Knowledge Fight - #990: Tucker, The Man And His Omissions

Episode Date: December 20, 2024

In this installment, Dan and Jordan check out an interview that Tucker Carlson did that touches heavily on the idea of lying by omission, and also reveals how lowly Tucker thinks of women.

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Oh indeed we are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. What's up? What's your bright spot today buddy? My bright spot today is also a tragedy. Oh, no And that is that there's now a White Castle not White Castle. God. What the hell? There's a jack-in-the-box in Chicago. I did not know that! There hadn't been. No, for your entire life. Right, because every time we would go on the road, I'd get pretty excited if there was a Jack in the Box, because I want to get their terrible tacos. Really bad.

They're so bad, but they're, aw, they're just- They're in your wheelhouse for some reason. Probably memories of drunk nights and, you know, that kind of stuff. Phil Hartman and his sandwiches and news radio. So there is a Jack in the Box in Chicago now, and I ordered some yeah, it was terrible It was terrible terrible but great terrible but great how let me ask you this question As far as is it a good jack-in-the-box like compared to other jack-in-the-box. Yeah That's fine. I didn't know I don't know how to rate it. I think that's kind of maybe the bigger

issue. I think one of the problems is that the tacos are like by definition really bad. Right. So like, if you're going in with that as the standard, if it was better in quality, it would be a bad jack-in-the-box. Yes. So I don't know, it got me where I needed to go. Interesting. Which was feeling like shit. Interesting. It's paradoxical fast food Fascinating so anyway, that's a tragedy. Yeah, what's your bright spot my bright spot? I'm gonna have to go ahead and go with a zip Because our mailbag is over flowing it Doth overflow is

Overflowing fair amount of candy. Yep. Yep. Thank you Al absolutely Amy thank you for the ray gun Peril yeah, yeah, yeah, that's some socks We got some dog stuff cat stuff. I mean it was it's a it's a delight. It's a demon feast if you will yeah And Al has reinforced my perception. Yes, it is somewhat controversial although some people have jumped on board with my perception that is somewhat controversial, although some people have jumped on board with it, and that is affirming that the European mind is very interested in marshmallows. It's gummy based, yeah. Not even gummy based.

No, no, no, yeah, yeah, yeah. Marshmallow and gummy are two different paths down a similar road. They both are chewy, but they are not the same. They're both made of horse parts. That both are chewy, but they're not the same. They're both made of horse parts. That's historically true. Mm-hmm. I think. Maybe. Hooves. I may have made that up. Hooves. It's either glue or marshmallows or both. Mm-hmm. What is a marshmallow but a tasty glue? Is it marrow? Is it like bone marrow that makes up the... Let's say that it is. Why not? Marshmallow, marshmallow! Sure.

You could use marshmallows as an adhesive if you need it. Well, I mean, Rice Krispie treats are essentially that. That's just cereal with adhesive. Absolutely. Yeah. Cracked this case. In record time. That's just cereal with adhesive.

Yeah. Oh, I like it. So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Oh, okay. And we are gonna talk about something off the beaten path a little bit because Alex has been out of studio So we'll get down to business on that but before we do let's take a little moment say hello to some new walks I think that's a great idea. So first pie is better than cake exclamation point. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk. Mmm fine freak wharf. I Mmm. Fine. Freak wharf. I don't care.

Paul F. Tompkins. Here's my hot take. What's that? I don't care. I've spent hours drunkenly arguing with people about whether a hot dog's a sandwich. And now that I'm 40, I have come to a point where I don't give a fuck.

Pie and cake are both good, they're fine. Hot dog's a sandwich and it's not. I don't give a shit. Let's not do this anymore. I've never participated in a hot dog conversation I've never taken a cake V pie stance mm-hmm whenever people were like oh it's blue or silver and gold or whatever I was like I don't know the dress yeah yeah I don't know it could be anything yeah hot dog think it's sandwich I don't even know what a sandwich is really

whenever I stop to consider it exactly yeah so Yeah, so... That's the point. I mean, I like a chicken sandwich. Is that a hot dog? Yep. Fair enough. Next, Isla. You're just a few days old, but now you're a wonk. We love you. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Next, Alex Jones can suck a wet fart. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Thank you. And Eli, please stop listening to Knowledge Fight in the bathroom and go catch the bus. Love your dad. Thank you so much, you're now a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

Thank you very much! Thank you! So, Jordan, today, like I said, Alex has been out of the studio and I wasn't in the mood to talk about what the underlings who are wearing their dad's ill-fitting suit were up to, so I decided to go field for today's episode. I've said in the past that I want to cover Tucker Carlson more, and I should be clear with folks that that is something that's gonna happen. God damn it. I'm not gonna leave Alex behind, but he's severely lacking in inspiration these days, and Tucker is rising into an insane position in the media landscape. He's simultaneously looked at as a mainstream adjacent figure who had a number one news

show on cable in the not too distant past. And he's a person who can do public interviews about how he was attacked by a literal demon and somehow this doesn't ruin his career. One of the things that gives Alex the power, the power to the content that he has, it's the ability to take the image of being serious and funneling that towards extreme ideas. He pretends to be an intrepid investigator who just covers what he can prove based on the secret documents and deep level sources that he has. He takes that credibility that the character he's created implies, then he uses that to

sell the audience white identity ideology and extreme right-wing Christian nationalism as a whole. Under the pretense of that's what this intrepid investigator who only reports on the facts is doing. If the facts are the devil's fucking with you, then the devil's fucking with you. It's just the facts, man. Right. He's using the credibility of the fake character to get past the part where you would demand

evidence that the devil is fucking with you. Sure, sure. Well. Tucker is engaged in a similar pivot where he's built up the credibility of the character of a newsman, broadcasting a respectable show on cable TV, which he's now deploying to sell similar religious messaging. There's an insidiousness to this whole project, because folks like Tucker and Alex only operate like this because they know that they couldn't sell their message any other way. If on day one at Fox News, Tucker got on air and said that he was attacked by a demon

and that the presidential election was a fight between a benevolent father figure and the literal devil, he would have never been given the opportunity to cultivate the character of a respectable newsman that he's now exploiting. People would have seen through it and they rightly would have ignored him and he would have been cast aside. But now he's become too much of a problem because of the fake persona that he's built up that he can get away with this kind of shit. The moment we're in right now is very interesting because it's one where it seems like Tucker doesn't see any benefit in maintaining the old facade that he had. There's a real smoke em if you got him kind of feeling around his recent career and I think that that's a bad

portent and I think it's something know, worth not glossing over. Anyway, today we're going to talk about an interview that Tucker recently did on an outlet called redacted news. Oh my god redacted. They fine. It's all just fine. It's all just one big fine episodes redacted. How dare they call it that. But fine. It's just one big BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEE EEEEE E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E E If you were an eighth grade right the way that the stussy the way that you've named bands. Yes, you know very much Just this this will get attention the shitting. Yeah, so we start here with the host of redacted news Joking around a little bit with Tucker about how there was a rumor that Tucker might be press secretary. Yeah Well, I want to say congratulations. First of all that President Trump has selected you as press secretary. Um...

I was st- I was- I was- I was- I was- That's not funny! I was hit by that news last week and uh... I mean I woke up, I said what the hell and I- I immediately knew it was a joke.

I mean not a joke but I think- I don't know who started the rumor or who made a fake post about it. What was your morning like that morning? Because I texted you, I knew it was a joke right away. I mean, I texted you and I just said this is hilarious. But I'm sure people fell for it, right? Well, I was actually working that morning when it came out, I guess, because by the time I got to my phone,

it was just overwhelming. You know, that's the last job you would want. I'm 55. You know after 33 years in the media I don't want to sit in a room full of people from CBS News. You know what I mean? I have to post some party lines. I love Trump. I voted for Trump. I did rallies for Trump. Adult men can speak for themselves and I don't think anybody, at least any middle-aged man, I speak for the middle-aged man community, wants to read other people's talking points. I mean, you know, personally, I definitely would not do that.

I would not. The most people I've ever met in the briefing room at the White House, it's the most depressing, airless, sad, kind of just creepy. Smells like a Tim Walz's locker room, you know? It's just like naughty stuff has gone on there. Impure thoughts have been had there. I just don't wanna be in that environment at this age at all.

But I would love to like go for a day and do like a guest gig or something just to like get my aggressions out. That would be fun. Well, you got to do that. You got to do that quite a bit on this tour. I mean, going around the country and even before that, like around the world. He did lash out quite a bit on the tour.

I'll give him credit for that. That's true. So Tucker is a crafty dude and he knows damn well that the press secretary is a position that exists in the present day as a punching bag. That's not a position that anyone would accept unless they were willing to risk becoming a scapegoat. It would be unbecoming and a sign of desperation for someone in Tucker's position to accept a role like that So you would need to think like I need exposure this badly That I could become Sean Spicer. I think anybody named Spice Sean or is good do for the job, right?

Yeah, I think I think you gotta be to be pretty desperate and Tucker's not quite there yet. This guy interviewing Tucker is Clayton Morris, one of the hosts of Redacted News. He and his wife were real estate folks and he was a host on Fox and Friends for a bit, but weirdly in 2019 they up and moved to Portugal. His wife claimed, quote, I'm not one of those who rejects America. We had a good life there, but my husband and I have had a hard few years in our business and this collective soul challenge forced us to question everything. This collective soul challenge doesn't involve the 90s grunge band collective soul.

Instead, it's a reference to a barrage of lawsuits that Clayton had filed against him, alleging fraudulent business practices. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. So here's the basic sketch of these lawsuits. Yeah. Clayton had filed against him, alleging fraudulent business practices. Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure. So here's the basic sketch of these lawsuits. It was alleged that Clayton organized the sale of properties in Indiana to folks living out of state, with the understanding that the properties would be rehabbed and then rented out, and his business would take care of all of that process.

These out-of-state parties were, in essence, investors in the purchase and flipping of these rental properties. The New York Times describes the plan like this, quote, their plan was to connect mom and pop investors with turnkey investment homes in Detroit, Indianapolis, Jacksonville, Florida, and several other cities. Their company, Morris Invest, would handle all the details, finding properties, overseeing renovations, hiring property managers to rent out the houses. All clients had to do was put up the cash and wait for their

checks to arrive. So this started to become a problem because investors started learning that these properties were not being renovated and in some cases were sold without the full disclosure of their circumstances. For instance, one man bought a home that was destroyed in a fire days after the fire and he was unaware of a home that was destroyed in a fire days after the fire and he was unaware of that detail. In the midst of this fallout, as lawsuits started piling up, Clayton and Morris Invest pointed the finger at a company called Ocean Point and its founder, Burt Whalen. Clayton would have you know that he's just a victim in this whole thing too. He was just referring customers to Ocean Point. He was just a middleman. Come on man.

Sure, no big deal. So Whalen's lawyer said that Clayton got $6,500 as a referral fee for each sale and in Indianapolis alone that would involve 700 homes racking up a cool $4.5 million. Holy shit. Even if you really believe that he's just this middleman guy who's... God damn, crushing it, man. So I'm not sure the extent to which Clayton or Morris Invest knew what was up and how much they were just happy to feed customers into a fraud racket and collect a fee, but I do know that in 2022, Whalen admitted to federal charges involving conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

Part of his confession involved admitting that he had defrauded the investors, going so far as to create fake leases to trick them into thinking that their properties were occupied by tenants when in reality they were often nowhere near ready to be rented, or in some cases were vacant lots. He also co-mingled some rent payments from actually occupied properties and quote, selected which investors would be paid from the pool of funds in order to silence investors who voiced concerns and evade detection of the fraud. So essentially, Bert Whalen and Ocean Point were running a real estate fraud pyramid scheme.

And whether or not Clayton Morris was involved in it directly, he traded in his fame and Fox News celebrity status to direct investors to work with Whalen. The New York Times talked to a guy named Brian Freeman who lost $40,000 in the scam who describes Clayton like this, quote, he comes across as this nice likeable family guy. He's famous and I thought he's not going to ruin his entire reputation. Obviously in hindsight, I feel like such an idiot. It's tough to imagine that Clayton wouldn't have uncovered this very clear scam if he'd exercised due diligence in vetting who he was working with.

So I guess he was either complicit in this real estate scam, or he was so uninterested in what he was profiting off selling to people that he was duped into being the front man for an obvious scam. Either way, I can see how this would be a, quote, collective soul challenge for him and his wife that would lead them to moving to Portugal. Yep. Yep. I think that's the wise move there. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, now I guess he does this show called Redacted News where he talks about the real important issues that the man won't cover,

like whatever was popular on right-wing dipshit Twitter that day. And Tucker Carlson and him are bros. Because they both used to work at Fox News. Yeah, I'm going to have to go and say that, you know, I don't, while I don't admire the guy, I think he's made the right moves in his life. He's made a lot of money. He's made a shit ton of money and he's faced no consequences for it. And now he lives in Portugal? Yeah, that's the way to go.

What? Hard to argue. Holy shit. Hard to argue with it unless you recognize the reality of all the people who are hurt. Eh, you know, what are you going to do? If they count, then this is not great. You know, slumlording, what are you going to do? They just let Donald Sterling own the Clippers for like 60 years, so who knows?

So the two of these guys, they both work for Fox News and they're both friends with Trump, man. Obviously. You spent quite a bit of time, obviously, with the president-elect here in the last few months Yeah, I just I hate to ask the obvious question but like what was that like what was that? I mean so many people watching right now. I just can't even imagine being in a room with the president They would probably you know be a nervous a nervous wreck, but you got to spend quite a bit of time with him What was that like for you?

Well, I mean how many times have you, Clayton Morris, interviewed Donald Trump? Like, 100? So no, it's, I mean, you know Trump well. I don't know if the viewers know that you do, but I know that you do. And it's, he's exactly the same in person as he is, as you well know, as he is in private,

which is kind of the great thing about him. He's more, you know, he's more colorful in private. You know, he's more a little freer in what he'll say. But in general, he's like, grab him by the pussy. You know, some televangelist who gets off the stage and, you know, and is a totally different person, he's not like that at all. Like saying Trump is grabbed by the pussy. Trump in a million different than a lot of different countries, he's always the same guy.

So he's great. I mean, he's like the most entertaining, the most interesting. He has perceptions that you wouldn't kind of come to by yourself. It's kind of crazy. So it's cool to learn that these guys are friends with the future president, you know, that both such cool dudes, like one of them was attacked by a demon and one was the middleman, witting or unwitting in an elaborate real estate fraud scheme. These are the kind of people you want the president hanging out with. What I'm curious about in terms of what Tucker just said though, is that he said that he's been with Trump in a bunch of different countries and he's always the same.

What does that mean? I have no idea. I'm very curious. Utterly confused. Why a bunch of different countries? And why would you want him to be the same? Uh huh. What does that mean? I have no idea. I'm very confused. Why? Bunch of different countries and why would you want him to be the same? Uh-huh? Yeah, that makes even less sense I do think that there's some value in being like maybe he's a little bit more Subdued in public than he is at his rallies and stuff, but Tucker went the other direction. Yeah, he's more

gregarious and colorful in person That's scary. Okay. That's a scary idea. You know what? I hadn't considered this until you said he's the future president. Because no, he's not. He's the past president who's just taking the job back, right? What did they call Grover Cleveland while he was Supreme Court justicing and the past and future president? Like what was he, what were they calling him at the time? Grover. That's crazy.

That is a weird collection of jobs to have all at the same time. And a muppet? He's a great piano player. So not only do these guys like Trump. Sure. They also love, hold on, Mike Tyson? What?

Yeah. Sure. He's not like a genius in a conventional sense, but he has an intuitive sense that's honestly brilliant. I mean you don't get to be president by accident, especially the way that he did it. Woodrow Wilson. He's an amazing person and I don't think anybody who spent time with him, and he's a very warm person as you know. He's a legit warm guy. And so now I really enjoyed it. I mean, Friday night I watched the Tyson fight. I know Tyson. Trump knows Tyson really well, really loves Tyson as a person. He said he had 17 Tyson fights at his

casinos. So he's known Tyson for 40 years and really likes him as a person. And I know Mike pretty well, and I like him a lot as a person too. So we, you know, just sat and watched the fights and ate ice cream sundaes. And, you know, it's like fun. Like he's just a, he's a good guy. Let's not forget that Mike Tyson served about three years in prison after he was convicted of rape.

I know that folks like Tucker aren't particularly interested in real sex criminals, but maybe Tucker should be mad that Mike Tyson got a tattoo of Mao while he was in jail. This dude loves Mao. Shouldn't this be an issue for Tucker? He's not a conventional genius though. No that was about Trump. He's a... Trump's not the conventional genius. Well, Mike Tyson isn't a conventional genius either. That's true. See? Same difference. I lick the toad and then I talk to Mao. Tyson and Trump speak to each other through the heart and the mind. So they ate ice cream sundaes at the Tyson fight. Sure. Tucker and Trump.

Yeah. And this leads into a little section where it seems to be like Tucker is amazed that Trump can eat like a goat. He can eat trash and it's totally fine. You know, thinking of Tucker and Trump eating ice cream sundaes while an old man and a child fight each other. For pretends.

That doesn't make me angry at all. No. No, I have no desire to throw chairs through anything. Does it make you mad to know that Trump doesn't get like really bad diarrhea from eating fast food? That doesn't. I'm grateful to him, I guess. Well, you're about to hear a bit about it.

Okay. There's so much swirling around him that's intense and some, you know, some it's very, very dark and efforts to kill him, obviously. He never seems bothered by it. And I, and I don't really understand. And his physical stamina. He's a psycho! Man, as I said, 55, if I eat like a Big Mac and then an ice cream sundae,

which I love to do, by the way, first of all, I get really, really quick. Like immediately, the next day I can't fit in my pants. And I'm totally out of energy and spacey and just bad food affects me I think it affects all of us. It does not affect him. It's the weirdest thing you've ever seen you like, you know Scarf a Big Mac and he's like totally on it. I don't know. He's got a different metabolism. It's physiologically He's different Trump can handle bad food. Let me tell you something. Here's what you don't even know

Here's what you wish you know, but Tucker is too scared to tell you this amount of Trump news Okay, Trump can wake up in the middle of the night and be like 345 right and it is Every time cuz of God doesn't it feel a bit. It doesn't shit himself while he does it Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't it feel a little bit like some kind of just old Archaic King worship this idea of like he can eat the foods that you make you dizzy and feel bad. And he doesn't feel bad because he's built different. He has a genetics that's a different stamp. He doesn't have to wipe because he shits so clean.

I mean, it is interesting that people who strongly deny evolution often behave worshiping towards the largest monkey, the one who can bring them the most food if you will Yeah, and the bad food and not have and oh wow, he can eat the rotten fucking a gazelle Yeah, this is apparently a pretty big point for Tucker though. The fact that Trump could eat bad stuff Why are these people so fucking weird? It's very strange Some people are just genetic anomalies Is that if you try if I tried that speak for myself? I tried that You know, I I would be in a diabetic coma being like no sleep

Constant travel always performing getting attacked from all sides massive cortisone level stress levels I Just and I'm not sucking up by the way. I'm not like, you know, oh, Trump is perfect or anything like that. But that's just, that's just true. Donald Trump is like not like you and me that way at all. Oh, for sure. For sure. I can go on a health binge for a few weeks and feel great. And then I just have, you know, one or two off meals and I feel like Homer Simpson, like in just a short order. It's pretty remarkable. And then it's a slippery slope and then I just want to keep doing it,

just keep eating more donuts. Trump can eat those donuts and he's fine. He's fine. Not like you, you simple human. You simple human, you'll gain weight. Trump will not. You know what struck me? I was thinking about this and I was just thinking like no good administrator has ever won a popularity contest and yet the only people we put in charge win popularity contests. It's very strange. It is strange. It is very strange that this is what like well I don't want somebody who's like oh I can do paperwork

quickly. No, no, no, no, no, no. This man eats shit and doesn't shit. Yeah. I don't know, like how I would feel about breathless discussion of Biden's diet. Sure. You know, I don't. I do. I know how I would feel about it. Well, I haven't been confronted with it, so I'm not sure like how I would respond. I think I would probably feel similarly to this. Fair. Especially if it's like his diet's bad and he's so strong he can withstand it. Sure.

Like, this just seems pathetic. Can he withstand being pushed out of a plane? No, then we're all equal in the air. Right. Huh. I also think, well, if this is what we're doing, then just imagine how great he would be if you didn't eat all that shit I mean, I I don't I don't know what you want or maybe being proud of eating trash, but maybe he's so Scary as like an entity that he needs to eat this trash or else his light would shine so bright

Okay, that we just couldn't handle it. It would be a danger to us. I'll throw this out. Let me ask you this question. Do we know if raccoons are by nature good leaders? And if they are by nature good leaders, could it have something to do with always eating trash? Mm-hmm. Well, my friend Angela Lampsbury and I watched Air Bud 4 the other night. The raccoon version? There is a raccoon version? There is a raccoon.

Oh, God. Yeah. Of course. He doesn't play sports, though. He leads the teams. He's not a good leader. Oh, shit. No, he's working with the bad guys.

Oh, boy. Well, I mean. His role in the movie is convoluted. Not a good leader. Has a lot of yellow blonde hair kind of combed over on top of his head you don't see him eating a Big Mac mmm but so there's another line of question after we talk about Trump eating bad food my god and Clayton wants to know

like hey what has Trump learned that it's gonna be different this time around sure and Tucker has a very interesting answer. I think he has learned the lesson a lot of us learn over time, which is you can't trust anyone who hasn't been humiliated in public unless someone's really been through it, you know, really been through it, been fired from his job, accused of a crime, you know, and stayed true to what he believed hasn't collapsed inside and become Michael Cohen. It's only people like that you can really trust under pressure.

And I certainly feel that way in my life, which is why when I got fired from my last job, the people I brought with me are the people who came with me because they've been through all this stuff and I knew who they were. It's easy to be a great person if there's no pressure applied to you, but when things start to fall apart, people move in directions you can't anticipate.

So you want tough people. Courage is the indispensable requirement, I think, for leadership. Getting fired from Fox wasn't the first time Tucker was publicly humiliated. He wore a bow tie for years and got dunked on by Jon Stewart so hard that he stopped wearing bow ties. I get what Tucker is trying to say, and it's an idea that you need to have integrity and that oftentimes people cave to public pressure, and that's not the kind of person you want around.

It's not a strong leader who can be swayed by public opinion. This is an alright idea at its core, but it's being applied in a grotesque way here, where the standard for a person's integrity is some kind of public humiliation. I think what Tucker is missing is keeping any actual standards for how people behave after this public humiliation, where he's just arbitrarily deciding that the people he likes are the ones who had the courage to withstand that challenge. My reason for thinking this is that Tucker doesn't even come close to passing his own test.

He was publicly humiliated in the mid-2000s and he changed his entire shtick from being a neo-conservative George W. Bush supporter to being a fake populist right winger on Fox News. Then he was publicly humiliated again as it relates to the 2020 election coverage and that lawsuit and he changed his shtick again from being a fake populist right wing guy to being a fucking idiot who pretends he was attacked by a demon and sells anti-woke smokeless tobacco. This is Tucker attempting to play the classic Alex game, where consequences are an indication of virtue.

Alex believes that he only gets attacked because he's over the target, and therefore he's a danger to his imaginary enemies, and this is what's underneath what Tucker is trying to express. You only experience his public humiliation if it's a test from the globalists, and if you fail that test and change who you are, then you didn't have it to begin with. There's also a thread of like really mob sounding shit in there where Michael Cohen is the example of someone who faced the heat from the cops and he revealed that he was disloyal to the boss. I don't think that's specifically what Tucker wants to evoke, but it's coming across a little bit.

This loyalty to Trump is the medal that's being tested. Yeah, I see that. I wonder if I feel the same way. I mean, I don't know if he means it this way, but to a certain extent, I agree with Tucker wholeheartedly for why this would work is if you have gone through the public humiliation, you are essentially untouchable. You know, like again, Trump grabs him by the pussy and he can do it in public now. So like, once you've gone through the humiliation and made it through the other side, there's nothing that you know, and that's why Tucker can change his stick

You can say anything as a comic once you've put out your uncancellable special or whatever You know the once once you have the enlightenment and the realization that like oh this cancel culture stuff is all just They can't hurt me. This is just a business model. I don't actually you know, I'm not I'm not really beholden None of these people are real. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once you then you are free and you do come to a place where you could probably better serve the king. Yeah. But like, I don't think that it's, it's real. Like I don't think what he's expressing. I think that dynamic is real. Okay. But I don't think what Tucker is saying is real. Right. Like I don't think that there's a truth to like, you can only trust people who have been publicly humiliated

I mean, yeah, I wonder cuz there is that because you're right there is a little bit of that mob shit with Cohen to though is that like Cohen revealed that he's willing to have a conscience or whatever. Yeah, you know, whereas like Giuliani Still not doing it still not taking it back you Trump can probably pardon Giuliani, still not doing it. Still not taking it back. Trump can probably pardon Giuliani and it'll be fine. Yeah. I think you can, okay, so it's an interesting thing where you can trust someone before they're publicly

humiliated and reveal whether or not they're loyal to the king. Exactly. You can, but if you've gone through it and been battle hardened and shown that you're loyal then you're probably a safer bet. Totally. Trump could take a shit in front of the four seasons long company at this point and it's like what are you going to do? Right.

You've got nothing on me man. Tucker did a video where he said he was attacked by a fucking demon. Exactly. You've lost. And he's still got the marks on him and everything. Either it doesn't matter or you lost not them yeah or Matt Gaetz was nominated for Attorney General totally right yeah so might get the job why not so Tucker's Tucker likes that Gaetz guy course you know it's easy to

say or even to believe the right things but it's harder to carry them out under fire and so I do think he's appointed people who've been through it. I mean, Tulsi Gabbard has been through it. Bobby has been through it. Matt Gaetz, whatever you think, has been through it. I mean, Matt Gaetz got accused of child sex trafficking by the Department of Justice, which then never charged him for child sex trafficking,

which if you think about it, people need to go to doing that. I mean, how would you like it if I'm like, you know, the DOJ announced today that Clayton Morris is responsible for genocide in Central Africa. Okay. I mean, how would you like it if I'm like, you know, the DOJ announced today that Clayton Morris is, you know, responsible for genocide in Central Africa. Okay. Well, prove it. And then you get fired from your job,

and all your neighbors hate you, and your wife divorces you, or whatever. Like, your world falls apart. And the DOJ is like, well, actually, we're not charging him for genocide in Central Africa. It's like, the people who did that to you should be punished for it. And they did that to Matt Gaetz.

If he's a child sex trafficker proven court bitch and if he's not So I do think Say it again I believe this that Trump picks gates and people like gates because he knows who they are and they know who they are Because they've been forced to learn I was shocked by that That I don't know where it out of nowhere was quite a drop. There are ways to say bitch and then there's that.

There's what that was. It felt really out of place. Gross. So the DOJ didn't accuse Matt Gaetz of child sex trafficking. They investigated an allegation that was brought to them by a witness about him doing drugs and having sex with a minor. They looked into it but didn't press charges against him. However, Gates's friend Joel Greenberg is currently in jail because of all this, doing 11 years after pleading guilty to charges including underage sex

trafficking. The House Ethics Committee has wanted to release their report on an investigation about the allegations against Gates, but Republicans have been blocking that for a while, notably when Trump had nominated Gates to be attorney general. There's an argument that ethics reports aren't supposed to be put out during a time when there's an election because of the political implications of a race. I don't agree with that, but some people make that argument, whatever. Hey, emails. Now that he's withdrawn himself from consideration for that position and resigned from Congress,

seemingly destined for a budding career in the right-wing shit talk industry, the Ethics Committee has voted to release their report. As of the time of recording this episode, that's not out yet, so I have no idea what it'll say. No idea. Probably not a surprise that Tucker is indicates though, like he was just talking about how Mike Tyson's a great guy, so maybe there's a pattern here. I mean- small little pattern.

The moment you're a guy who says something very similar to if you actually like take the meaning of his words, something along the lines of the only thing worse than rape is being falsely accused of rape. That person is... Not great. You should leave him alone forever in a hole. It's not great. So Clayton Morris has a point here that actually was where this transcended

into like, okay, this is this is kind of bringing up an interesting point that I want to cover. Okay. He talks about the dangers of lying by omission. Not said to me, but you've said I I think publicly a couple of times after you, after you left, after you left your last job. It's about lying by omission. And I think about, I think about that often doing the show that we do? Because it's very easy To lie by omission to build a show and to leave out key things because it makes you uncomfortable Exactly, or because you're receiving money from some source or whatever. So it's very nefarious

I mean because you can flip on legacy media today and you can say oh that they're in the tank for the Democrats I mean, because you can flip on legacy media today and you can say, oh, they're in the tank for the Democrats. They're in the tank for conservatives and Trump. But there's always like 30% of the things they're missing. They're just not saying it for some reason. And you wonder, and that to me is a deep state, is a deep state money. How many of them?

To me, it's always follow the money. But what do you make of that? Because I see it now happening in alternative media. Like, forget the cable box. Forget Fox News. Forget MSNBC. Forget CNN and lying by omission or whatever. But now it's happening in alternative media,

like the independent media. And I think it's creeping in there and it's bothering me. I don't know if you see it or you're aware of it or what you think. I think I know what you mean. I mean, well, certainly it's just a feature of the human experience I've wrestled with it personally because if I'm being honest, and I always want to be honest you know

You you say things you believe are true Do your obligation or your obligation on the reverse it is not to ever say anything you know to be untrue That's a lie Right on the other hand. Are you under any kind of obligation to say everything you believe is true? No, I mean I have thoughts about You know things that are embarrassing or not relevant to anything that could be completely wrong or you know, gee He's gained a lot of weight. Probably not gonna share that they're hurtful for no good purpose you know, gee, he's gained a lot of weight, probably not gonna share that, they're hurtful for no good purpose. And then there are also some things-

Then you turn into Kramer from Seinfeld, where you just walk into a room and you're like, man, you need a nose job. Like- Exactly! It's totally right. Ha ha ha, Tucker's totally right. You don't have a requirement to say everything you think or know, you just can't say lies, it would be impossible to say everything at once that you know to be true. He's just a pillar of integrity. Incidentally, Tucker has a habit of lying by omission to his audience. He was caught in a particularly grotesque instance of this after he interviewed Ye,

who was presented as quote, not crazy and quote, worth listening to. Unfortunately someone leaked footage that Tucker shot but edited out of the released interview where Ye said a bunch of anti-semitic shit accused Louis Vuitton of murder and rambled about how there were children who'd been replaced by actors in his house. Tucker lied by omission to his audience because he wanted to. It was profitable to do that interview and he knew that he could edit the interview just enough so it advanced Tucker's interests that aligned with what Ye was saying at the time. He knew that. That was a calculation that he could edit the interview just enough so it advanced Tucker's interests that aligned with what yay was saying At the time he knew that that was a calculation that he made so he lied by omission

Tucker's not only a master of lying by omission He also has literally said in interviews that he's willing to lie if he feels backed into a corner in a conversation Tucker Carlson is a giant liar and that's important to remember when he starts blowing hard about honesty and how important it is. There's a guy lying about the act of being honest. It's crazy. Yeah. I wonder if you would consider the fun term for lying that they call, scene washing, to be lying by omission.

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like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like, it's just like I think you could end up in a pretty difficult position there though too, because I think some of, if you have just a transcript, that might even be sanewashing, because some of the meter and the way he delivers certain things are lost in translation from his delivery to the page. Right. So almost like the only way to not sanewash in some way is just to-

Madman speaks. Yeah, or just show the entire thing. Just put the entire thing there. like the only way to not say in wash in some way is just to mad man speaks sure yeah or just show the entire thing just put the entire thing there yeah you have you now are obligated to watch an hour of this I mean I would I wonder how much of our of our like media diet is affected just by people being like we've only got so many column inches you know I think there's an element to that and I think that some of it is the same thing that Tucker is pretending to be concerned about, which is you can't say everything that's true all at once. You're obligated not to tell untruths, not to say everything that is true.

And I think that sometimes well-meaning people even can lie by omission. I think it's almost all well-meaning people who lie by omission. Sure. I'm not saying that that criticism doesn't exist in a lot of places. No, that's the problem. This is just ironic from him. Exactly. That's the problem with it.

And that's, again, what their secret power is, is that, yeah, they've got a point. So this, that is one of the big reasons. This is going to sort of be a thread that goes throughout the rest of this interview. And I thought that this idea of outlying biomission is something that implicateser particularly and makes this interview interesting. Yeah. But also, he declares how cool Joe Rogan is. Of course. Joe Rogan deserves the credit for creating an entire new genre of podcasting from which

I'm benefiting. So I'm grateful to Joe Rogan. I mean that. Plus, I love Joe Rogan anyway. But he did that single-handedly. I guess we're both beneficiaries of it. He created this thing. It didn't exist before. It's an amazing thing.

And, you know, if the world were fair, then everyone in the media would be tipping a hat to him. Like, did you invent the newspaper? Did you invent radio? Did you invent television? I don't think so. Joe Rogan essentially invented podcasting. I mean, he made it clear to everybody else

that this could both have an effect and be a real business. You know, you know, who thought that would be true? He proved it. Rogan didn't invent podcasting even by a wide interpretation of that definition. There were existing podcasting businesses before Rogan. And really, when it's all said and done, the innovation that Rogan had in terms of podcasting is the refinement of reveling in idiocy. Coast to Coast AM existed before Rogan and it reveled in a lot of the same dumb waters. You can take some trippy nonsense that you can't really explain like Bigfoot and then talk to someone who pretends to be a scholar about that stuff and then have your mind blown by the fact that you can't really disprove

the stuff they're saying. It sometimes creates interesting thoughts and it's fun content but when it's treated as more important than that, you get into trouble. And that's what Rogan's done. He's taken rolling around in shit seriously, and because he's a cool comedian with cool comedian friends, he's been able to translate that into the media empire that he now runs. He's become so rich and famous that he's able to get whatever guest he wants on the show, and he's able to use the platform as a bully pulpit for whatever Poorly thought-through thing he's he's been dealing with that week or whatever's on dipshit social media

You can get outraged about how kids have litter boxes at schools. Yeah, because he's a stupid dumb fuck who Takes it too seriously This is what I was thinking about when I was when I was reflecting on what Tucker is saying about Rogan Yeah, yeah, if Marc Maron had wanted to do this he could have he had the opportunity and that he was at the right time Yes to have pulled it off. Yes, and I think that he just wasn't that guy I think he's smarter, which is why he couldn't pull it off well, maybe because he's also more self-critical and and would Well, maybe because he's also more self-critical and and would probably sabotage it along the way Because now he's kind of his not allowing himself to revel in this level of bullshit, right?

But then I was thinking about it. I'm like Jeff Probst could have done this sure like if he wanted to start a podcast at some point Mm-hmm. We could be living in a reality where Jeff Probst was Joe Rogan Yeah, I think I would even argue that if you want to say Rogan is a thing, then Howard Stern invented podcasting. Sure. You know what I mean? Like, Rogan's just doing that in Rogan way. Yeah. And I think Howard Stern had a much larger uphill climb in terms of

totally not letting him do the freeform kind of stuff that he wanted to write if anybody pioneered what Rogan did By making it into the mainstream Howard Stern pushed this concept out there and then allowed for an independent media to ape it sure Yeah, and then even before him you had father. Coghlin. There you go Sure. Yeah. And then even before him, you had Father Coughlin. There you go. It goes, I mean, I wouldn't put those two in the same. I wouldn't put those two in the same basket. It's free speech. I'm not saying they're in completely different baskets, but I wouldn't put them in the same basket. Well, and then even like more to the point,

Rogan could, you could trace some of this, like we're having a long form interview thing. I'd be like, this is kind of what people were doing on like shortwave radios and like, yeah, there was a whole AM radio kind of thing that existed long before Rogan. And I don't know, maybe, yeah, you can't maybe Tucker just doesn't understand. You can't just say about a popular person because the whole thing would come crumbling down if you just say like oh It was it was just timing and luck and the vagaries of culture and here we are There's no other explanation for it It's a large piece of the puzzle

Yeah, and he was on news radio and fear factor and he had called out Carlos Mancia at a time when YouTube was really like in its infancy Whatever if he hadn't have done it someone else would have filled those It was like propst. Yeah, it would have been like the universe had a hole in it You know like like if it weren't for the Beatles somebody else would have done Beatles things, right? If they may they may have made different music or whatever But the time was right for fucking four assholes to become the most popular thing on the earth Do you ever see that movie where the Beatles music doesn't exist?

No, I have not and then the guy starts playing Beatles songs because he remembers and no one else does my god I never saw it. I saw the trailer. Oh, anyway, the media is dead sure and they died because of corruption that Okay, if there's a lesson of what happened to television and Newspapers and you know legacy media is they died because they were corrupt I mean the business models changed etc. etc. There are ways to you can they won't evolve like the people who work at NBC News will not have careers in journalism 10 years from now and the reason they won't is not because of technology it's because they have no credibility because they're corrupt they're liars so that's really the lesson

corruption kills you especially in a business predicated on trust which is the media. Don't emulate that. Don't be corrupt. And there are people on social media, influencers on both sides, and we're learning more about it now, posts on who took money in order to endorse certain people or ideas.

That's corrupt. I mean, look, I take advertising, I think you do too. It's okay to say, I'm being paid to promote this product And by the way, I like is it whatever you say, but it's very clear you're being paid to promote something It secretly promoting things for money is You know, maybe you make you know a decent living doing that but over time it devalues your currency and makes people not believe you Not trust you. Why would they and there was some of that in this last cycle. And I hope the people who

did it will just admit that they did it and be very open about it. And I hope it's not like a story we find out about in five years and all of a sudden, you know, people don't trust us anymore. So in 2023, when Tucker was setting up his new company after getting the boot from Fox, he got funding from a firm called 1789 Capital, which is run by an anti-woke businessman named Amid Malik. Incidentally, last month it was announced that Donald Trump Jr. is becoming a partner of 1789 Capital, joining Malik and

Rebecca Mercer. How about that? According to Reuters, quote, the idea for 1789 Capital began at a secretive conservative donor group Rockbridge Network, which was co-founded by Buskirk and VP-elect JD Vance. When Tucker launched his first sponsor was an anti- app called public square SQ public SQ whose board of directors includes 1789 capital founder Omead Malik. How about that? Seems cool and no big deal that this company gave Tucker $15 million.

That does not call my ability to trust him into question at all. Is he lying by omission by not discussing? The show is brought to you by 1789 Capital on every show. By the murderer of millions of people all over, Mercer, yeah, yeah. The Mercer family is behind this and also now Donald Trump Jr., the son of the president, who I am sycophantically talking about

how he can digest fast food, is on the board of this company that gave me $15 million. Feels corrupt. Go fuck off. One of the president, who I am sycophantically talking about how he can digest fast food, is on the board of this company that gave me 15 million dollars. Feels corrupt. Go fuck off. Feels corrupt. There's problems. Sure, on the larger scale of the media, pharmaceutical ads, whatever.

That's a real complaint and what have you, but go fuck yourself, Tucker. This is shameful. Yeah. You know, here's what I was just thinking. All right. You know how I've said in the past, like what I want is a mirror that forces these people to see them true selves. But then, you know, just listening to that, maybe the the power of being a true out and out psychopath, like straight up psychopath is that you can look into that mirror. Yes, you can see it perfectly.

Yes. And all you have to do is describe it and people will think other people are, you're talking about other people. I don't think that Tucker is, would be able to speak these ways and about this if he hadn't looked into the mirror and been fine with it. Well, no. I don't think revealing his true self is going to be that potent of a thing. I mean, I would even... No, that's what I'm trying to say is that he actually can see his true self. And because he can see his true self, he can describe it so accurately and make you think he's talking about somebody else.

But in reality, he's just describing a mirror and he can see it perfectly. And you can't believe anyone would say these things about themselves Yeah, the demon that attacked him is himself totally. Yeah. Yeah wild. So Tucker he just wants you know, like Corruptions one thing sure, but you don't even want to have the appearance of corruption like taking 17 It was 15 million. Okay 1789 cap 1789 capital only gave him 15 million. Oh, okay. 1789 capital. 1789 capital. Only gave him 15 million? Why are you not giving him 17.89 million? God damn it!

It really is small potatoes when you think about it. God damn it! Yeah. It makes a lot of sense, and that's what I worry about for independent media. We are, as you know, especially in the right, we're under enormous pressure already from these censors. Yes. If you're broadcasting on YouTube, you're already, you know, up against it.

We're, every day in our live stream, I see some people saying, we don't even receive notifications when you go live. YouTube doesn't tell us you're going live. You're suppressed, you're suppressed, you're suppressed. So we know, we know we are. We're already up against it. And now you're gonna,

now you're gonna layer on this additional level of like, corruption, and you're gonna, I don't wanna to layer on this additional level of like corruption and you're going to I don't say it's corrupt. It's just immoral really to to say that you you're I love Kamala Harris. I love Kamala Harris and you guys got to go out and vote for her and I'm not going to tell my audience that I received you know tens of thousands of dollars from her or the same on the Trump side. They're not going to say that.

And I don't know, by the way, I don't know how widespread that is, but if even the suspicion arises that people are not telling the truth because they're paid to, they're being paid to lie, I think that's incredibly cruel. I don't think, I know, because I just exited 30 years in that business. That's very corrosive. So I hope that that is not happening in any widespread way. And I hope that it ends because I mean, more than anything, I would much rather be wrong. I have been wrong a million times, including about big things, but I don't want to be honest and I don't want to be seen as dishonest.

I both for my own reasons of integrity, but also because that like, why would anyone watch you if you're a liar? Like no one wants to watch a liar. It's not worth your time. Everyone wants to watch a liar. I mean, I don't I don't know how to I don't know how to describe all of humanity more than everyone wants to watch a liar. Yes. I don't understand how the history even happens without everyone wants to watch a liar a liar is more interesting like war of the worlds is a lie Essentially the way that it's broadcast sure sure and that's change that changed the world That is entertaining on a level that is That we want the lies are interesting. There's nowhere to there's nowhere There's nowhere to go if somebody says something so bald-faced untrue as no one wants

to watch a liar. If Alex had to tell the truth, his show would be the most boring, stupid thing in the world. It's only interesting because of the flights of fancy that are lies. Tucker only can do any of this shit because he's lying constantly. It's pathetic. I think that there's such an essential piece that is like someone is lying to you about honesty and that is crazy. I don't know. It makes you feel nuts.

It is, you know, there's, but it is that classic like, hey, if you can, you know, honesty is everything. If you can fake that, you've got it made, that kind of thing, you know? You get 15 million. Yeah. I'm still mad about, here's what I was looking at, because we were watching Chopped, right? Prize money is still 10K.

Yeah. That, when they started, now is worth 15K. So essentially, the prize money is decreased by a third over time. It feels the same way about bribe money I hadn't considered that 15 million isn't that much to bribe somebody with well It's I mean, I don't think that's all he's gotten sure sure But I mean like I am I hate the Mercer's even more for depressing the bribe cost

Hmm, they're just they're depressing the bribe market. I think that also maybe some of the images of other bribes you're inflating. I think that maybe 15 million is a lot of fucking money. Not as much as it used to be and that's what I'm saying. I'm saying that the bribe's in my day. Right. You go to the grocery store. I'm telling you, inflation is a problem. 15 million won't buy you eggs.

For $3 I get milk and for $15 I get two milks? Crazy. So anyway, when people are lying and they're getting all this money, you kind of feel it. Tucker Tucker lets you know. Sure. Sure. If we find out, and again, I haven't even heard this story, and if this is, you know a lot more than I do, I will say that 100%.

And your sources are phenomenal, so I will say that. But if we find out that the RNC or somebody from some super PAC related to Trump was paying off conservative YouTubers or rumble people or something like that, I think that would be deeply disturbing on that side too, not just on the person who accepted the money, but it would raise a lot of questions for me

on the backside, I guess. I'd have to really wrestle with that and sit with and think with that, because my immediate reaction would be bothered by it. It'd be your pillow. But maybe not. Like if I sat with it for a while, I'd be like, well, maybe it's any different

than some other television ad. But I don't know. I think I would be bothered by it. I think I'm bothered. Yeah. And I know evidence, no evidence that that has happened at all. But I just think it's important to keep in mind that purity of spirit is detectable by others. People know who's being honest, who's saying something,

because I really believe this, that's why I'm saying it. And I think people can feel that. So Tucker wants you to trust the gut here, because he can manipulate the gut so much easier than the brain. Purity of spirit you can just feel. Go, go fly a kite. Get out of here.

Also, it's really important to note that the elephant in the room here is that a bunch of Tucker's associates just got caught taking huge amounts of money from a Russian government front called Tenet Media. Sure. This is part of what these dudes are dancing around rationalizing here and not wanting to address head on.

Maybe. Funny story, the folks at Tenet Media didn't initially want to post Tucker's video where he's amazed at the Russian supermarket because they said it was quote, like overt shilling. On the nose. These people who were literally taking millions from the Russian supermarket because they said it was quote like overt shilling on the nose these people who were literally taking millions from the Russian government they thought Tucker's work was a little tacky that's what he's working with I mean hey that'll happen you feel that in your gut I like it I like it when a guy very honestly says something that if you don't think about Harry honestly says something that if you don't think about the whole thing, you will not understand it.

But essentially, what that guy just said is, if I did this corrupt thing, I would really have to think about it. I'd get over it. But it'd really make me feel bad for a while. And you're like, you just said you don't care. Right. Yeah. If I took a huge amount of money from these,

you know, sort of corrupt influences. Is it really just like a regular TV ad? I think it is. I think I could rationalize that. I think I could get over it. Yeah. Yeah. No shit, you could. What are you talking about in this conversation

where you're like, you gotta trust people? You took $4.5 million in finding fees from this weird real estate scam thing. You know what's crazy? What? That reinforces my belief that I could get over it. Yeah, I think I'll be all right. So there's a litmus test for leadership.

Sure. And it's whether fast food. No, it has to do with Ukraine. I don't know how to the degree to which this is understood, but I will say it. A war with Iran is a world war. This is not 2002. Iran is now part of a coalition that includes the biggest economies in the world and the largest militaries in the world. So a war with Iran means a war in effect or by proxy, but still a war with Russia, China,

Turkey, and a lot of the rest of the world. So that's a world war. It's not just as simple as, we're gonna take out their nuclear facilities. Okay, how are you gonna do that? And how are you going to ensure that that doesn't destroy the United States in the process? And of course, they don't care

whether it destroys the United States. That's the actual answer, they don't care. And if they cared, they would pause and think about it. But anyway, I don't wanna be bitter about it. But to me, it's really simple. Anybody who would even consider having a war with Russia or Iran should not be in any position of power at all in this administration or any other administration. It's super simple.

And I think especially Ukraine is so obvious. Now, there is some debate on Iran, and I'm not, of course, I'm not endorsing Iran, I'm not a Shiite, but there's really no debate at this point about the debacle that has been Ukraine. Ukraine's not going to win, it's just completely destroyed Ukraine, it hasn't crushed Russia, it's really hurt the United States. So anyone who can't say that out loud should not have a job in the federal bureaucracy. So that's witness test is not about people or personality of course i know them all is i know you do too and i i like a lot of my even like some of the guys i disagree with

uh... one in particular i like very much nice guy good guy it's just a it's a simple practical test for whether or not you should will power to the requisite wisdom to lead my country and if you're still defending the war in uk power. Do you have the requisite wisdom to lead my country? And if you're still defending the war in Ukraine, you do not have the requisite wisdom to lead my country. That's my opinion. That's a good litmus test.

We should start there. That's like the basic, that's a good, the kindergarten test. Do you support this? Yes! Exactly, exactly. It's quite a litmus test. Did you learn about that at the grocery store?

I'm a little bit. I'm a little bit What would I say? offput hmm by the Phrasing if you defend the war in Ukraine, right as though as though the position that he's taking is not you should annex Ukraine. You should accede to Putin. And the position other people are taking is

Ukraine has to invade Russia, otherwise we'll never win. You know, like it's a fascinating defend the Ukraine war. It's a form of lying by omission. Sure. You're omitting real positions. Absolutely. In favor of pretending it's an argument between your side, which is peace, and the other side, which is I love war.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's maybe a kindergarten test is if you can see through that sort of fraudulent framing that these guys are engaged in. Oh yeah. But yeah, I don't think it's that much of a surprise to hear Tucker being like, my hardcore baseline issue is whether or not you support Putin taking over Ukraine.

I mean, I guess. If that's really, you know, there's a bigger part of me that thinks, what the fuck are you talking about? Yeah. From like a space perspective, what the fuck is Tucker Carl you talking about? Yeah from a from an even from like a space perspective What the fuck is Tucker Carlson talking about what good would? Yannick's and you crane have for him. Well, I think that Get to become a Duke. Mmm

I do crane. I think I'm gonna get out of here eventually. I think he would find Duke status All right, so I think that lying by omission is very present in this next clip where Tucker discusses how Satan is in charge of our government. All right, I'm listening. The Biden administration now has okayed anti-personnel mines to be used, something they've long said absolutely we won't use. These are basically a lot like the same pedal mines that are thrown into the ground in Donetsk and the Donbass region.

And children go to the playgrounds and they find these little pedal mines that look like leaves. They pick them up and their arms are blown off or they're killed. And the Biden administration was absolutely against this. This was their stance. And now suddenly within the past week, all of this has changed. So who the hell is running the White House? I mean, you've got again, I know you're humble about this, but you've got amazing sources there like Biden is not who is running the White House. Who is our de facto president? Is it Anthony Blinken right now? Is it Jake Sullivan? Who is doing this?

Well, if you'd asked me yesterday yesterday morning I would have said Tony Blinken who has been running it since the beginning but now I would say Satan because anybody I really think that you've got you know dark forces in charge I mean there's no there's no justification for using anti-personnel minds in this conflict which we can't hope to be solved with anti-personnel minds in this conflict, which we can't hope to be solved with anti-personnel minds resolved in any way. The only effect of that move is to kill in a sense, period. That's it. That's the only effect, and they know that.

And so they're doing it anyway, because killing is the point. I think that you could very easily probably find me in the past saying that the Iraq war was evil. You know, like in 2007 or something, I might have said, you know, Cheney is evil. Sure. I probably would have. I wouldn't have said that Satan is in charge of the government and there's dark forces. Sure. I would have been using this as a metaphor, right? I don't think the Tucker is. Right.

But also it's great to be opposed to landmines. I think that they're a horrible thing that exists in war, and I think that we probably shouldn't use them for a lot of the very reasons that Tucker is describing. Sure. A lot of times they get left behind and they generally hurt civilians. Sure. But Tucker is lying by omission, but not acknowledging that Russia has extensively laid out landmines in the war against Ukraine.

And it's not even a member of the anti-personnel mine ban convention. Like Russia is one of the great land miners. He's lying by omission because not acknowledging that fact serves his interests. Point the finger at Ukraine putting out land mines and pretend that the side that he actually supports is like not doing the same stuff he says is satanic. That's ridiculous. And the only reason to do that is lying by omission. All right. Yeah. So there've been, I would say at least six governments over the past several thousand years, right? At least six.

I think so. Probably more. I would take the over. Do you, does Tucker believe that you can actually trace the lineage of Satan's governing patterns all the way back? Or is this the first time Satan has tried running a major nation? Well, I want to answer this in a playful way. Okay. But I think he's talking shit.

Okay, well that's fair. So I don't know if there's an actual answer to this. Fair. And here's one of the reasons why I think that. Okay. Because he said that yesterday he would have said Anthony Blinken was in charge, but today he says Satan. It does feel like tomorrow he might say Tony Blinken again. Or he got attacked by a demon again last night. Entirely possible. Last night something happened.

Entirely possible. Changed it from Blinken to Satan. It could be. Yeah. So, I don't know, maybe he's just really overcommitted to some of this imagery and this language because he's a desperate shithead who's trying to sell anti-woke tobacco.

Yeah, yep. Anyway, he tweeted not too long agoithead who's trying to sell anti-woke tobacco. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, he tweeted not too long ago about how there's a battle between good and evil. And Tucker does not tweet that much. So this is a big deal, according to Clayton. You know, I think you tweeted the other day, I think you said something like, uh, the prayers of good people got Donald Trump elected two weeks ago. Wars with Russia and Iran are the counter attack and I know you don't post a lot on X like when you do never it's never

yeah I mean it's but it's very thoughtful and it's for a purpose right so when I saw that I sort of I just shook my head of thinking my god well if this is the counter attack who's the counter attack from I mean this is some dark force that's almost like you made it up undermine this first administration Right, I mean, and it's so evil. I mean have you ever seen an administration like this? No office

You try to drag the next administration into a world war. I mean I get what the Clintons did Leaving office they remove the W's from the keyboards for George W. Bush. Like, you know, like, I remember this is, this is, this is totally different. Well, and I look, I'm hardly a theologian. I'm on the opposite of the theologian. I don't understand really anything about theology, and really don't care to, but I just have noticed through years of observation that there is a kind of dual dualism is exactly the right word, but there is a

war in the unseen world between light and darkness, good and bad, it's been described by every civilization since the beginning of time, so I think we can assume it's real. Slam dunk. And you do see that expressions of good, manifestations of good are sometimes followed and vice versa by outbursts of evil And I don't think there's any other way to read that and by counter-attack in that tweet, which I wrote this morning I don't have my Twitter Password, so I you know sent it to my office and said please tweet this thought of it in my sauna this morning But I was like I was just brooding on it and saying prayers about it

I was like I think you know, I think Trump I don't know that Trump's like a super faithful Christian or anything, but I know a lot of very faithful Christians prayed for Trump. And I think it had an effect. I do. I think it was the determinative effect. I really believe that. And the counter-hack is promoting war for its own sake without any promise of any kind of meaningful victory, truly war for the sake of killing people, totally unadorned, no one's even pretending that we're gonna get democracy or something

if these missiles kill Putin. I mean, there's no argument even. It's like, no, we're killing because we can. That is the definition of evil. And if I could just say one thing that does distress me about American society is that not enough time has been spent thinking about how violence is bad.

Wow. That's thoughtful. Not enough time has been spent thinking violence is bad. Smash cut to Tucker announcing Alex on stage as the most remarkable, amazing human being that he's ever met in his life. Smash Cut again to Alex, pornographically describing, beating people up in holy vengeance. I mean, you could even just go to Smash Cut to 2005 and Tucker being like, video games are out of control with violence. Like, believe me.

Or him supporting the Iraq war. Absolutely. Him being a hawk For a good part of his career. Yeah, yeah Smash-cut to Trump talking about bombing the shit out of people. Yeah, like go fuck off Like I agree with your point, but it's not you him. No, no, no, I understand. So counterfeit Moab actually stood for a man of peace, but we don't use the PU instead. We use a B. It's a very long acronym But well, it's a different

character system. Yeah. Yeah whatever like I Get it. There's a lot of power in this like we prayed Trump into office and yeah, the devil is fighting back Yeah, but come on. I think I think one fundamental aspect of Tucker's particular loathsomeness is that He doesn't make arguments that make you angry so much as like I Very calmly want to fight you, you know, like oh, okay. So you want to fight. Okay, that's fine. That's fine. I just wish you had like not spoken because those were bad things that you said.

Yeah. Yeah. This. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what else to say. Let's punch each other. That's fine. I prefer that. I really do to listening to you speak. Yeah. This is, this is where you are trying to take this. Yeah, yeah, with Alex you're like, no, but with this you're like, okay, cool, cool, cool. And Alex really does also a lot of times feel like he wants to argue. Sure.

As much as he talks about how I'm gonna break your neck. Does not wanna actually get into a fight. Probably not. Could really get hurt. I think that there's a point. His knees are shit. He just wants to yell at you. Absolutely, and then he'll go away!

Whereas Tucker is like, I'm gonna have to hit you. Yeah, I just, sorry man. I don't even feel good about it. So now I think that there's this very interesting alliance between Alex and Tucker because of convenience. And because Tucker wants to cash in on Alex's status as a prophet or whatever the fuck he's doing. And Alex has very little options in terms of people who will respect him and take him seriously who have a wide reach. Under five.

Tucker works for that. Yeah. So I'm fascinated by instances that I see where it's like they would come to blows over this. Sure, sure, sure, sure. And this is definitely one of them. Violence is bad. And by the way, if you're a Christian, it's not allowed. It's super obvious from, I mean, you don't need to be a theologian to glean that from

the New Testament. You're not allowed to do that. Jesus is being hauled away to be tortured to death on false charges. And you know, one of his guys raises a sword against one of the people carrying him away, dragging him off to get tortured to death. And Jesus scolds the man with the sword, who's doing it on his behalf. Just put that away. And so we are not allowed to commit violence against people,

except I would argue maybe in a self-defense scenario. But certainly not so powerful. I mean, I could get over it. Or because we're annoyed, or because we don't like a certain president or something it's like it's nuts and because not enough people say that it goes unquestioned Alex believes that sort of righteous holy violence is sanctioned by the Bible and Jesus said go get your sword sell your cloak and get a sword kick ass yeah so the two of them are fundamentally opposed and the way that they interpret violence I mean it helps the Tucker doesn't believe

a fucking word of that no it does help it does help smooth over the argument if you can if you can immediately go I'm a liar right and that's kind of part of the point yeah of why it comes to blows. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, exactly exactly. It's like you don't believe a fucking word. Yeah. Yeah, yeah I I I'm loathe to say that Alex believes what he's saying cuz a lot of the time he is full of shit and No, no, no, no, he doesn't believe what he's saying, but he believes something which is strange. Yeah, it's confusing Mm-hmm. I'm confused by him with Tucker. Oh, there's no confusion. No, I get this I'm confused by him with Tucker. Oh, there's no confusion. I get this Buddy I understand through you you're not crazy enough to pull this off Tucker No, no, no, no, no, tell me you were attacked by a fucking demon. Get the fuck out of here

Toilet. Yeah, fuck you nerd. Yeah. Anyway, they start complaining about Tammy Duckworth Why not? Well, cuz she was a woman in the military. Hey, what are you going to do? And I think this is quite revealing. Like CNN last week when they hauled out Tammy Duckworth to talk about the virtues of putting women in combat. Like I don't think that's the flex you thought it is. You know, when all of Tammy Duckworth's limbs have been destroyed as a result of combat and CNN's like, see?

Women can't, this is why we want to send women to be maimed in combat. Did they really do that? Oh yeah. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. Like, that was the argument against when... I don't know who said it. I think it was Matt Gaetz said women should not be in combat. I think it was a response to Matt Gaetz saying, look, we should be protecting... I've said, and I tweeted out, I said we should be protecting, I've said and I tweeted out, I said we should be protecting our women, not sending them to the front lines of these wars. And CNN trotted Tammy Duckworth out to say, see, this is why you should. It was unbelievable.

It is unbelievable. And I agree with, I think what you said is the truest thing. It's not that women aren't brave or capable. Of course they're brave like I've got a whole business, women are into, I mean, I have three daughters, I couldn't be more for women, I couldn't respect their talents more. Bet you could. But my obligation as a man is to protect the women of my life, that's why I'm here.

And if we have a country, then the whole purpose of the military is to prevent our women from being killed and raped. That's the only reason we have a military. Okay, are women, oh boy. Are we monkeys? Are we monkeys? Like straight up, like just answer the question, That's the only reason we have a military. Okay are women are we? Like straight up like just answer the question answer the question are we monkeys the only reason you're here is to protect The fucking womb what are we doing? Yeah, the military is here to protect the breeding stone

Military I guess make more rooms. What are we doing? Well? I think he wants that too What are you even saying it's it's really weird to just have it be this open like the conversation that they're having And and there doesn't seem to be a problem for them like there's no there's no like ah This is strange that we believe this and have this possessiveness and, and look, I have a business. I respect women. What are you saying? I don't know. What does that even mean? I respect women. Define respect women if also it includes- I'll make choices for them. See, there we go. For their own good because they can't make those choices. Exactly. Because I'm protecting them. Yeah. They don't know what's good for them. Okay. So you want to fight? Okay, that's fine.

That's fine. That's all you needed to say. So now here's what I think is really fascinating beyond the rank chauvinism of that clip. He starts, Clayton starts off the clip talking about how they trotted out Tammy Duckworth to talk about how great women are in the military and she has no limbs and you know, like, there's that.

And it's kind of like disgusting, but this is where he's starting off the premise. They trotted her out in order to sort of promote women in the military. She's the prop because they made her that. Not me. I didn't make her the prop. Well, but here's the thing. As they're talking, Tucker's like, did they really do that? Did they really do that?

And then it's revealed that what actually happened is Matt Gates said that women shouldn't serve in combat Yeah, and this was Tammy Duckworth coming out to respond to Matt Gates saying this misogynist thing Sure about how we need to protect women for their own good. She couldn't possibly have made that choice by herself No, no, but see you see the way that it's revealed oh, what I'm talking about is actually Matt Gates said something and it's being responded to by somebody. Not the out of nowhere and without context, Tammy Duckworth was trotted out on CNN. But what Tucker ends up responding to is the original idea that Tammy Duckworth was trotted out on CNN in order to glorify women being in combat. He responds to the original premise, even though the original premise as presented has been shown to be lying by omission.

Yeah. And that's interesting. It is it is very much one of those pure examples of like, ah, you fucked up. You shouldn't have engaged. Matt Gaetz did this on purpose. So you would do that. And now it's bullshit. You shouldn't have engaged Matt Gates did this on purpose, so you would do that and now it's bullshit you fool He doesn't even believe that women shouldn't serve in the military. He's just talking shit I think or maybe it does

Yeah, exactly so Tucker goes on a little bit further Yeah down his misogyny hole here, And I'm blown away by this. Okay. If we have a country, then the whole purpose of the military is to prevent our women from being killed and raped. That's the only reason we have a military. And so if instead we're asking women

to fight our wars for us, that's grotesque and dishonorable. And so it's not a question of women's rights, it's a question of men's obligations as men, as protectors and providers. That's our job. Now, I know we're living in a period where we question of men's obligations as men, as protectors and providers. That's our job. Now, I know we're living in a period where we can pretend that's not our job, and your wife's got a job at Citibank, and she's a provider, whatever, but this is just a moment in time.

This is just a spot on a continuum, and that is not the rule. Biology doesn't suggest that that's true. It's not real. Over time, people will look back on this and say, boy, those people talk themselves into some seriously destructive nonsense. But most destructive of all is the idea that, you know, I'm gonna sit back and let the women in my house fight a war. Are you joking? If I have a home invasion in my house, do I say to my wife, you know what, I got the last one. Will you will you repel the invaders? See, because I think what it is, is that he can cram so many reasons to start a fight

into one sentence. Yeah. You know, and you're like, dude, no, no, no, no, no, why are you, what, no, no, no, no, the first eight words you said, we're done. You're still talking. Well, I think there's something swing worthy about this Like we let women fight our wars because you know there's a R is a word that does not include women No, apparently yeah, the us. Yeah is not them. The us is middle-aged white men. Yeah

I mean, it's a it's an interesting glimpse into like how like fundamentally chauvinist he views the natural order. Yeah. There is a there's a sense that we'll look back on this time when we pretended that women had jobs and that was cute and we'll look back on that as a delusion of time and like okay man. Wow. I don't know if I've ever more accurately used the word bewildered, but that bewildered

me. Sure. You know? I mean, it's a small step from this to like the road that leads to the Handmaid's Tale. I mean, just keep them in birthing chambers. Say it and let's move on with our lives I want to see them once a day whenever we fuck and then once whenever they throw a baby out and then put them back In their hole and then I'll Fantasize about protecting them. Yeah. Yeah, I've saved them. Oh my god keeping them in a hole that keeps them safe cool

Oh my god. Yes It's I think the reason why, um, it's, okay, I think the reason that you feel the desire to fight is because Tucker exists enough in the real world that, like, it feels like he's touching on real things. With Alex, there's like, there's no chance we're ever gonna have agreement and you are Just some kind of crazy off in the middle of no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You go to Bilderberg Why are we gonna fight about the globalist you're in Spain or whatever who cares? Yeah, where is Tucker like it? The the harm that he's advocating and it feels so much realer

Yeah, and it feels so much closer to power in a way that, like, that respectability bridge is visible with Tucker. With Alex, it's not. Alex is disconnected enough from, like, the real levers of power where he's like, I made all the staffing decisions with Trump's first term. It's like, no, you didn't, fuck off. Fine, yeah.

You had some influence in whatever way downstream and culture and all of this. And yes, you're, you're, you're toxic. Yeah. But whatever. Tucker actually feels like, well, you probably could get people hired and fired in the White House. Yeah, buddy, we got to do this. Sorry. Sorry. Yeah. I don't want to be here any more than you do. And yet here we are. Fisticuffs is about to begin. So in this next clip, Tucker talks about Antifa.

Sure. Gotta worry. Yeah. They've been suspicious. I haven't heard of their absence. I haven't heard of Antifa being a problem since the media stopped making them a problem. Well, here's the truth of it all is that There were more convenient boogeymen for the right wing Yeah, and so they kind of got less interested in yeah and anti-fascist types and and the real sort of left-wing

organizing and you would think with the number of sleeper cells and Assassins that the Antifa armies were claimed to have you would want to keep an eye on sure sure and that polled well and a lot of numbers when it did but like immigrants and stuff like that that's pushing the needle a little more moving more product yeah they've been complaining mostly about that yeah but Tucker's like hey man they've been around they haven't been around for a while and maybe they weren't even real. Why don't they talk about credit card debt? You know last thing I'll say Antifa which was

you know of course laid dormant during the entire four years of Biden because they are the sounds true you know the youth wing of the Democratic Party maybe they'll be mobilized again but they were always like we're so radical we're Antifa and I always thought to myself if we're so radical, we're Antifa. And I always thought to myself, if you're really radical, why are you never mentioning the fact that credit card companies are charging 20% interest? You know, they're always radical,

like we hate white people, or you know, we hate any group that's not voting for the Democratic Party. No, they hate whites because they're not voting Democrat, that's why they hate whites. Now they're gonna hate Hispanics, because Hispanics aren't either. I hope Hispanics are ready to be denounced. But they never said a word about the actual power in this country and the banks are at the very top of that pyramid. The people who live off the

interest that you pay, that enslaves you. No one ever mentioned that. The radicals never mentioned that. Not one time. This is absolutely not true. And what he's actually expressing is the caricature that I reported on of these people never included this thing. Isn't that interesting? The complaint that I think they should have, they didn't have, because I was demonizing them as cartoons who just hate white people. So that's fun. In general, if I recall correctly, their conversations with the media tended to be please don't talk to us You're bad as opposed to we should be concerned about credit card debt well, but I also think that there were plenty of critiques

within you know anti-fascist circles of Predatory credit cards well you can't you can't be anti-capitalism And also at the same time be like well credit card should absolutely be able to charge the amount of interest that they desire Right. Yeah, that's just not how it works So essentially what happened is that when Tucker was spending a lot of time yelling about antifa He was lying by omission by not talking about what these groups actually were and what they believed in because it was much more by not talking about what these groups actually were and what they believed in, because it was much more advantageous for him to create this this boogeyman of, hey, they just hate white people,

bah, they're the youth arm of the Democratic Party, bah. So he lied by omission to create that that caricature. Yeah. And now he's looking back at the caricature that he created by lying by omission and then lying by omission about that. That's fun. It is. That's just fun. That's just good plain fun. Swingin'. I mean, hey, you know, like, there's a part of me that sits like a monk in a temple, just

very calm and relaxed saying, you know, like, your words can't actually hurt me. I really don't care. But at the same time, I did spend a lot of time training in martial arts. So let's kill two birds with one stone, you know? I'm not going to let your words hurt me and I'm going to get a workout in. Done and done. Yeah. I do think that you and Tucker should box for charity. I would question whether or not charity should be associated with what might happen. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Well, that's why you gotta find a cool charity. The Red Cross isn't gonna do it. So Tucker, of course, the subject of aliens comes up. And this is interesting. I'll get you out of here on this, and I would be remiss if I didn't ask you this because back in the day When you and I were sitting there on Fox and Friends couch and talking for three hours four hours a day in commercial breaks And having coffee you and I would often talk about

UFOs uaps and and and all of this stuff And I was a crazy person of course so I you know and but you had this hearing, of course, the other day. And we're past the point, yes, aliens exist, whatever. We have reverse engineered their craft. We have these materials. We know this now. That's on the congressional record. We have this stuff.

Like, let's move the conversation beyond that. I want to ask you about zero point energy and these technologies that I think this government has in their possession, I think it's verifiable. It's verifiable? That instantaneous travel. I think it's one of the greatest cover-ups in human history that we don't have access to this technology. Sure would be. Sure would be. Are you hopeful at all that these members of Congress, Nancy Mace and others are going

to be able to timber shed and others are going gonna be able to pull this out of these deep these deep programs and release it? Like what's your when you're when you're in the smoky filled rooms what are you hearing about this? Well no I'm not at all hopeful I mean hopeful I'm not at all hopeful. I mean, hopeful. I'm not at all confident. One of the members—I don't want to betray secrets, but one of the—and I think this is correct—the members of Congress you just mentioned—I won't say which—pushed hard on the UAP disclosure act of 2022, which has never kind of been enacted. And as a result, was primaried by his own party, which is, you know, the kind of maximum punishment in electoral politics.

So there is a massive, we cannot overstate the effort in place to prevent disclosure. And the question really is why? Why? Now, I got lost in a little bit of a fantasy while I was listening to this. Sure. Where this guy Clayton is like, all right all right look there's aliens. Let's grow up Yeah, let's be adults. Come on. We're all we're all capable of learning. We all know yeah Would you like to buy a house on the cheap? I'm gonna flip Yes, I do Yes, I do sir sky is just cool and credible is the way that I get like the vibe that I get off him is just cool and credible. Is the way that I get, like the vibe that I get off him is just great.

You know what I hate is that for all the things that these people we've listened to them lie about, I 100% believe that he believes there is instantaneous travel somewhere. Probably. I 100% guarantee that that is a core belief of his his and that makes me even angrier. And I think that Tucker's response to the question as it goes on is kind of like, eh, it's complicated. You know, like it just, maybe no one's making any money off this or whatever, but these, these technologies are suppressed because it would get messy. It gets complex. What do you do? What are you going to do? Right. Yeah. We can't be jumping

into the same spot. Yeah. Come on. It'd be disruptive. There you go. What do you do? What are you going to do? Right. We can't be introducing that into the economy. No way. Come on. It'd be disruptive too much. Absolutely. Yeah. So we have one last clip talking about this alien subject.

Sure. And it begins with Tucker kind of having a hacky standup premise. Great. And then going real wide with it. Uh-oh. Can I ask you a question? Can I ask you a question? So there is this process of

recovering of these craft, whatever they are, right? Right. And the so-called biologics that reside within supposedly. And I'm sure you're aware of this. So how exactly are there so many crashed UAPs? What is that? They have the technology to travel 150 knots underwater, but they somehow crash a lot? I mean, it doesn't kind of make any sense. They just have a bad the that these recoveries have been the result of the summoning of these crafts. I hate you. I hate you so much. The summoning of these crafts. So if you're summoning, what does that even mean? Good question.

You're talking about a phenomenon that exists in the spiritual realm. I mean, that's more like a seance than a science expedition, right? Right. It doesn't make it any less real, by the way. Woof. So yeah, I think there's something really fun about, uh, what's up with all these UFOs crashing? They got such great handling, they're so fast in all this and they crash.

Come on. I like that as, like, a kind of bad stand-up bit. Sure. Um, and then the, I think it's because they're being summoned is a real disaster That's a real disaster. I mean People are doing they're talking to a Ouija board and a UFO shows up. I Don't I don't know. I just don't know

I don't even know what it means to combine all of these dumb things within the same context. I think it's a summoning. Okay, fine. You think it's a summoning. Why is your summoning so bad? How is that not a plot hole here? Sure.

The summoning, it ends up in a crash. Get better at your summoning. Right. What are you doing? If you're summoning these things, presumably they could land. Absolutely. You wouldn't have to crash. If I understood my magic history correctly, alchemists would try to summon things within a circle on the floor. Not like up in the... Let me rebut. Yeah, okay. Okay. Maybe the summon is an attack. So maybe you're wanting them to crash because that neutralizes a force that you couldn't okay if they were allowed to land

All right. All right. So maybe that's the explanation. I am willing to accept that fine. Yeah, I'll take it I'll take any explanation beyond whatever it was. He said but then I have to ask the question Don't why is our government using tax dollars to do this these aliens are minding their own business And then we're summoning them into a crash. Next question. How is our government using tax dollars to summon things? Well, it all comes back to money, doesn't it? Do we have a university where people are taught alchemical summoning? Yeah, and it's presided over by Elon Muscle Door or whatever the fuck his name was.

In that stupid AI video. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's what we deserve. You know what? We deserve this. R.F.K.

Jr. teaches potions. This is what we've earned. We earned it. I feel like we should be more proud about how terrible we are because this is this is Yeah, yeah, yeah, there is an achievement there. So I think that I'm drawn to this a little bit sure because I think that Tucker is Definitely a more interesting media presence right now than Alex's agreed and then also This is wacky This is capturing a little bit of that wacky Wednesday energy that we need it

It is and I think that I think that it's definitely not Punching down. Oh, Tucker is one of the most famous people in the world true And he's talking about utter bullshit and crazy nonsense with a straight face, and he's been attacked by a demon Yep, this guy This fucking guy If he could edit, it would save me a lot of guff. I just would like a more condensed version of 16 different stupid things in a row. Maybe just four, maybe just four.

Maybe we can handle four stupid things in a row. But when he's on number eight and you're like, you've got two more sentences. I swear to God, I know you've got two more sentences. Just you know. Aliens are real. They're being summoned here. Women shouldn't have jobs. We can handle that.

Now we can talk. And you must oppose Ukraine. Now we can talk. We can have a conversation. Sorry, man. So anyway, this was an interesting little path to go down. I think it was. But we'll check back in with Alex, see if he's back in studio in the near future.

But until then, we have a website. Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the Mysterious Professor.

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