Knowledge Fight - #934: June 14, 2024

Episode Date: June 17, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan take in the day when the court made its decision about Alex's bankruptcy case and Alex interviewed the most important person in the world about how he's fighting demons.

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and talk a little bit about Alex Joels. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for you, buddy. So, what's your bright spot today? Why don't you go first? I suppose my bright spot is, I mean,

we might as well do it. The reason that I said why don't you go first is because I wanted to test you to see it. You were expecting to see if it was gonna be me or you. Who was gonna do it? You were fuckin', you were. But were fucking you were smile on your face. You, you, you, you, you, you, you checked. You were playing poker and you checked on me and I had to bet. Yeah. It was a trap. It was, it was. I know you're raising your God damn it. Um, I suppose it's a, it's a bright spot of sorts. Sure.

On Friday night, last Friday, a couple days ago, during the day somebody texted me, was just like, hey, you want to go on Laura Coats Live tonight? On CNN. Yeah, on CNN. And I was like, I've never heard of any of this before. So we did it. And ultimately we did go on it. We did Weird day to get that text from you that someone was asking in the middle of the day while I'm like sort of you know

Trying to keep track of Alex's his day. Yeah, he's going going through a big day. You know it is there's the hearing that's going on Alex's got some big guests on his show and so, to hear it's a lot to juggle. It's a lot to take in. So then ultimately we went on. We did. It was fine. I think we had fun. Yeah, it was a good time. I appreciate them having us on. Yeah, it was really cool. So yeah, there's a lot of interesting dynamics to this Like one is that the first time we did this we didn't know that we were just going to be looking down right?

At a screen at a camera. We didn't see that no monitor and you can't see the person you're talking to Yeah, we didn't know that we did know that going in this time. Yes, and I think that made it a little more comfortable It was second You knew that someone was gonna ask you to put on makeup, and so you knew that was coming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's the whole thing, yeah. Right.

So being a little more familiar with the territory was helpful. Sure. And I think, well, I suppose here's the big thing. Unfortunately, I have to give a massive apology. Well, see, this is what I was going to get into. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To my close friend, Matt Druffke. I didn't want to put you on the spot, so is what I was going to get into. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, to to my close friend, Matt Druffke. Um, I didn't want to put you on the spot, so I'm really

glad that you're bringing this up. I have to do it. Uh, so let me actually set the stage a little bit. So we were there and we were in the green room and actually this will weave into what I'm going to call my bright spot. So we were in the green room and they have the show playing before we are gonna go get miked up and sit in the room. And we see that there's a panel conversation going on on the show and one of the guests is Joe Walsh. Joe fucking Walsh. Right. Noted asshole. So we were sitting there thinking like should should we leave? I was, yeah. Is this a decision now that we need to make of like,

can we be on the same show as Joe Walsh? Is this who we are now? Or whatever. And so here's what I would say, it's tough to articulate, but here's the bright spot that I had was that I was there with you and I had a certain amount of confidence that no matter what happens, we'll be all right.

Yeah. You know, like that security and solidness of like, I mean, I guess if we storm out, we'll be okay, I guess. Or if we go on and you do what you plan to do, we'll be all right. So anyway, this leads to your apology. Right. So my apology is that we had discussed it and I was like, well, now that this is real, this is possible, it's happening. I am going to say Congressman Joe Walsh is a trash dick on national television. That's my plan, right? And of course, as your disappointed dad, I had to say no, no, no, no, no.

Yeah, yeah. you said no. But very softly. But you're like, your no's were required. They were required no's, you know. Slightly, yeah. Just, yeah. And it was a moment where I had to decide if I was the person who was gonna talk shit about that or if I was gonna actually fucking do it right right and I I was like

Smiling on the inside because finally I knew I you know You've met you'll never know if you're a person who can just fucking do whatever you want on TV You'll never know right unless you get the chance. So this was my chance, right? And so we were very we weren't very disrespectful, but we didn't take the TV show too seriously. I think seeing my Welsh hurt, hurt our morale. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so then we kind of, and then at the end we kind of got into a role and she cut us off so quick that I forgot, I forgot and then we were gone. Yeah. And my chance was gone. So your apology is to Drusky. My apology is to Matt Drusky.

But also I realized it was never going to go out. It's not that life. No, no, it's not. It's not immediate life. There would be a way to drop it. Yeah, they would. Nobody would ever have known anyway. Right, right.

And also the other part of this that is my bright spot is I can find no evidence that this happened at all aside from the fact that my wife's mom watched it, took a picture and sent it to me. That's the only evidence I can find that we did this. It'll maybe be online sometime. I'm not sure. I don't know. I think that's such an interesting moment because like I

Think you did make the decision to say that and then sincerely forgot. Yeah, I did that was my take on the situation I'm genuinely mad at myself and it's very it's very complicated position for me to begin because on the one hand I think that it's probably unprofessional and Disrespectful and and I don't I don't think that it's right to do that on someone's show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But at the same time I was like, well, I can't be too mad. It'd be pretty great.

It'd be pretty great. So that was on the 17th, oh 14th. And that's what we're gonna be going over today. We're gonna be talking about Alex's show on on the 14th the day of the big the big hearing right is the company was Possibly going to be put into chapter 7 liquidation the judge was deciding whether or not he could personally Go into chapter 7 liquidation right and so all those decisions were made and Alex had a spectacular Kind of. Oh, did he?

Okay. So here's what happened. All right. I expected that I was going to wake up on Friday and I was going to click over to Band.video and I was going to watch a live show where Alex is on air while the hearing is happening and he's getting updates from the court or whatever and he's interviewing his big star guests, Russell Brand and Tucker Carlson.

That is what I thought was gonna happen. Instead, I wake up a couple hours before the show starts even and the interviews are already up. He pre-recorded these interviews and they were already on Band.Video so he just re-aired these interviews while he went to the court. It's very anti-climactic. I was really expecting some kind of like a, the feeling of a standoff, the feeling of

tension and then instead what you got is fucking Tucker Carlson interview. I mean, cause I kind of saw it as a New Year's Eve kind of speck. You know, like the ball is gonna drop He's got all of his buddies coming in, you know, they're getting up there. Oh, it looks like we're five minutes away from losing everything You know that sound that sounds fun. Yeah, this is just pretty pre-taped interviews just pre-taped Yeah, so anyway today what we're gonna be going over Is the Alex did a little press conference a little mini press conference before the hearing? Of course, and then we're gonna talk about Tucker Carlson's interview great Russell Brands interview was pretty boring

And I'm not we're not gonna go over that and then there's the war room Which is when the actual announcement of the the verdict from the court came out And that is just a long stretch of time Of Owen sort of vamping and then Alex shows up and he's like this is a victory for the info war That's like it's kind of boring and you know, I You know, I don't know yet. I don't know. I think I do know I know I've decided I know just now. It is super sad. But there is a part of me, the Chicago comic part of me that says you got to do your time

admires Owen for sticking around till the bitter end. Yeah. But the human part of me is like, you idiot. It's a fuck out of there. It's amazing. And he's like talking to Alex about like, they were, they were saying that the CRO This has all become a lot of drama with that CRO Pat McGill. That's great And apparently Pat McGill wanted to he was shopping around for other right-wing hosts to come in and fill Alex's shoes Yeah, so Drew Hernandez the baby reporter. Yeah, apparently got approached. It was like would you like to take over Infowars? And so Owen was talking about this. He's like, you know, I'm a, I'm loyal. I'm loyal, man.

I wouldn't work if they got rid of you. You didn't get offered the job under Drew Hernandez. Well, but Owen and Harrison and Chase Geyser, apparently everyone knew that they were too, like fiercely loyal to even approach him. So that's why they went to Drew Hernandez. Sure. I don't think any of this is true.

Oh man. Owen was also, he had his blazer, his coat on and he was taking it off and putting it back on. He was heating up at various points, but it was, it was all just kind of boring. Yeah, that sounds right. So we're going to get down to business on this, this part of the 14th, but before we do, let's say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first, hi Kevin, it's Andrew, Dan, and Jordan. Do you think it would be more beneficial for Alex? Just say real solemnly on air, imitate Alex, the globalists have rebranded 65% of our audience to try and get me off the air. We need to start from ground zero again. Thank you so much. You're an out policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Get ready, these are block text moments. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that might be. That might be more beneficial. It could work. Next, God appeared before me in a haze, eating a bag of Takis and coughing out it's party time. And all I got was the ability to predict time

by waking up to find my clock set at 420 AM. Thank you so much, you're an Al Balzywank. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, I also do the thing where I wake up in the middle of the night and know exactly what time it is and I just want to state for the record

that having a decently reliable internal clock does not mean that God is real. Thank you so much, you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, hey Tyler, 100 people approached me at Matt's El Rancho telling to tell me they love you,

support you and wish you a happy birthday Sincerely your favorite brother-in-law. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much And I'm gonna go Donkey Kong King Kong crazy if zero some doesn't hear this message in about 45 days Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you All right, so we're gonna start with the press conference that Alex had. And it's well done. It's start, there's multiple angles of Alex walking up to the front of the courthouse.

Oh God. There's a person in front of him with a camera, probably one of his employees, and you can see Chase Geyser behind him following with a camera. Okay, so it's his own controlled press conference. It's not like WB and VAR. This is kind of the intro. You know, like he there's a cinematic him walking to the front of the courthouse.

Sure. And there are some camera people that I think were probably actual like local media, maybe? Sure, sure, sure. And then there's Chase and some of Alex's employees. Yeah. And I think there was, I don't know, I couldn't tell. There was a few people who had mics and cameras on him, but it wasn't huge. Yeah. It was a nice opportunity for him to talk to some cameras.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we start where he starts talking about how he's been wronged. Okay. What we're witnessing here is a law fair and the weaponization of the legal system. I was the test case for what's now being done to President Trump, Steve Bannon, and others. This is an attempt at digital assassination.

I never centered at any of the things they claimed on Sandy Hook. Two judges in Texas and Connecticut found me guilty by default and then had literal show trials on how guilty I was. The billion and a half dollar verdict is a fraud. The judges had already told the juries that I was guilty. Now we've been in bankruptcy for almost two years proving that everything they claimed about me having hundreds of millions of dollars was not true. Notice you don't hear about that anymore.

None of that was true. And now instead of wanting the money that is there, the so-called plaintiffs who really aren't the families, it's the government that's been behind it that's come out in court, want me silenced. So Alex has been wronged by all of this. He's doing the only thing he came to standing up in front of this courtroom, court building and telling you he's been wronged. Yeah. Yeah. So. So there's just such an attack. They want to close his businesses. They wanted all this destroyed. And now they want to take his Twitter. Hell yes we do. This is about the destruction of the first amendment in America. And now the plaintiff's lawyers, Democratic party lawyers out of Connecticut have filed today to try to take real Alex Jones on X away from me.

Now they want my identity under the terms and services of X. You cannot do that because it's my own personal property. These people want me silenced. It is completely and totally transparent and the world is seeing through this. I was asked by one reporter earlier, is this the end? This is probably the end of Infowars here very, very soon, if not today, in the next few weeks or months. But it's just the beginning of my fight against tyranny. As the founder of the U.S. Navy said during the Revolutionary War, John Paul Jones, when his ship, about a third the size of the British ship he was fighting, was starting to sink, the British officers held across cross on their bullhorn

and said, would you like to surrender? He said, surrender. I have only begun to fight. People know I've been right. They know what I really cover. Tens of millions of people today want to hear what I actually have to say, not what the corporate media says.

So this question about his Twitter is actually a pretty interesting one, and I don't know how this is going to end up shaking out. Alex's Twitter handle is not entirely a personal Twitter account. It's used for business purposes and it's monetized in a way that could make it an asset in the context of a bankruptcy, which might make it something that the plaintiffs can have liquidated. It seems obvious to me that the at info wars handle is company property.

So if you buy free speech systems, you now own that in the same way that you'd own their URLs But the real Alex Jones one is a little weirder Alex could argue it's his own personal property in which case it seems even more vulnerable to liquidation since he's personally in chapter 7 Bankruptcy and that could be seen as a valuable asset that someone could sell on the other hand He could make the argument that it's a business Twitter account and that Free Speech Systems actually owns it, which would probably protect it from being seized in the near term, but would also mean that whoever buys the company gets control of that username.

There are a couple of ways that this could go, but if you view the Twitter handle as an asset, which you almost certainly would, there is little reason that the accounts couldn't be seized. This exact same scenario played out in 2015 when a man named Jeremy Alcide filed bankruptcy for his business Tactical Firearms. In the bankruptcy, the court ruled that his business estate included personal social media accounts, which could mean that the other accounts of people like Owen, Chase, and Harrison are also pieces of the free speech

system bankruptcy estate. All of their Twitter handles could be wrapped up in this. Ultimately, it probably doesn't matter too much, but it could be a pretty big annoyance. Alex could easily start another Twitter account and get a comparable amount of followers. It would just be kind of funny. It would be very funny. Yeah. Kind of funny. It would be very funny. Yeah Yeah, I mean it was it is kind of And it would be kind of funny that musk like allowing you to monetize it directly is

Part of the reason that it is so apparent that it's an asset Mm-hmm, you know like if it was just his account that was not directly monetized You know like your I account from way back in the past when we used to tweet stuff, then it's very much people will be like, Oh, don't take that away. But now it's like, yeah, that makes blank amount per month. So that's somebody else's thanks. Elon Musk, apparently it's hard to argue with it being a revenue stream. Way to go. Elon, you did it again. So Alex discusses some of the possible outcomes of the court hearing that he's about to go enter it And I realized like this is fucking great. This is so good Yeah, he's just standing in front of this courthouse

Yeah, but what he's really doing is a promo for his show so the judge today could rule to put this into a chapter 7 free speech systems and Upon a trustee and begin to shut it down the next few days or weeks or he can hand me back to company. They're still going to be attacking at the state level and trying to shut it down. Regardless, Info Wars is not the operation. Alex Jones and my crew and my listeners and my viewers and our guests is the operation. And that's why this is only going to make me stronger and I will never surrender in this information war and as Colonel Travis said, victory or death.

We are winning. The people are winning. The corporate media is lying. And I'm shooting this right now for the start of my show today, 11 a.m. Central coming up today in just a few minutes. We're going to have the interview I did yesterday for an hour and 40 minutes with the great Tucker Carlson Oh, wow, let's just jump to that that because fuck this is boring Yeah way to go good job. It's a way of

hijacking a certain type of of this is expected to be you giving information about the Situation with the court and instead you're getting your talking points out and then promoting your Your shit. I mean it is it is a man who's turned his life into the show You know his life is the show. Mm-hmm. It doesn't matter what part of it You're apparently in at any given point in time and there's always gonna be a plug. Yep, you know, yep It's cuz it's next time on the show if you're at dinner with him He's gonna be like I got to get out of here, but I got to tell you about my new supplement.

Next week we've got a really great new product coming in. I'm your daughter. So we do have Tucker Carlson on. And so it's pre-taped, so that makes it a little bit dull kind of. I mean he's the most important man in the world. He is. Yeah. And this is a crazy interview. But at the same time, it lacks the edge or the danger of it being live while the court case is going on and all that. It would have had a certain bit of a heightened element to it that it lacks. But it's still giving Alex some butterflies.

Well, I've interviewed a lot of amazing people. I've interviewed President Trump, you name it, and I never get butterflies. But for this interview I do, I absolutely love Tucker Carlson. He's changed the world. He is the top political commentator in the world, hands down, and in his incredibly busy schedule. He has decided to give us about an hour and a half interview here today. And this is in the twilight of Infowars. We can be eminently shut down. So I can't see us going out better than with Tucker Carlson.

He didn't go out with Tucker Carlson. They did his show on Saturday. I was going to possibly cover that, but it was mostly him talking to his gold sponsor, and it was kind of infomercial-ish. But yeah, he didn't go out with us. It's not a bang. It does feel like, I mean, I've always dreamt of the exit, making an exit when it's time to go, and you know it's time to go.

Go out with a bang, you know? Go out and then like right off into the sunset do something like that there are so many opportunities to go out with a bang here and I feel like we have taken everyone and shat on its face like it is bad sure you know yeah Saturday that breakdown of an episode that could have been his going out with a bang. Perfect yeah absolutely. I yeah it is going to be disappointing, whatever the bang ends up being. And it's not this interview with Tucker Carlson,

so I don't know, one of the things I wanted to do was I wanted to pull together a list of all of the people who have ever given Alex butterflies. Yeah. Because he talks about how he doesn't get butterflies when he interviews people and then says that this person does give butterflies. This person, however, is unlike all the others.

The several hundreds of people that I tell this to. Yeah, Trump among them who didn't give him butterflies according to this, but then he did say that when. It is the definition of, I bet he says that to all the girls. Chuck Norris. Yep, yep, yep. Yep.

So I mentioned on our last episode that Tucker is going on tour. Sure. And so this this comes up a little bit here. So Tucker, thank you so much for the time. My friend, of course, you've announced a big nationwide tour that I'm very proud to be a small part of just so much going on. Your network is exploding. I know you don't ever talk about Fox getting rid of you, but man, it's got to feel vindication and good that I would say you reach about 10 times more people now than when you were on Fox. So it's great to have you.

Well, thank you. It actually felt good the first day. I enjoy being fired actually, because it forces you to stop doing what you're doing and take an assessment. I'm honored to be here. I'm here obviously because we're friends but but I'm really here on principle because I there's nothing you've ever said in your entire life or done in your entire life that's scarier or more threatening to our country than what they're doing to you right now. That's dumb. Yeah so when Tucker announced his tour Alex was set to be a guest on the September 16th show in Milwaukee. As soon as this was announced there was a massive pushback against the Fiserv Forum for hosting

this event, and in short order, Alex's name was taken off the website and now the guest is listed as to be announced. Some places are reporting that as Alex getting dropped from the event, but I wouldn't be too surprised if this was just a negotiation they had to make to not lose the venue. Alex can come, but you have to take his name off it so the venue can pretend to keep their hands clean. To be announced when you introduce Alex on your show, yeah. Three of the other dates also have guests that are to be announced later, but those events didn't have announced guests who were later retracted,

so I have to assume that they're different, equally problematic people that venues don't wanna be associated with. Like maybe Tucker's flying in Putin or Viktor Orban for his show in Hershey, Pennsylvania. Whatever the case, this is gonna be a fucking disaster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm somewhat tempted to go, but then I think about it and I realize that it would involve being in an arena

full of people who aren't there as a joke. Not for us. It sounds like a terrifying environment. Yeah, not good. I don't wanna do it. Not good. I might do it though. I don't know.

I love how dumb we all are as human beings. Just this idea of like, okay, well, yeah, just because out of all of the tour dates, at least four or five of them have Nazi guests, right? Doesn't mean we're gonna cancel Tucker He's not a Nazi. It's just that some of his guests are Nazis. Are you not allowed to speak? You can't be like Tucker also can't come down If you have a Nazi you can't come even if you get rid of the Nazi. Yeah, right

There is a trend through his guests. It is not good. It's not a great list. Hey listen, you're great but all your friends are Nazis. Somehow that doesn't make me question you at all. No, you're good. Yep. So I do think that Tucker says something that I do relate to though in that clip. And there are a couple points where he does say things that are like, it's a good point. I enjoyed getting fired because it allows you to reassess. That kind of mentality, I can dig. That's one of the problems with Tucker is that every now and again, he'll say something like that and like, yeah, that's a good thought.

That's a fine human thought. You're going to take it some more bad. Yeah. Yeah. But it's fine for now. So he's honored fine human thought. You're gonna take it some more bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's fine for now. So he's honored to be there. He's super thrilled, loves Alex. And doesn't understand why everyone hates Alex. If you had spent the last 20 years attacking,

I don't know, the white working class, right? Or the country, America, its founding documents, Thomas Jefferson, you know, you'd be lauded, but you did the one thing you're not allowed to do, which is you attack the people in charge. And that's why they're trying to take you off the air. And I think we should be really clear about that. You've never done anything but attack the people in charge.

That's your crime. That's not true. So one thing I think is interesting is like, you could make an argument that Alex attacks Thomas Jefferson by all the fake quotes he throws around. That's a good point. Blasphemy. Yes, maybe.

I would go there. I think Tucker has a version of Alex that he likes to pretend is real, and that's who he's interacting with. I mean, I guess, I don't know if, I don't know if this particular part is that or if it's K-Fabe, you know what I mean? Like, is that what, is Tucker interacting with it,

with what Alex is supposed to be for the show or is Tucker interacting with what Alex thinks, or with what he thinks Alex is? Yeah. You know what I mean? I'm more drawn to kayfabe as the explanation. But at the same time, it's difficult for me to imagine that someone like Tucker could sit through an episode of Alex's show. Right.

No, that's definitely true. So I don't know if he knows. I don't know if a lot of these people actually have ever listened to Alex. Yeah. You know, like when we were on the CNN show, we brought up that Alex thinks that he gets visions from God and is fighting demons. Yep. There was almost an incredulous response.

Yeah. Is this true? Is this real? Yeah. It's like, well, well. Yeah. People don't listen to his show. They don't know that he talks about this stuff most of the time. Yeah's just this He's actually a lot more. Yeah, so Tucker has this idea from a couple clips. He's seen and like

Edited videos that Alex's employees have put out sure he's a he's this truth-teller who speaks to power and and all this and I think maybe he's just Fine with it believing that's who he is Yeah, there's something Tucker has an ability to say bald faced untrue things with such conviction. Oh, yeah. The and it's a type of conviction that is is different. It's not the type of active conviction.

It's the type of conviction that's like I don't even have to question this as something that's true, where it's like, well, I mean, I would, oh, I truly believe, I don't even have to do any of that because this is so obvious that the ground is there, Alex is a truth teller. Like that's so obvious. But they are so obviously untrue. And it is terrifying that a human being can do that. Well, the dynamics of truth are definitely something that's going to be wrestled with on this interview.

Well, I think I mean specifically because of all of that stuff you can do, you can play around with your perceptions however you like. But there is one thing that is absolutely true and that is that Alex does not punch up. Alex is not an up puncher. Alex loves a good punch down. If you imagine the devil is who you're against, that's punching up. Sure. Supernatural beings?

Sure, but I'm talking about, oh, this woman who was, I mean blank, you know, like any number of things. Obama phone lady, just like that idea of like, there's always a punch down. There's always punching down. You know, he does do a lot of that. So we get to back to this idea of you enjoyed being fired. Yeah. And Alex, he asks about this and we enter a segment of this interview that is really fun to look through. Like imagine that Tucker is insulting Alex. He's not, but imagine that he is. Okay. So let's go back to what you first said. You loved being fired. I mean when I said ten times bigger than you were, you were huge, but you're definitely ten times conservatively

bigger reaching 500, 700 million people with your shows, normal shows, 50 million. I mean that is that is massive instinctively when you got unceremoniously fired at Fox. They wouldn't even tell you why very Kafka esque. Why was that so exciting to you? And now what is it like to be fully the captain of your ship? Well, I mean, of course it's painful, you know, it's always painful to, you know, have anything unexpected happen in your life because you think, you know, you can see the future, but it's really a blessing to be reminded that you can't

and that things changed abruptly, that you don't have control really over most of your life and you certainly don't have control over history. So you're just sort of flotsam bobbing along trying to make the right decisions moment to moment. You're talking to someone who can see the future. I mean, It's nice to be reminded that you can't see the future person who can see the future. I mean, it's nice to be reminded that you

can't see the future person who can see the future. That's so it's so hard whenever they like, Hey, let's let's cut out all the bullshit. Let's have a real personal conversation. And you're like, yeah, that's how a human being would talk. And then you but you're right. You can't be a wizard and also be like, life, life is weird, right? What are you gonna do? You're a wizard! Do something about it! I would love it if I could do magic. You said you could do magic!

You said you could do magic! You're a wizard! Yeah. So this goes on for a bit. It just seems like he's, like, it would be so funny if he was talking shit, but he's not. It's frustrating. The reason that I liked being fired, within like 20 minutes I was in a good mood because

I recognized the pattern. It's always the bad things that turn out to be the greatest things in your life. You know, it's getting really sick and surviving. It's, you know, it's something you didn't expect at all that hurts, that forces you to take an assessment of what you're doing and change. And you won't change unless that happens. I mean, there's really nothing worse for people, particularly for men, than just succeeding because it ratifies all of your decisions. It makes you, you know, after a while,

you just like confuse yourself for Jesus. You just think, well, I'm successful because I'm just so great. You know, I earned this. I'm like, I'm an amazing person, unlike everybody else. And I think it's absolutely vital for your soul But also for your clear judgment to remember now I'm this sort of ungainly ridiculous primate who lucked into some things made some good decisions a lot of bad decisions like see

Yourself in context see yourself as you really are You know, you're you're absurd. We're all absurd. You are absurd This is this is this would be a damning indictment. I mean, yeah I I he were saying it in a slightly different tone This could be so judgmental is the worst thing to say directly to a person's face whenever they're going through what Alex is going through And that he can deliver it in that tone Amazing the worst thing that can happen to a man named Alex Jones is being successful and thinking that makes you right about everything I mean it is a list. It is a laundry list of the worst thing that can happen to

hey Alex isn't that what happened to you? Yeah. So anyway humans they imagine they have powers that they don't. I, I, I, are, is he, this happens every time we do a Tucker episode I'm always like is he fucking with me? He might be. He can't be. Really that's the, that's the way that people destroy themselves. I mean, humans are distinct from the animal kingdom in one meaningful way. They kill themselves, animals don't. You know, no dog has ever decided to kill himself.

It just never occurs to a dog or to a porcupine or to any other animal, only to people. And they always kill themselves in the same way by imagining they have powers. They don't mistaken themselves for God. And I mean, this is just the most consistent theme in all history And again men are prey to it in a way that women generally aren't obviously Tori and Newland would be a huge exception Hillary Clinton I mean there are exceptions, but the male temperament is particularly susceptible to the delusion that you know I'm Jesus and those people are the most dangerous and you're, when they have the power to destroy the world, which they do,

um, you know, they're terrifying. Yeah, Alex shouldn't have nukes. Although I do think that there's, um, I guess it's not as dangerous that he just thinks God tells him what time it is in the middle of the night. I mean, stakes-wise, it's way better for all of us. Sure. If God's sticking at those levels of, uh, superpowers. I guess the ultimate thing that could happen is a war over daylight savings time or something like that. I mean I could

see it. That seems to be the end of that road. Things are very polarized. People get hot over a lot of stuff and daylight savings time truly doesn't make sense. It's insane. It's insane. So yeah, why not fight over it? It's better than most of the stuff. And half of the time it really angers people. It really really does the other half of the time people really like it Gives you a little extra time to sleep. Yeah. Yeah, make sense. So all of this I was listening to it and like if he was self aware of like what Alex's positions are Yeah, the kind of shit that he talks about fairly regularly. Yeah, this would be insulting It's the meanest thing. I could not imagine being able to say something this mean

to a person for this long. Mm-hmm. But he's not. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, and Alex knows that he's not, and it's very surreal. It's very weird to listen to. It's crazy. So they talk a bit about how nuclear war is imminent.

Sure. And it's going to happen. Yeah. And such. And every news show should just say that ahead of every, like, entertainment. Oh, that's nice. Stories. Hey, there's a premiere tonight, and here's the red carpet. Also, nuclear war is coming.

All right. Every single show. That would be helpful. It's, one last thing, it's shocking to me that the Today Show and Good Morning America and the New York Times and the Washington Post don't begin every story, no matter what the topic with, you know, by the way, we're on the cusp of nuclear war because there's nothing more important than that. But they don't. They hide it.

And by the way, you say one more thing. You're very gracious when I've been on your show and just let me go on for 20 minutes time. We want the deep Tucker Carlson. People love the Joe Rogan. One of the most viewed interviews ever. I've seen 100 million views, folks. I've watched it twice.

My wife watched it twice. My full family. Everybody knows I'm talking about it. And Joe's great. He's better than I am at interrupting. But I wanna be even better than Joe. I wanna give you time to keep elaborating on this because you've really done a lot of research into this.

And I wanna get back into the suicide death cult. Okay. Sure. I want to be better than Rogan. Yep. Great. Good for you. Good for you.

What a weird interaction between totally friends. Yeah. I just, I think that it would get exhausting if every single news story also had nuclear war as possible. I mean, I will tell you this. I think one thing they're underestimating is people's ability to drown things out after a certain length of time. And if you did start every it'd be like, uh, if you forced me to start every day with the deck, with the, what was the pledge of allegiance, you know, like that's wrong, but I've already done it before.

I could get through it. Start to lose its meaning. I'd be like, fine. I do this every morning. Whatever. I brush my teeth. I pledge allegiance You know we go we get through it. Yeah, it doesn't matter I and I would even say that I bet that Tucker doesn't start all of his shows saying their war is coming He should since that's what he's giving advice to do when he interviewed that guy who claimed that he had sex with Obama Did you start that with nuclear? Well, that would be a good that's and that's a good time to remind people sure. Yeah So one of the big things that Tucker is about yeah is reproduction Human these people are so creepy and gross. They really are really are creepy and gross

Yeah, and it's it's based on this weird like It's essential that your genes pass on It's the only thing that matters totally and it's just it's really creepy and then it always Pivots it always pivots into bigotry. Yeah always ends up and so of course this ends on a transphobic note Yeah, the bottom line imperative in evolutionary biology is survival. You know, the whole point of existence is to pass on your genes to another generation and continue the line of humanity. So and I think that's right, actually.

I think that is our instinct. So whenever you see people who are pushing for the end of humanity, pushing for suicide, you know that the controlling power is, by definition, not human. That's my, I'm trying to approach this logically here, like what are we watching? And I don't think that we're watching the product of human greed here, for example. And a lot of people, and I've been one of them many, many times, say, well, you know, the real story here, you know, the real reason this is happening is because Larry Fink is going to buy all the farmland in Ukraine, and he's going to make a ton of

money for BlackRock or the reason, you know, we have so many transvestite children is because the you know, hormone makers are making a bundle on this or the reason they're pushing the COVID vax is because Moderna and Pfizer are getting rich. I mean, on one level, that is all true, of course, but it's not what's driving it. No one is gonna survive a nuclear exchange. The people who are pushing us,

no one on the National Security Council is gonna have a better life if there's a nuclear war. Everything that they know and love will be gone, including their own children. So this is not actually something they're doing for their own benefit, whether they know it or not. They're being driven to do it by spiritual forces. I mean, I don't, I mean, if there's another explanation,

by the way, I'm completely comfortable having grown up a secular person in a secular country with a secular explanation for what we're watching. If you can think of one, tell me what it is, but I can't. What? I don't see any rational reason. I don't see any actual self-interest that could be motivating the desire to commit mass suicide. I just don't see any rational reason. I don't see any actual self-interest that could be motivating the desire to commit mass suicide.

I just don't. And I would, by the way, say that the transgender, the trans stuff is a form of mass suicide. You're preventing your children from having children, therefore you go extinct. Okay, so of course. Obviously, it always veers in this direction. Yeah.

And I think that there's obviously a difference between, let's say, wanting a nuclear war and wanting people to be able to be themselves if they choose. Yeah. I think that there's a difference there. Little bit. So it's fun for him to make these analogous in some way, but I think that's, it says more about Tucker. There's something, there's something, cause I, I read a Nick Bostrom's new book. There's something about this ecosystem of like, if you're in this

white dude ecosystem of the Joe Rogan's and the intellectual dark web. Yeah. That like, we we're smart okay we're the future you know that kind of thing they turn into eugenicists in like five minutes like it is crazy how fast they're like well listen I understand because because this is their this is their brains right their brains are like I am super smart obviously and what's holding me back from doing what I think is the super smart thing to do is morality.

And I'm a moral person, so I'm not going to do the super smart thing to do because that's immoral, right? That's what keeps the super smart people from doing super smart things like eugenics, right? And then like two minutes later, you're like, well, I mean, if I was in power, I would do eugenics, obviously. But I mean, morally speaking, I'm against it. And you're like, well, I mean, if I was in power, I would do eugenics, obviously. But I mean, morally speaking, I'm against it. And you're like, oh, great. You guys are fucking insane.

I think that this is something that is a problem with a lot of futurists, even through history. That's fair. There's a fair amount of that bias that plays in. It is almost always people telling all themselves of being like, well, here's what somebody super smart would do that I won't do because I'm a good person. And you're like, you're telling me what you don't think you are. Well, yeah, it's Alex saying, I know the globalist plans because it's what I would do. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's you, man. That's you, man. That's you man. That's you man. That's you so I also I think that When you run into this like it's essential that people reproduce right if they don't then that's unhuman You run into a lot of really? Problematic and troubling ideas sooner or later you're gonna get there. Sure. Some people are born with the, and are not able to reproduce. Let's select traits. Now everybody might find they have disagreements over what traits are good and bad, and then

who gets to choose what traits they like. You're veering close to that. And I think it's bad and it's white dudes Just go it boils down to like white dudes are like why can't we all be white dudes? It's insane So if you are a parent, yeah, the only thing that you should want. Yeah is to be a grandparent That's the only thing I should want. Yes fulfillment That's why you should not accept your children if they're trans.

Interesting. Let's bring in all the politics. Can I just say it's not just hurting your children, it's hurting you because the deepest desire of every parent is to have grandchildren, not just for sentimental reasons, but for biological reasons, to see your line continue. That is the most natural of all instincts. So when you see somebody act against that, then you know this is probably not a human impulse, right? This is unnatural. This is, in fact, I would say super natural. And that's exactly, in my view, what it is. Unless you can think of some better secular explanation that we can, you know, measure in the lab, but I can't.

And I've thought about it a lot. Have you? Because that's incredibly stupid. Yeah, that's real dumb. I don't even know what to say in Republicans. It's incredibly dumb. Is that what you base your life on? I can't come up with a better explanation,

so it must be a spiritual force. Oh boy, that's a better explanation. So it must be a spiritual force. Oh, boy. That's a great start. I think that's a good reason to do anything really. I can't think of a better reason to do that. So it must be because of God. Probably a demon or a demon or a God. Right. That is strange. Why we live in 2024. Uh huh. And he's like that ah, probably supernatural. Honestly, I distrust meteorologists and scientists. So for me, the only explanation for why there's rain is because of God's tears. I mean, it's the only, and I'm a rationalist.

And if you can give me a better example or a better explanation, and keep in mind, I don't trust any scientist to be a neurologist. I suspect that I could and yet it would not be accepted yet. I imagine you would just reject out of hand all rational explanations in favor of maintaining your stupid one. Once again, it feels like this is a you thing.

Yeah, it very much is. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Alex asks what it's like to realize that you're in a supernatural battle. That's a good question.'re in a supernatural battle. That's a good question. That is a good question. And Alex, I don't know if he was expecting this, but Tucker takes a pretty classy angle. Good call. I've heard you talk about this some, but can you elaborate on growing up Episcopalian, you know,

you were never Satanist, you kind of believed in God from one of her, but weren't sure about it, and liked the idea of Christianity, but then you've told you kind of believed in God from one of her, but weren't sure about it and liked the idea of Christianity. But then you've told me some of your private stories that totally swim in mind, we're not gonna get into those here. But the process of you in the last four or five years, you know, really communicating what everybody else is feeling and seeing,

either you're totally in the matrix and don't see any of it and do whatever you're told and you will lick the bugs and you know, love all this evil. And that's a smaller and smaller group. Or there's the majority of us really, they don't have all the answers but are trying to figure this out.

What was that process like for you coming to this realization that it's good versus evil and that there are forces other than human? Well, I mean, it's a process still. I mean, and by the way, one of the reasons I'm uncomfortable talking about it is because I hate to sort of hold myself up as an advertisement for the world's largest faith or pretend to be a spokesman for God.

I think you bring disaster upon yourself when you do that, I've noticed. I mean, there's a reason that preachers are disproportionately likely to get caught up in sex scandals or get addicted to porn or smoke meth or, you know, they're under attack. The second you say, I represent a billion you know they're under attack. The second you say I represent a billion Christians, that's why you are under attack. And so I certainly don't represent a billion Christians or Christianity or Jesus or anything like that. I'm as flawed as anybody you'll ever meet more than most.

He might be thinking backwards a little bit about the. Fascinating. Yeah, but also you're talking to someone who speaks for God. Yep, literally. Yes. He has said he speaks literally for God. You dumb fuck. It is insane.

Have some awareness about the situation you're in. You're talking to God's messenger. I mean, he was chosen when he was a boy. In dreams. What else is there to say to this man? Stop pretending that there's some kind of like, oh, we're... This false humility is ridiculous. It's always funny now, I think maybe these were different back in the day, especially through print, like when you could only read these types of interviews through like a Rolling

Stone or like a Playboy magazine and be like, oh, like now you watch actor or musician interviews and it is that same kind of cadence of question of like oh you started this movie What was your process like while you were trying to figure out this character? And it's like oh, that's a normal question that he was literally asking him What's it like to figure out it's you versus the devil in a cage match? Yeah, I know it was an interesting realization that I came to that's not how you answer that question This is not some random person off the streets. He's talking to this is a person who had the highest rated show in cable news This is ridiculous

So Tucker describes his path towards accepting that it's a battle of good and evil. See, again, I feel like your path, once you accept that it's a battle for good and evil, your path is putting on armor and then go fighting in that battle. I think an argument could be made, if that is the case. Also, you could just be an idiot.

There's that. And I think that's the option that Tucker's chosen. It's probably Spark. And really it was watching what's happening to the world that changed my view. I became convinced that some of these, I'd watched political debates my entire life, that's what I do, for 30, more than 30 years.

And while I disagreed with one side, I could understand their argument. They would say, well, we need to have, I've always been totally opposed to abortion or killing the defenseless, really killing anybody, honestly, except in self defense. But, but I could understand, you know, well, there's a 15 year old girl who, you know, was pregnant, she got raped. And if you don't let her have an abortion, she'll never have a

real life. And, you know, I disagreed with that, because I think you can't kill people regardless of the justification. However, I thought that was a real life and you know, I disagreed with that because I think you can't kill people regardless of the justification However, I thought that was a real argument I mean at least it appealed to the possibility her life would be improved You wake up and all of a sudden people are saying well abortion is itself the point like having an abortion It's just good for the sake of doing it They say we love it it's a. They're getting off on it. Well, it's human sacrifice.

And so, obviously, so I was trying, because I'm a little bit autistic and very literal, I'm thinking, well, okay, what does that even mean? Like, what? You were trying to find logic. This is very different. I was, and I'm a student of argument because I make arguments for a living.

I spent years, you know, sending my kids to school and filling the fridge with arguing. That's what I did for a living. So I really am interested in how people construct arguments in their nature. And all of a sudden people stop making arguments on behalf of abortion and begin holding it up as just like something that was just good for its own sake. So let me translate this clip into real world talk. Yeah. something that was just good for its own sake. So let me translate this clip into real world talk. Yeah.

Tucker didn't put food on the table and pay for his kids' education with logic and arguments. He made a living having show business fights about the hot political topics of the day. He would wear a bow tie and yell at people about how the Iraq war was good and justified based on his superior grasp of logic. He was a showman, and at that time the media typically didn't take people like Alex all that seriously. His type of narrative was generally seen as laughable by most folks, so most of Tucker's

time was spent having sparring, entertainment, fights with people who had views that were far closer to the mainstream and what's really happening in the world. Over time the right wing has shifted to Overton Window dramatically, and their media ecosystem essentially now operates in a way where everything that works to their benefit deserves to be taken seriously regardless of how stupid it is. So in the past someone might post a video of a woman at a pro choice rally saying she loved getting abortions and Tucker would obviously see that she was fucking with an anti-abortion counter protester and wasn't expressing a sincere desire to get abortions

for fun. But now that equation has changed, and it's no longer professionally embarrassing for Tucker to pretend to act like he thinks that woman was being serious. This has had the effect of allowing Tucker and his ilk to pretend that they're responding to things that people aren't actually saying. In this example, there's a video of a woman trolling an agitator by saying she loves getting abortions, and now Tucker can say that the pro-reproductive health side is actually about human sacrifice.

This has the further benefit of justifying a far more extreme opposition on his side because there isn't a political solution or compromise to be made with human sacrifice. If that's what our enemies are doing, we can't just go about business as usual. In order to justify more extreme opposition and to paint anyone who disagrees with him as a satanic lunatic, Tucker is playing this little sleight of hand trick. He's pretending that, well, back in my day, I disagreed with them, but they had an argument kind of thing, so he can explain why the times are different, but in reality, what changes is that his side has entirely eroded their standard of what they believe so long as it

conforms to the shit that they want to push. That's the, that's behind what Tucker is expressing here. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it is an interesting way of saying, uh, when I came up, uh, I used to argue about how abortion was wrong, morally speaking, and now I go, until the left wing shuts up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We what happened was we used to have fun sort of spectacle arguments on on crossfire and what have you. You used to do that and get ratings by being sensational and shit to each other. It was a great time. And then I kind of realized that all of this

shit is way easier if you just pretend that your enemy is saying car Because then that's all you have to say back. It was I mean If if he came out if if Tucker came out and like his his answer to this question was just like back in the day It was so hard. We had to do research. We had to do this We had that we had to watch research. We had to do this. We had to watch other people. We had to keep abreast. We had a staff that looked for stories that we hadn't already known about. You might have to concede a point. Totally. Sometimes I was like, you know what? I guess you're right on this one, buddy. We'll

get you next time. We'll see you on the next show. I used to do that. Not anymore. No. Now it is easy as shit devil The best thing that can happen to a man is getting success for doing the least amount of effort work possible Yeah, and there we go, and it's such a great shortcut to just be like oh you disagree with me You're the fucking devil and you want to have human sacrifices Yeah, it does it does feel like everything I learned in school was a waste of my time Yeah, so the human societies we have always Practiced human sacrifice sure talker talker talk that here

Okay Fine And then I found out because I was interested that that is what every society has said in recorded History every society from the ones that are very famous, the ancient Canaanites, the Mayans, the Aztecs, all the Mesoamerican civilizations, but also the Western European civilizations, my own, where my ancestors lived, you know, in the Nordic countries.

They were also committing human sacrifice. There's something about killing other people ritually as an offering to the spirit world that is a constant through human history. Every civilization has done that. And so that raises the question, why? How would, like that's such a counterintuitive conclusion to come to. I kill people, like so evolutionary biology tells us that the whole point of existence

is to continue existence, is to pass on your genes to another generation and then many more, right? That's the assumption that I had my whole life and yet every civilization from the beginning of time has reached the opposite conclusion. We will be happier by killing the fruit of our womb, children, and we will be rewarded by the gods for doing this. Every single civilization has reached that conclusion without any exception that I'm aware of. And you have to ask, why is that? They didn't have the internet 5,000 years ago.

How are they all reaching the same conclusion? And really the only logical answer is because some outside force was telling them that, right? That the spirit world is real and that there are demons telling people that you will be happier, that you will be safer, that you will be richer, that you will be safer, that you will be richer, you'll be more powerful if you take the life of a child or of a maiden or of some helpless

human being, mostly young human beings. It's never the elderly who are the... And they like it because it's stealing the future and a child is the closest thing to God because the potential of the universe show it as a wound against God. It is stabbing God. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. This is one of the leading minds of the conservative movement in the United States.

That is some of the dumbest shit I've ever heard of my entire life. I feel like we are so deep into a satanic panic that we don't even know what way is up anymore. I don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know where to begin with that. This is so wild. Well, I'll make a couple quick points. Sure, take your time.

The dynamics of human sacrifice varied dramatically from culture to culture. No! Pretending that it's one phenomenon that must have been motivated by demons is idiot shit. Yeah. This is like, I would say, middle school level thinking. I would say that the phrase that I am aware of carried more weight than Atlas. Human sacrifice was not universal or homogenous. Insane.

Insane behavior. Second, now this point's a little bit more abstract. The religion that Alex and Tucker profess to follow is quite centrally based on human sacrifice. Yep. I understand it's more, there's more to the story than that. Sure. Come on, man. Don't you get that? Well, I mean it's on human sacrifice. Yep. I understand it's a big one. There's more to the story than that. Sure. Come on, man.

Don't you get that? Well, I mean, it's God's sacrifice. See, it's completely different. See, God sacrificed one of his people, which is completely different from human sacrificing one of their people to make rain happen. God sacrificed one of his people to... But Jesus was also made human. Well...

It's human sacrifice. Well, I mean, sure. In a sense. I don't sacrifice. I mean sure in a sense I don't know. I will say how about this? Let me put it to you this way. All right, so Playing baseball you've got these gloves on you got these batting gloves, right and you get this really good hit This is the first time you've worn those batting gloves. So you hit that ball really? Well you think fuck it I'm gonna keep wearing these batting gloves, right? You keep wearing those batting gloves you get you hit that ball really well. You think fuck it. I'm going to keep wearing these batting gloves. Right. You keep wearing those batting gloves. You get hits for a while. Right. And then suddenly they stop happening. So you're like oh it's

got to be these batting gloves maybe. And you you unhook them and you hook them back in. You tighten them up and then all of a sudden you get a hit again. Right. So you're like oh you know what it is. It's this whole thing. See the more you need something the more you fail at it the more you fail at it, the more likely you are to combine those two things together as a way to succeed. No, that's just logic. Fair enough.

So here's another thing using this thinking where we might go astray. He's saying that every culture, they don't kill the elderly, right? So like, I don't know, I could use the data points the Tucker's using to be like oh you know what else every culture has failed and every culture didn't kill old people so therefore we must kill old people that's

the only logic there's if anybody has a rational explanation that they could give me I'd be more than willing to listen to it I mean I'm not aware of a better explanation This is ridiculous So Alex has visions obviously he sees the future and he talks about one instance of that here Okay, and through my life. I have a sixth sense the spirit. It's not instinct It's something else and I've had this happen all the time. I usually ignore it. I've learned to not ignore it and I mean, here's just an example and this is literally from the ether from God. I can play the clip about a month before he got fired. I said Tucker will be fired within one

month. And I believe Tucker he's hardcore. He's awake. What just happened? The left admits it. I predict he won't be at Fox News in their future if he's unable to put this out. I'm going to leave it at that. By the way, Fox News needs Tucker Carlson. Tucker Carlson doesn't need Fox News. So Alex is psychic. Yeah. And he's telling Tucker about that. And Tucker is like, yes, yes, you are. Of course he is. And then he's like, okay, one of the instances of me being psychic. Now granted, I usually just ignore my psychic stuff, but I, you know, I didn't this time. Right. And I said that you would be fired in a month from Fox News.

Then, they edited in a clip of Alex saying that Tucker would quit. That was not a prediction of him getting fired. He said that Tucker wouldn't be there very long if they didn't let him put out this report that he wanted to put out. He was saying that Tucker doesn't need Fox as much as Fox needs Tucker. He's going to quit Yep, this is fraud. Yeah on its face. Yeah, that's not very psychic. No, no, not very honest either. No It's kind of weird. Yeah, it's just weird all of these guys every time they get together and they weird off of each other

It is truly like I mean, I don't like using their language because of the way they you but it does feel like Alien it feels like I do not Understand how this human's mind works and I feel like I understand how almost everybody's mind works. I think it's very good I like people. Yeah, you know, I think it's easy to Sort of descriptively understand how some of this works. Right. But then like, you know, Alex wants to be perceived in a certain way and there's ways that, like, first of all, psychic.

Sure. Second, he's killed people, but maybe he hasn't. Sure. He wants to be seen these ways and I don't understand why you would do that. Yeah. That's the part that I don't understand. Yeah. Why are you so desperate for everyone to think you're psychic to the point where you'll talk about a prediction that you made and then

Play a clip of you predicting something different. Why? Yeah, why why are you so desperate to be interesting? It feels it feels scary how desperate you are scares me. Yeah so Tucker he Thinks that Alex is psychic and that's why he's been singled out by the establishment. Tracks to me. Why have you been singled out for abuse and persecution? Why? And I'm just, like I'm in the business of trying to figure out, usually unsuccessfully,

but why things happen. It's not enough to say that they do. For me anyway, my curiosity drives me to ask like, why has this happened? What does this mean? What is this? And the fact that you, specifically you, Alex Jones, for the last 20 years, have been attacked in the way that you have been, even when you're on like cable access television, like a threat to nobody, why did they single you out? And of course, it's not because you're lying. In fact, had you lied, and decided to make a career of lying, you would be a lot richer than you are and no one would bother

you, you'd be celebrated. You'd have a show on NBC. It's the fact that through you flows some things that are undeniably true. I mean, I can't vouch for all of it. I don't have your full like lifetime corpus in front of me. But I know that you predicted in detail 9-11 the summer before it happened. Like that's just a fact. And I've thrown that out there like lifetime corpus in front of me, but I know that you predicted in detail 911 the summer before it happened. Like that's just a fact. And I've thrown that out there many times like, okay, you may hit Alex Jones. But what is that? Like what is that? What honestly like I mean, like that's impossible. That's just impossible. You know what I mean? So like, why don't you tell me, Alex Jones

hater, what are we looking at here? How could he have known that? And the answer, of course, is that you couldn't have known that. That that's supernatural. Now, I'm not saying everything you say is like prophecy from God, but I'm saying that's supernatural because I can't think of a natural explanation. Maybe there is one. If there is, tell me what it is. But that's why they hate you. Oh, here's the natural explanation. You saw an edited video of Alex and you thought that he in detail predicted 9-11. You don't watch the actual episode of his show. You don't realize that at the time Bill Cooper was talking about this.

It was after the original bombing of the World Trade Center. It happened. Bin Laden did that. I'm so mad every time I hear about 9-11 and people aren't like, it was the second time. Yeah, yeah. I don't understand how people can be like, how could this possibly, this is the second time. Well, the bombing of the World Trade Center the first time was something that became part of conspiracy culture and there were conspiracies about it.

Yeah. And that that's why Alex was able to or able to is such a weird way to phrase it. Yeah. Yeah. But why that was something that was in his vernacular of talking shit about at that time. When he talks about using planes and stuff like that, that wasn't a prediction. He was talking about Operation Northwoods. We've been over this.

It's just you're an idiot, Tucker. That's all. You saw this video that's deceptively, manipulatively edited, and you've decided that it's proof of God speaking through Alex this is unbelievable you know I would I would say this might be the motivation that would make sense to me considering all of the variables and where we are right there is an ego that cannot get conned mm-hmm you know like well Alex says he can't con an honest man, right? That

kind of thing. And so when you have been conned and you have that ego, you have to go into the con as like, Alex has said it, you know, when you get the Nigerian Prince, those emails, yeah, yeah, like he definitely has a listen, I can't be conned. I can't know people he knows have fallen for them. Right. And they have to keep going deeper into it. Right, right, right. Like I can be conned. I know I can be conned, you know? Like that humility needs to be with us all.

Somebody can getcha if you're not paying attention. Yeah. All right? It can happen to anybody. Not Tucker. No, it can happen to you too, Tucker. No way. You know why?

Why? He's fucking honest. Okay. Yeah. Sorry. Get ready for a few more of those. Oh boy you know it but it was about the that moment in 2015 16 and I just thought well I have a an obligation to see what I think is true and to keep pulling the Thread and that happened to be exactly the moment that I got a new job at Fox and had a bigger platform

And I just thought you know I don't know how long I'm gonna have this, but I'm gonna tell the truth That happened to be exactly the moment that I got a new job at Fox and had a bigger platform. And I just thought, you know, I don't know how long I'm going to have this, but I'm going to tell the truth. You know, with the knowledge, I'm going to get it wrong often, which I, of course, do. But I'm not going to lie. Period. I'm not going to lie. And let's just see where this goes. And the more, you know, the more I did try and tell the truth, just without any caveats at all. The bigger reaction I got, negative reaction, like people really, really hated that. And then I just dug in and I thought to myself, I don't care what you do to me.

I don't care at all. No lies, just truth. Damn the consequences. Who cares? That's what he's about since he started working at Fox News. Let me ask you a question. Do you ever have to consciously say, okay, no lies this time? I don't know. I get in his idea, in his mind, right, he's saying

that everybody goes into TV like, I'm going to lie. Very well, maybe. Or like it's, or it's like everybody has an awareness of what's expected you You know you go into the thing, but it does feel like you just said you know like ah you know what this time? No lies for me. I was consciously lying back when I supported the Iraq war in my bow tie I'm not sure either way you sound like an asshole wild so if you want to hear more of Tucker sounding like an asshole sound like an asshole. Wild. So if you want to hear more of Tucker sounding like an asshole, get ready. Getting a respite from that is important because it restores perspective. He's talking about like not being around electricity. Right. And if you have the chance to, you know, use a candle instead of an electric light or use an outhouse instead of a flush

toilet once in a while, I think it's good for you. I do think that. And I'm sure he's definitely, definitely natural. Attacked is Ted Kaczynski while, I think it's good for you. I do think that. And I'm sure that- It's definitely, definitely natural. Attacked is Ted Kaczynski, but I like Ted Kaczynski. I'm just being honest, I do. And I don't believe in mail bombs. I don't believe in hurting people. I think Ted Kaczynski was insane, obviously for doing that. But Ted Kaczynski's analysis of technology,

even if you don't buy it completely, and I don't buy it completely, but it's worth hearing. It's worth thinking about. There should be some counterbalance to the propaganda from Google and the power company that we'd all be nothing without you know electricity and microchips like that's that's not true actually it's a lie is that a false choice that we're being given is it where is it us or the unibot? I think this is stupid. I think this is just bad thinking. It reminds me of what was Chicago Comic, I think it was Drew Michael.

He had a bit about Ted Kaczynski. Just about being the like, I don't want to be the guy who reads the manifesto who's at a party. And then they're like, hey, you want to talk about, I don't want to be that guy. Just don't read it. Just don't read it. Just don't read it. Don't be that guy by not reading it. The thing that's worse than being that guy who's talking about Ted Kaczynski having a point

at a party is being Tucker Carlson talking about how Ted Kaczynski had a point on Alex's show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A little bit more annoying than the guy at the party. The worst. Yeah, I think that if this is your like only barometer for criticism of technology, if that's the only thing that exists as criticism of technology, then I just think you're not

looking that hard, probably. It is wild how often it feels like they're just given like regular ass like TikTok advice from an influencer and then adding lunacy onto it. Like you could see a TikTok where somebody's like, I did a hack where I used a candle and you're like, welcome to the world. I was very recharged by going to a cabin. Great. Awesome. Stay in your lane. And then they're like, and that's why we got to kill everybody. And you're like, why? What?

I was just imagining Ted Kaczynski on on TikTok. I think it would be interesting. I I I think that we are not going to have the Ted Kaczynski is anymore because of tick tick tock. You're gonna be too distracted. You're too distracted. The next Ted Kaczynski be gonna be into dance challenges. On dance challenges. Yeah. Can't do it. It's one of the things that we should not lament,

but you know, the past is the past. Yeah. So we're out of balance as a society. Sure. And then Tucker makes a good point that I actually think he doesn't believe. Okay. I'm an incredibly moderate person.

I'm a moderate person by my temperament. I don't like radical things. It's clear. At all. It's clear that we're way out of balance is what you're saying Way out of balance way out of balance So many things I think people who you know You want to build a business you have to take debt in order to expand the business I get that But the idea that we're sending credit cards to college students and hooking them on debt

at 28% interest and nobody knows the names of the credit card executives who are getting rich from the suffering of hundreds of millions of Americans is shocking to me. Instead, we all hate Alex Jones because he's got naughty opinions. Really? What about the head of Citibank

who is hooking our entire country on credit cards and sending people into lifetime debt slavery? Oh, shut up! No, you shut up. You shut up. Is this a false choice? I swear to God, I will call your French Revolution bluff. Tucker, you want to do this?

Let's fucking go, man. I don't give a shit. Yeah, don't you hate Elizabeth Warren? Yeah, you're the coward here. Don't you dare say that I should be going out and killing executives. All right. I'm not sure he wants to kill executives necessarily sure like Yes, okay. I I do think the credit card companies and suffer have pretty predatory business practices Yeah, how do we deal with that your political set? I mean, I don't think so They're the ones who are doing it. Yes Your system is that system. Capitalism is the idea. You hate the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. You hate this shit. Yeah, it is, it is your concept

of laissez-faire capitalism is giving children credit cards. Yes. And then making them work. They have the right of association. Yes. They have the right to take their credit card. And if you, if you don't allow these credit card companies to offer them that, then that's impeding, first of all, their right as a consumer and the right of the business. Totally. So go fuck off. I mean, yeah, get the fuck out of here. There's no solution within Alex and Tucker's world for predatory credit card companies.

You can't complain about it. They cannot do that you just can't do it it and the less they're willing to change a great number of things yes about what they advocate for agreed so one thing he's not extreme sure despite thinking he's fighting demons I think we just all have to accept that's what what Tucker thinks now. See, I can, this is what I'm saying. He's able to say things with the conviction of like, taking so much for granted. And then you repeat back what's going on again and you're like, there's a man saying, I'm moderate. I don't like the extremities. Now, obviously it is down to a fight between good and evil, one on one. That's the entire universe right now. to a fight between good and evil one-on-one right that's the entire universe right now yes yeah I think that Tucker benefits from some perception

that he's a normal person he's a psycho he's an insane squirrel person because he had such a career in the mainstream of media yeah that I think that he still enjoys a little bit of that buffer and he does not deserve it. Nope. He is a mess. Full out crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, Democrats are females. They're the feminine party. Fine. Yeah. Have fun. I don't believe, I know, because they've done this before and they're telegraphing it, they're planning to try to trigger civil unrest that they build a civil war. They've got the movies out, they've got it all pre-programmed. That's another one of my big concerns. What's your view on that?

Well, that's so obviously true. I mean, you know, one of the many binaries, I think, in life is male-female, masculine-feminine, and there are two ways of fighting and communicating, and they're very different. In fact, they're poles. They're poles. They're the opposite. In fact, they're poles. They're the opposite of one another. One is direct, that's of course the masculine form, and the other is indirect, and that's the female form.

And the Democratic Party is of course a female party, and that's how they fight. They fight by, you know, they hit you in the face and scream, "'Stop punching me, stop punching me. That's exactly what they do. A man fights, he says, what'd you do? I'm gonna kick your ass and then does it.

Of course, and so January 6th was sort of in keeping with the way they approached the world. It was a passive aggressive action. It was set this up, make it seem like the other guys are attacking and then crush them. And so of course, they don't change. That's who they are. They're feline, not canine.

And they will do something very much like that, of course. All dogs are boys. All cats are girls. When you allow air out of your mouth, right? I mean, boy, I would rather it smelled bad than sound like that. That's disgusting. It's just fucking hell.

Just, I feel like I'm a little bit of a broken record, but this is just stupid. Yeah, that's insane. It's not even worth arguing with necessarily. Yeah. Like I have a rigid binary approach that I take towards everything and I slot everything into male and female categories and miraculously, I don't know, but the male is always better. So crazy. Also it reminds me of me a lot.

That's neither here nor there. I don't need to talk about it. And I think the people who don't adhere to these structures that I've created are crazy and probably the devil. Yeah, yeah. What? Yeah, yeah, and and for someone to have a 100% you are either one on board with me and therefore good or You are not on board with me and therefore evil and then then to then say, I'm a moderate person though. I like to, I try and understand people

when they have arguments. Right. Well he doesn't lie too, he's so honest. Man, this guy is absolutely, how does he exist in this, like how does your brain do that? That's, I don't know. How do we all watch it? I mean, maybe being away from electricity helps him. Maybe I don't know. So look, Trump is been convicted of all these felonies. Sure. And he might be going to jail. Sounds deep

state. But Tucker has another idea. Okay. Trump is being sentenced on July 11th. So a week before the Republican convention and they may remand him they may send him right to jail. How should he respond to that? I mean there are two ways to respond one is by You know doing what they say Doing a press conference from jail. They're persecuting me the other way and I can't recommend the better way But there is another way which is to say no. Yeah There we go This is a fake crime You never would have indicted me for it if I hadn't been challenging your power if I wasn't running for president the and perverted it into something unrecognizable, and I'm not playing along. I'm not playing along. I'm not actually going to jail, so why don't you make me? And that is a way to approach it.

And I would say that's the more direct way. Why play along with this stuff? What are you going to do about it? But in order to take that posture, you have to be ready to get hurt. You do. But I would argue that you have to be ready to get hurt whenever you tell the truth You got to so I guess I guess what this is Implying is what should happen is like Trump refuses to leave Mar-a-Lago or something like that Uh-huh, and then maybe all of the Patriots come and do a standoff at Mar-a-Lago or something like that sure You know cuz obviously if he's barricaded himself in the people are gonna come to his aid I don't think so. I think some people would they might yeah sure

I mean, I don't know how fruitful that would be but like that's that's kind of what this is soft pitching Yeah, some sort of a standoff where they they force the the government to act in a violent manner in order to Take him to jail. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I Think people are overestimating how much people care about Trump the individual You know what? I mean like Trump the individual is a 90 year old man who can't even string together sentences anymore You know like Trump the idea though is everybody in power right now who's fucking up is going to get what's coming them. You know? Yeah. Like, but I think, I think that if that person who embodies that idea were to be like, everyone comes around my house, they

probably, some people would. I think not everybody, but some people would maybe, I just I don't know. I don't think they care about him I think he's only useful and as long as he like and I I don't think I'm not talking about they as in like Secret cabal I'm talking about Republicans as a whole. I'm I'm not even I'm not even so much disagreeing with you Yeah, I think that the interest is in the ways that he's useful Yeah, and I think that they want to have another fucking standoff so that's fair I think it would be a convenient excuse to do some kind of standoff. It would be a fun another Bundy ranch Bundy ranch is a ranch. It's a it's a it's the wild. It's the it's the untamed land Have a standoff at Mar-a-Lago. What are you gonna be on the tennis courts?

Maybe. That'd be fun. Get a little exercise while you're waiting for the police to take you off. That'd be fun. I think it's a good place to have a standoff. I think that Alex is like, all right, I know what this implies.

So let's be really clear that you're not advocating that Trump should refuse to go to prison if they send him to jail. Let's go ahead and- I am, you're bluffing. I think that Alex wants to to go to prison if they if they send him to jail. Let's go ahead and... I am. You're bluffing. I think that Alex wants to be able to say that something's a false flag if it does, so he wants to be careful.

Right, right. I don't think you're calling for either, you know, way, but... I'm not. But you're just basically putting on the table what the options are of what's happening. That's absolutely right. I mean, I have no idea what the right answer is. I'm, thank God, not facing a decision like that. Trump is and I think he'll probably if he's remanded to jail, he'll probably go to jail. I'm only saying at a certain point,

it's important to acknowledge reality. And here's the reality. This is not justice. This is not a justice system. This is a husk of a system built by other people hundreds of years ago, that has been taken over by new people who perverted its original intent. It's not real, it's fake. It's a coup. It's like Harvard University. Harvard University was the place where the smartest people in the country went. Now it's a place where you go based on your sex

and your race, and the standards have been dropped dramatically, and the rest of us pretend that this zombie institution is the institution that we remember, and it's not. Are you fucking with me? And it's just important to say that. I mean, in Zimbabwe, at the heart, at the height of Mugabe's reign of terror against whites, he used the British, effectively Anglo justice system in place in Zimbabwe

to crush the people whose ancestors built it. It wasn't a real system. It had bore no resemblance whatsoever to the system that had been in place before MacGoblin got there except, you know, the outward, you know, affectations are all the same. The judges still wore wigs. They still, you know, called the court to order with a gavel. But at its heart, it was a completely different thing. And you can argue about whether it's a better thing or a worse thing. I'm just noting the obvious. I think it's important to say that. I think it's important to say that I believe in Rhodesia.

I was about to say! Listen, if we're going to talk about the justice system, we need to make sure that we have a whites-only justice system. I mean, like, honestly, I was very shocked when this is the direction that the thought went because it's more or less saying that the justice system is not white and male enough, like it used to be, and this is probably because Harvard is a elite institution

and it is not white and male enough anymore. That's all that's behind this. Yes, it is 100% all that's behind this. This is outrageously bigoted. I mean, that is like that euphemism fuck up that we did, I think, in the 90s. That's what it was. When you... Because we've gotten people to not talk like shitbags all the time.

Hold onto that thought because I promise you we will revisit that as we deal with what honesty means Tucker's world interesting. Yeah, that will thematically be very important as we go along Gotcha like and it actually even is a good introduction into this next clip Which is about how important is to tell the truth as to what we can do I mean look I'll just tell you what I've resolved to do which I'm not gonna hurt anybody I don't believe in hurting other people except in self-defense, and I really mean that. That's a religious precept for me, and I'm not going to change. Period. So I'm not staging any kind of violent revolution against anybody,

and I'm not going to. And I wouldn't recommend anyone else do it either, but I'm telling you what I've decided. But I'm going to tell the truth no matter what. Period. I'm going to say it as loudly as I possibly can, recognizing the whole time that the consequences could be very severe. I mean, I know for a fact they could be already dealt with this a little bit. And I mean, actual consequences. But that's just what it is. Like, what did you expect life was going to be about? Just ordering shit from Amazon? Like, this is what it is, actually. This is what it's always been.

So what it's always been is about telling the truth. Damn these consequences I At what point in time what did he would he clear would he call what he was doing? Not what he's saying. He's going to be doing well I know that he's made sort of a demarcation line at when he started when he started Fox News, right? Yeah, so maybe that is kind of the beginning of his Budding awareness that he's fighting the devil and that the justice system isn't wide enough. You know, I mean, if you were gonna go to a place

that'll train you to think those things, that's probably- That shit might fly there? That would be the best place to go. But look, the truth, it can get you killed, but you must be brave. By who? Who's killing? I'm not sure. I was just at this point, like, just really basking in how much of a pompous dick tucker is a real prey. You really do need to get out. I think it's easier for

young people to get this because they didn't grow up in this country with the expectation that everything will always be great. I mean, that's the country that I grew up in. I think you did as well. Normalcy bias. You couldn't even imagine. Yeah, exactly. That's a nice way to put it. So just like know that. And if you're going to participate in it, in my speaking for myself, a nonviolent way,

know that telling the truth and you're a living example, this is enough to get you killed. Telling the truth is that offensive to the people in charge because they're not just liars. Their currency is lies. They're about lies. The whole thing is a lie. And truth is the most offensive thing to them. So yeah, could you get killed?

Absolutely you could get killed. But maybe stop whining about it and do the right thing. I was about to say the alternative. I would much rather be killed telling the truth that I would like die of ALS or something. Like we're all going to die in the end. I don't want to. I'm not on a suicide trip. I love my life.

And I love my children and my wife and my friends and my dogs and the whole thing. But you are gonna die, so you might as well be brave. Might as well be brave. I would die for the truth. I would die. I would never lie. I'm not a liar. How about this? Here's my pitch. All right. For a period of, let's say two years, all right? No white men are allowed to talk about how the country used to be. You know, like for two years,

no white men are allowed to say anything. Not even like, oh, it was good or bad or anything. They cannot share their experience of what this country was for two years. And then see how many experiences of people growing up in the United States have been, well, it's always going to be great. Hmm. Yeah.

It's an interesting thought experiment. So look, no lies. No lying ever. And then Alex lies to Tucker's face. You are going to die, so you might as well be brave. That's how I feel about it. And when you have that attitude, you have a vibrant, powerful civilization. But when you're always cowering to whoever's bullying you, then the worst bullies ascend

to power. There was a famous interview with the newspaper of Thomas Jefferson. It's where the quote comes from of all the evil men and tyrants need to flourish as good men do nothing. The newspaper interviewer said, well, what's the level that tyrants will go? And he said, whatever level you accept, because there's always one worse that will replace them. Tiger, we've been going for an hour.

You've agreed to do about 25, 30 more minutes. So that underlying quote, as we've brought up before, is a misattribution that Alex is making that's actually a Frederick Douglass quote. Alex has recently decided to add on this, all it takes for good men to succeed is, or all evil to succeed as good Yeah, he's decided to say that that's from this What is he adding like Dylan Thomas and Frederick Douglas together it's complete bullshit. Yeah, and what he's doing is fine

It's what Alex does sure but it's so embarrassing for Tucker. You should you should be like hold on now Alex He's a little much. He's, of all the things he is, educated is one of them. So at the very least you should be able to be like, hey, let's just not do that. No, it'll allow Alex to play this game. Whatever. So I think that Tucker has, you know, the same vein as that, you know, credit card companies are taking advantage of young people. I think that's a good criticism.

I don't think you have an answer for that. I think that your policies make things worse, but that is good. And I think that he has another good point here, but it's also ridiculous coming from him. It does seem pretty clear to me that generational affluence has made America a lot weaker. I'm not for poverty.

I'm not saying it's a good thing to not have enough to eat. I'm not- But meritocracy has been murdered. Well, meritocracy is long gone, but generational affluence is bad for families and it's bad for countries. And I think one of the things we're seeing now

is that people just feel like, just make the pain stop. I don't, I'm super, super comfortable. I don't want to be uncomfortable. And I get that I feel the same way, by the way, I'm not judging anyone. I just want to be comfortable. I get it. But that's not sort of an option right now. Actually, you being comfortable is not, you know, on the menu, you're going to be uncomfortable and yeah, and it's better to it's better to choose dignity, I think. It's better to be dignified about it.

And what does that mean specifically? It means saying what you think is true because you're not a slave. You're a human being. You're made by God, not the Biden administration. Yeah, tell the truth because you're not Biden's puppet. What a credible position though for Tucker to have, this noted trust fund baby and millionaire at birth,ational affluence. That is what gave Tucker the ability to have a giant place in the woods and have a platform

to say his idiotic bullshit on. Without generational affluence, he might as well be Chase fucking Geyser. He might as well be Chase from the space. The circumstances of Tucker's life hinge entirely on generational affluence. And if he thinks that this's something that makes people weak, he's talking about himself. All of this is him talking about himself, not other people. He wants the pain to stop or whatever,

and that pain is other people struggling for rights or acceptance or anything like that. He wants that annoyance that he has as a really rich person to stop. So that's why he wants Trump to shut that off. If I was going to analyze everything that we've heard him say so far, as purely just like he'd written it down

and I have no context whatsoever. I would say to you that this is a man who is essentially saying like, if I don't get my way, I feel like I want to kill myself all the time. I know. If I don't get my way, I feel like I want to kill everyone else. Right, right, right. But I mean, you know, that's how he's... Yeah, for freedom.

Yeah. Yep. Okay, buddy. Yep. I am going to take my ball and go home and in this case that means Violence to you the poor's so if I were to assess what Tucker's been saying and what most of this is about I would say that it's mostly about how you got to tell the truth and it is important not to lie You know when you repeat it's important to tell the truth You are revealing how little you give a shit about

the truth or how much. Most days I would rather to sit in bed and eat French toast and read PG Woodhouse novels with my dogs. Okay, that that's kind of my preferred. You know what I mean? Lazy and self indulgent. No, I am. But that's just not a choice. We don't have that choice. So be a man about it. Don't lie to yourself. Am I going to go along with the deception and become something less than human?

Or am I going to say in a gentle, nonviolent, but persistent way, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not taking your COVID vax. I'm not going to pretend boys can become girls I'm not gonna you know mouth the slogans about Vladimir Putin and Zelensky that you're telling me to mouth I'm just not gonna do that and there's nothing you can do to me that will make me do that That's beautiful talker including death and I mean it. Okay, so I get it you are Anti Vax anti-trans and support Russia to the point of dying I guess in theory and that's truth to you Yeah, that's that's all you're saying really, right? I mean, that's a life. Mm-hmm to live your life like that

I mean, I guess I guess this is the thing though, right? Like you can believe absolute nonsense like that because you're super wealthy and you live You know Like there's like if you have to care about another human being who has their own stuff going on then they might be like hey don't talk like that to me and you might be like I've grown as a person now we can continue to be friends you know but he doesn't have that he just has no human beings in his life who will ever be like you're a fucking idiot. Stop it. It's doubtful. Stop this.

Yeah, or else if anyone does say that, they're probably possessed by a demon. Exactly. Who cares? Yeah, he can't, there's just no way. Now, I wanna address a very important thing here. Alex would never understand the humor of Woodhouse. I can't believe Tucker does either.

Tucker, like, Bernie Wooster is a parody of people like Tucker exactly so I think I don't know it's it's it's strange I don't think these people can understand humor and that's part of why we are where we are and it might it might be yeah so here's here's the deal the demons they want to kill humans sure because we're made in God's image. I guess. And you've got to be honest. You got to don't lie. They got to write something down. They need a decision tree or something because their motivations are not great. No. And they're lies. Mankind, people were created in God's image. We're not gods, but God created us in his image.

So if your program is to oppose God, then by definition, you're going to want to kill all the people. So it makes sense theologically, it makes sense intuitively, and I sincerely believe that that is exactly what's happening. So how do you respond to it? Well, with bravery, without fear. Like, again, I don't know what everyone's so afraid of. It's so weird. Everyone's so I mean, I'm not I'm trying not to be judgy. I mean, there are things worth being afraid of, I guess. But telling the truth and standing firm and what you know to be true. I there's no reason to fear that. Like, what's the worst thing? Like, if we're living in a total totalitarian moment where the aim is to kill people, okay? You already know how it's going to end if you don't do anything.

So why not just smile and tell the truth? Tell the truth. Be a truthful person. Come on in. The water is fine. This is what I'm saying. This is what I'm saying. Two years, no white men are allowed to talk about the past. And then all of a sudden you hear stuff like yeah we used to worry about if our toilet would flush because we couldn't afford things unless we lied for money that's how it works you think I care if you have a good McDonald's meal and yet I said have a good day every fucking time mmm that's a lie mmm you can't lie I was really struggling with this up till this point Yeah, because it's so incessant. Yeah the bullshit

self Glorifying I just tell the truth. Yeah, I just tell the truth And so this next clip Mike down for this because this I experienced like fucking whiplash And and it's outrageous like fucking whiplash and it's outrageous. But what I didn't mention and shame on me for not is the upside of the moment, which is the people. I mean, you wind up meeting these people in so many cases. I had dinner last night or two nights ago

when my barn was somebody, well-known person, who I never in a million years thought I would ever have a meal with. And it turns out we had everything in common. And this is one of the people you described, an awake person who was not where he expected to be reach conclusions he never thought he would reach he's got opinions that were repugnant to him ten years ago as do I and how beautiful is that because people

like that are liberated from the burden of having to pretend they don't it's a huge burden to lie it's a massive I mean I mean, all of us lie, you know, and if you caught me doing something terrible today, I probably would lie, you know, but it would be a huge burden. And once you feel like, well, I don't have to do that anymore, like there's no reason to do that. Why would I do that?

And I'm just not going to, oh, you're just freer. Like that is actual liberation. This is a person with a really fucked up relationship with honesty and sincerity. But this is where we loop back to what you were talking about earlier with the euphemism stuff because I'm going to translate what Tucker just said. Go for it. Historically, the right wing conservative movement that Tucker's been a part of is

based largely on weaponizing white aggriefment. It's always generally been about making white people think that things like civil rights were actually an attack on the white male grasp on power in this country. However, over time it became unfashionable or even looked down upon to just be open about having these positions, and as society gradually became more open and accepting, it became politically and culturally detrimental to be openly racist or openly homophobic or hate migrants. In response, the right wing created a language of euphemism

where they're still able to send largely the same message but hide behind respectable sounding words. It was pretty much perfectly laid out by Republican strategist and Roger Stone's old coworker Lee Atwater in a 1981 interview. Quote, you start out in 1954 by saying N, and that's not what he said he's a no no he went all the way for it in 1968 you can't say and that hurts you backfires so you say stuff like forced busing states rights and all that stuff and you're getting so abstract now you're talking about cutting taxes and all

these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a bribe a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. We want to cut this is so much more abstract than the busing thing and a hell of a lot more abstract than NN. This is an embodiment of the strategy that the GOP has used over the past decades to appeal to people on the basis of feelings of racial aggrievement while pretending that what they're doing is some high-minded political stuff. The problem is that this is kind of exhausting and a lot of people can see through it. So when Tucker says that it's a freeing experience to not have to lie anymore, he means that it's a freeing experience to stop pretending that he doesn't want to go back to the world

that Lee Atwater was describing in 1954. This is what he means when he says that it's important to tell the truth. For him, the truth is that the world should be run entirely by and for white heterosexual Christian men. Telling the truth isn't about actually telling the truth, damn the consequences, because in that very clip he clearly says that he's fine with lying if it helps him evade responsibility for the bad things that he does. Honesty doesn't mean honesty here. It means adherence to a particular worldview. It's exhausting to be a bigot and pretend that you're not for the sake of respectability. And you don't have to.

That's what he's saying. Yeah, that is exactly what he's saying. That's the entire construct of honesty that he is defending and standing up for in this interview. It has nothing to do with accepting the consequences of telling the truth even when it's painful and as a practice being honest. It's just about, we're not going to lie, we're bigots anymore. Yeah, I mean, it was, yeah.

Yep, that's a great summation. Mm-hmm. It was it was so much like people arguing about political correctness fucking Missed they whiffed they whiffed so hard because you're like I get what you're saying and yes It is nice, but unless you solve the underlying problem You've just given people a new language to abuse you with mm-hmm. That's it Yeah, and Tucker is saying we don't that language is tiring I don't even I don't even want to bother not using the f slur anymore. I I I Sacrificed for you people right and didn't slur all over the place and now I realize that it's not even in a fucking

It's not even in my way anymore. I never cared to understand why It's not even in my way anymore. I never cared to understand why It would have been wrong for me or hurtful for me to say these things or act in these ways or hold these beliefs I never really even cared about that shit Yeah, but just for the sake of appearances and not having my bowtie show canceled Yeah, we didn't want to have the we couldn't express those things, but now speak freely It's everything is fine be a bigot who gives a shit. It's honesty it's the Sunday like we have to watch a video sensitivity thing where it's like Unless you are dealing with it

Getting people to stop for a while is not doing the job. You know, it's not it's just not it's unfortunately Yeah clear. You got to go all the way. So look I think Tucker loves Christians and He's super for them sure last thing I will say Is I think it's really important to understand what they hate most of all they hate a lot of different things They hate working-class whites. They hate tobacco You know what I mean? They hate testosterone. Yeah, they have a lot of hates. These are hateful people. They're haters. But the thing they hate most above all else is Christianity. Not all religions, Christianity.

That's what they hate. But why is that exactly? Why is Christianity, which is the world's only nonviolent religion, really, it's the world's biggest religion, and it is officially nonviolent. Turn the other cheek. Someone takes your cloak, give them your shirt. Ugh. That's the religion. It's the religion of peace.

Alex should be arguing with him. He believes that Jesus said go get a sword. I mean... Like he doesn't believe that Christianity is a religion of peace. I understand that it feels good in the moment to say this. That's it. But you don't believe this. It's so fucking ob... I hate that. That makes me so angry.

That's just like, you're fucking masturbating right now. That is what he's doing. He is... Do not... because he doesn't believe any of that. He's just basking and feeling good about what if he did believe that for... what if I was fucking the most beautiful thing on the planet? What he's doing is like doing is living in the experience where he's justifying his own supremacy.

He believes that being white is better, being male is better, being cis is better, and being Christian is better. Because of God. Well, but you have to justify those things in ways that feel like a normal person might accept them. And so saying we're the only peaceful religion in the world seems like something that people might go for.

We're not just... Listen, listen. We're not saying that we're superior as a race. We're just saying that I believe everything that the race of humans has created that's good was created by my race. And every other race has only created terrible things for us. So again, see, I'm not saying that whites are superior. I'm saying that the fruits of our labor...

It's troubling. It's very troubling. Yeah. It's fucked up. Yeah. So Tucker goes on about how you should want to have a country full of Christians and if you don't then you're probably working for the devil. Hey guess what? We've tried it before buddy. You know in other words if I'm not the first time. If I'm like a Buddhist or a Hindu or a Zoroastrian it doesn't matter

what my religion is. And I'm running a country. I want a country full of Christians because they're civic minded. I know for a fact they're not going to foment bloody revolution against me because religion tells them not to. They're hardworking. They stay married. Okay. I want Christians that that will be the logical, obviously the logical conclusion, right? Because they're just they're orderly. And why would you be against that?

Why would you be against that? Not just against it. It's the thing that they hate most. It's the thing they're most threatened by. It's the thing that they seek to destroy. And you have to just ask, like, why? That's not rational. There's no sort of policy goal that's served by opposing Christianity.

There's only a spiritual goal that is served by opposing Christianity. Alright, in closing. And that's just a fact. This is so stupid. It's just, it's unbelievably bad thinking patterns. I don't even, I can't, if I engage with any part of that, then my brain will go on overdrive, and I can't, I can't,

cause then, cause what the man has just said is historically contextual contextual right so like he believes of what time period he's living in right is what he believed whatever time period He believes he's living in right the 50s. I don't know yeah, right So like he believes this whole like view point of it, but like we have history We do and they wrote some of it. Yeah, that's true, and it's not Follow this History of Tucker as a public figure and sounds like an idiot when you remember his entire existence I mean, I mean look this is crazy

It's crazy that a human being can say stuff like that the way he says it It just it blows my like I can't get over it. And not have someone just laugh at him. It's something because something needs to happen. It's just ridiculous. It is. It is. He's a clown. He's a clown. And I know I'm a clown. Right. And I like being a clown.

So I tell people I'm a clown and I know he's a clown because I'm a clown. Clowns know clowns. That's part of what we do. Game recognize game. I mean, it's just like if you wear a bunch of makeup sooner or later you look at other people and you see them wearing the makeup too. Even if it's spiritual. You know what I'm saying? Well but there's a difference between being a clown just for fun and to give balloons out and to be a clown to defend racism and bigotry. Yeah. And that's what he is. Yeah. But there's also, it's sort of a two-pronged thing. It's a clown that's existing to reinforce

these old structures that are built on racism, sexism, homophobia, et cetera, Christian identity. White maleism. Right. All that. But there's also like, you're being a clown and you're acting like you are a Harvard professor. Yeah, you know you you're acting like you are this image of I'm a moderate just really smart logical totally normal person right who's Has a big old nose that he's honking and saying I fight demons. It's funny. That's why it's funny It's because you're inhabiting what should be a place of prestige and you're a clown.

That's what we do. We dress up, we put on the clothes of somebody with power and we go honk honk and then everybody realizes that the people with power who are clowns are actually clowns. We're all clowns. We're all clowns. He's doing the opposite of that.

He's like, you'll never be as good as us yeah it's full of horrified yeah well so a fair amount of conversation is a time is spent talking about how great Elon Musk is yeah so great that he bought Twitter see that's clown that's clown shit it is yeah and he also they're also just like oh it's so good that he wants everyone to have babies and they talk More about that and you know it comes down to the dichotomy as always you either are all about creating life or All about destroying life and again. I would argue. This is a false choice being creepy guys That's kind of the nub of everything Elon's point about about birth rates, because it is, once again, a binary.

You're either the sort of person who dreams about killing, extinguishing life, or the kind of person who dreams about creating life. I mean, it's really a very simple choice. And if you're not reproducing, then you're dying. And the idea of embracing that is so unnatural, so grotesque. I mean, there's nothing greater. Everyone's nothing greater everyone supposedly obsessed with sexual what is sex it's the beginning of the creation of life that's why we're driven to do it because there's nothing greater something more fulfilling there's nothing more

inherently meaningful than creating life or being present when God creates really the acts of sex like it's the greatest thing that there is that's it children of course are part of you there's no greater achievement than having children there's no more enduring joy than having it's the greatest thing that there is. That's it. Children, of course, are part of you. There's no greater achievement than having children, and there's no more enduring joy than having children. It's beyond magic. You and a woman you love have great pleasure and interface, and then merge your genetics to create

this wonderful new creature that is the, it's fricking everything. I mean, God is there, you see the perfection. It's unbelievable. Yes, exactly, God is there. So, you know, you find people who don't have a chance to have children or don't realize its importance until it's too late I mean that's always the case or the society is you know, having the left so mad they don't have kids They want to take it away from us notice those that don't have kids form the core of the globalist death cult because they're pissed

They didn't have it. They want to take it away But they're literally it's more than just like some people don't have kids. It's like they're promoting not having kids by Promoting, you know the LBGTQ Three-spirit agenda, of course, that's what that is It's not about tolerating people who are different which almost every American is just instinctively happy to do very much including what no It's promoting childlessness. It's the end of family, the end of children, the end of reproduction,

the end of humanity. It's anti-life. This just is... rank bigotry. It's- It is- And- And there is a question that I would like to be asked

in rebuttal to this. Yeah. And that is, you know, there are people who are born, uh, unable to reproduce. Is that God playing a fucking ridiculously cruel joke where you're born and you don't have the ability to do the most important and only important thing that is part of life's experience?

Yeah, because they're teaching you about what's important. God created them to give you an example of how not to live your life. Oh, I guess that is probably what Tucker would be forced to say if you expect in these people are fucking insane It's I've heard those I've heard those conversations so many times. Yeah, we both have we've both been in quote-unquote the only peaceful religious Environment that you can't be in yeah, man So this brings us to the end of this interview and I thought that this was shockingly bad. Yeah. On a ton of levels. Yeah. I think that Tucker is a lunatic.

I think that he's an idiot. Yep. Or he's doing this stuff that is idiotic as a calculated way because he understands that this is the wave he needs to ride now. Sure. You know, like you have this stuff where it's like he's attacking the idea of generational affluence and it's like, well, you understand that it's because populism is hot in your world right now. Right, right, right. This season you have to do that. Right.

Otherwise you're perfectly thrilled to be the product of generational affluence. Yeah, totally. No problem with that. Totally. He's just putting on the mask of idiocy because there's idiotic shit that he needs to promote in order to stay relevant. Yeah. Or he's an idiot. It's one of the two and I'm not entirely sure it matters which.

Yeah, if I was going to give society as a whole non-political advice, okay? I would say structure it like the F1, all right? So every few years, F1 has like a new set of rules in place for how you can build the car, right? So if a team has got this amazing car, you know, they've figured out the rules and all that stuff, then the rules are gonna change though. So some teams will be like, our car actually under these rules, isn't that great?

So we're going to spend a whole year of the actual season riding around with kind of a shit car, but focusing on the rules for the next car. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like here's the thing that I've seen in my life with these people. We, this, this part of how they think and say they think is going to end. Yeah.

We're going to get to another side of it. If we survive. If we get to another side of it. Yeah, and this is gonna look fucking embarrassing. But that's the thing, they cannot come back. This is the type of shit people come back from. I've seen people come back from this shit my entire life. People are just not, well, we don't talk about that thing anymore. We have to not allow that.

You get one. Now it's done. There's no more Tucker. When the language changes, Tucker's gone. Hey, dipshit, not you. I am a dipshit. I take it. Tucker's first one was the bow tie arrows. Totally. He doesn't even get this one. We let him come arrows. It's morning Iraq war. He doesn't Let him come back. Yeah, can't let him come back. You should be characterized by these things

Forever. Well, yeah, no, I don't I don't I don't necessarily think that's true because I think that growth is possible Sure, and I think that that that is true. Sure, but I don't know what that would look like It certainly doesn't look like this But like I don't want I don't want to totally close the door But like what you can't pretend that this didn't happen You can't pretend that you didn't go on a bunch of shows and say that you're in a fucking battle with demons Right, right, right whenever it becomes disadvantageous for you to have done that Yeah, you need you need to sort of own that history.

Let me put it to you this way. I think as far as the story goes, we are a lot more dominated by stories than we would like to believe. Sure. Right? And I think we have as a society kind of deified the comeback story, that kind of thing. To the point now where we expect it and we fill in a lot of the blanks for people.

It's emotionally gratifying. And I think we need to change the story to, obviously they don't, you know, it's not like, oh, get them out of here, they can never be in society or anything like that. But as a character in the world story, they are done. They go away. Go home. I think the take on it should be like, I wish you the best with this growth, but I don't trust you.

You can't be here. You got to go home. You don't get to be in the story anymore. You get to go have fun. Live your life. I don't even care if you do. I don't care if you are happy or sad or anything. Just be a person person you can't be a character in the story anymore You know what I'm saying, but I don't know how I don't know how you organize We all got to just choose to not let him back here. Here's a tough Here's a good a political sort of just down the middle way that I can sort of Impugn this interview. I would say that any time you have a person who spends,

you know, a considerable amount of time blowing hard about how honest they are and how they don't lie and how it's, you know, this is what my life is all about now, telling the truth and outlying no matter the cost. And then they're like, hey, if I do something bad, I'll lie. It's gonna suck. It'll be a burden. Go ahead and just toss out that that person as a credible person to care about much in a wild way he was so

honest about how he's a liar yeah kind of makes you realize that honesty isn't what he's talking about nope anyway we'll be back for another episode but until then oh also I mean the bankruptcy hearing, he just... Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's... We'll see what happens. Yeah.

What else do you guys... What do you think was going to happen? Free speech systems didn't get liquidated, although it could have, and that would have been interesting. But now he's going to end up having to deal with this in courts. And people will be collecting on him. It's, you know, unemotionally gratifying in the sense that the collapse of the business would be like haha. It's over right? Yeah, this is actually a worse thing for him to have to deal with like an implosion

But you know a slow gradual everybody ripping a brick out of their own would be yeah And that may be where we end up going who Who knows? We will see. But we'll be back. Until then. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I'm the mysterious professor. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.