Lemonade Stand - We Got Banned | Ep. 081 Lemonade Stand 🍋

Episode Date: September 23, 2026

On this week's show... Atrioc gets kicked out, DougDoug gets thrown out, and Aiden is on vacation. We launched a Patreon! - https://www.patreon.com/lemonadestand for bonus episodes, discord access, a book club, and many more ways to interact with the show! Episode: 081 Recorded on: September 22nd, 2026 Clips Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCurXaZAZPKtl8EgH1ymuZgg Follow us TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@thelemonadecast Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/thelemonadecast/ Twitter - https://x.com/LemonadeCast The C-suite Aiden - https://x.com/aidencalvin Atrioc - https://x.com/Atrioc DougDoug - https://x.com/DougDougFood Edited by Aedish - https://x.com/aedishedits Thumbnail by Cheyenne DeWolf - https://x.com/cheyedewolf Produced by Perry - https://x.com/perry_jh Segments 0:00 Intro 1:10 White House Bans News Outlets 9:40 Mail-in Voting Integrity 18:46 Paramount Warner Merger 34:54 150 Pages of AI Misuse 48:58 Monarch Ad 48:10 Facebook Muse Is Gaining Users 56:02 Trump Makes Greenland Deal? 1:01:34 A Warning About A Diesel Ban 1:07:34 News From Texas 1:14:47 It's Slowly Happening 1:20:37 Outro New takes on Business, Tech, and Politics. Squeezed fresh every Wednesday. #lemonadestand #dougdoug #atrioc #aiden Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Dig it to Aiden. Go to consolation.com. I'm Ayna Garden. I have a new podcast called Happy Hour with Aina. Each week I'm inviting a really interesting guest to join me for a drink and a fun conversation at my kitchen table in New York City. I'll be getting personal with actors, chefs, comedians, musicians, and writers I admire.

So grab a snack, pull up a chair, and join us. You can watch by searching for a happy hour with Ina on YouTube or listen wherever you get your podcast. Don't we all need to have more fun? Finally, Doug, we got rid of the dead weight. We've been, we've done what, like 70 guest episodes in a row. Yeah. Back to the core duo of this show.

Yeah, the core duo. We've gotten rid of this long running guest, which I think people are thinking you overstayed is welcome a little bit. Right, right. Yeah. It's awfully, it's been, and there was even a time where I think like, I wasn't here and it was just you and the guest doing an episode. That was off the audience is like, what is going on? This guy won't leave. The worst time, though, for him to leave because ladies at gentlemen, we're being silenced by the White House.

And we have sent Aiden. to Sweden to get on the ground floor to tell us what's going on. So far, no word. Yeah, we told Aiden, all the news on this was in Sweden. He had to go. Hey, you've got to figure it out. And he's just been out there. He's been out there, boots on the ground.

He keeps sending up his messages in Swedish, and we just, we just ignore what's going on. It's just pictures of him getting free health care with Swedish captions. He does. He does get extra smug in his messages when he's in Sweden. He just, he knows that he's on a higher. plane. But anyway, I think he's not on our plane, is the news media. But first, you were telling me off camera, and I said, wait till the show, that we are now official journalists. And this is

going to be important for the next story. And the main story today. Thanks to our lovely Reddit who pulled this up. But apparently, what, two weeks ago, we covered. And I say covered because we're journalists here. We covered how there's that guy in prison who's running for the Alaskan senator position, right? And one of the other candidates, Bill Hill, is now sending text blasts to people in Alaska saying friends don't let friends vote for a fake Democrat. And it's a link to our clip on Instagram. So we now have politicians using our show as part of media campaigns. And so I think it's fair to say we've ascended to sort of legitimate journalists who are at the forefront at the cutting edge of the political momentum in this country. And that is why no one is

angrier than we are. Yeah. At the White House's crackdown on the free press. If you pull this up, Donald Trump in the past few days banned CNN, MS now, and Politico from the White House claiming that they are fake news. I'm proud to announce that effectively immediately I'm banning fake news CNN, MS now, who recently changed their name from MSNBC due to lack of viewership and credibility and Politico. The recipients of an illegal and a ridiculous $8 million subscription an all-time record directly from the United States government under Crooked Joe Biden in order to keep them, quote, alive.

Seems like corruption to me. That's all in one parentheses, by the way. That's all a side note. That is separate. Also, by the way, we are going to be changing our name to LS now just due to lack of viewership and credibility. We're going to be LS now. Anyway, so he's cracking down and the response from, this has happened before. If you had, I don't know if we recall, this happened in a more minor way.

But in Obama's term, there was some event they didn't let Fox News come to. And in response, the press pool there or refused to go and cover it. And then the White House back down. And so similarly, here, we're talking. Trump's attempting to ban three major news outlets. The press pool refused to cover him, which led to his recent appearance. Yeah, so he's doing a ribbon cutting for a helicopter pad at the White House. And normally the people who would get the video and audio footage of an event like this

are the press pool. Yeah. But they're all boycotting it. And so instead, this happens. And for audio listeners, we are watching a video. His lips are moving. he's speaking, but we do not know what he's saying. What if this is the one good Trump speech?

What if he finally, what if it finally clicked? I just thought this was so funny. So the clip you just showed about how Trump, they couldn't pick up his mic. So it caused chaos on Polymarket and Kalshi because they had all bet on what he'd say during the speech. There's a Trump. What will Trump say during his ribbon cutting ceremony?

And there is no audio. And so you just see all the different. options pivot to free fall, right? There's no audio. The press needs to think about the consequences of their actions. Consequences, dude, for the gamblers. There's gamblers who need the audio. That's what press conferences are for.

So, you know, I think, I think I stand with my fellow journalists who are refusing to appear at these, these White House meetings. However, there is an opportunity for any, you know, people who want to rise a fast-going journalism. And that is, because of this, this response from the press pool, the White House announced 24-7, 365 Trump TV is now streaming. Updated in real time with top past moments.

That literally has like clips of old speeches. Is that the clip from Breaking Bad? Yeah, this clip is from Breaking Bad, which I don't. So their announcement tweet about this. We can pull up the actual tweet if we want to get it. The White House seems to be very, very cavalier.

Okay. Can you explain to the people? When we talk about the pool, the press pool, what does that mean? And like, why isn't their video and audio footage of an event like this? The press pool is just the group of accredited institutions that get invited to the White House special press meetings and get to cover it. They submit questions. They get to respond in real time to events and they, it's a... The other thing I didn't realize is that there's only five outlets that do the video and audio coverage.

So it's like Fox and CNN are two of them. So part of the reason there's no video and audio is like there's all these different press outlets that gain access to the White House. But in response to Trump saying, I'm banning three of them, all five of the companies that are doing the video and audio,

they take turns doing it. All five of them boycott it. So like all of the video and audio footage of Trump's events are from these five groups deciding that they're going to send like a production team to each one of these things. Like each one takes like one day week basically. And so if all it takes is those five to boycott and then there's just no

video and audio of what he's doing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I assume, I mean, there's going to be video and audio on Trump TV. As my assumption is that they will find some way that you could, it's 2026 they can mic him up. Yeah. For audio listeners, uh, we're looking at a Seinfeld clip. What is happening? Yeah, I didn't actually realize how many copyrighted things were in the announcement of Trump TV. Of which they own none. The White House media, uh, platform, social media has been extremely cavalier about copyright content. They're like a Roblox game. They don't mean, they just do not care.

It's fair use. Anyway, Trump TV has got a family guy's going to be on there maybe. Wait, what are they? Okay, so. My implication, my understanding of Trump TV. Okay, I'm not Batman. Why is it does not have any of this content. It only has official White House announcements.

Let me just make sure I'm following here. So Trump bans three outlets. Oh, there's SpongeBob. And then in response, the five outlets that do the video and audio coverage say we're not going to cover it anymore. Like for the foreseeable future, including Fox, by the way, who says we're not covering it. In response, this is Home Alone. This is Home Alone. Which Trump is in.

So he does the right to that one. Drake and Josh, friends. I mean, it's not like Trump TV is going to be better than early Netflix. It's going to happen everything. And this is the idea that people are going to watch this instead of Trump's events? like Trump TV will show this is the office this is crazy

actually watching this is so idiocracy bro it ends with the white house logo and like wow Stewie Griffin from family guy stomping his feet maybe that made more sense

with audio I'm not 100% sure but there is now essentially state run media which is awesome there's no audio though because they're additionally at the same time the white House is pushing real-time updates and live events directly streamed to your phone so you can skip the noise.

Okay. This is news that matters straight from the Trump administration. This is a official White House app, which I heard it takes insane permissions as part of a voter data collection thing leading up to the midterm. So I would just say that lemonade stand is standing on the outside looking in on this this really powerful new media apparatus. But if, I mean, just be FR here. If Trump messaged you right now, as he often does and says, all five of the video production

groups are boycotting. Yeah. If you guys get a team in here, you get... Oh, yeah. Can they get us the prime time slot between friends and family guy on Trump TV? You get the prime time slot. Yeah. Yeah, we'll take that in a heartbeat.

It'll be like that thing where he's charging $100,000 to get news a milliseconds faster on truth social. He'll give us milliseconds faster access. Oh, my God. Dude, and we up the Patreon price. We up the Patreon price. And it's all hedge funds buying us. Anyway, yeah, I don't know if there's too much more to this.

story. I just think it's, I guess I'm happy, first of all, that, you know, the thing that other press outlets did for Fox News during the Obama administration, they are, Fox News is now joining them and doing versus Trump, which I think is a good sign. I do think as Trump seemingly gets weaker and weaker, more lame duck heading in the midterms, it does feel like there's a less of a tendency to automatically count out of these insane requests. I do feel like there's a, It was almost an immediate spine here from people like Fox News that I just felt like it was a sign of his his weakness on this. You know what? Let's pivot the order of our planned topics. And let's move on to another Trump L, which is a real bummer for the Trump heads in our audience. So Trump this week basically lost a big ruling on his mail in voting restrictions. So, okay, so back in March, you may have heard Trump now did an executive order, ensuring citizenship verification. And the idea was basically, He's going to make mail-in voting a lot stricter.

Here's, like, the kind of core takeaways. Like, before, like, before this, states are largely responsible for figuring out who is an eligible voter. But after this executive order, the Department of Homeland Security, the federal government would have a voter list and send that to states and say, these are the only viable, like only eligible people. And then mail-in voting, the USPS, the United States Postal Service, just delivers the mail-in ballots. They're not checking anything.

That's on the states. And then after this, it would say the state has to tell the USPS like a full list and the USPS has to verify it and only mail the ballots that they've checked off with the federal government. And then the envelope itself would have to have this new format that is like a federal thing. Broadly, states decide how mail-in voting works right now. And all 50 states have mail-in voting to some degree. And it would shift it to kind of this like approval system from the federal government. So Trump launched this in March. The way it's supposed to work is something like this.

This comes from Congress, but of course, this is one of those examples where he just kind of, you know, fires. So he fires this. Democratic states and voting rights groups sued and basically said, look, Congress is supposed to be the ones to do this. There's a little back and forth. In June, a federal judge put an injunction on this. In August, the Supreme Court lifted it and said, we are getting rid of that injunction. But more recently, and what's important, on September 4th, like two weeks ago, the same federal judge issued a new injunction that completely, blocked this ruling, okay? The obvious point of this, right, is to make mail-in voting harder leading into the midterms, right? It is now September. We're pretty close to the midterms.

Yeah. So at the beginning of this month, federal judge puts an injunction and blocks this and says that it's not practical. And then the Trump administration asked the Supreme Court to rule in it and to lift this block. And they said, you know, we need this in place to the midterms. This has been one of Trump's like big things of I want to change mail in voting and save America and all this stuff before midterms. And on September 15th, so it's about a week ago now, the Supreme Court voted and said they're leaving the block in place. So it was a 6-2 ruling and it said the government is unlikely to win on the merits. And then Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote that the rule would be quote, arbitrary and capricious because state and local election officials do not have

sufficient time to reasonably implement the rule before the election. But on top of that, they indicated also you probably will not win this case on the merits because it's not supposed to be the president who does this. It's supposed to be Congress. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I saw this. I appreciate him saying that part specifically because it was so obvious, it was getting rushed down mid for this election. And it would have been impossible to get done in time, which would have been a de facto like stripping of all mill and voting rights for a lot of states. Because like literally Yeah, we looked into it, some writers for Big A. And it was like, for them to create the new ballots that have to be in this new system.

Yeah. Like, they don't have the ability to make all those for all the plate. They've already made all the ballots. They've already ready to go. Yeah, it's in a month and a half. Yeah, it's in a month and a half. It's a very unique design that has to be like the ability to be whatever testing. We're not China.

We can't make things. Okay? You give us a few years and we can change the envelope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also it's the design has a unique scanner that everyone has to know us to have and be trained on using. Yeah. And it was like,

it was just obviously designed to make it so that mail-in ballots would either be in admissible, hard to verify, easier to dismiss. Like, it was just very clearly set up for this election. Do you think it's coincidence

that Democrats are more likely to use mail-in voting? Yeah, I think it's, well, you know what I do is before every election is I yonk a bunch of my local mail place and I stuff the ballot box. Yeah.

And I put Democrat on there. So that's what changes the numbers is mostly me. doing it. No, I think it's like a demographic thing, right? It's like, certain ages or certain groups are more like I could use mail-in voting. And that's, they mostly lean-blue. Yeah. You know, I thought was interesting from this. I mean, Trump voted mail-in ballot. Just to be clear, like he, that's what he does, but he voted mail-in ballot both times. Yeah, but he hated every minute of it. Like burned

his hand to the touch. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, that was interesting about this, is I was looking at some different responses that people had to this ruling. And what is, what is sort of interesting is that the left believes, very overly broadly here that the Supreme Court is very partisan. It is 6.3, you know, for Republicans on the Supreme Court. And the feeling is like the Supreme Court is basically allowing Trump to get away with a ton of stuff. And then people on the right feel like the Supreme Court has been unloyal to Trump. And Trump has certainly been very upset about it. There's a true social. I think I linked it to you, Perry.

Jeez. Trump's, yeah, that's a long one. He gets so long lately. Yeah, well, because he goes off on like random other tangents during this, as you can imagine. I think I said this before, but I do goes off on terror fear. Twitter's old character limit was such a benefit to Trump. Yeah. Because it forced him to be like piffy. Yeah. Yeah.

It's, it's been weird. You can't pull a message from this. Trying to scan through these. So here's the quote I thought was most relevant. This Supreme Court is bullied and cajoled by the radical left into making decisions that have set America back at least 100 years. These are not the people I interviewed to serve on the United States Supreme Court.

They are merely a shell of their original selves. And I thought that was so interesting because. again, the perception on the left, I think justifiably is like, hey, you have a Supreme Court that is very conservative leaning. It is six three, three of which were put in there by Trump, right? That's like a crazy thing for a sitting president to have put three justices onto the court. So, uh, I have two different, or let's say three different kind of takes on this. Someone in Vox wrote, quote, at the very least, this USPS decision shows that there are some limits to what the court will tolerate. The court's Republican majority is, extraordinarily tolerant of Trump's antics. And then in USA Today, a conservative writer, Dace Potus, said, Republicans have an equally warped view of some of the court's rulings. The American people's partisan view of the Supreme Court is warped by the fact that it is continuously asked to weigh in on policies that belong in Congress's hands, not the presidents. So he's basically saying, Republicans are upset at the Supreme Court, but that's because they

keep being asked to rule on things that are clearly not going to go Trump's way, because he's doing shit that is like not part of his responsibility. Yeah, like a tariff thing. Yeah, exactly. So I thought that's really interesting is that you have both sides upset with what the Supreme Court is doing. And then Isaac Saul and Tangle wrote basically for all of the kind of arguments about it, the Supreme Court has now struck down Trump's mail-in voting rules, birthright citizenship executive order, deployment of the National Guard in Chicago,

attempting to bar counting ballots after election day, federal reserve governor firing, and most importantly, tariffs, as well as it lists like several other things. like the Missouri voting map. So he said, I probably have more trust in the Supreme Court than any operating U.S. institution with the obvious caveat of like it still feels like it's biased right, obviously.

But I thought that was pretty interesting, like how many people are upset with the court. And there are at least a number of instances now where major things on Trump's end have been shut down by them. It's a similar thing to what happened with his appointment of Kevin Warsh recently for the Fed, which is he had one goal for this guy,

which is lower interest rates. he said it a million times. He said Jerome Powell's too fucking slow. Jerome Powell won't lower him. Joe Brown's an idiot. I'm going to get my guy in there. And he did. And then the first thing Kevin Warsh did is raise him.

I mean, this is the first thing that happened. And Trump had a meltdown on true social about it. He didn't blame Kevin Worse directly yet. He said he was influenced by the radical left people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that happens. He says that. But like, I think the idea is that even if these guys lean his way generally,

he's appointing them to be like absolute sycophants that'll do literally whatever he wants and have absolutely no respect for the... Like, Kevin Warsh, if you look at the broader macro environment of America, could not lower rates. Inflation is too high. There would be no justifiable reason. And so, yeah, you just...

I mean, I think he's overstretching. And yeah, I do think some part of it on a deep level is that he doesn't have the fucking oomph that he had earlier before. Trump's lost his oomph. I do think Trump's lost. Yeah, I think maybe it's the long post. truth. Yeah.

No, but this is like, this is encouraging. It's like, you know, two things. By the way, I think this story is,

is actually super encouraging because I think this mail-in ballot thing was like their last best chance to really dramatically shift the, the percentages of what this midterms is going to be. Yeah. And I think with this being blocked, they're kind of out of time and the midterms will be,

I mean, look, there's been gerrymandering. There's a lot of things that I'm not super happy with, but I think it's going to be broadly reflective of what voters want, which it looks like, based on polling, is a change. And I think,

uh, Yeah. So this made me hopeful. This is a really good story, actually. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Well, let's go into other hopeful optimistic news. Paramount bought Warner. Oh, wait.

This is not that hopeful or optimistic, but I do want to update. Well, let's, this is the new, this is the good news episode now. So one of you, you mean, you spin this? No, this is great. This is too good, encouraging stories. There's resistance against kind of shitty government overage. How is Paramount also part of the same theme? Let me talk about this as best I can.

You picked the wrong source media because I kind of want to crash on this one. There's like one that makes me really matter. But I will try my best to tell you what happened. We'll do the facts first. So if you pull us up, Perry, these 12 states, I colored them in red, but they are blue states. I'm pretty sure they're all blue states. The attorney generals of these 12 states combined

and worked together to sue Paramount to block its takeover of Warner Brothers. This is like the beginning of the story. You may remember, we've talked about this thing, it was that Netflix is going to buy Warner Brothers. And then Paramount came in with a much, much bigger, offer. Warner Brothers said, no thank you. We don't trust you. The Paramount offer got even bigger. And there was some political pressure because owner Larry Ellison is friends with Trump and there

may be some insinuations that the Netflix deal wouldn't pass antitrust. So finally, Warner Brothers said, okay, we'll take your deal. But we have some complications to it, which is that if this deal doesn't go through, you owe us a massive breakup fee. And if it takes a long time to go through, you owe us like $7 million a day starting October 1st. You have pay us every single day, this deal doesn't go through. And Larry Allison was like, fine, there's no problem. And then the deal got blocked by these 12 states and it started to drag on. And then Larry Allison started to get a little worried. He's like, wait a minute. This could go on for a while. How many months has this been? Five months, I think. It's been held on. Damn.

Yeah, this has been a five month period of negotiation with these 12 states who basically said this is going to be too much market power in one company, Paramount and, um, WarnerBullers merging. And so this antitrust deal has been going back and forth. And then, The dam breaks a little bit. And this guy's Rob Bonta. He's the attorney general of California. He is the guy leading this group of 12AGs, probably the most important guy on that side of the antitrust lawsuit.

So then Larry Ellison comes in and he says, hey, it's almost October 1st. A lot of money every day pretty soon. So October 1st is the point at which every day they have to pay. Every day, they have to pay $7 million just because to Warner Brothers for not getting the deal done. They would still have to pay a breakup fee later on if it broke up, or they'd have to pay, you know,

they'd still have to pay for the fucking deal, which is massive. It's a huge amount of debt, huge amount of money. Anyway, Larry Ellison does a Hail Mary. And he says, if I don't get this deal through, I'm going to leave California with Paramount. We're going to take our, I don't know, 60,000 jobs and $2.1 billion in economic activity, whatever.

And we're going to go to, and they bought studio space in Nashville, Nashville, Tennessee. And they were like, literally, we're like, look at the deed. We're going to go. And Rob Bonta comes out and says, this is blackmail. This is a textbook, antitrust case. We're not going to succumb to it. And then a lot of people in California.

Did he succumbed to it? You scum to it. Beans. And then over a long weekend, Rob Bonta, even though you said that publicly, privately, talked to their 12 AGs and said, hey, we can't, we, this is too risky. Apparently, he's under a lot of pressure from both Karen Bass. and Gavin Newsom, but also a lot of people, like the Directors Guild of America,

Yatsi, which is like a 100,000 strong union of film workers in California. Everybody came out of the work and said, the risk of them leaving California is too high. And so this, it's frustrating to me because I've seen shit like this happened on a smaller scale. I remember when,

the weird example, but I remember when Bobby Kodick of Blizzard came to Twitch and said, if you don't give us 100, million dollars for Overwatch League. We're going to pull the Blizzard games off Twitch. And I remember thinking like, he's not going to, it's what a fucking joke. Like nobody's watching him anywhere else.

It's important. But everyone just got scared. Everyone, all the executives got scared. And I think there's a lot of fear that happened here. And so the deal they were hoping to get didn't happen. And they got some concessions, but they're so minor compared to what was being talked about. So what they really wanted was like to force them to divest and break up some parts of the massive company that would exist.

sell off things like CNN, sell things like CBS. One thing I will say, and I want to hear your thoughts on this, too, is during this whole negotiating process, so just for the audience, Paramount and WarnerBillers combined will be a massive media company. They'll own many, many different properties. I couldn't even list them all that.

Maybe if you had to list them. But the main thing they'll have is two gigantic streaming services, HBO Max and Paramount Plus merging. That'll be almost as big as the two big ones, which is like Netflix and Disney Plus. I think they'll still be third, but it'll be very, very close. And so on Larry Ellison's side,

it's clearly that's what he cares about. He wants to build this gigantic streaming service with all these properties. I can't even, I'm, they have Harry Potter, they have fucking every HBO thing you can think of. They have DC. DC, they, yeah, the list goes on the Matrix. Lord of the Rings.

Yeah, there's a ton and ton of properties. That's the huge. But all the people in these like, you know, largely Democratic AGs and politicians that were taught, talking about this. They only fucking cared, not the only, but they kept talking about CNN. And from my POV, I'm like, who the fuck cares about CNN? It has like 50,000 viewers. It is, it is nothing. There's an ex-QC stream that has more people than CNN. CNN is not a major fucking political

force anymore. It is a few old boomers. And, but everybody, they were so concerned about CNN cannot be influenced to be more right-leaning or whatever. And, and, and, and, and, and, And so one of the big concessions they got out of them is that there's going to be an oversight board of five independent journalists over CBS and CNN, which are now owned by this combined thing, to prevent them from being, you know, swayed in a journal. It's just like they didn't talk enough about the fact

that this is a market power play, and they're way more concerned about, like, the political leanings of different platforms and making sure that, I mean, that's a problem. It is a problem that a close Trump ally is buying a gigantic amount of media and has, with Barry Weiss, influence them to be more partisan.

That's a problem. But at the end of the day, these are fucking small potatoes of this deal to look at that part and make that the thing you care about and try to get concessions on, frustrated me a lot. That's the frustrated I had on the other side.

But obviously, my bigger concern is with fucking this gigantically rich billionaire, Larry Ellison, at every step of this process using his political connections and money to push through this, like he shouldn't have won. versus Netflix. They didn't,

Warner Bros. didn't want it. Then he got, then he used his power to get that. And then the AGs had a really strong case against them.

And he got them to dismiss it by threatening to pull all the money out. So I'm sorry, I went on a huge round. I don't know if you have any thoughts or anything I missed or there's parts that you want to talk about. That's wild.

That's what I wanted to do. No, no, you're right. It is, so let me make sure I'm, I'm following this as well. Because my understanding is it's the deal.

Yeah. Or settlement, I should say, is like independent editorial boards for CNN and CBS. Yep. And there is a, they have to release, Paramount has to release 30 movies a year. And there's a $30 million penalty if they fall short of that.

And so it seems like half of that. There's a key word in that. It's release. It's distribute, actually, is what the contract says. And if you look into that, it doesn't mean they actually have to make 30 films, which require them to spend a lot of money. And they can just release them. They have tons of films backlogged.

They can release. You know how many times are going to put Morbius in theaters? Yeah, they could do anything. They can do limited releases. They can do movies they've already made that are on the fucking shelves. They can buy a film from an indie distributor and release it. But at a look, there's so many ways around this weasel word. And last year they released, I think, 17 films.

And they're on pace to release 15 in the next year. And that's it. And that's not, there's no big change. They're going to do exactly what they wanted. I saw a really great piece. And I'm sure remember who it's by. But I know I'm a fucking antitrust Andy. and maybe there's a world.

I'm not even going to, even if I'm being the most charitable, maybe there's a world where you can make a real argument that this guy primarily wants the streaming assets. At the end of the day, Netflix is the 800 power gorilla. They're still super big.

This guy could merge HBO Max and Paramount Plus and it's not like destructive market power. Even though it will certainly cause layoffs in LA. That's already happening. There's a great article that came out today. People are already gearing up for layoffs of these companies because these companies have, you know,

finance departments do, whatever. They're going to eliminate one. But even if you agree that it's not an antitrust violation for these two companies to merge and be around the size of their competitors, even though we end up with a fewer number, total number of streamers, which is a problem. But okay, the conditions you make upon this deal, there's a long history of when they do these antitrust deals, the companies will say almost anything during the process to get it through. and then once it's through, it is so much harder to enforce or clawback.

Like your period of maximum leverage against them is before it happens. And if you do not get solid in writing commitments, if you get any kind of weasel words, if you don't make the punishments clear, they always seem to walk back. I mean, again,

a huge part of the Activision Blizzard Microsoft deal, they talked over and over again about how layoffs were not going to be part of it and they're not going to, and then there's been, there's layoffs today. They've been done laughs. They've been wave after wave or wave,

and there's nothing you can really do about it once it happens. And so these commitments they're asking them to make about number of movies and keeping things in California. And listen, they're keeping things in California because that's where the talent is right now and that's where they're fucking everything's set up. If it turns out it's more profitable to move to Nashville later on, they're going to fucking do it.

And so it just feels like a real backtrack. And what I want to say is I looked into the punishments for things like, what if they just literally don't release a film next year? They're not going to do that because they want to make money. But if they just didn't do it, the punishment is like they have to spin off Miramax. It's like these tiny little concessions. Like the considerations they made art,

they just have nothing in writing that is like a hard, fast limit. And again, one of the big concessions they were forced to make is like, they cannot interfere with the journalistic integrity of CNN and CBS. And that'll be determined by this individual view board. But there's no like thought of what happens if they do.

What happens if there is that influence? Not only that. Reuters said the commitment, are temporary and expire within three to five years. That's for the 30 movies annually and the independent editorial boards. Yeah. So we'll get independence for three to five years. And then Larry's son will be the chief editor.

Yeah. And then this whole thing is Larry Ellison's fucking rich kid son now owns two of the biggest studios in all of Hollywood, um, Skydance media. It's just, he's come a gigantic media titan all of his dad's tech money and political connections. And I just think that's awesome. Yeah. No, me too. Well, I do think some part of it, uh, I'm kind of disappointed in Rob Bonta and Karen Bass and Gavin Newsom, all for cowtowing to this

are backing down. But I do think some part of it. I think Rob Bonta had a statement that it like sucks to hear, but he's basically saying like the truth is there's a real chance we've got a loss in court, which is true, which is true. Like the antitrust argument on a purely like streamer size basis, It's tough to say. I think this whole combined media empire is obviously too powerful and obviously too tied in politically. But whether they would have been struck down, I don't know.

Probably not. And then if they lose, then they get no concessions. They're trying to get some concessions and like balance everything. But it just, the whole thing kind of sucks. It just sucks because I think they had some real momentum. I think the 12 states were making progress. And I think Larry Ellison was backed against the wall and did this Hail Mary Leave California thing.

and it just annoys me how quickly it worked. Yeah. Yeah, this quote here, seeing an opportunity to, quote, resolve a case in the bedroom rather than the courtroom. Because he got fucked. He got fucked. Oh,

nope, that says boardroom. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Courrooms always have a risk. Maybe some context here. It is true. I haven't looked into it.

Maybe you have, like the exact details about the perception that Hollywood is no longer producing movies. But certainly I've seen, you know, Many actors talk about this, many producers. And anecdotally, you know, like before this job, I worked in, like, production in L.A. And we've lived in L.A. for, you know, seven years.

And anecdotally, most of the people who talk about being in the industry in L.A., it is harder to get work. There are fewer movies. There are fewer TV shows. You have, I mean, you know, like the people who made The Office, for example, or we'll talk about, like, we used to, would film stuff. We could film it here in L.A. And nobody can do that anymore. And so there is a, I think, real sense of urgency. And you hear this when you listen to.

the mayor of L.A. race going on and the California governor race going on of like one of the golden eggs of California, one of the most influential things in the fucking world, which is Hollywood media, uh, that that is going away and has been rapidly and is not really being clawed back. And then to have one of the major studios in L.A. Leave would be potentially catastrophic. And so that's why I think you see that much pressure from all the people working. genuinely afraid. They clearly got to them. Their entire tone changed in a weekend.

The pressure was enormous. Yeah, the backlash from, again, film unions all throughout LA. Like, people don't want to see 60,000 jobs disappear instantly. But you have hundreds of thousands of people already who are, who feel like the California opportunity is slipping away. And then this would be just horrific to them. So that's where the pressure comes from. Yeah.

And they are, I think, to bring filmmaking back to L.A. there's new tax packages being rolled out. And I think obviously this happening would have undermined all. It would have been a bigger loss than anything that would incrementally gain. Right, right, right. And so, but it's just, you know, obviously it's frustrating to see a billionaire use a threat like that to get. Like, this should be, as Rob Bonta said, a straightforward boilerplate antitrust case. And it really wasn't.

It wasn't treated that way. It was treated for larger political reasons. So it is frustrating. That being said, I mean, like, you know, it's possible they just run the shit into the ground. Well, whatever. It's like at the end of the day, if you don't do a good job, your market power only goes so far. The guy bought CBS. They put very wise in charge of it.

The viewership is down to like a fraction of what it was. Yeah. That is a piece. Man, it's weird to hear the reverence with which the average boomer talks about all the media. And it is really, it's bizarre to be a content creator where no job. joke. I can talk about what it would feel like to give birth out of my asshole on stream. And that clip will get 400,000 views

on YouTube. And then you watch CNN do coverage of whatever. And it has 5,000 views on YouTube. And it's like, why is this the most important thing? Like, this is not where people... They care about it so much. I mean, Trump, both sides, they care about it. They think it's like this existential battle over the soul of CNN. And it's like,

you've lost the plot. Nobody fucking cares. This shit. Give him CNN. It doesn't matter. Like, just don't give him the insane market power and the ability to lay off 20,000 people instantly, you know, that's the part that people should be concerned about, but they seem to care more about the other thing. That being said, evolving story, we'll find out more on it. Maybe there can be more drama with it.

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Anthropic employee, it is famous, I'm quitting because of AI danger thing. There has just been nonstop new news on that front and other things. So I'm excited to hear what this is. Cool. So Anthropic, every few months or so, they release a document talking about the various misuses of their AI that have been happening. So this is a little separate from the broader conversation about how rapidly we should be developing things.

And so this is from last December until this August. and they have basically listed some of the most unique or extreme cases of people using Claude for nefarious things. And for each one of these, this is like them reporting, hey, we saw this attack or misuse, we disrupted it, we reported it to the authorities. But some of these are crazy. I don't know, just scroll through in the background period. There's 150 pages. It's quite a lot. Some highlights include Russians who are using Claude to attack Ukrainian officials and steal drone technology, like drone vision tech,

which they then are passing to Russian weapons manufacturers. Oh, there's multiple Russian ones, Perry, if you search Russian. There's one where a French-speaking guy, just they speak French, that's all we know. What is using Claude? I mean, this is like just fucking some guy in Russia typing hack Ukraine, make no mistakes. Dude, so it's interesting going through this is Claude is obviously set up to try to say no to most of these requests. So a lot of what they talk about in the different stories in this document is how people get around that. by obfuscating what they're actually doing by saying,

oh, I just need you to help me make a platform that gets into this thing. Or, you know, they'll use like some of the Chinese open models for certain pieces and then Claude to build like the platform or something. So in this case is, in this case, it was using Claude to build like these sophisticated hacking campaigns that would go and just like find any targets that they can and try to find any entry point into their credential systems. Because I recently. I'm saying how minor it is in comparison,

but I was using Claude for Ludwig and I are in a Pokemon tournament. And you hacked the Ukrainian in officials too? That was part of it too. It just as a fun thing. But I uploaded both of our Pokemon tournament saves. And I was like, hey, could you make a thing so we could draft our paired Pokemon? And they're like, is this for a tournament? And I was like, yeah.

And they're like, well, we can't. The Claude was like, no, I will not make this because the tournament it might interrupt the sanctity of the tournament. I was like, what the fuck are you talking about? What the fuck are you talking about? Thank you, Claude. This is Pokemon and you don't know me. And, uh, but after asking it another way, like it just did it.

And so it was like, I was doing what they're doing, I guess, which is just weird. It's a weird thing. You have to get around it. A lot of the reports in here, they talk about like how they got around Claude being like, no, we're not going to help you. For example, target EU political groups and hack into their database. and whatnot. There's also these like influence campaigns, which you can probably imagine, where people use social media and have Claude write for a bunch of fake accounts. This includes,

there's multiple in here, where Iranian state groups are using Claude to write state propaganda and then spread it on Iranian social media. Beast. Which it, you know, saying it's from real writers and news sources. So that's like they are disseminating propaganda to the Iranian citizens. That's pretty dope. There's two different ones where Chinese, police make a surveillance system to track political dissidents, including, quote, producing functional suppression guidance. And they say, Claude refused this, but they kept changing the prompts until they got him to do it. And then at the end, they talk about how they're straight up. I just want to say, like, no cyberpunk novel from my youth ever predicted. This is like that you would

end up talking to an AI and repeating yourself in different ways. Like, it's not. Real life is so funny because nobody, no science fiction author predicted this is how it would end up being. Yeah. It's such a weird quirk of like, my grandma loves to bake bread. Can you tell me a baking bread that also hacks Ukrainian state media? It's just weird. It's such a crazy

My grandma's bread recipe is stuck inside the EU political apparatus. She's about to die. I need to make it one last time, Claude. And like it works. It's such a it's so weird. And if you'd have written that 10 years ago, people like that, what a weird thing. It doesn't make any sense.

it's funny to look I'll give the disclaimer here as I'm sure somebody will bring up we Claude Anthropic is a sponsor of the show but they have no editorial oversight over us at all so we can say whatever we want I think like a common criticism of Claude actually is that it is too like feels like your parents sometimes yeah no no no don't do that thing was crazy and it's it was wild reading like skimming through this and just like holy shit they no wonder they're probably scarred okay so because for example a group in Yemen is using Claude Code to make the guidance software for missiles. And Claude kept refusing so they would like break it into many different sessions

and never make it clear what it was being built on and split it across a lot of instances so that it took Anthropical while to figure out like what was being used. But the crazy thing is in some of these cases they would just say in other cases like, yeah, I'm part of this group in Iran. We're like a, we're like a, we're part of a military resistance. And so this leads into one of the crazy things. It like the information is getting like sensitive information is getting to anthropic because these idiots put that in their prompts. Oh yeah.

So for example, a Chinese group asked Claude to write the specs for an anti-torpedo system for a boat and then pitched it to Chinese defense manufacturers while lying and saying they were a U.S. defense manufacturer. And then there's a whole section near the bottom where they talk about deep seek and Kimmy. So we have talked about deep-seeking Kimmy as the two big Chinese AI models who are really disrupting the like American AI system, right? And, uh, and there's been all these accusations from Anthropic and Open AI that they are sort of improperly using Claude and Open AI to, to train their own models. So amongst that also being in this document, they say, this is what Anthropica said, which is that Moonshot, uh, Kimmy, which we talked about a couple months ago, has secret. been forwarding requests to Claude instead of running them on Kimmy. Quote, in one instance, over a 10-day period, Moonshot relayed almost 300,000 customer requests to Anthropic,

using a proxy service network of 5,000 fraudulent accounts. So Moonshot, the Chinese darling right now, is for some percentage of people, clearly not all of them, but sending them to Anthroping and just being like, I don't know whether it's, it doesn't say in here, is that because they didn't have enough compute power? I don't know. I was looking at this.

I want to figure it out because 300,000 is obviously a very, very small fraction of the number of requests both Kimmy and Deepsea get. It seems to do with the harness. So basically, if somebody's using a third-party harness to put it simply, it's like the wrapper around the AI that people use to help coordinate all of this stuff. If the wrapper is a third-party program, not something that Moonshot made, then Moonshot, if they recognize that is more likely to send that customer's request somewhere else. Oh, interesting. So they're kind of like, hey, this person isn't using our full stack. So we'll send them to Anthropic, Anthropic and do this one. Also, Deep Seek has been doing this. And so they all, you know, so they say, Deep Seek is also silently related exchanges to Claude.

Now, what that means is you have people, for example, in China or Russia, who are using Chinese models. Yeah. Because they don't want it to go to America. They're legally required to. Who are leaking, who are leaking data to Anthropics. So here's two examples. A Chinese government tech company asked Deek seek to analyze private data and, including the full specs and strategy of a flagship Chinese government AI program.

Quote, the company was almost certainly not made aware that its data was being relayed to Claude. They just sent that to an American, to an American company who then forwarded it to the American authorities. I heard one of them uploaded full satellite data. There was a, some deficiencies in China. They uploaded a full satellite imagery data that they had from their private servers. Yeah. To what they thought was Kimmy or whatever.

And then it routed the quad. And fucking Dario's sitting there on his laptop being like, okay. And there's another one. A Russian defense agency told Deepseek to help with an IT task. It was sent to Anthropic and quote, exposed live credentials for Russian government databases. So these people are using Chinese models that are just sending it over to Anthropic. So this, this is just kind of crazy. The amount of the variety of crazy,

malicious use cases that actors around the world are using for this stuff. So, you know, obviously the hope is this doesn't get too out of hand. It is certainly very scary. The hope is that you're going to have more people fighting back against this type of stuff. But one of the clear themes from this document that they say explicitly and you can pick up if you just read through it, it's that people who could, who were maybe like small fry hackers before have become much more sophisticated and it's much cheaper to run these operations because of AI. It used to be more of a distinction between this is like a real legit hacker group, which is, which is worrying versus this is a couple like rogue programmers in Yemen or whatever. But now these AI tools

are really leveling up bad actors. It's a little scary. Um, man, wild. That's my, that's my line. Oh, sorry, sorry. Hey, what do you think about this? Like, that's wild. Damn, dude. No, this is, this is truly a fair. fascinating release. I do feel like this is a weird era where not only is my gut tells me if you flash forward 20 years just open public access

to this, to models like this, and also the information like this won't exist. I just feel like this is going to be something that will no longer, we're in an era where everything feels very open. You know what I'm... Yeah. Maybe they're wrong.

I could be wrong, but I just feel like this, the more powerful they get, the more eventually something will happen. Yeah. I'm not saying it's a good thing. I'm just like it's just so wild that anyone, anywhere in the world basically can can boot up

this level of intelligence and use it for whatever they want. It's just a weird thing. It's a weird thing. It's a weird. Start designing missile guidance systems. I, you know, and it's, I think it's worth us presenting

the counter argument to what we just talked about, which is that you could argue that Anthropic is presenting this stuff basically as a scare tactic to say, you know, with a lot of these things, like there was a great, There's one where, like, a group in Turkey set up a thousand fake accounts to manipulate the Malaysian elections and then tried to get a contract with Malaysians, like, regulator and basically

be like, you should pay us to manipulate your elections for you. And quote, we found no evidence that this pursuit succeeded. So a lot of these things don't, like, end up working in this document. But you could argue that, like, you know, Anthropic is very, very public about these types of things and is the one of the most, I don't know. vociferous companies about we should be putting regulation in and stopping the access, exactly what you're saying.

And you can obviously argue that the goal of that is for them to become a walled garden to get a bunch of regulation set up so they become the winner, right? No, 100%. Steve Isman made a great point about this that kind of went semi-viral where he talked about the big push from Anthropic, OpenAI, even Elon

joined the... Everyone was on the same page for a few days of pacing their frontier and how they've all dramatically overspent and making this tied in with government regulation and making a few Waldgarden oligopoly would be beneficial. 100%. I do think that there's,

there's two minds of it. Because half my brain is like, I've seen this shit get way, way, way scarier in two years. So clearly there's something. It's a kernel of truth in there. And then I also, I'm like, every instinct of my body is like,

there's some financial trickery of your foot. And it was sure would be nice if they could find, a way to like offload some of the, uh, competitive pressures, which is like they're feeling from each other. They do the price war is getting crazy. As of like today, uh, open AI and Anthropic both cut their prices to like, they're, they're already not making money.

They're both like these crazy price wars. And they have Kimmy and fucking, uh, uh, Anthropic is profitable. They were profitable for their second quarter. Yeah, they're profitable with a lot of fucking, a lot of caveats, a lot. One of which is that now that the, the Yemen. terrorists aren't using it to build missiles. That's a huge cut in their profits. Yeah, it is funny. Like most of the illicit, like, there's a whole black market emerging in like the AI ecosystem where people use AI to hack to get API keys so that they can charge other people's accounts

to keep using AI. That's like a whole ecosystem. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 100%. Uh, oh, actually a different subject. I'll bring up. I want to talk about this. It's not a huge topic, but it's relevant. So it's, uh, you saw Facebook's new Muse thing. This is unironically, I'm going to look at you and say, I don't know about this AI topic. Can you teach me? Oh, great. Awesome. I don't know a ton about it. But, okay, so Facebook. For whatever it's worth, I think AI is bad. Okay. Good. You'd be that guy? Perfect. And I'll be the AI as good guy. The only two stances, by the way. The only two stances you can have.

There's no, no, look. Okay, so a little context, which we all probably know, but Facebook has been a laggard in the AI wars. They've spent the same amount of money as everybody, but obviously their direct-to-consumer AI platform. I didn't forget what it's called. Is it called Muse before?

What was it called? It was a Lama. Well, Lama was the open store. I mean, they've had a variety. I know, but it's so bad that. I don't even remember the name. It's Chad GPT, it's Claude, and it's whatever.

whatever. Zucker Borg. Anyway, no users. And then they have done very poorly. And they also had that AI fucking app that didn't get any traction. Oh, yeah, yeah. So they've been spending the money

and hoping for something. Finally, it seems like they have a product that people might be interested in. And this is Mews, which came out, which is basically like, I'll describe how it works, which is you give it access to everything on your life, on your phone,

which is your emails and your text messages and your contacts and all your accounts for Amazon and everything else. And then it, runs AI agents that can handle your life. So you can say, I want to book a movie for a Saturday. Can you reorder my toothbrush or whatever? It, you know, it's one of those things where you're probably not giving your data to the best person in the world for it, but that's he's made his whole career off that. And people are saying it is remarkably useful. Now, this has already

existed in things like open claw and similar to that, but they packaged it in a way that's very clean and consumer friendly. It's almost Apple-esque how it's like it just works. You put it in and people have noticed that it can do things. This is like on your phone or on your laptop? Either. It's both. Oh, wow, yeah. Just said on Google Play. Wait, so you just give it access to everything and it can just use all those apps?

Essentially, yes. It's an AI agent that can use all your apps and you give it full access. Yeah. And, um... Be like, hey, I need to change my doctor's appointment. Go ahead and make that missile guidance system. Exactly. Those kind of things.

Reorder my toothbrush. Anyway, so this hit very, very high balance. I think number one in the app store. It's been very, very successful. It's the most successful product that they, had in AI thus far. It just hit the ground running. People are reporting pretty good use cases. Now obviously I'm not signed up for this, but I've seen video that while people walk through it. And it seems like it does. It's what you want it to do with. You don't care about privacy.

What is he? What is a use case? Like the major use case is like the convenience of having a semantic search of everything you've ever in it. So like when you're like, man, I don't remember who I had to fall up with on this thing. And it's like, well, I searched through 10. million emails. This is the guy. This is the contract. I can handle both. It's like, it's like fucking chat GPT. But if it had access to everything, it's like an assistant. It's an assistant. And there is use cases for that and people have found them. The interesting thing is, I look at this. And the first instinct I have is that this is probably going to be somewhat the direction we're going. This is a successful product. I can just tell whenever I've been

like, if the major criticism of something is privacy, even if it's 100% true, it has never stopped the public ever. In my entire life, we've never stopped in it. And I'm sure it's not going to stop now. And whether it's them winning or someone else, I can see that this is like a direction we're heading where you're going to have a semantic agent. Maybe it's Siri, maybe it's whatever. They've accessed all your shit. They're going to, so, so when you think through the context of that, this is like me just talking now. It's like, so today or maybe yesterday, there was this big, uh, response from Amazon. Amazon saw how successful this app was and immediately realized, holy fuck, we might become

commoditized. You may be the layer underneath the user layer, which is the idea is like once people stop interacting with individual apps and that's not going to Amazon app, I'm not going to this. You're just going to tell Muse. If I just tell Muse what to do. I'm looking for this thing. Go buy it for me. Then all the sudden, Amazon is no longer that valuable because it can be replaced whatever the cheaper option is. Like Amazon is the one stop shop for a consumer so they go there because it's easier. But if you're having an app tell you what to do, eventually they can be like, if you told me to buy batteries

and I can find a cheaper battery, I just won't go to Amazon. I'll just all handle the fucking friction of that. Yeah, that makes sense. And so Amazon realized this actually really quickly. Usually it takes incumbents a long time to realize they're getting fucking layered out like that. And they cut off access.

But even Elon Musk jumped in to this fucking conversation, I wish I had his tweet in front of me. It would be helpful. Maybe you can find it. And it's like, isn't the AI just going to be able to spoof the user's actions and IP? Oh. The idea is like, it doesn't do it now.

Right now, if you're on Muse, you're like, hey, go re-buy my toothbrush on Amazon. It'll be like, I'm sorry, I can't use Amazon. I've been blocked because of the thing. But eventually, it'll just be able to log in as you, open the app as you, do everything as you. And so I guess I'm just realizing from this, in this past few days from this muse thing, that this is going to be like this insane arms race because it's kind of the way, and Zuckerberg is extra attuned to this because he is the guy that guy. kind of commoditized by the phone companies,

by Apple and Google, which owned the layer of the phone and they had all the real power. And if you're the guy that owns the agent and you have all the users of the agent, then you get to dictate terms. Because let's say, for example, someone doesn't want to offer your agent

a great deal on toothbrushes. You're like, all right, well, you're out. We have 300 million users, you're out. And then you're fucked. It's kind of what Amazon does to suppliers. Like, everybody wants to be the top layer where the consumer actually uses it because everyone underneath gets fucked.

It's the way restaurants get fucked by Uber Eats. Because if you're not on the app, then you lose all the access to the consumers. So I'm just realizing that agents are going to be that and this war is going to be insane. And right now, though likely it'll end up being fucking Apple or Google, probably the winners.

Right now, Google's been trying to do this. Every time I open my Gmail or text or anything, it's like you could connect everything and then we'll do it for you. I don't need that. No, I don't need that right now.

I personally don't want it. Yeah. But having seen people respond to this, it just feels like people didn't want it until it's like so convenient and like clean. I'm, I certainly think this is going to be, like you said, one of the biggest use cases of AI for the average person. Because I don't know, like I was just planning like my upcoming trip, right, where like I'm having to figure out hotels for Japan and whatnot.

And to be able to say, here are all the parameters that I want, here are the things I'm interested in. You can go look at it and see my travel history. Go plan an entire itinerary. Do everything for me. Just I'll check things off real quick. But it's just a trip planner, right? And it does all the stuff. Like that would be convenient if it works well, if I trust it, many caveats.

So it makes sense that they're all racing for that. Especially if you had like eight friends you're going with. Hey, can you email these people, get their schedules fit? You like do all this shit. One more thing I want to say on this. So again, I don't have too much more. There's the Amazon. There's the Elon Musk response.

Amazon won't be able to tell whether the buyer is a human or an AI acting on their behalf if access is via the user's IP address and cookies. Which seems to me to be true because I've seen demos of like someone with a MacBook screen open. Or if I have that video. and then they tell it to do something and it literally just controls the mouse essentially and opens the fucking app. That's not how it works now, but it can do that.

And so it's a weird, there's no way to block it. Anyway, Zuckerberg, ever since 20, I don't know, 13, when Apple basically big dogged him and changed the privacy rules for his apps and didn't do it for Apple's stuff, he has been in a desperate fucking quest to be the top layer.

He wanted it so bad, and I think this is their attempt to do it, and we'll see how it goes. Well, do you think that Mark Zuckerberg talked to Mews and said, can you go get a deal with Greenland? To be honest, Doug, no. I don't think he did that.

Well, but maybe someone else did. Trump did. Trump did, okay. Because Trump keeps winning, dude. He's on dub streak. He's on a fucking dub streak. We covered a couple else in this episode. but I think it's within a larger

sea, I'm sure of us. We just never catch them. Like, yeah, the hell's come and go. But the dove like this, literally, if I quote, forever, we will have forever presence on Greenland. Greenland, baby. So Trump, Denmark and Greenland,

the prime minister's Denmark and Greenland, signed in agreement. This is a while meeting at the UN right now, it's amending an existing defense treaty from 1951. So the American government does not get to own Greenland.

We're not changing the flags. And I do want to just make sure everybody writes a solemn 07 in the chat for that. However, this agreement does say that the U.S. can establish two new military bases. One is an old, like, Cold War era military base. And there's another would be new. We already have one in the Northwest.

You can pull up this Wikipedia page about it. If you click the image of the top right, it's tiny. Padoofic. Uh, that's, yeah, it's just funny that this is, you know, what all the, the hullabaloo is around. Um, but it will give America like broad access in the, to like our navies and our, uh, airplanes will be able to know, like, so obviously the dunk on this that most people will do is like, is like, this is there is the deal we already had, you fucking buffoon? Is there anything new? Is there like, is there? My understanding is this does expand it. Um, so there's like, so there's the two new bases that there's permission for the US can create a missile defense system, which of course, Trump's calling the golden. Dome. So that would be if Europe is shooting missiles at us, which presumably is not going to come from, you know, France. It would come from Russia or something. Who knows what the way things are going? But basically, you know, missiles coming from that direction would likely go over the Arctic Circle. So that would be the idea for defense. And then the USA is going to have exclusivity on military

bases where the agreement says that, or I shouldn't even say USA, non-NATO states cannot have a military presence. And then Trump said, no U.S. adversary will ever be permitted. to establish a military presence in Greenland anymore. So this is a signed thing. It does still need to get approval by the parliaments of Denmark and Greenland. But Frederiksen, the Danish PM, described the agreement as a deal that can, quote, last forever. And said it underlines the importance of the NATO alliance and respects Greenland's right to self-determination. So it's, you know, what's nice?

It just does not, I'm not trying to do the easy fucking Twitter dog, but it does not sound very different from the status quo. Like I do not think that before this deal Russia or China could have set up military base in Greenland But now it's written Now it's written down It's a massive gun Now it's locked in

Also it's forever As opposed to just being implied forever Sure I mean yeah what I this makes them Stop fucking threatening Greenland This is a fine It's a huge win I guess Yeah

We can move on from that shameful chapter It's certainly Being touted as a victory by Trump Which is like We now have forever exclusive rights I think you're right that it's not a major difference but it is amending the

defense treaty. I guess like the stories I read about this like from Rooters are not going into explicit detail about how it's different. So there is military presence here right? But I think this is expanding basically the freedom with which America has to just like go through all the waters, go through all the land like without permission

this like locks that in. Sure. My understanding is we used to have a lot more bases than we shut them down. So it's like it wasn't like it was our choice shut them down. It wasn't where we're trying to get back so we can make more bases. I don't know. Let's drop a W in the chat.

I guess it's fine. You know what? I think as long as the Greenland saga is over, this is huge. That's the big win. It's fine. Great. As much as like we definitely need the golden defense to protect yourself from Britain.

It's mostly just like he will now, he will now say like, I won. I did the thing. I got the deal. I don't know. I think the Greenland thing was so one of, I mean, Iran is probably the dumbest thing he's done. But this is one of the biggest distractions.

and self-owns, especially as I think U.S. Europe cooperation regards to, like, manufacturing with China, all these things would be really important right now. And this Greenland thing has been just so stupid. It hangs over everything. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm glad that it's also funny. You know, he, the, the agreement now is like, no non-NATO country can ever, like, establish military presence here.

But in order to get this deal, he has torched NATO's, like, appreciation was. He's like ruined the reputation of America and within NATO. I'm going to say it. It's going to sound crazy. But I have a feeling they could have got this deal without threatening to it. No, I don't think that's true. I know he's the art of the deal master. I know maximum pressure. I have a feeling NATO would have agreed to this prior without burning the bridge. If you go into a gas station and you point a gun at the cashier and say give me the price listed outside. No, no, you say, give me everything in the store.

And they say, no. And then you say, how about for $4.99? And they say, yeah, that's fine. And they give it to you. You won the deal. I see. He won. I see.

Oh, you know what? I'm learning something every day from our goat negotiator. All right. That Greenland story is that's quick. We got another quick one from you. Wait, yeah. So on this note, I did a big a clip, which is about the rising diesel crisis around the world.

I don't know if you've seen diesel prices have gotten pretty fucking insane. Yada, yada, yada. And at the end of the client. I talked about how there was some rumors that perhaps the United States would follow suit with Russia and ban diesel exports. Because United States is a massive diesel exporter. Diesel prices are getting so absurd. If you ban the exports and contain it only to America, prices will drop in America. You will, you know, cut off a lot of people who had grown to rely upon you and there'll be problems with that. But you will temporarily drop prices. Yeah. We point the gun at everybody else and we say the oil's ours. Sure, sure, sure, sure. Yeah, yeah.

In an emergency, I'm not even saying it's the world's craziest thing, but I'm saying right now it was being considered. In the case of a natural disaster, where a country, you have... There's nothing we could have done, and the diesel prizes are rising. Trump came out and said he would support the U.S. diesel export ban. There's a huge push for this on the Republican side.

And I want to say that I don't know if they're fully thinking through the implications of doing this, especially, even though diesel is high, this early into a diesel crisis, because if you cut off, the United States is, again, a massive, maybe even the world's biggest exporter of diesel. Number one or like number two,

it's really up there. And because of the sanctions, we've asked people to put on Russia and the sanctions, because of the complications of the Iran war, there are many countries, especially those in Europe, who are absolutely going into this winter

needing U.S. diesel exports. There is not another way around it. Okay. And so if we choose to do this, yes, we will temporarily drop diesel prices from like $8 a gallon to $6 a gallon. Yeah. But the damage it's going to do and the political chaos is going to cause and it will be a catastrophe. Because there's really, we've now, you know, kind of fucked up to the world to the point where for a lot of people, we are the diesel source. And if you do this final cutoff, the second thing will happen is you're going to create the fucking most entree.

Frenched black markets in this country for diesel as you've ever seen. Because the price gap between what it is at home and what it is out there will be so massive. Oh God. That the fucking infrastructure for people to fucking have untracked diesel sales is going to be massive. Because there's just going to be too much demand for the fucking mismatch. I would just say, I think this is a foolish decision. And he's rushing into it really quickly based on political pressure. And if you think about it for two seconds, it's probably not a good idea to do it.

I don't, if Trump, if you're watching, I know you banned those from the White House. Well, if you do it, then you get leverage to get Greenland. Hopefully with Greenland locked in. Right when the deal finishes, he pulls another gun from his other pocket. And it's the diesel. No, this is really good stuff. What is... Yeah, an export ban would hit developing countries hard and send shockwaves across Europe,

which is heavily reliant on imports of American petroleum. Again, Europe has a lot of refineries, but it doesn't actually produce a lot of the raw petrochemical that goes into the refineries. Like, they produce 5% of what they use. And like, I don't know, a huge chunk of that, 70, 80% of that gap is coming from American sources at this point. America right now. And if they don't have it, it's going to be, they're going to need to pray for the warmest fucking winter in Europe. Otherwise, well, we can help with that too.

I'll sprays America has been solving that problem the last few decades too. So I want to, yeah, I don't know. I'm not going to. Yeah, that's that, there's a much word of the story. Do you know, this is, so this is happening like right now where now at the UN they're meeting. And Trump has said that he's meeting with the Iranian delegation. The odds that this gets resolved soon or at the UN, probably pretty low, given that there's been however many months now of it.

Have you heard anything about that? So Trump is meeting with Xi Jinping this week, actually. I think he just landed. Xi Jinping just landed. There's anything that the big Xi Trump summit in America is doing a sick military flyover to show how cool it was. Damn. And on the docket of discussion, major docket is this.

Iran, I mean, sorry, China did step in and tell Iran to tell the Houthis to stop attacking Saudi Arabia. Okay. Because the fucking gas price situation is starting to get out of control for everybody. And China is back to buying gas, which they weren't doing before. They were totally off the grid. So I do think at some level, the biggest powers in the world and almost everybody is aligned that we have to stop them from getting worse. Yeah. So I hope, my assumption is like,

even if you're the dumbest or whatever, cooler heads will prevail because the way it's escalating is going to be bad for literally everybody. Like if diesel keeps going up, it's the lifeblood of every global economy right now. Everybody uses it for trucking, trains, heavy machinery,

and it's, you know, in France, they're out of it in some places. Like, it's a problem. So I'm hoping this gets figured out. And it could.

It could very well. I mean, oil prices are reacting like there's real chance of a deal, but they've been doing that for a while. Yeah. I don't know. So presumably, I mean, if China's buying diesel again

and then Russia is having to ban diesel exports in order to save their own economy, they obviously do not want to. They want to ship diesel to people and sell it. They need it for the money for the war effort. But they did ban it because of Ukraine who has been destroying their diesel refineries.

Oh, it was less from saving their own economy. No, yeah, it was less from their economy and more from the fact that they are in a diesel crisis because like half of their refineries have been destroyed. Wow. And so they're like, you can't ship anything. out. And we're not at that level. And so it's like crazy to jump to this extreme, I think. Yeah. So early. That's basically what I'm trying to make the point of. But no more necessary.

What else? What else? Let's do the topics. Oh, yeah. Sorry, this is quick. Another quick one. Did you know that in Texas data centers aren't cool anymore? I didn't hear about this. Big Greg. Greg Abbott, the beloved governor of Texas. Now, for a while, he has been very, very, very pro data center. Texas has been building just a shitload of data centers and kind of trying to get to the number one spot. But we talked a month ago how he actually put like a halt on new data centers being connected to the main power grade or cot and so there was already some walking back But now so he's running for the fourth term for governor and Mark Jones political science professor out of Texas shows Abbott leading Hinojosa

49% to 45 so he is in polls like ahead in this governor race But not by much he had double digit victories in the previous election that he's going against. It's got in Texas. Yeah. So for him to be this close, for Greg Abbott, who's like a,

you know, a very well-known, like one of the faces of like Republican success, blah, blah, blah. So now it's like he, that lead that he has is so narrow. He is needing to massively backtrack

on data centers in order to counteract this. So he already did some freezing of stuff in August. This week he announced total halt on all environmental permits for all data centers. Basically,

this is freezing new data center production for at least like a couple months. Now it's not just, hey, if you want to get hooked into this data, this power grid, you've got to get permission. Now it's like basically everybody across the entire state. So he's probably still going to win this election. He has a $67 million war chest for the election, which is more than 20 times the cash that his opponent has. But it's just, it's wild to watch how quickly the data center conversation is shifting despite Trump still going hard on it. He's in the paint.

He's in the paint. On like three different issues lately, Trump has, these are like 80, 20 issues. Trump has just tripled down on the 20 side. And I got to, it's because like, I don't like these choices.

You reply to his tweet about changing the name. That's his, that's a whole other thing. That's so funny. Trump's response to now being on the 20 side of an 80, 20 issue against AI safety,

which he's like, there's no risks at all. And data centers, which is like, don't kill the golden goose, was to say, like, we should rename it to superior intelligence or super intelligence. It did a poll. And that's his big idea.

Dude, he was really into the poll, too. He dropped, he never, you never tweets. This is an actual tweet, not a true social. Yeah. He drops a tweet. It has three poll options. It's like superior intelligence and intel, whatever. And then, then he hosts a runoff.

He's like, well, there's so many close demands. And so we're going to drop the third one. This is not a thing that the president decides. I'm like, nobody fucking cares. This is not what we're asking for. of science. It just refers to a type of computer science. And so I think he ended up with superior intelligence. Yeah. No, super intelligence. I'm sorry by us. Oh, ladies and gentlemen, live from LS now, we are reporting that super intelligence has won the poll. And this is actually,

by the way, a White House account poll, not the Trump poll, I guess. And it is going to be called super intelligence from this point forward. Oh my God. I'm hearing right now that the data center issue is switched to being 9010 in favor. Yeah, super centers. No, no, it's super these data super centers. Who's flipped the public. Okay. Dude, wait, speaking of fleeting public, if you pull up this thing from Bollymarket,

I thought it's interesting that in Texas, which we talked about a couple weeks ago, James Tala Rico is the Democratic senatorial candidate who is considered probably, you know, at least when we mention it, like probably they'll still lose. It is Texas. It's really, really, really hard to flip Texas.

I was thinking this when you were talking about Abbott, which is I know this. is that Abbott is plus seven on Paxton for Republicans, which means like if you're a Republican voter in Texas, you are more likely to vote Abbott and not vote. Got it. So Republicans who are down with Abbott are not down with Paxton. And so if you're telling me that it's that close with Abbott's race,

then that is a really good sign for Talleyco. Yeah. Because Paxon has just been, I mean, this is prediction markets. Tala Rico is basically about a week ago. If you're seeing the audio, or excuse me, if you're looking at the video, if you're seeing the audio, over the past, you know, nine months or whatever it's been, the, the odds have gotten closer and closer and closer between these two. And then for the last like month or two, it's been even 50-50. And then the last week, it's suddenly jumped where Tala RICO is up.

It's 62% odds to win. And it's like changing rapidly. So, of course, this is just, this is a prediction market. This is not the truth. However, it really, at the very least, there's immense pressure on the Texan politicians right now. And it would be crazy. I think it's this, this, I mean, gas prices, not even just diesel, have been rising like 30 cents a day. Like it's in some places.

And in Texas, they've broken, you know, four and a half dollars, which is unheard of in Texas. And diesel prices are seven, eight bucks. And so I literally think it's like, it is the most obvious thing to point to be like, ah, fuck this, I'm done. I think for a lot of people. I saw a post from, um, he's a guy that he's, he's, county Republican manager or something. I wish I could fucking show you this article. And he was like, yeah, dude, I've been,

I've been trying to get people to come door knock and do these impersonal things. Oh, I saw that. Yeah, the vibes are just atrocious. You can't get people to show up. Everybody's just pissed at the Republican Party. And then if you pull this up, Perry, this is a fundraiser by George W. Bush and John Corner

to raise for Republican senators, and they left out one person, which is John Paxton. I'm sorry, Ken Paxton, sorry, Ken Paxton. They left out Paxson. They're literally, they don't like him so much. They are fundraising for every senator. Other people in their own state. So it's like, Paxon is like, he's like the, I can't imagine a weaker candidate. He may still win, he may edge it out. But my God, they, like his own teammates don't like him, let alone. I know somebody thinks different. Pull that polymarket back up, Perry. Who? Okay. Okay, so on this page, I didn't know this. but you can see in the comments what people think about these. And there's a guy who says, thank you for the free money leftist losers. And he put money onto Ken Paxton.

And then someone replied to and said, you have an all-time loss of $462. And I was like, wait, you can see people's betting history? And so I clicked on this guy who has a Timo profile picture from League of Legends. And you can just look at his activity

and this dude just bombs. And it's so funny that you can go look at person to just be like, you're a fucking idiot. That is funny. You can't go talk shit for Ken Paxon. So anyway, we definitely have some people who disagree and are very confident on the Paxon train, dog. This is funny.

This would be the best way of stopping people from getting addicted. I wish you had to display this above your head like a floating logo. He lost $34 on who would be the next Pope. What the fuck is this guy doing? Will Finland win Eurovision. He lost 50 bucks.

Jesus Christ, man. Go I just love that people think they have fucking an edge on all these world events. They're going to drop. Like if you interview that call, you leave the comment, it's like, you leftist think that Finland won't win the Eurovision? Oh, anyway, fun stuff happening in Texas. The only thing I know about our final story is that the title is 9 p.m. 9 p.m.

Doug, I've had one main theme. One great golden nugget of truth come out of all my time in this podcast. and I've reiterated over and over and over. And it's been, it's the thing that'll outlast, it'll be my legacy. It'll outlast me. It is the greatest thing I've left on this planet earth. You know what it is?

Is it the daily scroll? It's the daily scroll. By the way, you're the left, you've left it in the sense that you've set it at a podcast a couple times. And I've bequeathed it upon the earth. It is my lasting legacy and memory. Not the children I may want to have my wife. It'll be.

And not doing it. We should be clear. Not making it. But just saying it occasionally. brought it into the earth. I've spoken it into the ether and guess what? As of today, I was tagged in this a bunch of times. This is from a guy named Fred

who has created a new app called 9 p.m. What do you think the main conceit of 9 p.m.? Based on how excited you are, I'm going to assume that there's a single hour from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m. where you can use social media. Holy! Yes! You upload only at 9. PM and it shows people what happened during your day and everyone checks in at 9 p.m.

And they see you at 9 p.m. This is not quite what I want yet, but we're getting almost assuredly. Inexorably, the world turns towards the Daily Scroll. And I consider in smugly smile because eventually we'll get there. I know that we're on the path. So what is this missing in your eyes to become the Daily Scroll? Oh, I think this one is too much about things you have to, it's about telling you what happened during your day. It's like he sees it as like it's a recap of your day. Like like a gladitorial like

political debate happening. Oh, I just wanted to be social media. Like we, I'm not trying to like fucking turn this into what was that app where you took one photo a day that everyone did for like a, um, oh yeah, yeah. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah. It's a gimmick. It's a gimmick. This is a gimmick. The Daily Scroll is not a gimmick. The Daily Scroll is not a gimmick. It is us collectively regaining our time by compressing social media into a single hour of the day. And And we're getting there, and I'm just going to keep you updated on the inevitable battle. Okay, I'm looking at the tides of history. I'm surfing them, like surfing Pikachu, and we are eventually going to get there.

And I just want you to know that. In your design document, is there any concern for somebody who's busy during that hour? You know, like they have, that's when they're, in a commute. Number one, do not use words like design document or anything that applies that I have to do the work. I'm not creating the daily school. I'm speaking into existence. I'm a prophet, okay? I'm not building the church.

Secondly, no. I don't think about the problems. Those are just for fucking operators to solve. You're an ideas guy. You're an ideas guy. And the greatest idea that I've ever bequeath is a daily scroll. And I hope,

I hope to God that my children will live in a world where they can scroll for one hour a day. For one hour like this, surfing Pikachu, who has 50 HP. It's funny because my first instinct upon seeing this ad was realizing like, people would still spend a lot of time on social media prepping for the one hour.

Getting all their content ready. People work in factories all day long to produce content for the scroll. There will be a whole black market, dude. Like, who can get in on the daily scroll and get the most viral posts in the first five minutes? Is everything deleted after an hour? Can you look at it after an hour? You're buying questions, Doug. Okay, okay.

These are the type of questions you ask when you're like sold in the general idea and you just want to figure out the nuances. And I agree. Well, we'll solve those problems when we come to them. And just to be clear, is it possible? and I'm this is maybe crazy that you could just maybe put restrictions on your phone to not allow you on social media during those other hours. And I don't think they've worked, Doug. And I think it needs to be societal. You're saying is there it should have all the functionality of a social media website.

They just don't allow users for 23 hours a day. That is correct. And it becomes a social event. Do you know, I'll give you an example here. We're going to end on this. We'd remember when Netflix came out with House of Cards. Yeah. With your favorite actor Kevin Spacey.

Yeah. No, I say that. And they introduced the concept of binging. And they released all the episodes at once. And it was this fucking thing. And everyone was like, holy shit, this is the only way to view it. And then for a while,

everyone was like, oh, we gotta make the season drop all at once, binging. And then over time, all the streaming services have reinvented the weekly drop from first principles because they realize people like the idea of having a moment where it comes out and we talk about it, we post about it.

And now most shows have reverted to doing, including Netflix, one drop a week or whatever for a series. And people, People like the social event, Doug. They like the fucking time-gated thing. And I think eventually we will realize that putting social media into that will be the best form for us as communities.

Do we ramp them up or do we just cut them off cold turkey? Like all the social media addicts. Do we just one day turn on? I would rip the band-a-off and let the world fucking turn into. I think all the world government's rolling out one night in secret. And it just everybody wakes up and their phone goes, can't access. Once we're the only media company that's allowed into the White House,

we whisper it to Trump. Imagine new executive order. The thing is, okay, wait, would you be okay with it? Yeah. Is if he announced from today on truth social is the daily scroll. I will only tweet from 9 p.m. to 10 p.m.

And nobody on my website can tweet it any other time. I mean, it would be a real step in the right. Finally, my three votes for him would mean something. Yeah. Chat, that was chat. Chat, chat, thanks for watching. you're watching.

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