Knowledge Fight - #979: Election Eve

Episode Date: November 8, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan discuss some of the dynamics of Alex's coverage of the 2024 election results, where Alex admits Joe Rogan is a liar and gets a surprise drop in from a racist pizza guy.

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Andy and, Andy and, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello, Alex, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how are you?

I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how are you? I'm good, how Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes that like to sit around, worship at at the altar of Saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. So it's my spot today, buddy. What do you go first? my bright spot is Currently in our home Three men enter every morning and just make a shit ton of noise. How many men leave?

At five, usually three men leave. Okay. So it's not a death sport situation. No, it's just like a regular work day. And then hopefully by the end of it, we will have a new shower. And this is the brightest of spots. Yeah, that is nice. I didn't, look, I don't want to put your business on Main Street.

Sure. That shower is pretty gross. Or it was. It was one of the most disgusting things business on Main Street. Sure. That shower is pretty gross. Or it was. It was one of the most disgusting things you'll ever see. Yeah. So I'm excited for you to get a new thing in there. Your house is very nice. Like, you and Devin's place is nice.

I mean, it's a condo. But it's still nice. It's like... No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just don't call it a house. Fair enough. Fair enough. It's lovely in terms of everything, I think,

except for maybe your cave. Yeah, my cave is a horrifying nightmare. And the shower. And the shower is a horrifying nightmare. Both of these things are true. So that anomaly will be gone. And it'll fit much nicer. It'll just be my monstrous cave.

But that's to be expected. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I need to survive. Even in a best case scenario, if my place was really nice and decorated and everything Studio would still be a mess sure sure well. Yeah, that's our little it's just the space little hidey-hole. It's where it needs to be Yeah, yeah, well, that's good. How long do you say it's gonna take? They said it was only gonna take three days, so they say it's good. They're gonna be done by tomorrow

I took a look after they went home today it's it's a hole and it's filled with stuff but not a bathroom so we'll see what happens tomorrow what do you do in a situation like this do you give beverages do you tip no I just I just hide I mean that's what I do I'm just in the living room with the dogs and we're trying not to make noise as though they're not making a shit ton of noise like I'm trying not to bother them by making too much of a racket when they're using power yeah exactly hey guys sorry I've got I've got my music on a little

loud I'll turn it down well hopefully go smooth that'll be nice how about you what's your bright spot well my bright spot is my parents are in town for a visit It's very nice. Good to see them Very fun times and also this is my way of explaining why maybe this episode is gonna be a little shorter than expected dinner reservations, so That's a you know, it's a lot to take in. Parental visit and election, all of this. You know, it's just a whirlwind of shit. Yeah.

But today we're going to be talking a little bit about Alex's election night coverage. Sure. He was on air for quite a while, quite a long time. And I watched pretty deep into it and it was boring. Yeah. Yeah. It's very strange sensation to watch the coverage on there again because as we've talked about in the past, a lot of my curiosity and the interest in doing the show grew out of watching the debates on Infowars

culminating in the 2016 election coverage where Alex raised his champagne glass and mocked the people at the Clinton campaign. One could say that the show was born two days ago, eight years ago. Obviously, there's other pieces of it and that's printing the legend sort of. Of course, of course. But, you know, the visceral experience of seeing that was inspirational in my curiosity being driven towards like, what's going on with this guy? Totally.

People aren't really talking about what he covers. I don't know what his show is like. What is the real shit here? Yeah. And so to eight years later, be like in a fairly similar situation, watching an election happen where Alex is celebrating Trump winning and also going out of his way to play footage of Harris rallies. Sure. And going out of his way to try footage of Harris rallies. Sure. And going out of his way to try and laugh at these people. Sure.

It felt very different. Yeah. It felt weird. It did not quite strike the same chord. Interesting. Yeah. And I think a part of it was desperation. Okay.

Um, like, Alex wanted to mock these people and he wanted them to be in pain. Right. And instead, there would flash to, like, uh, Harris's, uh, the, the would-be victory celebration, and there were people dancing. Sure. There weren't people crying. Right. Like he wanted to mock.

Right. Like he did in 2016 right right right there wasn't that that image of the Soft soy liberal or whatever that that he would derive pleasure out of seeing their pain, right? Instead he was saying oh look at them look at them. They're in so much pain People dancing or milling about. Like it was not the same, but he wanted it to be the same. He wanted those feelings again, very obviously. And it just, I don't know, it felt very flat.

Yeah, that's the way it goes. I don't know what to tell you. So we'll talk a little bit about the night, but I don't know if all of it is really as much worth breaking down all Hours and sure I strongly doubt it, but who knows yeah, I don't think it is yeah But we'll talk about some things that are worth note But first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks. Oh, that's a great idea. So first to my gregly bear Bryce, proud papa to doot. Happy birthday instead of a bucket of poop.

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Jones. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And I learned of your podcast at QED and now I want nothing more than to hear Jordan yell, thank you very much at me. You are now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. There you go. And we got Technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to

Happy Birthday Chelsea from your knowledge fighting brother. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're a policy wonk someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop Daddy Shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action he's a loser little little kitty baby I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ thank you so much yes thank you very much. So, you know, the election happened. Yep. Trump won.

Yep. Shit's bad. And I think we all know how important we're all going to be for each other in the future, how crucial things are as things get bad. You know, I don't know, I'm not the best source of inspirational speech or insight on this. But you know, I think everybody who listens to this show probably

understands like there's a lot of work ahead. And you know, that's the answer to reality. I don't think that it was a giant surprise that Trump won. It was disappointing for sure. But at the beginning of the night, I felt like it could go either way. The sense that I got was that reality could go either direction, but that the media that we end up covering a ton treated Trump's win as a foregone conclusion, and they were planning a ton of groundwork for the possibility of him losing. There was just all, it's going to be stolen, oh my god, there's people in Philadelphia who've been caught stealing, like just wall to wall. This was the way things were gonna go. I'll admit though,

I did think that there was a slight edge that Harris was holding because Trump's a complete lunatic. I thought things like Tucker talking about being attacked by a demon would be a splash of cold water in the face for people that would wake them up about the direction that that side of things was going sure, but I was wrong Yeah, I'm fine to admit that I was wrong I thought demon attacks stuff in the last days of the campaign was like uh-oh pump the brakes Yeah, hold on what you gonna do But I think the main message that I've had from the election coverage on Infowars was that Alex is bored. And I don't have any qualms about that even now that Trump won. I still think Alex was

intensely bored with the actual election, needing to distract himself from the real world with any momentarily exciting headline or fantasy prediction. And from watching his coverage of the 2024 election, I still feel that way. I still feel that he was bored. He was just a bored guy with things going his way. There's this kind of celebratory mood, but during the night he played some footage of him and Roger celebrating 2016, and there's such a noticeable difference. It's night and day. That is not what I would do I would definitely not play footage of eight years ago and like be younger have less of a billion dollars over your head

Like any number of these things. I don't know if it was his choice. I think they might have done it by accident But also like they're playing this footage of Alex and he's like We got Trump in as long as he doesn't sleep with goblins will be okay Great and so like this whole idea that he had was like, alright, he's in But we can't accept him working with bad people, right? Right, right with the establishment and that the entire time that Trump was in office was Him making excuses for why Trump's working with these establishment people Yeah, yeah, and so like it's just kind of funny to look back on that and be like, oh, we're doing this again.

Oh, he's going to get good people this time. Yeah. No, it does make you feel like it's possible whenever everybody was telling you that democracy was on the line, they were lying. I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that. If it were the case, I don't think Obama would release a statement saying that he was very proud of the Kamala Harris campaign. If democracy was over, that seems incongruous, unless it's also and I'm fleeing the country

because I'll be murdered because Because democracy's over, right? I don't know. I mean, I think that, I don't know what happens as democracies crumble. I don't know if everyone flees or if people hold on to institutions that are no longer functional. Sure.

Maybe you just exist within that institutional place. What do you expect them to do? Like get their guns and start being like, Yeah, exactly. Sure. Maybe you just exist within that institutional place. What do you expect them to do? Get their guns and start being like, we fight at dawn? Yeah, no. That's the way that they made you feel in the lead up to the election. And now that it's happened, everybody's going to make you feel like, actually, things will be pretty much the same.

You'll be able to deal with it. We got a reserve. I think that some of that is your interpretation of democracy is on the ballot. Some of that is the way that you are made to feel by that conversation. See, there you go. Things are going to be fine. What everybody feels or what they like, exactly what their message is. Sure. And I don't think that, you know, you shouldn't be held to account for that. Sure. Not you.

Sure. I mean, the way that they made some people feel with the democracy is on the line. Sure, sure, sure. But I also don't think that it means you have to start shooting or else that viewpoint isn't valid. Of course. It's complicated. Sure.

So I was trying to put my finger on what this difference that I felt between 2016 and 2024 Alex was. And the thing that I kept coming back to is that Alex is no longer a free person. In 2016, he'd agreed to shill for Trump, a guy who he previously shit on and reported was connected to the mob, but he was doing a gig. In many ways, supporting Trump furthered his enterprise and it opened up a ton of conspiracy possibilities. Trump winning wasn't ideal, but it was an interesting development and they might be able to work with it.

But Alex made a giant mistake by centering his identity on the power that he felt after this win. He embellished stories and made shit up to make himself look closer to this power. He abandoned old guests who didn't go along with Trump and brought in a new crew of idiots who were riding the same adjacency to power scam that Alex was. Instead of being Alex Jones in a new world where Trump happened to be in power, Alex branded himself as the guy who Trump listens to and takes the lead from. Alex was talking to all the Trump advisors and Alex is actually the spiritual driver

behind the whole Trump movement. His essence became entwined with this in a way that wasn't freeing, but in fact shackled him. And now Alex lives in a constricted world of being Alex Jones. He's still Alex Jones, but he's tied down. Let's imagine a scenario where Trump uses the military against Palestinian rights protesters or climate change protesters. This would be as clear a day of a breach of Posse Comitatus as you could imagine, and

it couldn't be more of a red line for someone in Alex's political tradition. Deploying FEMA after natural disasters is supposed to be a violation of Posse Comitatus to him. So how can he exist in this conspiracy space? Sure. Like he would need to then be like, oh no, Trump is a villain. Yeah. Can you do that?

You can't really. No, spiritual drivers have to die. That's the important thing. Like Jesus, Jesus has to die. He can't like be 50, turn a little too much water into wine and have diarrhea. That's not your Jesus. That's not your god Yeah, he's gotta die for narrative archetypes for the storytelling The way that it goes you need to yeah, it doesn't mean that Alex needs to die

It's just that he now needs to realize that everything in his career is sort of Undoing and going to make a problem for his legend. Yeah, whether or not he needs to die, metaphorically, what he needs to do is go away to a space where people forget about him and then he can come back and be the rampaging returning hero. But he's got to go away first. Yeah. He's got to go away to come back.

And I mean, I think there's some like really funny irony in that. So during the show, he's selling his VIP membership club thing and on it, he has the lost Alex Jones tapes, which he's selling, which are episodes of his show from 2001 to 2008 that you have. Of course you have. But then it's also like, hey, dude, like, you know, the reason that you have them. But then it's also like, hey dude, you know the reason that you stopped there? You defamed a bunch of people afterwards and you don't really want people to understand this area of your career.

That part is really problematic for you. So now just throw in the Bush years. Anti-Bush, anti-Obama, you got them both, that was the glory days. No, but he still doesn't actually want his real show from a lot of the Obama time to be on. The Bush gives you like a, I'm outside the box legitimacy and then the tail end Obama is like, and this is where I truly stepped into the like role of anti-obama guy. Right it before it got to like Obama's gonna Avoid the Constitution and be like start a caliphate. Yeah, where have I heard that before Alex? Yeah

so like This is just really bad for Alex I think he's the way that he's tied down and there's a ton of examples like Trump using the military against protesters, where the archetype of Alex Jones should be yelling about how this powerful person is abusing their power. The fake version of Alex that exists in people's minds needs to be opposed to Trump because, you know, it's obvious.

But Alex has associated himself so much with the power that comes with being associated to Trump, he has to walk around pretending not to see very obvious shit that's in front of him. And it's embarrassing. He can only really sniff out one type of conspiracy at this point, which is the conspiracy against Trump. Even when he's mad at Trump about things like the vaccine, which is a bio weapon against the American people, Alex will yell about how everyone tricked Trump and he's only guilty of being a proud man.

It's no good. It's a parody of itself. Yeah. The money making conspiracy that's going to be what's going to do it for you in the coming years is going to be anti-billionaire stuff. If you're the biggest Elon Musk cheerleader there's ever been, you can't be like, oh, I hate billionaires, but the richest man in the world is totally cool. Yeah. I think, I think you do have a box that you're in and when you're a conspiracist in a box,

it's kind of pathetic. Not good. And I can understand how Alex is probably bored of being in that position and sees the trouble that this is going to imply. Totally. He has the instinctual talent to do more than this, and in order to fit the role that he's in now, he needs to play to lower than his actual abilities. But I'm sure he knows that there isn't a real choice for him anymore. The audience he's cultivated doesn't want what he used to pretend to be. Everyone kind of knew the game and one of the important things that happens in the whole night of Alex's election coverage is this admission that he makes while he's bragging to his co-host for the night. Candice, you were getting cut off. Make your points. No, no. I think that this is all amazing.

I'm really curious how much the Joe Rogan endorsement made a dent in a lot of these states that, you know, we're all concerned about like the battleground battleground states. I'm I don't know. I'm on the edge of my seat. I mean, I think in fairness, I think the earlier interviews and Joe acting like he was nonpartisan devastating Harris and Biden for years. He I I mean, I'm not gonna get down inside baseball, but I mean, the Democrats knew it. I mean, he was doing that so it would be more effective to hurt them.

Once he actually did it. Give them a little insight. Yeah, I mean, they know it so I can say it. Yeah, she chose as hardcore as I am. I mean, there's probably more of us like you and the general associate. But he knows everything. But the point is, is that it was already done. That was a victory lap. So this is it. I mean, this is the point is, is that it was already done.

That was a victory lap. So this is it. I mean, this is the point. And it's important to understand how much this mentality pervades this right wing media ecosystem. They are liars and they get really defensive when you call them liars. But then once they feel like they're in a position of dominance over you, they'll just admit they were lying the whole time.

Early on in the podcast, we did an episode about Stefan Molyneux going to Poland and finally just accepting that he was a white nationalist. Even though Molyneux was a side character on our show at best, I thought it merited an episode because what he experienced and expressed was such a crystallization of all of these assholes. They express views that are clearly indicating their beliefs, like in Mala New's case that he was a white nationalist. In response, people accurately describe his beliefs and tell him that he's a piece of

shit because of his white nationalism. People try to get mainstream platforms like YouTube to not host this very obviously white nationalist content. Stephane, on some level, understands fully well that he's a white nationalist at this point, but he also knows that if he's too clear about it, no one except white nationalists are going to support him. In order to trick non-white nationalists into defending his white nationalist content, it has to be about free speech or some other abstraction.

He's a defender of these abstract ideals, and the man is so worried about him that they've branded him unfairly as a white nationalist. Can you believe that? This is the way that they always do it. They just try and call everything racist. Crazy. But then Trump wins and Stefan goes to a white nationalist rally in Poland where he feels the power of the thing that he's been pretending not to be and the facade is no longer necessary. In that moment, he just admits he's a white nationalist, and in essence, all of his critics have been right all along. The same is true about a lot of these folks, and Alex is literally saying that it's true of Rogan.

Rogan may or may not actually be an overt white nationalist or anything, but he's a very extreme right-wing, social media poisoned shithead. For a long time, he's pretended to have a neutral, unbiased position, and his whole thing was about having these interesting conversations with interesting people, but all the critics, like folks like us, and many other people, have been saying, this dude is super right-wing. He is an idiot, and he is pushing this ideology.

And of course, the response to that criticism is to pretend to be offended. How dare you call me right wing? I just completely and mindlessly parrot social media right wing grievance narratives and interview complete idiots from the right wing media as if they were cool normal people. Have you met my leftist friends Jimmy Dore and Dave Rubin? The facade falls. But you might notice that no one cares. The point of people criticizing Stefan Molyneux about being a white nationalist was to help the people who might watch his content understand what they were seeing.

It seems like this was a show about philosophy or current events, but he was pushing racist and sexist ideology masquerading as free speech and common sense. He lied about what his agenda was in order to be more palatable to a wider audience, and then once he felt like he didn't need to hide anymore, he just accepted that the people criticizing him were right. He viewed it as too late to matter, and the association with power that he felt from that rally was stronger than his need to lie. The point of criticizing Rogan as a right-wing extremist promoting idiot was never to hurt

his feelings or to ruin him, it was to help people who might watch his show understand what they were getting into. He wasn't being straight up about what he was advocating for, and that was pretty apparent if you paid attention. Now the elections happened and there's no need to pretend anymore. He had Trump, Vance, and Elon Musk all on the show in the run up to the election, which Alex is calling a victory lap. It's honestly fine if he's a right wing fanatic shithead.

If Rogan believes all that stuff, that's his business and it's his right to express himself however he wants. The problem is the idea that he was lying and as Alex put it, quote, pretending to be non-partisan this whole time because the reason he would do that is to trick the audience into not realizing what they're signing up for. I don't know if what Alex is saying is true, that Rogan has told them that, but I think this is a situation where Rogan should have to respond to this.

I need him to either accept that, yeah, I've been lying to y'all this whole time in order to trick you into associating cool things about me with voting for Trump, or I need him to deal with the fact that one of his quote unquote best friends came on his show and said, my guy Joe's been lying to you for years in order to try and hurt Democrats. Yep. So I mean, he should have to face the music on this one way or the other I don't think he will sure but yeah that to me. I think that clip is Basically one of the only thing that things that happened on the show that was important. Yeah, just this haha Yeah, I mean, you know, there's there's

There's the other reaction to him being like I'm'm not a white re-nationalist, which is the, you know. Well, see, he's very ambiguous about his feelings. You can't call him a white nationalist. Here's the fact check. You can't call him a white nationalist because he said he wasn't a white nationalist. And that's the other thing. I think that there's some value in not throwing around terms just super capriciously.

But yeah, there is some cover that people who have noxious beliefs can play technicalities or something. Hiding the ball. Yeah, there are people who love that shit. They want to help him hide the ball as much as possible and I think that there's there's some of that There's a lot of other people who have been also quite clear Yeah As it as it relates to Rogan the way everybody is going to react to all of this will be in whatever

The explanation will be whatever it needs to be for them to not have to be like, well, I was wrong about this. That's what it's going to be. That's what everybody's reaction is going to be. So it's okay. So the issue with a lot of this is this mentality that Alex is depicting with Rogan is real for a lot of the figures in his media. Yeah.

Like the Democrats and Harris in particular, a lot of their messaging was around Project 2025. Sure. Being like, this is what Trump's probably going to do. These are staffing decisions and advocacy stuff that is likely what you're going to see if he gets elected. Sure.

It is so unpopular and people rightly saw a lot of the policy proposals as being like, I don't want to sign up for this. Sure. This is bad. Sure. This is no good. So, you know, they pretended that wasn't what they wanted.

Yep. And now you'll probably see a lot of that facade drop. But I want to congratulate Kamala for running a really, I'm really proud of her campaign. I'm just really proud of the way she ran it. I'm really proud of her. And you know what? I think it's good. I don't know what you do.

I don't know what you do. I don't know what you do. I do. But, you know, the reality is that it was a losing campaign. That sucks. Did anybody, did anybody come out and say, I am sorry I failed you. Our campaign failed you. We told you that democracy was on the line. Those were the stakes.

And then we did an actively bad job. For whatever reason you choose, we failed. We're failures. We failed you. I did watch her concession speech the next day. Yeah? That was not, that was not most of the theme. Not the thrust of it?

No. How about Biden's speech today? Was that the theme of it? Sorry, we failed you. I didn't see that. I didn't watch that one. No, it doesn't seem like anybody's resigned or like taken responsibility. Everybody's just talked about how I

I think there should be though. I think there should be a quite a quite a reckoning you think you know Strategy moving forward. Yep, I Obviously don't know enough to know what the right decision is sure it does feel like there's some hard questions sure I mean, I'm sure they'll be asked okay so Alex has co-host yeah for most of the night we're just gonna play a little bit just give you a little bit of the vibe of things okay and I don't think that she's very good at the game that's being played I only look at most of intelligence people ask where do you get intelligence all

the persons in the CIA? They have intelligence that I should pause real quick here and just give you a little bit of contact At this point in the night very few returns had come in. This is about seven o'clock So there's very few returns from Texas, right? But some of the early returns made it look like Texas might go blue They're a little bit worried about okay. Okay, all right, all right. We're in that mode where nothing has actually happened but everybody's kind of like,

it could go either way. Within three minutes of this clip, Texas has called for, yeah, for sure. That's the most brainwashed idiots ever. They don't know anything. That's been a lie to us. Real intelligence is observation in the universe of what's happening. They've spent so much time in Texas, Harris has spent so much time, the real

intelligence is observation in the universe of what's happening. They've spent so much time in Texas Harris has spent so much time. They've been snickering. They're going to win. They've been pumping us full of illegals. They've been putting

their people. They've got control of all the major cities. They're openly engaged in fraud. They just caught stealing a bunch of votes down in Houston, and they have been salivating where we're all focused on the other battlegrounds and they flip Texas. The only other person I've heard really warning of this is Marjorie Taylor Green with me in the last two weeks she's been on twice. Now this happened last time we have so many baked in fraudulent votes that it was like they almost stole Florida

four years ago that as it builds up they run out of the votes in the Zuckerberg database and then you see Cruz and others win. But we it was a very close last time and now they've been doubling down so I'm literally sick at my stomach because if they ever steal Texas they're never gonna let it go back again with this fraud so I am I am just totally disgusted and and let's just pray we got to work harder and get these machines out, folks. Candice Horbach, your take on this. I'm shocked. I'm shocked. First, I guess, do you require ID in Texas to vote? Yeah, but the Secretary of State said people can vote with

non-citizen IDs. Non-citizen IDs. The FBI said so. Yeah, I mean, look at that. Texas going blue. No way. Yeah, well, what happens? So what if, if, if Texas goes blue? They went hands down by a giant landslide. But what is that for the future? That's, and then does it get invest? It has to be investigated. Wouldn't you imagine? Yeah, but they've already,

the state stripped the power of the attorney general, Ken Paxton. He can investigate, but he can't prosecute. So they've defanged him. And again, Texas has 40 electoral votes. And is it possible even though the cities are blue, that that's still gonna flip the state? Because it doesn't, the rural-

Yeah, they come in later. Yeah, yeah, but it gets closer each time. I'm just saying Harris and the Democrats have been pumping money into Texas and hovering over it. Big tech's been pouring money in I Had no clue. I just figured that Texas was just like California said that wasn't even being looked at by the other side Yeah, Cal, you know California used to be deeper red than Texas really just 40 years ago. Yeah, they just took it over with fraud as Texas ever gone blue

No, no not since not since Nixon Whoa, and then yeah, I agree I think it seems really early for a lot of those states to be calling it already So why can't everyone else operate like Florida Florida seems to have it just have it figured out. It was all Takes weeks. Yeah Obama was out today saying it's normal 2020. It took a long time Yeah, the new normal didn 2020, it took a long time. No, no, no. Yeah, the new normal.

Didn't Florida factor heavily into 2000? She sounded like- A lot of Alex's conspiracies about voting machines kind of are rooted in Florida. Yeah, yeah. I was, based on the way she was sounding, I was thinking she was about to ask if they needed ID to get alcohol in Texas, because that's how young she is sounding. She does. She is a younger lady. Her name is Candace Horbach and she has a podcast called Chatting with Candace. She is a former adult actor who decided to move out of that field and into podcasting, which is totally fine. Yeah, I like that.

Not shitting on that at all. Okay. I listened to a little bit of an interview that she did somewhere else and she seems like a perfectly thoughtful person. But in the context of Infowars, she seems off. And I kind of mean that as a compliment. No, she's asking way too many questions. She's trying to get information as opposed to imply information. She's asking follow-up questions that you would expect someone to have conversationally. But you don't realize that like, Alex doesn't have an answer for you. And you're not supposed to do this. This is not a conversation.

It is strange whenever people don't understand that questions are just hiding spots for lies. She's like, oh, tell me more about this crazy information. How is it possible that Texas could go blue? And Alex is like like shut the fuck up I'm just lying groundwork And it's really funny too because if you're watching this Alex is staring off at the camera And she's looking at him and that really perfectly depicts like this vibe that's going on

She's having a conversation or thinks she is right and Alex is yelling. We're on TV exactly. Yeah, yeah thinks she is, and Alex is yelling something. We're on TV. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So all that shit Alex is saying is bullshit, but she doesn't really have much of a choice but to nod along whenever he gives an answer to one of her questions, or else she has to be like, what are you talking about? And then this whole thing is off the rails.

It falls apart immediately. Also Nixon lost Texas in 1968 to Hubert Humphrey, but then won it in 72. Sure. After that, Carter won Texas in 1976, and it's gone red in every general election since Reagan in 1980. Sure. This coverage is a perfect blend of made-up storylines, false interpretations, and then also demonstrably untrue facts. Yeah. That just, uh...

There you go. ...didn't ether. That's what you need. So, I think that this woman, Candice, is kind of an interesting variable that gets thrown in. Yeah, I agree. Because like you're saying, she's asking some questions. I don't think that she has good perspectives on stuff. I assume that I would disagree with her on almost everything.

Sure. But she is asking questions, which is not good. There's too many ideas. Yeah. And then I guess my question with Texas is do you think that the reason why it was showing blue earlier on is because we had like this huge influx of people from California. Absolutely. And then it seemed like the government here was trying to almost make it really unfriendly from them

for them and made it really really conservative to the point where now they're kind of rebelling? Well I mean a lot of the Democrats as you know come here from California other places just because it's collapsed and they just want money and they try to do different studies and statistics maybe 30% wake up but the majority still are just dumb in a box of rocks and they come here and turn They're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going

to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're

going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be like, you know, they're going to be the middle. And then they're. Yeah, the left don't even really know about issues.

The average leftist, they just follow the orders of the party. Sure. And they're very politically dumb. And so there's no making deals with them. They just follow the corporate orders. It's like I'm liberal. I'm the anointed one. I love everybody. Now, do what I say. World War Three and cut kids penises off. And it's just it's just they're corporate bots.

It's all BlackRock social engineering programming. They just do what they're told. They're in a cult. So then how do you, you can't not let people come in the state I suppose unless you do secede from the- That's a very important question. We're going to get back to that in a moment. Let's go ahead and see if General Flynn's ready. Okay. Jesus Christ. General Flynn. Great. So this is the sort of moment that gives me a little bit of pause about Candace. Mm-hmm.

This is an actual question, which is super rare on Alex's show. Yeah. People are moving from California to Texas, and to punish them, Texas has gone super conservative to the point where it's kind of unpleasant to live there for most humans. This seems antithetical to the supposed goal of creating a better state for people to live in. If the state insists on being hyper-conservative as a reaction to more liberal people moving to the state, then it stands to reason that this is just going to create a backlash where

Texas goes blue eventually, so isn't it actually in the GOP's best interest to compromise a little bit and create a center-right power structure that's more durable than an extreme fringe one that they're trying to install that's really easy to fall apart. This question implies an ability to think and engage with an idea which Alex doesn't do all that well with. Most of the people that he has on the show are more experienced with the game and they wouldn't even ask a question like this so Alex's only way to shut it down is to rattle off some buzzwords about how compromise is impossible his enemies are really even people and then quickly jump to another subject their energies don't match at all this is a bad vibe you cannot be

interested in the answer to your question that seems like she is she really genuinely would like to know which is the last thing you can do in this space Like it is it is literally like you understand that we're playing a game Answers like the ones you're looking for Shouldn't exist and we definitely don't want regular people knowing them. Yeah. Yeah, so we got general Flynn coming on though great We've also had Luke Ridkowski, okay? Radkowski Ridows no it's not ridowski

Because that's what we have called him I started this started doing the I don't remember how to pronounce his name as a bit Because the point now where you don't remember how to pronounce really don't know how to pronounce his name, but he's on Somebody whose nickname is don't tase me was on with him like him. It's Sounds great some chemtrail whistleblower. He had a real round table of luminaries. Good stuff. Don't tase me. I love it.

Uh, but general Flynn comes in and he brings possibly the stars are out. All right. Okay. That's what I'm saying. All right. The guy that, uh, the system fears general Flynn. Thank you in your busy schedule for briefly joining us to give us an update since we talked five, six hours ago. General, what's the latest? Yeah. So for everybody and Alex, thank you so much. I have

joining me here, the owner of Papa John's pizza. He's got about what? 6,000 stores, right? 6,000. Oh yeah. Good to be here with General. Oh, drum. Yeah. He's got Papa John with him. Hey, General Flynn, what's going on? I'm hanging out with Papa John, racist pizza guy. You know, I may be pretty, pretty, I mean, at this point, among our listeners at the very least, I'm

known for being angry about things from time to time. I don't know why, but General Flynn and Papa John together on election night, no, no. I demand we all stand up and say no. Finally, it is time to no longer be another brick in the wall, Dan. We say no to this. I felt like I had to take a breath. When he went to Mike Flynn and then Papa John is there. Mike Flynn and Papa John, what does that even mean?

I felt very similarly in that moment to how Alex must have felt when he went to interview the Bells and Christopher Walken was there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like that. What is happening? I think I'm going to just interview General Flynn. What's going on? Papa John is here.

What's going on? Papa John. I mean, I would say- Surprise guest. I would say that if there was a president and Bozo the Clown standing next to each other, I would feel similarly, and I would ask Bozo so many questions, I would be far more interested in his life. It seems like a bit of a promotional opportunity for Papa John's. Maybe. But he's not still involved with Papa John's, right? Because he says the N-word

a lot. I think publicly he might be less of their mascot. Sure. But I think he still owns the whole... Probably. Okay, probably. So Alex, here's where I think we're at. This is for your great audience.

And when we were on earlier, Alex, I think we had over 250,000 viewers. We probably have doubled that number by the time we got to this point. Who cares? So I'm guessing- Oh yeah, well let me just tell you, that was one feed you were looking at. We had about, not counting our other systems Millions listing all your Alex cares now 5 million people on them right now Yeah, beautiful. I love it 5 million viewers. Okay sitting here with Papa John

So Papa John's gonna owe me a couple of pizzas here, right? Oh my god This this is MTV's Spring Break in 1998. This is whenever there would just be pool parties and MTV would just wander around the pool and be like, hey, what do you think about this to some random stranger? And they would give as insightful an answer as, maybe I should give you free pizza. Yeah, we have Mussolini hosting the grind. Yeah, absolutely. 100% RIP. The grind. So we got to just like this this should be on a shirt.

Because we're about to win a major battle. I hope you're right. But the real war is about to start. Any closing comments from Papa John? Yeah. Last thing. Go ahead. Totally agree. This is a good versus evil. I mean, we got, this is a good versus evil. I mean, no doubt about that.

And Trump's our guy, but we got the, the super bowl tonight and it's a Patriots versus the Steelers and Trump is our guy. But so I just, I can't think of something that is beyond I can't think of something funnier than Closing words from Papa John Papa John. We're in the fourth quarter of a Patriots versus Steelers Super Bowl Not the Raiders Super Bowl with the where the fumble and it was snowing. No, we're in the the Patriots Steelers Super Bowl and that's I mean Trump is like Jerome Bettisis but before that in the past there we go there's a battle between good and evil I am maybe wildly impaired Papa John general flinch oh what did you do

last night ah man I was hanging out with drunk Papa John and Mike Flynn as we watched the results of the election. I think he might have been, I leave room that he might have been hungover. He just looked like a rough creature. He looks a little haggard. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. So I think that basically the plot of the night

is there's a lot of it's going to be stolen kind of conspiracies early just in case. Sure. But that the mood becomes Trump's going to win pretty smoothly. Right. Right. Right. There's this hiccup of like Texas could go blue. Sure. But then I think that a lot of the energy is kind of just, it looks like Trump's gonna win. Oh, we're just gonna do it. Yeah, and they're getting all of their information and updates about the map and all this from mainstream media sources.

Sure. And so they can't even pretend that these sources are saying that he's not gonna win. And so they kind of get into a holding pattern of, I guess he's going to win. And so then the story becomes, oh, I'm getting really mad about how Trump needs to declare victory now. Sure. In case they try to steal it.

Exactly. Right. By just having Harris declare victory beforehand. Right. Or the mainstream media will back her up. Or they're gonna like bring in all these illegal fake votes right in the night when no one's paying attention so Trump needs to declare now to shut that down right right so that

that becomes like kind of the way that they try to make things interesting at all but it doesn't really work no it all just it feels a little bit flat yeah yeah no it was nice. For a brief moment, the entire country shared a reality together. That's nice. We all agreed on what was happening for a little bit. And I think we can share another reality, even with Harrison Smith and Alex's co-host Candice.

Great. And that is, we're not interested in Alex's impressions. Great. And that is, we're not interested in Alex's impressions. Great. Virginia is leaning Trump at this point by about half a percent. So again, still very, very, very close. And we're, you know, less than an hour out from when polls closed. So it's thrilling, but it's looking better as we go. And if Trump gets in, this will be a day long remembered. Haha.

Sorry. We're too nervous to laugh right now. Megadron, prepare to die. Jesus. No, it's looking good. Looking good. No one's in the mood for that shit. And Alex is doing a Darth Vader impression where he was celebrating having killed Obi-Wan

Kenobi who is unquestionably a villainous moment. Alex's mind goes to that because he wants the Empire to rise and seeing Trump's favorable results it excites him in a way that reminds him of Darth Vader crushing the rebels in Star Wars. The fact that this is a little too obvious is probably why you get this uncomfortable laughter from Harrison and Candace because it's like oh Come on, man, or it could just not be funny. It's that too. Yeah, I mean it's not funny No, and you're Harrison you've heard this a lot. Oh god this impression never stops

Yeah, I mean even Harrison is probably like man You understand that the theme of that exact scene is that by indulging in the murder? He is sealing his own fate Mm-hmm, and he's not he's not one to be emulated. Yeah, he's not good. It's bad Yeah, yeah Even if you even if you are emulating him the lesson is you're going to by doing this you are failing him the lesson is you're going to by doing this you are failing but maybe you're succeeding because Darth Vader then kills the Emperor and helps Luke win sure but then he dies in the Death Star yeah but he's got to fair enough

yeah I'll give you that Alex you're gonna die in the Death Star so I just have a couple more clips of this dynamic between Alex and Candice. Yeah Beyond the like Rogan's been bullshitting this whole time Yeah, that kind of moment is very like that to me is interesting about this this coverage Yeah, there's stuff like you know Steven Crowder and him simul Streamed and Alex took off his shirt to try and get attention. That's sad. Yeah. That is genuinely sad. I've seen him rip off his shirt when he's drunk.

Yeah. And it's kind of sad, but also like, I get what's going on here. Yeah. This was a man who was self-aware as he was taking off his shirt. Yeah. That like, I just want attention and maybe someone will make a meme of this. Yep. And it really bummed me out.

He was just trying to sell sea moss. Yeah. Yeah, he's a sadder Bert Kreischer. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah Both have involvement with the Russians So Alex and Candice's vibe was probably one of the few things that I was like, ah I'm paying attention here So here's one clip of Alex explaining something about

Kamala Harris to Candace. And that's why when her teleprompter goes off, she doesn't know what to do. She's like, I'm just here to push some agenda. So they're not looking for anyone that actually is going to create any change or that's going to serve the American people. They have the idea that we, the people, somehow owe them our freedom. Candace Owens was on last week and she did the deep dive on her and I've read dozens of books on MKUltra and the congressional hearings and interviewed a lot of guests over the years but I hadn't really done the deep dive on her genealogy like Candace did and once she talked about it I looked up it's true her whole family's

like CIA she was connected to an MKUltra program, and when she said it, I went, wait, that's why she's always different personalities, or doesn't seem like the same person, and is an empty vessel, and we know Obama's whole family was CIA, and of course, that's the project, is put your people in.

So I don't know if she's MKUltra, but definitely she's connected to all that. I had no idea. It's crazy, absolutely wild. But soon as she said it, it clicked, that. I had no idea. It's crazy. Absolutely wild. But soon as she said it, it clicked, and then I went looking up. I mean, no, that would make a lot of sense. That would make a lot of sense.

You cratulous idiot. Yeah. Oh, oh, you sweet idiot. Jesus Christ. This is that issue of, like, she's clearly demonstrated an ability to ask follow-up questions and have some kind of engagement with an idea. But at the same time, she is on with Alex,

which is a choice that she made, which is bad. And then she has to hear that barrage of nonsense. And what do you do? What do you do? I mean, she engages with it the way that you're supposed to engage with a Superior legend where she's like, oh wow, that's information. You've told me. Mm-hmm You know, that's the way you're supposed to engage with somebody who is supposedly Above you in the in the pecking order. Yeah, there's a an amount of credibility that's given to these nonsensical things

Alex says which is unfortunate. Yeah. Um, it's also, I mean, it's really unfortunate because there's not much behind what Alex is saying. Oh, if she were to really interrogate some of this stuff, I think that maybe she would realize that she's talking to an idiot. Yeah. This is, I just want to say thank God.

If this is a thank God for the great awakening and whatever God's plan is, but thank God, Candice Horbach, you've been sitting here for 20 minutes the . Thank God for the great awakening and whatever God's plan is, but thank God. Candice Horbach. You've been sitting here for 20 minutes while we're ranting. You're getting pretty

excited. What are you making of this? I was going to say, Can we explain the significance of this to the people? Because everyone's really just looking at Trump and Kamala. So the significance of the seat. Well if we win the Senate, which it looks like it's been done now, and half the states are more reporting, then we'll probably get more seats.

And so if we gain in the House and the Senate, then Trump gets in, it's called the trifecta. We have the legislative, we have the executive, and we have the judicial. And then we can actually purge the deep state legally and lawfully with the trifecta. I mean, I'm sure you've got that, but you want me to define it for people? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no. And I think that's really exciting too, because it's really hard,

even if you have someone that you want to win, like it's the presidential election, if he has everyone working against him, it's like how much change can he actually be effective with? So yeah, that's really great news. Exactly, so he needs the infrastructure, the runway. Exactly, so that's really it. So how are you feeling right now?

So this is, I mean, I think it's indicative of like what they're doing. This is not serious. No. This is a person who is your co-host for the night who is asking you about what does it mean that the Senate races are happening. Yeah. That's not good. No. the Senate races are happening. That's not good. And then Alex's answer that he gives to that is so surface level and so meaningless that it reveals that he doesn't have much

engagement with any of what these results mean. Or anything. He just knows red good, blue bad. And if we take control of all the branches of government, we'll be able to change what is legal. The Constitution can be amended, you dicks. We can just do that. Yeah, that's how it works. Laws aren't real. So he's giving a shallow answer to a question that she's asking that reveals a complete non-awareness of the reality of the election Beyond the superficial optics. Yeah, and the social media bullshit that Probably is a large part of her information base

Yeah, and so you have a not serious situation here and then you have let's go talk to fucking general Flynn Oh, he's hanging out with Papa John. Oh, let's go talk to fucking general Flynn oh he's hanging out with Papa John oh let's go talk to Stephen Crowe or I'll take my shirt off to sell sea moss this isn't serious is what I'm sure sure I mean you know it doesn't matter though it doesn't like for them even if you know there's no need to because it's a battle of good and evil in the battle of God versus the devil You're not like oh, how's our how's Archangel Michael do it? You know like you don't care. It's God versus the devil well If you're serious about the devil or the God you should care about how Archangel Michael's doing I

I mean, I don't even know how to begin I I mean, I don't even know how to begin responding to those collections of thoughts put together if there is a balance of power right and You know checks and balances sure that Archangel Michael has sure maybe you should care a little but I get what you're saying I understand but Dan you're why we have fucking trade embargoes in the Phantom Menace, man. I don't give a shit about trade embargoes.

I don't give a shit. Well ironically, we'll probably see a number of that mirrored in the real world. That seems right. And probably a lot of racist accents in the future. And you are going to be Jar Jar Binks. No way! No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Look at the hair!

Look at the headband! I'm Greg Proops. I'm the announcer doing pod racing. It's a blabba dabba doo doo! Yeah, that's me. That's what I'm going to do. All right. I guess I'm the other head guy

We're just doing it fuck I Don't want to be on that. That's Tatooine right. Yeah, I'm not planning okay. All right dry Uh I don't like sand it gets everywhere wait am I Anakin oh no You just murdered Obi-Wan. Shit. Anyway, I don't really want to spend a whole lot of time on the full stream. I don't really think it's all that interesting and my time is limited at the moment. So we'll get back for Monday with a little bit of regrouping and seeing how

the chips have fallen with Alex. But yeah, I think this was kind of uninspired on Alex's part. And I hope that between this and the coming auction, he's able to get to a point where there's a point. Yeah. I think one thing that I think people need to understand most about the media and the politicians in this Particular circumstance is that the fun is in not winning For Alex, yeah, see what I'm saying like the fun is in being like not responsible for anything that's going on Oh, it's their fault right the fun is in being like not responsible for anything that's going on Oh, it's their fault right the fun is in being like these people are bad The fun is not in being like we should do stuff

Well, the fun is also in the like we have to stop the steal Yeah, exactly and you could tell there was a little bit of a disappointment how uneventful Revealing of the results and all of that was for them in the moment. Totally. It was like, we've got to create some kind of drama here. Is Trump's plane going to blow up? Oh. Their best result is Trump wins the Electoral College and loses the popular vote because

then they can do the whole thing of like, it was secretly still blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, you know, that whole thing. Honestly, their best result is probably, like, if something happens and Trump doesn't make it to office, like he dies of old age or something, and then they can make a conspiracy out of that. That would be great. Vance is disappointing, so he's kind of like the enemy.

Oh no, he'd be so effective. Well, he would, but not from a media perspective. Like, Alex would be unsatisfied by what he presents sure and so he could pretend like we need To go further or whatever Anyway, we'll see what happens, but we have a website indeed. We do it's not a try calm yep We'll be back, but until then I'm neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor And now here comes the sex robots Andy and and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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