Life Kit - A step-by-step guide to planting an edible garden this spring
Episode Date: April 21, 2020Transform your outdoor space into a fruit and vegetable garden. Find out which plants to grow, what kind of soil you'll need and whether to start from seeds or transplants.Learn more about sponsor mes...sage choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoicesNPR Privacy Policy
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though the other reason he's digging,
we are testing drainage.
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like it does at a sandy beach,
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And gardening is great for your health, too, according to Dr. Rupa Maria.
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Tip number one, create a vision. Before you turn into Johnny Appleseed, think about the space you're cultivating. Is it a yard, a rooftop, a windowsill,
a fire escape? How much sunlight does it get? Take a look at models like yours. Don't Google
Hawaii dream garden if you're in Minnesota. Also, talk to the neighbors about what grows well in
your hardiness zone. We'll explain what that means in a moment. Dr. Maria is my neighbor in Oakland,
California. She's an internal medicine specialist at UCSF in San Francisco. At work, she's trying
to get personal protective equipment to hospital staff. At home, she's gardening. She got her start
dating a farmer. I fell in love with him when he went, like the moment he told me on our first date how brussels sprouts
grew maria is in her yard sitting beside benjamin farr who's now her husband we're safely distant
chatting on zoom brussels sprouts are delicate responsive to temperature a cold snap will
sweeten the sugars and when he told me that i was I fell so madly in love with him because... Great pickup line. Their backyard is the mother of all vision ports.
They've got avocados, tomatoes, potatoes, lemons, oranges, figs, apples, chives, garlic, berries, and a lot of greens.
Mesclun, arugula, lettuce.
Basically everything you find in the produce aisle, and then some. What you can grow
depends on what hardiness zone you're in, meaning the chill, how cold it gets in your area.
So the colder it gets, the hardier the zone. I think one is like Arctic. And 13 is like near
the equator. It's not a perfect guide.
If you're in the Northeast, it won't help you factor in how frost affects your veggies.
But it's a great general guide.
The USDA has a map of these zones.
You can just plug in your zip code.
We'll link to it in our episode page.
My zone is 10.
I can, in theory, grow everything my neighbors are growing, though I doubt I could actually pull that off.
Maria says start small.
People can make a chia pet and pour water on a head and make it grow.
You can grow arugula in your house and have delicious, rich, yummy, fresh arugula and you will feel so good about yourself.
That, by the way, can grow on a windowsill too.
Be courageous. Try it. If it doesn't work, try it at least three times.
And if that doesn't work, marry a farmer.
Before you go looking for your own farmer, let's talk to this one.
Yeah. Well, there's the perennials and the annuals.
Tip number two, make sure you're working with healthy soil.
Ben Farr is a professional landscaper, and what he's learned over the years is this.
Once you create the conditions conducive for life to grow, it grows.
They don't need us to grow. We just need to set up the stage.
Set the stage with soil.
Healthy soil is full of microorganisms, fungus, worms.
Plant roots are able to penetrate because it's the right texture and structure.
First, texture.
Soil texture depends on how much clay, sand, and silt is in the ground.
Any soil is a combination of those three things.
And the most ideal soil is the one that is right is a combination of those three things. And the most ideal soil is
the one that is right in the middle of those three, which is a sandy clay loam. This is true
on average, though what exactly a plant wants can vary. Carrots and beets want more sandy soil,
so their roots can penetrate easier. Tomatoes want more clay for water retention. Now on to structure. How the particles
are grouped together. Are they porous or cemented into an impenetrable layer? Soil with the exact
same texture can have totally different structure. The ideal structure is granular or crumbly. You
can get that structure by buying soil in bags at the hardware store.
You can compost at home. We have a Great Life Kid episode on that. You can also churn your soil using a rake or tiller, though you don't want to churn at the wrong time, like right after a heavy
rainfall. If the soil is too wet, when you churn it, it clumps. And then that locks. And then when it dries out,
it remains in these like basically balls of clay. That clumping can set your garden back for years.
And therefore it doesn't allow for air to penetrate in and it will be harder for roots
to penetrate that soil. There's also pH level, how acidic the soil is. The ideal soil is between
six and seven and a half pH. If your plant starts to brown, you might need to add a soil is. The ideal soil is between 6 and 7.5 pH. If your plant starts to brown, you might need
to add a soil conditioner to amend the acidity. Your local master gardener program can point you
to labs if you want to put your soil in a Ziploc bag and send it off for highly accurate testing.
A big issue many people have is lead. It gets into the soil lots of ways.
Paint dripping from houses, old pipes, other debris.
Farr says do not stress.
You can still grow fruits and vegetables.
There's some things in the soil that can be transferred in the plant itself.
So then when you eat that plant, it's in the cellular structure of the plant.
Yeah.
And lead isn't one of them.
It only becomes a poisonous as a physical property.
So if you have lead in your soil and that soil dries out and starts blowing
and you then eat that soil, that's where you're getting the lead.
You're eating the soil part of it.
For the most part, plants do not absorb lead into their tissues,
but it gets on their skin.
This is one reason it's important to wash all
your veggies, even organic veggies from a farmer's market. You want to make sure there's no trace of
soil residue. On to tip three, plant seeds or if that's too hard, get transplants. I want herbs
and vegetables. Chives, parsley, and cilantro are not fussy,
so I'll plant them as seeds. But basil and tomato, those need more attention, so I'm going another
route. Farr says in general, a seed is like an infant. It needs tons of care, and not everyone
knows how to get it to survive. Starter plants or transplants are much easier. Those are the plants
you'll see growing in small pots, maybe a few inches high. They still need your love. They still
need your care and stuff, but you know, they're not gonna, they're not gonna fall down and kill
themselves. Okay, that's great. One other downside to seeds, they're less predictable. It's hard to
know how many of them will actually sprout.
If too many end up sprouting, they'll overcrowd, compete with each other to survive. So you may
need to thin them out, meaning throw away. Farr has a corner of his urban farm dedicated to growing
amaranth, mustard, and edible chrysanthemum starts. These are all like little starts here.
Oh my god. That, you know, this is
like lettuce starts that we transplant. Thousands, you know. Thousands. He gives them away to new
gardeners like me. You can also purchase them at your local nursery. Some hardware and grocery
chains carry them too. Once we have these seeds and transplants, where do we plant them? Tip number four, make containers or raised
beds. Yolanda Burrell runs Pollinate Farm and Garden, a nursery just a few blocks away,
though right now we are safely distant, talking on Zoom as well. Yolanda, I sent you
a sketch, mostly with measurements and a couple of ideas
about what to do with it. And I also sent you a couple of photographs so you could see sort of
where the sun rises, where it sets, what it's hitting along the way.
Right.
What are your initial impressions of my space?
It's a typical city backyard. It's got some hardscaping in it, but it has a lot of sunny,
sunny space. And it also has lots of potential for growing. I've got a junkyard backyard.
You might have a balcony. Whatever the scale of the project, she recommends wooden boxes.
In your schematic, you want to do a couple of longer boxes along
the fence for your herb garden. Plain whitewood like the pine they sell at Home Depot is not
ideal. It will last probably for three years or so but then it's going to start to break down.
Ideally you would make them out of cedar or redwood but that's very very expensive.
That's not in my budget. Another
source of durable wood, one that's totally free, is pallets. Pallets like they use in shipping,
is that right? Like the sort of multiple wooden slats held together in a sort of long fin. Yeah,
yeah. Usually they're 48 by 48, and they're fairly standard size. Pallets are built to not break apart, but with a saw,
hammer, and pry bar, you can grab the slats and repurpose them. If you look on Craigslist or
pass by grocery stores, there are lots and lots of pallets lying around. Ideally, you want the
ones that are stamped with the letters HT for heat treated. That's more rot resistant.
You can build the pallets any dimension.
I need mine to be long, like 20 feet,
but narrow, say a foot and a half.
Another consideration is depth.
Burrell says the containers should be anywhere
from six to 18 inches, depending on what you grow.
Lettuces can go be fine in like a six inch deep box because
the roots aren't that deep. But if you wanted to grow something like, you know, broccoli or
greens, leafy, other leafy greens besides lettuces and herbs, I would go a little bit deeper.
And with tomatoes, if you wanted to grow tomatoes,
I would recommend a minimum of 18 inches because those roots tend to go fairly deep.
You can also make what's called raised beds. You do that in one of two ways.
Build a box that you put on top of your soil, or don't even use a box grab a shovel the benefits of raised
beds are that that soil is not stepped on so it stays nice and fluffy you're
not disrupting the microorganisms that are hard at work a great way to elevate
your raised bed is put a layer of stones beneath the soil if you're working with
a smaller space make containers out of everyday
items like wooden wine boxes, old pots, and dresser drawers, so long as you drill a hole in the bottom
and don't let any paint touch the soil. Also, crates. Milk crates are perfect. They have so
many holes in them. Yes, it's got holes in them, but it makes it perfect for growing mushrooms and potatoes and just about anything.
Fun fact about mushrooms, you can grow them under your kitchen sink. The internet sells
these starter kits. You basically take mushroom spawn, mix it with food like straw or millet,
put it in a plastic bag, which you puncture with scissors and...
Check in a week or so for colonization. What
you're going to see is that the inside of the bag is going to start turning white.
When the bag turns fully white, tiny mushrooms will begin to emerge from the slits,
and you can start to harvest. Mind blown. Most plants cannot grow in darkness, which brings us to our final tip.
Tip five, use sunlight intentionally. Burrell has a really simple rule of thumb here.
If you pick the fruit off of the plant, then it needs more sun. If you're just eating the leaves, then you need less sun. So tomatoes need
sun to ripen. Squash needs sun to ripen. Cucumbers need sun to ripen. Leafy greens, not so much. You
know, you're not eating the fruit. You're not eating the flower. So it just needs a minimal of four four hours of sun a day. Also the smaller the fruit the less sun
it needs. So when customers come to the shop and say I just can't grow tomatoes I just you know
I've got this big tree I say okay grow sun-gold tomatoes. And don't try growing a big beefsteak
tomato which needs lots of light. There's not a super general rule of thumb for water.
Seed packets and the labels on starts will typically tell you.
Yolanda Burrell is the reason my nephew was digging holes in the yard to test drainage.
You don't want your trees to have wet feet. It's called wet feet.
That's cute.
Turns out we have great drainage.
The five-gallon hole is actually filled
with water, drained in 12 hours. We decide we want to plant trees. He and I drive to Pollinate,
Burrell's nursery, to pick up our young trees. Hi. We want citrus, but we're not sure which one.
What's the most likely to thrive and not be killed by us?
Meyers are just, they grow so well. Meyer Lemon, quintessentially Northern California.
She's off mic because we're standing away from her. She's been scheduling curbside pickups one by one. No walk-ins allowed. My nephew buys blueberries for his protein shakes and the
prices have been going up. He eyes a blueberry tree.
Yeah?
Let's do that.
Are they like the same kind and require the same amount of maintenance?
Yeah, the same kind of thing with blueberries is that they want acidic soil.
So you'd have to get like an acidifier or fertilizer that acidifies the soil.
Never mind. Too much work for us.
Back home, Akshay plants our very first trees.
We have the Meyer lemon, as well as apple, apricot, and fig. Are you excited? When they
grow, yeah, I'll be super excited. I can build a treehouse finally. Not for the fruit?
Not really. That I can get off Costco.
Nephews.
Well, I am excited for the both of us.
This project is sweet victory.
So to recap.
Tip one. Develop a vision using models in your hardiness zone.
Tip two, use soil that is healthy.
Tip three, transplants can be easier to grow than seeds.
Tip four, containers and raised beds are our friends.
Tip five, the bigger the fruit, the more sunlight it needs.
And if you get all or most of this, maybe you can be the next Yolanda or Ben.
Yeah, so you can take these off.
They're good in salads, but they're actually better just sauteed a little bit.
So you take these with kale or with dandelion greens or something and just like saute them up.
And they're so good.
They have a very, it's a very different, I mean, it's really good.
It's like sweet, but not bitter, not bitter at all.
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This episode was produced by Audrey Nguyen. Megan Cain is the managing producer.
Beth Donovan is the senior editor.
Our digital editor is Beck Harlan, and our editorial assistant is Claire Schneider.
And special thanks to our friends at Pollinate Farm and Garden for keeping your doors open at this time.
I'm Arati Shahani. Thanks for listening.
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