wife posted on Twitter. She made a video of Alex holding his cat saying the Department of Justice wanted to take his cat, but the reality is just that he listed his cat the Low stakes and as the vibe of creating the image of tyrannical oppression and paint silences are always me victim and the whole thing, which is pretty much what Jimmy seems to want,

which is great. Which to me, it seems like there's the simplest conversation to have with Alex about that. The real question I think would actually prejudice people against Alex better than any of his other beliefs, which is just Alex, you listed your cat as a physical monetary item. So is it alive? Or is it just cash to you? Because I would never in a million years

put either fan of your Jake on a goddamn list of valuing them. As a possession. As a possession? Yeah. As what? What value do you put a monetary value on your cap? Sure, that's nuts to me. It is and then also the fact that he's like it costs about $2,000. Yeah, that's a

All number of things are crazy about this. That's a very expensive cat too much. Yeah, everything about this is nuts Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna skip around a little bit here because There's clips like he talks to he talks about how all of his family was in the CIA and all the they've all been around Contra and stuff and tells a story about a family member who got recruited and all this but doesn't mention that it's his dad. It's just weird. It doesn't specify that it's his ex. But he just retells that story and it's exhausting. Right. And so we get to some actual like meat on bones and Jimmy is a big pro russia guy, which is couched in anti war stuff. Oh wild. So he asked Alex about

the Ukraine situation. And here's what Alex gives him. What do you say to this? What have you told your viewers about Ukraine? Well, I told them exact same thing you said because it's the truth if you go back to nine years ago The Victoria, Newland got caught on a release tapes. You didn't deny it. Yeah, ambassador to the EU saying Screw the EU screw what they want. We're gonna basically start you know war. And then seven years ago, a few years after that overthrow and that coup, where they attacked the government, killed all the police and burned down buildings and installed their new leader that was you, more anti-Russia. They then had from a CNN report with Farid Zarkarya where George Soros went on there and

bragged that he got $5 million from State Department and had done the coup a few years before. And then US troops and advisors began to come into the country. Five minutes. And train Ukrainian death squads. I just give you the country split between Slavic and kind of Germanic groups. That was a split World War II. But it's still to where Russia was founded a thousand years ago.

It is mainly Slavic, but Europe's been pushing the Russians for hundreds of years, basically backwards the Russian border. And so they began to attack those 99% Russian areas, and Putin kept saying, stop doing it, stop doing it, stop doing it. And he said, if you try to bring them into NATO, I'm going to take Crimea, which he then did a few years later, and he said, I'm going to take the Donbass reasons and denets in some of those other areas there on the Western order forcibly take. It's also a majority zone. And so it was a security zone.

I'm not a Russian file. No. I have studied the history of it, and then I knew that's how it's over. In October, two years ago, plus, before the Russians went in February, that there would be a war in that area that would go in by February if he was going to, because that was the intel I got from people I know in the military, whose sons were over there already training the Ukrainians and they knew it was coming. And so when the Russians lied and said we're not getting invaded a few weeks before, and the Reuters reporter confronted the State Department

CIA guy and said, your Alex Jones now claiming the Russians are going to do a false flag and invade or whatever. But I was saying, no, no, the Russians are going to go in. That's exactly the opposite of what he was saying. So leaving aside the immense levels of bullshit that Alex is spewing, just towing the Putin narrative line about the war. This is a disgraceful attempt on Alex's part to rewrite his own history and coverage of the war. First things first, Alex said very specifically that Russia was not going to go into Ukraine. He said that in the days before the invasion started because he was trying to run cover

against all the people who said that Putin was going to invade. Alex watched in the entire speech Putin gave on air and said that Putin just wanted Ukraine and Russia to get along and do business together. He wasn't trying to fight. When Putin lied and said he wasn't going in, Alex defended it and said that the people who claimed he was going to invade were evil globalists trying to stir up war. Then the war actually started and Alex said that it was just going to be in the Donbass region that Putin was only interested in defending those states that he was recognizing as independent. Alex said this because it was what Putin said he was doing, despite everyone warning that

it was absolutely not what the plan was. And then the war was really kicking off? Alex said that the Ukrainian military and Zelensky were on Putin's payroll and the whole thing was a charade. Russia would come in and the Ukrainian military would surrender immediately, and that it would all be over in 48 hours. All of this is a fraudulent retelling of his coverage, Metroactively make himself look like a brilliant analyst of world affairs.

Alex has to lie about his past statements in order to make people think they should take what he's saying in the present seriously. If you fall for this, like Jimmy and Kurt clearly are, you're a mark. And if you allow Alex to present this unchallenged on your show, you're essentially lending your credibility that you've built with your audience to Alex to make the audience think that they should look at him as a brilliant analyst. Yep. And that prediction that he had in that October was mostly about China, not really about Russia invading Ukraine. Boy. Oh boy. Yeah, but I mean, at least if China does invade Taiwan,

we won't have to deal with that being a problem either, you know. Sure. Alex definitely won't claim that he had credit on everything. Well, he predicted that too. Yeah. He predicts everything. So, we get off this topic and get into a little bit more gossipy, um, shooting on on Bill Mar type of news.

Sure. I mean, that's always fun. I'm glad that has no ideology anymore. I'm glad we could all just agree. Bill Mar is a piece of shit. So here we go with that. Now I used to be a big fan of Bill Marz. And so Bill Mar recently said that now it's been clear to me, since I started doing this

show, that Bill Mar is ignorant on purpose, right? Either he's mind controlled. So what are you doing on purpose? Because it's just so obvious. That's interesting. If I have access to this information, a guy who works at HBO with a million dollar staff, he also has access to this information. And he's either mind controlled. So listen, what Rosanne asked on this question, this is very interesting.

Now, what do I don't remember that? No, shit, you blocked it out, MK, ultra. and he's either mind-controlled or so listen what Roseanne asked on this question this is very interesting and wonder i don't remember that no shit you blocked it out mk ultra who's that bill marr doesn't know who and who's that he and i don't think that's a joke i think he's do you do you mean martin luther King ultra is that what he thinks? That's unbelievable. Can you believe he pretends not to joke? Ultra is or do you think he really doesn't know or do you think he's actually a victim of it? So I think Jimmy is actually suggesting that he's mind controlled which is fun. Yeah, but I think maybe you're having a bad interview with Roseanne And you make a bad joke to fuck with her a little bit or to deflect or or whatever and now Jimmy's making a bad joke about your bad joke Yeah, yeah, this is dark using it to imply that Bill Maher is mind-controlled MK Ultra

It's a little it's a little much. It is it is a visceral and and like perfect visceral and and like perfect metaphorical version of humor swirling down at the drain. Yeah. You know, like it is that start with a bad joke. The turd just keeps spinning around the bowl. And then it's Jimmy door taking it seriously. Like it means something like he's mind control. Oh my God. So a little more on Bill Mar here. Yeah. Okay. He also said he doesn't know who called Schwab is. I think in the same interview. Yes. Let me play. Here it is.

So I'm going to throw a bug on your underbell. Yeah. So who's, but who's Chloe Schwab? The head of the W E F. What's that? This is, this is mind blowing to me. He doesn't know who the people are he doesn't know what mk rory on so this is more of koshwab so not long ago bill had on someone named Bella Thorne on his podcast and she was offended because he mocked her pronouns so who the fuck is Bella Thorne she's a 26 year old actress who unlike koswab the the W E F M K ultra, that's someone who Bill actually has heard of. So he's heard of some no name

actress. Nobody's ever heard of, but he's never heard of M K ultra W E F or Klaus Schwab. Boy, he is the smartest guy in the room as long as this, the room is filled with dumb shit lives. Am I right? Well, well, that's right. And now he's trying to act like he's more populous because he knows people are waking up. Look, he's not stupid. So he's not gotten patriot then because I think Alex had not too long ago said that Bill Maher had come out as a patriot. I was on the good side. I'm so shifting allegiances. I'm so tired. I think that maybe it was a glib question. I think I would be I I would not be surprised if Bill Marr maybe wasn't in the front of his mind knowing who Klaus Schwab is.

And I think that what's going on here is that Jimmy and Kurt and Alex live in a world that is freakishly obsessed with Klaus Schwab. Yeah. And conspiracy is around him. Much like they used to be with Soros. Yeah. And maybe people who don't live inside that bubble, maybe they don't know who Clash Schwab is, because they're not worried about being made to eat the book. They haven't heard the parody song covers of Clash Schwab. This is, I mean, it's, it's a world that they live in that is full of shit.

And they're so surprised that other people don't share that reality with them. Yeah. And I would bet that Bill Mar knows what the world economic forum is or is at least heard of it. But maybe the initials don't immediately strike him. Sure. Well, I mean, I'm trying to think of like pre this show, you know, we were both fairly politically aware. I, you know, I don't think I would have a reason to be aware of Klaus Schwab name wise. If somebody was going to, you know,

pre this show, if somebody was like, oh, the world economic forum, I'd be like, okay, cool, and it'd be the head of the world economic forum. I'd be like, who's that? And they'd be like, Klaus Schwab, and I'd be like, gotcha. Oh, I know the name of the position of the thing I know. Now, no, it's interesting you bring that up

because Alex never brought up class swap until like 2020 either. So he didn't have any. So weird. Yeah, so weird. It's just that he's the great boogie man villain of this season of conspiracy culture and these people engage in that and that's where they get their attention from.

That's where they get their money from. And so, classab is anybody who's not heard of him is a lunatic or maybe they're under mind control. Yeah, he's the most evil guy in the room unless he's around a bunch of shit lives. Am I right? Ah, was a professional comedian for a while. How hard it is. Now the reality is that Bill Mars playing dumb. Alex explains it. I don't believe no, he's playing dumb because he knows these are the things you don't talk about. I mean, believe what is funny about that. No, everyone, the old tactic.

Just 10 years ago, they would have New York Times article saying Alex Jones feverishly was having a skitzoid event in Virginia outside a hotel conference center, imagining there were men with sunglasses and helicopters. Meanwhile, the King of Spain's there, the head of the defense department Henry Kissinger, world leaders, they had Marines on top of the building with

State Department security, literal black helicopters. We got video of, okay, it's in my film in game and others. And then the New York Times reviewed a film I was in called the New World Order and said it did not exist. Now, by then, the billard bird group was set up after World War Two between what was left

at the Nazis and the UK and America to kind of reconstitute Europe and the Marshall Plan. Their own document's been released by the Congressional Records Office. This is an official. Why did they have it? But they wouldn't confess it. And they would say it wasn't real, even though the Bilderberg group, as of 15 years ago, went public, started putting out press releases about who would be there, but that it's secret. Okay. Okay.

People didn't say the Bilderberg group didn't exist. They just said the people like Alex and his predecessors, like outright Nazi big Jim Tucker and noted lunatic Westbrook Pregler, were just kind of making shit up about what the group was. The group operates under Chatham House rules, where there's an understanding of privacy, which allows participants to speak freely without the worry that things that they say will end up in the press. Tons of organizations use this setup because if you didn't, you'd essentially never be

able to have any kind of meeting between people in high stakes positions that led to any actual conversations. It's not always, uh, uh, me, it doesn't always mean that they're planning the end of the world. Right, right, right. You know how a lot of people are pissed off and they're like, ah, I hate it whenever I listen to these people talking. They never cut through the bullshit. It's like, well, but yeah, I mean, if they, if you weren't listening, they would probably be able to. If there was an expectation of privacy, there's a lot of Lies. It's kind of how that works. Lies manicured speech perhaps yeah, because of this privacy structure to their meetings people like Jim Tucker and Alex and Daniel Estelon were able to create whatever image they wanted about what

went on there. It was a place where privacy was respected. So they were free to fill in the blanks with whatever worked for their purposes. People weren't saying the group didn't exist. They were criticizing this lazy propaganda strategy that these folks were using. Also known to saying that Alex was losing his mind in that hotel because he said there was a group of global leaders happening there. They were making fun of him because he got all worked up in paranoid about how the globalist had pulled the fire alarm at his hotel to smoke him out and to make sure that he couldn't do his Interview on coast to coast a.m. Yeah, that was fun people were mocking his desperate grab for attention and his intense paranoia But it's much better to present it this way. Yeah, yeah

It was fun whenever you had to go outside. Don't do that little interview. Yeah, the globalist are trying to stop me from talking to George Norie. Yeah, it was fun. Yeah, that was that was fun. I'll give him that one. Yeah, silence has a little tidbit about build a bird here that should give you pause for trusting him. All right. So the builder birds that had a meeting in Washington DC was maybe a year or two ago. And Max Blumenthal from the Grey Zone went and covered it. And that's how I know for sure.

It's for a real thing. And he documented the people who were there and the people who were coming in and out. Yeah, they meet. They meet three years in three years in a row.. And he documented the people who were there and the people who were coming in and out. Yeah, they meet, they meet three years in, in three years in a row in Europe. Then every fourth year they meet in Chantilly, Virginia at this, you live, they meet like five star

places. This place is a nice. I've stayed there before they got in there. It's like a four star giant conference center surrounded by defense contractors, Ray Theon and Lockheed Martin. I mean, literally, it's a conference center with a golf course. They can play golf because they play golf the fourth day. Oh, they play golf. They play golf the fourth day like God. Mm-hmm.

So you can get the sense of how well Alex knows his subject here by how he whips on a really basic piece of information. He says they meet in Europe three years and then every fourth year, Bilderberg is in Chantilly, Virginia, and that is not true. Of their 69 meetings, a-ha, held since 1954, four have been in Chantilly.

Alex has just decided that this is the pattern that the Bilderberg group keeps because it was true for a short period of time back when he spent more time covering them, so it's just burned into his memory. The only stretch of time where this pattern holds is that in 2008 they were in Chantilly, then Greece, Spain, Switzerland, then back to Chantilly in 2012. At that point, there were a huge part of Alex's conspiracy world, so did that three years in

Europe then back to Chantilly, that must be their entire routine, as opposed to just the stretch when he was actually paying attention to them and covering them more before he got lost in other sorts of conspiracy shit. Trump became such a big thing, right. Lot of sorrows. So now, cloud Schwab in the W E F. So it's actually once every 12.25 years that they go to Shantilly, Virginia, but not technically, but yeah, if you did the math, yeah, but but it doesn't it doesn't hold First we're not gonna do it. Hey listen guys. Sorry. We're at the 12.25 year one. So we got to meet in yeah, nope

Alex is just I mean it is interesting that he takes his subjective experience and then makes it objective. Yeah, you know This this four-year stretch. This was the pattern that. And therefore I extrapolate that out to that is their rules. Yeah. This is how they work. It is it is fun. Whenever it turns into like a into a thing that he believes is real. You know, like he he made a sand castle and then took it away from the beach and was like, no, no, you don't understand.

This is a real castle. This is a real castle that I'm talking to you about right now. And you're like, no, it's just sand, man. Yeah. You got to stop. You got to go home. You should. Yeah. So, Jimmy has a complaint about Mark Zuckerberg. And I should say it's an old complaint. Yeah. He's reading off a seven year old article here. Good stuff, but it's really just a launching pad. No, the new Mafia Silicon Valley, the W E F, the military industrial complex. Well,

look at this story. Mark Zuckerberg says Facebook of the future will be powered by telepathic thoughts. He's Facebook users and this is according to him. Facebook users in the future will share telepathic thoughts and feelings to each other. Mark Zuckerberg claims, you're going to just be able to capture a thought, what you're thinking or feeling in

kind of its ideal and perfect form in your head and be able to share that with the world in a format they can get that. He called on people to think less in nations, but as a citizen of a global community using innovations and technology for progress. Well, this sounds like exactly what every person who was claimed was deemed a conspiracy theorist. Here it is. Here's the head of Silicon Valley, the head of Facebook Instagram, the billionaire himself, Mark Zuckerberg saying, hey, don't think of just like, you know, you remember that movie, network where Ned Bady gave us that speech where he says, remember that, movies, there are only companies in the international transfer of dollars. And you have upset the

natural order of the transfer of dollars and you must have toned. That's what this he's saying right there. He's giving the Ned Bady speech. He's saying there are no countries. There are only companies. You have met all with a title forces of and both of these guys so much. All three. Yeah. Oh, I forgot Kurt's there. Kurt shut up. You're on your little bitty 18 and screen.

You talk about nations and borders and peoples. There are no nations. There are no borders. There are no peoples. There are only, I mean, then meant, and that's actually the global of speech. I've actually been in boardrooms

similar to that. And those are off record meetings. They're trying to get me to join news court and then trying to get me 15 years ago to go to Fox. And meetings just like listen, this is all over. It's a corporate global system, Alex. You'll have more in effect joining us. Come work with us.

Jimmy upset about the global community thing or the telepathy thing because if it's a telepathy thing, each tell the audience that was something Zuckerberg said in 2016 and it is definitely not coming. Yeah, also, it would be good to maybe contextualize this point by bringing up the deal on musk wants to put chips and people's heads that allow them to telepathically communicate with their devices. I mean, he's good. He's cool. Yeah. So if it's the global community thing, what's the point of the telepathy part of the story? You could find a hundred other instances of someone like Zuckerberg saying that we live in a global community.

I think this may have just been an excuse to talk about network because all of these ding-dongs are obsessed with thinking their how it feels. talking about it and being like, oh, look at how great that speech was. Like, think about that speech is about 50, 60 years old now. I think that's the only thing that I can say about it. I think that's the only thing that I can say about it. I think that's the only thing that I can say about it. I think that's the only thing that I can say about it. I think that's the only thing if you're thinking about it and being like, oh, look at how great that speech was Like think about that speech is about 50 60 years old now Nothing has changed since that speech. Maybe that speech didn't mean fuck all even if you did love it so much

Well now you're just giving up. I'm not giving up. I'm saying maybe don't do a goddamn Howard Meal speech like you're the coolest dude ever Who's fighting a revolution. Yeah. Yeah. I find it hollow. Yeah. Just a little bit. So Elon Musk also wants to put chips at people's brains. Sure.

But Alex has some inside baseball about him buying Twitter. Hmm. I always like Twitter seem like a crazy, big crazy brain. When you look at the whole thing, I'm like, oh, how do we know it's not already alive? That's a secret. Elon Musk is using it to program his AI GROC. And so they took everybody else off the internet because Google's training it system and didn't want anybody like us on the air up until this time. I don't even believe in that.

Okay. And so yes, Musk actually bought Twitter to promote his stuff and politically be involved. The real reason is to program his AI. I think a really fun exercise would be anytime Alex says I'll leave it at that. You say no. No, you're not going to leave it at that. No, but no, I mean, I'm going to leave it at that. Okay, no. We're not moving on. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm,Store ass Rogan. Yeah, deep thoughts. Yeah, yeah, you know, it's what's funny to me

about AI. What I always appreciate about it, because it's always tied up with rich tech people too, you know, that whole combination of things is it's so much like God, you know, for all these people, it is so strange how this superior Infinite power behaves and exactly like you and thinks exactly the way you do Grock Hmm, maybe maybe you're an idiot Grock just throwing that out there So you know there are a lot of really rich people that like AI and stuff sure and one of them Tony Stark Oh god Jarvis. All right. So, all right.

Let's do it then. Let's go. What movie are we doing this time? No, that's not actually where this is going. Oh, okay. But bring it up because I think in the movie of Iron Man, people think it's really cool. The way he's got that, like,

whew, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew. Yeah, it sort of uses my into connect to the computer and stuff. Yeah, people enjoy it there, not in the real world. No, that could be used for negative powers. Right, and so some of that technology is stuff that there are advancements being made on. Sure.

And this creates a lot of really complicated questions. And so there was a video from the World Economic Forum Conference, the 2023 Davos Conference, that explored some of this idea. And so now that's going to be used as a harsh conspiracy on the part of Jimmy and Kurt is bewildered. Man, I hate Kurt. Here's something that's even creepier. So Mark Zuckerberg says that this is going to happen in the future.

Here. Well, here's the W E F. This is the more I'm telling you that it's already here. So this is a, this is about a two, two, two, maybe a three minute video. And watch what they have to say. This is kind of mind blowing. Well, sensing your joy, your playlist shifts to your favorite song, sending chills up your spines the music begins to play.

You glance at the program running in the background on your computer screen and notice a now familiar site that appears whenever you're overloaded with pleasure. Your theta brainwave activity decreasing in the temporal regions of your brain. You mentally move the cursor to the left and scroll through your brain data over the past few hours. You can see your stress levels rising as the deadline to finish your memo approached, causing a peak in your beta brain weight activity right before an alert popped up, telling you to take a brain brain.

Your mind starts to wander to the new colleague on your team whom you know you shouldn't be daydreaming about given the policy against intra-office romance. Hey guys should we make this video fantasizing just a little. You're still gonna let her oh we're just gonna do the boys on it. Okay. Notice your amorous feelings when she checks your brain. Maybe it's bad. And shift your attention back to the present. You breathe a sigh of relief when you student send you later that day.

Congratulate you on your brain. We have money. Which have earned you another performance bonus. When you arrive at work the next day, a Samba Cloud has fallen over the office. Along with emails, text messages, and GPS location data, the government has subpoenaed employees' brainwave data from the past year.

It has compelling evidence that one of your co-workers has committed massive wire fraud. Now, they're looking for his co-conspirators. You discover they are looking for synchronized brain activity between your coworker and the people he has been working with. While you know you're innocent to any crime, you've been secretly working with him on a new startup venture.

Shaking, you remove your ear buds. What do you think? Is it a future you're ready for? Are you ready to look at it? You may be surprised to learn that it's a future you're ready for? You may be surprised to learn that it's a future that has already arrived. Yeah. When I saw this, it was six months old. Like at the end of the watchman, we did a plan half hour ago. Yeah.

So it's here, Alex, I'm sure you're aware of this right that this video exists and that they. Jimmy, I'm aware of that they want to turn all the work spaces into giant reeducation camps. And this is MK Ultra being externalized to the public. I had not seen this clip showing how much evil stuff the W E F puts out. How they just normalize, you're going to eat bugs, you're going to drink sewage water, which L A's now doing. You're going to live in a 250 square foot, a 5G oven apartment, coffin apartment. I know you think Alex Jones would have seen this of an apartment, coffin apartment. I know you think Alex Jones would have seen this. I had not seen this. I'm like literally yelling

at my producer. I haven't seen the memes yet. My god, get this, get this, get this. And then that shows why you're important. We're all important because this assault is so huge. And notice what she said in Star Trek, when the board cub arrives, they say, resist is a few tile. You will be assimilated. And it's always a woman they hire. They admit their documents, so it's less threatening. Sexy class rob. Yeah, don't be scared. It's already here. Don't be scared. So sorry, Jimmy, I mean, you guys are so good though. That's why I'm so excited to be on it.

Alex. So when I first saw that, it freaked me out because I had about 600 views. That's it. That's about 600 views. Yeah. And I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, and I, sometimes I couldn't understand if she was four or against this. I noticed the guy in the bag giggling like, he, he, while she's saying that. But if you look her up, it's, uh, it's called brain transparency. It's, I still can't tell if she's four or against it. That's called brain transparency. It's I still can't tell if she's for against it It's here already All giggles I hate them all so this was from the 2023 Davos conference and the speaker is Nita Farahani. She's using that story in the voice over there

to illustrate potential applications of already existing technologies in order to present an ethical dilemma. If these technologies exist and as even greater technologies are innovated, how can we protect privacy? If AI comes along to the point where it can essentially decode your thoughts, what implications

does that have on how we need to order society to protect privacy? She's very clearly not in favor of the scenario that she lays out, but if you're a pretty dull, conspiracy minded person who's obsessed with finding new little clips to pretend or revealing WEF plots, then you can see how this clip might be a little confusing. Also, they don't include any of the rest of her speech. Just the nightmarish little fucking stupid scenario that is being used as the jumpoff point to explore ethical implications of technology. And that's intentional. There's why I have context. It's one thing to be skeptical and question the elites.

I'll support that and I think that's a healthy thing to do. Check. But this is an entirely different thing. WeF fear mongering is a primary driver of conspiracy attention economies at this point. So people like Alex and Jimmy are deeply incentivized to find the next new exciting thing to scare people about them. That's why Alex is so excited to hear about this.

Oh, I told my producers to go get this. He hadn't seen the memes yet. He hadn't stumbled across somebody posting a little clip of this so he could cover it on his show. Jimmy beat him to the punch. Jimmy's doing better at finding WEF clips. Where is, where is Count Dankula when you need him? Carpey Doctum.

Why isn't the Donk send in you a link immediately? I don't remember the difference between Carpey Donkdom and Carpey. I didn't know they were different people at first. I thought they were the same person. Carpey Donkdom was the guy who made a lot of memes. Sure. And Carpey Donkdom was the guy who got his dog to do a Nazi salute. Is that what the guy did?

Okay, all right. Boy, I'll never know the difference. You remember? Sorry, guys. guys a little bit earlier We were talking about trajectories. I What a weird yeah count tank is a perfect example. Yeah, yeah, he is a figure in the right way What you gonna do? He got his dog to do a Nazi salute That's that

That is my that's my fun. I enjoy I enjoy like reading headlines now The delightful headlines that should be from the past but still exist today because people don't know like Whatever Nikki Haley said that the slavery didn't start the Civil War or whatever and it's like listen. It's 2023 If you think that anybody doesn't know that, you're misunderstanding the conversation. The conversation is, should we bring slavery back? Not why did it start the Civil War? Or did it start the Civil War?

You're not listening. If Carpe don't become a famous person for getting a dog to do a Nazi salute, do you understand that we don't need the Nikki Haley doesn't know the Civil War? Bullshit, fuck you? You're insane. We need more Ben Carson pyramids were made for grain. Yes, absolutely. That's what we need. That's the shit right there. So we have one last clip here

Okay, and it's because things things kind of fall apart a tiny bit and we'll discuss on the other side of that What's what's going on. All right. They're all this big combine. They're all this mind control scientific mad science is called and they're all told okay now it's time to roll out the next phase and this is going on right now. They have the UN Treaty, the latest draft takes control of our national medical responses to any new disease allows them to arrest or round up or take anybody, they won away. Anybody that gets in the way of the lockdown and public safety can also be disappeared.

And the union sets the policy who created the union, the military industrial complex at the end of World War II to establish the world government. So let me, uh, do you have more time to talk or do you have to go? I can stay here and I can stay here at two hours if you want. Okay. Let me, let's take a break. I'm gonna, we're having a little bit of an audio problem. Let me, let me recall you on Zoom.

Do you want to do that or no? We, we think it's on here right now because it kind of clips every so long. Okay. So let's take a, let's take a two minute break and we'll come right back. So Alex is, uh, shit, it's glitchinging up real bad and so they need to take a break and this is unfortunately or fortunately where the recording that I was able to find ends so I know that they do come back and talk more but I don't have that good I I would have recorded this as it was happening presumably but we were recording when it was happening. Right. And so I

wasn't even aware that it had started until too late. Yeah. And so yeah, I don't have, I don't know the rest of this. Jimmy hasn't put it out. And I don't know if you will even put out the full unadded version. So I don't know if someone else has the rest of this, we could cover the rest in a part two but for the other space Basically where we're at and it's not like I would be shocked if there was something in the second part that was so mind blowing that second part is where Jimmy really gets confrontational about Alex thinking he's on a mission from God and now he wants to expel immigrants from the country and and all sorts of I'm sure I'm sure it gets real like get down to business about things that they politically disagree about, you know, and really, you know, the first

first hours just, you know, fill her a little little like, Hey, Bill Mars, tell me. Yeah, I'm on you. Okay. So I don't know. How do you feel? Okay. So I don't know. How do you feel having listened to this? I feel like, I think one of the things that I feel is fear. Like, I feel that if, well, I mean, maybe let me put it this way. I would be curious to be inside the mind of Kurt Matzger, you know, 15 years ago when I

Thought he was funny, you know, was he was he this much of a shit head back that maybe maybe not because To me like look, it's funny that your primary first thought is about the third banana The other two can go fucking shooting themselves in the fire. Yeah No, no, no, the other two can go fucking shooting themselves in the fire. Yeah. Uh, no, no, what's interesting to me though is Did Kurt Kurt didn't know what his trajectory was gonna be? I would assume not. How could you right? Did Kurt know that his trajectory could be this bad probably? I mean the thing that I think about is like, you know Obviously, I do agree with you that there was a time when Kurt I think think, was funny. And maybe there is still some funny in his bones in some place. Sure. But like, he always was even then a pretty like contrarian edgy type comedians. One of those edgelord kind

of shitbag guys, but he was funny. And that's that's a different story. Even early on though, you could see the way that this path could unfold. Sure, sure. Yeah, I don't know. But here's the part that's scary or even more than that. I would suggest that there is a possibility that they don't even really think that this is a bad trajectory. No, but that's why I'm afraid. It's because if they can't recognize in themselves what led to where they are right now as being a horrible thing and how is it

you know like in my brain right now what horrible shit is like swirling around that I should be fighting with a goddamn vibranium shield and shit Well, you've done you've done well you've done 800 episodes about Alex Jones so Bibranium shield is it gets yeah, but no, but maybe you are in the bad future already. It's a good point. Yeah. That's a good point. Yeah, I don't know.

They are they are a fascinating, not really. No. That sentence was flawed again from the Trump. Yep, that's abandoning a sentence. I don't I don't fully know if this is a good wacky Wednesday candidate, Jimmy. I am more interested possibly in figuring out exactly what is the shape of his shit.

Because I do think that it is different than Alex. Because he doesn't come from like an anti-communist tradition. You know, he was a left guy and you know, he made such a big deal out of the Medicare for all, forced the vote kind of stuff and like that was like one of his big political stances over the last couple of years. I remember he was attacking AOC and all this because they wouldn't force the vote on Medicare for all.

You fucking asshole. This is a litmus test Yeah, and all this and now he's associating with people who want Medicare for none, you know like this is this this is essentially Budding up to and creating a Political allegiance and alignment with people who want you and the things that you with people who want you and the things that you ostensibly are about, gone.

So I don't know, it's strange. There has to be some kind of like more connective tissue for what he actually believes and where he's at, but I don't know if he's entertaining. You know, I think of nihil of, I think of nihilism. When I think of Jimmy Doer. Now, you know, because I think a lot of people think of this self-destruction and nihilism is that kind of thing.

But to me, like the idea of abandoning everything and just being like, everybody's gonna die fucking anyways. I might as well hang out with Alex Jones. That is nihilism. It's a good thing that is for the process. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what you know, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, I don't know if that's true of him as he is. Yeah, in learning, I don't know if it's entertaining. Oh, it's absolutely not.

I don't get the sense. First of all, I don't get the sense that he's much of a competent host. I don't find, I don't think anything that he brought to the table was interesting. No, agreed. Being a worm? Not interesting. Yeah. Even Grima worm-dung. He had a nice little smile. That's the thing I'm wrestling with. He's like, all right, maybe this is an interesting other offshoot thing to do. Sure. But then I imagine listening to hours of him. Oh, no. no, no, that's no good. Yeah. There's like a different kind of formula.

And I don't know what it is, but it does feel like people are not as interested in the show aspect of the show. You know, like this does not feel like he cares about doing a show. What is a show? It's kind of an act of collaborating with Alex, more than it is a show. There isn't like real depth or information about Alex that comes out

outside of unchallenged lies that Alex says to him, which are the same lies that Alex says in almost every interview. So it's not like you're not getting anything out of him, you're just doing the thing that people do. Yeah, and I think that's what I get from Jimmy Dore, is that this is a thing he does. This is not a, I want to do a show, this is not a, I have a passion for this, this is nothing like that, this is, I literally have no other skills. It may be I

Doesn't even have this skill. I'm on I'm uninspired. Yeah kind of by him. Yeah very much though. I don't know Well, what's the what to think on it? But yeah, maybe we'll do a part two if I can find the other audience. Yeah, we'll see Maybe we'll do another episode about Jimmy at some point. Maybe not. Who knows? I don't know. But either way, we'll be back. Indeed we will.

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