Knowledge Fight - The End of the Road

Episode Date: May 4, 2026

In this installment, Dan and Jordan decide that it is time to put the podcast to rest.

We're a know. No, no, no, no, knowledge fight. Dad. And Jordan, I'm sweating. All right.com. It's down to pray. I have great respect for knowledge fight. Knowledge fight.

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I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes who have enjoyed sitting around. It's already begun. Drinking novelty beverages.

We're speaking to the altar of Celine and talking a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are, Dan. Jordan. I have a quick question for you. What are we doing here today? Oh, man, no bright spot. I don't know. I don't know if I have a bright spot.

I got a bright spot. Do you got a bright spot? Yeah. Okay, good. The look on your face when I mentioned that there was a movie about a haunted whistle. That is, that was bright. I could not be happier with that. We were talking before the show, and one of the things that came up was there's a movie about a haunted whistle.

Yes. And you thought it was very funny. Yes. And I do too. And that's something to celebrate. Yeah. I mean, I guess I have my bright spot. My bright spot is I love you very much, and I'm so grateful.

I'm so grateful. Sure. Yep. That's my bright spot. Love you too, and I'm grateful as well. Yep. So anyway, let's not beat around the bush. I think everybody's kind of put it together by now.

Yep, we're done. Let's do it the way. Let's go out the way we did it, QED. Let's forget to show up for the banquet. It was not forgetting. No, it wasn't. It was not knowing. We did not know that we were getting an award.

We didn't know. We intentionally didn't go because we thought it was going to be a banquet that we didn't need to go to. and would be... We thought everybody else was getting celebrated. Yeah. And instead we were disrespectful. So yeah, but you know, rip the Band-Aid off.

That wasn't the highest of our moments, but I thought it was pretty good. Character consistency, yes. Us being smart and polite and gracious, no. There is... We've done better. So, yeah, we are ripping this Band-Aid off and does not beat around the bush too much, but we will beat around some bushes here. We've reached the close.

This is between you and I. We have kind of mutually taken different paths a little bit to the mutual decision that this is, we are not, we're not doing this show anymore. It may not be productive and there may not be a future in it that either of us can really deal with. Yeah. I think for a lot of people, who've been on the internet, obviously, they've seen a very personal catalyst happen. But I don't think that's where we are right now. I think where we are at is like, this is we did it.

I feel like I did it. I feel like we did what we needed to do. And now the onion is going to be the next people who take over. And that's done. You know? I feel good. Okay. I mean, not good.

But I feel good about it. Sure. I do not feel exactly the same. same. When you're referring to a personal catalyst, you're talking about a video that not everybody who listens to our show saw, sure, but probably a lot of people did. You had some takes on the onion. I had some harsh things to say.

Still do. And I do think that this, that video had a lot of, there's a lot of response to it. A lot of people had a lot of feelings about it. I had a lot of feelings about it as well. But I did believe that it was part of something that we could. work through and we could come to the other side of. Yeah. But the point that I want to make is that for me, that catalyst, people may believe that

to be like a straw that broke the camel's back. And that's not entirely true. No, I, no, absolutely not. The video itself, I don't agree with almost anything you said. Sure. Except for the underlying points you were making. Sure. I agree with a number of those in terms of like righteous passion about the, like,

Not things not being fair Sure But I don't agree with it a lot of things that you say Yeah and we deal with that As as we have Through the course of this show Yep We have dealt with that

And through discussions that we've had After this and in response to this It What's really true is it's more clear That we're not there anymore Yeah That it's, we're not at a point where You and I can really work

through some of our greater differences and the way that is what made the show interesting and fun and to pretend that we can is going to cause trouble and I think that it hurts people. I mean, the thing about comedy duos is that, and this has happened with radio comedy duos for a long time, is after a few years, they hate each other's guts, but then they work together for another 20 years or something like that

without ever really speaking to each other. And I think radio comedy duos or radio duos at all, a lot of the times have the benefit of being lower stakes and the conversations that they're having aren't around things that are really important. And people can feel terribly betrayed by the like, like if you're talking sports. Who cares? Well, people care about sports. Well, people care about sports, but the universe doesn't care about sports. It's in a different way than hatred and. uh, lies and misogyny and transphobia.

These things are, are far more real than, uh, sports fandom. Mm-hmm. And more important to people. So when, when they're kind of, I don't think that we disagree on any of those things, but they certainly touch on things that we disagree with.

And, and, and when those disagreements touch up on things that are really serious and really matter, it's, yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, you can't just blah, blah, blah. No, no. There's, uh, there's a, there's a core belief conflict and I don't think

I think a lot of people would like the internet to be the internet where everybody's mad at each other and everybody says fuck you and I hate you and all that shit and you know there's you can have a core disbelief or a core belief run up against somebody else's core belief and it's not a hatred it's just not I don't I don't feel any ill

will whatsoever it's just sometimes you got to not compromise Sometimes you just gotta. And maybe that's just me. Sure. But it's, you know, that's kind of how I feel. Yeah. And to whatever extent I have any feeling about that,

it's that compromise is a complicated thing. And sometimes it involves actual abandonment of the thing you care about. And sometimes it doesn't. And I think that we would have been able to compromise on a lot more in the past. in a productive way. Yeah. And, you know, this isn't like a disagreement about, like, you don't like the onion, and I'm more wishy-washy on it.

No. Which I think on the surface, some people could probably get that impression. And I want to make sure that no one thinks that. Sure. Like, it's, I think that, you know, I've made my feelings clear. I think that parodying Alex Jones is a difficult game to play. I don't know if anyone should, but they're the people who are, best situated to do it and they, you know, have the blessing of the people that are most

importantly impacted by this. There you go. And I think that because of your very negative and very aggressive response, people might have mischaracterized or misunderstood where I was coming from or what my position was. Right. So I wanted to make sure that that I expressed that in a conversation with you. Absolutely. So yeah, I think it's hard. that we're in a tough spot. The world's just a different place too. It's not the same place it was. It is not.

It's just not. In some ways, the needs of people are far more severe right now. Sure. And in some ways, I think that any, like, focusing on this brand of misinformation, I don't know, I don't know that if it, I don't know if it serves the needs of those in the world who are most impacted. You know, it's, you wish, change happens.

It's true. Whether you like it or not, or whether it's something that you plan for or not, it's change, change just happens. Yeah. And when we set out to do this show, we had no conception of what it was or what it was going to become.

But I do believe that in our most basic and to the ground level of it. We never were like, we're gonna take Alex Jones down. Yeah. Maybe there was a piece of our interest in what we believe to be doing that was crumbling away the edifice

of the fake version of himself that a lot of people believe is real. Yes. And that's great. And I think we've done a tremendous amount of work on that front. Yep. But we never set out to destroy him.

And so... Specifically the opposite. Your initial... position has always been like, you know, I'm not here to fucking kill this guy. I am here to understand. And I think, I think certainly over time we got more, hey, fuck this guy. Sure. Well, he earned it. Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was an evolution of, you know, and it makes total sense. Yeah. But in terms of, you know, what we held as a point that we were doing, there's not a failure in not destroying Alex because I think we all knew that we couldn't.

Sure. That wasn't something that was going to happen. Sure. And the only way, essentially, to get people to stop believing in Santa Claus is for people to stop believing in Santa Claus. You can make a thousand podcasts about like, I've been to the North Pole. They're lying. I swear to you.

Right. I went to Santa Claus, Indiana. I know what I'm talking about. But eventually, the only thing that stops this is people who are drawn to it, treating the content. and the ideas behind it more reasonably and with a more, you know, it's a, it's a ultimately consumer-based, like where the work is is the consumer. Yep.

And I think we would be banging that drum repeatedly were we to just continue and follow on with Alex's stuff. Yep. Now, secondarily, another thing that became a very important piece of this to me through the process of doing was that I realized that there was no central place where you could go to fact check claims that Alex made about himself. When I started doing the show, I had to find hidden RSS feeds that had the old episodes of Alex's show that I could go and consult to fact check these things. And as the process has gone on, there's the KF SISD. Absolutely. You can go

Through every transcript. Yeah. Has put together this amazing archive that were that in existence at the time when we started this show, the show would still have value. But in terms of pointing out the ability of someone to go back and be like, wait, is that what he said? Yeah. It is now so easy for people to do that at the fight fudgee site that. that the point that I could serve as a archivist or as a resource for journalists who want to do a better job about understanding Alex in a fuller context, I don't serve a purpose in that way anymore. And I don't say that in any bitterness or any resentment.

I think that that site has essentially done the most solid work of what I could have aspired to do. in terms of making a wiki. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And so to me, I think that that is something that has grown out of this, and that will live there. And it covers so many other misinformation people. And so people, you know, whatever entertainment loss there is in us not doing the show anymore, real hard, like where the rubber meets the road,

facilitating covering this responsibly, I believe that that mantle is taken care of. Yeah. That that resource is available for people. And that's something that means a lot. So I want to publicly thank the person who put that together. Yeah. Amazing work. I didn't do it.

I mean, if that had been available, I don't know if the questions that you asked that started the show wouldn't have already been answered. It would be very easy for me to answer. Right. So when we started the show, if that had existed, maybe our show wouldn't exist. So, you know, who knows? The process of finding the answer to like, is Alex racist? Or, hey, what does he mean about this thing?

Yep. It would have been very easy. It would have been much easier for us to come to those, like, solve those questions. Yeah. And I think that the charm of the show, a lot of it involves me digging around in shit. And who knows what we'll find. Absolutely. And that never would have been something I did if...

You already knew what you were going to find. Because I probably would just be able to Google it. Yeah, you'd just find it. Oh, this is what I found. I looked for it. And that's better. It's a better state of affairs for everyone. Sure.

Or state of affairs in terms of me creating something fun. Sure. But, hey, you know, you take the rough with the smooth. Can't win them all, as they say. Yeah. So as that has existed, it has, you know, there has been a, slight struggle of purpose. I think, and that's not to say that that website or, you know, the person who made

it is like responsible for me being able. I'm certainly not saying that. But, you know, there's a, what I can bring academically to Alex has been done. Someone took that mantle of making an archive and that's there. Yep. I have contributed as much as I can from an analytical perspective of like, this is how these lies work. And so I do feel I feel like I have hit sort of that maximum.

And at the same time, from our conversations, I don't think it's unfair for me to say that you don't feel like there's a whole lot more that you can add to this. What else is there for me to say about Alex Jones? Mm-hmm. You know, it is one of those things where now considering the change he's made that InfoWars is no, you know, we're knowledge fight. Yeah. And Info Wars is fine.

So what are we, you know? Our name is a joke on a thing that now is not what it was. Right. And is in a way, that's just metaphorically all we need to know. You know? It is an interesting kind of brain fuck or something. Yeah. You know, like our name is now like a metaphor or a pun on something that is now a parody of something that no longer exists.

I think that puts us way down the rabbit hole. I don't think we're the. I think we're like the 30 fifth guy looking in the mirror, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah. And that's, that's strange. It is strange. It is strange. I, yeah.

Yeah, it's, uh, it's hard to imagine things with Alex getting better, you know? So, I mean, like, uh, it's hard to imagine his sort of like huge resurgence of power and popularity. It would require heroic knowledge fighters to rise up and combat, you know? Right. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. I think that, and, you know, from that standpoint, yeah. And then from another standpoint, who are we kidding that, like, he's ever going to say anything that's, like, really worthy of reconsidering.

Yeah. Like, the point that he's coming from. You know what, guys? I got it. Right. Like, I know that I've been probably wrong about it. a fair number of things over the course of this show. But I know that his shit is bullshit.

Yep. And that's not going to change, like, based on some new piece of information or a document that he finds or whatever or some, uh, meme. Yeah. Yep. So I think that the challenge of finding a way that this is interesting. Yeah. Um, also is, is, I mean, sure, it's a new chapter.

Sure. He's got his new fake business. Sure. You know, whatever. But it's just going to be the same. Yeah. You know, I think. We're going to feel real fucking stupid if he starts that painting show.

Oh, God. One of the, well, we'll start a new paint show. Yeah, that'll be, that'll be a, we got to move the brand names. We got to do the whole thing. You know, it would be great. What? House painting show. Alex is on a ladder, just like.

Oh, my God. I saw every time I see zombie house flipping on like a guide. like, yes, and then it's just, it's just old houses. It's not. Oh. I dream of house flipping within a zombie apocalypse. That's not fair. That sounds like an amazing show.

Exploitative title. Bullshit. Yeah, it's infuriating. Because the, like a house can't be a zombie. It can't be, but what if it was? Then it would eat the addicts of other houses. Addicts. Attics.

Attics. Yeah, that's what it would do. That would be interesting. I would watch that. The attic is the head of the house. What if there was a haunted whistle in one of those houses? I'm listening. I think you get that made.

Clearly. I think that can be greenlit, yeah. It's going to suck if that's a good movie. It's just like the idea of it's fucking dumb, but it's actually good. Some odd to her. It's actually Charlie Kaufman's follow-up to being John Malkovich. I'm going to feel like an asshole. Watch out for this whistle.

It would be so good if you blow it. You're not supposed to blow it. You're not, I mean, it's haunted, obviously. But if you do, it does the good, the bad, the ugly whistle. Oh. Yep, all right. So I think that I think we've made a point about the way that neither of us really see moving forward on this. And I don't believe, based on our, you know, some of the fundamental difference that we have and some of the not being really able to work through whatever it is, the tension that creates the interesting dynamic between us.

it makes it difficult for us to say, okay, well, why don't we try something else? And so I don't know exactly like what your plans are or if you have something that you would want to direct people to in the future. I have some projects that I'm working on and I hope people will check them out and will go to them. And hopefully they don't suck. We'll see.

but we're not we're not going to be working together in the in the immediate future not in the immediate future no it's not a hostility it's not a hate but it is a I mean at the very I need a break isn't the best for for all parties for right now especially yeah yeah I mean if you if I'm still writing I still I've published a couple of books I'm at the quiet part loud dot com that's my website I'll finish another book here by the end of the year I imagine so hopefully that'll be good. Yep. That's about where we're at.

I have a URL, but I don't have anything on it. Oh. But it is show me state of mind.com. Okay. It will be a website where I have things. And hopefully, hopefully sooner than later, I think, you know, but yeah, we'll see. You've told me a little bit of your plans and I'm excited to see them come to fruition. I think that the directions that I've gone.

and the things that I find interesting now, I hope that these are able to capture those in a similar way that the wonder of exploring right-wing media has. But I'm not sure. That is not a good sales pitch. Well, here's what's great. We had a good run. We had about as good a run as you.

As anybody has any right to have, if you say, hey, we're just going to do an Alex Jones podcast. That's crazy. If you say we're going to do 1130 of those podcasts, you're absolutely nuts. Yeah. And we did it. This went on far longer than it had any business in terms of a show. Yep.

That, like, you know, I think it's not telling tales out of school that, like, most things don't last that long. They don't. Most shows don't go 1100 episodes or nine years. And that's something that is a pretty fucking weird thing. And I think a year in, six months in, people were like, this isn't going to last. Crazy. It was crazy. And we proved them wrong.

I mean, you know, there's, there's, there's, what was the last thing they said? There's practically a billion podcasts and now a third of them are AI or whatever, you know. To, to be, to be number one is ridiculous, but to be up there. That's fucking amazing, you know, to be up there. That's tough to do. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel like a little bit of this is patting ourselves on the back.

Yeah, now is the time to pat ourselves before no pats. Now pats. On the way out of, you know, whatever space this is and whatever this is, yeah, it is. I can reflect a little bit of like a, hey, pretty cool. We did a pretty cool thing and I'm glad we did. I don't regret that aspect of things at all. I do think that as we are recording this as a bit of a announcement of our A farewell retirement from this.

Something, yeah. I do think that it is only right that, first of all, I acknowledge all of the people who are such a huge part of, whether it's the actual functioning parts of the show with DJ Dan Ard. making the theme. Oh my God. Angela Lampsberry and all of her designs and all of these things. Absolutely. Or if we go the other way to everybody who sent such thoughtful, cool things that decorate

the office that we record in, without both the help of a cool theme song maker and things like people who've sent in designs and the emotional abilience of people who express their creativity in a way that's a inside joke around something we've created. I can't thank you all enough for the act of creating those things and sending them to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the way that you have been able to create a community around something that is so toxic as Alex Jones. It's something that is so inspiring. and I know that just because we are stopping the show,

I don't feel like I cannot still have some feeling toward the audience of the community. I can't abandon people who have so much invested. And so please feel free to email KnowledgeFight at gmail. And I will do my damn best to get back to everybody that I can. I hope it'll be everybody who emails. I don't know. There might be some mean emails and that that'll be fine. I don't know.

We might be in a button situation, my friend. I made it through the button situation. You did. You made it through three button situations. Yeah. So that's okay. But I recognize and I think it's important to express that stopping the show is something that we can make an immediate choice on and do.

And it is something that everyone who listens to the show and it has been part of their life, there's going to be a process to it. And they're going to take the news and feel a certain way about it. And it would not be right of me to sit here, pat myself on the back, and then be like, and good luck.

Yeah. So I want to make clear that I will not, that's not, the way I foresee myself doing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, when we were in Portland,

and I was on side stage right before we had gone out, and one of the security people came up to me and specifically said, this is one of the most kind, and this was the night that I learned what an atmospheric river is, which is a river in the sky.

That was that night. It was wet. Tons of people wound up not being able to make it. And the people who did fought their way through it and they were still kind. If anybody could have had a reasonable, like, curtness or a bit of annoyance from just surviving that long out in the rain. None of them, none of you guys did. And it's one of our legacies, I think, that will be perfect. But it's a legacy also that we didn't, like, I don't think that we did.

They grew up around us. And we were blessed to have drawn in and attracted people and listeners and an audience that was that way. Yep. That was not interested in fighting. That was not interested in, you know, stupid petty concerns. Yeah. And I will be eternally grateful for that. And I hope that I hope that some of you are interested in the things that we do in the future.

whatever they may be. Absolutely. And I hope that, I hope that everyone's fine. Is there anything front of mind for you, anything else? That you feel?

No. No, the only way I would want to go out is just letting you know how much it means to me, how much it has meant to me, how much you mean to me, and how much this old thing. thing is meant so thank you to everybody that's the way i want to go out and thank you for being a part of

this ride um and to you know everyone in the audience there are truths that we discovered and found along the way that would not have been possible without you humoring us through some bullshit and some times of bullshit. And that is, you know, in a way that is not like anything else that I've ever done in my career or in creative pursuits that I've had, there was a, an amount of if people had and people had not been as solid as they were and as cool as they were, I think that both of us would have lost interest or not been able to continue. as far as we have.

Yep. So thank you, and that is definitely the thing that I will, is most important to me of this time. So I guess with this, we will sign off on this farewell. We are having, we still have our live show that we're doing at the Brothers Roundhouse. Two Brothers Roundhouse on May 16th. I mean, it's sold out. It'll be a big party.

Unfortunately, anybody who's listening to this is not going to be able to get tickets per se. And people who have, I don't know, maybe they might be angry and want to burn them, or maybe they'll want to come celebrate or something. I don't know. But there's an element where there's people who have made travel plans and stuff and you can't cancel that. We're going to do it. So we'll be there for a final show. Yep.

And that's the plan. That will come out on the audio to so long as someone doesn't screw up the recording. As long as the recording works, that will come out as a final episode. But thank you all again. And I don't know. Am I the mysterious professor anymore? I mean, I think we're Dan and Jordan. I think that we have reverted to Dan and Jordan.

Not Jordane. No. No longer is the D in your name capitalized. We are ourselves. We are individuals. Yeah. And that journey. Hurrah.

Yep. But sex robots are still coming. Absolutely. I do need to warn everyone that the sex robots are still coming. And for what will maybe be one of the last times. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex.

I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you.