Knowledge Fight - #98: May 2-3, 2012

Episode Date: October 30, 2017

Today, listener Alan has sent Dan and Jordan on a fact-finding mission going back to May 2012 to see what Alex Jones was up to back then. The goal was to learn about the spin on the death of Osama Bin Laden, but instead what they find are so many lies about FEMA camps, using cash being illegal, and "the death of the Chicken Man"

Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We are a couple dudes who like to drink novelty beverages and sit around and talk about Alex Jones. We do talk about Alex Jones pretty much all the time.

Too much. I think we talk about other stuff. You know who thinks we talk about him too much? Literally everybody. Me. You. Alex Jones. The three of us. The only thing we all agree on. We talk about Alex Jones way too much.

What are you going to do? Is there a twist to that? Is like they're... Because we can't just talk. It can't just be guys who are really, really knowledgeable about Alex Jones. Having like a really dry conversation. No, like we're on Charlie Rose or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can't do that bullshit.

Like, what are we? David Brooks? No, you and Alex Jones know very little about Alex Jones. I know a lot about both of you. Yes. That sounds about right. Yeah, I've added a new wrinkle to it. I've studied up on you. At the very least, my scrabble habits. Yeah, absolutely.

Never going to lose again. Absolutely. So, if you're listening to this, this is Happy Monday to you. This is my... I don't have a job anymore. This is Dan's Freedom Day. Indeed. I want to talk a little bit. Just real quick. It was a weird experience on having a last date in office that isn't like a,

Hey, I'll go fuck yourselves. Right, right, right. In my life, there's been a lot of like, you need to get out of here kind of last days or last days where I'm like, fuck this shit. The, like, it's hard to time leaving on your last day. You know what I'm saying? Like getting out like physically.

Do I leave at 4.30 or? Oh, no, I was going to leave at 3.30 because I had a doctor's appointment. I timed it perfectly. Very nice. But the, like, I knew the bus was going to come into play. And so, like, I had to figure out, All right, I got to go.

I got to say goodbye to just about everybody. Why? Because a lot of people would probably feel like I was a dick if I didn't. And a lot of people, I liked a lot of people there. Who cares? You're gone. You'll never see any of them again. Nah, you go in with a respectful handshake and you say it's been a pleasure working

with you. Dude, if you're not, you're not LinkedIn-ing these assholes. Who gives a fuck? I'll tell you what, I'm not LinkedIn-ing them. I don't think we can turn that into a verb. No, I don't think it's going to happen. It was just very weird because I went around and said like the tertiary goodbyes, like the people in the warehouse and the service people.

And then too much work. And then I was like, oh, shit, send a group email. God damn it, Dan. I went and clicked on the bus tracker and I'm like, oh, no, we got 20 minutes till that next. Oh, no, and it's too cold outside to just wait. Oh, shit. So I'm sitting in the office just drinking a beer because people.

People are giving you beer. Yeah. Last day. So I'm sitting there just having a beer and they're like, you, uh, you taking off and I'm like, I will be soon. I'm sitting there for probably eight to 10 minutes. Right. And then like I just staring off into the middle distance drinking a beer by yourself.

Almost in dead silence. Yeah. Of course. And then once that time is up, I'm like, ooh, bus is going to be here in about eight minutes. I get up and like, y'all, it has been a pleasure. I go one by one. You doubled it down.

Yeah. Exactly. All right. All right. Well, I didn't say goodbye to people in the main office. Okay. That's what I saved until the bus was gone. But anyway, every job I've ever quit, my goal has been one day I'm there and then

the next day people go, is somebody missing? And that's it. I wish. Absolutely. Yeah. Fuck all of you. There's something to that, but I feel very adult, uh, about having gone through the, maybe it's a right of passage and Alex Jonesy and right of passage.

Okay. Uh, that, but it was nice. You're now a young professional, Dan. Indeed. I'm a young professional propaganda fighter. I bestow that upon you. I appreciate it. Uh, something I'm going to bestow upon some people.

There you go. There you go. That's a transition. I gotta give a shout out to, uh, some of our, uh, new donators really excited about this. We have two, uh, donors who have joined on board new policy wonks, both, both named Jesse one with an I one without. All right.

So we're going to do two. So I assume one of them is so excited. So excited. Can't hide it. So excited. So excited. So scared. So scared.

And one of them, uh, their mom has got it going on. So this one, Jamie's mom. No, Jesse. Oh, maybe it is. No, you're thinking about Jesse's car. 875309. No, that one's a different song. Okay.

That's Jenny. A lot of J names confuse me. Uh, anyway, uh, this one is for the, uh, no, that's Stacy's mom. What's happening? What is fucking happening? You, you, oh, Jesus Christ. I need a job. Yeah.

I can't remember names. You don't have any focus. Yeah. Uh, so this one is for Jesse with an I. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much for joining. Welcome aboard. Jesse with an I.

This is for Jesse without an I. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you so much for joining up. Welcome aboard the weird uncle from full house. Now I need to do this. Uh, I have realized that there are a couple of people who have donated on a level that is not even specified on our Patreon page. They are too generous and we really appreciate it.

And, uh, I just have decided to create a new level for them. Bounce it up. Uh, there are two, uh, people who fall into this category. One we have given a shout out to in the past and I'd like to give another one to now that we have a specific label for it. Uh, I'm excited to hear this. I have not heard this. Maria and John C. We thank you so much.

You're very generous and we appreciate your help, uh, keeping the show afloat. I was thinking about it. We've got policy wonk. Right. We've got foreign policy. What else could there be? There's one guy who's a, uh, protocols of Zion walk that is, but that's just a specific title that he has for himself.

Good call. Yes. Uh, but I was figuring like, what is the like a supreme title that we could give somebody? And I decided Maria and John C. You two are officially globalists. I'm a policy wonk. Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone, Sotomayor sent me a book and a book.

So you, you went for it on that. I did. I think that was a murderer's row of all of our out of context drops. It is. I was trying to come up with something very special. So there you go. We do appreciate it so much. And if you'd like to become a policy wonk or a foreign policy wonk or a globalist, uh,

you can do so by going to our website, knowledge, fight.com, clicking, support the show. It is increasingly important as I now do not have a job. And I just realized today we are 65% of the way towards you and I having to do a drunk commentary on the Obama deception. So if people want to work towards that, I think that's a real goal. Yeah. So, you know, just chip in a little bit, see if we can do our drunk commentary. We could also sell that to rift tracks and see if they would, uh, host that on their

website. Let's get Mike Nelson to come over. Oh, that'd be so good. Get wasted and watch, uh, prison, planet, state, I don't remember the other. Yeah. I wouldn't worry about it. Jordan. Yeah.

Uh, speaking of policy walks today, we are fulfilling a special request of one of our very special policy wonks, uh, Alan out there. Uh, he has, uh, insisted that we, uh, get, uh, I don't know if Alan's his real name. That's just on Twitter. Anyway, be that as it may. I don't really give a shit. I think Alan thick would probably hide behind. It's Robin thick hiding under the name Adam Alan.

I don't know names. There we go. I don't know. I won't be here in a minute. No, of course. When you have your research in hand, you're fine. You know what the problem is? I started drinking.

We got to get you a script. I started drinking coffee again today. That's the problem. Ooh. Now you're all jumbled up. Yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, I'm, uh, started drinking coffee again.

Yeah. There was a time where you didn't drink coffee. Well, I worked at a coffee distribution center. I drink a pot of coffee every day. I, I regret to say that I was on a long, uh, energy drink kick. That's too long. Yeah. That's too much.

I'm not going to be drinking all that shit. Anyway, come back to black coffee, Alan, as Alan has, uh, demanded that we go back in time. Yes. Take a little trip. Nice little time travel episode. Indeed. He is requested that we go to May 2nd and 3rd of 2012.

Did he also request we do the longest preamble we've ever done? I think we've done longer. That's possible. This has only been eight minutes. Quite frankly. Fair. So I'm sure we've gotten up to the 25 minute mark at one point. Undoubtedly.

Um, there is, uh, the reason that I understand that he suggested this as a time to go back to is that, uh, it was, we wanted to see what the spin would be of the, uh, Osama bin Laden killing, uh, and, uh, burial at sea. Yes. So that was the, that was, he can't be unequivocally happy. He can't just be like, this is the only good thing Obama has ever done. Right. He has to make up a different reason for why it happened.

Right. Or say it didn't happen at all. Um, but that happened in 2011. So this is actually the anniversary of Osama bin Laden being killed. Okay. So this is one year later. And so I assume he's going to have the same narrative that he did a year prior. Well, just to be sure, I went back and listened to, I knew you would the 2011 episode on March

3rd, or a May 3rd, excuse me, and, uh, it's not worth going over really. Right. It's not that interesting, but accidentally the second and the third of May in 2012 gives us an amazing glimpse into what kind of propaganda Alex Jones was putting out back in 2012 before all this bullsh- Before the whole Trump situation happened at all. And even before, like, cause even in 2015, uh, in our investigation, we found like a pretty particular, uh, style of thing that he's going on.

There's still demons. There's still all this shit. That wasn't really all that active in 2012. So it's fun to go back and I think this is back when he just hated the president because he was black. Basically. Yeah. But he also hated Bush.

Let's not, let's be fair. Right. But not because he was black. No. Not black enough. Um, so let's start. Uh, we're going to start on May 2nd and we'll get to May 3rd a little bit after that. The narratives on the two shows are completely different in amazing ways.

Okay. Uh, and this is how Alex starts out the show on May 2nd, 2012. The second day of May 2012 transmission. I'm Alex Jones, your host. We're going to have Dr. Steve Pachennick joining us in the second hour and we're going to open the phones up for most of that hour. I'm, I'm really trying to get to more of your calls because they're always so informative. And by that, he means I take them as sources.

Yeah. Also, spoiler alert, Steve Pachennick does not show up and the reason is fucking hilarious. All right. But I'm going to open the phones up for US military in the second hour, specifically Afghan vets, because I can't tell you how many emails come in. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't have an email. Right.

They set me up emails. Somehow it gets out. I ended up spending all my time trying to read my email. I don't know how other big websites do it. How does the drudge report that probably gets, you know, five times the traffic we get? How does, how do they do it? How does the daily caller? How does all that daily?

How do they do it? So I just use text messages on my phone and I use IMs to the crew and they've all got emails. So what happens is they bring me in big piles of interesting emails. So you sound like a weird old man in the woods. I don't know how to use emails. I know he has an email. Of course.

But I think he's had one for a really long time. I think he's, I think he's, what he's really expressing is I don't know how. I don't really, I don't, I can't say. No, I know. Exactly. Um, but this is an uninspired beginning to an episode. Yeah. It's not great.

This is, uh, hey, I want to talk to army veterans, uh, from Afghanistan that'll reinforce my narrative. But at the same time, I'm just going to tip toe into this episode. I'm not, I'm not really feeling it. Yeah. We'll see how this changes over the course of time. He's got a very lethargic attitude at this point. A little bit.

Very unanimated. This is not the Alex we're used to. Here's what happens immediately after that last clip. I'm digressing. It's one reason the show's good. One reason it's bad. I started thinking about troops sending me emails and then it turns into a whole discussion I was having this morning about the nightmare of email, but hundreds of emails have come

in. That night. That email because we weren't even talking about troops in Afghanistan saying none of them by the bin Laden killing. I told you, I've talked to a Navy SEAL who has a friend who's in SEAL team six. They believe their helicopter was blown up, both of them. The one at the site of the staged Easter Bunny killing, I mean bin Laden killing. And I just love to say Easter Bunny.

I don't know why people have like Tourette syndrome and stuff. I guess I have Easter Bunny syndrome. But anyway, continuing here, it's just ridiculous. All this new older bull is just a total mythology is my point. And nothing's more ridiculous than the Easter Bunny. But every family gets mad at you because you won't lie to your kids about Easter Bunnies and Santa Claus and Tooth Fairies. Tooth Fairies.

That issue. I guess you're a conspiracy theorist if you don't believe in Santa Claus, but I'm digressing now completely off the reservation. You are completely off the reservation. I agree. The weird discussion of the ranking of disbelieveability regarding fantasy creatures. Love it. He later is like, I'm in a comedy mood.

That's why I'm talking about the Easter Bunny so much. Sounds right. Yeah. Sounds right. It's just like where you like, he has no foothold here. He's just, he's sort of meandering. Like he said, he's off the reservation. He's rambling.

Yeah. And look at this. This is where his ramble goes after that. I'm so busy. I was put in touch with former and current Navy SEALs that wanted to expose a bunch of info by former head of the Screen Actors Guild, a pretty hot-powered media person. And I never even called the guy's number. That's my problem.

I'm just going in too many directions. I just remembered that ball I dropped. And now it's gotten to the point of all I think about is all the balls I'm dropping. And I've never really been like that. It's just that now your son was around teenage. All the information's coming in and it's like, I'm Robbie the robot with smoke coming out of my ears. And I know that's how you are as well with your children and work and taxes.

I think that with your children and work and taxes, he's, he's, he's going into Jackie Mason territory. Totally. And I think there's a pretty substantial difference between your kids and work and taxes and fighting the globalists. Is there? Yes. At the end of the day, it's just another thing you got to do.

It kind of is just an item on the checklist. Frankly, you know, you're, you're like, I got to take the garbage out, but in a way that fights the globalists. I got to raise my kids, but in a way that fights the globalists, I was too busy. I'm going to watch the new season of stranger things in a way that fights the globalist. I just, I was too busy taking out the trash and paying my taxes. I forgot to call back a very legitimate whistleblower. Yeah, I know, right?

If you're main mission, you have no, you have no due diligence at all. You're just like, Oh, I just let that one go. You could still call it. Let's imagine a scenario where Curt Nimmo, he's the one of the guys who's left in for wars and says Alex Jones is a huge fraud. Right. He's put that out on Twitter before. If he's a huge fraud, if Curt Nimmo were to get in touch with me, I would drop literally

everything I was doing and be like, Hey, Kirk, what's going on? Right. That's what I would do. We talked to Larry Nichols for fuck's sake. And that was pointless. Yeah. A complete, a complete fucking lunatic. Yeah.

Alex is just meandering his way. Like I keep pointing that out, but it's because for the, this is the first like 15 minutes of the show, the first 10 minutes, there's nothing. There's nothing to, there's no traction other than him saying that no one believes the Osama Bin Laden killing story or the Easter Bunny story. No one believes that little kids cause they're dumb. And let me tell you something. Nobody believes in a start a anymore either.

What is that? And that's a sad thing. What's that? Uh, well, that's the reason we have Easter Easter, a start a, she was a goddess. Okay. Uh, in ancient, uh, what is it, Greek, uh, Roman times? That's not one of the Greek ones I know of. She was the goddess of spring.

Oh no. That's, uh, Demeter and Persephone. All right. Maybe in Greek. Maybe in Greek. Yeah. Let's not go down the mythology path. I think we're engaging with what Alex is saying right now.

I think it was. Isn't that our job? Yeah, I guess so. But let's engage with something that he says that we can actually look into and, uh, prove that he's lying about. Maybe Persian? Might be. Anyway, here's the next clip.

We are going to have open phones for the military, namely Afghanistan veterans. When Steve Pachinik is on the broadcast, Dr. Pachinik psychiatrist, sort of a lot, uh, government overthrow or, uh, assassin and of course, co-author of many Tom Clancy books. Is that what he has talked about here on the air, the fact that bin Laden was dead back in 2002 and of course the CIA and the meeting with him at the American hospital in Dubai. All of that came out on CBS news after Dr. Pachinik had talked about it. Uh, then Walter Cronkite came out and said they had him on ice and we're going to roll him out.

And so did Madeleine Albright former secretary of state. So very credible. I'm going to go out on a limb and I'm going to say he is at the very least willfully misinterpret in quotes quite, quite a bit, yeah, quite a bit. So I did some looking into Walter Cronkite statements that he's made and I actually, I think I can play this just straight from my computer. So let's see. Here is Walter Cronkite in an interview in 2002, uh, about bin Laden and something that

he thinks is a problem. Press freedoms. Tell us your thoughts on this momentous issue at this time. I wouldn't have thought that there was going to be a, a sea change in how we practice journalism until I read a couple of days ago that, uh, the traditional networks, uh, had agreed, uh, and indeed the cable net news networks had agreed with a request by, uh, the government that it not carry, uh, uh, bin Laden's propaganda broadcasts in this country. So that is something that he takes issue with and he goes on to discuss how, uh, all the

other countries like, uh, Al Jazeera and BBC and other, you know, all of these other news outlets in foreign countries do play them and he thinks it's sort of irresponsible and it's a bad sign for the press when the government is telling them not to air these things. And they just roll over. And they acquiesce. Yeah. So that's one thing. It's no, it's, it's not really too much of a surprise now to see so many different

screaming shows because while that was reasonable, intelligent and informative. Also boring. Super boring. Very measured speech. Wow. Is that boring? Right. Right.

Uh, and, you know, understandable. Uh, so then it clearly in 2002, he believes have been a lot and still alive based on the, what he says in that interview. Right. 2004 or set thereabouts had to be in 2004 because it has to do with the events of the election. Uh, and he had an interview with Larry King and he said he believed that, uh, you know, he clearly is believing that bin Laden still alive and he says, uh, that, uh, he believes

that Carl Rove may have set up the bin Laden tape that came out in 2004. Uh, he says this as it relates to, uh, it being advantageous to the Trump, uh, Trump, the, uh, oh, I'm Nancy Pelosi now. Yeah, there it is to the Bush campaign, uh, that, uh, they bring out this terrorist message. Right. That Osama is still around. He's not saying that Carl Rove worked with bin Laden, although Alex might try and present that as what, uh, Cronkite is saying also with Carl Rove, nothing's off the table.

Anything is in play. Yeah. Uh, but he's, he's saying that it's, I mean, if you take the context of that last clip, the 2002 interview into consideration with what he says in that Larry King interview, they combine to be like, why are they putting out this tape now when, before they had a restriction on playing bin Laden's tapes. And obviously that's a really good point. Has nothing to do with bin Laden faking being dead or anything like that.

So Walter Cronkite one does not match up. It doesn't check out necessarily. So Madeline Albright, that whole bag. Very classy discourse on knowledge. Right. Uh, she, uh, hey, I'm no Walter Cronkite. I've never, uh, I've never aspired to be either. So, so Madeline Albright was quoted as saying, do you suppose that the Bush administration

has Osama bin Laden hidden away somewhere and will bring him out before the election? And this is a quote from Fox news analyst and roll call executive editor, Mort Kondraki. And he goes on to say she was not smiling. She's insisted that she was speaking tongue in cheek. The quote that she had is to my amazement, Mr. Kondraki immediately went on the air to repeat the comment, which was made to a person I thought was a friend and smart enough to know the difference between a serious statement and one that was not. Uh, and look, here's the deal.

We've seen in the past that Madeline Albright is not that great at making off the cuff statements. She is like most sociopaths devoid of a sense of humor. Right. Even stuff that we've discussed here on the show that Alex misrepresents and, you know, she's gone on record and apologized for this is clearly a joke that didn't land or Mort Kondraki is just sort of an opportunist. Yeah.

Well, he works for Fox news. Right. So I looked into his past a little bit and he, uh, defended waterboarding pretty vociferously during the Bush era. He said in 2006, you would figure the terrorists will plan more upsurges and violence in Iraq to help Bush's adversaries. Hi, so he's, he's went on Fox news and was saying that like, obviously terrorists are going to try and help the Democrats.

Of course. Uh, linking Democrats and terrorists. He has a pattern of uncritically airing conservative propaganda pieces as news on his Fox shows. He's had a couple of shows on Fox hero one for from the center of security policy and one for progress for America in particular. He's equated NSA domestic spying with World War two code breaking. That is, uh, that is dumb on an offensive level. Right.

That's the dumbest take I have ever heard. It's hot. That's, I, I'm, he's, he was saying it's okay. I have not used the word flabbergasted in a long time, but that flabbergasts me in the present tense. I think anyone, I think anyone who was watching the video could see that in your face. Yeah. So that's, uh, that's bananas.

He's also been pushing. That suggests that we're fighting a war against our own people. Absolutely. That's exactly what that means. Uh-huh. Yep. That's the subtext. All right.

He's also been pushing for war with Iran since at least 2005, 2006. Cause he's a hero. Right. So I don't take him necessarily as a great source. Do you mean as a completely stupid and unreliable source who is more than willing to lie, lie, lie directly to your face? It seems that way. Yeah.

Um, and so when I looked into like what could Alex use instead as like people promise permanent people who have, uh, maybe cast dispersions on the idea that, uh, bin Laden was killed in 2011. Right. Uh, there's one that comes up that Alex should have used. Me. No. Benazir Budo.

Okay. Benazir Budo, uh, had an interview in two, already fun name. It's great. Fun name. Great. Uh, she was interviewed in 2007 and said that someone had murdered Osama bin Laden. She says it in passing and it's unclear if you listen to the context of the entire interview. It's not really clear at all if she's misspeaking because that's not the point of the interview.

And it doesn't come, like the, she's being interviewed by David Frost and at no point is he like, hold on now, hold on, you're telling me Osama bin Laden was murdered. What's going on? It's just, they move past it in a way that leads me to believe if you watch it, she meant to say another name and she said Osama bin Laden. It's not clear. Plus the idea that he was murdered, uh, doesn't jive with the ideas that these other conspiracy theorists have of him dying of like kidney failure, right?

Right. Right. Right. So that to me makes me. He died of porn overload. Am I right? Guys? We found what was in there.

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So Osama bin jerking off. Yeah. There it is. All right. Even if you use a better example, Benazir Budo, it still doesn't work.

Still stupid. Walter Cronkite, Madeleine Albright, terrible examples. I'm not here to discuss whether or not like I'm certain that Osama bin Laden was killed in 2011 in the context that we are told he was. I don't know from everything I can glean, I believe it enough because the things that people keep pointing out things like why would they throw his body into the ocean? That sort of thing. That's not that weird to me.

No. The arguments of we don't want to create a holy shrine to him or something like that. That checks out. That passes muster. Yeah. For me. I don't need much more than that. I mean they could have of course buried him in the middle of the desert and slaughtered

a camel child. So that only camel child, a camel, a calf, so that only its mother knew where the camel calf died. And then they could let the mother, who would always know where the camel calf died, lead them back to the body if they ever wanted to visit it. This is an ancient practice. I like it. Pretty sure it happened somewhat like that to Genghis Khan, but they also killed like

40 bodyguards. I believe that the way our government works, that would be cost prohibitive. That would not be, that wouldn't fly at the very least. You'd need to set up like six organizations in order to get this calf. You know, it would be a lot of red tape. Oh yeah. It would really hate down on Genghis Khan. So now I want to talk about Steve Pachanik for a second.

He is a Psyop dude. I do. Okay. He's a Psyop dude. And so Alex is saying that he came on in 2002 to say that Osama bin Laden was dead and he came out with all this stuff. When you consider it in the context of a Psyop operator, a Psyop operator. There we go.

I was waiting for it. You know, one of the things that happens pretty consistently throughout our wars, like these things happened in Vietnam, in Korea, in World War II, rumors of the leader's death of the other side are a very popular tactic. It's pretty easy to do. It's something that you do hoping that the forces will become disenchanted. Their morale will go down and they won't fight thinking that their leader has been cut off. Absolutely.

You drop fucking leaflets. Exactly. You see this over and over again throughout the history of war. And so the idea that Steve Pachanik, a Psyop guy, is coming on to Alex Jones' show and saying this traditional war Psyop language, it leads me to believe that that's what he was up to. Now, the problem is when you're working with terrorist organizations and you're working with these nebulous groups like Al Qaeda was in the early 2000s, they weren't fighting

for bin Laden. They were fighting for ideology. They were fighting against us. They were fighting against murder, against themselves being murdered. Exactly. And so the idea that even if this Psyop was successful and these terrorists did think bin Laden was dead, that would not stop them from the crusade they were on or from the war that they were in the middle of.

Again, he would just be a martyr. Right. That's a flash point. The only end result of this Psyop that I believe Steve Pachanik was running is to make Americans distrustful of their own government, which I don't know if that was the intended consequence or an unfortunate consequence, but it certainly bears out on info wars. And it's not like we needed that much help. No, no.

I don't think we've trusted the government for a good long while. No, for good reason. Yeah. But be that as it may, that's really what I wanted to talk about in terms of this. The rest of this is not going to have much to do with bin Laden. Okay. That is. Of course not.

It's the anniversary. He takes a bunch of calls and we'll see there's a call that's going to come up that is gets him off track. Right. But he takes calls from like a wife of a Marine who has gossip and like, that sounds fun. Right. But he just takes these calls from people who are like, who would you do it? Here's one.

Here's one of the calls that he gets. So what part of the C.I. are you in, Michael? Oh, yes. This is very nice. Fake laugh. Right. So I mean, double the rare fake laugh to fake laugh. Right.

So there's shit like that. The calls are terrible. He's not getting any real information. Nobody's from the C.I.A. No. And so like all of this been all the, he wants to talk about bin Laden, but all he can really do is say it's fake. You'll team six.

Yeah. You know, so there's nothing. Now I want to believe that they did kill Osama in 2002, right? And then just for nine years, just weekend at Bernie's time from place to place to place. That'd be fun. Absolutely. That'd be fun. Just drop it, drop him in anywhere.

Right. The also the, the, the number of people that would require in order to pull this off is prohibitive. Like the amount of people that it would take to hide this for nine years. Yeah. Among two different administrations and like, what would that be? Two elections, uh, different staff at every, uh, layer of department offices and stuff. It would be impossible.

The bureaucracy would go wild. It would be a complete, it would be a complete mess. I think there's only one, uh, full on conspiracy where the infrastructure did not break at any one point in time. And that was Scientology infiltrating the IRS. Interesting. Though they fucking rocked it. Yeah.

About 90 people, all who had worked there for like four years plus. And they, they, uh, executed this just deleting all of Scientology's records. Yeah. It was amazing. Some good work. Yeah. No, they all need to, you know, be, what's that? What's that?

Get a raise. Deprogrammed. D, D foot. No, that's, uh, that's the fun. Malinu shit. Yeah. Um, yeah. Uh, who cares?

Anyway, let's get on to it. Here's the next narrative that Alex comes up with. And it's, uh, dumb and I can prove all three of the stories he tells are lies. Speaking of the cash issue, let me just cover this, cover this now. Uh, Tennessee man arrested and imprisoned for using cash. It was an older $50 bill. Uh, they arrested him and kept him in jail. And then finally, um, the evidence area said, I think this is real money.

And they told, they released him, but said, you better go cash this in at the bank for something new. So it's, it's, it's he's bad. So let's talk about this story. Wait, what? Did he just say he's bad? Yeah. He's bad because you got to go change his money and yeah.

Oh no, I, I, I agree. This is bad. This is out of control. No, no, he's saying that, uh, the police state has gone nuts. Even if you do use a fake $50 bill, you should be, they should take your $50 bill away and be like, Hey, calm it down. So this is a, this is a story about a man in Tennessee and he used a super old $50 bill. So the clerk at the quick mark where he tried to use this bill notified police because the

fraud pen that you have at work to the gas station, you have that pen that you're supposed to mark any bill over a 20 with. And the pen marked the bill as fake. And so they called the police and here's a quote from the officer, the front side of the bill was off center and it didn't feel like a normal bill. It didn't, uh, it did look to be counterfeit. Officer Brock Horner said in his report, we thought it was weird because it had Jefferson Davis on it.

It's a very old $50 bill, better at 50 Horner took the bill to two banks where it was determined as quote real, but very old at one and proven real by a black light and magnifying glass at another, a judicial commissioner had Gasper. That's the guy who tried to use the 50. Yeah. He was in jail after three hours. He was in jail for three hours too long in a holding cell and Horner apologized for the arrest.

The report said Gasper was told by Horner to take the bill to a bank and have it exchanged for a newer one. So they didn't, if I can say like, you're bad, take this bill and they were just like, this bill is 70 years old. It shows up as counterfeit by our modern technology. You've got it. This should be out of circulation, but also you can hear in there. He apologized about it because it is a misunderstanding that is very reasonable to make the pen marked

it as counterfeit and they had to take it to two banks and use a black light and a magnifying glass to prove that it was real. What's that dude's story? Gasper. Where did he get that fucking bill? I don't know. Why does he still have that fucking bell? It's crazy.

How old is he? He was an old dude. Also, that bill is probably worth more than $50. Probably. Yeah. Don't you be giving that bill out? The money with imperfections is usually, that's usually very collectible. Absolutely.

An antique money. He probably could have gotten at least 500 bucks for that $50. Probably. I mean, not now that it's marked by the counterfeit pen. I disagree. I think that makes it even more exciting. Right. The bill that beat counterfeiting.

This bill lies. Yeah. But you understand, like there's a reasonable understanding like situation where he should have been taken to the police station because there's a chance that he is counterfeiting money or something like that. I don't think he should have been taken to the police station. That is debatable and I don't care. It's a 50.

I don't really care to have that debate. Yeah. Just the debate that Alex Jones is wrong is enough. Gotcha. And he is wrong. He's lying. He's pretending that the crime is using money and the crime, which turns out it wasn't a crime and they apologize for holding him.

Yeah. It was that it was shown to be counterfeit. Even the cop would got there. And even that guy knows how to use email, Alex. Right. So let's move on to the next story. And I see articles routinely where people just show, well, I had a friend, Chris The Fannis and talked to him in years.

I think he still lives in Austin, software engineer, well-to-do middle-class guy, a patriot, knew him down at Access TV and he went to prison for years. He was down on the edge of UT and he was talking about silver. This is like six, seven years ago. And he showed it to some people and they called the police on him thinking it was illegal to have a silver coin. And then it turned out he wasn't even on the UT campus, but they came off the campus saying, well, there's a buffer and he had his concealed carry.

And so they came, they got him for the silver, tried to charge him for that and ended up trumping up stuff for being near a college campus with a firearm. No criminal record, software engineer, part of the community developing all sorts of, you know, software that's well known out there and that's the American dream now. So boy, there are enough details in here for me to read a little bit between the lines and it's like, oh, this dude done fucked up. Not totally, but also I could find no evidence he was actually arrested. I can find no, because we have his name.

I know the date of the incident. I can't find an arrest record from anywhere around then. How about a Facebook? I found the guy's LinkedIn. Oh, that's nice. Maybe he could get you a new job. Maybe I found software engineer or silver guy. I found Chris Athanos is his LinkedIn page and it doesn't, I mean, why would you put

I was in prison for a few years? It's not a good thing to put over a gun charge. Not a good one. I might not put that on LinkedIn, but he's, you know, it looked no, it looked like a normal guy. Two things I could find from Chris Athanos that were in any way interesting was one, he has a page from Mufon. Oh boy.

Which as we know is the mutual UFO network, which there's no information on it, but his name is on a Mufon site. And so like he has a collection of ghost sightings or alien sightings on the site, but it's empty. It's completely empty. So I don't, I got nothing on that. Okay. Although they really missed an opportunity. It should be called Mufon.org.

Yeah, probably. Yeah. I think it predates though. Yeah, I know. They, they still got time. So you got to raise that profile. Do something knowledge fight cannot do. So the other thing I found was an organization called Liberty dollar.org and they put out

a, oh, this can't be great. They put out a periodical newsletter and I found their newsletter from April of 2003, which is when Chris Athanos was allegedly arrested, which there was a code in it that said, Chris, the Sanos kill, kill, no, that was, that was in the March issue. I can, who else would have gotten Obama or Osama? Like I, like I said, though, I can't see a, I can't find any like mugshot. I can't find any record of him doing time or anything like that. And if he did, I apologize.

It's just not, it's, you know, I don't mean to disparage, but it's not out there. You sometimes you can get that expunge from your public record. It's possible. Yeah. So they, or Alex is lying about you because you guys had a falling out and Alex didn't want to talk to you anymore. So he just made up a reason. So in this liberty dollar.org, they have a passage in this very terrible, the newsletter

zine. Yeah. It's just a word doc. Basically there's no bells, no whistles, but one of them is the incident of the month, one of the sections. Now, man. So here I'll just read from this. On April 14th, 2003 in Austin, Texas, an incident occurred that just shows how a small misstep

can create a big problem. And most unfortunately this incident involved Chris Athanis, one of our most successful associates and the RCO for South Austin. Like so many times, Chris offered a cashier a choice of either a $10 silver Liberty coin or $20 Federal Reserve note to attend a comedy show at a University of Texas venue and didn't think much that a quote friendly police officer was on guard next by nearby. Chris paid with the Federal Reserve note as that was preferred by the cashier and went into the show.

Already we can see in this, if your newsletter calls it a Federal Reserve note, yeah, you guys are wacky. You're suspicious. Yeah. Also, we can already tell he was at a University of Texas venue. So he was on campus property. What comedy show is he was probably the blue collar? What, what, what time is this?

What year? 2003. 2003? Yeah. Oh, it's probably Brian Poseidon. Could be. That was the year comedians of comedy was really breaking. That is true.

Yeah. It could have been. So he gives him the 20 and goes into the show. Shortly, the police officer found Chris and asked to see the quote coin. I think the quotation marks in there are a little, fuck off, a little bit of a flare. Mistakenly, the officer thought it was illegal. So he asked Chris to step outside, which he did. Now I'm going to read through the subtext.

I believe that the person who worked the door here thought this guy was trying to pull a scam. Yeah, of course. And flagged down the police officer. That's my guess. Yeah. That's my guess. So during a brief discussion, the officer and the backup officer asked Chris for his

identification. Chris refused, stating his fourth and fifth constitutional rights. The officers informed Chris that he would be arrested if he did not produce an identification. When Chris finally produced his ID, he also produced his right to carry a concealed weapon permit. This led to an inquiry as to where the weapon was and ultimately to Chris being arrested for having a weapon in a prohibited area, a school. So there we go.

Okay. That's their version of it. All right. So, Chris is a lunatic who likes to carry guns wherever he goes to schools and comedy shows. Does not realize that it's illegal to do so in public spaces like a school. Right. Whereas Alex's version of this would be like, Hey, it's totally legal to carry your gun

everywhere. I have my rights, my sovereignty. I just heard the massive collective sigh the two police officers had. Mm-hmm. He was like, I don't need to show you ID. I have the fourth and fifth amendment and they were like, Oh, fuck, yeah, one of you. But again, second story had nothing to do with money. Right.

It has its money adjacent in as much as someone being so slightly suspicious about someone's intentions. Yeah. Uh, led to the, uh, the actual problem. Yeah. That's a classic asshole slash con man move of his like, I got a $20 bill or you can have the shiny thing. Yeah, exactly.

Like fuck you, dude. Just pay with a federal reserve note. Right. You can take this 20 or this chunk of gold and it's Pyrite or something. So here's the next one. But I see these cases where one case I remember was a few years ago, a guy goes into Best Buy and he had, I think it was buying film sounds like a street joke or a memory stick or something.

You can pull up the article. Guys type man arrested for using $2 bill at Best Buy and he is exactly the original info. It's like five six years ago. So I forget the details. But all I remember about it was is, is that he had done something with Cub Scouts where he was teaching about the Declaration of Independence because that's from the back of a $2 bill. It's beautiful engraving.

I know because I went to the U.S. Mint once when I was a kid in D.C. I bought a whole sheet in fact it's somewhere around here. The guy, he gave tours, he gave like tours that children took. So he didn't work with Boy Scouts or anything like that but he did have like an official capacity. Anyway, back to Alex's story about going to the Mint. I need to get it framed and it came in a red tube of $2 bills that they were selling as one sheet uncut.

And I guess I can get arrested for that. I bought it at the U.S. Mint. But weren't circumcised were you Alex? See I digress in these stories and he had been teaching the Cub Scouts about it and he was showing it to him at Memory Serves and then he had some left. He'd been handing them out, teaching about the Declaration of Independence. So he went in to buy something at Best Buy and they said this is illegal. This isn't real.

And the managers and all of them were so stupid. I would have just walked out with a security guard, walked them, that they thought it was illegal and the cops were so ignorant. That's what's so dangerous about. The public's not even so much evil, they're just dumb, ignorant, morons, not just the police, the general public are just dangerously stupid. And he went to jail. I agree.

He went to jail. In fact you guys found the article. They put a man arrested, cuffed after using two dollar bills, Best Buy customer on being jailed. At this point I'm a mass murderer. And let me see if I was right about the Cub Scouts, let's see how good my memory is. That is from, what year is that from? This is really great.

2005. I said six years ago. It's actually like seven. Whoa. See if I'm right about the Cub Scout thing. I know it was some youth deal. So I'm you, I left a lot of that in there like you're responding to like, oh this is riveting radio to sort of illustrate like this is what his show was like back then.

Yeah. This is very. It's wild. This is me. This is rambling bullshit. It's more information. It's like getting, it's like a story told by your grandmother. And what's, what movie was that that we went to and the theater was gorgeous.

It was a beautiful theater. Tom Hanks was great. Oh man. Wait. Tom Hanks wasn't in that movie. I thought we were talking about a cloud Atlas. I love that movie. So of course you do.

Of course you love. Alex back then was much more information. It was all lies, but it was that it's, it's that like, it's not a show man. It's not great. No, it's, it's fun to listen to though, because what we're going to get to is fucking hilarious. The end of the May 2nd episode is maybe one of my favorite things I've ever heard. Since, since we started doing this podcast, I have had a few people like, Oh man, I used to listen to Alex Jones like five years ago and I've always been like, why the fuck would

you do that? He's an insane man. Yeah. And now you're showing me five years ago and I'm like, well, this is just kind of kooky and stupid. Yeah. Yeah. And there are moments where it is like one of the things that I loved the most about

love line back when I used to listen beyond, beyond just like them being great hosts and the lines of love. Sure. Um, was it felt like they were trapped. There was a, there was a certain amount of like it's late night radio, they're stuck in this studio and they got to fill time. So Adam would come up with little games and stuff like that and ways to amuse himself. And there's a feeling of that a little bit with Alex Jones in 2012 of like, he's trapped

in this studio. Right. Whereas now like, if you look at the pictures of what his studio looked like back then, it looked like shit. Like not like shit, but compared to now it's not a million dollar studio. So like there is a feeling of like, I gotta, I gotta fill this time with the fuck am I going to do? Let me ask about this Boy Scout thing.

So it, there's a charm to it that I like about radio, about amateur independent radio, but a bit of a ramshackle quality to it. Yeah. So like the boom mic is popping down into the shot. Right. Right. Yeah. Totally.

So Alex is lying about this story entirely. What a shock. Three stories in a row about money. He's completely lying about to make his point that it's illegal to use money. So this is from a world, which everyone knows is dumb. Even his listeners back then are like, Alex, it's not illegal to use money. It's not great to use stupid money because people are going to get confused. Yeah.

So even in the world net daily article about this, which is what he's citing, it says, according to the sun report, the police arrest report noted one employee noticed some smearing of ink on the bills. That's when cops were called. One officer reportedly noticed the bills ran in sequential order, which is suspicious generally because people would you rob a bank? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And the smearing ink on the bill also could come from like a gel pack or something like that. There's a lot of reasons why that would cause a row suspicion. Secret service. None of them being that it had a two on it. They called in a secret service agent at the police station right because of this department of the treasury.

The secret service agent Leah Turner eventually arrived and declared the bills legitimate adding according to the police report, sometimes ink can smear on money, which is not widely known information. That's not something that people know. So also Alex is lying about the fact that he was teaching Boy Scouts about the Constitution. That's not what he was doing. That doesn't sound right at all. He gave he gave tours and so he was there at this Best Buy and he was getting a stereo

installed in his son's car. Not buying film. He seems like a nice guy. I don't have anything against him. Yeah. I think I think this guy was the victim of weird injustice. Totally. I agree.

And he got handcuffed to a pole at the police station waiting for this to get resolved. Again, it was only a matter of hours. Yeah. But at the same time, if he wants to sue the city or whatever, the police department, fine. On board. I don't know if he would win. But I would not have a chance.

I'm fine with that. I think like they did not act out of line and be like, you can't use two dollar bills. No. But there was a miscarriage of of perceptions, I guess. I don't know. So anyway, after Best Buy personnel repeatedly told Ballesta, which by the way, his name is Mike Ballesta, which is an anagram for bike molesta. So they told him that he would not be charged for the installation of the stereo in his

son's car. They received a call from the store saying it was in fact charging him the fee as a means of protest. But Ballesta decided to pay the $114 bill using 57 crisp new two dollar bills. As the owner of capital city student tours, the Baltimore resident has a near has a hearty supply of the uncommon currency. He often gives the bills to students who take his tours for meal money. Quote, the kids don't see that many two dollar bills.

So they think this is the greatest thing in the world, Ballesta says, they don't want to spend them. I've been doing this since I started the company. So I'm thinking, I'll stage my little comic protest. I'll pay the hundred fourteen dollars with two dollar bills. So you know, all right, that was kind of, I mean, that's not a good bit, but I get it. But it's in the vein of someone who's like, I'm going to pay all the nickels. Of course.

Yeah. No, no, no, I get it. I think it's less effective because it's just fifty seven two dollar bills as opposed to, you know, like five twenties, but whatever, have your fun, have your fun. And it's a little less effective because he didn't realize that they were leaking ink. They were. So, so that's that. I mean, it's just like three instances right in a row of Alex misleading, telling bullshit

stories to try and enforce this narrative that like fiat currency, they're trying to make it so you can't have real money. They want to take everything digital because he talks about the globalists wanting a cashless society. Right. And so he uses India. Did just go cashless. Interesting.

Which was a fucking banana's way. They did it too. Yeah. One day the prime minister was like cash is nowhere legal. Like interesting. You can't use cash anymore. Now that is a great idea to go paperless, but roughly 85% of people in India do not have credit cards or anything.

And the same is true, maybe not that high of a number, but of our population, it just wouldn't work. They would be absurdly impossible to implement. Yeah. All the drug dealers I know would really fuck up their business. Yeah. They don't take Bitcoin. Yeah.

I know. Although maybe that's what they should start doing. Probably. It's untraceable. Absolutely. So Alex, like he's just trying to bolster this narrative of globalists wanting to get rid of cash so they can control what you purchase and track everything by telling three bullshit stories.

It's crazy. It's so easy. Yeah. It's so easy to see through. Well, I mean, it's comically easy. The Simpsons do only make one House of Horrors episode per year. So it might not be that easy to come up with three separate stories. It's possible.

Yeah. So all of them connected by a theme. That's solid work. It's true. So at this point, we've already seen a bit of difference about Alex back in 2012. Yeah. We've seen he's not as good of a performer. No.

He's a little bit, like I said, he gives too many details because I can track down all these stories. If he had just been super vague about it, it would be much more difficult for me to find these and be like, nope, you're wrong. Yeah. And so he hasn't learned that trick yet. But here in this next clip. And he hasn't even made me mad this entire time.

Well, in fact, I'm kind of like, you know what? We disagree on things, but I think you're fine. Right. There is a little bit of that. Yeah. But in this next clip, we're going to get to find, we're going to get to see a similarity between 2015 and 2017, Alex. There's this story I saw yesterday I didn't cover and I meant to get one of my writers

to write on it more, but World That Daily, of course, picked it up. It's the pilot newspaper out of Norfolk, Virginia. And they don't even say to the second page that it was black on white crime, a beating at church and Brambleton. And the story is for two weeks, the paper refused to report on whites and their cars being attacked by hundreds of young black people. And this is happening all over the country. It's epidemic people.

And the police, when they complained and went for help, were told, shut up and get back in your car. We're not going to help you. What do you want us to do? Sounds like the police. I know agonized over even reporting on this happening. Now, again, my issue is this is very dangerous. The globalists want to foster this, show it boils up and gets really big.

The Justice Department tried to cause race wars. As you know, NBC edited the tape of Trayvon Martin, regardless of whatever you think, if he was right or wrong, towards everyone. The point is, the Justice Department had fomenters in there. The media tried to push this to get us fighting with each other. And now the media feels like they can report on it because the youths are bragging on Facebook about it. The youths are bragging.

And some are saying, you know, it's not very nice to beat up white people, you know, some black folks are saying, oh, yeah, well, they deserve it because of Trayvon. And so what's going to happen is the average yuppie that's self loathing and everything is now going to start not being racist, but fearing all black people. And this will not be good for black folks socioeconomically, it won't be good for anybody. But that's what the globalists want. They want to keep you on their poverty pimp reservations, and they want through the culture, the hip hop, all of it to sell that it's cool to talk about about white people.

And young punk white kids may get intimidated by that and go grovel at the feet of it. But most people go, well, I don't hate somebody because of the color of their skin, but why now I better look out. So he's already, I mean, he's in his white victim hood shit back then, even crazy. That's just universal. That's my, that's my favorite bullshit there is it's always like, oh, no, no, no, black people, you, if you were nicer to white people, we would like you more. And it's like, dude, I, you're just going to make white people scared.

Yeah. The, the good, good white people should be far more afraid. Now here's the unfortunate piece of this. He's not lying. Okay. That is a real story. Cool. And I looked into it and while a lot of the context is off, it is real.

There was a couple that was driving at church in Brambleton, which is an intersection in some place in Virginia. And there were a bunch of kids in the street. A hundred seems like an exaggeration, but there were dozens of kids, okay, youths. And they beat up the dude in the car because he got out of the car and they were mad, wandering around in the aftermath of the Trayvon Martin murder. Yeah. And they were blocking traffic.

He got out of the car and they were attacking him and the police ended up coming. Now the part about shut up and get back in your car is a misrepresentation. The police were interviewed about that and they talked about how they had got reports of gunshots on another part of town that evening. And so when they were telling them to get in the car, they were like, get in the car and because. Yes. It was a protective thing.

Right. And they, I believe the quote was, we made the decision to get them off the streets immediately as possible. Right. So that was what was going on there. The article itself cites one Twitter comment where someone said, do it for Trayvon or something like that. Why do we just have one Twitter comment as news?

It's not good reporting, but the other stuff that surrounds it, the stuff about the paper refusing to cover it because it's black on white crime is not true. All that stuff is just that, that, that, that part isn't true. But unfortunately. I feel like nobody did anything wrong in that story. Well, I know, I mean, you still don't want people beating up innocent people. You know what I mean? Like it's.

Yeah. It's understandable. I would say it's understandable. I don't think it's right. But I get it. Yeah. I get it. I still think there's an innocent victim in it.

Is there? Yeah. Yeah. Who? The dude who got, he got out of his car and got beat up. And nobody's innocent. Jesus. You don't know anything about this guy.

And to be fair, I don't either. Yeah. So anyway, there's a lot of assumptions you have to make. But be white dude, Norfolk, Virginia, Virginia. Oh, really? So, but, but look, the, the more important piece is this is Alex driving, sees a bunch of black kids, all of them very frustrated and angry about Trayvon. He thinks, fuck it.

You know what? We can't be having this. Gets out of his car, starts mouthing off, and then he gets his ass beat. But that might not be, that might not have been what he did when he got out of the car. We don't know that. Entirely possible. But come on, that narrative tracks. For you, but you're just doing what Alex does.

I know. Okay. I'm having fun. All right. As long as you're aware of that. Why can't I have fun? Because that's the opposite of what we do. Not the having fun part, but you are, but the, the just sort of like a guessing what

a story. I know. I know. I'm just, I'm just having fun with you. I'm serious. I know. I'm going to throw a rock at you. This is a good juxtaposition or not that switch around.

This is a body swap comedy is, yeah, you're going to be very angry this entire time and I'm just going to be chill. Having, having a panda. I'm chill. Having a grand old time. You think I'm chill on all the other episodes? I'm not saying that you're chill, but by comparison, I don't know why I'm getting offended that you think I'm chill because you're very angry right now.

Very not chill. So anyway, but the point that I want to make is that this idea that he has or that he's espousing about this being a race war narrative and this story reinforces that is the exact same thing he's doing with those currency stories. So the game he plays is very clear and it repeats despite whatever the context is. And you could be, you could make a good case for him just having got lucky that the headline actually did match up with the rest of the story or at least matched up with some of the story.

And it's not, it's not an incredibly sensational story. And actually, I got to be honest, I know 100% that Alex did read that article because when he's talking about the person on Facebook, he's referring to something that was in the article that one post, I think I said Twitter, it might have been Facebook. Well, no wonder he was so boring back then. He actually paid attention. Right. He's like me.

I got to get to the bottom of this. I'm not going to call that fucking Navy seal. I got to get to the bottom of this thing. So I told you earlier, Alex wants to take calls from Afghan veterans who, who will agree with him that Bin Laden died way back in the past and it's all bullshit. And he's crushing it so far, taking 400 calls. Unfortunately, he gets this call pretty early and it destroys the entire rest of his life.

No. George, you're on the year. Hey, Alex, I'm calling from FEMA region for two quick points that I'd like you to look into piggybacking on one of the stories that did a couple of weeks ago. I have a cousin who's married to a soldier stationed out at Stewart, a home, a brigade homeland who told her that the guys that blew up that fella's house in Roswell, they were wearing Fulton County Marshall's uniforms, which is why you're Roswell police. All those guys were off duty that day, but that they were actually soldiers from Stewart

that did it. You look into that. Number two, the former Viper squad that had been hanging out on Interstate 40 as you go into Memphis and the little cutoff there where it goes down from 70 to 55 have moved eastward and now on all of their vehicles, it says district 23 police. So I stopped and asked a guy at the rest area, Hey, where's the 23rd district in Tennessee? And he said, man, I don't know what that is. There's no such thing.

That's bullshit. Just do a Google search. You'll find the 23rd district. It includes the city of Fairview, Franklin, Brentwood, Nolansville, Thompson Station, Spring Hill. It's just south of Nashville. It is substantially east of Memphis, however, and the intersection of 40 and 55 that he's talking about is not near there.

But the somebody should send him an email about the 23rd congressional district is a very real place in Tennessee. Memphis is straddled by the eighth and ninth districts. So anyway, that's all bullshit. But the chicken man, the chicken man, the chicken man is what destroys the rest of Alex Jones's show. What happened? Nothing.

You're right. Yeah. What did you do? Yeah. Did you just burn my chair? No. That's what I didn't do. Okay.

I apologize. So the chicken man, what do you know about the chicken man? I don't know anything about the chicken man. I know everything about the chicken man. So the chicken man was a gentleman by the name of Andrew Words, who or Jim Semivan could be Jim Semivan. The chicken man. This could have been how Jim Semivan faked his death.

Now that would be a great traveling show. Jim Semivan, the chicken van. I would totally go see him do a headlining spot. I would too. So Andrew Words, the chicken man, was a guy who lived in Georgia, in Roswell, Georgia, and he had a couple of chickens. And then he... All right.

So one part of his story checks out. Then he got a bunch more chickens, Andrew Rooster, and some pigs. And his neighbors started to get really mad. Because it was just a house. Yeah. So they... That's a problem. Because these animals were super loud.

Drop in property values for sure. And so he got in trouble, and there was an order that a judge gave that told him that he had to restrict the number of animals he had at his house because, you know... Because fucking dumb. We live in a society. And so he refused to comply with that order. He's the chicken man. So he ended up going to jail because he wouldn't get rid of his chickens.

Contempt of court. He fell behind on his mortgage payments while he was in jail. And unfortunately, that led to his house being put under eviction. So he's in debtor's prison now. Pretty much. He's dead now. Oh, he's dead now? Oh, he's dead.

Oh, no. What did the chicken man do? So... Eaten by his chickens, that ironic bastard. So on March 26th, Fulton County Marshals came to his house to evict him. And I'm reading here from a Huffington Post article on the matter. A standoff ensued around 12.45 p.m. Words...

I take it this is where we find out what happened to the chicken man. Here we do. So the issue, too, was that he was supposed to be in court that day, as I understand. Yeah, so there's a guy named Mike Pechenick, not related to Steve. I got it. He's a reporter for Channel 2 in Atlanta. And he went to Words's home on Alpine Drive where Fulton County Marshals were gathered outside for the eviction.

Words told Pechenick he was scheduled for a court appearance that morning on a traffic citation but feared that Marshals would repossess his home while he's gone so he didn't go. So he's in the house, and I mean, I guess that's a play. So the standoff ensued around 12.45 p.m. Words called the cell phone of local TV reporter Mike Pechenick who was outside the home and told him to warn Marshals to leave the property. He told Pechenick, I can't tell you what's going to happen, but it ain't going to be pretty.

Moments later, the home exploded and started a fire. Oh boy. CBS Atlanta reported that fire officials found a deceased individual inside but could not confirm that it was Words. It was. Investigators found gasoline and a potential detonation device inside, but the cause of the explosion remains under investigation. This was reported the day of.

So the other quote that he had that he said to Mike Pechenick on the phone right before the explosion was, I appreciate everything, brother. I appreciate everything you've done. And then so you blew up his house. I feel like that dude was probably fine, except for all the fucking chickens and pigs. If he just, if they just hadn't, if they had just taken him away, although he probably would have blown up all the pigs. According to the stuff that he posted on a bunch of like weird meetup groups and all

right. Social media stuff. I'm not liking him anymore. He really loved these chickens, like to the point where he was willing to die for the chickens. I mean, that's, there's something grossly romantic about that's why he's called the chicken. I got it.

So yeah, I mean, the story, the story that Alex is telling is like, I mean, I guess these federal marshals or they're not even federal marshals. What are the soldiers from Stuart? Stuart is a army base. Oh, okay. Not, not a, not its own soldier group or like, well, we call ourselves the soldiers from Stuart. Of course.

So that we'll get, we'll get in because Knights who say knee was already taken. We'll get into that a little bit more down the line, but the basic premise is that there are soldiers impersonating deputies and they blew up his house for an unknown reason. Madeleine Albright was running the show. Probably. Yeah. Alex has suggested that they wanted to build a bio dome there, which doesn't make sense because he has neighbors and there is no bio dome now.

Where else would you keep the chicken's though, right? So that, that doesn't make sense. It does. Like imminent domain doesn't come into play. The only complaint that anyone had was like, you are bothering your neighbors with your roosters. Yeah. Roosters do one thing and that's wake people up.

They make a shit ton of noise. That's kind of their game. You can't have them in the city. Makes sense. It's very discourteous neighbors. I don't like the fact that he lost his house. Like that's, that sucks. Like while he was in jail, he couldn't make as more good that's, I think that's an injustice

as well. I feel a tremendous amount of empathy. Yeah. We should have just built a bio dome over his house. Couldn't hurt. That would have made everything better. The home. Absolutely.

Maybe they were just trying to film the movie bio dome and he, he misheard that. No, this is too late. This is 2005 or whatever. 2003. Um, so in this next clip, we see that Alex Jones totally believes this caller who has brought up the soldiers from Stewart, uh, narrative of blowing up the chicken man's house. I'm going to go.

Dr. Pechenek. I apologize for having to hold spoiler alert. The reason Steve Pechenek hangs up is that Alex does 10, 15 minutes on the chicken man and Alex comes back from break after Steve Pechenek is gone. And he's like, yeah, Steve was just like, I called in to talk about bin Laden. What, what's this chicken? It's just like, I got to go. I got to go.

I'm not talking about the chicken man. God damn it. I'm Dr. Steve Pechenek, Psi up assassin or whatever the fuck I'm supposed to overthrow governments. Yeah. I'm not going to be about the chicken man. I don't know. That sounds fun.

So there's a moment. I'm going to take a break, talk about the chicken man from time to time. He did take a break. He took the day off. So anyway, but this is breaking news to hold a little bit in the next hour to catch up on time to take military calls as well. But sir, repeat everything you just said on air because some stations don't carry that first five minutes.

Uh, who this person is, the fort, where brigade homeland is based, everything you said, like tumblers just clicked as, as that I believe you, but we've, we've got to ferret this now. This is chilling. The police act like they are scared to death there in that town. So does the sheriff. So then the guy just repeats exactly what he said in the first thing, and it's a relative of his has a spouse that works at Stuart. So this is third hand information that's coming to him.

Fourth hand, if you consider Alex as one of the hands, it's hearsay, it's nonsense. And let's listen to this next clip so we can get like Alex being a little bit petty pretending he already knew everything that the caller said, of course, and then we can get a clearer sense of what the allegation actually is, but what they're training the guys at Stuart to do in their day to day training is where police uniforms of these different parts of the country. I argue that doesn't take training. Put on a shirt.

That's what they're doing. Do they even need to do that? They could just give them a badge and call them playing clothes. Right. We have to, we have to train you to wear a different uniform. It's very dumb. Like they have to, like they have to actually impersonate people. They're like, okay, we're going to send you to Tennessee.

Go with your Tennessee accent. Hey now, what's going on? You're terrible. We're going to have to send you to Maine. Go with your Maine accent. Well, but you could just use any voice and say I moved here from Missouri or I moved here. Yeah, you could.

No, you have to blend in with the locals. Let me tell you this. One of the hallmarks of the police is they don't like to answer questions, so you don't really have to. You could really just not say anything. You don't have to do an improv scene with a citizen. I think you should. No.

Look, second city traveling group actually there to teach soldiers from Stuart. I think it was second city that killed the chicken man. Like Fulton County Marshals, they're training in these local uniforms and the soldiers are like, why are we doing this? You know, do you have a lot of dissent within the ranks out there at Stuart? If you can get guys out there to interview them, you'll have, and I'm not just talking about. That was when you mentioned this, this district, you know, 23 group and all that, which is

the major testing ground. But now it's expanding. They have TSA in fake local made up outfits now. I mean, this is this is directly out of the worst communist dictatorships. I mean, this is so hellish. This is where they're the secret police aren't just wearing masks. They're putting on different uniforms. I mean, this is putting on the uniform is so evil.

It's evil. The secret police could not advertise themselves more like police. This narrative is soft. Yeah. I would say. Yeah. I don't, there's not much to it because the, the motive is not strong. Is there a motive killing the chicken man is has to be its own motive.

What else does the chicken man know? Well, Alex, what else do his chickens know? That's the real question. That's the issue. Yeah. Those chickens went into a FEMA camp. Yeah. Why did he fucking keep buying them chickens?

Secrets. Only God knows what goes on in the heart of a chicken. Follow the money. Follow the chicken. So Alex probably would say that this is like trying to get people used to the idea of police killing you. I don't know. Like done.

Yeah. We're way past that dude. Yeah. We don't need to do. And then he's bringing in this idea. Maybe you should listen to fucking hip hop. Right. And you'd know why people are angry about it.

The other thing is he's trying to bring in this idea that these soldiers, the military is impersonating police because that would breach Posse Commitatus, which is nothing better than a an obscure law that has a Latin name already. I'm like, it is real. I mean, it is the law that the act, I guess, that says that except by act of Congress, the military is not allowed to operate in police acts. Of course. Again, that's the cross the Rubicon rule, but also it's not because there is the stipulation

except by an act of Congress. We're going to get to that later. Right. But anyway, Alex is he tries to spin this narrative that like the Malt, the Fulton marshals, they don't know what happened and the sheriff says that they weren't working that day or something like that. He says it's in the paper. It's in mainstream news.

I can find nothing of this. I can't find any of that information. Right. He doesn't provide any backup to any of it. So I have to assume that it's not true. And just a caller told him or something like that, because of course. Yeah. So after this, Alex gets a caller with real information about the chicken man.

This can't go well. Well, let's see how it goes. Okay. Well, you're a police officer. What's your news? Hey, Alex. Good afternoon. Are you enjoying the ranting?

Yeah, I always enjoy a good rant, especially on info wars. I'm originally from Metro Atlanta in Georgia and I worked in law enforcement. It's where I cut my teeth and law enforcement was actually in the Roswell area in Fulton County. And one of the things I want to point out is Fulton County and Metro Atlanta is unique that they have a sheriff's office and a marshals office. Okay. That's what it is.

Yeah. There's actually two different divisions of law enforcement. The sheriff is an elected constitutional official and the marshals is an appointed position from the board of commissioners. The marshals position and his deputy marshals, mainly what they're there for is the movement of inmates from pretrial detention centers to going forward for trial and this sort of thing. If you can imagine when they leave jail and go to the courthouse, the marshals are kind

of the ones who kind of sit and babysit the inmates. Conceivably, you might need those people if you're going to take this guy in who seems resistant to... Yeah. It's a little bit of a stretch. A crazy guy with a shit ton of chickens and pigs. It's a little bit of a stretch, but it doesn't seem that strange. No.

I think I buy this. Okay. I'm good. As they're awaiting their arraignment for court hearings and this sort of thing, it's highly unusual to me that the marshals would be the one doing the civil process on the chicken man and Roswell. Yeah. My issue is we've called all these groups and the papers say everyone denies they did

it. They did not. And then now this fellow called in and he sounded credible and everything he said tumbled into place because I know this goes on and said no brigade homeland raided the house. Throw a little more info towards you, Alex. When your reporters went to what you're calling, it looks like a capillability, Roswell City Hall. You encountered some officers that were not Roswell police officers proper.

What they actually are are municipal complex police officers. They work for City Hall. They do not work for the police department. If you can imagine, they're kind of trumped up bailiff. So when Alex Jones sent his crack team of reporters down there to City Hall, they talked to bailiffs basically who look like cops. And they said we weren't involved and that spiraled out of control into like the police say they weren't involved.

That's my guess based on everything I know about Alex Jones and his quote unquote due diligence. Right. Right. But you won't go along with me and my story about the white dude getting beat up. I get it. You're allowed to speculate. I'm not.

I think I'm coming from informed position. I think I am too. And you were trying to start a race war. I was not trying to start a race war. Jordan Holmes. A race pin. A race war has already been going on. We've just been winning it too well.

So before we get too deep into that, because by which I mean white people, not you and me, Dan. Right. I don't want to get into that because we have something really important to do. Okay. So we have two more clips from the May 2nd episode. Yeah. So I'm going to put on the May 3rd and I'm going to put on my policy wonk hat.

Okay. Because I'm going to talk deep. Now we're going to dig into it. I'm talking deep about policy. Oh boy. And how stupid Alex is. All right. But first.

Well, you give the listeners a warning so they can just pause it. Turn it off. Yeah. But before we do that, the end of the show on May 2nd is exactly what I was talking about of Alex seeming trapped in the studio. He knows that the Bilderberg conference is coming up. It is in Virginia. And so what he does to fill the last, I'd say half hour of his show is try and book

reservations at the Marriott. Wait. It's great. It's so good. He does that. He does his own travel agenting on air. Yeah. And actually I don't have a clip of it, but John bound, the guy who only appears in those

terrible voiceovered reports, he's actually in studio. You don't see his face, but you hear him over the mic just talking to Alex and it's very creepy. That is weird. It's very weird that he says, oh shit. Does he still sound the same as he does in the voiceover? He kind of sounds like a stoner, to be honest. Okay.

He kind of sounds like he's high. I'm not entirely sure and I don't want to put that on him, but he does sound terrible. Yeah. So anyway, here's where it begins. Alex trying to get reservations at the Marriott. This can't be real. Because the Bilderberg group, we're 95, well Jim Tucker says 99% sure, I believe him, but we're really finding out early this year how fortuitous that it's coming up May 29th through

June 3rd. His dates are slightly off, but his location is correct. Thanks. And he's will shut the hotel, the hotel down the 29th, it'll really start the next day. And I'm going to be there. It's in the US. I'm going. But we're trying to fair it out info and get them to admit it.

That would be nice. And so we're just going to do this on air right now. All the front desk place. So I want to say this is killer. This is this is kind of long. So please tell me if you want to pause at any point. So are you telling me that what we're about to listen to is Alex Jones both try and set up a reservation while at the same time pumping these people for information about the Bilderberg

group. Yes. All right. It's bad spy work. This is I'm stoked. This is one of my favorite long-form clips. This is great. We got the last time I kind of acted goofy.

We'll see what happens there. I do this stuff too much. Also, this is probably illegal because he didn't tell people that he was recording. Hi, I was inquiring about the event coming up with the Council of Americas the 29th of this month to the 3rd of June. And I'd like to find out exactly when I should arrive for that. What time that starts. You can't get information about the group at the hotel until about three days prior

to their arrival. I'm sorry, ma'am. I can barely hear you. What did you say? We do not have the information of this who is coming in that far out. Okay. Well, can I book a room actually two rooms with the king size beds please from the let me see June, well, no, actually, that'd be May 31st to June 3rd.

Can I book that right now, police? Certainly. Let me give you a reservation. Oh, thank you. You are definitely going to get the reservation. Here we go. And then we'll get back to them. Because I'm sure high quality service.

Your conversation may be recorded. Please see our privacy service at barriott.com to understand how we serve the best information and what are you talking about? That's your mind drift away and the next available representative will be with you shortly. I want to point out they're going to let me not let me book that day. Whether you're traveling on business or leisure, we will make sure you're ready to go. And hang out with David Rockefeller. Busy day over at the Marriott busy day over at info wars, dude.

Fuck you sent me the reservations, which is a big centralized system. This is also, I'd like to say what he's doing instead of talking to Afghan veterans or anybody about what happened with bin Laden. He could be trying to prove his point and steady is doing this, he knows he's making everything up. Why not call Mary? Right. Probably somewhere else.

Oh, you're right. And I say headquarters is down the street. Oh, boy, tell you what, call the pub, call the pub, disconnect this, we'll call back. We need to do this behind the scenes is legwork totally confirm this, but I'll kill two birds with one stone. We'll just start doing everything here on the air, including real reservations. You should. Got a full time.

My son is begging to go. He is nine years old. I think I should take him to Bilderberg. Are you going to give him a king size bed? Also I think that might be what led to his divorce because this is pre divorce. You took our son to Bilderberg. He's a globalist now. Oh, fun story.

Looked up the attendees of the Bilderberg conference and someone who's there every year, Peter Teal. Hmm. Man, that fucking guy. Interesting. Yeah. Let's call Maria and see if he's there. I'm sorry, sir.

You sound a little bit muffled. I don't know if it's my phone system that's on a string and yarn, but our 10 cans. What did you say? This is Wellington. Stop absolutely speaking. What can I help you? Oh, yes, sir. Are you there in the pub right now?

Yeah. Okay, good. Hey, listen, I'd like to know if I could reserve a couple tables for a birthday party for my friend coming up, say the evening of June 1st. Smooth. Okay. You need to talk to our manager and sorry, he can take your reservation. Can you hold the second?

Yes, sir. But I mean, I can still be in there right even though there's that special conference coming up. Okay. I can't tell you because I don't have access to the computer and they can take the computer the everything they pay. He can tell you all details of everything. Great.

I mean, you are there in Chantilly yourself, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Good. Sure. Is there a planner I can talk to? Hold on one second.

Okay. It's off big. Hey, I would, I'd like to see about booking a special party or something in one of your restaurants on June 1st, a birthday party for my friend. Sure. This is Alex Jones and I'd like to have a birthday party for David Rockefeller who's staying there that evening. Uh, well, I mean, it depends on how big an area I could get.

I mean, I know, I guess the Council of America's meeting is going to be there and that's a couple of hundred people. I mean, I, I was thinking I'd bring 10 or 15 and you're looking to do something in the restaurant. Have you been to our property before? Yes, I have. Yes. I was, I was there four years ago in your lovely little English style pub and then there's

also the bigger dining room area. Perfect. Okay. Can I take down your information and have a restaurant manager contact you? This is on air. Sure. Sure. We're in.

So the hotel is, uh, is open. I mean, it's not a closed conference thing because I thought I was coming to a closed conference. Um, I, I will be more than happy to look into that for you. I usually the pub is still open. What was the name of the conference against? I can take that down. It's going to be Council of the Americas.

I'm sure you've heard about the Bilderberg meeting that's coming to town. Oh, you know what? I am actually new. So I apologize. I have not. You have not heard of that? You have not heard of that? I have not.

I've only been here about a week. Have you heard of David Rockefeller? No, I haven't. Have you heard of Henry Kissinger? No. Have you heard of Count Dracula? Yeah. Same person.

Oh, okay. What is the best contact number for you? The best contact number for me is 512. Smart bleepin this out. Oh, they did bleep it out. That's like Larry Nichols. God damn it. Yeah.

Sorry. Slightly more clever. I have my phone up ready to go. You did. He also bleeps out his email address here. And that's RIT. E-R-F. He shows me.

He does. He does. He knows how to use it. Can you transfer me back to reservations? Sure. But can I do reservations there at that hotel so they know what the rooms are like and stuff has to be through the central system? It usually goes through the central system.

Doesn't everything these days? It unfortunately does. They do apologize. Well, that's me. I will absolutely have somebody from the response, all of the people in regard to this event. I hope so. This is a great customer service. I hope she's still there because she is awesome.

Thank you, Lord. Mr. Rockefeller will enjoy it. Thank you. Thank you, Lord. Mr. Rockefeller. You've got to watch the nice ones. Give me an example of some of the numbers you've got in there. Who can we call?

So then, you know... That is exactly what a paranoid schizophrenic would say. You've got to watch the nice ones. You've got to watch out for the nice ones. Right. Someone giving you great service. So they dick around a little bit and then this is when John Bowne comes in and is like, I just called and they said I couldn't have a room.

I just called. Yeah, sure. Sure. I just called out and then we have the final four minutes of the show. As this clip ends, it is the end of the show. So this is a hard end? Yes. Okay.

Alex tries to prank call the Marriott. Jesus! What is happening? He calls back the exact number he called earlier and puts on a voice. Oh no. Now, here's what I told you this pays off. Okay. So this is the end of this clip.

Alex learns an important lesson about not being a dick to people. This is great. I love the arc of it and I apologize that it's another four minutes of Alex on the phone. Go ahead and dial the Builderburg. Let me put on my thirst and howl meets Ted Knight voice. Love it of him. Not good. Good.

Marriott, how may I help you? Yes, ma'am. I'd like to book a room, please. One moment, sir. To ensure high quality service, your conversation may be quite... John, you said this went right through. We can do it quickly this time. ...at Marriott.com to understand how we use and protect information all representatives

of the system of death. That was a fake snicker. Insane fake laugh. So the lesson that Alex is going to learn is how hotel booking works. I think he's already getting a bit of a crash course in it. He gets, like everyone at the Marriott is awesome because he gets another amazing customer service person who is going above and beyond with a dick on the line. Yeah.

With a guy who's clearly doing a fake accent. Listen to this. The guy who deserves a fucking raise. Big time. It's just all... It's all... Oh yes. ...it will be available representative.

It will be available... Place is going to be a giant NSA command base. We know the bridge there. We know it's going to be revised. We've got... I'm still going to have a fucking NSA reunion. Here's something. There's equipment piled on tights everywhere.

Guys with headphones went... They thought I was out of the hotel. I was still sneaking around in there. Oh my gosh. Truth is so much crazier than fiction. Nope. Come on. Come on.

Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. Come on. I mean sometimes.

Not this time. Hello. This is just making a lot of sense. Thank you for calling Marriott Reservations. It's great to see you. Can I help you? Hey, I would like to check in to the West Coast Marriott on the 29th of this month and stay through the 3rd.

And I'd like a... I guess it's only two, three stories of like a high floor and king-sized beds in both rooms. Oh, so you need two rooms. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, ma'am. Have a circumference or anything you're coming in for? No, I just want to play golf nearby.

Okay. And I'm showing that the hotel is totally sold out. What? The hotel is completely filled? The hotel is... Oh, you... Is it the Bilderberg Group? I'm sorry?

Is it the Bilderberg Group coming? I don't know. How can it be completely booked? I'm supposed to tee off with Lord Rockefeller. Well, you know what? You're going to have to get a little bit more pillow with Mr. Rockefeller than... Well, we'll be seeing how to him, don't worry. Okay, because what I have, the closest Marriott I have is this airfax that's for...

So at this point, and throughout, this customer service rep doesn't realize Alex is fucking with her and is trying to help him. She has now been like, well, there's another Marriott six miles away, I can get you a room there. It's not that far. She can still go to the conference. She's going above and beyond in terms of trying to find a resolution for his problem. Right.

And I hope she gets a commission for this one. Which is six miles east. Well, last time I was there in Bilderberg, the NSA had taken over all the major conference rooms they weren't using. Are they already shipping in the equipment right now? I have absolutely no idea. All right. Let me ask you a really serious question.

Do you believe that Osama bin Laden was really killed last year by Obama? I have absolutely no idea, but they say so, so... Well, they say so. They never lie, do they? Well, you never know. Well, ma'am, we really appreciate it. Here. Hey, can I book the 28th?

Can I check in the day before? No. I can't. Oh, I can't even get in the day before. So at this point, Alex is thinking, oh my God, the globalists booked it out even further in advance. Of course. Now let's see what happens.

No. You just double check and see. Oh, they've even booked that now. Okay. I can get this tool done and let's see how many nights I can get you. Oh my gosh. You can get me one night, right? Just the night before?

Let me just double check. I can get two nights. I can get three nights. But I thought it's all sold out if I get in on the 28th. Okay. So what I can do is I can get three nights coming in on the 28th to the 31st. When is it closed for the conference? Are you coming in for a conference?

No, but you were saying that the hotel was sold out then. Well, it is sold out for the five nights, but I can do the 28th, the 29th, and the 30th. Oh wait, I thought it was closed the 29th through the 3rd. It is, but I'm able to... See, I put it in for the five nights, so all those nights were sold out that I wasn't able to get all five nights in a row. Okay, great. Hold on one moment. And that's the end of the show.

And that's the end of the show. Wow. Fucking wow. Alex just doesn't understand that the reason he can't get the room in the first place is because... It's because he booked five nights. Exactly. Sometimes they're booked out on one of those nights and they're like, no, you can't get all five nights. Yeah, hotel is complicated.

The hotel work in terms of juggling rooms and stuff like that. You don't want to have people moving rooms. Of course not. So yeah, he learns at the end of that. I can get three nights, but not five. What an idiot. I am struggling to come to terms with what the fuck has just happened. The whole time he's being such a dick about it, like, oh, these globalists have bought out the hotel.

It's like, no, you're just asking for something they can't give you. What a nice woman. It's amazing. What a nice woman. So spoiler alert. At no point in time, look, after the do you believe Osama was killed line, she could have been like, nah, click. That would have been totally fine. Although you do get in trouble if you hang up on customers.

Yeah. Not if they say fuck or shit to you or if they ask you about Osama bin Laden. And that is post 9 11 world Osama bin Laden truth. Yeah. Click. So that would be God. Now I wish she had just like jumped in with him and been like, no, I don't. I don't believe that.

Let me tell you why. And then she bores him even more than he was boring us. So that like, but that you see, he's really bad on his feet. And so he knows on some level, I'm supposed to be talking about bin Laden. This prank call isn't going well. No, let's ask her what she thinks. Oh, terrible. So that's no idea.

That's the end. They say he died though. So whatever. But she's also like, you never know. It could be. Stop asking me weird questions. Right. A guy who started with a regular voice and then went into a fake voice.

Yeah. And then kind of got back to the regular voice. And then she should have been like, do you think Kennedy's still alive? Oh, totally. And he went to Argentina to hang out with Hitler. Oh, that's possible. Right. So that's the end of the second.

Yes. And we go on to the third and you might expect some of this to carry over some of these things, the chicken man, the Marriott. We could get days out of just the chicken. The chicken man does actually come back up, but there's nothing new about it. He does bring it back up briefly. The Marriott drama does not come back up. No, of course not.

They would, they would prefer if that episode was not, not available. Steve Pachennick and his not being around doesn't come back up. Four stars. Cash being illegal doesn't come back up. It's not. Osama bin Laden doesn't come back up. And you know why that's because he's dead. But you know why?

That's a good theory. There's another reason. I routinely say this is some of the biggest news. This other than 9 11 being in an inside job and what that means that criminals run the government that work with Al Qaeda. Sounds right. That's now out in the open, but we're told that war is over. Move along.

Homeland securities for the American people returning veterans. Hmm. This piece of news confirmed double vetted by Paul Watson because I wanted to believe this wasn't true, but it's on the official gov track sites. So the Marriott's have been closed for a full week. I couldn't get that reservation double checked by Paul Joseph Watson, who is also our travel agent. That's right.

He booked us two flights and then he was like, no, we can't sit together. And I was like, build a bird, build a bird. Um, this is FEMA camp. Shit. Okay. The FM three dash three nine dot 40 has come out this day in, uh, in history. May 3rd, 2012. Is this when we get all of our FEMA camp information?

This is where it all becomes very real to Alex. Oh no. And we'll discuss, uh, that document, uh, here in a minute, but on the way there, Alex Jones brings up a bunch of building blocks for his argument that FEMA camps are coming. Uh-huh. And throughout this clip, I'm going to pause it after each one and debunk each one. Jesus dad. This is going to be, uh, me running the gauntlet.

I appreciate your thoroughness. I'm so excited about this. He's so stupid. I know. I can see that. It was first leaked. Now it's hidden in plain view. This is so big.

Now we already know this. We already knew this. I've been to the urban warfare drills. I'd already observed it. I didn't need the government and media to tell me what I already knew. And I had the John Warner Defense Authorization Act. So the John Warner, that's called corroboration, Alex. You do need people to confirm the things.

So the John Warner Defense Authorization Act is in 2007. JWDA. Uh, it was actually largely pushed through by Republican support in the, uh, in the Senate. We have a list here of all the actual votes. The only Republican to actually vote against it is, uh, Rand Paul, which I guess Alex would be pretty thrilled with. I think it'd feel, feel pretty awesome about like, yeah, my guy voted against this thing.

Uh, but Jeff Sessions voted for it. So that's interesting. Uh, if you go through, you just see, like it's, it's, it's mostly Pence, Mike Pence voted for it. So a lot of the people who are now in Trump's circle, uh, uh, are all people who are in favor of it. All of the nays were Democrats with the exception of, uh, uh, Rand Paul. They had people like Conyers, they had people like Dennis Kucinich.

Uh, Man, when was Kucinich around? Those are the glory days. Yeah, exactly. So it was in 2007. Um, it, uh, the reason that everyone was concerned about it, I'm not sure if everyone was concerned about it, but the reason that Alex takes exception with it is because inside this national defense authorization bill, uh, you know, it has a bunch of the, I read all this shit.

I'm very excited. I, uh, do you want to just do a lightning round? I can't cause some of it's kind of complicated and that's where the wonk comes in. All right. So, uh, it's basically an appropriations bill for funding for the year to, uh, the fiscal year 2007, but it buried in it, uh, was an amendment to the insurrection act, uh, which is, uh, you know, uh, governing the rules of what is an insurrection, where can the federal government step in?

Oh. So it, uh, basically would make it easier for the president to send in military troops in the case of a terrorist attack, an outbreak of some sort, or some situation that I believe the language specifically is the president deems that it's uncontrollable by local authorities, local or state authorities, the federal government can step in. In the case of an outbreak, natural disaster, terrorist attack, it just changed the language of the bill, but that is still, it, it, it is murky. You know, it, Alex believed that it violates posicomintatus, which it doesn't cause it's

an act of Congress and posicomintatus says that except by an act of Congress, uh, the military cannot act in law enforcement capabilities. This is an act of Congress, doesn't violate posicomintatus. So, you know, it violates the spirit of posicomintatus. It's very, it very may well, but cause posicomintatus really was always about common commenting on those posies, you know what I'm saying? And grilling with your boys. You know how, you know how at the old job site, they're always commentating on them

posies? Absolutely. Oh man. Look at that posi walking by. So you are maybe iffy on posicomintatus being broken. I say it's not. No, of course it's not. Here's why it doesn't matter.

And Alex is a liar. So many reasons. So this was 2007 for the fiscal year 2008. Uh, and it doesn't matter because the 2008 defense authorization bill entirely repealed the changes to the insurrection act. If you look into it, of course, of course, you look into it the next year, they're like, fuck that. That was a terrible idea.

We're going to move on. And Obama didn't in any way, like violate posicomintatus. He didn't act in some way as to declare an insurrection or anybody did not have any interest in it. And whenever they could, they were like, fuck this. Yeah. But yeah, the next time that the bill came up, it was discussed and they're like, let's get rid of that.

Right. And this episode sessions votes for, we got to change this episode is in 2012. This is, he was completely or years after it doesn't matter anymore. Exactly. Gotcha. So he's completely lying about that. Just completely made up bullshit. The NDAA.

That's the same thing. That's what he's talking about. The enemy commissions act, the NCAA, the enemy commissions act is not a real thing. Oh man. Lightning round it is. Nice. Yeah. The enemy commissions act is not a real thing.

What he's talking about is the military commissions act, which is an act of 2006. The act, the military commissions act, also known as the MCA, it waived habeas corpus rights to non-citizens detained as enemy combatants. Many people believed that the wording was too vague and in effect what it could do is allow military tribunals to waive habeas corpus rights to citizens. Although if you actually read the wording of the bill, it says specifically aliens. And if you want to, you know, that could be raptors. It's unclear.

I have no opinion whatsoever. I think if you are born on American soil, regardless of species. So a lot of people were still upset about this and the ACLU was also on board being against it, that the rule was too vague and it needed to be looked into. So someone brought suit and it made it all the way to the Supreme Court. In a 2008 ruling, Boumedien versus Bush, the Supreme Court ruled that the MCA was unconstitutional and would restrict detainees, habeas corpus rights, and the right to appear in a federal court.

We did it! Even in the context of non-citizens, they deemed that that was unconstitutional. The necessary changes, which is why they're kept in Cuba and Guantanamo Bay. Yeah. So there are still problems. But it's not this, not the enemy combatants or the military commissions act that he's talking about. Because they don't exist.

Right. The necessary changes that were requested about the habeas corpus rules that were deemed unconstitutional by the Supreme Court were made in the Military Commission Act of 2009, three years before the episode that we're listening to now. And they affirmed that all detainees had access to U.S. federal courts to challenge their detention. Unless they were in Cuba, in Guantanamo Bay. Right.

And that's the other thing. We still haven't closed Guantanamo Bay? Right. Well, the other thing is that a lot of these things are probably to save face more than they are to detain white militia types. They're more to avoid having to deal with the... They're more to allow themselves to detain non-white everybody. So again, I want to go back to the NDAA, because you mentioned that after the John Warner

Defense Authorization Bill. Right. That is... They're sort of intertwined, but I want to give Alex a little bit of credit. Because there was also an NDAA that passed in the end of 2011 for the year 2012. Which brought the rule changes back? No. No.

The issue that people bring up with the NDAA of 2012 is that it brought up the question of indefinite detention of enemy combatants. Right. So it's a scary idea. But most legal scholars who have chimed in on the matter have made the case that based on the wording of the act, it doesn't... The NDAA does not in any way amend the powers that already existed due to the Authorization of Military Force Act that was launched at the beginning of the Iraq War.

Right. So the indefinite detention aspect of it is not real, because within the Authorization of Military Force Act, which governs this NDAA, it's not indefinite detention. The authority to detain ends with the cessation of hostilities. So whenever the war is over, detention must end. Which is why it is never going to be over. Right. That's the other problem.

There we go. But if we want to take what the actual problem is, it's the idea of having a war against an ideology or some sort of nebulous concept, as opposed to the idea that if you're at war with, let's say, Sweden and you detain Swedes until the end of the war, that's what the NDAA and the Authorization of Military Force Act allows. Right. That's reasonable. And so the rule in the NDAA is overridden by the MCA.

Well, and it reflects the Authorization of Military Force. Gotcha. So it's not actually some sort of thing that's in any way making things worse, expanding powers or anything like that. So you're saying it ain't no thing but a chicken man. Exactly. All of it. The Model States Health Emergency Powers Act.

All right. Lightning round. So the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, Jordan, this one, this one's real fun. All right. This one isn't a real act. Here we go. So this was not a bill. It was a suggestion of a bill.

It was written by Lawrence Gostin, who is the Director of the Center of Law and Public Health at Georgetown University in association with Johns Hopkins and the CDC. It was written right after the anthrax scare after 9-11. Right. And so it was written when we were all so shiny and bright and young. People realized that we needed a systematic plan in order to deal with the potential bio attack, especially in the case of like a contagious disease. Smart.

That could become a plague, like if someone were to weaponize Ebola or something like that. You could end up with a complete disaster on there. Or the movie outbreak. Right. And so this Lawrence Gostin realized the situation that could be ahead of us. And so he wrote up a mock bill. The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act is not about a model or ideal state. It's a model act.

Right. It is in the, if you look at it, because you can find it, it's available online. It says, Phil Senators name here, it's a form of a bill. Right. And there are a number of states that have now implemented it or have brought it through and implemented bills that are similar to it. Smart. But they just use it as sort of a framework and they make their own changes that need

to be made state by state basis. Yeah. And it's not a federal thing. Every state has the right, or not even the right, they can decide to introduce it and pass it or not. Alex should be thrilled with it. It's a state's rights thing. It's not federal.

Alex has never seen Schoolhouse Rock. It's not a federal power grab and it's not evil. But even that part of the song is not like, I'm definitely not a bill, I'm a model fucking bill. Leave me alone. I'm an idea. So the issue with that though is that it is not like this Lawrence Gostin, the way he wrote it was kind of a short sighted.

And the ACLU was quoted as saying that the bill is written in a way that doesn't adequately protect citizens against the misuse of tremendous powers that it could grant in an emergency. That's smart. Right. And so generally when these states have implemented it or introduced it, there are, there are much more controls. But that is not found in the model form of it. So Alex is just misleading people again.

Let's get to the next one. So the guy, so Lawrence wrote it with the idea of like people will only use this for good and he didn't put the protections in there because he never considered. Yeah. He didn't consider for a moment that it would be used for evil. Right. He was like, we're doing this to protect people. Gotcha.

The emergency centers establishment act. Lighting round. The emergency standards establishment act is also known as HR 645. This is legitimately just a plan for the office of homeland security to establish regional refugee camps in recognition that there could be a natural disaster or attack and there may be a need to assist displaced people. Yeah. These are built generally on quote closed military.

I think it's closed is the way they put it. Military installations whenever possible because the land is already owned by the government and there will always be, there's already substantial infrastructure on these military bases. There's already permanent structures built and they're closed military bases that aren't being used for anything else. Yeah. Plus generally military installations are built in relatively safe places in terms of

flooding in terms of that stuff. So it would be an ideal place to take displaced people when there's already a flood. Let's say it would be perfect for that. So Alex makes a big deal out of it. It's not. It's nothing. It's not the entire bill. It's like four pages long and it's not at all scary.

But Alex just wants to scare people by naming a bunch of bills that don't say what he thinks it says. Like the civilian and mate labor camp program. So this one might be real. Oh, okay. This isn't good. No. This one.

I didn't like hearing you say this might be real. This one might be real. Oh boy. I've looked into it a little bit and from everything I can tell that there are, look here's the fucking bottom line. We have private prisons. We have for-profit prisons in this country. So until Alex wants to start talking about that a little bit more, I don't really care

about the inmate labor camp. Well, I mean the situation with the wildfire right now, we have inmates who are fighting this fire for 20 cents an hour or whatever it is. We're literally using slaves to fight fire for us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an issue. No, that's a big issue. No, it's a huge issue.

And you can see that in so many instances of where they have people doing this, essentially slave labor. Oh yeah. And we have- Well, I mean Hillary Clinton and Bill at the time where they were in the Arkansas Governor's House, they had basically slave labor there. Absolutely. Absolutely.

We have found a back route into re-legalizing slavery through our private for-profit prison industry. It's a good thing that we have the most prisoners in the entire world. Yeah. That's a good idea because we need slave labor. Right. So Alex conveniently- Fuck America, by the way.

Not conveniently, but he leaves off something that he brings up all the time, which I actually think is kind of strange, but there's a thing called Rex 84 that he often brings up when it comes to the idea of these FEMA camps and he's bringing together of oppressive, oppressiveness on populations. I'm just going to read this here about Rex 84. Readiness Exercise 1984, Rex 84 for short, was a scenario and drill created under the Reagan administration by Oliver North and the FEMA Deputy Director John Brinkerhoff. Throughout the Reagan administration, the black ops of the U.S. military and intelligence

agencies effectively ran wild, especially in Latin America, where Reagan's aggressive intervention many times verged on intentional genocide by right-wing death squads with CIA backing. In this violent environment, the scenario described in Rex 84 is rather disturbing. It called for the rounding up of and preemptive detention of human rights and anti-war activists as well as Latino immigrants. The ironic part about Rex 84, which many wing nuts seem not to grasp, is that the program was targeted against civil rights groups, anti-war groups, organized labor, immigrants

and minority communities in support of hegemonic capitalist right-wing American business interests. FEMA camps are not, as conspiracy theorists would have some grand plot against conservative American patriots. Rather, the only administration to seriously consider interning dissidents was planning on doing so against the sorts of left-wing activists that the American far-right despised the most. Who would have guessed? That was from Rational Wiki.

Very strange. They have some citations and that is actually, that's very accurate. Can't imagine any kind of situation where that would be misused. No. Jesus fucking Christ. So there we have in this clip so far. They're making it legal to do what Hoover did. But that was back in Reagan's time.

Yeah, exactly. That plan didn't go into effect, thankfully. But we have the John Warner Defense Authorization Bill, NDAA, Military Commissions Act, Model State Emergency Powers Act, Emergency Centers Establishment Act and maybe the inmate labor camp. Racist at best. So we have five out of the six that he mentioned that are completely bogus and he's misrepresenting and lying to his audience about two of them specifically were overruled the next year.

And he knows that. He has to know that. Does he? Well, no, when I say he has to know that, I mean, this is his job. He has to know this. Oh, okay. That's a way better way of putting it. Right.

I'm guessing he's probably dumb and doesn't know it. Of course. But he needs to know this. Yeah. It's important because he's riling up militia people. He's riling up like fucking weirdo anti-Semites and racists who think that they're going into a camp when he's lying about every single piece of the way. So anyway, let's finish this clip.

The mass of ramping up the last few years for internment specialist domestically, those public ads forgot another lightning round. Oh, no. I thought we had made it through. Nope. So, so Alex says that they're ramping up the hiring of internment specialists. And the only thing that he has to back this up is that they had a posting on go army, go army.com in the careers and jobs section for internment resettlement specialists.

And when you look into it, if you Google it at all, you end up finding like blogs like this one, Renew America, that FEMA camp seeking contractors and personnel to staff and confine. Here's the first thing this article says, caution. This is an exercise in ongoing citizen research and journalism. Consider yourself inside the news office. Summers reports, Verity is assured with others further corroboration or refutation must be done. Consider yourself also in the war room.

Suppositions and suspicious suspicions must also be considered and plans, preparations and executions thereof made. So basically just a wing nut and none of this is real. Yeah. He's saying up top in the article that he wrote a warning. I don't know about this. I don't know a goddamn thing, but imagine it was true. Let's put a plan in place together just in case.

Also one of these, one of the authors on this Renew America site where this article is posted is Larry Klayman, who we know as the crazy lawyer. Yeah. He was involved in the Dennis Montgomery bullshit. Oh yeah. Larry Klayman. Where are you been? And if you scroll down, you find links to places like the SHTF plan.com, which is the

shit hits the fan plan.com, which is a preparedness website where is covered with gold and silver sales ads. It is just completely covered, but there's one ad on it that I think is very special. Hydragons. Big Berkey. Oh, big Berkey. Big Berkey makes a comeback. Oh, come on, man.

Yeah. They haven't. Where are your imaginary pants? They, uh, no, that's gusset. That's gusset. Oh, that's gusset. God damn it. Berkey was the, uh, the water people.

That's right. Yeah. That Alex dropped like a hot potato. Big Berkey. Yeah. So that, like, I don't think that they, there's any evidence that I can find that they were ramping up any of that. There just was a posting for an internment specialist and that's reasonable because there

are internment positions, uh, in ongoing theaters. A lot of, well, not just that, but that would be valuable for any number of refugee camps. Oh, sure. And even in, uh, in the United States, uh, whenever there are like Katrina, people in the super dome and stuff like that. Absolutely. Uh, so anyway, I'm getting big chills right now. This morning when Watson sent me this document and we went and checked confirmed and checked

it in the army registry that it is indeed a document that was marked classified and has now been leaked. It was never marked classified. And that it's on major GovTrack sites and contractor sites and is confirmed and ties in with the other, uh, FM three dash three nine point 40 449, nine or six, four. He says, he says FM, he says that the document that he's talking about the biggest news in the world ties in with three, uh, dot three nine dash 40, uh, it is that there isn't a second document.

This is the exact same. It's the same thing. Yeah. All right. It's just absolute confirmation. Could you call Mary? I was really starting to enjoy you get a witness that says they got out of a basement and that the guy was burying little kids in there and you go, you get a warrant, you catch the

guy when he's walking out his front door, you put him in handcuffs, you call in the specialist, you go in, you pull up the floorboards in the basement. There's a bunch of dead kids in there. That's what this is. We just took the floorboards up, man, and it's there cry. What does this say? It says we better beat these people and take this country back. Yeah.

So, I mean, he's already there in that narrative, but that's not a surprise. He wants to keep dead kids in his basement. Like the more he describes that the more it gets closer and closer to him, like making a plan, right? You know? I don't disagree. It does get vivid at times, but I want to take a step back and just really stretch my shoulders out.

Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop. Daddy Shark. Yeah. I feel pretty good about that research. I read a lot of documents. Could you be a little bit more pleased with yourself, Dan? I can't. I can't.

You can't be? I will be in a minute, actually. Okay. This next clip is, I would actually, I would like to send this clip to Alanis Morissette because I think this clip is the definition of irony. It might actually be ironic. I've worked in, oh yeah. Okay.

This is crazy ironic. I've worked in radio stations. I've been in 590 as a guest when they bring in a PSYOP officer with a book he's published about how great AFU Houston is and the guy confronts me in the hole with his eyes twinkling. You know, getting off on the fact that he's a secret agent. How did he not know? I just said, man, you're a traitor. How did he not know?

And he was in there running PSYOP saying, this is like five years ago, that, well, Grockheimer says that we kill men, women and children, but, and then in the hall trying to, trying to intimidate me. So I just blew up at the guy and told him he was a traitor. I mean, just because, I want to say something, just because you've been brought into this as a senior police officer or military officer or bureaucrat or contractor, you're being fed PSYOPs and lies as well. Your future is being destroyed.

Interesting. Alex. That's amazing. Alex. That's so crazy. Alex, write that down. Yeah. Step by step.

What happened? And then write Steve Pachennick in there and you're like, Oh, fuck. From our 2015 investigation, we've seen how Steve Pachennick is running a crazy con on Alex. Yeah. And like exactly what he's saying there is what happened to him exactly what happened to him. It's crazy.

He's so gullible. Isn't that gorgeous though? The people who think that they're immune to con men are always the ones who go buy it, hook, line and sinker. We're going to get to Alex saying something very similar here in a minute before we do Alex has one more bullshit piece of I still think he gave that Nigerian Prince all this month. Oh yeah.

Yeah. Absolutely. And met him at a bar and did it again. Yeah. He's my friend. Yeah. So anyway, Alex has one more bullshit piece of evidence of the FEMA camp stuff. They admit they they're going to use troops from 15 nations during civil emergencies to

deal with insurrection and terrorist in le09 FEMA.gov type it in in le09 FEMA.gov you'll read it. Giddy up. I mean, this is so hardcore the master plan to use us against each other to kill each other. So what do you think about that? I mean, if that is your master plan, it seems like it would be messy. There are like more effective ways to do it. There are cheaper ways to do it, I assume, than organizing a mass war against internal

forces. Yeah. But do you think Alex is telling truth about this and le09 and le09 you can type it into the website. Of course, he's telling the truth. If I can research it, which I won't, but I can. That means he must be telling the truth. I did.

Oh, you should not have done that. I Googled it. Oh, you can't Google that. And what you find you have to go to the website. One of the things right, this is actually dhs.gov. One of the things you find is a press release dated July 24th, 2009, three years before Alex's episode we're listening to right now. And it's straight up from the Homeland Security website says for immediate release.

This is a press release that they put out the Department of Homeland Security will launch on Monday, the five day national level exercise 2009 and le09 the first national level exercise to focus on terrorism prevention in conjunction with federal state, local, tribal, private sector and international partners. Quote, coordinating with our partners across the United States and around the world is critical to protecting the nation from terrorist attacks as Secretary Janet Napolitano. The national level exercise allows us to test our capabilities in real time to confine and strengthen our strategies for preventing terrorist attacks.

This is something that had been going on for a number of years. It's it had a different name before that, but this is just a joint exercise that's done. It doesn't always involve foreign countries and it's not 15 countries. International partner nations will include Australia, Canada, Mexico and the United Kingdom. The Navajo Nation will also participate. Okay.

Yeah. And and what it is seems pretty straightforward. What it is is just training exercises. As I understand it, they come up with a scenario and they have them run through the scenario and how they would coordinate with each other. And yeah, it's important. They're wargames like like in real life wargames as opposed to us. It's like what the idea behind Jade Helm was that like you can't train in Iraq, you know,

you can't do that there. It's not a great idea. No. And it's not going to get yourself killed. It's not for targeting civilians. Starship troopers. Come on. You train on your own turf, you know, to get better at doing things elsewhere or even to

get better at doing things here because terrorists do exist here. So this is bullshit. There aren't 15 nations. I can find no evidence of that anywhere. I see four plus the Navajo Nation, which, which would the other 10 be all the access of evil? Okay. All of them.

Wait. Iran, new access of evil or old access of evil? No, this is 2009. So, so Germany, Italy, oh boy, uh, wait, Japan. Access powers. Wait. No, what? Access powers.

Well, maybe actually. Actually, yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Along with France, Spain and why not Luxembourg? They got a huge terrorism issue. What a different 60 years makes absolutely. So Alex loop on the third is stealing shit and they got to have some inner pole working

on that. Alex is reading. He hasn't read this loop on the third. Alex has not read this FM three dash three nine dot 40. I know that to be the case because it's long. It's very long. See, that was, that was all I needed to know. It's hundreds of pages.

All I needed to know. Absolutely. Didn't read it. Of course not. But here he gets lost in a fantasy. He didn't even make it all the way through the Hobbit. The Hobbit, Dan. That's not even Lord of the Rings.

We're talking about the Hobbit is a fun adventure story. You should be able to get through that in the evening. He read the chapter titles. Yeah. That's the headline of a novel. So, but here chapter titles, the headline of the novel, it's certainly true in around the world in 80 days. There's a long ass titles, which past part two finds, I'm a big fan of that.

Tighten it up. I loved the chapter titles from a blood meridian by Cormac McCarthy, which was just a short synopsis of the, you would read the chapter titles and be like, I got it. The judge is fucked up. All right. In this clip, Alex, the judge is the devil. We get it. McCarthy.

That's one of the synopsis. You've got one theme. Let's go. So in this next clip, Alex fantasizes about being tortured. Once the detainees have been processed into the internment camp, the manual explains how they will be reeducated with particular focus on targetting political dissenters like left wing dissenters. Well, that was an expression support for US policy.

The reeducation process is the responsibility of the psychological operations officer, also known as a trader against America. I should add whose job it is to design shy off products that are designed to pacify and acclimate detainees or DCs, as they're called to accept us or IR facility authority regulations. That's you in ladies and gentlemen, according to the document, that's a quote. The manual lists the following roles that are designed to the Siob team, identifies malcontents, trained adjuditators and political leaders from the facility. Oh yeah.

Oh yeah. And it turned me over to the ad. Oh yeah. I'm sorry. Yeah. Well, good luck. Good luck. I promise the coward torturers will sit back while troops are dying, bringing people into

these pigs. I'll blow up all of my pigs. Yeah. So I wouldn't never touch them chickens though. Fm. I love those chickens. Fm. I'm the chicken Alex.

Fm. Yes. Let's see if you can do it again. 3-39.40 is a field manual for operations in internment in foreign theaters. It talks about host nations repeatedly and what these conspiracy theorists, such as Alex and hundreds of other websites that you can find if you Google it, they misrepresent something that's very important. There are a couple passages about operations in the United States.

Yeah, we've talked a little bit about that before. Right. I'm going to talk about it a little bit more. Okay. Just because it is what this episode is about. It's part of the lightning round. This isn't lightning. This is thunder.

This is the aftermath. Oh man. So. All right, Dan. They talk about how. You poetic son of a bitch. They have to change operations from what they would do in a foreign theater in the case of domestic operations, including the operations that they might use this in or operations

that address consequences of natural or man made disasters, accidents, terrorist attacks or incidents in the United States and its territories. That makes complete sense. That is something that you would need because otherwise you're going to have mass chaos. And what they do, these conspiracy theorists is they conflate the most of the guidebook and the couple passages about domestic operation. They don't realize that all of the stuff about psyops, about finding malcontents and all that stuff is stuff that is very, very germane to foreign wars.

There are tons of generals who have gone on record and said, I wish that we'd had this when I was, when I was in this, when I was in the shit, basically all it is is a reflection of lessons learned from Vietnam and Cambodia. Those times, we had instances, like all of them, when they tried to detain people, you had political dissenters in there and there is a better way to deal with them. Then violence, which was the only strategy back then. Yeah, absolutely. I don't understand why it is, why are we even trying with conspiracy theorists?

Why are we? No, no, no. I mean, anytime they talk about bills or anything like that and the conspiracy, it doesn't matter. They're going to find a way. The only way to not deal with conspiracy theorists is if you don't publish this information, which you should, but if you don't publish it, that means the conspiracy theorists are going to be like, what are they hiding from us?

Or if it gets found, then it's like you're trying to hide this from us. What we need to accept is that conspiracy theorists on this level are just like hoarders. These are people with serious depression or something along those lines. Well, not all of them. I'm not saying all of them in the same way that not all hoarders are people with serious depression. Some people have a great collection. Right.

But it's very similar. No, it is. Actually, I want to get, let me get through this document and then I want to get back to what you're talking about because I think there's an important point that we need to make. Okay. So I'm reading this from a foreign policy article and that's FM-389-390.69. That's what we're going to do.

Nice. At the beginning of the Iraq war and even through the 2008 surge, there were few guidelines and regulations to help soldiers conduct these massive detention operations, according to a former military officer who conducted detainee operations in internment facilities in Iraq. Quote, I would have loved to have this field manual five years ago, he said. The vast majority of guidance in the manual is intended for use in foreign theaters, he said, noting that only a handful of paragraphs from the 326-page manual address domestic operations of any kind.

An army spokesman speaking on background said, the current spate of online postings had taken passages from the manual significantly out of context, conflating wartime operational guidance such as psychological operations with peacetime operations in which a limited number of the manual's principles would be applied on US soil in exceptional cases such as the relief efforts after Hurricane Katrina. Now granted, the Hurricane Katrina, there was some bungling and what have you. Oh, was there? Absolutely.

This last paragraph in here I think is the most salient one, I think it will lead us to what I wanted to get to with your point. Yes. And that is, radicalization is driven in large part by victimization narratives, whether it's fear of big brother watching, big banks looting, big government seizing one's guns, or a big global war on Islam. A document like FM3-39.40 is read as confirming the worst fears of an unusually wide spectrum of political dissenters, radicals, and would-be violent extremists from the right, left, and

other. Gasoline meat match. So radicalization is driven in a large part by victimization narratives is really the most important piece there and that is what you experience every day listening to Alex Jones. Yeah. Now I want to, I want, here's the point that I wanted to bring up. I don't think the questioning the government or being skeptical is at all unhealthy and

I don't think that's what you were saying. Absolutely not. I am getting a load of, like Alex says this frequently, that conspiracy theory, especially Roger Stone and him been bringing this up because the JFK files are coming out and stuff like that. Right. Although the ones that were most important did not come out. No.

Which is like, what a cock tease the American government is. Well, it might come out in 180 days. Nah. Nah. But I've heard Alex make this point. I've heard Roger Stone make this point and then on the supposed left, I've heard Jimmy Doar make this point on Twitter. The idea that conspiracy theorist was a term popularized by the government and the CIA

after the JFK assassination to tar and feather all the people who had questions about it and make them look like crazy people. Maybe you guys made yourselves look like crazy people. Well, that's possible. But also if you look into it, if you do a deep dive on it, you will find that the term conspiracy theorist has had the exact same connotation that it has currently dating back to the mid to late 1800s. Of course.

There are instances of it being used in the exact same slightly pejorative or slightly dismissive way, dating back over 150 years. It's nonsense. This idea that the government was like, hey, we're going to use this term and it's going to catch on like wildfire. But is anything more appropriate than conspiracy theorists thinking that conspiracy theorist is a conspiracy bingo and fantastic and it perpetuates victimization narratives, which fuel radicalization.

Absolutely. And that's what we're experiencing in the world today and that's why Trump is our president. But you know, the one thing that it is, what should be taken away from that is the things that were listed are all things like I don't like the government isn't coming to take your guns, that kind of a thing, but they are going to make you not be able to get an abortion. Yeah. Fucking Christ.

So yeah. No, but my point being, the things that they did describe are what radicalizes people and they're things that the government has done to us, right? And that is why we are radicalized like fear of the big banks taking your money. They are right. They absolutely are right. Maybe they should stop that and we wouldn't be afraid of that, right? You could, you could conceivably, now this is crazy, Dan, right?

You could make that go away. Foreign policy did not do the best job of coming up with examples, right? And I'm, I would be or into eternal war against an ideology that's going to radicalize people. And dude, I'm entirely remiss in, if I don't point out that like a lot of the things that conspiracy theorists are conspiracy theorizing about are things that, you know, like there's some history to people doing that, like false flag narratives have a root in reality. Right. But that stuff that happened 60, 70 years ago, right?

Like a lot of the instances that they give are like the Gulf of Tonkin and stuff like that. That's a long time in the past. They have to scramble to turn current events into false flags in order to be like they're still doing it. Of course. And when you do that, when you have that mentality, you end up saying things like Sandy Hook is fake.

By the way, Alex Jones, the other day said Sandy Hook was fake in 2017. He said Sandy Hook was fake. You got to give the man credit for going back on it. Absolutely. You know why? Cause he probably heard Steve Pachennik say that someone scared him out of believing and he's like, fuck you, Pachennik. Of course.

Right. He got caught. Of course. He got cucked out by Steve Pachennik. And also who's going to stop him? Right. Who gives a shit? And it's not like we're literally the only people who are like, you need to stop this

guy or at least of all the crime or at least like we need to pay attention to him and that will stop him. Yeah. Not like, not like kill him, not like take him off the air or anything, but pay attention to the things he's actually saying or how much damage he's causing. And if he's doing something that he should be arrested for, which he has, arrest him. Right. Or the thing where you arrest him being an accessory to Larry Nichols, blackmailing Congress

and Mueller. Just a whole fucking. Speaking of which, now that those charges are coming down, yeah, we got to call Larry back. Oh, but we're recording. I don't want to do that. I don't either. We're recording this on Sunday and the, so we don't know who the indictments are for.

Also we're recording this on Sunday, so we don't know what Roger Stone's response is going to be to being kicked off Twitter. That'll come in a few years. He hasn't tweeted about it yet. No, actually he did. Of course. He tweeted from his bring me Roger Stone documentary Twitter. Okay.

Yeah. So would be very nice. Someone tweeted at like support or whatever that Roger Stone is tweeting from. He's moved over to his other account. Yeah. And he wrote back. I've always been here. Slap.

Which I love. You've got to give you got to give him style points at least called him slap. Dick slap. Dick is solid. Makes me think of Jeff Jarrett. Pro wrestler. Jeff Jarrett used to call people slap nuts, which I loved many hit people with a guitar filled with cocaine.

Like Elkabong. Yeah. Basically. Okay. But it was filled with cocaine. How do we know what Elkabongs? Well, it did explode every time. So let's move on to this next step.

We got a couple left. I think we've done a pretty good job of debunking a lot of this. I think you crushed it. A lot of these narratives are in the lightning round. You got five for six. My friend. Well, and six to six. I was even like, I don't know.

Yeah. It looks like it. It could be real. You would absolutely have won on the few six. You would have won on the feud for sure. What about on the $25,000 pyramid? Top five answers on the board. All of them are false hot dog.

So let's get into this. In this next clip, we get a further extension of the mythology of Alex Jones' father, the CIA dentist. Okay. Some of us aren't going to make it through this, but that is not what matters. Great. Freedom and dignity and honor and innocence. Every time I look at my children, other people's children, how innocent and good they are,

I realize that we just absolutely should be honored to fight this tyranny and should not be afraid at any level. The only fear you need to have is of not while you're alive this one time, stand it up against these people in this test, but this is so real. Fake crying again. And again, it's accelerated. It's built to a fever crescendo. My father was approached by a patient of 10 years who revealed to him he was a homeland

security spy and wanted him to spy on his patients. Why? My dad played along with it to discover more and found that it was real, called the card number, all of it, and then went to talk to the dentist at work under him and they had all been visited at their homes. Okay. My other homeland security. Okay.

Ladies and gentlemen, the average person gets approached by this and gets on a power trip. If you're out there listening and think you're special, a preacher, a doctor, a lawyer, a government person, an infregard court person, you think you're special. You're always told that you're known as a dupe, useful idiot, moron, okay? And the type of people, you know, my dad said that this person, you know, is very narcissistic, very weak. He said the homeland security people he talked to were the same way. Well, yeah, we're firing an army of just scum.

I mean, these people are filth, but they've got our military working for them. So what are they going to do when most of the military is awake? They're going to have stunts. They'll blow up Chicago with a nuke or they'll attack a bunch of bases with rogue groups and put patsies on TV and then say we attacked the military. Five years later, I can confirm Chicago is still here. Is it? Yeah, it's still here.

Okay. And also, I think at the end there... Because I don't want that to happen, Dave. I don't either. At the end there, he's doing a really good job of sort of preemptively contextualizing any white supremacist militia attack as globalists trying to pin an attack on them. Of course. It's perfect.

So anyway, that's dumb. But I can't hang with this narrative about his dad. And here's why. Just one reason? Well, I mean, the one big one is, come on, but then the more specific... That's a solid reason. The more specific... Occam's razor would suggest that, come on, is the correct reason.

I have two really big points. The first is, why are they trying to get all these dentists? Who's going to the... We don't know what his patient base is. That's true. But still. He said that they were trying to get a bunch of other dentists. Well, if one of his patients is a DHS spy...

For 10 years. For 10 years, right? Right. So, who else is going there? I assume there are FBI spies going to him? Russian agents going to him? At that point, are they all spying on... Dennis Whalen, drug dealers?

Are they all spying on Alex's dad? Who isn't. Right, at this point. Yeah. So here's the other problem. If we are to believe the things that Alex says about his dad, the globalists tried to get him when he was like 16, and he rebuffed their advances. So then he grows up and he becomes a dentist, and the globalists try to get him again,

knowing that they're fishing in a dry well. This guy has already said absolutely not to your genocidal plans. Not only that, they're fishing in the dentist's well. Right. He's a dentist. No, this is the jingle writer running guns to Venezuela again or whatever. Right, I'm just trying to mythologize his dad. Yeah, what are you fucking doing?

It's nonsense. But it's fun. It's fun. How would he spy on people? He's a dentist. Is he just going to, even if he starts asking questions, he's not shitting their mouth. The dentist is the worst spy. No, because you knock them out and then look at their cell phone.

I don't know. It's dumb. But look. That actually could work because if they're knocked out, you can use the thumbprint on the iPhone. You can crack that shit real easy. Or an eyeball scan. What's easier is social engineering, not hacking.

That's the trick. Sure. I watched the movie Hackers. It's a good movie. It's not a good movie. No. It's a studies professor. And if I mythologized him to the extent that Alex does his dentist father, I would have

to say that my dad wrote the Bible quite frankly. What you don't know is that your dad was approached by God. And so were the three dentists that worked underneath him. Sure. They wanted to spy. Of course. They wanted to spy on the devil. Right.

On his degenerate son. So that's nonsense. A little bit later, Alex gets a call. And this call is very rational. It's a very reasonable person. Okay. And Alex thinks that he's a spy. Jay, thanks for calling and holding.

What's your view on civilian inmate labor camps and people being arrested for their political abuse and held by the army at concentration camps? Well, I definitely think that there are legitimate issues like NDAA. That's legitimate policy. I think that presidential directive 51 is. So I want to stop there. All right. He's off to a good start.

I want to just stop right there and let's take a real focused look. He said that there are legitimate issues. And then in one of the things that he referenced as a legitimate issue is NDAA. Remember that. But with regard to this particular document, I would like you and or Paul Joseph Watson to point us specifically to where this mentions anything about Conus because I have found this document on an army website, army pubs.army.mil. This is not a top secret document.

And I think it says restricted. Oh, again, I should just settle down. You're calling in trying to run a Psy op here on our audience. It's illegal to have the TSA all over the country doing warrantless checkpoints and training police to search bags. Okay. That's been ruled over and over again. We've got regular military and Marines right where you're out there in California in the

news running DWI checkpoints 30 miles from base on U.S. citizens. They don't even want people to get drunk if you've got a homeland brigade saying they'll pull triggers on citizens. I've been to countless urban warfare drills and you're calling up so he said that there's an article in the army times where they say that they're going to start pulling triggers on civilians. I can't find this article, but I think you probably just say that they took it down. Of course.

Now when you revealed it right and then I'm saying even though it was their plan to put it out openly right to mock Psy op the people who were Psy op asleep Psy op. Gotcha. And then he says that he's been to these drills and stuff like that. I can't confirm that. I don't. I mean, I could say that I've done everything. It sounds like a urban militia drill.

Sounds like sounds like my dad was a spy dentist. Your dad is God though. We should ask him true Arizona fire. You shouldn't be upset and you started out by saying NDA is legitimate. He didn't. He said that it's a legitimate bill. He said that there's issues and that that was listed as one of them. Right.

Alex is intentionally twisting his words. Of course. Across the political spectrum, the entire world, even the Communist London Guardian said this is unprecedented evil, the secret arrest of U.S. citizens, unbelievable. You think PDD 51 is great. I guess. So let me guess. What type of police officer are you and do you feel like this is okay because you've

been led in to some of it and told the Psy op that was crafted for you. So Alex is at this point decided that he is a cop or something like that. Right. Right. And is working with the globalists. A Psy cop. Right. No, no one said this is okay.

What I'm saying to you is this particular document is not what you're making it out to be. And you need to tell us specifically where it mentioned the continental United States within this document. You are misleading your audience like you did before with 20 minutes with the president. Okay. I want to hold on one second. No.

So apparently. Hold on one second. No. Apparently previous to this in the episode, he had tried to do a satire piece where he pretended to interview the president. Of course. Clint Eastwood style. Right.

That was a mock interview with the president that we had a computer glitch for a minute and the thing went on the bottom that happens. It was like 20 pages long. Look, I'm trying to find something here. Where is the article? This is a foreign job. I just read this to people. I just read from the document it says it's four in the US.

We read that part and it says identifies malcontents, trained agitators, political leaders within the facility who may try to organize resistance to create disturbances, develops and executes indoctrination programs to reduce or remove antagonistic attitudes, identifies political activists, provides loudspeaker support, such as administrative announcements, and so but none of none of that. Tell, tell the nice lady at customer service all of this. She needs to know. But none of this is in relation to the whole thing that the caller was asking is where

does it say in the United States and it does say it a couple of times. But if you get into the context of where it says those things, it's not in nefarious ways. Right. And you have to really stretch in order to make it that right. The instructions were necessary. Helps the military police commander control detainee and DC populations during emergencies. Plans an execute SIOP program that produces an understanding and appreciation of US policies

and actions. So you don't deny that this doesn't exist. You're saying that well, I mean, what's misleading? Tell me. Well, what I'm saying is this, Alex, I'm not hold on, hold on, buddy boy. Almost. I'm not misleading people. You tell me in this document what I'm misleading people.

Yeah. Don't use that Perry Mason garbage where you say, or I do some satire and you say everything I do satire. This is not satire. So I got one more thing for you. I have, I recently had a conversation with friend of the show far out and he was talking about the idea of interviewing Alex and I told him, though I've been studying him for almost 11 months in complete dedication.

I would never want to talk to him. Of course not. And this clip is demonstrative of why because he would just yell at you. There's no point to it. No. And so anyway, let's finish up this clip and then we talk about it a little more. Okay. Now I'm talking straight to you.

Right now I'm asking you what isn't true about this groundbreaking FM three dash 39.40. What is in this document? Okay. That is not ground. It is groundbreaking. Groundbreaking. I already knew this because I've been to these drills and seen it without it being admitted that they are saying this will be used domestically as well in DoD support to U.S. civilian authorities

for domestic emergencies and domestic law enforcement and other activities on the police officer. Do you ever use the military and warrant service? Tell us page and paragraph in the PDF where we can find it in reference to the United States of America. I have the document. I mean, I've just read from all get Paul on the air and have him tell us where it's at because he read it.

He wrote about it. Hold on. Are you saying, sir? We've got all the links where they are doing the hiring and saying it's for domestic operations. Well, I appreciate that. Listen, you're not going to answer my questions. Are you? Have you worked with the military as a police officer in domestic operations?

I called to ask you about that. That's enough. I'm done with you. You think you're part of the system. You watch what happens in this country. You try to stall the American people and you shy off techniques on them. You go ahead and do that, buddy. So I would like to say at the end of this is you look what's going to happen to the country.

You use scyop techniques on people. They look what's going to happen. Five years later, look what's happened, Alex. You use scyop techniques on your audience. And we know this because one of your biggest influences is a scyop officer. So and even then, even if it's not, even if you don't want to call it scyops, all, well, even then, all scyops really are propaganda. Yeah.

Yeah. It's absolutely like when you say conduct a scyop on people to get them to like American policy, it's just like, well, in the same way that Alex Jones says, you should like Trump and gives all these bullshit reasons. The only difference is that these are enemy combatants and it's a war setting where it's Alex is doing it to civilians. Yeah. If anybody is worse, this might be, and I'm not, I'm not advocating for the death of

Alex Jones, but if I were, that sounds like a sentence that I would start. Yep. If I were designing a perfect world. If I were designing a civilization that I think would function perfectly. Well, the show designing women would be first and foremost. Misha Taylor. Absolutely. Linda Bloodworth.

Thomas. Delta Burke. One of the things that I would say that actively and consciously engaging in propaganda should be an executable offense because of the amount of disasters that you create, the amount of misinformation, the how many people you lead astray through attractive but deceitful news prevents like it is a disaster. There is the possibility of us really ever coming together and working towards common goals is completely knocked off track by people like Alex Jones.

Absolutely. And I'm not saying again, I'm not saying he should even be arrested because that's not the world we live in, but in a utopia, we would really look at the idea that you are willingly misleading people like executing people might be. That's counterproductive. Thrillman prison. That's counterproductive as well. Well, I know, but that's why we do the show the way we do it.

Well, what we should have is fucking classes in school. Right. That's like, here's how you recognize propaganda. Teach rhetoric. Now, the reason we can't have those classes is because religious people would go hog wild. Well, because then they'd have to be like, okay, well, we know religion isn't real. Right. We've reached an oraboros kind of because also the reason that you can't like get the

schools to work, uh, as well as they should, it's because people like this, because of propagandists. Cause people don't even want to use vaccines or any fucking bullshit. These people are stupid. Schools can't run, uh, well, when we have things like standardized testing, no child left behind, common core shit, and the funding isn't there. Like, you just can't, you can't teach kids what they need to know to grow up understanding logic and rhetoric.

Those two things are critically important as you need to understand how to deconstruct an argument. Number one, that you cannot get through life without, or else you will be tricked by people like this ding dong. Right. Second, you need to understand rhetoric. And our buddy Eddie Bravo, he's never going to make it out. Oh, poor Eddie.

Poor Eddie. Sweet, sweet Eddie. You stupid bastard, Eddie, but you also need to understand rhetoric because you need to understand rhetorical tricks people use like Alex shutting down every single time this guy tries to talk and then pretending that he's not answering his questions. Right. That is a rhetorical technique in order to silence your opposition. You need to know these tricks because you need to know when people are using them and

then you can take the next step, which is why are they using them? And we go back to your religious argument. People would shut down all of that discussion because they know secretly that their argument doesn't make sense. Of course not. So, yes, absolutely. School shit. Okay.

I'm going to walk back the idea of killing propagandists. I, I like where you're hiding. I think I like where your heart is at, right? I'll tell you why. This is, this is the perfect role reversal because sooner or later, you and I are going to agree on somebody to kill. Right. And let me take, as I walk that back, I still think in a utopia, it would be a very serious

deal to be a propagandist, whereas now it's just like, yeah, he's making money. But I think, um, I forgot my thought. I, I, it's a good, it's a good thought, which is I lean back more towards, I just remembered my thought. Okay. But go ahead. Uh, I lean back more towards, um, the, um, war of the three kingdoms in China, whenever you had legalism and Taoism and Buddhism and all of those things.

I play, I play dynasty warriors. There you go. Yeah. Um, mainly because those, all of those were, uh, built around the idea of how is it that we get an effective government? Like if you read the Tao, mainly it's about not, not like how you should live and how you should treat people, but if I were the king, here's how not to be an asshole about it.

Right. Going with things. Exactly. And all of that really boils down to if you are running a competent government where the rule of law applies equally to everybody, where people are protected, where they feel safe, where they have their basic needs met, where all of this stuff is stuff they don't have to fret about. And this was before Maslow even came up with this hierarchy of needs.

Exactly. Yeah. And you will wind up not having to worry about these propagandists. Total. Well, yeah, that's a good point because, because the root of all of this, the root of all of the, the why we believe in the propagandists, the why we believe in religion, the why we believe in all of this shit is because life is miserable and nobody is doing anything about it.

Victimization narratives. There we go. It comes down to that. Like you're miserable because you don't have your needs met and you need to find someone to blame. Alex Jones comes up with someone to blame for you and you jump on it. Simple. Yeah.

So my thought that I got back was that if it's not about the Dow, I don't want to know, man. Well, I don't know how I can relate it to that, but Alex doesn't believe what he's saying. Yeah. And I know that because if he did, he would be calling for taking the streets. Absolutely. If he legitimately believed that this was a government document that showed that they were intending to incarcerate dissidents in America in FEMA camps and separate agitators

like himself, he would call for an overthrow of the fucking government and not in an info war. Well, I mean, the easiest way to point to that, who are the people who really believe that abortion is murdering babies? The people who are out there, like if you really believe that you are murdering a live thing, that is insane. Yeah. Right.

So the people who are going out there and protesting and doing all that shit, blowing up clinics at the very least, they believe what bullshit they're selling. I don't know if you're not, I don't want to say at very least. I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to use that as like a feather in the cap for that. Fair enough. But you don't, you don't question the authenticity of their belief, whereas with Alex, it's clearly a con game that he's playing because if he did believe the things he believes, he would

be acting completely differently. And then secondarily, he would be running his own militia. Absolutely. Yeah. And secondarily, the problem with that is like, we can sort of assess what Alex Jones really believes in what he doesn't. But what's scary is to think about the logic that would be in a person's mind if they actually believed him.

Yeah. Because if they actually believed him, they're the ones who are going to take to the streets. They're the ones who are going to a fucking pizza place. Let's take, let's take that out of it, even though that definitely is a piece of it. Let's just say old people or people who aren't going to storm places with guns. See now in my perfect society, it would be an executable offense to be an old person. Oh boy. I'm going to go into a blade runner.

I don't want to advocate. Did you just watch the new blade runner? I haven't. I want to see it so bad. So what I'm saying is if you actually believed in Alex Jones logically, the thing that you should do is give him literally all of your money. Because if you believe that he is the person who has the best chance of taking down these globalists that he keeps scaring you about, then your money is useless if he loses.

So the only logical, rational thing to do would be pour everything you can into him and do everything he tells you to. And that's kind of scary. Well, I mean, your money would be worthless if he wins too. No. Why? If he overthrows the government? No, no, no.

I'm going to have to issue. I'm not fed. No. Because if you listened to him, you would have bought gold too. Oh, that's true. So that would take care of that. You give him all your paper money. Right.

You give up the fiat currency. And you keep your $10 Liberty coins. Or your max bucks. Yeah. Or whatever. Ooh. So like that's the kind of stuff that when I listen to this, that's what really scares me is the idea of rationality in his listeners, like a twisted rationality, irrational logic.

But that's why so many people give to like your wealth. Glitterbug churches? Yeah. Your wealth churches. Prosperity gospel. Prosperity gospel is the biggest and best con in the history of the world. Totally. We should do an episode about Jim Baker sometime.

Oh, we could fucking mess that shit up. Yeah. Maybe we'll do that for here in the future. Yeah. I'm getting old singing. I'm getting run down on Kerry's anti-Semitism. Yeah. Running me down, man.

I was trying to get some work done the other night and I was watching like a majority report videos as I was getting work done because I love Sam Cedar. Yeah. And one of the things that was recommended to me because I have terrible YouTube habits was Kerry Cassidy is live. She was interviewing a guy live or this guy was interviewing her live. Okay. I watched about 20 minutes of it.

Oh boy. Not good. I mean, it was a lot of rehashing of stuff we already know. Yeah. But at the same time, while it was going live, there's a chat room on YouTube for the live streams. Oh, that's trouble. And these people weren't joking.

They were in. It was wild. That's scary. Also, no updates about Jim Semi van. Oh man. So we have just a couple of clips left, Jordan, and then we can wrap this up because this is a classic knowledge fight episode. We're already at two and a half hours.

Yeah. This is back in the good old days. It's the weekend as we record this happy Monday to you and yours for sure. So in his next clip, Alex Jones takes another call wherein they shit on the previous caller who was completely rational and Alex talked over and decided was a cop for no reason. Of course. A young man like this guy just called and he's either a fraud or a total goof or doesn't have a clue to what's going on in his life.

Or notice he wouldn't say if he works for the military. My gut says he's like a deputy liaison to the Pentagon or infregard or FBI because you know, they do that and give them a lecture money. Listen, buddy, you're nothing special. They try to recruit every dentist my dad works with. This is big. Okay. They've never done this before.

They're building up for a giant offensive against this country. They're even going after dentists. They have to bring in foreign troops and force it because I'll tell you, I'm my whole family's military. I have, I have sons in the military, been in the military, Afghanistan, Iraq. And I'm going to tell you right now, these fine young people in the military are going to rebel. They're not going, they're not going to go along with it.

So they're going to have to bring in a lot of, lots of United Nations forces to do it. Well, you know, I used to hear that 15, 16 years ago and think people were crazy, but they were all former military and they'd been in the briefings. Now it's in the news, 15 foreign nations to be used against domestic terrorists and during crises. I mean, they're admitting it. Okay. All right.

So if you're saying that the United States military is going to rebel, the largest military in the world, larger than all the other ones combined, uh, they're going to bring in some UN troops and they think they're going to, that's going to, that's going to do it. If the US military rebels against anybody, we're all dead. Well, and like the con, the countries that were listed in that DHS press release or Australia, they're not going to be able to help much UK has a reasonably sizeable army, but nothing compared to us. Canada.

No. Mexico. No. Mexico, even with their army, can't get, uh, the, the gangs and the cartels in, yeah. If you're going to bring in foreign troops, I would bring in the cartels. They know how to handle business. Yeah. I mean, if you're using black water, you might as well.

Yeah. You might as well. Fucking. But like all of those countries, the ones that are actually, or the Navajo nation, that's the one you got to worry about. There we go. That's a huge army. Frankly, they may not have the people, but God damn it.

If they don't have the motivation. Right. I mean, like, if anybody wants to occupy the United States, it's the Navajo nation. Their point is well taken though that like quite frankly, nothing, yeah, there's, there is nothing to fear unless the military does rebel, right. In which case we're all fucked. Yeah. Which is increasingly becoming a not likelihood, but a possibility.

Right. Well, I mean, imagine the United States run by a military junta. Scary. Like that is the most like military. Hunters are horrific in small countries where they can't do anything. Oh, oh, I want to. Our military can nuke everybody. You're right.

And actually, I wanted to get back to my idea about killing propagandas really quick. All right. One of the reasons that I feel confident about that in a utopia is when we look at things like what we talked about a number of episodes back about Edward Bernays and his banana shit. Yeah. Leading to a 30 year civil war in Guatemala. Right. There are so many deaths that are attributable to propaganda.

And it's not, it's not a game. Like the things that Alex Jones says is not, it's not a game. He's making a ton of money on this shit, but people do lose their lives. People are terrorized. Like I read an article recently about a couple that was at the Las Vegas country concert that was attacked and the guy got shot in the head running away from the, the conflagration as it were. That's fucked.

And just because it was off by about an inch, he ended up surviving and it wasn't that bad. I mean, it was bad, but it wasn't that bad. It wasn't relatively speaking that bad. And so he and his girlfriend had an interview and they were talking about how immediately he was inundated with tons and tons of messages about how someone needs to kill him. Someone needs to shoot him in the head for real because he is a fucking crisis actor and all this shit isn't real.

Now that's not Alex Jones's narrative this time, but it's something he's perpetuated. It's something with the Sandy Hook stuff that he's perpetuated and fostered in people. The idea of crisis actors isn't, it doesn't start with him, but God damn it if he isn't one of the biggest people who's pushed that narrative, he has to share the blame in this. It's not, it's not no stakes. It's not a situation where you and I are sitting here and we're like, Hey, Alex Jones sucks. Doesn't he?

Haha. It's, it's, this is damage. He's doing damage. And again, I'm not saying kill him or even put him in prison or even take him off the air, but we need to take this more seriously. Right. Those people are being terrorized. The families of Sandy Hook victims have been terrorized that for years now at this point,

it's just a byproduct of this shit. Guy coming to pizza hut, a pizza hut, coming to ping pong with a gun. All that stuff is just very predictable outcomes. And this stuff, this stuff about a MS or FM three, this stuff in concert with all of his lies about Elohim city in Oklahoma city bombing shit. It combines to create a very dangerous white militia organization. And again, he's not solely responsible for creating that, but he's the most mainstream voice that is super in favor of it and popularizes it.

And clearly he's able to make effects in the world. He's able to make changes in the world. It's fucking nonsense. I don't understand why we don't have millions of dollars, quite frankly. That's what I'm getting to. Well, because we are debunk propaganda, right? We don't dole it out. Well, and because there's no money on the progressive side of things, there is like

the myths about Soros aren't real, no, whereas the myths about the Koch brothers and the Mercers are very real. Yeah. So that's really what's going on. If Soros was real, like in the way that Alex presents him, yeah, we would have a lot of money. We wouldn't be in my fucking bedroom right now. Anyway, I don't know, I don't know.

I mean, we're not going to defeat propaganda by killing people. No. That's unfortunate. Again, I was talking about a utopia that is hypothetical. All right. And you made a good point that talked me off the ledge about the Dow and about how it wouldn't be necessary or no one would gravitate towards propaganda if their needs were met. Right.

And I agree with that. Okay. So now, let's go hog wild. How would you kill all of the propaganda? What are we talking about? Are we bringing back? Are we bringing back guillotine? Cause that was fun.

I actually say what you want about the guillotine. People came to watch. I would say in my ideal scenario, what it would be is a protracted trial where in everything that they say, like it would be just every episode of our podcast is played. And by the end, they would have already killed themselves point by point. This is what you said. Right. And then you would have to get rid of the reality of it and make them confess to everything

and not the right torture or anything like that. Cause that's not how that works. No, it'd just be like, look, what we really need to do is get them really drunk one night and admit it. Yeah. But in court demonstrate the untruthfulness of all their claims and then seppuku. Now next thought seppuku after they're already an honorable death after they're already dead.

Right. Also, they don't deserve that honorable death after they're already dead. Okay. I propose we Oliver Cromwell them, dig them back up, put them back on trial and then behead them. Interesting. Um, that's my plan. I'm going to get back to you on that.

Okay. But let's get to these last two clips. This first one is Alex misleading people about Hillary Clinton early. Oh, this is 2012 misleading people about Hillary Clinton. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Oh, by the way, we have the Hillary fake Kentucky voice. This is real from when she was running against Obama in 2008.

Here it is. I don't feel no ways tired. I come too far from where I started from. Nobody told me that the road would be easy. I don't believe he brought me this. That's enough. You think I'm joking and I've had, I heard Rick Perry speaking to Hispanic groups in California's room for president and I would be so insulted because he was going, hello,

good to see you. No, he wasn't speaking Spanish. He was going, I've got some family that does that. We'll be in a Mexican restaurant. I would like a call. I mean, it's so condescending. Is that what you were talking? It'd be like, I went to an Italian restaurant and said, hello, Luigi or like some kind of

fake Italian accent. Well, mama, me or be like, if you went, you know, say some East Texas people's restaurant were like, how you doing there, boy? Why don't you bring me a chicken fried steak? I mean, it's so condescending. I have another example. How about you go on the BBC and do a British accent while you talk over the other guest on the show?

That would be condescending. That would be a little condescending, a little bit. That would be condescending on a large scale, a little bit. Yeah. So clearly she's one really bad at that accent. Yeah. That was maybe the worst Tennessee accent I've ever heard. Yeah, it's not good.

And two, she's clearly just trying to be like, hey, look at this kind of bid I'm doing. You guys know that I'm cool with you and it's just like a little thing. No. What she's doing is she's reciting the lyrics of a song by James Cleveland, four-time Grammy award winner for Gospel Album of the Year. It's a song called I Have Gone Too Far to Come Back or something like that. I can't remember the exact name, but the lyrics of it are unfortunately written in that patois. And granted, I agree with you.

The accent's not good. It's bad. But she's forced into it a little bit by the, at least... Man, even back then you can really see that her campaign handlers have no idea what they're doing. Yeah. Let's take the stiffest, most knowledgeable person we can find and try and get them to do bits.

Yeah. And if I were to really make a complaint, I think I would more complain that it's a little racist. I would go with that. Because she's... At the very least, pandering. Yeah. No, because the James Cleveland song is from, like he was born in 1930.

And these are old-time songs. And so they're written kind of like how Jim's Dialogue is written in Huck Finn. Right. You know, there is a little bit of that in it. Or like how the National Anthem supports slavery. Right. Right. It's anachronistic to a certain extent.

And I would think that Alex could have a much easier attack point there than to say that she's doing a hillbilly voice and that's somehow disgraceful. But he can't do that. He's got to attack her on that because she's stepping in on his game of bad accents. Well, we saw what he did at the Marriott. Exactly. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah.

So at the end there, he's sort of talking to somebody else and that is Gerald Salenti. He has Gerald Salenti on. He says a bunch of bullshit. He ends the show by saying that the president should talk to him. And I think there's no reason for that. That would be fun. He screams about some guy saying stuff about the army when he's never served. I don't know if Gerald Salenti has ever served himself.

I have no idea, but he's the age where he would have been in Vietnam. I have no idea. I don't want to cast dispersions because I don't know his history, but I don't know. You would think that he would bring it up while he's screaming at somebody about talking about the military. But be that as it may, he says this and it's about Germany. And I think. I think that based on the rants that I've gone on about propaganda on this episode,

this is a fitting way for us to end the episode. And you know, these are the Germans. I mean, they have, you know, they have it down as far as engineering style culture. You know, this isn't a third world banana republic. And you see these beautiful buildings, Alex, from the late 1800s, early 1900s. And then you see in between them all new construction from post-World War II. And this keeps going on everywhere you go. These all bombed out buildings.

So it's been haunting me since I've returned. I said to myself, these are the Germans. How can they have let no a two bit little freak like Hitler destroy their entire country? Well, victimization narratives fast forward to 2016, Trump, president of the United States. Well, I mean, one of the big reasons that people went along with Hitler was because of desperation. Right. In the country because of things that actually the, you know, the global community was responsible

for. The Treaty of Versailles is proof of exactly what it is that I'm saying. Right. When people's needs are not met, they will absolutely go for whatever dumb fuck is going to give them that outlet for their dumb fuck anger. Which anybody who expresses a way out of your victimization narratives. When Alex Jones exposes or exploits the job loss in the Midwest and in the coal mining territories.

When he exploits the pain of people who have lost people to opiate addiction. When he exploits the fear of immigrants and these sorts of things. All he's doing is providing a convenient scapegoat in the fake globalists that he talks about all the time. Exactly the same way Hitler did with the Jew bankers and the Jews in general. And so Gerald, I would say look in the mirror. That would be my recommendation. And I mean propaganda has its role to play in all of this.

He brings up Banana Republics. We've talked about it. Oh yeah. A lot of that is due to propaganda and of course capitalism run amok. Right. Yeah. I mean that's just sad to me. I mean yeah you ultimately come down to propaganda is especially when it's used as a tool by

the government. It is just one part of that unrestrained capitalism or kleptocracy really. Wherein you can have these people who are like it's the Democrats while at the same time they're voting for candidates who support the very policies that are putting them where they are. Right. Like if Alex is going to bitch about the opioid crisis the very guy that you wanted to take things over is doing nothing about it.

He's talking. And being public. He's talking. These people are right in why they are angry and they are tricked by the people they should be angry at. Right. That's what propaganda is like North Korea. Why are you guys fucking starving.

And yet at the same time you believe your leader is a God propaganda. Exactly. Yep. It's it's you know it's not a sigh up so much as it is. If you shout lies loud enough a lot of people are going to believe you. There's a thin line between marketing and propaganda but that line is very important. Right. And that line is Matthew McConaughey.

Hold on now. Lincoln ads or whatever. Oh yeah. I guess he does. Yeah. Where he dresses all real nice and then he jumps into a pool for some reason. He does. That makes me want to buy a car.

He does Lincoln ads and then he was also in that movie the Lincoln lawyer. And he was also Abraham Lincoln. What's going on. It's crazy. So anyway my my my way I want to put a button on all this is I'd like to thank Alan for sending us down this path in history. Absolutely. And although it was not really all that much about Osama bin Laden we got to experience

some very important things in the mythology of Alex Jones. Every time travel episode we've ever done you're like oh OK it's 2000 he's going to do Y2K all over it. Nope. It's camps at the airport. No concentration camps at the Alston airport. Yeah. Except for the one where Reagan got but fucked.

That one is great. Yeah. That one was great. That was targeted. He wasn't necessarily but he was pegged. He was definitely pegged. We all know. Do you look Reagan.

Good on you. Yeah. You live your life. So I mean we've gone through a bunch of bullshit. The currency being illegal narratives. The idea that Madeleine Albright and Walter Cronkite came out publicly and said that Osama bin Laden was killed before. All that stuff is a load of shit.

All these things are really easily demonstrably not true. The chicken man narrative he has is full of shit. The chicken man himself. Some American hero. Some people say he was a good man gave out eggs. American hero. Perhaps. You know what I think he's not as cool as the San Diego chicken.

No. Isn't that who is not as cool as Mike the headless chicken. Oh that's true. Yeah. Definitely not. And also then we just have all this FEMA camp shit. It's interesting to see where it really came together for Alex. Yeah.

Like to know. And also I listened to the day after this. He doesn't talk about it very much ever. You know why. He has Charlie Daniels as a guest. Wow. Yeah. And he one of his questions he asks is how did you come up with the devil.

Don't. Don't. No. Yeah. No. Charlie Daniels is on to talk about how evil Agenda 21 is right because he made a documentary about Agenda 21 but we got to get to the bottom of this devil went down to Georgia. Right.

Charlie Daniels answer. Underwhelming. He has no story. He has no story about how he came up with it. Yeah. I started writing stuff down. Wait. It was predictive programming to get the people from Georgia to be comfortable with the devil.

Indeed it was. Yeah. So Alex you're full of shit. But it is interesting to take this time capsule and I appreciate that for what it is. Absolutely. Let me let me ask you a question. I got it. Have you ever been to a website.

No. Okay. Well you can't prove that I ever have. You should try going to knowledge fight dot com. Oh my God. Here that's a great website. It's a great website. I have.

Yes. I'm passingly familiar with you. You're not on Twitter anymore. I'm not on Twitter. But we are at knowledge underscore fight. Oh that's true. Yeah it is. We say we.

It's mainly. Yeah. We're also on Facebook. And when we say we that's also me. You should hire a social media manager. The problem with the thing about this podcast that is so great is that by design you have to do all the work. If I start doing any work it demolishes the entire point of this podcast.

But I like it that way too. I don't think I don't think less of you for not doing a work or anything like that. Right. You know I'm fine. I started out with a healthy dose of insecurity about it. And then you know I'm cool. Good. That's how it works.

Now there's one guy. I know. We're also on iTunes. Oh we are also on. And if you'd like to support the show please go to knowledge fight dot com and click the support the show button. Absolutely. Like I said if we can get that number up 35 percent more of our goal we will do a full

length commentary. I'll put out a Twitter poll of like three options of Alex's documentaries and I will I promise you this spend as long as it takes going through and debunking every point in it and I will write jokes and we'll do a commentary track over it that might end up being like five hours. And now that we've got webcams and the like we can actually although we can't get the rights to the well if it's on you know I just do a riff track yeah we'll have to do a riff track yeah it'll be fine but yeah if you guys want to support that that create more work

for me yeah but I do want to do it so it would be it would be nice and also jobs we're creating jobs we're not doing them yeah I'm doing something but and you know when he was talking about CIA dentist dad right being approached you think about teeth I think about I think about one guy I know was approached all right interesting theory rebuffed those approaches right he's a stalwart then went to a different CIA dentist oh man who put CIA Psiop teeth in him Psiop teeth and let me tell you something as as tragic as that story is you really would think that CIA Psiop teeth would sound better in a mouth you really think you know what are you talking about the budget is tight Dan we can't be focusing on fucking appearances no I mean

sound aesthetic I'm talking about my I don't you don't want that marble gummy mouth my buddy Ryan Beck has a great joke that he doesn't do anymore which pisses me off because I think it's a great joke it's okay why do old people always look like they're chewing something it's a good joke fuck yourself you're an asshole don't stonewall Ryan Beck look anyways I'm saying go fuck yourself John Rappaport may the wolf choke on your flesh Andy and chances you're on the earth thanks for holding hello Alex I'm a first-name caller I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you