Knowledge Fight - #90: October 10, 2017

Episode Date: October 11, 2017

Today, Dan tells Jordan all about what happened on the Oct. 10 episode of The Alex Jones Show. Alex is all over the place about the Las Vegas shooting and Harvey Weinstein, but more importantly, Dan and Jordan call Larry Nichols to try to discuss his attempts to blackmail Congress.

Andy and Chanzos, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who like to sit around and drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex. Is there a twist to that? I didn't say his last name today, that's the twist.

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It's nice. Thanks, Kiran, by the way. Thank you very much. Nice to have you back in studio with me. I'm excited about it. Oh, thank God. But today we're going to get into the episode 10, 10, 10 out of 10, October 10th. We're going to get into it.

I have a very interesting exploration for us to do that. I don't think you want to do, but I have found a great. Well, let me just point this out. Before we started, Dan was like, could you go get some more beer? You might need it. Yeah. So that might be a, that might be a bad sign for us. You're angry and I know this investigation of an obscure member of info.

Yes. So the chat room is going to go crazy and say, call Larry Nichols. And we should say we called Larry right before the show. I called and texted him and left a message. Hopefully he will call back or at least respond in some way. We called because we knew if we just called and he didn't answer on the show, that's anti-climactic and on top of that, it's bad podcasting. There's, there's an ethical thing where you need to warn him that sort of stuff.

So if he calls back, he could go back at any point during the show, we will cancel the show and immediately talk to my investigation about this obscure member of team info wars is gone. If Larry Nichols calls back in, but we'll see, we'll see. I hope he calls and if not, then we'll try and call him tomorrow and we'll rename the show knowledge. Nichols indeed order in honor of him. So we'll get motherfucking piece of shit.

We're going to get to this episode, but Intel then or before then I'd like to play an out of context drop of Alex Jones. Dr. Corsi is somewhat popular on air and he does our political stuff in DC. He's done a lot of great stuff in the past. He has a lot of great connections, but it's not really sexy, you know? Yeah, I do know he is somewhat popular. Way to, way to fucking cuck out your own guy. Jesus, Alex.

Yeah, he's somewhat popular and not sexy. No, definitely not sexy. He goes on to immediately start talking about Paul Joseph Watson. And as the chat room knows, Paul Joseph Watson, sexy. But I hope he gets hit by a truck, a sexy truck politically. No, I don't think I want either of those things to happen. All right. I think I mean it very literal.

And I wanted to be a truck that says, go fuck yourself. Paul Joseph Watson on the side, a crikey or something like that. Give it some English flair. Okay. He's in London. Jolly old Lori hitting him. Hey, all I want him to know is that he's in Barney Rubble. Oh, I get it.

All right. So shall we start the show? Do you need me to fill you in on what's been going on? Sure. Okay. So Alex is spinning his wheels about Las Vegas narrative and because he was kind of getting bored and not being creative coming up with new elements of it. Uh-huh.

Yesterday. Yeah, it's hard to come up with new elements when your narrative is. It may have happened. It's Antifa and Isis and everyone I don't like. Yeah. Um, he switched yesterday onto a narrative. He was misleading people about, about, uh, a measure that passed in LA in California, where they made it a misdemeanor instead of a felony to knowingly

transmit HIV to someone. What the fuck was that? Well, the situation is, I mean, we talked about it on yesterday's show, but the motivation behind it was to destigmatize things because part of the law previously was you had to know you had it to, for it to be illegal to transmit it, which would discourage people from getting tested. So that was the thinking behind the law. Okay.

It's, it makes sense and all the advocacy groups are behind it. Yeah. Everybody who's in the know. All right. Well, then I don't know anything about it. So maybe I shouldn't have a fucking take on it. Right. Yeah.

And Alex, that's a good idea. Alex jumped on. Maybe I could just keep my fucking mouth shut for once. Alex jumped onto that and explained that it's just a way for them to get HIV blood all over the country and kill millions of people. Oh, well, that also makes sense. Right. It's, it's, it's very convoluted.

He also is dipping his foot into the sort of defending Harvey Weinstein game, which is contrary in his hell. I don't know why he's doing that, but right. There's no defending him. There's not, but we'll, we'll dip our toe into that a tiny bit on today's show, but that's sort of where we're at. And now he starts the show off by getting back to the Las Vegas situation. And let's see where you know, other stuff is going on, Alex.

Not as important. Here's where he's at today on October 10th. Why am I opening the broadcast up with this today? Nine days after one of the worst terror attacks in our country's history. It's because they're doing two big things. They're having Newsweek take the lead on this information. Well, at the same time, quietly letting the truth out so that as more comes out, they don't get burned too bad.

That makes sense. They're running big headline articles in Newsweek and a bunch of the places saying Alex Jones claims there was a second shooter and here's his proof from Monday where you can hear the gun going off. It looks like a muzzle flash, but, but by the end of the day, we found other videos. It was a strobe light and we said, okay, we were speculating there. We're trying to find out what really happened like everybody else is doing.

That's not what they were doing. That's totally normal. They ran it today in a bunch of publications like I just said it this week. On, uh, he's talking about an article that was in Newsweek. And if you actually go read the article, it says on Monday, Alex said this. Yeah, but they're talking about it like he did say it this week. No, they specifically say when he said it. I know they said when he said it, right?

But they're saying it like they're not saying when he said it. He gets tone from, uh, from, from writing like nobody else. That's a good point. Yeah. When I said it last week, this is just amazing how deceptive these people are. No wonder it's hard for folks to figure out what's going on because I can't even keep track of their lives anymore. You're not paying attention.

Here's the big takeaway. They now come out and completely contradict their official story. And basically admit, okay, ISIS may be involved. Newsweek has an article now looking at it. And maybe they are. Remember, we said that day one from our sources. Didn't say maybe maybe it was the IRA as well. He didn't say maybe from his sources on day one, but also that, but even bigger.

Newsweek LA times, usual suspects, Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concert goers. Police reveal. What have we been telling you? What have witnesses said? Those are not specific things that Alex has ever said and the shooting of the security guard was in the narrative from the beginning. Like in the news, I read about that the day of.

Yeah, but what have what has he been telling you? He has been telling me subtly that he doesn't read anything. I like it. I like that he does still have that phrase. He phrases that as a question. He still has the upward inflection at the end of it. So you could take it as like, wait, what have we been telling you? I don't even remember.

I am lost. I have said a lot of shit. I am lost in my own spider web. Maybe I got it right. I think that's what Alex is really thinking. He's like, maybe I did. I don't fucking know guys. New theory.

I don't exist. Great. So he's Jim Carrey now. It could be. Yeah. Could be. He's a liar liar. I'll tell you that much.

Bong. Almost a spit take. So I think I wish I could fire you after that. I checked out that story in Newsweek and the title of the story. If Alex is just reading headlines is if ISIS is behind Las Vegas shooting, there could be a potentially terrifying reason that they refuse to prove it. If I did it. Exactly.

Here's how I would have done it. Well, in that case, if ISIS had done it. Well, that's a bad analogy because he did it. That's true. This article in Newsweek. I don't know. Well, Jay couldn't have been anybody in this article. They're not.

They very specifically say that every law enforcement source, everybody says that there is no discernible connection between ISIS or any other terrorist group and Patek, the shooter in Las Vegas. I haven't seen ISIS hire a lot of white dudes. A lot of old Arizona and white dudes. No, they're Las Nevada and white dudes. Yeah, they make abundantly clear that that's not the point of the article, but they dive into the possibility since they keep taking responsibility for it.

What could their motivation possibly be? And the article is about the desire to get good gun control. Of course. Well, of course. No, it's the desire to create distrust with the media and distrust with authority figures. Right. So the idea is if they did it. Guys, you are way behind right that ship sailed.

My friend, the premise of the article is if they did it, they would have some proof that it was they were involved. Right. They would wait for the media to say that, you know, there was no involvement and then they'd be like, haha, your media lies to you. Look at this. Right. When the media isn't saying that there isn't like he wasn't in ISIS or anything

like that, it's just there is no evidence that he is. No one is he wasn't in ISIS. I'm pretty comfortable with that. Even look, I don't even need any if ISIS showed up and they were like here. Here's how you know he was part of ISIS. He left the jack of hearts behind. I'd still be like, he wasn't fucking part of ISIS. Right.

He was an old white dude from Nevada who fucking shot a bunch of people because he was a fucking lunatic. Right. Alex has a slightly scarier version about what's going on. And we'll get to that here in a little bit. Slightly scarier. Slightly. Yes.

I don't know. To me, that's even scarier, right? It's like an embolism because it can happen at any time, anywhere to anyone. What does that mean? Oh, the idea that he's not involved with ISIS? He's just a random ass fucking dude. And that's why gun control is so important is because this is just a random dude who got a shit ton of guns and could actually murder 58 people, 59

people and injure hundreds more and nobody really knows why other than he's insane and he can get guns. Like that's terrifying. That's legitimately terrifying. I prefer it if it was an organized military organization because then at least we could, you know, war games. You know, we could be like, here's where they might strike next. Here's where this could happen.

And instead it's just, hey, someday you might be walking out of a concert and then you're dead. Bomber. Yeah. Thanks, America. Mm hmm. You know. Yeah.

And look, like I want to double down on this point really quick that like if it does come out that he is involved with ISIS, I'll be like, that's a hum dinger, but if, but if he's not, then I'll continue to be like, there's no proof that. So that's the position I'm taking. I think that's what most of the world is taking. Yeah. We'll believe that once there is proof of it and Alex does not have proof

because to believe otherwise is dumb. Right. It's to believe rogue fantasy sources. Mm hmm. But hey, these sources, they're real. We have real sources. Now the sources be lying to us. Absolutely.

But they've been good sources so far. These are real sources. They are real. The media is like, Jones claims he has ballistics experts too, but doesn't name him. Oh, like Craig Sawyer that led major teams and still team six and as a top ballistics expert with national TV shows. Uh, just real quick, every time that saw man, Craig saw man Sawyer is on.

Yeah. Uh, he's like, you cannot say what seal team I'm a part of and every time he's not there, Alex is like, guys, it's seal team six. He doesn't want me to say what the fuck is wrong with you. He's the dude who murdered Bin Laden now. And at the same time, he's like, all our sources are real, which he says like 20 times on this episode. Well, all of his, of course, they're fucking real.

And then if you have to say it, you know, it's true. But then he outs saw man as one of his sources. And if saw man is really just the source of the stuff that he says on air, that's one thing. But Alex is kind of implying that he's telling him other things behind the scenes. Of course. And that is a problem for everyone as if seal team six, uh, members are

the ones with all the intelligence. I prefer seal team three. Oh yeah. Yeah. Why's that? I'm a snob. I prefer Avengers two, but that's fine. All right.

Age of Ultron. So you might be questioning. Yes. At this point, if Alex has real sources, I was not questioning that. And he knows, I know for a fact he does not. Well, but let's pretend he does. Okay. And so you pretend he does and he knows that Isis is involved in

this Las Vegas shooting. You might wonder why is Donald Trump not saying that? That's a really good question. Why is he resistant to say that it's Isis? Alex has an answer. So 10, 11 days ago. On October 1st, we told you play more equal music. My sources revealed to us that there were major Isis connections to the

Las Vegas shooter. Now by Monday, it came clear from our White House sources that the national security apparatus has asked the president not to release this information because Isis was planning this attack with codes built into it to trigger massive sleeper cell attacks across the United States that we'd even been predicting would coincide with the Antifa uprisings that are now beginning. They're not beginning.

And also. No, haven't you seen them? That seems complicated. I don't understand. So it's a very straightforward plan. There are codes built in. Yeah. What are the codes?

6244 seal team six. So why? Trump wouldn't have to say those numbers. I mean, do you understand? Look, what's the, so if Trump says it was Isis publicly that launches the Isis attack? Yeah. That's what's going on?

Yeah. Okay. Well, we could just say that about everything. Well, I mean, you could just say that about everything. Well, yeah, that's because it's always true. Trump has been threatened not to resign. And if he says I resign, then Isis, that's the launch code. As we all know, Trump is very careful with what he says because

what if it was a code? Right. I mean, well, I mean, at this fucking point, Trump might actually just say like, Hey guys, just what the launch codes to the nukes are. They told me. I don't fucking know. Wow. Isn't it crazy?

Yeah. Look at it. Look at the shit they gave me. Are there some fucking nuts? The code is humdinger. Is it hamdinger? That's the code on Mystery Science Theater. Who cares?

I don't know. The box where Joel finds the escape pod marked humdingers. Hamdinger. Who cares? Anyway, I think that Alex's narrative here is stupid. And I will leave it there so he can move along. All right. In this next clip, Alex talks about how the Las Vegas attack is a cover-up.

There is a cover-up going on. And then wait, they're covering up the attack or the attack itself is a cover-up. No, they're covering up the details of the attack that Alex has been trying to get his info warriors to know. Okay. And then at the end, he lets slip where he gets a lot of his information. Okay.

But the truth is they're trying to cover this up and the sheriff has come out and done as much as he can. Shane, clearly there's no way the sky acted alone. He said that last Thursday. He said it's on. He's, he didn't say that he didn't act alone. He's like, it's unimaginable that he acted alone in as much as saying it's crazy that he, if you think he acted alone, right, which isn't saying

that they have evidence that he didn't, but be that as it may. And they've said, we're looking at radicalization, but we can't talk about the evidence yet, but looks like some people may have helped him. He did say that they were considering radicalization in response to a question from someone who's in the audience. One of the press people at that press conference, right? But he didn't say that looks like some people helped him. That's from what they found in the room.

Okay. It's not from what they found in the room. So found a lot of point. He could have been a patsy. Cause the media acts like I'm changing stories. We don't know exactly what happened. We know so much. We know the official stories collapse.

We know so far it's collapsed. Oh, absolutely. Let's take a second to enjoy that. He just said, we don't know my, we don't know anything. We don't know what happened. We know so much. We know that their story is collapsed because we know so much about the very little that we do know.

Yeah. Highlights everywhere. We were right, but then yeah, he could have been a gun runner. Oh, we told you he went to the Middle East first. We told you the girlfriend went there first to live in. We told you that there were hotel receipts first. These are all there were hotel receipts. He got room service.

He got room service. Ah, that's fucking ISIS all the way. These are all so inconsequential. It was like a receipt for room service for two days before. That doesn't mean anything. You could have had someone over. Like I made this point. I think on an episode I did alone, it could have been a prostitute

for all anybody knows. It should have been a prostitute. If you're going to go crazy and murder everybody, you might as well fuck first, right? You got to get one molest nut off as we always say. Do we always say that? I do. Uh, so like all of this stuff is like Alex is like, I reported

all these things, but they don't amount to anything. It's like saying like, oh, hey, I told you, I told you that there would be an empty bag of chips laying next to the dead body at a murder. It's like, yes. Right. That just happened to be there. That was trash.

But here's what is a stealth brilliant about this, even though he's doing it in a stupid way. Hey, what are we talking about? We're talking about all of his dumb narratives. We are not talking about the fact that one dude can get a billion guns, take them into a fucking hotel and just start sniping people. Sure.

And no one can stop him and no one cares before he does it. Right. And no one knows what's going on. He didn't get stopped from getting all of these guns. Explain to me why anybody needs 15 guns. If you want to, if you want your argument to be like self defense or protecting the home, you're not, you're not fucking protecting it from a cadre of invaders unless you think it is

ISIS or home alone. It could be home alone. It could be home alone situation. Home alone to Boston, New York, right? All right. Which features Trump. Oh my God. It's all coming together.

We figured it out. And Trump is in ISIS. Done. Okay. Done and CNN and Alex. There we go. So the, the thing is, I don't know. I can't answer that question, but I will say that these aren't

Alex Jones's narratives and 4chan found him, but we published them. Check them. Rudge link to it. That's great. We told you there was a woman in their days before. We told you that she was there earlier and that he was there three days earlier.

All of that's been confirmed. Who cares? Okay. All of it's, it's a hill of nothing and you got it from fucking 4chan. Right. You know what else is on 4chan? A lot of illegal pornography.

I don't understand. A lot of people bullying folks into trying to kill themselves. Oh, and Nazis, of course. Sure. A lot of Nazis. Yeah, especially on the poll board that is where he's pulling all his information. Yeah, of course.

He makes it clear on this episode that he gets a lot of his information from 4chan and Reddit slash the Donald. So it's like, okay, you don't have sources. Isn't it bananas? How important 4chan is now? Like we had like 4chan turned into anonymous and we're all at a certain point kind of behind anonymous for a while and then anonymous went bad shit.

And then 4chan was like, hey, what if we were Nazis and then they were like, okay, cool. And now they're Nazis. What if we just stopped jerking off to hentai and started oppressing other peoples? I think some of the anonymous is still okay, right? I think there's still. Oh yeah, but they're just not doing as much anymore.

Yeah. So in this next clip. What they should be doing is murdering Harvey Weinstein. But anyways, and this next clip, Alex turns on a friend. It's grim. Now I've seen certain characters out there floating the idea that nobody got shot. I've watched.

That are the elephants. Do you've betcha 45 minutes or more of different cell phone and and and and rescuer footage and EMT footage. It's real. It's real. There's plenty of splattered heads and splattered legs and people say, well, some of them aren't splattered. I've shot wild hogs, deer, elk, nonc.

You name it with high powered rifles in the head. Many times and it just goes in and a little buddy hole comes out. Sometimes it blows the whole side of the head off. So these arguments that all these people aren't completely splattered is pure malarkey. I shot one of those giant African antelopes. I forget the names of them.

I don't want to hear this story in the head and it just went in and went out. The thing kept going and then my son was with me and pulled the trigger and hit it through one eye and out the other. No eyes and it kept going. That's how tough they are. And there was like no holes when we went over there. I don't mean to get into graphic hunting stuff.

You do the whole point is, is that anybody that shot big pieces of meat knows that ballistics do different things. I think he's a little off track there, but be that as it may the most important thing is Alex has gone hunting and he's just completely. I mean, that was that started about Steve Pacenek. Yeah, it might as well have ended with him being so like, so how about you get a gold star and you go tell your mom,

huh? Right. How about that? Sources, right? How about that? Yeah. Jesus. It's crazy.

I mean, he's not wrestling at all with the fact that like if this is a lie, he told or he's trying to tell on my show. What other lies has he told on my show? I wish he would. I wish you'd take that step, but he can't. I would also like to know what else his son is killed. Oh, that doesn't make me feel good at all. No, Junior.

So I, so my son saw a bullet explode through a fucking head. I'm sure he's fine. And then he went in for another shot. Yeah, exactly. Shot it in the eyes and he was like, there are no holes. So it's like, how am I going to teach him to fuck too? Right? Oh, it's fair.

God. Um, so Alex in this next clip, uh, he finds a way to make the aftermath of the Las Vegas shooting kind of about himself, which we know that's his specialty. Right. They don't even know what to do in MSM. And so their hope is to say nobody died. So the media can then pick up on that and then get the families

to come out and get really upset on television. That's playing and I'm not going along with it. So that's why it is, uh, I will not watch the footage again. Good. I will not show it. You want to go find it online? It's there. Uh, that's a classy move, Alex, but a couple of days ago, you

did, uh, play, uh, you did just show on your show for over a minute, a picture of the shooter allegedly who'd been shot in the head of very graphic pictures. So, uh, you're not really taking the high ground there. Uh, the other thing is the only person in the world who's saying that it was fake is Steve Pachennick. So far, he's the only one that I've seen. And so the idea that someone's trying to set him up, it's Steve

Pachennick who's trying to set you up, not the media. Do you think it's possible noted psych warfare? Steve Pachennick, do you think it's possible that Steve Pachennick this entire time has been trying to fuck with you? That would be fun. And, but even more if he just was like, I'm bored. I'm an old man. Alex Jones is dumb.

Let's see how far I can take this. It's for glory. Yeah. It's just, uh, it's just to see if you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm just doing this to see if we can take him down. Why do you want to go to the moon? Cause it's there, Dan.

Right. It's not like you actually want to do anything on it. No. Fuck that. I mean, I want to fuck on the moon once before I die. Oh, that lack of gravity. Oh, come on. Think of the positions.

Oh man, you could go up. You could go down. Those are the two I know. I just got a great idea. What's that? If we get a whole wheelbarrow, if we get a hold of Larry, we got to ask him for Pachennick's number. I don't know if they know each other, but I don't think we

can turn this into a phone tree thing. I don't think it's like, well, if you're sick, you have to call this guy and then they got calls that guy. I feel like it's, there's it. There's an outside chance. We're like, Hey, Larry, just let us talk to Steve. We'll stop calling you. We'll leave you alone.

Just give us Pachennick's number. All right. So in this next clip, it becomes clear that Alex does not know what direction is up in terms of Las Vegas shooting. His narrative is all over the place. He has no control of what's going on. He's, he's just spiraling to the point where later he has a guy named John Wesley Rawls on who has a blog called

survival blog.com. I bet he's a hero. They can't get him on Skype because he lives in the woods. Yeah. Well, who taught him how to hide his guns? That's what I want to know. Well, did he buy that book? He might have wrote it, but his whole thing when he's on it is like, he just lives in the woods.

He's like, this is this shooting is suspicious to me because the guy is a pilot. He should have just flown into the crowd like, oh, okay. Great. I mean, great. That is good point. Let me, let me explain a few bumps in the road along that way. Generally you have to file a flight plan.

Uh-huh. And if you deviate from it, especially post 9 11 people are watching especially when you're in crowded urban centers. Yeah. Also, it's very suspicious. He probably wouldn't have heard as many people. It's possible. I don't know.

I mean, it depends on the plane. That's how that's how shitty the world we live in is. I don't know, man, because there were those gas tanks apparently, but nearby if you were flown into those or something like that. I don't know, but the point is giving advice to terrorists now Dan, is that what you're doing? No, but listen, let me, let me just John Wesley Rawls.

You did a great job. Not as efficient as it could have been, but that's literally what this dude's doing. This survivalist dude. That's what he's doing. But he lives in the woods. Of course. He cares.

No one's going to fly into his house. Yeah. What are we talking to the unabomber? Who cares? I think a phone tree is breaking out in the chat room. Everyone's calling Larry. Oh, no, guys, come on. Doing it, but seriously, publicly, you shouldn't be keep going.

All right. So here's the, uh, the, uh, there's Alex spiraling out of control with the narrative. They've been told to lie. And now they're saying, okay, it looks like it may be ISIS in Newsweek and that's because they know they're not going to be able to cover it up because law enforcement isn't going along with it.

And when it comes out, it's one of my main criticism of Trump now that and saying he's against Wikileaks and Wikileaks probably got him elected more than anybody. More than info wars in our audience. Really. It's 50, 50, but no drudge. It's all in there. The constellation that brought Trump the win of the populist

resistance, but I get you don't want them, but they tell you, Mr. President, there's a code. So before we get into this part, I just don't like the idea that he's saying that there's a, like a worldwide populist uprising that they're a part of because that. Well, yeah, there's a group of, uh, you know, just people across the globe who are trying to influence things in the United States.

Just cool guys. They just, if all of these people are just connected, they all have their own secret agendas and lives that they are trying to live. It's a nationalist populist uprising. That's right. It's not globalism. No, just like an international nationalist populist uprising.

That makes perfect sense. Totally. Yeah. You don't want them to take Mr. President. There's a code and they're going to launch ISIS attacks everywhere. You hear this? I don't buy that.

That's the left and the globalist inside the FBI. He was saying that earlier as if it was what he believed and now he's saying, I don't believe that. He's just, he has no idea what's going on. I, why is he still talking about this? He has no control over his own, like the way he phrases things because it makes it seem like, like I, I'm willing to believe that at the beginning of the show, he didn't mean to say

that like there is a code, like an ISIS code and it's, but he presented it as if like, this is, this is what sources are telling us. This is what we, this is what we're putting out his news. Now he's saying, I don't believe that. That's the FBI. That's the globalist FBI. Right, right, right.

It's, it's convoluted. Trying to keep the truth from coming out so they can score political points just like they did for weeks and weeks in Puerto Rico. Blocking. Holy fuck. The aid getting there and the teamsters still block sitting on it so they have the biggest disaster possible to blame

America. No, they blame Trump because it's Trump's fault. No, but Alex's narrative is completely made up. The idea that Trump's teamsters went on strike in order to stop getting the goods out that is to make Trump look bad. So unbelievably offensive very much. So especially because the interviews that he takes quotes from include the people in the unions, teamsters and the local

Puerto Rico drivers union saying we are not going on strike. So the idea that he is taking these quotes and making this argument means he has to know that he's saying the absolute opposite of the truth. It's it's I can't I can't. So many people in Puerto Rico and outside of Puerto Rico are doing everything they fucking can because so many people still don't have water still don't have power can't can are starving

are starving families are starving and people who are there who are are all really really trying to help and there's only one small group of people who are fucking tearing this all apart and that's Trump and his fucking monsters. That's it. Yeah, that's the whole thing. So how how I hate I hate saying how dare you but how fucking

dare you totally you fucking monster. It's awful. Let's finish this clip. The same crud. I'm not going along with it. It's October. Ladies and gentlemen November fit. They claim they're launching their communist uprising.

This is the final countdown. How many days are we out now? How many days? How many days 25 days until they launch the flip revolution number two. But this time it's America and we're ready. Yeah, yeah. Smash cut to November 5th.

No communist uprising. Remember remember the 7th of November which is when we've actually planned it. Okay, I'm part of it. I don't I don't deal. I don't truck with rhymes, my friend. If I'm going to start an uprising, it's going to be a rhythmic.

Well, Alex believes that everything is based on movies and I know that Guy Fox was a real like is a real human and everything like that. But he thinks that V for Vendetta is the like is the true story as opposed to the well and Tifa is just planning through V for Vendetta that right now years ago predictive program right. It's them putting the plan out there for 2017.

I don't fucking know that's a strange that's a strange year to choose. I will say this knowing nothing about these supposed Bolsheviks here in America that are planning a revolution if it's Bolsheviks that I know nothing about versus Alex Jones. I'm going to go ahead and be cool with their revolution. I'm just going to be fine with it.

Obviously like all right you guys do you. I mean there if they're that way, wait, wait, wait, what's going on chat room chat room. I need you to be very serious right now. Are you guys fucking around about Larry asking for a call back? They're they're saying that he called them back and said for you to call him back.

But I think they're fucking with us. I'm not entirely sure I'm getting a 100% true message from that which leads me to believe that what actually happened is they called and he said never call me again. Now you're calling into a trap again. Remember to tell him that you're recording. I will. Hi Larry.

How are you today? I'm sorry. What I'm sorry to hear that just so you know this we are live streaming on Twitch right now. I just want to let you know we've got a couple of questions for you if you're willing to answer them. Let him rip whatever. Alrighty.

First off, of course, did you do you actually have information that you are willing to use to take down the GOP? Yes. Would you not yet not yet? Would you mind sharing just a little bit with us? No, no, I can't look if I did think of it this way. If I did, then we don't have it to use to force it. That's called blackmail.

Okay. I'm sorry. Well, my co-host pointed out that that could be described as blackmail in a court of law. It could be. You're welcome to try it. I think you're the one who has the information. I don't have standing in court.

So are you are you actually threatening blackmail to? But you won't tell the truth if they do what you want them to do. No, that's no problem. If you'd like, would you like to? You know, I understand. Would you like to text me or have me give you a call later? Okay. Sounds like a plan.

Hope you feel better. All right. Have a good night. Oh boy. So what we can take from what the fuck was that? What are we doing with our life? What we can take away from that is first of all, he did give us what he was aware that we were recording.

We're in the clear. But I think he just threatened blackmail and then was like, nah, I mean, it's not blackmail. I'm just saying that I have information that I will use if they don't do what I want them to do. That's not blackmail. That's just me saying that I will tell the truth, but I won't tell the truth if they do what I want them to do.

So I think that's more proof that he's threatening to blackmail Congress, although his answer would be, we are not threatening to blackmail Congress. I would love to take him to court for that, but I'm not Congress. I don't have standing to take him to court. So what we need to do is get you elected as the representative of Chicago.

We need to call our representatives not about a vote. And now I feel terrible. Like he really, I mean, he's sick and I don't care. He's a fucking monster. I do too. I hope he dies tonight. I mean, I want to get an interview with him tomorrow and we should really, we should actually.

So here is the only problem with that for some reason, even though I knew we were going to call him tonight, I at no point planned any questions. Well, that's the big question. That's the big question. But what I should have done is like buttered him up with some softballs first and then maybe he would have been trusting and he would have just jumped in.

No, no, because you knew he was going to get off the phone sooner than later. Oh, of course. He sounds terrible and I don't mean that judgmentally, but it just sounds like shit. I mean, even when he's not sick, he sounds terrible. And it's all, I mean, it's 830. I think he's in central time, right?

Arkansas. I think that's the phone says Ohio. Oh, well, even that would be central time probably. So I mean, you know, 830 for a 70 something year old dude is it does late. Especially if you have cancer. Yeah. Wow.

That's exciting. I feel real good about that. We got him basically to admit that he is blackmailing congress, but not blackmailing. I need, I need a post-coil cigarette after that. Yeah, let's get into this next clip. And I'm going to chug this beer along with the, I'm a little bit late.

I think the chat room already chugged theirs, but in this next clip, Alex is really convoluted about the Harvey Weinstein situation and our position is Harvey Weinstein go fuck himself. He's terrible. Right, right, right. And Alex's take is really super convoluted and touches on victim blaming in a way that I'm not surprised by, but I'm

acting, I'm still uncomfortable with. But as I and Cernovich said here last week, why is all this breaking so big now? We said our gut is the very media outlets that covered it up like the New York Times are now breaking it to minimize it and make it about simply hitting on women and cheating on his wife. This is better.

Oh, no, no, no, no, that would be great. For Hollywood. We are angry about rape and the Clintons are still silent. Not anymore. Now we know it's women saying he raped them. That's pretty clear. That's what it's all about when you make women come in and see you showering and make it all about you.

It's serious pervert behavior. Sure. It's trying to creep women out and then forcing yourself on them. It's cocking the women. Not really. So that where it doesn't even work from aggressive overtures to sexual assault.

Harry Weinstein's accusers tell their stories and here's the deal, whether it's true or not. And I tend to believe it with the Hollywood slime types. That's good. It's all part of the same slime bucket and it's what everybody wallet into. So it's a bunch of vampires eating each other. I mean, there's some truth to, Hey, you know what you're getting

into when you go to Hollywood. What? It's like walking down the alley in the worst part of town at midnight and then getting freaked out when you get mugged, but still the muggers are more to blame. They actually carried out the criminal act. Now some of the young 16 year old girls that watch TV all day that they're going to be movie stars.

Yeah, California movie stars know what you're going to be is a crack whore when they're done using you up. They're going to put you in a snuff film for European consumption. Jesus. They're going to torture you to death. That's intense. Truth is the child porn stuff is just mid level. The torture porn, the murder porn.

That's king. He probably read that on 4chan. What the fuck is that on Reddit slash of the Donald also here's another big reason that I don't care what the Clintons think. Bill is a rapist. Do you know, hey, if our show were bigger, you'd get $2,500 for saying that.

Well, do you know what this is something that I've really, really thought about after this Harvey Weinstein thing is that everybody's like, oh, why are you talking about how Trump is a racist? You know, we're only condemning racist whenever or rapists whenever they're on the wrong side. Right. And you know what?

There is some truth to that Clinton Clinton was a fucking is a fucking rapist. I think a lot of people have even on the left. A lot of people are on board with that. But you're right. There is more that needs to be addressed. And so is Louie CK. Right.

Like all of these people like this is and this is the this is the thing like and like now I remember how small a deal like relatively speaking people made of that when Clinton was president. Sure. How a lot of that information out and a lot of things ended up being from it was some of well some of the stuff ended up not being true stuff that Larry Nichols brought to the

forefront. That's true lies that Larry Nichols brought up muddy the issue of what Clinton actually did. Yeah, he did a lot of terrible things. But by embellishing it, it made a lot of people tune out. Right. So there is a part that our old friend on the phone Larry Nichols is responsible for some of that too.

Right. One of the things that I think is super interesting is on yesterday's show Mike Cernovich was on and he was trying to make the point that he's like oh this is like I want to say that it's really cool that there are Democrats who are just like denouncing Harvey Weinstein and sending back money that he donated and donating it and stuff like that. Right.

And he's like I you know I always expect hypocrisy and I just want to make a point of saying it's you know I expected them to defend him and it's really cool to see that they're you know they denounce you know they get really mad about Republicans but they're getting really mad about this and Alex was like wow and he just moves on to another topic. Yeah, yeah, of course. But it's interesting to see like Mike Cernovich try and

introduce that talking point into Infowars and it just be like there's a super weird thing where he's not like he's saying all this stuff that Harvey Weinstein did that was bad but then he's framing it as you know hitting on ladies and cheating on your wife as opposed to the reality of what it is. He's a rapist. Yeah, and he's defending him accidentally or intentionally. I'm not entirely sure.

Well, he has to defend rapist because I'm not saying that he's a rapist but I'm saying if anybody is a rapist that I don't know as a rapist Alex Jones is a rapist. I don't know about that. I guarantee that look here's the thing that I really can't say that. No, I know here's the thing that I've really thought about a lot with this Harvey Weinstein thing is it is something that

because I don't have to personally deal with it. I have absolutely not given enough attention to in my life. Absolutely. Sure. And it's it's it's mind boggling to me that I haven't like it for for all of my you know bullshit liberal progressive righteousness what but then in the other at the other side like all I can do is scream about how this shit is is awful.

We know comedians in Chicago who have absolutely committed very similar things. I don't I can't I want to speak out about this right but the people that we've talked to the victims of this bullshit have universally said don't say anything. Yeah. And and I don't know I don't know what to do about that. Do we just do we just name these fuckers?

No, no, it's certainly not on the show certainly not. I mean calling Larry Nichols is dicey enough territory. That's true. I don't know. I don't know what the right answer is right. It's incredibly complicated right and I don't know. No, but it's but it's something to wrestle with and it's something to listen to people and try and figure out what the right answer

is. I'm not sure. Well you you know you read all of this all of this shit and a lot of it comes down to like hey this shouldn't just be women who have to speak out about this. This should be men speaking out about it to right and I absolutely want to I really do but I don't know how to name names without the victims approval other than to say it's not other than to

say this guy is a fucking sexual harasser. He's a serial sexual assaulter and I have no proof because nobody wants to come and admit to anything. I don't know. I don't know what the fuck to do because I want to do something needs to be done. Well with respecting the wishes of the person in question you really can't so right.

I just I and that's not you I'm I'm I'm I'm worried on a certain level there is there is a piece that you're complaining about your position in this when you're a tertiary character. No I also know that right. I don't know what to do there. I want to be calm down. Okay. I'm not good at calming down.

Listen to people and be empathic. That's the best thing that we can do. Okay. And listen to this next clip where Alex pretend moving on that the Weinstein situation is really actually about Trump. If you think hitting on women at restaurants or having a different girlfriend every day is what this is all about thinking in of course they're going after him to fold.

To cover up the really big stuff and to make it about a men's war on women and show the West has a rape culture when Islam doesn't and created bigger war between the sexes before they level their guns on Trump. So real quick real quick before we get into that here is what he's talking about. They're going to destroy Weinstein and then they're going to roll women out that say Trump raped him and they'll be

such a few or such a fury that this will be the scandal they believe will bring down Trump at all crystallized this morning. I was reading all the news and looking at it and watch it's going to happen. Alex is a genius. It it happened. I believe it's like 20 at this point.

People have come out and said they've been assaulted by Trump a long time ago and the people who cared about it maybe didn't care about it for the right reasons for the people who supposedly care about it now that Weinstein is caught doing it voted for Trump. Yeah, it's so it's like that should be though. I mean the other problem is what 85% of our presidents have committed sexual assault in some form or another.

Probably. I mean it's a problem of like America is filled with white old rapist racist president. It's it's an intrinsic problem of how our culture has treated male power and it it is unfortunate and it's accepted and it's protected. Yeah, which is fucked up. Yeah, and that's why it's everywhere.

Yeah, but yeah, let's move along and get to this next clip where Alex Jones talks about how 40% of men need to die today. That's just a true fact seems like a reasonable number here is Alex talking about something else that is the if you take 100% and you minus that 40% you get 60 and that number is relevant to this clip bad transition bad transition terrible transition Trump's approval rating isn't just up six points the last two weeks they have a 15% manipulation in how they do

the polls 9 to 15 sometimes higher and so Trump is 9 to 15 points higher than what they're saying Trump's closer to 60% or higher as I keep explaining to everybody poorly just like I said during the campaign and it came out indeed Google knew Facebook knew they've got algorithms. Let me explain something so please do hold on to the let it let's explain something because it actually goes to a really fucking funny place but I'm going to go to the research cam

here because I have pulled up Trump's approval ratings currently an aggregate of all the all the polls he is currently at a 56.7 disapproval rating and a 37.5 approval rating if you were to even add Alex's very generous 15 points to the 37.5 you'd have 52.5 still still a bit south of his 60 prediction but there's just absolutely no way that works he's misinterpreting how statistics work in terms of not understanding how statistics right the idea of poll offsetting

and stuff like that but here's the here's the larger issue there's an even larger I well let me let me make my point and then I will shut the fuck up and allow you to move on all right I'm sorry for interrupting you again fair enough I don't care about the approval ratings polls because those stupid those people would vote for him again if we did the election tomorrow it doesn't matter what his approval ratings are they would still vote that we're 37.5% no no every single maybe not

everyone but most of those GOP identified voters would do it over again they would I don't give a fuck what they think about their shitty president that they elected if they would vote for the GOP again because Trump is not it's not an outlier in the GOP Trump is doing everything that the GOP has always wanted to do right right everything but he's brash exactly get away with it exactly if Mike Pence let you get away with it when you're a star yeah turns out fuck me so let's go

back to the research camp here there's an article in Business Insider that came out this afternoon that tracked the change in Trump's net approval rating and if you look at this it's down in literally every state every state since the election Trump has gone down at least 11 net points in terms of his approval rating that would be the the the approval minus disapproval right and so like even Texas Alex Jones is a strong bed of whatever he's at 14 points down in terms of

the net approval ratings to Illinois thrilled with this Chicago baby down 30.6 in terms of net approval it should be fucking higher I mean what's the it should be at 0% what's the most conservative state you can think of like Wyoming 14.1 points down I think isn't it like West or North Dakota isn't it North Dakota that's North Dakota down 15.7% or points down right so I don't know I mean it's just the idea that he's up at all in the polls or that any there's any good news

in terms of that is just he's completely misinterpreting things and lying to his audience but again I don't I don't I don't care that you know I know I know I'm I think maybe the better question rather than his approval or disapproval ratings are would you knowing what you know now would you have voted for Hillary because the answer would be no oh yeah that would be an interesting thing to try that's a better that's a better question because who gives a fuck about his

approval disapproval ratings he's the president yeah and until we until our bullshit shitty oligarchs have the balls to pressure their bought congressmen to actually do something about it yeah he's going to be the president so approve or disapprove it's too late probably so here is the end of that clip again go for it they've got algorithms let me explain something so what I got it he's going to explain something what do you explain redoing that what he explains

is that whenever you're like trying to buy a trip somewhere trying to buy a vacation you got to reset your cookies because if you don't reset your cookies they're going to charge you a higher price makes perfect sense he's up on that shit and so that leads into this this is maybe a minute and a half later weird that's good advice it's reasonable advice yeah here this is a minute and a half later I'll tell my wife if she's shopping on a big shopping cart I go honey did you

back out of your cookies did you delete them did you go into a fresh browser she'll go no no no go watch this and every time the products are lower prices magic and and I was just talking about this talking about that this morning with some of the crew the only reason I bring it up is just it shows you how digitally game to things are and how people need to be aware of that which is what we're discovering about Facebook me do a plug right now since I brought it up drink

when you go to info or store dot com the price is the price we announced on air it's the same price you see on the site we don't do stuff like wow so good smooth so good silky smooth so good I would also like one take travel advice from Alex Jones to do not buy any of Alex Jones's product I'd also like to say that that ad goes on six minutes Jesus it's so long oh boy it's painfully long right but then he can't keep talking about Las Vegas for that much now he's got to talk

about air filters and shit so he does a six minute ad goes to commercial and then comes back and gets into something else that's stuck in his craw escape from the new world order and we're doing a pretty good job folks also if anybody knows what that music that's playing behind him is I need to know the spell they had over this begins to break well here it is from CNBC NFL owners to consider rule change that would require players to stand for the National Anthem oh

there's already a rule but they want to act like they're doing something total deception in that headline but you know what that is a big old fat juicy white flag I think that's code isn't that the opposite though it's the NFL giving in to Trump waving the white flag oh okay well yeah then it's absolutely right okay it's absolutely what they're doing I also still think it's a little bit of a little bit of a whistle little doggy whistle what the white flag yeah because

really hard did he hit white but he didn't see he didn't hit white no he didn't do the white he did what he just said white he didn't say white yeah I don't know it just struck my ears and then he's like they're down he says they're down like 50% in viewership but he says that's 50 juicies gross that's disgusting gross why is it he can make describing numbers gross I don't I don't know I don't like him calling anything so anyway we have one more clip and then I'm going to dive

into my investigation that I I I hope we have more than those four beers left I was going to say we're already about an hour in and you are just now getting to the meat of the episode it's not so much the meat it's a special report let me actually let me rephrase that and I have kept you from diving into the meat of the episode for this long started screaming a whole bunch I did be fair we're making good time we're like on a road trip and we're like all right we'll get there we'll get there

we're not going to miss the show all right at a certain point I'm going to be the one who's screaming at you we'll get there when we get there yeah here's the last little clip of Alex just saying weird stuff that I think is coded language the ghost to the old republic is rising again the Renaissance the electricity of human freedom burning in the hearts and minds of men and women everywhere here's Bannon I would love that to be my intro coming up on stage the ghost of the old

republic is rising the Renaissance here's Dan here to do a tight 10 give it up for Dan Friesen yeah he introduces Bannon talking about how they're going to primary all these Republicans who don't go along with the Trump agenda and how they're going to take down establishment republicanism and right good boy all right you guys fine you guys fucking okay have a war within your ranks yeah the only thing that's actually negative about that is what's going to come out of

that war obviously is like Alex Jones's team is going to win right the other people are well what they what they don't realize is that they created the dumb people that are going to destroy them much like how America always Republicans yeah much like how America creates its own enemies so did the GOP imagine that they were capable of controlling this monster and then it came it comes back to defeat them no no no but my my issue that I'm I'm I'm talking about is the idea that for us uh-huh

it's a negative that they're going to destroy the GOP establishment because what comes out of it is so much worse like these Alex Jones School of Liberty Movement right that's right because at least I mean look establishment politicians aren't great but right well they're not they're not as close to sovereign citizens that's my position you want to be as far away from sovereign citizens in general as possible yeah I I do think that there is an a a legitimate parallel now between

the progressive wing of the left and the loonies on the right and there's only one connection that they have which is that a growing number of people are realizing that the system we have is fucking up and it's killing everybody and the Republican lunatics who are trying to destroy the GOP establishment want to kill more they they're doing it they understand the reality that shit actually has to change and it has to change really fast we can't we can't allow it to do

this yeah so the the that is something that I do have in common with them and that I do also realize that neoliberalism and neoconservatism which are essentially the same thing with slightly different cultural values right are both leading to the end of the world agree so fuck you let's move along I mean I don't I don't disagree with you the only point I was trying to make is that the idea of wrestling against a more robust bigger Liberty movement is a scarier prospect than you

like trying to win against dumbass I think I disagree all right I think I disagree entirely well there's about a couple million people with five million guns that are gonna take that up with you yes but they are when you reveal how white supremacist the GOP actually is the people who are theoretically in the center are going to realize are going to lean back towards oh Nazis are bad like all this is doing again is revealing how utterly fucked up and racist the GOP

has been always yeah it is not it is not a new movement this is what people believe look lynchings didn't stop they didn't you know maybe maybe that how many cops are murdering black people still yeah it's it's they just changed form yeah it's the same shit and 20 years ago even though we theoretically had a more reasonable GOP it was still going on we just didn't talk about it and so now they're just revealing that they're monsters I'm not disagreeing

with you at all I'm just trying to figure out how to pivot into this investigation I like how having a tough time I like how I don't know if you've ever listened to anything I've ever said you're just always thinking of like what's the best transition yeah what's the word I'm gonna use I think maybe the only time you've listened to me was after that 40 to 60 transition you're like oh I don't have enough time to think of something good speaking of something that's good

I love you dad I love you so today on the October 10th show yes we have an appearance from one of the lamest obscure members of the Info Wars team would you like to make a guess of who it is lamest obscure yes I mean it's definitely not rainbow snatch no rainbow she's a star rainbow snatch has been taken out to pasture is not around anymore and whatever happened to your girl Millie no person no no no you're a macadamia and macadamia and macadamia would never be

described as lame or obscure how dare you how dare you she's she's gone into obscurity though I haven't heard from her no yeah she's I don't know she was in Florida for a bit with her grandma like a hurricane hit oh I don't know hope she's all right we're getting we're getting a guest from the chat room mark dice clay that is incorrect jacari Jackson that is not correct oh jacari's never coming back he's not going to hurry is never doing much better yeah it is John bound oh

that's right I remember that name John bound makes probably the worst most poorly thought out special report that I've ever seen on Info Wars and I'm going to that's saying a lot I'm going to critically deconstruct it piece by fucking piece until there is no bone like no all right left on these bones do you want me to put Cthulhu here while you do that and then I'll just I'll just come back whenever you know I could use your feedback okay so here's how the the report

starts out has to do with this supposed Bolshevik Revolution that's coming up all right and Antifa gotcha as we face the coming tide of the violence that Antifa the Democratic Socialist and other treasonous groups are fomenting it's important to see their Salinsky I tactics for what they are and Saul Alinsky's handbook for the coming uprising of the left titled rules for radicals we can clearly see how Salinsky's rules are being applied so have you got the premise the

Bolshevik Revolution yes these traders such as the Democratic Socialists and Antifa right they're going to be making their move in November as Alex has pitched everybody of November remember right it was a fifth night of November and you get mad at me for derailing things I drill the more fun so you just you scream I sing fun songs so there John bad hold on real quick. Did he is it Saul Alinsky yes and then he shortened it so

to Salinsky yes I am not a fan of Saul Alinsky is one of these guys who's like George Soros in terms of their these universal boogeymen of the Liberty movement and he did write a book called rules for radicals and this John bound fellow he thinks that he's cracked the code okay about what's going to be happening and the tactic is it ISIS ISIS 6969 not he goes through the rules for radicals in Saul Alinsky's book and they in the report he provides examples of a bunch of

them that the Liberals are doing okay and I would like to propose versions that Info Wars is actually doing in a more real way so here's the first rule rule number one power is not what you have but what the enemy thinks you have well let's be clear that auntie far not calling on the government to censor anyone in fact that they they resist the notion of turning to the government or turning to the police we've seen have been infiltrated by white supremacists who have

been sympathetic to the court sort of return to law and order notion of fascism and so the idea is the real enemies of free speech are fascist we've seen that historically so that is a that is a guy who's a teacher at Dartmouth I can't remember his name but he he goes and gives media appearances about Antifa a lot I am not entirely sure how that clip demonstrates power is in perception basically in fact I don't believe he's in no point during that clip did he claim to have more

power than he did no or presented at all right which is kind of what Alex does all the here's a clip from last week I have gotten this and no cameras please guys this is from a law enforcement source and the information is the news is lying FBI HRT did the hit on the guy naturally and they found Antifa information in the room and photos of the woman in the Middle East so he did not kill himself the FBI hostage rescue team killed

him because he was firing on them so he did not want to be taken alive and reportedly he did it and it was Antifa crap everywhere and other things I'm not supposed to mention oh sure that is directly from the hostage rescue team by the way Paul and I'm going to delete this information now keep going obviously that's huge that's huge if it turns out to be true Paul Paul this is from high level CIA right here to directly from this is from a hostage rescue team

you know I don't make sources up now all I'm saying is that I'm going on the information I have and I don't know so even Paul is like yes you do yeah and like I mentioned when we played that clip last week I he Paul basically rolls his eyes yeah he gives like a kind of look so perception is what Alex Jones is playing with you don't have that information Alex you just want your enemies to think that you have that right information so you are

using rule one of rules for radicals like hey Larry Nichols can you really blackmail the GOP no exactly here's rule two number two never go outside the expertise of your people stabbed a police horse in the neck with a knife was the horse racist Trump supporter yes so I didn't know what is you see the horse is a tool of the police and police under the Trump administration have been increasingly intolerant so I don't understand how that works either for his example

yeah also I don't think that's a very cogent argument from our our antifa fella so if the idea in rule two I know they were just I mean the guy who's going on Fox is going to be a buffoon yeah that sounds about right but the idea of the rule two is stay within your expertise right I don't understand how that demonstrates staying in Antifa's expertise well he doesn't know anything about horses fair I would posit that the way that Alex just constantly talks about the

globalists and things that no one else really knows is real or pretty sure doesn't he insist that he is more knowledgeable than many experts in their field absolutely how about climate change do you know vaccines sure knows more about vaccines than people who make vaccines right who else I can't speak like three languages well no but he also like like he just has his own he has his own world that he lives in any state he stays inside that all of the narratives right

whenever their guests are on who are like who don't get along with him he doesn't drift too far outside of whatever his thing is we've seen it when interviews haven't gone well he doesn't engage with things that are necessarily outside of it so let's go to rule number three number three whenever possible to go outside the expertise of the enemy we have real so were you about to play a clip where and he says we have real sources no that's just that that was accidentally

the next clip when it when possible go outside enemy expertise here is a clip of him from when he was on Rogan hell in 2005 the Department of Energy program for aerosol testing was five million dollars a year so under US code title fit me chapter thirty two subsection one thousand father and twenty eight paragraph B is that true you nailed that right yes we from Mars under US code do you live on that obelisk that was fucking insane so I mean all right Eddie

all right Eddie Bravo he knows that people aren't going to know what that is and so he throws it out he goes outside of other people's he takes them off guard or when he brings up like the Hellfire Club and stuff like that if that's classic what about is right if you don't know what he's talking about you're not going to be able to engage with it right most of his globalist narratives are exactly expressing rule number three rule number four number four make the enemy live up

to its own book of rules he does that all the time oh yeah absolutely even when it's not here's where I ran out of time before the show and I don't have clips to demonstrate all of these but if you if you are watching this show you have seen them all demonstrated yeah so here's rule five number five ridicule is man's most potent weapon is someone who has cops in my family I'm offended by that because the people I know who are cops they have kids are they immortal so I don't

that was Kennedy are they former MTV VJ Kennedy interviewing a guy who's on the left I guess I don't understand exactly like you just him saying are they immortal I mean like I don't know if that's ridicule are they immortal I think that might just be a snippy comment isn't wait is is she the no the guy is the the liberal he's the Salinskyite gotcha so Alex really don't want you to indulge in Salinsky either Alex ridicules everybody he calls people he called Adam Schiff

archetypal cocksucker he does voices to be all the time right he does nothing but ridicule people because he has no argument that he can really stand behind right here's rule six number six a good tactic is one your people enjoy they'll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more my dear friends so the example that he uses his people chanting that at Jeffsy hearing the Jeff sessions was was before and I would

I would like him to be in front of the same truck that Paul Jeff to get him to London we got to get him to London so the like in the movie Snatch I would argue that the tactic of paying your audience to yell Bill Clinton is a rapist on TV that might be indicative of you know making your tactics appealing to your audience you would be better at picking out people who break these rules seeing as how he has a lot of experience breaking the or do do yeah exactly he's an Alinsky yeah

exactly I mean you just you know he he's made his tactics essentially just bullying anybody with progressive leanings and that's very appealing to the audience what are you doing how does he does he think okay so when he chose those clips does he did he not have any better clips like because look I'm sure you could find some I could Google some clips of people saying dumb shit like that totally right like it wouldn't even be that much research there are much better versions

of liberals ridiculing exactly yeah I mean fuck just pick our show sure just do anything that I do here's rule 7 number 7 a tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag don't become old news in the last week Alex Jones has been pitching conspiracy theories about the Las Vegas stuff but when it started to get boring he switched up into the LA the HIV thing we discussed earlier he switched over into all sorts of other things yeah that's definitely that's definitely a rule that

we do not follow he constantly moves along he just he just absolutely like you know we talk about this all the fucking time like if exactly we don't follow that rule right but we do follow the next rule rule 8 number 8 keep the pressure on never let up I would I that one's us I would also like to suggest that that's him because he's still complaining about Hillary Clinton all the time so he's he's he's working with this rule so here's the here's rule 9 new part of the drinking

game number 9 every time they do one of Saul Alinsky's rules everybody has to drink alright I'm fine with that yeah here's rule number 9 number 9 the threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself I would argue that Larry Nichols threatening to blackmail Congress is 100% that Alex Jones also threatens to reveal like all sorts of secret information all this stuff so here is rule number 10 number 10 the major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain

a constant pressure upon the opposition I don't think John bound knows what that means because he does not have a clip for that one so in the next one you know here's rule 11 number 11 if you push a negative hard enough it will push through and become a positive violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog I would argue that I would argue that you would say that it's Antifa getting sympathy yeah but you could

make easily the same argument of your alright fascist weirdos you mean Nazis yeah getting sympathy by getting beat up all the time yeah or pre you presenting it that way you know that Buzzfeed article really put us into that place where it's like okay now you're a Nazi until proven otherwise if you're on the alt right yeah that's that's and I was already there I already well obviously I was already there totally but be that as it may like the idea that you know whatever argument

he's making you it's a two way street it goes both ways my friend right and you're fucking up with this special report John bound so here's a rule 12 number 12 the price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative never let the enemy score points because you're caught without a solution to the problem I would argue that they're not great at that they are the worst at that I don't know if they have solutions to literally any of their problem but they have fake

solutions that's true the idea that all our guns all coal is clean that sort of stuff yeah they have fake versions of it so they absolutely they do if you got into an argument with them about anything he would have a solution for it it just wouldn't be true right so here's the last rule here's rule 13 number 13 pick the target freeze it personalize it and polarize it white people white people not me because you know what out there in this in the premises of the

university I deal with microaggressions on the day as do other people cut it I would argue that most of the time Alex Jones is saying that globalists want to kill your family and their pedophiles and they want to rape your kids and take them out of your backyard yep I think that's personalizing it quite a bit could be so of these 13 rule because this is where it goes to commercial right these 13 rules we're at 12 out of 13 at least yeah because John bound didn't understand that

one and I'm not sure I do right right at a certain point maybe we should just go through the psychopath test and just be like oh that one's Alex I think it's all of them that one's Alex that one's Alex but you know I'm saying like guys get it together you have you have millions of dollars make a better special report anyone who's thinking would just see right through that but isn't that one of the rules like it isn't that one of the rules is ridiculing your your enemy

strength so pulling up that what's not ridiculing your enemy strength is just ridiculing our well but a powerful weapon right but isn't that exactly what that is like leaning directly into it because that's the same bullshit that we've been dealing with all along right where Alex is like whatever it is they say we're doing is what they're doing and so of course you go right into the shit that you're like all they really need to do is go through like a list of the shit that they

do and just claim that the other side is doing it somebody asked what you were smoking the other thing I would like to say is that the argument that I intended to to weave the kids kids should not watch the show don't glorify smoking the argument that I had hoped to sort of transition this to is sort of just ask you the question what do you think the enemy is who Alex is using these tricks on because I would pause it it's his audience it's not the globalists look at

the rules well the globalists don't exist right but look at the rules power is not what you have it's what you appear to have he only appears to have this sort of fake the secret of information to his audience who has bought into all this right globalists or the people in power don't actually believe Alex Jones has shit right don't believe any of this stuff right no one cares right the only time he shows up in the news is when he's making a fantastical claim or saying

some dumb bullshit or you know all of that stuff stay inside your expertise exactly that's what he does with his audience of course and if they call him on it like with the Sandy Hook bullshit you just go outside of their expertise and say well look there's a ballistic evidence or why did the school go down and that whole thing make the enemy live up to its own rules consider that if you believe in liberty you have to give us money right we're the only ones who are fighting

for your money ridiculing I think it's a little more subtle I think they're making fun of their audience just by just by existing yeah make your attack a tactics appeal to your audience I think there's actually never let up threats work without follow through he always teases stuff that never comes up in this entire episode we're gonna get through listen I'm gonna get through all of these articles I've got a hundred sheets of paper on my desk we're gonna get through every single one

of them to create constant pressure he does that all the time a negative you know like getting beat up is actually a positive right he constantly pretends that he's under massive censorship and oppression when the secret services outside his door right he is there on air unaffected all the time he is not being censored in any way right though he says abhorrent things and allows Larry Nichols to commit a felony on the air always have a solution so do we I mean we pushed

back on it well we kind of made him commit a felony asking him if that's what he was actually doing you know all of these are you committing a felony right now absolutely and then he makes it personal uh-huh he does all of these things to his audience his audience is his enemy he's using the whatever these sololinsky tactics are against his audience thank you right solinsky it's stop it god dammit dad so here we go we're done with John bound and I apologize for making

people listen to his terrible voice over it's garbage but in this next clip something he gets into some Trump news and it's incredibly scary this is not a clip I'd heard outside of info wars and boy it's fucking scary wow and so North Korea is out of control I'm not calling for strikes on him but what if they strike you know we've got to be in a strong posture here so so that we can back them down and get some daytime going a lot of folks criticizing Trump on being strong

on North Korea I think are encouraging our enemies quite frankly because this is not the same old neocon government in my view but right now let's go ahead and go to this clip this is the column for the storm in case you missed and as he walked off he gave thumbs ups the idea that like days ago he is saying this is the calm before the storm indicates that he's gonna do something yeah I think we're gonna see a nuclear weapon dropped I only think that's possible

if we do it no exactly that's what I'm saying I don't think there's any I think I think it's very possible that Trump is going to detonate a nuclear warhead I think it's more likely than I want it to be but the super likely the idea that the reporters are asking and he's like you'll find out is fucking that's very terrifying right that's a threat that's not like that's not a cock head ish answer to a question now that's a oh you'll see yeah that's fucked up that really terrifies

me in ways I'm incredibly on a uncomfortable with so remember earlier at the beginning of the episode we found out Jerome Corsi not sexy he's really boring not sexy Alex gets deeper into that about how his articles are boring and they don't go viral but then Alex makes a startling omission I'm pretty sure it makes him not a journalist but we already knew that show the articles don't go viral on info wars a lot of folks read them but they're just not viral like a Paul Watson

article but when you talk about delivering and we're not getting paid any lobbying money for the American people that's who we lobby for us myself you remember Rand Paul wanted to come on six months ago his plan got pitched through doctor Corsi and others but frankly Corsi first put out the plan and got the documents about defunding it and and and not letting him raid Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac he's talking about Obamacare we went over this in detail in a episode like six months ago

or so yeah the idea that they were raiding Fannie and Freddie is absolutely not true there's money that came from settlements and stuff like that and money in the government is fungible right be moved around all over the place they're making this up but Jerome Corsi apparently is lobbying in in in Washington that's not good that no yeah don't you want your news outlets also lobbying for you no Dan no don't you need your news outlets to lobby for you no because they have your

best interests at heart I don't believe they definitely don't have their own best interests at heart that doesn't sound like human nature at all I don't believe you're all altruistic especially whenever it's a corporation look or perhaps somebody with a serious agenda if Alex Jones was trying to lobby like if you successfully lobbying the government and he got his way they would have like the school lunch program would be gone and it would be replaced with super male vitality like

or caveman they just have caveman for all the kids oh by the way I can't get audio of this commercial because it only plays during the live thing the commercials are cut out from what I end up taking the clips from but there's a there's a straight-up commercial for caveman where he blames caveman or he gives credit to caveman for his son going through puberty well don't you want that in our elementary schools I guess I'm apes go through puberty much much earlier than humans do isn't

that what we are isn't that what we want to be again I guess so just classic male behavior anyway here's the rest of the clip so he picked it's not about credit it's showing how there's that's why they want to keep him full wars off the president's desk because the president when he gets back on it this is huge but you get Corsi on tomorrow. I'm not pulling Corsi it's like some guests aren't super viral but with targeted audiences they're super effective look at

this article by Kit Daniels as we predicted Trump assigned Rand Paul healthcare plan Trump joins forces with Senator Rand Paul and it's got the whole plan to basically defund it even if they don't get rid of the whole bill themselves they just defund it and then that helps the American people not get ripped off it forces states to bring in competition it'll lower prices give you higher quality care it's not going to do any of that boy this is sad.

This we're back we're back again does he really believe that I don't know I feel like that one that one is one that he really believes mainly because I don't think he understands how that works right for first off he doesn't understand that the insurance industry is ultimately socialized care like he doesn't get that the entirety of it is you pay even though you're not sick because people who are sick will use that money and if you get sick the people who aren't sick are going to

give that money to you in order for you but there's just a corporation skimming off the top yeah right yeah so he has to believe that if you get rid of those protections then the corporation won't skim the money off the top but what he doesn't understand is that it's the reverse we're gonna skim a lot more yeah so I think he does believe that one he's dumb I think that one is dumb on our stupid versus evil continuum it's possible I think we're in the dumb but the way you fake

laughed like that the middle of it makes me think evil but also I don't think I think he's a sociopath so he doesn't know how to laugh in reality I think the most likely thing is that he is dumb and his alignment is naturally evil okay and so he just has a baseline of evil even when he's being dumb I think that's possible okay anyway in this next clip yeah in your in your dungeons and dragons like nine things right there don't have to create a 10 where it's like it's not lawful

evil or chaotic evil or neutral evil stupid it's just stupid evil yeah it is next clip drum coursey not sexy this next clip super sexy young people are more interested in threesons than ever that's a big article out University of New Brunswick found Canadian students thinking more freely about threesons that are held back by experience because of fear of being stigmatized no what's happening is they're less sexually active now on average older people are more active and so they see

all this online I think that's what a relationship is until they actually experience it and it's not all it's cracked up to be just ask anybody I've read about that myself never actually did it I've been psychological studies is that it's not very fun let's continue I'm unhappily married I think this is a new a new addition to the drinking game in the chat room is Alex Jones says he hasn't done something sexual that what he totally has that's that's great I've read about

it fuck off man what are you talking about yeah get the fuck out of here with that I mean that can go bad but that that that's also like that's a lot of fun I enjoy I enjoy that clip but that's a good example of when he's sitting down and trying to get through the news that's how he does it yeah reads a headline is like no that is that is a good terrible coverage his news analysis style is just but actually like I would never want to want to be in an improv scene with him

shit improv that would be terrible we have one more clip left and we get into finally some racial shit to say it like that we're not going to talk about the NFL are we know the NFL is done for now but it what it was is so some some statistics came out today about crime and I haven't had a chance to read all of them but the way Alex is presenting them is like aha it proves all this crime is black people transparently false right I haven't looked at it but my

gut tells me he's not being accurate that's just my feeling will percentage wise if I was a betting man right I bet on you I'm fine not knowing entirely at this point because this is going to come back up on a future show I'll get some research by then right so for now tentatively strongly disagree with Alex but this clip was worth keeping in just because even even without knowing anything about what the statistics he's talking about we can still say he's a piece of

shit right is really being targeted racially is white people I hate black people know does that mean the most black people are like this no but it means the new black Panther Party and other groups putting CNN promote killing white people as if they deserve it because they hype up the few questionable black deaths as if it's the end of the world to create the racial division totally cold blooded and completely and totally sickening I'm gonna go back to feel your phone calls

here in a moment but just again briefly it's about to end caveman with the bone broth with the turmeric with the chocolate mushroom with the other concentrated things like it is about to sell out what a piece of shit drink what a piece of garbage have you even heard from the new black Panther Party in years no right no like that's just another boogeyman I and also look neither of those two are advocating for killing white people because they deserve it I am right but I think that Alex

would like he goes along with his narrative because it's freaked out white people who are doing it whacked out white people yeah well I mean yeah that's me yeah I mean look if you're gonna like I would be fine if he picked me as a boogeyman that would be great mainly because I think Larry Nichols is going to now I could be able to sleep tonight oh my God I can't wait can you imagine like you called him left a message then multiple people called him and told him to call you how

freaked out that's fun that's weird and it's a house phone so he didn't keep your number from before of course not he doesn't remember oh Jordan was the guy who called me about Alex that one time months ago cool boy yeah we're gonna have to seriously write down some questions because if he's if he wants to talk again tomorrow then I want to make sure that we actually do have I can wing it because I had a lot to ask him okay tell me more about Linda Bloodworth Thomas you know he can't he

can't hear you no no you'd have to talk I need to go buy a new cord for right right right board well he did hear you on that one question right and I do have it on speaker so yeah well you're gonna have to yell it all right we'll figure it out yeah but anyway so today we got through Alex is stupid he's convoluting this Las Vegas narrative to the point where he can't even keep track of what's going on he has totally real sources John bound sucks at doing his job I mean that you know

what I was sitting there at work today or John bound is amazing is doing his job when his job is he's a sleeper cell well unless his job is voiceover in which we both agree but if you're if your job is to insist that the other side is doing what your side is doing crushed it well but he did it so poorly that it makes it obvious that's true yeah I mean look the reason the thing that I came to when I was listening today was just like this show is bad and I know that that's like

I'm ten months into like and studying about yeah today for one of the first times I was like man I would like to get them in shape they need a manager yeah you know they need someone who's not Alex telling them like this is not going to fly right John bound do you think this report is good enough right Alex come on you got to make these less transparent moves to add right what are you doing this is clunky as shit you're embarrassing your main problem

with the show today is it wasn't slick enough to be really effectively evil I had many other problem but it was the first one of the first times that it really got in my head that's like they need a program director yeah they definitely do because at the beginning of this entire podcast your entire thought process was like look this dude is good at what he does I think he's bad I think he's evil I stand behind a lot of that not today no today man no but I think he still is good

at bring back rainbow snatch that's all I'm saying I still think he's good at what he does in terms of like being slippery and yelling on a mic but I don't think that he's good at what he does in terms of running the entire operation right I think he definitely I don't know how much Buckley is doing but maybe should do more behind the scenes well he needs more people better behind the scenes because this shit is it's bad but this is a bad show but that is the inevitable issue

with that right and it's the same thing with Trump he is except like what Trump is a horrible evil psychopath who's going to get us all killed right but as far as that guy getting elected he has to be good at fucking something right he's very it's the same thing with Alex but if you're not an idiot you know you don't want to work with him because that's a dumb shit idea right so the only people that will work with that's why that's why he needs a bright

eyed young competent program director named Dan is that the secret idea behind this old podcast is like Dan by the end of 2017 shall whip info wars into shape the problem there is that they're a bad propaganda outlet it's I mean if I were a Trump I would be kind of ashamed of the sloppiness of it and here's the other can't be ashamed of anything he's unashamed he's unashamed that's why I said if I were him yeah that's true but the thing I was thinking about

was like I accidentally have watched a little bit of the real news with David Knight and he's boring as shit he doesn't have the skills that Alex has but the show is much better produced David Knight doesn't freak out and lose his place in things whenever he does the ads they're very concise right there they're a little more classy in terms of how he gets into them he always knows when commercials are coming up he's never caught off guard he's never in the middle of

screaming before a commercial he's a boring but competent broadcaster at least in terms of like what is acceptable broadcast right and I know that in NFL terms he's a game manager right as a quarterback or a ring general pro wrestling plans out there but like I at the same time understand that Alex Jones Steve Nash Alex Jones would not be what he is if he wasn't bad right at his job of course of course so it is this it's this classic it's a it's a it's a paradox but

that's the it's a paradox that makes him interesting well that's the crazy man theory of foreign policy though is that a an unhinged actor is somebody that is far more threatening right so if you have a Nixon in there it's like I'm more afraid of America because I have no fucking clue what that guy is going to do that kind of thing yeah or Trump the prediction in the chat room is by next year I will be working at info wars and you will have a gun and then the further

prediction you wouldn't pass a background no I listen I would pass a background check but I can't have a gun because I have a history of mental illness and my medication is working perfectly right now but I can't have one history is shown that you could still get one exit well I know I know that's I I won't get one on my on my terms I sport because it's too it's too terrifying to me it's a it's a because it's a button it's a button the it's like that it's like that staples commercial

right the big thing that has kept me from killing myself in the past has always been that access it would have to it would be a lot of work lack of access hassle yeah I mean you know it great great way to put it for a national mental health I mean it a lot of the time one of the big like you would have to take apart my razor to get the razor blades out and that would just be a lot of work and you can't it's insane yeah so get a good grip on them if they come out of

the Mach 4 right and when I so I did if we're gonna do you know mental health awareness day I did attempt to jump and that did not go well guys is that on the drinking game has joined attempt to decide yeah got a drink but no I mean you try to jump off my railing okay oh that's right we talked about yeah I forgot about that yep and for some reason I like a jump to you know it is the context of in front of a car or a building right now it was off a third floor balcony hell

yeah yeah which which in in retrospect is like come on man that's not gonna work you'd have to you'd have to dive and your neck would have to be terrible at the time it makes perfect sense well of course yeah yeah I've I've always been more of a taking a bunch of pills guy but right be that as it may everyone out there our message on national mental health is having these sorts of things in your past is okay it doesn't mean you're broken and you can you can get better

there is help and absolutely and the I suppose that I don't know why we give me one of those be I don't know why we I don't know why we jumped onto this but you did I what are you talking about I I'm gonna say we um no I I I just think that the big thing is to keep trying just because I've gone through a bunch of different psychiatrist keep on keeping on and if I had stopped at any point in time I would never have actually got onto the meds that I'm on now and they work

perfectly so that's my advice to everybody keep trying if you take any if you take any failure or set back in terms of progress as evidence that progress isn't going to happen or is impossible you're setting yourself up for massive failure and you know it's very attractive to do that but be that as it may weird way to end weird way to end you know someone who I wish would stop you know someone I wish would jump off the third floor balcony this one they can land right

on his and they can go right up into his head that guy can go fuck himself who's that guy uh oh man is it Larry Nichols no we want to talk to him tomorrow also let's see if he has rapper for his number oh shit if he has rapper for his number I'm gonna be amazing today we could call him and at the end of the show tell him oh go fuck yourself John rapper support Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding well I like some of the same color huge fan I love your work

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