Knowledge Fight - TWTWYTT Special

Episode Date: July 12, 2017

Today, Dan drops a special episode for you. Dan and Marty DeRosa's conspiracy theory podcast, That's What They Want You To Think, is returning, but many of you out there are not aware of why that is something to be excited about. So, here is a special taste of what that show is all about. Recorded sometime in 2016, this episode features Dan and Marty exploring what happened during the Salem Witch Trials. To get access to the archives of past TWTWYTT episodes, and all the new episodes to come, donate to the show and become a Policy Wonk.

I'm a policy wonk. Hey everybody, how's it going, Dan here. Welcome back to the show. Got a little special episode here for you. We had a little bit of a scheduling difficulty. I had to, in the middle of this week, had to go get my stitches taken out from my minor surgery that I had recently.

And so, you know, what with work schedules and what have you, me and Jordan didn't have time to get together, but I wanted to get something out for you here on this Wednesday to enjoy. And it seemed to me like perhaps a great opportunity to make a little bit of an announcement about business. As you know, a lot of you have donated to the show and I really appreciate it.

All y'all policy wonks out there. And I want to try and sweeten the pot a little bit in terms of what you get if you donate. Not really great at merch. Not great at making buttons or bumper stickers or as we apparently now have to make based on a Twitter poll I put up, a Knowledge Fight cod piece which may be in the works.

I'm not great at that stuff, but I do like creating content for you and making shows. And so one of the things that we're going to be doing now is if you are a policy wonk, if you donate to the show over $2 a month, you will be granted access to a password protected page on KnowledgeFight.com that will contain all sorts of goodies. And by goodies, I mean it will be the exclusive place

where you can find new episodes of me and Marty DeRosa's show. That's what they want you to think. A conspiracy theory exploration show. I guess it would be the best way to put that. I don't know, it's kind of dumb, but it's a lot of fun. People seem to enjoy that. Also, I will be doing a paranormal investigation show that I started up and then abandoned

about a year and a half ago or so. I put out one episode about Atlantis and then just stopped because it was too much work. But I'm going to pick that up and it will be behind this paywall. So if you guys would like to be granted access to that stuff, I am putting together the actual page on the website right now and we'll give everyone an update

when there will actually be new episodes and new content up on there. But for now, I feel like we have a lot of new listeners. There's a lot of people who are coming around who maybe weren't around back when that's what they want you to think existed. And so I felt, hey, maybe we should take this opportunity for you to get a little taste of what that show is

because it's a little different than just listening to Alex Jones a bunch, certainly different than that. So here I would like to present to you to enjoy a little teaser, a little sample. This is an episode of that's what they want you to think that me and Marty DeRosa recorded, perhaps maybe two years ago, year and a half ago. This is an episode that we did about the Salem Witch Trials

and I don't remember anything about it, but I'm going to guess that we got to the bottom of it. I predict that we didn't get sidetracked talking about fucking at all. Who knows? Anyway, I hope you all enjoy. And like I said, if you'd like to donate, please do so, go to knowledgefight.com,

click the support the show button. And like I said, I will send out passwords for the page on knowledgefight.com in the near future. Thank you all and we'll be back with a regular Knowledge Fight episode very shortly. I'm a policy wonk. All I do is smash heads, bro. Hey everybody, hello, welcome back to Freesome Point.

I'm Dan Freeson, alongside me, my man, my main man, my conspiracy theory bro, my minister of truth. And ladies and gentlemen, Marty DeRosa. I am the main man with the conspiracy theory plan. Yes. I am the main man with the conspiracy theory plan. I am the main man with the conspiracy theory plan. I am the main man with the conspiracy theory plan.

I am, what else, what else? I feel like minister of truth is strong. Minister of truth sounds like there was someone in public enemy who was the minister of truth. Yeah, probably Professor Griff. Professor Griff, sister soldier. Yeah, you're one of them. Yeah, but the minister of truth.

Very forward-minded in making a woman the minister of truth. I feel like also if you, if I was gonna have our truth. The pro wrestler, our truth. Officiate my wedding. He also would be the minister of truth. Yeah, he would. That would be a great wedding. In Ring of Honor.

The ring bearer would be an invisible child. Ooh. In Ring of Honor, which Kolkabanna famously wrestles for. Yes, you're a VIP. One-and-a-half, lifelong VIP anyway. But one of the heel factions is managed by Truth Martini, who is a, you gotta get him on the show, Dan.

Done. You gotta get him on the show. I don't like Jim. Jim? Jim is a Martini joke. Oh, Truth Martini, okay. Anyway, well, we'll just leave it to you. Boy, oh boy.

You wanna just stop the podcast right now? Here's the problem. We're recording this in the middle of the day. Yes. It's really hot out. I am fresh off a brunch with no booze. I'm feeling amazing. What?

You got a sober brunch? I got in a fight with my bus driver. You did. See, that put me in a weird mood. Yeah. Because I'm like, this guy that I've known for six, seven years. I know. Maybe he's been racist all along.

Hey, whoa. Y'all in it, like, bus drivers? I just happened to be black and I just happened to be white. It was a door issue. It was not a race issue. But anyway, Truth Martini, his faction is called the House of Truth. Yeah.

And he has a book called The Book of Truth. Anytime you use truth, it becomes like you're lying. You know, it automatically, whenever you put the word truth. That's thou protest or claim to know the truth too much? Someone doth. Doth do. So anyway, guys, I wanna say thank you to everybody who loves, that's what they want you to think.

I'm still getting, I'm still getting Facebook messages and tweets about. Alyssa Lam. Alyssa Lam. Yeah. I'm still getting you motherfuckers. I'll get a photo, like a text message. I'll get a photo of an elevator and going,

well, I don't wanna go on this because of you and fucking Dan. I'm like, oh. You've made me fear normal things. We did our job. And then someone took a picture of a woman cutting half in the park and they're like, oh, you guys, I'm like, what?

What? I'm kidding, I'm kidding with the black doll, yeah. For all of the like podcasts I've done, we're like in the 320s or so now episodes. Nothing has really rung people's bell, quite like you and me talking about weird shit. I think. So, thanks to everybody.

Yeah, and it's like I always say with these, like if you're sitting behind the desk at work right now or something like that, maybe this isn't, maybe you go listen to another episode of Frees and Point. Sure. Plenty of those available. Plenty of those available. Maybe you get a little sweet tooth for wrestling,

pop over to Marty and Sarah Love Wrestling. Sure, you can get that on Sirius XM. Not yet. That was just playing on his thing. Oh, okay. I saw that picture on Twitter. But, or maybe you like music, you know, make yourself a jam sandwich.

Sure, all of these are options for your day. But, with this one, this is when that sun needs to be down, the moon has come up, you're maybe a little high, you're in bed maybe. I don't recommend listening to this drunk. Here's what I say. High is way better. Here's what I say.

You've had a long day at work. Okay, and in my scenario, this is kind of a hot babe. What's this hot babe doing as a job? Is she like in administration, so like at an office or something like that? She's a nurse. Oh, shit, okay. Yeah, she's a nurse.

She's a long day. Very codependent. She's had a long day. Emotionally drained from dealing with the issues of other people. Yeah, she works three on four off. She just hit her third day. She is exhausted.

Oh my God. She is home. But, she has four days off now. Four days off. Which is, that's a long haul. Four days off. She lit some candles in the bathroom. And smoked a little, little J.

Little free tree. Little, yeah, a little free tree. Burning that herb. And then she's ready to, she drew a bath. Oh, let me ask you this. Yeah, bath expert Dan Friesen, check it in. Oh, we got a call. We got a call.

Bath expert Dan Friesen from Chicago. My eyes get wide open. Bath talk. So, I'm just asking. Yeah. Salt, bath bomb, or bubbles in this young lady scenario. She's got, what are the, not salt, or the other one?

Bath bomb? Bath bomb. She's got a bath bomb. Okay. Yeah. It's a good choice. Yeah, she's got a bath bomb. Maybe a pillow that goes on the back of the bed.

You know what she did? Cause all the other nurses are like, you gotta get this. She got this one thing you get on Amazon. It's got suction cups and you put it on the wall. Are you talking about a dildo? No, Dan. You could have been to be fair.

Suction cups that go on the bathroom wall. That's in her drawer on the side of her bed. That's for later. But, so she's got all the accoutrements that make her a great bath. You're talking about the suction cups. Is that the pillow? To put the pillow on the wall

so it doesn't slide down or anything. It's implied. Yeah. Oh, okay. Sorry, I didn't know. When I said pillow, I'm not talking about like a bed pillow. Sorry. I didn't know what I was talking about.

It was a bath master. So she turns off the lights, candles. Candles. And then, and then she hits, she, here's what she did. Cause she's such a fan of this podcast. She skipped past the Samy Zane theme song. Yeah.

The Us, Dicking Around. She got straight to. Straight into. That's why they want you to think. They don't want you to use your third eye to know what the truth is. If you don't know what we're talking about this week, maybe Dan put it in the description.

I don't know, but it's something that's always been on my mind, thinking how the fuck did that happen? Was our society ready to crumble at such an early age in this country's life? Life, life. Women were afraid of you. Women, we can't handle your power, power, power.

That's what they want you to think. I gotta say, we nailed that. We nailed that music cue. Yeah. I had a whole other line about periods and I just can't imagine. And I thought about this too. This has been another.

Speaking as a producer, I had to cut you off there. Sure. The song was spiraling. It was getting too self-indulgent. Some of the things I've wondered about. Like, I'll have these questions. I think we talked about it in the elevator last time about why specifically African slaves were picked.

Uh-huh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I get these questions sometimes in my heads. In my heads, head, in my head. You have multiple heads. In my head, in my head. Oh, this is a, I hope everybody listens to all the Dan Fries and family podcasts.

Sure, the family of podcasts. On Jam Sandwich. I'm the king of all media. On Jam Sandwich, where I famously posed nude. It took a tasteful nude in your Starbucks bathrobe. Which you can probably, Starbucks cooking robe or whatever. You can probably find that on ManOnTop69.com.

Well, you most definitely can find that on. That's gonna be one where someone's like, what the fuck? But they'll still see that and go, man, I'm okay. But, what do you think? That episode actually should be out today. Sure. So like, if you're listening to this

and you wanna hear Marty on Jam Sandwich, that episode should be out right now actually. So go fucking listen to that. We had a good time. I might say a few things. One of the bands. In the microphone. One of the bands.

One of the bands we talked about. No, I don't think I'm speaking out of school here. I think I can say this. Fair. We talked about bands that we wish never existed. Yes. Like if we could stop a band. Limp Biscuit came up.

I think it might go with Evanescence. Ooh, really? Yeah. I like Evanescence. Really? Yeah, I like Goth Rock. Cause I just saw. Not sincerely.

Someone posted one of their videos today on Facebook. Wake me up. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Call me when you're sober. Wake me up. Before you go, Goth.

Wake me up. Before you go, Goth. You wear the black hair and the eyeliner. So Amy Lee was very attractive though. She was an attractive Goth lady. She had a nice voice. I loved doing Wake Me Up at Karaoke. That was one of my big karaoke jams.

I like also how you famously said on another podcast of yours that you hate when guys do, what song at Karaoke? It's a female song. Oh yeah, of course that. I was big on board with that. I fucking hate that when you're trying to co-opt. It's the same.

I've seen some people post snarky things about like, the joke is you're unattractive so you like pose slightly nude. Like big dudes always taking their shit. I'm not talking about you. I'm not proud of my body. Right. Not that.

That's different. That's just you being gay as shit in my kitchen. Wow, Dan. But I mean like fat guys at their shirt off being funny. I don't really necessarily think that there's comedy value to that. And like dude singing chick song, I don't really think that there's much,

there's nothing super interesting about that. Like you said, they get that little gleam in their eyes and like, when he goes, do you think about me? When he goes down on you and I think about you. And they're probably like, yeah, that's right. That's my big, that's my big closer. I'm throwing it out there. You know what I'm doing at karaoke?

Meredith Brooks, I'm doing bitch. You know what I don't like? I don't like when women, especially of color. Oh boy. Sing, pretty fly for a white guy. Not a fan, not a fan. Take that shit somewhere else. I don't like when people who don't like to be playful

sing original prankster. Trying to think of other bad offspring. Yeah, man, wow. I don't like people who are into combining things singing keep them separated. Okay, moving on. That was me cutting off the theme song for you. Exactly, because I was gonna keep doing that for you.

Oh, I could just see your brain. I don't like people who only speak English singing X-Nay on the ombre. Okay, we're done. I think that's just an album. Yeah, I think so too. So today, Marty, you've chosen the topic for us to discuss. In the theme song you mentioned,

it's something that's always been on your mind. Always. That's interesting to me. Always. Anything that is of the kind of supernatural, but like real, I'm on board. Times that universes have intersected somewhat. Yes, or just like, what the fuck were you guys thinking?

Like one of the real weird hidden gems of the Nazi, the rise and fall of the Nazis is, Hitler loved sending his brows on excursions. By the way, this is only one of the hidden gems. Jesus, what? I know, I know, there's so many, but all we, but like, and here's one of the things that I think both you and I are drawn to

about the rise and fall of the Nazis is their sweet tooth for the occult. Yeah, and that there's so many layers in that world that you're never taught in schools. Right, and a mad, like, if I was sitting in class and one of our teachers was like, so yeah, you know, they put the Jews in the concentration camp. They tried to take over Europe.

Also, they believed that there was a fountain of youth. They believed that there was a, just all these different. They studied the writings of Ponce de Lyon. Basically, they thought there was all these like, treasures out there that were actively working on a time machine. Yeah, well, where they did. Probably did.

Where they did figure it out. But anyway, a lot of stuff like that. And then one of the things I remember, I don't know who he sent out, but they went to, I don't know what continent. And probably Antarctica. No, it might have been like Africa or something like that. But anyway, there were these like native people

and they were so fascinated with how they looked. They wanted to take like a plaster casting mold of their faces to bring back to Hitler. Look at these weirdos. And somehow these tribes people were like, okay. Like it was so bizarre. They were like, okay. That is weird.

They'd just be game for it. Well, what they forgot to do was put like a straw or some type of breathing apparatus through it. And they killed a bunch of these people and they were like, oh, shit. And then they just had to wipe a bunch out. So it's like, oh, Nazis. But I don't know where, I don't even know why.

That's that like, oh, not like a sitcom-y response. Yeah. Like Hogan's here. I was like, it's off. It happens again. So your point with all that though is that like real stuff that happened in our history where I'm just like, I mean, like even slavery, it's like, who thought this was okay?

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. Real crazy. And that mentality does also inform our modern lives. And that like, it would be stupid for us to think that a hundred years from now, we won't look back on whatever culture is today and be like, how the fuck is that all right? Sure, sure.

I think gay people, how we treat gay people. Sure. And women. And women are trans. That very much bleeds into our topic. No pun intended. Oh, this was what I was going to say. I wonder what like, even like in the caveman days, like when a woman got her period,

they must have been like, what the fuck is going on with you? We have to kill you. Which I think they did. I don't think they'd kill them because then society would die out. That's true. Like I know from a lot of old religious texts in general,

what they would do is like, you're unclean, so you must go to the shack. Yeah, go to the love shack. Made it. It's about 20. Hurry up and bring your period money. Like so, I have to assume, even in caveman times, there was like, all right,

you go to that part of the cave, no one can touch her. Yeah. That sort of thing. Or they're real horny cavemen who are like, I'm into this. Do you think there's cavemen who are popping the cork? I'm into this. So to speak.

It makes me feel like I'm killing you. No. Jesus. Marty. Sorry, sorry. Can we strike that from the record? Can we strike that from the record? Might have to bleep that.

Shit. Why did I say that? Anyway, another pot thought I had the other day was, it's kind of crazy how there's such, cause I think I was watching MSNBC and they were talking about, well, like 51% of women and 49% of men, and I'm like, it's so crazy how we're like so equal in numbers.

That's true. Like, that's weird. Why is that weird? Why isn't there like 30% men, 70% women? I think because of how, you know how- I mean, is it a genetic coin toss? Yeah, basically, you know, with coin tosses, if you have a million coin tosses,

there'll be approximately 500,000 heads and approximately 500 tails. It's just weird how probability works out that way. Maybe. You have seven billion people on the planet, right? Something like that? I don't know. Six or seven.

Yeah, so you have that. Of course, it's gonna be about 50-50. Every time you fuck, it's a coin flip. Well, every time you- I felt a coin to go who's on top. Oh yeah? Yeah. Especially when you're 69.

I only do one person on top the whole time. I never switch around. No? I'm like, you're either on top or I'm on top. I don't switch around. That's interesting. I'm kidding. You're a man of principle.

I'm kidding. How many position changes do you think you're good for? I couldn't see a whole different question. How many partners are you looking at? I'm already right now. Oh my God. How many position changes in a session, do you think? In a session?

I'll tell you, I think I'm good for like four. Tops. He's pantomimeing. I'm thinking like- One, two, three, four. Yeah, I think four is about your average. It's difficult to pass four without it getting really weird. Well, here's what happens when things you end up-

Now when you're starting to talk about those other positions, those are like you're going into it with a girl being like, hey, I saw this. I want to try this. You're talking about dippies? Dippies? Yeah. I think I know what you're talking about.

From your act. Yeah, dippies. I call that mommy style now. Anyway, I changed the name. It's up mommy style. But you want to understand that, go see Marty DeRosa live. Live, anywhere, I'll be staying. But we're 16 minutes in.

We haven't said what we're talking about. Let's just go the whole time. All right, you know what? Enough talk, Dan. Enough talk. Playtime's over. All right. Talking about the Salem Witch Trial.

Holy shit. They happen. They were real. You can go there. It's an amusement park kind of thing now. There's at least an amusement park? I mean, I know that there's parks. Parks.

But I thought those were more like memorial parks. Not like, hey, go on the witches teacup ride. Or like, this is a hemlock. Yeah, or how like those escape chambers are the big things now. Oh, can you get out that thing? Those like they lock you in a room and you're sad date after trying to.

Oh man. Well, I mean, that's got it. Isn't that what that is? You think a lot of couples break up doing that? Just fucking pull the thing. I am. I think it's not couples. I think that's a date thing where it's like fourth date

or something like that. And it's a bad idea. Or it's just for reality shows. Yeah. Like reality shows. Doesn't your boy Jimmy Pardo host one of those? Race to Escape? Yeah.

I think that got canceled. I think it might have. I'm not sure. Who saw that coming? I don't know. It seems like a good idea. You've got people in a box. But who wants to watch something where you know like,

it's the book. Pull the book on the bookshelf and you'll be out of there. Yeah, it's the same thing with watching like a mystery that you know the answer to. Like if you watch like a Poirot. Yeah. You know what I'm not a fan of lately? John Walsh has a new show on headline news.

I thought he was dead. Oh, hey. I did. I'm not saying he should be. That's his son you're talking about. Oh, that's right. You're confusing with his son. But anyway, he has a show,

which is basically, it's kind of a new unsolved mystery. So they go a little heavier into the backstory and it's just one person. And then at the end, you're like waiting for like, all right, so how'd they catch this guy? And he's like. We don't know anything. He's still on the loose.

And if you know, call Crime Stoppers. And you're like, oh shit. It's not quite the nice feeling you get when Dateline wraps a bow on it. And you know, okay, it was the ex-boyfriend. Yeah, yeah, they give you the conclusion and it's either like he's in prison or we killed him. You know, yeah.

But anyway, Salem Witch Trials. Let's get into it. I'm interested that this has fascinated you over life because to me, it's something that I learned about in school days and I didn't care that much. I will say that my research of it for preparation of this podcast has made me care more about it and then less.

Like the process of researching, I cared a lot and now I'm back to not caring much. I, here's why I love it and I don't feel like I, and maybe I wasn't paying attention in school, which is a distinct possibility. I might've had a processing illustrated and folded up in my notebook and I was reading it while like I was taking notes.

Dreaming of one day being the next Meltzer. Or yeah, or I was writing out the card that I was gonna have of my wrestlers when I got home. I could definitely see you being a fan fiction wrestling guy back in the day. For sure. So, maybe even still two day. But now, I love witches.

I love the dark arts. Yeah. I'm getting that tattooed on my hands. Dark arts, perfect knuckle tattoo, shout out Nick. And I also love, I hate to say I love, but I am fascinated by the idea of a society freaking out over something where it's like, come on guys. What's fascinating to me is the idea that like,

even within the context of it, the witch trials that went on, that people were like, well, some of this stuff is white magic. Yeah. And that's cool. Yeah, yeah. So like, everybody basically accepted that magic and the supernatural shit was real.

And it was just like, these people are using the wrong part of it. It's almost like the force in some ways from Star Wars. Yes. There's some of that. So let me give you a little bit of context for the situation. From February 1692 to May 1693, if you think about that,

that's over a year that this shit was going on. That no one was like, guys, cool it. What the fuck's going down there in Salem or Delaware? It was in Salem Village largely. But it involved like Andover and Ipswich and some of the neighboring communities. Yeah. What y'all doing over there killing witches?

We're in. Guys, be cool, be cool. You guys cool? Everything cool? Yeah, I've been wondering about that Stephanie over there. So a lot of it happened, and I say Salem Village, because that's important, it comes back.

Because there was Salem Village and Salem Town. There were two different entities at the time, but we're very closely involved with each other. Salem Town was a more robust economy. There is a more of a mercantile town where there were industries and it was modern for late 1600s time. Whereas Salem Village was a far more agricultural rooted area.

So. Would you look at that movie, The Village? You know what, I didn't hate it. You know what? That was not where I had a problem with Shyamalan. I kind of was okay with it. I didn't like the execution, but I loved the idea. To me it's like The Purge.

Great idea. Yeah. Not great execution. But with The Purge, it has my boy Ethan Hawke in it. Hell yeah. And as we all know, I love Ethan Hawke. I love The Hawke. I love the Hot of Summer, his book.

I have not. I just thought his mustache was great in boyhood. Guess you don't love The Hawke as much as I do. Good. Did you like boyhood? Didn't see it. Great. Heard it was too long.

It was a little long. Too boring and too self congratulatory that they filmed it over 12 years. That is super impressive, but yeah, the movie's not as good. I love how they were going to call it 12 years all along and then 12 years of slave came out right before and they had to change the name. Back to The Witch.

Yes. So 14 women and six men were executed over the course of this year. Were these men warlocks? They were familiars and shit like that. A warlock is a male witch, right? Yeah, yeah. Some of them were actually accused of being male witches

and some of them were just like, hey, you're helping these witches. That's my old lady, man. What do you want me to do? In addition to those 20 people who were executed 19 by hanging and then Giles Corey was killed by putting rocks on top of him, so he suffocated. He's creative.

He's a badass. Can we do something a little different for this one? Well, the reason that they did that to him was because he refused to enter a plea. Like everybody else either pled not guilty or some of them pled guilty and fucking started snitching, but that we'll get to in a minute. But he refused to submit a plea

and a lot of people believed that the reason he did that was if he said not guilty and was found guilty, he would have to give up rights to his estate. So his inheritance wouldn't go to his son and so by not giving a plea, he protected his estate. So in situations where they don't give a plea, you still got to torture a little bit

in order to get them to plea. So they put a board on top of him and just started pressing rocks on top. Like giving rocks and like, do you want to give a plea now? No. And it took, I think it said it took two days of him just being pressed by boards and then he finally died.

So the other ones were hung. And then in addition to that, five people, including two children, died in prison. Yeah, that hurt. Because of the conditions and the incarcerations. See, I was, and this again is my, I oftentimes can be misinformed when we're talking about these things.

That is the theme of the podcast. That is the theme of the podcast, me going, well, Dan, I heard this and you're like, that's not true. Nope, this should just be a nope sound effect. So one of the things that I used to think about this trial was that like, basically they'd be like, hey, we think you're a witch. We're going to like, light you on fire.

And if you are a witch, you'll be able to survive it. And if you're not, well, we were wrong. Well, that was actually from the more, the English and European. Oh, okay. A lot of that had to do with, and not outside of the context of Salem, there's still some instances in New England

of them being like, well, if you're a witch, you won't drown. Yeah, the drowning was a big thing too. That sort of thing. But that has to do more with the- English variety. To me, that is just such like, such like flawed logic.

But you have to assume that the people who are sending out these sentences know that. I guess. Because it's a thing where it's like, well, the problem solves itself. Like she's dead anyway. We either were right or we were wrong, but she's gone anyway.

It's what I keep thinking about when I read a lot of these instances of like the individual people who are accused, so much of it makes me think of Socrates. Because Socrates in Ancient Greece. Or Socrates in Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Indeed. He was killed by a drinking hemlock. He had a sentence that was passed on to him.

And the reason that they gave for his execution was that he was corrupting the minds of the children of Athens. Because he didn't want to say that there were tons of gods. He had a more monotheistic idea of things. That is the story that we're told. But if you actually look at the history, the truth is they killed him because he was being a dick.

People were just annoyed. He was a schizophrenic who would run around town and like just say anything. I like wrestling a real lot. But why do you like wrestling? Oh, I don't know. I mean the sport, the theatrics, the drama. What is it about theatrics that makes a man entertained?

No, I don't know. It just does it for me. So basically as annoying as that is? Yeah, I have a couple of friends like that. The Socratic method is just like constantly asking questions. So the Socratic method is usually, what people who don't like pro wrestling sound like to me. Yes, basically.

You know it's fake, right? I'm Socrates. But the reason that he comes to mind is that like, they were like, all right, you're annoying the shit out of people. So you will either kill you or you can leave town. You just sort of, we're gonna give you a death sentence, but we're also gonna let your friends come

and smuggle you away if you want to go. Yeah. And like Cridious comes and is like, hey, you can leave. And he's like, nah, I'm gonna take my sentence. And he willingly drinks the hemlock. But the reason it brings it to mind is that like, either way, it takes care of the problem.

Socrates is bumming people out and we gotta get rid of them. So many of these people are just like, hey, you know, whether they're a witch or not, it'll solve our problem. All right. I want, what I need you to do, and I'm sure you'll do it,

is I need you to basically paint a picture of who these people were. I'll do a little bit of that. And why they started getting in trouble. But before I do that, what I want to do is lay out. Lay it out. A little bit of a context for the world that we're living in.

All right. So we have the colonies, the Massachusetts Bay Colony, is where all of these things take place. And within that, you know, I don't know how far we have to go back, but the people who came over from England. Yes.

Were looking for religious freedom. Sure, sure. But they weren't really. No. They were kind of assholes. They kind of just wanted to do what they wanted to do. They wanted to do their religion freely. And also force it on a lot of people.

Yeah, and not let anyone else do any other religion, but there's. So in the 1600s, people, their version of religion was very fucked up in terms of the devil was a real thing. Sure. And he loved to talk to you. And he wears Prada.

Yes. A sheet. A sheet. They had like these ideas about ghosts and. And he goes down to Michigan or Georgia. Michigan was the hip hop version. Do you hear the hip hop version of that? It went down to Michigan.

Oh, do you go up to Michigan? The one up to Michigan. Yeah, you're right. I'm sorry. Was he still looking for a sold steel? Yeah. Is he still behind? Instead of the fiddle, it was two turntables.

Made of gold. He made a steel. Oh, the wheels of steel. And it's like you scratch pretty good. I want to say the KMC crew. Could we play it at the end? I'm going to look it up. Yeah.

It's so good. Devil went up to Michigan. He was looking for a sold steel. KMC crew. That's crazy. I love it. KMC crew. It's weirder to me though, too,

that more people haven't done their own versions of the devil went down to Georgia. Oh, I know. Devil's in the house. Oh, that was another thing to go. Devil's in the house. It was so good. Maybe we should play it right now

because I think I could concentrate. I can't either, but it's not on Spotify. Devil's in the house. OK. So from 1692 to 1693 is when the proper Salem witch trials were going on in that hysteria. However, 50 years before that or so, there was a bunch of other witchcraft-related situations

that were happening. So recognized generally as the first woman who was put to death for being a witch in the Massachusetts Bay Colony was a lady named Alice Young. She was 47 years old. This was in May of 1647 in Springfield. She was hanged for being a witch. And historically, if you look at it,

generally people see it as a thing where they were trying to protect an inheritance because her late husband owned a very large estate and she had no son. This would be a nice way to railroad people, too. Like one of these, like, looky here. What do we got here? A couple witches.

And so then if she has no son, there's no one to inherit. It goes to the state, essentially, or goes back to the township or whatever. And to further make that claim that it was some wackiness, her daughter, who theoretically could have inherited stuff if she'd gotten married, or I'm not entirely sure how all those rules work, she was promptly

accused of being a witch also. Oh, matter of fact, yeah, it's like, we think you're a witch. We're going to take your property. She's like, well, I have a daughter. She'll get it. Oh, she's also a witch. So after that, in 1648, the period between 1648 to 1663, there's a proto-witch hunt that goes on.

And it's sort of the beginnings of this sort of thing. 80 people are accused of being a witch, 15 are killed, two of them are men who are killed. And some of the stuff is hilarious. Yeah, give me some reasons why. What constitutes them being witches? Also, do you ever think someone's like, oh, I'm so glad we left Europe.

I can't stand that guy? And then some guys like, Bill, Judy, guess who moved to America? The witch. And they're like, god damn it. Can we say he's a witch? There was a guy named Witchfinder General Matthew Hopkins. OK, that, like, said he's the entertainer, or just a good thing he's an entertainer,

because that guy's name is Witchfinder. Yeah, he'd given himself this title, I'm sure. And he created a manual in order to help people find witches. Of course. And I'm sure this is going to be real fact-based. Absolutely, absolutely. His first technique that he used was a technique called watching.

OK. And what you'd do is you'd sit a witch down in daylight with people watching. And if they are actually a witch, within 24 hours, an imp will appear. What's an imp? Well, like a familiar, like an imp would be like a little tiny person.

Oh, hello, Nan. There you go. Yep, that's an imp. It's me. And they would show up within 24 hours, because they depend on the witch for feeding. So if there's not a witch, there's no imp that needs to be fed. Let me get some of that tiddy milk, witch.

There is literally no way that was ever successful in finding a witch. Yeah, it's like. And witchmaster, how many times have you come across that being the case? So many. Lots. OK, so he's flying by the seat of his pants with step number one.

This was used in relation to the case of Margaret Jones. You know what I bet happened? Her kid was like, Mom, I'm starving. I want breakfast. Oh, it's an imp. Let me suck that tea. It's an imp. No, it's a kid.

No, it's an imp. So Margaret Jones was the next person who was killed in 1916, 40, whatever. And she was found guilty. And these are the reasons that were given. John Winthrop recorded the evidence that was against her. One, she had a malignant touch. So people that she touched would end up getting sick.

That's a great Phil Cowan song. She seems to have a malignant touch. So people who came in contact with her got sick. We could very easily argue that there's communicable diseases. Absolutely. She was always picking her nose, always had her hands in her mouth. Yeah, people were dirty as shit back then.

She was a practicing psychic. And she had medicines, like any seeds and liquors that had violent effects on people. OK, so she wasn't good at her job. Yeah, I guess. Hey, drink this poop water. It'll make you feel better. And they drink it and get sick.

Yeah, essentially like a holistic healer back then. But it was much worse discipline. She could tell the future, which I don't believe is the truth. Some things she said came to pass that she should have no knowledge of. I don't know. She had, upon search, an apparent teat as fresh as had been newly sucked.

And after it had been scanned upon a forced search, it was withered. And a new teat began on the opposite side of her. I don't know. What the fuck? She had titties. She had weird titties. I don't know.

OK. So then the watching part comes into play. In the prison, in the clear daylight, there was seen in her arms, she sitting on the floor, in her clothes up, a little child, which ran from her into another room. And the officer following it, it was vanished. The like child was seen two other places

to which she had relation. And one maid that saw it fell sick upon it and was cured by the said Margaret, who used means to be employed to that end. Her behavior at the trial was very intempermental, lying notoriously and railing upon the jury and witnesses. And in the like distemper, she died. So basically, the evidence that they used was there

was a child that disappeared. And some lady got sick and then was cured by Margaret. And she was mean in court. Yeah, the Socrates thing kind of reminds me of some of these people. I mean, how many of these was just some good old fashioned mental illness? Tons.

That they couldn't explain. Maybe a lot of it. And they were just like, you're a witch. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like this. So I have a feeling we're going to crack this case, Dan. We are. I think I've gotten to the bottom of a lot of this.

Dan has documents. So before we get to the actual Salem stuff, there's a couple of other case studies that are indicative to me that we are not dealing with witchcraft pretty much ever. That first case, we have basically an inheritance scheme. Yeah. Protecting an inheritance.

Cash grab. In 1656, there's a lady named Ann Hibbins. She was killed in 1656. In 1640, she sued some carpenters who had overcharged her. She was getting some carpentry work done. These dudes overcharged her. They thought that the way that she treated them was very rude in court.

And the way that she was acting was inappropriate, unbecoming of a lady, that sort of thing. So they called the church to investigate it, basically. Ann refused to apologize for the way that she treated these carpenters who had committed a crime against her. And I'm Adam Crowley here. Oh, boy.

I know all about bad carpenters, Dan. Oh, if to catch a carpenter existed back then, oh my god. You got it. This girl, she just had some bad carpentry. And I stand by her. Also, Adam Crowley probably back then would have thought she was a witch. Drew, she's a witch.

So because she wouldn't apologize, she was excommunicated from the church. The church is like, nah, no good. The church accuses her of usurping her husband's authority because of her behavior and because of suing these contractors. Once her husband is dead, she's tried for being a witch. So basically, she was tried for wearing the pants in the family.

Basically, yeah. She was not conforming to social roles, becoming of a woman. Honey, I'm telling you. What was weird about her is that she was more socially connected than most of the other people who had ever been accused of these sorts of things. So I feel like it's real easy to railroad a loner or just a woman

who's kind of just trying to make her way in the world. Yes, whereas she wasn't like in the chronology of things, she wasn't the third in this proto witch hunt. She was a little bit later. Other homeless people and stuff have been jammed up. And I bet she's like, you're not going to railroad me like these fucking other people. I bet she was tough.

Probably. I like to think she was. So now, what I can tell you about her is that her second husband, who is deceased, was a man named William Hibbins. He had a first wife before her named Hester Bellingham. Great name. That's great.

A lot of these names are fucking awesome. There's a guy named Dorcas who comes up. That's the shit. That's my nickname for Dandries. So Hester Bellingham was her deceased husband's first wife. Hester's brother, Richard Bellingham, was the assistant governor of Massachusetts and was instrumental in Anne Hibbins'

conviction of being a witch. So it's like, well, okay, your sister passed away and her husband married another lady who acts kind of like a cooze in public. And that's my family's property. And the inheritance, yeah. It would go to his nephew, essentially, otherwise. Sure.

And so a lot of that does seem to be a theme that is developing a little bit. Sure. So the other one that goes into the crazy part that you were talking about was a lady named Mary Johnson of Hartford in 1648. She was accused of theft and whipped. And they were like, hey, we gotta whip her some more.

Let's do that a little more. Yeah, they're probably in them. So they beat the shit out of her. Like when her dress falls off her shoulders when we whip her. Yeah, but that's not the devil in me. That's just, that's righteous. Yeah. So they whip her a bunch.

I don't know why I get that guy a Southern accent, by the way. Everybody seems like bumpkins in these stories. Okay. But yeah, they are, they probably have way more like. These also, like, you know, like Australia always gets a bad rap for being like, it was a prison, like, like,

I keep wanting to say prison planet. That's a different show. But it basically was, and there's just like the worst of the worst from England went over there. And they're like, that's why they're all fucked up or whatever. But I like to think that maybe a lot of the people who left for here are just like the biggest weirdos.

Probably, but instead of being criminals, they were all like super weirdly religious. Yeah. Like this really weird brand of religion that's weirder than Catholicism. Can I ask you a question? If these guys all were so religious and weird, why did they do the whole separation of church and state?

I think that came later. Okay. That was a good 80 years after all this is going on. Oh, because maybe they were like, yo, guys. And what we'll find is when this dies down in 1693, pretty quickly after that, it becomes embarrassing. Yeah. Because-

I hope they have egg on their face when this is all said and done. What you have to realize is the distinction between Salem Village and Salem Town is super important because all this is going on in Salem Village and a lot of the other like more intellectual centers and like Philadelphia and Boston aren't really aware of what's going on for a bit.

Oh, I love it. Like one of the things that blew my mind is that the Salem Charter was, it took eight years for its renewal to get from England to America. Okay. So for eight years, there wasn't a constitutionally bound authority.

Okay. The Charter ended in X year and then X plus eight. They're like, oh, we got this new piece of paper. All right. In the meantime, they had like governing bodies but everybody questioned their authenticity. So they're like Lord of the Flies. A little bit is a little more structured.

But yeah, it took eight years for that information to get from the authority to the colony. So like you got to think it could take months to get from like news to Philadelphia that, hey, all these weirdos are doing some crazy shit. Yeah. They're killing people with rocks. I just imagine some guys got his like feathered pen

and he's writing something. They're like, oh, you're not gonna believe what they're doing over in Salem. And he's like, what the fuck now? Yeah, these bumpkins. They're blaming women for being witches. And he's just like, God damn it. But to the point of insanity with Mary Johnson,

that she, through the whippings and stuff, ended up admitting that she was into the devil and that she had killed a child. And so she admitted these things. But as we know from torture. And living in Chicago. Yeah. You can kind of be the confession out of people.

Very easily. There's no evidence that she ever killed a child. And she ends up getting put in prison. And while she's in prison, she gets pregnant. Most likely by Nathaniel Rusko, who's the guy who runs the jail's son. So you get a sort of image of like, they're not really taking a lot of this very seriously.

There's a really massive abuses of power going on. Also it's like, hey, my dad ain't at the jail. Y'all wanna go fuck some lady prisoners? Hey, y'all. So this is the sort of witch hunt stuff that had been going on before. Yeah. So there is a context wherein they believe in the devil,

but at the same time, it's very rarely like, hey, this evil person needs to be punished. There's an agenda at foot. Oh, for sure. Like I feel like for anything, we can do a little investigative work. Like if we were their defense attorneys, if we were their Johnny Cochran's,

we could just be like, now let me ask you a question. You know what I mean? It's like you get all their shenanigans. If the broom does not fit. I think we've got a bunch of Mark Ferman's on the case. Yes. We were a country of fucking Mark Ferman's. I'll tear your motives, if you will.

So around the time there were writers like Cotton Mather and Joseph Granville, who are religious thinkers and writers. Bloggers. And they are the types of dudes who believe in this like watching kind of test. And these sorts of things that they believe that they can prove the existence of the supernatural.

Okay, so they're your Glen Becks, your Rush Limbaugh's. 100%. Yes, yes. More Glen Becks probably. Alex Joneses. Unless Alex Jones, because he is very religious now, but Glen Becks still feels more right. Yeah, he cries.

He cries. Well, Alex, they're both crying at the time. Yeah, they're trying to cry each other. They're gonna cry off over there. So this brings us to the proper beginning in 14, 1692 in February, where the Salem Witch Trial proper kicks off. Okay.

Now, what do you know about the trials, Marty? I just feel like these women were railroaded and there was no right answer. And it was either like admit you're a witch. Okay, you're a witch. Deny you're a witch. We still think you're a witch. What do you know about how it started though?

Uh, I don't know. A scarlet letter? Actually that Ann Hibbins lady that we talked about earlier was one of the inspirations for some of the characters in Nathaniel Hawthorne's Scarlet Letter. All right, so, this is, I hate this. This is so much information, Marty.

I'm sorry. It's okay. So around the time, right before 1692, there was a guy named Reverend Samuel Parris who was brought to town because the town needs an ordained minister. At that point, they just had amateur ministers and stuff like that.

We know how that goes. And that's how the town kind of liked it. Oh, so it was a little bit controversial that they're bringing in this reverend. They had like a strong open mic scene, but they didn't want a comedy club coming to town to fuck things up. That might be perfect.

That might be a perfect way to think about it. It's gonna get all political and it's just better this way. Yeah, I mean, I know that we have no chance of growth without that, but we're in charge. We call the shots. Yeah, we're having a better time. I think history would dictate

that the comedy club coming to town was a bad idea. Metaphorically speaking, in Salem. Okay, so Samuel Parris comes to town and he comes to town in the middle of what you could almost look at as a Hatfields and McCoy's type battle between two families in Salem. The Putnam's and the Porter's. Oh, I remember these names.

Okay. From some, okay, maybe. Well, you know the Hatfields and the McCoys. Never heard of them. Who are they? I know, come on. I've heard Jim Ross do commentary before. He comes to town and he's like getting the lay of the land

and what's going on. And he's kind of of the opinion, if you look at the record, that no matter what, but even before the trials kicked off, he was quoted as saying that something's gonna, something bad's gonna happen. It's almost unavoidable with the amount of people hating each other in this town.

He shows up and he's like, oh, fuck. This place. And so he did his best sort of, I think, I don't know, it's hard to judge a person in hindsight, but it seems like he probably tried to avoid the town splitting, but he was very unsuccessful. So his daughter Betty and his niece Abigail Williams, in February of 62, start to act really weird.

They start to have seizures. They start to have Tourette's kind of symptoms. Oh, that's bad news back then. Start yelling on inappropriate times, interrupting church sermons and stuff like that. Bull job, bull job. Yes. Oh, shit.

And started like flailing their arms and like all sorts of things that people looked on and they were like, oh, fucked up. That's bad news. And he's probably like, that's not good for business. That's especially when you're the new minister that's come to town and one of them's your daughter. So the two of them start acting all fucked up.

Then pretty quickly, a bunch of kids in town start acting really fucked up in similar ways, which as we know from being kids and knowing kids, a lot of that could just be copycatting. Of course. If you see someone yell blow job in church, you're gonna yell blow job in church. Or at the very least, I'm gonna be thinking,

I wanna yell blow job so bad. Yeah. It's so fun. You've seen the path. Maybe a sneeze. Blow job, like that. You realize that like, oh, if I act fucked up, I can get away with doing the things

that they're getting away with. Yeah. Or there's just that power of suggestion. Hmm. So at this point, people start being like, well, we gotta figure out what's going on. And John Putnam is very mad. He believes that there's a conspiracy involving the devil,

especially because he is also a preacher and the idea of sermons getting interrupted is very, that's very, that's like me with a mad heckler. You've seen Steve Hofstetter on YouTube. Dealing with hecklers. I try to avoid it. I try to avoid it. He deals with hecklers.

John Putnam does not deal with hecklers. I went to YouTube, John Putnam crushes girl yelling out shit in church. And you just get a video about the witchcraft. Oh man. So people start to get the idea that like, we gotta figure out what's at the bottom of this. Yeah.

And Betty and Abigail start fingering some people. Not in the fun way. But also they're nine and 12. So get that out of your head. Yeah, cause it's always trust kids, too. 12 is a mariable age, too, back then. So fuck you guys. It's weird.

So the three of them, or the two of them, accused three women of witchcraft, basically. The three women who were first accused, one of them is named Sarah Good. She is a homeless beggar. And she's largely accused and convicted because she was seen as rejecting Puritan ideas of self-control and was deemed a villain

because she didn't help lead kids on a path to salvation. Which again goes back to the Socratesian thing. So she wasn't fun to kids. She was nice to kids. But kids are probably like, why is this lady check? Fuck you. I don't feel like there's any indication for anything I read that she was mean to kids.

She was just homeless and a beggar and didn't help kids. Okay. There's no corrupting influence of like, hey, come to the devil. That's all hearsay and bullshit. Or I feel like she might have done this. Kids were being shitty and she laughed. She was like, those kids are fun.

Hey, you're not leading those kids to a righteous path. Right. And meanwhile, as we know, she might've been the coolest person in that fucking town. I'm starting to think whoever was murdered was the coolest people in the town. Giles Corey seems like a fucking, like a hero. So second was Sarah Osborne.

Bad time to be named Sarah. Yeah. A lot of Sarah's go down in this. She didn't go to church much. Uh-oh. And that's a no-no. That's a real no-no. Trying to sleep in on a Sunday.

Yeah, but what was worse socially was that she had married a former indentured servant. Oh, shit. Sarah. Her husband had died, but they had a son. But marrying the indentured servant jeopardized the inheritance again. And people really don't like that.

Also. I think people too had a real boner for acquiring property and money back then. But back then it was so possible. Now there's no land grabs, you can really do. But also to make- That's sure the government eminent domain. To make matters worse,

the son who could theoretically get cut out of the inheritance by this marriage was the nephew of John Putnam Sr. One of the members of the family, the Putnam's and the Porter's, who are basically the Hadfields and McCoy's. And then the third woman who was accused was Titjaba. Our old friend, Titjaba.

That's already bad for business if your name's Titjaba. She was a black or Indian slave, depending on how- She didn't stand a chance. Depending on the record. Some people have associated her more with African roots. Some, the Indies. Who knows. She would tell Abigail and Betty

these fascinating stories that bordered on Voodoo. And was convicted of inflaming their imaginations. Okay, so she's guilty of telling cool stories. Yeah, exactly. They probably have a little drink or smoke and she's like, I wanna hear a cool story from my hometown. Yeah.

Like all three of these women so far, to me, awesome. You've got the homeless beggar who was probably pretty cool. It was probably pretty cool. It was like, I'm not having kids. You've got Sarah Osborne who saw through social conventions and married an indentured servant. Yeah. Which is awesome.

You should fuck this dude. You lose your mind. He's amazing. Yeah, so she- Oh, you usually do about four positions when you fuck? This guy? Minimum eight. Minimum.

He's doing shit. I have no idea that we're even a thing right now. So then we got Titjaba who is just awesome. Titjaba telling these cool stories. Oh man. I could just imagine just having one of those old cups that they used to drink out of, you know what I mean? Chalice?

Yeah, and then she's just like- Drink this. Yeah, cool story. So one of the other reasons that, I think I might just tip my hand early in terms of my theory. One of the other accusers besides Betty and Abigail Williams was Ann Putnam Jr.

So she was a member of the Putnam family and early on was fingering these people that some of them- Also I'm an adult, you can say that. Like you said fingering these people and you kind of looked at me like you're gonna be cool or you're a wink. I'm fine. I know I'm an adult.

You've dealt with cops. You've been on a lineup. I've been fingered. I've been fingered for a crime. You and Freddie. So the people who are getting fingered are very, like a lot of them seem to have weird ties to the Putnam family.

Like the people who are being accused, like Sarah Osborn had been sued by John Putnam Sr. in the past over a land dispute. Of course. A number of other people who will come up had been sued in the past or had had beefs with the Putnam family or had ties to the Porter family.

All I wanna do- So there's a lot of that that comes up and it's very suspicious that Betty and Abigail Williams lived in the same house and then the third person who's making accusations is a member of the Putnam family. A 12 year old child in the Putnam family. All I wanna do is go back in time

and be a high profile lawyer and defend all these people. Now I'm just a Salem Village lawyer. Now I might just be a comedian from the future. I don't know about your small town agricultural justice. But I feel like there's a money trail. You would be a witch though. Follow the money. Also what I would do?

You would die. You would be killed. I would have flash paper like Jerry the King Lawler throws in his opponent's eyes back in the day. I do like that. I would have like fire come out of my hands and be like, come at me bro. And some of that like Tajiri style.

Oh yeah, mist. Yeah, some Asian mist. Come at me bro. That's a real Hillbilly CT impression. You just did. Come at me bro. All I do is win my court cases. So these three get accused

and then shit gets out of hand. Like the three of them kind of getting accused or like, well, all right. Is there any public outcry of like, this is fucked. Well, we'll get to that. The next person who's accused is Martha Corey. And she's accused because she publicly expressed skepticism about the girl's accusations.

Okay. Well, this is gonna happen when Trump's president. Yeah, you don't believe what's going on this bullshit. Anyone else think this is fucked? Which? Yeah, you're going down. So her and Rebecca Nurse are both upstanding citizens who then become accused of being witches.

They both go to church all the time. They aren't homeless. And it starts to fuel this idea that it can be anybody. Anybody can be a witch. Not just these poor shit people. Anybody can be it. So we all have to accuse each other.

Yeah. Then it's like, well, how do I know you're not a witch? Also, I'd like to think that there was a Joe Fernandez type character during this time making lots of off-call witch jokes. That guy would be killed so fast. Which one of you ladies wants to go out, wink like that? He does a lot of witch puns.

So the next person who's, this is where, like in the researching, this is where my mind broke. In terms of any idea that these people could have been doing the right thing. The next person who's accused of being a witch is Dorothy Good, who is the daughter of Sarah Good. The homeless beggar lady. She's four years old.

Now she's not convicted of being a witch. I didn't know Sarah Good had a kid. Yeah, pretty crazy, huh? So she maybe wasn't a great mom. That was her whole thing too, but not leading kids to. But then also it might be a thing where, I don't know a whole lot about her history, but she might've be fallen some tragedy

and was recently homeless. Like lost her land or something. Maybe the Putnam's took her land, I have no idea. But so she wasn't convicted, but she was interrogated. And the answer's, As four, as a four-year-old? Yes. Oh, okay, that makes sense.

And the answers that a four-year-old child gave these judges was used to implicate her mother. Holy fuck. Which is nuts. This is where I walk in and I'm like, young lady, you don't have to answer any more questions. This is where there's a music swell as you enter. You're interrogating a four-year-old.

You should all be ashamed of yourself. I'm picturing you as Matlock now. Now I am, I have a white suit. Bleh, bleh, bleh, bleh. I have a white suit. I just throw my briefcase on the table. It's an old table, so it just breaks. Do you have a black friend who knows karate?

Yes, I do. We are leaving. Pack of your things, girl. So after this point- What kind of answers did she give them, do they say? No, there's no specifics, but her testimony was used against her mom, which is fucked up,

because a four-year-old has no idea what she's saying. So through- We are white people. We are really killing it right now. You have to understand how bad we're just so fucking terrible right now. So Rebecca Nurse, who was one of those people who was accused and convicted

and ended up being killed, was also another person who was involved in a land deal that went bad with the Putnam's and was sued. Throughout March and April, shit gets real out of control. Sarah Cloyce, another Sarah, who also happens to be Rebecca's sister, is accused.

Also, Elizabeth Proctor gets arrested. Elizabeth Proctor's husband is like, hey, you guys gotta cut this out. He gets arrested. You're rich too. Martha Corey's husband, Giles, the guy who got pressed to death eventually, gets arrested.

Abigail Hobbs, her stepmom deliverance, and Mary Warren, who was Elizabeth Proctor's servant, and someone who made accusations of witchcraft at other people in the past, all three of them are accused and arrested of being witches, and the three of them flip. They confess to being witches

and start pointing fingers at everybody, like a bunch of other people. Just say themselves, they get an immunity deal? Not necessarily. But they do just start pointing fingers strategically at a lot of people. If I'm going down, you're going down too. Yeah, they point out the Wilde's family,

who also had land deals, that sort of thing, and William Hobbs, whose deliverance, Hobbs's husband, who is another lady who was accused of being a witch, Mary Eastley, who is Sarah Cloyce and Rebecca Nurse's other sister. So you're just sort of like seeing. This is so Hatfield and McCoy.

You're basically, there's a lot of people who get mixed up in it, too, it seems. But a lot of it is just you like, hey, let's get all these people who are against our side into prison. How does the Bush family prosper from this, Dan? Well, interestingly enough. Oh, you fucking kidding?

Prescott Bush. No! He was around back then. His great-great-grandfather. He funded Putnam. No, not really. Well, I was like, wait, that can't be possible. There was a look of belief on your face.

Somehow the Bush family prospered from this. There's no doubt. Um, so, at this point, the accusations become too numerous to list. And things just spiral out of control. Yeah. I mean, I imagine it's like, I mean, it's just gotta be nonstop people

accusing everybody of everything. I'd like to think there were some sane people who were just like, I'm just staying out of this. I think the most of the sane people left. Oh, good. A lot of them went to Maine. Yeah, Maine, man. I heard it's fucking cool there.

I think, well, there is a guy who comes- I heard they had a good brunch scene in Maine. There's a guy named Reverend Burroughs who did not- Whoa, you think Nate's related? Spelled differently. Fuck. And Nate's Jewish. Fuck.

Come on, fuck. See, he was involved- Good luck being Jewish around these people too. Jesus fuck, you be dead. Here's what you do. You're deader than titibos. Here's what you do. If you think they're Jewish,

you have them sit for 24 hours, their horns will appear. You dangle a bar of gold in front of them, and then their horns appear. Oh, damn. So at the beginning, you had a bunch of people who were super related to the Putnam Porter dispute, the families who were in dispute.

And then from there, everything loses control. And a bunch of people who aren't involved at all get accused. And I think that what was happening is the court's like, well, we gotta keep up appearances here. So we have to pretend that the things that we were doing before were real, or else we invalidate what we were doing before. But also, are there jails getting so full

that they're like, I don't have any more room for witches? There's some of them. They're also killing a lot of people. Oh, brother. I mean, if you have like 40 people, 40 to 50 people, who I think would be caught up in it, a lot of them escape from prison and flee. Cool.

A lot of them are killed. Well, because they're witches, they can do that. Sure. Well, I think, I don't know how you escape from prison back then, just walk out. I, yeah. How good were jails? I'm going back to the Jedi doors.

I'm going back to the Jedi thing. You want to let me out, you know? Also, I assume they just throw them in like a mass grave or something. Oh, no, what they would do, because they've been excommunicated in their witches, they can't be buried in the cemeteries. Oh, yeah, I don't want to taint it.

So they would just hang them. And once they die, they just throw them in a shallow grave. And then generally what would happen is the families would come, dig them up and bring them back to their homes. And so they'd bury them on their property. Jesus. That's usually what would happen. Unless the family was caught up in it

and did believe there were witches, and then probably just left them in the shallow grave. Just really fucked up stuff. So now here's where things get funny. I love this. Oh, here's where things get funny? Yes. If you take the human tragedy out of it

and all of this sadness that people are dying. There's a Mel Brooks movie here. The court is a comedy of dumbassery. Because in court, they're legitimately arguing, like learned men and lawyers are arguing in open court whether or not a person has to give the devil permission to use their face to torment people. Because these kids are saying that like,

oh, Sarah Good tormented me. And so she's like, I didn't. They'd be like, well, it was a shade of you. It was an apparition of you. The devil was using your form to do this. So these lawyers are arguing, like what the devil could just use her shape if he wanted to, like no, they need permission.

So it's like, what the fuck is going on? Cause someone probably heard at one point, like with Dracula, you have to invite him in or something. It's probably so many weird straws that were being grasped. It's so like that. It's very bizarre. I heard one time, like how funny would it be if they were just like, actually,

I remember from my previous studies that someone once said you have to ask the devil to ask you to use his. The devil tried to overthrow God, but he needs your permission. What the fuck? Religion, religion. So now we get to my favorite little thing that they tried to use, and I think this is hilarious.

Well, actually first, they had a touch test that they'd do. That was one of the things they used in court. Whereas like, if someone has been said to be bewitched, and so they're having seizures and stuff like that, if the witch touches the person and they're healed, then it proves they're a witch. Because they believed that whatever illness I cause you, I can cure.

Because venomous evil comes out of my eyes at you. And when I touch you, the evil instinctually flows back into my body. You would almost think then at that point, they would almost try to weaponize these women or use them as healers. Well, they could only heal that which they cause. So that would be not effective.

Well, you might want to keep one around just in case. As a weapon, I totally understand. Especially they hate these Native Americans so much. Instead of blankets, give them these women. Yeah, give them the witch. Also, I'm very curious to see. First of all, I have no doubt in my mind these men raped these women while they were in prison also.

I would assume there was some of that going on. But also, I mean, there was one, the one that got pregnant. Yeah. I mean, you have to assume that's not the only case of that. I'm just shocked. There was no guy who was like, I'm going to give her a penis test. Like, I'm going to have sex with her.

And if it's great, if it's great, she's a witch. If it's great, she's a witch. If I come, she's a witch. Oh, no. It does seem like a lot of the stuff is as bad as that, but not that. You know, like, that's not formalized into like court doctrine.

I'm going to assume there's some other awful stuff. Yes, I would almost guarantee it. But one awful, not really all that awful, but really fucking stupid thing is a thing called the witch cake. Are you aware of the witch cake? No, but it sounds delicious. It's not.

It's a thing that they used in court as a method to try and find witches. They put a delicious piece of cake in front of these witches. And if they ate it, they were a witch. You wish that was what they did. So what they did was they would make a cake out of rye. And the urine of the children that were bewitched. So these kids would pee and make a cake.

Kid piss cake? Yes. And they would feed it to a dog. Now, their belief was that when the dog eats the cake, it will hurt the witch. So you would hear the screams of the witch when this cake is being eaten. Oh, yikes, it hurts so bad.

Yes, because some sort of the evil is carried through the children's urine or something like that. It's super, it's so stupid. It's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever heard. I wish we had a time machine. Hey, kid, pee in this cup. I got to make a cake.

I wish we had a time machine. And we brought one of the guys back. And they're like, guys, I know it sounds crazy, but hear me out. And then he explained his theory on why this should be. Should possibly be a thing. I would love to have witch cake guy as a guest. Oh my god.

That's a gift. First of all, it's weird to be here in your future. Yeah. Second of all, what do you want to know about kid piss cakes? Forget about me trying to get Paul F. Tompkins on the show. I want witch cake guy. Listen, Dan, if you follow my thought pattern, it's as plain as day.

If you look at all the scholarly sources, they say that urine is powerful. I have an entire library full of books about the urine of the child of a witch, being the conduit to that witch. Makes sense. And this checks out. I'll stand by that.

So they do all this thing. Or this was just a guy who was into watching kids pee. You have to think that's a possibility. And then had a dog. And he's like, I didn't get my dog any food this week. Shit. And I was like, oh, I don't want to get cake. And the dog eats it and likes it.

Then the witch is a witch. Much like the watching test, I can't imagine this ever gave concrete evidence to like, oh, witch cake worked. It's all fucking so stupid. Everything is so dumb. My comedy brain also kind of makes me want to go, imagine the test that didn't get approved. Well, penis test.

We already got one. Wow, yeah. I like that idea of throwing them off a cliff. And if they're witches, they're going to fly. Here's your broom. And then they push them on. Good luck. Problem solved.

Nope. She's not a witch. Because the problem solved. Because afterwards, if she's not a witch, then she's. We get a property. Well, there's that. And then you're like, wow, we fucked up. She was a great woman.

And you can just memorialize her. And then the influence is gone. Or you could say the evil spirits got to her and tricked us and tricked her. We learned. So that brings us about to the end of the relevant information, which sucks because I was so much fucking information.

Who was the president during this time? There wasn't a president. Oh, this was 16. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is before the revolution. I'm sorry. Yeah, it was 1776.

Lincoln, what's going on? What did Lincoln have to say? Who was the president, Nixon? Well, like I said, the information getting from England to the colony took eight years or so to get there. So you've got to think, the information going back, the king has no idea about what's going on here.

Just imagine like, oh. And the local governors are fucking involved. I know, imagine this is over. And like seven years later, like someone gets a letter and they're just like, what the fuck were they doing over there? I guarantee that happened. America's just a big game of grab ass. If you think about it, like what, the revolution

starts 60 years after this or so. There might be an element of it. Like the king was like, oh boy. Maybe we just let them through the revolution because it's like these people are dicks. You know what? We got to keep up a little bit of appearance. Just send like some scrubs.

Is it worth the taxes we're bringing in really? These jerks? Maybe America is just the dumbest of the dumb. It's pretty conceivable that that is the case. Hey, guess what? Hindsight is great, but like, what the fuck? Hey, witch catcher, go eat your piss cakes. Get the fuck out of here.

Yeah. So in the end, 20 people executed, five die in prison, two of them little babies, dying in prison. And then just sort of ends. You also have to wonder the implications of property, power, money that still is old belt, now we're talking old money. It's unbelievable.

And it's the sort of thing where there's like tons and tons of like free land and land up for grab. And everything's moving so fast in terms of like mechanization. It's a cash. Everyone's grabbing what they can. Mechanization's not the right word.

But like modernization is happening all around. And when you have land, you have power, such an ability. So there's a lot of theories in terms of like what was going on. One of the ones that's really popular among people is there was ergot poisoning in the rye in the city. Because rye is just. Oh, you mean those piss cakes also had ergot in the rye?

This is before. This is an explanation for why the kids were acting for that. Oh, OK, OK. So rye is easily infected by claviceps purporea, just a precursor for LSD. So a lot of people believe that the rye that was in the town was infected with LSD. Those kids are just tripping balls.

But that doesn't explain why a lot of adults weren't freaking out. Not entirely sure who knows. Sleep paralysis is another explanation for why kids would have terrifying visions of people. Maybe you're a kid and you run into a homeless beggar. That can be scary just in the effect of like, oh, why is this person all dirty?

They're an adult. Shouldn't they be not, they should be in a home. So that could scare you. You go home, you have sleep paralysis, you see that person in your head. I tell you what, growing up in Indiana, there was a Greek family that lived by us. And you know what I say to them?

Calimera, means good day. Oh, that's very nice, Dan. But they had like the grandmother living with them. And she was like as old school Greek as you can get. We thought she was a witch. Of course. She looked like a witch. She wore black all the time because her husband died.

You sure it was a Calimera to her? Everything would have been fine. Or if it's the evening, Calle Hisperra. Yeah, well, we didn't like her. So we called her a Malacca. Oh, no, no, Malacca. No, the only other Greek word I remember is Fcoristo. Oh, yeah?

Which means thank you. Yeah, Malacca's like a fucker. That's evil. Malacca's a fucker, right? It's a bad person. Oh, OK. No, not fucker, no. OK.

I don't think they had a word for fucker. Malacca's not a motherfucker. No, Malacca just means like evil person, bad person. So we, I mean, we were convinced we would go in their backyard and freaking out. Like, wow, this is fun. And if you had an instance of sleep paralysis or something like that where you might see her,

there's a huge phenomenon of people seeing an old hag, which is called old hag syndrome. People have sleep paralysis. And when they come to, they hallucinate and see an old woman sitting on their chest. This is just something that is super bizarre, but it does happen. So that's a pretty good explanation for some of it.

There's just super horny kids having milk fantasies. Could be. Could be. And they don't know which way their boner's going. There's another instance of, they believe that around the time there was an outbreak of bird born encephalitis lethagerica, which is a bird carried disease that causes paralysis,

catatonia, nocturnal, not emissions. Emission? Nope. Just nocturnality. Basically your sleep schedule flips. Yeah. Do you have delayed responses to physical and mental stimulus?

He sounds like most of my girlfriends. Might be witches. Most of my girlfriends, I think, would have been considered witches. Yeah. They can't sleep. So at the end of it, I am 100% convinced that the beginning of it had to do with the Porter Putnam

feud, that the two families. Yeah. When you look into them, the reason that they were at loggerheads was that the Putnam family wanted to stay into the agricultural part of the city. That's what they were more invested in. And they wanted to be autonomous from Salem Town. OK.

The Porter family saw more promise in progress in the future that Salem Town was involved in. And they wanted to be absorbed into Salem Town. The two families had fucking, it's not like you don't like someone nowadays and you have a feud with them. Back then, people who weren't part of their family would be out drinking and be like, hey, I'm a Porter guy.

You'd be a Putnam guy. We're sitting here having a beer. Everything is fine. Then that topic comes up. All of a sudden, we're fighting. It's like Flare Hogan fans in the 90s. Exactly. Unrelated parties get involved in the feud.

And so the whole town was sort of caught up in these two families' philosophies. It's kind of like Brexit a little bit, in terms of like, should we leave Salem Town or should we be absorbed into Salem Town? People have a lot of really hot feelings about it. So the Reverend Parris that comes to town, Samo Parris, can't figure out how to solve it.

But he is more involved in the Putnam side, the autonomy side for Salem. In addition to that, well, here's why it's such bullshit. He's involved with the Putnam side of the philosophy. His daughter and niece are the first two people who make accusations, along with Ann Putnam Jr., who, there's three people who start making accusations. And all three of them are on the Putnam side.

The people that they accuse are largely Porter sympathizers or people that the Putnam family have had land disputes with. If you go down the Putnam family, you just see people constantly being involved. What do you do if you come to town? I leave. No, no, I get the fuck out of there.

You're specifically brought into town. Also, they said, Dan, you get a nice plot of land if you stay here and fix this. They do give him the land that the church is on and everything like that. They give him like 66 pounds a year or something like that. So that is a pretty good amount of land. You got to fix this.

What are you doing? I mean, what he did, I think, was absolutely the wrong thing to do, which is siding with these manipulative Putnams. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, if you truly believe that Salem should be autonomous from the other Salem, I don't know what you do.

I'm getting a big crew of just big strong boys. Yeah. And we're just saying, no more fucking around. You get Braun Strowman on your side. I'm bringing the fucking Wyatt family. You think these guys are witches? What are you going to do about it? We'll fucking throw boards and rocks all over everybody.

We're here. Salem, we're here. Man, this just drives me crazy. Yeah. It really drives me fucking crazy. Just to give you a couple of Putnam family members, you had Ann Putnam Jr., who was one of the first accusers. Ann Putnam Sr. also accused a bunch of people.

Edward Putnam, he was in the role of an examiner. So when people were accused, he would sort of grill them and be one of the arbiters of whether or not they were lying, which seems like a conflict of interest. Hannah Putnam made a bunch of accusations and blamed one lady for being a witch and killing her eight-year-old child,

who just died of probably SIDS. Also back then, kids died. Yeah. People died. And then John Putnam Jr., or John Putnam Sr., excuse me, is the biggest dick in the world. He's the one who'd sued a bunch of people who all seemed to be on the accused side.

That Reverend Burroughs that I mentioned earlier, Reverend Burroughs skipped out of town because he didn't like the way things were going. John Putnam Sr. sues him or threatens to sue him because he's like, you breached your contract as the minister of this town. And so he's like, all right, I'll come back. But the two of that,

because that's kind of an honorable thing on his part. But Burroughs comes back. Two of them still don't get along. Like 15 years later, he's like, fucking do as a witch. And then Burroughs is hung. He ends up being hung. Why would you go back there? Yeah.

So all of these people seemed to have, at the beginning seemed to have ties to this dispute. And then later it becomes widespread phenomenon where it's just like, well, things got out of control. Beyond that, you do have to wrestle with the fact that it's so against women. All I wrestle with is depression, Dan. Thank you very much.

Well, once a month. Sorry. But yeah, it's all women. I mean, that's not, that's not an irrelevant piece of this. No, it's a huge part of it. And some of these women were pretty strong. I think were a little too ballsy for that time. You use Sarah Osborne as an example of that

with the marrying an indentured servant, claiming her own land, all these sorts of things. Well, one didn't want to go to church. Standing up against Putnam, John Putnam senior as well in a land dispute. Oh yeah. Like these sorts of things are very threatening. I feel like a lot of it.

A lot of it is probably just like, you stood up to me, you're a fucking witch. I feel like instead of the Salem witch trials, these might have been called the Salem bitch trials. The Salem dudes with small dicks trials. And if these little dicked men going, there'd be a bitches, I'll kill it all. You have to wonder too, how many,

like I wouldn't be super surprised if some of the people who were accused were people who rejected men's advances or something like that. I would not be surprised at all if some of that was the real reason. Were any of these women into the dark arts at all? I mean.

Is there anything you read that were like, you know, dark arts were? I mean, Titchaba might have been involved in some voodoo shit, but like, how real is that? There were also women who did like make potions and stuff like that, but that was like holistic healing, like we said. Now there were those three ladies whose names,

I can't remember, I'm trying to come up with. Salt, pepper, and spinderella. That's correct. How do you do the voodoo that you do? They were just. Like with all hell, no, make your mind. Shoot, I saw them live. They were terrible.

I know, I wish I could have won. No, you don't. They were terrible. There were those three whose names are escaping me now. I can't find them in the notes, but they were, they admitted to being witches. There were a lot of people who admitted to stuff, but they probably weren't really,

they probably just admitted it either because it's like, hey, we're gonna be real cool if we admit it. And once we admit to being witches, we can blame anybody. Or there might have been a cool, like, well, guys, ladies, just admit your witches. Everything's cool.

Nothing's gonna happen to you. They could have gotten railroaded. I think I wouldn't put past, I wouldn't put anything past these fucking guys. I think a piece of it too, is that like some of these people were on the lower end of society and maybe like to drink at night.

So like they're drinking around a campfire or something like that. And people are like, whoa. They're like the two live crew. I'd like to party and have a good time. Nothing but pleasure in my rooms. Well, actually, Sarah Good did, she did run a fuck shop.

Oh, really? Yeah, much like the two live crew. Did she welcome people to it? I'd like to bring you in here. And then steal a little Van Halen guitar riff. There is thieving as they want it to be. So Marty, what's your feeling on all this? Besides dudes suck.

I hate society. I hate white dudes. In a way, it does kind of make me, you know, I have sort of a love-hate relationship with our government and our judicial system. But in a way, it does make me think like, you know, we kind of do need like somebody in charge to be like, what the fuck are you guys doing there?

Well, if all of us don't do it, someone's got it. Someone's got it. Now, at the other hand, it's like, yeah, this is what we do. And there are, I mean, it might not be the Salem witch trials nowadays, but there are, I mean, that's why we have the term witch hunt. Yeah. You know?

Mass hysteria is very... And you know, we saw it after 9-11. We still see it now with Middle Easterners, with Muslims. It's rampant. With... I mean, go back to Brexit a little bit. Yeah. That's kind of fueling a lot of the reasons for that.

Sure. Xenophobia and... And it's very easy also to use one thing to push another thing through. Again, the Nazis did it too when they were like, guys, there's some bad stuff out there. You might want your boys, the Nazis, to be in charge. We'll take care of you.

And they're like, you know what, you're right. And they're like, yeah, just sign this paper and then we'll be in charge. And as soon as everything cools down, we'll relinquish back power. Like real cool dudes. The bad people take care of a problem, but create a worse one.

Absolutely. So you take care of local governments. Bush administration. Sure. Sure. Haven't had another 9-11, but we also are being listened to right now and not on a podcast.

I know. My phone is out. Someone's listening. They were chipping my butt. But yeah, I mean, it's just one of those things where it's like you look back in history. And like you said, a hundred years from now, they might look back at this time and go,

what the fuck were those idiots doing? Sure. I mean, we have instances of things like that. There was a lady who got stabbed on the CTA last week. Yeah. And it was a situation where a guy came up to her and was like, hey, you should have my babies. And she was like, no, I don't want to have your babies.

And then you just started stabbing her on a train. Right. Now that is an instant, that's an isolated incident. But it is sort of indicative of a lot of ways that some men treat women. Absolutely. There is an entitlement. There is a like, I deserve you kind of thing.

I think a hundred years from now, hopefully, will be evolved enough to look back on that and be like, I can't believe that society didn't rise up as a whole and eradicate that quicker. And I think mental illness is still a thing that we don't quite understand or comprehend. I think a lot of these instances might have had some mental illness factors.

Sure. And just the guy going up to the woman on the train saying, have my babies or I'm going to kill you, probably deal with some mental illness issues himself there. Yeah, yeah, he's absolutely crazy. But much like with this witch trial stuff, people are crazy. But you can't ignore or diminish the anti-women aspect of it.

There's a thread, there's a consistent feel in this witch trial stuff of like, either fear of women or hatred. And that whole bit of absolute power corrupts absolutely. I can get people in a position of power here who are just like, we can get that land or I can get that land back.

And absolute power and no oversight. No oversight. They're being ignored. There has to be an oversight committee. There has to be some sort of like check. Who watches the watchman? I agree with you. I think all that is true.

And then also, I think absolutely, John Putnam Sr. may be one of the biggest dicks in history. I think he's responsible for 90% of this. Welcome to the club. Join that table with Prescott Bush. Prescott Bush. Adolf Hitler. Hitler's in there.

I was trying to think of better, like the sort of like more controversial people to throw in there. Bub, bub, bub, bub. Let's throw Ted Barney. Warhol. Andy Warhol. Andy Warhol.

He's a big asshole. I'm gonna go ahead and throw H.H. Holmes in there. Sure, sure. Actual serial killer. An M. Night Shyamalan. Yeah, because of the village. Well, Marty, I think we found some truth here. I think we have.

I like, I... I think this is the first time it's a, you could argue that was a real conspiracy. I think it was. I think the rest of these have been weird shit. I think we, and again, women had to die for this episode. Yeah, I don't like that being the common thread. I know, but it also sheds another,

shines another light sort of on a little nasty habit we have as white men in America. Just sometimes women are not treated great. And hopefully, like, it just to me is so, if there would have been like a, the Salem Warlock trials or something like that, where all these men were accused of things. I mean, it's a, I, it's one of those things

where I think about it and I get so, I'll just like, how did this happen? Yeah. Well, I mean, I think we know how it happened. This, this episode isn't, that's the one you think it's, come on guys. It is what the fuck.

It's not even a guys. That's, that's too nice for this. You know what? This is a, what the fuck? It really is. It's also a, what the fuck? It's slavery. It's like one of those like,

what the fuck were you getting? And then like, and I was like. We're gonna get sued by Marin. What's WTF? This is the WTF podcast. What the fuck, which trials? Are you fucking kidding me? You want people to pee in a cake?

What is going on? I do wonder if there are any Salem witch trial apologists. Like listen, I'm fifth generation Putnam. Let me, let me tell my family's point of view. I would also like that person on the podcast. Let me explain my point of view. And then you're like, oh shit, I never looked at it that way.

You know what I mean? My family's point of view is we wanted this land. Also imagine the lying of just like, she made a snake appear and then disappear. Yeah. Well, that was who can refute that. Nobody. It was called spectral evidence.

And it was used very heavily in the trials until outside jurisdiction started to learn about this like a year later, two years later. And they were like, hey guys, don't do that. You're bastardizing our court system. Justice doesn't exist if you just use spectral evidence. To me, it's kind of funny.

And I saw a ghost. If the, you know, going back to like the civil war and all that stuff or let's just say like, you know, kind of like what's going on with the European Union. If all these countries are able to sort of be their own little countries, it would be kind of wild for like court cases.

It'd be like, oh, you're in Indiana. In Indiana, we believe that snakes tell the truth. Your Honor, I would like to call this boa constrictor to the stands. I would like to call Jake the snakes. Yeah. What was the snake's name? Damien.

Damien, dammit. Or Lucifer. Damien to the stand. He had Lucifer after the earthquake killed Damien. Oh no, earthquake. Come on. So Marty, before we wrap this up. Yeah.

Is there a song you want to hear? I do. Yeah. Well, I mean. We'll come back to wrap it up after, but. Well, I just, well, I was kind of thinking maybe we play the original first to just kind of give people a taste.

Are you ready to just go right into it? Everyone's heard fucking Charlie Daniels. Give, you probably have a great Charlie Daniels voice. Give him kind of the gist of the song. Never went down to Georgia. He was looking for a soul to steal. Yeah. He was in a bind.

He was way behind. He was looking to make a deal. It was better than I thought it could have been. The boy said, my name's Johnny and it might be a sin. I'll take that bet. You're going to regret cause I'm the best they ever been.

Fire on the mountain, run, boys run. Me, me, me, me, me, me, me. That was in the house of the rising sun. That's a song where you'll be. Never pulled up his bow and he said, you're pretty good old son. Let me take this out and show you one. Yeah, or something like that.

That's a fun song when you're like. Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, ring, bong, bong, bong, bong. Four on the bass. Four beers in, just sitting at a bar by yours. This reminds me of the bar I used to work at in Indiana. So it's like just a bunch of dudes by themselves. Everyone's smoking, watching like something sports

or or jeopardy. And then someone's like, I wanna play some music. And then this comes on and everyone's just kind of like toes are tapping. So this song came out. Well, if we're talking about country stuff that's sort of anthemic like that, like the devil went down to Georgia's great,

but I'll take, if you're going to play in Texas, you better have a fiddle in the band any day of the week. Really? Yeah. You know why? No. Cause that lead guitar is hot, but not for a Louisiana man.

Yeah. You rosin' up that bow and play for love and let's all dance. If you're going to play in Texas, you better have a fiddle in the band. Dan is getting so excited right now. I love that song. So this is the KMC crew.

How do they spell crew? K are you? I knew it. All caps. Of course. So this is the KMC crew. And this is their answer to the devil went down to Georgia. Devil came up to Detroit or to Michigan.

Yeah. They're both. Michigan's kind of funny. Kind of like, oh really? Like Ann Arbor? Got a raid ad here. The sponsor today is Raid on the podcast. Did the devil go up to Ann Arbor?

Like they wanted to say Detroit, but that just didn't. Devil went to Lansing. Devil went up to, yeah. Went to Kalamazoo. Devil went up to do a Yoder gig. For no money or a hotel. All right, here we go. We'll be right back.

Um, yes. Hit it. The devil. The devil. The devil. The devil. The devil came up to Michigan. He was looking for a soda steal.

He had trouble in mind as he drove in a line. He was looking to make a deal. He had a brand new Nissan truck convertible with a portable phone. He had a Kenwood deck that was on the line as he stomped into the new parking zone. The devil stepped out with the people on the stepple black. Feel how soup that was down.

But then he turned his head when his eyes got red when he heard this scratching sound. He walked up on a boy on two turn tables. His boy was ripping the cut. So the devil jumped up on the back of his truck and said, you rock the beat. We're a good boy, but no, it ain't nothing new. Cause I'm in your time.

I can take that car and ain't nothing that you can do. But if you want to get bad, don't make me mad. We can make this little bet true. I turned table of gold. You get your soul. I think I'm better than you. The boy said, my name's the butcher. And I'm the batter surrounding this city. You start to mess with me and I'm sure you'll see.

You're going to feel real itty itty bitty. But I'll take that bet and you're going to regret. And then the butcher started flexing his wrist. The boy jumped in and broke it on down like this. The devil, good scratcher. Also, this video is awesome. I don't think I've ever seen the video. I got some double make dumb so he put it in his mouth.

I guess he enjoyed the taste. But then he threw the gun out. Guess when the leftist face steps back and hollow out? BRIS! He's a black, black, black, black. He's a black, black, black. He's a black, black, black. He's a black, black, black.

He's a black, black, black. He's a black, black, black. At this point, the devil knows he's done, right? He's like, oh shit, I thought I had skills. I hope he calls the devil the son of a bitch at the end. This is so good. What do you think? I like it. It's pretty hot fire.

The devil bought his head because he knew he had a gun to beat. So he laid that fresh, trying to table a gold down by the butcher's feet. The butcher told the devil to get out of town and he laughed it in his face. Then the butcher started cutting all over again, step back and hollowed out. The butcher just was like, I'm not done with you, devil. I only hate that he doesn't call the devil the son of a bitch at the end. Because that's the trademark of Charlie Davis. Come on back, you son of a bitch.

I'll be with you forever. While I was googling this, or looking this up, I found another song that I've never heard, but it might be important. All right. There's apparently a number of devil came to blank songs. I love them. So now we're going to turn this into an impromptu jam sandwich at the end here. I'm fine.

Hey babies, take off your pants and get your erections erect. I'm trying to do my best, Nick. This is the devil went to Jamaica. How are we doing this? I used to feel anxious and confused about buying a major. This isn't part of the song. Oh no. It's not damn.

Oh man. This is exactly the same song. So far. I hope it gets like real reggae. Oh please. If this is just like a really shitty parody, I'm going to turn it off. The devil went to Jamaica. He was looking to sell some weed.

Welcome to Bob and Tom. That's a morning zoo crew fucking version. No, it's David Ellen Coe. What? Yeah. Did he say the N word in it? I think he has to. I think by law.

I think by law he has to. That N word in Jamaica. He was looking to sell some weed. He was doing fine. They were standing in line. There's no way this is David Ellen Coe. That's what it says on YouTube. The devil slid down the beach to the kid

and said, boy, let me tell you what. I guess you've kind of figured it out. What? This is not David Ellen Coe. This is what it's credited as. This is what it's credited as. This could tranquilize a horse. I'll bet a million in cash against your stage

because I think mine's better than yours. This sounds like an accountant. There's another one. Devil came up to Boston. Oh, shit. What I wish was the Bostones. Oh man. The devil. Ah.

That little Irishie. This is the Adam Ezra group. The devil just got in from Quincy where he grained out a lobster bake. At the coply tea, he saw kids on on a fiddling smoke. This is like Boston blackface. The devil jumped up on a globe dispenser and said, dude, let me tell you what.

I bet you didn't know it, kid. Oh, when he turns into the devil, he puts on a Yankees hat. Yeah, I doubt right. It was Derek fucking Jida. I walked up the hotspots from the garden to the Wang. I'll bet a lot of cotton, a pack of moms that you can't fucking hang.

What the fuck you mourning zoo crew, Boston? What sucks is like that has 600,000 views on YouTube. Of course it does. But what sucks more is that like, there's an opportunity here for anybody who wants to make a fucking devil song. Yeah, here's how we do it.

The devil came to where? Devil can come to Chicago. The devil came to Chicago. We get Danny Callas. The devil came to Chicago. The devil came up to Chicago looking for some looking for some catch up on a dog. Looking for some Italian beef. No, the premise always has to be that he's looking for a soul to steal

because he needs a soul he's behind. That's right. That one came up to Chicago looking for a soul to steal. Jimmy was behind the counter making Italian beef. He said, boy, let me tell you what, you make a beef pretty good. The problem is it has to be musical. I know.

What's the quintessential Chicago? The band Chicago. It's a horn section battle. We get Jim Belushi playing harmonica. I'm listening. We get a Blues Brothers 2016. We get the Blues Brothers 2016. Because they were on a mission from God.

They were. So it makes sense where so here's the story. Devil versus Blues Brothers. But it goes like they're like somebody's like a little in over their head. Then all of a sudden all of a sudden in Walk Jim Belushi. Doom, doom, doom. He said, my brother, whatever. Oh boy. Yeah, I know. I don't want to get sued

by the old Belushi. He seems litigious. Is Chubby Checker still alive? Oh, I have to think he is. Not? Chubby Checker walked in. I said, Chubby, let me tell you what. Chubby Checker, would you like to do the twist? I like that idea of those.

God, but like. This makes me mad. Well, Dan, listen to me then. Those, that's Morning Zoo Crew 101. You probably, you get a binder from, here's what happens. A lot of those zoo crews, especially back in the day, there was comedy, this was pre-internet.

So there was comedy services, comedians would write those songs or bits and all this stuff. And they probably get like a binder and it's like, hey, do a devil came up to or down to for whatever your local region is. That's Morning Radio

Zoo Crew 101. You got to have a devil came up to or down to song. I'm googling it and it does seem like the devil went down to Jamaica is David Allen Coe. That's crazy. How? It doesn't match.

I love David Allen Coe. I like some of his songs. Fair enough. I've got some on my phone here and some of them I can't play in front of certain friends. Alright, this is spiraled quite a ways from our conspiracy theory. But let's just wrap

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