Knowledge Fight - Doing Dune: Dune (1984)

Episode Date: May 13, 2024

Due to public demand, the time has come for Jordan to walk Dan through one of his big fandoms and one of Dan's great blindspots: Dune.  In this installment, they discuss the somewhat confusing David Lynch film.

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like a special theme or something, but we just didn't plan ahead at all. You know, I think improv is a loose form of art. Sure. To some. Just yell Dune. So that is what we're doing. We're doing Dune with Dan. Doing Dune. That's the plan. I'm going to try not to rhyme any further. No I think I encourage it. So I don't know why but people have for quite a while kind of insisted that we talk about Dune. Yes.

Beyond, I suppose, you know, Alex is, I think it's almost like a connection that Alex and I have on like an evil hero villain kind of scale, you know? It's just a passion for Frank Herbert. Right, right, right. Yeah. It's like a spectrum, you know? Like I'm on the chaotic good, he's the chaotic evil, I guess. I don't know.

Sure, sure. Yeah. It is definitely something that the you two share and I have an entire blind spot for. I know that I read Dune when I was young, but I didn't get it and I don't remember it. I didn't retain any of it. Yeah.

I've never seen the movies. Just kind of, as I mentioned to you like I just picture desert and I just check out Fuck no, you don't do Ben her. No, I don't want a desert. It's too dry. I Don't like it. Yes Yeah, I think I think that's one of the interesting things about this is that There's almost a conversation that happens over your head sometimes whenever it's like, I think I know Alex is referencing Dune and

you don't. Definitely. Right. There's a lot of sci-fi context that I end up missing and just sort of taking as like, this guy's being a weirdo. Like, oh no, he just thinks he's living inside some sci-fi book that he read as a kid yeah, yeah, so we're gonna rectify that it's a problem that needs Need something something yeah at the very least what we wound up doing right now is we watched David Lynch's dude, right? That's we're doing David's doing with Dan mm-hmm. I almost got doughnuts

and David's dune with Dan mm-hmm. I almost got doughnuts and Honestly, I think the best place to start because we can't really take it as a whole Right as you kind of pointed out you had a first half of a movie where you kind of knew what was going on Well, you're getting ahead of yourself a little bit right so we watched dune we watched it Okay, maybe caught up We watched dune we watched it. Okay, baby caught up I mean there's really no way to kind of give a synopsis of dune especially with David Lynch's version because you know It's like half of the movie So I was kind of thinking what is your reaction to the first half of the movie just overall?

Um not the second half not the second half leave the second half into the let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay? Nonsense yeah Didn't if I'm looking at it just like from the standpoint of a movie I would leave that not knowing what the fuck I just seen I don't think I mean I think there's the bare bones of a story that are being told okay, but poorly sure Leaving out clearly a lot of connective tissue and detail You there's the demand that the audience do a lot of work. Oh, yeah So I found that to be unpleasant

But I do think that if I was a teen and I was smoking a lot of weed or something like that All right, it might blow my mind. Okay, it might especially like it looked like shit, but it's from 1984 Right, right, right. If you were in the 80s, it probably look great. Look amazing. Yeah that scene where Kyle McLaughlin and Patrick Stewart are fighting at the beginning with the shields Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah look like trash absolutely, but back then I would be like, holy shit I can't believe they were able to do this I can't believe they put Patrick Stewart in Squares, right? I don't know the first part first half of the movie. I'm assuming is like you're making the cutoff point when Paul gets to Arrakis or when he crash lands

After his dad dies, so that's the point where we've got our first half of the movie. Yeah where we begin by establishing that shits up Why because and this is a weird part that again David Lynch kind of makes this As as we talked about while we were watching it He kind of rearranges the book and rearranges the story. And then if you don't understand what's going on, he tries to explain it through voiceover as if they're in their heads. Now that of course makes it even more confusing. But it opens with the Emperor Shaddam meeting one of the tube guys.

I don't know if that name is ever said exactly in the in the movie I didn't I just knew I the powerful guy The Emperor's that like is fine, but he didn't to me didn't have a name and then he's reading he's meeting with some dude Who's a worm thing, but he's not a worm No, he's just some kind of a weird alien thing in a in a in a case Don't explain yes And he's very powerful this is worm

But not worm has power over the Emperor right and he's surrounded by a bunch of weirdos and goth outfits yes one of whom I noticed when the tube guy leaves one of the guys starts vacuuming up behind him just one of the guys one of the goth people who are surrounding this alien in a tank yeah as a vacuum yeah the picture the picture is this giant aquarium right yeah giant aquarium I would say so filled with let's you know later on we find out It's spice gas. We don't we know that I do know that from context. We don't know that from the movie

You'll never know that no no not even close, but it's it's gigantic It's like at least eight people across standing You know arm to arm like that and then 20 people long and as they're moving out the entire part is like leaking Juice sure and there's one guy on the edge who's kind of like vacuuming up But then there's seven guys worth of juice that they're just letting go yeah, and only one vacuum art It's absolutely not doing anything. No. It's it's almost like I Had in the moment at my thought was it was an actor's choice Yeah, it was a background extra who was trying to stand out

Yep, or second its passive aggressive in terms of the story sure like they're like we're gonna leave a mess We're gonna pretend we're trying to do something much of a flex exactly over. That's a power move on the Emperor I can see that none of this has anything to do with the story But these were the thoughts that were going through my head because I don't know who this fucking tank dude is. Right. I don't know what's going on. Right.

So he's like, Oh no, you got to kill Paul Atreides. Yes. There we go. Yeah. The beginning, the movie begins. Yes. So the weirdo in the tank is like, kill Paul. Right.

The reason that this, this whole scene is happening. All right. Is the Emperor is explaining the Paul right the reason that this this whole scene is happening. All right is the Emperor is explaining the plot of the movie. There's a conspiracy of foot straight up. He just out and out says it. They were like let's dispense with any kind of you know we'll just go out and say it. I am planning on sending this guy here to betray this guy. Then that guy's going to die. Now we're going right right now to spoil a little bit he spoils the movie well but about how things play out right my sense of it from the beginning was aha I will so there's this the Arrakis yeah planet spice sure on there this big up market

for spice doing the thing a lot of money Everybody wants it cool. Whatever. Yeah, I don't understand it. I tried to explain it doesn't make sense gotcha So anyway, he Baron Harkonnen this family. Yeah, they have control of Arrakis current right? Yes So the Emperor is going to put the Atreides family in charge of it Right, but then betray them and have Baron Harkonnen come in and take back over. Yeah, I get that right, but my perception of it was 20 years from now Baron Harkonnen will take back over it It'll be some kind of a long con right that gets the way that the movie made it feel not like I'm setting a trap for this person right right right

It does it does feel like they are Building a much more subterfuge based plan as opposed to just being like hey, he's gonna land boom Yeah, we're gonna fuck him up right. Yeah, that's the trick. He's gonna take a shit someday, and then we get him Yeah, it did it did it seemed like If this was the whole plan right you could have just killed the guy right I mean like you didn't need to go through all of this nonsense Right or two like kill this family right right right so that's where the book comes in I imagine you have to go through all this nonsense to kill a family. And he spends a lot of time

explaining it. So I'm guessing something that's missing from this is that it would set off some kind of allegiances and alliances and all kinds of things if the Emperor were to kill the Atreides. So you have to put it there to make it look like maybe something had gone wrong with Fremen or something like that something like that. Yeah, yeah, you have to false flag it Some I love that it took you about five seconds and a little bit of thought to get basically the idea I Well, I mean I'm forced to Right right because you couldn't have gotten it from the movie no no, but that's a good guess thanks. Yeah, so

You couldn't have gotten it from the movie. No. No. But that was a good guess. Thanks. So to flesh out the op- That actually brings me to my first note. Excellent. I was taking notes.

Don't film this movie. Well, that's just sort of behind all of it. That is that Spice is one letter away from space. And then I wrote coincidence? Question mark. That is, I think, are you referencing Dan Brown? And then I wrote coincidence? That is, I think, are you referencing Dan Brown? Never mind. I think it's interesting that the name of the thing is so close to space.

I feel like we need to keep that somewhere, wait 40 years and then there'll be a national treasure movie with that as a clue. Space and spice There's only one letter away. Which one do you choose right? Yeah? Well? I mean I had a feeling I wrote that note and then a little bit after that There was the voiceover of Paul's thoughts, and he's like is the worm and spice connected I'm like I feel like he and I working on the same level putting connections together. Yeah, you just put things together That's that's I got basically the places in space

So yeah, so the political thing to flush this out right the Emperor has a Nominal power and then there are the great houses Which are you know all of this is essentially based on the Greek Iliad kind of family structure thing, you know? And then you have the guild, which are the humans who are mutated into... The vacuum guy. Yeah, the vacuum guy. They are what allows people to travel through space. And because they exist within a spice gas, it turns them into that and it gives them

the ability to travel through space. How does that help any like if I were hanging out with one of these tank people sure they could help me travel through space? With a spaceship you know. So if they were in my spaceship yeah they could travel my spaceship through space they could full time in space. As long as it has a Holtzmann generator. Oh god.

Yeah, I know. But, you know, they can see the future. That's the idea. Oh! There's a lot of powers going on. A lot of powers. That don't really make sense and aren't delineated at all. Well, the basic idea is you have to be able to see the future in order to travel through

space when you're not going at the speed of light, right? Because if you're traveling through space and folding space, you don't know what's going to be there unless you know what's going to be there. Right. That makes sense. Does it? Sort of. Yeah, close enough.

At least in terms of an idea, it makes sense. Right. So you've got the great houses. You've got the the guild. You got the emperor and then you got the lawns rod which is like the yeah they're the economic council essentially. Who? Yeah. The Chamber of Commerce. Are they in the movie? No. Okay. But all of these things put together mean that if you do stuff in a direct way, everybody has to attack the emperor. That's the check on their power. So in order for the emperor to check the Atreides, he has to go through the Atreides mortal enemy, the Harkonnens. And that makes it look like it's just a regular ass feud and not the emperor murdering and ending the

house. Right. Because if he just went out and killed everybody, then the rest of the houses would have to be like, hey, fuck you, you know, like that. Okay. Yeah. So there's the politics that happened in the first scene that is not explained anywhere. Right. And I was distracted by the guy with the vacuum. Yeah. Um, see, yeah, it was I mean, it started off with a plot Yeah, so then we get to Paul. Yeah, how do you feel about the McLaughlin group?

the person Yeah I'm warm to him. Generally. I guess yeah, you're a Twin Peaks fan. I like first season first season of Twin Peaks Yeah, second seasons already But I never watched the new one, the reboot or whatever. I think people have mentioned that. Yeah, I don't know. Here's the problem. I've probably seen him in a number of things. I don't remember. But I don't know. I don't have a negative feeling about him. I will say he was sweaty as hell. Not like metaphorically in terms

of like trying too hard. He was just sweaty. Yeah. And I noticed, I noticed this. I know he's going to a desert planet later. Sure. He's already sweaty as shit. He's sweaty in advance. Yes. Yeah. I'm worried for his like internal body temperature regulation. Like he is just like laying inside in House of Tragedy sweating his ass off. This doesn't bode well. Yeah, every time he has a vision, he gets real sweaty. So sweaty. Yeah, that's David Lynch's way of letting you know this is a stressful vision. This

isn't like a regular ass dream. Is a young man. I wouldn't say his delivery of lines is good. It. It's his first movie sure can you believe that yeah? Yeah It's not terrible. I mean I couldn't do better. I'm not a good actor, but Yeah, no, I thought he was fine. I get it put upon air to a family house And then there's these weird witches who've been trying to breed him and prophesy him. It's a lot of stress. Yeah. Yeah. So the bald lady, that's the Bene Gesserit mother. Right. All right. She's the head Bene Gesserit. And there's sort of an implication that there's a lot of them, but you only see one. Right. They're everywhere. Right. Yeah.

But you only see one. Right. They are in essence the secret society that runs everything. Well, here's my problem with that. Yeah. They stick out. Little bit. If you're a secret society, I could pick that Benegesserit out of a crowd. It does feel very secret.

A little opulent for a secret society. You're trying to be a secret society and everybody is Cleanly aware of who you are based on you being bald and wearing ridiculous outfits Yeah, I think you're you're fucking up the secrecy part Yeah, yeah, not only that but it's widely known that their abilities are to tell you what to do and you have to do it they have like The voice. Okay. Yeah.

So the voice... I did notice that happened a couple times. Yeah, where... Like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the voice is the way they can control people. So let me just... So I'm keeping this in line.

We've got the tank people who can fold space and also can see the future. Yeah, Spice. That allows them to do that. Okay. But I mean Spice allows everybody to do everything. Exactly. Right, which is the problem. That see the future. Yeah, Spice. That allows them to do that. Okay, but I mean Spice allows everybody to do everything. Exactly. Right, which is the problem. That is the problem.

So you've got the Bene Gesserit ladies who can tell you what to do. Yep, need Spice. Right. So these are the powers we have so far. You got it. Right. But the Worm, not Worm, Tank people,

can't tell you what to do. No. And the Bene Gesserit can't fold space what to do no and the Ben of Jezreve can't fold space right? Cool, yeah, but if you piss off any one of them then say you piss off the the worm people Right not worms exactly they can just be like well We're never flying anybody to your planet again So they effectively can isolate you and end your connection to the entire universe, right? So no inner space travel is possible except them? Exactly. And no, and them,

not without the spice, and so on and so on and so on. So again, the spice is everything. Well this makes more sense now. This makes sense that this is why the spice is important because it mutates people into being able to travel between planets yeah that's pretty important right yeah yeah okay all right yeah yeah like imagine only one you know one country has planes you know it's like well they're gonna have the ability to tell everybody what to do if you want to fly right I mean it gets sort of like Gasoline right right it's a very good superpowers and

Hallucinations, but I guess if you sniff enough gas put your head in a big tank guys You probably see some stuff. I had not considered that he had not only based this on oil But also sniffed a lot of oil as a way of uh that's that's entirely different time back then oh this 60s yeah yeah a lot of people experimenting with new ways to catch a buzz say that that's silly but I also want to say I remember a lot of books from the 60s are like we huffed everything so yeah fair enough now Speaking of huffing the spice is a drug. Yeah, all right except it looked like the only time I saw anybody take it

Was when Paul took it and it was just like in a little pellet. Yeah, right Yeah, yeah, it was in the it was in the space food Always great to see space food in a little pellet form. Made me very excited for the future. Nobody really eats. They just... I'm fine with that. Yeah, that's fair.

Those days will be great once we have food pellets. I'm not against it. But yeah, so the spice because Paul is genetically, you know bread essentially when he takes the spice he becomes Able to see the future, but he seemed to have already been doing that kinda Yeah, because if you can see the future you can also see the past don't worry about it, right? But you don't need he didn't need the spice to do that. You just seem to do a bit more of it once you took it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The spice. I mean sort of a amplifier. Right. So that leads me to think that these people who turn into the tank people could probably travel through space without the spice. They

don't need that shit. It's just amplifying this or maybe they could make it halfway. That's kind of more the idea. I mean, honestly, it is more like they have, you know, when they're kids, they show the blue, you know, they showed the signs of the force, but then you got to still cram them full of spice. Yeah. You know, and turn them into the weird monsters. Right.

So there's something else that we haven't even brought up in the beginning of this. And that is when you got Paul in the room at the Beginning before the weird shield fight sure comes in to the room. We have a trio. Yeah of people We got Patrick Stewart. Yeah crazy. Yep. We got Dean Stockwell. We got the stock well of Dean's crazy Yep, and then you got weirdo computer guy, which you had to explain to me. Yeah is what was it called? Mentat okay, yeah, so All I see is a crazy looking dude with great huge

They don't explain it What is happening fine eventually we find out? Sort of yeah that they need to drink this juice in order to give them brain powers or something. Saffu juice. Right. And again, you were telling me this is something that they have to do from birth or something like that. It's like an amplifier. They're created as supercomputers because there's no computers or anything. Fine. Yep. That's a good way of treating that.

Fine. Here's my problem. The eyebrows. Yeah! They don't need that. Why not? Is this in the book? The eyebrows?

I mean. Does the juice make your eyebrows go crazy? No, but. Because all of the people who drank the juice had crazy eyebrows. They did. And everybody else didn't. Eyebrow trimming does

exist in this universe. No, as far as I'm aware in the books, thoroughly capable of trimming your own eyebrows. So there's something, a side product of drinking the juice and becoming one of these human computers that you see through the bullshit that everyone else doesn't. Everyone else wants short eyebrows, but you want long ones Yeah, because of the some kind of advantage to it Wow I mean if you are that much of a supercomputer then you must know that there's like an Aerodynamic quality to having giant eyebrows. I would argue. It's the exact opposite if you try and swim It's gonna give you some drag all right hold you back if you're you there's a reason the falling thing

So then they you know there. It a reason the falling thing so then they you know there it's like a feather you know they just kind of I mean I don't know if it would have that effect but they're working towards it it seems like working if they get a little spice boom right amplify that up now that everybody floats spice brows so anyway I was very distracted by a number of these aesthetic choices right that I Figured must have some reason like the lips one makes sense with the context of this juice staining your lips or whatever All right, I don't fully understand why that has anything to do with them being a brain computer But whatever yeah the eyebrows apparently not there's nothing in the book that is what.

Don't need eyebrows. Cool. No eyebrow powers are involved in the making of Mentats. Good. Good. Good stuff. You can look like anything. There's guys who are later on. This guy's a warrior. Looks just like a regular guy.

I would say trim that shit then. If I were there. You look crazy. Yeah, I think David Lynch is one of the ways that he was trying to deal with, I guess, not being able to explain half of what he's trying to is just like give everybody a specific look. You know, like when Patrick Stewart walks in, you can tell that Gurney Halleck is a balladeer because he just walks in carrying his gigantic guitar. I didn't know that. I thought that because it doesn't come back up in anything. It doesn't come back up and he just said I'm packing this. So he

did not know that he was a ballad here. He's a ballad here. My man. I don't even know what that means. It means he sings songs but also he's a warrior. Right. I did get that. Yeah. Because he does fight fights later on. so he was raised on Gideon Prime tortured no good yep now he's joins the Atreides kick-ass Harkinens you got it right in the middle we have dr. Yue Dean Stockwell Dean Stockwell from yeah absolutely he is a Doctor trained by the Imperium Given Imperial conditioning so that he will never break his word and the red diamond on his forehead exactly He will never betray whomever he works for because if you're a doctor

That's like a huge point of weakness for your inner circle. You know great place to hit the laws You know what I'm saying totally totally so naturally it is both impossible and it is the plot Yes, yeah, he is the the traitor mm-hmm not a lot of tension around that subplot of who's the traitor nope cuz a pretty early on Baron Harkin in says like we got a trailer a trader and then There's not a lot of like who could it be there's not a lot of intrigue No, I guess you don't have time maybe a lot of story to tell yeah, but yeah, then it turns out to be dr. Yui and I

when it when it was I was not I Didn't feel like a Did you feel a betrayal? It was him! No, no, none of that. No, it wasn't like a big reveal to me. It was like, ah, that was him. It was almost even in the movie, like Barreton going, we have a traitor! And then it cuts to him stabbing you, and you're like, yeah, he's the traitor.

It's Dr. Ewer. I feel like there were only a few options in terms of characters that had been introduced. Could have been. Who was your second choice for who the traitor could have been? Well, my thought was Duncan Idaho, but that's just because it's a name that I know. And he didn't play any factor in the movie at all. So I thought, well, that would be a way to make him relevant in a name I'm aware of. But no, it's not yeah in the he's the coolest character that

Paul idol hero worships who will eventually later on turn out to be recreated over and over and over again for thousands of thousands of years Reborn as a clone and then killed and then reborn as a clone over and over and over again Wow Because he's so cool He's just not in it doesn't seem to play a big role now. He shows up, and then he dies just almost immediately Lost him yep, it's a bummer so then Yeah, other than other than him. I didn't really have a thought of who you know what what my brain didn't even like Try and solve the mystery like it was like

There's a trader. Oh next yeah, all right I know that the housekeeper lady warned about the trader too, and I was like I guess I'm reminded of this plot thread Right the shout-out mapes mm-hmm That's her name the housekeeper. Okay. She was the shout-out mapes How's her name cool? Theykeeper. She was the shout out MAPES. That was her name. They called her the shout out MAPES. Stop saying that. I don't know why. I can't not say it. It's such a, I don't know, it's a unique combination of syllables. So wait, we may be ahead of ourselves. Where are we in the plot?

Okay, so after After we get the should I'm after we get the Paul Atreides dream scene Then we go to the heart Conan scene where he is going like ah I'm gross and then you see the first like real This is the most evil man possible thing mm-hmm Oh, I thought it was cuz he was hanging out with sting well There's definitely that how did you like the reveal of sting is in this movie? I think I knew it Yeah, I think I I think you know there are certain things that you're aware of But then you forget you're aware of sure and then they happen you're like ah yeah and I think that's kind of how I felt with

sting because I think I knew he was in this yeah and then it didn't really surprise me that much and I thought look at that guy he's young that was when so 84 in stings discography and sting. What had he just done? Uh, oh boy. I think he had- I mean the police existed. I think he had just left the police. Whoa. Just quit the force.

I wanna say it was either that or I'm making that up. But I feel like that was- Fuck y'all, I'm going solo. Man, I wanna say that was a- fuck me. I thought he was fine. Didn't factor all that much into the story I guess until he has a duel with Paul at the end, but I will kill him right Also doesn't deliver either way he walks out in the introduction cocky

I mean the man is wearing nothing but a codpiece emerging from a steam bath true You've got no opinion on Sting. That's how I'm doing this. Looks young. Yes. I'm used to him as kind of a more old man. So it was interesting. I don't care. I don't know anything about this character. Just a guy coming out of a steam bath. All right. But to your point about the heart plugs. Yes. Great idea for a dictator. If you have a somewhat limited population, I don't know if that works at scale. But since there are only about 10 people that we see around him, it makes sense to have heart plugs on all of them. Yeah, I mean, it is based upon the number of people whose heart plugs he just rips out

all the time, probably wise to limit the number of people around him at any given point in time You know the more there are around him the more heart plugs He's gonna pull out right and the less chance you have of being successful when you attempt to pull out some sort of plug Yeah, absolutely, so I've pulled up stings discography. Yes So we had 1984 What the fuck? Okay, hold on hold on. Mm-hmm. I think this is only his solo discography Yeah, so a bit limited he had oh dream of the blue turtles that album comes out in 1985

Oh, yeah, her solo album. So yeah, it looks like it was just when he had gone solo. Yeah I think that was right around the time Yeah, 80 every breath you take with the police was 83. Wow. He's on top of the world He is literally on top of the world. Yeah about to star in a blockbuster movie one of the biggest sci-fi movies To date the biggest budget in two years leading up to this. Yeah, he has had Number one hits with the police. Yes with don't stand so close to me, every little thing she does is magic, and every breath you take. Huge, huge. Worldwide global superstar. Big get to be in this movie at this point. Crazy. Yeah. Merges with a codpiece from a Steve Babb.

Sure. Absolutely. I think the Baron is great. I really, really like the portrayal of him as like this screaming weirdo. Disgusting grosso. Yeah, the, I think in the new movies, the Denis Villanueva movies, it's a scars guard. Which I haven't seen. No, we might do those. Right. It's a scars guard, which I haven't seen no we might do those right? It's a scars guard

He's great. He's very menacing and he's terrifying and he does the scars guard thing, right? But this guy is more nuts. He's more like pure absolute insane nuts Just bouncing off the walls a little over the top a little bit I mean I guess that's kind of what you kind of do when you're this kind of a character and you're grotesque And you're evil and you float yeah some reason. Yep I do think that might be tough to play down the middle. Yeah Might be a little tough to be understated and in that kind of a role. Yeah, he's fine

You're supposed to not like him, so I didn't like him We're gonna put you in the blueberry suit from Willy Wonka and Expect you to be the heavy. Mm-hmm this movie. It's tough. It's tough to do. I did not take many notes. I'm looking What here's some of my notes yeah, let's do it this movie killed toto that is true You we haven't even talked about toto toto doing the the soundtrack toto and sting both at the top of their game at this Exact moment some of the stuff we've already covered a lot of crazy eyebrows. Yep, also sweaty Paul's very sweaty I noted that in a tradies house. Yeah, still hardwood. Yeah hardwood still in style I like that crazy. What's that? That's a water planet So they have treated this wood so well that it survives a water planet. That seems like the wrong choice

Totally Caladan. Yeah, crazy the last Stop taking notes. So this this should give you an indication of how early I stopped it Paul's mom's hair looks like Dove chocolate of how early I stopped taking notes. Paul's mom's hair looks like Dove chocolate. That's a good way of describing it. It's like a heart made of Dove chocolate. Until it didn't. So yeah, Paul's mom.

She's a Benedicess. But she's not bald. Because her hair looks like Dove chocolate. Right. She is not yet a Reverend Mother. Whenever we meet her and Duke Leto. Duke Leto Duke Leto a Great not Chris Christopherson character someone who plagued me. I swore that I knew who this guy was It did not know who he was

Jurgen something. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciated that you brought it up and you're like, oh, he's he's in DOS boot, right? Yeah, I don't think I've seen oh, he's a Twin Peaks fire walk with me I that's where I know him from oh wait. He played a wood Nope don't know him from that. No. I don't think so, but yeah, he was intense Yeah, he had a quiet intensity to himself made an impact with his role. Yeah, yeah good on you Yep dies almost immediately sure Yep, so that's the way but before he dies sure there's an attempt on Paul's life, right? Which I thought this is but they've already gotten to Arrakis by this point right so they arrive at Arrakis

They're taking over for the Harkinens. Yes, and there's obviously the traitor so someone is trying to kill them right there Sabotage devices that are too easily found apparently yes to quote the guy with the crazy eyebrows. Yep, and so they have a fucking Device that they've used to try and kill Paul right that is a flying syringe Yeah, it makes a lot of noise tons of noise and can only respond to movement. It's too dark But it's not no not even a little well little bit. It's a well lit room. Yep. I thought this was a bad assassination strategy. Oh yeah. Terrible.

I would have gone with a different one. It is huge. Yeah. That's so big. The hunter-seeker is supposed to be this super terrifying, like, it's like a drone that murders people but it's a needle. Right. And in the movie it is a I mean a

massive Dildo-sized thing and and seems to move slowly until it doesn't yep makes a lot of noise so you're alerted of its presence and Is like the t-rex in Jurassic Park If you don't move it can't see you. Stay perfectly still. Alright. And then the shout out mapes open the door. Who?

Yep, exactly. Who? The shout out mapes. Paul grabs it, super speed. Yes. Does that whole thing. But we haven't even talked about the most important aspect of this movie for David Lynch, which is the weirding way.

This comes into play more later, I think. Right. But, so, it's weird. Yeah. I don't fully, I mean it's just yelling, right? Is it, okay. Why don't you lay this out? Right.

So in the books, the weirding way is basically just how the Bene Gesserit fight. Those words do exist. Right. Okay. The Bene Gesserit are not just super powerful mental secret condition people, they also are space ninjas. So they can super fight on top of everything. The Bene Gesserit are?

Yes. The bald ladies. You got it. But they don't teach other people how to do this Jessica has not only Given birth to a son when she was supposed to give birth to a daughter But she's trained Lito's troops in the weirding way so now they're the strongest best fighters in the world In the universe etc strongest best fighters in the world in the universe etc. she wasn't supposed to do she wasn't supposed to do because the Emperor has the strongest super troops the Sardaukar oh so that is why the Emperor wants to kill Atreides in the

first place yeah okay yeah I didn't get that from the movie nope so The the Harkin ins take them out pretty easily for that right which is the next part the Harkin ins get Sardaukar from the Emperor to help kill the Atreides right but the Atreides should be They just just totally wiped him out because it was a sneak attack You don't need to have super you know I guess hey is that people so okay? Yeah, so that makes sense right okay? So then we get to finally Arrakis then we get to Lido taking people out looking at the spice And we finally get to see our giant sand worms right max von Seidow As one of the locals, takes people out. Yeah.

And takes them out in a little bit of a tiny space hovercraft thing. It's an ornithopter. It's basically, in the book it's a dragonfly looking ship, but because that would be kind of silly. Instead it's a weird square that floats I don't think they were too worried about things being looking silly in the movie I think they were warm to that yeah so they're flying around they're going to see the spice production yes and they go and they see

this one place yep and oh no worms coming yeah oh no how do we know which guy is the good guy and which guy is the bad guy? The Harkonnen they go. Oh, we just want the spice you can sacrifice your lives. It must be yeah The good guy Lito goes we must save the people and then they proceed to save two It's like there's they say there's 26 people right in the spice mining facility Yeah, they have no room for all of those people now They end up bringing like two people on board and the rest of them But must have gotten eaten by the big world you can fit as many as you can fit the worm is big It's very big right eats the whole thing. Yep. Yep. I

Mean how you feel about the worm. It's kind of iconic. Yeah How you feel about the worm it's kind of iconic yeah? I guess I mean like here's the thing yeah, tell me about your worm thoughts um This planet sucks Like deserts period no deserts for Dan And then we're adding a giant worm a bunch of giant worms only that are going to eat you yeah And wreck shit. I don't want wanna be a part of this planet. I don't care about Spice. Fuck this planet.

You say the Atreides are on a water planet? Get me over there! Yeah, they're doing great on the water planet too. And you know what? I don't need Spice because I don't wanna leave the planet. This is fine. So shut it down. I don't give a fuck.

It would be nice. I think that they showed the worm a little early. I had a pretty clear visual on the worm. Wasn't really all that scary. I thought that the ability of the worm to get stuck by rocks was a little bit made it a little bit less scary. Sure. As a presence a presence sure the people are able to evade them At some points, so I don't know, but it was big. Yeah, I don't give a shit. Yeah, I get it I'm more scared of a shark probably really yeah, and that's interesting the worm has captured the imagination of generations including Alex goddamn Joe and for you it's like

It's a shit worm. So I understand that the worm is spice sure. What does that mean? The worm is okay, so the life cycle of the worm we find out in the later books is a sandtrout There they're exactly what they look and they sound like yeah they're sand fish. All right they find the spice then they eat the spice because they have to kill the spice then they turn into little worms. All right then the worms grow up come big etc. Then they die melt into spice and the cycle continues

So the spice is dead worms. Yeah about that. What's the water of life? That is a dead baby worm so to get the water of life they get the baby worm and then they drown it So this is all about the worms all about the worm every this whole fucking society everything is based on worms Yep, they don't know it. They don't know it's just worms It's just worms right and here's the craziest part It's been like that for like a thousand like thousands of years and nobody has ever been like hey What's up with these worms? Mm-hmm? I mean they're big. Yeah, sure Here's the other problem. Yeah, what's your other problem? They're so uncontrollable except they're easily controlled totally easily controlled very easy to control seems like over thousands of years

Someone would have put the pieces together and been like wait the spices dead worms. Let's Farm these worms right no one does that no because they can't and that is because of the Fremen No one does that no because they can't and that is because of the Fremen That is the people who live in the deep desert right they blue eyes. Yes with the blue eyes They are spice addicted people they are of the desert and they kill anybody who tries to get close and study the worms Okay, yeah, I guess that makes sense right except you've solved this one except You've got an entire civilization that spans a galaxy But you're like man these these these desert people can't fuck with them. Well, they know the they know the deserts They know the this a topography. Yeah, and they got giant worms I guess but they don't ah, but they do but they don't they can ride the worms

It seemed like a big deal later when Paul rides the worm though. Yeah, no, they ride worms all the time. Okay. It's just a regular thing they do. They just love riding worms. Okay, that didn't come through. Yeah, yeah, it's not hard. The reason that it's exciting is because they taught an outsider, Paul, how to ride the worms. Right.

You don't teach an outsider how to ride a worm. Okay. Because the worm is God. See, to me, experiencing it in the context of the movie, I thought these worms are revered by the Fremen and shit. And it was a big deal that Paul was like, I'm going to ride one. Yeah. Yeah. But like, because no one ever had or something like that. right right you know like in avatar You know I'm gonna ride this beast sure no one's ridden. Yeah, yeah

To know that they all just casually ride worms is a little bit disappointing It is it is a little bit like if God was also a Greyhound bus You know like you worship it, but also you take it to the to the south every you know every six months Yeah, you get on the word when you ride south So yeah, that's that's a bummer. Yeah worms are fine. The worms are fine, but the Fremen all right they are The people who are living in the deep desert They are the people who have been given the religion from Ben-Jezaret, if that makes sense. They don't really talk about the whole thing as far as the cosmology behind it.

We hear in the movie, like, oh, he's the chosen one, et cetera. Is he? Prophesied. Is he the one? The whole thing, yeah. Oh, they ask that a lot. Right. The whole thing yeah, so they ask that a lot right now the Bene Gesserit have been

Doing this thing called the missionary of protectiva Where they send people out into any place they want to go before they send a Bene Gesserit and those people kind of Go throughout the population and they give them a religion They give them the same kind of constant religion that says, you should really be nice to the Ben and Jezaret. They're super awesome. Take care of them, worship them and give them everything. And then someday there will be the Messiah, right?

So the religion is what they use to kind of protect themselves throughout the universe. They can go wherever they want. The Ben and Jezreth. Right. But also, they are creating what they would kind of, what we would kind of call a super being, if you will. Because they're trying to breed the Lidos. Yes. They're breeding these great houses because again, it's very important to know that aristocrats are the only human beings that count

They're bringing this case. They do have superpowers exactly So it's not all just like a societal construct or whatever there is superpowers going on, right? So I mean they're wrong. Yeah, but they're not as wrong. No no Yeah, you got it But so they breed this whole thing and their breeding program is coming down to this very last two people The people that can't ever interbreed the Harkonnen and the Atreides. Jessica is the daughter of Baron Harkonnen Secretly, they don't know about that She has a kid. Why do these people have names like Jessica and Paul? You are telling you are asking me. It's ridiculous I know anyway, sorry yeah

There's Vladimir and then yeah, yeah so Jessica is then going to have a kid with Lido Lido is supposed to have a daughter and then the daughter is supposed to have a kid with fade Ratha And then the daughter is supposed to have a kid with fade Ratha who is Baron Hart Conan's yeah Stick right and then that kid will be the man who becomes the quiz at hot Iraq and who can see into the past Right the future. That's a try right he can cross space and time but Jessica falls in love with Lito right right and Lito really wants a son

falls in love with Lito right right and Lito really wants a son because Lito's that kind of dude but that that's how they were back then that's how they were back then in the year 11,000 that's exactly how they were oh this is in the future yeah way I should have known oh I guess I did kind of know because you told me that they had computers and then they took over and then they had to destroy all the computers and that's why right everything is sort of Sort of faux old yeah sort of steampunk ask yeah a little bit like that Where was that yeah, so instead of giving them the daughter yeah Paul is born and he is Not supposed to be the guy mm-hmm right

And he is not supposed to be the guy mm-hmm right But turns out he is the guy mm-hmm or he's one of the guys. He's a guy. He's just a guy Yeah, he has visions where he gets sweaty mm-hmm They eat some food yep, and has more visions and then decides that he's gonna be called muad'dib Which apparently means the mouse on the sunset or some fucking shit. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Alright, so. So after this happens, alright, they, Leto, Paul, meet the Fremen, we find out Leto's the good guy.

Immediately after that, we murder Leto. Doctor You. Gotta get it, gotta get him out of here. We know that the good guy is dead, so we can move on and... But Dean Stockwell is only doing this partially in order to give him a tooth in order to try and kill Baron Harkonnen. Right. But that doesn't work. Remember the tooth. You remember the tooth but then they accidentally killed Brad Durif instead. Yes he kills Piter DeVries who is a twisted mentat. Right. Crazy

eyebrows. So regular ment tat but evil right I mean Which is weird? Yeah, I? Would have never cares fucking eyebrows right yeah It's hard to tell like that like giant eyebrows and that like all that would have been like a marker of him being a twisted Mentat right, but they both have yeah. Yeah, they all have the eyebrows. Yeah, so it's not a signifier. No yeah anyway um So yeah, he the tooth he remembers the tooth. Yep Lido dies kills Piter and then Harkin and sends off the supposedly dead bodies of Jessica and Paul to die in the dead by a worm yes

Fun right and that's about where the first movie and that's where the first movie ends yes yeah essentially so then we rushed through a bit of political intrigue a bit of bullshit whatever it made sense as a story being broadly told and that yeah yeah and it's as far as like a condensing political intrigue that takes you know 80 pages to get through you don't really need that in a movie so much and you kind of get some of the exposition and then at the end you get Dead Lito so you've got like a movie all of that stuff is fine yeah the rest of it is confusing now we get to the rest of it. Well, but even

the stuff that is the rest of it that was in the beginning of the movie is not well explained. Like even just on a very basic level, the guy in the tank, like that's at the beginning of the movie. Right, right, right. It's not well explained. No, he's just a guy in a tank in the... seems to hold a lot of sway. He can tell the emperor what to do like a dick too. He's even like, hey, shut up asshole. And they use exposition just liberally. But it doesn't help.

Nope. Inexplicably. Yeah. Now we've got Paul and Jessica in the desert. They are Paul's officially Overloaded with spice right he gets too much spice has his vision Realizes this whole thing and can see the future. Well, he took spice had more of a vision

Yeah, then that but that was earlier, right and now they have gone on this ship They commandeered the ship the took back over it, it crash landed. They ran away from the worm because they, oh, he can't come onto rocks. Right. So they went over there. And then because he's out in the environment, he's getting overloaded with spice, right? Because spice is everywhere. Spice is everywhere.

Dead worms are everywhere. Everywhere. I mean, it's the desert, and it's the dead worms. It's all spice. So that's what's happening. He's having these worms. Sure. So that's what he's that's what's happening. He's having these these visions. Right. So now that he's having the spice visions, he is actually seeing the future and he gets

like a you know, he gets the cloudy picture of what's going to happen. Finds out that he's going to be Muad'Dib, the Mahdi, the Lisan Al-Gaib, etc. etc. Yeah, all the names for whatever all based on on a religion that the Bene Gesserit planted in advance to make it so when Paul shows up, they're all super nice to him and they treat him all cool. But it seemed like they were super nice to him because his mom can kick some ass. There's definitely that. That seemed to be why they ended up being nice to him the the Fremen at first

Right when they first meet the Fremen Paul Runs and hides and then Jessica shows off that the Bena Jesuit are space ninjas Mm-hmm, and then still gar who's the guy who's the leader of siege Tabor? He's like holy shit teach us all how to do this fighting. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, and that seems to be why they're nice to how to do this fighting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And that seems to be why they're nice to him, not the religious stuff. No, not really. But later on when Paul becomes a guy.

Because here's the point that I would make on that front. So when they meet the Fremen folk and they're like, we'll give, your mom kicks ass, teach us and you're all cool. He's like, what is your name? What is your name be and Paul is like, what is the name for a mouse the Sun or whatever the fuck? Yeah, he's like we call that to muad'Dib. Yeah, and he's like that I will be muad'Dib And there isn't like a feeling of like holy shit, right? That's his name, right? There is like a feeling of this is what a prophecy has been fulfilled or anything. It's just like that that shall be your name

That's your name and everybody's like, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so the prophecy is is oh boy essentially Paul is going to be the You know guy who leads the way, essentially. That's the translation. And then the Muad'Dib thing, it's kind of a joke to, he's a little mouse, he's not a real Fremen, he's not a big guy, he's the Muad'Dib. But the constellation is known as the one who lights the way kind of thing.

So it's like, oh, it's actually the sign that this is the guy Not everybody believes yet, but it's like oh, that's another sign and so on and so on didn't feel that way No, it doesn't come across now. This is the part of the movie where you don't know what's going on ever quite a bit Yeah, seems to take them over real fast. Yep takes about five minutes Yep, because then they have the you can yell at the obelisk scene which is always great this is where you were making a point of it being a departure from the books right this is this sort of yell fighting right right right yeah yeah and the books because you have to because you have to have hand-to- fighting. And this is this is another

underpinning of like all of the interactions is that the because the shields protect you from being shot by lasers not because they protect you from being shot but because it will turn into a nuclear explosion killing everybody everywhere, it only makes sense to no longer shoot people and only wear the shields. You either have, we only use lasers and cut everybody in half with lasers all the time, or we have shields and then we fight hand to hand. Or we yell. Or we yell from a distance with weird little neck things going

And then there's the whole year yeah, and then there's the whole he just says his name He's like oh my name is a killing word. Yeah, it's absolutely can only certain words kill It's not established it no, but yeah, apparently now it is Okay Yep, so he takes over an insurgency basically to kill the Harkinens, right a That works yeah, so this is the part. This is the part that takes a while in the books The last about two scenes in the movie has an has an underwritten love interest. Yep, yep. That just shows up and then disappears.

She's really important. Not in the movie. Nope, not even close. All of their buddies, the Phaedekon, super important. Not in the movie. He runs back into Patrick Stewart. Yeah, and then it's over. Then we move on. So then we get to the final

climax and again that they that is a huge chunk of the book that is all just ripped out there's it does get the has a feeling of a lot of yada yada yeah yeah and then we get to the climax right where Paul Atreides because he is able to End spice he has got the atomics each great house has Ancient family atomics that are nuclear bombs essentially and because he has them from being a duke He points them at the spice fields or whatever and says to the the universe if you don't fucking Deal with me. I'm going to end Spice forever. Because, and this is the big point of the whole fucking thing, this is the whole point of Frank Herbert's book, is if you can destroy something, then you are the one who is in control of it.

Right. And it's like, it's a... That is said in the movie. A lot. It's an exploration of hydraulic despotism. So if you are the only person who can destroy something, then you're the only person who really has control of it. And if that's the thing that the entire universe depends on, then you are the center of the

universe. Right. You're holding everyone hostage. Right. You're holding everyone hostage. Right. So Paul is both figuratively the center of the universe, metaphorically, religiously, and then actually physically, literally the center of the universe. All of this boils down to one person. Right. Right. And then he succeeds. Yep. That's kind of it. Yeah. Yep. So There you go

End of movie. I found it a little anti-glymactic And then it rains yeah, yeah rains on Arrakis. Yeah, so all of that is really the key to ex-adarach All that is really established in a completely different way. It has nothing to do with him being a established in a completely different way. It has nothing to do with him being a... The reason it rains is because the Fremen for hundreds of years have been collecting water in these little areas in the hopes of turning the planet back into a green place. Right. The water of life, which is dead baby worms. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. And you can't drink that? No.

Well, you can. No, no, no, the water of life is different from the water in the seaches. Oh boy. The water there is, yeah, don't even worry about it. Honestly, let's just bail on that part. Let's not even worry about the seaches, because they're not in the movie.

Okay. So I don't know I I there's not a good message I don't think hmm that comes if you just watch the movie they're not and not you know no little else I don't know what the I don't know what the overarching message is other than like, hey, the leaders got their revenge. Yeah, yeah. Which is kind of, like that's the problem. The arc of the story is essentially very normal.

It's a very normal story of like, there's two competing houses. One is the good, one's bad. The good ones get set up by the bad the bad kill The people there's a betrayal all this dadada There's the rightful heir to the good side lives comes back kills a bad people Yep, but everything else around it is nonsense. Yes, like so you have unconventional shit It is nonsense. Yes, like so you have

unconventional shit Like being married with a very conventional story and it just doesn't meld well No, no because the unconventional shit as you put it is What keeps the you like like the actual story in the book that Frank Herbert is telling is a very unconventional That's not that see that's the sense that I have from many things that you've talked about and my sort of Cultural osmosis of dune. Yeah, and so to me it didn't feel like this was the story that is being told it felt like a Like I felt like I didn't get like something and it must just be what isn't in the movie. It is in the book. Yeah, yeah, they shoe horns the opposite of what's

in the book into the movie to make it more like a movie. Probably it couldn't be told the other way. Well, it changes the meaning quite a bit. If you think about it this way, you have the conventional story of the wronged, everybody is against me, I go into the desert, I have my 40 days, 40 nights tribulations, I return and I destroy the infid know, right do that whole thing, right? I actually ride on top of God the worm to defeat my enemies Right now that's a conventional story, but what if instead? You have a shadowy group of people who have orchestrated all of this political shit into one moment political shit into one moment, fucked up, and then because of they fucked up in such a very specific way, it's led to a guy who creates, you know, what seems like a righteous war.

But because he's too good at it, he winds up killing more people than anyone anywhere, ever. So the Harkonnens you say oh these are evil people they're torturous they're awful they kill one one millionth of the death and murder and everything that Paul Atreides is responsible for because and this is the this is the thing that is kind of the message that's very, very difficult if you don't have a larger, you know, like five book. Yeah. Sure.

It is agency. It is responsibility. Because Paul is the only person who can make a choice, any choice he makes is what the future will be, and he knows what it will be right so in the book when he's going south when he's going to The siege to lead the Fremen He doesn't want to do it because he knows that if he chooses that future then he kills the world. He kills the universe

There's nothing he can do to stop that he can only choose to kill himself Right. Those are the only two options, right? So in the book, he chooses in the first book to kill the universe. Yeah. Right. So in what way is that the good guy? Well, I mean, like there is that moment where he's having a nightmare with his underwritten love interest and he's like the genocide of the planet or whatever. I have to take the water or whatever, but it didn't seem like he was wrestling with this too much. It didn't seem like it was resolved. I mean, obviously I think as he becomes like this guy who's basically carrying out an insurgency against the spice

trade right he does he does become like less of a like sympathetic character but not to the point where it ever really fully changes in terms of presentation of the movie. No, no, and I mean it is, it is interesting in so far as you see the justification for the insurgency. You don't just see the insurgency. You are there, you are thinking, hey, if I got fucked over like this, I would do what Paul did. I would be an insurgent that kind of thing yeah there is a justified thing for me to be doing so Frank Herbert

gives you the justification that you want for the Messiah right you want him to be wronged to then go on but then if you say that he's justified are you then saying that the murder of everybody is justified? You know, when does that stop? Is he justified in killing the Harkonnens and then stopping? Or is he justified in protecting himself the only way that he can, which is running the world? Well, none of it's ethically justified, but it's justified as storytelling.

You know what I mean? It's justified plot wise yeah so you have to you have to look at this you know people oftentimes give you that like I'm sick of this Messiah shit you know this like white dude is coming to save the world kind of thing this is the opposite this is white dude is coming to kill us all right but at the same time that's not in the movie. No Not at all So that's why when you get such a combination of like this is not supposed to be the story Yeah, and then he's trying to put like fucking

tank dudes in there I think I think when I finished the movie and I sit with it for a minute, I'm left with the feeling that I don't think I know more about Dune than I did before. I think I already knew there were worms. I think everything that is added to my awareness is stuff that you've explained to me that was not in the movie or was kind of in the movie. So I don't feel more informed. I don't feel better off.

Good. Because, Dan, I'm going to tell you this. There are more options for learning more about Dune. Maybe this won't be the last episode of Dune with Dan. Maybe we'll be doing Dennis' Dune with Dan next time. I don't know. I, there's a part of me that thinks like, this could be okay. No, hold on. If there was,

Let's not go crazy. If there was an intention for this David Lynch Dude to be part of a series or something Then I could kind of see it being like ah It leaves you in this place where you think that you've seen this story and then the next one subverts it entirely Yeah, I could see something along those lines But I know that there isn't a second one in the there's books you know right yeah there isn't a second David Lynch not a second David Lynch movie yeah and it didn't also didn't feel like it was

setting you up for another one it felt like a told story mm-hmm and that you know yeah I found myself underwhelmed. Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody likes a good Jesus brought the rain now everybody's happy forever story. I felt bad for Toto. Yep. They didn't recover. No. No. No. They'd, uh, they... I guess it's debatable. Is Sting's solo career better than his time with the police? Absolutely, fucking, lutely not.

I think some people would disagree with you. I understand those people and I respect them and I appreciate them. And that's fine. They can be wrong about something and they can still be respected. Was that song, A Dreamer Annie? That song that Sting stole? Was that about Dune? Years later, he's still that's in stores. What was that about dune years later? He's still processing being in dune

I think I don't I don't think that dune broke up the police But I don't think that dune helped the police stay together We don't have any evidence either way at this point because sting was sting was in that I'm trying to be a movie star headspace, which is very difficult to be like let's's be a collaborative band headspace, you know, that's true Yeah, so there's a possibility that dune destroyed Toto and the police. Yes, two giant bands Yep, and somehow David Lynch made it out. Okay Okay, yeah in quotes He's had a pretty important career. Yeah. yeah, he's had things that have worked.

He's told people about transcendental meditation. That is true. He has talked about that a lot. Been on Infowars. Yes, he has. So here's the thing. Yeah. One of the reasons to watch Dune is obviously the parallels with Alex's vision of himself.

Right. There is a sense that he may think he is Muad'Dib. He's had a vision that God gave him when he was a child about what the future is and his place in it. Yeah. Kind of Quizats Hadaraki. Yeah. I didn't feel like, based on the presentation of the movie, that I got a ton of those things. That's interesting. You know what I mean? Yeah, like there were little little glimpses here and there But like not a ton of new stuff. Yeah. Yeah, were there things that you were thinking of that? You wanted to point out. Well, that was actually the question that I was gonna have for you is

Were there any things that you didn't know? Alex had cribbed from dude, you know what I mean? I'm sure there is, but I don't know about from the movie. Right, no, well see that's why I think it's a good idea to watch the Dennis movies. Because they're a lot better. It's two movies, it's spread out, and it does a much better job. So I think that might be the way to go.

I think we might have to. Now here's a question I'm gonna ask you in advance. Sure. Are there crazy eyebrows in the new ones? I'm going to tell you this. There are not. I'm in. But. Oh, shit.

In the most not way. Oh. There are the most not crazy eyebrows. No one has eyebrows. No eyebrows anywhere! Shit. Yeah, they removed them, CGI. Okay. No one has eyebrows. No eyebrows anywhere shit. Yeah, they removed him CGI Okay, no um yeah, I'm in all right. We can watch some more Dune

Well, then I don't know how we would end doing Dune with Dan I think I think we've done David's Dune with Dan. We've done David's Dune. Yeah, so uh done I suppose we've got a website? Dune Dun! Yeah, we're on knowledgefight.gov. And we are not on any social media, but I'm not Neo, nor Leo, nor Desi X Clark. I'm just a regular ass professor. You are, what's another fun, who is that, housekeeper?

The shout out mapes. That's who you are. are, what's another fun, who is that, housekeeper? The shout out vapes. That's who you are. Woo yeah woo yeah woo! And now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding. Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work. I love you too.